Cincy 360 w/ Tony Pike & Austin Elmore -- 8/13/25

Tony and Austin talk about the Bengals struggles at Training Camp, take your calls and TalkBacks, preview the return of Hunter Greene, check in with Mo Egger, and more on ESPN 1530!

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Speaker 3 (00:29):
What's going on? Welcome in since he three sixty part
of our ongoing Bengals training camp coverage. We're live here
as practice is just wrapping up on the field right
here in front of us. Moagar is still with me,
Our guy Mike Mills is down here. Austin's with us
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(00:51):
put these broadcast on, and for all of his support
of the Cincinnati Bengals all these many years. It feels
like we have more to talk about now, Mo than
when practice started. A lot right, Yeah, and Austin's had
a chance to uh to to kind of follow along
with the play by play Austin, I'll start.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
With you, which, by the way, the play by play
was excellent.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Play by play. I mean essentially Austin had mentioned like
this is essentially like a preseason game that he was
listening to.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
If I were I would I would listen. I wouldn't
be nervous, but I would listen to this to maybe
pick up some.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Pointers for the season. If anyone did listen to the
last hour of what we were doing down here, I
don't think many folks would be extremely confident in the
offensive line today. And this was a day that was
billed as you had Paul Danner Junior on yesterday on
your show, MO. Today was kind of build as the
day they were gonna get a lot of work done,

(01:45):
a lot of team focus, and from there you kind
of start slowing down and getting more into the season mode.
I imagine Friday is not going to be very intense.
They're gonna get ready to travel for the Monday night
game against Washington. Austin, as you're hearing this along the way,
for you, is this more awesome to hear the defense
is doing this, or concerning with what you're hearing from

(02:07):
the offensive line, I.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
Think you always start with concern on the offensive line,
just because it's been a concern for a long time,
and because without Joe Burrow, none of this really matters.
So I'm worried about that. I want to know what's
going on with Orlando Brown Junior, who is a very
big both figuratively and literally, piece of this puzzle for
the Bengals offensive line. Wasn't there today. Cody Ford, who

(02:30):
they've moved back to maybe the swing tackle because he
performed so poorly at guard, is getting the number one
reps he's going up against, not Miles Murphy who's also hurt,
and yet they continue to give up pressures. And like
you know, from my perspective, I follow along with the
Bengals beat writers who are there every day and then
listening to you guys, and it seemed to be two

(02:52):
different things. Like they they didn't mention the people that
tweet there and are there every day, didn't really mention
a lot of the pre snot penalties, the false starts,
didn't mention the operational errors that the Bengals offense seem
to be having. So I think it's interesting that you
guys picked up on that. Is it just are they
out of sync. Are they out of rhythm? Is it

(03:13):
because some guys are moving up to the second team
and some are moving down to the third team and
you're adjusting to that. I don't know what it is,
but overall, I don't know how you feel happy about
the Bengals after what you guys described earlier today.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't think like to me, I'm not sitting here
today concerned that against Cleveland the offense is going to
struggle because I still think they have that top end.
But it raises the alarm of the one thing that
we've talked about that derails all of this, and we
unfortunately saw it today when Joe Burrow was on his back.
You never want Joe Burrow on his back in a game.

(03:47):
You certainly don't want it in practice. But when there
is free reign to the quarterback as much as we
saw today, you start to wonder are they completely secure
in where they're at. We talked about this, Cordell Vulson's
running with the twos. He was awful last year, He's
been bad at camp. Is that the contingency plan of

(04:07):
things don't work out with the ones? Is it going
back to Cordell molson Man because That's always been my
question is what next? What if this doesn't work? And
I don't know if they have the answer to that.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
It's football, it's when, right when, when you need when,
when you need to go to your backups? Who do
you got Cordel Volson? The Orlando Brown thing, I'm curious.
Maybe it's one day and he's back here, you know,
the next time they practice, and it's no big deal.
I think, aside from Joe Burrow himself, there's not a
more irreplaceable member of this football team. I know there's

(04:41):
folks who hear that are gonna go what about you
know Jamar and t. First of all, Te's hurt all
the time, right and they have a lot of practice
and then playing without him. If Jamar were to go down,
which obviously you don't want to have happened, they still
have Joe Burrow throwing the balls to the guys who
were left over.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
One of them is t Higgins. If not Orlando Brown,
then what.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
But the issue becomes in the the QB tier article
that we have discussed on since he three to sixteen.
Discussed with you yesterday in the article, Austin and correct
me if I'm wrong there's a defensive coach or a
defensive coordinator in that that says the only way to
get and affect this offense is by dropping seven and
rushing for Well, if that is the recipe for success,

(05:19):
guess who we didn't talk about today outside of one catch,
Jamar Chase. Guess who we didn't talk about, t Higgins.
If you want to limit what the triple Crown winner
and now T Higgins can do to you, then you
apply the pressure that the defense was able to apply today.
And it wasn't like they were sending a lot of
exotics blitzes. Now they pressured a little bit more than

(05:40):
what we've seen at this point, but by all accounts,
that is more base defense out there that is getting
to Joe Burrow with four rushers, and that is extremely alarming.
As we sit here on August thirteenth, this isn't the
first or second day of camp. This is now the
pinnacle of camp, where the camp part ends and you
start to focus on the oonents that are coming up.

(06:01):
That just leaves an extremely sour taste in the mountain.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
Let me make space for this possibility. We never know
exactly what they are working on. Could you tell outside
of the personnel being a little bit different, anything specific
that the offense was trying to work on that maybe
we haven't seen as much to this point in camp.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I would have argued with that, but nothing today was scripted.
So nothing was hey, this is a first down, because
this is all first down on this series. This is
third and short, this is third and medium. Everything they
did today in the seven or eight drives that the
offense got was unscripted. So that tells me that it's
not all let's focus on this. You're reacting to what

(06:43):
happens to play before. They had to react today Austin
six or seven different times for pre snap penalties, false starts,
or delay of games. With both the ones and the twos,
they mirrored drives in a sense that they got minimal
yards on first down, false start, delay a game all
of a sudden, it's second thirteen, which goes to third
and seven, and then there's a pressure that we're talking about.

(07:06):
So if it wasn't unscripted, I would say yes, because
we heard Joe Burrow in camp earlier talk about you know,
seven on seven, I might try some different stuff unscripted.
You want to move the ball, you want to score touchdowns.
They did that once on the first drive with a
bunch of quick passes and checkdowns. They weren't able to
do it again. They only picked up two first downs

(07:26):
as a first and second offense combined just wasn't good
enough offensively.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
It looked like the Bengals have.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Looked in the first game of the regular season the
last couple of years.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
M h.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
I mean it looked disjointed. It looks sloppy.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
It looked ill prepared, It looked not well coached, It
looked not cohesive. It looked like they were doing all
of the things you want to iron out during the preseason.
Maybe they do again. The offense against Philadelphia look damn good.
And so if you want to put more stock into
how they played in a game again, it's another opponent.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
That's fine. I'm with you there.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
All I could do is react to what I watched today,
And what I watched today looked a lot like the
game against Cleveland to open the season two years ago. Yeah,
did you know where you just were like, what are
they doing well? Why is this so disjointed? Why can't
they move the ball at all? Why is this so clunky?
That's not solely a reflection.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Of Joe Burrow.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
It's not primarily a reflection of Joe Burrow. It's a
reflection of the offense. Again, maybe today is a one off.
Maybe the defense just had a really good day today.
Maybe they see the defense win. We've seen the defense win,
and then we saw the Philly games, and then, like
I always use the term benefit of the doubt, I'm
giving the Bengals offensive line the benefit of the doubt.
Why so when you see them have a bad day,

(08:45):
it just feels like more of the same.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Well, watching the clips that I've watched, and I understand
that the clips do not tell the whole story. I've
seen the Bengals defense doing a lot of stunts. We
talked earlier this week about coming out of the Philly game,
you're relying a lot on guys to win on one
on ones, and maybe what you learned was there's not
a lot of guys on this team that can win
one on ones, which obviously increases the value of Trey Hendrickson,

(09:10):
who's proven to be consistently able to win one on ones.
But so far, what I've seen in all these clips
from today is the Bengals defensive line running a lot
of stunts. Running a lot of stunts helps you when
you don't have guys that can win one on ones.
If there's one thing the Bengals offensive line has stunk
against for the last three years, it's stunts that always

(09:30):
seems to give them issues. And so maybe they're seeing
some stuff that they haven't seen so far today. So
far throughout camp, I don't know. I doubt it. I mean,
the Philly defense ran a couple of stunts and they
were able to get a little bit of pressure on
Joe Burrow. So I also wonder too about the pre
snap thing. If with the officials there today, Zach Taylor

(09:51):
says to the officials, I want you to be ruthless, like,
don't give us any leeway. Really call it beat ticky
tacky with it. I don't know. I mean, I know
those conversation officials.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
But the false starts are just blatant. Sure, there were times,
and no you can allude to they were. They just
seemed slow out of the huddle. There didn't seem to
be much urgency, and then there were times when when
they're coming up to try to change a player of protection.
We saw this with des Ritter just looked lost, looked

(10:22):
like he had no answer, Like he knew that he
had to get out of what they were in, but
not what he had to get in, but didn't have
the answer to what they needed to get into.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
Which that makes sense for Dez.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yes, I think that that makes sense for Dez. But
the lack of urgency when you see the first team
offense kind of you know, wandering up to the line
and changing different things, you don't want to see that
if if you're Zach Taylor, especially because this is more
of a veteran group.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
Now are we in the dog days of training camp?

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
This is the dog days, you know. But but it was.
It was built as intensity, it was built as urgency
because this was supposed to be the last day of
really really hard work against each other before you start
to go scout team stuff, before you start to go
game plan specific work.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
I did see that though from the defense, and I
don't want to I don't want to diminish that.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Sure, that unit looked disruptive, yep.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
That unit covered well downfield, That unit was quick to
the ball, that unit was applying pressure to the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
That unit you wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Look at them and the way they practice it, ay
and go boy dominant defense. But if one of your
big reservations about the Bengals this year is, boy, they
can't get worked the way they did defensively last year,
and then you watched today, you would go, all right,
this unit has a chance to be better. Now Again,
maybe you take it with a grain of salt, because
the Bengals had all sorts of procedural issues and how

(11:43):
they looked and didn't block, and the Bengals offensive line stinks,
and but that unit upfront and downfield looked.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Pretty good today.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
When you're getting your butt kicked on the offensive line,
it makes it a lot more common for you to
have a false start or some sort of pre snat
pin because you're really trying not to continue that trend.
Let me ask you this, though talked a lot about
the trenches, how did the safety position look? Still, know,
Geno Stone, how did the safety position look?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Honestly, honestly, I didn't notice it because Burrow couldn't evaluate
down the field very long. I mean that that was
the thing for me, you know, it was drop back
eyes down the field and then immediately having to resort
to a pocket movement checked down or throwing the ball up.
Marco Wilson, we said his name a couple times to

(12:31):
the coverage. Yeah, Cam Taylor Britt had really good coverage
on a completion on the back shoulder to Jamar Chase.
I mean, if you're judging the safeties by big play capabilities,
there was no ball completed over ten yards today.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
Yeah, I didn't notice them, but they weren't tested so correct.
It's it's not a statement about how good they were today.
They weren't put in a position to make a play,
right Like. I mean, to a degree, you kind of
feel like, boy, you'd like to see one of those
guys today against this offense on the big, heavy workload day,
do something. Because of the way every play went down,
Bengal safeties weren't tested at all, so you didn't notice

(13:06):
any glaring mistakes, but they really didn't have a chance
to make a play in coverage. That said, you mentioned
Marco Wilson, you talked about Cam Taylor Britt.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
The coverage was pretty good today.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
Yeah, right, I mean on on like all world wide receivers,
the coverage was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Again, this is unfortunately, this is the answer key if
you want any hope and slowing down this team drop
seven rush for that's it, like there's no other secret sauce.
You have to be able to pressure with four and
if you do, you can cause things from this offense
like we saw today. Sure, if you can't, then you're

(13:41):
going to see triple crown winner Jamar Chase T. Higgins
and company dominate unfortunately today, and it's harder without tackling.
There was nothing available in the running game, nothing, no,
which then led to second and long, which leads to
third and long. The talking point will be about blocking

(14:01):
and pass blocking. If you as an offensive line can't
generate a push and gaps when you're five verse four,
then you have a serious issue. And today anytime they
ran the ball, they were tagged off immediately from the
defensive line party in the backfield.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Party in the backfield. You would watch.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
You would watch today's offensive line and be very skeptical
that it could be significantly better than last year. And
last year was one of the worst in the NFL
according to most metrics. That's you can get mad at
us for saying it. I just I could tell you
what I watched today. When I watched today was an
offensive line that got worked and that's.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
It.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Bengals wide receivers were covered today and we still saw
Jamar Chase make a play. Yep, we still saw t
Higgins score a touchdown. Those guys are gonna win more
often than not. Those guys deserve every bit of the
benefit of the doubt. An offensive line that has some
of those dudes we saw there today does not. Sorry now,
Scott Peters strike technique may be awesome, does not. Yeah,

(15:03):
So until that gets rectified consistently, you cannot help but
watch a practice like today and be fearful of what
may happen when the game start based on what you watch.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah. Now, I'm glad they have time between now in
Game one against Cleveland, But if you were leaving today
and this was your last impression of where this offense was,
you wouldn't feel confident with where things are at. We
talked about who was out here, We've talked about a
couple of players that weren't out here. When we get back,
let's talk about a player that is absent from practice

(15:33):
right now. But I think you pose an interesting question
earlier as it relates to Jermaine Burton. We'll do that
when we get back. We're here at Bengals training camp.
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Speaker 8 (15:51):
As far as back to the dish, there's the cutter,
there's the ball down the left field line that's gonna
lamp fair and it gets by Keffler.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
Rounding third, heading on to the house.

