Cincy 360 w/ Tony Pike & Austin Elmore -- 8/12/25

Tony and Austin break down the day of Bengals Training Camp, a brutal Reds loss last night, and they talk to Joe Danneman and Mo Egger on ESPN 1530!

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 3 (00:31):
All right, welcome in Cincy three sixty part of our
ongoing Bengals training camp coverage. If you followed along from
ten to noon for the Tony and Moe Training Camp Show,
then you know we weren't at training camp today. Not
to ar, don't we. We tried to go to training
camp today, The gates were locked, the team was practicing inside.
So we brought the Tony and Moe Training Camp Show

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back to our Kenwood Studios. That's where I am at
now here for Cincy three sixty, part of our ongoing
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of the Bengals for all these many years. That is
the voice of Austin Hellmore. It's since he three sixty
and I'm all over the.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Place, all right, man, It's just he sounds like you
need a little bit of Skyline.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I am so hungry. I love our friends at Skyline, Chiley,
but I am so hungry right now. Normally we build
in when we're down there lunch. That can kind of
happen throughout this process, so got to figure that out.
But as we sit here today practice wrapping up down
at the Bubble, we'll update on everything that's happened. We're

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gonna get to some Zach Taylor audio what he had
to say today. Joe Dannaman will join us at one
o'clock and we will spend time Austin because it's since
he three to sixty, on what happened at the ballpark
last night, gabp. We'll take phone calls along the way
on the race Saint Clair roofing hotline. But a lot
to get too. Still, a couple more training camp practices left.

(02:11):
We're supposed to be down there tomorrow, supposed to be
down there Friday. This team then gets ready for a
game against Washington preseason game number two. They're still set
to play all the starters, at least the ones that
are healthy enough to play. Last we heard it was
going to be about a half for Joe Burrow and company.

(02:33):
Are you at all Austin rethinking that if you're Zach Taylor, No,
you're still giving them a half? Yeah, even with how
bad that field in Washington is.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's as bad
as it has been in years past.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Let's say it's raining on Monday.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Then you probably adjusted a little bit, probably less, Yeah,
maybe similar to what they did against Philadelphia. Yeah, I
think the defense needs as much as many reps as
they could get, though I don't know that I would
change things for them.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
To me, that's where it start. I need to see
the defense again, and I want to see the offensive
line against differ competition. Like those are the two things.
Outside of that, I feel like I know what I
have in other spots, but I do want to see
and I'm curious to see how the defense responds after.

(03:27):
I think the easiest way to put it is getting
punched in the mouth. Defense got punched in the mouth
against second and third team guys. What are they going
to do to respond to that? And how much growth
can they show between the two games, because as it
sits right now, I doubt we see many starters in
the third preseason game. So for the most part, the

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game that comes up on Monday will be the best
opportunity to see what this defense can look like as
a whole. And if this defense doesn't take the necessary
steps forward that it needs to take, then Austin, what
becomes the level of panic as you embark on the season.
I don't know that I panic if the defense shows

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how they did against Philly, and those are the two
instances in which you get to see this defense in
the preseason, why should anyone panic?

Speaker 4 (04:19):
If we knew this was a possibility, We've talked about
it all off season.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
We just need him to be a top twenty des.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
All we've talked about all off season long is man,
they're putting a lot of hope into Al Golden and
what if that hope is correct? That was the question
putting the wrong The question is, well, I wonder if
he can actually get something out of these guys, and
I said, I thought they were minimally marginally improved against
the run, but it really relied on Al Golden getting

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the most out of the young players, and that's a
tall task, and we're seeing the results of them not
beefing up the defensive line, not getting a deal done
with Trey Hendricks, not beefing up the defensive secondary, not
going for a veteran safety.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
We're seeing all that. So I don't know why people
are surprised.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Number One, I'm not going to overreact to the first
game because it is the first game and five of
the eleven starters basically didn't play on defense, So it's
to me it's too early to freak out. But also,
I don't think there's any reason you should freak out
because if you've been paying any sort of attention, you
know you're basically running it back with the same group,

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just with a different guy calling the place. So this
idea that they were just gonna jump from thirty second
to sixteenth is foolish.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
It was never going to happen. Now, can they get
to twentieth? Okay, maybe, but this is the same group
and you're seeing the same results. Yeah, I look at
the group, and we discussed that a little bit with
Moe earlier on If you go up across the current

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Bengals defensive depth chart of where it sits today, you
see on that defense, as we've talked about, it's riddled
with players that they either hope they got right in
the draft or have essentially one last chance to show
that they can be why they were drafted to be.
Miles Murphy is a player that's at the top of that.

(06:22):
He was a first round pick. He's not panned out.
You need your first round picks to pan out. There's
a question mark on him. You still need to see
and everything to this point has been positive around Shamar Stewart,
but you got to see it in a game action
and there was limited sack numbers. You want to see
him finish, but you need to find out what you
have with Shamar Stewart. You used two picks last year

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on Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson, and I think for
the most part you were happy with the steps that
they took. Now year two, they need to take another lead.
Trey Hendrickson is unsigned. Joseph Osai was better at times
last year. He still has a question mark. You drafted
Demetrius Knight, you drafted Barrett Carter. Those are players you

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hope pan out. You have Logan Wilson, who's solid. You
brought in Orn Burkes. I don't know what you have
in DJ Turner. I don't know what you have in
Jordan Battle. I don't really know what you have in
Cam Taylor Britt. I don't know what you have in
Dax Hill. Josh Newton didn't look good in his first opportunity.
We talked about Dejon Anthony and Tyson Anderson and DJ Ivy.

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This defense, especially right now without Trey Hendrickson, is riddled
with questions and hopes that Al Golden can get the
most out of these players who quite frankly, haven't been
good enough in their NFL careers to this point, and
rookies that you just drafted and you hope that you
hit on. When has that ever been a formula of

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success for a defense or a side of the ball
in the National Football League. It is hope that is
what this defense is being built on. Players get a
fresh start and make the most of it. Hope that
Al Golden can get the most in a new scheme
and dumbing things down and all of a sudden they
can become a good tackling team and they don't have

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missed assignments and hope that Shamar Stewart and Trey and
Demetrius Knight and Barrett Carter are guys that they can
rely on, Hope that they made the right move and
bringing in Orn Burkes. There's just a lot.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
There, just the same stuff We've talked about a lot,
and I think it's comparable to Terry Francona and the Reds.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Like, I actually went back and reread the article I
wrote in June for Sports Illustrated about how Terry Francona
kept saying he didn't have the answers, he didn't know
what the answers were, and that he was really brought
in to maximize the talent in a group that doesn't
have a lot of talent. And that's basically what al

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Golden is being asked to do. Because there are so
many question marks, because there are injuries, because there are
insert whatever here. Al Golden was brought in to try
to maximize the talent that they have. Marion Hobby was fired,
The linebackers coach James Betcher was fired, They changed a
bunch of stuff to try to maximize the talent on

(09:12):
the roster. And while I appreciate that and respect that,
and still have some belief that there will be some
good that comes from that. You can only squeeze an
orange for so long before there's no more juice. How
much juice is actually left in this group of defenders.
That's what al Golden is being tasked to figure out.

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How much more do they really have? How much more
can you get out of them? And I think when
you don't invest in your secondary, just for an example,
jy R. Alexander, when you don't invest in your secondary,
just for an example, Justin Blackman who's now with the Colts,
or Justin Simmons and an injury happens, or if you

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don't extend Trey Hendrickson and he he misses a game
or two or how long he misses, then all of
a sudden you're like, Okay, well, gosh, it's it's difficult
to get the most out of this group when I
don't have the whole group.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, it's just it's just it's one thing to see
how the offseason unfolded and have those questions and then
it's another thing to think, well, eventually you got to
figure something out with Trey Hendrickson, and then it's another
thing to watch them against a group of second and
third team players get dominated.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
But also, I know we want to make fun of it.
Tanner McKee, I said it on Thursday before the game,
is one of the best backup quarterbacks in the NFL.
But he's still a backup quarterback. He is, but he's
still one of the best. And the Eagles are the
gold standard for offensive line play and they are one
of the most well run, perfectly built rosters, organization, depth,

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everything that they are the gold standard of the NFL.
So I don't I still don't want to overreact to
the preseason. But it's not like they were playing Sydney
High School in that game and got run over by them.
Those are NFL guys, and there are guys on this
team that are trying to figure out where exactly they

(11:08):
slot in terms of the hierarchy of the NFL and
the food pyramid. So I just I do think we're
like freaking out over this defense a little too much.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
How you just you just just you just went back
on what you said earlier. You just sat there on
three second ranked defense. You don't expect them to be
twentieth correct and then you said that you you don't
want to freak out because of how they responded against
second and third teamers. That's what I said. I'm not
freaking out over it. It's way too early for that. Well,
they're gonna have one more opportunity, yeah, and then the

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seasons here. Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I'm not freaking out because I know who they are.
This is not far from my expectation. I don't know
where we took a turn at some point this offseason
thinking this team was gonna this defense was just gonna
magically return to the Mike Zimmer day.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
This is never what it was going to be. I
don't think the Mike Zimmer days. But I don't think
there was a thought that in preseason game number one
against again good offensive line system in Philly, but none
of those players that played are competing for a starting job.
What and give up four hundred and thirty two yards?
What did you do? What did you expect to see

(12:21):
against Philadelphi. I thought they would be more physical. I
thought they would fly around the field. I thought they
would be in the position to make plays, and that's
strictly because of the new coaches and the opponents you're
playing against like that, with my assumption was, when's the
last time they saw them out physical and opponent. There
are players on the on the Eagles defense that are

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going to be rotational guys. Sure, and that was a
good defense last year, and the Bengals torched them and
the Bengals had success up front on the offensive line,
which I expect. I don't. I don't think the Bengals
offensive line is going to be good, but I thought
they dominated the Eagles the way that first team should.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, and all those guys, for the most part, with
the exception of Lucas Patrick, have played together in the
same system for a number of years. Oh, Dylan Fairchud
is the second year Dylan Fairchild as well. Yeah, So
I mean that I kind of. I think most people
expected the offense to hit the ground running, and they did.
I didn't expect the defense to go out there and

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pitch a shutout.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
No.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I thought we'd see them more physical. I thought we'd why.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
That's That's what I'm trying to get to, is why,
because soft and slow all of last year? What makes
you think they'd be different this year because they're playing
against second and third teamers. Yeah, but if you can't
beat second and third teamers, then you're not going to
have any success. The point I'm trying to make is
the Bengals defense is filled with second and third team talent.

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And also Gino Stone played four snaps, so six starters
were actually on the field, So there were second and
third teamers out there playing for the Bengals basically for
a good chunk. And then you keep in mind after
the first team defense, there was a lot of yards
that was given up then too. So I just don't

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know where this idea comes from that all of a sudden,
they're going to be a physical bunch. There's a bunch
of unproven dudes. Trey wasn't there, Dax wasn't there, bj
wasn't there, Guys that have actually proven themselves in the NFL.
Outside of Daks, I mean, Dax Strows a lot to prove, but.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
I mean I think it's a defense that everyone essentially
has something to prove. Yeah, outside of Trey Hendrickson, yeah,
who was great last year. I mean, I mean dj
Ivy was starting on the outside. It, Dude, I mean,
John Dottson, no problem with him. Yeah, So like there's

(14:44):
not a lot of yards right there. At the end
of the day, I expect a majority of my starters
to not get beat by second thirteen guys.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
I mean, I hear you on that, but I can't
say that I'm that surprised by it because it's many
of the same dudes as a year ago.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, but that then speaks to what the failure of
the off season, yeah, to not addresses any of those
That's That's what I'm trying to get at. We're having
the same count. We're going to have the same conversation
going into the Washington game on Monday that we had
when the season ended, offensive line, pressuring, the quarterback and
the secondary. And we will have the exact same conversation

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getting ready for Washington. And then we'll have the exact
same question when the Bengals go to Cleveland and say
have they done enough to make sure Miles Garrett doesn't
ruin the season before it gets started.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Everything we're talking about right now is the same thing
we went through a year ago.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
That is insane. You have the same thing we're done
with the Reds.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
You have a superstar holding out or holding in during
training camp. Last year was Chased, this year was Hendrickson.
And you're trying to figure out what this team actually
is going to be. Can they protect Joe Burrow? Like defensively,
are they going to be any better? And can they
protect Joe Burrow? And a superstar is unhappy? It's all

(15:58):
the same stuff. They look the exact same defensively, They
looked the exact same offensively.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
A very little change, yeah, And so.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Like I still like I'm willing to have a little
bit of grace during the preseason, especially with all those
guys and especially the rookies that are going to be
asked to have a big role on the team. I'm
much more curious to see what they look like against
a starting offense in Washington and if they can actually

(16:29):
learn from the mistakes they made against Philadelphia. That to me,
I mean, the more of a measuring stick is the
second game, after you got one under your belt, after
you watch the tape, after you maybe had made some
adjustments in practice, and then you get a second chance
at it. If they performed the way they did against Philadelphia,

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then we're probably going to be having the exact same
season that we just.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Watched, and it's along the lines of the same offseason
we have with the Reds where we talked about a
glaring deficit didn't get addressed. The Bengals didn't address a
glaring deficit. Charlie Goldsmith asked on or said on Twitter
about twenty minutes ago. The deeper it gets into camp,
the more it feels like this Bengals season will be
decided by how many plays the corners can make in

