Monday Midday Quarterback -- 9-16-24

Tony and Austin breakdown the Bengals loss to the Chiefs, on ESPN 1530!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Monday Midday Quarterback Show brought to you in porkby a
door and window company. They sell the best and service
the rest. Cincinnati Tax Resolution powered by Tove Sheldon, Sweet
Life Heating and there Where service always comes with a
cherry on top. Do not Ows, the official pizza of
the Bengals, and by Thomas Moore University. Accelerate your career

(00:21):
with a business degree from Thomas Moore University. On the
official home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
All right, here we go. You know what that means.
It's time now for the Monday Midday Quarterback right here
on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thank you, obviously
everyone you just heard from there that helps make this possible. Also,
thank you to our friends at Skyline Chile, where anytime
you're feeling good and hungry, it's Skyline time. It's another addition,
it's a new week, and yet we have an zero

(00:50):
and two start to talk about with the Cincinnati Bengals. Today.
We have a win in the battle for the victory
bell that we'll get to with the Cincinnati Bearcats. We'll
look across the rest of the landscape of college football
and the National Football League. We'll do this all leading
up to three o'clock and then I'm gonna head south
this week. Now we're back in Westchester next week. But
it's the second edition, but the first edition for me

(01:13):
this year, of the Tony and Mo Football show. That's
going to take place in Florence, y'all at the Florence
Twin Peaks. So if you're able to come out to
the show today, see a live show, Mo and I'll
be there. We'll be doing everything to break down the
latest Cincinnati Bengals loss. I'm in between, to be quite honest,

(01:34):
and before we even dive anymore into this, I will say,
as we kind of recap everything that happened yesterday, that
is thank you to our friends at Classroofing System of Cincinnati,
the trusted local roofing and gutter company. Visit krscinti dot com.
That's Krscinti with a y dot com. I'm conflicted today
as we dive into things because I'm never won for

(01:55):
moral victories, and yet I threw a question mark down
here today on my show Notes of More Victory Monday,
because it feels like the large portion of people that
I've talked to feel a lot better about the team
today than they did last Monday, and rightfully so. They
just went toe to toe with the back to back
defending Super Bowl champs and they lost on a last

(02:17):
second field goal. So I know that there's a lot
of folks that see that as a positive, especially with
how everyone felt last week after they were beaten at
home by the New England Patriots. But anyway you slice it,
it's another zero to two start for the Cincinnati Bengals.
It's a start that carries a lot of weight, and
carries a lot of stress, and carries a lot of

(02:39):
pressure because you just don't get off to a good start.
And it was something that was discussed so much in
the off season by Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor of
we're gonna tweak the way we do the off season.
We're gonna tweak the way we handle training camp because
we know that there's a priority to starting fast. And yet,
regardless of any of the tweaks that have happened, this
team still sits at oh and two with now a

(03:00):
Monday night football game against the Washington Commanders looming where
they're seven and a half point favorites. But any way
you slice it, if you think there's such thing as
a good loss, if you think there's such thing is
a bad loss. Any way you slice it, it is
two losses, and it's now three games. Essentially, they're going
to separate you from the Kansas City Chiefs because they
now obviously have the heads up battle. They're two and oh.

(03:21):
You're zero and two. You fail to gain any ground
or take advantage of the Baltimore Ravens oh and two start,
the Indianapolis Colts, the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Tennessee Titans, all
oh and two, but you just fail to keep pace

(03:42):
with a lot of the teams in the AFC. We've
talked a lot about every game being important in the AFC,
and rightfully so, because there's so many teams that can
win it. Now, as we sit here today, I think
that list has already shrunk. I don't think Miami is
a contender. I don't see the Jacksonville Jaguars or the

(04:03):
Tennessee Titans the way Will Levis is playing as a contender.
But I sit here, I say, Wow, the Chargers got something,
the Chiefs have something. The Texans are good somehow, some
way here the Pittsburgh Steelers that are two to zero
and they've scored one touchdown on the season. The Cleveland
Browns found a way to win in Jacksonville yesterday, the
Buffalo Bills, the New York Jets. I think trending in

(04:26):
a positive direction. And here are the Bengals zero and two.
So I'm caught in the middle of this moral victory
Monday dilemma. Am I mad that the Bengals are zero
and two? Disappointed? Absolutely? Do I feel a little bit

(04:46):
easier and a little bit better with the way in
which they played yesterday, albeit coming up short. I think
both of those answers can be yes. So it's a
unique middle ground. And here on the Monday midday quarterback,
we'll have a chance to talk to you five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty, we'll have a chance to hear some audio. Benbaby,

(05:08):
a ESPN dot Com posted yesterday after Joe Burrow spoke
that it is the most frustrated he has heard Joe
Burrow after a loss, and that's including the Super Bowl.
And I think those frustrations are warranted because there is
good and there is bad for the Cincinnati Bengals, both
which we will dive into today. We'll talk about a

(05:31):
Cincinnati Bearcat victory, a battle for the victory bell where
the Bearcats hold on to beat the Miami RedHawks, and
it has me asking the questions, are the Bearcats any
better than what we give them credit for? Could it
be that the Bearcats have just been a victim of
one bad quarter this season? For almost three quarters? I

(05:54):
thought the Bearcats looked excellent against Pittsburgh, a team who,
by the way, just went to the backyard brawl and
beat West Virginia. Pittsburgh is undefeated, But are they one
bad quarter away from the feeling around this team being
totally different? Joe Royer, the running game, Brundon soars, Bey,

(06:15):
the run defense, Special teams, Holy cow, what a difference
week makes for special teams. Now there's questions still with
the UC Bearcats, but they start Big twelve play on Saturday.
Has a five and a half point favorite right now
against Houston as they sit at two and one. No
one's running away with the Big Twelve right now. We'll
talk more about the Bearcats today. FC Cincinnati played to

(06:37):
a zero zero draw and Austin I can honestly tell
you I have no idea what the Reds did this weekend.
Did I see somewhere that Eli da la Cruz hit
a grand Slam? I do remember that he did hit
his first career grand slam. I think they won the
series with the Twins. I have no idea what they
did yesterday. Well, they did good for them, and I
hope they did that kind of says where we're at

(07:01):
right now. They did. They lost yesterday, but they did
win two out of three against the Twins. Okay, nice,
they scored eight runs and eleven runs, job Reds, job Reds,
seventy three and seventy eight.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I think they're off today. They are off today, and
then they start a three game homestand with the Atlanta Braves.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Okay, there's your Reds update.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
The Braves, who they own, by the way, swept earlier
this year.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
We also have to talk today, and we will about
what else went on in the NFL in college football.
Let's get to some of those now as we kind
of look back at everything, and then we'll dive all
into the Cincinnati Bengals coming back. Let's start in the NFL.
Baltimore falls to oh and two. You made the point today,

