Cincy 360 w/ Tony Pike & Austin Elmore -- 10/1/25

Tony and Austin talk with NKU basketball players, Mo Egger, and more. Plus, recapping the Reds loss, and reacting to Zac Taylor's confidence in Jake Browning on ESPN 1530!

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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thank you for spending part of your afternoon with us
here on the SPA fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We
have a lot to get to today.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Obviously, before we get to anything today, Austin, can we
talk a little bit about what's going on the end
of this week.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
We got to tell you about Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, fridayah is a big deal because we get to
take our show on the road and we've talked many times,
many times about the joy that we feel being able
to take our show on the road and Friday, thanks
to our friends at Pellow Windows and Doors, we will
be live from the twenty twenty five Home Marama at

(01:35):
Foundry Park at three Oaks in Oakley. Let's go me
you yeah, from the rooftop of a beautiful heritage homehouse.
This is going to be Friday from noon to three.
We're going to talk as we normally do Friday Football Frenzy,
all things sports and all things home Marama, and we'll
get to do so Austin with current Home build Association

(01:58):
President and for NFL great and bear Cat great Andre Fraser.
Let's go phrase, big phrase is going to be in.
It is going to be a ton of fun. I'm
told there's a golf simulator somewhere. There's a golf simulator.
I think in the basement of this.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I need to get some swings in.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
We'll get down there and get some swings. If you're
not familiar with Home Rama, it's a luxury home showcase,
so These homes are going to feature Pellow Windows and Doors,
seven custom homes, seven custom homes in that foundry Park
at three y Oaks Development in Oakley. The event itself
runs from September twenty seventh to October twelfth.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Austin.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Homes are priced between about one point four and one
point seven mil any bad. Visitors can tour the homes
and see the latest in design, smart technology amenities, and
also have some nice food, drinks, live music.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
And us.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Let's do it on Friday. Can't wait, Let's do it
thanks to our friends at Pellow Windows and Doors. I'm pumped.
I am too. It looks like a really really cool thing,
Oh my gosh. And to be able to do it,
are we actually on a rooftop?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
I believe. So let's go. I'm gonna need to bring
some Is this our first rooftop show? I think so.
I was out in the sun this weekend in my
head h fried Yep, yep. We also do I go hat?
Do I go sunscreen? I just shaved the other night.
I don't know good problems to have rooftop problems rooftop rooftop.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's where we'll be on Friday. We'll get today in
just a moment. Also news for tomorrow Austin, the quarterback
of the Cincinnati Bearcats, Brendan Soarsby will join the program.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Let's go Brandon at twelve thirty. All right, so some
people in this some people call him Brandon Soarsby. Yeah,
I've heard that it's Brendan, though it is Brendan.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Brendan Soarsby right now, viewed as one of the best
quarterbacks at all of college football. He's going to join
us tomorrow at twelve thirty. So you've got the schedule
coming up. Let's get into today. Zach Taylor speaks to
the media.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
I'm curious to know what Zach's gonna say. Zachi ballgame.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think there are three things that can happen with
the Cincinnati Bengals right now. I think they can go rebuild,
and they could sell some pieces that they have. I
think they can lean into making an addition and trying
to get this locker room rallied that they are still
trying to make a run at this thing at two

(04:25):
and two, or they come out and they just pitch
status quo. We still believe in Jake, locker room is
still behind him, which if you watch the film. I
don't know how you can think that, but we'll hear
something like that. I'm sure today when we play Zach
Taylor's press conference, out of all three of those options, Austin,

(04:46):
I think status quo would be the most worriesome. I
just don't think that that's the way to go. We'll
expand on that as we go. Today. We have NFL
Week five and College Football Week six that we can
start to look ahead to. FC Cincinnati is at New
York on Saturday to take on the Red Bulls. There's

(05:10):
a new quarterback in Cleveland. It's not Sador Sanders, it's
not Joe Flacco. It's Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel is your
new quarterback of the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Last night.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yesterday, Tigers win, Cubs win, Red Sox win. Did you
see what happened in the top of the ninth in
the Cubs game with.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
The clock, Yes, I did. I was watching that. Two outs.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Xander Bogarts is up to the bat and Keller, the pitcher, steps.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Off the rubber. Yeah, he can't do that when nobody's
on base. So Xander steps out of the box. Keller
then steps back on and goes to pitch and the
yump didn't grant a reset and gives a strike to
Xander Bogart's madness madness in the night. Well, and then
they they convened, all the umpires convened and they realized,

(06:05):
yep I screwed up. I don't know, they should have
allowed him to do that. So instead of charging Xander
Bogart to strike, they just charged him his time out,
so he didn't have any timeouts left in the at bat.
So they did rectify their wrong. They don't know what
they're doing, but not a surprise for Major League umpires.
How about last night getting ready for the Reds and
Dodgers to start, and the Red Sox have a three

(06:28):
to one lead, and here comes the rold As Chapman
for a four out save and he allows the first
three base runners in the top and the bottom of
the ninth to reach base. What does Chapman then do.
He remembers Austin that he now locates his pitches. He
doesn't just throw him anymore, He locates him, got the
strikeouts necessary, ends the game. Does not allow one of

(06:50):
the runners to score when the bases were loaded with
no outs. Yeah, Chapman is so good. Aaron Boone rough
night for him, pulling Max Frey up a little bit
early and then they give up the go ahead run
there to Boston and then Eraldus Chapman to figure it
out after going bases loaded, nobody out bottom nine and
Yankee Stadium waiting to erupt. Was pretty dagon impressive for

(07:15):
uh eraldist chats. He's so good. We saw a lot
of former Reds kind of pitch into trouble yesterday, including
but not limited to Luke dream Leaver Eraldis Chapman. I
feel like there was one other guy too that was
pitching a former Red that I'm do you know, anking
on at the moment. You know off the top of
your head what eeraldesst Chapman's gr was in the regular season.

(07:38):
It was something like two one point. Oh, that's bad.
That's not bad. Pitched in sixty five games or sixty
seven games and gave up eight runs. It's pretty good.
Unbelievable from the Cuban missile. Garrett Crochet was awesome. Unbelievable,
fantastic Red Sox are fun to watch. Man that sets
up obviously for elimination game today. Yeah, Tigers, Guardians Guardians

(08:02):
gotta win that one to stay alive. Padres have to
beat the Cubs to stay alive. Yankees have to beat
the Red Sox and then Austin. It was fun to
see the way Cleveland lost yesterday. Yeah, because they got
a leadoff runner on third in the bottom of the ninth,
contact tying run and then they lost on the contact
play on a ball back to the pitcher. That was
pretty cool. And and for it to be Jose Ramirez.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Do you have an athlete that you just dislike and
you don't have a good reason. I've always disliked the
Audio Molina Jose, Well, there's good reasons for that. Jose Ramirez,
by all intensive purposes, is a great guy, fun teammate.
He's beloved in Cleveland. For whatever reason, I cannot stand him.

(08:44):
I root against him openly, okay, And it brought me
a lot of joy to see him have a big
mental blunder like that yesterday. Ye gotta love the contact play.
I admit I have no real reason for disliking Jose Ramiroz,
but I do.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Gotta love the contact play. We will obviously dive into
what happened, like.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Can we talk about it with the Reds nine minutes
into the show, we haven't.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, normally, the first segment we just kind of tease
what's happening in the show today, and then we dive
into I need of it.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
I'm itching to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, a lot of people were riching for the game
to start, a lot of people would wait a long time, Austin, years, months, days,
minutes for the Reds to be back in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Did you know teams that have lost the first game
since they've gone to this wild card format have never
won the series. Oh oh, well, that's not ideal. Opportunity
to change history. Opportunity knocks to make history. Actually, opportunity
knocks for check my notes, Zach Lttel.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
We'll get to that. We'll talk about today's matchup before
we do that. Austin, last night, I am shocked, hand
up that the Dodgers were able to win that game
last night while hitting so many rally killing home runs.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
That's what it was last night. It was home run
derby in Los Angeles. The defensive metrics of the players
you have on the field don't matter much when they
hit the ball over the fence.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, sho Heyo Tani did it twice. Ti Oscar Hernandez
did it twice, and the Reds got themselves in a
one nothing hole after Otani led the game off with
a home run that went to a five nothing deficit
after Taoscar Hernandez and Tommy Edmund homer in the third inning.

(10:37):
Hernandez did it again in the fifth, Otani did it
again in the sixth, and the Reds, after six innings,
faced an eight run deficit. They did fight, They did
scratch and claude. They did get the tying run to
the on deck circle twice last night, all for nothing,
though they end up losing the game ten to five.

(10:58):
I think even I think even more Austin harmful to
the Reds yesterday is that they got beat like that
with their ace on the mound. Yeah, everything was made
about getting Hunter Green to game one, because as long
as you got Hunter you got a chance. And as
long as you're in and you got the Reds starting pitching,

(11:18):
you got a chance. Hunter Green did not live up
to the moment last night for the Cincinnati Reds.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Didn't live up to it. Didn't show up whatsoever. Nope,
And that's disappointing. And as somebody that has long been
a fan of Hunter Green and want him to be
that guy and to have that moment and to emerge
as a Reds legend. The moment was too big for
him last night felt like it. That's what it felt like.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
And I was told by a lot of people and
with Mo yesterday we talked to Doug Lanville. Doug Lanville said,
the moment will never be too big for Hunter Green.
It call it what it did. It felt too big
for him last night.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
And you know, it's really not the first time either,
if you I mean any time it feels like like
in the biggest of moments that the Reds have needed
Hunter Green, it hasn't really been there. And that's disappointing.
Even go back to when he appeared in the All
Star Game last summer, gave up a bomb immediately and
did not look like himself whatsoever. So I don't know

(12:15):
if there's something there with with Hunter in the big moment,
I don't know, And like he not being up to flow,
his heart rate down or whatever. But that was that
was difficult.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
There was a video Charlie Clifford posted a couple of
days ago. It was Hunter Green walking on the field
and he goes up to the mound and he bends
down and he kisses the mound.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Did you see the video.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
It's like he's he's building for the big moment, but
when the big moment got there, he just he didn't
show up. And you could tell Austin when a picture
is pressing because he wasn't close with his missus. Right,
if you're if you're just missing the zone, maybe you
can get somebody to chase. His misses were bouncing, his
misses were hitting the backstop.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
He just wasn't close. Yep.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
And with a group of hitters like the Dodgers, good luck.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, they're sitting there and they're saying, okay, well this,
if this dude comes in the strike zone, I'm gonna
hammer it. Yep. And he did, and once he came
in the strike zone, they hammered him.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Shout out to Scott Barlow who came on last night
and two thirds four strikeouts. Connor Phillips did not have
a great outing. Brent Soudter did not have a great outing.
Graham Ashcraft worked around two hits late in the game.
But yeah, they I don't know how much they were
going to get to Blake Snell Austin. They had a

(13:34):
moment early McClain doubled, freedom walked, and Noelve Marte waved
as bad as you could at three balls outside of
the zone, but he wasn't close on it. Just they
missed the early opportunities, and by the time the third
inning ended, you felt like it was already done well.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
As we talked about yesterday, there there's gonna be this
balance between the approach of being aggressive against Blake Snell
when you know he's gonna fill up the zone because
he needs to keep his pitch count down and he
doesn't want to get to the bullpen, and also putting
together a good at bat while also being aggressive. And

(14:12):
so what happened He threw some early fastballs the red
swung at them, which is partial like he was gonna
go nine innings and pitch seventy pitches. And he adjusted,
and so he started a lot more, especially to right handers,
a lot more off speed away, off speed down in
a way, and the Reds didn't feel like we're trying
to take those pitches the other way. They were still

(14:34):
trying to kind of pull them right over the shortstop,
not really trying to slap them over the first baseman,
slap them into that right center field gap and you're
just gonna miss those, and he's just gonna keep going
outside if you keep swinging at them. Noelvie Marte terrible
approach of the plate has had a terrible approach to
the plate for the last couple of weeks. Austin Hayes
did not look great, Miguel and Oharr was not great,

(14:55):
and Blake Snell did a masterful job of Hey, if
the Reds are gonna keep swinging at these, go away,
I'm gonna keep throwing them. And it wasn't until later
on where the Reds started to wait him out a
little bit. Then got to the bullpen and they were
extremely patient and they mounted a little bit of a comeback,
but by that point it was too late.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yep, you closed the book on last night. And the
one thing now about this wild Card series. You are
immediately back tonight, and this team has had their backs
against the wall for much of the season. They're gonna
have to find a way to come out fighting. If
they want to extend the season, They're gonna have to
do it against to Austin Yoshi, Nobu Yamamoto.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
That's right, Yoshi Nobu Yamamoto.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, pitching Sensation Yoshi Nobu Yamamoto.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
He's from Japan, Yes, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
And he's pitching Star Yoshi is Yoshi, Yoshi, Yoshi Nobu Yamamoto.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Thank you, SEG.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
That's the guy. Thank you, SEG. That's who's pitching tonight.
Let's take our first break when we come back.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Austin's pitched Star yoshim Is Yoshi Yoshi Yoshi Nobu Yamamoto.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
That's him. Thank you, that's him.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
We'll talk tonight's game and welcome in your phone calls next.
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Speaker 6 (16:26):
On Otanni green pick and Frank's a right.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Field by o'tanni.

Speaker 7 (16:30):
It is deep and it is.

