Cincy 360 w/ Tony Pike & Austin Elmore -- 9/11/25

Tony and Austin breakdown Bengals/Jags, chat with John Sheeran and Mo Egger, take your calls and TalkBacks, and more on ESPN 1530!

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Speaker 3 (01:16):
Five on Mark Chase is Weekday, then Chase Brown, then
Tom Maurice Higgins, and then Andre Yo.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yo. Yes, yes, WHOA.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I thought you were going to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
We finish it.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
It's better when the two of us do it together.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
You're right right right down. So your phone calls today five, one, three, seven,
fifteen thirty. John Shecheran is he will do each and
every Thursday of the NFL season. Will join us at
one o'clock. We've got some Joe Burrow audio. We've also
Austin got some Terry Francona audio. Now, I was told
by a I was told by a listener today on

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social media that we shouldn't start talking about the Reds
now that they're only two games back, because you and
I have already written them off.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Can I read the tweet?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Please? Okay?

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Well, as soon as I say that, of course, my
computer stops working. But I got it right here. Matt
Murray says, make sure you guys don't talk about the
Reds now that they're only two games back. Quote can
we stop talking about the wild card?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
End? Quote?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
You and Austin gave up on them already. Don't be
at GABP when we make the playoffs. Must have a
mouse in his pocket. He signed a real Cincinnati Reds
fan handheart emoji.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
All right, Matt, I'm gonna go against what you said.
I'm gonna talk about the Reds at some point.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I just I really struggle to understand why people think
it is our job to like be the most overwhelmingly positive.
Everything is great, this team's gonna make it. This team
we should all believe, and then we should all get

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be I don't understand why people think that that's our job.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
For what it's worth. Going into today, which is an
off day for the Reds, they currently hold a ten
point two percent chance to make the postseason.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Okay, that's good, so I give them credit. I posted
that this morning, like, yes I have written them off,
and yes I still don't believe they're going to make
the playoffs because they don't think they're good enough. But
they have found a way to win back to back
series against the two most important opponents on their schedule
right now, San Diego and the Mets, and they deserve
credit for that. Now, can they do it in the Division.

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I remember our guy Ryan tweeted at US a couple
of year weeks ago about how the last fifteen to
sixteen games of the year against so many homes at
AFC North NL Central opponents, that's going to be critical,
especially when it comes to the San Francisco Giants. If
the Red's finishing a tie with them, Red's gotta get
it done this weekend in Saint Louis.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, we'll talk that. We'll talk. Obviously a lot of
Bengals we have Thursday night football to discuss. Also, it
would be completely tone deaf to not even mention what
happened in our country yesterday. Now, this is not a
political show, it never will be a political show. It
never has been a political show. But from the lens
of a father, with what happened yesterday, I believe that

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in all my roles in life, as a son, as
a husband, as a friend, as my job being a
dad is my single most important job that I do.
And I mentioned yesterday after the events that took place yesterday,
I'm not a political person. I don't talk politics with people,

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more so because I don't understand enough about politics. That's
not part of my world. So I'm not the most
political person, but I watched something transpire yesterday that as
a dad has affected me greatly because as a dad
and I am a man of faith, my wife as

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a woman of faith. We are trying to instill that
into our children. We are teaching our children to stand
up for what they believe in. We're telling them to
tell the truth even when it's hard not to just
be a sheep and follow along with the crowd, to
be bold, to be different, to be so many different things,
and at the end of the day, as parents, we're
also watching someone whose life was taken because of those values.

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I didn't know Charlie Kirk a lot going into I've
heard of him, but I didn't know him going into
Yesterday a ton. I researched a lot of his stuff
and from what I understand, and again I I haven't
watched every video or everything he's ever published. From what
I understand, he was going around two different forums and
he was having open conversations with people that disagreed with him,

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and they were his beliefs in life. Everyone has opinions.
We on this show. I have opinions every day. My
opinions are not the end all be all. What I
say isn't one hundred percent right, but it's my opinion.
And the idea of a show like this is that
if you disagree, you can be part of the show.

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You can choose to agree with what is said, you
can choose to not agree with what said. We're supposed
to be able to speak freely and share ideas without
the fear of what can happen. And again, as a dad,
I can't imagine him not being able to go home
to his family and now his life being taken for opinions.

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And again, I don't know everything he's ever said, so
I don't know that I agree with everything he's ever said,
or I disagree with everything. But very rarely in life
where we going to agree with everyone. And the idea
to take those thoughts and opinions and put them in
an open forum to debate with people in a friendly way.

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I think, if there's any way to do it, that
was going about it the right way. And I think
what happened yesterday is an absolute tragedy. It's a tragedy.
There was another school shooting yesterday. We've had to talk
about way too many of those on the show. It's
a tragedy that here we are on the anniversary of
nine to eleven and trying to figure out, you know,
where we're going as a country. I just think an
overall feeling of sadness from yesterday because of the father

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side of me trying to instill things into my kids,
but also now have to be worried. Am I instilling
the things into my kids that are going to get
them in trouble at some point? That is a that's
a tough slope to navigate, And as I've said multiple times,
I think we as a country need to be better.
We need to have more open discussions and share ideas

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without the fear of what can happen from them. But
that's all I'm going to say about it. Whether you're
right side, left side, middle, I don't know, nor do
I care. Your opinions are your opinions. Those are welcomed
as they're welcomed and talkbacks, your opinions are always welcome
when you call in and maybe disagree. We just opened
the show without austin where someone disagrees with our takes

(08:07):
on the Cincinnati Reds. That can happen. You don't have
to buy into what I'm saying Austin and I disagree
at times with it takes or opinions we have about
the sports that we discuss on this show. You have
the discussion, you move on from it, and you try
to educate. That is the unfortunate thing. I think that

(08:27):
we've lost too much, too much side on. What else
do we have? Thursday Night Football Tonight a good one.
The Washington Commanders and the Green Bay Packers. This very well,
in my opinion, could be I think two of the
best four teams in the NFC right now. I certainly

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think the Green Bay Packers are one of them. I
think the Philadelphia Eagles are one of them. I need
to see a little bit more from the Rams, but
I think the Tampa Bay Bucks are one of them,
and I think the Washington Commanders are one of them.
I think that is what makes up the top four
teams in the NFC, and I think getting that on
a Thursday night early in the season is pretty good

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from a fan point of view. Now, again, are you
going to overreact? Are we going to overreact? Are people
in Green Bay and Washington going to overreact? Yes? The
fact of the matter is it's week two. There's a
long season ahead. But both these teams win their Week
one game. Green Bay was extremely, extremely impressive. Washington I

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thought was very workman like in the way that they
took care of the commanders. But nonetheless we get a
good Thursday night football game tonight. Have you seen Austin
we talked about a little earlier. There's a Paul Skeens
stat that's going around. Have you read this stat yet?
I haven't you read it to me this morning? Though,
If the Pittsburgh Pirates in every start that Paul Skeins

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made this year Austin scored just three runs would be
thirty two and five. If the Pirates and every one
of Paul Skians starts scored four runs, he would have
a thirty five and one record on the season. That
is how dominant Paul Skins has been.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
And the Pirates in turn would be the best team
in baseball. Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, Yes, if you
add what's his record right now current rakings. Give me
a second, because let's say you add twenty wins to
what they're currently at, they would be right there. But
I don't even think he has ten wins.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
No Paul Skins on the season. Yes, is tenes, so
he's ten and nine. So you add twenty five wins
to that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Twenty five wins to where they're at right now, and
that would be eighty nine men right here with the
red lights, with the Brewers at the top of the
National League Central That is crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Man, that's insane to think about that.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Like to me, Also, if I'm the Pirates and I
know that that is an organization that absolutely lee is
run by an idiot and is not a team that
cares at all about winning, but that would tell me, Okay,
the margin for error here is relatively thin, like like
or I shouldn't say the margin of air like. What

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we have to do is not significant. We don't have
to spend one hundred and fifty million dollars this offseason.
We can probably get a couple of guys offensively. And
still one of the weirdest Pittsburgh Pirate stats is that
they are nine games over five hundred at PNC Park.
They are twenty two and forty nine on the road.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Wow. Now Paul Skeens will be the.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Under Stallion's work for the Wow. People are wanting to know.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Skeens will be the NL say Young Award winner yes,
right now, he's minus twenty thousand to win that award.
Some other awards that are up. Tarik's scuball right now
often is minus four thousand to go back to back
into cy Young. Garrett Crochet is number two on the
list NL MVP. Should it be as cut and dry

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as Otani's minus twenty five thousand Scharver's plus twenty five hundred?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
I think it should be a lot closer than that.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I do too. And in the American League minus Aaron
Judges minus three to fifty. Cal raleyes plus two hundred.
Is it that cut and dry as well?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
No?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I don't think so. We will. We'll discuss as uh
as the show goes on, because we'll talk some Reds
and athletics. Right now, the Oakland Athletics, not the Oakland.
The Athletics prospect Nick Kurtz is minus fifty thousand to

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win American League Rookie of the Year minus fifty thousand. Austin,
that's not bad. He's really good. He's hid thirty homers. Yeah,
we're going to talk about the A's and there seasons,
totics and how good they've been at some things and
how bad they've been at other things. There's also a
crazy stat out there from baseball, not as lucrative as

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Paul schemes. But last night these Athletics avoided a sweep
Austin by getting to a rolldist Chapman in the ninth inning.
A rollist Chapman allowed his first hit for the Red
Sox since July twenty third. It is what now? What

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is today? September eleventh? He hadn't allowed a hit in
a month and a half. How about a rolldist Chapman
still doing it at a very high level. When's he
going to slow down? I don't know that he will.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
You know, there was a thing recently that basically said
it was as simple as he started aiming. Oh, which
is crazy to think about that. Like when he would
throw his fastball, Originally he would just let it rip
and it landed where it landed. Sure, now he's like
focusing on where he wants to throw his Who unlocked

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that thing has become a lot more effective. It's pretty amazing.
I wonder who's unlocked that for him? They said it
was one of the catchers in Boston. I forget which catcher.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
He was just like, hear me out.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
It was like accidentally with the pitch com because you
can like specify with your PitchCom like up and in
heater down, blah blah blah. And Eradus apparently was like, oh,
hear me out that's true. But hear me out here,
what if we aim these pitches? That sounds ridiculously simple. Yeah,
so I don't want to believe that it's true, but

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I've seen that going around more than once.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, reds off day today. But where the races line up?
As of right now? The Blue Jays are three games
clear the Yankees and the Red Sox. In the AL East,
the Tigers now nine and a half clear of the Guardians,
and the Astros hold on to a slim margin right
now they are one game ahead of Seattle Mariners. In

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the AL West, don't sleep on the Rangers as well,
who have won four straight. They're just two and a
half out. Phillies are ten games clear of the Mets.
They look for a four game series sweep today. The
Brewers five and a half clear of the Cubs and
the Dodgers three games clear of the Padres. Meaning in
your American league right now, New York, Boston and Seattle

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are your wild card teams, with Texas a game and
a half out, and in the National League it's the Cubs,
the Padres, and the Mets. With both the Giants and
the Reds just two games back in the NL Wildcard.
Do we know in detail yet how the tiebreaker would
work in the wild.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Card goes to inter division record. So the Reds right now,
if I'm not mistaken, are seventeen and twenty two in
the National League Central. The San Francisco Giants, I believe
are eighteen and twenty three or eighteen and twenty one
so the National League West. Because they split the season series.

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It then goes to their intra division record if they
are tied with their division record, and then it goes
to their record against the rest of the National League.
So right now it's very close between the Reds and
the Giants, which again the basically the rest of the
red schedule is the National League Central. Yeah, okay, And
there was also a tweet that went out today by

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Bob Nightingale, who often posts some questionable stuff. He tried
to say that the Reds being two games back of
the Mets is really them being one game back of
the Mets because they hold the tie break. Unfortunately, that's
not how it works. You have to get to the
same record for it to be a tie, and then

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the tiebreaker comes into Gosh, man, you can't be a
game behind him and say, oh, well, the Reds have
the tie record, they'll go ahead.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
In Yeah, what do we do?

Speaker 4 (16:56):
We do that?

