Cincy 360 w/ Tony Pike & Austin Elmore -- 7/8/25

Tony and Austin talk with Joe Danneman, Dr. William Barrett, and YOU! They recap another disappointing Reds loss, take your TalkBacks, and more on ESPN 1530!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good afternoon, Happy Tuesday. Welcome in.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
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as well. Today Wise, Joe Daniman Fox nineteen is back.
Are we sure we want Joe and not Jeremy Austin?

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Are we giving Joe one more chance?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Maybe that should be our poll question today interest, who
would you rather hear Joe or Jeremy based on the
last two weeks. You know this will be the second
time I hear Joe Danniman's voice later on today. That's right.
I was watching episode one of Netflix Quarterback, Yeah, earlier
this morning. Yeah, and all of a sudden, I hear

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a familiar voice from God one of Joseph Lee Danoman Man.
How about that? Unbelievable. He's a star, star power.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
But we'll give him today to see if he can
bring a little bit more than what Jeremy Row.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Brought the last couple weeks. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Doctor William Barrett of Cincinnati Cancer Advisors the Cincinnati Cancer
Foundation is going to join us at two o'clock this afternoon.
They have two events coming up. One is Ride Cincinnati.
They've also got the Steve Abbott Momore Golf Classic. And
they are doing, when I say, amazing work here in
the greater Cincinnati region.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It is.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
It's phenomenal. You're gonna want to hear what doctor Barrett
has to say. He will join us at two o'clock
this afternoon. Other happenings before we get into what last
night was Austin and I asked the question on Twitter
today if you could just use one word to describe
last night.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Abysmal.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
I think was what came to mind initially for me
in watching that game last night. Not because they were
bad offensively, not because they were bad defensively. They were
bad on both and collectively. When you're that bad and
when you seem that flat, when you have an opportunity
with seven straight home games to close out the first

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half of the season, knowing that you need these home games,
I just find it hard to believe that that was
the effort that this team put fourth last night.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
The word that came to mind for me was lifeless. Yeah,
it was like, how do you explain that? I don't know.
I've been trying to figure that out because it almost
felt like that stretch early on in the season where
remember they scored fourteen runs against the Texas Rangers and
then they lost like three straight games one to nothing. Yep,
And here we are now with another game in which

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they score only one run. They mustered three hits total,
two of them came in the ninth inning. They basically,
if not for one bad pitch from Zach Wheeler, just
got perfect gamed in Philadelphia. It's like all of a sudden,
they forgot how to pit, how to hit. I don't
know how to explain it. Yeah, we will.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
We'll talk a lot about the Reds here and now
number one, we'll take your phone calls as it pertains
to the Reds as well. Not only that Mo mention,
the Nick Krawl comments. We'll dive into those a little bit.
A Hunter Green injury update, that's not the best. I've
a general question about this is this team good? Are
they bad? And they just have a few good pieces?

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Are they overperforming? Are they underperforming? I have zero clue
what to think about this team this far into the season,
which is a bad thing. And I have a leadership question,
not a manager question I'm confident in Terry Francona, but
a clubhouse leadership question that I think is fair to ask.

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We'll do all of that today and you'll hear a
little Terry Francona for a metro last night's game. We'll
recap that game here in segment two of our number one.
Other storylines happening. As Austin mentioned, the Netflix series Quarterback
is out, so you can go to Netflix and now
watch that. You can see some Joe Burrow behind the scenes.

(04:47):
I found it fascinating, Austin, the interaction. I think Joe
Goodberry posted the video between Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor
against the Tennessee Titans when the Bengals won the game
by ten, but clearly Joe Burrow was not happy about it.
I found that interaction fascinating, as we'll find many interactions
of that series completely fascinating. NBA wise, Paalo Banko got

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a max deal from a rookie standpoint, and Tyrese Halliburton
has announced by the Indiana Pacers will miss all of
the upcoming NBA season, so a tough blow to the
Eastern Conference defending champions. WNBA wise, Page Buckets and Caitlin
Clark will play each other on August first. The Dallas

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Wings are gonna move that game to the Dallas Mavericks Arena.
Do you believe, Austin, that'll be the most hyped up?
I mean, it's still it doesn't happen till August first.
Will that be the most watched WNBA game from a
regular season standpoint?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
In your opinion? Probably?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I mean those two assuming Kaitlin Clark's back from injury.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, they play. I feel like it happens every time
they play Chicago or some big team on the road.
They move it to an NBA arena, it happens a lot.
I guess because Paige Becker's is playing for Dallas that
I guess that's probably going to be the one to
push it over the top is a ratings wise, So yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Buckets, Paige Buckets. Mandy Machado got his two thousandth career
hit last night, and a former Red Austin is now
the interim manager of the Washington Nationals, Miguel Cairo.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Congrats to Miguel Cairo. Yeah, it was interesting. They asked
him to do it and he was like, I need
to think about it because he was very close with
Davey Martinez. Yeah, and you know, had been the bench
coach there for a while. And eventually, I guess decided
to do it because I think a lot of people
I would be curious to get Jeff and Virginia's opinion

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on this, because he is a season ticket holder for
the Nats. But I don't know how Nats fans feel
like did they feel like it was Davey Martinez's fault?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Right?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
And was this a little bit premature for them to
do that. I don't know, but yeah. Otherwise, from a
baseball standpoint, a streak ended.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Last night.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
The Cleveland Guardians won a baseball game, so the streak
of ten straight losses is over. The Toronto Blue Jays, however,
their streak is not over. They won their ninth straight
baseball game last night. They were up to fifty three
wins on the season. The Tigers have now won four straight.
They increased their stranglehold on the AL Central by fourteen

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games over the Kansas City Royals. They're the only team
in the AL Central to have a winning record currently.
Houston Astros have fifty five wins, and then you get
the Phillies at fifty three, the Cubs fifty four, and
the Dodgers at fifty six. The Dodgers Austin have lost
four games in a row. Time to press the panic
button in La, no question mark, they'll score some runs,

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then tweet they'll score some runs. I would assume ESPN
threw out some potential trade candidates for Paul Skins, Ronald Acuna,
and Byron Buxton.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I think the Red should be in on all those guys.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Go all in on all three They listed three potential
offers for Paul Skeins. One came from the Mets, one
came from the Dodgers, one came from the Tigers. The
rich continue to get richer Ronald mccunya. They threw offers
out for the Milwaukee Brewers, the Seattle Mariners, and the
Tampa Bay Rays and Byron Buxton. If you remember Austin,

(08:20):
Byron Buxton had a heck of a series in Cincinnati.
I believe he had four home runs in the three
game series. He was phenomenal. He's thirty one years old
but still one of the better defensive center fielders in
the game. And they have three potential trade offers listed
for Byron Buxton. One is from the Philadelphia Phillies, one
is from the Kansas City Royals, and the third is

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from the Cincinnati Reds. Now On here Austin. It has
the Reds offering Rehet Lauder, Chase Petty, and Sal Stewart.
Would you give up those three players to get Byron Buxton?
He is signed through just to make He's signed through
twenty twenty eight and makes just fifteen million per season,

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so it's a very team friendly deal for Byron Buxton.
Through twenty twenty eight. But would you give up Louder,
Petty and south Stewart. I would give up Louder and Petty.
I don't know that I'm going to give up south
Stewart for that. Yeah, that seems like a lot.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I also, I think there's a list of four guys
in the roster in the organization that I deem untouchable. Okay,
Cam call your South Stewart, Offredo Duno, and Chase Burns.
Those are the guys that, like right now, nobody can
have them. Everybody else is pretty much fair game. Obviously
Ellie is a different story, but you should be open

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to trading all those other guys. Here's the thing they
get Byron Buxton. Does that make them? Does that put
them over the top right now? That's the thing. I
don't know that it does. I don't know, because this
roster is so devoid of talent that even acquiring a
good power hitting outfielder may not be enough.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
So that's that's I think the conundrum that we fall in.
H do you go in and try to add and
is one piece enough or at this point do you
now think you got to get at least two?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I found myself thinking last night watching the game, I'm like, yep,
this is it. This is what they do.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
And they get us right up until training camp and
us right up into the All Star break. It's so demoralized.
And then they'll urinate down their legs and they won't
end up being buyers and they'll kind of fade off
into irrelevance going into August.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
Hull.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Hum. It just seems to be with the cycle. Yeah,
it's their cycle. And again it goes back to those
dumb ass comments from Nick Crawl about we'll see where
we are when everybody gets healthy. Well, guess what, Hunter
Green's still not healthy. And since you said that, Jake
Fraley got hurt and there's been other injuries and other

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st and other is Ian Jabou is on the injured list.
That sort of mindset towards building a roster is so asinine.
And again I said it at the time and I
say it now. It is insulting the Reds fans because
you don't have time to sit around and wait for
people to get healthy, because you might be out of
it by then. To me, that is indicative of a

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guy who doesn't want to or can't spend money and
doesn't want to, you know, commit to something and then
you know, okay, well if we're if we're in position
by the time everybody gets healthy, then we'll go do something.
But if not, well then I don't have to spend
any money.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
It was a story from Mark Sheldon's Red Beat newsletter
reds Beat Newsletter, and this was after the series loss
in Philly, and he asked Nick Krawl about how they're
going to navigate the next twenty five days, and Nick
Krawl's response was, quote, you'd always like to buy, no
matter where you are. That's the goal. Let's see how

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we play over the next couple weeks and where we are.
It's so dumb now, Austin. I know we've mentioned this before,
and because of conversation and comments like this, we have
to reiterate. You're allowed to be a buyer now. Now,
do you have to pay a little more, yes, but
do you do you have the opportunity. As Nick Kral
goes on to say in this and this was before
the Hunter Green News last night, it's been really good

(12:20):
to get our own players back. And let's see where
we're at once those guys are back, and where we
go again. Since I can remember, the strategy is always
let's get healthy and then let's go from there, and
very rarely do you ever get healthy. Fully, Yeah, it's
depending on who you're playing well, who's injured, who's not,

(12:40):
Where you are record wise, you're always evaluating where and
what you are. There's a lot of teams in it
right now. There are a lot of teams trying to
figure out where they are. I think you're just trying
to feel your way through it and having conversations with
other teams.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I just.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Those comments to me are so tone deaf for this
city of Cincinnati now to say, well, let's see where
we're at, let's see how we play over the next
couple weeks and where we are. You could have instead said,
you know what, we had a tough schedule in June,
and we played our tails off and it's only right
that we push some chips in and we try to

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make this team better. Instead, it's the same message we
had last time we heard Nick Crawl talk. Let's see
how we play out the next couple of weeks. Let's
see how what happens when we get healthy. And as
you just mentioned, Haunter Green has now suffered a little
bit of a setback. Jake Frehley's not available. You're never
going to be fully healthy. And if your idea of
building this franchise and competing for this franchise is waiting

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until you're healthy and see where you're at, you're never
going to.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Compete correct never, And you know, I get that at
this time, it's not easy to go and make a deal.
I understand that there are other teams that maybe are
not willing to, you know, commit to selling, or they
are also want to see how the next couple of
weeks play out before making a deal. I understand it's

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not always easy to make that deal if you're Nick Krawl.
That being said, it shifts the focus to how poorly
he has built the roster over the course of the
last couple of years. He deserves credit for Gavin Lux
Brady Singer has been Okay, I guess that's a net
positive in exchange for Jonathan India. Yeah, But like injuries

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are a continual issue team and the Reds don't have
the horses to withstand those injuries to the point where
they were forced into putting Chase Burns on the mound
in a Big League game way before they wanted to.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
Like it.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
To me, just continues to show that Nick Krawl and
his people don't know what they're doing. And I get
that he a difficult job. Like sure, I'm not taking
I'm not saying that what he's doing. You can just
plug and play it and it's going to be perfect.
But Nick Kral's been here for twenty years and we

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just keep kind of going around in circles and saying
the same stuff over and over and over again. They
need something to snap them out of streaks like this,
a player or a veteran or a pitcher or whatever.
But like this happens way too much. Twenty two times
already this year they've scored one or fewer runs.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Brutal like brutal it it's frustrating. We'll spend some more
time an hour number one on this. You can call
and weigh in as well. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty real quick. Wimbledon's happening right now Austin. There
is already one American in the semifinals. Taylor Fritz is
onto the semifinals. He'll take on the winner of Norian

(15:51):
Alcarez and then Ben Shelton who has become a fan favorite.
This week, the American will take on Yakub Sinner, who
won yesterday because as a pone had to withdraw and
Novak Djokovic is out it again tomorrow, so one American
through to the semifinals. Another opportunity for Ben Shelton to
get through tomorrow to the semifinals of Wimbledon, and the

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Bearcats are taking center stage this afternoon at Big twelve
Media Day. We will see along the way today. If
we get any Scott Sanderfield audio from the podium, we'll
grab some of that as well. But for now, when
we come back, let's dive into what was a brutal
night at the ballpark last night. Reds lose five to one.