Speaker 8 (16:01):
Here comes Fradle and the Reds will point two on
a two out double by Spencer Steer. I'll tell you what.
Steer comes up with some phenomenal hits in situations. It
looks like you better punt and he comes up with
a double.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
About that, it's the cowboy boy Big Ryan Rinco fane Win.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Last night saw a guy wearing a Jeff Brantley jersey
at the ballpark last night.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Really nice?

Speaker 6 (16:27):
Was it Jeff Brantley? It was not Jeff Branley.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
We saw today Emilio Pagan, Brent Suter, Matt McClean.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
I told Emelio Opegan how much Austin hates him today.
One of the best relief of you.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
I was wondering where you were doing over there.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
Yeah, just said, hey, man, you'd have been better off
seeing that to Graham Ashcraft. I actually like Amelio, I
wouldn't walk across the street to see Graham Ashcraft.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
We are. We're here at Bengals training camp at since
he three sixty. There's nothing going on at camp at
the moment. I'll be here till three.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (16:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
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a a little bit as well. But we discussed this
early on and it's something that we have not discussed

(17:16):
at all, I think during training camp because we've been
talking very highly of him. But Jermaine Burton is not
out here practicing again. He's recovering from an injury. Yes
he is injured, but he's recovering from the injury.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Can I can I just briefly talk about the injury. Yes,
he was hurt in the game, on Thursday. Yeah, he
did practice on Saturday, correct.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah. That that again, to me, raised some questions, but
you know, he took to his own social media. He
you know, he controlled the narrative whatever. Good. He's probably
the number four or five wide receiver and he's a
special teams guy. Charlie Jones is probably the four or

(17:57):
five receiver and he's been a proven special teams guy. Austin,
is there any way with how well we've talked about
him performing during training camp that there isn't an active
roster spot for Jermaine Burton. No, So you think regardless
he makes this team?

Speaker 5 (18:15):
I think so, yeah, Yeah, I don't know who takes
the spot from him.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
I think it's yeah that and I think they still
believe there's way too much upside to punt on him
right now.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Now, what if.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Someone between now and the end of Monday night just
burst through the door?

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Perhaps?

Speaker 5 (18:33):
I mean it's weird because at the end of the
season it felt like Jermaine Burton's place with the Bengals
was in flux, in flux, in tenuous right, didn't have
a very solid grasp and a roster spot, so he
needed to do everything right during the offseason. By all accounts,
he did. Yeah, all Right, needs to have a good camp,

(18:56):
had a good camp, needs to show something in games,
had a decent return.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
But even in the game, I was surprised at how
he was used. I thought he would be in there.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
More so, if he's hurt and he can't play against Washington,
he only has one more chance to do something in
a game. And my guess is that's gonna come against
the same caliber of players because they're backups against Indy
that he was having success against last year.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
So will he truly have.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
Done enough to have earned the spot on the roster
in a place in the offense that eight months ago
we thought he didn't have.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
A very firm grasp on, right, Those are fair questions, Like.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
A months ago, you never say, well, he's guaranteed a
spot just by because of his name, right, But then
I come back to like, if who's gonna take the spot? Right?

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Has anybody in camp?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
That's the thing? If someone else had been pushing right, maybe,
But we're not talking about anyone really.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
None of those other guys is a former third round pick.
None of those other guys is somebody that the team
thought highly enough of to ignore a lot of character
questions or maturity questions and take with a third round pick.
I would be really surprised if he wasn't a part
of the team. I think it will be interesting though,
if he is a part of the team, to see
what role he.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Has in the offense.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
I don't know who gets the roster spot, but I
do feel like if you're just doing pecking order, Charlie
Jones is healthy right now, Charlie Jones has had.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
A good camp.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
He's the fifth wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Charlie Jones, I think is a little bit more reliable.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
He's he's fifth on the depth chart at wide receiver.
I would say today Chase Higgins, Yoshi Charlie Jones, and
he's behind Charlie Jones as a special teamer. Yeah. I
think for me though, if he wasn't a third rounder,
if he was a sixth round draft pick, would that
conversation would be different.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
I'm not sure he would have been here to begin with.
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
I think they would have moved on from him to
me Austin Like they obviously have two legit all world
guys at top of the depth chart, right Chase and
Higgins and then there's a drop off. Now kind of
in the middle is Mi Kasiki because he's a tight end,
but he's you know, he lines up his wide receiver
more often than not. But there's there's a and there
would be a drop off between those two guys and

(21:02):
anybody else. But it feels like to drop off from
Chase and Higgins to everybody else is really really shape.
What you were hoping for is to kind of peg
there right in the middle Jermaine Burton, yep, in the
absence of doing that whole boy, then the drop off
is really steep. Yeah, you know is and again, like
one of them we did X factors weeks ago, an
X factor for me is t Higgins health because he
never gets through a full season.

Speaker 7 (21:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
I would almost say that with about Charlie Jones too fair, fair,
because like, I still think there's a lot of untapped
potential there and like he might be the guy who's like,
if he continues to stay healthy over the course of camp,
it's like, all right, this can be the guy who
elevates to that position that Burton hasn't.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Right, So then if if Higgins has to miss games again,
which happens on a frequent basis. The hope when they
took Jermaine Burton was well, at the very least he
can slide into T Higgins. Sure has he done enough
if he can't play in preseason games moving forward to
have earned that trust and that if it's not Jermaine Burton,
is it Andre Yoshavas?

Speaker 6 (22:02):
You like Andrea, I would think it is him.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
But he's made flashes but didn't get a target in
the game. Yeah, like great red zone guy. Fine, Yes,
you know what he is at this point, and he's fine.
There's a place on the team for him. If the
Bengals have a good year, Andrey Yoshavas will have contributed
to that.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
There's no question.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
I just.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
I wonder, I wonder if there was somebody.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Else who had had this sort of camp to this
point that just wowed you what that would do for
the Jermaine Burton conversation be fascinating.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
All those guys are kind of the same. I do
think like the skill set though of Yosi Vash and
how he's gotten better more closely matches that of Higgins.
I think Burrow said it a couple of weeks ago.
He's gotten so much better at those fifty to fifty
balls to where Joe has not been afraid to throw
a few of those his way. So I do think
you know, in that particular scenario, it would be Yoshavas

(22:56):
and it maybe not be as big of a adjustment as
we might think. But I mean, obviously Higgins is a
different level.

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Speaker 6 (23:28):
Setting the Bengals over under win total at ten and
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Speaker 3 (23:35):
With what you've seen?

Speaker 4 (23:40):
My take all along has been there going to be
an eleven and sixteen? Yeah, so that's over.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Nothing you've seen down here would would change that?

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Can I forget that I watched today?

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (23:52):
I think the eleven I think I think they're an
eleven win team. It's interesting you have some fancy you
say that they're like really only eleven, Yeah, eleven's gonna
get into the postseason. I think there are two wins
better than last year.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
I think they got such a great opportunity to start
three to oh because of this schedule. Jordan Addison I
think is a big deal being out from Minnesota. I
just get him early.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
With McCarthy, I can I cannot imagine how we're all
gonna feel at five o'clock on Sunday, September the seventh,
if they go to Cleveland and Leah Clunker.

Speaker 6 (24:23):
I think they start one and two.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Oh, and then who's the fourth game on the road
at Denver.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, if they're one and two, then like then it's
a regardless of how the rest of the season unfolds.
Then it's another eight months of how they have idea
in the playing the standards in the preseason, should they
have what should they do?

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Should they have not have training camp? Like I mean, uh, I.

Speaker 10 (24:51):
Just I.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
I believe they'll start two and oh and then let
me see what sort of shape the Minnesota Vikings are in.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
I don't know how you assume victory week one after
after what we watched last year, and I know Burrow
is not coming off for a surgery. They're gonna They're
favored in the game. They should be favored in the game.
I don't know how you assume victory week one.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be fascinating.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
And if they start zero and two, then it's gonna
catch up to him again. But I think they.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
I will believe that the defense can be slightly better,
and I think they're just naturally due to do better
in some of those fifty to fifty games. Yeah, I
think they'll win eleven games. But but like Austin, where.

Speaker 6 (25:37):
You at, I'm under. I got them at ten, which
is probably.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Gonna the end of the postseason.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'm still over.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
But it's it really just depends what they do in
the North. If you get ten.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Twelve, yeah, but after what I'm saying, I'm going down
to eleven, say over. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
I I'll say this from a I wish it was
nine and a half.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
I feel really ten and a half is hard. It's
hard to win eleven games, man, But.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
I'll go to me. This question to me is a wager.
You know, it's what am I doing with the money
that matters to me. I would bet on Joe Burrow
getting to eleven wins.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, I just think there's too much on the line
this year for them not to get there. By the way,
before I let you go, this is our ninth practice
down here. We've not been all here for all nine
like we were supposed to. I've not in one of
the other days we've been down here been bitten like
we are getting today. I don't know if I can
being here till three o'clock right now seems like debilitating

(26:40):
with how much I'm getting bit. I don't know where
this is coming from.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
I Yeah, they're these little nets that just peck away
your legs and it doesn't feel great.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Now.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
This has not been a constant. This has not happened
yet so far during camp. No, So you have two
and a half more.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
Hours of it.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, that's why you're leaving in it.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, and then you've got three forty five, four forty
five and five forty five stellar.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
I can't wait. Good look, thanks for being here, of course,
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(28:05):
we obviously have that going on, a lot of excitement
around the ballpark. We have an update as well. Ted
Carris spoke to reporters after practice Austin. We found out
that it was in fact Shamar Stuart who hit Joe
Burrow after a throat today and actually landed on Joe Burrow.
Caris said he liked the fire, but he's got to

(28:28):
be smarter to not hit the quarterback in practice, but
also did put the blame on the offensive line, saying
they clearly have to block better. Interesting, so the rookie
Chamar Stuart.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
I saw a little bit of that last night in
Hard Knocks with the Bills, where the guy that they
call Buffalo Joe, which is kind of a scrappy linebacker,
hit a running back and he was hurt at practice
in the offensive line was letting him have it. So
you know the one thing I love about Ted Carris,
He's not going to shy away. He's gonna tell you

(28:59):
what's going on. He's a great speaker and a little
bit of insight there.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Let me ask you one question about Hard Knocks. I
saw this from Ben Baby today.

Speaker 6 (29:10):
I already replied to him, Okay.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
What did you say? Because Ben Baby said, can we
finally admit Hard Knocks has been terrible television for years
and needs to be canceled. Great access doesn't make for
good television.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
He's right that great access does not always mean great television.
But I disagree with him because you can still learn
a lot and be entertained by the content and the
access that you do have. I don't think it's right
to continue to try to look at Hard Knocks through
its original premise because training camp has changed so much.

