Cincy 360 w/ Tony Pike & Austin Elmore -- 7/25/25

Tony and Austin talk Bengals, chat with Tommy G and Charlie G, check in with Bob Mangine and Mo Egger, take your calls and TalkBacks, and more on ESPN 1530!

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Speaker 3 (00:33):
All right, good afternoon, Welcome in. It is Sincy three sixty,
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a heck of a lot of stuff that we need
to get into from what has happened today at Cincinnati
Bengals training camp. Day three of Bengals training camp and
three days of physical practices, three days of long practices

(01:19):
that have happened here with the Cincinnati Bengals. We'll talk
about what they got accomplished. We'll talk about the good,
we'll talk about the bad, and when talking about the good,
we're gonna talk a lot about Jermaine Burton, who had
another great day of Bengals training camp. The offense, I
would say, one the day again if you're keeping track
at home, So a good day for the offense, another
learning opportunity for the defense, and so much that we

(01:42):
can dive into. It's not just Bengals today. Tom Gallader
is gonna join us at twelve thirty. We're gonna preview
what's going on with inter Miami, the latest on Lionel Messi,
if he's gonna be able to play in the game,
and what that looks like. We'll talk to Tom Gallader
about that. Charlie Goldsmith just went inside to get some
work done, and then from my understanding, he's going to

(02:04):
come out at one o'clock and join us in his
normally scheduled Friday time. And with the heat and the
temperatures and the cramping and the dehydration and the IVS
and everything else, we're gonna talk to Bob Manjen about
all that. From Novacare in our number three as we

(02:25):
get started. Austin Elmore is also with us. Austin, how
are you doing this afternoon?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
You know I'm doing all right, man. You know, just what.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Was hanging in takeaway from training camp today?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well? I was interested in, you know, kind of what
it would look like because I figured there'd be a
little bit more of an emphasis on red zone and
special teams because we haven't seen that to this point
of training camp, and it sounds like there was, and
specifically with red zone. I remember when Al Golden spoke
with the media before they adjourned really for summer break,
right after the mandatory mini camp, he said they got

(02:56):
pretty much everything they wanted to get done and installed
for the defense through those nineteen practices, but they hadn't
gotten to red zone yet, and that red zone was
gonna be a big emphasis for the Bengals defense as
they install that in what they like to do. And
it sounds like from what you guys got to have
a first row seat on the Bengals red zone defense

(03:16):
certainly wasn't great today and Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase were.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
There's a lot of it where I would say that
the red zone defense wasn't great. There was also a
lot of plays today where Joe Burrow just made a
great throw.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I saw the video of Jamar in the back of
the end zone one handed. He didn't even have to
move his.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Arm right like that wasaver.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
That was great coverage and it was a perfect throw.
And you know that sort of stuff. There's nothing you're
gonna nothing you can do about it. Jordan Battle was
right there.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, he hit t Higgins over the middle in the
first rep of of red zone that went over the
head of like four different defenders, drops in a bucket
at the back. Like there are plenty of times, especially
going against Joe Barr or I'm guessing now Golden's gonna
get into that meeting room and say, guys, this is
a good job. Some of these times there's just nothing
you can do about it. And I think that was

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and has been the case for some of the plays. Now,
there has been others where guys are running wide open.
There's been a there's been a case where you have
breakdowns and coverage, and that's going to happen when you
have a new defensive coordinator and a defense that's trying
to make an adjustment or make a move. But outside
of all of that, Austin, I would say that we

(04:31):
saw it yesterday and heard it on the show. A
lot of people asking about Jermaine Burton to me and
Moe and I did at the end of the Tony
Moe Training Camp show. To me, he was the winner
of camp today. He was all over the place, and
not just with the twos. Joe Burrow was finding him
on on ones verse ones. In team drills. He dominated
the red zone when given the opportunity that was I thought,

(04:56):
since I've seen him, the best day of practice from
Jermaine Burton, and it seems.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
To be that it's more than just go balls or
for Jermaine Burton. I heard Charlie talking about this yesterday
that the route tree seems to have expanded for him, because,
you know, we talked about last year him struggling to
pick up the playbook, him not being as dynamic as
a rout of a route runner as you'd like him
to be, and it felt like every time he came
into the game he was doing one thing and one

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thing only and that was deep balls down the sideline.
And it was kind of easy to prepare for Jermaine
Burton when he was on the field. But if he's
able to add more to his route tree and he's
able to put himself in other positions in the offense,
he can have an impact. And that actually brings me
to our Revivefitnessystems dot Com pole question for today Ton
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Speaker 3 (05:44):
Street.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Which second year Bengal will have the biggest impact this season?
Your choices are Jermaine Burton, Josh Newton, Chris Jenkins or
McKinley Jackson. How would you vote?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
I think right now, based on what I've seen, that
would be Jermaine Burton twentype. But until the pads go
on and you can see the interior, I couldn't tell you.
I couldn't fairly assess Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, that's fair, and that's the way to really when
it comes to the trenches, that's how you have to
talk about it. Jermaine Burton, though twenty nine percent of
the vote right now, thirty eight percent goes to Chris Jenkins,
twenty four percent to Josh Newton, in just seven percent
for McKinley Jackson. I think people are sleeping a little
bit on McKinley Jackson, to be completely honest with you,

(06:33):
but the way that Jermaine Burton has practiced so far,
and the way Chris Jenkins is going to get a
camp where he's not dealing with an injury, he's not
going to be dealing with, you know, all this other stuff.
He gets to focused a little bit up on being
a defensive tackle. I think that's gonna be a big
part of it.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
I wanted to ask you something that Mo and I
discussed and follow up the idea of Jermaine Burton as
a returner. In your opinion, is his value as the
everyday or is there more value in Jermaine Burton to
be the guy that goes in when you have those
meaningful returns where you're looking for a little bit of

(07:10):
a burst like that was the pac Man Jones role. Sure,
do you think Jermaine Burton should be the everyday guy
over Charlie Jones or do you think that's it? I
think I think it's a situation where he goes in.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think it's hard to say right now, to be
completely honest with you. I mean, Charlie has proven that
he can do it and do it consistently, not just
in the kickoff game, but also in the punt game.
I also think there's a wild card in this conversation,
and that's Isaiah Williams from the guy they picked up
at the end of last year off Detroit's practice squad.
He's been really good and a good returner and showed

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some flashes in the return game last year. So to me,
it's kind of more dependent on how those two guys
performed during camp that determine what Jermaine Burton's role is
going to be. And does Jermaine continue to excel on
the offensive side of the ball to the point where
they're like, we don't need you in the return game.
We need you to be a part of the offense.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
But but either way, having him there and having the
ability to turn to him if you need to is
a big plus for the team.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I mean this again, and we we we brushed over
it today, But you think about how Jermaine Burton and
why Jermaine Burton was drafted, it's a lot of the
same reason when you talk about why Miles Murphy was drafted.
They were drafted to be the next guy. No one thought.
No one thought when Jermaine Burton was drafted that he

(08:32):
wasn't getting drafted to be the air apparent to t
Higgins because no one assumed Higgins was going to be
back with the Cincinnati Bengals. When Miles Murphy was drafted,
there was a lot of thought around Miles Murphy of
whether it's Sam Hubbard or whether it's Trey Hendrickson down
the line. Those are those are draft picks that are
being used for guys to take the next step because

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that's how you replunished to roster, That's how you continue
to be able to pay free agents and and and
build your roster is by nailing it in the draft.
And that that was, in my opinion, the Miles Murphy pick,
and that was also the Jermaine Burton pick. Those are
two guys that, yeah, I think were picked to say, Okay,
you don't need it year one, but enough needs to

(09:17):
be seen here in year one to know that we're
comfortable as an organization knowing that you're going to be
the guy next m h And I don't think either
of those guys have given that confidence yet, which I
think leads to maybe the I don't want to say panic,
but it leads the idea of, well, you have to
pay T Higgins sure, and you're going to need Trey
Hendrickson because the others just haven't shown it to this point.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
If if and it is, it's still a big if.
If Jermaine Burton can show what he showed today throughout
training camp and into the preseason, does it alter in
your opinion, Austin, anything from a personnel group setting of
how this team wants to operate, Because we talked earlier
today the twelve personnel two tight end sets when Eric

(10:04):
All was healthy, this team loved running those sets, and
we talked about maybe that's the fit if you talk
about Noah fan and things going forward. But does the
emergence or would the emergence of Jermaine Burton allow this
team to operate in different personnel groupings.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and if nothing else, it allows
you to move around Jamar Chase and T Higgins, or
maybe move around Chase Brown, because you know, if first
and foremost, Jermaine more than likely gonna spend most of
his time outside and if he's a viable threat on
the outside, you have to respect that as a quarter
and as a safety. And if you've got Jimmy Jamar

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Chase running around underneath, or T Higgins on the other
side of the field, or Mike Gieski in the slot
and Jamar on the other side, and you've got four
wide receivers, then I mean, good luck, right, Like it's
a damned if you do. Damned if you don't type
of view for a defense. So yeah, I mean, yeah exactly.
And then on top of that too, is like if

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you want to bring in to me, it makes them
versatile and flexible against any type of defense. The teams
are going to try to run at them. And on
time of that, if you are able to go into
a twelve personnel and you are able to effectively run
the football, that's gonna do nothing but open things up
for you. Even more so to me, it's it's critical
and and also not even that if somebody gets hurt,

(11:27):
if T goes down, if Jamar goes down, if Koseki
goes down, you don't feel like you're losing a step
by putting andre Yoshivas or Jermaine Burton onto the field
for your offense.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, it is, uh, it would be a good problem
to have. If you're talking about he's got too many weapons,
how do you get them all on the field? That
would be a good problem to have. I we talked
about X factors today and and if you if I
want to go back to our Revive Fitnessystems dot Com
pole question, you know, if if we're talking about out

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making the biggest impact, because this roster does have t
Higgins and Jamar Chase and MIKEASICKI, what does the impact
even if it's a positive one, what does the impact
of Jermaine Burton way on the offense as a whole
versus what the impact of Chris Jenkins or McKinley Jackson

(12:23):
could have Because that's just a position of more need, right,
they don't have as much depth. So if Chris Jenkins
takes the next step, I understand why people are voting
in that sense of well, that's a position of more need,
so the impact would be there. Jermaine Burton could have
a great year too, but you might not be able
to quantify the impact because of the stars at wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
H And what I'm really curious to see is once
the pads come on, what does Chris Jenkins look like
when he's rushing the passer, not even as much in
the run game when he's rushing the passer. Because Al
Golden has talked multiple times about being able to use
guys inside on pass rushing downs. So let's think third downs.
Is he gonna go like Let's say, let's say, for example,

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Week one in Cleveland, Schamar and Trey aren't here, Well,
you're gonna have Osai and Murphy on the outside. Are
you gonna put cam Sample on the inside? Are you
gonna put Cedric Johnson on the inside, or are you
gonna trust that Chris Jenkins can get to the quarterback
alongside BJ Hill on the inside?

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Those determining those you know, rotations for the interior pressure,
which has been basically nonexistent since Larry Ogan Joby left,
is gonna be critical to Chris Jenkins. And you know,
McKinley Jackson is more of a nose tackle and they
went and addressed that with TJ. Slayton. But McKinley Jackson
I think has the profile to also be disruptive in

(13:44):
a three technique And so if he's able to show
some versatility, you all of a sudden feel a lot
better about the depth but for me, for Chris Jenkins,
it's hey, are you usable? Are you worthy? Are you
in the rotation on pass rush downs? Can you get
to the quarterback? That's the big part.

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just a few minutes, UH for a different type of
football conversation, but one Austin I have found very interesting
based on I've not seen it yet. Has there been
any any ruling yet on Leonnel MESSI.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Not that I have been able to see.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
What are we waiting on?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I don't really know. I know I saw Don Garber
earlier say that, I guess it was Pat Noonon earlier
say that, you know that they're preparing as if they
weren't aren't going to be there because they don't think
they're ready or they broke down. I'm blanking on the
exact where I was not ready for this question. But
basically Pat Noon and them said they have gotten not

(15:50):
gotten clarification from MLS on whether or not they officially
broke the rules or whether or not they will be
able to play or not play, and so for that reason,
but you know, they they're preparing as if they won't
play because they broke the rule. Right, So hopefully Tommy
can explain it a lot better than I did.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
The latest on the Red's efforts to land anyone at
the trade downline, Are we anywhere new on that?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I don't think so. The big I guess the first
domino to drop or to fall was that Josh Naylor
was traded last night from Cleveland to Seattle. Okay, I
don't know that that means anything. Seattle is also apparently
in the running for au Haaneo Suarez as the and
the Yankees. It's funny because the Reds and Yankees both

(16:38):
already traded or the Reds and Mariners both already traded
Swoz in his career, and now are trying to get
him back.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Great, that's what we want.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, but I would expect you know, I mean, what
is there six days or five days? Six days between
now and the trade deadline. I would expect some stuff
to happen this weekend, for sure.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
The Mariners. That was Josh Nayler's with the d Backs,
right he was, yes, Okay, so obviously the d Backs
are in.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Cell mode completely, you would think.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
I just I'm uneasy at the fact that the Reds
are interested. But the other teams that are also listed
up there, you could kind of take the highest bidder
if you're the Arizona Diamondbacks. I don't think that bodes
particularly well for the Reds. I thought you could always
come back and say you at least kick the tires
on it.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, Ultimately, I think it really comes down to who
has the most pitching and young, controllable pitching that can
put together a package for one of those guys. Yeah,
ultimately is what it comes down to. And I think
the Reds do have enough of that to at least
make it competitive and then they maybe throw in a
sweetener with one of those other top prospects. But the
Reds never will have the same deep pockets as the

(17:48):
New York Yankees, and you know, New York I think
feels a lot of pressure obviously, after losing the World
Series last year. I've lost a couple under Aaron Boone.
They're now two games the final wild card spot, but
they're still back a couple of games, five six games
now from Toronto, who's maybe the hottest team in baseball.
And don't look now, but Toronto has the best record

(18:09):
in baseball, which is ridiculous. But David Bell, David Bell
David Bell effect.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Also from a news standpoint.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
The second best record behind Milwaukee.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Of course, sure, the Cleveland Browns are now without a
starting linebacker. Did you see Jordan Hicks as retiring. I
saw that Jordan Hicks, starting linebacker for the Browns, had
missed the first two days of training camp with what
the team called a personal matter. He has announced today
on his Instagram that he is retiring after ten seasons

(18:48):
in the National Football League. I don't think that moves
the needle for the Browns or hurts them any worse
than what they already are. I just don't think they're
a good football team this year. But I will and
we will do a little bit deeper dive as we
talked about earlier on some of these AFC North teams,
because that the conversation between Baltimore and Cincinnati I think

(19:09):
is fascinating. And we kind of went through earlier and
gave position by position of who gets the nod. If
if we were talking about each position group between the
Ravens and the Bengals, Austin outside of quarterback, wide receiver
and his MO gave them running back. Do the Bengals
take any other position group over the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I don't know. I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, the Ravens are okay.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Evan McPherson was perfect again today in practice. It's two
perfect practices, including a fifty two yarder and the you
know the what do they call the what is that
team in Baltimore? The Ravens. They don't have Justin Tucker anymore.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Okay, so I'll take that.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I guess they have a kicker competition going on.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
All right, Look, we're finding positive.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Do you know who the Ravens punter is?