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Unbelievable, But it's to look at the standings.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
I'm excited about this. I'm fun. It's fun to do this.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Don't do it too much because you already said they're
done now listen, I stand by that.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
And tomorrow we're gonna do a pick'em segment. I'm gonna
pick the Jaguars to beat the Bengals, and people are
gonna get mad at me for that too, But I'm
just gonna be honest with you, man.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Just that's what I think, all right.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
I won't say stuff for the sake saying stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
You know what I mean? What you think is okay?
Thanks man. We'll discuss it as we go today along
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All right, welcome back, Sincy three sixty thanks to Skyline Chili.
This is football in the Natty, So let's talk a
little football in the Natti. Austin, have you ever heard
of NeXT's Gen Stats? Yes? All right, so how about this?
Chase Brown may have had the most impressive game we've
seen with less than two yards per carry.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Here, who's we Here's why? Is this the people at
next Gen Status?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah? Did they say this? Per next Gen Stats, Chase
Brown had minus forty three rushing yards before contact.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Minus forty three before contact.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yes, okay, that is the lowest single game mark in
the next Gen Stats era. Yet he finished the day
with plus forty three yards on twenty one attempts. Do
you know what? That tells you? That he's making a
lot of chicken salad out of you know what? Yes?
And making people miss. There were multiple times where he

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made multiple defenders miss in the backfield and got a
yard two yards maybe just got back to the line
of scrimmage. Sure, But what it speaks volumes about Austin
is maybe the current state of the offensive line as
a run blocking team. Now here's the dilemma I have.
What did we spend a lot of the time talking

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about the Bengals unlocking this offseason the run game? Yes,
Chase Brown, But at the same time in building an
offensive line, what was the most important thing when building
the O line this year? Protecting Joe Burrow? So here
we can read off PFF grades or how do they
do it protecting the quarterback? But on the other side

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of that, they might not be the most dominant run
blocking offensive line that's ever been assembled. Does this now
clash with offensive styles for the Bengals, Because on one end,
I think they want to be more of what we
saw in the first drive against Cleveland, running in between

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the tackles, get a couple of gas runs, be the
more physical team. But on the other side, you've got
one of, if not the best quarterback in the NFL,
and you just paid all these skill weapons and Jamar
Chase and t Higgins around him, and you brought back
Mike GASICKI. So my question, again only a game in Austin,

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who do they want to be on offense and does
that directly match with the personnel that they have to
be that.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Right, And I think you feel good about Amarius mims
development as a run blocker, you don't feel great about
everybody else because Mims is still so young and so
raw that okay, there's something there, and maybe it's fair
to say that about Dylan Fairchild as well. But the
reason I think Lucas Patrick was selected over Dalton Reisner

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this year was because that Lucas Patrick, albeit not significantly,
is believed to be a better run Black run blocker.
Then Lucas Patrick is a better run blocker than Dalton Reisner, right,
but his past block became an issue. They signed Dalton Reisner.
He goes in the game, offense really doesn't run the
football well after that whatsoever, and interior of the offensive

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line was dominated by Cleveland. My fear is that after
a game in which things went south on the when
it comes to running the ball and Burrow wasn't in
the rhythm. Kind of circle back to that conversation, that
the Bengals will quickly abandon it. And I hope that

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they don't do that because Chase Brown is good and
he is a part of their offensive identity, and they
did spend parts of the offseason centering the offense around him.
They just have to find a way to better execute
up front and not let one player or a particular
player or a style of defense completely destroy their run game.

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Because you know, everybody wants talk about Miles Garrett, and
Miles played a role, But going back and looking at
the tape, it was I believe Malik Collins for Cleveland
was just ca havoc, just throwing guys around. You can't
allow that to happen if you're a Bengals offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, I just again, so much was made about how
good Chase Brown can be, but they also spent so
much money on the offensive weapons for Joe Burrow, and
they spent money to ideally protect Joe Burrow and use
the draft pick to protect Joe Burrow. But again, and
I'm with you, I hope that one game sample size

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against a good defensive line in Cleveland does not deter
them from saying we got to run the ball. But
does the personnel match that style of run For the Bengals,
That I think is what they have to sort through
because that, again, we talk about rhythm, We talk about
getting to the line of scrimmage, getting the playset, getting

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into the right play. All of that is based on
who you are as an offense. Do you have a
clear understanding as to who you are as an offense
and who you want to be? Because Austin, I think
if you do, wouldn't that give you more confidence when
you're calling the place? Or if you're not as sure?
Are you perusing that play sheet a little bit longer?

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How what do I want to do here? What do
we need to do here? Instead of just saying I
know what we're doing, I know what we want to be,
let's call it and let's go get it. Yeah. So
I think there is a little bit of a dilemma
there with the calls and the personnel and the style
in which they want to play. And again it's one
week into the season and it's one week. Say what

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you want about Cleveland against a good defense in the NFL.
What can you do this week? How does it look
different this week? Those are the growth or the lack
of growth from game one to game two early in

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the NFL season, Like that, to me is what this
is about. That to me is what's either going to
give you the confidence going forward that see I knew
it they're gonna be good or well. Boy, now it's
not a one game now, it's a two game sample size.
Still trying to figure out how they're going to do this.
Then it becomes an issue. And that's true in college.

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You'll probably say true in high school as well. The
teams that can grow from one to two weeks one
to week two, regardless of if they came out hot
or if they won ugly or they lost a tough game.
How can a team go from one to two? Preparation film,
this is what we like, this is what we don't like.

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That to me is fascinating. And now that is what
is being tasked to Zach Taylor, Joe Burrow and the
rest of this Bengals offense. And I think it'll be
a fascinating chess match and a fascinating back and forth.
We'll take our break. That was Football in the NATI.
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go to them right now. Jeff is calling in.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
Hey Jeff, Happy Thursday, gents, well spoken at the open Tony.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
I'm with you.

Speaker 9 (27:56):
I've lived where I lived for so long. I'm basically
a political Now. We are in some interesting times. And
you know, twenty four years ago today we brought our
daughter home from the hospital.

Speaker 10 (28:09):
And Saturday and get the walker.

Speaker 11 (28:11):
Down the aisle.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Crazy wow, crazy.

Speaker 12 (28:15):
Big stuff.

Speaker 9 (28:16):
Definitely big stuff, Austin, there's a couple of names of
my co workers in that book that.

Speaker 10 (28:20):
You had opened today.

Speaker 9 (28:21):
Actually, so it is definitely interesting interesting times. But on
to the better stuff. That over forty nine tonight, Georgia
does not have online gambling unfortunately, so that over forty
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twenty five to twenty four with those two teams.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I don't know. I think Micah was questionable too, right
like he's still I don't even know if he's going
to have a full thing.

Speaker 12 (28:57):
I think he's gonna be questionable.

Speaker 9 (28:59):
I've had up and four z L fives in my
back and I'm certainly not a pro football player. He's
gonna be questionable every game this year. Remember how Joe
was questionable with that wrist after Florio went nuts and
what we have to have an investigation. I think the
Packers are going to make sure that he's questionable probably most.

Speaker 10 (29:19):
Of the year unless he heals up.

Speaker 9 (29:21):
So I'm just looking at the coverage map. I don't
know how I'm gonna watch the game on Sunday, But
we get somebody named Chris Lewis and Logan Ryan on
the call, so that's okay. And of course Nance and
Romo could not escape Chasing Chasing the ghost.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Of Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 9 (29:38):
Although I think Buffalo at the Jets is going to
be a pretty good game, I would think you never
know if Buffalo is going to feel coming off that
crazy game, so we should have a pretty interesting weekend.
And that's all for the check in today. Again, thanks
for the open Tony. That was much appreciation.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Absolutely, I hope everything with the wedding goes well. Jeff,
congraduate relations.

Speaker 9 (30:01):
I've been running around getting liquor and seltzers and everything
for a day and a half. I'm just waiting for
Saturday to get here so I can start drinking something myself.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Well, enjoy it all, Jeff, thank you.

Speaker 12 (30:14):
I have a great one.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Guys, Yes, sir, you know it is that that is
alarmingly low Austin for a total between these two offenses.
But I always go back to my guy Dan Horde,
who says, whenever you're alarmed by something correct, someone usually
knows more than you.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, and I would imagine what's the how I.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Will say, like early in the season, I feel like
there's some opportunities. Maybe they haven't figured things out yet
and you can maybe get Vegas a little bit, but
for the most part.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
How many points is Green Bay favored by tonight, assuming
they're favorite? Yeah, I see here three and a half. Yeah,
that sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah. And as we talked about yesterday with the with
the Bengals, three and a half. Normally home field is
good for like two or three points. Sure, let's essentially
a pick them between two good teams.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Thursday night, short week after the first game of the season. Now,
the Commanders didn't really have to struggle through the Giants.
But that's always a tough one I feel like. I mean,
I'm sure most teams would rather get it out of
the way right away and have to deal with it later,
like the Bengals do. But I always side with the
home teams on Thursday night games. Yeah, whether Mike is

(31:26):
there or not.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Just from listening to some Commanders fans, most notably your
buddy Pft from Barstool Sports, he keeps reiterating that he
doesn't think the Commanders have a Super Bowl roster. Now,
this is a Commander's fan being honest with his media
role about the way he views his team. Yeah, let's

(31:50):
just give some space for that for a second. I
like the Packers to win this game. I don't know
if I'm crazy about the over though.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Both of these teams combine for exactly forty eight in
Week one. Green Bay scored twenty seven on Detroit and
the Commanders, I believe, put up twenty one against the Giants. Now,
I do think the Giants have a sneaky good defense.
They've got some studs on the defensive side of the
ball to put it all together. But to your point,

(32:20):
the only thing that gives me reason for the over
is the fact that it's a short week and that's
just usually a little bit harder for the defenses. Yeah,
so you probably got guys that didn't practice much or
didn't practice at all going up against offenses that you

(32:40):
know are already have their stuff in. I think it's
harder to game plan for another team's offense and how
effective that may be than the other side of it.
But either way, I think it's a fascinating, fascinating Thursday
night football matchup. Have you looked at as anything else

(33:01):
on the weekend slate? And we'll make some picks for
week two tomorrow. Are there any other games that give
you that sneaky good game feel?

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Chicago at Detroit Not necessarily that both of those teams
are good, but obviously Ben Johnson returning to Detroit for
the first time. I don't know that the Lions that
we saw against the Packers are who the Lions are.
I think you start people will start completely freaking out
over the Bears if Caleb performs poorly in that game.

(33:34):
Other than that, no, not really, I'm not. I don't
really find any of those games like, oh, you have
to see him outside of the Eagles and Chiefs. And
I do think Falcons Vikings would be will be a
good game on Sunday Night. But again, it's it's Brian
Floores against a rookie quarterback. We've seen how that goes
sometimes in the past. Pennix isn't a rookie but a
second year quarterback. Yeah, I look at one. I think

(33:58):
the Bills Jets could be a good one just based
on what we saw from the Jets in Week one.
Over in that game or the total in that game
is forty six and it's crazy, which I think is
a little low, right, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Because I think the Bills are going to score. But
I was impressed with justin Field and the Jets offense
against a good defense in the Pittsburgh Steelers. As you mentioned. Eagles.
Chiefs obviously is a is a big one. What about
the sleeper, what about Denver going to Indy? I don't
I don't have any thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
About the Browns having to go to Baltimore. I trust
Denver to beat the Colts on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
What do you make of the Dolphins and the Patriots
snooze fest? Yeah, a little bit disappointing Week one for
the Patriots. Yeah, Strem Raiders extremely disappointing. And I don't
know if you find another team that laid down more
than what the Dolphins seemed to do in the first game.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Right I'll tell you one that is kind of has
my attention is San Francisco at the Saints. San Francisco
only a three and a half point favored in that,
but Brock Perdy is not gonna play, George Kittle is out.
Remember Deebo Samuel's not there anymore. Juwan Jennings, one of
their wide receivers, has not been one hundred percent. Christian
McCaffrey has a history of getting injured. The Dome is

(35:11):
never an easy place to play, and now their defense
is solid and Robert Salad back coordinating that defense going
up against the Saints, who put up a much better
fight than I think anybody expected in Week number one,
that could be a sneaky game right there.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I think if you're looking at the lens of the
NFL as a whole, and you're not here in Cincinnati.
I think the Jagson Bengals would be one of those
as well, for nationally to be like, Okay, let's see
what they got going on here. See if Jacksonville can
expand on Week one. Let's see if the Bengals can
figure out things offensively. How's the defense going to play them?
But against the better offense and a team that well

(35:47):
established themselves on the ground in their Week one win
with a new head coach as their coordinator, I think
that's all fascinating to look at. I also think it's
fascinating Austin to take blind phone calls at times. Can
we do that here? I don't know if today's a
day for that. Oh yeah, you're right, you're right. Well,
let's take an early break. We'll get to our phone lines,

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Jacksonville Jaguars. Of course your talk back so much more
between now and three o'clock. We do leave ourselves some
time here for some phone calls. At the end of
our number one Mike is calling in. What's up, Mike?

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Thanks so I I happened to catch a little ESPN
this morning. Orlovsky fit his top five quarterbacks after the
after week one, and Herbert was number one. Yeah, Love
was number two, Stafford was three, Stroud with four, and

(38:30):
Geno Smith your Raiders. Yeah, it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
That was a very quiet It was a quiet but
good win for the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Didn't we throw it for like three sixty or something?

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Height threw or three? I was close to the three
bad weather too close?

Speaker 10 (38:48):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
So Gino can slain it now he's been I mean,
anybody who's hung around the league this long, you know,
he's got to have some value to him or he's
still been around just elite, that's all. I think the
Giants are blowing it. They gotta put Russell Wilson in
the refrigerator and Jackson start. Dart needs to start game
be a good one.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I think Jackson Dart is going to be a stud.
And it's interesting because if your day ball, you can't
let this season get out from under you already. You can't.
You can't give Russell Wilson an eight game leash. You've
got to make a decision based on one week to
the next. Who's gonna give this team the best chance
to win? Because I said before, I do think they
got a good defensive team. They they need to find

(39:29):
ways to put up points, and I don't think Russell
Wilson is that anymore.