Speaker 8 (16:32):
One nothing dobbery, one hundred mile an hour fastball right
on the inside corner and Otani turned on it drives
it out of here, just over the right field wall.
One nothing.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
La Philip sets throws the pitch and Otani cranks it
this ball hammer hi deep and I mean way deep
to the fact of the bleachers out in right center field.
Otani has his second home tonight. That's one, a two
run shot.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, I thought that second one might leave the stadium
for a moment. The sound off off his bat is
just it's different.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
What I learned last night. And he's a good baseball player.
He's pretty good, that Otani guy. That, speaking of good,
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Speaker 3 (17:31):
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Speaker 3 (17:51):
That's our call of the night.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yoshi Nobu Yamamoto takes the mound for the Dogs tonight, Austin.
He saw the Reds one other time this year. Yes,
do you remember the game?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
July twenty eighth, do you remember who went against him? No,
Chase Burns. Oh remember that that string of starts Chase
Burns had to start his big league career.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I do.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yamamoto went seven, four hits, one earned run. The Reds
had a chance to to do some damage in the
top of or in the bottom of the first, but
they did not hit with runners in scoring position, which
has been a problem for much of the year. Really,
the Dodgers won that game five to two. Yamamoto was

(18:38):
really good in that one. But they haven't seen the
Reds with Zach Lytel yet. That's true, So take with
that what you will. Okay, what do you make.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Of I like everybody in the Reds Basically everybody in
the lineup had a hit that day. Friedel doubled off
of Yamamoto. That was a rare Will Benson starts, so
maybe we'll see him start tonight. Okay, what do you
make of Zach Lateel being the guy tonight? I don't

(19:11):
love it, but I understand it. I mean, your bullpen
is very fresh. You didn't have to use Santian or
Pagan last night. You went down so badly that Brent
Souter got some time to try to save you a
couple of innings. I mean, I've never thought that this
game was, Hey, let's see how long Zach Lateel can pitch,

(19:34):
because you know, Francona basically said that yesterday and I
played that at the end of the show that you know,
I think it's kind of going to be a bullpen day, yeah,
and I would imagine that the the leash for Zach
Ltel is very very short. Yeah, tonight, just because of

(19:56):
how fresh that bullpen is. Zach ly Tel.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Is worrisome to me, Austin because of the amount of
times he's given up home runs. Sure right, gives up
a lot of them. He gave up thirty six this
season in only thirty two games that he appeared in,
So that to me is worrisome when he does give
up and he is susceptible to giving up the long ball.

(20:25):
And I understand, and we talked him about this today,
and I get MOS's point as well of you know,
if you're going to win the series, you would still
have to win tomorrow as well. I would just like
to find a way to get to tomorrow, right, And
I think it's going to be hard for some people
to fathom if you lose with Lttel and your all

(20:46):
star pitcher didn't even get a chance to pitch in
the wild card round in Andrew Abbot, Right, Like, I
get if you find a way to win tonight and
you get Abbot tomorrow, that might give you an advantage,
But can you get through tonight if you're not throwing
Andrew Abbit Especially it gets a lineup with some really
good lefties.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
It's gonna be a tough pill to swallow if they
get eliminated. And Andrew Rabbitt never pitches in the postseason, right,
And I understand the whole process here of you know,
we're gonna throw everything we can at them tonight, obviously
because it's an elimination game, and then we're gonna trust
our guy in Game three. I hear that. I know

(21:22):
it would be three days rest for Abbot if he
were pitching tonight, but that's not uncommon in the postseason.
We've seen guys do that on three days rest several
times in the past, and then it's all hands on
deck for tomorrow. So it appears that the way that
Terry Francono is gonna do it is similar to the
mindset of, well, we're gonna have Hunter Green for game

(21:43):
one when we make the playoffs and play the Dodgers. Now,
clearly it didn't work because Hunter Green didn't have it.
Hopefully Andrew Rabbit gets a chance to do it tomorrow night.
But it is certainly a risk. But if anything, your
bullpen is fresh and that does give you a chance.
And I think we'll see a lot of Nickelodolo tonight
against those lefties, And you know that's going to be

(22:03):
interesting because Dolo came out of the bullpen Sunday and
did not look great. He was on short rest after
being nasty, I believe the previous Thursday. So it will
be short rest for him as well. But I believe
they've been kind of preparing him for this and that's
kind of the plan. And I would imagine his sample
size is going to be relatively short, and it'll be
going up against Freddie Freeman, Max Munci and show Heyo Tommy.

Speaker 9 (22:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
I went back his last start against the Brewers. He
only threw eighty five pitches, did have it, so it's
not like he was taxed for one hundred and ten pitches.
He went five and a third. I find it hard
to believe. If you want to him and said I
we need you today, he'd say I can't do it today.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah. And I don't think that's what's happening, right. I
don't even think there's an approach. I don't either.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I just think this is what we're going to do.
This is what we set out to do them, We're
going to stick with it regardless of that. How different
in your opinion you expect the lineup to look like
against now a right hander and Yama Modo, I mean
moboyed the point last night? How and in what world

(23:07):
does Key Brian Hayes bat and then the next Daying
south Stewart replaces him defensively?

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, that to me was the biggest ERA two.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Runners on base last night, Key Brian Hayes coming up,
Tito Francona let Hayes hit and then puts south Stewart
in for Hayes.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, on defense. Yeah. And if you think about it,
so we're talking about the seventh inning, Austin Hayes, Hayes singled,
Spencer Steers singled, Ellie de la Cruz had an RBI
on a fielder's choice, and Tyler Stevenson doubled, so the
Reds were now down six. It was eight to two.
At this point there were two runners on Ellie de

(23:43):
la Cruz and Tyler Stevenson, and Key Brian Hayes coming
to the plate. This would have been a perfect time, yeah,
to go to South Stewart on the bench, still going
up against Blake Snell at that time, to go left
the on righty and keep Brian Hayes, as we all know,
has returned offensively to the level he was at when

(24:04):
he was at Pittsburgh, which is atrocious. And instead, for
some reason that I still do not understand, he allows
Key Brian Hayes to hit and then in the bottom
of the seventh inning replaces Austin Hayes with Spencer Steer
and Spencer Steer with Sal Stewart. So, if you're going

(24:29):
to put Sal Stewart into the game the next inning anyways,
why would you not put him in in that situation?
And what makes it even more maddening is that later
in the game, with the bases loaded, who comes to
the plate, Key Brian Hayes and he pops out to

(24:52):
end the Red's threat when they got within five. Yep,
they did.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Have chances that Tyler Stevenson swings at four bad pitch
or three bad patch with the bases.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Look, they had some chances late.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
They worked their offense better than I thought they would.
Willie Cunningham came in today and said, if I told
you last night that the Hunter greens on the mount
and the Red score five runs, you thought you had
a good chance of winning. It worries me with a
team that's seen the ball really well. Obviously, with the
Dodgers against the pitcher and Lattel who gives up the
long ball. It worries me about an early deficit and

(25:24):
what pressure that puts on tonight.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
And you know the other thing too, with Terry Francona.
He revolutionized the way that teams handle pitchers in the postseason,
and specifically a bullpen. And that's how Francona made a
name for himself and that's how he won World Series
in Boston, and he deserves a ton of credit for that,
and it's why he has pelts on the wall. That

(25:47):
being said, however, there needs to be a similar type
of urgency when you have an offensively deficient team, and
that's what the Reds are. They are not good enough
offensively to hang with the Dodgers, and so his idea
of defense early, offense late, I think is backwards. It

(26:07):
needs to be offense early, defense late and try to
protect the lead, especially against that offense. And I have
a hard time grasping why he chooses to do this.
And I don't know if it's strictly Francona. I don't
know if Nick Krawl is involved in these decisions. I
know that historically Krawl puts his nose in a lot

(26:28):
of this stuff when it comes to the game by
game stuff. So I can't imagine he's second guessing Terry Francona,
but I just disagree with the way that he has
approached it so far. Yeah. I had a chance to
talk to Doug Glanville with Moagar yesterday, who said the
same thing Austin. In his opinion, you go offense early,

(26:48):
defense late against the team as powerful offensively as the Dodgers. Yeah,
we'll take a call here. Mike is calling in. What's up, Mike?

Speaker 10 (26:57):
Well, yeah, Japanese jack Hammer put the Reds in shelf
shock after that first blast, and from then on it
was downhill.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, Like I said, I if you tell me last night.
You get Hunter Green in five runs, you might have
felt okay going in. Uh, Hunter Green obviously was not
ready for the moment and the bats for Los Angeles.
We've been told a couple of times this year that
home runs are rally killers. Those are not rally killers
for the Dodgers.

Speaker 10 (27:28):
They if you'll notice, they didn't even play Will Smith,
who's the best hitting catcher in Major League Baseball by
batting everage, he didn't even play. He's a regular catcher.
He had a backup catcher. They played Key k Hernandez
up the bench, little Tommy Edmonds that they stole from
Saint Louis to want out. He's about he's smaller than Austin.
He can hit for a little guy. And uh, that

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just goes to show you the strength of a bench
is critically important.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (27:57):
And those are not big high price guy like he said, Oh,
the Dodger's just five billion dollar players. That's bull full crip.
But I am interested about your Uh, well, okay, tonight.
Yamamoto two point four nine thirty starts, one hundred and
seventy three point one innings pitched, with two hundred and
one k's Yep.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Not that.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, and against a team in the Reds who swings
and misses a lot. It's it's not a it's not
an ideal matchup on any sense.

Speaker 10 (28:25):
I've got a kind of not a trivia, but a
kind of a question for you about the NFL, just
to break it up, But first, I'm impressed with your
rooftop show Friday.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
How about that?

Speaker 10 (28:34):
It would be the biggest roof It'll be the biggest
roof shop top show since the Beatles cut their final
album on the rooftop at Apple Studios in London, England
in nineteen sixty nine. This is big focus ball.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's what a lot of people are saying, Mike. It's
what a lot of people are saying.

Speaker 10 (28:51):
Are they coming in from all over the world. What
lungs in.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
The country flying in everywhere?

Speaker 10 (28:57):
How many thousands do you think you can handle up there?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Hundreds hundreds of thousands?

Speaker 10 (29:02):
Ten?

Speaker 11 (29:06):
Right?

Speaker 10 (29:06):
Okay? Quick? NFL? Yeah, that was just that was the
game was over after the first inning.

Speaker 12 (29:12):
Really, But.

Speaker 10 (29:16):
Who's leading who's tied for the NFL lead in sacks
at this point?

Speaker 9 (29:21):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Player or team?

Speaker 10 (29:24):
In the two individual players that are tied for most sacks.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I'm saying I don't know the player.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I know the team is the Denver Broncos that leads
the NFL in sacks.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
So I would assume it's Nick Benito Nio yep.

Speaker 10 (29:39):
So the two guys side for first place or brought
or Byron Young from the from the Rams the outside
linebackers from your school, tenning Tony University of Tennessee. Two
thousand to twenty three third round, third round pick Bengals.
You hear that third round pick John McVeigh is smarter
than you Jack Taylor all day long. The second guy

(30:02):
is Bryan Burns from the New York Giants.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah, Burns is a stud.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
People forget they essentially stole him from the Carolina Panthers
at the end of the season, and that is a
He's a good player. I hate to see that the
Giants lost my leak neighbors because I wanted to see
him with Jackson Dart. But I mean, we've talked a
lot about the Rams and how good they are defensively.
The unfortunate thing for the Bengals, after they just got

(30:26):
done with the Denver Broncos, who lead the NFL in sacks,
they now go against a team who is second tied
for second the NFL and sacks and the Detroit Lions,
So does not get any easier for the Bengals this week.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
You want to know my favorite stat in the NFL
right now? What is it? Puka Nakua through four games
has forty two receptions on fifty targets. Unreal, forty two
catches on fifty targets through four games. Andy's ran the
ball a few times.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
By the way, the second closest is Jake Ferguson, who's
got thirty four. And then McCaffrey has thirty one.

Speaker 10 (31:04):
That's crazy, that's greaty wow, So Stafford can still spin it,
Canny Tony.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Stafford can spin it. They Puka aku is fifteen receptions
clear of the of the next closest receiver, who's Alman
Ross Saint Brown, who might get fifteen this Sunday. So
Puka is gonna have to put up big numbers.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
He might.

Speaker 10 (31:24):
The guys that are tied for third and fourth, they
have four and a half sacks or oddly enough, Cameron
Granderson from the Saints and Rashawn Gary from the Packers. Yeah,
and who leaves who leaves in pressures? It kind of surprising,
but Michaeh. Micah leaves in pressures with twenty five.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I mean that's what he gets in on those third
down situations, and he gets after the quarterback. I think
Rashan Gary is one of the major beneficiaries of of
Micah Parsons being on that team as well, because he's
not getting any of the double teams.

Speaker 10 (31:55):
And I did notice that the Eagles had they did
draft the Hog Campbell, remember was yeah, talk about him, yep,
Well took the Eagles and look what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Well.

Speaker 10 (32:07):
Thanks, thank you, Mike.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yes, sir, that could have been our Football in the Natti,
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Speaker 2 (32:32):
Welcome back since he three to sixty thanks to Skyline Chili.
We're gonna hear from Zach Taylor this afternoon Austin. We'll
play his press conference at two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
I'm excited about that. I uh, you're what Zach has
to say. Can't wait can't wait. We talked about this
a little bit earlier today, and I think it's the
state of of where the team is. I saw James
Rapene posted this video earlier today talking about just how
good Joe Burrow is and and I thought going into
the year he was a top three, maybe even top

(33:04):
two quarterback in the NFL. When you look at how
this team is a complete and utter failure in operating
without Joe Burrow, it shows you very quickly how much
Joe Burrow can mask and how much he probably didn't
mask even last year for this team. But it also
begs the question about the roster itself. I watched him

(33:29):
every day of training camp. I didn't leave ever a
training camp practice and think this is going to be
the one of the worst teams in the NFL, and
yet watching them operate, they very well might be one
of the worst teams in the NFL. And it got
us to having a conversation just how bad is it?

(33:49):
How bad has this roster been assembled? You and I, Austin,
we sat here today and we tried to come up
with a list of players that, if you're going into
next year, are must haves on the roster, like you
could not part ways with them.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
They have to be on this roster next year, and
we had to work extremely hard to get to double digits.
We had to work to get to ten players that
would be must going forward.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
On this roster. There are how many active players each
week austin six, yeah, forty six or active six fifty three?
Has it really gotten that bad? Is this roster really
that bad? That's the thing. Going into the last couple
of years, you knew there was a lot of potential,

(34:43):
but guys needed to be coached, Guys needed to improve,
There needed to be progression, And to me, one of
the biggest indicators of the failure of Zach Taylor is
that this team is regressing. They feel like they're going
back now. The riding was on the wall with defense right.