(07:43):
Austin that not only as Baltimore oh and two, but
if you start to look at kind of the path
going forward here, they travel to Dallas and then they
host Buffalo before coming to Cincinnati at oh and two
and seemingly in control of that game against Raiders until late.
Justin Tucker looks human major concerns in Baltimore right now.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, I think so. I mean, they just they don't.
We talked about this team with the issues they've had
on their offensive line, with the changes in the coordinators.
Lamar Jackson missed some practice time early this week. They
had kind of that mini buy, but they're a little
bit banged up. Mark Andrews hasn't seemed to be the
game changer that we have expected him to be in

(08:27):
the past, and they lost some playmakers on defense as well.
So I think they're just trying to find their way
with this new roster and it's mostly the same roster.
But also there's change every year in the NFL, and
there's a lot of change in scheme and all that's
going through, and they got to play a first play schedule.
You look at their next few games Dallas, Buffalo, Cincinnati,
that's not a good place to be when you're rowing too. No,

(08:50):
I mean, think about this scenario for a second. Let's
say the Bengals take care of business the next two weeks. Yes,
let's say they beat the Commanders and they anthers like
they're supposed to. Then they're at two and two with
the Baltimore Ravens coming to Cincinnati. What if Baltimore loses
to both Dallas and Buffalo, Oh my goodness, the Bengals

(09:10):
would essentially have a chance to bury the Baltimore Ravens
in be five. Yes, that would be a pretty great
scenario for the Bengals, and so I'm kind of hoping
that that's the case.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, you could very well see them winning and finding
their footing. Absolutely, I don't think Lamar's looked necessarily great.
So Baltimore has some questions. And yet on the other
side of that, Austin somehow, some way, and I know
they've not played a you know, a world beater of
a schedule. The Pittsburgh Steelers have scored one touchdown this

(09:45):
season and they're somehow two and zero. Yeah, Falcons and Broncos,
I get it. But I know one thing we can
say that Pittsburgh defense looks just as strong as ever.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
They're so good, they look very, very good, and that's
enough to get eat them in games while they try
to figure out what's going on with their quarterback situation
and their offense as a whole. I'm not in on
the Steelers yet as being a good team. I think
they might be considered a capable team, but I don't
know that they're a good team.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
And I think a good test for them this week
because they get the Chargers at home. I think that's
a good barometer. The Cleveland Browns found a way to
win yesterday. They went to Jacksonville and got to win.
And how about some of these teams may be a
surprise to some, but I don't think everybody. You were
beating this drum early in the offseason, Austin. The Minnesota Vikings.

(10:35):
Not only did Sam Donald look good, now they lose
Justin Jefferson. I don't know how serious the quad injury is,
but Minnesota's two and zero. They beat the San Francisco
forty nine ers, the Tampa Bay Bucks go into Detroit
and take care of the Lions. Yeah, and Arizona. Who
if you look back to Week one, Austin and you think, okay,

(10:56):
Arizona's zho to one going into the game. Arizona had
Buffalo down two touchdowns at Buffalo and they dominated the
Rams yesterday, who are dealing with a ton of injuries themselves.
But I circled those three teams, Minnesota, Tampa, and Arizona.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Can I add one more?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
The New Orleans Saints.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh my gosh, are the Saints good?

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Forty points in back to back games, forty points in
three straight if you go back to the regular season
finale last year. Clint Kubiak has that offense rock and
they dominated did whatever. They won the Dallas Dallas Cowboys
in a place I think the Cowboys have won like
sixteen straight home games or something like that. Man, crazy,
how good they've been. So the Saints are a really

(11:36):
interesting team. Uh but yeah, the it's this is the
time of the year where you're starting to think, Okay,
wait a minute, is this team actually good? I don't
know if they are. The Saints are certainly in that category.
How about you know, Arizona was incredibly impressive.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
How about Minnesota with Justin Jefferson seemingly their only weapon
in the passing game ninety seven yard touchdown catch, yess.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
I remember somebody on this show said that Sam Darnold
would win the Comeback Player of the Year award. I
don't know who said that. I just might have been Austin,
I don't know. But you know that maybe the best
performance of that game was the referee on the ninety
seven yard touchdown, Brian. I mean, he was running like
Barners five beat Jefferson to the end zone. But that
game was eerily similar to a game last year when

(12:22):
the Niners went to Minnesota and got beat in the
midst of their kind of mid season low.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
So Brian Flores just has a great plan for that
Vikings defense. And after the game, the cameras and the
MIC's caught Brock Party talking to Brian Flores saying, dude,
your scheme is crazy. So he just causes problems for
quarterbacks and that can be a big part of your
success when you're dealing with some offensive identity issues like
Minnesota is, especially without Jefferson on the field.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
In the college football landscape, we have a new number
one in college football, and rightfully so Texas, even though
klinn Owers has lost. How about Arch Manning's showing off
the march they win fifty six to seven over Utsa.
Now there's a new number one because of Georgia struggles
with Kentucky. What are you doing, Mark Stoops? What are

(13:10):
you doing? You're a three touchdown underdog at home and
you have a fourth down late in the game on
the plus side of the fifty and you punt the
ball away and you never you never have a chance
after that. Why are you not going for it? Why
are you punting the game away with a chance to
score one of the biggest upsets in recent memory in
college football?

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, go get it. I mean, these guys trust their
defenses too much. You gotta trust your offense. You gotta
give yourself a chance to do it under your control.
And he didn't, and they paid the price for it.
Georgia survives. They did not look great. They had another player,
by the way, get in trouble for reckless drive over
the weekend. Shocker. But I'll tell you who's been very

(13:50):
impressive to me. And I know they haven't really played
anybody yet, but Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
I wrote seventy one nothing over the Golden Flashes against Date.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I wrote ole miss who's an offensive firepower? I wrote
down Tennessee. By the way, Tennessee scored thirty seven in
the first quarter and then they kicked an onside kick
up thirty seven nothing. They were covered on Zo. Yeah,
I get some reps in man. Thirty seven in the first,
twenty eight in the second. They dominate Kent State. Oregon
finally found their foot footing. They dominated Oregon State. I

(14:18):
wrote down Notre Dame was a seven and a half
point favorite at Purdue. They won sixty six to seven. Wow.
LSU overcomes a slow start to win at South Carolina.
No other major upsets. Alabama dominated at Wisconsin. Did you
see Luke Fickele post game? Look like the guy was

(14:39):
seeing ghost Just does not look like a comfortable coach
up on the podium.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
And finally, can I give you a team to watch
out for in college football?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Illinois?