(29:43):
There's no more cut down days, there's just one. There's
no more to a days, there's no more hitting. Like
all the stuff that made Hard Knocks and was the
original premise is basically out the door now. But you
do get to learn about players, about their families, about
their interests, about their personalities. What I like to see
is the communication style of guys like Sean McDermott and

(30:05):
Brandon Bean. What's been notable to me throughout the Bills
training camp has been the presence of the Pagola family,
how involved they are in that. And so for me,
I like to learn about that sort of stuff and
see and I understand not everybody wants to see that.
I don't learn as much about football and the x's
and o's as I have learned in the past, but

(30:25):
I'm still learning stuff and being entertained by it. Like
last night they did a montage on kJ Hamler, who
I knew who kJ Hamler was, but I didn't know
he was that funny. He was hilarious and you know,
he got this scooter to drive around that training camp
and then they were done like a week later, and
then Damar Hamlin and how he just approaches life now

(30:46):
after his near death experience, not just football but life.
And then I didn't know that the Pagola family life
was saved due to CPR. Like that sort of stuff,
to me was really good entertaining television.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
So much go back because they want what was originally captured,
for sure, and that's just never going to be that again.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
But if you even go back to some of the
early days of Hard Knocks, some of the best moments
were team meetings, were Ricky talent shows, we're all that
sort of stuff, And we haven't maybe gotten to that
point with the Bills yet, but yeah, you will remember
guys fighting for rosters and all that. The team and
the situation, the coach, that all plays a role. Yeah,

(31:27):
but that just the cutdowns and the roster stuff just
doesn't exist the way it used to because of the
different rule changes.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, and I also think that that there is an
aspect to it of you know, the Giants kind of
got bit a little bit by the access they give,
and now teams are probably a little bit more careful
with what they agreed to sign off. For sure. I
think there's that aspect too, so you don't get as
as in depth. Moe asked me a question yesterday Austin
on one of our training camp reports, and it required

(31:59):
me to think more than I had originally planned, which
is always a bad thing. But he said, if knowing
what we know now, and we're talking about Geno Stone
and the safety position, we're talking about Trey Hendrickson in
the edge position, and we're obviously talking about the offensive line,
even though I think Dylan Fairchild had a great, great
first opportunity or first preseason game, but most that as

(32:21):
we sit here today, if you can significantly upgrade one
of those three positions, and one only which one, knowing
what we know right now, are you upgrading.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
Safety? Offensive line? And what's the other one?

Speaker 3 (32:36):
D line? Ed rusher?

Speaker 6 (32:39):
I would do offensive line?

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah. I mean, as much as we know about the
unknown at safety, as much as we know about where
the D line is it needs to get pressure. I
don't know that one individual player can change that drastic
where they're at, which I think one more really upgraded
guard could change the offense drastically. I don't.

Speaker 6 (32:59):
First of all, I don't know that that exists. I
don't know that an upgraded guard is just there for
the Bengals, taking like there is a reason those other
guys are available, and while they might be minimally better
than the guys that the Bengals currently have, Okay, I'll
make space for that, but it's not like you're signing
Max Montoya out of free agency. Let's just be honest

(33:21):
about that. With the secondary and with the edge rushers,
I still feel like there is enough room to grow
and enough upside there to say, Okay, they can get
something out of those groups, even if we don't quite
see it. You guys talked about it earlier. The contingency
plans on the offensive line are not good. Cordel Vohlsen,

(33:42):
Cody Ford, Jalen Rivers, Matt Lee, Seth McLaughlan. A ton
of dudes have done a whole bunch of nothing in
the NFL. So as far as I'm concerned, that's the
most important piece. And I still have more faith in
those other position groups. And I think you know you
mentioned Ted Krriss talking to the media after practice today.
He kind of said it perfectly when talking about Joe
Burrow and how Shamar Stewart needs to be smarter, he said,

(34:05):
Joe Burrow is all of our hopes and dreams. Yeah,
and so perfectly encapsulates why the offensive line to me
is the position I would pick.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah, I can't go against it because I think it
would make the biggest impact. Like if they went and
signed Justin Simmons today. The defense, as we talked about,
with no offense, they'd be better today than they were yesterday.
But how much better? How much can one player significantly
change where this defense is? I don't know the answer

(34:36):
to that, but what I do know is the defense
won the day to day. Let's finish up the hour
with a little more on that when we come back,
the defense and their dominance and how you should react
to that. And at one o'clock we'll open up the race.
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Speaker 11 (35:02):
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Speaker 3 (35:12):
What's going on in the NFL? That's a great question.
At since E three to sixty, we're here at Bengals
training CAMPMP. Well, the practice portion is done, but we're
still here at camp watching the grounds crew take the
field right now. Great group they got out here, a
lot of intensity, a lot of urgency, way more than
what we saw from the offense today for the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Do you think there's like a friendly rivalry between them
and the Reds grounds crew? Absolutely, you would think, right.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
What they've done. I mean this, it looks like day
one of camp. Still down here. Good, They've done amazing
work with the field. We've talked today, we will continue
to talk today. It was a dominating day from the
Bengals defense today. Most of the problems on the Bengals
offensive line stem from offense or I'm sorry, most of
the offensive problems stem from the offensive line and what

(35:59):
they weren't able to accomplish today. But nonetheless, a good
showing for the Bengals defense and what was billed as
a big day at Bengals practice. That's what's happening here.
Is there anything else going on around the rest of
the NFL. I know that Jordan Love had a procedure
on his left thumb. Aaron Rodgers doesn't like the new
helmet he's got to wear.

Speaker 6 (36:20):
Rodgers actually got stepped on yesterday. Oh and they were
taking a look at his caf. There was originally some
concern obviously being older and coming off in Achilles, but
I think he just got stepped on, So he's okay.
Landon Dickerson, the Great Guard from the Eagles, he had
his surgery on his meniscus today. Eagles are hopeful that
he returns early in the season for them. Eagles are

(36:41):
actually having joint practices with the Cleveland Browns. They play
in preseason action on Saturday, and Shador Sanders suffered an
oblique injury early in the throwing drills today against the Eagles.
He was shut down for the rest of practice. That
meant that Dylan Gabriel could end up being the starter

(37:03):
against the Eagles Saturday, Sanders might sit. I know Tyler
Snoop Huntley got some reps for the Browns today in
that situation, but it seemed like from what all that
I saw, the Eagles as expected dominated that joint practice today.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Tough news from a Viking standpoint. Already without Jordan Addison
for the first couple games of the season, their wide
receiver and punt returner Rondell Moore suffered a season ending
knee injury man in a practice. That is the second
year in a row where he will miss the entire
season with a knee injury.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
Rondell Moore one of those guys that will forever send
shivers down my spine. The performance he put up against
Ohio State when he was at Purdue. They beat Ohio
State like forty nine to twenty at Purdue, and Rondell
Moore looked like Jerry Rice and Tyreek Hill combined. It
was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
I think I remember that.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
Yeah, they smoked Ohio State that night. He was dominant.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, anything else from an NFL standpoint that we have missed.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
Jerry Jones announced earlier today that he is actually good
news for Jerry, he has beaten a cancer diagnosed Okay, good,
which is really cool and glad that I shouldn't say cool,
but glad that Jerry is not, you know, dealing with
that and obviously has the resources to be able to

(38:20):
deal with it. But he said he survived a stage
four cancer battle that lasted more than a decade and
included four surgeries. Wow, so kind of a quiet battle
that Jerry has been fighting apparently since twenty ten. So man,
good news for Jerry.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
There. Week two of the preseason gets underway Friday, Titans, Falcons, Chiefs, Seahawks.
On Saturday, you get a full slate Packers, Colts, Browns, Eagles, Patriots, Vikings, Panthers, Texans, Dolphins, Lions, Niners, Raiders, Buccaneers, Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys, Jets, Giants, Chargers,
Rams and Cardinals, Broncos, Sunday Jack Saints, Bills, Bears, and

(38:59):
then Monday is your Bengals and Commander's game. And then
it is a quick turnaround for the Bengals, who will
play on Monday and then turn around and host the
Colts on Saturday for their preseason finale. I think it's
safe to say, Austin.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
That, oh oh oh, how about that, Sorry, it's been
a while.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I think it's safe to say that they're going to
have to get all their work done on side. I
don't think or on Monday. I don't think you're gonna
see starters in that third preseason game. No, I have
a turnaround.

Speaker 6 (39:32):
I wouldn't think so, unless you want to Let's say
it goes poorly against Washington. Let's say it looks like
it did today. Sure, Colts, you assume are not going
to start there, Guys, do you want to just at home,
get a one o'clock start under your belt, go through
that whole process, feel good about each unit gets an
open gets one series against the Colts backups, and maybe

(39:55):
you feel good about it going into the season. I
guess I'd make space for that, but I don't expect it.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
And I think with that you can also talk yourself into,
you know, preparing yourself as a team for quick turnarounds
in the NFL. Sure you know Sunday to Thursday, or have.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
Two Thursday games this year, so.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Maybe utilize that opportunity to work on some things that
they need to get done.

Speaker 6 (40:18):
And the Bengals, to my knowledge, have never had, or
at least in recent memory over the last fifteen to
twenty years, had a one pm preseason game. And from
what I've heard, the reason this is happening is because
they want to mimic a one o'clock start, because they
get so many of them over the course of the season.

(40:41):
This is all part of the whole like ongoing plan
of trying to start faster and switching up the offseason.

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Cincinnati Bengals. For the first time today, let's go to
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our guy Maso.

Speaker 6 (42:32):
Hi, Mayso, What's what's going on?

Speaker 7 (42:34):
Audie ton ya Hey? Can you have somebody get you
some off or something?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Buddy? This is unbelievable down here right now. I don't know,
since since the VIP tens are now gone, if they
don't even care about the flies or mosquitos anymore. This
is incredible down here.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
He told me during the break Mayso that he will
not mentally last untime.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I don't think I can mentally go till three. I'm
gonna have a break that.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
Honestly, that's the worst thing in the world, just knowing
you're getting eight up by mosquitoes or whatever. It's terrible.
So I'm right there with it. I wouldn't be able
to do it.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
No, and they're just constant.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
Yeah, good for you, man. Like I said, you can't
get that extra extra deep. I know deep keeps them off.
That's what you need. Yeah, yeah, right now there you go,
all right on to the end. Let's see what we got.
We got better NBA player Nick van Exel for Nick Anderson. Now, Audie,

(43:36):
do you know who Nick Anderson is?

Speaker 6 (43:38):
I'm googling as we speak, but I think yes, I
know who Nick van xl is. I'm looking up Nick Anderson.
I know the name.

Speaker 7 (43:45):
Okay, for those of you that don't. He played with
the Magic. He was there when they started making their
rise with Penny and Shack. But I looked at their stats.
They both were around like thirteen years. I think they
both averaged fourteen point four a game. Nick Anderson had

(44:06):
more rebound and Van Exel was more of the assist guy,
so he had more assists. But their stats are pretty
pretty darn closed.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
No, I'm looking at it right now. I mean no,
Nick Anderson leads in most of the categories, but not
by very much.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I mean want to the category.

Speaker 6 (44:26):
Exel is a better passer, uh, same points per game? Now,
Nick van Xl was an All Star? Is a better
free throw shooter, better three point shooter? By a tenth
of a percent? I'll take Nick van Xl.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
I think I think Nick could have been more as well.
But he had he he was with the Lake at Kobe,
at Shoty like. He didn't need to be everything for
that team. He was perfect for that team. And do
you know what, Nick van Xel never had austin the yips?
He never had the yips like Nick Anderson. Game one,
ninety five NBA Finals. Nick Anderson misses four consecutive free

(45:01):
throws in the final moments of Game one. It forced overtime,
they lost the game. It's the yips, which is characterized
as a psychological phenomenon the causes athlete to lose control
of skills that they once mastered. Nick van XL's not
a mental You know well what Nick is not?

Speaker 7 (45:20):
I know where you're going.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, didn't Nick van Exel.

Speaker 6 (45:23):
Wasn't he the guy who shot free throws from the
back of the key, like the back.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Of the took a step back?

Speaker 6 (45:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (45:28):
Oh yeah, he didn't.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yeh yeah, he didn't have called day Man that and
twice on sud tones.

Speaker 7 (45:37):
That's right, Zone, That's exactly what I was gonna say.
You know, my guy, Nick van Exel, never saw him
choke under pressure like Nick Anderson did and they lost
the series unbelievable. So yeah, Nick van Exel there with
a clean sweep. All right, real quick second? One who's
worse at their job? Nick crawl or Nick Vigil?

Speaker 6 (46:00):
Nick Vigil? Nick Vigil comfortably? Nick Vigil stinks.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Okay, Nick Vigil does have a moment in NFL history though,
because anytime the Lamar Jackson montage has shown, Nick Vigil
is seen being spun out of his shoes.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
He did need the league in tackles one time.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, he did. You don't even think it's close?

Speaker 6 (46:23):
Huh No, I don't. I think Nick Vigil. I think
Nick Crawls much better his job than Nick Vigil.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Is it his that? That to me is a big
compliment from you. Yeah, that's that's how I feel about
Nick Vigel. You know why Nick Vigil had so many
tackles because they threw the guy through the ball to
the guy.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
Who he was covering all the time. Yeah, because he
was usually creating some separation either you.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Were about six to ten yards down the field.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
Can either of you give me Nick Van Exell's career
high points in a.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Game, I'd say two.

Speaker 7 (46:54):
Yeah, I was gonna go.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
Thirty five, forty four.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
It's not surprising.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
Yeah, we underestimated our guy against he did.

Speaker 6 (47:03):
He did that twice. He did it as a he
did it with the Nuggets against the Clippers, and he
did it with the Nuggets against Milwaukee. And he had
forty one in games against the Lakers and Chicago and
the Charlotte Hornets.