(35:03):
Nothing from Joseph o'side, nothing from Miles Murphy, McKinley Jackson
was nowhere. Jeraane Pratt continually got worse. The cornerbacks after
the first year nowhere to be found. And so lou
Anroumo kind of took the blame for all that. We
blamed him and he got fired because of it. And
here we are still nobody really taking a step forward

(35:27):
on defense, Dax Hill coming off of an ACL injury,
looks really good. We know the Bengals are high on him.
Shamar Stewart has barely played due to his injury, but
I think you stick with him moving forward. But outside
of that, there's nobody on defense that you feel comfortable with.
And that's grazy And maybe Demetrius Knight you could put

(35:48):
in there because he's had some moments and is going
to grow as a linebacker. But still so that's the.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Case, and that's where we are right now, and Zach
Taylor is and will take a fair amount of criticism.
The players are going to take a fair amount of criticism.
If that's the case, and this is the conversation we're having,
Duke Tobin will have to take a fair amount of criticism.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Call it what it is.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
We talked yesterday about the step backwards Marius Mims has taken.
Jermaine Burton can't show up to practice on time. He's
not been active this year. McKinley Jackson, a fourth round
pick from last year, is yet to be active this year.
We've talked about this team's failures to draft players. They
also Austin made decisions to re up b J. Hill,

(36:39):
who I couldn't tell you is on the field or
not right now. They extended Ted Krris, who's been awful.
Their evaluations on free agents have not seemed to pan out.
They asked Gino Stone to take a pay cut, and
they still have him out there.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Starting.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
If the criticism and the fair criticism is there for
Zach Taylor and the other coaches and this roster, that
same criticism has to be true for Duke Tobin as well.
It's it's clear that there is, and we said it
last year, there is a clear disconnect at some level

(37:23):
on scheme and identity verse personnel. Yeah, you can't tell
me otherwise. Spent all off season talking about twelve personnel,
and then last week I heard Zach Taylor say, well,
the reason we haven't really got Tea involved much is
we've been out of so much twelve personnel. Well, then
why'd you sign T Higgins? And are you telling me

(37:46):
in twelve personnel where you have a back, two tight
ends and two receivers that you can't draw up plays
to still get T Higgins touches in twelve personnel, then
why sign him and then want to be a twelve
personnel team. Those don't make sense. The roster additions versus

(38:09):
the scheme, they clash. We're seeing this in the run
game too, right, they don't have a run blocker on
the offensive line yet, so much of the conversation is
you got to establish a run game. Well, they haven't
been built that way. So there's a disconnect there that

(38:30):
Duke needs to be held accountable for, that Zach needs
to be held accountable for, and that the players themselves
had to hold They have to hold themselves accountable.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
And I do want to clarify because you know, Zach
and the coaching staff in Cincinnati is more involved in
the draft process than nearly anywhere else in the NFL.
So it's not to say that Zach and company are
not without blame, especially when you consider these recent draft classes.

(39:00):
And if you know the way your roster is being
built and what you're good at and not good at,
and you're still not good getting players that really fit
what you're trying to do. Like maybe Lucas Patrick was
more of a scheme fit than we all realized because
of his ability as a run blocker, because those seven
plays in Cleveland looked pretty good and he's been hurt

(39:21):
and and hopefully he comes back soon. But you're right,
for guys that have been working together as long as
Duke and Zach have, doesn't seem like that the disconnect
should not be happening. And I'm kind of just wondering
if these are two people that aren't that good at
their job. I mean, if you look back at the
three drafts prior to Zach getting here, the only people

(39:45):
that are still active on NFL rosters are Andrew Billings,
Jake Elliott, Joe Mixon, and Jesse Bates. No one knows. Yeah,
he's hurt right now, and Jesse Bates that's it, yep.
Everybody else is either. I mean Sam Hubbard was on there,
so I'll give you that he was had a successful

(40:07):
NFL career. Most people would say Tyler Boyd was on there, Okay,
that's it. Yeah, and that's Duke Tobin prior to Zach Taylor. Correct.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
It's just I mean, I'm there. It can't all be
on Zach. The finger has to point to Duke Tobin
as well. He's been a he's been the constant even
before Zach Taylor was here. And to me, that the
most concerning part is those two not being on the
same page.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yep. I don't know how you can operate successfully if
you're not on the same page, right, And you know,
I think it's also fair to say that there is
blame beyond just Zach and beyond just Duke, because Mike
Brown and the family are still involved in those decisions.

(41:04):
So you have to have people that can work. You
have three different sides of people putting in towards roster building,
and I just don't know if that's gonna work. And
if it is, you have to have a head coach
that can maximize And I thought for a couple of

(41:25):
years Zach did. I really did, And I stand by
everything I said about Zach. But I've looked at it
now and I'm wondering can he still withstand this part
of this phase of being a head coach? And I
don't know that he can maximize the talent? Yeah, And

(41:45):
I don't know that you're gonna find somebody that Will's
that's the issue. If not here, then who? So plenty
more we can discuss. Well, here's Zach Taylor's press conference
at two o'clock. We'll play that at two o'clock today.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
We have some folks from NKU coming by for hoops
and scoops at one o'clock.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Not just some folks, man, we got some some hoopers.
We got Tay Dozer, Okay, Tay and Donovan. O day
all right, Donovan, Donovan, gonna be a good day, Oh day,
all day. A couple of guards for NKU. They're coming
in first, they're coming coming in from Georgetown, one coming
in from cal State Fullerton, and they're gonna tell us
about what's going on at Truest Arena next next week.

(42:24):
Hoops and scoops. You already know before that. Are they
going to bring in ice cream? I hope so it'd
be cool if they did. We'll put a bow on
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here to get to the bottom of the hour, Let's
grab a phone call. John is calling in right now.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (43:07):
John, How you doing, guys?

Speaker 15 (43:10):
Good?

Speaker 3 (43:10):
How are you boy?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
A little bit of humble pile last night?

Speaker 16 (43:16):
Just you just you just.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Wonder with Hunter, and we've seen this before with him.
I just think sometimes when he gets amped up to
a certain degree, it just seems like his pitches, I
don't know, think they kind of straightened out a little
bit if you can, if you can understand that, it
just he can throw it up there hundred and one,
but it seems like it's for good hitters. It's it's

(43:40):
still pretty hittable.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
The the thing is now you have so many pitchers
in Major League Baseball that can throw at one hundred
hundred and one hundred and two. The key is your location,
and the key is the ability to get any movement
on that pitch. Far too many times last night because
Hunter was struggling so much to find the strike zone,
he wasn't locating his fastball very hitable locations, and he

(44:03):
just didn't have the movement on it. When you don't
have that, and you don't have the secondary pitch working
against the lineup who mashes like the Dodgers, you're going
to be in for a long night.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Yeah. Yeah, And and and I mean, Blake Snell. I
mean it really you really get a chance to see
in the playoffs when you see elite pitching. I mean,
how good was he? I mean he was just he
was hitting corners, he was I mean, we were waving
at those change ups away and it's just like, I
just we got to him eventually. But I'm sure in

(44:36):
his own mind, when you're when you're up six or
seven runs, I'm sure it changes you a little bit.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well, you look what happened yesterday. Crochet was unbelievable. For
the Red Sox. They win a game three to one.
Scow Ball was dominant for the Tigers, they win a
game two to one. Cubs got really good pitching all
the way around. That's a three to one game. You
are going to have to pitch like Crochet, likes like
Skewball if you want a chance to win in the postseason.

(45:03):
And unfortunately for the reds they thought they had their
guy Hunter Green lined up and he did not deliver
last night.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Yeah yeah, And I mean I think you've got a
Hunter for still several years now. But you just kind
of wonder if eventually we have to change our mindset.
I mean, obviously we've got Burns and Louder and some
other guys that we hope to be top end of
the rotation, guys that we really need Hunter Green to

(45:31):
become what we think he's gonna be rather than just
this talk yeah being great.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, that's the moment last night. You need Hunter Green
to be his best, and he was. He was the
furthest thing from it.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, and but all things aside doing and who knows,
I mean, the way this season's gone. Yeah, I mean
you figure you lose last night, Ret's come back and
win tonight, whin DeMar and take the series, because that's
what it's been the last couple of months. So who knows.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
They've been backed up many times, thank you, John, They've
been backed up a ton of times this year. But
you won't win in the postseason giving up fifteen hits
in a baseball game Tigers, Guardians combined for nine, Cubs
Padres combined for ten, Red Sox, Yankees combined for fifteen,

(46:17):
Dodgers themselves head fifteen. You're not gonna win baseball games
in October. Giving up ten runs and fifteen hits just
doesn't happen. Let's talk hoops and scoops big event going
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conference will air at two o'clock this afternoon, Austin.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Are you ready to talk a little basketball?

Speaker 10 (47:24):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
You got the fever yet? Oh yeah? College basketball right
around the corner. The North is going to be the
best team in the Tri State area.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I feel like every year college basketball creeps up on
us more now we've got Reds playing in October, the
NFL season college football, and then before you know it,
exhibitions are starting. College basketball season is starting, and we're
lucky enough today to talk some hoops and scoops with
NKU basketball. This is happening in October seventh next week

(47:51):
at Trust Arena, six o'clock. The door's open. There's kid
friendly games, cheer and dance performances, team introduction at seven o'clock,
basketball activities, and Austin free wits frozen custard. Oh so
you got an opportunity to get a schedule, poster autographs
from your favorite NKU players, and we're lucky enough to
have a couple of those players in the building today. Uh,

(48:14):
Tay Dozers here, Donovan ode is here, Fellas, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (48:17):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Uh, let's start Donovan with you. You guys are transferring in
to n KU and it's a different world of college basketball.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
What is that transition?

Speaker 14 (48:33):
Like?

Speaker 2 (48:33):
When you're you're out in the market and you find
a new home and a team, and now you've got
to come and get uh acclimated with not only a
roster and a coaching staff, but a city. How how difficult.
Is that transition? How's it been for you?

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Uh?

Speaker 19 (48:46):
Yeah, man, Uh this is my second time doing it,
and I definitely say I'm better this time.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
But like, of course it's different.

Speaker 19 (48:52):
You know, it's new personalities, new scenery, you know, just
with me even being kind of far from home as
a Texas kid coming Tucky, you know, so it's different.
So just really being able to adapt wherever I'm at
and be able to make friends and be able to
just be myself forever, which is really important to me.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
So freshman year at McNee state is there, and then
you go to cal State Fullerton. How early in the
process did you hear from NKU and and what made
NKU the destination ultimately for you?

Speaker 19 (49:20):
Yeah, heard from NKU around the middle to the end
kind of you know, Coach Simon hit me and we
just had a really good conversation talk to the head coach,
Coach Horn, and I just really felt at home with
the staff, you know, the things that they were telling me,
just what the past success they've had, and I just
felt like it was a place where I could put
my chest in for my senior year.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
And yeah, I played football the University of Cincinnati, but
being a basketball fan. While UC's arena was being updated,
they played their home games for a year at Truest Arena.
It's an unbelievable arena. It's an unbelievable atmosphere. How excited
are you now getting in the city and getting to
play at Truest Arena? How excited are you looking for

(50:01):
for the fans and and everything about this basketball program?

Speaker 9 (50:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (50:05):
Definitely, man, True Serena is is really beautiful. This will
be my four year in college, so I've seen a
lot of different arenas and trust arenas. There's nothing short
of a P four arena in my opinion. I feel
like it's just a it's a special place where I
feel like the fans will will definitely have a good
time with this upcoming year.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
And yeah, uh, Tay dozers here as well. Tay grad
transfer from Georgetown. But you're a Louisville native, so you're
back closer to home. Same thing for you. What what
was it about n k U in this process that
that made it feel like the right fit for you
to come play college basketball with.

Speaker 20 (50:41):
It being close to home and automatically give it like
a boost to it, and then just seeing the winning
as Donovancid. Just winning matters to me and one of
the like in my last year of college off of winning,
So it was perfect for.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Me to have a chance and NKU has had a
chance to play in the NCAA Tournament. The we we
we often joke around here that it feels like once
March comes around, n KU rises up to the occasion.

Speaker 21 (51:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I know you're you're still getting into the system. But
your head coach, Darren Horne, what is it about him
that that is going to give you guys the best
chance to play your best basketball in advance in the
to the NCAA Tournament.

Speaker 20 (51:21):
Just his experience, Like like I said, him winning, he
holds us to the highest ends. He's not going to
let us have a day off or he like last practice,
he said, that's kind of like we had a slow start.
It is like that's a losing culture. We're not going
to allow that anymore. And just like stays on top
of us making sure it was like the best, especially
when it comes to March.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I've always thought NK us done a great job scheduling
of playing really top tier competition early in the season
and oftentimes it gets you ready for for league play
to where at the end of the year you're you're
playing at your best. Talk about that, Talk about the
ability to go to n KU and play against some
of the best competition in that non conference and get

(52:00):
yourself ready for conference play.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
How much does that help?

Speaker 20 (52:02):
Like it helps be like going out there playing like
some of the top competition. It shows you where you're at,
where you need to be, how to get better, and
just being ready for come March.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
How important are things like what's going to happen with
hoops and scoops for fans and kids especially to come
out to the arena in today's world of college basketball,
because there's so many new faces on a roster, how
important is it to be able to connect with the
fans during an event like that, to to not only
meet them, but to showcase a little bit of what
you guys can do, have a chance to get in

(52:34):
front of them, so while the season gets here, it
doesn't feel like so many new faces.

Speaker 20 (52:38):
Yeah, I think it's very important to interact. Like like
you said, it's like new faces, Oh, fans don't really
know anyone yet, but coming in and interact, seeing how
good of like people we are, how good they are
I heard crazy things about the fans, just how crazy
they are and like how much they love the sports,
especially in Highland Heights.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
So it's important, very important.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
What can fans listening now? What can they expect from
your game? Individually?

Speaker 3 (53:02):
What are you bringing? Excitement? I excitement? Donald? What are
you bringing? Nothing? Sort of what tastes it? Really exciting?

Speaker 4 (53:09):
You know?

Speaker 19 (53:10):
But I'm definitely gonna bring I'm gonna bring a lot
of energy, you know, a lot of defense and a
lot of scoring and getting my teammates.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
So how how difficult is it? And it's in the
first time you've done it so much. It's one thing
to have good players on a team, but the culture
and being able to play as a as a group
of five, how difficult is that? How much time does
that take? Uh to get on the same pages as
guys you haven't had a chance to play with as much?

Speaker 19 (53:39):
Yeah, definitely, just with the how things are going now,
you know, like almost every year everybody a lot of
guys chances that are getting like with ours this race
when you have like what eight nine transfers, So just
it starts in June, man, like, just building those relationships
where it's on off the Core. I feel like both
are just really important, you know, just really understanding your brother,
understanding the guy next to you. Like our coach was

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saying the other day, like he wants us to know
how much siblings everybody has and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
So just just really just being able.