(17:14):
one on one coverage. Yep, if that's the case, what
do you feel about this season's success.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Looking at the schedule? Brown's Jerry Judy. The Jags have
Travis Hunter and Brian Thomas. The Vikings have Justin Jefferson.
The Broncos who was that receiver that torched him last year? Well,
they didn't just resign Sutton, Yeah, Courtland Sutton. The Lions
have Aman Ross, Saint Brown and Jmo. The Packers and

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the Steelers have DK Metcalf now the Jets still have
Garrett Wilson, I mean Buffalo Baltimore. Of those present their
own problems. Tyreek Hill with Miami. I think Charlie's right, Yeah,
is that sutn Er was at Memes for Denver. I
think it was memes that yeah, it cut the long
touchdown and a big fourth down and all that. Yeah,

(18:07):
But like I think Charlie's.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Right, Yeah, And the question then remains.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
And keep in mind, if we were reading between the lines,
we talked about this at the combine. We talked about
this a monk turtle soup. We talked about this during
mini camp. The Bengals have told you they think they
got unlucky last year, Tanner Hudson, fumble, Jamar not deciding
until the day of the game that he was going
to play Dejon Anthony in Kansas City, so on and

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so forth. They thought they were close last year, and
so they decided mostly to run it back with the
same group and change the defensive coordinator in a couple
position coaches, and.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Now they're going to be held to that correct So look,
we got a lot to get to. Joe danimill join
us at one o'clock. We'll get some Zach Taylor audio
that he spoke pre practice today. We'll get to we'll
get to your talkbacks, and we do have to address
what happened at Great American Ballpark last night. And I'm
not talking about Snoop Dogg. I'm talking about what the
Reds uh did against the Philadelphia Phillies. Snoop was just

(19:09):
as bad. I heard you. I heard like seventy five
percent of the place couldn't hear Yeah, and he was
like an hour late. That's good, Yeah, that's what you want.
We will dive into all of this. We have been
now two hours and twenty minutes of all Bengals. Let's
spend a little time on the Reds because we're gonna
get to Zach Taylor audio. We're gonna get to Joe

(19:30):
Daneman for the Bengals as well. So let's talk a
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Speaker 6 (19:59):
Hey Alexa, suit you and now Turner hits a little
player in the left field that's down in front of
Lux for a basin. He's up throwing to the plate.
It is offline and over everybody off the camera. Well, Turner,
it's a second not stopping. He's gonna go to third.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
The throw itself wasn't close.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
That was actually his best throw of the year because
he actually got it to the plate. That was so bad,
except it was so deepy.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Look, uh, we're gonna get back to to the Bengals
in a few minutes. We're gonna hear from what Zach
Taylor had to say ahead of today's practice, which has
moved indoors part of the Tony and Moe Training Camp show.
This is Cinty three to sixty thanks to Skyline Chili Man.
What a what a seven innings it was at GABP
last night. Andrew Abbitt was fantastic. The Reds, as they've

(20:57):
done all year, did not make the most out of
early opportunities. They leave eight on base. They were two
of seven with runners in scoring position last night. The
one run that the Bengals were able to get across
was on a Gavin Lux first inning single to make
it won nothing Reds and that was the lead until

(21:19):
the eighth inning, where things unfortunately fell apart for the
Reds and with Andrew Abbott. Before I even dive into
the eighth inning itself, Austen, did you have any problem
after the seventh inning? Harper let off with the double,
They got a ground out the JT Real Muto, Harper
went the third and then on a shallow fly ball

(21:43):
to right field from Nick castianos Marte makes the play
and throws out Harper at the plate. After seeing that,
were you good running Abbott back out in the eighth? Yeah?
I had no problem with that, and he starts the
eighth phenomenal. He gets the first two batters to strike
out correct. He then gives up a single after the single, right,

(22:03):
Are you keeping Andrew Abbott in?

Speaker 5 (22:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (22:05):
And the reason for that because there was two ridies
coming up, West and Wilson and Trey Turner. I thought,
prior to west and Wilson's double that Andrew Abbot you
probably could take out of the game, but I could
understand if you kept him in for that, But once
he doubled and tied it, I did not want him

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facing Trey Turner, which is why I pose that question
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Speaker 3 (22:36):
Street.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Did Terry Francona make the right move sticking with Andrew Abbott?
Fifty nine percent say no he did not. Forty percent
say yes. He is the red zace. He has gotten
you to this point. So that's what the results are
right now.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
So Turner, then the play you just heard with Kevin
Lux making the air that makes it two to one,
Kyle Schwarber's coming up to the plate. So then you
take out Abbott, your lefty, and instead of going to
a lefty, you bring in your right handed relief pitcher,
Tony Santion, who serves up one on a platter for
Kyle Schwarber. Should they have went to a left hander?

Speaker 4 (23:13):
No, Kyle Schwarber mashes lefties just as much as he
let he mashes right He's it almost made more sense
to go to it.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Should Gavin Lux have been in the game in the
seventh inning or the eighth inning? Does Gavin Lux have
a play? What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Could he have thrown one of those guys out?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
No? No, So why does it matter. Well, he's been used.
I mean they've not kept him in a full game
for quite some time. Yeah, they pull him for a
defensive replacement late in most games. Would you have done
that again? I mean, it's easy to sit here in
second game. I didn't think it was really necessary at
the time. And I do think he's fully trying to

(23:52):
give Austin Hayes a day off, and you probably want
to save Jake Frayley for later on and to pinch hit,
which he did. So yeah, it's just it's one of
those games, man that and felt like it was right
there for the taking and then it falls apart and
it just becomes another tough loss.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
And also Lux has been great at the plate. Three
hits that night. He's hitting like three hundred, almost even
three hundred over his last thirty games, like he's an
offensive weapon. At that time, he'd only scored one run.
So I had no problem with keeping Lux in the game.
In left field. We know he can't throw, and then

(24:32):
apparently he's been hearing that chatter too and throws a
Sarzko tries to throw it into the stands, but like,
it doesn't matter if that's no Weelvi Marte that catches
that ball, they're not throwing the runner out yea. And
then ultimately didn't matter because Schwerber hit a home run.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Right. The Reds lost last night, Padres won. Uh so
the Padres three and a half clear. The Mets did
not play, so that deficit now in the NL Wild
Card is two games for the Cincinnati Reds. Cardinals have
won two in a row. There now just a game
back of the Cincinnati Reds. Where we stand with today's
baseball believe the Cardinals are in a series with the

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Rockies too. Yeah, so that could be very quickly. The
Cardinals right back in it game two tonight Ranger Suarez.
He is a left hander with a two nine to
four e RA on the season. We'll be opposed by
Brady Singer with the Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Reds lefties tonight and tomorrow going to the mound.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
So I felt last night was important Phillies, Yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Meanwhile, tonight, Spencer Streider will pitch for Atlanta in New
York up against Clay Holmes for the Mets. The Cubs
are in Toronto. It will be Braxton Barrios, good right
handed starter starting for Toronto in that game.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
We will We'll jump around more with the Cincinnati Reds
and what we need to discuss as it goes on.
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speaking to members of the media before today's practice inside
the bubble at pay Course Stadium, starting with an update
on Jermain Burton.

Speaker 8 (27:20):
It might have been during the game swalling, and so
it'll be day to day. He'll do some rehab work
on the rehab field today which will be inside, so
that'll be outside, and then we'll see if we can't
get him into this next tranch practice.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
We got anything, I think on Saturday.

Speaker 8 (27:36):
Boy, it would have been I mean, if it happened
in the game, that's one of those things you don't
really play the game and then you come up the
next day it's an off day. So I mean, he
reported it and so we knew. I know, it cuts
you off guard, but you know, it's all good. He's
doing everything he can to get back on a field.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Coach, what'd you think Insaday up last night?

Speaker 8 (27:58):
That's a great event. You know, I've been a couple
of times over the years, and I think all the
upgrades they made were fantastic. My wife goes a lot
unbelievable tennis. You know, it gets Chancy, the number one
player in the world play is pretty spectacular. Some of
the servers by him and the opponent that went to
UK almost hit us, you know, on some of the

(28:20):
faults that almost got up in the stands, So that
would have been that would have been exciting if if
one one had caught BJ back there behind me. I
was kind of pulling for that. So that was kind
of a side thing going on because he kept saying
he could return some of the serves pre match and
then postmatch. I'm sure he still maintains that, but man,
I would pay great money to watch that BG out

(28:40):
there return it serves from center.

Speaker 9 (28:45):
You guys are trying to tweaks games in the run
game in your offense of course, season how challenging is your.

Speaker 8 (28:51):
Guys tight end room to figure out how to use.

Speaker 9 (28:53):
Is it more challenging because of Kisiki Nuts and are
so different than Sample and Grande, and you have very
different types of tight ends and not as many guys
as do everything.

Speaker 8 (29:04):
How challenging was that?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
How did you kind of approach that process?

Speaker 8 (29:07):
I don't think it's challenging is not the word I
would use, you know, it's We've had a lot of
these guys over the years now, so we've gotten comfortable
with what our offensive identity is and how we utilize
guys to their strengths, and also understanding trying to cover
up tendencies where we can to make sure it's not
always you know, obviously the direction you're headed. I think

(29:31):
it's not unique to tight end rooms across the league.
I think we've been fortunate that we've got real weapons
in the past game in there that not everybody has.
And I also think Drew Samples arguably the top point
of attack blocker and protector in football. You know, I
wouldn't trade them out for anybody in that regard. So
we got really good blend of guys and it's just

(29:53):
up to us to continue to be creative and how
we utilize them and how we combine them. Whin they're
both in there, two or three in there, when just
ones in there? What are we doing? So it's been fun,
it hasn't hasn't I would say challenge. It's been really
fun to find ways to utilize a lot of guys
who continue to earn opportunity. There's guys in that room

(30:14):
that a lot of them are earning opportunity, and we're
trying to find ways to utilize that.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
How do you not tip tendencies when you know everybody knows,
like Mike is, no, they're protected by eleven plays.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Last year, But like, I mean, how do you try
to do?

Speaker 10 (30:27):
Like, how can you do?

Speaker 8 (30:28):
There's going to be percentage tendencies, no doubt, But again,
if you can, if you can find ways to get
up to that twenty percent where it cast out, then
you can't just hone it. You don't want anything to
be one hundred percent. That's what you don't want. But
when everything's that that ten to twenty percent, then there's
got to be that doubt in your mind. There's also
times we lean into it and we say we're throwing
the ball here we go, so that doesn't you know,

(30:51):
there's just just ways we continue to try to be efficient, explosive,
and most tight ends have been a big part of
why we've been able to do that because because the
roles they all play.

Speaker 9 (31:01):
Alan talked about when he got here he didn't want
to just PLoP in an defense and say just what
you're doing. How have you seen the collaboration of the
whole defensive coaching staff impact with.

Speaker 8 (31:14):
Every second of every day. I don't know what the
word is I was trying to grab their, but continuous.
I mean that those guys are always together, always meeting,
always talking, always evolving, always problem solving, trying to use
it as our personnel in the best possible way, try
to find solutions against the offense they're going against future
offenses they're going to face. So I think they've done

(31:35):
a great job with the collaboration in that room of
just every single day trying to make sure our defense
improves and gets better and problem solves and give those
guys tools to be able to solve problems on the
field themselves. I was really been big into that, and
those guys have done a good job of utilizing that.
So it's been really fun for me to watch just
the work that they have put in because it's been
tireless work since February. I think that this thing right,

(31:58):
and I'm excited about the direction.

Speaker 11 (32:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Having a staff with so many different backgrounds, what does
that do.

Speaker 8 (32:04):
It's good because guys have all run into different sets
of problems and ways to solve them and things that
are good against this offense and this player, and so
it's a lot of good conversation. Al's the decision maker.
You know. Obviously you can take all the ideas in
the world, but at some point you got to say,
here's what we're doing. And Al has been great that.
It's also been great at empowering those guys and giving

(32:26):
them the opportunity to speak and show what they know.
Because it's a really solid room from top to bottom.
I mean, you know all the guys with the experience
in that room, and and you know our guys who
do more the callity control, Orm Moon and Ronnie Riguler.
Those are outstanding football coaches. They have tremendous futures and
now lets them get up there and present in front
of the team and do all this stuff. So it's

(32:47):
a really exciting room that you know, I'm excited to
watch them work together as the season progresses.

Speaker 12 (32:53):
You never want to share too much three season obviously
Saturday after the game on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
But when you have a new defense, you have ANUE coordinator,
how are you evaluating? It's just that's escapable love before
all at.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
Starting time, Yeah, we're just mental errors. We look at technique,
we look at you know, none of that stuff changes.
So I think that just the communication, the overall communication
are all things you can evaluate. Then who can go
out there and make some players, make some one on
one opportunities? Who can back one space, who can cover
you know in a one on one situation? And I was,
you know that thought. In the second half of that game,

(33:28):
the guys did a great job. You know, it's it's
really they help them to a field goal and we
got a penalty, so they got the rekick and field
goal they missed, and they did a good job minimizing
the points of help them to another field goal, and
then we got a penalty and gave up a two
year touchdown the next play. But I thought those guys
responded well at halftime and vote up and gave our
team a chance to come back and in fight to
be in the game. What do you like about how

(33:48):
it cross he does how you wanted to do it.
And so again you just watch a guy doing his
best play with the technique and helping the defense and
kind of doing his his one eleventh over there to
do his job and make plays and impact the offense
and allow others to make plays by just doing your job.
That's the life of a de tackle is not always

(34:10):
a sexy life. Sometimes you're trying to take on two
blocks and hold those two blocks so your backer can
make a player in can make a play. And I think,
you know, he has shown the ability to do the
things that we're asking those guys to do, do the
dirty work, and do it how we want it done.
And that's a positive thing. He's gotten a lot of reps,
you know, due to guys missing long term practice, missing

(34:32):
short term practice. He's been a guy who's been available
and he's gotten a lot of octor.