Speaker 7 (47:24):
Man, so I should have never doubted my guy.

Speaker 6 (47:26):
He had five times in his career.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah. The only people and and no offense, because I
respect both sides. The only people that say Nick Anderson
right now listening to our Xavier.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
Fans, oh wow, that's probably just where.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
They hold a disgust for UC and they can't they
can't say anything about them, which I understand from from
fans fans perspective, But those are the only people vote
for Nick Anderson.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
Thanks Maso.

Speaker 7 (47:54):
Fair enough, All right, boys, have a good day.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
All right, buddy, what else do we have?

Speaker 6 (47:59):
H We've got Rodney, what's up hot Rod.

Speaker 13 (48:05):
Hey guys who they.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (48:08):
Yeah, I think the biggest wild card this year and
I had him on my fantasy team and I dropped
him is Evan McPherson. I think he cost us at
least two and maybe even three games last year, and
that's what the poor defense we had. So I think
if he can just get back to normal and we

(48:28):
just hold our own on the defense, I think we'll
be Okay. What do y'all think?

Speaker 3 (48:32):
I think that, Yeah, there it is. It's one fair
because you know, you as bad as the defense was
last year, there were games that were lost on the
foot of of Evan McPherson, and you come down to
the end of the season, all they needed was one
more along the way. Whether that was a bad defensive performance,
whether it was a slow start, whether it was Evan McPherson,

(48:53):
he was definitely responsible for for where this team ended up.
So yeah, I don't think you're far off with that
at all.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
The word with him is consistent. If he can consistently
be a weapon from forty to fifty, then that could
open up so many things for this season for the Bengals.
So yes, I'm right there with you.

Speaker 14 (49:11):
And I just think we may pick up a safety
when it comes to cut down day. Do we have
the money salary cap wise?

Speaker 7 (49:18):
Oh yeah, I'll h I'll let you go.

Speaker 6 (49:20):
Yeah, Rodney, thank you, Rodney. Bengals have plenty of money.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah. Money is not the issue right now for the
Cincinnati Bengals. Do we have anyone else on the race
and clar roofing hot.

Speaker 6 (49:29):
Longe, Yeah we do. But I just want to say,
to finish off that point, I think there will be
a number of moves made by the Bengals cut off
the waiver wire. They have been very big on that
in years past. They are believers in that. Whether they're right, wrong,
or a different but they love the waiver wire and

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they are certainly targeting some guys, and I would expect
offensive line and safety to be a position that they
would target. We got John in Boston.

Speaker 15 (50:01):
Good afternoon, Good you too much.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
I'm good.

Speaker 7 (50:05):
I'm hanging in there.

Speaker 15 (50:06):
I mean, Mick van Xell against Nick Anderson. The winner
should take on Nick ASASKI right, I mean that would
be part of the course. We actually had him here
for one year. He was outstanding in the late eighties,
great power at her but then he started to get
some sort of inner ear problem and it to realed
his career. But pretty good discussion there. I'm glad that
you guys caught me talking to my operating system last
week because the reason behind that, Guiltiest Tribes is I

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don't know if you guys saw the great twenty fourteen
film Her with Joaquin Phoenix where he falls in love
with his operating system played by Scarlett Johansson. That's what
I'm trying to reenact here. Falling in love with Charlott
Johnson hasn't worked yet.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
But we're really trying to do it, like the creating.

Speaker 15 (50:47):
Up with it, and I aim high. I am very
very high right with Skygoe's She's pretty awesome. But this
offensive line, guys, my lord, you know this might be
the first time in the history of the NFL where
the quarter, instead of buying his offensive lineman gifts, is
just gonna put coal in their stockings or the offensive
line when.

Speaker 7 (51:06):
Are gonna have to buy Joe Burrow Christmas presents? Because
this is a disaster of thing.

Speaker 15 (51:11):
We see what Olotski said about Joe Burrow, putting him
number one in four important categories. I think the four
most important categories for a quarterback right, one of them
being pocket presents. He's still a sacked forty eight times
last year. So I mean, imagine a quarterback with four
pocket presidents. We're talking sixty seventy quarterback sacks. And again,
I even gonna just pound this guy. I'm not in
the upt It's one more thing.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I just going to pound that.

Speaker 15 (51:33):
Scott Peters is not the right guy for this. I
mean talk about the ped principle. He was an assistant
line coach in Cleveland, got let go. The Patriots picked
him up because they loved coaches that are being paid
by other organizations. The Patriots was thirty first in offensive
line performance last year, so the Bengals get the bright
idea to go hire him while they had thirty second
in offensive line performance. And again, the Browns are paying

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him for that contract in that punch type system that
he uses. Tony, you know more about this than any
of us. At some point, don't the big boys just
have to be Mineland and Vinland justman, hit man.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
You gotta win, you got to win. But what you
made the point, Austin, I think it was last week
we talked about it. I legitimately think there were fifteen
to twenty plays last year where Joe Burrow avoided a
suresack and helped the offensive lineup. So I think those
numbers are accurate. I really do, yeah, without question.

Speaker 15 (52:24):
I mean I taught Tom Brady for twenty years, but
I've said a million times, you guys, borrow the post
the thing we have to Brady, and Brady never had
an offensive line like that. He had Dante Scarnekiah is
his offensive line coach, who's a Hall of Fame caliber
offensive line coach. They don't generally put positional coaches into
the Hall of Fame. The Patriots always had a good
to very good offensive line, so Brady was protected, and

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they always had a very good to sometimes great defense.
Borrow has neither of those things, and he's trying to,
you know, win all by himself. So as great as
he is with Tope gets some support on the offensive line,
some support on defense. But it is a bit maddening
to see the best quarterback in football to get hit
in practice for no apparent reason. But one more thing
before I before you let me go that game in Washington,

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I would not play my key starters. I would not
play Borrow ioud not play Chase. I would not play Higgins.
I would not play Chase Brown maybe some other guys.
That field is atrocious and that's where Joe got hurt
as a rookie, right when when his he got blown up.
I don't want to put bad thoughts in anyone's head,
but I just I would avoid that place, like the plague,
maybe playing when he gets home, you still get the

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reps that you need and avoid that field where we've
seen quarterbacks get, you know, being up pretty badly. And
it's a shame in the NFL where person pays or
whatever they were, pay six billion dollars for a franchise.
You they have a franchise quarterback in Jaden Daniels yea,
and yet they're gonna put these guys on that field.

Speaker 7 (53:48):
That's atrocious.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah, I completely agree, John, Thank you for the phone call.
We appreciate you, man, thank you.

Speaker 6 (53:57):
Yeah, that's I think think there will be a pretty
short leash. I would hope there are conversations had about
a short.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Leash and had it not looked like it did today.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Yeah, and maybe you know, you get there and you'd
take a look at the field and you're walking around
on it, and then you kind of decide after that.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yeah, I look right now, there's landover Maryland has no
chance of raining forecasting for that day or the day
before or anything.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
Now the field should be an immaculate shape because they
were on the road last week. They played at New
England in their first preseason game, so this will be
the first game played on it all year.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Yeah, certainly something to watch. Do we have any more
anyone else on the line?

Speaker 6 (54:38):
We do. We have our guy Mike in La. What's
up my saint Claire roofing hotline?

Speaker 3 (54:42):
What's up? Mike?

Speaker 7 (54:44):
Hey? Thanks?

Speaker 13 (54:44):
Though, is really appreciate you. I'll tell you what, man,
I've been looking at this Arizona team, and I think
they're going to be better than people give them credit for.

Speaker 7 (54:55):
They had.

Speaker 13 (54:56):
They were the only team to get an A plus
rating or an A rating by p F happen the draft,
and uh they got a good defense and they do so.
I just that's a little tidbit to throw in Arizona,
mace Brice.

Speaker 7 (55:09):
And people this year.

Speaker 13 (55:11):
But I don't see how I'm sorry now.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
So much about them. To me, it's it's who who's
Kyler Murray? You know? I like what they did in
the draft. I like some of the weapons they have
year two of Marvin Harrison Junior, a good defense, but
that to me comes down to figuring out who at
this point, who is Kyler Murray?

Speaker 13 (55:31):
Yeah, and boy, when he's on, he's he's a little terror,
and when he's not, he's not.

Speaker 7 (55:37):
Well.

Speaker 13 (55:38):
I think Baltimore, I mean, this is the best team
I've ever seen them have, even better than their super
Bowl team. Uh when Dilfer was the quarterbacks and that
wasn't much. Uh, but they had the great defense, of course,
but I you look at that team, c well, they
got three good they hit the defense hard on the drafts.

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Three guys might have been the first three picks. I can't.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
They grabbed the safety that the Bengals were interested in,
and then they went and got Mike Green. And I
know Austin we talked about this. Mike Green has made
some wild plays at training camp off the edge.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
I think they they like what they have. They have
lost two corners that they drafted, both to lower body injuries.
They're going to miss the year, but they were later
draft picks. But from JayR Alexander to the draft to
free agency, everything that Baltimore has done, I think is
primed done to be in a very good spot.

Speaker 13 (56:33):
Their Damn Muir got an all pro splot. When you
look at it, it's incredible.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
A lot of pressure on the Mark Jackson this year.

Speaker 13 (56:41):
Oh my gosh. And then I got something kind of
funny I wanted to to I think the Bengals are
about nine wines this year.

Speaker 16 (56:47):
I just do that.

Speaker 13 (56:48):
But the defense in the old line, you guys harp
on it, harp on her, harp on it. So if
they're harping on it, it must mean that there's some
problems there. It wouldn't be you know, stressing it, stressing
it hard. But regarding the Reds, I kept thinking that
singer reminded me of somebody looked like somebody if you

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look up Tim Belcher that the Reds got from the
Dodgers back in the nineties, he could have been his brother.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
And almost right now it really is, Yeah it is.

Speaker 17 (57:21):
Isn't it.

Speaker 13 (57:22):
And then then he's almost got the Bronx and arroyo,
little haird thing and with a little flippy disca in
the back and stuff. But yeah, he looks a lot
like Belcher, didn't he.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I love the way he works though, he's very to
the point, small, compact, explosive wind up and certainly got
the job done last night.

Speaker 13 (57:41):
Yeah, just like Belcher was. They even looked to the
same way in their delivery. If you get some tape,
this check from out real quick. And you know that
same year in ninety five, people forget that the Reds
had the runner up in the Cy Young with t Shirt,
the left hander. He lost out to Greg Maddox, but
he had a three point treat was gott in second place.

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And I think everybody forgets that. After the Reds DPAs
they had a formidable starting staff for the next five years, yep,
with Soto and the guys. I just think people tend
to forget about that.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah, it's easy to forget.

Speaker 13 (58:16):
Yeah, it is all right, guys. I'll hang off and
thanks for your health.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Appreciate thank you, Mike, Appreciate you all right. By the way,
speaking of baseball last night, did you see Austin that
uh O Tommy hit his I believe forty third home
run of the year last night. I saw into a
triple play last night in a tie game. Uh not
to his fault. He had a line drive up the

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middle and it made a really nice play on it.
But uh, that is a game that they ended up
losing in uh in extra inning. So something to keep
an eye on. Man. I I think the Padres can
catch the Dodgers and and overtake and win that division.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
I agree the schedule the rest of the way and
the Dodgers bullpen is an issue. They're all there, all
of it.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Just Reducause minus Alexis Diaz is an issue. But there.
I believe they're tied right now in the West, aren't they.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
So there's a lot a lot to watch going forward.
Here is what we're gonna do. We're gonna break, We're
gonna come back. We're gonna get your talkbacks in next
right here on the whole of the Bengals. ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I'm on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 18 (59:27):
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Speaker 6 (59:49):
Oft, Suprad come on here. We hope those other two
diver come back.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
That's rude, totally. Oh comes close to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
We got hag right, Hello.

Speaker 18 (01:00:10):
B stars over talk back show, Rads well rad as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Reds won last night. They beat Ranger Suarez, which is
a hard thing to do. One because he had an
ERA of under three and second because he's a left
handed pitcher and those two things don't bode well for
the Cincinnati Reds. But it looks like enough to get
to win.

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
It looked like Terry Francona slipped the homeplate umpire of
fifty spot before the game.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
There were some uh he didn't favors, there were some
favorable calls that I'm not gonna be mad about those things.
You know, they balance each other out during the season. Yeah,
but right now we've got talk backs. Those are a
service of since he shirts and uh if u. If
you paid attention at all, you know Train's gonna be
performing at the ballpark tonight. Austin Monday night, Snoop Dogg

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performed at the ballpark. He performed in an Elanor Cruz
basketball jersey that he got at CINTI Shirts. You can
find that at Sinti shirts as well. I guess we'll
get started now for your talkbacks.

