Cincy 360 w/ Tony Pike & Austin Elmore -- 4/28/25

Tony and Austin breakdown the Bengals draft, the Reds sweep, take your calls and TalkBacks and more on ESPN 1530!

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 3 (00:21):
Good afternoon, Happy Monday.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
Welcome into the latest edition of Cincy three sixty on
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about today. With your talkback, we'll get to those an
hour two Best talk Back of the Week voted at
the end of the week, we'll win a Cincy Shirts
gift card. I say there's a lot to talk about,
because there is. From a sports standpoint, FC Cincinnati winners
over the weekend and one of the finest goals you'll
ever see on the pitch from FC Cincinnati, who wins

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their fifth consecutive match we'll talk a little bit about
that today. The Cincinnati Reds have won four straight baseball games.
They're fifteen and thirteen now, just a game and a
half back in the NL Central with the Saint Louis
Cardinals coming into town. And of course, we have an

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NFL draft to talk about. An NFL draft full of
shocking surprises, one of the most I think insane drafts
to follow along from a media coverage standpoint because of
the Chador Sanders side of things. I listened to Kyle
Brandt earlier today talk about the lack of coverage around

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cam Ward, who went number one overall, the top quarterback,
taking the number one overall picking the draft barely talked
about this weekend because of so much going to Shador Sanders.
We will recap the NFL Draft and so much more.
But before we get into any of that, Austin, how
was your weekend? Let's start with that a weekend review.
How was your weekend?

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Uh? It was? It was fine? Thanks, enjoyed it? Yeah?
What fun? Why are you out? Mondays? We just need
to start recapping what happened over the weekend. Okay, all right,
what do you do? Do you have any fun? Uh? Yeah,
I had some fun, hung out with some friends. Nice.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
I went out to a local establishment, watched a little
bit of the Reds, watched a little bit of the draft.
Fun a little bonfire Saturday, smoked a cigar. I actually
threw the baseball around me in My roommate tossed the ball.
We had a game of catch, as they like to say.
On Sunday. That was lovely. Went to church, I hosted

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the Extra inning show. Yeah, I'm sorry, I was unprepared
for this.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
You just gotta be nice. I watched a lot of draft. Yeah,
to be honest, watched a lot of the draft coverage.
All that exciting, It wasn't really you know what.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
And actually last night, after I finished up with the
Extra Inding show, I said, you know what, I need
some ice cream, And so I took a trip down
to Hyde Park, not too far from where I'm at.
And it was a beautiful Sunday night down there at
Hyde Park. I posted videos a man out there playing
some music. He was lovely, and he had treats for

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the dogs, and it was just very very high vibes.
Nice good vibes. And maybe even that's connected to Auhanio Suarez.
Good jobs, only and his four home run performance over
the weekend. I don't know, not sure if they're connected
or not, but it is something that you have to
consider at this point. So yeah, I mean that that

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was it. I'm sorry if that's not enough, I don't know.
I don't know, But tell me about your week.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
I had a chance Saturday to take the family down
to their first f c Cinsnatimunted Tequel Stadium.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Not just their first first. Yes, I've never been to
the stadium before. It is awesome.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Not a bad seat in the place. We had no
idea where to park. We find parking, and granted we
didn't take our youngest, but we took Wilder and Wesley
and finally we find this parking lot. We were the
last car that was allowed in the lot because it
was full. It was like twenty steps to the front entrance.
Oh really, of like the backside of the stadium. I
had no idea how we came upon it. Parking was fantastic,

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The seats were awesome. The environment is so cool down there.
From a match standpoint with the Bailey NonStop, and to
see them win their fifth in a row and to
see them do it in the way that they did.
I believe a bicycle kick is what it's called. Yeah,
a bicycle kick. There's only one of the finest. You'll see.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
There's only one complaint I have usually about FC games,
and it's the parking. Oh but I've never thought about
parking on the other side of the stadium.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
We always think of the GPS. Yeah, that's interesting. And
then bo where we were.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
What we normally do is we'll park like over an
OTRK garages. Yeah, stop, you know, And then she just
kind of that was not in the card name. Well
you Uh.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yesterday, my my, my grass at home is dead. It's dying.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
I tried to like plant grass seed yesterday, tried to
kill a bunch of weeds. That didn't work.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
We Uh.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
I got to give a shout out here though, to
the UH. The Ohio thunder yesterday went to UH went
to a a softball tournament yesterday. My wife's sister has
a daughter who was celebrating her eleventh birthday yesterday. Shout
out to Rowan Woodell, who not only celebrated her birthday,
but she UH. She tossed a complete game, twelve strikeouts
in the win, and the UH the Ohio Thunder. They

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went on to win the tournament yesterday, so they are
tournament champions. Had to give them a shout out. What
a way to celebrate your birthday if you're rowing pitch
a scoreless game. Then she came back in the next
game and pitched as well, got out of a bases loaded,
no outs jam with straight outs, so she dominated yesterday.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
I have a lot of respect for that, because after
thirty minutes of throwing the baseball God's tossterday, I think
I have to go on the DL with or the
IO with shoulder impingement.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I was talking to my wife on the way home.
I was not familiar and now I don't think I'm
ready for competitive sports and the days and seemingly some
of the parents. Nothing was high intensity from the start.
I feel bad for the umpires. I feel bad for
the coaches of some of these teams, but it was.

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There were some tense moments on the diamond yesterday and
I just kind of soaked it in and said, I'm
not ready for this at all.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yeah, listen, I'll tell you what, man, there is nothing
worse than sports parents.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh my gosh, it's hard.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, And we sat like a way's back with Mayor's family,
and that's the right way to do it. Just separate
yourself away from it, because there's some that this team
that they were playing, man, they they had some interesting,
interesting parents that were yelling and maybe saying some interesting things.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, you can tell you know the best thing about that.
You beat them and then they can't say anything true.
So shout out to that yesterday. Now we do have
more to talk about. We've got an NFL draft to
talk about. We've got the Reds weekend to talk about
before we dive into that. As we just kind of
bounce around the sports world and everything that did happen

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over the weekend, we would be remissed. Awesome not to
mention what I thought was another and has been a
great NBA playoffs up to this point. The weekend was
awesome from a playoff standpoint. Celtics gotta win on Friday,
but they lost their down three to one. They lost
last night.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Bucks beat the Pacers on Friday, but they lost last
night and also lost Damian Lidlard to an achilles injury.
You hate to see that for Damian Lillard. And then Friday,
the Timberwolves won and then they came back yesterday and
they outscored the Lakers thirty two to nineteen, and the
fourth quarter Lebron Austin scoreless. In the fourth quarter. Minnesota

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comes all the way back behind forty three points from
Anthony Edwards, and they beat the Lakers and go up
three to one in that series, one sixteen to one.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Thirteen, Lebron James, not my goat, No.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Not after that, not after that heater up the Caves
are up three to zero on the heat thunder finished
off the Grizzlies. Nuggets came back on an unbelievable buzzer beater.
I don't think you'll ever see a closer buzzer beater
than what you saw in that game, Aaron Gordon dunking
the ball with literally point one seconds on the clock
as it goes through the net to win that game.
Warriors and Steph Curry, who was phenomenal, beat the Rockets

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to take a series lead in that And how about
most New York Knicks. Little controversy yesterday, little controversy around
the finish of that game in Detroit, But the Knicks
win the game.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
And take there. It is a three to one series lead.
There it is.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
You're up to speed on the NBA playoffs. Calves Heat,
Calves look to close out the heat tonight Rockets Warriors
Game four in Golden State tonight. That is upcoming. From
an NF or NBA standpoint, let's talk a little bit
about the NFL Draft, And obviously we're gonna spend time
here Austin on the Cincinnati Bengals. We'll do that much

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of our number one. But from a draft standpoint, it
was just it was weird. The amount of time and
attention spent not just Thursday night, but Friday and Saturday
on Shador Sanders. The coverage was awkward at times. I
felt bad for others that were being picked throughout the

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day because their moment that they had worked all their
life for, that they had poured in blood, sweat, tears, coaches,
the parents, the athletes, their moment was diminished by the
fact that they kind of just got announced as their pick,
and then it went back to Shador and what's going on.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
I can say this and I will. I'm not gonna
dive deep into There is not collusion and there's not
conspiracy in the NFL. This wasn't a targeted attack that
all NFL teams got together and said, let's do this
to Shador Sanders because NFL teams, the moment they have
a chance to be successful, the moment they can see wins,

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they're going to draft that player no one loved in
this draft. I heard Kyle Brandt talking about love today.
No one loved Shador Sanders enough. And if you just
kind of like someone, is it worth the baggage that
accompanies that player as well?

Speaker 3 (10:27):
To me?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
The answers though, and I think you saw that over
the weekend. Shador Sanders Austin, though he does join what
some are saying elite company as the next wave of
teams drafting two quarterbacks in the same draft. You go
back to the years and years. I go back to
just twenty ten. I kind of started there where Jimmy

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Clauson and myself were taken in the sixth round by
the Carolina Panthers Andrew Lord Chell. No Jimmy was taken
in the second Andrew Luck and Chandler Harness. Everyone remembers
that draft for Indy Robert Griffin the third and Kirk Cousins,
Kenny Pickett and Drake Maye, Joe Milton. So Shador Sanders
just becomes the latest on a very special list of

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players that are drafted twice. Two quarterbacks, one draft, one team.
But no, it was to me, what.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Can I put my opinion in on this number one?

Speaker 5 (11:21):
I don't care about the idea that you know players
lost out on their moment. It was rounds five through seven.
Those players rarely get any time spent on this.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
There. Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
But the second it was the biggest story in sports,
and with that comes conversation around it. We've never seen
a slide like that. We'd never seen a guy where
so many people and experts had him as a player
ranked in their top fifty, top twenty, and in some
cases their number one player fall the way that he fell,

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And so it became a bigger and bigger story. And
the job of the draft on television is not to
make people feel good about getting drafted. There are elements
to that. The job is to tell the story of
the NFL draft, and that was a huge part of it.
A guy in Shaudor Sanders, the son of a Hall

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of Fame player who love it or not, like it
or not, has been at the forefront of conversation in
this league and in sports across the United States for
the last couple of years. So I don't buy the
whole deal that, you know, people had their moment taken
from them. Their names were still shown on the screen,
their highlights were still shown.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
No one talked about cam Ward this weekend.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
I don't know if that's necessarily true. I mean I
heard enough. I heard a couple of people say, isn't
it funny how cam has not been talked about as much?
And then they would kind of go back to that.
I think part of that, though, is because the Tennessee
Titans are the most boring team in the NFL. They
are one of the most irrelevant franchises in sports, and
that I think is a big reason why, but also

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the nature of the beast that has been created. And yeah,
should he have gotten more attention? Absolutely, I liked what
the Titans have done. Do you believe there was conspiracy? No,
I don't. Sanders.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Do you believe that there was was something at play
that that team's headed out for Shador.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Sanders, No, I don't.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
I do think there was some of that because I
think there was a little bit of trying to teach
him and Deanna Lesson in humility which they have never had.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
If you believe that he could help your team, no
one cares about teaching a lesson, You're gonna take him.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
I also don't think that the Browns wanted to draft him.
I think that was a Jimmy has somebody was being
held hostage in that warrld. I do not think that
Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski wanted the mess that is
Shador Sanders.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Can we shout out real quick in that quarterback room
of Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel and
now Shador Sanders.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Is so the other thing, you know, teams don't collude together.
They won't come up with some idea to bubbah ridiculum. Basically,
it come down to that. It came down to this
NFL t teams looked at his tape and it was
like this guy, you know, didn't have I think it
was Dan Orlovsky that said you have to throw away
seventy five percent of his snaps because of how bad
his offensive line was. Well, it was the offensive line

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passes five yards within the line of scrimmage, So you
have an offensive line that's not very good. You don't
throw the ball deep down the field, and when you do,
you're throwing it to a Heisman Trophy winner and the
guy who's the number two pick in the draft. So
because of this, teams are like, Okay, I'm not getting
a really good read on who this player is. And
their tape is showing some things, but maybe not enough.

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And so you get down to it. You want to
go find out everything you can about this guy. You
want to interview him. He's a bad interview. You look
at the the entourage and the posse and the attention
and all the stuff that's not football related, and teams
look at him and say, this is a backup quarterback.
We don't want the backup quarterback to have more attention
than the starting quarterback. We don't want any sort of

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circus around a player that may not be a starting player,
or a guy that is letting his play outweigh all
the other attention. Saw this with Cam Newton, saw this
with Tim Tebow, saw this with Colin Kaepernick. It's happened before.
It was fascinating, though, and it was good for business.
NFL ratings up, NFL Draft viewership ratings up forty on

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Day three.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
The prank call. I thought it was lame. That's a
tough man. I thought it was lame.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
But I don't feel sorry for shud Or Sanders. He
is an arrogant, cocky person who deserved to get humbled,
and I had no problem with seeing that.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Reports came out about some of his pre draft meetings
where he would have headphones on the music was playing
while he was meeting with teams, where he would show
up with an entourage.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
There's there's a lot of misinformation out there. I don't
know how much of it I trust, Yeah, but I
I don't believe Combine in the way he talked to Yeah,
I don't believe he was a guy who was taking
those visits seriously. I think he thought it was all
just setting stone. I'm gonna be a tough five pick.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
The rest of the draft as it proceeded over the weekend,
we'll dive into today, especially in the AFC and the
AFC North. We'll dive into each one of the Cincinnati
Bengals picks. We'll talk about some grades for the Bengals
that that they receive. The Bengals for what it's worth,
Trey Hendrickson is still with the team. Jermaine Proud is
still with the team. They made no moves during the
draft to acquire extra picks. They obviously made no moves

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or from a trade standpoint, they have six draft picks.
They used all six draft picks. We'll talk about those
picks as we go into hour one and recap everything
that the Cincinnati Bengals did. And now that we're at
the next point in the offseason, let's kind of look
at at from a whole now, free agency, the draft,
where does this roster stand. We'll dive into all of
that today. Of course, of course, Major League Baseball a

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red sweep that we'll get to an hour number three.
The Saint Louis Cardinals come into town starting tonight. So
much to get to along with your phone calls, your
opinions of what happened in the draft, your grades for
the Cincinnati Bengals, the Cincinnati Reds, and so much more.
Five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. This is
Sincy three sixty, which, by the way, Austin here in

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segment number one, as we looked around the top sports
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Speaker 3 (17:29):
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Speaker 5 (17:29):
It's pretty simple. How do you feel about the Bengals draft?
Do you love it? Do you hate it? Are you
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thirty one percent say solid, and four point eight percent
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Speaker 4 (18:00):
We'll dive into more of that when we returned to
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Speaker 1 (18:09):
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Speaker 3 (18:16):
Be by Hayes.