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, funny you say that this week Austin is a
good one. A good one. I believe it's a Friday
night game Illinois and Nebraska. Yeah, what's your take on
Dylan Royola?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
The weirdest thing I've ever seen? Hey, what are you
doing it? I think it's weird. It gives me the
he b GB's so I'll be rooting for Illinois in
that game.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
It seems like Nebraska's found something cool, though, found something good.
And what did you make not shaking any player's hands
after the win? You know, I.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Appreciate him well, I think he shook players hands, but
he didn't shake the quarterback's hand because the quarterback said yeah,
So I appreciate standing on business. But also you don't
have to show him up like that.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Okay, Uh, that's kind of where things were.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I know, I shouldn't be surprised that the Sanders kids
have huge egos, but you know they they've accomplished nothing.
At least Dion. When Dion was at Florida State, was
one of the best players in the country and he
backed it up, and he backed it up week by
week every game, and so you have a little bit
more of a right to talk should or can be

(15:56):
really good, I think, But overall he's it's not the
number one pick in the draft.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I'm looking ahead here helping himself off the field about Nebraska.
If they can win against Illinois at home, they will
beat Perdue Rutgers in Indiana and probably go into that
game at Ohio State as a top ten or fifteen
team in the country. Yeah, that's very, very possible something
to watch there. So that's kind of what happened in
the landscape of everything else. Now, listen to this stats
as I send this to Break on the Monday midday

(16:24):
quarterback because we're going to talk Bengals and you know
the feel good, you know, moral victory Monday. Here's the
stat and I believe this was from the Pat mcavee
show today. Since the NFL playoffs expanded to fourteen teams
in twenty twenty, thirty two different franchises have started the
season oh to two. Two of those thirty two teams,

(16:47):
the Cincinnati Bengals in twenty twenty two and the Houston
Texans last year, made the postseason. Just five of the
thirty two teams starting the season oh and two have
finished the season with a winning record, and only three
teams have ever won the Super Bowl after an oh
and two start, the ninety three Cowboys, the Patriots in

(17:08):
two thousand and one, and the Giants in two thousand
and seven. Those are just the stats. I know it's
a seventeen game slate. I know the Bengals are playing
a fourth place schedule, but those are the statistics. Those
are the numbers that now the Bengals have put themselves
up against because of the and two start. How they
got to and two we'll dive into will we get back?
It's the Monday Midday Quarterback here on ESPN fifteen thirty,

(17:29):
Cincinnati Sports Station, and many thanks to our friends at
Skyline Chile.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Hey, it's ma Legger. Another year, another Bengalsh and two s.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
This he's football in Thennetti, brought to you in part
by AE Door and Window Company on the official home
of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
All right, we're back. It's the Monday Midday Quarterback and
it's the uh the oh and two version Cincinnati Bengals
falling to and two with a tough road loss at
Kansas City. Harrison Butker at the Guns beat the Bengals.
Bengals cover. If you're looking for positives, there are plenty
of positives to take away. And what I wanted to
do because we need to be glass half full here

(18:11):
because it's only a two game sample size, because the
Bengals have very winnable games coming up, at least here
against Washington, where they're going to be more than a
touchdown favorite. And the Carolina Panthers, who might be, Austin,
one of the worst teams going in the National Football
League in quite some time. As we get back going here,
we are a service of our good friends at Skyline Chile.

(18:32):
Anytime you're feeling good and hungry, it is Skyline time.
This and again I stopped short of the moral victory
crowd because you got to win games. But there were
positives that I jotted down from what I saw yesterday,

(18:55):
and I'll give these Austin. If there's any other positive
that you had that I that I don't cover, I
want your opinion as well. But let's start with backing
up some talking. That's what Cam Taylor Britt did. He
talked and he backed it up. Now, he did get
beat for the Rashi Rice touchdown, but I really think

(19:17):
that it was a situation where he was in good position.
He slowed down just a little bit to leave his feet.
If he doesn't, he probably bats the ball down. But
that is a play where you can also give credit
and say good play, call, great execution, beat good defense.
But Cam Taylor Britt yesterday had one of the best
interceptions you'll ever see the one hit interception. Absolute stupidity

(19:42):
what he was able to do. Yeah, I've never seen
anything like that.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
When he caught that, I started thinking, Okay, today might
be our day. The angles might just find a way
to do this. The ball's going their way, and you know,
I think we've seen a couple times from Cam Taylor
Britt in the past where he'll kind of try to
bait the quarterback into making that throw that he made
to Rashi Rice and Mahomes just threw a dart yep
on a line and to his crew in that hole

(20:08):
shot and kind of burnt Camp Taylor Britt with his
hand in the cookie jar there. But he got the
best of him later on when he comes back with
that great play. But yeah, I thought he did a
He played very very well.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
If you're looking at an ideal scenario for players to
lead the team in tackling, it's who did yesterday. Jermaine
Pratt had sixteen tackles. Logan Wilson had twelve. That's how
you draw it up. Now, we'll talk about the run
defense as a whole when we get to some of
the negatives from the game. But from a positive standpoint,
both linebackers totaling double digits and tackling is a good

(20:43):
thing and above anyone else on the defensive side of
the ball. Look, you held in the homes to one
hundred and fifty one yards in the air. He turned
it over twice, You sacked him twice, you recover a fumble.
The defense played more than enough winning football. It wasn't
that the defense gave up twenty six either, because Burrow
had the fumble that led to the scoop and score.

(21:04):
So you take away seven from that or six from
that as well. Regardless of all of that, they held
the homes to a buck fifty one. Travis Kelsey had
won catch for five yards. And I said this yesterday,
if the Bengals win that game. For years we are
talking about the Trey Hendrickson game in Kansas City. Now

(21:27):
on the stat sheet, four tackles doesn't jump out at you.
He had two tackles for a loss. He had two sacks,
and he disrupted more plays than I can ever remember
seeing a defensive lineman disrupting a game that I've watched,
and I've watched TJ. Watt games, I've watched Miles Garrett games,
I've watched Micah Parsons games. Trey Hendrickson was phenomenal. He

(21:50):
was drawing penalties so much so that Kansas City had
to benched their starting left tackle and go to a
backup late in the game. I cannot remember a player
on defense when there's eleven out there single handedly disrupting
a game more than what I saw Trey Hendrickson do yesterday. Unbelievable.

(22:14):
And we'll talk about what I thought was mismanaging the
last play of the game and why when we get
back in the next segment. Some other positives. Andre yoshivash
two catches for touchdowns. Now Yoshi vash very weird stat
line had two catches for seven yards. Both catches came

(22:35):
for touchdowns on just four targets. The tight ends for
the Cincinnati Bengals combined for fourteen catches and one hundred
and fifty one yards, led by Mike Gasiki. We'll get
to the negative in just a few minutes, but Kasiki
had seven catches, Eric All had for Drew Sample had three,
and I thought overall, Joe Burrow's pocket presence was a

(22:58):
little calmer. I thought on a couple different instances, you
saw a little bit more of the zip on the ball. Now,
you did see the scramble where he threw the ball
to Trenton Irwin that hit off Irwin's face mask, that
had some zip, but it fluttered a little bit. You
saw a couple other passes get away from him. From
a spiral standpoint, obviously he drops the ball on the

(23:19):
sack which leads to a touchdown. But from week one
to week two, I thought we saw a vast improvement
from Joe Burrow in the pocket and delivering some of
the throws.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, I thought the same thing, and he looked more comfortable.
His timing and his rhythm was much more what you're
accustomed seeing from Joe Burrow. I did think he was
still a little bit sped up. He got a little
bit of happy feat as the game went along, and
understandably so because the two guys on the right side
of his offensive line were getting their ass kicked all game.
Alex Kappa and Trent Brown had poor performances in pass blocking.