Speaker 9 (34:37):
Like Jamar, how difficult is it to get him up
to speed, make up for lost time and get him
conditioned for week one, week two when it can be hot,
but yet not overdo it.

Speaker 8 (34:46):
I think we're well when we're there, you know. I
think Jerry's done a great job managing that and getting
him the rip storre he can, and there's been plenty
of times since he's reported up to this point to
really learn the offense and get in there and get
extra time in there. So I've learned the defense, I guess.
So I've been pleased with the progress that he's made
making and I think we've got plenty of time to
be what we want to be, especially before week one

(35:08):
and it's Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
We see Trey talk with tomorrow. We're talking about technique
and stuff like that during practice.

Speaker 11 (35:13):
How about people?

Speaker 13 (35:13):
Do you think that is in general?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
For established guy too got up his way to help me.

Speaker 8 (35:18):
There's a lot of experience there, and so I think
anytime you can pass down that experience, players are open
to receiving it. And it's horble for.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
Joseph left early on Saturday and did practice Sunday.

Speaker 8 (35:30):
Yeah, that's just a day thing, you know. So again,
will monitor some of those guys today and tomorrow. Tomorrow
is a bigger workload day for us, so we'll continue
to manage guys, trying to get some guys to tomorrow
so we can get a lot of work done.

Speaker 14 (35:45):
Are you going to work?

Speaker 8 (35:47):
We're inside today. Yeah, it's a lot This week's a
long stretch for us, and so initially when I looked
there was like ninety three degrees, and I think it's
backed off a little bit. But tomorrow is a big
work day for us. I want to get great work outside.
Today is some two minute stuff, so we'll be clean,
great energy inside, and then tomorrow we'll move back out there.

Speaker 15 (36:09):
They all have guys that we're prominent over the years,
kind of miss chunks of training camp.

Speaker 8 (36:13):
All they're doing with various things with the business side
of things.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
How y'alls coaches.

Speaker 7 (36:16):
Out to make sure that they kind of are integrated
and as quickly as possible once they're ready to get.

Speaker 8 (36:20):
All it's all different. We're certainly not the only team
that deals with this. You look around the league, it's
it's most teams, and so I think it's just, uh,
you keep the train moving and make sure everybody's up
to speed, and then when you get that player back,
whoever it is, however long they've been here, it's it's
always different. I don't think I've encountered a situation that's
the same since I've been here. They're all a little

(36:42):
bit unique, a little bit different, and and so again
you just manage the best you can and and make
sure the team keeps moving forward.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
You talk to other coaches about that over the years,
about like how do you deal with that?

Speaker 14 (36:53):
Is that the king picked up?

Speaker 8 (36:54):
I mean maybe I can't think of a specific example,
but talk about a lot of things with a lot
of guys.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
You guys have played eight ot games over the past
four years.

Speaker 16 (37:05):
What are your thoughts on the new ot VLS regular season.

Speaker 8 (37:12):
I don't think we've ever h lost because we got
the ball second, you know, So for us, all the
games have kind of played out naturally how this rule
is going to be. So it hasn't I don't, but
I don't believe it's San Francisco game, we got the
did they get the ball first in overtime? In twenty one?

(37:34):
We got we got it first, and then we yeah,
and then they went down scored with the touchdown. So
that was the only one that was kind of lingering
in my mind. But everything else I think has played
out how this will play out.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
So you won't change much for your philosophy.

Speaker 8 (37:47):
There would not be much that would change with my philosophy.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Now, how is MIKEASICKI handling his rehab and when do
you expect him to be back out.

Speaker 8 (37:54):
Of good We're just being patient with him, you know.
He's a guy that I want to make sure he's
supposed speak before he gets back out there to push
it too fast. So there's nothing I'm concerned about. And
and we'll continue just to monitor this week, same thing.
BJ will start working back in some individual stuff today.
But again another another pro that I'm not I'm not
concerned about the timeline.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Now, Michael Thomas, I saw him earlier today.

Speaker 8 (38:19):
Yeah, thanks for the reminder that he's here. I forgot.
Mike's one of the all time great guys, you know.
And my first memory Mike, whether I've shared it in
this room or not, was we poached him off the
practice squad from San fran to Miami in twenty thirteen
and his first he I think he got there on

(38:40):
a Thursday. We played New England on a Sunday. We
were making a playoff push and he got thrust in
the game in two minute drill at the end of
the game and Sam Brady and picked it off in
the end zone, and I remember it would have been like, uh,
blue and Blue Adams. I think we're just yelling the
calls to him from the sideline to the field because
he didn't know him. He had just goten there to
day earlier, wasn't expecting to play in the game, and

(39:02):
he had a he want to you want to really
increase some positive juice for yourself in an organization, show
up on a Thursday and pick off the greatest quarterback
on a Sunday and give your team a playoff hope
for two games left. That's a great way to introduce
yourself to the building. So I didn't know who he
was while he was out there on the field, but
everybody knew who he was the next day as he

(39:23):
was parading through the hallways and everyone's high five in
m and giving him hugs. And so I always liked
Mike Thomas that those have been around him. He's always
a positive you know what you're getting every single day
from Mike, which we've always preached our ays. Be the
same guy every day, so everybody knows what the expectation is.
And so it's he's not shocking that he's he's still
involved in football and still making an impact on people.

(39:43):
And it's always good time to see Michael Thomas back
in the Midland all right.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
That was Zach Taylor speaking to the media right before
the Bengals went into practice this morning at their indoor
practice facility. Set to go back outside tomorrow, which would
mean we're back down there for the Tony and moch
Raining camp show as we understand it. Right now, for now, poncho, Yeah,
bring the poncho. It's gonna rain tomorrow, so that'll be great.
As for now, we'll break, we'll come back, we'll finish

(40:09):
out the hour. We'll see if we can grab a
phone call or two before we get to Joe Danaman
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(40:32):
Danaman is going to join us in just a few moments,
So let's take a quick phone call on the race
Saint Clair Roofing hotline. Mayso, what's up?

Speaker 11 (40:42):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Boys?

Speaker 11 (40:43):
How we holding up on this Tuesday?

Speaker 3 (40:45):
We're holding up, Maso, We're here A.

Speaker 14 (40:48):
Yeah, I feel you.

Speaker 17 (40:49):
I'm still recovering. God dangsl weekend was rough.

Speaker 7 (40:54):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (40:55):
Anyway, we have made it halfway through the about year.
I did not think we'd make it this far.

Speaker 11 (41:02):
But here we are.

Speaker 17 (41:04):
We are at the MS and this one I'm actually
I like this one. So which one do you think
was more dominating in their prime? Michael Jordan or Mike Tyson.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Mm.

Speaker 17 (41:22):
Now, I don't vote, and I usually don't go against
MJ in anything, but I have heard some stories about
Mike Tyson fights and if you were not there on time,
you were missing the fight because he was knocking mofos
in seconds.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
I think the keyword there is dominant. So for that,
I would say Tyson.

Speaker 17 (41:47):
But then you do got Jordan in his prime, if.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
He had the ball, it was game over, right, But
I mean he passed it to Steve Kerr, so.

Speaker 17 (41:58):
I hear and John Paxson.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Right, Michael Jordan, he would dominate at every level. He
would dominate in today's game the years that he played.
He would probably even dominate Mike Tyson in a ring.
I can't. I know. I know that Mike Tyson is
a scary, scary individual, but I think of you know,

(42:21):
the the amount of games in an NBA season and
how he did it. Over the course of his career,
Jordan was dominant majority of every game he played in.
I'm going Michael Jordan because he's the goat of all goats.
But I do understand the Tyson dominant conversation.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
My thing is he had fifty wins. Forty four of
them were by knockout. That is dominance.

Speaker 18 (42:43):
Fair, that's insane, that's fair.

Speaker 17 (42:46):
Yeah, I give you that tone. I think Jordan probably
did it a little bit longer.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
But yeah, for sure.

Speaker 17 (42:52):
But yeah, boxing that's a that's a different animal to
get in the ring, and Tyson probably was one of
the best, especially at knocking people.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Might be the toughest one yet. Maso, thank you, good job, Mason,
good job man. That's the race. Saint Clair Roofing hotline.
That's Maso. He's the talkback president. I guess no one
elected him, but he was appointed to be the talkback president.
I like the agenda that he's pushing, so I do too.
Now that's one if if you'd like to weigh in,

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leave us a talkback. We'll get to those. How St
number two, he got past ms without using Maso or
Mason or anything like that. We don't have to worry
about that. Michael Jordan or Mike Tyson most dominant in
their prime sounds like the great leadoff question for Joe Danim.
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Hour two Tuesday, Joe Daniman Time, Let's Fox nineteen Zone.
Joe Danaman, Hello, Joe Blue Joe. We were just asked
a question in their prime who was more dominant, Michael

(45:09):
Jordan or Mike Tyson. Your answer would be what, Wow, boy.

Speaker 11 (45:15):
That is hard. I'm gonna say Mike Tyson. I'm going
to say Mike Tyson. Now I've always said this about Jordan.
I tell this to my kids that you know, dad,
what was Michael Jordan like? And I said, Michael Jordan
always felt inevitable. And I grew up a Lakers fan
and Jordan came along and he pretty much put the
nail on the coffin of the showtime Lakers in the

(45:38):
early nineties. So I was not a Jordan hater, but
I didn't always root for Michael Jordan. And when you're
root against Michael Jordan. It just felt inevitable that it
was going to happen. But the word dominant, Yeah, when
Mike Tyson was in his prime, you know, guys couldn't
even last around with him. I mean the jan took

(45:59):
Jordan to say games. I mean some of these theories
would go long. It felt like Mike Tyson. We had
to go back in the day when Tyson fought in
pay per view. You had to drive to the cable
company and get a cable box and line it up
and like all your neighbors would come over. You paid
ninety nine dollars and you watch thirty seven seconds of
a boxing match, and it would be the greatest thing

(46:21):
you've ever seen because Mike Tyson just put a guy
through the ropes. So I'm gonna go Tyson as most dominant.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Was Michael Jordan more or less inevitable than the Reds
losing that game last night?

Speaker 11 (46:35):
Well that's tough, man. And I know a lot of
people are debating the eighth inning, and I understand why
they're debating the eighth inning. It just felt like to
me that Andrew Abbott went one batter too long. You know,
he got the two strikeouts to start the eighth, they
get to hit, they get the game tying run, and

(46:58):
then he's got to come out before he faces Shore.
I mean, sure, we're hits lefties just as well as
he hits rity. If you look at his splits, I
believe at that point, well, no, Santio was in for sure,
We're I'm talking about yeah, for Tray Turner. I don't
think he should have faced Turner. I think Santio should
have been in for Turner. Francona should have had him
up earlier, to come in earlier to face him. It

(47:20):
felt like one bat or too long, And when you're
splitting hairs in a wild card race like this, decisions
like that feel huge. Last night's eighth innings felt like
a gug punch for this team. Again. I don't blame
Francona for starting Abd in the eighth, for sticking with
him through the nine hole hitter, But once they got

(47:40):
the lineup turned over and the game was tied, I
think that was time to make the change and he didn't.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Let's keep the inevitable theme going here, because all off
season Joe from the time the season for the Bengals
ended last year to where we are now, it felt
inevitable that we're going to be having conversations about the
safety position. I think if there's three positions we've talked
about most in the offseason, it's been oh line, defensive line,
and the safety or secondary you could lump in together.

(48:07):
And yet free agency came, the draft came, and the
Bengals kind of stood where they were at safety. They
gave Genostone a pay cut, and then we saw and
albeit it doesn't seem like a very serious injury to Genostone,
but you do talk soft tissue, it raises the question,
have the Bengals done enough and as there enough on

(48:29):
the current roster in your opinion at that safety position.

Speaker 11 (48:34):
No, And I think if you go back to our
conversations right before the draft, even up to draft day
and the final hour before the draft started, you know,
we were talking about the Bengals possibly being in play
to draft to safety in the first round and then
a safety in the second round as well when Al
Golden's guy was still available on the board and they

(48:55):
just decided not to do that. Now, I also go
back to the conversations you've had, and I've said this
many times on the show. And I'll say it again now,
is that I don't think they were going to fix
the defense in one offseason. Now, certainly they've thrown a
lot of resources at it as far as draft picks
and going out and making some moves in free agency,

(49:18):
none of them real splash moves. And of course they
made the coaching change with Al Golden. It feels like
to me they're betting on Al Golden being the kind
of person who can take this team and this defense
to a next level. And certainly what we watched in
the preseason opener, albeit down four starters. Albeit if you

(49:39):
want to lean into the excuses of not showing much
on defense, I know that comes with a bit of
an eye roll from Bengals fans. Sometimes We've always been
on the we're not going to judge this defense until
we see them play regular season games. But it certainly
felt too much like the twenty twenty four season watching
the preseason opener. But the safety position has always been

(50:03):
going back to last year, going into the offseason, going
into this season, to me, is the biggest question mark
on this team because it just doesn't feel like there's
enough speed and enough playmaking at a position where you
need both in the modern NFL, I think Jordan Battle
is a guy you want on your roster. I think

(50:23):
he's either a good player a good death player. I
think he'd be great as maybe a third safety, but
he's thrust into the point now where he might be
their most impactful safety. He certainly made a play today,
and he's made plays at training camp, So I think
he's a good player that you want on your team.
But if you're lining up and building a team and

(50:44):
you're saying Jordan Battles your number one safety, I think
a lot of people would have concerns with that, and
I think that's where they are right now. So to me,
as you mentioned, offensive line, defensive line, safety, safety has
always been the number one concern for me for this team,
for a team that is desperate for playmaking and impact players.