Speaker 16 (01:01:21):
Fantasy football, I got my draft night coming up here
in a couple of weeks. I would like to know
what your number one picks would be for quarterback, running back,
and wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
My running back would be Saquon Barkley. A wide receiver
would be Jamar Chase.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
My quarterbacks Burrow or maybe Jalen Hurt. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
I would I would probably lean a little bit towards
Jalen Hurts, just because if you were able to double
up on Hurts and Barkley, you'd.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Be all right. Yeah, con on Barkley being healthy for
another year.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
I'm fascinated by Jayden Daniels. I don't know if that's
gonna work out. Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
I don't trying to here to a Jayde Daniels. I
just I have a little trepidation.

Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
Yeah, I'm trying not to overthink it and be a
Homer and say Burrow and Chase and Barkley. But that
might actually be the best way to go. I think
Baker Mayfield Trevor Lawrence is gonna have big years, but
that wouldn't much help.

Speaker 19 (01:02:34):
As president of the Tyson Anderson Fan Club, I feel
obliged to mention that Tyson Anderson has never looked bad
to me on the field ever, not in practice, not
during the limited game actions he's had. He had a
seventy seven PFF grade in that game with an eighty
seven borderline elite tackle grade. Guys, think about it. This
team had Chase Brown backing up Zack Moss until Zack

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Moss was injured. They got to give this kid chance.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
Okay, we'll go out and earn it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Then arguing yeah, go get it, go get it comes to.

Speaker 20 (01:03:08):
Dart bench cut. Would you rather do a fantasy football
draft online with all your buddies? Would you rather get
all your buddies together and do a destination fantasy football
draft where you rent a house have the draft party
for the weekend, or would you rather do the gambling
website weekly fantasy football drafts where you have a new

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team every week.

Speaker 8 (01:03:31):
And are you.

Speaker 20 (01:03:31):
Guys gonna do a fantasy football show or segment for
all us degenerate gamblers, throw us a bone.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
We normally tie in a fantasy aspect during the season.

Speaker 6 (01:03:41):
I have a love hate relationship with fantasy I am.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I like the old school nature of what fantasy football is,
but over the last couple of years, I do enjoy
the dynamic of the weekly fantasy football. Yeah, Like, we
have a league where you throw up like fifty or
a hundred bucks at the start of the year on
like a DraftKings or something, and then every week you
draft a new team and essentially, if you win one
of the seventeen or whatever weeks, you get your money

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back and can make some money after that. But it
does protect you if you take somebody high and the
end up getting hurt, which I know is part of fantasy, but.

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
Still, I've never done a live in person fantasy draft,
and I don't know that I want to. I like
being the commissioner and setting the clock at thirty seconds
and everybody goes from there and getting it done. Yeah,
but that's just me. I'm a bit of a commergion
curmudgeon when it comes to fantasy.

Speaker 10 (01:04:33):
Hello, this is the common former president Ronald Reagan. And well,
if our offense has the three and out blues against
our porous defense, O, well, it's gonna be a long,
long year.

Speaker 21 (01:04:50):
So the og talkback entered song says, please keep it
clean and don't be mean. Seems like some talkbackers fall
into category of Part two pacing class, but doesn't follow instructions.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Come on, yeah, line.

Speaker 21 (01:05:06):
Is too short for toxic people and to be toxic
to each other.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
All right, all right, all right, I like no toxicity here.

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
We don't need to be mere toney, Oddie, what up?

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
It's ice?

Speaker 14 (01:05:18):
Just go off the bridge, man.

Speaker 19 (01:05:19):
It was hot out there.

Speaker 22 (01:05:21):
But Tony got a question for.

Speaker 7 (01:05:22):
You from your vantage point.

Speaker 23 (01:05:24):
Yes, and no, I haven't been listening, sorry, Audie, but
you're quote from your vantage point.

Speaker 7 (01:05:31):
What did the offense look like to you, Tony? Because
didn't look all that great to me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
But you're the expert, so I defer to you.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
What do you think.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
I thought the offense looked uh, stinky stinky today. How
about that for expert analysis?

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
Stinky stinky pooh pooh yep.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
The only thing they were able to do was was
move the ball with a little bit of the quick
game and some checkdowns. They weren't able to establish anything
on the field. They got nothing going on in the
running game, which I know is hard when you're not
tackling pre snat penalties. I counted six or seven pre
snap penalties between the ones and twos. It was a

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comedy of disasters today.

Speaker 24 (01:06:14):
Yes, my talkback yesterday was satirical. It was a parody
on the Jermaine Burton statement.

Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
That he issued.

Speaker 24 (01:06:22):
I got some positive feedback regarding my talkback, Specifically, my
mom thought it was clever. What did you guys think
about Jermaine's statement? I get that he wants to push
back on the narrative that he's a head case again,
but I also thought his statement was weird, not very nuanced,
kind of hostile.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
What do you think.

Speaker 6 (01:06:44):
Of who Jermaine Burton? I think he's I think he's
got a little bit of a temper, and I don't
think he liked. If you've been working really hard on
yourself and you've been doing all the right stuff and
then all of a sudden somebody wants to and somebody
wants to accuse you of this, and somebody wants to
say you're not doing the right things and blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah, then you can understandably be

(01:07:06):
pretty upset by that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Yeah, and so you gotta have the understanding of what
it's been in the full scope of your work here
in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
I totally get his reaction.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
And Mom made a good point. He practiced on Saturday. Yeah,
and so I think people see that and then know
he got hurt in the game, But why was he
practicing on Saturday.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
The part that's really weird to me is Zach Taylor's
like probably happens sometime during the game. They don't seem
to know what it was. Again, why can't you just
say he had some swelling in his knee. So we're
gonna be really careful with it, right. We don't know
if it happened during the game, We don't know if
it happened in practice. But he woke up with swelling

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in his knee. Okay, so and we're.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Gonna be cautious, Yeah, with where he's at. That's it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
Hey, Well, the way the whole thing has been handled
is what makes people perk their ears up. From Jermaine side,
from Zach's side, from the Bengal side, with their statement
all of it.

Speaker 25 (01:07:58):
The owner of the Cincinnati Pro Football team a little
word of advice for Tony and Austin when covering training camp,
and the bugs are biting. When I'm on my easy
go golf cart, I rub flex all four fifty four

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all over my skin that's exposed. A little bonus, it
smells great. Two keeps the bugs away.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Okay, I have to say this today we got out here,
We're like nine to twenty getting out here, getting set up.
Nine thirty. When we got in the gate, Mike Brown
was out here. I mean All Golden was the first
one out. Mike Brown was the second, and he pulled
up next Al Golden. They talked for about five minutes
and then Mike Brown parked the golf cart and he

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walked around the length of the practice field about three times.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
Listen, man, I was getting some steps in and he
just turned ninety over the weekend, so happy birthday. Well, uh, listen,
that dude every day is getting some steps in. He
has been doing that for years and years and years,
and oftentimes when they go back over to the stadium,
he will take laps around the game field and not
just like around where the out of bounds lines are,

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like the entire thing. Good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 15 (01:09:18):
I was just thinking about the Bengals, and it's not
so much about the defense.

Speaker 21 (01:09:23):
What in most of these offense coordinators and head coaches
have an idea what his tendencies, his philosophies, his ideals
about defense are from watching you know, notre Dame and
then his other prior coaching experiences, and.

Speaker 7 (01:09:41):
I know that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:42):
Can you clear that up for me?

Speaker 7 (01:09:45):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
You know there's tape on everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Everyone's got tape out there, man. Yeah, Eye in the
Sky don't lie. Yeah, Eye in the Sky is not
gonna lie.

Speaker 26 (01:09:57):
Hey, guys, great show today. Able to listen to it live,
which is a rarety. So I'm enjoying it. Let me
know what you think about this hypothetical trade, but throw it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
I'll take a signing of Noah offense.

Speaker 26 (01:10:08):
Looking at their roster, they have really two pass catching
tight ends and one blocking tight end which they ran
with all last year, and then you have Tanner Hudson.
This kind of standalone trade Tanner Hudson, See what you
can get out of them. Upgrade any position, safety, corner,
o line, maybe at a pick if you need to.

Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
Let me know what you think.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Yeah, I don't mind the creativity there, because I think
Tanner Hudson may become the odd man out. But at
the same time, it's not like they have to trade
someone to get money or equity. They've got the money
available to make a move, They've got draft picks available
to make a move. As well with Tanner Hudson. Would
he demand something in return? I don't know. Maybe that's

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why they're playing it more in the preseason. Maybe they're
putting more tape out there on Tanner Hudson for another team.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
Yeah, sure, why not? I guess I don't know that
you're gonna get much for him, to be honest, But
if that's a path, potentially, But I will say, Tanner
Hudson is the guy that Joe Burrow really likes and
trust and has gone out of his way to talk about.
So keep that in mind.

Speaker 24 (01:11:11):
Yeah, I didn't have time to look this morning. Is
there an easy breakdown of how many five game plus
winning streaks.

Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
The Brewers have had this year? Let's hope they finish
off this next winning streak before they get to town.
I saw it the other day on Twitter. They've got
multiple ten game winning streaks. I don't know how many
five gamers they have.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
They went again last night.

Speaker 6 (01:11:32):
Yeah, fourteen to nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Of course they did.

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
They ran schemes after four innings.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Did they really? Yeah? Wow?

Speaker 9 (01:11:41):
Tony Audie ted from Fairfield in regards to our friend Ben,
I don't want to besmirch another man's name. We all
have unique names, but frankly it sounds made up. Just
like Kramer said in Seinfeld, Ben Baby, it sounds like
a gangster acting for money.

Speaker 6 (01:12:06):
It might be made up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Shout out to Ben Man.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
Do you know how many people in this business don't
use their real names?

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Ben babye a lot of them. I don't.

Speaker 17 (01:12:14):
Hey, Austin, Hey, Tony ran out at shore Park today.
How many innings do you think Green pitch tonight? I
think goes six strong. The batcher heating up against left
handed pitching. They can keep that up tonight because they
rock Sanchez yesterday. Good performance. They should have scored more

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runs though good reds Obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
I don't think it's anything about uh in innings. I
think it's all about pitch count, whatever that number may
be going forward for Hunter Green, I would imagine somewhere
around what eighty or nine? Do you think?

Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
I would think? Yeah, I think you're eighty and his
last one. So as long as he feels good and
with the the bullpen is a little bit rested now
after Abbott last night and uh Singer Singer last night
and ab At the day before, So possibly.

Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
Is there any chance Seth McLachlan or Matt Lee could
slide over and play guard.

Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
I would think, but we haven't seen that yet. Also,
do you notice Howard Cross got some first team reps today?

Speaker 13 (01:13:21):
Yeah, sech Fellas.

Speaker 11 (01:13:25):
Considering everything we've seen from training camp, pre season, Game one,
and Brown's devil magic when they play us, what do
you put our odds out for a week.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
One win right now?

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
Fifty to fifty. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. That's
my uh, sixty forty. I'll go sixty forty, Tony Audie
Happy victory Wednesday. Big w for that four is downtown
at GABP last night.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Hey, Tony, I got an interesting question for you.

Speaker 15 (01:14:02):
Did Brian Kelly reach out in any form or fashion, text, call, email,
what have.

Speaker 24 (01:14:07):
You in regards to congratulating you on getting into the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
This one's been on my mind lately. I'm intrigued to
hear the answer.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Now. He didn't, and I don't know who is responsible
for because I didn't reach out. But I did receive
yesterday and LSU signed football from Brian Kelly that was
donated for the benefit on Saturday. So someone down there
in Boton Rouge has followed along and knew what was happening.

(01:14:37):
But I highly doubt that was Brian Kelly keeping up
with things. But someone had enough wherewithal to see it
and had Brian Kelly son a ball, which we certainly appreciate.
But no, I didn't hear anything for the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 6 (01:14:48):
Mysterious package and unmarked box just smells like Brian Kelly
for sure. I can't be trusted.

Speaker 23 (01:14:58):
Hither Tony Knaustin. It's branded for me, the gentleman that
just called in and stole my thunder. Nick Anderson played
for the Magic and he really hurt the Pacers back
in the Eastern Conference finals in the ninety Yeah. He
played with Penny Hardaway and Den Start the Rockers, Rand
all those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
But anyways, you were talking about sports.

Speaker 23 (01:15:15):
The Bengals, I'm not sure it sounds like the defense.
I'm not sure if they've improved much or not. And
as far as the Reds are concerned, I'm not sure
if they have enough to make the playoff.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if they do or not. Yeah,
right there with you, Clony.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
Audie, right up from the wood.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Ryan, You guys know that I was a big Moon.

Speaker 7 (01:15:38):
And Maso Backer when they were up for.

Speaker 15 (01:15:41):
The president talked back elections.

Speaker 16 (01:15:45):
I'm very thankful to have Maso and as my president
and being.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
A true contributor to the.