Speaker 16 (39:33):
They do.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
They have a quietly good good defense. I think Danny Dimes.
I think Daniel Jones makes this game versus Knicks, makes
this a close game between Denver and Indy because of
Jones' experience and the knicks is lack thereof.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, I think Jones in Indy gets the fresh start. Obviously,
people are gonna take note of what he was able
to do in week one, and I think Bo Knicks
was a little disappointed in week one, So there's a lot,
a lot to follow along with here.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
And I know that Tua and those those guys were
talking about how difficult lou Ana Rumo made it on them. Yeah,
and so I'm sure he'll go after bo Nicks in
a way that that I'm sure Bo hasn't seen before,
maybe might not be ready for. So it could, you know,
continue to stall out for that Broncos offense at least early,
but their defense is good enough to keep him in games.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
That's the only reason they won last week.

Speaker 10 (40:25):
With defense is bad. You know what.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
The Padre good for the Reds. The Padres bats could
not be softer right now. They are slumping horribly off
the bats. And that was a hell of the pitchers
duel last night. Beteam to that and Abbott that was
a great picture.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, I was. I was glad to see Abbot bounce
back and have a good start because as of late
he's been a little bit more inconsistent. You worry about
maybe the length of the season and how much they've
had to utilize him as the bell cow. But now
I thought that was a very very positive step forward
last night for the Reds and for Andrew Abbott.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Well they got was careful and not let these as
sneak up on and get them for a couple of games,
because that could easily happen. We'll in their history, right, We're.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Gonna talk about the A's are fourth, the fourth best
hitting team in baseball, fourth best batting average, fourth most
home runs they could. They can hit the ball out
of the ballpark. Their pitching staff is not great, but
that is a very very good offensive team.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, they are. They're surprisingly good. They just don't get
any pub, you know, just like the Reds don't get
any national pub, or not nearly as much as we
would like. Anyway, guys, I appreciate the time.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Thanks so Munch, Thanks Mike, thank you. Uh from Mike
to UH to John. What's up John?

Speaker 10 (41:43):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (41:45):
How are you good?

Speaker 17 (41:46):
Hey?

Speaker 18 (41:46):
First of all, congratulations on the UC Hall of Fame
things a few weeks ago.

Speaker 12 (41:52):
But congrats on that, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 18 (41:55):
I wanted to talk a little bit about Reds baseball,
even though the guys shout out to you guys didn't
want you guys to talk about him. But I'm I'm in,
I'm in all one sixty two, and I know that
it's at different points. It's been a tough season and
we've thrown dirt on them multiple times, but these guys

(42:17):
just keep fighting back and and uh, we're here. I mean,
we're we're getting towards the middle of September and we
have relevant baseball and that hasn't happened very much lately.

Speaker 12 (42:26):
So I'm pretty excited about it.

Speaker 18 (42:32):
I think that it's really interesting to see how the
bullpen's been uh come together here with the Maxwell and
uh uh uh uh Connor Phillips, I mean we're kind
of grabbing guys off the scrap heap and and guys
out of Louisville to piece things together, and uh, right now,

(42:52):
it just seems to be working.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, I mean they're they're finding ways. And again it
feels like they're hanging on at times, but they're finding ways. Austin,
I've believe did you mention earlier that the plan has
to use Chase Brown in the bullpen? Yeah, Chase Burns.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I'm sorry, raids Red said that, Terry Francona said prior.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
To the So yeah, that might be some bullpen help
as well. If Chase Burns can give you some innings
down there.

Speaker 18 (43:14):
And I think I think they said Ashcraft might be
coming back to right.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Don't know exactly his his status. I can double check it,
but I know he's still going through the rehab process.
I don't know how yeah, how long it's going to
be before he gets back.

Speaker 18 (43:29):
Yeah, Okay, Well, I think it's interesting how they're handling
Burns and I'm sure they're going to use him very
very just at discretion because of how they handle pitchers
these days. But it just seems like he was pitching
along there and then all of a sudden he just
was shut down, and there was some time there we
kind of needed a few arms. But yeah, it's it's exciting.

(43:52):
I'm a I'm a big baseball guy. I know everybody
loves football now and likes to talk football, but I
I I can get to football here in a few weeks.

Speaker 12 (44:02):
But I just love the.

Speaker 18 (44:03):
Grind of the full baseball season.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, John, we appreciate the phone call. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
You know, the update quickly on Graham Ashcraft. He was
supposed to face the live hitters yesterday. Don't know if
that happened. Okay, so no update yet. Hopefully we'll get
something tomorrow from Terry Francona. Chase Burns will be activated
tomorrow and we'll initially pitch out of the bullpen according
to the rest it is.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
You know, as John mentioned, there was that stretch there
Austin where it felt like they needed some help with
the rotation. And then there was the comments of you know,
the cowboy talking about watching Chase Burns throw the simulated
game or simulated inning. Say, and he's got it. He
needs to be with this team right now. They have
somehow managed to stay afloat, and they will add Chase
Burns to that bullpen. That is obviously an upgrade I

(44:53):
would imagine to bolster the Reds bullpen. We'll talk a
little bit more about the Reds in our number three
when we get back. Our guest the top of our
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what's up?

Speaker 12 (46:07):
What's up Tony? What's up Austin? Feeling good? Bearcats Bengals
two and o in the week. So you always get
a positive version of me when that happens.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Always a positive and it's always better, can hear the pepitist.
It's always better to be able to talk about maybe
some of the deficiencies when you're still want to know
at the end of the day, and that's something this
team has not been able to do enough of. With
that being said, let's start on the defensive side of
the ball. Let's start with that front seven, or or
that that al Golden is able to use right now

(46:35):
because I look at Demetrius Knight head ten tackles. I
look at Logan Wilson had seven tackles. John. That to
me tells me that the front four was doing its
job and allowing those linebackers to go play against the
run as well.

Speaker 12 (46:46):
And this is why we always need to look back
at the film, because you know, on that first couple
of drives for Cleveland, T. J. Slaton had some spliesh players.
There was a time or two when you know, a
double team kind of got the best of it and
I'm like, Okay, maybe he needs to get a speat
in a little bit. But he did his job right,
and he showed how much of a difference he can
make to clear up the space behind him and allow

(47:06):
Demetrius Knight and Logan Wilson to attack more freely. You
saw Wilson splits a ton up the middle of the
day gaps. He just looked like the kind of the
younger version of himself and thankfully he's totally fine with
this concussion and that's not a serious thing. But yeah,
it was nice to see a full, healthy, stable rotation
of guys along the defensive line. Even Mike Panell got
in with twenty two snaps right, Chris Jenkins and b J.

(47:28):
Hill had a pretty healthy split of the snaps of
defensive tackle and you saw a better version of BJA
Hill where it looked like kind of the early days
when there was a nice rotation of defensive tackles in
the twenty twenty one team. So it was a good
sign I think for just the guys being energetic coming
in and out. You still would like to see a
little bit more consistency in terms of pass rush, but
hopefully that kind of can kind of come along as
the season goes on. But it was a nice, good

(47:49):
opening vision to what you know the defensive front of
this rotation is going to look like. And I think
they've been blessed with some pretty solid coach know the offseason.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Shamar Stewart didn't flash from a box score, but he
was all over the field seemingly his first action as
a rookie in the National Football League. What was your
big takeaways from watching Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 12 (48:09):
He was exactly who I think was advertised at a
training camp, where he just looks different, he moves differently,
and it's not always going to be clean, right. I
think the very first impact lay he made, he kind
of had like a decent jump off the snap, but
he didn't exactly know where to attack the left tackle, right,
He was missing his landmarks a little bit, and he
was trying to find and read the quarterback and then
he just got his hand up and he's back at
the ballway. It unfortunately didn't count because of a penalty

(48:31):
in the back end. But like, that's the type of,
you know, impact plays that he can make, even if
it doesn't always look clean.

Speaker 11 (48:37):
Right.

Speaker 12 (48:37):
There was another play where he crossed the face of
two Browns linemen and one of them was the tight
Endavid and Joku, but he completely messed up the point
of attack. The running back had to cut back. He
tripped over his own feet. It was like a game
of zero, right, But that disruption that forced chaos multiplayer
if you will. Danials haven't really had that along the
defensive line. So it's definitely not going to look always
clean with Stuart. But again, he's just a ball of

(48:58):
force and energy. He taught to side like Dewan Jones,
who's sixty eight four hundred pounds, right, Like that's not
easy to do. But he's got just an order amount
of strength with his size, and that's just a valuable
commodity to have, even if, again it's not always going
to lead the clean wins and sacks like you mentioned.
So he was who I hoped he would be, and
I hope that he continues to build off that.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
What do you think Al Golden learned about his defense
last week against Cleveland that he can apply to Jacksonville
this weekend.

Speaker 12 (49:26):
It's an interesting question. Like they played a lot of
cover one and cover six, so like there's a mismatch
of you know, there's your single high looks of Geno
Stone cover six where you have, you know, one side
of the fields cover four, they others had to cover two.
They moved around the quarterbacks a lot. I think there's
some questions about if cam Jayler bridd is kind of
adapting to this new scheme because he was playing on
both sides of the formation and he looked a little
bit slow and indecisive, but I think he recognized that, Yeah,

(49:49):
if he tied those blitz as well, he's gonna blitz
a lot more than gluing a remo. It can lead
to disruption if you're front fourth and always winning up,
you know, up front, because that was kind of a
problem in the beginning of the the first half and
everything like that. But you know, I think he has
his guys playing free and they're playing fast, and that
was definitely evident. So I'm interested to see the adjustment
team makes on the back end with his coverages, if

(50:10):
he wants to maybe tone down on the main coverage
a little bit in case, you know, camp tail Bridge
is not fully himself just yet. But I thought it
was a good peek into what he wanted to do schematically,
and there was definitely differences compared to Lunaruma. But it
could just be a mash of the matchup type situation. Obviously,
Trevor Lawrence this week a lot more of a mobile,
mobile guy. He wants to create plays out of the pocket,
and that may require them to maybe dial down the
blitz a little bit and practice a little bit more contained.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I wonder John on the offensive side of the ball.
I don't think anyone is panicking. I think everyone assumes
this offense is going to at some point sooner rather
than later figure it out. No one's hitting the panic
button there, But were there any things that you saw
on offense that may lead to more issues for this
team going forward.

Speaker 12 (50:52):
I don't know, because, like the main issue I think
was that Burrow as the game kind of went on,
his internal clock was a little bit sped up, and
I thought you had a really good break down about
getting the plays in a little bit late, and that's
why he couldn't necessarily see the field clearly on some
of those plays. But ninety eight percent of the time,
if you have a defense that is wanting to play
man coverage against teagainto Jamar Chase, that is exactly what
the Bengals are salivating over, and they're counting on their

(51:14):
guys to just take advantage of that. And the Browns
are just one of the very few defenses in the
NFL that has not only the defensive coordinator to combat that,
but they have the athletes to cornerback and obviously the
best pass rusher in the world to speed up Burrow.
So when you don't have separation on those routes, gets
man coverage and you have Burrow needed to get the
ball quickly, that can lead to obviously a disastrous performance

(51:34):
that we saw. It shouldn't be that bad, but I'm
not surprised that as the game went on they kind
of slowed down a little bit, just because you know,
they're guys for the Browns came to play, and that's
just something that you have to respect. So I think
because that was the main issue, I'm not too concerned
about it. My biggest concern is still I think the
consistency of the run game and the lack of creativity
really on a lot of those short yarded situations. I

(51:55):
still have a lot of confidence to Chase Brown, but
I think you still need to see not only this
offensive line get generate more movement up from but you
else if he needs to see a little bit more
creativity in terms of the play calling and making sure
that you're giving your guys opportunities to convert those short
yard situations.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I'm curious. We talked about this to start the show today,
John the Chase Brown dynamic, and if you go by
next gen stats, it was unbelievable he was able to
get plus forty three yards on the ground. Based on
what that looked like behind the line of scrimmage, I
thought he worked magic. But I'm in this a little
bit of a dilemma because here you pay Jamar Chase,

(52:31):
and you pay t Higgins, and you've paid Joe Burrow,
and you got all these weapons, and then you advance
the offensive line in a way that you try to
prioritize protecting Joe Burrow more. While at the same time,
if you look across the old line, there's not a
great history of dominant run blockers that the Bengals have assembled.
Yet it feels like they want to be a running team.
They want to be able to create that physical dynamic.

(52:55):
Does that mesh does the personnel mesh with wanting to
be in I had to tackle running team with Chase Brown?