Speaker 19 (54:07):
To understand people more on and off the course, so
whenever we're in a situations and tough situations, we'll be
able to have each other's backs and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
So the Cincinnati Northern Kentucky area, how much have you
guys had a chance to explore it? What are your
what are some of your favorite things?

Speaker 19 (54:20):
Yeah? Uh, this is that kind of surprised me being
from Texas, you know, from Dallas, lived in California for
a little bit. Yeah, I feel like nobody really knows
how nice Cincinnati actually is. It's a very slept on place,
even the northern Kentucky area, very clean area, nice area.

Speaker 20 (54:36):
So nothing surprising, being like I'm not too far away, right, yeah,
you're close enough, but nothing surprising. It's been since he's
kind of bigger than I thought. But other than that,
nothing really surprised me.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
The the the role of college basketball in today's world,
As we mentioned, that the comings and goings and the culture.
How important is the locker room. We're talking culture a
lot in Cincinnati sports right now with the Bengals going
through some hard times and and you rely on that
culture that's built in for a school and a team

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as Northern Kentucky has been, that is always playing their
best at the end of the year. How much in
basketball do you rely on culture?

Speaker 20 (55:18):
I say it's one of the biggest things, because when
it comes down to it, you get in a tough game.
If you're not connected with your team, you're just gonna
fall apart and you're gonna lose a game. So I
think it's one of the biggest things.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I cannot thank you guys enough for coming in. I
know you guys are looking forward to next week. What
is what's happening right now from a basketball standpoint? What
what are you guys doing from practices? When do those
run up to? Because I again, I know, I think
it's early November. The season is getting underway. You guys
head to Tennessee on November eighth, so this is coming

(55:51):
up quick. What are you guys doing right now from
a basketball standpoint to get ready? What are you able
to do with with regulations.

Speaker 19 (55:58):
Uh yes, So we had our first official practice last Monday,
so us being able to go have longer hours of practice,
being able to play more and just really put ourselves
in game in more in game scenarios which will help
us obviously for the long run.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Can I thank you guys enough man? Tuesday, October seventh,
the Truest Arena doors are gonna open at six. Awesome
for kids. There's gonna be cheer dance performances. The team
introduction start at seven. Basketball activities.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
What's that mean?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Is it a little scrimmaging or just more you guys
just showing off a little bit. You're just gonna show
off a little bit. Free Wits Frozen Custard. Fans are
gonna get a chance to get a poster on autographs,
and everyone in attendance is gonna get a voucher for
a special ticket offer and Wits Frozen Custard while supplies last.
It's Hoops and Scoops again. October seventh, Truest Arena guys,

(56:53):
best of luck, man, thank you guys so much for
coming in and.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
We'll be following along this season. Definitely, thank you and
we go.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
That's cent three to sixty. We're just getting started. Our
number two your talkbacks next thanks to Cincy Shirts on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 22 (57:23):
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sanitize it.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Come on, you're riding high right now. We just talked
to your men of the Norse. The Mighty Norse are
in the building, and that to me is a calming present.
They're getting ready to go on with Willy after that. Yeah,
I mean, good for the nurse. Good nurse, and you
know people gonna start paying attention. I wasn't joking when
I told you death taxes Darren Horn in March. Yep.
It goes January February Nourse, yep. And they will be

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the best of the three. Hey, by the way, in
the area.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Today's talkbacks thanks to our friends at Sincy Shirts. You
know they collaborated Austin with not only Skyland but Greaters.
Now I saw this. There's the re release coming up
of the Skyline ice.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Cream coming up. It's today, man, Today.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
They've got the coolest bowl of Chile in town, available
at Sincy Shirts locations as well as local Kroger stores.
But here's the deal with these, Austin. Once they sell out,
they're gone. Oh so make sure you get to Cincy
Shirts as soon as possible.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Okay, wonderful. I might have to go across the street
to Greaters and get some of that skyline Greaters so
that I can eat it tonight during the Reds game,
because I feel like that might have some special powers.
We're gonna need something, need something.

Speaker 23 (58:48):
Like Don King said, only in America. Wow, bad business
owners can win barely four out of every ten games
a play, he says in nineteen ninety one, and still
make billions. Man, real life is to steal. It's good
work if you can get it. Boys, Let's go Reds.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Turn it around.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Come on, backs against the wall for the cockroaches. Oh boy,
cockroaches on everybody. I know we're down right now. Let's
circle on the wagons. We got a lot of meat
left on the bone. It was a bad matchup last night.

Speaker 15 (59:24):
Okay, Hell we scored five one we need scored jack
now did only.

Speaker 24 (59:27):
Squat back in twenty twenty all right, and we had
a cy young pitcher that year. All right, give one
hundred and grief some slade, give him some grace. I'm
gonna stand up top in the mountain top, I'm gonna screen.

Speaker 10 (59:37):
Let's go reds or, as Brett Sooner says.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Click bad matchup. Think's gonna be a bad matchup for
the Dodgers tonight.

Speaker 25 (59:46):
Yep, well that was painful back to back days on
the same network, our local pro teams getting their tails
handed to him. Come on, man, brads, you know what
you gotta do. Now have to win too straight, Tony,
I think you need to have a Jim Morris moment.
For those who don't know Jim Morris, Major League Picture
has his debut at thirty five after some arm surgeries.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Tone, time to suit up being with me? Isn't that
the Did they make a movie about that? Is that
called the Rookie? Might be I'm pretty sure might be.

Speaker 24 (01:00:18):
Hey, but they're big dog Jay, way we do there.

Speaker 11 (01:00:21):
We didn't go in.

Speaker 9 (01:00:22):
You're a bigger Dodgery.

Speaker 24 (01:00:23):
We got your big picture, Jip, and you there.

Speaker 13 (01:00:26):
Go be the one and dune in the night you
will having tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Come on, o gosh, man, thank you, coach Holtz.

Speaker 18 (01:00:32):
There he is, Hey, Fellas, it's finny. What a terrible
game last night? We got beat by the human worm
human turtle? What is that guy? Blake snow That kind
of looks like a math teacher in middle school or something, man,
and he just made us look foolish. Man, I'm tired
of it. Why can't we just freaking shock the world

(01:00:52):
and win a game against a team gets a good team?

Speaker 10 (01:00:56):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Who's to say?

Speaker 26 (01:00:57):
We want to tell you every.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Team ever since nieteen just just sucks. It's not over yet.
My favorite tweet that I saw last night came from
Nate Dotson. He said, Blake Snell is rich. He doesn't
have to look like that if he doesn't want to. Oh, oh,
the life of a Cincinnati sports fan.

Speaker 15 (01:01:31):
The stronger.

Speaker 27 (01:01:43):
My expectation all year with the Reds is they were
going to be battling for last place. The fact that
they even went to the playoffs I think as a
victory in a successful season.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I know some say, you.

Speaker 27 (01:01:56):
Know, unless you win the World Series, it's really not successful.

Speaker 9 (01:02:00):
Bowl crap.

Speaker 27 (01:02:00):
Okay, So my question today, with elimination day, possibly, why
is Asscraft not pitching?

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
He probably will pitch Jim and it is a failure
of a season if they don't advance in the postseason. Yes,
are you watching this Tigers game? I've not turned it
on yet. Guardians Tigers top one. Detroit puts two on,
nobody out Tanner Biby then strikes out the next three.
Man changes the whole thing.

Speaker 21 (01:02:32):
No, this is the president formally known as Ronald Reagan.
You can call me Prince now, dearly beloved, we are
gathered here today to talk about playoff baseball. Last night's
raspberry beret is behind us. Let's get this little Red's
Corvette in gear. Oh and let's go crazy on those

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Dodgers and party like it's nineteen ninety five. If not,
doves won't be the only thing crying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Thank you, ro Now you know Austin those are print songs,
right sure? Okay?

Speaker 28 (01:03:06):
Triple boogedy Bengals, we all know they have issues, need fixed, QB.
What about Josh Dibbs With these athletic, aplody pastronauts, he
would have to run for his life and he's capable
with our lackluster O line. Red's in a double boogety situation.

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Let's go Red Legs crack them up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Thank you. Let's go.

Speaker 29 (01:03:33):
Hey, guys, Marcus from the groove, bad bad, bad, bad
night last night. You've got to come back tonight. And
you know, I don't care about the full day's rest.
This at the postseason. You cannot let your season die
on the shoulders of Zach Lyttel. You need to throw

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abvid tonight in a must win game.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
It's not a hard season on the line, Zach Lyttel,
Zach Taylor, I'm riding with our guy lttel Man. Let's go. Yeah,
this says coach Zach Taylor.

Speaker 30 (01:04:12):
Shout out today too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Who Day Nation.

Speaker 30 (01:04:15):
I was trying to get my call in yesterday, but
I guess I didn't get it in in time. You know,
I was hoping to be a little bit more prepared
for this talk back here today, but I guess I'll
go ahead and just wing it. Didn't really have a
backup plan.

Speaker 31 (01:04:28):
Uh.

Speaker 30 (01:04:28):
Anyway, the guys played their butts off. We're gonna fight
like hectic week to get better and well, I'm just
proud of them.

Speaker 32 (01:04:36):
Who they a And that game was embarrassing last night.
That was that was that was hard to watch. Okay,
but deep down we all know how to know what
was gonna happen. I mean, they're clear, they're just out matched.
You watch the other three games, they are all great games.
These other teams are very good. You can tell there's
one team that just doesn't belong there, and it's the Reds.
And I'll tell you who else has to be thoroughly
embarrassed by watching last.

Speaker 12 (01:04:56):
Night was the Mets. They have to be thinking how
did we let this happen? And that Dodgers bullpen sucks.
So I can't give the Reds credit for walking and
not swinging at ball's two feet out of the zone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yeah you can. Yeah, you can get credit for that.
You can give him credit for scoring runs on bad pitchers.

Speaker 33 (01:05:13):
Yep, yeah, he should have pinch hit. Pinch hit South
Stewart agree. Agree one percent, Stevenson. All three of them
pitchers pitches were balls, no doubt about it. It's okay
to walk a run in the Bengals defense against the

(01:05:34):
Lions offense. That I mean, that's that's scarier than than Halloween.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Amen, brother Amen.

Speaker 24 (01:05:43):
I had no disrespect from Mike from Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
I mean LA.

Speaker 24 (01:05:47):
But I think you've been out in LA a little
too long there, brother, I don't know what you' all smoking,
but you got good stuff if you're gonna come on
here since he three sixty and try to spin it
where not every player on the Dodgers a dollar player
and they still got power. And come on, man, the
first five batters in your lineup made one hundred and
seventy million last years.

Speaker 10 (01:06:08):
Started lineup last night and Hunter Green can Bin only made.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Thirty Man good point man.

Speaker 34 (01:06:15):
Also, it's time to be a little honest about the Bengals.
There are maybe maybe ten guys on this roster that
are any good and that would start on a real contender.
So and I'm not saying they're gonna need, you know,
a complete rebuild, because they're never gonna be in a
complete rebuild when you got one of the top five quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
But they definitely need some kind of.

Speaker 34 (01:06:35):
Mini overhaul because seventy five to eighty percent of this
roster is not any good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
So they need to figure it out.

Speaker 34 (01:06:42):
Trade trade, trade, t get what you can get.

Speaker 35 (01:06:46):
A lot of moves. Just DJ, DJ. You have a
good question at the beginning of the show. What should
the Bengals do stand pat add or start to trade
off assets because of their record they won't start trade
off assets yet.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
It's gonna have to get a lot worse.

Speaker 35 (01:07:02):
But I think based on the eye test, the coach
and everything else, I think wholesale changes are necessary and
that's the direction they should go. It's a shame it
just won't happen in time till everything falls apart.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Yeah, I just I'm curious, Austin, how many weeks of
what we've had to watch the last couple of weeks
would be enough.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
I hate to tee off on you, Mike from.

Speaker 24 (01:07:26):
Cincy, but if you left some low hanging fruit there
for me making that comment on here, brother, I can't
just sit back on my laurels and rest. Come on,
Sincy three to sixty and dogs an't like that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Brother.

Speaker 24 (01:07:36):
We'll see you tonight though. Come on, we got game two.
Hashi Moto's going down? Or ya I'm a Moto or
you know what? Hello Moto, Oh, hello Moto, Hello Moto,
Hello Moto.

Speaker 26 (01:07:52):
Hey fellas, it's Adam And look, the Bengals are not
going to win another game this season with any quarterback currently.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
On their roster.

Speaker 26 (01:08:01):
And I'll leave it at that. I wanted to take
the chance to just say Tony, what a heck of
a job you did calling that game on Sunday and Austin.
If you could call a game, what would it be?
What would be your strengths? I could see you doing
a Reds game, or maybe the Masters or the Open
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, definitely baseball baseball. I think would be would be
my best by far. Quick double dip. Mike has still
butt hurt.

Speaker 26 (01:08:28):
His dad got fired by the Browns sixty five years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
He's not firing anybody. I don't know if that's true.
I mean, I think they came pretty close to firing
Zach in twenty nineteen. And if you remember, Marvin Lewis
signed a contract extension going into the twenty eighteen season
and then got fired after the twenty eighteen season.

Speaker 36 (01:08:50):
Hey, guys, throw in Atlanta. Are you guys talking about
how lacking in skills that a lot of our players
have the Bengals, especially the offensive line. Maybe true, but
what is also very true is that these guys are undisciplined, unmotivated,
and poorly coached. And that rests solely on the shoulders

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of the coaching.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Yes, that's fair. Thanks, that part is fair. We got
no problem with that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:19):
I've been a fan of my whole life, guys sixty
years old, I've seen it all, but this episode here
in the last few years, I'm not even embarrassed no more.
I'm just flat out pissed. That's this organization doesn't care
about winning, doesn't care about the fans. What we think,
They're gonna sit back and do nothing yet again, and
expect the fans to keep showing up and shelling out

(01:09:41):
and supporting. No, enough is enough. Something's got to be
done about this. Something's got to be done.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
The hard part here for me is I don't know
if he's talking about the Bengals or the Reds. I know,
I know. I don't know that you could. I don't
know that all those are applicable to the Bengals. I
do think the Bengals have put forth effort, more effort
than the Reds have. Yeah, neither one have worked.