Speaker 6 (20:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Me, neither, So I'll take the Bengals. Okay, Uncle Rico.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Okay, Rico McPherson quarterback, wide receiver. What's your take on
running back? Uh?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
I would still give it to Derick Henry.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
That being said, I don't know who's who the second
running back of Baltimore is right now.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, I like the running back.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I should know that. I would know that if I
saw him, but I don't know it right now.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
If by the top end is it is still Derek Henry.
We got to get a break in when we come back.
He is the voice of FC Cincinnati. Tom Gallardo will
join us to talk a little FC and Enter Miami.
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Speaker 2 (20:45):
Hey, Alexa, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
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Orange Blue. Tom Gallander is joining us. Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
what's going on?

Speaker 7 (21:23):
Tony telling it, telling he feels like it's been a
lifetime since I heard those dull sit tones in my
ear drums on a Friday, and we are we are
just tossing this thing upside down.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
It's not two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
No, no, it's twelve thirty, twelve thirty.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
You're you know, Bengals training I should have I should
have grabbed my bag lunch and come pull it up
at Bengals training camp and done this line. Because I
gotta get to the airport here quickly. We couldn't do
our normal two o'clock slot. So I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
With everything going on, accommodating me.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Look, you know you could have made your way down
and we're right on the way to the airport. But
can you tell me what's going on? Are their inmates
running the asylum in Major League Soccer right now? Is
leono MESSI gonna play? Are there sanctions coming down? What
do we know?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Tommy?

Speaker 7 (22:10):
I mean, talk about a storyline that is captivating the
American soccer audience at this moment, including yours truly and
apparently the two of.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
You and many others on social media.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
I don't think anybody knows much of anything at this point.
You know, both coaches spoke this morning and had different messages.
Bat Newton said, well, the rules are the rules, right,
I can read the rules, and so I would expect
them to be suspended. And from the Miami camp, Pavire

(22:44):
was like, I expect them to play. They've played more
than anybody, so they should have an exception and I
expect them to play. You know, my gut probably tells
me that they play. I think that'll be the case.
But you know, I think that if the rules are
that you blow up the alsoar game and don't have
a legitimate injury, and this happened with Locktown a couple

(23:06):
of years ago. If you remember twenty eighteen All Star Game,
he just didn't want to go and he was suspended
and in classics lot time formed, you know, he said
something along the lines of, you know, wow, how much
bigger than that game or this league and everybody here.
So it's fine, I'll take my day off and I'll
be back and you all love me, you know. So
it'll be very interesting here to see if we know

(23:28):
more by the time we land in Miami. So it's
supposed to get down there, but four you know, I'll
be very intrigued to see kind of where we stand
on that ruling.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
But listen, the.

Speaker 7 (23:38):
Reality is actually Cincinnati they defeated Miami, you know, nine
days ago with with Lionel Messi and Jordie Alba out there,
and the game plan was pretty flawless and executed perfectly,
and you know they're gonna have to do that again
no matter who's playing.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
And that's just the reality.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Well that's what I was gonna ask, how much do
you now rely on nine days ago? Because if that's
not the case, you're going into a game blind. How
do you prepare not knowing if they're gonna be two
major contributors playing for a team or not based on
a suspension or not. So how much do you now
just have to if you're popping down noon and rely
on what you were just able to do from a

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game plan standpoint against Inner Miami.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yeah, I mean I think look first and foremost, like
you know, Miami is not going to fundamentally change what
they do.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
You know, based on who is or is not out
on the pitch, at least I don't think they're going to.

Speaker 7 (24:34):
And FC Cincinnati knows like the style of play to
expect that they're gonna see from Miami, and you know
the way they have to be patient and capitalize on
the champions where they get them, even if they're few
and far between. You know that that still has to
be the game plan from an FC CINCNETI standpoint. And
the reality is, and I think this is true across
sport well beyond soccer, is that you know, even if

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it wasn't a storyline right now, you're still preparing for
more than.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
A levers that are starting to match. Anything could change.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
I mean, in the in the game at t Quos Debium,
the goalkeeper changed, right, so now maybe he you know,
there's different tendencies between the two guys, so you know,
at halftime, maybe make some adjustments is on how you're
attaching a goalkeeper. But there's not you know, there's not
anything that they're not prepared for, I don't think, and

(25:27):
they just have to you know, stick to what they
did and kind of I mean, the good news is
that game was so recently just we can have a
go like, let's not forget what worked really really well
in that game and and try to replicate it. I
joke with Pat or he joke with me when I
asked him, you know, how do you limit your opportunities

(25:48):
or the opportunities on the ball for Lionel Messi? He
was like, Tommy, if I had that answer, like I'd
bottle it up and sell it like I'd be I'd
be the first manager to ever figure that out. But
the reality is that they didn't give him, you know,
an ordinate amount of opportunities in that game at Tiquostadium.
And I think again that that perhaps message afterwards was

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playing as a team.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
And so if you're s C.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
Cincinnati with whoever's out there, again, remember let's let's do
these exact same things that we did. It doesn't mean
you're gonna win, but it means you're gonna put yourself
in a position to compete.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
And get a result, and I think that's important.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
What's to say about this team? You mentioned the win
against Miami. It obviously came on the heels of a
loss and a disappointing loss to Columbus. But as we've
seen with the resolve of this team before, they go
through a disappointing, difficult loss in Hell is Real and
then they come back and they dominate Miami, and then
you come back and you get to win against Real
Salt Lake. So what does it say about this team

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and their performance to be able to put the bad
ones behind them and then get moving forward right and
continue to put together three points when when you take
the pitch.

Speaker 7 (26:56):
Well, I mean, listen, we've been doing these these conversations,
what three four years every Friday, you know, since Pat
took over, and I don't think there's been many times
that we've talked about, you know, consecutive.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Losses or a losing streak. You know, we talked about.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
A tough stretch at the end of May, and certainly
what needed to be fixed in that regards. But these
teams tend to have that resolve and tend to bounce
back under that noon and and the way that they
have responded, because certainly all of the disappointment, everything about
that Columbus game was disappointing, right, And then you you
give up four goals to your arrival, and you come

(27:33):
back with back to back clean sheets, and and one
of those is against Miami and Messi and his friends,
and in dominant fashion, three nail. And then you go
to you know, a tough place to play at Salt Lake,
against a team that was very much in form, and
you get another clean sheet and you win one nail.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
I think I think he says a lot about this team.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
And you know, therefore, due to their results and their
resolve and the way they bounce back, their top of
the table in the whole league, right where they deserve
to be.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
But the margin of air now going on in the
Eastern Conference and in the MLS standings as it is,
and I don't know, and you'd know more than I,
how much of the players paying attention game in and
game out to where they are in the standings. But
if you look FC Cincinnati has been red hot. Outside
of the Columbus match, they have forty eight points. They're
only a point clear if Nashville and Philadelphia there are

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four points clear of the Columbus crew inner Miami's at
forty one, but they have multiple matches still to make up.
Just talk about the East as a whole right now,
and how small that margin of aair really is.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
There's none, right that's just the out of the ask
Philadelphia they stumble a little bit, they're no longer in
the first place.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
If f C.

Speaker 7 (28:41):
Cincinnati stumbled them all night, someone's gonna jump them because
everybody's right there behind them like you just lifted off.
So the reality is for the top five teams, there
is no margin area. And I'm gonna include Miami there
because just like you said, they have three games in hand,
so you could do the mass. If they win those
three games in hand they have on Cincinnati, they're ahead

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of Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Even if you know they they went out like the.

Speaker 7 (29:07):
Rest of us, say they draw this one, then they'd
be seven points apart. But Miami would say three games
in hand and both teams went out, they're not gonna
play each other again.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Both teams went out the rest of the year.

Speaker 7 (29:18):
Miami even jump them in the standings because they have
those extra games that are gonna have to play. So yeah,
I think there's a lot of pressure. I don't know
how much the guys are paying attention, but I'm sure
they're very much aware of it. You know, you're at
the point the season, there's ten games left in the
regular season, like it's it's game on now, and everybody
wants to win.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
That supporter Shield.

Speaker 7 (29:37):
They know what comes with that, the number one overall,
see the home field advantage, so on and so forth.
So no, I think that I think guys are aware
of the standings. They have a board in the facility
that that shows the Eastern Conference, so certainly that board
is updated after every match, and ce Cincinnati's on top
of it right now. That's where they want to be
in October going into the playoffs. Well, you know, there's

(30:00):
work to be had, and are they gonna stub their
toe at some point?

Speaker 8 (30:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Probably, I mean, the a heck of a story.

Speaker 7 (30:06):
If they win all these games the rest of the way,
the certainly you know that that will guarantee you in
the Supporter Shield. I guess, except this this Miami game.
You know, we'll see what happens here. But you know,
if if they do that, then yeah, they they'll be
in a really good spot. But uh yeah, there's gonna
be so much juggling. I think of these positions the

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rest of the way that a team that's in fourth
one week should probably still win the supportership, and the
team that's at first could end up as a four
seed in the East or a five seed to be honest,
based on on what Miami.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Could do with those extra games.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
So yeah, I think it's a it's a wild ride,
and I think it it shapes up if you.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Think about it, to probably be.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
I'm trying to think, you know, since FC Cincinnati's been
in the league, if there's been an Eastern Conference this deep,
with this many different with five different teams that could
win in the conference, I don't.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
I don't think that's been the case for a while.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
How do you balance because it's not a you know,
the the game plan itself. They just played each other
nine days ago, so you kind of know the matchup
and what you got to do to come away with
a win. How do you balance? You mentioned ten games
left in the MS season. How do you balance. You
want to go in for the supporter shield, but you
also want to make sure as you get to the
playoffs that you're playing at your best, but you're also

(31:24):
playing at your healthiest and you're fresh, and you're most
fresh as well. So how do you balance that if
you're Pat Noon and of all of those things that
kind of come together when everything is so congested in
the standings.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
Yeah, I think and I think that's a I mean, first,
that's a good question, and second, you know, I think
it's a difficult balance a little bit right now because
of some of the injuries the team has had. You know,
it was reported today and I saw him out there
and there at Chinik. It's here. I don't know that
he'll travel. We'll see, you know, if he's on the
plane here in about an hour or so when we

(31:57):
board a playing but you know he he's he's now
coming in and provide some depth on the right side
for Pat.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
So that's good. I think now the window open up yesterday.
I think they still need midfield depth.

Speaker 7 (32:09):
You have Obing a Wobedo who's not gonna go on
the season any injury list, but he is gonna be
out basically to the end of the season, but getting
ob Euoboedo back for the playoffs will be pretty awesome.
So that's why he doesn't land on the on the
season ending injury list. But in the meantime, Brian and
ngunavel Bukar workhorses right now, but you can't wear them
out and then have either of them lost for the

(32:30):
playoffs or the end of the season when you're trying
to win a supporters Shield. So I think you really
need to get, you know, a midfield piece in to
add some depth there, and then you're probably gonna bring
in one more attacking piece, would be my guess. But
Chris Allbright, I haven't even seen him because I'd assume
that he's up in the office on the phone or
he's out recruiting, you know, trying to trying to get
guys here back to the Queens City to sign with

(32:52):
the club. So yeah, I think, uh, it's a very
tough balance and and something that uh, you know, Pat's
gonna have to to manage and that's gonna be a
big part of his job, you know, beyond you know,
the tactics of winning games is managing the guys and
and look, every team, including you know, professional soccer at

(33:14):
this point has just amazing technical staff with with the
physios and the trainers and the massage therapists and and
all the all the data that they get, I mean,
soccer is unique, and that they wear the GPS trackers
and gives them a lot of information on on miles
ran and all that. So Phil Keen and that staff
are gonna be working really hard to you know, look

(33:36):
at guys week in week out whether a workload is
for the season, and make sure that they're managing it
right because you want to have a big run come October,
November and and play into December for that NASCAR.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
And Uh, it's an organization that is obviously never resting,
always looking to get better. Tommy, I would be remissed
before I let you go if I didn't ask, uh
the unveiling of the new brown helmet, seeing the video,
seeing the video angles, was that staged for the cameraman
to go off the side of that? Okay?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Why absolutely listen, Why well.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
What are you guys doing?