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We'll recap that. You'll hear some Terry Francona and we'll
take your phone calls as well. Five to one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. Stick with us. And before we do that, Ausome,
we have a poll question as.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well, Revivefitnessystems dot Com Poll question today kind of revolving
around the Quarterback series The Drop today on Netflix featuring
Joe Burrow, Jared Goff and Kirk Cousins. How interested are
are you in watching Quarterback on Netflix? Option one not
at all interested, Option two, I'll check it out, Option

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three very interested in it, and option four I already
binged it right now. Forty five percent say very interested. Yeah,
forty percent say they'll check it out, ten percent say
they're not at all interested in two and a half
percent say they've already binged it. Good for them.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
A brutal not at the ballpark. To recap when we
come back, we have sixty ESBN fifteen thirty. When does
training camps.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I have a confession to make in the next segment
about something that happened during this Reds game.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Well, thanks to Skyline Chili, we'll be back for that
and more.

Speaker 8 (17:45):
Now you're chatting ball on the ground at third, Marte
Fields comes home with it, throws it away, throws it
to the backstop. The runner is going to try per second,
and the throw to second is into the outfield.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
This will be picked up by Hayes, and Hayes.

Speaker 8 (17:58):
Will just eat it on a ground.

Speaker 9 (18:01):
Ball to third.

Speaker 8 (18:02):
The Marlins get a run and gets the batter all
the way to third base.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
That from the cowboy of oh boy, yep, oh boy, Yeah,
that play specifically, Little League baseball came to mind. The
circus came to mind. You know, we had just Austin
mentioned Cees and his struggles at third base and needing

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to find in a solid third basement, and then Nouelvee
Marte went and did that. It was a comedy of
airs last night at Great American Ballpark. And I'm not
just essentially talking about the two errors in which the
Reds committed. I'm talking about the approach in general. I

(18:53):
had to double check Austin because I thought I missed
a trade in Major League Baseball. I thought the Phillies,
upon beating the Reds, traded Zach Wheeler to the Miami
Marlins and he somehow started back to back games. I
thought I was watching Zach Wheeler pitch yesterday. It's one

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thing to go across a pitcher like Zach Wheeler and
to just tip your cap and say, man, that pitcher
had it. We didn't what the Reds did last night.
There's no excuse for that. Not a dominating pitcher. Not
a pitcher you look that strikes fear across hitters in

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Major League Baseball. They were no hit into the fifth inning.
They ended up collecting three, thanks to two hits in
the ninth two more heirs. They've scored, as Austin mentioned
in the first segment, one run in each of their
last three games, twenty second time this season they've scored

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zero one and all of a sudden, the team that
had build up so much positive equity going into to
early July has now lost five of seven.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Isn't amazing. Every time they get four games over five
hundred meltdown or close to it, they have a complete
meltdown meltdown. They lead the league. Actually, they're second in
Major League Baseball in the number of times they have
been at five hundred. Yep, fifteen times already this season.
Boston leads at sixteen. A loss tonight puts them at

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five hundred. They've never been more than four games below,
and they've never been more than four games over five
hundred at any point. And that's what's crazy, is like,
every time they start to play a little bit of
decent baseball, I always find myself saying, hmm, yep, how's
this gonna happen? When's the floor gonna fall out? And
you know, they very well could go rattle off six straight.

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I wouldn't be surprised if they do. But then after
the All Star break, I'm thinking, hmm, yeah, here comes
losses in seven of ten. That's just who they are.
They're the most inconsistent baseball team in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Mentioned on Monday yesterday, how impressive I thought it was
the way the Phillies approached there at bats against Chase Burns.
To take it a step further with how bad the
Reds were last night. The Marlins pitchers Austin through seven innings,
through ninety six pitches, Bradys Singer was at ninety five
and five innings. They're just not even competitive at bats.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, you know last night Jansen Jansen junk. Yeah, Dominie
at al starter. You can't say this about him. He
doesn't walk guys hardly at all. And John Sadaka I
was watching last night, did a pretty good job of explaining, Hey,
this is something he does really well. He keeps the
ball on the zone. And then the Reds in that
was at the second inning, did a really good job

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of waiting him out, took some pitches, drew a couple
of walks, and then he was effectively wild. Right, he
wasn't even effectively wild. He was there was a pass ball,
there was a wild pitch, they move up and they
end up scoring without getting a hit. But the scouting
report very clearly was this guy doesn't walk people. Let's

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be aggressive early in the count yea. And except for
the second inning where they were relatively patient, they were
aggressive early and it didn't work.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, I am. The frustrating part is what you alluded to.
Every time this team gives you hope and you start
to believe and you start to buy in more, it's
taken away. That's just the way it's gone. I don't
know that I've ever really bought in, but last night

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it was the epitome of I think where this team is.
And I know we Lance does the post game every
night for the Reds and I heard him mention.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
A quote last night.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
He said, I'm tired of hearing about the fight and
the energy and the grid of this team. He said,
you know what, the team needs more talent, because that,
to me, Austin, is what it is.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
At the end of it.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
We could talk about, oh they're tough, Oh they're fighting,
Oh they're they're pushing. They're just not a talented team
from top to bottom. They don't impose a lot of
fear in opposing pitches.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Pitchers. Their key to success is everybody playing at their
highest possible level and being healthy, which just doesn't happen
in Major League base and being healthy. You know, Matt McClain,
it'd be cool if he could freaking figure it out.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
You said, Matt McClain. Yeah, hold on, he's terrible. He's
oh for his last eighteen now, awful.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Like TJ. Friedel's seven for his last forty. And you
know what, free do I get it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
You know he's been carrying this offense again. But that's
the point.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
The problem is there's nobody there that can pick you up.
There's nobody there that can say, all right, it's on
me today, because you know, half the time Austin Hayes'
been hurt. Ellie is having a really good season, but
even he can't be the same guy all the time.
Spencer Steer okay, Tyler Stevenson and Will Benson are both

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hitting two thirty. Yeah, noelvi Marte has gotten one hit
since he came back from the injured list. Like, there
is not enough consistency topped a bottom. That's what it
comes down to. It's the word I've been saying from
the very beginning of the season. They are too inconsistent.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
So it goes back to the original question in segment
one would adding one bat change that.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
I don't know, but I mean, you see how good
they play when Steer is on, right, but they they
require all their players to be on. But even then
there was a stretch there where Steer kind of carried
the team. It was Steer and Ellie. That was it.
It might be as simple as can one other guy
just be on and Ellie? This is who Ellie is.

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Ellie's going to take care of it. Can it be
Ellie and one other dude in stretches where they've been
really good this year? That's what it's been. But that's
a lot to it's been. And Matt McClain. Early on,
it was Ellie and TJ. Friedel for a decent chunk.
It was Ellie and Spencer Steer for a little while.
Benson's had a small spark. Benson, you know, a couple

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of times unlucky at times this year, but like it's
just it's Ellie and somebody else and.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
They've exhausted other options. Reese signs isn't the guy anyone
else be Cees doesn't seem like the guy people hope
going backwards. There's just a lot more of that than
anything else on this team.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
So and also, I know we're not supposed to do this.
Tito the Magnificent supposed to be it. Should he be
getting more out of this group?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
That's my question? Or is this the most they have?
My question that I am I'm stumped with right now.
Is this a team that is vastly overperforming because of
how the roster is or is this a team that
you view as underperforming? And I think both of those.
You can point some of the blame or some of
the praise to Terry Francona. But what I don't know

(26:14):
right now, Austin. Are they a bad team that has
a few good pieces that has overperformed overperforming or is
it a disaster of a team that has or is
it a better team than we give them credit for
that's underperforming. I think they are a below average team.
They got a few good pieces, and at times they've

(26:36):
they've shined, but last night feels more of like who
they are.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I mean, we've kind of reached a point where this
is who Matt McLain is right, twenty two games you've
scored zero or one runs.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Through at least for this season ninety one. I just
so that part, to me is fascinating. And then there
is a side in which last night, and I don't
agree with a lot of this former Reds takes outside
of baseball, but I saw it going around last night.

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Zach Cozarkt, the formal shortstop of the Reds, asked the
question following the game. He said, how can the Reds
or anyone expect the young kids to overcome adversity when
they have no one to learn from or pick their brain,
who right now in the locker room as a position
player has the respect and leadership that the young players
can lean on when times get tough. Zach Cozart went

(27:35):
on to say I had Scott Roland, Miguel Cairo, Ramon Hernandez,
Skip Schumacher, all guys that held him to a high
standard and would give advice all the time, and guys
that he could rely on for advice. He goes on
to say, the Reds don't have one. Now, this is
something we've talked about before, Austin, and we used the
Miguel Cairo and Scott rolling often, and I think there

(27:56):
was a point, was it Joey Vada with Will Benson
with Elie de la Cruz when he was like it
was both of them. It was pretty watching the iPad
with him.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, Benson was the one that Benson gave Odo a
lot of credit to.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Who on this team right now does that for them?
That's not a pitcher because I genuinely don't know. Because
you have a lot of young players as your core.
Who's helping those players in the clubhouse when they come
off the field.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
The only people I can really think of would be
jose H Travino and Tyler Stevenson, just because they are
the most experienced of the bunch, Like those are the
those are the only guys that's like, okay, right, but
I don't see that vocal guy. Well, that's the thing.
We keep saying that about everybody. He said that about Indio,

(28:46):
you said that about Vado for a while, and Vado
had this some sort of awakening in the last couple
of years of his career where I think it clicked
for him that like I can be a resource to
these people, I can just try to have fun playing baseball.
I'm gonna start hitting home runs again. And it's almost
like Vodo got out of his own head and just

(29:08):
let it all hang out. So this is me, this
is my personality, this is who I am. He dropped
the guard down. Maybe it's different if Voda was like
that for an entire his entire career, but still, like
we had that conversation with the Bengals, Geno Atkins and
AJ Green, those are lead by example type of guys.
They speak softly and they carry a big stick. I

(29:30):
don't know who really is that guy for the Reds,
and I think they're desperately missing that. And on top
of that, nobody's really performing. It's like it's one thing
if AJ Green and Geno Atkins, you know, are saying
stuff or not saying stuff or whatever. But those dudes
were balling. And you know last year, last year, Luke

(29:51):
Maylee tried to be the guy in the clubhouse and
Luke Maylee stunk, and Jonathan India tried to be the
guy and he had very little, u not nearly as
much big league experience as the rest of them, or
he was what's the word I'm trying to say, he
was not that much more experienced than those guys, and
he's stunk for a decent chunk. It just they don't

(30:14):
have it. Yeah, it is uh Travino, I feel like
is the only guy right and he's not even been
here that long. Yeah, I mean, they just don't have
that built in players. It's frustrating, and I think it's
a fair criticism and it's a fair question to ask.
It's a conversation we've had ten times over the last
five years. Yep.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Last night also yielded a negative update for Hunter Green.
We'll get to that with some Terry Francona audio and
your phone calls. Next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station,
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phone call to get a start with our calls today.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Chuck is calling in. What's up, Chuck, Hey, Tony? How
you doing?

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Awesome up?

Speaker 9 (31:29):
Back kind of piggyback into what you guys are saying.
I was just thinking, like, where would this team be
if and I think we all assume this beginning of season,
if McLean, Strand and Stevenson could just hit two fifty
this year.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
I mean what Major leaverage like two forty six.

Speaker 9 (31:44):
Yeah, I mean I think we all assume that these
guys would hit around two fifty beginning of the year.
I mean, they would certainly be in the top three
if these guys could hit I mean Spanner, McLean or
they're an over away from going back on the Interstate
and McLean's at three hundred bats.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, to me, I was I was more up in
the air on who Cees and Marte were gonna be.
But I assume that Steer and McLain we're gonna be
big contributors for this team. And Steer has gotten himself
back to I think where he needs to be. But
the absence of Matt McClain, in my opinion, might be
one of the more surprising or astonishing things that's happened

(32:20):
this first half.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Of the year. To me, it's the biggest thing. Like,
you know, mart has only had seventy six appears you
played appearances so far this season, something along those lines, like,
I'm still open to think there's something there with Noel
Vi Marte uh and I it's hard to say. With Stevenson.
Maybe he's not in a rhythm because he's not playing
every single day and going back and forth with Travino.

(32:40):
But to me, the biggest thing is Matt McClain. His
impact or lack thereof, is killing this team. And he's
occupying the two hole.

Speaker 9 (32:50):
Yeah, that's another thing. Why is he batting lead off
at second all the time? I mean, at least bad
of minds. I mean, he's you know, at least he's
contributing defensively for.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
The most part, and when he was batting at the
bottom of the order, that's the only time this year
he's really been productive.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
So yeah, yeah, Chuck, we appreciate it. Man, Thank you
for the call, thank you for listening. But yeah, that
that to me. I think if you were cataloging everything
that's went wrong in the first half, or everything you're
worried about in the first half, obviously the health of
some players would be up there as well. But how

(33:21):
do you not start and stop with with Matt McLean
at this point? Yeah, I mean it's staggering, staggering how
bad he's been.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, I don't know how to fix it. Yeah, you know,
there's this belief out there for a lot of people
that you can't really judge a player after until they've
had a thousand of bats in the big leagues. Okay,
he's at six hundred and fifty six, so maybe he's
just over halfway there. But in his career, he's hitting
two fifty two.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
It's and it's not like it started, so it's trending
in the wrong direction.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, he had a pretty good month of June, but
that so far has been sandwiched by a terrible month
of May in a pretty horrid start to July.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Terry Francona spoke after last night's game. Can we pull
that audio, which includes an unfortunate update that we learned
about Hunter green as well.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
That was kind of all nineties.