Speaker 6 (18:17):
That's a shot by noelbe Marte on the first pitch
into the left center field gap.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
It's gonna be extra basis, here's come Hayes.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
He's being waved around the relay throw in is gonna
be a play at the plate, but not in time,
nearly in time to get Hayes's These scampers across standing up,
scoring from first base on a stand up double in
the left.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Center gap by noelbe Marte.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
A ringing double from Marte. There he went down to
get that pitch. It looked like it was down a
little bit, but he got the barrel to it, but
a really nice swing on it, just shot it right
into the left center field gap, split the outfielders, perfectly.
Nice piece of hitting once again for noelbe Marte.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, I'm gonna tell you what, we gotta have a
Nolva Marte conversation later in the show.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Today.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Might have got it wrong with nuolve Marte. How about
the production And again we'll dive into this as we go.
Twelve games apiece for Noulve Marte and Austin Hayes. Austin
Hayes hitting three eighty eight with five home runs and
Nouove Marte now hitting three sixty four on the season,
four doubles. Already player that I think a lot of
folks wrote off for the Cincinnati Reds. But uh, we'll

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talk more about that in hour three, I want to
dive in a little bit to a conversation around the draft.
Before we do that, we'll grab a phone call Mike.
What's going on?

Speaker 8 (19:40):
Hey, guys, thanks so much for taking me up the
lead offs on the leadoffs, But yes, sir, I I'm
just passing on judgment on all these guys, even Shandor.

Speaker 9 (19:52):
I don't know really what's going on. I don't care. Really,
it doesn't have any bearing on my life. So it's
a guy, you know, I don't care because it's turning
into a JFK conspiracy. Now, you know, they'll be yeah,
that's gotten a little while.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
I think that was my biggest takeaway. You know, it's
going to be seen and he's going to be given
an opportunity to be successful or not. But when it
started to become a conspiracy, or when it started to
become the collusion, that's where I have a problem. Because
these NFL teams they have to win, and they're not
going to all collude together and say, well, let's not
draft a person. If you think that the player can

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help you win, you're going to draft that person. I
just thought when it slid into conspiracy, that's where I kind.

Speaker 10 (20:34):
Of drew the line on it, and that was pretty
It's actually laughable after I don't really thought about it, right, really,
it doesn't have any bearing on my life, your life,
anybody exactly.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
Okay, this draft, all right? My my source of judgment
on the draft is TFF, just like I think they're
the most subjective or objective source to to rate this
stuff because we count them all year long, the great players,
so and we seem to put credence in their opinions.

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So they give the Bengals to C. I give them
a D. Did you notice that several times when the
Bengals pick was coming up, they happened to go to
a commercial that was ironic. Could have been coincidental, but
it did happen on several occasions. So my three favorite
gms that I tell well, the Central Division they gave
Baltimore B plus, Pittsburgh a B plus, the Browns of

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C plus and UH, and then the Bengals to C.
I'm giving them a deep h on my limited knowledge.
But but my three favorite gms pulled through again. So
Howie Rosemans they give them an A.

Speaker 11 (21:41):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (21:41):
The other dude less Snead from the Rams B plus
and uh and Jason White from Tampa B plus. The
move the Rams made was brilliant knowing the next year's
quarterback rich compared to this year, they get Orlando's, Atlanta's
probably gonna have a ten talk pick. They pulled usual
no show for the year. So I thought those were

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brilliant moves made by the guys who make brilliant moves
all the time. It's becoming, you know, an every year
thing basically. So. But you know, the Cardinals got the
only eight plus rating by PFF the Cardinals, and the
two worst ratings the TFF game were to the Vikings
and to the forty nine ers.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yeah, I think the forty nine ers had a couple
reaches in theirs. I just I think for the Bengals,
and we'll dive into it more and more. But it
felt like if there was ever a time to go
away from how they normally handle things in the draft,
this was going to be the year because of what
they had done with T Higgins and Jamar Chase, and

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it felt like they still fell into that hole, Well,
we need this position versus the best player available, And
I think when you look at how the draft unfolded,
it hurt them. I wonder because you would think that
the teams you mentioned, Yes, Howie Roseman is hitting home runs?
What Sneat is doing the bucks? There are certain teams
that year in and year out draft remarkably, and I

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wonder if if other teams are trying to emulate that.
I wonder if it's hard because of how the scouting
departments run and what they put into analytics versus everything else.
But it's year in and year out. We have the
same conversations the mondays after the draft. It feels like
the handful of teams that continue to succeed in the draft.
And I'll throw the Ravens in there as well, because
I thought the Ravens had a great draft. But it

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feels like we're talking about the same group of teams
that always knock it out of the park, and then
another group of teams that just it feels like a miss.
And unfortunately, here we are. And I think that's gonna
be my biggest takeaway.

Speaker 8 (23:39):
And I'm tired of this thing about, well, we really
have a propensity that we like to take captains. I
don't care if the guy's a captain, I mean that
means he's responsible and everything. That's great, but you're gonna
base your decision on whether he was.

Speaker 12 (23:51):
A captain or not.

Speaker 8 (23:53):
I mean to help. I don't get that part at all.
And the character thing, forget that. But you know, Philadelphia
even five passed the character thing, like with Carter last year.
They'll go ahead and take to you Hog Campbell and
we hope the hell that shoulders fine, but we're going
to roll the dice.

Speaker 10 (24:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I just when you look at how the Bengals drafted
and immediately going to linebacker, I'm wondering if the medical
evaluation that they had on Car that they had on
Campbell was different, because if you're addressing the need for linebacker,
you had a chance to address that need with your
first pick. And they take more of a project than
Shamar Stewart, which obviously we talked about on Friday, and

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we'll dive into more. But there's a lot of questions
that I think need to be answered between now and
the start of the season. Still here for the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 8 (24:37):
I appreciate the time, fellas, enjoy it. I'm really loving
this show, so thank you.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
So we appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, I just we'll dive in next segment, we'll dive
into the picks and overall view because we just got
a minute or so here. Awesome, but let me just read.
Let me read a couple of draft grades that the
Bengals received. Mel Kiper gave the Bengals. That was the
lowest grade on his board. Now, for what it's worth,
mel Kiper gave the Browns an A plus. So take

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with that what you want.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
I'm just glad he had time to see through his
tears to actually ride a grade for some other teams
besides the Browns. Yes, which you know, the Browns are
the only A plus because they took his Knight in
Shining Armor, shod or Sanders.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
But he did talk. He said Knight was ranked eighty
second on his board. He went forty ninth, Fairchild was
one to ten when eighty first felt like a couple
of reaches. I think consents wise, and we'll get to it.
A lot of people like Tos Brooks, the late round
pick that the Bengals got out of Texas Tech, NFL
dot Com B minus for the Bengals, Nate Davis at

(25:41):
USA Today, c CBS Sports C The Associated Press B minus,
pff C, Yahoo Sports, C Sports illustrated D minus for
the Bengals, saying it's tough to understand what the Bengals
were doing in the draft, glaring defensive needs on the
line in the second mary, somehow they didn't take a
corner or safety at any point while selecting multiple guards.

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Bengals also took a linebacker, a Knight, who is twenty
five years old after playing six years in college across
three programs. Despite not wanting to buy into Trey Hendrickson,
the values were largely poor and the talents don't have
high ceilings. Let's stick with that theme when we come back.
Let's give our grade when we return Austin. Let's dive

(26:26):
into these picks individually that the Cincinnati Bengals made over
the course of the weekend at Cincy three to sixty
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Speaker 3 (26:35):
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Speaker 5 (26:36):
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shirts gift card. All right, Austin, you and I we
spent time on Friday talking about Shamar Stewart. So let's
pick up where we left off. As this draft is
related to the Cincinnati Bengals Round two, forty ninth overall
pick Demetrius Knight, linebacker out of South Carolina. Now they

(27:20):
take linebacker when there were still opportunities on the board
to address safety, to address guard from some players that
we have talked highly about going in, and instead it
becomes Detrius Knight, junior, twenty five years old for South Carolina. Obviously,
the need to acquire a linebacker outweighed the other position

(27:42):
needs that the Cincinnati Bengals had at the point. Knight
had played at Georgia Tech Charlotte South Carolina. This, obviously,
with the contract status of Jermaine Pratt, you can see
why linebacker made sense. It also believes that Night can
come in and compete right away for a starting job.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
On this team.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Bengals defensive coordinator Al Golden said he waited for the
previous seventeen picks to tick off the board so the
Bengals could draft Night. He said, was very good at
his Pro day and was the MVP for one of
the best defenses in the country. Liked his background, ability
to become an immediate captain at South Carolina, but most importantly,
the versatility to be either on or off the ball.
Linebacker defensive end in certain fronts. Had one of the

(28:27):
second longest wingspans of anyone at the combine as well.
Here's my overall thought. I love the emotion when Night
got drafted. I love his makeup, his DNA. If you
follow along with a lot of draft outlets, they viewed
Knight as a third or fourth round selection. To me,

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it says that the Bengals obviously wanted to address need
at linebacker. I still go back to the night before
because joh Hot Campbell was there. If your need at
linebacker was that great, you could have taken Campbell and
then you would have slid in in round two and
giving yourself an opportunity to address DN because there were
still plenty of names on the board. Guard, still plenty
of names on the board. Safety, still plenty of names

(29:10):
on the board. I don't think it's a terrible pick.
I just think by the needs and the other players
that were out there, based on what they did in
round one, they felt kind of pigeonholed into doin this.
To me, it was okay, nothing great about the pick.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
And round two, yeah, we know they drafted Stuart, but
they were trying to trade back in the first round,
and part of that may have been because of potential
linebackers that were available. But the reason they drafted him
is because he was a player that was grated higher
at a position of need, at a position that's more
valuable to them at that spot than linebackers. So that's

(29:44):
the reason for that. Now you move into round two
and the fact that they drafted a linebacker and Demetrius
Knight that most people would probably say they reached for.
I'm no draft expert. All I do is try to
aggregate what all the people are saying and try to
figure out what the general consensus and general opinion is

(30:06):
on a player. And most people thought that the Bengals
reached heavily for Demetrius Knight and to clarify, every pick
we talk about is nothing personal against them, No, it's
trying to figure out what the Bengals are thinking. And
so to me, this was the first indicator that they
are really trying to rebuild that position. You go back
to a year ago. We had a conversation with Charlie

(30:27):
Goldsmith prior to the season, and I said, Charlie, what
about linebacker.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
There's no depth there.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
If anybody gets hurt, Jermaine Pratt's going in the right direct,
in the wrong direction, and so on, and Charlie at
the time didn't really take it that seriously. We talked
to Charlie six weeks later and he said, you were
right about linebacker. Jermaine Pratt stunk. Logan Wilson got hurt.
He was playing good until he got hurt, and they
didn't have production beyond that. So the Bengals looked at
that and said, we have names where We've got bodies

(30:56):
on the defensive line, we've got bodies in the defensive secondary.
We don't have them at linebacker. They reached for a player,
but he's going to come in and start day one.
So if that's the case that I think has.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Value the Bengals then followed up in round three and
take what Dan Horde said on this show on Thursday
was the biggest need of this roster and they take
a guard in Dylan Fairchild. Now there are some that
say that's the wrong Georgia guard that was supposed to
be drafted. Mel Kiper had him won ten on his board.

(31:29):
He goes at number eighty one overall by a lot
of accounts. And again, as you mentioned, Austin, we're just
we're taking the sum of what everyone is saying and
try to formulate at least an idea of what the
consensus is. The consensus here, I thought, was the same,
a little bit of a reach, but a position of
so much need. And it starts the theme for me, Austin,

(31:51):
of we talk best player available versus biggest team need.
It certainly felt like they dove into that biggest team
need versus best player available. Fairchild is projected, I see,
by a lot of accounts to be a significant or
a quality backup. Although the Bengals said that he comes

(32:11):
in and Dan Pitcher said left guard is his to win,
So the Bengals think highly of Dylan Fairchild. The consensus
is it was a little bit of a reach, maybe
not a Day one starter. Again, it felt to me
like the right position of need, maybe the wrong time
in which they addressed it, And one of those picks

(32:33):
that I thought maybe they could have got around later.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, I disagree with that. I think this was a
good pick for the Bengals.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
I know that he might not be scored the way
some of those other players are, but this was one
of the best pass block offensive linemen in the SEC.
And yeah, he's playing with some good players next to him,
and Tate Raddig is a name that got a lot
of attention, But Dylan Fairchild was their pick for a reason.
And part of the reason why they didn't go with
the guard in the second round is because they thought

(32:58):
he would be there in the third. He's still really
young at twenty two years old, a little bit inexperienced,
so that's something that you're gonna have to work through.
But the guy is huge. He's six foot five, three
hundred pounds. He fits the part of what the Bengals want.
He's got in game experience at right guard. Most of
his starts in the SEC came at left guard. He's

(33:20):
still got some inexperience that he's gonna have to work through.
But you bring in a guy that's gonna come in
day one and start, and a guy who is synonymous
with the strike technique that the new offensive line coach
Scott Peters is teaching and trying to implement and knows
it well. I thought this was maybe their best pick altogether.
Was Dylan Fairchild.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I thought what they did in round four, I thought
they got a guy who can potentially be a dude
as we move on Barrett Carter to the linebacker out
at Clemson. Now, the surprise here was that they double
dipped on linebackers with two of their first four picks.
We talked about the need in the secondary safety corner
can maybe talk about interior defensive love. But it sets

(34:01):
up the Bengals for the future. They lose a Keeam
Davis Gaither, potentially they're gonna lose Jermaine Pratt they added
orin Burkes. They obviously make the draft pick with Knight.
Carter was an active pass defender, five or more pass
deflections in each of the last three seasons. You just
look at him and there are physical traits of plenty
for Carter. Now, Chad Ruyter NFL dot Com said that