Speaker 12 (53:02):
I don't necessarily think so. And I think that's why
it's more reliant on, you know, the personnel groupings that
they have out there, and then giving the defense a
little bit of a taste of like they like to
go into pistol right, because they don't they recognize that
Burrow is not the greatest wing's under center when he
has to drop back there. And they ran to that
issue in twenty twenty two where they were always running
under center all the time, right, they had to adjust

(53:23):
and become a shotgun running offense, which fit their offensive
line a little bit better now. Now it's kind of
your marrying putting him in the pistol to still create
those types of run constumps and schemes where you have
Burrow not o the center, but he's not in the
shotgun right, So I think personnel wise, you're still kind
of building out an offensive line that's really prioritizing in
pass protection, but you still need to see a jump

(53:44):
from ma Marius Mows and generating movement. Dald Reisner now
is your starter, and that's never really been his forte.
Ted Carris at his age is definitely more of a
pass protector than a run blocker. So the entire side
of the offensive line, it's not always going to be
a road grading union necessarily, but like you said, he
like they still want to have that be part of
their offense. So it's just about creating success in the

(54:04):
past game to lighten some of those boxes, give them
more opportunities to get some easy yards for Chase Brown,
and then hopefully at that point the game is firmly
in the Bengals hands part of the game, and then
you can run the ball a little bit easier out
of some of those looks. But it's definitely not a
unit where you can just line up and run the ball,
you know, three straight times and expect success because they
just don't have the guys a front to do that.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
That was my follow up because I looked at times
and it felt like Joe Burrow just didn't have much
rhythm in the game, and I think getting the plays
in quicker would help that. I also think finding him
those completions early in the game can help that. Do
you think it can work in that sense to not
just run to set up the pass? Can this team

(54:44):
find more success passing to set up the run in
your opinion.

Speaker 12 (54:48):
Yeah, I think that's exactly what their mission should be
because at the end of the day, that's just their identity.
And I think still early in the season, right like,
it doesn't really matter at this point how much Burrow
plays in the preseason. You're obviously not going to have
him play in all three of these games, and you
don't want him playing a lot in those other two.
It's just he's still just the quarterback that needs the
rhythm and needs to get into the flow of these

(55:10):
games in order for him to look like the best
version of himself. I was watching, you know, Bill's Ravens
the other day and how Lamar Jackson, Josh Allenson they
can just roll out of bed because they're physically so gifted,
they could do whatever they want in the football field,
and defense have to respect that. They're terrified of that,
especially because defenses aren't in their full former week one.
It's just not the same with the Bengals when you
have Burrow who relies so much on his timing, his
anticipation and just's the whole offense just being in a

(55:32):
cohesive machine. It's just not going to be there in
week one, And unfortunately, they just ran into a defense
that was, you know, really good and keen in all
what they like to do best. So I still think that, yeah,
like you saw earlier in this game where they had
a lot more twelve personnel, no, a fan was more
involved than you you were expecting. So I think you're
kind of hit the nail on the head that they're
trying to get him more in rhythm and try to
see where the rest of the game goes. But unfortunately

(55:52):
it just wasn't sustainable for the rest of the game.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Were you surprised at all? With as much we talked
about it in the offseason, we talked about T Higgins
and T openly talked about moving around more and slot
and being in motion. Jamar has talked about that. It
didn't feel like to me that we saw a bunch
of pre snap movement, that we saw a bunch of
different formations. Is that something you just don't really get
into week one? Maybe you try to hold on to

(56:15):
what are your thoughts on how they utilized formations and
motions to help these wide outs.

Speaker 12 (56:21):
That was honestly one of my biggest disappointments because I
remember in Week one last year, and obviously that was
a different scenario when Chase was still coming back after
holding in. But you saw a jump in pre snap
movement in Week two against the Chiefs, and the offense
obviously looked a lot better. And that's just that she
could around the league like play action prestat movements. It
just it puts the defense in a bind right before
the snap and allows you a lot more flexibility. And

(56:43):
it's still something the Bengals just for whatever reason, they
just don't start the season like that, but then they
kind of go into it as the season goes on,
and like eventually it will become a more frequent part
of the offense. But whatever this plan was against the Browns,
I think they just really prioritize is not letting Miles
Garrett below up the game, and he really almost did
because he just can't contain that guy for four quarters.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
How go ahead, awesome.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
I was gonna say, just looking ahead to Jacksonville from
what you saw from them in week number one, how
do they match up with the Bengals? Who should fans
be keeping an eye out on the Jacksonville side? That
could cause issues for the Bengals on Sunday.

Speaker 12 (57:18):
Yeah, this run defense for the Bengals I think is
going to be put to the test again like that.
I think they're feeling really good about you know how
they kind of slowed down the Browns run game. But
Travis TN We're obviously ran wild against the Carolina Panthers,
and I think the interior offensive line for the jackson
is probably the strength of that unit. Ezra Cleveland is
still a really good athlete left guard. You know, the
Bengals are pretty familiar with the right guard Patrick McCarry.

(57:39):
Robert Hainsey's a pretty solid center as well. But Etn,
if you just give him a Crease, he's gonna just
burst through the hole like like you know, Bengals fans
want Chase Brown to do and he's dangerous in that regard.
So it's up to you know, the Bengals linebackers once
again being light on their feet taking good angles, and
the emphisits on tackling again, like because I think if
they can have a situation where they don't have to

(57:59):
have Trevor Lwrence dropped back forty fifty times in this game,
that's a pretty good residue for the success for Jacksonville.
But also Brian Thomas Junior, I think he's going to
see a lot of jam Tiller Britt in this game,
and it's up to camp Tayler Britt again to have
a nice downce back performance because I don't really know.
It's still an unknown, like what Travis Hunter is right now.
He was mainly in the slot of his receiver, but
now the reports are saying that he's going to play
more on the defense, maybe because the Bengals have two

(58:21):
of the best receivers in the game. So he's a
He's a complete wild card to me, and I think
the Bengals don't really know what to expect in that
respect either. So there's going to be more talent in
some of these other areas that they just didn't see
against Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
We talk a lot about some of the weapons in
ETN and Brian Thomas and even Travis Hunter and Trevor Lawrence,
Brenon Strange. I know Trevor Lawrence likes their tight end
a lot. We don't hear a ton personnel wise or
anything about the Jaguars defense. What do you know about
them at the early point here, still obviously some days
away before the game, But what does this defense pose

(58:52):
as a challenge to the Bengals offense?

Speaker 12 (58:55):
They got good linebackers who are also very athletic, and
they can create some disruption over the middle. I think
josh Heines Allen is definitely the best pass rusher. He's
not quite Miles Garrett, but no one really is. But
he's going to see Orlando Brown Junior at left tackle.
Eric Armstead is still a mammoth of a man a
defensive tackle, and that's something to watch. And Treyvon Walker
was honestly Shamar Stewarts like closest comparison coming out to college.
He was a first round pick, a handful of years ago.

(59:17):
Another really explosive, straightforward athlete that's really starting to find
himself as a pass rusher. So this JAG's defensive line
is not quite Cleveland, but they're really not that far off.
So that's still something I think the Bengals have to
keep in mind. Burrow's going to have to be a
little bit more spry in the pocket. I think he
talked about just wanting to make more plays and extend,
didn't get out of the pocket and kind of get
into his comfort zone a little bit more, which he

(59:39):
didn't really do that much against the Cleveland Browns. So
their front four is still something to be a note of.
And again, it'll be interesting to see if you know,
Hunter plays more at cornerback and if he ends up
going up against t Against and Jamar and Chase.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
If you're looking ahead to Sunday and Zach Taylor still
trying to crack the code of Week two, he's yet
to win a Week two games since he's in the
head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals. What would you tab
early on as your biggest keys to Sunday's game.

Speaker 12 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I think again, like Jamar Chase needs to just
have a Jamar Chase game, I think, and I think
he's gonna be pretty motivated to do that after kind
of layne and ay against the Browns. Jake Brownie was
obviously the quarterback the last time these two teams played,
and he absolutely cooked Tyson Campbell, who I think is
still the number one quarterback depending on what one hundred
usages is going to be, I think a lot of
it's going to be on that. I think the Bengals

(01:00:28):
offense is going to kind of revert back to how
they want to be in terms of personnel usage as
compared to what they rolled out against the Browns, but
it was a lot more heavy with the twelve personnel,
So you're gonna see more Mike a Seki. I think
you're going to see andre Yosawats actually make a catch
this time around with after he didn't catch any balls
against the Browns, so you're going to see more of him. Personnel.
I think you're going to try to isolate Jamar Chase,
maybe get him in the flot a little bit more

(01:00:49):
and really tests, you know, the medal of this jack
secondary because again I think they got dogs up front,
but you know their quarterbacks are obviously going to be
testing every defensive secondary is gonna be test against the
Bengals offense.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
John Shearon aight is E Sports covering the Bengals. You
mentioned at the top of this segment. John, that was
a good weekend because the Bearcats and the Bengals won.
I have a hard time still figuring out who the
Bearcats are, and I know in today's college football it
takes a little bit longer. But as a fan of
the Bearcats, who do you think they are at this
point two games into the season.

Speaker 12 (01:01:22):
Well, they're not totally pissing me off just yet. They
did a really good job in Week one against Nebraska,
but yeah, like they're just I I still feel like
they're incomplete. I think that they should have played a
lot better against Bowling Green. I still don't really know
what the identity of this defense necessarily is. It sucks
about Corleone and his injury and everything, and I just
I really hate how his career has kind of turned

(01:01:43):
out for you see there. But yeah, like I think
they're still lacking in identity, and obviously that kind of
grows as the season goes on, But they haven't truly
pissed me off. Yet, so there's at least that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
How much do you look at a game like this
weekend Northwestern State was down fifty nine to nothing to
Minnesota at halftime? What do you even watched for as
a fan in a game that is going to be lopsided,
a team that's not going to put up much resistance?
What do you even look for in a game like Saturday?

Speaker 12 (01:02:10):
I didn't even know that school existed. I'll be perfectly
onto the So I think the first thing I should
do is look ay where they are on a map.
I should probably find out who the head coach is,
and then we can kind of go from there. I
love any sort of just competent win at this point,
I'll take it. It wasn't quite there for me against
Bowling Green. A win is a win, but I just
I still need more. I still need to be reassured

(01:02:31):
about what this team is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
I love it. I love it. John. What's the easiest
way for listeners to follow along with all your coverage
of the Bengals all throughout this season?

Speaker 12 (01:02:40):
You guys know it. It is esports dot com, Backslash Cincinnati
on YouTube, it is these Sports Cincinnati, and also follow
me on the podcast really Orange Insider Bengals podcast wherever
you get your podcasts from the Belief Podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Awesome, John, thank you so much. We talk again next week.

Speaker 12 (01:02:56):
Thanks fellas.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yes, sir, there he is John sheheron ad is Sports eight.
Is he Sports? It's right. I like John.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
John's great, very knowledgeable, and he watches the tape. He
watches the tape. I like guys who watch tape and
know what they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Watches the tape, discusses the tape, watches the Bearcats, discusses
the Bearcats. I'm all about it. Yeah, I'm all over it.
Thank you to John Sharon, Thank you for listening. Your
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Speaker 16 (01:04:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Yeah show. How are they doing it? How do they
keep winning?

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
They're two back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
We're still in this thing. They are alive. We're still
in it. You gotta play the A's next. Let's play
the Rangers. Giants, play the Dodgers. We got the lowly
a's let's call.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
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offenses in baseball?

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Low lias? Interesting?

Speaker 9 (01:05:04):
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Speaker 20 (01:05:10):
Oh boy, Ron, there's no slouch when it comes to
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inches long, tigers are surprisingly adept in the trees.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Love that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
It was like a jungle book vibe. That was that
was That was good. But that's what our show was yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Hey guys, it's Jeff.

Speaker 21 (01:05:42):
Do you remember the old Liberty Mutual commercials with the
old guy fishing with the dollar bill on the line, Yeah,
that's kind of how I feel right now with threads,
the little boys trying to reach that dollar bill, but
that guy, he's never going to reach it. As we
sit two games out of the Wildcard, now sixteen to go, Yep,

(01:06:06):
buckle up here we come.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
That was the famous you gotta be quicker than that.
You gotta be quicker than that. Yeah, almost got it.
That's that's true. That's kind of the old red legs,
isn't it?

Speaker 22 (01:06:19):
Just another Jeff And I'd like to respectfully ask Audie
not to refer to my Ohio University Bobcats as the Bobbies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Oh. I'm sure your intention is not to.

Speaker 22 (01:06:30):
Disrespect such a generable institution of Ohio, but I'm pretty
sure that you wouldn't take kindly to somebody confusing your
men of Columbus with a Kentucky truck stop.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Thank you for your consideration.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Is there a chuck stop in Kentucky named Bobby's?

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
I don't know. I guess that's what he's saying. Seems
like a nice place to go if there is.

Speaker 12 (01:06:54):
Interesting JP fifteen.

Speaker 23 (01:06:56):
Oh, Fellas, I know it's been a while since I'm
provided and talk back, so I figured i'd pop in
I woke up this morning check the Red score and
suddenly they won two out of three in San Diego,
where Stevens typically go to die the left coast, and
I'm like, wait a minute.

Speaker 24 (01:07:13):
We're two games back. So this is your daily dose
of hopium. As long as the Reds are in it,
I'll provide it. Go Reds sweep this weekend. Make it interest.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Shout out to the mall walking grandpa who woke up,
probably put on his walking shoes, maybe headed to Kenwood
Town Center. Maybe he's up in Liberty. I don't know
where he's connected to his jean short, but he's checking
it on the walk. WHOA two back?

Speaker 25 (01:07:39):
Okay for you, Tony, soak it in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Let yourself go.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
All right.

Speaker 26 (01:07:56):
I told you guys, the Reds are on the way.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
The problem is the Reds don't hurt you people that
are all the way back in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
As soon as I hear that and I go to
that place, the calm quickly turns to fomo. I'm like, man,
I missed the beach. Thank you, ken.