Speaker 37 (01:10:05):
What up, boys, Craig and the Creek Gonna keep it
positive after a rough couple of days. Good to see
McClain have a night after all the hate and veteran
move by Frankcona. If they playing for Littel, you pull him,
put in Lidolo. If they call your bluff and playing
for Lodolo. You just keep rolling with Litzel and h
is the US hurting to field a fencing team or something.

(01:10:29):
It is so bizarre the amount of ads for such
a weird sport.

Speaker 38 (01:10:37):
After witnessing that uh whatever it was on Monday night
football flying him from Denver last night watching the Reds games,
just man one thing after another.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 38 (01:10:54):
Here on the weekend we had big win by the Bearcats,
Reds getting into the season and then back to reality.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Yeah, that's I think. One of the hardest part of
Austin is the reality that sets in quickly when when
they score so quick last night that well that was
fun getting here.

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Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
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Speaker 31 (01:11:54):
The Bengals are the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Misfit toys of the NFL.

Speaker 31 (01:11:59):
We goton who can't block corners, who can't cover man
demand safeties, who can't stop the de ball, a coach
that doesn't know how to scheme, and the owner that's
still talking about going to the super Bowl in nineteen
eighty nine. No vision, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Mo al time, mo I, mo.

Speaker 39 (01:12:20):
Hey, guys, how many more losses like the last two
do you think the Bengals have before Zach Taylor completely
loses the locker room and the guys no longer want
to play with him, that they would rather consider themselves
healthy scratches than to go out there with his game plan.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Thanks Hudek. The current state of the locker room is
my biggest concern right now going forward. I don't know
that we're at that point. Somebody tried to say that today.
You know, when does Jamar Chase start, you know, pinning
of a hamstring injury. This dude's got their money, So
I don't know that they're that sort of flat out
rebellion from the leaders is going to happen. I don't

(01:12:54):
anticipate that, but I do think it's worth being concerned
about the overall state to the locker room. My goodness,
what was that TV in here just turned off? I
heard somebody's phone going off. The Norse were in here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Let me tell you what was that? Professional phones were
going off and it was not anyone from the Norse.
I know, I know lights were going on and off
in here.

Speaker 40 (01:13:16):
Austin Tony is he in here sending in another because
yesterday was two filled? But I'm really wondering, are they
trying to lose on purpose because they just want a
high rated first round pick for free? Like they won't
spend money on the line to protect Burrow. I mean,

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the blood is all over the hands. It's so ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Emotions are high still, man, after a Monday night.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Let me tell you this, there there are people astin
that need the Reds to win tonight because if not,
you go down a dark path.

Speaker 41 (01:13:54):
Yeah, my next game managing a big league team, wille
By first. But I'm still trying to figure out why
Tita put South Stewart in for Austin Hayes instead of
Key Bryan Hayes. But today's another day. That's the beauty
of baseball. You turn the page winner, go home tonight.
Let's get them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Boys, Come on, come on, let's go.

Speaker 27 (01:14:14):
I said Ashcraft, but I met Andrew Abbott.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Ah it makes more sense, Like I think our best pitcher.
That makes more sense.

Speaker 16 (01:14:22):
To go.

Speaker 42 (01:14:24):
I was gonna push back just a little bit on
it's a failure of a season if they don't advance.
I think you're allowed to relitigate based on what we've seen.
We know our offense is dog, you know what, and
their first rounds against the Dodgers, who have probably the
best lineup in all of baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
I want an advance.

Speaker 42 (01:14:44):
But I think I can call it a successful season
that they went to the playoffs for the first time
in what fifteen years?

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
No, No, first time in five years. First and foremost.
Second of all, they in the offseason acquired Gavin Lux,
They acquired Brady Singer. They made moves at the trade
deadline to get Zach Lettel, to get Miguel Andehar. They
spent a pretty decent amount of money, and they spent
a whole lot of money on Terry Francona to get
them back to the playoffs. And for me, the standard

(01:15:14):
is always going to be more than just show up
in the playoffs. It's going to be advanced in the playoffs.
No team in North American professional sports has a playoff
victory drought longer than the Cincinnati Reds. That is embarrassing.
And the organization should have a much higher standard than that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Yeah, the conversation around the Reds cannot be, well, they
made the playoffs that successful. The conversation needs to be
if they don't win tonight or tomorrow, the conversation turns to, Okay,
they took a step forward, but that should be the
jumping off point as to want to get this year
in and year out. What are they going to do
going forward? Because to me can't settle. No, it's a

(01:15:53):
step forward. Is it a success Austin if you finish
over your last eighty games at forty and forty?

Speaker 16 (01:15:58):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:16:00):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Like without and I get that you play to two
different things and what's your the hand that you're dealt
The Mets collapsed, It wasn't like the Reds won and
you know they won twenty three out of thirty to
get in. They were five hundred over the last eighty games.
Now again, have they shown resiliency? Absolutely? Is it a

(01:16:21):
step forward to get there? One? But are you looking
back on this year as a success if they don't
make the playoffs next year?

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Right? No, The twenty twenty five season is not remembered
by the surge of the Reds. It's remembered by the
collapse of the Mets.

Speaker 43 (01:16:38):
Our season hopes rest literally in the hands of Zach
lttel In lttel we trust.

Speaker 41 (01:16:48):
Come on, Zach, Zachy Stevenson swinging at bad pitches. Have
you seen the balls the strikes called this year?

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Fair point? It's Jack's.

Speaker 41 (01:16:55):
Are better trips to win when you stand in the box?
Gotta protect all right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Then that guy was funny.

Speaker 44 (01:17:03):
I can imagine Austin Elmore as a color analyst on
a baseball game and there's a line drives the right
field that'll get down and score two. Austin chimes in, Yeah,
this team sucks. The general manager sucks, the whole team sucks,
the whole organization. Get him out of there, get a
new picture in. He can suck too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
I don't think I say that very often. I don't
think I say people suck. Somebody text me, not on
the air, at least during.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
The first segment today, and asked me if I knew
what Nick Krawl's middle name was, and they said, makes
my skin.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
I fielded a phone call last night from my father, oh,
and it was the first time we've spoken since then,
and he proceeded to tell me about a laundry list
of people that he thought were bums.

Speaker 45 (01:18:00):
Ton just gotta leaving a talk back here. I hope
you're having a good day. It's a tough day to
have a good day as a Cincinnati sports fan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
But what are you gonna do?

Speaker 45 (01:18:08):
Hey, he was on Jake Browning's bandwagon right off jump.
I thought he could get the job done. He has
proven me to be absolutely insanely and terribly wrong. The
dude is hot soupy dog water.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Whoa man just can't use them as qv one hot
soupy dog water.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Let me ask you one question about you can just
people ask you a lot about payroll, payroll, payroll, How
much do you put in? Like the Yankees right now
three hundred million payroll, The Dodgers are at three point fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Second in baseball is the Mets at three forty two.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
The Brewers have a lower payroll in the Red. The
Brewers have a lower payroll in the Red. So to
push back and say, well, it's all about payroll. I
pushed back a little bit on that. It gives you opportunities.
But to your point about this season storyline is more
about the Mets color. And then what the Reds went
and took It's because the Mets spent two hundred or
three hundred and forty two million dollars on their team.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Correct, That's why it was like if you look back
to last year. Last year was a fun story because
the Tigers were like middle of the pack in terms
of spending and they had this young, scrappy team that
went on a run and got into the postseason and
made a little bit of noise. And this year it's
been the opposite. They collapsed and it was the young,

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scrappy Cleveland Guardians that found their way to go on
a run and get into the playoffs. In the National League,
it was the Mets are being paid a lot of
money and they fell apart since June thirteenth, and the
Reds were just there to accept the gift. And it's
not about the surge of a young Red's team with
Terry Francona. Correct, and now internationally, the national conversation has

(01:19:51):
started to zero in on some of the questionable decisions
made by Terry Francona, and I think there's a there's
a difficult balance between the gut and the analytics, and
Francona has made a lot of Hay with his gut.
I just don't know. When he was in Boston, he

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had some unbelievable players, Pedro Martinez, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez,
Kurt Shilling. Yeah, unbelievable players that he could turn to.
They don't have that here, and that concerns me about,
you know, just his style of managing and trusting in

(01:20:33):
guys a little bit more maybe than he should, or
not trusting in a young guy more as much as
he should. And I hope that changes tonight. I hope
I feel a little bit more urgency than I saw
last night. Yeah, we're done. That's our talkbacks. Yeah, football
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Home of the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, welcome back since he
three or sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
I'm gonna call at Austin the biggest game in the
Scott Saderfield Air on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
How surprised were you when you saw the line come
out that the Cats were favored? Originally surprised? I looked
more into it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Iowa State's starting corners are both out, oh, so there
are opportunities of plenty. I think for the UC offense,
what UC did at Kansas in the second half without
Joe Royer in the game, without Dante Corleone, I thought
was extremely extremely impressive. And for Iowa State open the
season with at the time a good win against Kansas State.

(01:22:48):
Kansas State since then has been abysmal. They beat Iowa
sixteen thirteen. Outside of that, I don't think you know
much from the Cyclones based on their record. UC has
been tested road game against Kansas where they came out
on top. They played Nebraska a very tough Week one
at Arrowhead Stadium, and what was essentially a true road
game for the Cincinnati Bearcats. Them being favored against the

(01:23:11):
fourteenth ranked team in the country, I think shows that
there is respect being given, obviously nationally to the Cincinnati Bearcats.
There are people talking Austin about the Cincinnati Bearcats because
by beating Kansas, you set yourself up. If you win
at home, you then go the week after ucf you'll
be favored in that one. They're going to be favorites

(01:23:33):
on the road at Oklahoma State. Then they come home
against Baylor, who again middle of the pack, okay, but
not dominating. If you beat Iowa State, I think you're
four and oh going into the Baylor game. And then
you got legitimate buzz in What I think Austin is
a Big twelve conference that doesn't have a true, true

(01:23:54):
dominant team. I think Texas Tech's the best team in
the conference. You don't play them this year. I think
BYU right now is probably the second best team in
the conference. You play them at home late in the year,
you get Iowa State at home. I don't think you
can ask for much more. And oh, by the way,
Bill Connelly of ESPN dot com today ranked every Power

(01:24:15):
for quarterback one month into this college football season, and
there are good quarterbacks on this list. Austin Julian Sayan
is on this list. He's number eleven. John Mattier Oklahoma
is number twelve. Jalen Daniels Kansas number ten, just had
a great game against the Bearcats defense. And at the

(01:24:36):
top right now, Jayden Maya Villa from USC Diego Pavia
number two, Trinidad Chambliss from Old Missus three, Fernando Mendoza,
who's had a great year so far for Indiana. Dante
Moore Austin. I was unfamiliar with Dante Moore's game until
I watched him against Penn State. I couldn't be more
impressed with him. He was fantastic. But number six on

(01:24:59):
this list and all of college football is Brendan Soorsby.
Total QBR eighty seven point six one forty three passing yards,
two hundred and thirty eight rushing yards, fourteen total touchdowns.
It says this Austin Cincinnati is basically one poor pass
away from being one of the biggest stories of the
early season. Sowarsby's underthrown interception cost the Bearcat's potential win

(01:25:22):
against Nebraska. He has otherwise piloted what would have been
the most well rounded offense this side of usc and
Indiana on the season, and coming off Saturday's win against Kansas,
it has put Cincinnati and Sorsby square in the thick
of a big twelve race. By the way, Brendan Soarsby

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will join this show at twelve thirty tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Let's go how about that? Let's go? What is the
word on Dante Corleone this week?

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Uh trending in the right direction still questionable. Scott Saderfield
said in his press conference yesterday that he was very
close to going against Kansas. If he's very very close
against Kansas, hopefully he's able to go against Iowa State
because Iowa State, unlike Kansas, Austin more old scho They're
gonna run the ball, they're gonna hit play action. Kansas

(01:26:13):
didn't really have much of a running game, So I
don't know how much Corleone would have changed things because
I thought UC was pretty good against the run. He
will make and can make a big difference against Iowa State,
and if he's not in there, that gives an extreme
edge to Iowa State's offense as well. Yeah, that's the
latest on the Bearcats. We will we'll wrap up our

(01:26:34):
two when we come back, and then we'll kick off
our number three. Zach Taylor spoke to the media just
a few minutes ago Austin, and there's already stuff that
are driving me nuts. Things that I've heard that Zach
said we're going to play that at the start of
hour three. It's almost like I said word for word
what Zach was going to say today before you said it.
You pretty much did. You nailed it, We're gonna play

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it too, and then we're going to react to it
after that. It's since He three sixty right here on
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Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Do you know what happened Tony on this date two
thousand and seven? What was it? You're gonna guess? I
don't know. I don't know what happened. Bengals lost thirty
four to thirteen to the New England Patriots on Monday
Night Football to drop to one in three. Oh yeah, okay,
we've already passed out this year. It just stands out

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to me because I was at the game. Oh, I
remember it clear, Bengals were orange. That was the Patriots,
undefeated seas Randy Moss went crazy. Lost.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Yeah, Tigers, Guardians top three right now? Guardians up one
nothing on a George Valera solo home run that happened
in the bottom of the first inning for the Guardians,
and that is where things stand right now, in the
top of the third rest of the Major League Baseball

(01:28:24):
schedule today, Padres Cubs. Kittridge on the mound for the
Cubs against Dylan Ceez Who's pitching for the Padres, Andy Kittridge.
Is that his name, Andy Andrew Kittridge?

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
And then of course the nightcap tonight, Zach Lyttel, this
is what he was brought in to do. Yeah, he
was brought in to this club, Zachy punch out to
pitch Game two of the NL Wildcard Series. That's why
Lattel's here, and that's what he's got an opportunity to
do today. That's a big opportunity for Zach Lyttel as

(01:29:00):
the Reds look to stave off elimination, which Austin it's
felt like they've done about thirty times this year. This
team has staved off more eliminating games, and they get
themselves one more opportunity tonight. If they get it tonight,
What an opportunity tomorrow would be for Andrew Abbott, who
represented the Reds in the All Star Game, to have
a chance to pitch Game three and potentially help the

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Reds Advance. You got to get past tonight. You got
to get past Yoshiobu Yamyammoto. If you want to do
it tonight, Zach Taylor, he's got a lot of work.
If they want to get it done. On Sunday, you'll
hear his press conference that happened now normally he's happened
on Wednesday, but they played on Monday night and then
they play on Sunday day less, so they combine it.