(34:23):
Carter's a great player who will eventually start, but not
sure They were able to maximize the value by taking
linebackers with two of their first four picks. That was
the only surprise here to me. But I think Carter
at some point can be the better player out of
the two linebackers taken in this draft. I think he's
got an incredible upside. I love his athleticism, he can

(34:43):
get after the passer, but one of those coverage guys
as well. When you think of today's football, linebacker clearly
was a position that they desperately had to upgrade, and
I think this helped with their fourth round pick.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Yeah, and believe it or not, he actually had the
worst athletics scorer of any of the players that they draft,
which I found to be interesting because he is praised
for his ability to go sideline to sideline, his speed
sideline to sideline, specifically his ability in zone pass coverage
as a player that can be a threat there. You
look at the two backers they drafted, Demetrius Knight has

(35:15):
made in the mold of Jermaine Pratt. Barrett Carter has
made the mold of Logan Wilson, So that makes sense.
Those are two guys that were drafted and developed by
Al Golden and he's trying to do the same thing
with them. Carter is interesting, maybe a little bit further
behind Demetrius Knight, but the ability to go sideline to sideline,
the speed, the impact in the past game, I think

(35:38):
is going to be important because Demetrius Knight, that's one
of the things about him not great in man coverage, right,
not somebody you want to put on an island. May
be more used as a blitzer. Barrett Carter, I think,
is a little bit more of a rounded out skill set.
But again, they view linebacker now as in need because
of their shortcomings the past couple of years, because they're

(35:58):
gonna lose Pratt, because they already lost to Keem Davis Gaither,
because Logan Wilson's getting older and has suffered a couple
of injuries, it makes sense why they double up on
that position.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Round five offensive tackle Jalen Rivers out of Miami. I
think this was viewed across the board as a depth piece.
We've talked Auston about Orlando Brown Junior's contract looking into
now twenty twenty six. I believe that's what this is.
Twenty twenty six piece four offensive line under contract after

(36:27):
this upcoming season for the Cincinnati Bengals, and they did
do something. They paired Fairchild back with the Marius Mims.
Jalen Rivers was a teammate of Matt Lee at Miami.
But I think, simply put, this was a depth piece
from a draft selection for Jalen Rivers.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
I think the conversation was around whether or not he
can be a swing tackle, and most evaluators think he's
better at guard, but he does give them the option
to be a swing tackle. Guard now becomes one of
the most interesting positions on the roster because Cordell Volson
has gotten his player E value bonuses. He's going to
be making close to four million dollars a year, which

(37:03):
puts him as a prime cut candidate. When you sign
Lucas Patrick and you draft two guys that can play
guard as well, and also you give an extension to
Cody Ford, So how Cordell Volson responds is interesting. I
see Jalen Rivers as a potential Cordel Volson a guy
who shows up to training camp and they're like, oh, crap,

(37:23):
this dude can play guard. We need to put him
at guard, and maybe he wins a job. Maybe he's
better than Cody Ford, maybe he's better than Cordell Volson,
maybe he beats out Logan Lucas Patrick. I think there's
a high upside with the player like this, and you're
going to see that a lot with players in the
draft and especially later on a guy who's developing. But
I look at his size, which is just a ginormous

(37:45):
human being as they like. At six six three nineteen,
I saw this. I was reading about Jalen Rivers earlier.
He was three hundred and fifty seven pounds as a
freshman in high school and then he cut down to
three to twenty and has been at three twenty ever since.
So pretty impressive as far as that's concerned. I think
he can be a guard in this league. I don't

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know if he can be a tackle, but I think
it's a pick again that the Bengals are going to
try to develop with Scott Peters. Arguably, one of my
favorite picks that the Bengals made was their final pick
toz Brooks, the running back out of Texas Tech. Had
a chance to see him in person, Mel Kuiper said
it was his favorite Day three pick. I think he
comes into a crowded backfield.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Kiper said that, yeah, over over Shador. Wow, listen.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
I think they they made the addition with with Zach Moss,
which I think was a little bit surprising. They brought
back to a JP run and then they draft Toz Brooks.
Look back to back fifteen hundred yard seasons from a
rushing standpoint at Texas Tech, and I saw NFL's executives
were asked, who is the best pass blocking back in
the in the the NFL draft, and they said TOZ Brooks.

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So he helps you in the passing game. He's consistent,
He's a work course in college. So I don't know
how much you can use him, but I think he
gets snaps as a rookie. I think he is a legitimate,
legitimate running back. Two, he's Texas text all time leading
rusher twenty catchers or more each of the last three season.
I think he's a great fit in a pass heavy

(39:17):
offense in Cincinnati. I thought Brooks in the sixth was
one of my favorite picks at the Bengals made.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, a lot of people seem to really like this pick.
I think he's kind of made from the mold of
Samaj p Ryan. Samaj, we know, racked up the most
rushing yards of any player in the history of college football,
and TODs Brooks was up there as well. Over four
thousand rushing yards in his career, I think, the fourth
most in Big Twelfth history, behind guys like Cedric Benson

(39:43):
and Darren Sproles. Yeah, some pretty good running backs. So yeah,
I think he's the guy that you kind of want
attached at the hip of Samaj p Ryan as a capable,
a willing, an able pass blocker. I think it makes
a lot of sense for the Bengals. We knew they
needed to get that position short up and they did
with Texas Texts running back TOAs Brooks. I think he's

(40:04):
going to make the team, and I think it's more
than likely that that Zach Moss doesn't make the team
or perhaps starts the season on the pup. I don't know,
still trying to figure out the details on that neck injury.
But you feel better about that room now because of TODJ.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Brooks to some where the Bengals went obviously Shamar Stewart
in the first Demetrius Knight in the second, Dylan Fairchild,
Barrett Carter, Jalen Rivers TOAJ Brooks. That rounds out the
draft class for the Cincinnati Bengals mentioned. No trades, no
extra picks acquired, no corner, no safety drafted. We talked
about maybe they take a wide receiver, no tight end.

(40:38):
You see the positions of need and where they dove into.
No interior defensive lineman for the Cincinnati Bengals. They certainly
still have questions. I can talk myself into a lot
of these picks, but I don't feel like they're immediate
contributors at the level in which you're wanting to be
if you're talking about a Super Bowl. For that reason,

(41:00):
I'm in like the ce C minus range for this
draft of the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Where do you fall? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
I don't have a grade. I'm not I don't really
believe in that. But yeah, I don't believe in like
grading a draft on players. I've never played the National
Football League before, and I don't know how exactly the
Bengals plan to use them. I don't know exactly what
the development plan is going to be. Hard for me
to say I think just the feeling I get is man.

(41:27):
So I guess if you translate that to a grade,
that's what a C A C minus. I don't know,
it's just for the last few years, this is the
way I look at it. For the last few years,
I've complained about Frank Pollock, and I've complained about Marion Hobby,
and I've complained about you know, the assistant coaches.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Those two guys are now gone.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
Scott Peters takes the place of Frank Pollack and Jerry
Montgomery takes the place of Marion Hobby. So now it's
just like, Okay, now you have all these young players
for you to work with. Let's see how you can
develop them. And clearly the fingerprints of Al Golden are
all over this draft. The Bengals fired lou Anarumo because
of his inability to develop young players. They hired Al

(42:09):
Golden because he can do that. And now it's just
wait and see, can you actually do what you were
hired to do? Those three coaches, specifically Golden, Montgomery and Peters,
can you develop these young players into being actual weapons
for the Bengals. I'm fascinated to see what the plan
is to be able to get the most out of
these guys.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
For what it's worth.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
If Demetrius Knight Junior takes over for Jermaine Pratt, if
Dylan Fairchild takes over for Cordo Volson, and you cut
those two players. Ben Baby wrote about this, you can
save eight point nine million in additional cap space. That
gives you more financial flexibility. Maybe that pairs with what
you want to do with Trey Hendrickson currently parover thecap
dot Com. The Bengals have twenty three point three million

(42:50):
in cap space before they were or could make those
moves you mentioned maybe Zach Moss as well on that list,
but that's kind of where things stand now. Will take
a break, we'll come back. We'll fit sh hour with
a phone call when we get into our three uh
let's combine Austin free agency and the draft and where
this team stands going into the next phase of the offseason.
We'll also look around the AFC, the AFC North as

(43:12):
a draft hole and how those teams may have gotten
better or questions that they still have as well. All
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We'll get to our number two. Jeff is calling from Virginia.

Speaker 11 (44:31):
Hey Jeff, Happy Monday, gents.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Thank you. Jeff.

Speaker 11 (44:36):
Briefly on the parents and the coaching, Tony, the best
thing I ever heard in my life was my daughter's
freshman year lacrosse coach and meet the parent, Knight. He said,
nobody is allowed to question me about playing time. I'm
hard to say that right up front.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
You know you're not a.

Speaker 11 (44:49):
Practice every day. You don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
I will not.

Speaker 11 (44:53):
Take any questions about playing time from the parent. And
I was like, man, that guy's got it going on.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Definitely. Yeah, smart, but I hear you're on the rest of.

Speaker 11 (45:02):
It, definitely and basically on the draft. Check back with
me in three years, I would say, as it always goes,
have they earned the benefit of the doubt? Doesn't seem
like it, but let's let it play out. One of
the highlights for me was Joe walking through the locker
room with what looked like a bruski in his hand.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Man, I think Joe's enjoying it. By the way my
name's Joe is one of the most fantastic things you
can have.

Speaker 11 (45:27):
Same thing as at the Super Bowl when he walked
up to who was a Aaron, I'm Joe.

Speaker 10 (45:32):
Yeah so.

Speaker 11 (45:34):
And the thing that really bothers me, and this is
what happens when you draft thirty thirty one, thirty two
is Malachi Starks falling to the Ravens. That's that's the
benefit of sitting there later in the draft. Who knows
what the questions were about him, but and they got
Green in the second round. I just hope we are
not going to see the second coming at Ed Reid
sitting back there in about two years. So let's just

(45:58):
let it play out and see where it goes.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you for the call.

Speaker 11 (46:01):
Yep, have a good Monday, guys.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
You know, I think that the only thing is when
you say let's give it two or three years. I
don't think that was meant to be what this draft was.
I thought it was can they find players that can
immediately plug in and help this team that is deficient
in a lot of different areas. And I don't know
if that question has been asked now, Yes.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Well you can't evaluate any draft until two or three
years later, I think is the point.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
I mean, but if you're if you're saying today there
are players that have been slotted into start for their teams.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah, that will be starters. Yeah, but you can't evaluate
a draft today they haven't played.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
But you can evaluate the player that was taken versus
the needs and the players available around them.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
But like you can't give a full evaluation of a
draft until years down the road. Like I get what
you're saying, Like they they drafted guys that they need
to produce this year. That's been the case for the
last few years. Jerry still out on the year, on
the draft from a year ago. I think it's still
out on a couple of years ago. Still out on

(47:07):
daxx Hill, right, Like it's impossible to evaluate a draft
within two years. Now you can see very very quickly,
like Jackson Carmon, Yeah, that's always going to be an example.
Cedric o'boy, he always going to be an example, like
certain guys like that. And I think first round picks

(47:29):
play under a different set of rules. I think that's fair.
So like this year, we'll be learning a lot about
Shamar Stewart and like, Okay, can this guy actually be something?
I think it's a little more fair to evaluate first
round picks after a year as opposed to the entirety
of a draft.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Yeah, we'll look back at some of that. We'll look
at where this team stands now going forward into the
next phase of the offseason. We'll look around the rest
of the NFL draft as well. Our two is next.
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Speaker 4 (48:20):
All Right, welcome back, thanks to Cincy Shirts. This is
our two of Cincy three sixty. Let's keep going here,
Let's talk some Bengals. We'll talk NFL Draft as a whole,
just to kind of put into perspect what we finished
with about understanding when you can evaluate a draft class.
The twenty twenty one draft class, obviously was the draft
of Jamar Chase. After that, it was the disaster of Jackson, Carmen,

(48:41):
Joseph Osire. Are we saying the jury still out on
Joseph aside going into this year?

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah, I would say so.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Cam Sample, Tyler, Shelvin Deontay Smith, Evan McPherson, Trey Hill,
Chris Evans, Wyatt Hubert made up the twenty twenty one
NFL Draft for the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
God, we just mentioned Dax Hill safety to corner. What's
next for Dax Hill. Cam Taylor Britt was acquired in
twenty twenty two as well. Zach Carter, Cordell Volson. I
think the jury is in on Cordell, Volson, Tyson, Anderson
Jeff Gunter were signed and drafted in twenty a.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Pretty good draft class, to be honest.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
I mean, Zach Carter stunk, Butolson, Cordell Volson gave you
a really good rookie year, and I think is one
of the more interesting stories going into this year.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
How he.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Changes or doesn't change under Scott Peters, what he can
get out of him. Cam Taylor Britt, I think there's
still a lot of belief, a lot of faith in him,
especially going into this year. Same with Dax Hill, Tyson
Anderson has been an All Pro caliber special teams player
that's played a huge role in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Solid draft.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
I would say that the ability or the inability of
progression this year from Daxale and Cam Taylor BRIT's going
to say a lot about this team.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Obviously, they did not draft in the secondary. That's a
vote of confidence for the players that they already had
on the roster, including.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Didn't even sign a Udfay in secondary.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
Cam Taylor, Britt, Dax Hill, DJ Turner, Josh Newton, dj
Ivy amongst some that are in that dB room right now.
Twenty twenty three obviously was Miles Murphy, draft still is out,
DJ Turner, Jordan Battle, Charlie Jones, Chase Brown, Andre Yoshivosh,
Brad Robbins, and DJ Ivy.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
It's looking like a pretty good, pretty good class. And
in twenty twenty four, Mims, Chris Jenkins, Burton is a dud.
McKinley Jackson. I think those two a obviously, but they
didn't draft on the interior defensive line. Chris Jenkins and
McKinley Jackson, along with BJ Hill going to play a
big role in that Eric Hall is going to miss
the season. You got Josh Newton, Tamer mcgloften, Cedric Johnson,
and d Jon Anthony along with Matt Lee.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
Can I uh, can I read for you something that
Paul Dayner Junior wrote today about Jermaine Burton. Sure who
you called a dud just a moment ago?