Speaker 21 (01:15:53):
Show and not with that whiny mount healthy boy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
See you boys Saturday. Have a great day.

Speaker 7 (01:15:58):
Wow, gentlemen, how are we doing today?

Speaker 14 (01:16:03):
Have you Wednesday?

Speaker 26 (01:16:05):
Reflection?

Speaker 7 (01:16:05):
Regards to the offensive line, the personality is who they are.
Would you rather see a stronger writer web side? Or
would you try to balance.

Speaker 13 (01:16:15):
At the bets that you can get in that there's.

Speaker 7 (01:16:18):
A lot of bottle next year with our current thing that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
I couldn't hear much because I got caught in the
enchanting sounds of that warbler. What I do know enchanting.
I would rather be balanced because there are too many defenses.
If you're just one side heavy that can match your
one side, I don't think. I don't think they have
the ability to be dominant on one side and okay
on the other. I think you've got to go more

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balance to keep the defense kind of balanced as well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Let us get ready to ramble.

Speaker 27 (01:16:53):
Fighting out of the blue corner wearing a black trunks,
the landscaper, the long enforces the grass is from reading
Ohio Sugar Ray Ready fighting out of the Red corner
wearing the Tri State Men's Health trunks.

Speaker 24 (01:17:11):
Also from reading Ohio The.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Oh my gosh, that is so good, pretty good, Sugar
Ray Ready.

Speaker 19 (01:17:26):
I think I know why you're getting ate up because
the bangled offense today.

Speaker 7 (01:17:30):
With do do?

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Did you step in it? I didn't step in it,
but you know I've I've been told before that I
have what I think I have like old blood, which
makes my blood just like a sweet nectar to mosquitoes
and things.

Speaker 6 (01:17:45):
Do you know how to get from to Cleveland? From here?

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
It's got to be just a straight shot.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
You go north till you smell it, and then you
go east till you step in it.

Speaker 28 (01:17:53):
Yep, Tony as George Valley, Yeah, Nick van Exel, it's
not even close.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Man.

Speaker 28 (01:17:58):
That left handed shot was the thing of beauty.

Speaker 10 (01:18:01):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
He's one of my favorite players of all time. Uh.

Speaker 28 (01:18:05):
I'm sure the Bengals. If Mike is predicted nine wins,
they get nine wins. John Greden will be our touch
next year. Today, let's go Reds and I really need
a dub again.

Speaker 6 (01:18:17):
That would be That would be entertaining if John Gorden
was the head coach, I don't think that's gonna happen.
Why the left handers always it always looks better coming
from a lefty everything. Why is that?

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Well, no, just you're you're just not used to seeing
it as much, I think, and it always just looks so.

Speaker 8 (01:18:40):
He is anybody going down to Thomas the train.

Speaker 7 (01:18:46):
I'm sure Tony's taking bar of the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
If anybody could get me certain top of that or percysgraph,
that'd be great.

Speaker 29 (01:19:00):
I won't be there, Tony Austin, Johnny from out Healthy here,
just want to encourage a lot of Bengals fans to
not overreact to certain things in practice and certain things
on the preseason bill. Belichick with seventy four and seventy
four as a record in the preseason in general, that's
a Patriots dynasty.

Speaker 6 (01:19:18):
They didn't win the preseason games. These are learning lessons, These.

Speaker 29 (01:19:21):
Are film sessions I think that players are building off of.
So it's good that there's all these false start penalties
at the beginning because they're gonna learn from these mistakes
and correct them.

Speaker 6 (01:19:30):
I think it's help. There you go, John from Mount Healthy,
everyone relaxed, makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 30 (01:19:36):
Tony Austin balling an easy. You know, fantasy football. I
always like it.

Speaker 6 (01:19:41):
It's always fun.

Speaker 30 (01:19:42):
But when the Bengals are bad or the Bengals are
out of it, I pay so much more attention because
while the Bengals are on, it's all Bengals for me.
But yeah, if the Bengals are crap or if our
season's over, yeah, then my fantasy interest is awesome because
then I'm I've got nothing else to do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
That's true. That's a good point.

Speaker 17 (01:20:05):
The Bluers are twenty four and six in our last thirty.

Speaker 6 (01:20:09):
The Bluers, he called him the Bluers.

Speaker 31 (01:20:12):
Hello, Tony, what do you think about Dave l Abhams
for bold bold prediction of twenty and oho winning the
Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:20:24):
I've been partaking in the wagging. Lets you know, I
didn't hear that Lapp said this. I didn't hear that either,
but I saw our guy Marcus on Twitter said fifteen
and two, and I know he's been indulging in something.
Hey guys, it's all brid in the Iba blue Eyes.

Speaker 22 (01:20:40):
Anyways, you can throw that Brian Kelly football right in
the Ashcan. I wouldn't bit on it. I wouldn't play
catch with it. I wouldn't touch that thing. I wouldn't
give it away to my worst enemy. Hey God, I
wouldn't even let God have it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:57):
Yeah. Oh, some wounds just will never heal.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Nope, that was our last one. Very good.

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
We got a touch and go on the way back here, we.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Got a little touch and go. We've got injury reports,
we've got the race Saint Claire Roofing hotline. We still
got to get to and uh, we do have to
spend a little time on the Cincinnati Reds and what
they did and look ahead to what they can hopefully
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Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Huh, welcome back since he three to sixty hour number two.
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for all these many years. Austin. Let's do a quick
check of our poll question. Can we do so?

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:22:29):
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a half wins?

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Okay? And you say, what can I say?

Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
Under I mean, I'm not surprised everybody think this team
is a lot better than they are. I'm not crazy,
but You're.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Not way under it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
No, I'm at man, You're.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
You're at ten. Yeah, which I think is fair if
you had to look right now, where are your where
are your losses?

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
Week two? Jacksonville Week three, Minnesota week four? Uh, Denver? Yeah,
Oh my goodness, I go, I'm losing to splitting with
Baltimore losing to Buffalo, lose splitting with Pittsburgh losing to
the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
What is the I think that's it. What is the
conversation in this city? If this team starts one and.

Speaker 6 (01:23:40):
Three, the conversation will be that Zach Taylor needs to
be fired. I don't think that that's the right conversation.
I think what has gone on right now is malpractice
by the organization's top football decision maker, Duke Tobin. Yeah,
that's what I think this is. But now it's I

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don't know if it's fair to really put all the
blame on Zach, but he's probably going to be the
fall guy. But we have known forever that the offensive
line is an issue, the defensive lines an issue, and
there's not enough depth. Duke has known that. We have
known that. I know that they know that, and I
just I feel like if they start slow again. Even

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if the offense performs well, you can't really blame it
on Zach because he's, in my mind, done everything in
his power to change the offseason. The coaches, his staff,
all of it. And at what point do you just say,
you know, we don't have good enough players?

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Yeah? That is that. That then becomes a tough conversation
to have because you know, some of the players are
more than capable of winning a Super Bowl and leading
a team to the Super Bowl. Yeap our Postman Law
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big news today is good news. Austin hunter Green is back.
He's going to make the start for the Cincinnati Reds
this afternoon. Go hut, I think that is uh, that's
where it starts and stops right now for the Cincinnati Reds.
Hunter Green is back. And we'll talk about hunter Green's
upcoming start today when we get into our number two.

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Welcome back. Our number three is here. It's Sincy three
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Speaker 6 (01:27:12):
What exactly is happening at the fields right now? What
do you see paint the picture for us?

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
We are completely empty?

Speaker 6 (01:27:19):
Well, you know that's not true. I hear machinery.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Yeah, that's uh, that's our guy, Mike Mills. He's got
our generator. That's our generator. That's our trucks passing by.
I just saw two ae W trucks roll by. They're
getting set up there at the Brady Center tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:27:36):
So yeah, four hundred times last week.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
You remember here, Yeah, you remember, so ae W is
getting set up right, just.

Speaker 6 (01:27:44):
Sticking around, and you're going to go over there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
And man, I wish I got so much stuff I
gotta do between now and then.

Speaker 6 (01:27:49):
You help me move tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
I would, but I had the way my schedules set up.
There's just a lot of gotta like, walk your fish,
go to walk the fish, collect a bunch. It's just
it's a lot right, right, right. But shout out to
a door and window for allowing us to be down here,
which are a W and a door and window. Not

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my computer's beat, but it's probably overheating.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
Not probably.

Speaker 6 (01:28:15):
I was gonna say, I recognize that sound.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Yep, that's a hot computer. Yep, yep. Now that you
say it, it does feel a little bit warm. We'll
shut that thing for a while.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
You sticking in that cooler for a couple of minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
They took the cooler. That's one of the tough things. Man.
They came by and they took the cooler right out
from under us. So I've got no cooler out here.
What we have My charger's not even working right now, Mike,
you might have to look at this. Mike, Well, we're
can you see why that charger might not be working?
Can you tell me what's going on? Is this thing on?

(01:28:48):
You don't know? Brother, that thing is warm.

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
I got it at ninety one degrees from our student.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
I always say, you had about thirty two degrees when
you're on the field. So that's about one hundred and
what twenty three down here?

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
What do you mean you add thirty two degrees? Yeah,
when you're here on the field. Where'd you hear that?

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Just in my mind? Oh, it's hotter than the surface
of the sun down here.

Speaker 6 (01:29:14):
It says it feels like one oh three.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Yep, I feel all of that right now. Uh, there
is no breeze blowing through it is. Uh, it's hot,
and uh we got an hour still to go now
coming up in this hour, we'll get back to the Bengals.
But I did think it would behoove us not to
spend a little bit of time on the Cincinnati Reds, right.

(01:29:39):
So before we get into a lineup for tonight, can
we can we go back to last night and still
widness what we saw at Great American Ballpark, Because I
think if you go into last night's game, you're still
you're still real a little bit, because Andrew Abbitt gave
you so much and it felt like Game one of
the series got away from you. And then you look
ahead and here comes Ranger Suarez, Here comes a sub
three ray, here comes a left handed starter that doesn't

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bode well for the Reds. And then Brady Singer showed up.
Brady Singer went six, gave up three hits, struck out,
went six, struck out six, gave up three hits, no walks,
and allowed the Reds bullpen to come in and do
the rest. Graham Ash, Graft, Brent Suter, Sam mall came in.

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They shut the door. It was a six to one victory.
The one run was allowed by Sam mall in in
the ninth on a Bryce Harper home run.

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
Tank job from Bryce Sank.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Ranger Suarez five and a third, ten hits, six earned
runs that the Reds beat him up for, only struck
out three times, walked two. Spencer Steer we played that
earlier in the show, had an RBI double, two run double.
In the third, our guy Andrew har Man, he just
passes left handed hit left handed pitching, he Howard. In

(01:30:56):
the fourth, Jose Travino drove in two on a single.
Spencer Steer had another sackfly. That's how the Reds got
to their six runs. They had hits from Freedo, Steer,
Ellie and Johar Marte McClain, two from Travino, two from
Santiago Espinal. That adds up to a six 's one victory.
And as much Austin as it felt like Monday night

(01:31:18):
got away from him, it felt like with the pitcher
on the mound and the matchup that was felt like
the Reds got one back again last night. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:25):
I agree with that, and obviously continued that meaningless stat
of having never been swept over the course of a season.
I did think it was interesting that Maul and Suitor
both threw both left handers. I don't know about that decision,
but they were able to get it in before the
rain really got nasty. I do think there's gonna be
some rain later this afternoon, right around game time, so

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I'm curious to see how that plays out for a
five to ten first pitch and then the concert and
everything afterwards. I'm sure the Phillies are thrilled with that.
But yeah, they were able to steal wires.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Are probably like many what they do a bunch at
this ballpark.

Speaker 6 (01:32:01):
Yeah, I mean series. Yeah, Nick, Castianos knows.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Man, but uh, so special about Philly that you did
two music acts.

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
Phillies didn't use a ton of their bullpen yesterday either,
so I'm sure they're pretty fresh and obviously have a
uh a good left hander coming to the mound tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Who is taking the mound for Philly tonight?

Speaker 6 (01:32:20):
That would be Christopher Sanchez. He is having a great
season so far this year. Left hander is eleven and
three with a two point three six earned run average
and uh he went six innings, gave up just one
earned run and struck out six his last start against Texas,
and then he pitched against Detroit on the third of August.

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Eight innings, five hits, no run, six strikeouts.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
In that one. Oh boy.

Speaker 6 (01:32:47):
Yeah, he's a good left.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Hander, so he's he's pitching pitching pretty well.

Speaker 6 (01:32:51):
That's correct, one point five to nine e RA in
his last seven starts.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Yeah, he did not pitch against the Red earlier this year.
Good this is his first time this year seeing the Reds.

Speaker 6 (01:33:03):
Well, we matched lefties now, so yep, what good luck guy?