Speaker 24 (01:08:16):
Today is a very unique day in the Bengals and
Red schedules. Is the only day in the twenty twenty
five calendar where both teams have sixteen games remaining in
the regular season.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Finish off the seasons strong go Beds all right? From
this From this point on in a sixteen game slate,
who has a better record the Bengals?

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
The Bengals and Reds also have sixteen games remaining on
their schedules tomorrow.

Speaker 27 (01:08:44):
Yeah, this this Red season, It's had more ups and
downs in my second marriage, more ups and downs in
a roller coaster. The Chapman stats unreal by twenty third
is my birthday. That's the first hit he's giving up
and then ungreal happy birthday. Chase Brown only had nine
receiving yards. They gotta up that number, get get him

(01:09:09):
involved as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
I think the ball early and often on Sunday will
be going to Jamar, Chase and Chase Brown in the air.

Speaker 17 (01:09:22):
Start bench cut. What's more likely outcome for Sunday's game?
Bengals win thirty eight to thirty four. Bengals win twenty
one to seventeen. Bengals lose thirty to twenty eight, which.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Is more likely twenty one to seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Still at this point of the season, Okay, interesting, I'm
going to start the Bengals lose because I've said that
all summer. I'm gonna bench twenty one seventeen. I'm gonna
cut thirty eight thirty four. That's all right with you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Sure?

Speaker 28 (01:09:58):
So this question is probably for Tony only because Austin,
I bet my bottom dollar you've never seen Back to
the Future on your part. Go watch that one all
time classics, Tony. Do you remember that picture that Marty
kept in his back pocket with the people and he'd
look at it and they're fading away, and then time

(01:10:19):
was running out, and then all of a sudden, the
people were.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Coming back were getting back.

Speaker 29 (01:10:24):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 10 (01:10:25):
That's this year?

Speaker 17 (01:10:26):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Don't give up yet, man, don't give up to don't
ever give up to the future.

Speaker 26 (01:10:32):
I'm just now getting the tune in, just wondering if
you guys will get it in the Reds any credit today.
I know you've been basking on this past week. It's
played well. It just be a team that has Tripler. Hey,
you are two weeks or two series in run. Yeah,
give him some credit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
I did that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
We do give them. We did that. We do give
them credit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
We've given them credit. Also, they're not in the playoffs
right now, right, this season is a failure. If they
do not advance in the postseason. It is a complete
and utter failure. If they do not reach the postseason.

Speaker 30 (01:11:17):
Last time through the starting rotation, the reds of pitch
thirty two innings, five runs, twenty nine strikeouts. That's good
for a one point four e er, six and a
half innings per start, one earned run per start, and
six strikeouts for a start. Let's see how the as
handle singer Green and Lodolo.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, I mean I like the I like the idea
of getting Green and Lodolo in this series. But as
we'll talk about a little bit more in the third hour.
This oakal or, this athletics team mashes, they mash pitching.

Speaker 31 (01:11:54):
Hey, Audie A, Tony Steve PNW Hey four one nine
two nine to one one.

Speaker 26 (01:12:01):
Right, I was in San Diego.

Speaker 31 (01:12:03):
I just got to mirror Mark at fourteen squadron time
of my life. I'm playing tennis, like in a tournament,
and I'm like, I get over to the get over
the car and listen, I made it to the rig.

Speaker 30 (01:12:16):
Eric Shall gave up the hit.

Speaker 31 (01:12:18):
Jerry Coleman, famous Padre announcer, Oh doctor heard the call.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
People forget for obvious reasons that it was on this
date in nineteen eighty five that Pete Rose broke the record.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Yeah and uh yeah.

Speaker 32 (01:12:35):
Guys, I don't know how the health they keep hanging around,
but the Cincinnati Reds only two games back nearly mid September.
I don't understand it, but I'm here for it. Giants
still have to play the Dodgers this weekend. Met's got
one more with Philly, and then they played the Rangers,
so these are tough competitive teams. And then the Reds

(01:12:55):
of course play the Ace, who are well under five hundred.
So who knows what happens by the time day rolls
around and we hear from you guys again, Let's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Go Reds, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
I'm in favor of the Reds going okay, let's go Reds.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Okay.

Speaker 22 (01:13:09):
Just the clarification, Uh, the Kentucky truck stop would be BUCkies.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
I see what you're saying. The Bies, I see what
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
So he wants to make sure you you use Bobcats.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Yeah, but like people Ohio State fans and not the
Bobby's hold On a second, Ohio State fans and people
around Ohio State. Don't call the Buckeyes the BUCkies. Owe
you fans and people in and around and went to
you and he says, Bobby, Yeah, he says, Bobby's like,
it's it's something that came from them, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
You just can't win.

Speaker 33 (01:13:52):
A Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Good win for the Reds last night.

Speaker 34 (01:13:58):
And definitely we don't underestimate the A's man, tough, tough
offensive team.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Go get some victories, man, see what we can do
at the end of the year. Maybe we can sneak
in who they yep, and if they do Austin and
I can't be there, I'll be going, Nope, no, you won't.

Speaker 35 (01:14:17):
People giving you a hard time, my guy, because they
go to two games out and I know, I know
they're probably not gonna make it. Man, we get it,
we understand that. But can we at least act like
they have a chance until they're out of it. You're
welcome to, man, just give us some missm Like, we
know they probably don't make it, man, but guess what,

(01:14:39):
right now, they got a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
This is the brilliant thing about this though. And I
said at the beginning of the show, our opinions don't
have to be your opinions. Yeah, like, that's just because
Austin doesn't think they have a chance doesn't mean that
they don't have a chance. I we would want them
to go to the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
I don't understand what's so hard about this. I've pretty
much been the same person ever since I've gotten a
chance to be on the air. I'm going to tell
you how I feel and what I think, and I'm
going to be honest with you. You don't have to
agree with that. How I choose to be a fan
is not how you choose to be a fan. Everybody
has their own way of being a fan, and I'm
not here to try to like make people upset or

(01:15:19):
you know, you know what in their corn flakes over it.
I am skeptical and optimistic about it, and I think
part of it you and I had a long form
conversation about this one day, is that we're kind of like,
I think I do this. I protect myself because I
don't want to get my hopes up and get heart broken.

(01:15:42):
So I think of all the different ways that things
can go wrong. And at the end of the day,
they have played one hundred and forty six games, correct,
That is a large sample size to come up with
your own thoughts of who the team is. What is
their longest winning streak of the season, maybe five to
six games. They've not shown an ability to consistently win enough.

(01:16:06):
Can that change? Can they pull it together down the stretch?
I sure as hell hope so, because the city is
even more on fire if the REGs are in the playoffs.
I am comfortable with my assessment of the local ball club.
I hope that it is not true. And I even
posted on my Twitter last night, I said, let's hope
that the run we've all been waiting for is coming.

(01:16:27):
But you know, one d and forty six games, hope.

Speaker 36 (01:16:33):
I believe the man was referring to BUCkies, yes for
the guys, which is not a truck stop. By the way,
they do not even allow trucks there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Yeah, figure, take that. This dude's like, oh for three
against me?

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
Take that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Yes, brisket sandwich. That sounds pretty good right now. You
probably don't like brisket, do you?

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
No? Gosh no?

Speaker 30 (01:16:56):
For the final sixteen games, the Bengals will go nine
and seven, the Reds will go ten and six.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Wow, Well you say, okay, let me let's go on
the record here Thursday, September eleventh, Tony, if our guy
here just told you that the Bengals are gonna go
ten and seven, are you gonna sign up for that?

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Well, they only have sixteen games left.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Well, they've already won one. According to him, they're gonna
go nine and seven the rest of the way. Nope,
which would equal out to ten and seven.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
I don't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
So you're gonna take your chances going elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I don't believe it. Okay, hard to be a good
one tonight. You got Jordan what is love? Oh? And Jaydeen?
Jack Daniels, Oh, head to head, let's go. I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
And it's a white out for the Packers to oh
their winter warning uniforms, that historic lambeaus. That's what they're
trying to say. Okay, I don't think it's gonna be
snow on the ground, although nobody would be surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
If it was. Winter ain't coming here this weekend him,
end of that. Brother, I wish it was all right.
We're done football, the Natties.

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Football in the Natti Next want me, I'm gonna give
you the option. Do you want Joe Burrow press conference
or do you want read and react.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Now we're gonna go read and react. Okay, Third, let's
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Yeah it is. Welcome back. You sounded like you just
took that in the Natty. Ah ah, my goodness. Welcome back.
ESBN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's Sports Station. Um, real quick, we're
gonna play some Joe Burrow audio here from yesterday. Did
anyone ask Jobe about getting the plays in quicker. Yes,

(01:19:25):
it's the first question. Let's hit to it by our guy, James.
Let's repeat, go James, here is some of Joe Burrow
from yesterday when you.

Speaker 33 (01:19:34):
Looked for the most what you did well, you didn't
do it.

Speaker 28 (01:19:38):
I don't think we know how many snaps trapped.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
You know, I got to press the right butt who whoa?

Speaker 17 (01:19:43):
Whoa?

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
What was starting at midway through?

Speaker 33 (01:19:44):
Whoa?

Speaker 17 (01:19:45):
Whoa?

Speaker 16 (01:19:45):
Whoa?

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Here's James's question?

Speaker 37 (01:19:46):
Is anything you guys can pre snap this week?

Speaker 29 (01:19:49):
So pre snap?

Speaker 37 (01:19:50):
Isn't you don't have those kind of communication issues or
frustrations going into Sunday?

Speaker 29 (01:20:03):
You know, I'm not sure we hadn't. We had many
communication issues on Sunday. We had I think we call
two timeouts.

Speaker 38 (01:20:15):
One we lined up in the wrong formation, and I
can't remember what happened on the other one. But you know,
aside from that, I feel like our operation and in
communication and it was pretty sound on Sunday.

Speaker 39 (01:20:30):
From my house when he came up the middle on you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
You take a lot of hits and games. Where's that
one rank in.

Speaker 33 (01:20:36):
Terms of.

Speaker 38 (01:20:41):
I didn't necessarily when you're out there, you don't really
feel much. Let's say that was my best throw of
the day. Everybody likes to show that hit, but not
necessarily where I put the ball in that situation.

Speaker 13 (01:20:54):
I don't think we know how many snaps Travis Hunter
is gonna play on defense yet.

Speaker 29 (01:20:57):
I mean, just one week for him so far. But
did you watch him much in college?

Speaker 33 (01:21:01):
You know much about his game and what have he noticed? Yeah,
I watched.

Speaker 29 (01:21:04):
I watched a lot of Colorado games last year.

Speaker 10 (01:21:11):
Pick.

Speaker 38 (01:21:11):
I feel like the timing and somehow always lined up
for when we were off on Saturdays.

Speaker 29 (01:21:18):
But I got a lot of respect for number one,
what he was able to do in college.

Speaker 38 (01:21:23):
How many snaps he played, the elite level that he
would play at on both sides of the ball when
he was out there. You know, last week he didn't
He didn't play much on defense, So this very limited
tape on that on that end for for me.

Speaker 29 (01:21:38):
So I don't have a ton to say on that front,
But I.

Speaker 38 (01:21:42):
Know what I watched in college and on the defensive
side of the ball, he's his ball skills are obviously great.
That's why he's playing offense too, And he just continuously
made plays, it seemed like in big spots so I
got a lot of respect for for what he did
and how he did it, and I'm excited to.

Speaker 29 (01:22:01):
Watch him in the league.

Speaker 33 (01:22:04):
In the league now that his sylary.

Speaker 29 (01:22:11):
Not really you don't see a ton You don't see
a ton of guys with his.

Speaker 38 (01:22:17):
Ball skill ability playing on the defensive side of the ball.
You know, Trayvon Diggs had the one season with all
those interceptions. But you know, like I said, I haven't
I haven't studied the tape of him on defense from
college and he played.

Speaker 29 (01:22:37):
What was it, three snacks on defense last week, so
I haven't seen a ton of that.

Speaker 33 (01:22:42):
What do you look for the most? What you did well,
you didn't do well?

Speaker 34 (01:22:47):
And and following that up, curious whether or not you
ever looked at and play and think I could have
forced it there and I didn't.

Speaker 38 (01:22:55):
And yeah, I think when you watch it first, you
try to find just try to figure out what happened
on the first time you watch it. You know there's
a lot of stuff going on throughout the game, and
you remember the plays and what happened, but you know

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the film tells a different story, and so you try
to figure out if what you remember happening is actually
what happened on the tape, and then then you look
at how did what they did affect what we did?
Did we do the right thing depending on how the

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defense played? And yeah, there's of course always some plays
that you'd like to have back, and certainly depending on
the situation, there's sometimes one that you could could have
maybe been a little more aggressive with the ball as
opposed to what you did decide to do with it.

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So there's always learning. Experience is from every drive, every play,
every game.

Speaker 33 (01:24:04):
Is there one of two things that you want to
do better this subject?

Speaker 29 (01:24:15):
You know, I think.