Speaker 12 (50:56):
Dud?

Speaker 5 (50:58):
He said, Well, hanging out around the building this weekend,
I realized the storyline of last year's draft and season
has become a surprising note again. Jermaine Burton was in
the facility every day, including Saturday morning. He is trying
to get back on the right path and develop a routine.

(51:20):
Talks about how I had all the struggles last year
and the Bengals have kind of made it very clear
that he needs to change if he wants to stick around,
and that the Bengals didn't add a receiver in the
draft and didn't even add a veteran to compete with him.
The kickoff return job is still very open, and he

(51:40):
seemed to excel at that a year ago. So I
think it might say something that Jermaine Burton is still
around and the Bengals didn't draft one of those guys,
they didn't trade back obviously to get one of those
extra picks. They haven't added somebody in free agency. They
brought a couple UDFA guys, but I think that's notable. Yeah,
we haven't heard any thing from Jermaine Jermaine Burton, and

(52:02):
this is often the season where you hear about guys
getting in trumble. So I think you know, in fairness
to Jermaine, hopefully there's a corner that's been turned.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
There when you when you put together the free agency
period and the draft, two major hurdles in the NFL offseason.
Obviously you could still go out and sign free agents.
How do you view from a uh? I guess if
if you're looking at what the Bengals have done compared

(52:32):
to what they needed to do, compared to where the
rest of the AFC is, compared to being a a
competitor or a contender, how do you view the Bengals
now that the draft is over.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I don't know that I view them all that differently.
I think happened over the weekend that you would have
viewed them differently. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
I don't think so it's to me, it's all dependent
on the new coaches and the Bengals have basically said
that in every that they've done. Hey, new coaches are
gonna fix everything. Okay, well let's see. Like to me,
the biggest takeaway was that the Bengals believe that they're
gonna score a bunch of points and they're gonna take

(53:12):
away the run. And because of that, they're gonna move
these guys to the inside and get pass rush from
the inside with different packages. It includes Cam Sample and
includes Shamar Stewart playing on the inside. It concludes it
includes Trey Hendrickson and Miles Murphy and all those guys
being different playing all sorts of different positions in the
defensive line, that they're gonna force teams to pass only

(53:35):
and get into that mode where they have to play
catch up. And because of that, the defensive line will
become a strength because of their ability to rush the passer.
Because they're better against the run. I feel confident about that.
I thank Demetrius Knight. Against the run can have a
big impact. I think Orn Berks against the run can
have a big impact.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
TJ.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
Slayton another year of McKinley Jackson like all that. I think, Yeah,
they're better against the run. I think they're slightly better
rushing the passer, just in every on the surface on paper,
I guess you could say. So it's like, Okay, if
they are just marginally better, they get won two more
stops a game, if they don't fumble going into the
end zone against New England, if the you know, if

(54:17):
they catch the pass or the penalty is called in Baltimore.
To me, the draft and the way they approach free agency,
all of it culminating now as we get into offseason
workouts for the next couple of weeks before they get
the last month off. It is we don't think we're
that far away, and we blame last year on bad

(54:38):
luck and bad coaching, and it's been fixed and we're
gonna be better that right, wrong or indifferent. That's the
message I got from the Bengals from the end of
the season to now.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Yeah, I think for me, the overriding factor that I
have learned not based on just what they've said, by
the action that they've made. It's clear that this organization
behind the doors at pay Corps think they're better than
what the record showed last year. Otherwise you can't explain
some of the draft decisions. Otherwise you can't explain some

(55:11):
of the free agency decisions. They believe that with the
additions of new coaches and still having those young players,
and we've talked before about a new staff and new
coaches come in, there are guys that maybe feel like
it's a brand new opportunity that get a fresh start.
Maybe they were viewed for one other reason or another,
they were viewed a certain way from a previous regime,

(55:33):
previous coaches, and now they feel like they get a
breath of fresh air, and now they feel like they
get a new opportunity and a new scheme and new
coaching and a fresh set of eyes to maybe make
the most of that opportunity. Maybe it's a couple development
things that a previous staff was lacking. But the overriding
consensus that I've seen from the time the season ended

(55:54):
to right now, based on the moves they've made or
not made, is that the message being sent is that
they believe they are in a better place than what
a lot of folks believe they are. That the roster
as is is contending material. Now, whether we believe they're
competitive or contending or what, yet, they believe that they're

(56:15):
a roster to contend for a Super Bowl. That's everyone's goal.
It's how they've won. About assembling this roster that should
tell you they believe that they are contending with what
is in house. Shamar Stewart, is he gonna help every down?
Probably not. Is Night gonna be an every down player?

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Maybe.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
I don't know if these players slot in right away
or if they help in the future. But the moves
that have been made, like Austar, like you said, you know,
a pass interference call against the Chiefs, Tanner Hudson fumbling
going into the end zone against the Patriots, multiple ten
point leads in the second half blown against the Baltimore Ravens,

(56:56):
the Pittsburgh game where they couldn't stop Russell Wilson in
not off like they're There are so many examples of
games that were there for the taking. And then maybe
you lean back and you say, okay, look down the
rest of the way. Look at the stretch run of
the season. Gino Stone was playing better and getting more
production up front, Chris Jenkins is going to be a
good player. You start talking yourself into things, and I

(57:17):
wonder if the staff that is currently now assembled at
pay Corps has looked at that and checked over the
roster and said, we're not that far We're not that
far off.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
I think they have based on the actions that the
action they've taken, and you know, they've kind of said
that a couple of times. Duke Tobin has said that
a couple of times. I think it's conferred to the
bad luck of last season. Yeah, so I think that's
something that's top of mind for them. I really do
interesting to see what the final running back room looks like.

(57:47):
Samaj p Ryan was obviously brought in, they get back
Zach Moss, but then they draft Taj Brooks. I'm interested
to see how that in that room plays out. Jalen
River slots in as again a depth piece at tackle.
Is Dylan Fairchild You're starting left guard? I think that's
going to be an interesting conversation going forward. Lucas Patrick

(58:08):
is a backup quality type player at right guard. So
my guess on the starting lineup right now offensive line
would be Orlando Brown Junior, Dylan Fairchild, Ted Carris, Lucas
Patricktis forms. Yeah, okay, that would be my guess at
the moment. And then I think you would have to

(58:29):
watch the game from the Doakory deck. If I'm not mistaken,
you would have to watch the no no, no, no
no from Dockery deck.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
What was the agreement if.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Well, yeah, you need Patrick, you need Volson in four
to start, Yes, and you'll be if those two both
start on opening day.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I have to go to Tampa to watch the game. Perfect.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
They had Shamar Stewart on defense, interior, defensive line.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
The addition of t J. Slayton, along by the Kenley
Jackson Chris Jenkins completely unrelated. The Reds are five wins
away from you having to wear a wig. You're right,
four in a row. They gotta get six more. Yeah
that too, Yeah, ten in a round.

Speaker 14 (59:02):
Four.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
There you go. Yes, that is uh, that's kind of
where the roster currently is constructed. But if you look
at I can't believe you haven't brought up Jumoi Mays yet. Well,
you know, a bearcat, he'll probably slide in and take
Burton's place. You know, I will say this and and
we'll have to in in our three as well.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
We'll talk about the rest of the AFC because we've
had a Bengals conversation here. But I was surprised Luke
Candre won undrafted. Yeah, I was shocked by that. He
signs an undrafted as an undrafted free agent to the
Carolina Plant Panthers. A couple of the Bearcats were undrafted
as well. Corey Kiner notable from Cincinnati. Roger Bacon signed
as an undrafted free agent to the San Francisco forty

(59:45):
nine ers. But yeah, John Williams was the only draft pick.
He went to the Green Bay Packers. I was shocked.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
I thought middle rounds Luke Candra was gonna be a stud. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Same, So shocking to see there the bank. It had
just been a product of so many other good guards
this year. Yeah, to where teams wrong times, teams you know,
drafted him and they drafted them in the first you know,
three four rounds and we're addressing other spots.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Seth mcloughtin was brought in as an undrafted free agent
as the center from Ohio State as well. What was
your take on Seth McLaughlin.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Uh, he's a beast. Yeah, he's a beast. It sucks
his his injury last year. Achilles injury hurt them in
a lot of ways, but the way they reshuffled the
offensive line obviously led to them winning a National Championship.
But it's one of the best offensive linement in the country.
This is a Remington Award winner. He played at big programs,
played at Alabama, played Ohio State. If he's healthy, I

(01:00:42):
think he could be the heir apparent to Ted Carris.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
So we'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Okay, we have a better understanding of what the roster
looks like. We can dive into that as we head
into the future here, But for now, let's break. We
have talkbacks.

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is today's talkbacks.

Speaker 16 (01:02:26):
Happy Monday, everybody. Did anybody else enjoy the three day
email Kyper crash out party over Shader Sanders?

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
I mean, what a clown show that was.

Speaker 16 (01:02:34):
I thought all Hate was doing embarrassing wasself And to
say NFL has an evaluated quarterbacks right for the last
fifty years, well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Guess what, Mel, you haven't either.

Speaker 16 (01:02:42):
You said take Ryley over Peyton, Manny, that Jimmy Cousin
was going to be a bonafie stud and there's more
to ask that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
List as well.

Speaker 16 (01:02:49):
Glad at Red Lake's got the sweet Bengos draft.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I give it a C minus for now.

Speaker 17 (01:02:53):
Woday go Red There you go, Hank Scott from your
residence in the sky, all a great sports weekend. Red sweep,
the Rockies, FC Cincinnati victorious, and the Bengals, well, I
say I would give them a B minus for.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Their draft grades are rolling in.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Didn't mel Kuiper once say that he'd retire if Clawson
wasn't a successful quarterback? He said dumb stuff like that
over and over and over again. It was embarrassing for
mel Kuiper over the weekend, Like I it was, it
was hard to watch YEP.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Tony Austin.

Speaker 18 (01:03:33):
My favorite talkbacker next to SpongeBob and God is Jim.
He always starts out down here and has his talk progresses,
There's a crescendo, and then next thing you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Know, we're caught in a trap. Shit walk out.

Speaker 18 (01:03:51):
I love Jeff Hobson.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Then Ben May.

Speaker 18 (01:03:57):
Why cancers?

Speaker 8 (01:03:58):
Hold on?

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Come on? That's great?

Speaker 10 (01:04:05):
What up?

Speaker 19 (01:04:05):
Tony and Austin never properly introduced myself. So this is
Adam from Mount Adams calling.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
In Adam, Adam, I wanted to.

Speaker 19 (01:04:13):
Wish everybody a good week What a weekend for sports.
Got the sweep in Colorado much needed. What a weekend
for soccer Kevin and Cay spars arguably the goal of
the year. Wrexham get promoted for the third year in
a row, and Liverpool winning the title at home and
their fans singing will.

Speaker 17 (01:04:31):
Never Walk Alone was awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
Pretty cool. Have a good week everybody. Yeah, you get
to experience that personal. Yeah you want to talk about scenes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
What did you think? Atmosphere is crazy? Huh?

Speaker 20 (01:04:42):
It is?

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
And like I was worried with the kids that they
would just get bored, but like from the Bailey standpoint,
there's just always we were close enough you have you
could hear, and I mean there's enough going on. And
like Wilder was in Alle he's never been there obviously,
of like how far the goalies kicked the ball and
go kicks and then like three or four head balls

(01:05:05):
in a row. He thought that was the greatest thing ever.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
I tell people all the time, it is an entirely
different sport in person. Yeah, like it is sophys that
you don't catch. Yeah, it's so enjoyable to go and
especially if you ever get a chance to sit close,
you have a whole different respect.

Speaker 14 (01:05:23):
Tony Pike, Olson, l Moore, Mark from Florence make it
make sense. I saw Jedden Hurts throw a touchdown over
Jordan battles Head. I saw both Knicks throw a touchdown
over Geno's Stoneheads, and Xavier Watts was not drafted.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Make it make sense. He was drafted, just not by
the Bengals.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
I thought for sure they were going to get Zavier Watts.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
I know they were interested in Kevin Winston from the
Penn State safety but they weren't able to make that happen.
I think that they look at again to kind of
re pete what we said ago. They think that last
year was on bad coaching, and they're putting a lot
of stock into those last five games where they played better,

(01:06:07):
including Geno stone and so because of that different I
do think though, that that's a position where a veteran
could get added between now and and to start a
training camp with Justin Simmons type of player files.

Speaker 21 (01:06:24):
What I'm gonna tell you what, Well, this talk box
is presented by sense These shirts. I get all of
my Reds gear is Sensey shirts, and so should you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Boy, I'm gonna.

Speaker 10 (01:06:35):
Tell you what.

Speaker 21 (01:06:36):
Why to sweep over the Rockies, I gotta send a
public apology to Nick Holston. Hayes is just out there
killing it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Oh boy, I'm gonna tell you what else.

Speaker 21 (01:06:46):
Let's give these Cardinals a five knuckle introduction twenty twenty five, reds.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
Man and to beat these Cardinals like a drum. I
despise the Cardinals. All right, I'm trying to play one
here from Linda. Linda, seems like maybe your mic was muted.

Speaker 22 (01:07:07):
Sorry, Linda, Tony, Austin, George that red sweet boys, we're
going to do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Loose how sweep it is right, you have to.

Speaker 22 (01:07:17):
Let's get a big shout out to Will Howard and
Jack Sawyer.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
We didn't talk about this.

Speaker 22 (01:07:24):
Finally get some gold pants. Congratulations and boys. Austin nineteen
eight days.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, Austin, we didn't get a chance to talk about that.
Well days, What was your feeling on what the Steelers
were able to do?

Speaker 21 (01:07:39):
How dare you insinuate that there's not collusion against your
door again with these NFL owners, This is ridiculous. I mean,
he had he's legendary, He's got legendary and dollar signs
all over his draft room wall.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
I mean, if that doesn't tell you something about that
young man's character. Who cares if he doesn't show.

Speaker 23 (01:07:59):
Up prepare for meetings and he acts all cocky and
braggadocious and won't shake hands with plag I don't care.

Speaker 24 (01:08:05):
He earned that starting job at Colorado and he should
be the number one overall pit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Man braggadocius little double dip follow up.