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
What do we make with the start of Hunter Green tonight?
Is it officially that put up or shut up time?
Not just to go out there tonight, because I'm sure
he'll be on a on a pitch count. But Hunter
Green needs to finish the regular season with the Cincinnati Reds.
Any any other setback, any other injury, anything along those lines,

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and it is a massive disappointment for Hunter Green.

Speaker 6 (01:33:31):
I agree it's time for him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
People make a lot about tonight, and rightfully so. But
I'm looking at you know how many games are left
or what are you at? Forty some?

Speaker 6 (01:33:44):
Yeah, this is game one two, so forty games left.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
So if you think a pitcher is gonna pitch every
five times eight times five is forty? So can Hunter
Green make the next scheduled seven or eight starts? Can Nick? Look,
we get back from the blister, all right, what would
the bullpen look like? Then? This is a like you
want to talk about not just the implications of winning

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a series against the Phillies. You want to talk about
massive implications. If you get a solid start from Hunter
Green with what we've seen as of late from this
Red starting rotation, that's a massive boost. That's a massive
shot in the arm for this team. And unfortunately, right now,
the way they're hitting, it's hit or missed. That there's
not a lot of room for air if you're a
starting pitcher, especially in a game like tonight where you're

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going up against a really, really good lefty with the
sub three era who's already got eleven wins on the season.
So then Austin my question would spin two. How does
how does Terry Francona go about setting a lineup for today?

Speaker 6 (01:34:44):
Don't you think that tonight? Like the the bar for
Hunter Green should be what Brady Singer did last night?

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Absolutely like that.

Speaker 6 (01:34:52):
That's kind of like the minimum expectation can you do?
Can you go six innings and not give up a
run and strike out six? Like the Phillies have really
good players on their offense.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
But that's not I and Singer both did that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:06):
Yeah, and it's not like offensively they're just an unbelievable team, Like, yeah,
they have talent, they have guys that can hit, but
they have also had stretches of struggling to score runs
and being a much different pitcher than Singer and Abbot
I think works in his favor. But if you're able
to just at the bare minimum do that six innings

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and have the team in the game with an off
day tomorrow, going into a Brewers series with as little
as the bullpen was worked last night, that could be
huge in just kind of letting this team take a
deep breath prior to Milwaukee coming into town this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
But you're still too back in the wild card. Everything
is still in front of you. This is a massive,
massive start, and knowing that this team just hasn't performed
well against the Brewers needs to be at the back
of the mind as well. Yeah, I'd neither get this
one today. How how's Terry fur do it?

Speaker 6 (01:36:00):
Well, let's find out. Here is hal Tone the Red
Legs will be lining up leading off in center field.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
It's t J.

Speaker 6 (01:36:11):
Friedel. The second batter is first baseman, Spencer Steer batting
third and playing shortstop. Elie de la Cruz, the cleanup
hitter is the d H Miguel and Dow Harr batting
fifth and in left field. Austin Hayes Noel v Marte
bat sixth. He plays right field. Tyler Stevenson is the
seventh batter. He's the catcher, batting eighth and playing second base.

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Santiago Espinal Huh batting ninth and playing third base. Key
Brian Hayes with Hunter Green on the mound. I'll give
it to you one more time. That's Freedle, Steer Day,
La Cruz and Ahar Hayes, Marte Stevenson, espinall Hayes with

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Green on the mound. So in what we just talked
about as a critical big game for the organization, for
Hunter Green, for the playoff aspirations, up against one of
the best left handers in the game, Terry Francona goes,
Espinal and Hayes in the lineup.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Hold on, let me be one second.

Speaker 6 (01:37:21):
Now, Santiago Espinal had two hits last night. He's been
very good against lefters left handers.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Trying to see there's a gentleman across the field, right,
is that Matt McLain. Is he still here?

Speaker 6 (01:37:31):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Is he? I don't know. I mean I thought he left.
Maybe he's just hanging here.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
Matt McClean has said a couple more off days lately.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Yeah, he has, although he had a.

Speaker 6 (01:37:46):
Dog days this summer. He doubled last night.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
Yeah, he's got You think some vet days.

Speaker 6 (01:37:52):
I think it's a hey, dude, can you figure it
out days?

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
You think a couple of Matt McLean vet days are
in line? Here?

Speaker 6 (01:37:59):
He I mean just looks bad at the plate. So
I mean, I don't necessarily hate this, but a double
last night, I know, but still mostly looks lost. He
has gotten slowly better.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
I don't hate.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
I mean, what do you define as better?

Speaker 6 (01:38:14):
But every time you anytime you put a lineup out
there with Hayes and Espinol in it offensively, it's just
a huge question mark. I mean, over his last seven games,
Mclean' hitting two oh eight, He's hitting two fifty over
his last fifteen two seventy two. His on base percentage
is two ninety and two thirty one last fifteen, last seven,

(01:38:37):
not getting on base at all.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
I would imagine Hunter looks at this lineup like, Okay,
here we go. All I need to do is hold
him under five.

Speaker 6 (01:38:43):
Yeah, all I need to do is throw a no hitter.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Yep, first game back though a no hitter. What do
we know? Do you know, off the top of your
head how many pitches Hunter Green did throw and his
last last.

Speaker 6 (01:38:56):
Rehabs start, I don't know. I want to say he
was supposed to get up to the eighty mark. Eighty
eight eighty eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Ish, Okay, yeah, I can see that. I think I
think anywhere from I could be right eighty, I think
I think around ninety would be fair. But again, like
we've talked about this before, how many of the pitches
is he throwing in like high stress, high leveraged situations.

Speaker 6 (01:39:23):
Well, with Hayes and Espinol out there behind everyone of them,
he should feel a lot better about pitching the contact.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Yeah, you're right, You're right, he shouldn't. He shouldn't have
to worry much about what's being thrown out there.

Speaker 6 (01:39:37):
I mean, it's just a couple of vacuums. What did
you make last night of the scoring decision for la
ed the Cruz not being.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Anyone's looking out for la Man, it was an air,
it was an air, And like later in the game
anywhere else.

Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
Later in the game, Schwarber hits the ground ball to
McLain and he like botches it. But because he put
himself in front of the ball and fundamentally played it correctly,
he was able to pick the ball up and still
throw it to first base. Because these dudes nowadays, they're
just stabbing at it and not getting in front of

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the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
On the most fundamental level, no matter where you start
in baseball, you're taught to do what McClain did on
that ground ball. Yeah, get in front of it so
that if it does take a bad hop, you're going
to be able to gather it and still make a play.
That from a a scoring standpoint, somebody needs a check

(01:40:38):
on that. Yep, check yourself to check on that official
score where you wreck yourself. And we got to get
back to the Bengals.

Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
How is official scoring not a major League baseball job?

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:40:51):
Like, how do you not like have a scorer that
travels with the umpire crew or something like that's connected?

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Yep, flat out every team has the road to the ballpark?
Silly yep, yep, that is when you think of it
in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, that is absolutely preposterous.
What are we doing back to the Bengals when we
return and back to your phone calls the Ray Saint
Clair Roofing Hotline.

Speaker 6 (01:41:15):
I'm mad at Stewart.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
That that clip. Is that why we're gonna talk about
that clip. I'm gonna come back five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty give us a call. We'll take those calls
next on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Crapload at Stincy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Three sixty is back on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Welcome back.

Speaker 6 (01:41:51):
You wish you could whistle like that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
I can't whistle. I can't. I wish I could. We're
here at a Bengals training nothing's happening in training camp,
but we're here right now. There was some of that
just beeped at us as they were riding by the bridge.
Shout out to that person probably right now, that might
be Ice right there. Shout out to that person for listening.

Speaker 6 (01:42:13):
If you're coming over the bridge, give me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
A little honk kong. We have We've covered the major
theme of practice today, which was a bad day for
the offense, most of that surrounding the offensive line. Austin.
There is a still shot of an article that Jay
Morrison wrote and he just tweeted this out about teeks right,

(01:42:37):
and uh, if you're a Bengals fan and you look
at that photo and you're not one terrified and too angry,
then I don't know what else you need to see.
In the photo. You see Lucas Patrick completely whipping on
a block, Shamar Stewart losing his balance while throwing himself

(01:43:02):
forward at Joe Burrow. Now, Joe Burrow ended up throwing
the ball, but when you look back, Shamar Stewart landed
on top of Joe Burrow. He tackled Joe Burrow on
that play. And yes, I understand being upset with Shamar
Stewart as a rookie, you got to know better. And
maybe he lost his balance, maybe there was a push
from Patrick. I don't know, because I haven't seen the

(01:43:23):
rest of it. But if you don't go look at
that screenshot and face that with fear and anger, I
don't know what else you're looking for.

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
Just looking at that picture should put everybody in the
Bengals organization immediately into a cold sweat, correct as a
bit of a wake up call of what the hell
are we doing? Lucas Patrick is our great hope at
right guard. Yeah, and this is, you know, based off
watching the clip, just a basic stunt which this offensive

(01:43:56):
line has struggled with stunts for years. A basic stunt
where Schamar Stewart loops around and he comes in quickly
and starts to lose his balance. That's not abnormal, that's football,
and is going right towards the lower half of Joe Burrow. Yeah,
I mean, it's scarily like Chemo von Olhoffen yep to

(01:44:18):
Carson Palmer yep.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
It is. I see that photo and I immediately am uneasy,
and I'm also angry because that's the type of thing
that can derail this for good. That's the type of
thing that that tanks this season before it even gets started.
And I'm not even mad at Shamar Stewart for it, right,
I'm not either. He has to learn, yeah, but he's

(01:44:44):
he's going one hundred miles an hour. He's trying to
get better every rep.

Speaker 6 (01:44:47):
I'm guessing that that was just really fast, lost his balance.
There's nothing he could.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
Do ye momentum going forward.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
It wouldn't have been an issue had Lucas Patrick blocked him.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
Yep. And that's the other thing with photo, the still shot.
It's not like there's another guy on the right arm
of Lucas Patrick. It is the other guys are doing
their job completely, completely open season. And the worst part
is is you get beat inside as a guard inside,
right up the middle, right where Joe Burrow is planting,

(01:45:21):
right where he's throwing. I'm telling you what, there was
a part of me until seeing Joe Burrow pop up
and walk away that you're holding your breath in that scenario.

Speaker 6 (01:45:32):
Yep. I mean everybody else blocks it pretty well. Schmar
loops around and Lucas Patrick is so late. Yeah that
you know, let's say this is a regular season game,
and let's say it's I don't know, Baltimore, Cleveland, Yeah, Buffalo,

(01:45:53):
any of them. Those dudes are gonna light Joe Burrow up.
They'll take the fifteen yards if they can rattle the
guy little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:46:01):
And teams are taught that right, wrong or indifferent, and
I mean they're just lucky it didn't get It wasn't
worse than this.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
Yeah. The way the play was described by Jay Morrison
is that Lucas Patrick gave Stuart a shove as he
was going by. Stuart Shumble stumbled, tried to regain his footing,
but continued stumbling into Burrows legs. Yeah. That that to me,
And I know Stewart is going to take a lot
of heat for it. And he was asked to interview

(01:46:30):
at the practice, he said, today's not today. I imagine
that a lot of players have come up and talked
to him. Yeah, but I'm not watching that and and
losing my mind on Shamar Stewart correct Like you want
a guy with a fast motor, then that's what Shamar
Stewart is. Now, if he would have regained his balance,

(01:46:50):
I'm sure he would have pulled up. He was losing
his balance. That momentum carried him, probably because he got
pushed by Patrick, which was the only thing he could
do is he was running by him. Not a good look. TJ.
Slayton went on to talk after practice. Even the touchdown
pass that Joe Burrow threw to t Higgins, which James
Rpeen's got a video of Austin. You could make an

(01:47:11):
argument that that was a sack from TJ. Slayton. Yep.
He said that we're at least at least four sacks
from the defense had it been live action today, and
other plays that would have obviously caused a pass to
go in complete.

Speaker 6 (01:47:24):
Now, I'm happy about this. I'm happy that those guys
are being disruptive. I'm happy that we're seeing production from them.
I'm happy that it seems like they're performing better than
what we've seen them perform previously. But I don't know
how to evaluate it against that offensive line. I know
we've kind of repeated ourselves a bit of an echo chamber,
but like, seriously, like I want this to be a

(01:47:48):
good thing moving forward, and it might be, but like,
how seriously can I take TJ. Slayton, who is not
known as a pass rusher right having an impact on
the pass rush because of how bad the interior of
the offensive line is?