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You look at some of the great defenses that we've
grown up with that we watched, and some of the
great defenses in the NFL right now, they have guys
who make plays at those positions. And even though Jordan
Battle has made some plays in training camp, and even
though Gino Stone made a few plays down the stretch
run last season. It just feels like that's the position

(51:25):
that can be had and can be exploited. And I
still think that's a problem spot for the Bengals that
they did not address in the offseason before this season
got started, and we saw it on Thursday night.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
I look at what happened Thursday night and I think
of it in the eyes of the Trey Hendrickson camp.
Probably nothing that happened is going to take away leverage
that you already had. I know Miles Murphy was a
little bit banged up in practice today, but seeing the
defense the way they've been and still knowing that this
Trey Hendrickson situation looms over the team, do you feel
like we're any closer now then we've been or is

(52:01):
it still kind of status quo as it relates to
Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 11 (52:05):
Yeah, I don't have a read outside of just waiting
at this point. It's been very quiet. It's been behind
the scenes. It's one of those things that hasn't been
talked about a lot, even by people like us outside
of just conversations like this, But it's not talked about
on the news, it's not shown a lot on TV.

(52:26):
It's just one of those things where people pass you
in conversation and are often asking, hey, man, is Trey
going to have a new deal. I still maintain confidence
that both sides understand the urgency of having him out
there for week one and having him out there at
training camp in enough time for him to be himself

(52:47):
in week one. And again that's the big part of
this conversation. It's not just having Trey Hendrickson on the
field week one. The bank has had Jamar Chase on
the field week one last year, but he was not
the normal Jamar Chase. The Bangles need to learn from that,
understand that they have to give whatever it is done
and and Trey happy to the point where he can
get on the practice field and be himself or close

(53:09):
to it week one in Cleveland against the Browns. I
still maintain confidence that still be on the field week one.
I maintain confidence it'll likely be with a deal that
is different than the one he currently has. The timetable
that there's no new information out there on that is
currently being done behind the scenes, but I think it's

(53:31):
imperative for the Bengals to look back to last year
and even though this situation is different, it is similar
that it's a star player at a very important position,
a premium position in the NFL, and you can't just
wheel him out the week before the game and say
go get him and expect him to be himself. Even
though Trey plays a different position. As far as timing

(53:53):
that Jamar Chase plays, I do think he needs a
bigger ramp up than just one week before the regular
season to get out there and be himself. So I
would hope the Bengals and Trey both steal that urgency
to get it done before then. And that's where I'm curious. Now,
it's about a two week window here, maybe about twenty

(54:13):
days for him to get this thing done for him
to be himself. I think in.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Cleveland, do you think there will be the same Trey
Hendrickson we've seen, because that's what all I've always been
curious about, because he comes in the offseason, he holds
his own media junket, and then he doesn't show up
on the first day of training camp, but then he
shows back up. And from the moment he showed up,
we have talked about man. He seems like he's being
a great teammate. He's helping the young guys. He's very

(54:40):
hands on with everything. He made the trip to Philadelphia
with the team to talk through things and watch as
it happens. Do you think that stays the same or
do you think we see less of Trey Hendrickson as
one of those maybe negotiating tactics to say, look, I
showed up, I was the teammate I needed to be.
I'm here. But if we're not going to get anywhere,

(55:00):
then maybe I'll go away or maybe I'll start controlling
the narrative. Again.

Speaker 11 (55:03):
It's a great question, and I think it's unpredictable. I
don't think we can predict that. I think all we
can do is go off a man's word. And what
he said when he showed up for training camp was
that he wanted to be present for the younger players,
that he felt that what was something that he owed
to the younger players because people did it for him.

(55:25):
And so until we get to the point where he
might have to go in a different direction as a
negotiation tactic, haven't thought about it, but certainly, now that
you say it, it's something that could definitely be on
the table. But from everything he said in the language
he used when he came back to training camp about
being a good teammate and being there and being present

(55:47):
for younger players and helping them get ready to be
them their best selves. I think you have to take
it at base value until we hear or see something else.
But certainly, now that you bring it to light, it's
a possibility. I would like to think it's a remote
possibility that that since he's been back, he understands that

(56:11):
the finds that come with with leaving, that that would
come with missing as well. It didn't seem to sit
well with him, and certainly wants to keep his money.
So if I were in a handicap, and I certainly
think that that trade is going to be here and
be around and negotiate in person or or be present
here in Cincinnati. But certainly that's on the table. It's

(56:34):
it's it's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities.
But if you take the man of what he said
when he came back to training camp, it sounds like
he wants to be here for the right reason, to
help younger players while his business is being taken care
of on the side.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
On the offensive side of the ball. We haven't had
a chance to talk since, uh, since what we saw
on the field against the Eagles, Dylan Fairjob makes us
first start. And I know a lot of the attention
was on Lucas Patrick, Cody Ford, but granted it's a
hard position to take a lot from when watching the
game because of what's happening in the trenches, But anything
from Dylan Fairchild that leads you to be a little

(57:13):
more comfortable with where the offensive line is right now.

Speaker 7 (57:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (57:16):
And I think to go back to the language that
the coaches have used since they drafted him, was you know,
they weren't going to give him the job that they
wanted to make it one that he had to lose,
that he was the front runner and he was going
to go out there and if he played well, it
was his job to lose. And I think he kind
of cemented himself as someone we can comfortably say, Okay,

(57:40):
he's the guy.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
I thought.

Speaker 11 (57:41):
I thought he played well enough. I thought he showed
well given the situation again not facing starters, but everything
he's done at training camp and then into that preseason
game feels like that's been put to bed and that's
you know, I don't know if he's going to go
out there and play at a high level. But certainly
it feels like it's been put to bed any questions

(58:03):
that he's going to be the opening day starter and
be this guy's answer or be the Bengals answer at
that position. So I think what Dylan did in the
first game, the first preseason game was a positive and
certainly people are going to talk about the other guard
spot if you mentioned it. Lucas Patrick had a couple

(58:25):
of moments where he whipped and they took the fifteen
yard penalty when the Bengals were in the scoring zone,
and there's concern there. But I do think Dylan Fairchild,
the way he played in that first game, to me,
that kind of put the bed storyline any idea that
he wouldn't be the guy. And I don't know if
that was ever a question. I think we all just

(58:45):
kind of assumed it. The way he was drafted, the
way the Bengals coaches talked about him, in the way
he's handled everything with maturity, it just felt like he
was going to be the guy the whole time, and
the way he played in that first game, I think
answered the question that he will be the starting guard
on Week one, where the Bank let's go to Cleveland

(59:07):
and good on him. That's a hard thing to do
to come in and be surrounded by by veteran offensive
lineman light like a Ted Terrris, by Orlando Brown, by
a Marius MiBBs, who we think is ascending in year two,
to jump right in and grab a spot, say all
the right things. He's done that, and so I think
Dylan Fairchild, the way he played on Thursday night, to me,

(59:30):
kind of put to bed any question if he's going.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
To be the week one started any anything else Offensively,
It's hard because of how well the offense moved the ball.
Did anything or anyone else stand out to you from
preseason game number one?

Speaker 11 (59:44):
I just think what Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase are
at this point is is still just incredible to watch
the timing, the playmaking on both ends. Just how dangerous
they can be. You know, we said several times talking
about what they did last year and thinking to ourselves,

(01:00:04):
there's no way they can top that. Statistically, it'll be
their best statistical season, a triple crown winner, forty three touchdowns,
just because we believe the defense can't be worse. The
Bengals won't have to play from behind as much. Maybe
they don't have to throw the ball as much, but
the efficiency with what they did it seems like every time,

(01:00:24):
and it's not just the preseason game, it's training camp,
but they're timing their chemistry the back shoulder throws, and
that's one thing to me that Joe has always been
excellent at, and now it seems just unstoppable, unguardable when
he throws those back shoulder throws. He's thrown them to Jamar,
We've seen him throwing to Andrea Yoshiba's throughout camp. And

(01:00:47):
Andre is another guy that I would like to highlight
here when you ask about the offense because what Andrea's
done necessarily not in the preseason game, but in training
camp and even today making another big play down the field.
You know, Andre has always been a guy that we've
seen make off script plays. He has good chemistry with

(01:01:07):
Joe when when the play breaks down and they're able
to kind of go off script and make plays that way.
But the timing and the contested catching that we've seen
from Andrea Yoshivas so far here at training camp has
been a next level for him. That's been a difference maker.
So if you're asking me about a guy, and I've
said often that I think a Marius Mens has the

(01:01:31):
biggest jump ability this year from Florida ceiling, just because
I mean, how much higher can Burrow and Chase go
with their ceiling? How much higher can Tee Higgins go
with his ceiling. I think Andrea Yoshibas has a chance
to go up a floor this year. But the way
he's played so far at training camp in the add
on to his game, and Joe's talked openly about the

(01:01:53):
idea of how much Andre's improved in contested catches and
how much more confidence he has in him making plays
like that, So not necessarily game one preseason playmaking from
Andre in Philadelphia that to me was about Jamar Joe
and just the level they're at seems to be different
than any other quarterback wide receiver combination in the NFL.

(01:02:17):
But it's also what Andre's done throughout training camp to
me that I think raises his fom maybe a level
this year to be just a little bit more involved
in the passing game outside of the red zone and
outside of just the off script chemistry creativity that Burrow
and Andre have together.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Lastly, and I know that this is something you've kept
track of and something you've been waiting for. But tomorrow
night on New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelsey, Taylor
Swift will be appearing on the podcast. I don't know
if she's never just done a podcast before, but New
Heights as popular as is now, Taylor Swift adds this
new element. How locked in are you going to be?

(01:02:57):
Danaman for this pod cast tomorrow night?

Speaker 11 (01:03:02):
So full disclosure, I'm gonna text from you guys last
night asking me about Taylor Swift bomb and I'm like,
what are you even talking about? I've been down a
great American ballpark dancing that Ain't No Fun by Snoop Dogg,
and you guys are talking about Taylor Swift. I'm like,
what is happening? I'll say that here's where I'll get
my Taylor Swift information from the New Heights podcast. Whatever

(01:03:24):
is clipped and put on Twitter is what I'll see.
I've actually never listened to their podcast outside of the
one they taked here, and then whatever clips I see
of them online, so I feel like I get what
I need from from whatever social media is going to
post from those clips? Is she announcing a new album,

(01:03:48):
already been.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Announced album tour. Some are speculating that they might be
engaged or maybe even married at this point. There's just
a lot that's going on here, Jill.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
I don't think she announced a tour. I think she
announced a new album.

Speaker 11 (01:04:01):
Can I tell you a quick story about Taylor Swift
and Jasas City, please? So this is when the Bangs
are playing in Casey and Travis and Taylor are together
and I'm at the Bother's a really long tunnel in
Kansas City where it goes from the parking lot down
to the field, and that tunnel also leads to the
Kansas City locker room. And we've seen this golf cart

(01:04:24):
coming down the hill and it's just like a group
of four or five of us, and there's no security
around the golf cart or anything like that. And so
he's like, you've got Taylor Swift. I'm like, as that's
one hundred yards away, there's no way, as Taylor Swift,
there would be four or five guys walking alongside of her.
Sure Enough, the golf cart stops and Taylor Swift gets out.

Speaker 18 (01:04:44):
It's just her.

Speaker 11 (01:04:45):
One security guy's like, what's up? Everybody? I'm like, well,
that's just like, you know, the biggest star in the
world just said hello to was That was kind of
a cool thing. And I think that was also New
Year's Eve, if I'm not mistaken. The Bank was played
that game on New Year's Eve and she walked by
the media room wished everybody a happy New Year. And
I thought that was kind of a cool thing. So
I have been in the presence of the great Taylor

(01:05:07):
Swift in Kansas City when the Bengals played there. But
I will not be dialed in the New Heights podcast.
I'll let Austin text me about it. He was texting
me about it last night. He seems to be plugged.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Into Honest to god, I've never watched an episode or
listened to an episode of it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
I've watched the clips, but.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
My Twitter, I liked one tweet about Taylor Swift last night,
and then my entire fall Taylor Swift for the next
three hours.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Yeah. So you'll be at Arrowhead in a couple of weeks,
won't you, Joe?

Speaker 13 (01:05:38):
You know, boy, oh boy, I will not.