(23:55):
From my standpoint, Chris Jones an, I'll pro for a reason.
He's a twenty million dollar defensive lineman. For a reason.
He causes problems against every team that he played. He
caused problems against the Bengals yesterday. I thought Cordell Vohlson
struggled a little bit ted. Krris is just kind of there.
He doesn't really do anything well. He's not awful. He

(24:16):
missed a big block on a screen pass that could
have went for big yardage. I have no idea where
his eyes were at. And Orlando Brown Junior has been solid,
but with the just the uncertainty I think on the
right side of the line and Chris Jones moving around
so much, especially later in the game. Burrow got a
little bit antsy towards the end of it, and I
think that that cost him on a couple of plays.

(24:38):
But at the same time, he delivered a good pass
to andre Josi Vash that was dropped, in a good
pass to Mike Gasicki that was dropped. Overall, much much
better performance from Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
There are positives, Which is there any other positive that
you had that we didn't cover there?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
I think you mentioned the tight ends, but eric All
Junior just continues to stay out. To me sure, I
think this is a Wally Pip situation for Tanner Hudson
because eric All has shown the ability to catch the
ball he's shown the ability to block. I mean, there
was a play the second andre Yosi Vosh touchdown in
which Eric Hall was one on one with George carl

(25:18):
loftis and he locks him up. Yeah, George carloft is
a good pass rusher. Now, this is one of the
better ones in the NFL, and eric All locked him up.
That was probably the best play of the day for
the Bengals in the sense of how good the offensive
line performed. But Eric Hall just kind of moving around.
That personnel grouping is still their best and they did
a lot of different stuff out of it. They were
in pistol at one point, they were under center, they

(25:40):
were in shotgun, they had backfield motion, all under that
twelve personnel package where they had a lot of success
last week. Eric All is a huge reason for that.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
You mentioned the old line, and we'll get to them
as a negative, But could you figure out a better
two game stretch if he's capable. You speak of Wally
Pip to get a Marius Mims in the next two weeks.
Washington Carolina, you know, you get Washington at home. Carolina
is not a good football team. It feels like, if healthy,
this would be the perfect time to get Mims in

(26:10):
there because Trent Brown is just not doing it, and
which we'll dive into more seventeen snaps from under center
compared to just four last week, so improvement there. Now
there are questions about the other side, the negatives, the
mistakes that took place. So here's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna break, We're gonna come back. We're gonna have
our halftime here of our number one. We're gonna take

(26:32):
a couple of phone calls. Who's performing at halftime right now?
Jeff and Johnny, Jay and Jay all the way. We'll
hear from them. Then we'll break, and then we're gonna
get to some of the mistakes, some of the negatives
that led to a twenty six twenty five loss on
the road at Arrowhead Stadium. This the Monday midday quarterback
a service of many, including our good friends at Skyline Chile.

(26:55):
Anytime you're feeling good and hungry at Skyline time on
the home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen, third Cincinnati Sports station.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
You've been listening to a football in Thennetti on the
official home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 6 (27:09):
There are many faces, Dave Lafe and you're listening to
the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Kelsey Shift. They do snap it Mahomes from the pocket,
goes toward the left sideline.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Oh tipped had picked up.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
The Bengals are on their feet and running it back.
They're saying Cam Taylor Brett might have been down. He's
still running toward the end zone that I think he
was touched after going down with the pick.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
He might have gone out of bounds. He was along
that sideline and he catches it with one hand, the
right hand, and I guess they're saying.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
It was touch.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
Wingers down time out.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
It is an interception for Camp Taylor Brett and the
Bengals have their third takeaway as the third quarter comes
to an end.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
What a way to end the third quarter. And if
you're wondering, you know, it's hard. Did you see the
picture Dan Horde Poe before the game in Kansas City. Yeah,
they are so far up in the press box and
that's on the oppum. That's hard to see. And uh,
until you saw the replay, I don't even think you
can realize or or appreciate how good that was from

(28:19):
Cam Taylor Britt. That makes him our power player of
yesterday's game. That's brought to you, of course by our
friends at Cincinnati Tax Resolution, powered by TOF Sheldon Don't
live in fear tof is here. Cam Taylor Britt talked
it and then backed it up in the game as well.
By the way, Austin, we'll dive into this in just
a few minutes. That interception ends the third quarter, as

(28:42):
you just heard Dan Horde say right there. The next series,
the first down on the thirty four is a dime
to Mike Kasicki that he drops. The second down does nothing,
and the third down Burrow is sacked, he fumbles and

(29:03):
it's picked up for a touchdown by the Kansas City Chiefs.
The swinging momentum there just unbelievable to go from that
interception and it really changed with that Kisiki drop and
then the fumble for a touchdown. Very unfortunate way to
start the fourth quarter. This is the Monday Midday Quarterback.
It's a service of our friends at Skyline Chile here

(29:25):
and our number one and we've got people that want
to talk to us. Let's start. Jeff is in the car.
He's on the way home and he's calling us right now.
What's up, Jeff.

Speaker 10 (29:37):
Happy Monday. Gents are rolling up on Saint Louis right now. Okay,
so you know, up and down weekend. Good trip on
and all one of Casey's famous barbecue joints Friday night
and got food poisoning nine for the weekend. Cost us
going to top Golf on Saturday. Downtown Kansas City is

(30:01):
apparently the motorcycle racing and drag racing capital of the
United States. Until about three o'clock in the morning. Yeah,
never heard such no Never heard such noise in my
entire life. So you know, all in all, the stadium
experience was mixed. I went the Sphere in Vegas in
July and thought I was gonna have vertigo, But we

(30:23):
were right below the press box yesterday and on the
sunny side of the field. It's absurd how steep that.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Upper deck is.

Speaker 11 (30:29):
It's so steep that it.

Speaker 10 (30:31):
Did not sound like there was any crowd noise.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Whoever.