Speaker 38 (01:24:19):
I'm gonna be a little more aggressive to maybe get
out of the pocket and make some plays, you know,
just like every game, you want to get out and
see how things are going. How's the defense playing in,
how's their front playing, what coverage is are we getting?

Speaker 29 (01:24:36):
You know, how how are we attacking them so far?
And how is it going? Do we need to change?
We need to keep attacking them the.

Speaker 38 (01:24:42):
Way the way that they are, So I'm gonna be
ready to attack adapt for.

Speaker 33 (01:24:47):
For whatever we see.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
What excites you the most about coming back home and
playing in front of the home crowd, Here is.

Speaker 29 (01:24:53):
This another opportunity. You know, with our this is what
we do I for a living.

Speaker 38 (01:24:58):
This is what we love to do out and try
to put on a show for the people in this
city and in this organization.

Speaker 29 (01:25:05):
And this is another opportunity to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
We have.

Speaker 38 (01:25:09):
I think we had nine home games this year, so
we got nine opportunities to do it. This will be
the first one, and I'm excited for it.

Speaker 33 (01:25:15):
You and Trevor have a relationship all over the years.

Speaker 29 (01:25:17):
Or now just just just talking when we play each other.

Speaker 9 (01:25:21):
So that win over the Jags, your first pro win,
feel like one hundred years ago.

Speaker 38 (01:25:26):
Yeah, one hundred years agoing in yesterday. I certainly remember
a lot about that game, but uh, like you said,
a long time ago.

Speaker 33 (01:25:36):
We would remember anything to stand out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I had, Uh.

Speaker 38 (01:25:42):
We had a pressure from the backside and empty and
somebody was free and I pretending like I didn't see him,
but I did see him, and I made a miss
and wheeled out and got about seven yarns.

Speaker 29 (01:25:53):
That's the one that I remember the first.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
What impressed you about what Jacksonville did this past week.

Speaker 38 (01:26:01):
You can see their energy and physicality on defense. I
think their front is very disruptive. It feels like I
say that every week, but you know, they have a lot,
they have a lot of guys that I respect on
on that front. And they came up with some big
time defensive plays. A safety drove a low cross on
a on a naked and popped it up in the air,

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and guy made a diving interception, and they punched the
ball out in a I think they were up maybe
four to ten or fourteen and and Carolina was driving.
They punched the ball out and got a funbl recovery.
Those are big time plays. So those are things that
you always have to be aware of.

Speaker 29 (01:26:38):
But they put it on tape, so that's something that
we've discussed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
All right. That is Joe Burrow speaking yesterday coming out
of the Browns game, looking ahead to the Jacksonville Jaguars game.
I don't know why, Austin, but one of the things
that you like people talk about like nails on a chalkboard,
when I can hear people consistently typing away on a

(01:27:02):
keyboard while I'm hearing answers that like mentally drives me insane.
Do you hear that at all when they were listening
to those I do. I don't know why but because
I can type on a keyboard or listen to it.
But when he's giving answers, it like drives me nuts.
I think it was one of the unintended consequences. Yeah,
the speaking of the microphones. Yep, but can't have it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
L There was one during his one of his very
first answer, he was like tearing the label off of
his water bottles. Oh my gosh, you couldn't hear anything. Yes, anyway,
So that's what Joe Burrow had to say.

Speaker 20 (01:27:36):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
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Welcome back since he three sixty On ESPN fifteen thirty,
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Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
The Reds have activated from the fifteen day injured list,
right handed pitcher Chase Burns, right handed pitcher pitcher Graham Ashcraft.
They have optioned to triple A Lion Richardson and Yosfer Zulawaita.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Why you always Lion Richardson?

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
So was a huge idea this bullpen, I do Ashcraft
and Burns back to the Cincinnati Reds and the way
Zach Maxwell has been pitching lately obviously Santian. As Charlie
noted on his count, it does give the Reds a
lot more flexibility in the bullpen, which is big in

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a pennant race like this, Let's go or a playoff,
Chase I should say we're here, We're back. By the way.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
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allowed to win it, or else I'd be there all
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By the way, Austin, they do replay it on NFL
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You want to listen to the Reds and you want
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Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Pretty sure it's either US or thirteen sixty. Admittedly I
haven't looked at the sports calendar, but unbelievable. I one time,
I know somebody wants who promoted a TV station that
a game was on on our airwaves and Seg Dennison
lost his mind. Really, so I'm trying to protect you

(01:32:33):
from the wrath of the seg Man oh man. So
just so you know, Seg doesn't like it when you
tell people that games are on TV instead of on radio.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
What do you think Seg would think about maybe reading
and reacting to some things.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
That'd be a great I would love to get Seg
in to get these stats and see what he would say.
We might try to do this every week. It's called
read and react.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I'm not like reading something off paper. Now I'm going
to read it. Okay, you're going to read it too? Different?

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Yeah, this is from our friends at NFL Pro. Oh,
we got four insights. That's where we break in tape
down Jags at Bengals. Are you ready for this? We
asked John Sheeran about what stood out to him about
the Jags. He talked about their run game. Listen to
this tone, read and react. Number one Travis Etn generated

(01:33:24):
one hundred and forty three rushing yards and plus sixty
nine rushing yards over expected on sixteen carries against the
Panthers in Week one, after finishing the twenty twenty four
season with a negative forty three rushing yards over expected.
In the game against Carolina in Week one, he averaged

(01:33:46):
five point eight yards after contact per carry in the game,
the third highest of any game in his career.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Man react well, one, I am. I'm surprised in a
sense because they went into the season in Jacksonville. I
don't think knowing what they were going to get at
the running back position. It felt to me like Etn
was gonna be a guy, but they had a loaded

(01:34:15):
running back room. They obviously traded a running back this
week because they thought they were going to utilize more.
But what it tells me the most is that Etn
is getting into space, that Liam Cohen is getting him
into space, and that he's making the first guy miss.
And if there's one thing we've talked about for a
few years here with the Cincinnati Bengals has been the

(01:34:35):
ability to tackle in space, especially the early part of
the year. Even though they were good against the run
on Sunday against the Browns, I do still think there
were eight or nine miss tackles that I saw. Lance
tweeted out, if you are one on one with Etn
in space, you have got to break down. You've either
got to make a tackle or you've got to slow
him down enough that you can get help to come.

(01:34:58):
The pursuit will be key for the Cincinnati Bengals. But
seeing Etn before, it was kind of who I thought
he was going to be in the NFL and very
very dangerous back in open space. Number two.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Okay, The Bengals offense recorded their lowest explosive play rate
two percent in a game during their Week one victory
against the Browns since twenty twenty, along with their second
lowest single game offensive yards per play two point nine
over that span. The only lower mark two point six,

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also came in Week one against the Browns in twenty
twenty three React Week one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
This team starts extremely slow. There were a litany of
miscues that I think on the offensive side of the ball.
I think the stats, how about this Austin. I don't
even think the stats tell the true story of how
bad the offense was, because we talked earlier about Chain
past Brown and the yards he was able to create,

(01:36:05):
when in reality, according to next Gen, he had minus
forty three yards before contact. He was hit Austin behind
the line of scrimmage on eighteen of his twenty one runs.
Did you know that's incredible? Eighteen of twenty one runs
He's having to make someone miss behind the line of scrimmage.

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This offense was remarkably bad. They were bad in the
run game. They had no rhythm offensively, they were getting
to the line of scrimmage late and not getting in
the right plays. Joe Burrow got hit way too much.
It was a comedy of airs. So I'm not surprised
at the low explosive play rate. What I'm surprised with

(01:36:50):
is that with that, combined with seven yards in the
second half, this team still, somehow Someway found a way
to be one to no number three.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
The Jaguars used motion on sixty eight point three percent
of their snaps in Week one, an increase from their
second lowest motion rate last season of forty eight point
three percent.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Travis Hunter was set in motion thirty five point nine
percent of total snaps, recording two receptions for sixteen yards
and a first down, the highest motion use of any
Jags receiver since last season. The Bengals allowed twenty three
completions for two hundred and six yards on plays with

(01:37:38):
motion in Week one, compared to eight completions for eighty
four yards one touchdown in two interceptions against plays without motion.
Wow React.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
I think motion's one of the biggest things for this
Bengals offense to unlock. And I think if you're putting
motion together for the Jacksville Jaguars, you're running motion with
the idea of getting Trevor Lawrence as much information as
possible before the ball is snapped. You use formations, you
use motions, you dictate what the defense is doing, you

(01:38:13):
get a man's zone indicator, and you move on from there.
I think it's brilliant, especially early in the season, because
defenses are going to show so many different looks that
as they show all these different looks, you still give
your quarterback the tools necessary to succeed. You also give
the receivers the tools necessary to receive. Now, running motions

(01:38:36):
and shifts and formations also requires what austin getting to
the line of scrimmage in time to do all that.
That's a big part of it. But subsequently, on the
other side of the ball, as we talked to John
sharing about he was surprised at the lack of pre
snap motions and formation adjustments for the Cincinnati Bengals. I

(01:38:57):
don't know why they choose not to do it, but
I commend the Jacksonville Jaguars were doing it because I
do think it helps a quarterback, especially early in the season.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Pre snap number four and our final one, the Bengals
generated zero pressures on fifteen dropbacks in the first half
against the Browns, the only game in which they did
not generate a pressure in the first half in the
last five seasons. However, the Bengals increased pressure in the

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second half, registering seventeen pressures, their most in a second
half during that same timeframe. Trevor Lawrence completed fifteen passes
for one hundred and thirty one yards, one touchdown, and
one interception from clean pockets against the Panthers in Week one,
including eight first downs. React.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
I react. I view that as more of Al Golden
trying to get more of a hold on who in
what he has on the defensive side of the ball.
I think in the first half, for the most part,
he was trying to keep things pretty basic, go out there,
play fast, play free, and get the job done. In
the second half, when the game got more tight, they

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needed to continue to get stops. I think he dialed
up a little bit more exotics. I think he moved
guys around. I think he used formations. I think he
used different players in different areas to help generate more
pressure from the Cincinnati Bengals and get Joe Flacco off
his mark way too easy in the first half. But
I think that was just more base defense from Al Golden.

(01:40:35):
I credit that stat to what they did in the
second half, to what Al Golden made the adjustments to do,
and that was finding ways to get more pressure. I
think you're going to see more of that as the
season goes and as Al Golden gets more comfortable with
the group that he's coaching. I think We have to
realize that was his first true game action as a
defensive coordinator with Trey Hendrickson out there with the full

(01:40:57):
complement of weapons, and I think a little bit of
that takes getting used to. I think on the fly,
he's trying to utilize what can guys do best, where
do they struggle? Much like we talk about the scripted plays.
As a decordinator, you've got to see how your guys
are going to react to what you're calling as well,
and I think Al Golden is going to be sorting

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through that as the early part of the season goes,
and I think that's why you see a big disparagy
disparogy from the first half to the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
That does it for Reid and react.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
One final note Bengals wise, at least the injury report
yesterday we'll get an updated one later this afternoon had
just two Bengals on it. One was long snapper William Wagner.
He was a full participant, if you want to call
it that, in practice with a hamstring injury. The other
was right tackle Amarius Mims. Mims popped up with an

(01:41:54):
ankle injury. He was limited in practice yesterday. The Bengals
are on the practice fields right now in preparation for
Jacksonville this coming Sunday, and we will get an update
on that later today. Probably won't be while we are
on the air, but maybe it will be. I don't know,
Ben Baby reporting that Amarius Mims is practicing after being limited.

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Everyone on the fifty three player roster is in uniform today.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Can we go back to the third point you made,
how the motion percentage by the Jaguars was how much?

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
I think it was thirty five point nine percent?

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Well that was for Travis Hunter.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
May I already exited the page, but I can find
it again.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Really, yeah, find it because the pre snap motion is
extremely interesting to me for giving a quarterback an opportunity,
but it also requires, as we talked about already, piggybacking
six getting to eight point three percent, that's almost seven
out of ten snaps. They're using some sort of motion

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and as you said, the Bengals were much better against
the Browns when the Browns did not utilize motion. Correct. Correct,
So if you're the Jaguars, you're coming into this game
thinking of utilizing any high motion rate, I would think.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
Or they don't change at all, right, it's already a
pretty high rate.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
Right, it's already what they do.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
But I'm sure there's a lot of study that goes
into how exactly did the Bengals defense react to a
specific motion and how can we leverage that against them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
And it's not just motion for the quarterback as well,
because in that you mentioned Travis Hunter in particular how
much he was sent in motion for a receiver too.
They're looking at the same thing. Travis Hunter is trying
to learn two very very difficult positions in the NFL
at the same time. If he goes in motion, he
can get a man' zone indicator that might adjust his release,

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it might adjust his route as a post to what
it looks like against zone. So I like the idea
of using a lot of motion, especially when you're sending
a guy like Travis Hunter in motion as much as
they did in order to try to get him more
comfortable as well. All fascinating in different ways to read
and react. Let's take a break.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
I liked that segment.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
I do too. We might do that every week.