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Because what I mean, everybody's talking about it right. It worked.
I mean everybody's talking literally, it.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Was on every outlet, every notification.

Speaker 7 (34:26):
Everybody's sending it to me, Oh, this is hilarious, blah
blah blah blah blah. Like I mean, do I agree
with that strategy? I don't know, like not necessarily, but
it did the job. I mean, the guy who fell in,
isn't he some isn't he some famous YouTuber or influencer.
I mean I looked up the guy and fell in.

(34:47):
He had like seven hundred thousand followers. So like, obviously
they didn't put that guy on the raft to just
stand there.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Would you ever direct your people at fourth floor Creative
to fall into Lake Erie?

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Not any water?

Speaker 7 (35:01):
Like nonetheless, I mean, but but but again, this is
why it's different. Stage, Like the camera angle was so clear, right, Yeah,
Like if I'm watching on TV and that's my crew
on the on the raft and I see one of
my guys going the water, I might call my insurance
company and just asking for the check, just assuming that
the camera and we're not gonna get like a crystal

(35:23):
clear like so obviously they it had like a water
case out of I don't know exactly what he had
in his hand, but uh, he whatever you had was waterproof. Yeah,
and you know what's what's set up for the whole thing.
So look, I mean, look, here we are at twelve
forty five on Friday, Cincinnati talking talking about it. When
New York're talking about it, if people in California talking
about it, and you know, if they're not talking about

(35:45):
who the starting quarterback is.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
So I just had that conversation. My nephew's in town.

Speaker 7 (35:49):
He's a he's a big quarterback down there in South Carolina,
and he's grilling me, uh, you know, he's.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
A high schooler. He's asking me, uh, who's.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
Gonna be the starting quarterback for uh, for the Browns?

Speaker 5 (35:59):
And nobody know. But but think about it.

Speaker 7 (36:03):
Here's my question for you, Tony, Like think about it
and and and for both of you, like when can
you think of the NFL team that open camp with
with four names that could be QB one on week one?

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Right, it's insane. It's insane. And like if they.

Speaker 7 (36:18):
All push each other, which it seems to be the case, right,
I mean unless they're all terrible, right, but if if
that's true, if they're all pushing each other, then you
have a trade piece for one of them.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
I would think, Yeah, I don't act like you to
be able to act like you didn't spend some camps
at higher ground where there was about seven on the
depth chart. Tommy all vying for a job.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah, you're on.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
The depth chart right.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Oh Tommy, you're.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
The man.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
That might get you out thrown on my nephew.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Watch.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
You can see his arms.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
See let me go. Let me know South Beach, Tommy
coming up this weekend. That's a different time. Call my name.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
I got the bang zuocked.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
I'll see all Adam gren Let's go.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Thanks back points, sure, cheers, cheers. That's Tom Gallader, the
voice of FC Cincinnati. I'm so glad he puts up
with us every week. He is. So here's what we'll do.
We'll take a break. We got Charlie Goldsmith set to
join us at one o'clock, so when we get back,
if it presents itself, we'll take a call on the race.
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Speaker 4 (38:17):
Not to mention Greens place. I used to frequent from
time to time. Okay, here's the best thing I heard
about sports this morning. He may have heard it. Ben
Johnson threw both first teams out of practice.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
I love.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
And he said, he said, he said they were playing
with the same lack of intensity they had in spring training.
So beat it. Yeah's fantastic about he was pissed off Tony.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
When I first got to the University of Cincinnati. That
was Mark D'Antonio. He would kick people out of practice.
He would kick position groups out of practice. We would
be an hour and a half into a practice and
he wouldn't be happy, and we would restart the whole practice.
We'd be out there three and a half four hours
some days. That is that, that's a mentality you want
to talk about getting the attention of players. I think

(39:13):
if you're Ben Johnson, you're you're trying to you're trying
to completely rewrite a way of things being done the
wrong way in Chicago. And if it's early enough in
training care for you to make a statement like that,
I think that's a move you can do.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, he said, right now he is. Caleb Williams is
in his.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Craft house right now. He's not happy with it.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
I heard an interesting point with Damian Woody. You guys
like Damian Woody when he's on ESPN. I think he's
pretty good. I like offensive linemen. They're always very smart.
They seemed to be. And he said he was talking
about de Tray Henderson. They were talking about the Bengals,
and he said the one thing that bothered him. He

(40:00):
didn't say whose side he was on, necessarily, but he
said the one thing to bother him was when Mike
Brown came out and said, I'm having to deal with
Trey Henderson as opposed to or negotiating or talking, and
those words can piss people off if you're on there,

(40:20):
you know what I'm saying. So I thought that was
a really good point. One word can make a difference
in someone's impression of how you feel about them.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, he's kind of right, though he's dealing with a
guy who's under contract is not showing up.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Yeah, that's why didn't.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
They didn't take either side. They were just saying maybe
that wasn't the best word to choose, And you have
to agree with that, you have to, yeah, because evidently
the guy takes a lot of things to heart, mister Henderson.
So I don't know, it's just such a such a
convoluted situation. The other thing I wanted to bring up, guys,

(40:59):
but this guard's situation, and let's face it, Ted Carriss
is probably one of the most admirable people in this
world with what he does to help folks, and he's
a great center. But he's getting up there a little bit.
And like you said, like you guys have said, my
upset has said a few times he has hopefully doesn't
have to make up for Patrick on one side and

(41:21):
dude on, I'm sorry, I think lost and they but
any ore Cody Ford on the other sick, he's hoping
that that that Ted doesn't have to cover for those guys.
My point is if you when you play these teams
that do have Studley defensive tackles, that do have the
ability to get to the quarterback, are you going to
get your butt handed to you or especially Jill.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, that it's my biggest worry because from a quarterback standpoint,
edge pressure is not easy to deal with, but you
can navigate the pocket around edge pressure. When you get
pressure up the middle, you can't step into your throat,
you can't drive and finish. It's harder to escape the
pocket one way or the other. You'll worry about hitting
your helmet, your hand on a helmet, and things like that.

(42:06):
I think as a quarterback, I think pressure up the
middle is as hard to deal with for for a quarterback,
and I think that's why there needs to be that
emphasis on the guard position for the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
And this Al Bolden in closing, and I appreciate you.
Let to come on real quick here by Al Bolden,
I feel sorry for the guy because they're kind of
asking him to be Bill Parcells or Bill Belichick to
turn this defense around.

Speaker 9 (42:32):
It.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
I just it sounds so insurmouable to me, and I
hate to say that, but it does. The guys, it
sounds insurmole to me.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah, it is. You're You're one hundred percent right, Mike.
Thank you for the call. Man. Have a great weekend
as well. Uh the al Golden pieces, it's something I
want to get to uh when we get back, because
here already set to go at the top of our
number two Austin is our guy, Charlie Goldsmith. So we'll
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In two, this is a long stretch down here. Mike
Mills gets here like eight eight thirty in the morning,
stays until we're done to take things down. And our
guy Jim Mooring from the Holy Grail has helped down
in a couple of days. And today Bill a Siri
with Donado's pizza. They dropped off some watcha right when
practice ended. Could not be taken care of any better

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down here.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
You boys getting your fluids in down there, a lot
of fluids hot out right now.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
But shout out to Donato's man. Shout out to Billiseri
and hooking us up today. What a special treat we
get to do it every Friday. Talk to Charlie Goldsmith,
but rarely do I get to see Charlie in person.
And it's one of the things Austin that during the
training camp show I miss is the ability to roam
around the sidelines with Charlie and others and talk about
what's going on during practice. So I'm excited to have

(44:45):
Charlie here. He's sitting with us at an empty Bengals
practice field right now. And Charlie, before we even dive
into the team, I have to ask you, what did
you think of Mike Petralia as out there yesterday?

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Fashion is an individual thing and and I'm happy that
he is wearing clothes that that reflects his personality.

Speaker 8 (45:06):
Great.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Do you think it was a miss from Drags the
attention he got to not double up on something crazy today?

Speaker 6 (45:11):
You know what Tony I'm gonna talk to you about,
safety Blitzer, is that I got nothing on the fashion
stuff you were talking to.

Speaker 8 (45:17):
That's like asking Joe Burrow about.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
The Cincinnati cyclone, like asking me about the Cincinnati cyclones.
I've got absolutely no qualifications or fashion ability myself to
be able to weigh in in any sort of confident manner.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Do you think your clothes represent your personality?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Charlie?

Speaker 6 (45:33):
So, I mean, this is a conversation like, I mean,
what am I wearing today? A great polo and Khaki's like,
I'm very I very much stick to the basics, the
day one install stuff I'll be wearing most days.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I like this. I like this. I want to get
into the x's and o's and what we've seen it
camp to this point. But let's just talk about the
practices themselves. Years past Day one, Day two, Day three
of training camp. The country Club feel it had our
hour and fifteen minutes. They're off the field a little
bit lighter these first three days of practice, almost two
hours every day. It feels like I've seen more team drills.

(46:05):
It feels like I've seen more urgency. You mentioned thought
that it was from a non padded practice standpoint, some
of the most physical stuff you've seen to this point.
Talk to that. The nature of just the offseason plan
that we're talking about of trying to get off to
a faster start, and how you've seen that through three practices.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
It feels more like a college practice, which is a
good thing. They brought in a college defensive coordinator to
develop these young guys on defense examples today, Like I
got out of here fifteen minutes early tried to be early.
The whole defense was out here already doing a I
guess you could call it like a ball disruption circuit
where and this is another theme, like, it's not just
the defensive linemen are doing their drills.

Speaker 8 (46:43):
The safeties have their.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Thing the line.

Speaker 6 (46:45):
It's it's a rotation and guys are mixing different groups.
And you do this drill the natural and there word
dodgeballs involved, and then ideally you take it out on
the field.

Speaker 8 (46:53):
And on the field the word I.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
Keep using is there's a youthful exuberance. There's contact. Sometimes
there's guys going a little too far. You don't want that,
but you know what, I'm okay with that for now.
For a defense that has had nothing to be confident
about for two years, to show some of that enthusiasm,
youthful swagger, that's something they need if they want any chance.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
I don't want to spend too much time dwelling on
who's not here, but from a Trey Hendrickson standpoint, from
a Shamar Stewart standpoint, do you get the impression of
the field that that things are any closer today than
what they were yesterday or the day before.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
My answer to this question always is to Jesse Bates
technically not a holdout because he hadn't signed the franchise
tag getting twenty two and at the end of that season,
I had a long story on Jesse and I was
talking to Jesse and I said, Jesse, why'd you report
the day he did?

Speaker 8 (47:36):
And he goes, you know what, I just felt like it.
I wasn't planning on it. It changed. Trey and Schamar
are two very distinct personalities.

Speaker 6 (47:45):
Yeah, that are gonna change their mind at some point
because they're under contract and they're gonna play or else
their careers will be insignificant, a significantly different place. So
what that day is, frankly, I just think they're gonna
wake up one day and change their minds.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
What we have seen on the field, in my opinion,
Joe Burrow said the defense day one, it sounds like
the offense has won the last two days, and that's
what I expected. This is an offense that can be
at the top of the league, if not one of
the top three offenses in the NFL, and a defense
that has a new coordinator and a lot of new
pieces and young pieces that are learning a new system.
What has stood out to you the most to this

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point on the offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 8 (48:19):
It's funny.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
I've spent every ounce of energy I have trying to
focus on the defense. And that's the answer to the question.
The emphasis on the offensive side of the ball is
there's no new thing. There's no new Joe Burrow having
to go out of his way to teach a new
tight end the system. I will say this though, kind
of a fun wrinkle from today and I talked to
Jake Browning about this after practice. Was kind of the
theme of the day from an offensive standpoint. In the

(48:42):
red zone was they were doing the red zone drills.
You saw the Jamar Chase catch highlight, a lot of
pushing the back corner of the end zone with throws
that I compared to like the touchdown to end the
Baltimore game before the two point conversion, kind of that
lob over the two defensive back. They were doing a
lot of ideas like that today, Like there was a

(49:03):
wheel route to Chase Brown and well, that's new, that's
Chase Brown's versatility, that's confidence in him make a leaping play.
Jake Browning said, yeah, like that is an idea we're
building on in this offense because of the skill sets
we have.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
I saw yesterday the first play a team on the
opposite field, Joe Burrow found Jermaine Burton on a back
shoulder throw down the field. Today he found Jermaine Burton
multiple times in team drills. Jake Browning found Jermaine Burton.
It feels like, again small sample size three days in
you talk about the trust and the confidence of Joe
Burrow to Jermaine Burton and where this offense can take
off to if wide receiver three becomes that. What has

(49:39):
been your takeaway from watching Jermaine Burton through three days?

Speaker 6 (49:42):
A thousand percent agree with everything he said, especially the
caveat that it's just been three days. My line on
Jermaine Burton is at some point they're going to need
him to catch a deep ball down a sideline in
an important moment.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
But nobody can.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
You know, who knows whether it's going to be week one,
week seventeen, first quarter, third quarter, and Jermaine has.

Speaker 8 (49:58):
To be ready for that moment.

Speaker 6 (49:59):
Yeah, and he has to be there in that moment.
The early indications have been successful. Browning really went on
today talking about just the difference of Jermaine having a
feel for where he's supposed to be on the field
and building out that route.