Speaker 10 (34:17):
Well, I mean he you know, after after the first inning,
a lot of you know, twenty twenty three twenty pitch inning,
so there was deep pitch counts, seemed like there was
runner and scoring position just about every inning. Then they
finally cashed in. Uh, I thought we had a chance,
real good chance. Early we got one, but I thought

(34:38):
that was and then he really settled in.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
You know, we knew he could spend it, and he really.

Speaker 10 (34:43):
Located his fastball and kind of gave us fits.

Speaker 11 (34:47):
He's been at an offensive drought here later, but in
particular tonight that his ability jumped to.

Speaker 10 (34:54):
Spend it was the difference. Well, I think again the
locating this fast along with it really gave us stuff.

Speaker 12 (35:03):
Time.

Speaker 13 (35:03):
I I mentioned I wrote this word in the offline
of your team.

Speaker 12 (35:08):
Overall the US along there are two Arason.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Kind of learning over there. Well, I mean I thought
I went back and looked at it.

Speaker 10 (35:16):
You know, the runner did a good job of getting
in the lane and looked like Marte then got under
it and sailed. Richardson did a good job of backing up,
but he just had time to move his feet and
kind of rushed it.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
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Speaker 5 (35:39):
When you say new fro from when h from your art,
would you would we talk to you?

Speaker 10 (35:46):
I the MRI came back. We're really pleased with that.
He he's still feeling he had at times. I don't
know if how I y he just doesn't. I think
there's not a lot of confidence in there yet. Sometimes
I think it feels fatigued. And we wanted to do

(36:10):
the right thing, and sometimes it's very difficult. That's what
we got the MRI because you know, you ask somebody
to go out there and let it loose them three
hundred miles an hour. You don't want him worrying about something.
So we're going to take some steps to try to
give him a little more time so when he does
go out, he's.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Rare to go all right.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
So first, you know, it was almost and I get
you don't want to to throw the barage of insults
to your players, but Noave, Mart's got to make that throw.
You can't just say that the runner gotten away and
did a good job and that's why you got to
make that throw. And you praise Line Richmond for backing
up to play, which he's supposed to do. You also

(36:51):
got to make the throw. That's that aside. The Hunter
Green thing to me is uh is concerning. He's obviously
pushing back the rehab assignment which was supposed to start today.
He's feeling tightness in the same area. They obviously said
they're pleased with the MRI. But to me, Austin, this

(37:13):
from a confidence level, I don't know how you could
be confident with where things stand right now with hunter
Green barring this setback. And it's not like he has
been taxing or pushing it very much. He's not thrown
many many rehab innings. He did it in Boston, did
it in Philly, but now to have this setback is
obviously very concerning for the Reds.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I thought that I thought that Charlie wrote a pretty
good story about the setback for hunter Green and the
ripple effect of that on the rest of the rotation,
and Charlie, I thought, wrote it really well. That you know,
he's missed two months in twenty twenty three due to

(37:55):
hip stiffness, a month in twenty twenty four due to
an elbow contusion and swelling, and the lingering injuries have
now become a part of his story is the unfortunate
reality for a guy that I think is really likable
and really talented and the type of player that you
could build your franchise around in Hunter Green. I truly

(38:15):
believe that, but stuff just keeps getting in the way,
and I can't help but think, is this something mechanical, Like, Yeah,
he's been really effective when he's been healthy, but now
that you're continuing to have groin issues, it's leaked into

(38:35):
your hip, which you've had a hip issue in the past,
then you had to have an epidural in your back
because of the straining that was going on. Does he
need to rework his mechanics to better suit his body.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Mechanics what he's doing in between starts? Maybe if you
remember a.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Couple of years ago, he had like an issue too,
like with an abdomen, and he then worked a lot
on improving his core strength and improving his endurance, and
he got good results with that. I don't know if
if the rest of it suffered because of the impact

(39:11):
or the focus on the core strength, I don't know,
but like, clearly there's there's been some sort of an issue,
and you don't want to restart with Hunter Green, like
you don't want to just scrap it and start all
over again. But if the injuries keep happening, at what
point do you look and say, Okay, how can I,
you know, put my body under less of less stress

(39:32):
and still be effective.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
It's it is worrisome because it is now as you mentioned,
it's it's a majority of the storyline. When you talk
about Hunter Green, you talk about his greatness, but you
also talk about the injury side of things.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
And Hunter's a beast like like his size, his muscle
like he looks if you ever met Hunter Green, he
looks like a football player. You would think he's a
football player. And you watch him pitch and it doesn't
seem like he's he's trying that hard, which is part
of what makes him great. So I don't know what
the answer is. Something has to be and something has

(40:07):
to be reworked. And the other part there that Francona
said that I'm now starting to worry about is that
he doesn't think there's a lot of confidence in that
part of his body. Yeah, which to me translates to
there's a mental block for one Hunter Now your second guessing,
now you thinking about it, and does that affect you
on the mound and so on.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, let's wrap hour one with a phone call. When
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Welcome back. It is Sincy three sixty.

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means we have time for one more phone called to
wrap up the hour.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Mike is calling in. What's up Mike?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Hey, guys, thanks for sneaking me in here at the
last second. Appreciate it. I just left. I'm wanted to
mention this real because I just left the therapy session
with a bunch of actually younger veterans from the Afghan
and the Iraqi War. Some of these young guys, man,
you talk about brave young guys who really have a

(42:21):
good attitude with their disabilities and stuff. That's really incredible.
It makes it feel bad about, you know, complaining about
anything now. So proud of these young men and women.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
And it's important to.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Say that I listened to a lot of sports talk
around the country I have for a long time. And
the story what we're talking about, here's the guys you're
talking about, is not much different than twenty other cities.
Except for the top, say eighteen, it's pretty much the same.
Whether it's injuries, whether it's you know, we can't get

(42:58):
out of our own way, upper man who has been blows.
They can't pick the right players, So it's it's not
just the Red it's just everybody, and it's it's and then.
But the one thing that really hurts this team, I
think the mental lapses that they have. I don't know
if you can attribute it to being young or what.

(43:19):
That's starting to get a little old. But we're twenty
first in errors right now. We're averaging almost over half
an hour a game on the season, and that's not
going to cut it. You're not going to make the
playoffs doing that well. It is not. With any love,
without any lumber, you're not going to do it. Buston
would be a really great addition that to me.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Though, that's the issue with the Reds. It's one thing
to just not have the roster that's strong enough, but
when you don't have all of that at your disposal,
then you can't be a team that makes the airs
that the Reds make, whether that's fielding, whether it's base running,
whether it's non competitive at bats.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
You can't be both.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Because there are plenty of team where you look up
and down the roster and say, man, how is that
roster even competing? Well, they do the little things correct.
The problem with the Reds is the roster isn't there
and they're not doing enough of the little things in
my opinion, to allow them to be successful.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Yeah, it's you know, it's just frustrating, but it's it's
kind of almost comforting to know that fans all over
the place sure feeling the same way. So that's all
I got.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Guy, you have a blessed one, Mike, thank you, man,
have a great day. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I think, and I think from a perspective standpoint Austin,
there's probably not many people you know, in Cincinnati that
want to hear well other cities go through it because
people are starving for success here in Cincinnati. But I
think the general point of yes, there are a handful
of teams that are going to be competing every year.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
How do you shrink the gap?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
How do you become a team that's competing, well, you
got to start by not beating yourself. And there are
way too many instances where this team beats themselves. I
think you can go case in point of what they
did last night. And if you are an organization or
a team that is consistently beating themselves, then your margin
for air shrinks. And when the roster is not anywhere

(45:13):
near competitive to where it needs to be when you're
talking about playoffs or World Series, you have to you
have to find ways to help that margin out. And
the Reds just aren't helping themselves out in that sense.
And then the injuries happen, and then the setbacks happen,
and it just continues to pile on and it leads
to what we've seen through forty six and forty five now,

(45:35):
which is inconsistent Baseball still questioning who is this team?
So let's try to figure that out when we come back.
Let's ask Joe Daneman, who is this team?

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(47:43):
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right now.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Hello, Joe, gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
Inevitably, what happens is Jeremy does something that I do
and does it better. It makes me look bad. I'm
here to take my l and here to hear all
the talkbackers say, bring Jeremy back.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Somebody used the phrase Joe Bledsoell last week and Jeremy
Brady and I just I wonder, do you feel an
added pressure for today's segment that maybe you haven't felt
in previous segments.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Yeah, I do feel some pressure. I do feel some
pressure on this one. And I'll say this too about Jeremy,
and I know how far you could throw football. That
dude's got a stan it Okay, if you go through
the archives of my Twitter, there was a controversy a
few years ago when the Reds played up in Iowa
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(48:45):
he wasn't and question his throwing motion. And then I
posted a video of Jeremy taking a baseball from home
plate throwing it into the corn. And I also have
a video on Twitter somewhere. I think Jeremy's throwing a
football like fifty yards. Dud's got an arm man. But yeah,
I do feel pressure. But I'm ready right.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I'm struggling today with the Reds. Joe because of the
performance and I believe you used the term flat when
talking about what the Reds did last night. This team
in general, when you look at the roster, is this
a bad team that has a few good pieces and
they're overperforming. Are they a good team that at still

(49:26):
times is underperforming. Which way would you lean?

Speaker 6 (49:30):
Well, I'll settle on last night because we do this
right when teams disappoint in a moment that that fans
kind of pull out as a big week. And I
kind of got the feeling from talking to the guys
inside the clubhouse that they understood the importance of this week,
speaking with Matt McClain and speaking with Andrew Abbott yesterday.

(49:52):
They understand what's in front of them, the opportunity here
to stock pile wins and put themselves in a good
position going to the All Star break and starting, you know,
the final seventy or so games of the season. I
land on disappointing, I know, lifeless, uninspired, flat, All those
things have been thrown out from last night's game. But

(50:14):
for this team to understand the moment, to understand what
they just dealt with on Sunday in Philadelphia, to come
back and have one of those games and we know it.
There's gonna be ten or twelve games every single year
at one hundred and sixty two game seasons where you
just don't have it, where you show up and the
other team just is better that night, And I think

(50:37):
that game falls into that bucket. But considering the moment
and understanding where they were and where they need to
go in this week, it just felt disappointing for them
to have that kind of performance. Now, to answer your
question on what they are, I don't know. And I
think that's that's a little bit concerning now ninety one

(50:58):
games into a season and is still not knowing exactly
what they are, who they are, what they will be.
You know, I said earlier in the year that you know,
we've been trying to figure out what they are. They're
just inconsistent and it doesn't matter sometimes who they're playing,
it doesn't matter who's pitching against them. You just don't
know what you're going to get from this team. And

(51:20):
what I think is most concerning and also most interesting
about this team is how they ebb and flow as
a whole. It's not just the entire team gets or
the entire team seems to get hotter, but the entire
team seems to be cold. It's not three or four
guys who get hot together or cold together, and the
other group or the rest of the group can pick
up for them that they seem to ebb and flow

(51:42):
too much as a unit. And I think that's really
coming to bite them right now as we look at
a team that's ninety one games into a season.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
When you look at a team and where they are
a lot of the conversation this time of the year
circles back to, well, what are they going to be
at the trade deadline? If we're unsure about who this
team after is is after ninety one games? Would one
edition do you think ultimately change this team's fate? Because
that's where I land myself now of are they buyers,

(52:13):
are they sellers?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
What do they do? Do they wait to get healthy?

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Is the addition of one player, maybe one outfield in
a power back, would that be enough that that would
move the needle for this team?