Speaker 19 (01:08:13):
Now that I hear Tony attended his first FC game,
that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Welcome to the club.

Speaker 15 (01:08:17):
Than you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Thanks.

Speaker 19 (01:08:19):
Soccer captures civic pride and just a sense of community
uniting around teams like the scenes in Rexmen Liverpool this
weekend were just amazing. I think you guys do a
good job capturing that in this show. Thank you, Obias,
but I think you guys do it best and keep
up the good work. Go FCC, Go Reds, go Bangles.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Well, thank you, Thanks man. Appreciate the words.

Speaker 25 (01:08:43):
Shut the shit door. Prime time has turned into bedtime,
Good night. The draft is about talent, not your character,
like it's pro wrestling.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
Speaking of pro wrestling, can I have a get off
my lawn moment for a second?

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
Can we stop so many of the announcements of draft
picks into everybody trying to cut a wrestling promo. There
a lot of ww stars in attendance, not even that
it's just like if it's a former player, if it's
a fan of the year. If it's some international people,
they're doing it from somewhere else, Like, can we just say, hey,

(01:09:30):
you know, appreciate the booze from the crowd.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Whatever. Here, here's the pick. Do we have to do
this constantly?

Speaker 23 (01:09:39):
Hey, guys off, Hey, I was under the impression that
it was Sincy three sixty, not around the horn with
the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 23 (01:09:51):
Anyway, please tell me that side great call Audie on Sudore,
keep about the great work.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Thanks Ted.

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
I'm not even I do think we may have dabbled
on a little bit too much NBA camp the last
couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Our first segment.

Speaker 26 (01:10:09):
Stories behind selecting lower value in earlier rounds than the
higher value in the late rounds.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Best pick mayen of being.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Who gets paid for that? I don't know. It's not me,
we talk. I have to read it.

Speaker 26 (01:10:21):
We're all behind selecting lower value in earlier rounds than
not picking up higher value in the late rounds. Best
pick may end up being that center. But Gloflam from
Ohio State biggest question was the lack of draft room video,
though I'm guessing it was in Zach Taylor's garage and
Mike Brown was in an apron serving up cons maloney
sandwiches and playing grippos with some rc Cola Austin, you

(01:10:43):
sound completely different yesterday on seven hundred Wow radio than
you do on streaming fifteen thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Yeah, I was at my home studio yesterday. I listened
to it on the app and it sounded the same
to me on the app.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Hey, guys, Ken from.

Speaker 27 (01:11:01):
The next year. What's over? So you're stuck with me
again for a while. Anyway, We're heading to uh Italy
in a week and all half, so unbelievable. We won't
be checking up in much this tax dollars anyway. Thought
it about the Reds, even though they're beating bad teams
they're supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Uh just okay with the draft.

Speaker 27 (01:11:22):
I'm thinking some of the players that they drafted last
year can come through, so we'll see go big Blue.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
Kenn's a congressman spent some taxpair dollars to go gallavan
around Italy like Dan Snyder.

Speaker 28 (01:11:36):
Tony Austin's Jack and College Hill.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
All right, Jack.

Speaker 28 (01:11:39):
The conspiracies had me wondering what my favorite conspiracy is.
You know, there's all that stuff around. Zach Taylor never
run in the first two weeks. What's going on there?
Does Alex from Silverton wear inserts and is shoes to
look taller?

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
The one that keeps me up at night? Where was bawling?
Ain't easy? On January sixth?

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
Now, I this is good? This is you know, this
is I'll be honest here. I've thought about the lifts thing. Yeah, yeah,
I thought about Yeah, women don't like short kings. Okay,
I'm trying to settle down and start a family. There
are shoes out there that help.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
I know, I might have to.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Man, where was balling? On January sixth? Do you have
a favorite Internet conspiracy theory?

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Man, I don't know if I have a favorite. I
everything is a conspiracy theory to you. Mostly is I mean,
the whole alien thing, the UFO conspiracy is mine is
that Stevie Wonder is not blind. That's some of the
stuff that comes out about that. I don't even know
if that's a conspiracy anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
That might just be true. I don't even know if
that's a conspiracy. That's my favorite one.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
Although somehow I got looped into the The M three
seventy disappearance this morning. There's a show on that now yeah,
I've seen the show, but somehow on my feed this
morning there was a post and I was like, wait,
is this real? And then I was like trying to
double check. Is this just one of those crazy people
that believes you know crazy stuff? And I was that's

(01:13:10):
fun to get down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
I won't know if I should talk about this because
I went down a rabbit hole at one point about
the illuminatim and I'm pretty sure that the Illuminatis headquarters
of the Denver International Airport.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
And I'll just leave it at that. I've heard that before.
I can't say anything else. I've heard that before. I've
probably said too much.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Ray from Cleves. Hey, I wasn't going to call today because.

Speaker 29 (01:13:31):
I had been hearing all those bad ratings from all
those other rating services, bad grades the Bengals got. The
only people, the only person or group that says it
was good was the Bengals staff itself. Are they just
totally clue us or are they so much smarter than.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
The rest of us and we're just dumb? What is
your honest opinion of them?

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
I think, first of all, I just saw NFL Network
Chad Reuter gave him a B plus so not everybody
hates the draft. I think that this fan base is
exposed to more people and Bengals content creators than almost
any other fan base, and many of them are very

(01:14:22):
talented and very smart and very good at what they do.
And so because of that, we now viewed the lens
the draft through that lens that we think, Okay, well
here is my evaluation or this person's evaluation and that
person's evaluation, and the ability to have all of that

(01:14:42):
at your fingers finger parts, yeah, is going to affect
the way you view the draft and the players.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
Especially because you can't watch every single player. Yeah, so
you just go, I want everyone's saying about him, and
then you create that. The best way to do it
is to seriously look at everything imaginable, like see what
Joe Goodberry says, See what Dane Brugler says, See what
James Rapine says, see what mel Kiper says, and Todd
McShay and Daniel Jeremiah and all these other guys, because

(01:15:12):
you know, nobody's gonna come to a complete similar consensus.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Do you think there are you think there are mermaids mermaids? Yeah, No,
I don't think So what about Merman's probably not okay.

Speaker 30 (01:15:25):
Austin and Toni's Boomer drew from South Bend. Hey, I
thought the Bengals have an A plus for their draft.
I also think the Bengals had an F minus for
their draft. The bottom minus. Nobody knows good example here
and then who grades the greaters is nothing but a
serving moron A plus So you know, the only way

(01:15:46):
you're gonna know is in a couple of years. So
just to grade the past drafts and you get a
good idea. Thanks guys, thank you.

Speaker 31 (01:15:53):
Bumer there you go, Shadors and has phone the draft
because he's not that good playing sim Yes, and also,
you can't have the ego of iron Man and act
like iron Man when you have.

Speaker 32 (01:16:07):
The traits and play like group from Guardians of the Gallaxy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Oh man, I mean, it's just it's insane that they
ever had a first round talent great on him to
begin with.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
The only reason is because he's.

Speaker 32 (01:16:18):
Dion's son, and anybody being honest can see that, and
the and all the guys in the media now are
so scared to tell the truth because there's Dion's friends.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
I do think that there is an element of people
that are afraid of the wrath of Dion Sanders.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Yeah, I don't know that. I think they're that. I
do think that exists.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
It just him sliding and the the setup that he
headed his house on Thursday and Friday and what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
It just I don't feel bad for him. No, I
don't feel bad for him at all.

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
Just to clarify, Oh listen, I think the reports where
he made around six million last year. He's taking a
significant paycheck to go to the Browns. Yeah, I just
I also don't think the Browns wanted to draft him.
I can't get what the circus is going to be
in Cleveland. I wish we could force them onto hard knocks.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Oh my god, and one other things. Sorry, let's be
honest about this Bengals draft.

Speaker 18 (01:17:09):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
It was pretty bad.

Speaker 33 (01:17:11):
It was terrible.

Speaker 32 (01:17:12):
Almost every draft grade I've seen has had them in
the bottom five, if not the bottom three, and I've
seen multiple people have them as the absolute worst, the
worst draft of all the teams if any.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
If there was ever a year that they needed to
get it right, this was the year and they flunked it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
Again. I haven't seen a lot of that. I mean,
they're not ranked in the top ten or fifteen, for sure,
but I don't know a lot of people are ranking
them last right the last. I also don't know that
it's it's really possible to do that when every team
has a different set of needs. The thing we have

(01:17:48):
to remember about the Bengals is that they don't draft
the same way the best teams draft. You think about
Howie Roseman, you think about John Lynch, you think about
Brad and Gosh I just lost his name in Detroit
their GM. You think about those guys and those teams.
What they do is they address their needs in free

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agency and they get the best players available in the draft,
and that's how and they pay their young players early,
so they have a lot of flexibility. The Bengals don't
do that. They don't pay young players early, they don't
address enough needs in free agency, and so they're left
to try to get young, cheap players at positions of
need in the draft, and because of that they have failed,

(01:18:32):
because that is not a sound strategy, I will say,
so they don't have the benefit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Of the doubt.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
I will say I find myself at times during the
draft of seeing a player draft to do a team
and saying, man, that makes a ton of sense or man,
what a pick? And I don't find myself saying that
as much with the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Yeah, hey, guys, Jeff and you.

Speaker 34 (01:18:52):
Richard, are you trying to call in and get my
Bengals draft analysis got definitely underwhelming, especially the first round pick. Uh,
you don't get a guy that needs development. This guy
definitely does. Second and third round pick. Feel pretty good
about those fourth and fifth round I don't know what
we're doing. Jack Sawyer was available and the fourth we

(01:19:15):
passed on him. The sixth round pick, we get a
running back?

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Why man steal? Jeff said, why? I think running back
makes sense? What's up?

Speaker 35 (01:19:29):
Guys?

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Is big hend Come on ahead?

Speaker 35 (01:19:32):
What was the vision? What was shaping the defense? And
Al Golden's vision? Well, that answers the question right there.
In the draft, we got all Al Goldens type of players.
We got the players that he probably couldn't get when
he wanted to get him for Notre Dame. Those are
his type of linebackers and they look good. They look
like we got dogs. I know there's gonna be a

(01:19:56):
lot of top backs. Not sure if you're gonna play it,
but if you do Hey, oh, we're all draft great
and then the undrafted free agency got even that was
a super A plus man, the defensive tackles, the Ohio
State center, the court, the wide receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Bro we did real good.

Speaker 35 (01:20:15):
Overall draft was a nice A.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
Okay, see this is an example. One guy gives them
a D, one guy gives a C. Somebody's given him
an A. Everybody's got different thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Go ahead, big hand on the linebacker issue.

Speaker 27 (01:20:30):
Yeah, they needed an upgrade, but I think Al Golden
likes to have more linebackers on the field, so we
needed more linebackers.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
So that's just my two cents on that. Thank you
appreciate the input.

Speaker 36 (01:20:44):
This is DJ like what the future offense in the draft.
I think they got some guys that will help them
deal Jarrett. The most important person in the whole organization
el Junior besides Joe Burrow is Al Golden. I'm assuming
they got the guys in the draft that he wanted
to rebuild a defense, and they are assuming that the
previous draft choices from previous years he can coach them

(01:21:04):
up and develop them. So he needs to at least
get him to middle the pack for this team to compete.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
Okay, this is the other part that's funny about the
Bengals is you know, in a lot of draft rooms
across the league, coordinators are not in the room. No,
and they are in Cincinnati and they're a big part
of the process.

Speaker 37 (01:21:25):
Hey, guys, I know a lot of people have been
down on the draft, but I'm actually really excited good.
I think we did really well. It is by no
means sexy. Sexy drafts don't always win you Lombardi, and
I think a lot of these guys are going to
end up being solid, solid pieces.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Who day all right, need the sexiness? Who's bringing sexy back?

Speaker 38 (01:21:48):
Okay, let's dumb this down, like dumb it way down.
Given the opportunities the Bengals had at each draft pick,
are the Bengals better off today than they were last week?

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Yes, Yes, because at different positions they have upgraded. So
Cheddar Sanders is upset at being the sixth quarterback. Well,
Dan Marino was the sixth quarterback selected too. Maybe he'd
be drafted higher if he wasn't such a d bag.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
Oh my gosh, I believe people said that about Dan
Marino too. Gosh, use that term.

Speaker 39 (01:22:28):
How lucky are we as FC Cincinnati fans to witness
three of the most unbelievable goals you'll ever see in
your life, all three at TQL over the last three years.
Brial two years ago, in that tournament game off a corner,
did not even let the ball hit the ground, strikes
it in Luca Oreano MLS goal of the Year last year,

(01:22:48):
hits it from midfield. And then, of course Saturday, the
City right now with the bicycle kick, which was a
game winner.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Kevin de City like that man.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
First time talk back, Let's go the seventeenth annual Andy
Ram's a classic.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Yeah coming up.

Speaker 33 (01:23:09):
And in addition to the wig bet, I challenge Tony
Pike to wear his wig for the entire golf outing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
If the red hit the mark and he loses, that's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
The name on this talkboard talkback is Augie's shuffle Board.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
No idea, who that was? I played some shuffle board
with you and time.

Speaker 39 (01:23:39):
Because we have quarterbacks security, so even if we bomb
a draft or two, okay, we know Joe's going to
be here for the next several years, so we always
have a shot. We're not Browns fans, Giants fans employing
like four or five mid quarterbacks. We know who our
guy is and he's top of the line. And lastly,
we're very lucky because even though we lost a fair child.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
We just got a new fair child.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Let's go how about that? How about that?

Speaker 40 (01:24:07):
This is Paul from Price Hill. I think the Sanders
situation is pretty simple answer. I think that no team
saw him as a starting quarterback right away, and if
you draft someone in the first or second or even
third round expected to play right away, and I think
they see him as more of a project, and so

(01:24:28):
he didn't go to the fifth round.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
I think, yeah, I agree with you. Man. Is there
anything better than a clean sweep and a clean wipe?
Very few things?

Speaker 33 (01:24:42):
As Kevin here with ESPN Studios. Hey man, I'm just
wanting to let you know we're gonna bring you up.
We are gonna bring you to Sports Center. Yes, sir,
congratulations Sid You got to wait a little longer.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Yeah, I was gonna say. I was about I was
about to say, who greats the graders?