(01:29:45):
He spoke today, we'll play what Zach Taylor had to
say when the day Wednesday. Oh, well that would be it.
Then wait, does he normally speak on Tuesday. No, he
normally speaks on.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Monday, Monday and Winday and Winds. He went back to
back Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
So I was confused because yesterday for the Tony Moe
Football Show, we didn't have any Zach Taylor audio. Right
now we have it today and it is Wednesday, Today's Winds.
That's good to know. Yep, more of that, just so
you know, like for moving forward, it's Wednesday. Doc Taylor
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All right, welcome back, Penn Station, our number three. ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Speaking of Penn Station, Austin,
I went in earlier today. I walked right across the
street here to get Penn Station.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Yeah. I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
There is a group of a gentlemen, all retired that
gather on Wednesdays at Penn Station to eat and play cards.
And I do ask. I think they have a little
yukre going on. They're so nice, professional about it. They
bring pads to put on their seats.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Oh, because they know they're gonna be there. They're gonna
be there a while. Nice got to go see what
the Mega cheese steak was about today? What cheese the
mega cheese steak, Mega yep more steak? You said, Mega
Mega mega cheese steaks. Okay, gotcha at Penn Station.

Speaker 15 (01:31:33):
And I got you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Talked to the station.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Now they they all listened to the show, so shout
out to them. If they're listening right now, I don't know,
there's still playing. Uh no, oh no. There was just
a big group of them, just group of men.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
It was a group of them and they seven gosh
and they they they all came up.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
In like a pack. It's a pack of wolves. And uh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
They said that they listened to the show. So shout
out to them. Set out to that, and I helped
their penn station and their card game went well. Penn
station went well as well. You didn't bring me anything back. No,
that was kind of a little bit rude. No, No,
I should. I should find a way to maybe make
some of that happen.

Speaker 18 (01:32:14):
This.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
I've only seen one quote from this press conference, and
it was the quote I did not want to read.
So here for your listening enjoyment is Zach Taylor's press conference,
which happened at the beginning of one o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Yeah, about an hour ago, and it starts with Zach
being asked about any injury updates following the Monday night game.

Speaker 46 (01:32:38):
I think overall, we came out pretty clean and so
we'll just we'll manage your day to day. But I
didn't come away thinking we're going to be losing anybody
after the last game, so feel good about it.

Speaker 11 (01:32:48):
Can't tell a print limited and his availability on.

Speaker 46 (01:32:51):
No, I mean he dealt with a hamstring early last week,
but I thought he fell through everything. Okay, we got
some corners we can rely on on, so we're not
afraid to rotate this guest through.

Speaker 11 (01:33:03):
Was that just performancing?

Speaker 46 (01:33:04):
That that you're just We're just always trying to find
find the guys that are performing the best in the moment,
and I feel like we have some good options.

Speaker 11 (01:33:10):
There has a chance.

Speaker 46 (01:33:12):
We'll see, we'll managed through the week. But he's progressing along.
We'll see if he can go this week. I couldn't
give a great answer on that one right now. Uh No,
he won't practice today, Joyer is that Charlie Joyner Jones? Sorry,

(01:33:32):
he won't practice today.

Speaker 11 (01:33:34):
Well, we'll get him through the week and see where
he's at the fact.

Speaker 46 (01:33:37):
What do you do as a coaching staff to help
Jake and maybe what can Jake do to better help himself? Yeah,
but I think first and foremost is my job to
help Jake and find ways to give our give our
guys the best chance to help Jake as well. So
I know that's a that's a very broad answer, but
each defense is a little bit unique. I think it's

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gonna be a nice plan at home. Being able to
use our verbal cadence allow us to do some things
that maybe is a little more difficult to utilize on
the road, knowing you're gonna be late with the play
call and all that kind stuff getting to the line
of scrimmage. So I'm optimistic right now that we put
together a really good plan. I'm excited to get the
work practice today. We're all accountable that three points isn't
good enough, ten points isn't good enough. Our expectations that

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we have to score a lot to take pressure off
our defense, put pressure on the opponent. We have not
done that the last two weeks in particular. And it
really starts with me on offense, getting those guys in
a rhythm, create some momentum again.

Speaker 11 (01:34:35):
So our defense isn't isn't out there all there?

Speaker 47 (01:34:37):
Zach After watching the film Monday night, what is the
best starting point for getting to the root cause of.

Speaker 46 (01:34:44):
All the penalties, Well, you got to look at each
one of them individually. One of them was a fourth
and two they called on ted first head bob that
only comes up on the road. Sometimes that will be called,
sometimes it won't. Of them was an illegal formation with
the tackle being back. That's something that they're they're on

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every every single rep, every single tackle. We have to
do a better job playing within the lines. There two
were false starts by a rookie Yuard that we got
to clean that up. That's something we can't allow us
to set ourselves back. And then one of them was
a procedural third.

Speaker 11 (01:35:20):
And long we got.

Speaker 46 (01:35:22):
We got stuck in the wrong formation on third, so
we took the delay game instead of trying to make
it right on a third fifteen or calling the time out,
we we we took a change, whether whether it was
their call, came in the huddle call, whatever it was.
When we lined up, we could see we weren't right,
and so instead of banging a tight out tight end
on third and fifteen, time out on third and fifteen,
we took the delay. So those were, to my recollection,

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all of them, the fall starts we can't have. We
have to line up appropriately with our tackles. Again, something
something every team's warned about every game. It's a big
point of emphasis the league right now. So those are
things that are nothing to do with Denver, nothing to
do with Detroit. All things we have to do better at.
We've prided ourselves on being a disciplined team. There's been

(01:36:06):
exceptions in the past where we haven't been, but I
would say through and through we've been a very disciplined team.
And too many penalties on unforced stuff the other night.

Speaker 11 (01:36:16):
Those are two tough losses in a row.

Speaker 26 (01:36:18):
You're a dad.

Speaker 11 (01:36:19):
What do you do? What do you say to these
guys to keep them up.

Speaker 10 (01:36:21):
And ready to go?

Speaker 15 (01:36:24):
Well?

Speaker 46 (01:36:24):
I mean, this is part of playing the NFL is
dealing with adversity. Every team at some point is going
to face in the adversity. We're facing it early the season.
We've done this before and so that's part of our
job is to is to come to work ready to
roll given our best habit, sans of urgency, not hanging
our heads because we've lost two games. That's unacceptable to me.

(01:36:47):
Urgency is the word I would say it. Has our
standard been acceptable on every single play in the last
two games, I would say it hasn't been.

Speaker 11 (01:36:56):
So you got a look within yourself. Is my standard acceptable?
What it was? That bad? But that bad is not
good enough. It's got to be great.

Speaker 46 (01:37:04):
And this week, on a short week, I expect our
guys to hold themselves at standard, all hold them that standard,
hold myself that standard that we have to be great.
We can't, we can't. Anything less than that is unacceptable
right now where we're at. We just got to find
a way to get our third win and get it
quickly and and build on that momentum from that brown
I think it's it's it's not an evaluation Jake Browning's

(01:37:27):
evaluation of all of us on offense. We all have
to do our part to put ourselves in the best
position possible to go score points. And that's that's me
giving Jake everything he needs, give an alignment everything they need,
really first and foremost as the head coach. It's not
a reflection one player. It's it's not me and and
so I've got to get ourselves in a better position to.

Speaker 11 (01:37:48):
Be able to go.

Speaker 46 (01:37:52):
I don't I'm not giving a grade on a single player.
I'm just saying I think we can all support our
quarterback a little bit better.

Speaker 11 (01:37:59):
Exactly.

Speaker 47 (01:38:00):
There's a lot of talk about improving the running game
going into Denver and wanting to have more balance and
whatnot based on which you have seen what is this?

Speaker 11 (01:38:11):
What did you see from the line.

Speaker 46 (01:38:13):
I thought our guys came off the ball. I think
they gave us some opportunity. There weren't explosives that we
gained there. I felt better about it coming out of
that game than I had the previous game. And so again,
we just got to continue to make improve it each week.
Each team's going to present some different structures, we got
to deal with, different personnel you got to deal with,
so the scheme can evolve a little bit each week.

Speaker 11 (01:38:33):
But I felt like there was improvement there.

Speaker 46 (01:38:36):
I don't again kind of talking about the standard where
we should be in order to do all the things
that we set up to do before the year. We're
not there yet, and I'm not gonna say that there's
time to do that, but we do need to continue
to prove every single week so that as this thing
gets going, we're rolling feel really good about that.

Speaker 8 (01:38:52):
Do you do you feel like you need to add
competition at quarterback for Jacob this.

Speaker 11 (01:38:56):
Point, I don't.

Speaker 46 (01:38:58):
I think with every position we're always this. That's the
duke's job, that's the personnel department. They do a great
job of that presenting us options when Joe went down,
of other guys we can bring in the room as well,
So we throw the leagusast that I've got a ton
of confidence in Jake. I'm unwavering in that I've seen
the best of Jake. I know that we can we
can do a great job supporting him to where he
can go win the games for us.

Speaker 11 (01:39:18):
So I feel extremely confident. Jake Browner, how did you
think Jalen played one day and at least start again
this week? Yes, he will.

Speaker 46 (01:39:25):
I felt like he did some good things for us.
It gets a really really difficult front. I mean, he's
got some all pro players up there that he had
to do battle with. And and again I'm not gonna
say that anybody played at a Pro Bowl level for us,
but to say, in his first start on the road
in Denver against that front, I was pleased with what

(01:39:46):
Jalen did, and I think he continued to build off
of that, and I was I really liked his demeanor
throughout the game. You know, I spent time over there
with those linemen and I was really pleased with the
demeanor that he had, and we just got to continue
to build off of.

Speaker 15 (01:39:57):
That they said when when we got Wrath, I'm if
he was here the first couple of weeks, people say.

Speaker 11 (01:40:02):
He acted like a ten year.

Speaker 46 (01:40:06):
There's a maturity to him, certainly when you meet him,
when you just watch him go about his business. Obviously
it's the first year in the league, but there's certainly
a maturity to Jail and that you appreciate that you
feel like when you give him a coaching point or instruction,
he's Okay, I got it, and not something you're gonna
have to remind him about ability to self correct when

(01:40:27):
something doesn't go right. I think instead of giving him
and hey, this is what it should have been, differently,
he can he can speak it very quickly on what
he can do to better himself. And so he's a
guy that's that's over this time here already has played
a lot of different spots for us. We're trying to
let him settle in at Guard and I'm pleased with
the progress that he's making and the direction that he's.

Speaker 11 (01:40:48):
In right now.

Speaker 46 (01:40:50):
I don't My number one most hated thing on planet
Earth is pregame on the field. So you that's if
you ever watched me, it's that the players do their things.
I don't ever read into a guy I had a
great pre It's like when I was an eighth grade
shooting threes before a game. Like guy might be red
hot and stinking the game and might miss one hundred
and pregame and be awesome once I get to the game.

(01:41:13):
So I've always since since eighth grade, at a tournament,
I can remember specifically what I'm talking about. I've stopped
reading into warm ups, how guys do or don't do.
I pay very little attention to it. Somebody has an
injury issue, it's brought to my attention. But if you
ever watched me a pregame, I'm doing everything I can
to just think about the game ahead and let the
players do on thing, and I don't pay much attention

(01:41:33):
to it. You got me on a rant there, because
pregame's like my arch nemesis. No, you're good.

Speaker 47 (01:41:41):
Schedule, and you knew that Detroit would be on a
short week. That's kind of basically short. When you're preparing
for an offense like Detroit. The explosiveness they're capable of
on a short week, the biggest challenge that you need
to address.

Speaker 11 (01:41:54):
Well, the physical part is difficult.

Speaker 46 (01:41:57):
This week because we got to be mindful back at
five in the morning and making sure these guys are
rested and we get the above the neck work we
get today. So that's what you'll see today. More in
the field, there's a lot on the players there. You know,
it is a tough task. I've got a lot of
respect for the job Dan and the staff do on offense.
Jared co Share for two years, got a ton of
respect for him, and so it's it's a tough task.

(01:42:19):
There's going to be some above the next stuff early
in the week. Our guys have to have to own it.
So anywake the physical reps tomorrow and Friday, we make
the most of them because it'll be less this week
than normal. I trust our guys will be able to
do that. We just got to be able to They
got to do it on Sunday. So I'm excited to
watch how to handle the week. And I think in
past years they've handled this week very well and so

(01:42:39):
we just we got to do more of the.

Speaker 11 (01:42:41):
Same after the last couple weeks.

Speaker 15 (01:42:43):
As your process this week in terms of you know,
actually it's a play caller.

Speaker 46 (01:42:46):
And how you've won the offense to look what you
have we call the last couple weeks that you did,
what is that look quite as you get right for
them for Sunday? Well, I think it's a unique week
again because we're short today, so you're really you got
a lot of work to do and not as many hours.
And our guys have done a great job over the
weekend trying to prepare for this. I get up to
speed more yesterday, not so much before the Denmer game.

(01:43:08):
So again, we haven't changed a lot to our process,
suss I believe in whether people want to hear that
or not, it served us well over the years. And
just because we face the adversity and haven't done our
best the last two weeks doesn't mean we're going to
scrap everything and do a whole new operation. We do
have to find the things that we can hang our
hat on to do well that give us confidence how

(01:43:30):
to feature our best players, and so again that's no
different than.

Speaker 11 (01:43:34):
What we've tried to do these last couple of weeks.

Speaker 46 (01:43:36):
We just haven't been a successful But again I've got
a lot of faith in our staff and our players
that will come together and create some momentum for ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
How much fun is this matchup?

Speaker 15 (01:43:45):
For you just personally go knowing Dan as well as
you have kind of don't go back to Miami life.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
How you ever loved.

Speaker 46 (01:43:52):
Back and reply I hope it's not going all yeah, no, no,
I mean that those are I have tremendous memories with Dan.
I mean, Dan and I go further than anybody would
ever realized. But got a lot of respect for him.
He's done an unbelievable job. I do reflect back on
in twenty twenty one when we went up there his
first year. I don't think they'd won a gamey and
I could be wrong.