Speaker 33 (01:44:22):
I do too.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
I like this.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
I like read and react.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
I like this. When we come back, we haven't done
it yet, so let's react Austin to what the Cincinnati
Reds were able to do last night, where it has
set them up for going forward and uh what else
they can capitalize on. We have some Terry Francone audio
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Speaker 34 (01:46:20):
Man here he comes and a swing a little player
short left. It's falling, it's down for a hit. Hell,
he's around third, he'll score. The left fielder fumbles with it.
Loriano finally picks it up and just runs it back
into the infield. But the Reds have taken a two
to one lead on a blue pinch hit single from
Miguel undue.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Hard Mobo at its finest.

Speaker 5 (01:46:45):
Yeah deals, the O two.

Speaker 19 (01:46:47):
Swing in a messy blew them away with a high heater.

Speaker 5 (01:46:53):
That's it.

Speaker 34 (01:46:54):
Reds win at two to one over the Podres tonight
here at Petco Park, and the Reds have taken the
series two games to one and our two games back
of the met.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
That's good enough for our wind Shulers call of the day.
Shout out to the Reds. Shout out to wind Shulers.
When it comes to tailgate parties, the bold, fresh flavor
of wind Schulers spreadable cheese takes a backseat to nobody,
so make sure there's plenty on hand when the party

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kicks off.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
Now, my understanding is I missed it a couple of
weeks ago when our good friends from wind Schulers stopped by. Yes,
did they bring cheese breads?

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Yes, Now you didn't save any for me? No, they were,
they were. It looked like kind of disappointing, and I
need some for this weekend watching the Bengals and.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
The jag Well. Good thing is you can head to
the dairy section of your favorite grocer store okay or
the supplies last, and you can elevate your taste game
and your party with win Schulder, I might just do that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
I might elevate my taste game.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
You need elevate your taste game along. You need well.
I was, I was a fan of the original in
this sharp cheddar, but you could get bacon or pepper
jack as well.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
This is no joke. And we're not just saying this
because they work with us. If Tony says he likes
the food, yeah, he actually likes it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
And wind Schulers, you know, God love him. Tony hates everything.
He actually likes wind Schuler. There was a you know
what you missed at this time. They brought in all fours.
They brought in the original, the sharp cheddar, the bacon,
the pepper jack. He brought in like some bread and
some pretzels to death. But what I didn't know, don't
tell me there's a halopenia. Know what I didn't know

(01:48:40):
is he brought in grapes. And grapes are I guess,
a way to cleanse the palate in between bites of
the cheese spread.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
They pair well, cheese and grapes. Cheese and grapes, and
these grapes. I don't know if it's because the temperature
was perfect. They were cold, they were large, they were
phenomenal greats. They were cold, yes, large, I was just
they were. They might have been the best grapes I've
ever tasted. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
And have you ever had cotton candy grapes? No, dude, gosh, no,
you should try those.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
I don't like cotton candy, of course, so why do
I like a cotton candy grape? You're the worst. Anyway,
The Reds won last night. You just heard with our
call of the day, thanks to Win Schulders how they won. Also,
we didn't get to it there. Shout out to our guy,
Ellie de la Cruz a Lozardo dailya cruise because Ellie

(01:49:31):
came up to the dish in the eighth inning and
I believe uh, there were two outs because McLean had
struck out, and then Marte grounded out to get Friedel
to second, and then Ellie was able to get TJ.
Friedel in with a single, and then Ellie stole second
and then not allowed for the what led to be

(01:49:54):
the game winning hit from Gail Andrew Harr to left field,
where Ellie de la Cruz was able to score and
the Reds took care of business after that. It wasn't
easy because Santion gave up a double to start the ninth,
but he did get the final three batters out and
the Reds win, They win a series, and with the

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Giants and the Mets loss, they pull within two games
back of the wild card. Uh, we have a just
a ninety seconds, I believe of both Andrew Rabbit and
Terry Francona after last night's win. Let's start Austin with
what Andrew Abbott had to say about the win.

Speaker 40 (01:50:35):
It's great, you know, like we we didn't play it
up to the park and you know at home, and
we knew we're gonna have step up in big ways.
You know, we just you put your down and go
to work and got out one like that. It's gonna
be important, you know down the stretch. We you know,
we still we still hold a way to get in.
So you know, we're just gonna come to the ballpark ready,
and I know the guys are just you know, just
gonna play play hungry and you know, try to go

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out and take.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
It at a few outings.

Speaker 33 (01:50:59):
I know that you've back.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
What was the difference for you tonight? You know, me
and days you're talking.

Speaker 40 (01:51:03):
It was really about getting ahead, winning a lot of
the even council one ones, the os and stuff, getting
you know, first pitch strikes and just being able to
put everything in the zone. You know, I always talked
about execution with me, but you know, I felt like
I probably executed about as good as I have this
entire season tonight and when we really needed it. So
you know, I'm thankful for that. I'm thankful for all
the work that you know, me and Steve O, you know,

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calling the game back there, you know, stepping up big time.
You know, just you know, just back there being a warrior.
You know, just our batteries have been huge for us
this year.

Speaker 21 (01:51:33):
Were equally as satisfied with going eight, knowing that the
pen need not only the pen needed it, but you
guys need it.

Speaker 40 (01:51:40):
Yeah, I mean, you know, every time we go out,
we just want to give the best start and give
the best chance to win. So, you know, whether it's six, seven, eight,
you know, nine, whatever it is, we're you know, we're
just ready to answer the bell. You know, this late
in the season, I think it's important to save the
bullpen when we can, so, you know, heading into an
off they giving those guys to two games or two
days off would be huge and you know, just ready
to rock for the next importance.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Going into last night, Austin in his first nine starts
since the All Star Game, he had a four to
three to O ERA that was down from two to
seven or up from two o seven in the first half.
In his nine starts after the All Star Break leading
into last night, he was zero and five. Last night,
when this team needed it the most, he went eight innings,

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five hits, one on run, and more importantly, he got
his first win of the second half of the season,
a win that the Reds desperately needed. So that was
big from Andrew Abbott last night. Andrew abbittt was not
sharp in his last couple starts. That start against the
start against the Mets four and two thirds five runs.
He had a start against Arizona where he went four

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innings he gave up six runs. He was not as
sharp in the second half as he was in the
first half, but he was phenomenal last night for the
Cincinnati Reds. That was Andrew Abbott. Here is the manager
of the Cincinnati Reds. After last night's win, Terry Frank.

Speaker 39 (01:53:00):
I mean I think one thing the six sticks out
more than anything is habit getting us there. You know,
he gave up the three two fastball to Tatisa. Other
than that and he looked like abbot that you know,
we and if there's a a dent or something along
the way, what happens, you know, doesn't matter. But because

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the way he pitched, we scratched, we clawed, We dunked
a couple in there, you know, but big win for us.

Speaker 30 (01:53:32):
Did we see the Alley effect there in the eighth
and with two strikes two outs?

Speaker 39 (01:53:37):
You know what he kind of and I'll say this,
he has like survival skills like you know what I mean, like, yeah,
I know he doesn't feel good to play. We all
know that, but he fought it off and golly man,
you I mean, and that makes them make some decisions.
And Andrew hard dunked one in there and music's playing it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
It was a great throw from tatus It took a
great slide. Have you seen the video of that or what?

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
How impressed are you with the way Freedom got to
that plane?

Speaker 39 (01:54:12):
Yeah, you know, Tatusa's is everything you're looking for out
there when he goes back. We've seen that he's Athletic.
He's got you know, that's you just know, that's part
of his game. TJ did a really good job.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
All right. So that is Terry Francona. After the Reds
win last night and in doing so bring themselves within
two games of the wild card. They are tied with
the Giants. They are both two games back of the Mets.
For what it's worth, the Giants are off today, the
Reds are off today. The Mets have won more against
the Phillies, and then the Mets over the weekend will

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host the Rangers. The Giants will host the Dodgers, and
the Reds will visit the Athletics. Now, before you think,
and I was guilty of this today as well, Austin,
before you think, well, it's the Athletics. They're sixty seven
to eighty. They're in dead last in the American League West.

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Let it be known that the A's team that the
Reds will play in the next three absolutely crushes the ball.
They are fourth and Major League Baseball in team batting
average at two fifty five. They are one of only
five teams in Major League Baseball to have over two
hundred home runs on the season. They are tied for

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fourth with the Los Angeles Angels. So you can say
what you want about the pitching staff of the Athletics,
which ranks twenty eighth in baseball at a four to
eight to one team. This team hits the ball, and
they hit the ball out of the ballpark. As you
well mentioned earlier, Austin, this is the type of matchup

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that terrifies me then if I'm the Reds, because as
good the Red's pitching is, this team can hit and
it doesn't seem to matter who pitches against the Reds,
they seemingly have more success. This is the type of
series that would worry me because of just how dominant
the A's are on the offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:56:15):
Yeah, I mean, they're well above league average in every
category batting average, on base percentage, slug percentage, WHOBA, which
I know you're a big fan of Whoa Whoa and
Woe Ba Khan. You know what woe Bacan is. That
sounds like a Vengers movie. I don't actually know what
that is. That's the first time I've seen that. But
they're in the top three of MLB apparently three percent

(01:56:35):
whatever that means. But yeah, man, I mean, it's just
it's their strength against the red strength and their weakness
against the Reds weakness in this series. So I'm very
curious to see how it plays out and if the
Reds can get that timely hitting. Yeah, in Sacramento, and
they've struggled in Sacramento specifically, as we've talked about, there's

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been a couple of teams of those weird reverse split.
The Athletics are no different, especially playing in a minor
league ballpark, it's a little bit different for them. They're
not that great there.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
The Reds will have Brady Singer, Hunter Green, and Nick
Lodolo for the Friday Saturday Sunday matchup with the Athletics.
After that they'll stay on the road at Saint Louis.
They'll come home for four against the Cubs, three against
the Pirates, and finished the season on the road in
Milwaukee for three against the Brewers.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
Kind Of lost in the shuffle of football returning and
all the other stuff, them kind of struggling a little bit.
Hunter Green has been a beast. Yeah, since he came back.
He's been exactly what the Reds needed him to be.
Kind of picked up exactly where he left off before
he got injured. He has just been wonderful for this team.
And if you go to Hunter's Baseball Savant page, what

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you want to see is a lot of red, and
you see a ton of red in terms of the
percentile compared to the rest of Major League Baseball. Hunter
and walk percentage, strikeout percentage, fifth percentage, chase percentage, fastball
v low, expected batting average, expected ERA, fastball run value,
pitching run value, breaking ball run value extension, all of

(01:58:17):
it well above league average. He continues to be a
dominant pitcher for this team and they need him to
be there.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
We'll take a break when we come back, Mark, we'll
grab your phone call and then we will go on location.
I believe Mo's on location today, so we'll check in
with him for quick hits as well. All of that's
still coming up between now and three o'clock since he
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Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Welcome back, sixty.

Speaker 17 (01:59:00):
We're rolling along here.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
I re number three. Just a couple of minutes here
before we get to mow Agger for quick hits. With
the few minutes we have, let's take a phone called
Mark is waiting to speak to us. What's up, Mark?

Speaker 11 (01:59:12):
Okay, I'm gonna make a Reds comment, and then I'm
gonna make a Bengals comment, and then we're gonna see
if Boston all more disagree with Okay, how about.

Speaker 10 (01:59:21):
That my Reds comment.

Speaker 11 (01:59:23):
Regardless how the season turns out, I'm just gonna focus
on what I was happy to see that Fredo got
a chance to bat lead off for the whole season,
you know, against left these ant riety's. I wanted to
see that, and I got.

Speaker 10 (01:59:38):
That, and then Jamer was let go. I got that.

Speaker 11 (01:59:42):
So I'm gonna just be happy with the things that
I wanted to see happen instead of focus all the
other stuff that didn't happen, that the up and down
with the team and how inconsistent they are and how
they didn't go get a bad I ain't too much
gonna focus on that. I'm just gonna focus on a
couple of things that I did see that I wanted

(02:00:03):
to see happen, and then in the off season, I
wouldn't be upset. And I can only speak for me.
If they took one of them pictures and flipped it
for a power back, I'd be okay with that because once.

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
Is there any one of the pictures that are untouchable.

Speaker 11 (02:00:25):
That that's a toss up. I mean I would say,
if you're asking me, it's a toss up, I would
say the Nicknack, look the dolo. I would offer him
up first. Yeah, between between the big.

Speaker 10 (02:00:45):
Three, I would offer him up first.

Speaker 11 (02:00:46):
Because once upon a time, the Reds had a chance
to trade Home of Bradley for George Springer and uh
Walt Jockety didn't want to do that trade. So you know,
I look back on that. I mean, George Springer would
look nice.

Speaker 10 (02:01:04):
In the middle of this lineup.

Speaker 11 (02:01:05):
Yeah, so let me but let me let me move
on to my Bengals comment. The only way it's gonna
happen is if the coach is fired.

Speaker 10 (02:01:17):
I mean, I do not agree with him calling.

Speaker 12 (02:01:20):
Plays to some degree.

Speaker 11 (02:01:24):
I buy in to Cleveland's a bad, a tough matchup
for him, you know, division opponents and all this, But
when he called them three pass shotgun plays in the
second half here.

Speaker 10 (02:01:36):
You know what's played. I'm talking about when Burrow got sacked.

Speaker 11 (02:01:40):
I think on three three what I'm saying, yeah, and
he he said that he could have did a better
job of calling a pass play.