Speaker 10 (01:25:06):
I'll tell you what I do.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
I give it a ten. The consistency is perfect, the.

Speaker 11 (01:25:11):
Scoopability, the mouthfeel and the taste, the texture, all the
quality of ingredients it's a ten every time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
And I fund he said soft serve in there too.
They don't have soft served, Buddy, go to a local
creamy whip if you want soft serve or did he
say self serve? Oh it's good, well done. I'll tell
you what.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
Une man, double scoop in a dish black raspberry chip.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
They hated to see me coming yesterday. Man, I believe it.

Speaker 35 (01:25:43):
I'm all to do up.

Speaker 18 (01:25:44):
My favorite being.

Speaker 8 (01:25:47):
Is a lizard person.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Oh my gosh, can that is so spot on? Lizard man?
It is so spot on.

Speaker 18 (01:26:10):
I believe in a multitude of being. Stiff is a
lizard person.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Ten minutes underwater? He said, a multitude a lizard person.

Speaker 11 (01:26:25):
Tony another war jay looking for those warblers.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Bingles draft.

Speaker 8 (01:26:34):
I'd give it a.

Speaker 28 (01:26:37):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
You guys have another best day ever. Warverly Warbly.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Carmel at the load shooting, Hey fellows is Bryan?

Speaker 10 (01:26:51):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
What kind of defense does al? Golden run is at four?
Three or three four? I can't remember three. I guess
the Bangles getting a C plus, maybe a B minus.
Let's go score more than than the other team.

Speaker 5 (01:27:07):
It really is a simple game when you think about it.
Score more than them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
Yep, Hey Joe from Casey here.

Speaker 41 (01:27:13):
My biggest takeaway from the draft is all the draft
rooms shaking hands, huggings, high fives that happen once a
team makes a pick.

Speaker 14 (01:27:22):
What is that about?

Speaker 41 (01:27:24):
I mean, do you see any other workplace where you
just do your job and then get up, walk around
and give everybody a high five.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
I think it's weird. We do that every breakthday.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
I was gonna say it happens pretty frequently here. Every
break Austin and I meet in the hallway. We do
like after for every show, there's like a high five line.

Speaker 12 (01:27:41):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
It's like me and Tony and Moe and tarn You
like the Little League when they have that tunnel. Yeah,
it's like that. Everyone may make a tunnel. Let's keep
Dave the sheriff keating out of them.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
No such thing, Oh my god, no such thing. Golly,
that was our last one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
What a Monday. Bring in the A game on a Monday.
Lizard can't even do that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
We got an injury report to finish up hour two.
Well done today since he three sixty thanks to Cincy shirts,
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Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Y Cincinnati sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Okay, welcome back, since he three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty
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MLB baseball here and our number three. We'll talk to
League Baseball Baseball MLB, MLB. We'll talk more NFL draft

(01:28:55):
as well. It is time for today's postmal Law injury report,
delivered by post m Law Injury Postman delivers from a
Major League Baseball standpoint. Tyler Glass now exited the game yesterday.
You could see he went one inning right shoulder soreness,
second consecutive outing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
He's left early. Bad news for the Dodgers.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
Good news is that shoey O Tani threw thirty one
pitches in a bullpen session.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Okay, there you go. Kelaton Kershaw also rehab starting for
the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Speaker 5 (01:29:24):
Could you imagine show Hay on a rehab start like
a Triple A ballpark. No, wouldn't that be wild?

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
You let him hit two?

Speaker 27 (01:29:34):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
I wouldn't either. I think he's good. That'd be unfair.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
How about from a red standpoint, Wade Miley left his
second rehab start with dating in the first inning with
an undisclosed injury.

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
Yesterday, Jim Day said it was a lower body injury. Okay,
so that's good news. Something to watch for. Wayde Miley's only.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Ten Saturday, Tyler Stevenson was the DH and both ends
of the doubleheader for Triple A Louisville. He went one
for seven with a walk. Cees has been doing a
it's a big hole, it's a home run.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
He homered, he told by the way. He told the Reds.
He talked with the Reds yesterday morning, told him that
because of all the rain outs, he feels like he
needs a few more days. So I would assume we
would see him this weekend for the Naturals.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:30:16):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
Cees has been doing rotational exercises all right since receiving
his epidural and will be evaluated early in the week
to determine whether he'll need another epidural that According to
Gordon Wittmeyer, Ian Jabou has been placed on the fifteen
day injured list with right shoulder impingement. Anything else we're
missing from a red stand I don't believe, so then

(01:30:37):
that makes that today just report delivered by Postman Law
Injured Call eight four to four postman, I'm embarrassed how
much my elbow is sore after throwing the baseball yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
Really, I mean twenty twenty five minutes throwing the ball,
and like it's it's in a lot of pain. I
feel like you and twenty eleven. That ain't good, though
I know only one way to go from there, and
that is dying. Further, I also have so much respect
for Like I was thinking about when I was a kid,
like playing catch with my dad and how he would

(01:31:13):
just randomly throw balls left handed.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Yeah, now you know why.

Speaker 5 (01:31:17):
Yeah, And I just like now I understand why, And
like I was thinking about this a lot this weekend,
like the torment I put my father. He used to
sit on a bucket and wear a mask and catch
when I would pitch, And I was thinking about that,
like that sounds miserable.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
If I would bounce one to my dad, he'd be
so mad, But he wouldn't be as mad as if
when I threw the ball back to him, I threw
it like over his head or on the ground, like
that was his biggest thing. Like when you're throwing the
ball to me, throw it to me. Yeah, And now
it's one thing that Wilder does. It drives me nuts.
Like if I'm pitching to him, he just chucks the
ball like six feet over my head and I gotta
go chase it. And I'm like, listen, I'm gonna stop

(01:31:54):
pitching to you if you don't throw it to him.
We've gotta start getting accurate. It's a full circle moment
where I'm like, yep, now I know why he was
so pistol. This is the situation.

Speaker 5 (01:32:01):
This is coming for you soon. Yeah, I saw it
over the weekend. Wild Man's gonna be gassing you up.
How about this one other baseball note and then we'll
get to the next time you should buy some catcher's equipment.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
How about this?

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
Yeah, Yankees go all in on Devin Williams as their
closer in the off season, right, he has now been
removed from his role of closer.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
Yeah, he was getting boot at Yankee Stadium. He got
boot off the mound. He was a big reason why
they changed the facial hair policy too. How about in
his place Luky Dreams dream Who would have thought years
ago Luke Weaver Weaver would be replacing Devin Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
Man in his closer role. How's Fernando Cruz doing for them.
I don't know, it's a good question.

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
I know Jonathan India had two hits the other day yesterday,
and he's got his average up to like two oh seven.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
Man, Fernando Cruz is pitching well. He's got a one
point eight EER with two saves in thirteen games, fifteen innings,
pitch twenty three strikeouts for the Yankees. Okay, Fernando, Fernando's
pitching well for New York. Good for them, good for him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
By the way, Luke dream Weaver currently has a uh.
He's pitching twelve games, fourteen innings, zero point zero zero ERA. Oh,
that's pretty good for the dream I like that, Luke
dream Weaver. Red swap the Rockies. We'll talk about the Reds,
Major League Baseball, and a little more NFL and our

(01:33:29):
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Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
Welcome back since he three to sixty. ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to Penn Station. We'll get to
baseball in just a second. I found something very peculiar here, Austin.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
Look at this.

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
I was looking over the break. ESPN Cleveland shared via
DraftKings the odds for the Browns Week one starter.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
They are out now.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
You can't find these odds in Ohio because of player
props in different ways. You can bet you can only
find these bets in Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, d C, Illinois,
in a couple other places. So you can't get on
in Ohio right now and check these. But the odds
for the Browns Week one starter are out. Who do
you think is the odds on favorite to start for
the Browns Week one? Joel can He Pickett is the

(01:34:48):
odds on Week one starter. Shador Sanders is plus one
seventy five. He's the second favorite according to DraftKings sportsbook
that I mean, that can't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
I thought Flakka would be in line for the start maybe,
but he stunk last year. He was good two years
ago in Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
Okay, he stunk last year. Kenny Pickett stinks too well.
I know that he stinks out loud. See the Bengals
are like plus two twenty to win the North. Saw
that that's a sprinkle. What'd you make Let's just do
this because we can talk baseball the rest of the year.
What'd you make of the AFC North From a draft standpoint,
I thought especially the first two rounds for Baltimore home

(01:35:31):
runs with Malachi Starks and Mike Green, who we talked
a lot about. From a defensive end standpoint, I thought
the Ravens received rave reviews. From a draft standpoint, I
thought the Steelers did pretty well. I just think the
Browns are so far off it's hard to even tell
with them. But what did you make of the AFC North.
I'll be honest, I didn't pake too close attention to

(01:35:52):
the rest of the vision. What about the Steelers picking
up your buckets?

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
I saw him?

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
Excuse me, I saw the Steelers obviously. You know, I'm
a big fan of Will Howard and Jack Sawyer. And
you know I got some heat for what I said
over the weekend, which is the Bengals took another linebacker
and let Jack Sawyer get to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and
everybody want to call me an Ohio State homer, And
yes that's true. I am an Ohio State homer. But

(01:36:18):
I view Will Howard and Jack Sawyer similarly, and that
in the sense of like, it might not be that
they're really good this year, it might not be that
they're really good next year, but I see them as
as sending players that can make a difference. I see
Sawyer very similarly to Trey Henderson that in a couple
of years from now can be a really good player

(01:36:39):
and get a really nice payday and free agency, and
who knows what he turns into after that. Everybody wants
to call him Sam Hubbard. I don't know if he's
Sam Hubbard. I think he's better than Sam Hubbard. So
I was frustrated that I think a player that's going
to be good in the future went to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
That's how I feel about a lot of the guys.
I think Mike Green, so long as he doesn't get

(01:37:01):
in trouble, is going to be a really good player.
I think Malachi Starks is going to be a really
good player. I think the Browns dominated the draft. A
lot of people say that they dominated the draft so overall,
I think if you were to look at all the ratings,
the Bengals would come in fourth in the AFC North.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
A lot of people consensus wise liked what Kansas City, Baltimore,
and Buffalo did in the draft. I thought the Texans
were active in the draft. I thought they addressed a
lot of team needs. The Chargers in round one getting
amri On Hampton I thought was a great move because
I think he is a talented, talented running back that
can do a lot of damage for them.

Speaker 10 (01:37:39):
But it is.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
It's hard to tell.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
What do you make of cam Ward now that everything
is said and done, Can cam Woard be a successful
NFL starting quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
I just I know nothing about cam Ward. Truthfully, I
don't know anything about his game. I don't know anything
about game award.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Be interest to see how it plays out with with
Callahan and Tennessee, the Washington Commanders received a B plus
even though they only made five picks. I thought they
did make some good picks as well, showing up the future,
protecting Jade and Daniels all around. And I think the
I think that the Cowboys were okay. Tyler Booker in
the first Donovan Azeraku a guy that we talked about

(01:38:23):
a lot in the in the second round. Good to see.
But again, I think so much now as about what's next.
What are some of the biggest questions that are left
to be answered? As that pertains to the Cincinnati Bengals
kind of alluded to it earlier. Ben Baby wrote about this,
What does the draft mean now for Trey Hendrickson. They

(01:38:46):
didn't trade him. A couple of selections, could give Cincinnati
extra cap room that will help him, will help them
if they want to give Trey Hendrickson a long term deal.
That is obviously if you move on from Jermaine Proud
Court of Volston, you could save almost nine million dollars.
Do you think anything that happened over the weekend weighs
in good or bad on the future Troy Hendrickson?

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
It just gives the Bengals bore leverage. Yeah, yeah, I
mean I don't know that it's going to change much.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Finally, from an AFC North standpoint, outside of drafting, Will Howard,
do you think there's anything that has led Pittsburgh to
believe Aaron Rodgers gonna sign with the Steelers. They passed
on quarterbacks multiple times in the draft and and seem
to be content with where they are from a quarterback room.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
They're almost worse with quarterbacks in the Browns. It's awful.
So I don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:39:38):
If I were them, you know, anybody who trusts Aaron Rodgers,
you're playing with fire. So maybe they feel like they
didn't want to offend him by taking a quarterback early on.
Maybe they look at it and say there's a lot
better quarterbacks in next year's draft.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:56):
I have no idea. It feels like that's the only
possible landing spot for him. I will say it makes
the most sense because of their defense and just because
of their coach. So maybe I think it's a great
landing spot for Will Howard. I'll say that. I do
want to say, as well, did you see the storyline
around Derek Carmon and his mother?

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Yeah, that's really Derek Carmon.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
His mother had had a stroke and it essentially was
on life support, and he got drafted when immediately the
hospital was able to share the news with his mom,
who passed away shortly after that. So I can't even
imagine the range of emotions getting picked in the first
round and then going and dealing with that is is unbelievable,
but all the best for for Derek Carmon as well.

(01:40:42):
We have a call as it relates to the draft.
Chris is calling in. What's up, Chris?

Speaker 12 (01:40:47):
Hey, how are you guys? I'm doing good?

Speaker 35 (01:40:51):
Hey.

Speaker 12 (01:40:51):
I had a So I had seen on the draft
that a lot of guys got selected after the draft
was over, and I was kind of wondering, like for
people that may not know as along with myself, is
how does that? How does that work? How do you
how does that go? As far as like what team
you can get drafted to without being drafted? Basically, uh so.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
As soon as the draft ends, uh, the players that
weren't drafted are free to sign with NFL teams immediately.

Speaker 9 (01:41:22):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
Those teams can offer signing bonuses to the players, but
it it gives the power to the player. They can
be offered by multiple teams from a free agent standpoint,
and then the player can choose where they go. So
it's just free agency. Basically, it's free agency from a
draft standpoint. There there there are undrafted free agents obviously
that make the team. Vontes Berfect was an undrafted free
agent and had a great career. And you certainly see

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some some surprises. I can't remember the name that the
receiver out of Texas was a surprise not to get drafted.
Luke Candren's up going to the Carolina Panthers. But essentially,
if you don't get drafted, you can kind of weigh
your options, which some people would rather be undrafted than
get drafted, maybe in the seven and round, because you
can sit back and say, Okay, these are the teams
that are interested. This team gives me the best opportunity
going there and and start or make a roster spot.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
So that's how that works.