Speaker 11 (01:05:43):
Be I will you know what, I'm trying to get
the aerowhead for the World Cup next year. I've never
covered a World Cup game, and I'm trying to get
the arrowhead for a wark.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I thought like I could like jump in and drive
with you and Jeremy and make some content. And now
you guys have been to Kansas City enough, but you're
not going to go for the bear Cats. Okay, that's
the problem.

Speaker 11 (01:06:02):
Okay, here's the issue. The game is at nine o'clock, yes,
nine o'clock, and it won't end in Twilve until twelve thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
We drive throughout the night.

Speaker 11 (01:06:10):
Our news is done, Our news is done at eleven thirty,
so we're not we won't get enough bang for the
buck to go to Kansas City. And boy, I'm just
kind of worn out with the drive to Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Anyway, you got bang for your buck when you put
me on outside of that whatever that hotel resort was
in Dallas. I know that was bang for the buck
late night. Fair enough, though, you did, Man, fair enough, Joe.

Speaker 11 (01:06:31):
You turned up for that, Joe, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
I was like, sure, let's do it. I'll come on.

Speaker 10 (01:06:37):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Uh, Danman, you're the you're the best man. We'll talk
again soon. Have a great rest of your week, gentlemen.

Speaker 11 (01:06:45):
Always a pleasure yea.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen. He's the best love Joe.
He's ready to go with him. It's his personal friends
with t Swizzle. It's such a match too that now
him and Charlie are working together on different things because
you can throw anything at him and they're always going
to be ready for it, never not prepared. Except for

(01:07:11):
that pause when I asked him if he's going to Arrowhead,
I knew what was coming.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Iron sharpening, iron is those two and then obviously yeah,
Jeremy into the mix.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Well, you're talking about iron sharpening and iron. Jeremy has
completely changed up the shoe game after being called out
by us for one day.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Well, you know he should be thankful because how often
do you see somebody out in public.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Yeah, no one says anything.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
And they're wearing something and you think to yourself, man,
that person doesn't have anyone in their life that loves
them enough to say, hey, you can't leave the house
looking like this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I'm just checking you. But Jeremy does.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Because we love Jeremy, we care about Jeremy and we
know he needs to be better and we're not afraid
to tell him that. Yep, that's what we bring to
the table here, welcome Jeremy since he three point sixty.
Now it's time for what you bring to the table,
the listener, because you're talking dude, fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Your chance at one thousand dollars ain't a trip to
our backs.

Speaker 19 (01:08:06):
Press the microphone in tone, please keep it clean and
don't be mean, and a sprinkle sprinkled drip drip. It's
that time for talkbacks. It's our favorite part of Sancy
three sixties. Austin Buddy played that talk back on your

(01:08:28):
screen and please try not too Saba Taja.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Dude, Yeah you know what I mean, man, Snoop Dogg.
Last night out in that Ellie de la Cruz basketball
jersey on stage at gabt tough is a two dollars stay.
So many people are like, like, man, that is a
sweet jersey. When doer we can get that? Well, you
can get it at Sinci Shirts and you could help
get it at Sincy Shirts if you win best talk
back of the week because you get a Cincy Church
gift card on Friday. There you go, Greg Sharonville.

Speaker 20 (01:08:56):
Another gut punch loss when this team can only score
one run. I know Hayes is a great defensive player.
I'll tell you the facts are, he's a nine hole
hitter that can't hit, and he's no health to this
team offensively.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
He helped them defensively. So you're talking about Austin Hazer. Key,
Brian Hayes, Key, Brian, Okay, he had a hit last.

Speaker 21 (01:09:23):
Call me sadistic. But I still listen to the Reds,
like when I'm in the car running the rounds and
I usually hear the game about halfway through and the
Reds might be up like three to one, and I go, well,
they're gonna lose that game. Why can't this team hold

(01:09:44):
a lead? Why explain it to me in baseball terms?

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Because they can't score enough runs, enough runs, and the
Philadelphia Phillies are a World Series contender. You're not gonna
shut them out?

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Yeah, I mean, what is it forty one times now?

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
They've scored three? Your viewer?

Speaker 12 (01:10:01):
So yeah, oh am I going to get in trouble
on this talk back.

Speaker 21 (01:10:07):
You know how in baseball they got a pitch clock.

Speaker 12 (01:10:10):
Well, during the Tony and Moe training camp show, Moe
needs a talk clock. I listen and it's ninety percent.
Mo just blabbing, and I want to hear Tony and
all his professional football knowledge twelve attempts.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Man, well, you only have six more completions than me
and MO, you're.

Speaker 16 (01:10:38):
Correct extremely disappointed with Snoop Dogg yesterday. What we were
up in the for eleven section and you couldn't hear
anything a.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Lot of that. I also hate to hear that too.
I also heard he was an hour late that. Now,
that is like, that's one thing if you're at like
a riverbend, because I've been to that before. When you're
doing it at a ballpark, you can't be late.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
I was there for Vanilla Ice one time. Yeah, and
he I mean, you really couldn't hear that much of
him either. And we were in like the middle section,
which I guess we were probably right where he was
at four to eleven. Actually, yeah, concert in a stadium
is not the best idea.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
I don't know that I'm I'm all on board, but
I like I like concert venues for that reason.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
I also think that the stage should be either right
in front of one of the dugouts or on home plate.
Yeah that makes sense. Don't you think that makes sense?
Because it's just it's out there like behind second base.
It's so far away.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Yeah, but I mean, what do I know. I'm just
I just talk on the radio. Ikers can't be chooser.

Speaker 22 (01:11:50):
I have breaking news. Austin hit the Sounder. Not with
the incredible preseason week one performance, going fourteen for twenty three,
one hundred thirty eight yards and two touchdowns. The Cleveland
Browns have decided to retire the number twelve Jersey door Sanders.
And also in other news, Trey Hendrickson has been spotted

(01:12:10):
at the Kenwood Country Club, currently sitting at four over
pars through six, not looking good. He's hoping to bounce
back here when he makes the turn.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
All right, shout out, shout out to Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 15 (01:12:23):
As Tony ponters his life at the dockery deck. I
ponder what the heck is that growth on Andrew Ebbotts's neck.
Is it a boiler or a pimple? Is it a
goidter or a dimple? Maybe it's not that simple. That
growth has game, so perhaps we should give it a name.
Abbott's habit is it it won't quit? Or the Cincinnati bump.
Either way, that earth remains plump like Austin's belly and
maybe smelling a truck full of jelly. The batter's be

(01:12:45):
ready because there's nobody better than our crafty lefty man.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Okay, I don't know if I even if I even
noticed it. The first I'm hearing of it, I meant
a great rhyme. Maybe that's what gave him his powers.
It's a great.

Speaker 23 (01:12:59):
Several posts and headlines have circulated regarding my absence from
talkbacks yesterday. Unfortunately, some of these reports have omitted important contacts,
leading to false assumptions about my commitment and character. To
be clear, my absence from Talkbacks yesterday was due to
me being but hurt because somebody on Facebook called me
woefully unfunny.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Oh.

Speaker 23 (01:13:20):
Any suggestion otherwise is simply untrue. I take my job
as a professional talkbacker in my preparation for this show.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Seriously, I agree. I think you do fantastic. I let
it roll off the back man.

Speaker 24 (01:13:33):
Hey Fellas, it's Adam. In regards to Bengals training camp.
With all that you've seen so far, I'm wondering, what
are your two biggest players who have been a surprise
and your two biggest players who've been at disappointment?

Speaker 14 (01:13:48):
And do you agree that Dez should be QB too.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
I think they're I think he could put a little
pressure on I don't think he's QB two yet. Jake
Browning's done it in real games and shown his value.
I have been surprised pleasantly with Shamar Stewart and how
quickly he has taken and made an impact with his team.
I could say the same with Demetrius Knight, but I
think from a surprise standpoint, I would add Dylan Fairchad

(01:14:13):
and what he's been able to do. From a disappointment standpoint,
Miles Murphy is up there, Patrick and Cody Ford because
neither of them seem to want to win the job
is pretty disappointing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
I was going I was going to say, I was
gonna say Cody Ford and Miles Murphy is my disappointments,
my surprise, I guess I would say Josh Newton has
been solid, I don't know that he's been really good,
and then yeah, I think that's kind of it really

(01:14:52):
TOAJ Brooks, although I don't know if that's much of
a surprise if you knew what he did in college.

Speaker 10 (01:14:58):
Our curious what moves would you want the Bengals to
have made by now to improve the the defense.

Speaker 14 (01:15:05):
They sunk a ton of money into their offense. They
drafted nothing but defensive players.

Speaker 10 (01:15:10):
Are you wanting the Bengals to sign a bunch of
free agents now that you know thirty one other teams
are passing on is No, they have had a viable
strategy to improve the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
No, but they had a foot are your suggestion?

Speaker 14 (01:15:24):
What are you wanting them to do?

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Well? They had a full free agency period where you
could have got some of the top free agents. They
had a draft, you could have addressed it. They also
still have twenty nine million dollars in cap space. So yes,
did did did they pay t Higgins and Jamar Chase? Yes?
Did they make some I guess under the radar solid moves.
I think you can argue that as well. But it's

(01:15:47):
not like they have no money. They have money available.
They could have spent that money earlier in the offseason.
And I still think they could spend that money they have.
What did they tie into TJ. Slaton five million dollars
something like that. Not that much? Yeah, next to nothing.
There were plenty. There were the fact of what we

(01:16:08):
were talking about, There were moves that they could have
made right like after the season, here are the deficiencies.
We went to a full off season, but the full
free agency, full draft, trade, do whatever you want to do,
and they're still having these same conversations. So yes, I
think there was plenty of time and money available to
do it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
I think the big answer to that question is that
not all thirty one other teams have the same needs
or deficiencies of the as the Bengals do, and because
they have not been adequately able to supplement the deficiencies
of the roster here, they are needing more production from
those spots. There's a couple of examples, so Sante Samuel

(01:16:46):
Junior as a cornerback, Zadarias Smith as an edge rusher,
Justin Simmons as a safety. They still have cap space
to be able to make moves like this, George fant
as a potential even though he's coming off of an injury.
Rasul Douglas, a former cornerback of the Buffalo Bills, Like,

(01:17:06):
there are guys out there that, if nothing else, can
improve the bottom of your roster and that in turn
makes you a better football team. And you have to
be able to consider that, and you know Justin Blackman
was a name that we talked about as a potential safety. Well,
the Colts scooped him up before training camp started. They

(01:17:27):
identified a deficiency. They said, this is a veteran player
that we think can compete. Let's go get him. That's
the type of stuff we're talking about. So you're not
having Tyson Anderson and PJ. Jewles take first team reps
with your defense when neither one of them you feel
like are capable of doing so, and you don't want
to have to face Brian Thomas Junior in week two

(01:17:48):
and Justin Jefferson in week three.

Speaker 11 (01:17:50):
Yep, Tony, think about last season. How often did we
play a second third team quarter back, offensive line, defensive
line and still struggle last year? Just because it's preseason
doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Okay, we need better players, Yes, we agree they need
better players. They haven't got better players.

Speaker 25 (01:18:18):
I'll tell you the Bengals defense, you gotta squeeze that
Wrens hard.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
I wish they could have.

Speaker 25 (01:18:23):
Signed maybe a middle of the road better in safety,
but that probably would have made too much sense. Kyle
Swarvers from Middletown need to see Korea and Bragman back
in Houston like the Swan's going back to Capistrano.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
Salmon's salmon? How about that? How about that Bregman Homer,
Yeah launched?

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
How about all the sincerestic listeners? Something nice?

Speaker 8 (01:18:57):
I think we started to fund me the st Strawberry
Chiefs vacation for a while.

Speaker 23 (01:19:01):
Maybe you can take common talkback miners guy with him.

Speaker 14 (01:19:05):
Seriously, Bud, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Not very much comment about you at all.

Speaker 8 (01:19:08):
I bet you like to take.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Name Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Strawberry cheeks man. That's mean, he's a nice man that
is uncalled for. Yeah, Austin, how you guys doing today?

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Where are you walking?

Speaker 9 (01:19:26):
And Matt McClain, they look terrible and lost at the
plate man. They're not helping this team a bit right now.
And I hope the Reds go get Sworeburn next year.
That might might give him the edge and get him
over the hump next year to get to the playoffs,
because it's not happening this year.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Would dominate Jordan, no doubt.

Speaker 8 (01:19:48):
No, no, no, I'm not saying that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Okay, so you did say that, though you said Jordan
might dominate Tyson in the ring.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
They got a better chance of signing freaking Babe Ruth
than Kyle s war Barretter this year. They got a
better chance of plugging me in the lineup than Kyle.
Are we at all worried about the disappearance of any
of Elie's power? It seems like, yeah, I mean, what's
he got no home runs in August? He had one
home run in all of July.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Again, to clarify, the reason it has disappeared is because
the Reds don't want players hitting home runs.

Speaker 8 (01:20:24):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
They hired Chris Valaika for this reason.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
They don't want their players hitting home runs. They want
everybody to hit line drives in singles and get on base.
They are the most ass backwards operation when it comes
to roster building and their philosophy that I have ever seen.
Because they don't have power. What are they twenty first
in baseball? See their record when they hit homers, it's

(01:20:48):
pretty good. I mean, Barry Larkin said the quiet part
out loud when he said home runs kill rallies. That's
the way that this baseball ops department thinks. That's why
at least power is gone is because they brought in
a hitting coach that is not trying to get guys
to hit homers, and they can't freaking score. They are

(01:21:11):
a clueless bunch.