Speaker 6 (52:24):
Maybe? And I think there's two ways to look at
it and to answer it for part one, And the
first way would be, you know, what's the one position
or the one thing this team needs? And you said
the right handed power bat. I don't think it necessarily
has to be an outfield, or it could be a
third basement, because third base, to me, this feels like
this this merry go round of just mid and they

(52:48):
can't figure it out at this point. And we all
know that there's a lot of stock in Nouel Bee
Marte's future, that this guy could be a good player,
Christian Encarnacio and Strand has ability to hit the ball
out of the ballpark and this team doesn't have a
lot of power, and he does bring that to this team.
But would a guy like au Henniosuarez make a difference

(53:12):
for this team? And you know, I was kind of
kicking that around yesterday because everybody's always landed on they
need a right handed outfield back, what about third base?
And what au Hennio Swarez is doing? And right now,
Arizona's right on the Reds heels and the wild card race,
so I'm not sure if they're going to be sellers.
But he's got an affordable contract. The Reds I think
could move pieces to get someone like him, But are

(53:36):
you going to give up accets for what would be
a rental? Because his contracts up at the end of
the year, So I think yes, quite honestly, I do
think a right handed power back, whether it's a third
base and the outfield, would put this team in position
to hang around longer, get them to September and have
a shot at making a run at this thing. But

(53:57):
the other way of looking at it is maybe not
even just looking at the deadline as a way to
help this team, but to also help the organization in
the future. We've seen them do that in the past.
And I'll pull out the Scott Roland trade. The Scott
Roland trade wasn't made for that season. It was made
for a team that was on the cusp of doing
something maybe the next year. And so the Reds have

(54:18):
a lot of assets. We know that they have a
lot of assets and the pitching staff. Austin talked earlier
about some of the untouchable names that would agree with
some of those names. But at some point this team's
going to think, I think gonna have to make a
bold move with one of those assets and the pitching
staff to give them what they don't have offensively, and

(54:38):
that's someone who can help prevent this team. Give them
another star, another bat with pop that can help this
team prevent from going in these long droughts as a team,
and I think it's going to take a bold move.
Whether it's this year, making a move for this year,
or whether it's making a move for the future. I
would like to see them move one of their assets,

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could do something that's bold, that's different. Even if it
doesn't necessarily help them get over the hump this year,
maybe it does set them up for something next year.
And I think that's something I'd like to see this
team do.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
There are so many pieces of this team, Joe that
are young in their career. We're trying to figure out
who is Noova Marte, who is Cees Spencer's tyear, Ellie
de la Cruz, Matt McClain. You can go up it
down the list. For a couple of years now, we've
asked the same question. What about the leadership side? What
about you mentioned a guy like Scott Roland. I thought
Scott Roland was just as important off the field as
he was on the field. Miguel Cairo, who's now the

(55:33):
internm manager of the Nationals. There were videos of Joey
Vado sitting down in the dugout with Will Benson and
with Elie de la Cruz and last year I think
we said, well, that's Jonathan India, He's not here. Who
do the Reds have right now in the clubhouse in
your opinion, from a leadership standpoint, at a position player spot,

(55:54):
that is that leader for these young players.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
So the problem is, and the guys you mentioned were
all Star players, they're they're All Star players, They're they're
MVP caliber players. They're they're guys that command respect because
of what they've done. And the issue is the red
best players are all guys who just are in their
second or third year or maybe fourth year in Major

(56:18):
League Baseball. And I think you can pick out a
couple of guys just from being around the team that
that I believe could fit that. You know, I'm not
inside that room behind closed doors, but guys like a TJ. Friedel,
guys like a Tyler Stevenson who have been around a
little bit longer than the Ellis and the Plains. Those
guys have the kind of personality and just the years

(56:42):
in the league. It feels like to me that could
take on a role like that. But isn't this what
Terry Francona is here for. Yeah, I mean he's a
guy that's taking teams to World series in one World Series,
and he's one pennance and he's won, you know, almost
two thousand games. It kinds of kind of it feels
like to me that that's that's who he is, and

(57:02):
that's what he's here for, is to help bridge these
young players and kind of bring that experience in that
intangible that that maybe they're missing without a Joey Bado
or a Scott Rowland. So I'm not saying that Terry
isn't delivering on that, but but I think you also
have to look to him. And it's not just guys
in the room, it's also the guy that's in the

(57:26):
room next to the room that that can really help
with things like that. And and I think, you know,
we can do this. We can be reactionary right to
the one game last night where it was disappointing and
it was it was lifeless and there was no energy,
And you can go back to Sunday and the Zach
Wheeler and you can go to the three game stretch
and them scoring you know, one run in three straight games.

(57:47):
But I do caution people to be overreactionary to every
single Reds game, because there are going to be stretches,
They're gonna be moments during a season. The LA Dodgers
have lost four games in a row, and no one's
pushing the panic button on the LA Dodgers. This team
very well could win the rest of this week, and

(58:07):
you feel good about where they are because they would
be seven games over five hundred. So I get where
you know. It kind of feels like the fan base
reacts so much to one night and one game because
of what's happened in recent years, and it feels like
every game against the beatable team that gets away feels

(58:27):
like an opportunity loss because there's not a margin for
error with this team. And I get all that, but
I do ask people just to hold on here, okay,
and let's see what happens tonight, and let's see what
happens to the rest of the series. Let's see what
happens against the Rockies, because there's a shot here for
this team to get that momentum back and turn the

(58:48):
fan base around and be in a good position at
the end of the week. We'll see where they are.
But yeah, I think Kerry Francona, guys, also has to
be a part of that equation of leadership and that
in tan that certainly this young team needs.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
We're always trying to test the waters and engage the
temperature where things are at, and you know we were patient.
We've seen the resurgent of Spencer stear He's up to
two fifty four. He's got himself in a good position.
You're going to go through ups and downs during the season.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
TJ.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Friedel's in a seven of forty slump right now, But
that happens in baseball. Do you view it differently with
what's going on with Matt McClain right now? He just
hasn't seemed to be able to figure it out in
the two holes. He's barely above two hundred right now.
Oh for his last eighteen where's your level of concern?
Ninety one games in with Matt McClain.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
Yeah, I just can't figure it out why it's not
clicking for him this year and ninety one games into it,
I'm starting to I'm starting to believe he's just not
going to have the kind of season that we thought
he could. And look, he's too far in a hole
that he's going to bounce back and put up the
kind of numbers that we hope he would put up,

(59:56):
but even from here on out that I don't think
this team can rely on him as one of the
cornerstone players for the rest of this year as far
as production goes for them to get to where they
want to go. And I think the two biggest issues
for this team right now are and it goes fall
on Matt McClain unfortunately, or what's going on with Matt McClain.

(01:00:18):
Why can't he produce and play at the level that
everybody who follows this team knows he's capable of playing.
And also they can't figure out who to hit a
number two and find a person consistently there. Because if
Matt McClain were being Matt McClain, he were right, you're
killing both of those birds with one stone. Because he

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feels like he slides in perfectly to that position when
he's going right, and he's had some moments this year,
but it's not been consistent enough for me to think
he's going to break out of it and be a
guy that can help carry this team through stretches. And
that's important for this team because it feels like Elie
d la Cruz has been consistently good throughout this season.

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I don't think Ellie's been consistently spectacular, but he's been
consistently good. And the question is who is the other
one or two star that or expected star that can
step up and go with Ellie at any particular time.
We've seen stretches this year where TJ. Friedel has been
that guy. There have been stretches where Spencer Steer has

(01:01:23):
been that guy. Matt McClain needs to be that guy
for this team. He needs to be for a week.
I mean, Will Benson's had a week, right, Will Benson
helped carry this team for a week. Why can't Matt
McClain be one of those guys that steps up and
has a week or two in the second half of
the season that helps this team and supplements what Ellie's

(01:01:44):
doing on a consistent basis. And that goes back to
my original point where it feels like this entire group
they ebb and flow too much as a whole instead
of individual players who can step out of slumps and
help carry this team along with Ellie de la Cruz.
So I'm concerned. I mean, it's ninety one games into
this thing. We're well passed the halfway point, and Matt

(01:02:05):
McClain just hasn't looked like what we expected. Certainly, I'm
not concerned about what he's going to be. I'm still
very much all in on Matt McClain being a great
player in Cincinnati for a long time, and I would
buy the stock right now if I could for his career.
I am worried about what it's going to look like
for the rest of the season because it's just not

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clicking this year for Matt McClean for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
How concerned are you about Hunter Green who now has
had another MRI but it's apparently clean, but they're pushing
back his rehab date. What do you think is going
on there?

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
You know, this thing was weird to me because what
was up with the timing of Hunter Green supposed to
be pitching tonight in Columbus to get him back for
what one start maybe Sunday against the Colorado Rockies before
the All Star break. To me, the timing of this
always felt just a little bit off, like why not

(01:03:06):
use the extra week that comes with the All Star break?
It almost feels like a team rushing back a star
player of the week before a bye week when you
could use the bye week to help get that player
all the way right coming back from it, and it's
against the Rockies that you could hopefully right pitch anybody

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and have a really good chance of beating Colorado on
Sunday in the last game before the All Star breaks.
So that, to me was my biggest question of the
timeline of getting Hunter Green to start here and maybe
getting them back for the Colorado game on Sunday. Maybe
I'm wrong, Maybe they were going to stretch him out
to two starts in the minor leagues and then look
to getting him ready for the start of the second

(01:03:47):
half of the season. It's interesting, I thought. Terry Francona
explained it actually pretty well in the post game last night,
where he said, look, the MRI is clean, but Hunter
kind of still feel something there isn't isn't fully confident,
And it might be because when that muscle gets fatigued,

(01:04:08):
he starts to feel a little bit more so, Yeah, concerned.
Because of the track record and you talked about it Austin.
Charlie Goldsmith wrote about it that it's become part of
Hunter's story that he missed two months in twenty twenty three.
He missed a month last year and now he's missing
significant time this year. So kind of like Matt McClain, sure, yeah,

(01:04:30):
I think you would be burying your head in the
sand if you weren't concerned about this. But to me
that the timing of what they were trying to do
here kind of felt a little bit odd to me.
And then do it a little bit of time now
another week to kind of let this thing calm down
and then look at it next week and start to
get Hunter back for the early part of the second half.

(01:04:51):
But that's if everything goes to plan and Hunter continues
to progress. And I think everybody listening to this and
watching the would still be kind of a seed better
than I hear, and I'll believe it would Hunter's back
out on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
We don't have to dive into the game by game specifics,
but today is Big twelve media Day. I know there's
no media poll that's going to come out, but this
UC Bearcat football team, Joe returns their starting quarterback. They
return an NFL caliber If you follow along with Todd McShay,
he had him a first round tight end and Joe Royer,
Dante Corleone, and a host of other guys that returned

(01:05:30):
from last year year two of a defensive coordinator, Scott
Sadderfield said, it's easiest, easily his best roster since he's
been the coach at the University of Cincinnati. Where do
you set your expectations for And I know it's hard
because of the portal and not getting to see them
until camp comes around, But where are you setting your
expectations right now for UC football?

Speaker 6 (01:05:52):
Yeah? I would be uncomfortable setting expectations until I see
exactly what they are when I see them on the
field at summer training in the start of fall practice.
But when you have a corps returning of two all
Big twelve players in Joe Royer and Dante Corleoni, guys
who are going to play in the NFL, you have

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and sometimes can be rare in college football these days.
A quarterback who's coming back in the same role as
he was last year and understands the offense and has
worked with the same quarterbacks or worked with the same
head coach, I think you have to put expectations higher
than what they were last year of a five and
seven team, and certainly going back to Scott Souderfield's first

(01:06:40):
year of a three win team, and so eight wins
this first two years, when you have a core of
a quarterback and then two star players who are going
to play in the league, I think expectations better be
a Bowl game for this team, because otherwise, if they're
not winning six games this year, they're not progressing forward.
I think that's the important part of what we're looking

(01:07:02):
for with the Scott Sadderfield era is show signs of improvement.
I don't think anybody expects them to win nine or
ten games this year, but if they get to six
or seven wins in a big twelve conference, that isn't
what it used to be. I think you can hang
your hat on just a little bit of progress at

(01:07:23):
this point. But my opinion might change shirt will once
I see what this team looks like when they get
to fall camp. But right now, certainly outside of Scott
Stadderfield posting pictures of himself shirtless on the beach, so Scott,
there should be expectations that this team last week, Joe,

(01:07:47):
no one wants to see that, Bro, no one needs
to see that. Yeah, you know the problem is too
is I got two teenage sons, man, and those kids
are running around like, you know, running and jumping and
touching the him and doing I'm like, what, what's wrong
with me? I mean, this is the point of your
life you start to wonder how broken down am I
that my kids are running circles around me at this point? Terrible.

(01:08:10):
It's a hard place to be. Yeah, but but with
the core of a quarterback in two all conference players
who should be NFL players, Tony, I think expectations better
be a bowl game for the Bearcats.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Quarterback came out today on Netflix's Joe What are you
most looking forward to? And watching that series?

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
Well, I haven't watched it yet because I spent all
my day so far watching that golf fight clip on
Twitter and then getting on RC slow comes Wikipedia page
to clap back at falkbackers.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Don't get don't get.

Speaker 6 (01:08:41):
So I haven't had a chance to watch it yet.
But the funny thing is guy, yeah, that dude got
body has talked that much and then gets thrown in
the lake. What are we doing? The fact that the
guy was holding him and yelling bang because every hit
he hit that looks like me trying to fight Andrew Witt.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I thought he had what career do you barking at
I thought he had Mike Breen on the call while
he was fighting.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
Him Hakim a double bag. The two clips I was
looking forward to most are clips that I've already seen
on Twitter. And it was interesting because I saw a
transcript for a lot of the Quarterback Series before it
came out, and so I knew everything that Joe and

(01:09:27):
Zach Taylor said to each other on the sideline in Tennessee.
But that's that's the one moment I wanted to see.
Was we all were doing some flip reading that week,
but to see the emotion play out and see how
Zach would handle something like that, I thought it was interesting.
So I've seen that clip. And the other was I
wanted to see Joe and Louanna Roumo talk about Joe's

(01:09:49):
house being broken into and what Joe had to say
about that in the tone and the body language, and
if you go back and you watch it, my very
part of it is is the way that Louanna Roumo
reacts to when Joe tells him his Jory has been taken.
It is the most Staten Island delivery of a cussword

(01:10:09):
that you could ever imagine. It is so perfect I
just watched The Godfather over the weekend and it felt
like I was sitting there with the Corleonis watching lou
Anaarumo deliver that line. So look, I'm looking forward to
watching the series. Joe featured more than the other two
quarterbacks in this as he should be because he's the
biggest star of the three. But the two clips that

(01:10:30):
I wanted to see I've seen already and I'm looking
forward to watching the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Rest before I let you go here, Joe, Pip, the
folks at Sharp Football Analysis and the folks at Pro
Football Focus have both collaborated in they each rank the
Bengals offensive line thirty first going into this season. I
don't think they're the thirty first ranked offensive line.