Speaker 10 (30:34):
I asked the guy sitting next to me, I'm like,
it doesn't seem very noisy. He goes, it's we were
on the sunny side. So I spent basically the second
quarter on the concourse because I'd already sweated through my clothes. Yeah,
and then went back out for the second half and
sweated through my clothes again. I just thought it all

(30:58):
in all, I'm I'm I can't wait to get back
from Monday night football. You know, they came out first play,
the game was under center. I'm like, great, let's roll,
you know, and there were so many promising things. Jamar
needs a psychiatrist. I would think. I don't know what
his problem is, how much of it is contract related

(31:19):
or not. But I thought that a second dropped really
was the biggest play of the game, and going from
third and seven to third and twenty two was right
up there. You know, we see coaches run from thirty
yard line to thirty yard line yelling all kinds of
stuff at the officials all week long. I can't imagine
what Jamar said to the guy that caused him to

(31:41):
get a flag, But you know, Joe ran in there
trying to stop him, and he couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
I think Joe realized how Joe realized the extent of it.
And I think if Jamar just walks away originally after
what he initially said he's fine, but he was clearly
clearly going back in and he was now he was
screaming at this official and apparently that that is enough
to warrant the flag in that situation.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
And there is a.

Speaker 10 (32:08):
Magic words that.

Speaker 11 (32:09):
Obviously, I think, you know, Yoshi's getting.

Speaker 10 (32:13):
Called for a drop, but that throw was on him
and behind him a little bit. I'm sure he said
that he would have caught it. That was another big
play I think, all in all. Oh, and then when
I'm on the concourse in the second quarter, some guy
goes walking by me with a shirt that's in the
skyline Chile is disgusting, and I'm like, yeah, what type

(32:35):
of thought process? The last thing I would have thought
of going to that football game was to get a
shirt made that said burt Ends are disgusting. I'm like,
I'm like, okay, whatever, you.

Speaker 12 (32:47):
Know type of thing.

Speaker 10 (32:48):
And then just at the league wide level, a couple things. Obviously,
the dynamic kickoff is going away of the Dodo bird.
I know that Butler did it to us twice, but
the dynamic kickoff is done. It's just not happening anymore.
And we saw mixing with an injury on a hip
drop tackle with no flag last night, So I think

(33:10):
that has gone by the wayside as well. And I
think part of the reason Jamar was so upset was
he thought the guy hip drop tackled him and he
got hurt.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's clearly what he's Jeff, I
appreciate the call. That's clearly what he was upset about. Yeah,
that's what was at the core of the whole issue. Yes,
but when you've got your quarterback coming in and trying
to push you away, you got to stop. It's too
it's too crucial of a point in the game to
get that flag.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
I think it's kind of a peek inside the mind
of Jamar Chase right now. First of all, at that
point in the game, the Chiefs had been all over him,
they'd been physical with him, four had a lot of targets,
so understandably frustrated. This is also a guy who just
took out a fifty million dollar insurance policy in case

(33:57):
of our injury, a guy who felt misled by his
organization and did not get the contract extension he wanted,
and is ten months away roughly from generational wealth. It's
going to change his life forever. And so all of
this combined with the fact that he decided to play
this season and this is supposed to be a point

(34:20):
of emphasis about the hip drop tackle. Now looking at
the replay, it wasn't a hip drop tackle, but he
felt like it was. But it kind of shows you
where Jamar's head is at if he explodes mentally like
that over what he perceived to be something that could
be injuring him. So I don't know if that's something

(34:41):
you know, we've talked about this with Burrow in the past,
of like getting over the wrist or getting over the
knee that you just need to work through. But clearly
that's on the mind of Jamar Chase and I don't
blame him. He's a human being. And it kind of
felt like everything over the last month culminated, and it
was Alex Kemp, the official who was in the crosshair.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, from Jeff and Saint Louis to Jeff and Independence,
what's up?

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Jeff, Hell, guys, long time listen, their first time car
Thanks me, quick question, two quick points and I'll let
you guys go and get to them. I am tired
of seeing the same thing over and over o' clock.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Management.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
We love as an organization to call timeouts unnecessarily in
the first quarter. I mean, it is mind boggling the
amount of timeouts going dating back to the Marrow and
Lewis era, where we burn a time out in the
first quarter.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
It's amazing how many of them, Jeff, have come on
the first dry madness.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
It's amazing. It's it's truly amazing. You would think that
we would hire someone to could know read a clock
and look know what it looks like. But to my point,
coming out of a measurement on I think it was
second or third goal down there in the red zone,
we just had a measurement. Why are we calling a
timeout after we just had a free timeout? Is just

(35:55):
mind boggling to me. And I just want to hear
your guys thoughts on. I appreciate the appreciate don.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Jeff, I appreciate that thing. Yeah, I the I'm right
there with you. Yeah, I don't have anything else. I agree.
I agree, it's awful. It can't happen. And to the point,
it's like first drive and then you have a chance
because you have a measurement to recoup. Why are you

(36:20):
using timeouts in that? I'll never know I don't understand it.
I completely agree with Jeff there, Johnny calling in, what's up, Johnny.

Speaker 13 (36:30):
Guys, I don't know how to say it.

Speaker 9 (36:33):
I'm really positive today.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Okay, okay, I.

Speaker 9 (36:38):
Don't think I remember seeing the performance by my Bengals
a midst a ton of mistakes in the first couple
of weeks of the season in a long time. That
was a good football game.

Speaker 11 (36:50):
It was.

Speaker 9 (36:51):
And so yes we're zero and two. Yes we have
a loss of the Chiefs, but I think they found
the rhythm with the tight end and the mix up.
I think Lou found ways to even with that run
defense not being good, taken all the other players and
finding the way to be a competitive defense, how can
we not probably win the next four I'm very confident

(37:14):
in the team moving forward, and.

Speaker 13 (37:16):
So as much as it sucks to lose to the
Chiefs like that, as much as you could point to
one thing five times that would have won us that game,
I am very positive about my team moving forward.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
And I think that's the unique thing is that you
feel better about where this team is at. You also
understand that they've put themselves in a position where now
you can ill afford a bad loss. They already have
the bad loss. So you mentioned the next couple. At minimum,
you've got to come out of these next two at
two and two. If you're looking at the small steps

(37:48):
two and two over the next two and I think
you feel like you're right back in the thick of things.

Speaker 9 (37:52):
I agree, But it will not shock me if they
want all four. I'm not scared of Baltimore. I really am.
And if they keep consistently. I thought Zach Taylor called
a good game left that's right. I'd like to give
him credit. He called a good game yesterday, and all
you do is take away the five mistake and we

(38:12):
would have won that game by double digits.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Ye Johnny, I appreciate you it on a Monday. Thank you.