Speaker 12 (01:42:11):
Oh okay, and and they know who's interested in them,
like prior.

Speaker 10 (01:42:15):
To the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
I guess afterwards those teams will reach out to the
player the players agent and let it be known that
they're interested in getting.

Speaker 5 (01:42:22):
Yeah, they're working on that the entire draft, like telling
players that they're interested and trying to offer some contracts
and something happens throughout the draft.

Speaker 8 (01:42:30):
Oh okay, cool, thank you guys for your time.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
Yeah, sir, thanks Chris.

Speaker 5 (01:42:35):
I did see that the Bengals had a udfa make
the team last year, still on the team, Muma Jong Meta.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Yeah, so maybe they can find another one.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
I did see that dj ouh Angallei signed with the Chargers.
He got a three thousand dollars signing bonus by the Chargers.
But if he does make the team, he'll get an
eight hundred and forty thousand dollars base salary. I don't
think he's gonna the team, but yeah, there are multiple

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things that can happen. You can be obviously, each team
can reach out. Some teams offer a higher signing bonus,
other teams. There's more potential. Like I firmly I would
believe like a guy like Luke candor Austin would have
had multiple teams that wanted him to come in as
a free agent. If you're Luke Candrew, you then look
and say, okay, let me look at the old line rooms.
Where can I most compete for a job, Where can

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I most compete to make the active roster, so it
does give the player a little bit of power from
an undrafted side. I mentioned Corey Kiner is doing that
with the San Francisco forty nine ers as well. Let's
take our first break of the hour. When we come back,
let's switch gears. We have yet to talk about a
sweep for the Cincinnati Reds. We'll talk about how they
did it, what that means going forward, and more on
the Reds as they start a set against the Saint

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Louis Cardinals tonight at Great American Ballpark.

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about the Bengals, about the rest of the draft as
a whole. We have failed up to this point and
it will change now to talk about the second longest

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winning streak in Major League Baseball. It happens to be
right here in Cincinnati, the Cincinnati Reds.

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Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
Here we go, Red Legs winner's a four in a
row that includes a sweep of the Colorado Rockies. Let's
go through each game how it happened. It started on
Friday night, the Cincinnati Reds able to get a win
against a win against the Colorado Rockies eight to seven.

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They jumped up in this game, did the Cincinnati Reds
four to one? Noel Dee Marte got things going in
the first. He also got another RBI in the third,
and then a Spencer Steer two run home run in
the third, Yes that is Spencer Steer we're talking about.
A two run home run made it a four to
one game. The Rockies battle back in the third to
tie it off. Andrew Abbott, who went just four innings

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five run or five hits, four earn runs.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
He did walk five.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
Andrew Abbitt struggled with the the command against the Colorado Rockies.
He did strike out four. Kyle Friedland for the Rockies
gave up ten hits in four and a third six
earned runs, did strike out four. It became a bullpen
game after that. Reds jumped up to another six four lead.
Rockies tied it again until finally the Reds put two

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more across to make it eight six. A home run
in the bottom of the eighth was not enough. Reds
win it eight to seven. They did so and busted
out thirteen different hits on the afternoon. Ellie had two,
Hayes head two, Marte had three, Spencer Steer had the
home run, Espinal had three hits, and Blake Dunn had
two hits as well. From a pitching standpoint, we mentioned

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Ian Jabou. He did give up the runs and then
he went on the injured list with the shoulder impingement.
Graham Ashcraft ends up getting the win, Taylor Rogers, Tony
Santition got a hold, and Emelio Pagan got the save.
That's how the Reds won it on Friday night. Anything
else from Friday night that stood out to you other
than Austin that continued and this will be a theme,

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the continued emerging of what santi Noava Marte is right now?

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
Yeah, No, I mean Spencer Steer continues to look like himself.
Noel VI Marte has proven the Red right that Jamer
Candelario does not deserve at bats or opportunities at third base.
He's also kind of held off Santiago Espinal a little
bit and allows Gavin Lux to go dh, go outfield,
go second base if they need him. So yeah, the
story of the weekend is definitely Marte and to me,

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Spencer Steer continuing to look like himself.

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
Saturday saw again no Jaymer Candelario in the lineup. It
saw thirteen more hits for the Cincinnati Reds. Friedel had three,
Ellie Head two, Hayes head two, Gavin Lux had to,
Spencer Steer had two, Marte had another one along with
Jose Trevino. Austin Hayes homered. Marte homered. Austin Hayes had

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two home runs in the game. Ellie de la Cruz
had an RBI single. Spencer Steer had an RBI as well.
They got six across the board, and they held on
again despite a late run against Emilio Pagon. Hunter Green
went six, seven hits, three on runs, eight strikeouts. I
don't think, Austin it was Hunter Green's best, but it was.
It was a solid outing. I think from the Red's

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Ace is.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
A tough ballpark to throw.

Speaker 5 (01:48:04):
I mean, especially if you're you're struggling to get movement
on some of those pitches, which is what made Nick
Lodolo so impressive yesterday. And yeah, Green threw a couple
of pitches over the plate and the Rockies made him pay.
Just wasn't his sharpest and you know, it's just a
difficult place to pitch.

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
That gave them the opportunity to go for the sweep,
which they got yesterday. Austin, you just mentioned it a
player that had been not his best the last couple outings.
Nick Lodolo was everything you want him to be in
more yesterday. Seven innings, two hits, and how about the
strikeout numbers. They've been low all season, nine of them
compared to just one walk yesterday. Line Richardson did give

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up the only run of the game for the Cincinnati Reds.
Brent Souter pitched a perfect ninth seven innings of work
from Nick Lodolo. It was a game in which Jamer
Candelario did get the start. He did not record a hit.
He struck out twice. What about the series? Elie de
la Cruz had two more hits. Austin puts him at

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two seventy. Spencer Steer two more hits. He's all the
way up to one eighty eight. Austin Hayes is hitting
three eighty eight after a two hit day. Gavin Lux
three thirty three on the year. Noelve, Marte Man three
more hits, three more RBIs He's hitting three sixty four
on the season. Jose Travino is still above three hundred,
at three to twenty two. All in all, I thought,

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just a very workman like series against the Rockies and
good to see against a bad team. The Colorado Rockies
are four and twenty three. They're not surprising anybody, but
it's nice to see some consistency in the at bats.
The offense put together a couple of good games thirteen hits,
thirteen hits, fourteen hits over the weekend. That combines to
forty hits in the three game set for the Cincinnati Reds.

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Did you notice anything different about the approach from an
that bats standpoint, or just a team seeing the ball
a little bit better. Along with guys like Ellie Steer
and know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Marte, they seemed to be a little bit more focused.

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
I think, you know, you have to win those games
against those teams, and I think maybe playing in Colorado,
you get a little excited about what you might be
able to do at the plate because of the way
that ballpark works, the space, the thin air, you know,
I think quietly though, Ellie Daily Cruz is the longest
hit game hit streak, longest game hit streak of his career,

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over eleven games, been on base in sixteen consecutive games.
That's fantastic. Gavin Lux is right there with him. He's
got a hit streak of his own. So yeah, I mean,
you know, with Austin Hayes on Saturday and again yesterday,
they're just a different team when he's in the lineup
and being able to give Ellie more pitches to hit,

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and then Gavin Lux behind him, and then all of
a sudden, when Noel Vi Marte is behind Gavin Lux,
that changes the lineup as well, because now you're you
don't want to have to deal with him, So to me,
I think they've maybe found something here. A little bit
more concerning part continues to be Matt McClain. The lineup
is out for today. I was a little bit surprised

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to see him back in the two hole. Yeah, just
considering how much he's struggled to even make contact. The
strikeout numbers are just atrocious right now. But you know,
overall the fact that Marte is giving them the lift
he's giving them right now, they got to ride that
for as long as they can. Well, that's what I
wanted to follow up with. We've seen the struggles of
Matt McClain, We've documented very well the struggles this year

(01:51:30):
of Jamer Candelario. It does help and take a little
pressure off when Noelvee. Marte is playing at the level
in which he is. But you mentioned those strikeout numbers,
alarming number of strikeouts. We think Jamber's been bad and
he has struck out twenty nine times. Matt McClain has
struck out twenty seven times this year. How much is
this becoming more worrisome Because we talked about this probably

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two weeks ago Austin and said, let's just give him
some time. He's getting back into it. He's had seventy
at bats now to see those strikeout numbers and the
strugg was at the plate. Is there a level of
concern that's growing for you around Mount mcclin.

Speaker 8 (01:52:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:52:04):
Absolutely, doesn't look confident, doesn't look like he has a plan,
looks like he's second guessing himself. He's striking out thirty
two point nine percent of the time like that. That
just doesn't help anybody. Uh So, yeah, I'm worried about him.

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
It also feels like if they can get him going
with the way lux and Marte and Austin Hayes have
been and this lineup becomes more dangerous and coming on,
they are Matt McClain away right now from taking another
step as an offense.

Speaker 5 (01:52:33):
And I think they've been performing pretty well as an offense.
So if he's able to let some point find it,
that would obviously just just help them out a little
bit more. But yeah, I mean he's he's struggling a
little bit. I think more than anything, it's like, what
do you really do with Candelario? Oh my gosh, Because
you know everyone can't.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
I can't. I can't figure it out.

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
Everyone keeps saying, well, dfam, Well, if you dfam, you
got to cut him a check right now for thirty
million dollars. The Reds aren't going to do that. Maybe
he comes up with some random injury that puts him
on the injured list for a couple of weeks and
they can, you know, send him on a rehab assignment.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:53:11):
I don't know what the answer is. I mean, Tyler
Stevenson is going to be good to go here at
the end of this week. We don't know what Sess
is going to look like, but you might have to
make a decision about him. What do you do with
Blake Dunn, who's looked a lot more comfortable at the
plate lately. It provides really good defense and elite speed
late in games that Francona has turned to. I mean,

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I think it's hard because there are guys that you
know you need to rely on at some point, but
you also don't want to take it bats away from
players that are deserving of them right now, right like
you need Matt McLean to get going, but you also
don't want to take bats away from some of the
guys that you just mentioned.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
I think that makes it a little bit harder of
a spot to navigate here. Would you believe that the
Reds are second in baseball and run differential? Yeah, plus
forty one. That is behind the Tigers and Yankees, who
are both plus forty two in run differential this season.

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
Obviously they add some of the Reds are number one
in the National League. Yeah, I mean they obviously won
a game by twenty two round rack that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
I mean that helps.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
But a four game winning streak one and a half
back in the division. Some thing's going right for the
Cincinnati Reds. When we come back, let's talk about what's next.
Austin mentioned we got a lineup to get to take
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fifteen thirty. How are the Reds gonna line it up tonight?
Before we get to that, the Red start a four
game set against the Saint Louis Cardinals. We'll talk about

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the Cardinals in just a second. It's four versus Saint Louis.
It is three verse the Nationals before a trip to
Atlanta to take on the Braves, followed by a trip
to take on the Houston Astros and then return home
against the lowly Chicago White Sox. So before we talk
anything about the Cardinals, how are the Reds gonna line
it up tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
Against them? Back home?

Speaker 5 (01:56:50):
Back to work tone. The Red Legs played tonight at
six forty and they don't have an off day until
May twelfth. That it's kind of amazing they've been playing
for a while. Here's how they'll line them up. Leading
off in center field, TJ friedelj the second batter is
the second baseman, Matt McClain, batting third and playing shortstop.

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Elie de la Cruz. The fourth batter is the DH
Austin Hayes batting fifth, playing left field. That's Gavin lux
The sixth batter is third baseman Noelvie Marte batting seventh,
Spencer Steer, he plays first, batting seventh. The right fielder
Jake Fraley, and batting ninth is catcher Jose Trevigno. And
going up to the mound for the Red tonight is

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Nick Martinez once more. For Cincinnati, It's Freedom McClain, de
la Cruz, Hayes, Lux, Marte, Steer, Freiley, Trevigno with Martinez
on the mound. First pitch set for six forty at
the ballpark down by the River is.

Speaker 4 (01:57:50):
Andre Polante, the guy that had his career game against
the Red Lass.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
Yes, I was just about to say.

Speaker 5 (01:57:55):
Andre Polante is the guy who almost threw a no
hitter against the Reds last year. He's got a four
point zero five ERA for Saint Louis so far this year,
which is a point and a half lower than Nick
Martinez at five point four for Cincinnati in their careers
against Andre Polante, not good. Ellie de la Cruz in

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nine at bats is hitting two twenty two against him
in fourteen at bats. DJ Friedo is batting one forty three. Oh.
Jose Travino is one for two against him. Spincer Steer
and seven at bats is hitting two eighty six. So
those are two of the more I guess higher ones.
Jake Fraley is three for nine with an RBI against

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Andre Polonte. Now, the Cardinals have had some success against
Nick Martinez. Wilson Contreres is two for two with a
home run against him, as is Nolan Gorman two for
two with a home run a couple of RBIs. Brendan Donovan,
their star second basement, is batting seven fIF fifty with
the homer off of him in four at bats. So

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this team flat out crushes like these dudes hit, you know.
I know, Mike and LA has talked about it. From
a team standpoint, they are tied for the league lead
or they are at the league lead in baseball with
a two sixty five team average. Crazy they're slugging percentage,

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not as much because they don't hit as much home runs,
but their tenth in Major League Baseball in slugging. As
far as OPS is concerned, they're eighth in Major League
Baseball with a seven point three seven ops or the
Saint Louis either about Lars Newtbar. Lars Newtbar is a
beast and he's got an awesome name. He's hitting two

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seventy two. Brendan Donovan three fifty nine. Remember Nolan Arnado
was a guy a lot of people talked about in
the offseason. He's off to a two fifty five starts,
three home runs already, Jordan Walker their young prospect, struggling
a little bit, Victor Scott to six four, Alec Burrop,
and you go up and down the list. You mentioned
that the team batting average taking a lot. By surprise,

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how good Saint Louis has been from a hitting standpoint
on the season. They are twelve and sixteen. They are
fourth in the Central.

Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
And you get a little bit of a reunion if
you look ahead to Thursday day Baseball Hunter Green Sonny
Grace late to go on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (02:00:21):
How about that?