Speaker 8 (50:13):
Tree Browning also said, you can really.

Speaker 6 (50:16):
Tell that Jermaine Burton used his summer with the way
he's running routes, with the confidence he has in the playbook.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
It's been the right stuff. It's early.

Speaker 6 (50:23):
He has to be ready in that moment whenever it comes.
But a successful first three days to this point.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Running back is an interesting spot for me because you
know it's Chase brown after that. There are things you
like about each of the guys that are in that room.
When all is said and done, do you think they
carry four running backs on this roster going forward?

Speaker 6 (50:44):
I have no idea how Zach Moss is going to look.
I think they guaranteed some of his money, so that's
a sign that I've liked what I've seen from TODs Brooks.
I like what I've seen from Todds Brooks as well.
His special teams value will probably be a part of
the conversation. Last year, they panicked in their mind by
having to trade for Khalil Herbert. I think they regretted

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that move. That's nothing against Khalil Herbert. But then in April,
when It's like, man, I wish we had more than
six picks. Learning that lesson from last year and the
atrition that running backs take, I do think if if
Moss looks good, they'll carry.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
For Noah Fan was here yesterday, he left without a
deal in place. What do we know about that? And
did you or do you think that Noah Fan would
fit well into this system.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
I absolutely love the fact that they brought him in
because the Bengals for for years have had undrafted free agents,
guys with barely NFL playing experience.

Speaker 8 (51:40):
All these guys who who It's who.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
As their training camp depth and then they entered the
season and no offense to any of these guys, but
they entered the season with you know, for example, you know,
like Logan Woods out as their third quarterback and travy
On Williams is their fourth running back, and you know
down the line, like I remember I was talking about
Devin Asiyassi yesterday, was there idea to brand in because
they've been over reliant on waiver claims, No go out

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and actually use the month of July to find guys
who could be your fifty third to maybe fifty eight
best player. And if one of them makes the team. Well,
that's better than where you want. And I do know
that they're looking more opportunities for that fant Brian Desmond Ridder.
They're strengthening the very very back of this roster.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I mean, how much do you think they got a
high Desmond Ridder during these preseason games so that he's
not picked up somewhere else on an NFL roster.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
I think that's like, actually, like there's a world where
that happens and someone picks them up as a back good.
I No one's told me this. I think the plan
is that he'll be the backup next season. Yeah, like
that's just me reading into nothing, but that's the idea
brown And will be gone developed someone in the system
like you did with Browning.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah. Is it too early in camp to talk about
O line and D line because you just don't get
the one on ones, the pads, the physical battles. Yet
it's hard to decipher. It's easy to see, okay, Jamar
Chase just flashed or running back. It's hard to tell
those trench battles. Are you able to decipher anything on
either of the lines?

Speaker 6 (53:01):
You know, Ted caris called the offensive line for the
first half of practice sloppy today. There was a lot
of broken plays, scrambled drill type stuff that you wish
were cleaner. But the defensive line was winning with no pads.
What does that really mean? I did spend a lot
of time watching Scott Peter's coach today, kind of during
individual drills, kind of spreading it around and not just
being hyper focused on Dylan Fairchild, but maybe looping Fairchild

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in the conversations that help him catch up the speed
in those ways. Fairchild just watching him move sleds and
do all that physical stuff. Does have better physical tools
than all the other guards, and he seemed to be
taking the coaching.

Speaker 8 (53:35):
Will you know.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
I won't name names, but Peter showed some frustration with
some other guys, so that wasn't happening with Fairchild.

Speaker 8 (53:41):
So that I see is a good sound of where he's.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
At defensively, not diving in much to the defensive line
linebacker position. I think is unique for this team because
Logan Wilson was on this unbelievable trajectory and it flattened out.
He's still a really good player, but we've seen some injuries.
They went and got orin Barks who had a final
little playoff run. But then after getting him, they drafted

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Demetrius Knight with one of their higher draft picks. How
do you view the linebacker room right now as a
strength for this team.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
I think Logan Wilson's a really under the radar storyline
because he did drop off last season. And frankly, and
I've heard this, and I also saw this. I think
we all saw this. Him getting downhill against the run,
attacking a gap, taking on contact wasn't at the level
that Logan Wilson should be out last season a violence
to his game now was that because the injury he
was dealing with that eventually ended his season, probably, but

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finding that gear again is the next step for him,
and he's still plenty young enough to handle that. They're
rotating in linebackers more than any position obviously. I even saw
Joe Giles Harrison there getting some not notable snaps. But he's
in there, and you know, we don't know his name.
They're setting this upisode of Metrius Knight, I think wins
this battle.

Speaker 8 (54:52):
Barrett Carter's intriguing.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
They're also going to get more linebackers on the field
anyway against twelve personnel, so there's a role for him
or maybe Burks to in. I don't think Burke says
an inside track at all to start. A lot's being
put on Knight's plate. So far, he's handling the mental stuff.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Well, safety corner the secondary as a whole. Again, it's
hard because you mentioned the play and everyone's seen the
video now. Joe Barlow, Jamar Chase couldn't cover it any better,
like you're gonna get beat on situations like that. But
we saw yesterday te Higgins got over top of the defense.
We've seen some some mist assignments. How much do you
make of what you've seen from the secondary through a

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couple of days.

Speaker 8 (55:28):
A lot more than any of the position. This is
the position I'm watching thoroughly.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
It's very much almost an exploratory phase with the secondary,
from what matchups do you work best in? What roles
would alignments slot outside? They're kind of letting that play
itself out or sort itself out by moving guys around.

Speaker 8 (55:45):
That's also a part.

Speaker 6 (55:46):
Of the new identity of this defense. I also you
see and have heard this. The idea in the plan
is that the biggest difference from the coordinator change will
be reflected in the fresh start the camp Taylor brit gets.
He's getting a much fresher start. He's kind of being
treated a lot differently in the role he has and
what he's allowed to do. I think that helps him

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be confident vocally, be confident in his play, not be
looking over his shoulder after he makes a mistake. I
think that's nice to see. But he also has a
lot to clean up, and then you know, get Das back.
I think Big Newton has the factor, but it has
to cover I'm not the highest guy on DJ Turner.

Speaker 8 (56:22):
But we'll see how this evolves.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
You know, I was I was thinking yesterday when I
was years ago playing and just how overwhelmed I was
when you get that playbook and camp starts, and then
the playbook expands even more, and there's never a time
where things slow down, Like if you don't stay up
to speed, you get left behind. They can't hold your
hand and move you along. And I'm thinking of that

(56:45):
as it relates to Shamar Stewart because he's not here.
He didn't do anything in the offseason other than show
up and watch. But for a rookie like that who
is not here and is not getting the playbook and
is not getting the reps on the field outside of
the physical shape that he's in. At what point does
it become a concern that you hit a threshold of
the preseason and say, well, you can't really rely on

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him this year because he's not gonna be able to
get up to the speed mentally and what you're able to
do now, maybe you have a package on third and seven,
you say, hey, just go in and get after the quarterback.
But is there a threshold you can see where Shamar
Stewart where you can thank like they're not gonna be
able to get him up to speed mentally or physically
to the.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
Season, especially because like he's not competing with you know,
bad defensive.

Speaker 8 (57:25):
End X for snaps.

Speaker 6 (57:26):
It's like, if you're just raiding these guys and where
they're at right now, you could make the case for
any of Joseph Seimaus Murph or Shamar Stewart right now
week one being the guy set up to be the
best and.

Speaker 8 (57:37):
The worst of that group.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
And if you're the worst, you're defensive end four and
you're fighting for snaps, let alone a role.

Speaker 8 (57:44):
The narrative of Stewart.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
Has shifted so much and obviously the focus is where
it should be. Sure we forget what the real narrative
where Shamar Stewart is, and that's can this guy affect
the quarterback? Can this guy finish? What does this guy
have to learn and develop? And do the Bengals have
the right plan to maximize that. That's all the stuff
that and again we'll see if he's good, But all
the stuff that had Bengals fans concerned immediately when they

(58:05):
made the pick. We still know none of that about
Shamar Stewart. That's a huge piece on Al Golden's plate
since the draft, and especially now as your time gets
compressed in shrinks by the day.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
We talked about this earlier. With Evan McPherson on this team,
there's not really that can't battle that's happening. But Evan
McPherson did not have a good year last year. What
do you view if let's say Game one comes and
let's say he trots out there for a forty six
yarder and misses it against Cleveland, What is the conversation
for a team that is trying to limit the margin

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for air. Is there a scenario if he doesn't get
back to form where you can see a player being
brought in to push Evan McPherson. Knowing how that played
itself out last year.

Speaker 6 (58:48):
I think you'd be further than week one. But if
he's terrible then yes, of course, especially with the lack
of bankability he had last season, that builds up and accumulates.

Speaker 8 (58:59):
The real story with Evan is and I don't think
this has been talked about enough is the.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
Story of his career is really injuries. What hasn't been
discussed enough is he has had a lingering right groin
injury since twenty twenty one that he actually pushed through
in the postseason that year, that impacted him as a strain.
In twenty twenty two, he had a bad year. Completely
healthy in twenty twenty three, awesome, earns a new deal.
Twenty twenty four, lingering progresses, gets worse fully, tears season

(59:24):
ending injury, goes an Iard end the season. That tear
obviously leads to a reevaluation. Looking at the process, There's
been a lot of kind of behind the scenes physical stuff,
and you have all that kind of stuff that he's
doing because kind of like Nick Lodola, when.

Speaker 8 (59:39):
He's healthy, he's Mike Lodolo, and I think Evans focus
is health right now, and if that health is there,
there will be more confidence.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Well, since you brought it up, Charlie, let's switch gears
to the Reds really quickly. We've already seen a couple
dominoes fall. Gregory Soto traded earlier today to the New
York match. Josh Naylor last night goes for Arizona to
the Seattle Mariners. We know there's mutual interest between the
Reds and Arizona Diamondbacks about a Uhaneo Suarez. Do you

(01:00:09):
think the Reds will make a move for a rental
even though you know two games back some people are
critical of them going after a rental. What do you
think their strategy will be at the deadline?

Speaker 6 (01:00:19):
They're interested in a rental, And if the Diamondbacks surprise
me and they view Adam sarwe Elseki or Ricardo Cabrera
or someone like Riccardo Preyer is heard, you get the point.
I'm Ricky Sanchez, so I'm thinking of like, if they
view someone like that at a different tier and surprise
all of us, great, let's do that. Let's trade one
of your mid range ish prospects.

Speaker 8 (01:00:40):
For rental like Swarz. I'd be all in for that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
But the problem is, and what's not getting discussed enough,
like this Aoheno Suarez market is extremely, extremely extremely competitive.
The Yankees, that keep saying, are so desperate for third
base that they brought in Jamer Candelaria to be on
their Triple A, hoping that while Pop and he has
not been great. The Mets, it's reported, are out on
swar but they need help at third. The Cubs are
a huge one that needs help. With Theird, the Mariners,

(01:01:04):
they're all these teams more aggressive. The problem is, and
this is just where the heads are. One of the
reads ever been the most.

Speaker 8 (01:01:10):
Aggressive compared to those teams.

Speaker 6 (01:01:12):
They'd have to be to get They'd have to be
to get Suarez.

Speaker 8 (01:01:16):
They'd have to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
So unless there's some crazy disalignment between how the Reds
view of prospect and the Diamondbacks, would that be tougher.
I love the idea of getting a second Nick Martinez
and adding to this, adding that to this pitching staff.

Speaker 8 (01:01:29):
That's my focus.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
What about Hunter Green? Are we are we any further
along and understanding where Hunter Green is at in his process?

Speaker 8 (01:01:37):
So I asked Brad Metta, the general manager. And here's
why I phrased it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
I'll recreate the question I said in twenty twenty three
year plan at the deadline was you were counting on
Hunter Green and Nick Litola returning from injuries and picking
up their rotation.

Speaker 8 (01:01:48):
Carrying the rotation.

Speaker 6 (01:01:50):
Lodola never returned, Green returned and was inconsistent before a
strong finish. What can you expect and how does a
guy being heard at this type of year impact your planning?
And Brad answered that in a fascinating way, and he's
right because there was a kind of dumb element to
this question. Because what Brad's answer was was Hunter Green's
one of the best pitchers in baseball.

Speaker 8 (01:02:09):
We are planning for him to be in her rotation.
That's where the.

Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
Reds you're at, and I know herk guy comes back
at the deadline is the most over you. You know,
we all you know, look at it however you want
to look at it. But they they are planning for
Hunter Green to go back in the rotation and pitch
at a high level. That's part of that's just because
whenever Hunter's ready, you're going to give him that opportunity.

Speaker 8 (01:02:28):
Because of the ceiling that he has, so it's gone
on longer than it expected.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
The word I keep using is confusing, but he checked
off the first box in Arizona the other day and
he'll keep progressing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Was moving Noelvie Martine to right field something that they
did with the thought of going and potentially acquiring a
third basement or bringing one up or something like that.

Speaker 8 (01:02:49):
It certainly helps the flexibility.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
The original idea was that, I mean, it was what
Friday in New York. You had Martin and Martin at
third Andes.