Speaker 14 (38:20):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Here we go, all right?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
I think it for me, I think it comes down
to this. I'm not happy that they lost, but I
am happy that the team I saw last week against
New England I did not see again against Kansas City.
So that makes me feel like okay, because when the
first game of the year, you see a team and
you see them underperform as badly as they have or

(38:45):
as badly as they did, and you can't help. But wonder,
oh crap, is this who they are? And then to
go to Kansas City and say, Okay, that's not who
they are. They can still go toe to toe with
the defending champs, Totetoe with the best quarterback in the league,
make him look silly. I'm up with all those issues.
They've just got to clean some stuff up. That makes
me feel better about moving forward. I'm still upset because

(39:08):
they should be two and zero and there's no excuse,
but it at least makes you feel better to say, Okay,
the team we saw against the Patriots is not who
this team is.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I just struggle because of the loss to say okay,
when yes, there were some really good but you also
didn't capitalize on a game where Mahomes had one hundred
and fifty passing yards and through two picks and you
won the turnover battle by two, and you still find
a way to lose that that can't happen because of
just the numbers of what oh and two means and

(39:39):
the pressure that it does put on the next fifteen.
And I know you play a fourth place schedule, and
I know that there's winnable games all over this schedule,
but it's just It's another hole that you have to
dig out of when all of your talk in the
off season was to not have this hole, was to
avoid the slow start by how you handle the off
season and how you handle you know, everything else in

(40:02):
the training camp. And it's just a frustrating point to
be right back here again. Let's break. Let's wrap up
these phone calls when we get back, when we kick
off our two, let's talk about some of those mistakes,
what can be done to fix those. We'll hear from
Joe Burrow later in the show. We'll talk some Bearcats
as well. It's the Monday midday quarterback here on the
home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station,

(40:23):
the service of Skyline Chile. Hey, what's going on in baseball?

Speaker 15 (40:27):
Getting ESPN fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, here we are. That's Monday midday quarterback music right there,
ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station, thanks to Skyline Chili.
We got a couple of minutes here. We're gonna, I know,
we wanted to be more positive an hour one. We're
gonna harp on some of the negative in hour number
two here to kick things off Before we get to
any of that, let's take some calls here. Let's start
with Scott and Dayton.

Speaker 16 (40:56):
Scott, what's up hey, with the revelation that the Bengals
should or could have won the Patriots game?

Speaker 14 (41:08):
Did you did you.

Speaker 16 (41:09):
Find First of all, did you find any fault in
the p I I don't know. I think it was
kind of splitting hairs, but I did looking at the yeah,
and looking at the film.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
What about the holding call? Yeah, I mean you you
can honestly probably call hold on every play. I don't
think the I think the lack of that, I just don't.
I feel like it wasn't I believe was it Zach
Carter Austin that was being held? Whoever the nose tackle was,
I don't think he made it. Yeah, I don't think

(41:40):
he made it apparent to try and get away. That
maybe would have been enough to draw the flag, especially
because they had just called a holding on the fourth
and sixth that got called back. But no, you could
all you could honestly make an argument for a hold
on that play as well.

Speaker 16 (41:55):
His jersey, I mean you could see his jersey was
being pulled.

Speaker 14 (41:59):
That That's why you know, I.

Speaker 16 (42:01):
I'm not anybody who believes that they have it out
for the Bengals or anything. But I think that that
obviously could have negated the the p I and and
gave them another down. But you know, I guess if
you're going to allow the PI and say that that

(42:23):
was okay, then that that holding call should have been called.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Sure. I mean that's fair as well, Scott. I appreciate
the phone call. Thank you, Austin. By letter of the
rule book, that was a past interference. Yes, I think
it was past interference. Yes, I agree as well. Mike
in Dell High.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
What's up, Mike, Hey, guys doing a great job.

Speaker 11 (42:44):
I just want to say I really appreciated how hard
I felt they played yesterday at the defense, especially yeah, man,
I mean I don't like to see injuries. But Pachaco
a running back who runs hard, like he came to
the Bengals defense and they hit him hard, and I
hate to see an injury. But you know, that's the

(43:04):
way they got to play the rest of the year.
I love to see the leadership to seem like from
the back end with Geno Stone, like that one deep
deep pass that the homes made and vom Belt by
the way, but that one deep pass, I think it
was just a bit of a mistake by camp Taylor. Yeah,
and he came back with that amazing interception afterward, and I,

(43:25):
you know, I just really enjoyed seeing him play hard
in the offense. It's looking a lot better than on
The last thing I want to say is that Jamar
and Jamar is a great player, and you guys have
played football and Tony at the highest level. It is dangerous.
It's dangerous. I can understand how no matter how confident
you are, no matter how good of an athlete you are,

(43:46):
when you realize that you may have an injury that
takes away that much money from you and your family
and future generations in your family, I could totally understand.
I understand the bangal side of it too, but I
as a played football too. I just want Jamar to
get paid so that he out there knowing that when

(44:06):
he fights and he battles out there, even if he
gets hurt, he's not gonna lose everything with his family
and people who care about him.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Mike, I appreciate that, man, Thank you for the phone call.
It doesn't sound like he's gonna get paid during the
season based on the report we saw. I do think
that Austin I would have liked to see them convert
early in the game on some of those opportunities in
the red zone with touchdowns instead of field goals. But
for a team that was essentially called soft all week
in the national media, I did think they showed a
little fight.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, I think they showed a little bit of that.
They were much more physical, I think on the defensive
side of the ball and in the defensive line, especially
despite the fact that they were all banged up. I think,
you know, the whole thing about the the national media
calling him out and dan Orlovski basically saying they're all finesse,
no physical. I still think that applies, especially to the
offensive line. I think that unit just has to be

(44:56):
more physical. They have to play with their pad level
lower and be a little nasty year. But I think
overall it was a step in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, that is again, I think that's a good word,
a step in the right direction. We got about a
minute left here, Jake, what's up?

Speaker 5 (45:09):
Man?

Speaker 14 (45:11):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Tony? What's up?

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Awesome subject.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
I just had a few comments or questions.

Speaker 17 (45:18):
I guess do you think there's something about Burrow that
he has to play a few games, or something about
him that wakes him up, because, like you know, the
slow starts every year. It almost it seems like he
has to like get hit and like have to just
being a former quarterback, Like, do you think that he

(45:38):
has to?

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:39):
I think that's why the talk of preseason comes into play.
But he looks so good in the one preseason drive.
There are certain things, especially coming off an injury. I
thought the play yesterday when he essentially dragged two or
three Kansas City players, the way he got up and
celebrated that, I think that was one of those marks
of yeah, I feel pretty good and and now let's

(46:00):
let's go from this. So I do I think there
are the ways that, for whatever reason, he does start slower.
You saw the graphic yesterday of Mahomes Burs Burrow and
how they start the season vastly different. But I thought
there were good things from Joe Burrow yesterday.

Speaker 17 (46:16):
The only the other thing I wanted to mention was
I think Eric All is ready to be tight end one.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
When you guys think about that, I'll hang up a little.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Jake. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah, Austin hit on
that earlier. The tight ends as a whole were impressive.
Eric Hall as a whole has been impressive in his
two games with the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
I think in situations like yesterday, more of Kasiki out
wide and more of Sample and all as your tight.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Ends makes sense even though played really well.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
That's what I'm saying. And because I don't want to
take my Kasiki off the field, I think he needs
to be on the field, but more of him split
out instead of information because he's not the blocker.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
That all is correct. We'll get more phone calls later
on an hour number two. For now, let's get to
our two and let's talk about some of those mistakes
that lead to a one point loss in Kansas City.
Our number one is done of the Monday Midday Quarterback
right here on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station thanks
to Skyline Chile.