Speaker 14 (01:21:14):
Hey, fellas, I had to weigh in. I'm one of my.

Speaker 24 (01:21:18):
Favorite topics boxing that Masa brought up now. As much
as I don't like Jordan, he had a cast of
characters around him, Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, you name it.

Speaker 14 (01:21:30):
It was not an individual sport. So I too would
lead Mike Tyson.

Speaker 24 (01:21:35):
But with the preface before Buster Douglas, he was basically
a tomato can.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
After that, Wow, okay Buster Douglas from I don't know
Columbus o oh.

Speaker 14 (01:21:50):
Hey fellas, I had to weigh in.

Speaker 9 (01:21:52):
When made please please no, I left. I would have
left in the rest of the game. That offense did
not produce anything for him. One run, give me a break.
I would have left him in.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Okay, Yes, it's not good enough. The off Binnattie out
here is Sonny hots on it?

Speaker 7 (01:22:08):
What up?

Speaker 18 (01:22:08):
Tony?

Speaker 13 (01:22:09):
What up?

Speaker 11 (01:22:09):
Body? Yo?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Reds don't get swept? All right? Real talk?

Speaker 26 (01:22:12):
Bring Swimmer back. He wants to come home. Why not
give him a shot in Great America A small part.
I can see it already. Why is everybody hating on
our QB like this? I mean the execs know what
it is unanimous, State Farm frog or State Farm Dude
won't be there forever. Joe is about to be the man.
And why is Baltimore and Pittsburgh hating on us so much?
Which one of them fan base hate us the most?

(01:22:34):
I don't like neither one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
They stink.

Speaker 27 (01:22:38):
If Gavin MUCKs is playing outfield for Redding, Sydney or
Indian Hill High School last night with that throw, he's
out of the game instantaneously, probably doesn't play for a
couple more. I know at the beginning of the year
that Tito possibly not so magnificent, said, oh, we're not
gonna embarrass anybody or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
But the stuff just keeps.

Speaker 27 (01:22:55):
Going on and on and on, and if you just
can't have any faith in this that they're ever going
to do the.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Right thing, I'm starting to believe the idea that there's
a good old boys club with Tito Francona that just
you know what I mean, like his guys or his guys.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Back again for a double dit.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
But I really don't want to blame everything on francon
because I you know, I don't think it's all on him.
Get it MO, put it on Twitter the other night,
We're like, he has to press the perfect buttons because
there's no margin for error. And so because of that,
his mistakes are going to be magnified, and he is
going to make mistakes. But because of the fact that

(01:23:34):
his bosses have put together this ridiculous operation of a team,
it makes his job a lot harder.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Back again for a double dip. I be leaving that
talk back.

Speaker 26 (01:23:44):
I'll walk back in, you know, me flexing my city.
I'm always wearing something Cincinnati, and I run into a
guy who walks in.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
You know, he got all Nebraska. He dressed in Nebraska
cornhusk gear. Oh no, he was like, are you from Cincinnati?
I said, yeah, and brand what's up? Who's like? Are
you a Bearcat fan?

Speaker 13 (01:24:03):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:24:03):
I'm a Bearcat fan. We play you guys in Arrowhead.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
Oh we got was going to beat you?

Speaker 8 (01:24:07):
I said, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Do we about to smoke you? Smoke you come home?

Speaker 14 (01:24:11):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
That sounded like a Nebraska fan.

Speaker 11 (01:24:15):
Hello.

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
Hello, this is Evan and Evandale. Tommy, what channel is
that Huber Heights podcast on? With Tanya swift End Soccer nineteen.
My nieces are big fans of MS Swift, and I

(01:24:40):
thought I could figure out what the big deal is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
I don't have that information on hand actually, but I'll
work to get that for you.

Speaker 25 (01:24:51):
Is there a chance that Snoop Dogg got all smoked
out in the green room and wound.

Speaker 6 (01:24:56):
Up showing up at pay Course Stadium looking around?

Speaker 14 (01:25:00):
Know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 (01:25:01):
Damn?

Speaker 14 (01:25:01):
Where is everybody.

Speaker 9 (01:25:05):
Reading the Since I inquired it in, Gordon Whittmeyer had
brought up going after Kyle Schwarber, So I guess he
believes in that, so do I?

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Yeah, listen, Kyle Schwarber could march up to Nick Kral's
office today and say I will play for this organization
next wheels falling from now until the end of my career,
and I will do it for free. And they would say, no,
thank you, we don't want guys that hit Homer it
was our last one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Are they going to move the walls back? You think
at all a g ABP.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
Maybe that would that would cost money into Nick Krawl's
operating budget.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Maybe like a maybe like a chain fence.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
You wouldn't be able to get as many bibble heads
out and as many concerts. It is though, maybe they
could do some sort of a party deck it. It
is absolutely insane to me that August forty one at
bats Ellie has seven hits, one double, no triples, no
home runs.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Number one. I do think he's tired, coming off a
month where he had one home run. Yeah, that's unbelievable.
I'm sure he's tired. He's played every single day and
nobody would fault him for that. But also I fully
believe the way that they have and he's improved in
parts of his game. He made a great play last night.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
Defensively, I think he's gotten a lot more consistent and offensively.
The walks are up, the strikeouts are down, that's all good,
but the power is gone. Yeah, it's tough number last year,
Jake Frayley, Rake power outage.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
What did you say? They report that to Duke Energy
Rake Frayley, I have to call him. Let's take a break,
let's come back, a quick injury report, and we will
talk more Bengals and we'll open up the phone lines
to you in our number three five to one, three seven, four, nine,
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few more elements on the Ray Saint Clair Roofing Hotline.
Before that, a quick injury update thanks to our friends
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(01:28:10):
four to four postman. Not much happening from an injury
standpoint with the Cincinnati Reds. Brandon Williamson, how about that
he began throwing off the mount of the Reds training facility.
Forgot about him? But uh, he has returned to Cincinnati.
Good for him, Ian Jibo, we talked about yesterday undergoing

(01:28:31):
more test after being pulled from his rehab assignment. And
is it still the plan that Hunter Green starts tomorrow? Okay,
why why would? Why would? I was just making sure.
I didn't know. These things can be fluid sometimes. I
was making sure that nothing has changed between then and now.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
I'm sure that there will be moves made around this
time tomorrow, actually earlier than that, to officially announce Hunter's reinstatement.
And who's going on the CNL Perez Expressway and so on.
You so this is not good news about Brandon Williamson.
He's been told to throttle back. I think so he's

(01:29:07):
been He's rejoined the club in Cincinnati for a week
to play catch and workout. Okay, yeah, so that's not
good news for Brandon. Yeah, not good news.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
H Jay Morrison did tweet this out earlier from a
Bengal standpoint. Genostone, Cedric Johnson, Devin Cochrane, Jermain Burton, Mike
Aasicki cam Sample, Trey Hendrickson all were not practicing today.
BJ Hill and Joseph Osai were back practicing for the
Cincinnati That's big news.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
We talked about BJ Hill yesterday. That's that was a
concern for me. Bj did talk to media after practice
and said that he is on track to play in
week one, said that that is the plan. So that
makes me feel a little bit better. We're obviously worried
about that. What about today's poll question, well, our Revivefitness
Systems dot Com poll question tone brought to you by
Revivefitnessystems dot Com and coach PJ. Street, which you have

(01:29:55):
not retweeted, is did Terry Francona make the right move
sticking with Andrew Abbott last night? Fifty three percent say
no he did not, Forty six percent say yes he did.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
I think the answer is no as well. I agree.
I did just receive a message that you'll appreciate. All right,
I'll leave the message who it came from. I'll leave
that anonymous. Okay, I just rode by Bemis Park its
centennial and reading there is a guy under the pavilion
shadow boxing with no shirt on. Yes, pavili joke, that's

(01:30:29):
the word I was looking for, no joke, he said, yes,
So this isn't just a one time thing. This is
someone training for something bigger. I'm glad that my story
has been corroborated. Man, that's a that's big time stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
I can Can that person turn around, take a picture
and go get some tape for us?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Maybe some info? Can he review the man?

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
If that if he has a fight coming up, I
want to promote it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
If who just sent me that didn't have the decency
to stop the car and take a video, what are
we doing? Seriously? Obviously obviously they'd listened to the show
to know that it was talked about. I don't know
that you got to film somebody if he's down there
shadow boxing but hoping to being filmed. True, it's a
what if it's an agent? Yeah, but like, yeah, I

(01:31:12):
want to know his name. I want to know what
he's training for. I want to know, you know, we
need more information? Yeah, man, Now now I'm interested to know, Like,
are there any famous boxers that are from reading Ohio.
I should know that growing up and ready, yeah, you
should know that. I mean, it's what about Zard Charles?

(01:31:33):
Ezard Charles is from here? Yeah? Uh. It appears that
there isn't a readily available list of boxers specifically from
Reading Ohio. But Ezard Charles in the Cincinnati area and
in prior nailed down mc regan, Freddie Miller. What was
the one guy? Was it Adrian Browner? Sure? He is?
He from Cincinnati? Maybe it was one of them. Maybe

(01:31:54):
Adrian's trying to get back in the game. Oh no,
you think so.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
I just I just looked up Redding, Ohio on Wikipedia
and there's a notable people page or a notable people section.
You're not on it. Wow, I thought for sure you
would be on this. Really, let me don't don't look
it up yet. Can you guess any of the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Names on there? Is Steve Angle on there? Steve is
not on there? What about the person that created what's
his name? I don't know, Well, Merle Robbins, don't know,
inventor of the card game Uno, Yes, he's on there. Bang,

(01:32:37):
I would Let's see Steve Angle played baseball? Who else
Brian O'Connor played Major League baseball. Brian O'Connor is on there, okay.
Is Deshaun Win on there? Yes?

Speaker 28 (01:32:46):
He is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Wow, I'm done. Everything I've ever said about reading is
now being taken away. Here's the list. I'm done, Ed Biles,
I'm done.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
Coach for the Houston Oilers, John Bayner, former Speaker of
the House, Speaker of the House, Rick Christopher, coach for
the Tampay Buccaneers, Ralph Davis basketball player, Richard E.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Meyer, Brian O'Connor, Richard Y. Mayer.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Who is not it, says businessman and record producer Brian O'Connor.
Merle Robbins, Joseph G. Wilson, who was a politician back
in like the eighteen hunters in Oregon. Ah, so not
in reading, okay, but he's from reading and Deshaun Win like, legit,

(01:33:35):
how are you not on there?

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
I could? I think I could edit this page and
put you on there. That's for the pokes and reading
to do. I don't have anything to say about that,
nut nuts, I got nothing to say. I guess while
I gather myself, we'll go to the race. Saint Claire
Roofing Hotline where Jeff is waiting. Hi Jeff, Happy Tuesday, Jens.

Speaker 13 (01:34:01):
I'm not on any famous people list that I'm aware of.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Hold on, I just got to throw this in. Richard E.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
Meyer Tony he founded the Chicago based record label Red
Label Records, and in nineteen eighty five, he wrote the
lyrics for and produced the Chicago Bears Super Bowl Shuffle.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
Okay, how about that? Now that is a big thing.
That's big. We've got the Super Bowl Shuffle and Uno
Jeff back to.

Speaker 13 (01:34:28):
You the traders going to Chicago to do his business.
A couple of quick thoughts on the Bengals defense. Am
I the only one who thinks that? And I get it?
It's practice and you made a big play. These guys
are celebrating an awful lot for a team that can't trate,
can't translate those plays to this field.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Right last week, Jeff, I thought that was a good
thing because I thought they're just confident, they're flying around.
And then I watched them in the game and they
didn't seem confident and they weren't flying around. So now
I am leaning that way.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Defenses celebrate like crazy for ever. Every little thing are nuts.

Speaker 13 (01:35:02):
Yeah, and Joe just called me walks off the field
after he hits Yoshi.

Speaker 22 (01:35:05):
On that pass today, I'm sure, but they say it before, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:35:11):
And then with regards to Trey always has so much
more leverage. A couple thoughts. Didn't we finish thirty first
in defense with him last year leading the league in sacks?

Speaker 29 (01:35:21):
That's correct, And isn't the line that Katie has to
win the negotiation? That's what he said with Yeah, wouldn't
you think that those two things combined, He's not getting
that third year guaranteed.

Speaker 13 (01:35:35):
It's just not going to happen. So yeah, maybe maybe
some revolution of the sun will bring a sunflair or
something and something will change. But all these people, oh
my god, look how bad the defense you need? Trey
back not going to happen at that angle, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Yeah, it is. It's certainly fair. I just I wonder
how much worse the defense could be if you take
away seventeen and a half sacks from what they had
last year. Then you're in a world have hurt as
if it couldn't get worse.