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
But all and right, you look at you is you know,
this is just a better team if these guys are swapped.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
Sure, also long term considerations with Sala Stewart coming up.
But yes, there are short term considerations. But I think
what everyone wants the Reds to do is go get
like this great bat like Suarez. I think it's just
a bad class for that type of battle. Like Suarz
is great. There's gonna be a heck of a bidding
war for him. There are a couple other fun ones.
We'll see what the Red Sox do with some of
the guys they have, but I think it's just a

(01:03:23):
bad Maybe there's an exception, but I think it's just
not quite a good enough class there to say, oh, yes,
get all one of these great third basemen, because you know,
Ryan McMahon and Ramonaius don't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Do much for it right now. Do you view them
as a playoff team.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
I think they're a team worth giving a real shot
without sacrificing the future, which I think, or which is
how they view it as well, and as frustrating as
that is for a team that hasn't won a postseason
series since nineteen ninety five, that's the world they have
to live in, especially because of the risk of going
all in with the potential of a work stoppage in
twenty seven. Because if they go all in and then

(01:03:58):
the bill comes due in twenty seven and then they
have all these other limitations, well then they're in a
terrible spot. So that's got to be in their mind.
That's where they are. It's not fun, it's not a
high enough ceiling, but that's.

Speaker 8 (01:04:08):
Where they're at.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Do you think how they perform over the next month
will play a role in whether or not they call
up sal Stuart or do they have a plan for
him that they're gonna stick to regardless of where they're
at in the hunt.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
I mean, a player on this accelerator of a timeline
always kind of controls his own destiny. And the Stewart
timeline reminds me a lot of the Nouelovi Marte timeline.
In twenty three and he was called up in the
middle of August. I want to say, wasn't like an
every everyday guy, but they mixed him in like that's
that's an all in move, calling up god a solidifire
bench like that. Now he has struggled a bit, like
his first week in Triple A, He'll be fine.

Speaker 8 (01:04:42):
I could see him up. Stuart's very confident that'll be
up at some point this season.

Speaker 6 (01:04:45):
Hector Rodriguez too, Like you guys know, I've I've planned
my salth Stewart flag and I'm continuing to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Has you brought it here with you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Hector is a.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
Guy who I'm not saying he's sal but Hector belonged.
Hector deserves more buzz as a guy who can be
into some position.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
I have to ask before we let you go. It's
a big weekend the Tampa Bay Razor in Town Bengals
training camps happening the music festivals here. The Big Three
is in town. I've been to that ice Cube and
the Big Three are in town. Lionel Messi was sanctioned.
He's not playing against FC Cincinnati tomorrow night. How are
you planning to spend your weekend here in Cincinnati, Charlie?

Speaker 6 (01:05:23):
Would you like to see my color coded spreadsheet and
know we're on the radio. Yes, so this won't completely
trans yes, but I've got this planned out through the
Broncos Monday night game.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Look at this, Charlie, if I could, if I could
just paint this picture Austin. Charlie just pulled up literally
a color coded sheet right now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
This sounds like what he's got going Dan Horde esque
with his travels.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Guys, So what do we got?

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
So?

Speaker 6 (01:05:44):
Like tomorrow the Bengals are off, so I won't say that.
We'll skip to Sunday practice at ten that's highlighted in orange.
Then at eleven, I have a red sliver because it's
a Red's Day game. I'm going to try to make
it to the Reds pregame availability first before I get
over to practice because of the timing and that red
slivers are reminder of that. Then there are two more
orange slivers to reflect that through one o'clock. Ideally I'll

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be a Bengals practice in locker room. Then it moves
from orange to red with the words Red's day game
going red through the rest of the day as I'll
go there and then right off the reds and I
have that again through every day, including my travel until
September twenty. I've been before. It's you know, I love
to see.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
The the Lance Stevenson's in the house.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Do you have since three on there?

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Oh? Oh, what color would that be? What color would
that be?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah? What color would you use for us?

Speaker 8 (01:06:35):
You know the podcast appearances I do.

Speaker 6 (01:06:36):
I just haven't white, okay, so that would just be
a plain white Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
All right, Charlie. You are the best man. Charlie. I
can't thank you for coming out here enough. And it
spends some time with us, enjoy what is a busy weekend.
It looks like based on your your color here, I
really do. It's fantastic. This is awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
I've got Bengals guys asking me about the deadline of
that Red's guys asking me about Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Yeah, you've got when we said this, yes, Shay You've
got two organizations that have like once in generational talent
that are looking to build around to build a championship.
Reds with Eli Bengals with Joe Burrow, and you get
to cover it all.

Speaker 8 (01:07:12):
It's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Charlie, Thank you so much. Man talkbacks from next. We
got a gift card to give away on ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Now on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 8 (01:07:30):
To the top.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Now, let's just do that. We're we're here at Bengals
training camp and since he three sixty thanks to a
dorm windows, thanks to Cincy' shirts, They're gonna provide a
gift card that we can a gift card we can
give away today. But let's make no mistake about this, Austin,
this is an uphill battle for anybody today. Oh yeah,
after Ozzy, right, Grace does yesterday with his Nick kraltoon

(01:08:15):
from the other side. Yeah, this is going to be
an extremely, extremely difficult task. But if I know one thing,
as I saw a guy Hank killed down here at
Bengals training camp, he was there today. Hank was here.
We brought the whole family. Uh, he grabbed some of
that Donado's Pizzai Hanks, Hank and others. They're always up

(01:08:36):
for the task. We'll see if anyone can can push
Ozzy today.

Speaker 10 (01:08:40):
Hey fellas, it's big and start bench cut running around
the Bengals practice field and one hundred and thirty degree
heat index, wearing a full sweatsuit like a dang idiot
trying to get to the yellowjacket queen with a pickaxe,
wearing a full sweatsuit like a damn madman. Or let's say,

(01:09:01):
going to your boss's wedding and your job's on the line.
Mind you wearing a full sweatsuit, grin like a damn fool.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
I'll cut going to the wedding in a full sweatsuit.
That's just terrible decorum. Yeah, i will bench running around
a field in sweats and I'll start pick axe and
the heck out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
No, I'm gonna start running a rest, I'm gonna cut. Actually,
I think I'm gonna cut the pick axe and I'll
bench going to a wedding. What did you end up
doing last night?

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Boiling up, boiling water, don dish shop, and a foam
yellow jacket spray all were used over the course of
about two hours last night, we were able to use
the pick axe after the foam and we were able
to pull the stump up enough that we got a
view of part of the actual hive. Yeah, we're assuming

(01:09:58):
that the queen was hidding some where and there we
sprayed that with every known chemical demand, and we sat
there and waited. The problem is all these bees they
come in at night. Sure they don't hunt in the
night because they're they're threatened. Right, So all these bees
started coming back and they couldn't get into where they
were going. So we would sit there and spray them

(01:10:19):
as they were coming back. And now the big test
will be this afternoon getting home, seeing if if that's
held up, or seeing if they're back and they're they're
bigger and stronger than ever. Yeah, I mean, well, what
the next step is if they're still there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
What you would ideally, what would have happened, would be
that the queen would have escaped at that point when
you opened it up, because what happens is once and
they would have come back or whatever it is. Because
what happens once they determine a hive is no longer
a place that they could go. They go hunting for
the other one and the other bees. I don't know how,

(01:10:51):
but they know how to follow them, so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Hopefully Queen was what if the Queen has passed?

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
But if the Queen has locked herself.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Inside, I don't know how to get to her. I
don't know what if she's no longer with us?

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
That's a good question.

Speaker 11 (01:11:05):
Hello, this is former President Ronald Reagan. And well, perhaps
I got into a bad batch of jellybeans. But I'm wondering,
have we gotten to the point as Red's vans, that
we're actually just hoping that they make it through each
series without getting swept.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
That's a banner, that is banner worthy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:11:27):
Shout out to that disheveled guy running laps at Bengals
training camp. I myself am a runner. I've run a
marathon in twenty nine states, believe it or not. Shout
out a door and window A stands for Amy and
Aaron sisters. What up, ladies?

Speaker 13 (01:11:48):
Do you know?

Speaker 14 (01:11:49):
Raise?

Speaker 12 (01:11:49):
Saint Clair's middle name, it's chocolate. Sometimes with my coffee,
I like to have a chocolate Saint Clair.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
I nice. Yeah, as I was.

Speaker 12 (01:11:59):
Saying, a chocolate Saint Clair is my favorite pastry. Shout
out Kentucky Speedway. Shout out Vanity played.

Speaker 14 (01:12:10):
Sure, Honestly, I'm more worried about the Bengals offensive line
than I am the defense, even without Trey Hendrickson and
Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
Happy Friday, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Boy, it's hot out there.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
It's almost hottered than a Joe Burrow passed to JAMAI
chase for a tuddy anyway, ton I hope you know.
I was just teasing yesterday. I do appreciate you and
Austin very much. Everybody stays safe in his heat out there.

Speaker 15 (01:12:43):
Take care and to have a fantastic weekend, and don't
forget to always foo day.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
I had to tell the little man, you know, Wilder,
yesterday we were we got home. He at home and
he said, are the Reds on tonight? And I'm like,
my guy been away on vacation. Now you want to
watch the Reds again? I love it? And I said no,
I said they play tomorrow. He said, can we go
to the game. I just don't have it in me

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in the in this weather.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Kid, You just got back from vacation. Pal, why don't
you start working?

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Why don't you how about you lay down and just
rest on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Tommy Tuberville get a job.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
Yes, man, do you cakes know what no offense?

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Middle name is?

Speaker 16 (01:13:26):
Sick?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
He's a sycophan.

Speaker 12 (01:13:28):
You know what a sycophan is. It's a person who
acts obsequiously towards someone.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Important in order to gain advantage.

Speaker 12 (01:13:34):
That's kind of like how Bill Cunningham acts around Donald Trump.
Earlier this week, I asked Austin, Hey, what's Trey Hendrickson's
middle name?

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
And I told him it.

Speaker 12 (01:13:43):
Was Ketomy Trake Keanomy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Austin's like, I don't wonder what that is.

Speaker 12 (01:13:47):
Trachonomy is a surgical airway management procedure which consists of me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Yeah, I know what a tracheotomy is. I didn't get
it at the at the moment, I just didn't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
One of my favorite things on the show. Middle name, Yeah, you.

Speaker 17 (01:14:00):
Are in the sky. Noah fant in, Noah fan out.
Come on, Bengals, let's get this guy signed. He'd be
a great addition to the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
I think you would as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah, it looks like he's going to New Orleans to
visit the Saints today. Tony, what's going on all your boy?

Speaker 12 (01:14:21):
Jizz he get kicked off the team.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
I don't know what's going on with.

Speaker 16 (01:14:27):
This shrubberry ice jackpot Joe, He's never going to be
a thing.

Speaker 18 (01:14:30):
Let it go, move on with your life.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Hey has upright in the.

Speaker 8 (01:14:41):
Tony, Tony, Tony?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Is you know how you see blue ash all the way?

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
I tried to get route for you see Claremont.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
But their home court is made of carpet. And I'm concerned.

Speaker 8 (01:14:54):
I gotta tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
You see Clifton this year, I'm concerned about this football team.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
They have no receivers that have caught a ball.

Speaker 8 (01:15:01):
I heard that yesterday and it scares.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Me to death. Be be all right, Tony Austin.

Speaker 19 (01:15:09):
Ball in easy ball man. Sean desen Ridder getting interviewed
looking tired disgruntles from the Bengals locker room.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Rocker, locker room, excuse me talking to one by Joe Daneman.

Speaker 8 (01:15:22):
Strangely reminiscent of all.

Speaker 20 (01:15:25):
When I saw that video of him getting interviewed in
the locker room telling us how get his elbow?

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
Felt sets the quarterbacks?

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Man, They just can't get.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Over the home can he turned the radio down say that,
but he's got fifteen to thirty playing, So I'll let it.
I respect it, but man, he's ever a guy who's
never been interviewed after a three on three win.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
You never lied like you did through your teeth that
day about your elbow. Huh No, best up to Kikahui Kentucky.

Speaker 21 (01:15:50):
I think after this year, Amarus Meham's, Chris Jenkins, Jermaine
burd All going to perform high. I think you're going
to change your narrative on Duke Tobin and this is
gonna go down one of the best draft class in
Bengals history. Also, if Trent Irwin's still on the team
or is he finally out of the building, I feel
better with that guy out of the building than in
the building.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
And I'm not a big fan of Yoshi.

Speaker 21 (01:16:09):
I know y'all think him crazy. Oh that you're not
gonna like it, but I'm telling you, I think the
Bengals should.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
Go sign taroll Owens for a red zone.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Draws Gosh, I like, TiO, let's go get to yo.
Who cares Trent Darwin? Josh Jacksonville. Yeah, he got a
couple of the Bengals late last year.

Speaker 7 (01:16:28):
Oh set from Simps telling you can.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
You try to explain that thing about breaking the rule.
I don't even know what the hell you were.

Speaker 7 (01:16:39):
Talking I shuck for the first time.

Speaker 8 (01:16:43):
Ever and I have no idea what you're talking about.
You said, some guy Tommy could explain it better.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
Well, could you put Tommy on?

Speaker 19 (01:16:52):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Come on, you're on the radio.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Everybody just relax.

Speaker 18 (01:17:00):
What do you get when you add Shamarsh Stewart.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
And Mike Brown with Austin Elmore.

Speaker 19 (01:17:10):
Near prittesh Filus, Hank Hill here and oh down here
leaving Bengals training camp with the fam?

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Uh?

Speaker 19 (01:17:23):
Big ups to Tony's sitting out there doing that rageous show.
I ain't for the week and this key and Bob
Dount what else? Got a Donado's cheesy bread a standing
camp from a friend, won't name who, but I always
have a Donado's cheesy bread when I come to Bengals
training camp, and so should you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
We gotta love more? Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
He was literally he was standing right behind me. I finished.
I was like, you wants a pizza? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:17:52):
This is Charlie Goldstick's mother.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
I know he thinks it doesn't work.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
Comes to this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yeah. We didn't have time to get into this, but
Charlie's maybe hottest take of all time took place yesterday. Oh,
which is that he doesn't believe in sunscreen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Wait what Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
We didn't have time for it today or else he'd
still be there. But yeah, he doesn't believe in sunscreen.
That can't be that's true. He thinks it doesn't work.
Being that, like, there's just mountains of evidence that suggested does.
I just don't understand.