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (01:48:05):
What did you see from Dylan Fairchild today? Was there
anything from him? False starts pre snatch? I don't think
he had any of the false starts, but it was.
It was such a who's who of defenders in the backfield,
it's really hard to tell, and without a starter in
Miles Murphy.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
Yeah, let me read a couple more of these quotes
from this article from Jay Morrison on SI dot Com.
Went on to say that Ted Carris was asked about it,
and there is an understanding that was SAMR. Stewart's speed
and power. It was further accelerated by the shove from

(01:48:42):
Lucas Patrick. Carros said that the point is moot. He said,
it doesn't matter. The result is the result. Come on, man,
that's our hopes and dreams right there. Yep. So let
me let me break that for a second. Ted Carris says,
what about Joe Burrow. That's our hopes and dreams. Ted
Carris is on the offensive line that's tasked to protect
Joe Burrow. If Ted Carris can realize that's our hopes

(01:49:03):
and dreams, then maybe the front office should realize that
that's our hopes and dreams and make sure that he's
protected more. Yeah asked what Ted Carris expected the coaches
to say in meetings. He said, quote, don't suck so bad.
Listen to this depiction of the first team offer Sawston.
The first team offense went twelve plays. It ended in

(01:49:24):
a disputed touchdown to T. Higgins on a play where
Slayton likely would have sacked Joe Burrow. After that, the
first team offense went three and out on the next
four drives. TJ. Slayton also dropped a borough interception on
a screen pass to Noah Fan.

Speaker 6 (01:49:40):
Oh my gosh, TJ. Slayton's a monster.

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
On the final four drives, Joe Burrow was four of twelve.
Two of the four completions came on screens. Multiple plays
would have ended in sacks or throwaways. The offense also
had multiple false start and delay of game penalties.

Speaker 6 (01:49:58):
Gosh I wish they were practice and tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Again, Ted Karras said, come on, man, that's our hopes
and dreams, right, There isn't the responsibility to protect at
all costs the hopes and dreams. So here's and to
not doc a rookie for it, who's trying to to
get better every rep because he got pushed while he
was stumbling.

Speaker 6 (01:50:24):
And to circle back to the previous conversation of what's
the conversation if the Bengals are one and two or
one and three to start the season. While I don't
think the vast majority of the blame should be aimed
at Zach Taylor, it now does become his responsibility to
make the most of the roster that he's given. And

(01:50:48):
we talked about the addition of Noah Fan and twelve personnel.
We've talked about the emergence of Chase Brown. We've talked
about the difference in the run game. I understand the
strength of Burrow or the strength of the team is
Burrow and Higgins and Chase, and they've invested heavily in

(01:51:09):
those three positions. But at what point do you have
to look around and say, we're not helping ourselves by
passing the ball as much as we do. Burrow led
the NFL in attempts last year, led the NFL and
dropped backs all of it. They have got to find
a way to get a more consistent run game that

(01:51:33):
can at the very least alleviate some of the pressure
against that offensive line. Yeah, that is maybe something we
haven't talked about enough in training camp because it's impossible
to get a real good look at the run game.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
And that was hard today too, because the run game
did nothing because they had officials here spotting the ball.
It was all unscripted and officials are just gauging when
the players wrapped up that they're going to come down. Sure,
but there was a lot on a second long and
third and lungs unable to get much going in the
running game. My goodness that that is easily and by

(01:52:08):
far the scariest point of camp so far, YEP, is
seeing that that still shot from today's practice. By the way,
let's finish this segment with a positive, and it's not
about the Bengals. I just read this Austin a couple
of minutes ago from the Dayton Dragons. Our good friend
of the show, tj Antone just pitched a scoreless inning

(01:52:30):
in his first official appearance since April of twenty twenty four.
He topped at it ninety six miles per hour. Just
strikeout in the inning as well. So shout out to TJ. Anton.
That's an awesome story. Love that man. That is an awesome,
awesome story.

Speaker 6 (01:52:44):
I'm curious to see how TJ like turns this into something,
you know, whether he makes it back to the big
leagues and pitches for a long time or not. Either way,
he's the guy who came back from to Tommy John surgeries,
like the impact he can have on young pictures and
uh maybe his his space in the media, whatever, it

(01:53:06):
might be. Just an awesome dude and rooting like hell
for him to get back to the big leagues. Yep,
what if he goes crazy over the next two weeks,
get him down here, up here? You get him up here.
Who says, no, you'd be down here from Dayton, wuldn't it?

Speaker 7 (01:53:20):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:53:21):
Yeah, I mean he's in Lansing, but I think if
it as moving up the system.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
Well, anytime you're in Michigan, you think that that's disgusting.
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:53:28):
I sent you a post last night about Ohio State football.
I was really hoping you would say something about it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
I didn't get a chance to read that.

Speaker 6 (01:53:34):
Okay, well, if you ever figure out how to read,
let me know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
See if we get a few minutes when we come back,
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Speaker 4 (01:54:25):
Mo's here, It's anymore here I am.

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mozat and studio, and Moel takes some phone calls on
the race Saint Clair roofing hotline, MO, what's going on?
How are you?

Speaker 6 (01:54:55):
I'm wonderful, How are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
I'm angry, Mo, I'm great, Okay, I'm nervous and I'm angry.
And I'm sure you've seen it at this point, the
still shot that's going around of Chamar Stewart going around
Lucas Patrick and realizing how close we could have been
today to the season ending before it even started. And
yet I've seen a lot more people angry at Shamar
Stewart when in reality Blocky was pushed block him blocking

(01:55:21):
Lock lost his balance. If that still shot doesn't create
some sort of emotion from either terror or anger, I
don't know what to do at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:55:32):
I I hope Lucas Patrick is as good at blocking
as he is complaining about guys who are unblocked. Like
I've I've heard and read more about Lucas Patrick being
mad about Shamar Stewart touching his quarterback than I've read
about how good Lucas Patrick has looked in training camp.
Blocked the dude, I'm not mad at Shamar Stewart at all. Look, yes,
we've got to be smart. Let's not berefice. Let's let's

(01:55:54):
let's be Let's be cognizant of who's back there. Okay,
that's a quick conversation. Number One, MAMR. Stewart is disruptive again.
This is awesome. Your first round pick is showing out
during camp and in the preseason. This is terrific. Number Two,
Get your offensive line fixed. That unit doesn't deserve the
benefit of the doubt. Lucas Patrick got work today. Lucas

(01:56:16):
Patrick isn't wowing anybody during camp. Lucas Patrick plays a
position the Bengals haven't addressed successfully in a while that
should cause great concern.

Speaker 6 (01:56:25):
It's Lucas Patrick. The first statue in Bengals history might
be stood there. It might be he got one before
that's really unfortunate.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
Nice where he actually shoved Shamar Stewart as he was
going by.

Speaker 5 (01:56:35):
He's being a cry baby in the locker room, Like,
how about you blocked the dude, be a block for
your quarterback, tough guy, offensive lineman, we're there after it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:43):
How about your block for him?

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
For once. In the article that Jay Morrison wrote, Ted
Carris used the quote and said, come on, man, that's
our hopes and dream block him. We lockhand blocks dand
what Joe Burrow is. But that goes to the the
lack of addressing the offensive line since the season ended
last year. Right, that is your hopes and dreams, and
that's how fragile it is on a freak play like that.

Speaker 5 (01:57:05):
That should be the message to the front office. We
haven't successfully protected our hopes and dreams.

Speaker 6 (01:57:10):
Since the guy got here.

Speaker 5 (01:57:12):
So yes again, Shamar Stewart, Let's okay, understand, that's a
quick conversation. Okay, fine, right, Let's take the rookie and
make sure he knows hey, buddy, like, let's let's let's
not bring our quarterback to the ground. Okay, cool solved,
Let's wipe our hands. Move on to the next What
remains Bengals offensive line is an.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
Issue like he got drafted.

Speaker 5 (01:57:36):
The offensive line should be happy that Shamar Stewart did
what he did because it's taking the attention away from
how bad the offensive line was today.

Speaker 4 (01:57:43):
Because I.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
About him not getting home Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 5 (01:57:48):
Those offensive linemen should buy Shamar Stewart's dinner tonight. Take
him out to a steakhouse so that the inquirer can
have a restaurant. You'll never believe we're the offensive line
took Schamar Stewart for dinner. Jee, I wonder where it is.
Never take him out to dinner because instead of talking
about how bad the offensive line was today, the priest
and at penalties, the fall starts the inability to block anybody.

(01:58:11):
We're talking about Shamar Stewart. It to flex attention. Shamar
Stewart might already be my favorite all time rookie. This
guy's taking the pressure off a bad offensive line. We
now know who Lucas Patrick is. Shamar Stewart's doing his job.
The Bengals offensive line should give Chamart. They should buy
the guy a car. They should give Shamar Stewart some
samurai swords. Most of them got him because he's earned

(01:58:31):
it because he's taken the pressure off the bengals crappy
offensive line.

Speaker 6 (01:58:34):
You like him more than Kenney Irons?

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
I think I do.

Speaker 3 (01:58:37):
Okay, what do you got coming up on your show
to down?

Speaker 5 (01:58:39):
I'm gonna talk more about that. I'm gonna talk more
about this, like it's remarkable to me. And it's an
online thing. So people online like big mad. They gotta
be big mad about something every minute of every day.
So for five minutes it was Shamar Stewart. I'm sure
those five minutes are over. It's onto the next We're
mad at Shamar Stewart for nearly touching the quarterback? Me

(01:59:01):
like be mad at the Bengals. So we're going to
talk about Shamar Stewart. We're going to talk about a
huge start tonight and a huge seven weeks for Hunter Green,
and I'm going to take some bait at five oh five.

Speaker 6 (01:59:12):
Well, there's something you're big mad about too that you're
going to be talking about. Yeah, I'm gonna sneeze that
dighte okay, all right, and bless you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:19):
I hit the call. Well most sneezes if if Shamar
Stewart was unblocked on a mist assignment and ran right
into the lap of Joe Burrow. I would be pissed
at Shamar Stewart when he's getting pushed into Joe Burrow
and losing his balance. I'm not mad at him. I
met at the offensive line. Correct, We'll carry on.

Speaker 6 (01:59:33):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
What else are you ring?

Speaker 5 (01:59:37):
I need somebody to explain to me why my daughter
is starting school on August fourteenth.

Speaker 4 (01:59:44):
Yep, yep, this makes no sense to me.

Speaker 5 (01:59:48):
My last year of high school, which was obviously my
last year.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
Of public education, speeding ticket.

Speaker 5 (01:59:54):
It was when I got that speeding ticket on the
morning of morning after my prom, the day the Bengals
are at the Kajana Carter. Okay, we started school August thirtieth.
Starting school during the second week of August is criminal.
My generation of adults has been hell bent. Have you
like paid attention to youth sports like what we've done
to youth sports my generation. I got a buddy of

(02:00:16):
mine right wanted to take his kid to Lake Cumberland
for three days travel ball. Baseball coach lost his mind. Yeah,
little Kenny might miss around a batting practice. That's going
to keep himrom the big leagues because his dad took
him water skiing. My generation of adults is insane. My
generation of adults has decided school must start on August fourteenth.
We should be ashamed of ourselves. I am very apolitical.

Speaker 4 (02:00:38):
You guys know that.

Speaker 5 (02:00:39):
Yes, I will throw my support for the rest of
my life to the political party that says school public
school will not start in any of the fifty states
before the last week before Labor Day, and I being
liberal there like because it really should start after Labor Day,
whichever political party, whichever political candidate says, because I'm in

(02:01:00):
favor of kids being kids. August is summer. Summer is
not when you go to school. We're making my next year.
My kid's going on strike. Oh our district. My kid
is not hold out, holding out. She'll be very happy
to find out that she's going to be a holdout.
Next year will be the fourth grade.

Speaker 32 (02:01:18):
It's we already picked out an outfit for tomorrow and
bought all the stuff, so we have to go to
Martin next year. We are not going to school on
August fourteenth. We are just telling you now.

Speaker 5 (02:01:27):
I am boycotting my school district stag until they change
the calendar. WHOA I have hosted it the last three years.
I ain't gonna do it anymore. Now move it back now.
Things are getting serious. Haven't gotten paid.

Speaker 32 (02:01:39):
A dime either, so they you know it ain't like
I'm gonna be at anything.

Speaker 6 (02:01:42):
Move the school year, start back it Big twelve News.
The Big Twelve will now publicly provide player availability reports
for all conference games in football, beginning three days prior
to each game, submitted daily in a final report ninety
minutes prior to kick.

Speaker 4 (02:01:58):
Piece of news I get from the Big Twelve.

Speaker 5 (02:02:00):
We'll put more games on Peacock and now we're gonna
throw some games on Roku. And I think we're gonna
put some games on the History app. Like, man, what enough?
It's tough of god, We're gonna throw some games on
the Lifetime Television network app.

Speaker 6 (02:02:15):
I heard Candice Cameron Buret is going to be starring
in a couple of Big twelve football.

Speaker 4 (02:02:19):
Sign me up for that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:21):
I'm done.

Speaker 32 (02:02:21):
Top five crush of all time. There mo is a
startups in August fourteen, A lot on the Bengals, a
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