Speaker 4 (02:00:22):
So you're gonna see Martinez singer Abbott Green in this
four game set. We talk about waves and we talk
about opportunities that a schedule gibs. We know this Saint
Louis team can hit, but they are four games under
five hundred. How do you view the Saint Louis series
followed by that series at home against Washington Austin, who

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is an up and coming team, albeit I don't think
yet projected on the level of the Cincinnati Reds. They're
two games under five hundred. You get two opportunities at
home against a tea against teams under five hundred, you
got to take advantage.

Speaker 5 (02:01:00):
Right now.

Speaker 4 (02:01:01):
The Reds just six and six at the Friendly count
Finds a great American ballpark. So you say seven games
five and.

Speaker 3 (02:01:07):
Two here, sure, I would sign up for five and two.

Speaker 4 (02:01:10):
Any type of winning record, You're good, four and three,
five and two, I'm running to it. But anything but
a losing home standing.

Speaker 5 (02:01:16):
I mean, we talked about where the Red's at after
this series against Saint Luis, so it kind of that's
kind of where we started the season out. Yeah, we
said that after where they at after thirty two games,
So we'll find out. Is it hard not to get
drawn back in when they have a week nd? It
because you know it's not, because first of all, you

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can see it coming. Gosh, first of all, don't eat
the cheese. Number one, The Rockies are awful. What count
of cheese, any cheese that's laid out before you. As
Nick Saban would call it rat poison. Don't eat the
rat poison. The Rocky suck. Okay, they're really really bad.
The Reds do not play their best and they comfortably

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won each of those games. The Saint Louis Cardinals can
flat out hit, and they can hit in this ballpark,
and the Reds do not trust and no Reds fans
should trust Nick Martinez in his current form. The Cardinals,
as compared to the Rockies are night and day different teams.
Are they a playoff team? No, probably not, nor are

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the Washington Nationals. You have to beat the teams that
you're supposed to beat. Just because they swept the Rockies
and just because they've won four in a row doesn't
mean that this team is good and that they're ready
to go and ready to take off. I hope it does,
but they need to prove it against better competition, especially
in the National League Central. They have to start winning
these games. Haven't done well so far this season, and

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so it starts tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:02:46):
Some updates these are coming from Charlie Goldsmith literally a
minute ago from Terry francona Reds will reevaluates Tyler Stevenson
from his rehab assignment at the end of this week.
Wade Miley has a groin injury, but he could be
back on the mound this week. Cees just swung off
a t and he met with Jamer Candelario today to

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discuss where his role stands. They didn't go into much
detail on what that discussion came with, but there was
a discussion had between Terry Francona and Jamer Candelario today.

Speaker 5 (02:03:21):
Translation, Hey man, you're not gonna play very much. Yeah,
you stink and we're gonna lost to your draft to
Noel v Marte. You ever heard a Wally pip Man.
We owe Marte an apology.

Speaker 3 (02:03:33):
I do for sure.

Speaker 5 (02:03:34):
I don't know about you. I don't know about you.
I don't think you were all out on him like
I was, but I definitely owe him one. I don't
think all out. I just kind of was sorry. He
was out of side, out of mind, and he's been fantastic.
He's helped this team in a stretch.

Speaker 4 (02:03:47):
It's been tough for a couple other hitters, but that's
how they try to get it back tonight when we
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Speaker 1 (02:04:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:04:23):
See you around here somewhere here getting things ready for
his show today, which comes up in the next couple
of minutes here at at three oh five, right here
on ESPN fifteen thirty. He's in the room right now.
Just an eagerness to get to the mic today. An
NFL draft to discuss a red sweep of the Colorado Rockies,
highest run differential in the National League, one behind the

(02:04:45):
Tigers and Yankees in the American League. A lot to
discuss today, Mo.

Speaker 3 (02:04:49):
How are you?

Speaker 24 (02:04:50):
I'm wonderful. How about you, guys, I'm great, great. What
do you got coming up today? Well, you know, the
draft happen this weekend. Yeah, so huh, I've got some
things I like. Okay, I've got some things I'm skeptical about,
and I've got some things you would not have believed
had I told you then back in January. We will
discuss all of them. I've talked myself into Shamar Stewart. Okay,
we'll explain why James Opene's going to join US, Kelsey

(02:05:13):
Conway is going to join US. NFL draft analyst Ryan
Roberts is going to join US. James at three twenty,
Kelsey at four to twenty.

Speaker 3 (02:05:19):
Kelsey.

Speaker 24 (02:05:20):
Now that third round pick, by the way, Dylan Fairchild
he did, she had that, And Ryan's going to join
us at at three thirty three, Kelsey at four twenty.
We'll talk about the weekend that was for the Reds.
Give Terry Francon a lot of credit because he is
sticking with the hot hand.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
Yeah, a lot of folks wondered if he would.

Speaker 24 (02:05:36):
Jamber Candelario is betting a buck thirteen, so we'll spend
some time on that, and I've ceen Cincinnati won as well.
Another win for the Orange and Blue. They move on
from Lucho Acosta yea, and they might be better. Jamer
is atrocious. Yes, Matt McClain's striking out about thirty three
percent of his bats. Yeah, and for a while we've
kind of said, Jamer, we've seen what it is and

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for McLean, it's on have been they missed a long time.
Let's give him some time. I asked this to Austin
in the last segment. Is it nearing a point of
concern now with Matt McLean?

Speaker 8 (02:06:09):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (02:06:10):
Not produc and the way this team is hitting right now,
if they could get production from him, become a whole
different monster.

Speaker 24 (02:06:17):
Yeah, I mean I would imagine his leash is very,
very long, but sure, man, I mean, you have to
play your best nine, and you have to to have
on the team in your best twenty six. I don't
know that Matt McLean's one of their best nine right now,
and I think you're getting to the point where you
do wonder is he really one of their best twenty six?

Speaker 3 (02:06:33):
I think though what he did two years ago is
worth clinging to.

Speaker 24 (02:06:36):
I think what you're hoping for with Matt is number one,
just stay healthier for a long enough period of time
that we could fairly and accurately.

Speaker 3 (02:06:42):
Judge you overall from the draft.

Speaker 4 (02:06:44):
It feels like I don't know if they've had to
say it, but action wise, it feels like they believe
their team is a lot closer than maybe what the
outside perception is.

Speaker 24 (02:06:54):
That's the takeaway, isn't it. Yeah, they think they're good. Yep,
they think they're good at the way they drafted. Says that, Yeah,
we think we're good at defensive tackles, secondary. We think
we're good in the secondary, and we think Al Golden
is the greatest defensive coordinator of all time. I said
this on Paul Danner Junior's podcast last night with Jay
Morrison and Charlie Goldsmith that I cannot recall a Bengals

(02:07:18):
coordinator that they are putting as much on Gosh as
they're putting on Al Golden now, Like they hired Jay
Gruden in twenty eleven, and the idea was Groom, Andy Dalton, Groom,
Aj Green. We've got the Carson Palmer thing hanging over
us and it's a lockout offseason. But the idea that
year wasn't to win the Super Bowl. It was just
put a respectful team on the field. Respectable team on

(02:07:39):
the field. Hugh Jackson was elevated offensive coordinator and The
idea was get more out of Andy Dalton than the
previous offensive coordinator was. But I'm not sure that overhauler
that undertaking is equal to what they're asking Al Golden
to do. A lot of the same parts from last year,
a handful of draft picks. If I would have said
back in January, the Bengals will use half their picks

(02:08:02):
on offense and do very little in free agency on defense.

Speaker 3 (02:08:06):
Would have said, what right, But that's what they did.
It's interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:08:11):
What did you make Did you think there was collusion
and conspiracies in the NFL that Shador didn't get drafted.
Do you think all these teams got together and colluded
to not draft him? Do we really think that's the case.
It was outrageous to see so much of that over
the weekend. These have to win, they want to win.

Speaker 24 (02:08:29):
There are thirty two different reasons why Shadoor Sanders wasn't taken.
Some teams have their quarterback. Some teams have their quarterbacks.
Some teams didn't view him as being worth a top
four round pick. Other teams preferred other quarterbacks in this draft.
Some teams, I'm sure, do not believe that from a

(02:08:50):
makeup perspective, shad Door Sanders is what they're looking for
some teams. Dion Sanders said, I don't want my kid
playing there, and those teams went all right.

Speaker 12 (02:08:59):
Cool.

Speaker 24 (02:09:00):
I don't think there's any one reason I think it's
a fascinating story. I also don't think there's been a
weirder quarterback room in the history of professional football than
the one the Cleveland Browns have right now. But like
I'm I'm rooting for him because the next step in
the story is for him to play well enough. And like,
I get it, he's the Browns quarterback, so I'm only
rooting for him when he's one of their quarterbacks, only

(02:09:20):
rooting for him to a degree, But I like interesting.
The next interesting part of the story is he plays
well enough to make a lot of teams go huh damn,
maybe we should have pulled the trigger in round four.

Speaker 3 (02:09:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (02:09:35):
I think it's one of the most interesting things I've
ever seen. With the draft, I was watching on Friday
and the ESPN crew with every subsequent pick sounded like
they were gonna cry unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (02:09:46):
It took Rhys Davis on Saturday to bring some sanity
to the process, and then melk Kuiper gives him an
A plus. The Browns unbelievable. I thought like it became
really interesting television.

Speaker 4 (02:09:59):
It was interesting, and from a former player standpoint, I
thought it takes away from guys that were getting drafted,
sure because as soon as the person gets drafted, it's
right back to Shador. Yeah, it kind of sucks for
the player itself, but coverage wise and Austin brought this
up as well. It was fascinating to see the reaction
as quarterback needy teams continued to pass or take a
different quarterback.

Speaker 24 (02:10:16):
When Pittsburgh passed on him in round three, I thought
mel Kuiper was gonna cry on television, and I thought
Mike Greenberger was going to cry on television, Like I
thought somebody was gonna have to come in from offset
to go.

Speaker 5 (02:10:26):
Yeah, you guys cool, Yeah, we're gonna be able to continue.
We're gonna do the second mel need to say.

Speaker 24 (02:10:30):
But I know there was no collusion. Yeah, there was
no There was no getting together. Hey, hey let's make
Shador Sanders fall to the fifth round.

Speaker 35 (02:10:38):
Right.

Speaker 24 (02:10:38):
There were a lot of teams that I think looked
at him and said, good prospect. But we wish he
had a little bit more humility. And by the way,
sometimes in your early adult years you need a slice
of humble pie and you get it and you improve
because of it, or you don't.

Speaker 3 (02:10:56):
It'll be interesting to see what happens with him.

Speaker 4 (02:10:58):
I was told earlier today that this is since he
three to sixty, not MBA around the horn. Albeit, it
was a fascinating weekend in the NBA. I don't mind
talking a little NBA. Your New York Knicks are up
three to one, little controversy. Yeah, what'd you feel about
the next ad non call? There's a foul?

Speaker 3 (02:11:14):
Go to Detroit, get two. Feeling good about things? I'm
always I feel great about it. So do I have
time here?

Speaker 8 (02:11:20):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:11:22):
Multiple things can be true.

Speaker 24 (02:11:23):
Jalen Brunton and Karl Anthony Towns in the fourth quarter
were awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
Yeah, awesome, there it is. I haven't heard that in
a while. The Detroit Pistons in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 24 (02:11:32):
They took an early nine point lead early in the
fourth quarter and then started turning the ball over. Three
of those turnovers were unforced. Kate Cunningham had a wide
open fifteen footer that would have probably won the game
for Detroit. All these things are true. Detroit offensively kind
of unraveled there in the fourth quarter. They had multiple
times where they're up, multiple possessions in the final three
minutes where if they get a stop they probably win

(02:11:53):
the game. But sure did Josh Hart foul Tim Hardaway
Junior one hundred percent ten times out of ten. That's
called I have no I'm saying that. But here's this
is why I don't complain when the officiating doesn't go
my way, because sometimes it does, so.

Speaker 3 (02:12:08):
You know it's gonna come back. Water's gonna find its level.

Speaker 24 (02:12:10):
Crosstown shootout right, Dance Skillings got away with a lane violation. Yes, right,
Sometimes the bad call goes your way, which is why
when it doesn't, I don't whine and moan like everybody else,
because when it does go my way, I don't feel
sorry like folks on social media like, oh, I can't
feel good about that. Like my team, my team won
an NBA playoff game. I'm not gonna feel good about that.

(02:12:32):
Like in sports, it happens to all of us. Sometimes
your team is gonna benefit from a strike zone that's
a little bit too wide, and your picture gets the call,
or and and and by the way, Tobias Harris fotoz
that of bounds in that final sequence too. I'm not complaining,
I guess because my team won. But like, it was
a foul, if you want that admission, it's a foul.

(02:12:55):
Does that make me feel any different about the game
itself and the outcome? No, they're up three to one
and they deserve to be. Detroit has turned the ball
over more than the Knicks in every game in this series.
Karl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson were awesome in the
fourth quarter, and when the game was kind of slipping
away from them, Detroit started slow, allowed the Knicks at
home to punch him in the mouth. They were too
they were too slow to respond. Kate Cunningham had a

(02:13:16):
wide open look. So yeah, it was it was a
bad call. I'm free to admit that.

Speaker 3 (02:13:21):
Sometimes it's sports man, it happens.

Speaker 4 (02:13:24):
You mentioned a good fourth quarter, not a good one
for Lebron. Zero points, Lakers blow a lead, They're outscored
by thirteen timber Wolves.

Speaker 3 (02:13:32):
That's fun.

Speaker 4 (02:13:33):
Anthony Edwards is fun to watch. Yes, he attacks in
the back and forth now with Lebron, and he's not
backing down. Tough to see Damian Lillard torn A Kiell tough. Yeah,
thirty five years old, tough to see that. And the
Nuggets Clippers series. How do you see that one ending
to two right now? Yeah, I'm unbelievable. Buzzer beater, the

(02:13:53):
dunk at the end. Yeah, Aaron Gordon, I'm leading Denver. Okay,
that thing's going seven.

Speaker 3 (02:13:57):
Love it. We want it to go seven. Next. Next,
that was your MBA around the horn? What's next?

Speaker 5 (02:14:03):
Yes?

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