Speaker 20 (01:18:32):
Being that the Bengals had no effect come in after
he got released by Seattle makes me think that maybe
they aren't pursuing any free agents just yet to see
who gets broken off by There are teams that cut
down day heading into the season to see if maybe
there's some better options fingers crossed at least.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Yeah, and they've done that a lot over the last
couple of years. They've been very active on the waiver
wire towards the middle to end of training camp.

Speaker 22 (01:19:01):
Okay, welcome to Sinsy Shirts Round Table discussion to brainstorm
things that rhyme and our jingle, you know, our commercial jingle.
So we got to line ends with Pete Rose and
we need things that rhyme with Rose.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Let's see you guys.

Speaker 15 (01:19:20):
Came up with nose slows, grows blows.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
I'm not going to finish that based off of the inscription.
Can't say that, Tony. This is pig Leg Pete calling ya.

Speaker 23 (01:19:33):
Paulie and I wanted to let you know we really
enjoy the fashion updates from Bengal's training camp between the
Hey Dude shows, the Banana Travia outfit, and GQ Joe Dunnoman.
We thought we would help you out and send some
items to help up your game. Unfortunately, Polly thinks that
if we sent pig Legs, eye patches and pirates hats,

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Bengal Security might think you are representatives of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
We own the Bucks, so it's good.

Speaker 15 (01:20:03):
Hey, Tony, I gotta call you out man. You know
how you like background noises and stuff with talkbacks, and
it's interesting to you. I take it you're in a
tent or something with your headsets on. We can hear
the wind blowing like three or.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Mike, that's a fan that's blowing through here. Because it's
one hundred and twenty degrees.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
It's okay with me, but it's something you definitely notice.
All right, Yeah, we just gotta.

Speaker 8 (01:20:31):
Dies on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Sorry, it's one hundred and thirty degree. My apologies, we
turn the fans off.

Speaker 16 (01:20:37):
I'm in the landscaping field about ninety milling properties and
we deal with these yellow jackets, hornets, ground hornets, whatever
you want to call them, on a yearly basis, and
this is the time of year that they are most active.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
You need a product called Tempo dust.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
Get it on Amazon.

Speaker 16 (01:20:58):
I keep it in my truck for these occasions.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Somebody did tweet a US yesterday about tempo dust too, Yeah,
so apparently that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:21:09):
Hey, it's been a long time coming. I'm so excited
to hear this extension got finished. Danny Hamlin was a
great NASCAR driver. Joe Gibbs Racing awesome organization is too,
a really good match. So God shout out to Denny Hamlin.
Congratulations on getting this extension done.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Wow, congrats to Denny. Wow, he's my favorite NASCAR driver.
So wow, that was our last one. All right, do
we need to break and come back? Yeah, we'll break
and come back. I have four totals saved from the week.
I don't think anybody's gonna beat Ozzy Osbourne, but they
have four total, and I think we should do a

(01:21:46):
free and fair election.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
That's fair, all right. Everything we like to do is fairness. Yes,
that's coming up next. It's since he three to sixty.
Sorry for the fan out. They're they're cutting the grass
and they're plowing the grass as well. You want me
to go ask if they can stop doing that as well? Yeah?
Are we good? ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Welcome back, thanks for joining us, Cincy three sixty ESPN
fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. We are here live at
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these many years. We have a talkback gift card to
give away thanks to Cincy Shirts. You said, we have
four finalists Austin. Let's get to him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
We do, starting with I believe Monday. Here's number one. Hey, Aunie,
I'm a repeat Wiener. Every time I go to Skyline,
I just.

Speaker 15 (01:23:06):
Repeat getting cheese conies with onions and mustard.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
So you don't know this, but on Monday, I accidentally,
instead of Winner said Weiener.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
And from that point forward there were a lot of
Wiener related talkbacks to say the least okay, and that
was Jim's It was Jim.

Speaker 11 (01:23:32):
Hello, this is former President Ronald Regan. And well, I
ran into Trey Hendrickson last night on the beach. When
I came up to him, I said, hey, what's happening, Captain?
He didn't like that too much. But seriously, off the
top of my brill cream coated head, I can name
five people that I'd rather have as a Bengal captain
than Tree Captain, Ahab Captain, Crunch Captain, Kangaroo Captain, Caveman

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and the Cap.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Than it's an eel.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
It's well done, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Here's number three. I want to be captain, No Cap.

Speaker 18 (01:24:09):
I want to be captain.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Yeah, no cap.

Speaker 18 (01:24:12):
Seventeen sacks helped me out Max thirty five mil that's
the bill.

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
Want to be captain?

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
No cap not bad done, well done?

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
And finally, oh yes, Crawl Man, you smell?

Speaker 24 (01:24:30):
Will you Bie?

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Will you sail?

Speaker 13 (01:24:33):
No more?

Speaker 7 (01:24:35):
Connor Joe Man, That dudes gotta go.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Nobody likes Crawl he just thinks it his job.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
You better get swall raise.

Speaker 12 (01:24:50):
I need permission from Bob.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
So good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
That's my vote.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Yeah, that's easy when you're getting when you're getting tweets
right after a talkback plays that, that is the winner.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Yep, call off the dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
That's easy for us. Man call him so we're good
to go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Congrats to Terry. I believe it's the second time Terry
has won. So we try not to go back to
back winners very often, but every once in a while
we'll have multiple winners. I know Kevin has won more
than once as well, so that's the duty of our show.
You can win more than once.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Well done from everyone. We have a time here for
a Postman loll injury report. If you're injured, dial eight
four to four Postman Postman. They always deliver anything new
from a red standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
I don't believe so I didn't see.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Any injuries at Bengals camp today. Other than Lucas Patrick
left the field. They were looking at his right calf,
according to James Rapine, but he did walk off the
field on his own power. It's been a very healthy
three days of training camp up to this point. Hunter
Green struck out four batters and gave up no hits
in one walk over two scoreless innings. Scull's first rehab

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start on Wednesday at rookie level in the Arizona Complex League.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
I think he's supposed to throw a side bullpen on
Sunday in Arizona and then go to Louisville.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
So that is believe that's the plan for Hunter. That's
that's our Postman Law injury report. Do we have an
update on our poll question? Here?

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Austin All Revivefitnessystems dot com. Pole question presented by Revivefitnessystems
dot Com and coach PJ. Street, Which second year Bengals
player will have the biggest impact this season? Close race
right now? Thirty four percent say Chris Jenkins, followed by
thirty one percent saying Josh fig Newton, and then twenty

(01:26:50):
eight percent say Jermaine Burton, with just six percent saying
McKinley Jackson. We did have somebody reply and say Eric
all which I guess him not being there does have
an impact. Okay, I don't know if this person was
being facetious or not, but I guess that is true.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Well, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
The Colorado Rockies, by the way, have just made a deal.
They have traded Ryan McMahon to the New York Yankees.
Ryan McMahon is, if I'm not mistaken, the best Colorado Rockies.
And was he not the guy that was just in
the All Star Game? I believe so, I believe he was.

(01:27:32):
So far in his career he's hitting two forty with
one hundred and forty homers, four and fifty two RBI.
Have been with the Rocky since twenty seventeen. He was
an All Star last year, not this year. Infielder, left handed,
batting infielder, thirty years old. He goes to the New
York Yankees in a trade.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
All right, here come the Yankees.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Well, here's the thing. The Rockies got two young right
handers in exchange for him, or excuse me, two young pictures,
a lefty and a right rity in exchange for Ryan McMahon,
which could theoretically not quite you know, take the Yankees
out of the running for au Haaneo Suarez. By the way,

(01:28:17):
John Hayman of New York Post Sports MLB Network Insiders
said that the Phillies have emerged as a potential fit
for a u Haaneo Suarez now that Alec Boehm is injured.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Okay, here we go, uh buckle in. We'll continue that
on the Cincinnati Reds. We've got more on the Bengals.
We're gonna check in because of the weather today with
our guy Bob Manjean from Novacare and Molager will join
us for quick hits as well. All in our number
three coming up next on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports
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Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Hey, it's our three as you heard right there, thanks
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Solver let's go around real quick from a sports standpoint
before we jump back into the Bengals. Couple things have
happened while we've been on air. Leonnel Messi is not
gonna play against FC Cincinnati tomorrow night. That's correct, that
has been confirmed.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
The swift hand of justice with Major League Soccer has
come down upon one Leonel Messi.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
And they do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
And Jordi Alba, who is just as much of a threat,
maybe not as much of a threat as Messi, but
still a really good player for Miami. They both skipped
the MLS All Star Game, and by rule, if you
do that, you can't play in your next match. And
that's what's happening. FC Cincinnati will not face two All
Stars for Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
They should do that in baseball for all those players
that play like the first or second No.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
I kind of like that idea.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
You mentioned that home run showdown at the end. If
it's Aaron Judge and Otani and those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Right, or like you know, at the Pro Bowl, nobody
ever shows up to the Pro Bowl anymore, Well, will
dock you one hundred thousand dollars if you don't show
up to them? Or something like that you know what
I mean. Well, Trey's already one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars down the drain through three days.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Believable. The Ryan McMahon trade, we've got a little more
understanding of that, U. You were telling me some of
the details over the break of what the Yankees gave
up to get Ryan McMahon from the Colorado Rocket.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Yes. So Ryan McMahon's gonna play third for the Yankees,
which means they're out now on au Haneo Suarez. They
had been talking to the Diamondbacks, but John Hayman said
there was a gap in the talks and the Yankees
pivoted to Ryan McMahon. In exchange for Ryan McMahon, they
gave up their eighth and twenty first best pitching prospects
or best prospects total in the Yankees organization, won a

(01:32:57):
left hand or won a right hander, so two top
twenty prospects essentially in exchange for Ryan McMahon. Right now,
you said number what numbers number seven, number eight, number
twenty one, So right now.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
I'm pulling up for the Cincinnati Reds. Number eight is
Edwin Arroyo. Okay, number twenty one ranked for the Reds
is Ricky Cabrera.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
That's I believe that's who Charlie talked about earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Yeah, those are according to MLB dot Com prospect rankings.
Those are the Reds.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Top prospects at eight and twenty one at eight and
twenty one. Now, I don't know the difference between the
like what the different out the different outlets rank the
Reds systems compared to others.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
One South Store two, Red Ladder three, Cam Callier four
on this list for the Cincinnati Reds.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
So I did see the athletic put out, you know,
trades we want to see every team make, and it
included sending Cam Callier to Arizona in exchange for h
Fray Haneoswarre isn't I I don't think they would do that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Henny O. Suarez. We're here at Bengals training camp. Practice
is done. There is a I don't know what this
machine is in front of me that's being used. But
the grounds crew has not stopped working on this field
since since twelve fifteen. It's incredible. Yeah, the condition that
they keep this field in down here right across the
street from pay Corp Stadium. So shout out to the

(01:34:22):
grounds crew a couple other news worthy items. It's the
it's FC Cincinnati or Miami. That game is tomorrow night
Red's host the Tampa Bay Rays. Over this this upcoming
weekend starting tonight. Who's on the bump tonight for the
Red Legs.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
I believe it is Nick Martinez who starts for Cinnati tonight.
Maybe is it his last start for the Reds?

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Question Mark send tweet. Nick Martinez going up against right
hander by the name.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Of Zach Lttel.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Zach Lettel, who has a three point five to three
e r A four Tampa. The Reds have faced him before.
No Reds have ever hit home off of Zach Lttel,
but Noelvi Marte. He's won for one. Tyler Stevenson has
won for four. Austin Hayes three for six against him
in his career with a couple of extra base hits.
So uh not entirely unfamiliar.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Both of both of these teams fifty three and fifty
on the season. Uh so sitting very similar when it
comes to a record stand.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Something's gotta gives.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
Got to give this weekend right, they don't play to
a tie?

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Big three isn't Cincinnati this weekend. What else is happening
here this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
I think that the jazz Fest is going on. I
think Earth Wind and Fire is down there. There's a
lot going on. Getta Fest is happening in Newport. You
like Getta? No, of course not.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
Get out of here, Georgan.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
I'm making Uh, I'm making hanky pankys for the first time.
Do you like those?

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
No, no, no, not with Getta.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Hanky panky that's moose poop. It's my favorite. Is just
my favorite app.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
There's a lot of different to describe it. Sleep on
a shingle, polish mistakes, bleep on a shingle, hanky pankys,
moose poo.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Yeah, I mean hard to make, that's listen.

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
It's the one thing I can make.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
I know. That's why I'm like, I'm going to house
housewarming party tomorrow and they're like, you want to bring something,
And I said, you know what, let me try to
make some hanky pankies. I've never made them before, but
it seems unbelievably easy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
It is. Uh, it's one of the easiest. If I
can do it, trust me, Yeah, you can do it.
That's what I thought. That's how it would take that.
Brown starting linebacker Jordan Hicks has called it a career,
he is retiring after ten seasons, or just sees the
writing on the wall and knows that he's playing in
Cleveland and doesn't want to do that anymore. Any Anyway,

(01:36:45):
we've wrapped up the first three days of Bengal's training
camp and you have obviously followed along as well, Austin,
is there any unanswered questions that you want to see
that get ironed out as you get into week two
of Bengals training camp next week?