Speaker 18 (47:10):
ESPN fifteen thirty online at ESPN fifteen thirty dot com,
on your phone with the iHeartRadio app, and on hundreds
of devices like Alexa, Google Home, Xbox, and Sono's and
iHeartRadio station.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Don't let game Day and Day Midday Quarterback show brought
to you in barkby a door and window company. They
sell the best and service the arrest Cincinnati Tax Resolution
empowered by Tob Sheldon, Sweet Life Heating and there Where
service always comes with a cherry on top. Donaos, the
official pizza of the Bengals and by Thomas Moore University.

(47:46):
Accelerate your career with a business degree from Thomas Moore University.
On the official home of the Bengals, Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
All right, here we go our number two Monday Midday
quarterback thanks to Cinthi shar as well. H A, I
have a quick question for you, because you would know
more on this side than I would. Austin, I have
probably gotten five tweets now, I've had four or five
other people text me about trying to listen today, but
the static is way more than normal. Do we know
why that would be? Have you seen any of that?

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Sorry, Tony, I was on the phone.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Oh h I've gotten many tweets today and I've receiving
a bunch of text messages as well of folks trying
to listen. But the static is crazy today, way more
than normal. Do we know why that would be No,
I don't know. I sent a message to our people.
I've seen a couple of those tweets as well. Just
took a phone call about it. All right, So we're
trying to work on So.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
I don't know exactly what the issue is, but apparently
there's something there. There probably is an issue with the
tower that is being worked upon.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Okay, we got.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Towers, we have, We've reached out to our people.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
We're trying to make it. We appreciate you trying to
listen to the Monday is still yes, listen on the app.
All right. Uh, here's what we gotta do before I
dive into some of the mistakes that were made yesterday.
We do have a positive to talk about today, Austin,
and that is the positive of us getting out of

(49:12):
the studio tomorrow. Now, that doesn't change the fact that
Cincy three sixty is coming to you live from noon
to three. But here's the deal. Tomorrow, you can come
see us from noon to three instead of just listening,
especially if that tower's out still, just make it a
point and come and see us tomorrow. The Pella Windows
and Doors of Greater Cincinnati Exclusive event is taking place

(49:34):
at their beautiful must see Showroom nine to eight sixty nine,
Montgomery Road. It's going to take place tomorrow from eleven
to six, which means we'll fall into that category. Noon
to three, Sincy three sixty is live the newest innovation
featuring the Pellis Steady Sententuri insulation system for new construction
and it's a one day only friends and family pricing day,

(49:55):
So bring in a current quote, bring in your window
and door measurements for an immediate quote on the spot,
which is going to guarantee your friends and family pricing
by scheduling your in home consultation. There's gonna be food, trucks, drinks, music,
us and so much more. So come along the live
show broadcast from the event at the Pellow Windows and

(50:15):
Doors of Greater Cincinnati Exclusive event will be there from
noon to three. Event goes from eleven to six, where
you can Pella now Austin and pay later. We're excited
to be on location there tomorrow, so we have folks
working on the tower. You'll be able to listen back in.
If not, come see us at the Pellow Windows and

(50:35):
Doors Greater Cincinnati event. It's gonna be awesome tomorrow and
urge you urge you to get out there. All right,
let's talk about some of these mistakes, and some of
these way more important than others, but mistakes nonetheless that
will regardless if you feel good moral victory Monday. I'm
just not one to take that. I'm not one, and

(50:56):
I know there's good things to take away from the game,
but I'm not one to say, well, toe to toe
with Kansas City. They just came out on the wrong end. No,
they need to win the game. And the fact of
the matter is when you lay a bubble against New England,
it puts more pressure to win the game. Yesterday, they
didn't do it, and there was a couple things that

(51:16):
held them back, in my opinion, from doing it. One,
I know there's injuries up front. I know the defensive
line is in a very unique spot right now because
they are not healthy. But you cannot go into a
game and allow an opposing team to rush for four
point seven yards per carry. That's what Kansas City was
able to do. So much so the Kansas City Chiefs

(51:37):
with Pat Mahomes, who was one of the greatest to
ever play the game, already the greatest quarterback in today's game.
Yesterday Mahomes chucked at twenty five times and they ran
at thirty two. If that doesn't tell you what you
need to know. They see a weakness in the Bengals
up front and they ran it more than they passed
it in Kansas City yesterday to the tune of four

(51:58):
point seven yards a Caaren. On the other side of
the ball, Chase Brown had four carries for thirty one yards.
That's seven point eight per carry, but he only had
four carries. Only four carries.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
That's That's one of the things that make your eyebrows
go up. Yeah, is the shift from week one to
week two in snap count, in the snap distribution, which
is eighty percent to Zach Moss crazy twenty percent to
Chase Brown.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, that to me was a shocker.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
That's if it's you know, if I'm asking the questions,
is Zach Taylor today? One of my questions would be
what do you need to see from Chase Brown to
get him on the field more?

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
And you know the other thing, Tony is you mentioned
how weird it is the stat line of andre Yosi
vash two catches for seven yards. The Chiefs basically took
away Jamar Chase doubled him, clamped him, did whatever you
want to do. Very rarely was he in a one
on one situation that requires the other players on the
field to win their one on ones. There was not

(53:00):
a lot of separation being created. I think Mike Oseki
probably the most. And you know that's a bit of
a concern for me with andre Yosivash. Yeah he had
a really good training camp and yes he's earned this right,
but that's an issue him not being able to get separation.
I wonder if Chase Brown can alleviate that, which for
me will go back to one. What does the t

(53:23):
Higgins status for this week look like?

Speaker 4 (53:25):
In two?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
In those settings, I know that the tight ends played
a better role, but is there still ways to get
Jamar Chase more than five targets in a game when
he is your single greatest asset on the offensive side
of the ball. I know that they were doubling him, yes,
I also think at times that Chase just resigned and saying, Okay,

(53:46):
I'm getting double teamed. I know I'm not getting the ball,
and maybe wasn't running at full speed or getting in
out of the breaks like he needed to. But nonetheless,
I do think Jamar Chase needs to be more of
a focal point. I don't like the mentality of well,
they're just taking him away, let's do something else. It's
great because the tight ends were able to have fourteen

(54:06):
catches for one hundred and fifty one yards. None of
those were for a touchdown, and it really avoided the
big play opportunities for the Bengals. Now they did find
one in Jermaine Burton, who they said, go in there,
run down the field and make a catch, and Jermaine
Burton did the longest play of the day forty seven
yards for the Cincinnati Bengals. I liked seeing that in

(54:28):
Jermaine Burton. Now the Koseki drop. We timed this up earlier, right,
Cam Taylor Britt ends the third quarter with one of
the best individual plays you'll ever see a corner make.
I'm serious, I've seen a lot. That's one of the
best individual plays you'll ever see a corner make. So
at the end of the third quarter, Cam Taylor Britt

(54:52):
intercepts Mahomes and the Bengals are up twenty two to seventeen,
and they have all the momentum in the world, and
on the ensuing snap, Joe Burrow finds Mike Kasicki over
the middle, drops it right in the basket. Kasicki drops it.
It leads to second and ten. There's another incompletion and
on third and ten Joe Burrow is sacked. Joe Burrow fumbles.