Speaker 11 (01:44:12):
Maybe they'd won one.

Speaker 46 (01:44:13):
I don't think they'd won any but knowing what they
were building, you could tell they played with a lot
of undrafted free agents on defense, and you could just
tell they had the identity of their coaching staff, their
head coach, the way that they played, and they might
have had all the talent in the world then and
we got the best of them that day, but you
could see something that was building in the future. Whether

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whether people believed it at the time or not, it
was very clear. And so now you're here in twenty
twenty five and they've had the success they've had over
the years they have the success they've had this year,
winn three in a row. It's a really good football team.
I love personally playing these types of games. These are
my favorite games to play. This is why we do it.

Speaker 11 (01:44:51):
Again.

Speaker 46 (01:44:51):
Our backs against the wall a little bit going in
this game off of two losses. That's perfect, you know.
I'd like to see how everybody responds, who lives in fear,
who thrives, And it's it's a great opportunity for a
coach to really assess what guys are made of, myself included.
And so again it's a tremendous opportunity that we are
we are not running from.

Speaker 11 (01:45:10):
We are running directly into when the offense is struggle
on the way you guys are right now.

Speaker 41 (01:45:15):
How much of that leads into the defensive game plan
we're maybe a little more conservative.

Speaker 11 (01:45:20):
Yeah, no, it doesn't. It doesn't need to bleed into
the game plan.

Speaker 46 (01:45:24):
I'll be foolish if I don't think at some point
in the second half of a game, when when the
offense isn't doing it and you're having to go out
there on the field again and again.

Speaker 11 (01:45:32):
At some point, it wears you out, you know. And so.

Speaker 46 (01:45:35):
I thought particularly to start the second half, and we
got the ball, our guys got them to punt several
times in a row, and then finally that last drive
we got worn down a little bit and have a
mental area there at the very end, and they score
seven points. But when you talk about playing complimentary team football,
that's what I'm talking about. Like we've even if we're
not scoring touchdowns necessarily we're kicking a field goal. We're

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possessing the ball and driving and giving those guys a
break so they can come out with some confidence and energy.

Speaker 11 (01:46:02):
And so again I.

Speaker 46 (01:46:05):
Know that offense will be We put the defense in
a tough spot, you know, particularly these last two weeks
with the turnovers and giving them short fields and not
giving them something to Okay, offense went down square a touchdown.

Speaker 11 (01:46:15):
Now let's go and do our job and get this stop.
So we'll come together.

Speaker 46 (01:46:18):
It's still early in the season, and again there's the
nice thing about a locker room is there's no finger pointing.

Speaker 11 (01:46:23):
Everybody takes accountability. What can I do better? And we'll
find a rhythm and being a shit Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
That is Zach Taylor from about one o'clock this afternoon.
Let's break let's come back and let's react. You need
a moment to collect yourself to some of what we
heard there from the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals
on this the home of the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
Yeah. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Now sure, welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Back since e three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Nats
Sports Station thanks to Penn Station.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
We just heard from Zach Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Just a couple of minutes ago, and we'll take some
phone calls if you want to.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
React to anything Zach Taylor had to say today.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
A couple things Austin that I wrote down. One Kam
Taylor Britt not injury related, that he was taken off
the field.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
Yeah. I also saw that Al Golden said this has
to be a turning point for him. Yeah, the for
him being gam Taylor Britten. The folks at Gridiron Grading.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
Tweeted out the Bengals picks since twenty twenty one, when
they picked between ten and sixty Jackson, Carmen, Dax Hill,
Cam Taylor, Britt, Miles Murphy, DJ Turner, Amarius Mems and
Chris Jenkins.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
A lot of swings and misses right there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Normally when you're picking between ten and sixty. You're picking
on guys they're going to impact the team. How many
of those guys have an impact? I thought Dax Hill
was one of the two players that played well on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Yeah, I think there's been more positive than negative for
Dax and Mims, but mostly a negative impact from all
those other guys.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Yep, Chris Jenkins maybe a little still unknown, but I
think of all of those, it's Das at a starter
level that you're getting mentioned. Mims has not been great,
so Cam Taylor Britt not injury related. Something's gonna have

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to flip quickly with him. Zach also talked about urgency.
Do you see any urgency when you watch this team?

Speaker 14 (01:48:40):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Not really in any way that they operate. No. He
also talked about the standard. What is the standard? Right?
Could you define the standards?

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Please define what the standard is, because there's no way
anything has been lived up to in the last couple weeks.
And I'm talking about the standard on Sundays, and I'm
talking about the standard on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Anytime you're getting together, what is the standard? And how
short are you falling?

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
Of that. Yeah, because the standard is not standards. A
standard false starts right, it's not lining up in the
wrong formation, it's not you know, being too far off
the line of scrimmage when you know it's a point
of emphasis. That stuff. That is day one stuff. And
it to me, the whole run of the last two

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weeks feels like a complete lack of focus by the team.
And maybe that festers and you don't realize it after
the loss of Burrow, and everybody is just kind of like,
oh crap, and you go into the week with a
bad attitude and it's snowballs the way it did against Minnesota,
and then you might be a little bit tight going

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into Denver and it's snowballs against Denver. Now, how do
you respond? And it's the standard? The standard has not
been met. It's not the standard. I live by a
what is the standard? Team? What is the standard? Should
be able to do the little stuff right? Shouldn't you
at least at the bare minimum? At least? That confused me.

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But nothing confused me more, Austin. Nothing confused me more
than Zach's use of words and talking about Jake Browning.
Utmost confidence in Jake Browning He went on to use
the term unwavering confidence. I broke down six plays, just
six plays from the game. I watched Jake Brownan against Minnesota.

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I watched Jake brown against Denver thoroughly. How can you
sit up there with a straight face and I get
its coach speak and say that you've got unwavering confidence
in Jake while also acknowledging that Duke Tobin and the
scouting staff have put options together and presented them with
options of quarterbacks that could be available, and the conversation

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remains unwavering confidence in Jake Browning kind of felt like
the first time I've ever heard Zach say that is
Duke's job, which I thought was interesting. But yeah, I mean,
I don't know what's more helpful to tell Jake Browning

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in the media that you have unwavering confidence in him,
or to say though that they hit that the locker
room does, or to go out and say Jake has
to play better.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
I think it very easy to say Jake has to
play better, and we are going to keep our options
available and make sure that we're turning over every stone
to make sure that we're giving our team the best
chance to win. What damage does that do.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Yeah, I mean that's that's what Duke Tobin is supposed
to say, but Duke doesn't talk.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
How can you be considered authentic if you're going to
say you've got unwavering confidence in the quarterback we've seen
for the last two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
I don't get that you're not taken seriously by anybody.
By saying no, you're you're putting more questions on yourself. Yeah,
you're shouldering more of the load, which I can respect.
Zach said it starts with me, it's on him. We've
been saying that, and I think you know, he's not
naive enough to say that. You know, all collectively, we

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all got to do better. It's not just me. He
at least takes the accountability from it in that sense,
which is good. But you're making it worse on yourself
by saying, you know, we have complete faith in Jake. Okay, well,
unwavering faith in Jake. Well, now there's unquestionable, unquestionably no

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faith in you right off of the way that he's
performed the last couple of weeks. Yeah, I to me,
it just doesn't add up. It does not make much
sense as to who and what this team is and
the direction they're going. Because right now, it's my opinion, Austin,
that the folks in that locker room are looking and

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paying very close attention to what's happening. We're gonna make
any moves, oh Like, let's be honest, true serum. What
do you think Jamar Chason T. Higgins are thinking. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
If Zach gets up there and says, we've got on
wavering confidence in Jake?

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
What do you think those guys are thinking, We're not
We're not gonna win another game? What are we doing? What?

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
What are we Why are we not adding Why are
we not why are we not adding pieces? Why are
we not trying to go all in on this thing?
Because again, my thought going into today was one of
three options. Buy, make an addition or two sell, see
what you can get in return for some players, or

(01:53:44):
just keep status quo and say, hey, we're good with
where we're at. We just got to play a little better.
The standard is the standard. We got to use some emergency,
but we have confidence in Jake and what we're doing.
Show me an instance consistently in the last two football
games where there's been confidence in what you've seen at quarterback.

(01:54:10):
I can't find it, and it goes across the term
of just coach speak when you're up there saying that.
And again, Austin, he didn't have to get up there
and say Jake Browning has been terrible, we need to
get a new quarterback, but he could say the product
we've put out there in the last two weeks is

(01:54:30):
unacceptable for our standard, and we're going to exhaust every
avenue to make sure we're giving this chance or this
team the best chance to win.

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
What would be wrong with that?

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Because it doesn't shut the door in the addition, but
it also doesn't throw Jake under the bus. What's been
done the last two weeks by all levels has been unacceptable,
and we will always exhaust options to make sure we're
putting the best group out there to give ourselves a
chance to win.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
Not we've got unwavering confidence in our guy, Jake Browning.
That's crazy to me, That is absolutely crazy, and I
think malpractice because you can't watch these last two games
and have unwavering confidence in that. I put up on

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Twitter last night. Will we have a Bengals players only
meeting this week that we'll find out about m that's
obviously normally a sign of yeah, things are not going well,
and perhaps division between the players and the coaching staff.

(01:55:40):
I feel like if Browning comes out again this week
and plays poorly, It's one thing if you just get
beaten by another by a good team and Jake goes
twenty five for thirty two for two hundred and forty
yards and two touchdowns. It's another thing if you leave
a bunch of plays out there, you punt several times,

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you're completely non competitive. Again, yep, that you can't have
faith anymore, You can't have unwavering faith in the guy.
And again, we all know that this is bigger than
one player and one quarterback right now, without a doubt.
But you saw it, you outlined it, We've talked about it.

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There were plays that were left out there against Denver
that could have at the very least made that game competitive.
It's going to be an even tougher hill to climb
this week against Detroit. Yeah, And so at what point
does it get to where there is that division and
there is that conversation and you know this is Jamar Chase,

(01:56:45):
Is he the guy to say it? Because I'm looking
around the locker room is devoid of the leadership of
the past. Von Bell's gone, Mike Hilton's gone, Sam Hubbard's gone.
Those dudes aren't there anymore. And I think they carried
a lot of that locker room leadership type of stuff.

(01:57:05):
And Joe being hurt, it's not the same from him.
Trey Hendrickson, I don't think is somebody that a lot
of players connect with, are great friends with, or are
you know, really close with. And he doesn't really seem
to me as the type of locker room leader like
maybe a Sam Hubbard is. And maybe I'm getting that
entirely wrong about Trey Henderson, but he talked about wanting

(01:57:27):
to be a leader, wanting to be a captain, and
who's going to step up and be the leader? Right?
It's tough for Ted Carris and Orlando Brown to do that.
I mean they, to their CREDITI have taken accountability in
the media, but they've played awful, both of them. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
By the way, he played for the Houston Oilers in
nineteen sixty nine and nineteen seventy two. Spinnis stem with
the Bengals from seventy two to seventy five and then
San Diego Chargers nineteen seventy six Hall of Famer Charlie Joyner.
How much could Charlie Joyner help this team? Tim Bracey
seems to think quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
We'll take a break, take a couple of years. Is
Isaac Curtis playing on Sunday for the Bengals next?

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
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Speaker 13 (01:58:13):
Us from fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
Welcome back, Cincy three sixty. Thanks for listening on the
Home of the Bengals. ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
Thanks to our friends at Penn Station. Uh, we got
time for a couple of phone calls and we're gonna
go check in with Mowaggar, who's at Oakley Greens today
for the Moegger Show.

Speaker 3 (01:58:31):
Looking for Mo. We're looking for Mo right now. We're
looking for Jay. What's up? Jay?

Speaker 10 (01:58:35):
Hey? What's up?

Speaker 40 (01:58:36):
Guys?

Speaker 16 (01:58:37):
You know I just heard what you said And of
the coach of the Bengis says he's got the most
confidence and get backup quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
What is he looking at right?

Speaker 16 (01:58:46):
This guy's he's been around football long enough to know
either you got it or you don't have it. And
I'm telling you, if I'm looking at this guy, he
doesn't have it, So move on, go out and get somebody,
you know, don't stay with And they ain't working. The
receivers they're telling you it ain't working. The guy can't
get in the ball. So you know, chases numbers are

(01:59:08):
dropping off. You know, hey, they got to make a
chance if they want to salvage anything in this season.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
Yep, all right, Jay, thank you man, I appreciate it. Yeah,
that to me is the biggest thing. The question I
have going forward, Austin is about the culture in the
locker room and how good is it for culture. If
guys in the locker room watch the tape like that's
not very good. We're missing on a lot. And then
you come out and you say you got the utmost

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confidence in them, unwavering. What would it take for that
confidence to waiver? Again, This is very simple. The standard
has not been met in each of the last two weeks.
It's our job to make sure we get to the
standard and put the best eleven out there. We have

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to compete, we have to evaluate, and if that means
we bring someone in to compete, so be it. But
we are exhausting every option. That's the talking point.

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
How much of that is in Zach's control. Though he
could say we're gonna give Mike White a shot, I
don't even tell an even because that's the guys that
are on the roster.

Speaker 2 (02:00:18):
Yeah, I don't even need him to say we're gonna
give someone a shot. I just want to say, Hey,
we're gonna evaluate things throughout the week and make sure
that we have the best options out there to play.
Don't that to throw Jake under the bus. But to
come out and say unwavering confidence, that to me is
crazy because the guys in the locker room, there's no
way they can believe that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:35):
What if it is saying that he only has confidence
in Jake and that it's Duke's job to find somebody.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
Better that see That to me was interesting about what
he said because he he kind of spun off and
he said, you know, Duke Tobin and his staff have
done a great job of putting options in front of
us of players. Does that mean you have the ability
to get those players if you want, or is that
their decision?