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
No, I just want to see what happens when they
start putting some pads on. I mean, I know they
go to shells next week, but yeah, I mean really
there's you know, I heard Paul Damer Junior say this
earlier today and I kind of agree with him. They're
kind of boring right now, which is kind of the goal. Like,
we expected the offense to be good, and they've been

(01:37:23):
good for the last two days. You know, it's good
to see Evan McPherson get back to the form we
expect him to be with back to back perfect performances.
There's still some stuff to be figured out about the defense.
I mean bj Hill return to practice today. That was good.
Dax Hill wasn't there with the first team defense, so yeah,

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I mean it's early and they're kind of boring, and
I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
I'd like to see what the plan looks like for
Dax Hill as he continues to get back out here.
How is Al Golden going to use him? I would
like to see a lot of these young players on defense.
There are going to be growing pains, are going to
be miss I mentioned with Mo last week. I think
one of the most important things for a player to
understand now is not not making the same mistake two, three,

(01:38:10):
four or more times, because then you just kind of
get moved on from to Whereas if you make a
mistake and you come back the next play and you
correct it, or if you make a mistake and it's
an aggressive one, that's fine. But if you're tentative, if
you're slow, if you're second guessing things. And I remember
specifically my time in Carolina, like day one, my head

(01:38:33):
was spinning. The playbook was so big, and day two
they just kept adding stuff and I'm thinking to myself,
like when did they stop adding plays? And it doesn't
stop until you start to get to like that preparation.
When you start actual game planning for opponents. You're installing
every day and if you are behind at all, and

(01:38:55):
I can't stress it enough because it's hard for a rookie, right.
Sometimes you don't want to speak up. Sometimes you just
keep your mouth quiet. You don't want to ask what
you think could be a dumb question, so you just
sit back and say nothing. And then you just get
more and more behind and more confused and more lost
because they are not going to wait for you at

(01:39:16):
this level. You either get it and you move with them,
or you get left behind. And if you get left behind,
they either give up on you and they cut you,
or they just write you off for this year and say, okay,
maybe next year. That to me from breaking practice today
to I know they practice once over the weekend on Sunday,
but getting back here on Monday, you start to see

(01:39:38):
guys separate, Like I'm intrigued by Demetrius Knight. There is
a lot from a linebacker standpoint that is asked of
Al Golden's linebackers, like that's his position, that's who he
is catering to with his system. So for a rook

(01:40:00):
keep coming in. How does Demetrius Night go from Week
one to week two?

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
I think that's gonna be fascinating to see going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
I also loved this quote from Barrett Carter, the rookie
linebacker from Clemson. He was asked about like the standard
and playing up to that, meeting the expectations, and he said, quote,
We've got to play up to the Santa Clara standard.
That's where the super Bowl is this year. If you're
good enough, you're old enough.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
No, don't worry about youth. If you're good enough, you'll play.
If you're good enough, you're old enough. And we got
to play up to the Santa Clara standard. I like
that from the.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Rookl You start to get a little bit of that
separation next week, and let's just call it what it is.
You you start practicing more and more against the same guy.
You're leaning on each other, You're frustrated, guys are talking.
There's a video today one of Jermaine Burton's touchdowns. The
dba's trying to rip it away, throws the ball at

(01:40:59):
the d being runs back the other way. Those things
start to wear on you. Things get a little chippy,
things get a little bit more physical. There aren't remember,
there aren't joint practices this year. So years past it
was all right, you have all this ben it's built
up aggression. But finally here comes another team you can
practice with. They don't have that this year. Ones verse ones. Right,

(01:41:20):
we talked about that exclusively. Iron sharpens iron. You get
to dive into a little bit of that next week.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
I also really like that they play Philly in their
first preseason game. I mean, yeah, the Philly. The Eagles
won the super Bowl, and they're probably not gonna be
playing a bunch of their starters, but that's the kind
of like the they're the standard for how an NFL
team is built and run and operated. Right now, they're
the favorites to win the super Bowl again, and they're

(01:41:47):
a deep team with good players and a lot of
their positions. Even against the Bengals backups, they're gonna be competing.
They're gonna be having a getting a good look against
some good players in the second and third string on
the up chart in Philadelphia, and then going back into
there into Philly again. I know it's a preseason game,
but still that's their first game after winning the Super Bowl.

(01:42:08):
They're gonna have a good crowd there in Philadelphia. It's
the first football game, so yeah, I think that's gonna
be good for them too. Kind of go on the road,
get through that, play against a good team, and kind
of build towards that. I think is a good goal
going into next week as well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
I would like to see. And I wonder if last
year in the preseason, any starters played for the Philadelphia Eagles.
I know in Game one Kenny was the starter, Kendall
Milton was their leading running back. You know who the

(01:42:43):
leading receiver was Game one for the Philadelphia Eagles in
their preseason opener last year, they knocked off the Baltimore Ravens,
who never lose in the preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Johan Dotson, John Ross, Oh, I forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
Let the squad last year for the Philadelphia Eagles in
preseason game number one.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Speaking of former Bengals, Michael Jordan signed a contract today.
Jay signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Good, so keep
Tampa Bay quarterbacks in your prayers.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Good for him, Well done, buck eye.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Michael Jordan.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
By the way, let's take a break. This heat is excessive.
I'll again apologize to Jim for having a fan on
at times just to try to alleviate some of this heat.
But with the heat comes what we've seen through a
couple days of training camp, guys that go down with cramps,
that are dealing with heat. We saw who was a

(01:43:40):
Josh Newton puked yesterday coming off the field. The heat
is a real thing and it can do a lot
of damage to an athlete. So our guy Bob Manjean
is hanging by. He's going to join us when we
get back from novacare to talk about the heat, talk
about things like IVS and ice in ways that you
can leave you a little of this going forward from

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a football standpoint or from a athletics standpoint at any level.
That's next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, It's
Cincy three to sixty on the home of the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Now your chance to what three sixty is back on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Welcome back, Cincy three sixty. It's our number three rolling
along on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to
Penn Station. Also thanks to our friends at AE Door
and Window allowing us to be here at Bengals training camp.
Thanks to the Bengals as well for rolling out the
red carpet. It's time and it's appropriate with how hot
it's been today to talk to our guy, Bob man
Jean from the University of Cincinnati and Nova Care, who

(01:44:45):
joins us right now. Bob, what's going on? How are you?

Speaker 9 (01:44:48):
Yeah, I'm tuning just like everybody else, trying to survive
the heat. And luckily I'm an indoor trainer now, so
I don't have to worry about it teach too much
compared to the poor guys outside trying to practice football
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
It is listed right around like ninety two degrees right now.
We all know that the temperature on the football field
is much hotter while the team is not practicing. Now
they're done practicing, it was still really hot when they
were out there, and we saw this yesterday as well, Bob.
When you start to think about heat and you start
to think about exhaustion when it comes to the football field, already,

(01:45:23):
we've seen Bengals players that have thrown up. We've seen
Bengals players that have to leave. They're putting the cold
packs on their necks, and I'm sure getting ivs as well.
When it gets to the point where the cramping has
already started, is it then at the point where it's
too late really to get much more out of that
athlete that day?

Speaker 9 (01:45:43):
Oh yeah, I mean, especially this time of year, Tony,
you're going through a climorization.

Speaker 13 (01:45:47):
You know what that is.

Speaker 9 (01:45:48):
You got to get your bodies used to being uniform,
being out on the field, on the turf, getting used
to the humidity. I mean, you know, that's why we
call it the heat index in terms of looking at
rideball versus wept coming up with the heat index, and
that takes a while. I mean that could take ten
to fourteen days for some of these guys. And again,

(01:46:09):
once you start cramping, literally we would shut you down,
we get you inside, we get you cooling, we would
get an.

Speaker 13 (01:46:17):
IV and you try to break those cramps.

Speaker 9 (01:46:21):
And even in basketball sometimes this time of year, in
some of these facilities, you know, I had I had
some guys winning the cramps the other night, because you know,
even indoors, you've got some heat, excessive heat. Even with
the air conditioner going and everything, it's hard to cool
everything down. So cramps are your body's warning side. Hey,

(01:46:44):
you're done. Hey, get cold, make sure you're drinking, make
sure you're getting the electrolytes back in you, and then
of course, depending on the cramps, we will we will
go right into the IV world so that we can
get you, you know, your fluids back in faster as
you well, no, if you're just drinking, it takes a
while for that water and electrote to get absorbed through

(01:47:05):
the gastric system into your blood system and build yourself
back up. So again, probably the easier way is to
get an IV. If you look at the data, ninety
seven percent of heat illness occurs to offense and defensive linemen.
They have extra weight, they have harder time dissipating the heat.

Speaker 13 (01:47:29):
They you know, and.

Speaker 9 (01:47:30):
Again the NFL, God bless them, they've listened. They've really
changed their strategies. Ever since the Cory Stringer incident, college
football has changed quite a bit, although we will still
have occasionally, you know, a heat illness related death within
college football as well, and a lot of times their

(01:47:52):
offense and defensive linemen.

Speaker 13 (01:47:54):
Because it's much easier to do. The warning to.

Speaker 9 (01:47:58):
High school coaches, high school parents, conditioning is position specific.
You don't run your offense and defensive linemen, the same distances,
the same intensity issues in your wide receivers, you're running backs.
These guys have got to learn to adapt to the
new world of science, and that is that position specific

(01:48:21):
conditioning is required of these guys. And too many coaches
just light everybody up and let's start running. And you've
played for coaches like that, and nowadays we're smarter, hopefully
we're smarter and understand that we need more breaks out
a daylight today. You remember the year a football camp
at higher Ground. One year the actual turf temperature at

(01:48:46):
the artificial turf level was one hundred and forty sixth
race and your everyday's steets were burning. And I'll walk
over to Brian County said, b if you want to
practice today, no problem. But we're taking a break and
giving water formally every fifteen to twenty minutes. And if
I think it's getting worse, then we're you know, we
may have to shut it down. And you know, we

(01:49:08):
made it through the whole practice with that very much incident.
But you know the reason I don't have a problem practicing,
you know, at one o'clock or twelve o'clock or whatever
is at the college level. What am I going to do?
Go up the ESPN and say, hey, we're moving the
game back to ten o'clock in the morning. So the
kids have to learn, But the trainers are the critical

(01:49:31):
key to this. Coaches have to listen to their athletic trainers.
They have to listen to their athletes. If they don't,
they're going to get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
We talked about some of the ways you're preemptively trying
to cool a body down cold tubs, ice packs on
their shoulders, obviously pumping Gatorade ivs. But everyone's doing that.
Everyone knows the weather's going to be hot, so everyone
is trying to drink more fluids. Everyone is trying to
get out ahead of this. Is there just a case
in some athletes where they are more prone to be cramping,

(01:50:02):
to be struggling with the heat, because, like I said,
it's not like these players in today's sport don't know
the weather's going to be hot, they don't know that
they're getting their body ready for that. But are there
just some athletes that are more prone to cramping than
what others would be?

Speaker 5 (01:50:17):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:50:17):
Absolutely, we have sweaters. You know when you were here, you.

Speaker 9 (01:50:22):
Know we started back in probably six seven, maybe even
a little bit earlier in that where we actually did
pregame ivs, in which you know, during Campley, we kind
of researched each athlete. We saw the response to the heat,
we saw their response to water consumption, and some guys
still went and cramped. And so we learned in those

(01:50:46):
days that we had to pre hydrate and probably six
seven guys per game would have to get pregame ivs,
and most of it were like the offensive defensive lineman
and maybe some of the wide receivers because you know
they're going forty fifty sixty yards almost every play. Can't
do that in high school per se. Yeah, in the NFL,

(01:51:07):
that's a piece of cake. You know, you hear about
all the time. College now it's really easy. But in
high school, you know, these athletic trainers aren't going to
sit there and be able to get pre practice and
pregame ivs. So you got to remember a camp, if
you didn't have a gallon jug of water in your hand,
I'd start screaming at you because if you're not pre hydrating, hydrating,

(01:51:31):
going practice, you're not going to give yourself a chance
to hydrate. And coaches have to understand it. This weather,
you can't go two straight hours. You're giving them breaks
every fifteen to twenty minutes. You're making sure the training
staff he is able to evaluate their kids. And God forbid,
if one of the kids goes down, it's right in

(01:51:53):
the cold tub. Get rectal temperatures. You know it's getting preventative.
Don't even start practice into your cold tubs are set
up and ready to go. The other group that and
again parents can find this out really easy. Is kids
with sickle cell trait. And every baby born in today's

(01:52:14):
world is sickle cell tested at.

Speaker 13 (01:52:16):
The United States. I'm sorry, in the United.

Speaker 9 (01:52:19):
States, is sickle cell trait tested at the time of
birth and parents need to go and get that information
because sickle sell trade athletes have a harder time with
the climatization because, as you may or may not know,
it's sickle cell trade, your red blood cells can start
to collapse a little bit, and this makes it harder

(01:52:41):
to deliver water, it makes it harder to deliver energy,
it's making it harder to breathe. And in college, we
have a special rule for sickle cell our sickle cell athletes,
and so I sit with my head coach. I sit
with Mike ray Fell, who is an outstanding strength and
conditioning oaks, and basically say, hey, look, guys, you know

(01:53:03):
we've got so and so they have sickle cell trade.

Speaker 13 (01:53:06):
We have to be careful when we're timing them.