Speaker 13 (01:36:03):
Right exactly, So something to think about. Have a good afternoon, gents.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
Thank you, Jeff, and to clarify, it was Samar's Shamar
Stewart who said that about the Bengals winning.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
I thought he was going to go back to this
reading thing again. I was gonna lose it. I mean,
I don't want to hear another word about him. I mean,
I've carried the flag for that city.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
That's kind I mean, I don't know who to blame,
but it's kind of hard to Wikipedia right now to
think that you don't have that, You're not on there.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Tough times.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
You do have your own Wikipedia page tough Times, and
it does list you as reading Ohio.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
I'm running Ohio Born and Bred. Even has your parents
on there. I would imagine they still live in Reading.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
I would bet Steve why if I had the guess,
I'd bet Steve wrote this himself.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
You think he's got something to do with it? And went on,
and there was a piece, you know, when when the
Hall of Fame was announced, I did get a message
from a dear friend of our family and said, the
really good thing about this is there's no way your
dad can ride your coattails into this Hall of fame
like he did into the Redding Hall of Fame. And
then stole my.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
Speech I can't wait to hear you know that happened,
didn't you, Big ste Yeah, I know that story stole
my speech. I can't wait to hear Big Steve tell
the story of how somebody at the UC Hall of
Fame ceremony thought you were him yep, or thought he
was you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
It's his favorite thing right now. It's happened to him.
And the thing is, I've been around a couple times
now where someone has said, oh, is that your brother?
And I don't know how to take it, But the
fact that someone came up to him recently, I believe
it was a Montgomery in and said, Hey, I just
want to let you know you and Austin do such
a great job together on the radio. Man bottom of

(01:37:50):
beer and everything. Now he's drinking on my dime. Yep,
what's up, Mike.

Speaker 18 (01:37:57):
I can't believe you don't know about that guy that's
shadow boxing now. Listen. You don't know about the annual
Late Night Bar street Fighting Invitational, comprised of entries from Ready, Lachland, Even.

Speaker 11 (01:38:13):
Dale and Roselawn.

Speaker 18 (01:38:14):
I didn't know that Johnny Mouton has won a few
titles in the past. I'm sure he more than.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
It I guarantee he has. But no, it's the first
I've heard of it. Johnny Moon wouldn't last a second
in the street fight. He's soft, and the.

Speaker 18 (01:38:27):
East Side has typically won Oakley down by the River,
Down by the River, Mount Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
I Knowed Biles would have won.

Speaker 18 (01:38:37):
Hell, yeah, everybody knows that. I can't believe you don't
know about that. Don't get in there, man, You're gonna
get your ass kicked. I don't care how big you
are in that listen.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
I know my limitations in a boxing ring is one
of them.

Speaker 18 (01:38:53):
Yeah, no matter how big.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
You are, boxing ring, octagon, wrestling, Matt, I'm good all
the way around.

Speaker 18 (01:39:00):
Got you, Okay, here's the red stuff. Do you think
it appears to me that mister Abbott is doing what
he did last year, running out of gas this time
of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know if that was the
case last night though, because I mean, he if you
look at that Philadelphia offense, I mean that is how
a championship offense is built, from from one to nine
in the order, and last night, you know, through seven
and two thirds, no one's on base and it's won nothing.
I just I do think I think they kept him

(01:39:33):
in one bat or too long. I I do think that,
but I don't think when when you were that deep
into the game he threw one hundred and four pitches.
I don't think he's run out of gas. I just
think it's a I think he ran out against a
really good offense.

Speaker 18 (01:39:47):
He might need to get rid of that little belly
he's got, just just like Luca don Child got really
his belly. Do you believe that he lost thirty pounds.
I don't believe.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Luca looks incredible.

Speaker 18 (01:39:58):
I don't know how you in a couple of months,
we're doing something bad to you. So okay, So we
got two back to back lefties coming Rangers Suarez sub
three r throughout the sub three point o era, and
then we got Christophersanez sub sub sub Yeah, uh u
a and uh against Singer. We might have a shot

(01:40:23):
against against Hunter if he's on his stuff, but it's
not a good I mean we're hitting two twenty against
left handers.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Yeah, and they did make the move bringing Angehar that
that hopefully, I mean, he rakes against lefties, but it
has been an issue for this team, and I think
that's why last night was so much more important because
you had your ace on the mound, you had a
one nothing lead late, you let that one get away.
And both these games now going forward are going to
be very tall, tall task for this offense.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
I feel a little bit better about about them against
lefties than I did a month ago. I don't feel
great about it, but I feel a little bit better
just because of Ander Holler.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
I'm gonna say anything would be better.

Speaker 18 (01:41:03):
Yeah, Andrew har again the aussielp Wege reincarnated. Uh but
uh see the thing I'm thinking now, you guys, the
teams like the Phillies, I don't know what's wrong with
the mess. They got to start winning games sooner or later.
I mean, they just got too many hits, too many
too much talent on that team. But maybe not. But

(01:41:24):
but what I'm afraid of now is, you know, you
can beat some of these teams in May and June
and July when they ain't got a Pennant fever in
their bellies. But when they start getting downright serious about it,
some of these teams like the Padres, the Dodgers of Phillies,
and that's the exception. I guess I'm Milwaukee. But what

(01:41:44):
do you think do you think the teams have a
little more fire in their gut when they see the
end coming.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Absolutely, I mean, without a doubt. You you understand what's
at stake, You understand what's what things are pushing to.
I think that's legitimate. But if it's just roster make up,
the Mets are super talented roster. They are in a funk.
They are eventually going to get out of the funk.
And you just wonder if the Reds wasted too many
of those games early in the year where we said, ah,
that's gonna be one that stings, or you know, the

(01:42:12):
split against Pittsburgh, or not doing it against the Braves.
There's so many you could point to getting beat by
the Nationals in a series that you wonder, you know,
did the wheels fall off because they didn't take they
didn't take care of the games they needed to before
they got to these moments.

Speaker 18 (01:42:29):
And it's impressive. They haven't been swept all year. I mean,
that's really impressive. But you know, if you lose two
outs three just to spin in your wheel.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
Normally, if you didn't get swept all year, you'd be
better than four games over five hundred.

Speaker 18 (01:42:41):
Yeah, that's what I thought, you guys, But Austin, you
said it the other day. You were still very nervous
about that series with Pittsburgh over the weekend. You were
not impressed at all.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Am I right, Yeah, you're exactly right.

Speaker 18 (01:42:55):
Yeah, all right, guys, thanks for the time.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
Thank you, Mike appreciate it. Uh, let's try to grab
one or two more of these on the race, Aint
Clair Roofing hotline is that the voice sure is what's
he got to say? Let's find out Hello the voice.

Speaker 30 (01:43:09):
Come come.

Speaker 31 (01:43:12):
I'm here to shed some light on Sugar Ray reading
down here. Did you get the video? I just said it?

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
I did. I haven't been able to watch, but Austin
Scott sent me a video. He pulled back up to
the park and took a video with the Gentleman's shadow box.

Speaker 31 (01:43:30):
He is training for amateur boxing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Okay, okay, okay, it's hot.

Speaker 31 (01:43:38):
The shirt was off, the sweat was flying.

Speaker 30 (01:43:41):
So then I get in my car and all of
a sudden, I'm getting a knock on the window. He
says hey, and then he says my son today and
he says, hey, I went to school.

Speaker 18 (01:43:54):
I'm like, oh no.

Speaker 31 (01:43:56):
And then he asked me if and then he proseded
to ask if I needed my graph so if you
need your grass cutting? The reading even Dale.

Speaker 13 (01:44:04):
Area down to the.

Speaker 30 (01:44:08):
He's looking for some work amateur boxing career.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
Well, thank you for boxing, Thank you for being boots
on the ground turning around.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
That's real journalists there, Ray reading. I love it. He'll
probably get on the reading Wikipedia page.

Speaker 31 (01:44:26):
Yeah, Sugar Ray, Sugar Ray and grass cutting.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Oh god, am, that is fantastic voice. Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 31 (01:44:37):
We will see you Saturday night at Oak.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
Yes, sir, thank you, Scott appreciated.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
That's what I'm talking about right there, boots on the
ground reporting.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
My god, I told you guys, I didn't make that up.
I saw that with my own arms. I can't wait
to break and see what this video says. He was grinding.
What's up?

Speaker 31 (01:44:55):
Mark?

Speaker 13 (01:44:57):
Hey guys today?

Speaker 28 (01:45:01):
Good Hey.

Speaker 31 (01:45:02):
Besides yourself, Tony being left off the list that I
just heard Claude hostein was those also from reading Ohio.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
And I'm not mistaken. No, there there are names excluded
on that list. I agree that it's preposterous.

Speaker 13 (01:45:21):
Yes, yes, exclude yours. Come on, come on, man.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
How are we doing. Claude was from reading Ohio. Thank you,
Marks Mark. It sounds like your plans for tonight are
going to be cleaning up that Wikipedia vast reading Ohio, vastly,
vastly changed last call on the race, Saint Claire roofing
hotline here today. What's up, Trent?

Speaker 10 (01:45:46):
Hey?

Speaker 28 (01:45:46):
Are we doing?

Speaker 18 (01:45:47):
Guys?

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
Good Man good Hey?

Speaker 28 (01:45:50):
Uh love you guys.

Speaker 17 (01:45:51):
Austin representing Vandelli here in the n B l Aviators.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
You've been down to the sack lately, the student Activity center.

Speaker 28 (01:46:01):
Ah many times, many times, ye old sack. But so
your crystal ball, how's this thing on?

Speaker 11 (01:46:13):
End with's Ray?

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
I think I think give me your opinion. I think
it gets done. I think it gets done the week
of the Cleveland game and he's on some sort of
snap count against Cleveland and then he works himself in.
I agree with Tony.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
I think we find out basically the Saturday before the game,
or maybe that Thursday night while the Eagles and Cowboys
are playing, and he eases his way into the season,
and then they lose in Week two and then the
playoffs are on the line in the final three weeks
of the season.

Speaker 28 (01:46:45):
Yeah, there we go. He has to report by which
game is it to get to get his years service.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
By week week ten, which I believe, so November ninth
or November, yeah, November nine.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
I think.

Speaker 28 (01:47:05):
Probably about what tenth game?

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Yeah, week ten Weekken Yeah, Okay, Trent, thank you man.
All right, you guys appreciate it. That is that's a
segment for the history books. Here on since he three sixty.
That was awesome. We're all over the place, love our
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Speaker 7 (01:47:26):
We've talked about this a lot. He's got what you want, Like,
who's the go to guy?

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
Gonna be the interviews, his views and your palls.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Go to guy isn't the team's leading.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
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Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
Sounds good, Ton, I have to stick around until six
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Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
Yeah, I'll see what I can do after work. That'd
be great. I'll see what I can do.

Speaker 4 (01:48:21):
I do have to give a quick birthday shout out,
by the way. Okay, it was on this date ten
years ago, FC Cincinnati were officially announced the newest USL
franchise and the franchise born on this date, twenty fifteen.
Happy tenth birthday, FC Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
How about that? Yeah, happy birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
I tried to find one of those videos, but they
didn't exist for the Happy Birthday FC FC Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
I'm still reeling from the sugar ray reading. Have you
posted the video? Not yet? Okay, I have not yet.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
I I thought it was just like he drove by
and he took a video of him no.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Car and interviewed the man, went under the pavilion and
interviewed the man. And I'll say, hands look quick? He
does they in heavy hands? I mean I would have
to consider could he put together a pass rush package
with that? Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:49:19):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Working around the defensive lineman, working around the old lineman.
Can he block? Could you add a couple of weight cages?
He add some weight to him? Sugar Ray. Ready, there's
a clip. I'll be on the Wikipedia page quicker than
I am.

Speaker 4 (01:49:35):
There's a clip out there today of BJ Hill going
up against TJ.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
Slayton.

Speaker 4 (01:49:41):
Yeah, and BJ is the defender in the case and TJ.
Slayton like clubs him. Can we maybe get TJ. Slayton
at guard? I? Uh, he looked pretty good at guard.
Not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
Yeah, I'll take anybody at this point. Okay, I will
take anybody. Let's get ourselves back on the clock here,
Let's come back. Let's uh, let's rehash everything that happened
with the Bengals today with practice, and then we'll welcome
in Moeger for quick hits, egg Man and then the
Moegar Show. All still ahead right here on the Home

(01:50:17):
of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
Welcome back to sinc E three p sixty on ESPN
fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
Now I hear something. You hear me? Now I do
hear something? Now? Okay, I didn't do any My headphones
literally just went uh completely silent. Uh oh.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
So that's never good. This maybe a shortened the chord
might be as shortened the chord. Can you hear my
voice right now? I can hear your voice right Well,
just don't move it all. I'm scared to move now.
That should be easy.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
I'm scared. These wires are are crossed a day. I'm
still reeling from a lot of wires being crossed today.
I'm reeling from the shadow boxing video that we just witnessed.
I don't even know where to go from here. Have
we covered every angle of the Bengals today?

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
Is there An got into a bit of a tiff
about it too, which we did. We don't do that
very often. It's good radio. I like it when we
do that sometimes, that's good radio. Yeah, But we heard
the shadow boxing and reading.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
We've covered, We've covered the injuries, we've covered the rifts
covered the Bengals. We've covered where this team needs to
get between now and the Washington game. We've talked about
where the Reds are going to this point. There was
a story and I I can't believe that this would
be true in today's world. Have you seen this story

(01:51:59):
around Oklahoma's quarterback John Matteir? Yeah, I just saw he
released the statement. So he released a statement that said,
the allegations that I once participated in sports gambling are false.
My previous Venmo descriptions did not accurately portray the transactions
in question, but were instead inside jokes between me and
my friends. I never bet on sports. There are screenshots

(01:52:23):
that came to light on Monday night that shows him
mateir allegedly twice including quote sports gambling in memos for
transactions while he was a freshman playing football at Washington State.
Now the Venmo account that he sent him to Richard

(01:52:45):
Wroten was also a teammate at Washington State. Surely someone
in today's football is smarter than that to literally put
sports gambling and then put in quotations UCLA and USC like,
surely we're not making those mistakes still.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
You would think, I mean, and also like make your
transactions private, man, Like there's already the people that have
gone and looked up other college players of the other
stuff that they've been ven mowing for, like Julian saying
in Ohio State like venmoes some girl for the Minion's movie. Yeah, careful,

(01:53:29):
we could just make everything private, like simple. I don't
understand it. I did get a Red's lineup while you
were saying that's what I was waiting on. Red Legs
go for Game one twenty one tonight of one hundred
and sixty two, first pitch six forty a great American
ballpark against the Phillies. Here's how they will line up.