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
They're not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
How much of a talking point will it become?

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Because I feel like so many times over the last
couple of years, the thing I end up talking about
most of training camp is the offensive line, and it's
hard to judge based on are they going live, what
a one on ones look like, who's practicing, who's not practicing.
Do you believe you're gonna find yourself focusing more on
the offensive line as we get the training camp.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Or is it a different position group to start.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
Yeah, first of all, I think they're they're wrong. They're
not the second worst offensive line in the NFL. Orlando
Brown's PSF ranking was plummeted by the guy playing with
a broken bone in his leg. So let's give the
guy a little bit of credit. He was playing great
football until he got hurt. I think we all have
a lot of confidence that Amarius men is going to
be a very good NFL player. So when you start

(01:11:41):
with two bookend tackles, that that a team should have confidence.
And I think they're in a decent spot with their
offensive line. I'll be honest, Tony. When you cut me
loose at a training camp asking me to evaluate offensive linemen,
it's like me asking me to get into a fight
with a guy on a golf course that's about six

(01:12:02):
inches taller than me. We're not gonna know, right. I
don't think we're going to know what they really are
until they really start playing real games. And you're talking
about a team now that's going to open this season
with Miles Garrett in a first round defensive lineman. That's
going to be the test. So I would say, ask
me after Week one in Cleveland, what I think of

(01:12:23):
this offensive line. But I do think the PFF grade
of ranking this team in this unit thirty first out
of thirty two is way off. I think the middle
of the pack on paper with some upside to be
better this season.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Joe Daneman, Fox nineteen. What do you got coming up
on Fox nineteen?

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Here, Joe, big plug.

Speaker 6 (01:12:45):
Reds are on Fox naxteam now tonight, Reds and Marlins
in a massive game for the Reds to save the
fan base. Kind of feels like that, but it's also
a big night for the Reds. We know what you
guys had the community fund guys on yesterday. It did
a great job. Red dot com slash Telethon will be
showing the game tonight and you can donate throughout the game,

(01:13:08):
So make sure you go there red dot com slash
Telethon and also check out the Red Tonight on Fox nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Now awesome stuff. As always, Joe, we appreciate you man.
We'll talk again next week.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Thanks Joe, am I welcome back next week. Yes, we'll
put it to the talk dot Yeah, I did it.
Thank you, Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
That is Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen. Your talkbacks come
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Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
For now, let's get to today's talkbacks.

Speaker 16 (01:14:25):
It's the Lord fron Or Destination in the Sky, you know.
Listening to yesterday's show, I think Tony's still having a
problem with the English language. Yesterday I heard him say
Anna Marie Island. It's Anna Maria Island. By the way, Tony,
I hope you have a good time in cest Key.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
You know, Tony has a problem with suffixes. We've talked
about this. Are we Are we doing things right?

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
If God is being critical of what we're saying on
this show his attention.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
In the right spot.

Speaker 11 (01:15:02):
Hy Tony, Hi Audi, It's Mosey from Fort Thomas, also
known as former talkbacker rold and Leitch. Today is my
fiftieth birthday. I just wanted to call in and say
I love the show. I listen every day. It allows
me to be even more part of the sports related conversation.
So thank you guys for that. I'll be out celebrating

(01:15:23):
at the Budweiser Moondeck tonight. So talkbackers and friends of
the show come say hi, bottoms up and go.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Red legs that happy fiftieth by any of them things. Congratulations,
happy birthday, Enjoy the game.

Speaker 17 (01:15:37):
Man, JP fifteen Atti damn MWt if I was, I
was watching the Reds game last night and that scenario
where Marte throws it home and they look like the
Bad News Bears. Yep, man, I am done considering this
team as a contender until I can watch multiple games
in a row and not.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
See stuff like that. It's utterly ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Major League teams should not have moments like that.

Speaker 12 (01:16:04):
Clean it up, boys, clean it up.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
I get maybe just an off day or but major
league team should not have as many moments like that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
As the Reds.

Speaker 18 (01:16:13):
Have you now, in years past, the Red Switch suffer
with the June swoon, but now it's the July lie.
We're all lying to ourselves that the Reds are actually
contenders of anything. Yeah, they're contending for fourth place.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Oh boy, again the July lie and the July Lie.
I kind of like that. I kind of like that
from Jim he might there might be some truth to that,
you know, kind of in response to Joe Daneman where
he's like, don't you know, get too upset about this,

(01:16:55):
like see how the rest of the series plays out.
I get where he's coming from. But also, this is
what we've been talking about from the very beginning for
ninety one games. Yeah, if you go and get blood
work done and there's a bunch of issues with your blood,
are you gonna be like, well, I'll see how I
feel at the end of this week, but I'll keep
eating like crap and I'll not exercise and blah blah

(01:17:17):
blah blah blah. No, eventually, you know you have a
potential fatal flaw. It's gonna catch up to you. Correct.
And that's what I think the issue is with this team.

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
What's up, guys, mccahune in Kentucky.

Speaker 19 (01:17:30):
Lance said post game last night, one hundred and twenty innings.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
And burns his cap.

Speaker 19 (01:17:34):
Why don't we want to stop coddling these guys and
saving the arms and the innings for the Dodgers and
the Yankees one day when they play for them. And
I'm tired of seeing these bum relievers run out there
every night too.

Speaker 17 (01:17:43):
If you're a starting pitcher, you got to go seven.

Speaker 19 (01:17:46):
Innings or you don't get a full game check at now,
That's why I look at it. And the American dream
is to get paid, get suspended with pay. Well, that's
pretty much what Hunter Green does because this guy, if
he don't pitch, I wasn't paid.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Dang it a lot.

Speaker 20 (01:18:01):
This DJ hey, guys, did you have something to think?
So I'll just keep it this DJ Hey, guys, you're
you're right on top of it there, thank you. There's
always gonna be guys that are out injured always. You'll
get some back and you'll lose some more. You have
to be able to deal with that.

Speaker 13 (01:18:18):
And the only thing that'll change it is as long
as people keep showing up to Bark in the park
and it keeps showing up because another truckload of bibbleheads
came in. Nothing's going to change here because it doesn't
need to. And if we're more excited about all stars
and actually winning, something will continue in this rut.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Okay, not a bad way to put it.

Speaker 12 (01:18:40):
Hello, this is former President Ronald Regan. And well, I
know for a fact that when Terry Francona managed the
Red Sox that there was a list of players that
he and GM theo Epstein tried to acquire to bring
senior leadership to the clubhouse. I asked Terry if he
knew where this list was these days. He said, we

(01:19:00):
all know there never was a list. It never existed,
and don't ask about it again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
I like it, the theo Epstein list.

Speaker 14 (01:19:14):
I'll tell you who that quote unquote leader of the
clubhouse is. You guys are searching for Let me tell
you you're looking for love and all the wrong places.

Speaker 21 (01:19:21):
Baby.

Speaker 14 (01:19:22):
His name's Edwin Rios is down Interstate seventy one. Yep,
get him up here, plethora. Now, this guy's a dinosaur
in nineteen ninety four. Jeez, let him. You don't have
to play. Just let the guys pick his brain. You
know what I'm saying, also, Hunter Green doesn't sleep right.
He needs a timperpedic. Look at all of his injuries.

(01:19:42):
He don't sleep well. McClean.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I think it really comes back to that injury he had.

Speaker 22 (01:19:49):
I mean, you know, when you're a young guy like
that in your first couple of years, like having an
injury like that, that pretty much you're rehabbing an entire
offseason and not able to work on anything. As a
young player. I think that really sets you back like
a whole year because you think about the whole league
as he has that off season to catch up on you,
but while you're rehabby, you don't have you time to
catch up on map. So I think he's just behind

(01:20:09):
the year. He'll be fine next year.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
I hope he's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Okay, let's help, let's help for me.

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
Mc Hello.

Speaker 15 (01:20:22):
Yeah, I'm dealing with some PTSD. I went to a red,
white and blue ash. I'm in my bunker. Is it
safe to come out yet? I got my transistor radio
some peanut butter. Hey, I was listening to Joe Danim Okay,

(01:20:42):
you guys had a vander Now you're going back to Acosta. Hey,
do you know Austin Hayes's middle name purple Ye.

Speaker 21 (01:20:52):
The tale as old as time. Cincinnati Reds get hot
in June and then fizzle out in July. We thought
coming home playing seven games against two really bad teams
before the All Star Break would help. Doesn't look good
so far. They looked about as good against Junk yesterday
as they did to Wheeler the day before. Your Cincinnati

(01:21:12):
Red Legs twenty twenty five squad ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (01:21:19):
Shout out a lout to talk back guy, and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
That's pretty good. Well, I'll add I'll add that to
the hopper. He struggled to say.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
Tony Body John for Virginia.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
Man, we gotta buy low of these bear Cats.

Speaker 10 (01:21:37):
They're gonna mess around and win the Big twelve this year,
Big twelve Offensive Player.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
Of the Year.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
What we got cats by ninety baby? Okay?

Speaker 9 (01:21:48):
I like this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Hunter Green with a clean MRI, but still can't pitch,
and he wants to be our late tech salesman.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
I don't even know what that means. I don't think
I want to. It was our last one, all right,
very good. Joe's right about timing. It doesn't make sense
to bring him back for one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Yeah, that hearing him bring that up. I hadn't even
thought about that yet. Why were we trying to get
him started?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
I mean I made the assumption he would pitch at
least twice in triple A, so maybe, you know, never
coming back to the big League. That was my general assumption.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
But surely they weren't going to try to get him
back before the All Star break, as Joe said, to
pitch against the Rockies.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Yeah, well, not that that matters.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Yeah, just doesn't seem like could be a smart test.
When you can't score, anybody can beat you. When you
can't score. You can't score.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
There's an old saying out there that says, if we score,
we might win. If they don't score, we can't lose.
Say one more time, if we score, we might win.
If they don't score, we can't lose. Okay, I got that.
Write that down. You got that. We'll use that for
future reference. Tony has a trivia question for today because

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we're giving away a pair of upper deck golf tickets.
That's right, Upper deck golf is returning to Great American
Ballpark coming up in July. I believe it's July seventeenth
through the nineteenth, and we've got a pair of tickets
to give away that you you can win if you

(01:23:22):
correctly answer Tony's trivia question. Five one three seven four nine,
fifteen thirty is the phone number. It's Upper Deck Golf
where you can te off inside of Great American Ballpark
July seventeenth through the nineteenth. It is a three day
only event. It will sell out. You can learn more
at upperdeckgolf dot com. There's gonna be exclusive PXG clubs,

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You're gonna get golf balls, there's gonna be birdie rings.
Everything you could possibly imagine is gonna be there at
Upper Deck Golf at Great American Ballpark. You call in
right now five one three seven four nine, fifteen thirty,
and if you can answer the question correctly that Tony
will pose to this great nation of talkback and Cincy

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three sixty listeners, then you'll go home with a couple
of tickets for Upper Deck Golf. That's happening next.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Bump Bump bu on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Thanks to our friends here at Cincy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Shirtsy Cincinnati to make us the number, eighteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
All right, let's go, man.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
We got upper Deck tickets to give away at Great
American Ballpark. It's Cincy three to sixty. Thanks to our
friends at Cincy Shirts. Thank you for listening on ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station Austin. All of the all
of our listeners need to know today is some Cincinnati
Reds baseball history.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
That's fantastic. Who should we start with? Well, you know what,
We're spread all throughout the city today. We've got Jade
and Cincinnati Jamie's and Norway. It fills over infinny Town.
How about Marlin over on the west side, and Ryan
all the way down in Lexington in the Bluegrass State.
But we're gonna start with Jade because he's been on
hold the longest. And Jade joins us. Now, Hello, Jade,

(01:25:13):
are you prepared.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
A lead off man?

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
All right, well, I'll give you a hint. The name
I'm looking for was not the leadoff batter.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
So here's that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
On this date, Jade, in Red's history, the Reds beat
the Indians fourteen to five. I need the name of
a Reds player who hit two home runs on that
fateful evening when the Reds beat the Guardians at the time,
Indians fourteen to five.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
Let's go man, we'll go Griffy no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Wow, can you be more specific? It is believable, Jade,
your head laid off, nailed it. I don't even think
Tony gave you the year. No, didn't even give didn't
even give the year.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
History, Jade said, I don't need that date. Don't need
that dag gun. Are you a good golfer?

Speaker 12 (01:26:15):
Jade?

Speaker 6 (01:26:17):
Hey, man, I try, I'm under a hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
So all right, okay, all right, good, yeah, Well, Jake,
congratulate hold on for me. I'm gonna get your information
in just a second.