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
Because you know, Duke is the one who should be
saying we're turning over everything correct. Duke is the one
who should be saying, yeah, we're thinking about calling, We've
called teams, we've called quarterbacks, and blah blah blah blah blah.
But Duke doesn't talk right. Makes it tough, It makes
it does make it tough on on Zach. I am
not making an excuse for him, because I do think
at the bare minimum, you should take a look at

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Mike White, right. He comes from it from an offensive
system in Buffalo and played pretty well in the preseason
from what I remember, and has some NFL experience and
maybe has played better in his NFL experience than Jake Browning.
I mean, the the least can't be that much longer,
can't can't imagine. I also thought it was it was
funny talking about he was asked about Dan Campbell. He

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came up with Campbell in Miami and he talked about
when they went up to Detroit in twenty twenty one
and the Lions stunk at that point, but he said,
you could tell that the Lions reflected the personality of
their head coach, and you know standard our guy Jason
tweeted this at us. He said, it makes sense because
the Bengals have Zach's personality nice and lost. I think

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Zach's personality is like this, calm, controlled and confident. I
think Burrow is also like that. But I don't think
the team right now reflects either of their personal.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
But if you're gonna have someone like that, you have
to have someone else that can jump jump these guys
if you need to.

Speaker 3 (02:02:22):
And who do they have? Who does that?

Speaker 18 (02:02:24):
You know?

Speaker 3 (02:02:24):
Who's not there anymore? Mark Duffner, you remember him? I do.
He was the guy who said they got to play
s a lot of times. He was like, tough dude,
He's not there anymore. Is Al Golden? That type of
guy not in his defense? His defense just sits back.
They don't pressure. Uh, Mark, let's take your calls. Well,

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what's up, Mark?

Speaker 21 (02:02:48):
Hey?

Speaker 43 (02:02:49):
I think Zach Taylor just just showed you what's wrong
with the Bengals in this press conference. He just admitted
that he's not paying any attention to the team in
warm up. He doesn't pay any attention to the preseason.
You know, one of the big problems with Jake Browning
is he got very little time with the starting lineup
and he's thrown to the Wolves and we you know,

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halfway through week two. Zach Taylor just admitted it in
this press conference, and it's the whole thing about a
coach not looking at his players and shoot arounds in
a basketball game. You think if Steve Curry is watching
Steph Curry and warm ups and Steph Curry's banging threes
from all over the court, that he's not going to

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pay attention to.

Speaker 16 (02:03:33):
That, right, I mean, come on, we need a coach.

Speaker 43 (02:03:39):
Jake Browning proved that he's a good quarterback last year.
I'm not blaming this on Jake Browning. He's lost because
he was never given any practice with this starting lineup.
He was playing with the second and third string in
the preseason, and he's you're throwing him into the middle.
You know, let's go to Denver and play a mile

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high against one of the best defenses in the NFL,
and fans think that he's gonna go out and and
be like Joe Burrow and score twenty eight thirty two.
It's not gonna happen with somebody who's never even had
any practice time with that team.

Speaker 3 (02:04:20):
This is all I mean, He's had plenty of practice
time with those guys. He played seven games with most
of those guys just a couple of years ago. Well,
that's a lot of different faces.

Speaker 43 (02:04:28):
Though since then, since then.

Speaker 3 (02:04:30):
But still, I mean, he's still been around quite a bit.
I mean, and he's also been practicing with them for
the last two weeks and engineered a game winning comeback
with him against against Jacksonville just a couple of weeks ago.
I mean, So it's not like it's impossible. I mean,
you can't take all the blame from Zach here. Zach
deserves a lot of it. He can't say that Jake

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Browning isn't without blame. Like, of course, he did not
play well against against Denver.

Speaker 43 (02:04:58):
No, he didn't. He didn't really play well against Jacksonville.
He got lucky through three interceptions too. But I'm saying
he had no reps with these guys. All his reps
in preseason were with the second and third string.

Speaker 16 (02:05:11):
He got he didn't get it.

Speaker 43 (02:05:13):
He's he's obviously not in rhythm with him right now.
But we know that he's capable of it because we've
seen it. We saw it when he came in for
Joe Burrow.

Speaker 16 (02:05:24):
The last time.

Speaker 43 (02:05:25):
He did a good job. He was he was a
good quarterback at serviceable NFL quarterback as a backup.

Speaker 9 (02:05:32):
Uh.

Speaker 43 (02:05:33):
Yeah, I think they should go out and maybe get Wilson. Uh,
because you need somebody with experience to step in.

Speaker 16 (02:05:42):
You know, you got to.

Speaker 43 (02:05:43):
You got this this powerful offensive machine, but there's nobody
driving it, including the coach. All the penalties, all the
and to admit that you don't pay any attention to
your players and warm ups. What if the player's tripping
all over himself in warm ups, you're not gonna take

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that into account. I means, I just think that was
a ridiculous thing for him to admit that that I
don't pay any attention to the warm ups.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
That's that's fair. Mark, Thanks for your call. Listen, I'll
say this, I would pay attention to warm ups.

Speaker 3 (02:06:19):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
Practice wise, Austin. In the NFL, if the starter wants
every single rep, they get every single rep, correct Like
Peyton Manning and notorious the number two in Denver or
Indy never got any practice reps because he wanted every
single practice rep to get every look and make sure
he felt good going into the game. Right, You can

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as a head coach in the NFL like you can't
during the week, say okay, Joe good set but I'm
gonna give Jake these last three plays, and Joe gets
as many as.

Speaker 3 (02:06:48):
He wants, right, And keep in mind, you know, after
the twenty three season, which Jake played seven games or whatever,
or the twenty three season, he got all the training
camp reps while Joe's calf was hurt, he played seven
games with them. And while there are some new faces,
the offense is pretty much the same, the players are
pretty much the same. I understand he didn't play that

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much last year, and I get that that whole situation,
But to act as if those reps mean nothing, I think,
is that's nonsense. We got to get to Mo. Movikers
at Oakley Greens.

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
He'll join us next for quick kits on ESPN fifteen
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Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
From the Clement Cincy three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen
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Speaker 3 (02:07:36):
Wrong button, that's not the right button. I was trying
to press this one was looking for Mo.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
Yes, I think we found Mo at Oakley Greens right
now for quick kits.

Speaker 15 (02:07:43):
Hey, Mo, it's not Oakley Greens, guys, Oh, Oakley Reds.

Speaker 3 (02:07:48):
Oh that's fair. I saw the sign. That's true. That's fair,
Oakley Reds.

Speaker 15 (02:07:55):
Where we are getting ready for Reds baseball tonight game
two Reds and Dodgers unless you know, it's interesting. On Monday,
I asked a pole question, who's gonna win and in
how many games? And the majority of people said Reds
in three. So we're giving up on that. Oh, Hunter
Reen's not going to pitch the night, so they have
a chance. That's true.

Speaker 2 (02:08:17):
We've talked about this pitching staff all year, and you
knew it eventually was gonna come down to a loser
go home game with Zach Ltel.

Speaker 15 (02:08:25):
We you know, I remember we talked back in May
if they could just get Zach Ltel because that's the
guy you want on the bump and any sort of
do or die game, and so.

Speaker 3 (02:08:32):
And so here we are. I just here's what I hope.

Speaker 15 (02:08:35):
You know. Hunter Green has put the Reds on his
shoulders so many times that if there's a guy who's
allowed a mulligan a bad day, so to speak, it's
my guys. So now it's up to Hunter's teammates to
do what he has done for them so many times
and give him a chance in Philadelphia to redeem himself
in I guess it would be Game two on Monday,

(02:08:55):
So give Hunter. A lot of great pitchers have had
bad posy. Trust me as the Hunter Green apologist. I
spent a lot of time this morning looking them up.
I found a game where Tom Glavin once gave up
eight runs in one inning. That guy's in Cooperstown. So
but the deal is his team gave him opportunities to
pitch in the postseason. So can the Reds do Hunter

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Green a solid like he has done them a solid
so many times, and give him a chance to redeem
himself against the Phillies. I guess we'll start to find
out tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:09:25):
A lot on the Reds. What else do you have
coming up on the show today?

Speaker 16 (02:09:28):
Uh?

Speaker 15 (02:09:29):
Well, Charlie Joyner and the Bengals have a game on
Sunday against the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 3 (02:09:34):
Barry Sanders and the Lions.

Speaker 15 (02:09:36):
Is the Billy Simms? Is Eric Kramer? Calvin Johnson? Is
there anybody who's not expecting a blood bath? Well, I'd
be honest.

Speaker 2 (02:09:46):
Zach Taylor, because he's got unwavering confidence in Jake Browning.

Speaker 3 (02:09:51):
Okay, I don't believe him.

Speaker 15 (02:09:52):
I do not for a second believe that Zach Taylor
has unwavering confidence and how could you what.

Speaker 2 (02:10:00):
Would be what would be wrong though with saying, look,
what's what's been done the last two weeks is not
our standard. We need to exhaust every opportunity to make
sure we're giving ourselves the best chance to win, whatever
that may be. And that's how we're gonna operate going forward.

Speaker 15 (02:10:13):
Jake has to be better.

Speaker 3 (02:10:15):
That's fair quarterback play.

Speaker 15 (02:10:16):
The level of quarterback play on Monday was was not
up to snuff, was not good enough, and if it continues,
there's there's gonna be a change, many will argue, and
I think we have the change either should be happening
right now or should have already happened. But I I don't.
I don't believe him. I don't. I don't believe Zach Taylor.

(02:10:38):
And I just you know, everybody always talks about well
what Joe Burrow gonna think? What do you think Joe
Burrow is thinking right now?

Speaker 14 (02:10:44):
Like?

Speaker 15 (02:10:44):
Really, yeah, well, my my toe, my toe herds, my
knee hurts. Really, I mean that bad. You guys can't
be competent. So we're we're gonna spend some time on that.
Paul Danner Junior is usually with us on Tuesdays. He's
not gonna join us at Oakley Greens because the day's
a big work day for him and the folks that
cover the team, but he is going to join us.
Richard Skinner's gonna join us a lot of our typical

(02:11:07):
stuff we do during the week in between all the baseball.
You know, it's interesting if in early September I was
told Mo, don't talk baseball, talk Bengals. Oh we did,
and it's like Mo White talking Bengals, talk Reds now.
The Reds are down, So.

Speaker 3 (02:11:21):
Perhaps why not talk Bearcats.

Speaker 15 (02:11:23):
We turn our attention to a team that is trending
upward that I think right now can be considered a
dark horse, and some I've heard rumblings national championship dark horse.
Do you see Bearcats?

Speaker 3 (02:11:40):
Wow? All I know is if the if the Bearcats
make the college football Playoff and they have a first
round game against Penn State, I'm taking the Bearcats.

Speaker 15 (02:11:49):
Is there a more universally disliked college football coach active
college football coach right now than James Franklin.

Speaker 3 (02:11:59):
May be Dabbo and Brian Kelly.

Speaker 15 (02:12:03):
Maybe I guess, but like, well.

Speaker 3 (02:12:06):
If you asked this question in mad maybe it's somebody different.
I love James Franklin as the highest station.

Speaker 15 (02:12:12):
I like Brian Kelly. Those guys have one big true
James Franklin's won big ish.

Speaker 3 (02:12:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:12:21):
I think James Franklin could be a six and six
coach and people would dislike him. I think if Daboswiney
and Brian Kelly were six and six coaches, people were
just kind of forget about him. I don't know, maybe
I'm wrong about that, but Saturday night and I would
admit I was one of them. People took like sheer
delight in James Franklin losing that. I don't think happens
like people getting excited Austin when Ohio State loses, right,

(02:12:45):
but they don't go man, I'm glad Ryan Day lost.

Speaker 3 (02:12:48):
Right.

Speaker 15 (02:12:48):
People didn't care about Penn State. They were glad James
Franklin lost. Yeah, And I'm kind of curious as to
why that is, but yeah, give me a first round
matchup Katz versus Ninny Lions at Nippert State duel.

Speaker 2 (02:13:01):
Fan base is being asked to stripe. There's respective stadiums
MO the Bearcats on Saturday the Bengals on Sunday, which
fan base pulls off the more successful striping.

Speaker 15 (02:13:10):
Well, Iowa State has read in their color scheme the
Detroit Lions.

Speaker 3 (02:13:14):
Do not have bla Honolulu blue, do.

Speaker 15 (02:13:17):
Not have orange. Uh, it's gonna be a lot of
blue and silver in the park on Sunday four twenty five.

Speaker 3 (02:13:23):
Last I saw standing room only tickets for Bengals Lions
were two hundred and fifty dollars.

Speaker 15 (02:13:29):
Gosh, what would that have been had the Bengals won
on Monday?

Speaker 3 (02:13:34):
What had been right if Joe Burrow was playing?

Speaker 15 (02:13:36):
Yeah, but like that's the thing, all right, when they
got past the can they get off to a good
start thing? You were looking at these games that felt
like they had the potential to be monster games Detroit,
Green Bay, Pittsburgh perhaps, like you were looking at these
games that had a chance to be like just monster games.

(02:13:56):
And now who's looking at Sunday from our perspective with
any out of excitement.

Speaker 3 (02:14:01):
Right, it's not much.

Speaker 2 (02:14:03):
I'm more excited about what you got coming up from
three to six mo It's gonna happen on the ESPN
fifteen thirty or go see mo at Oakley Reds.

Speaker 15 (02:14:11):
We're gonna put our faith in Zach Lttel, and we're
gonna hope that he and his teammates can force a
game three. And then Andrew Abbott can say to Hunter Green, Hunter,
I will give him you a chance to redeem yourself,
just the way you've given our team a chance to
remor self time and again.

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
More confidence than Zach Lateel tonight or Zach Taylor on Sunday,
zachl Okay, there we go.

Speaker 15 (02:14:32):
Confidence in Zach Taylor to do what put his pants
on for the game.

Speaker 11 (02:14:36):
He's got the.

Speaker 3 (02:14:36):
Utmost confidence in these guys.

Speaker 15 (02:14:38):
Good confidence to time.

Speaker 3 (02:14:42):
Wow, that's a lot to ask some players as well.
Zach should be fresh, have a chance to sleep in
and get caught up, clear mind, an opening script and
then we'll put it since time.

Speaker 2 (02:14:51):
As a dad, he's got those responsibilities. Oh my god,
thanks man, have a great show. Charley Earley Joiner joining
the show later with Mo as well.

Speaker 3 (02:15:01):
ESPN. Tony has a dad. How do you plan to uh,
I'll tell you tomorrow. How do you plan to do
the show tomorrow? As a dad?

Speaker 2 (02:15:08):
I'll tell you tomorrow. Brendan sooresbi going to join us
at twelve thirty tomorrow. Make sure you're here for that
and uh everything from noon to three. Moe's Next on
ESPN fifteen thirty.

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