Speaker 10 (02:01:53):
That didn't require a deeper.

Speaker 11 (02:01:55):
Route on that last play with Burrow had to jump
over a guy to avoid a safety. I'm listening to that,
and I'm saying to myself, Doug, really, you know, as
long as you've been calling plays, we got to learn
on the job every single year. With this guy, when
it comes to calling plays, it's his situational play calling

(02:02:16):
is making the adjustment when the other team adjust to
what he's doing. I just don't I just don't see
it with him. I would like to see him give
up those duties, but he's not growing to. That's wishful thinking.
And you know, I think the Bengals will have a
better shot at winning a Super Bowl with another with somebody.

Speaker 10 (02:02:40):
Else running that offense. I just don't think it's him.

Speaker 11 (02:02:44):
So and Austin Elmore made a point that me and
him was taking the same on what was the tight
end down the middle of the field. I never down
the middle. Yeah, I mean I thought that's what you use.
The type it is, I mean, it's you know, so
that that was Another thing is with his offfense. It's

(02:03:07):
more about what I don't see with his offense. I
don't see a lot of screen passes. I don't see
a lot of in the middle of the field.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
With the tight end.

Speaker 11 (02:03:16):
I mean, it's everything seems like it's towards the sidelines. Yeah,
you know, so you know, hopefully that gets better because
you know, we got to learn on the job every year,
so we'll see what happened.

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
Thank you, Mark, appreciate that. Yeah. Look, the slow starts
for the offense, It's happened every year. So to think
that I'm going to at this point overreact, especially when
they did find a way to win the game, it
needs to be better. I think that the plays need
to come in quicker. I think that you need to
utilize motion and alignments more. But as much as we've

(02:03:53):
talked about the play calling the early part of the season,
when this offense gets going, they almost become unstoppable. So
he is also going to get some credit for that.
So by history, I'm gonna wait and see if this
team can figure it out. If they can find ways
to win games still while the offense is struggling and
finding his rhythm, then that's just icing on the cake
for the Bengal squad. Austin, you have already mentioned this

(02:04:16):
year and maybe the time has already passed. You were
a proponent of moving Nick Lodolo early in this season.
M hm, though this should have traded him before the deadline.
Would you have a problem moving him in the offseason?
Is there picture pitchers that are untouchable for you, Chase
Burns and Hunter Green, anyone else You're you're listening Rehet Louder,
pretty much everybody else on the roster. I'm listening. Okay, Yeah,

(02:04:38):
if you can move Lodolo, I'm good with that. I
don't think you can touch Burns. I don't think you
can touch Hunter Green. I think you still want to
get and see more of Rhet Louder to see what
he can be. But again, I don't think because he
hasn't been able to pitch and there's been injuries, I
don't think you're gonna get a big haul for Rehet
Louder anyway, So I don't think that would make it

(02:04:58):
worth it in that sense. We'll take a break, we'll
come back. Mowaga.

Speaker 3 (02:05:01):
Where's moat today? Mo is at the LPGA Queen City Championship,
I think is what it's called. Okay, which is up
there at TPC River's Bend, and uh yeah, well we'll
check in with him. Canna talk to Kelly Norda. According
to Seg Dennison, Okay, Kelly Norda, Well, that'll happen during

(02:05:24):
his show. He'll join us for Quick Hits next on
the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
This is Dave Blacklock and you're listening to the Home
of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
It's time for Cincy three sixty Quick Hits on ESPN
fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
Was looking for mo what's up? We are, We're back, Well,
we're in studio. Mo is not in studio today. He's
gonna tell you right now where he's at and what
he's doing. What's up?

Speaker 5 (02:05:50):
Ma, Let me get this straight. Nicolodolo has been their best.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
Picture since to move him.

Speaker 7 (02:05:57):
And he's gonna make probably less than what a Hunter
Green is looking this year next year, and we want
to move him for a power bat that you could
go sign in free agency because we're in love with.

Speaker 5 (02:06:08):
A guy who hasn't pitched it all this year.

Speaker 2 (02:06:10):
Move them.

Speaker 3 (02:06:11):
Because they won't sign a guy in free they're not
gonna sign agency. You might as well trade him. That's
my perspective.

Speaker 7 (02:06:17):
So let's let's think differently. Then, let's think differently, and
instead of trading away guys in order to acquire capital,
let's spend some of that money and go acquire those
Take into the pockets of those other twenty owners they
have and ask them to call up some does so
we can go get an established power hitter.

Speaker 3 (02:06:37):
To think differently. But they don't.

Speaker 7 (02:06:38):
That doesn't come at the that doesn't come at the
expense of their greatest asset, which is really good starting pitching.
This franchise, which over the last forty years has done
a terrible job of developing starting pitchers. They get here,
they're established, they're they're they're they're there. We got guys
having a great year. Let's move them. Okay, If if

(02:06:59):
if that's what they do, there should be a riot.
If the only way to get a slugger is trade
away what they have, fold the shot man. Yeah, like
legitimately the conversation, and I get it, man, you're looking
at it through their lens, and you know it's unlikely
they go spend money. The capital they should spend isn't
human capital, it's green. They got plenty of it. Spend

(02:07:20):
it and go get a slug.

Speaker 2 (02:07:21):
Do you trust that they will spend it?

Speaker 5 (02:07:26):
I don't know. I don't know that.

Speaker 7 (02:07:27):
I'm not going to issue a blanket statement and say
they're not. The last time I think they felt like
they were in a position to like.

Speaker 5 (02:07:35):
Really go for it.

Speaker 7 (02:07:36):
They did spend money, spend more money than they ever
had in the history of the franchise, and they knew
a lockout was coming. Similar dynamic here, right, a lockout
is coming. There's going to be a workstoppage, probably at
the end of next season. They have drawn well relative
to their own projections over the last couple of seasons.
I refuse to subscribe to the belief that the only

(02:07:56):
way that you can make the offense better next year
is and look, I get it, you trade away from
your surplus if there's a guy you can go get.
I do understand that they've done that before, and they've
done that with success, But I hate the idea that
we're just automatically defaulting to who do you trade instead
of what do you spend?

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
What do you got coming up? Where are you at today?

Speaker 7 (02:08:16):
We are at the Kroger Queen City Championship presented by PNG.
The LPGA Tour is in town Nice. So here's what
I'm dealing with right now. We have a setup right
off the eighteenth hole. We are directly across from the
members area here at TPC at Rivers Bend High Society

(02:08:37):
is about fifteen feet away from me. Okay, the upper
crust of northern Cincinnati is a very very small chip
shot away. Now I cannot cross this concrete pavement because
it says members area. So these are we're talking about
well healed folks. Now, sitting at a table about twenty
feet from me are five people, four men. Three of

(02:09:01):
them are enjoying cigars. I enjoy smoking cigars as much
as you love talking about motions and shifts free snap.

Speaker 5 (02:09:10):
So I've got two cigars with me that I.

Speaker 7 (02:09:12):
Got from a Leaf to Ash cigar lounge on the
east side of Cincinnati. I got some good West Tampa cigars.
Am I gonna be able to fire one up? That's
the question we're doing. You do know a member, you
work with a member I do, you might be able
to see if he could hook you up.

Speaker 2 (02:09:31):
Are you how close are you to the eighteenth Green?

Speaker 5 (02:09:36):
I could hit this with like a fifty eight degree.

Speaker 2 (02:09:38):
Because I'm saying like, if you get if you get animated,
and you get into something that you're talking about, but
there's a key putt happening, are they gonna shush you?

Speaker 3 (02:09:46):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:09:46):
Good point.

Speaker 7 (02:09:47):
You know, it's a fair question. I don't think so.
We have some tents kind of separating us from the
eighteenth Green. But what I'm wondering is if there's an
errant approach shot and it goes a little deep, gets
me right in the back of the head, I should
have a marshall here.

Speaker 2 (02:10:04):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (02:10:07):
How many people are going to back off because mom,
what do you have?

Speaker 5 (02:10:18):
Oh God, we have a little bit of everything. Today.

Speaker 7 (02:10:20):
We're going to talk to some folks here with the tournament,
we're going to go to Jacksonville. I think the Jacksonville
Jaguars are maybe the most interesting team in the NFL.
They played the Bengals on Sunday. You may have heard
we'll talk to some football gambling with Lee Stirling, Chad
Brendall and the Bearcats. Dan Klaskins Fantasy football. Our guy
Robert win trop Cincinnati Magazine has awesome Bengals column is
a must read for Bengals fans, and our friend Cam Miller,

(02:10:42):
the greatest filmmaker of all time, has a Cincinnati Reds
film that is an absolute must. It details how the
only way to build a championship team is trade away
all your good players.

Speaker 5 (02:10:56):
Huh, we're doing.

Speaker 7 (02:11:01):
The middle of a playoff push can think they are good?
Going for him starting its trade.

Speaker 5 (02:11:05):
Them all away? Jason Williams. Jason Williams wants to trade
away you guys. You guys want to trade away Nico?
Does you?

Speaker 3 (02:11:15):
If you rewind to our conversations leading up to the
trade deadline, I said, Nicolodola's value is as high as
it's ever been. I still don't trust him to be
perfectly healthy and consistently on the mound, and so for
that reason I would trade him. And a week later
he got hurt and he missed a good chunk, and
the Red struggled because they didn't have him. To your point,

(02:11:39):
and I understand where you're coming from but I'm open
to it. Is the point trust Louder's health, No, I
don't trust his either.

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
I love what I've seen from Chase Petty though, Oh.

Speaker 5 (02:11:50):
Yeah, he's been awesome too.

Speaker 2 (02:11:51):
Yep, just batting practice.

Speaker 5 (02:11:54):
I just that that mindset, I I I hate it.

Speaker 7 (02:12:00):
Hey, the only way to make the team better is
to trade away from a strength, yep, especially when that
strength is cheap and not gonna walk anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (02:12:08):
If they would have, but if they would have done it,
if they would have moved on from Lodolo for a
bat at the deadline, would they be in a similar
situation they're in. Would they be better? Would they be
worse off? What do you think they would be at
if they added another power back?

Speaker 7 (02:12:23):
Well, I think they probably offensively would have been fine.
Who would be making those starts?

Speaker 2 (02:12:29):
Zach Ltel?

Speaker 5 (02:12:31):
Oh they acquired him anyway?

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
Nick Martinez?

Speaker 7 (02:12:34):
Like Nick Martinez, who we couldn't wait to move back
to the bullpen?

Speaker 5 (02:12:40):
How about this?

Speaker 7 (02:12:40):
How about going to the season not needing trade deadline
acquistion bone of your team?

Speaker 5 (02:12:45):
How about that?

Speaker 15 (02:12:47):
Like it?

Speaker 5 (02:12:48):
Just again, I.

Speaker 7 (02:12:50):
Understand you're looking at it through their most likely lens,
which is we'd rather trade away you know, player capital
and deal from a surplus than spend money. I get it,
You're you're you have to operate within the framework of reality.
And the more realistic scenario is if they acquire our bat,
it's because they trade it away from their surplus. I
think the better way to do it is to, like,

(02:13:11):
you know, go ask those other owners for money, which
they've never done, and go find a bat. Kyle Swarper's
out there, dude, like you shake your head and say,
they're not going to do it well. Maybe the problem
is we accept the fact that they're not going to
do it well, but.

Speaker 2 (02:13:26):
What good would Kyles Swarmer be? They don't we're not
going to value we don't value home runs.

Speaker 7 (02:13:32):
Again, Like that's I also share that frustration too. Man,
we've convinced ourselves home runs are bad. But if you
want them, you got to trade away a franchise that
has developed, like two homegrown starting pictures of my adult life,
they've finally got a few, trade them away.

Speaker 3 (02:13:49):
What have they really done well over the last thirty years.
They don't develop good outfielders. Jay Bruce, Okay, they haven't
done a lot. Well, we've done that the whole, Their
whole approach to team building is backwards. It's failed, yes,
over and over and over again.

Speaker 7 (02:14:06):
There have been more position players who have developed them
who have emerged as like who have established themselves once
they have been a ton admittedly have been a ton.
They've been better at developing position players for fifty years.
This goes back to the seventies of my in my
adult life, they're homegrown like dudes. Mario Soto came up
in the late seventies, Tom Browning who was a rookie

(02:14:28):
in nineteen ninety five, and Johnny Cuato now Luis Castillo
started with two other organizations, ended up being really really good.
Homer Bailey, I would say, ended up having a decent
run here too. There have been more homegrown position players
who have established themselves than pitchers, even when they were
good in the you know, in nineteen ninety Jose Rio

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came from elsewhere, Danny Jackson came from elsewhere, and so
they've been really bad at that for such a long time.
They're finally, because of their own dumb luck drafting her,
they're finally they've got this one thing they're they're good at.

Speaker 5 (02:15:03):
They've been good at in decades.

Speaker 7 (02:15:05):
Twenty second, let's cut into it instead of going to
getting a free agent.

Speaker 5 (02:15:09):
It just I hate it.

Speaker 2 (02:15:11):
Mo I have a great show this afternoon, just yell
out for at random time. Oh my god, I will
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rest of your Thursday. We'll do it again Tomorrowky Cincinnati.

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