Speaker 5 (01:26:29):
I appreciate it. Fellas.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
There you go. How about Jane just throwing a shot
in the dark. Yeah, I was checking out some of
the details on upper deck golf. Players will complete a
nine whole round of golf in a forsome around the ballpark.
I thought it was like you go up in a
bay and you hit golf. That's what I thought. No,
you're playing a nine whole round of golf in a

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foresome around the ballpark. I didn't know that each player
will receive their balls and a scorecard so they can
record their score at each stop around the ballpark. Shots
landing on the designated green will result in a par off.
The green is a bogie. Within the inner circle around
the pen is a birdie, and a lucky few may

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even score a hole in one.

Speaker 12 (01:27:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
It says which clubs can I use? If you're thinking
about going, Only sand wedge, pitching wedge, nine iron and
eight iron will be allowed inside the stadium. No fairways
or fairway metals will be allowed within the ballpark for
safety purposes. You are welcome bring your own clubs, but
is not necessary as standard clubs will be available for

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players to use at each tea box. That makes sense.
How about that? That makes sense? I did not realize.
How about me just doing a little bit of research
and you actually get to move around to the different
spots of the ballpark. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
And Jade's going to get to handle all of that.
Jade's going to be the guy doing it. How about
this that m and MAVs in seven, that they pair
them up together that fateful evening July eighth, two thousand,
the Reds, after winning, moved to forty three and forty
three on the year. The Indians at the time now
the Guardians forty three and forty two, both teams were

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second in their respective divisions. Listen to some of these stats,
though often as the Reds built it out fourteen runs
on seventeen hits. You remember Chris Steins, of course, five
hits and six at bats for the Christy good night
for Oldstein's Barry Larkin. He went oh for one on
the game. It was an off night for Barry. Yeah,
Ken Griffy Junr was four for six eight RBIs. He's

(01:28:31):
pretty good in the game. He's pretty Sean Casey had
a multi hit night. The Mayor Eddie Taubinsey had a
multi hit night, Pokey Reese a multi hit night. And
if you remember back then, the pitchers they actually had
to hit. Yeah, Steve Parris was on the mound that
night for the Reds. Really Steve Paris for the Reds.

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He moved to five and eleven and brought his era
down to five point twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Oh my guess, upset of the centuries. Unbelievable about Steve unbelievable?
How about that? So yes, awesome there from Jade. You
mentioned Barry Larkin. Yeah, did you know that Ellie daily
Cruz is the first Red shortstop to make back to
back All Star appearances since Barry Larkin in ninety nine

(01:29:18):
and two thousand. How about that? Isn't that amazing? How
about that?

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Should we transition this for a few minutes into our
Postman Law injury report to that by our friends at
Postman Law. Yeah, why don't you do that? And you're
gonna get Jade's information. Postman delivers. The major news for
the Cincinnati Reds is Hunter Green. The Reds announced on
Monday that hunter Green went through another MRI. It did
not reveal any significant damage, but Red's manager Terry Francona

(01:29:47):
did note that the right hander is likely experienced fatigue,
still needs to get some confidence going with the injury,
So hunter Green I would assume a small setback, not
gonna hear much, probably until after the all s our
break I would assume for hunter Green. Outside of that,
I believe the only other update was of Jake Frayley

(01:30:08):
for the Cincinnati Reds. They sent him to a rehab
assignment earlier today to Triple A Louisville and transferred the
rehab assignment of right handed pitcher Carson Spires to Louisville
as well. So that right now is the latest on
where the Cincinnati Reds stand from an injury standpoint that

(01:30:31):
thanks to our friends at Postman Law, injured Postman Delivers,
you can call eight four to four Postman and get
your help today. So injury front, that's where the red
sit going into it. Would you tonight's game?

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
I'm sorry, I was talking to Jade there. Did you
talk about Jake Frayley? Yes, okay, good's that's a good thing. Yeah,
I didn't. I thought Jake Frayley was like gonna be
done for the year. Well, if you follow along with
Nick Crawl, we're just waiting on Jake Frayley at this point.
Maybe once Jake Frayley gets back. What I love about
baseball is that if your team loses a couple of

(01:31:03):
games in a row, yeah, it feels like they're never
going to win again. It does, And if they win
a couple of games, it feels like you have the
best team on them.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
But isn't there times though, where it feels like like
how many times this year have the Reds gone down?
Let's say last night when it went to three to one,
you just assume that game was over, and yet there
are other stretches where it feels like a deficit is nothing. Yeah,
more times than not. Unfortunately for this year's team, it's
been that the deficit is too much. Well, the last

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run deficit feels like five. The last couple weeks or months,
they had shown the ability to actually come back in
those games.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Yeah, you know what I mean, and.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
You thought, Okay, they still got a chance. Last night,
at no point that I think, oh, they got a
good shot in this. Yeah, last night it was like
when it was two to one, I was like, oh boy, yep,
turn out the lights, this party's over. Turn off the lines.
That's where we're at. Here's where we're at when we
come back. Doctor William Barrett, the Cincinnati Cancer Foundation, they

(01:32:05):
are doing. When I say unbelievable work, it doesn't even
begin to describe what they are doing and how they
are impacting so many. We'll talk about how they're impacting
so many here in the area, and we'll also talk
about some events that they got coming up, the Steve
Abbott Memorial Golf Classic and Ride Cincinnati. We'll dive into
all of that and some really feel good stuff that

(01:32:26):
Doctor William Barrett has going on to kick off our
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Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
All right, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
It is our number three on SINCY three sixty and
we got a special guest to kick off our number
three today in studio, which is always more special than
over the phone, even though we don't want to disparage
our over the phone callers as well. But uh, doctor
Bill Bairtt of the Cincinnati Cancer Foundation is joining us today.
There are some really cool events, meaningful events that are

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coming up, but also just what's going on with Cincinnati
Cancer Advisors and the Foundation in itself. So one, we
appreciate you joining us today and stopping in. Thanks so
much for having me, really appreciate being here. Thanks Tony
the Cincinnati Cancer Foundation. Just just talk about what led
into wanting to get that started and wanting to make

(01:33:43):
the impact that you guys are making already.

Speaker 23 (01:33:45):
Sure are a lot of people in the city are
doing a lot of things they can to try and
improve the prognosis of people with cancer. And nobody wants
this diagnosis, but if you have to face his adversary,
we want Tonightty'd be the very best place in the
world to be.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
So we're lucky here.

Speaker 23 (01:33:58):
We have a lot of great nurse physicians, technicians, therapists
about the city, excellent hospitals, excellent medical offices. But something
that had occurred to me a while back was something
that could be helpful, that could add benefit, would be
a completely objective second opinion from somebody who's not going
to assume treatment, assume the actual care. And so often

(01:34:19):
somebody has a new cancer diagnosis and there one another opinion,
and very often they go out of town. It's inconvenient,
it's expensive, the quality is quite variable. There may or
may not be communication with the local physicians. If somebody
goes from multiple opinions, they almost never talk to each other,
often just adding to confusion for often conflicting suggestions. And
very importantly, there's almost always an attempt to recruit the

(01:34:40):
patient to the new place for cares and it's frankly
that's where the revenue is. So the concept was since
that Cancer Advisors was to be the opposite of all
that local, convenient, no charge whatsoever, so no financial barriers
for anybody. Platinum level consultation the physicians spend literally two
hours face to face the patient and family, answer every
question immediately called the treating oncologists discuss the patient and

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our group are very well connected nationally, have a great network,
so they'll call around see who has expertise with a
particular problem. Really that the treating oncologist, and there's no
attempt to change the patient's place of care, so it's
consultation only gives it this ultimate honest broker approach.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
You feel with cancer. And unfortunately nowadays everyone in some
way or another is impacted by cancer and their family
and where things are at. And I think what comes
up far too often is the feeling of maybe being
alone when you get a diagnosis like that, and to
your point, you think about where are we going to go,
what's the insurance look like, what's it going to cost?
And you worry about so much more than just the

(01:35:41):
actual care and the person themselves seeing it firsthand and
what it is able to give these patients. It's a
peace of mind and a lot of times it's hope
and a path forward. You mentioned that the two hour
consultation actually feel like a human and not just a number.
It's you're being filed somewhere else from start to finish.

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That has to be one of the more rewarding sides
of this is to see the impact it makes from
a diagnosis that so many times leads someone to feel alone.

Speaker 23 (01:36:11):
Absolutely, and you've hit the nail on the head in
many respects here and when somebody receives this diagnosis, all
the questions that go through your mind, You know, what
do I have to go through? What's our prognosis? This
now life changing event? And one of our taglines is
great care begins the great plan. And once the plan
is in place that the patient and your family are
confident with, mentally, things get easier. And it's remarkable what

(01:36:34):
we are honored to see the very best in human
nature on a daily Basishere, people are going along, life
is fine. All of a sudden, this life changing, potentially
a life threatening diagnosis is amazing. So often how quickly
people quickly change to fighter mode and it courage, the grace,
the dignity people show going through this and helping get
from family, imurse, their friends, and on the professional side,

(01:36:56):
all the professionals and the medical personnel that collaborate for
the patient's bat interest. And so that is the idea
is for people to have hope, to have a plan,
and so often these days we have ways to go
with cancer. But things are getting better and better yea.
And people's proagnosis is a lot better now that it
was twenty years ago with this disease.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
When you look at obviously what you guys are trying
to do, it it doesn't just happen for nothing. There
are obviously money that needs to be raised to continue
to do what you guys are doing. And there's obviously
a lot of ways that you can support Cincinnati Cancer's Advisors.
But I know you guys got some events coming up
as well that people can attend or people can sponsor
as well. Let's start with the Steve Abbott Memorial Golf Classic.

(01:37:35):
I know this is newly renamed the Cincinnati Cancer Foundations.
I believe executive director who went through a decade long
battle with prostate cancer. Unfortunately passed last year, but talk
a little bit about the Golf Classic and everything coming
up in August.

Speaker 23 (01:37:51):
Now, the Golf Classic started as Bearcats and Muskies against Cancer,
with the symbolism that if the two biggest rivals in
the city can collaborate on thing, than still can all
the health systems.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
And that was the idea.

Speaker 23 (01:38:02):
And so the Bearcats and Muski's against Cancer Golf Outing
has been a great event for the last several years.
And then Steve very unforcingly passed away last summer and
incredibly courageous person who battled prostate cancer for ten years
and everything anybody could possibly do, and had tremendous family
and support. And it's our honor to name this this

(01:38:23):
tournament in his name.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Now, now I know that in the tournament, our guy
John John from Kiss one of seven is going to
be doing the heckel hole. Is this your idea? Have
you experienced a heckle hole at any point before?

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
No, this is new.

Speaker 12 (01:38:34):
This is new.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
It's interesting because there are so many people. Golf is
this private, quiet event, and now you got someone that's
going to make fun of you on the whole. But
it does add a very cool aspect to this but
it is a day that you can obviously get together,
you have fun, but when you're doing that and also
at the end of the day knowing that you're making
a difference and that you're impacting, and there are many
different ways to make that impact, but it does go

(01:38:57):
a long way to have events like this building throughout
the year that that can help raise the money necessary
to do what you're doing.

Speaker 23 (01:39:03):
That's right, and so we had the Sistant Cancer Foundation,
which is what funds Cinstant Cancer Advisors. And personally, I've
never taken a dine from this whole thing. My involvement
since starting this ten years ago has been totally on
a voluntary basis. But we have absolutely first rate personnel.
We have world class posicians, nurse practitioners, nurses, medical assistants,
and so they get a salary as they should, and

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so to be able to afford the incredibly high level
of expertise we have throughout this group, it requires funding.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
The Steve Abbott Memorial Golf Classic is August twenty fifth,
and then in September, September thirteenth, you guys have Ride Cincinnati.
I believe this has been around since two thousand and seven.
Talked a little bit more about what Ride Cincinnati is.

Speaker 23 (01:39:44):
Yeah, right, since I started, unfortunately, Marlene Harris passed away
from breast cancer. Yeah, and her husband, Harvey, doctor Harvey Harris,
Avid bicycle rider and with his daughter Allison, got together
and my sister in law Aleen, who had had rest cancer,
and they got together and decided to have a benefit
bicycle ride to benefit cancer research in the area. And

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historically the funds have gone almost exclusively for research, and
this year we're opening up. This year it's going to
be there will be funding available for not just research
research for sure, basic science research, clinical research, but in
addition to that clinical care and education. So open to
every health system, every cancer organization. So if anybody in

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the city has the idea they want to have a
prominent speaker come in and speak and need funding for it.
If somebody has an idea for helping patients get transportation
to a particular medical facility, just get help with that.
If somebody has a basic science or clinical idea, they
need to have initial funding to see if the idea
has fruition, and so that's the idea. So people will

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have the opportunity and this is open to the whole city.
Anybody who participates in the ride is involved with the
cancer organization can apply for a grant, and then we'll
have a review committee composed across the city of really
experienced people in the cancer realm. The will decide worthy
grants anywhere from five thousand dollars to fifty thousand dollars
for different projects.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
You guys, are you make a such a huge difference
in the lives of cancer patience. I think sometimes what
goes overlooked maybe is how it affects the families as well. Absolutely,
how much or are there things obviously in place that
can help educate the families along the way because they
feel helpless at many times along the way because you
don't really know how to approach or help along the way.