Speaker 9 (01:53:09):
When we're working at all, I'll probably be keeping a
real careful eye. And when I say, hey, we got
to stop them. He's got to recover a little more.
I need to give him some oxygen. Now you get
those red blood cells back up and running, then the
bottom line is I'm going to shut them down. So
little things like knowing you're oftenive defensive linemen are going

(01:53:29):
to struggle a little more trying to find out who
the sickle cell trade kids on your team, trying to
make sure that you're doing everything you can to prevent.
And then in this weather, you still at ten o'clock
in the morning, you still have to adjust your time,
your breaks, You're making sure you have your ice baths ready.

Speaker 13 (01:53:53):
It's all about prevention.

Speaker 9 (01:53:55):
Hate illness is one hundred percent a preventable problem in athletics.
The ones that don't don't pay attention are the ones
that are having the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
What are you looking at. Lastly, here, what are you
looking at? Let's say a player does come off with cramps.
Let's say a player comes off the field and he's
he's vomiting, he's getting sick, or just doesn't look like himself.
Obviously we've talked about the cold top, Obviously we've talked
about IVS. But from a trainer standpoint, what are some
things that you're carefully monitoring to make sure that that
athlete is good to go the next day or the

(01:54:30):
next practice Before you say, hey, all clear, what are
those things that you want to watch out for from
those athletes?

Speaker 9 (01:54:37):
Well, obviously, the simplest thing is like we used to
do with you guys and still do to this day,
and that is you weigh in and weigh out.

Speaker 13 (01:54:44):
So on your way into the training room in the morning.

Speaker 9 (01:54:47):
You know you weight in, Let's say you're two twenty,
and then after practice, we're going to weigh you out.
If you had typical weight losses about three percent maybe
two three percent weight loss, if you're hydrating during practice,
if you get above six percent and you don't.

Speaker 13 (01:55:05):
Recover that because it's mostly.

Speaker 9 (01:55:06):
Water and you don't recover it, then we will either
slow you down the next day or completely hold you
out the next day. You know, we've had kids at
camp that you know, we've had to hold out for
two days even after giving them you know, you know,
ivs and whatever because their blood pressure hasn't recovered. And
remember you probably don't remember, but we used to do

(01:55:29):
a lot of blood work on kids up at camp.
I'm a big believer in keep an eye on your
kidneys because when you go into hema illness, if you
read some of these cases, you know the Jordan McNair case,
classic case college athlete at Maryland who passed away from heatstroke,
and he the reason that he ended up passing away

(01:55:50):
was you know, A, they didn't.

Speaker 13 (01:55:52):
Immediately cool him.

Speaker 9 (01:55:54):
And then two, when you don't immediately coll your kidneys
start to fail. Then your liver starts to fail, and
then you start having irreversible damage to your brain. And
if you can't hydrate, your kinneys don't function well. And
if you go into kidney failure that will be a
leading cause of death to these kids.

Speaker 13 (01:56:15):
So that you know what we.

Speaker 9 (01:56:17):
Did a camp is all of our sickle cell kids
would have to get blood work on what we call
day zero, day five, day ten, day fifteen, and we
constantly kept an eye on their what we call gf R,
their kidney function. And you know, again we've had a
couple of kids who were sickle cell trade who were

(01:56:37):
not able to practice for a couple of days until
we were sure that their kidneys were in better shape.
Too many times we don't hydrate enough after practices. You've
got to check your weights, even the little kids. You know,
the grade school kids you're playing football and you know
their offensive defensive alignment. Parents who going to award you

(01:57:00):
right now, don't be one of those psycho parents. Is
you got to practice through it. You got to do this,
You got to do that tractor weight, tractor hydration. If
they're losing too much weight, you've got to shut them
down until they've recovered, because that's water weight. That's not
them burning fat, or it's not them burning you know,
excessive cawage. It's water weight. And if you don't get

(01:57:23):
that back on and then you got problems. Some of
the things you can do, you know, in the evening
after practice, it is hydrate with gator lights or news pediate.
We love pediat And then people talk about pickles or
the sodium whatever it takes you.

Speaker 13 (01:57:41):
Know, you remember when we were at Higher Grind.

Speaker 9 (01:57:43):
All the time we would have pretzels and chips. You know,
it sounds goofy, but that extra salt is what most
of these kids need. But they've got to drink, They've
got to get water back in their system.

Speaker 3 (01:57:56):
That is Bob man Jean from the University of Cincinnati
and Novacare. Bob, thank you for your time as always,
and do your best to stay cool. We'll talk again
next week.

Speaker 13 (01:58:05):
Thanks, Tony. Have fun in camp. Oh, I know you
wish you were throwing the ball there.

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Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
How are we doing? Fellas great?

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
I'm awesome, Tony's hot good? I understand?

Speaker 3 (02:00:22):
What what do you got coming up on the show
this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (02:00:25):
Mo?

Speaker 24 (02:00:25):
Well, we have a great, great correspondent from Bengals training camp,
even though practice has been over for three hours now.
Tony Pike is going to join us at three forty five,
four forty five and five forty five our annual conversation
at three twenty with Phil Steele, the great college football
expert whose annual publication is a must nearly four hundred

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pages of content. He's going to preview the upcoming season
with us at three, Tony Taylor Twelman is going to
be on the show MLS. He's a past Apple TV.
A little bit of the shine has come off this
match tomorrow because See has been suspended for the game
tomorrow because he skipped out on the MLS All Star Game.

Speaker 2 (02:01:05):
Bad guy. That is an awful rule. It only punishes fans.

Speaker 24 (02:01:08):
But Messi will do as much tomorrow as he did
in the first game against FC Cincinnati. I'll see if
Taylor Twelman laughs at that. At four thirty five and.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
Ice Cube is here, Oh wow, Cube.

Speaker 24 (02:01:20):
You know, obviously he is the founder of the Big Three,
which is going to be here tomorrow. Ice Cube, Hip
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at five thirty three. Plus things down a little bit.
We should send him down there to training camp to
cool off.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
Tony.

Speaker 4 (02:01:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
You know. MLB teams are making trades.

Speaker 24 (02:01:37):
Oh right, Yankees? Yeah, Ryan McMahon a third basement. Does
that mean they're out on a Uganeo Suarez? Is a
ujaneos Forrez even going to be traded? We have Red's
rays coming up, the Lucaspatrick situation, and so much more.

Speaker 3 (02:01:51):
When you uh, we talked about this in the last hour, mo.
If you look ahead to next week and being down
here for training camp, is there something as the pages
turned today and then they left the practice field for
the weekend, is there something that you're looking forward to
the most to see maybe different next week or seeing
kind of who takes the next step next week?

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
When do they start hitting?

Speaker 4 (02:02:13):
Now?

Speaker 3 (02:02:13):
They should go some thudding next week?

Speaker 24 (02:02:15):
Yeah, so when they start hitting offensive line versus defensive line,
arguably the two biggest areas of concern or the two
biggest areas of uncertainty. Who wins those battles? I mean
to me, what we've watched the last three days is
important and significant, and man, it's awesome to watch Joe
Burrow and Jamar Chase practice because we didn't see it
last year. But what do we want to know most

(02:02:36):
about this team? Can they win at the point of
attack on either side of the ball? So what do
what do the more physical practices tell us about those answers?

Speaker 2 (02:02:45):
That's what I'm looking forward to next week.

Speaker 3 (02:02:47):
I think it's interesting and Austin put it up on
our poll question today thanks to Revivefitnessystems dot com. But
looking at which player in year two can have the
biggest impact this season for the Cincinnati Bengals. Thirty three
percent of the people that voted said Chris Jenkins, thirty
two percent said Josh Newton, twenty nine percent said Jermaine Burton,

(02:03:08):
and McKinley Jackson got six percent of the votes. Jermaine
Burton was our winner of the day down here at
training camp. Yes, can Jermaine Burton's impact be? Is there
a ceiling on his impact because of the position he plays?
Verse When you look at a Chris Jenkins, it's not
as deep of a position for this team. We talk

(02:03:29):
about them being able to get after the passer. Who
of those players with a big year can make the
biggest impact on this team.

Speaker 24 (02:03:35):
I think it's Chris Jenkins. First of all, they drafted
him earlier than Jermaine Burton. Chris Jenkins is a guy.
You don't worry about him not showing up. You don't
worry about, you know, him checking all the boxes in
terms of maturity and work ethic, those are all there.
He plays a position where guys have to step up.
Jermaine Burton feels like a little bit of a luxury. Now,

(02:03:57):
it's nice to have luxuries that's a great lux to have.
And like, if there's an injury, and remember T Higgins
has to prove he can stay healthy. Maybe Jermaine Burton
is ready for a bigger role. But I just think
if the defense is gonna take a major step forward,
a major step forward, both against the pass and against
the run, they're better at defensive tackle. Last year, we

(02:04:18):
spent all year talking about the absence of DJ Reader.
Chris Jenkins was a second round pick. It's year two. Uh,
they obviously think very highly of him. That's a guy
that I think has an opportunity to help change how
we talk about the defensive line. I think we're gonna
talk about the Bengals offense being very good whether or
not Jermaine Burton helps, But if he does help, holy crap,
and I hope he does.

Speaker 3 (02:04:39):
Awesome. Brought it up earlier. Are we are we looking
past too much of the impact McKinley Jackson can have? Maybe, yeah,
maybe one of the more good one of the guys
that's not talked about a ton, especially when you talk
about the defensive line. Yeah, and the moves that this
team has made. But again you.

Speaker 24 (02:04:58):
Yeah, yeah, I'll say this about him. We we had
on a Texas A and M expert to talk about
Shamar Stewart the day after they took him in the draft,
and like this guy pivoted the conversation to McKinley Jackson.

Speaker 3 (02:05:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
And I don't know if it's because he didn't want
to talk about Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 3 (02:05:13):
You're right.

Speaker 24 (02:05:13):
I mean, look, both both guys are going to get
a reps. Both guys are gonna get opportunities. I think
we we talk about McKinley Jackson less because he was
drafted after a guy who plays the same position.

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
I'm sorry for having interrupted you.

Speaker 3 (02:05:26):
You know there are there are folks out there that
are messaging me NonStop today. Is there something going on
with Gigsel James? Do we know anything with Gigsel James?

Speaker 16 (02:05:32):
MO?

Speaker 3 (02:05:33):
Is everything okay with Gigsel James? As a Cincinnati Bearcat.

Speaker 24 (02:05:36):
Um trying to figure out the best way to answer this.

Speaker 3 (02:05:42):
I can't get much of an answer on my end.

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
I I think.

Speaker 24 (02:05:49):
I hope Jigsel James is okay. Is what I will
tell you based on what I know. All I'm prepared
to tell you is that I hope Jigsel James is okay.
And then if there's news come from the basketball program,
then we'll talk about it. I hope Gisel is okay,
and that's I think that's all that I'm comfortable saying
right now.

Speaker 3 (02:06:07):
If you could pick this weekend Austin, did you say
Getta Fest?

Speaker 2 (02:06:11):
Is this weekend geta Fest Forest? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:06:14):
You got Getafest, You got the the uh, what's the
music thing going on down here this week?

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
Called the music festival? L L Cool jadamorrow night?

Speaker 3 (02:06:21):
Yeah, the music festival. You got the Big three nngles
practice on Sunday. You got the Reds on a homestand
with the Tampa Bay Rays. If you had to rank
your top two, man, what are your top two Cincinnati
events this weekend?

Speaker 24 (02:06:35):
Well, you know, going to Reds games is something I
love doing, and the Reds are in the thick of
things and they're really interesting right now, So that's gonna
be one two.

Speaker 2 (02:06:44):
I wish I could go see LL Cool jadamorrow night.

Speaker 3 (02:06:47):
Really yeah, Okay, I.

Speaker 24 (02:06:48):
Wish I could go see I I have other things
going on.

Speaker 2 (02:06:52):
I wish I could go see LLL Cool jadamor night. Okay,
that'd be that'd be cool. Can I see you guys?
My pole question.

Speaker 24 (02:06:58):
Sure, you guys are both Reds fans, so most of
what would bring you more joy? Okay, watching the Reds
in the postseason this year, this October, watching the Reds
play in the postseason, or opening up Baseball America and
seeing their farm system ranked as baseball's best?

Speaker 2 (02:07:16):
What would give you more joy the postseason?

Speaker 3 (02:07:18):
Off baseball.

Speaker 2 (02:07:21):
Most season.

Speaker 24 (02:07:22):
I think we have among us might be a minority,
but I think we have among us people who are
addicted to prospects.

Speaker 2 (02:07:31):
Yep, I think some of them work for the Reds
in baseball operations.

Speaker 24 (02:07:35):
Prospect addiction. I want these people to manage my money
because it feels like they never want to spend anything.
I need these people to.

Speaker 3 (02:07:44):
Go their eighth and twenty first prospect for Ryan mcma.

Speaker 24 (02:07:47):
Look, man, you certainly never really want to get fleeced.
You don't want to overpay. I believe we have among
us fans of a team that hasn't won anything in
three decades who they have convinced themselves that having a
highly ranked farm system is better and more fun than
watching your team.

Speaker 2 (02:08:07):
Play in the playoffs.

Speaker 11 (02:08:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:08:08):
Crazy, And I'm gonna try to stage an intervention.

Speaker 3 (02:08:12):
I love it. That is next with Mowager on The
Mugger Show. Well, thanks so much, have a great show,
and I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 2 (02:08:18):
You will, We'll talk to me in fifty minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:08:20):
Great, that's Mullager. That is Austin Elmore that you heard
right there. I'm Tony Pike. It's been since he three
to sixty thanks to Mike Mills. Been down here all day,
every day to my fantastic job. He'll be back at
it again with us next week. Have a great weekend,
enjoyed Mowagger. Next on the SBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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