(01:53:50):
Waiting off in center field TJ. Friedel, the second batter
is first baseman Spencer Steer, the third batter is shortstop
Elie Dala Cruz hitter is the DH. Miguel and Ohar
batting fifth and playing left field. Austin Hayes, Noel vi
Marte bats sixth. He plays right. Matt McClain is the

(01:54:11):
seventh batter in second basement. Jose Travino is the catcher
he bats eighth, and Santiago Espinall bats ninth and plays
third base with Brady Singer on the mound. Once more,
for Cincinnati, it's Freedol, Steer, da La, Cruz, and Ohar, Hayes, Marte, McLain, Travigno,

(01:54:31):
espinall with Singer on the mound.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
One other thought on the Cincinnati Reads, and I know
he's been struggling much of the year. The at bats
I watched from Matt McLain last night were almost non competitive.
I mean he had the same at bat as first
two bats where he grounded out as weak as you
can to third base yep, and then a week pop
up to the infield. I just I can't understand how

(01:54:56):
he went from such a promising start to where he's
at now.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
Yeah, and you know, maybe there is something to the
idea of it taking a long time after a shoulder injury,
But how they would we say things are different if
I talked about Ellie daily Cruz and the complete lack
of power and my belief that that has a lot
to do with the hitting coach and the philosophy, organizational

(01:55:25):
philosophy that the organ that they are putting on the players.
Could that same thing be true with Matt McLean Could
he be suffering in a negative way because they're trying
to change or tinker things about him in his swing.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
I don't know. Yeah, I mean there has to be
something to explain it, because among all the young players,
I thought he was the most polished. I thought he
had made the adjustments. I thought he just looked sharp.

Speaker 4 (01:55:53):
They just have a hard time understanding why the organization
insists on not being a power hitting team. Yeah, I
don't know how to explain.

Speaker 3 (01:56:03):
That that's baffling in a hit or friendly ballpark, doesn't
make sense. Let's take our final break here. When we
come back, we have Moager to join us for quick
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Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
Was looking for most Ready to go. It's the Moweger Show,
part of our ongoing training camp coverage. Thanks to our
friends at AE doorn windowhere they sell the best and
service the rest. Mo I would just like to start
off by asking because with so much happening, what avenues
are you looking to unpack here from a Bengal standpoint
for the next three hours.

Speaker 7 (01:57:11):
First of all, I did not forget that I have
a show today. Oh, I did not forget to come
to work. I didn't forget that I had obligations that
I had made. And so I came to do the
show today because I didn't forget. Because once it's on
my calendar, once it's on my schedule, Yeah, once.

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
It's been agreed upon, that's what happens. I remember to
show up, Yeah, and show out and show out. What
are you going to be doing today?

Speaker 7 (01:57:37):
Well, there is a member of the media here in
the tri State who I believe needs to change jobs
and be hired by the Cincinnati Reds. And I will
tell you who that media member is. OK, this person
needs to give up what they're doing right now and
go to work for the Reds, perhaps before tonight first pitch.

(01:58:01):
I will tell you who that is. Coming up in
the four o'clock hour. Austin and I were just talking
about this, the Kyle Schwarber conversation. I'll tell you what's
frustrating about it. In the five o'clock hour. Paul Danner
Junior is gonna be with us. Oh, I don't think
he's gonna forget love Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:58:15):
Was he at practice today, he was allowed to go
to practice. He was there.

Speaker 7 (01:58:21):
I don't think he'll forget. Yeah, I won't forget to
have Paul in studio. Sure, we won't forget to talk
about the Bengals in the three o'clock hour. Plus we
have you live training camp reports three forty five, forty
five and if you please, don't forget to do your
training camp reports. And I'm not gonna forget to talk
about last night's game, the Andrew Abbott decision, and why

(01:58:43):
Tito Francona is being forced to manage with one hand
tied behind his back.

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
Do you think that there's something that happens inside the
bubble that when they go in there, they're like, we're
finally here, Tony and Moe won't be able to see
what we're doing.

Speaker 7 (01:58:54):
I think if the Bengals win the Super Bowl this year,
what they will when they're you know, getting the trophy
presented to the ESPN has the game this year, Fox's Fox,
So Terry Bradshaw hands the trophy from the Commissioner to
Zach Taylor. Zach will say, we got in the most
important work when we got away from those rascals Tony

(01:59:15):
and Moe and were able to practice indoors.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
With no other distractions.

Speaker 7 (01:59:20):
What secrets do you think they're keeping in there that
they feel like you're Jay Morrison's and your Paul Danner
Junior is up keep that we're going to share with
the rest of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
Perhaps Paul would know that today. Maybe we were asked
today Michael Jordan, Mike Tyson, who was more dominant in
their prime? Mike Tyson without a doubt. It's a one
on one sport. Yeah, with Mike Tyson.

Speaker 7 (01:59:44):
I am you know I think you and I told
we watched the Tyson Jake Paul Think disaster together because it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
Was the bar was great because they rolled out the
red carpet for us. It was in Des Moines, Iowa.

Speaker 7 (01:59:56):
One of the top five bars I've ever been, Yes,
one of the top five bars I've But I said
to you, like this brings back memories of me being
ten eleven years old, where like pay per views kind
of going away now, but like you would beg your
buddy to ask his dad to get the pay per
view and then you know, you'd go and watch Mike
Tyson beat a dude in ninety seconds. And that was

(02:00:18):
the first time in my life we're watching something on
TV that was real, like terrified me where it's like
I can't imagine what it's like. Like his era of
dominance was brief, but it was something. It was something
we had to sit through.

Speaker 3 (02:00:31):
What that fight was, well, we had to sit to
the Jake Paul that was that was bad, That was
a mess. That was night itself was great.

Speaker 7 (02:00:38):
The night itself was awesome. That I didn't self for
you and I was a blast in Des Moines, Iowa.

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
Yeah, who would have thought, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:00:44):
Mike Tyson did not forget to show up to that fight.
He did show either did the other guy. I'd wonder
if he should have shown up, but he did show up.
Probably got a nice pay day from it. If you
don't have to wear underwear in that one part he did.
It was a little bit of a hectic morning. I'll
let the audience in for us because of the adjustment
to our schedule. But it's always nice when somebody brightens
your mood by giving you four UDF Cincinnati Reds Cops. Oh,

(02:01:07):
so I just wanted to point that out.

Speaker 3 (02:01:08):
Wow, who's on the Cops?

Speaker 7 (02:01:10):
Eat Rose, Dais Concepcion, Alexis Dias, Alexis dis might be
on one of them, Tom Hume, I think.

Speaker 3 (02:01:18):
I don't know. Is Elmer descends on one. I think
he is.

Speaker 8 (02:01:26):
I think.

Speaker 3 (02:01:27):
Peres well the between Cincinnati and Louisville. She's going by.
Now when you get the CNL pres shoot, I need
to get a Hunter Green split jersey, half bats half around.
We're gonna talk about Hunter Green as well. Hunter Green, Like,
I don't know how to do these last five minutes,
if they.

Speaker 7 (02:01:47):
If they chart stats in like simulated games and rehab assignments,
Hunter Green, Hunter Green might get to Cooperstown. Jason Williams
sort of calling about Hunter Green, and I wanted to
disagree with it because I'm a huge Hunter Green fan,
but I can't. Like I wanted to, I wanted to
get Jason Williams on the show to scream at him, which,
by the way, every time I like tell him he's
wrong about something, he well, you're right. So I was

(02:02:09):
hoping to do that with the Hunter Green column, but
I actually read it and I'm like damn. Jason's right
about it's time for Hunter Green, not so much to
just contribute to this team, but it's and I people
make it about the money, and they shouldn't because he
is one of the best bargains in all of baseball.
But it sort of is time now with the team
in a playoff race. Remember, Hunter really didn't help the
Reds down the stretch two years ago. It's time for

(02:02:32):
their their biggest current investment and one of the faces
of this franchise to help this team get over the hump. Look,
they're not gonna start hitting all of a sudden, but
this is a bad offensive team, so you'll have these
like occasional outbursts. Threads are like a four year old
who throws temper tantrums, where it's like fourteen run explosion here,

(02:02:52):
eleven run explosion here. But for the most part they
score two runs, three runs. It's up to the starting
pitching gets up to the defense, both of which were
awesome last night. Hotter Green's a starting pitcher, he said,
a defense. The defense is it gonna be? Well, Gavin
Lux kicking around a ball looking like Adam Dunn out
there in left field, but you had to Kim Brian
Hayes played third base the Lli Dela Cruz ball where

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he charges.

Speaker 3 (02:03:16):
And then made a nice play on a short ground ball.

Speaker 7 (02:03:18):
And then Noelve Marte throwing out Brice Harper by like
five feet was pretty cool. But they need the starting
pitching to what do you always say? Rising tide lifts
all boats. Sure they need Hodter Green to be a
part of the rising tide. He's supposed to start tomorrow.
Hopefully he doesn't forget.

Speaker 3 (02:03:35):
Yeah, you think train'll forget. There were people that thought
Snoop Dogg forgot last night. He was like an hour late.

Speaker 7 (02:03:41):
Is there anybody who knows anything about Snoop Dogg who
thought he would be their hours early?

Speaker 3 (02:03:45):
Oh man, he's five minutes early. Let's get this thing started.

Speaker 7 (02:03:48):
Fortunately Snoop Dogg didn't forget his obligation to perform last night.

Speaker 4 (02:03:55):
After the game, I think somebody forgot to turn some
of the speakers on because nobody could hear him.

Speaker 3 (02:04:00):
So there were sound issues with the a Snoop Dogg
show last night. Ye said, I don't know, do you
think there's any truth to this John Matteer story sending
Venmo to his other friend and and labeled as sports
betting and then went on like sports betting and then
put like in quotations ucla USC.

Speaker 7 (02:04:17):
This is the this is I said this years ago, Austin,
don't get mad about Jim Tressel when he was talking
about the tattoos.

Speaker 3 (02:04:23):
He's either stupid or he's a liar.

Speaker 7 (02:04:25):
Yeah, this Oklahoma quarterback is either really stupid or he's
a liar.

Speaker 3 (02:04:28):
I mean I don't even keep most of my venmost public.
I mean, you have to like put in something so
I'll always yeah, but you can also make it private
so no one else can see what you're sending.

Speaker 7 (02:04:38):
Is there anybody more weird than someone who's scrolling through Venmo? Thought,
I understand, like scrolling through Facebook. Let's see what people
are posting about. Let's see what people are tweeting about.
Who is the weirdo who goes on ven Who's going
back to that freshman year for a guy? Who's the weirdo?
That's the biggest question I have. Yeah, who's the weirdo
going to Venmo to check out everybody's transaction?

Speaker 3 (02:05:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:05:01):
Is he here that Austin sent money to a woman
named Gail for ice cream that was really ice cream?

Speaker 3 (02:05:08):
Like, what kind of loser are you? If you're anyway?

Speaker 7 (02:05:12):
This guy is either stupid or he's a liar, And
I'm not sure which one, but neither are necessarily forgivable.

Speaker 3 (02:05:17):
Neither are great. What do you want to talk about
in our training camp reports today? Because I've exhausted everything
I've got today? What are we gonna do in the
Training camp show tomorrow?

Speaker 7 (02:05:27):
Hopefully watch practice actually gonna be there, We're gonna be
allowed in rain forecasted the Bengal's gonna forget again that
we're supposed to be a training camp.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
It's also gonna be hot tomorrow. How do you forget
we're doing a training camp show? How they practice inside? Today? Hot?
It's gonna be hot tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (02:05:41):
Why how come the writers can go and report from practice?
They're hiding something from us broadcast from practice or hiding something?
What can Tom Pella Sero do an NFL network show
take up as much room as we do. Forgot in
our folding table.

Speaker 3 (02:05:58):
Forgot, and they'll get at me for saying it public.
They forgot. We're coming call it what it is, dude.
I knew when I pulled up today and I saw
Mike with his wagon outside the gate.

Speaker 7 (02:06:09):
I probably weren't going to be. I was getting my
daughter in the car to take her to daycare. Yeah,
at ten minutes till nine o'clock, and my phone rings
in my pocket and I'm like, what could this be?

Speaker 3 (02:06:22):
Sure?

Speaker 7 (02:06:23):
And I see Mike Mills, who is our very hard working,
is the best, and I'm like, this ain't good. No,
he's not calling to see if I want a cup
of coffee.

Speaker 3 (02:06:33):
While he Do you need anything? Sorry? We forgot you're coming? Sorry?
What's next? If I remember? Is going to join him?
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