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So how much is the aspect of making the difference
of the lives of those families as well important to you?

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
It's a great point.

Speaker 23 (01:41:39):
And so there were fortunate in this city they have
a lot of really good hearted people working hard for
the patients as well as to their family members, and
so there will be ideas what come forward will be
people who have new ideas for what could help kids
whose parents have had cancer parents whose kids are bad, cancer, siblings,
family members, or spouses, and it's as you know, I mean,

(01:42:01):
it's a tough, tough disease. And but I said earlier
and often paradoxically brings out the best in human nature.
I mean the courage that the grace people often show
going through this, and everybody coming together for what's best
for a particular family member or friend. The medical professionals,
it's we see the best in human nature on a
daily basis.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
I feel like it's such a valuable asset that that
still not enough people around know about. And again, as
you mentioned, you're talking about the consultations and free and
not having to worry about what the insurance is doing,
and feeling like an actual human and not just a
patient to someone. For those that may be hearing about
it for the first time or those that want to
learn more, What is the easiest way that you would
direct folks to go?

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Check out?

Speaker 23 (01:42:43):
There's websites since that can't advisors and describes the experience
very well, and people can request the consultation either by
calling and the phone numbers on there or by emailing
the numbers on there the email addresses on there and
it's unique that this exists no place else in the world.
The idea you can get a platinum level second opinion,
no charge whatsoever. And so the idea is to be
helpful to the patients, helpful to the physicians taking care

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of this patients, and we think it has been. We
send surveys to all the patients have been seen, who
universally find this extremely helpful. We send surveys to the
positions whose patients have been seen, and they also find
it really helpful too. Instead of people getting defensive about
maybe being a second guest, instead they find it really
helpful that the patient is typically reassured that you're in

(01:43:26):
good hands and the plan may have been augmented by
the recommendation of the group here, so it's all positive.
You're essentially just trying to eliminate the noises around it
and treat someone for the actual cancer of what's the
best treatment route, not where does the insurance match up,
where does it does it? It gives the peace of mind,
and I think, as you mentioned that the two hour

(01:43:46):
consultations that someone can see down and talk like a
human does right, because if you have this new diagnosis,
you're not really sure where to go, who to talk to,
what to ask and trust so our people know, so
our people know exactly who the expert is in the country,
they'll call that person on your behalf. Really that to
your seting oncologists, and so the idea is to optimize
the plan.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Awesome stuff again for those listening. August twenty fifth is
the Steve Abbam Memorial Golf Classic. September thirteenth is Ride Cincinnati.
And would you say the Cincinnati Cancer Foundation dot org. Yeah,
easiest way to just find out all the information possible. Yeah,
in the right Cincinnati. It's a really great event.

Speaker 23 (01:44:23):
This will be the eighteenth year and it starts at
swear Point and people have different options of crossing the
bridge and going down Rudate, heading east and as far
as you want and come back as far as sixty
miles and or there's a closed loop downtown and the
celebration afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
It's a great event.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
I cannot recommend everything that you guys are doing more
at the Cincinnati Cancer Foundation. That is Doctor William Barrett,
thank you so much for your time today. We appreciate
your time, and more importantly, we appreciate the impact and
everything you're doing here in the greater Cincinnati area.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 23 (01:44:54):
Tony's a privilege.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
We will be right back plenty more to go our
number three of SIN six next on ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
Now your chance to win a balancy three sixty is
back on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
Welcome back since three sixty. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
Thanks to our friends at Penn Station for all that
they offer and they do for us here and now
number three of Cincy three to sixty. Thank you to
doctor William Barrett from Cincinnati Cancer Foundation who just spent
some time with us. Some really cool events coming up

(01:45:45):
with their Golf Classic and Ride Cincinnati in August and September.
Switching gears just a little bit here Austin, because we've
talked Red's all throughout the afternoon, ESPN threw together a
ranking for NFL teams based just solely off running back,

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tight end and receiver groups. Throw out the offensive line,
throw out the quarterback. If you look at the core
skilled players on the offensive side of the ball, they
ranked from worst to last. Any guests, or where would
you ran from worst to last?

Speaker 5 (01:46:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
How high on the list would you put the Bengals.
I'm confused, from best to last, best to worst? Sure, yes,
who would you have at number one? Wide receivers, running back,
tight end? I would say the Bengals are probably. Is
it a composite of those three things, Yes, I would

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say the Bengals are probably. I'd say the Bengals are
probably number three. There they are number three twenty twenty three.
They were number two on this list. They into last
year at number eleven on the list. Obviously Jamar Chase
t Higgins at the wide receiver position, but they did

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dive into something that we talked about yesterday which I
thought was interesting, awesome. Austin is at the Chase Brown emergence,
a very quiet rookie season he took over last year
obviously for Joe Mixon. I don't think people realize the
eight game stretch that Chase Brown had as a primary back.

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He was ridiculous. And what they did was they took
the eight game stretch where the Bengals finally said, yes,
he's our number one, he's our three down guy. If
you would have replicated that and pro rated it over
a full season, Austin, you would have had three hundred
and twenty one carries, eighty one catches, and nineteen hundred

(01:47:53):
and seventy six yards from scrimmage along with twelve touchdowns.

Speaker 5 (01:47:57):
Do you know who?

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
That number is early similar to b Jeon R. Robinson
and what he did in twenty twenty four. So running
back is an asset. Wide receiver is an asset. They
knock a little bit for the Cincinnati Bengals with T.
Higgins and the hamstring issues that he's had. He's missed

(01:48:20):
ten games over the past two years, but has still
been dominant when he played. He they do mention the
drop off at tight end Mike Kasiki. He I don't
think we've talked a ton about KASICKI Austin because we
talk about systems and schemes and we talk about year
one to year number two. How much of a jump

(01:48:43):
are you expecting from Mike Gasiki in year two in
this system?

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
No, No, that I'm really expecting much of a jump.
I thought he had a pretty good season. If he
can do that every year, then I'm cool with that.
And if T. Higgins is hell and they've actually figured
out a way to manage that hamstring to where he
doesn't miss games, then he's going to be getting a
lot of the touches. And I think Chase Brown is

(01:49:11):
going to get a bigger chunk of the touches as
well this year. So I don't know that I would
expect Mike Gasicki to be a number one option. I mean,
had sixty five catches, six hundred and sixty five yards
two touchdowns last year. I would expect in the red
zone you would want to look to him a little
bit more. I think red zone offense can be improved

(01:49:32):
for this team. The dude's six foot six. There's got
to be better ways to get him the ball down
inside the red zone, especially if you have that amount
of weaponry available to you. So I don't know that
I expect the guy to make a huge leap as
a I think I would be thrilled if he did
what he did last year again this year.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
I was surprised at the number. As a true tight end.
Last year he averaged one point seven yards per route run.
Now that changed when he was used more of what
a wide receiver number three. Yeah, he's not a pat end.
How much could the emergence of Jermaine Burton add to
Mike Kasiki and obviously Joe Burrow's repertoire of compliments at

(01:50:14):
wide receiver if you're able to get in some instances Higgins,
Chase Burton, and Gasiki all on the field consistently.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Yeah, I think the the I don't know that it
would maybe affect Kasiki as much. To be honest, I
guess it could. It could only be a good thing.
He would be working more underneath, and I would assume
more in the middle of the field. I think what's
more interesting is what's the effect that has on Andre josebash.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
Well that So that to me was the follow up
because what I also, I would have thought that the
red zone would have been like Kasiki's spot right six
six favorable matchups, but in reality the red zone was
Andre yoshivash spot six touchdowns four hundred and seventy nine yards,
but he ranked ninety one out of ninety five qualifying

(01:51:06):
wide receivers in yards per route run. So Yoshi Vass
was really their red zone specialty guy. I would have
assumed that would have been Mike Yasicki, but I think
it does show the confidence that they do have and
Yoshi down in the red zone and what they can
now get out of him going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
I was listening to a podcast Mina Kimes her show,
and she had Dan Orlovsky on, and I'm gonna try
to cut some of this up and get to it
at some point, whether it's this week or next. But
they were talking about the offensive trends in football, and
they singled out at one point the Bengals and how

(01:51:47):
similar they are a little bit to the Bills, and
that the Bengals ran twelve personnel more frequently than they
have in the past, and they've found success in the
run game because of that twelve personnel. And I think
a little bit of that data is skewed because Gaseki
counts as a tight end. But most notably it was

(01:52:09):
the success rate of the run game in twelve personnel.
And now with Frank Pollock gone and with the new
offensive line coach, and I think Dan Pitcher and justin
Dan Pitcher specifically having more impact on the run game
and his fingerprints all over it a little bit more.
I'm curious to see how that in and of itself

(01:52:33):
affects the rest of the offense. Are the numbers just
in general going to be down because the Bengals are
going to be leading more and running the football more.
Is that going to be the case, and ultimately the
success is determined by wins more than anything else. But
I find it interesting that even before the Eric All
injury played a role in that as well, because prior

(01:52:54):
to that they had found some success with him being
on the field. But tight end wise, it's like Drew
Sample is this beast of a blocker, But Sample had
a pretty solid season last year, Like not just as
a blocker and as this get nasty type of dude.

(01:53:15):
I know that this is going to sound ridiculous. He
had twenty catches for one hundred yards in a touchdown,
but he had some big catches at times. He caught
some big first downs in big games. I view him
as like anything you get from him as an unbelievable bonus. Yeah,
and that's good to have those type of players on
your team that can offer a bonus or an uptick

(01:53:37):
based on just the smallest of things. To me, I
think it's really interesting that the amount of changes that
the offense is going to have to make based off
teams have had an entire offseason to study them. Yeah,
I mean the Bengals weren't getting stopped very frequently last year.
They struggled at times early on the Philadelphia game, Philly

(01:53:59):
kind of batting down the hatches on them, and there
were a couple of bit you know, points scored and
losses thirty eight, twenty seven, thirty four, thirty eight, thirty three, Like,
there were not a lot of times where teams were
stopping the Bengals. How are they going to attack them now?

(01:54:20):
Because the other part of that podcast I was listening
to is teams are still running too high shell coverages
and that was kind of you know, like meant to
take away parts of what teams like the Bengals do well.
And for a while they just were refusing to run it.

(01:54:41):
So if they do start to run it and have success,
then you can put the defense in a bind. But
how are teams going to get creative with maybe you're
showing a too high show, or maybe you're blitzing a cornerback,
or maybe you're you know, all these different things. How
teams defensively try to attack the Bengals I think is
one of the biggest story for this season.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
Yeah, for the huge, huge target on your back for
that list by the way ranking running back receiver, tight end.
From AFC North standpoint, the Browns came in at twenty nine.
The Bills came in at twenty eight, and I think
that just shows the brilliance of Josh Allen and their equation.
But from an actual skilled player standpoint, they have the

(01:55:24):
Bills at number twenty eight on the list. They have
the Pittsburgh Steelers ranked twenty first, and I believe the
Baltimore Ravens are number nine. The Kansas City I'm sorry,
the Ravens are number eight. The Kansas City Chiefs are
number twelve. Any guests, Austin, who the two teams ahead
of the Bengals are. I would say Philadelphia. Philadelphia's number one.

(01:55:51):
Don't tell me, don't tell me, don't tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Do you want a conference? I want to say. Arizona
is sneaky up there. Arizona's not. Okay, all right, it's
not the Green Bay Packers. It's not. Is it the
Pittsburgh Steelers?

Speaker 5 (01:56:15):
Nope?

Speaker 6 (01:56:16):
Who?

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
By the way, the Arizona Cardinals on this list are fifteen.
It is the Detroit Lions. Oh that was obvious, yep.
I know as soon as I said that, you were
going to get it. What an idiot, Jamiir Gibbs, David Montgomery,
Jamison Williams and his emergence. I'm in Ross Saint Brown,
Sam Laporta. It's another team with a lot of question marks.

(01:56:38):
But Ben Johnson's gone, Old Glenn, the coordinators are gone.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
Yep. But I could not tell you. I could not
tell you right now the name of their coordinators. I
couldn't either.

Speaker 19 (01:56:51):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
That is a story that is not being talked about enough,
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
I mean, Dan Campbell has just been this guy that
everyone has fallen in love with. And you lose two
genius coordinators and your roster is still loaded. Yeah, and
you're in a division in the NFC North where the
Bears went and got Ben Johnson and they have a
bunch of offensive weapons, the Green Bay Packers, which everyone's
kind of waiting to see who they are, in the

(01:57:17):
Minnesota Vikings. I mean, it's not like the NFC North
is a whole home division. That's a good division, that's
going to be a competitive division.

Speaker 5 (01:57:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
The Lions, for all the hype and the build up,
and they'd lived up to it for much of the
season last year. They're kind of oddly enough, flying under
the national radar a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
I was thinking about this while I was watching that
first episode of Quarterback Today. How sustainable long term are
the Lions and how much of Golf's reemergence was due
to Ben Johnson's system. Like that to me is what
I think is going to be fascinating. I think a
lot of the position coaches are still there. I know
Mark Brunell was a big part of Golf's growth. Yeah,

(01:58:03):
I wonder how sustainable they are. And they've got Aman
Raj to a long term deal. They've got Golf to
on a long term deal. Jamior Gibbs, we talked about
him yesterday. I think they're still relatively young on defense.
Laporta m hm. So they've got a little bit of
staying power. How long does this lie now?

Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
Oddly enough, they were a team that early on in
the offseason, a lot of people drew to comparison that
Trey Hendrickson would make sense. Aiden Hutchinson coming off a
devastating injury, You know, how effective is he going to
be versus what he was? But again, it's a talented
roster and everyone loves to to kind of build around

(01:58:43):
and love what Dan Campbell is doing. But they've got
some they've got some very very big questions going into
this season. And I don't believe I looked it up
when the schedule came out because I was fascinated by them.
Regular season Austin. They open at Green Bay home versus

(01:59:05):
the Bears, and then at Baltimore and then they get
the Browns and then it's a road trip here in
Cincinnati and then to Kansas City and back.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
To back weeks. Good luck boys.

Speaker 3 (01:59:16):
Then they take on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and then
the Vikings and then they go to Washington and Philly
in back to back weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
Yeah, that's gonna be a tough season.

Speaker 3 (01:59:24):
They they're at Los Angeles to take on the Rams.
I mean, that is a tough schedule for a team
last year that went fifteen and two. So then they
got Tyler Williams out of Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
He's a beast. They got Tate Ratlage, Remember Tate Ratlage.
A lot of people rat.

Speaker 3 (01:59:46):
Didn't they have a player retire as well on the
offensive line, Uh yeah, out of nowhere, their center Frank Ragnow, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
I think it would be fair, you know, as we
get closer to training camp, because the Lions I think
are the clear team in the NFC that has a
huge question mark off the top of your head, do
you have a team in the AFC that you're viewing
in the same light as a huge question mark as
just fascinated to see what transpires.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
My gut would say Pittsburgh just because of the Aaron
Rodgers potential to be a complete disaster. But I think
this Denver Fasten, I mean, I think Denver's gonna be
really good. I think Denver's going to be really good.
The two that I think are probably the most interesting

(02:00:37):
are the Raiders with Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, Gino Smith
and Ashton gent what's that look like? And the Patriots
with Mike I was going to say the Patriots because
they've had a very busy offseason. I think the Dolphins
are trending in the wrong direction. Could there have been
a player Austin with a higher stock two years ago

(02:00:58):
than C. J. Stroud?

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
I don't know that there's a young quarterback standpoint, And
now I feel like they're just the team that everyone's
leaving out. They've lost their whole off I mean, if
you go by Sharp Football and PFF, and we've talked
about where they ranked the Bengals. The only team they
rank him ahead of is the Houston Texans, who have
done c J. Stroud no favors. Yeah, I think the Texans, like,
who do you Texans? I think are going to be bad?

(02:01:21):
The AFC South? Who's the leader in that? It's probably
a year for Trevor Lawrence to figure it out. I
would assume it's Jacksonville, Tennessee's not there yet.

Speaker 2 (02:01:32):
One of my big concerns about the Bengals is that
they're going to lose the Jacksonville at home early on
Week two. I hope not. I hope not either. Houston, though,
I mean their offensive line, as you mentioned, is a problem.
Joe Mixon can't make anybody miss. He was terrible at
that last year.

Speaker 7 (02:01:50):
And c J.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
Stroud is dealing with a shoulder injury. He hasn't thrown.

Speaker 3 (02:01:55):
Yep, all fascinating stuff. We don't get today, Mullagar for
quick hits, So we will come back a little bit
of a touch and go, We'll throw it to quick
hits and we'll wrap today's show. Since he three to
sixty thanks to Penn Station, Thank you for listening on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
Station thirty and iHeartRadio station.

Speaker 3 (02:02:22):
Welcome back since he three sixty ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports Station, a service of Penn Station. No Mullager today
for quick hits. I was busy right now. He's busy
up until three oh five. I mentioned yesterday we did

(02:02:42):
the the rankings for running backs from executives, coaches, and
scouts in the NFL. Dot Chase Brown was excluded from
that list. I think he should have been, at least
from an honorable mention standpoint. Today, Austin, they did j
I'm sorry, Jeremy Faller did defensive tackles in the NFL.
No surprise, Dexter Lawrence is at the top. I remember

(02:03:05):
last year when the when the Bengals played the Giants Austin.
I thought Dexter Lawrence wrecked the Bengals game plan more
than maybe any individual defender they played all year.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
Sexy DEXI man, he's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (02:03:18):
To beast, and I thought he was older than twenty
seven been around, been around like twenty seven years old.

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
Yeah, he's like been in the league for I think
pretty long time. It's a shame he's buried in New York.
What do you mean, I'd love for him to be
in Cincinnati. Well, yeah, Sexy DEXI the Giants might be
good this year. You don't tell anybody.

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
Chris Jones number two, Jalen Carter number three, Jeffrey Simmons
checks in it for Quentnin Williams five, Lennon Williams six.

Speaker 2 (02:03:49):
What's our guy?

Speaker 6 (02:03:50):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
Mattabouke from Baltimore? Justin Matabuke our guy?

Speaker 3 (02:03:55):
I thought we've mentioned his name a couple of times.
DeForrest Buckner. He's still doing it six' seven To Forest.
Buckner you know his middle?

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Name what the? Trees the? Forest the? Trees? Uh vidavea
is number. Nine, Oh i'm so. Stupid.

Speaker 3 (02:04:18):
Uh Cam hayward checks in at number. Ten do you
Know Jansen junk's middle? Name no all THAT i was gonna,
SAY i mean just, unhittable unhittable.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
Junk i'm. Sorry what was?

Speaker 3 (02:04:32):
It Terry francona put? It he just he was spinning, it,
yeah spinning it. Fastballs he just had a lot of.

Speaker 2 (02:04:37):
Success my roommate AND i were joking the other, day
how like old school guys Like Terry. Francona when somebody's,
hurt they'll just, Say, oh he's got a, Leg, yeah
he's got an. Arm unter's got a.

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
FOOT i don't think it's a surprise No bengals received
votes At houdiable mention or others receiving.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
Votes i'm sorry it was defensive line tackle de. TACKLE
i don't think Any bengal was gonna make that. LIST
i Missed Geno atkins and where.

Speaker 3 (02:05:05):
Were Geno atkins have ranked on that? List still still
should be number one Over Sexy. Dexy yeah, dude all,
Right Geno atkins Made SEXY dexi look like a tea.
Party Geno atkins might be A hall Of, famer by the,
way just so we're all. Clear he was that. Good he's.
Unbelievable he's a, monster. UNBELIEVABLE i missed.

Speaker 2 (02:05:28):
He used the.

Speaker 3 (02:05:28):
Term they used the term in football a lot low man.
Wins he was always the low man and he always.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
WON i Met gino a couple of times WHEN i
was working at The Pro. Shop most, awesome, humble down
to earth. Dude AND i also saw a guy one.
Time uh almost have an aneurysm because he Saw Geno
atkins in The Pro. Show really LIKE i was uncomfortable

(02:05:55):
with how starstruck this guy was Seeing, geno And gino
handled it like a. Champ just there is grabbed a
sharpie off the thing and signed a football form or
whatever it.

Speaker 3 (02:06:07):
WAS i don't know that there is anything more demoralizing
in the game of. Football then if you're an offensive
lineman and someone can just consistently bullrush, you m hm
A Gino wacan he was like a.

Speaker 5 (02:06:18):
Bulldog.

Speaker 3 (02:06:19):
Sit he's like six foot six' one maybe something. Like
that but the amount of times you would just see
a center or a guard five six yards in, the
backfield like if that happens on the first or six
if that happens on the first or second drive of.
The game like from an old, line standpoint your confidence
has to be shot because now you're, Figuring, out okay

(02:06:39):
how are they gonna?

Speaker 2 (02:06:40):
Help me WHAT can i do to? Adjust this AS an,
o line you're you're figuring out how can we? Hide?

Speaker 3 (02:06:45):
This now just overpowering someone and then being so quick like.
He was he was such a such a, great player.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
Eight Time, pro bowl Two Time, all Pro the Hall,
Of fame All twenty. Tens team in one hundred and
sixty one, career games he had seventy five and a,
half sacks two hundred and twenty eight, solo tackles forced. Eight,
FUMBLES man i, mean gosh she was.

Speaker 5 (02:07:14):
A beast i.

Speaker 3 (02:07:15):
Miss him see that's that's where you never know what
you're gonna get on A random since he three sixty
Day in July A geno atkins, Appreciation segment i'm glad we.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
DID that i think we should work one in. Every,
day yeah all we really got to say Is Remember.
Geno atkins. That's it he.

Speaker 3 (02:07:32):
Was awesome let's talk about your your Most Fond geno.
ATKINS moments.

Speaker 2 (02:07:37):
I just got such. A beast i just.

Speaker 4 (02:07:39):
Got.

Speaker 3 (02:07:39):
Correspondence yeah really that he'll be able to jump on
with us at two fifty to really let us know
and let the listeners know everything. To, expect yeah that's
great in his. Show, today also we would be remiss
because we mentioned This. Yesterday austin We Had charlie Frank
And michael Anderson, in uh don't let the sour taste
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just to kind of recoup after last night's monumental effort
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month RIGHT and espn shows the, entire event and they
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Speaker 2 (02:10:33):
Like the sixth inning.

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nope and he's probably not helping Him. On thursday and so,
like obviously like we're all wondering what Are the reds?

(02:10:56):
Gonna do what Can the? Reds do what are they
willing to? Give up but we're gonna do something TODAY
that i think a lot of people don't like. To
do we're gonna put the onus on the players on this,
year's team. Right right nobody likes to do that because,
you know players we buy jerseys and we we, idolize
them so it's easier to bang on the DOR key
gm that you don't want. To, be like it's it's

(02:11:16):
time for some of these Dudes that i've been hearing
for a long time how good they are, to actually,
you know play well and.

Speaker 2 (02:11:22):
Be good so we're a.

Speaker 7 (02:11:25):
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Episode TODAY now i WILL admit i watched it, this
morning AND because i just, you know had stuff, TO
do i breezed Past the Golf and. Cousins Parts so
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and i would watch the series regardless Of if joe. Was,
on SO but i Didn't watch Golf. Or cousins we
got to Talk About joe burrow being a Part, of
QUARTERBACK which i think is.

Speaker 2 (02:12:06):
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Speaker 7 (02:12:06):
That today we'll Chat With joe Royer And, gavin gerhardt
who are Both, In frisco Texas for Big Twelve. Media
Day scott springer's down there. As well we'll look ahead
to the twenty TWENTY five uc football season and so.

Speaker 3 (02:12:19):
Much more how much time will you spend Today On
alexis diaz who just got called up To. THE dodgers
mo listen to these stat lines For The DODGERS triple.
A affiliate since, the trade he has not Pitched since.
July third he hasn't completed an inning in any of
his three most. Recent appearances what are you Expecting from
alexis ds For?

Speaker 2 (02:12:37):
The, DODGERS well i.

Speaker 7 (02:12:39):
CAN'T wait i hope he pitches For the dodgers Against
the REDS at gabp because they're here In.

Speaker 2 (02:12:44):
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To do a.

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i mean it wasn't like he, you know not Like
It's ryan valaide or whoever that dude was that was. Up, Here,
now darren have we looked up the Stats Of, mike
vallani the the Guy the reds Acquired?

Speaker 2 (02:13:03):
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In uh In The Arizona.

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I was.

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Gonna Say the reds won The trade why is he not?
Here yet why is he Not? In, cincinnati wait he
has any experience playing in, the outfield he. Might be
i'm seeing here that he's been Promoted. To daytona.

Speaker 12 (02:13:36):
How?

Speaker 2 (02:13:36):
About this.

Speaker 12 (02:13:39):
In?

Speaker 2 (02:13:39):
Ten innings you, Know what, You're right i'm looking at.
It wrong in ten Innings, in daytona he HAS an
era of nine point. Two, eight okay so. Under ten
keep it in the single digits and you got, a. Chance?

Speaker 7 (02:13:51):
Kid, wow yeah nine point, two eight ten and two
thirds innings, walked, eight guys it's.

Speaker 2 (02:14:00):
The ball carries down There. In daytona sure.

Speaker 7 (02:14:03):
It does man Walks in hitsburgh innings bitch two point zho, Sixty,
three mike And the reds probably still won.

Speaker 2 (02:14:09):
The trick, Get, crawled god. Get crawled, we, also guys
settle in.

Speaker 7 (02:14:15):
For this we're. Giving away we're Giving Away dirks, Bentley
tickets Dirk And upper deck. Golf tickets we are going
to test your knowledge Of the reds and their history. With,
Trades wow i'm buckle in for that, for Sure DOING
Alexis Dz mike, vallani question there, YOU Go. U, mo
thanks have a great show.

Speaker 2 (02:14:33):
THIS afternoon i don't know if it's going to, be
great but. We'll try it's. Always Great. Thanks mo That. Is,
moager guys we're done since he.

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