(55:15):
Kansas City scoops and scores. So those fall hand in hand.
That Kasicki drop. After the momentum is on your side,
Burrow fumbles, which leads to the scoop and score, and
now all of a sudden you are losing just a
few seconds in the fourth quarter. The pat miss by
Evan McPherson. That can't happen. They settled for three, and

(55:37):
Zach Taylor said as much at the half. They settled
for three when they could have got six. Twice in
the first half against the Kansas City Chiefs. Those things
add up as well.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I was shocked that the on Kansas City's first drive
they didn't go for it. Yeah, if they chose to
kick the field goal, I mean, you talk about everything
gets kind of be an out of whack for Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
That decision to left me puzzled. Yeah, especially when they
had run it down the Bengals throat so I feel
like the Bengals caught a break right there and then.
But like just in general, when you're inside the five,
you gotta be able to line up and run the
damn ball, yea, And the Bengals cannot do that. It
drives me nuts. Like two possessions inside the five, they

(56:19):
can't score touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah, it's crazy frustrating, and it's right there for the taking.
I wrote down two others won the Jamar Chase penalty.
Anyway you slice it, it can't happen. I just there's
nothing else to say. Jamar Chase went out of his
way to say, hey, we're still the top dog, We're
the team to beat in the AFC. He ran his
mouth that way this week and again he was only

(56:42):
targeted five times. He caught four of them. But in
a crucial point of the game, when the Bengals are
driving right this is right after Kansas City takes the
momentum back. The Bengals are driving on second to eleven,
Joe Burrow finds Jamar Chase, you pick up four, it's
about to be third and seven, and instead a fifteen

(57:04):
yard unsportsmanlike penalty, which say what you want. It was warranted.
You cannot talk to an official like that. And when
he's in the face of Zach Taylor, when he's in
the face of Joe Burrow and they're they're shoving each other,
and you know what Joe's saying, we can't afford this
type of penalty you're driving. It's a third and manageable,

(57:24):
and it goes to third and twenty two. You end
up having to settle for a McPherson field goal, and
all of a sudden, on the final drive of the game,
Kansas City now just needs a field goal instead of
a touchdown. You also don't eat up as much of
the clock as if you move the chains on that
first down. If that's Jamar Chase, you can't make that mistake.
And then finally, I highlighted this last night on Twitter

(57:48):
at Tony Underscore Pike fifteen. You can go watch I
broke down this video. Mentioned earlier, Trey Hendrickson was one
of the most dominant players I've ever seen in a game.
It's hard at the defensive end position when there's ten
others out there on defense to dominate a game in
which he did. He had two sacks, he had two tackles,
for a loss. He caused multiple penalties and it led

(58:09):
to Kansas City having to bench their starting left tackle.
In the second half of the game, he was so
good and on fourth and sixteen, with the game on
the line, coming out of a timeout, lou An Arumo
and the Bengals decided to only rush three. Now, there's
multiple things about this that I have a problem with.

(58:31):
One and I believe this was Joe Goodberry that tweeted
this out Austin that final fourth and sixteen. Mike Kilton
was not on the field, Jordan Battle was not on
the field. Sam Hubbard was not on the field. Dejon
Anthony came in as the sixth defensive back. Zach Carter
lined up over the center. I just I don't know

(58:54):
one the personnel, and two, if you watch my video breakdown,
a three man rush allowed Kansas City to send their
guard tackle and samaj p Ryan at Trey Hendrickson three
on one on the final play of the game. Essentially,
if you're the Bengals three on one, so you would

(59:15):
negate the greatness of Trey Hendrickson. And if you watch
the live copy right before the play, Tony Romo is
drawling on the screen that Mahomes wants to drop, push up,
and escape to the left, and in exactly what he did.
I would have rushed four or five and just given

(59:35):
Trey Hendrickson a one on one and say go get
to the quarterback before anyone can get open sixteen yards
down the field. Instead, he scrambles, the pass interference is called,
and I think you see the trust in Harrison butker
that in a fifty one yard field goal. Kansas City
was like, now we don't need to get any closer.
We're good at fifty one. But in my opinion, it

(59:57):
is a disservice with how good the defense played to
try and rush three on a fourth and sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
You could probably count on one hand how many times
we've sat here on a Monday and second guest lou
Ana Rumo, Yeah, it just doesn't happen, and especially against
Patrick Mahomes. And you know, in the moment, I'm thinking, Okay,
I trust lou to make the right play call. But
thinking about it from that way, and you know, going
back and looking at just how dominant Trey Hendrickson was,

(01:00:26):
it's hard to argue with your point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
The play right before it he got held. Yeah, so
you know that that tackle already knows he can't block him.
And now with a four or five man rush, you
let Trey Hendrickson pin his ears back. Yes, give me that.
Don't allow three players to hit Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Then I think the other part that's puzzling about it
is no Mike Hilton, no Jordan Battle, no Sam Hubbard.
Even if you're going to go with three.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, you don't have you three.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
You don't have your other best pass rusher on the field.
Baffled or even Sheldon Rankins. I know Rankins dealing with
the hamstring injury at the time. And then Dejon Anthony
made this team based on his ability to cover in
primarily in this package. That's why he made the team.
He took two snaps in week one though, and exactly
so that makes no sense to me. Like why in

(01:01:14):
that moment are you going away from Mike Hilton? Why
are you going away from Jordan Battle? These are all
questions I would have for lu Ana Rumo of like, Okay,
we've barely seen Jordan Battle through two weeks. Why what
was the thought process behind three? And the other thing
is you know you mentioned guard tackle on Henderson plus

(01:01:34):
p Ryan, So that's three on one and then it's
three on two on the other side.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yep. Crazy, And right before the time I was called
Logan Wilson was walked into the A gap, so I'm like, okay,
maybe they are bringing pressure time out and then it's
just eight guys. It looked like it honestly felt like
the Bengals were up seven with twelve seconds left. That's
what the defense looked like. Yeah, very unfortunate, very frustrating,

(01:01:58):
a lot to build on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
And I think, you know, a lot of people are
mad about the call. I think it was it was
the right call. I think it was defensive pass interfewers. Truthfully,
I feel that way. But I think it's also maddening
to watch the play. I don't know that he would
have caught the ball. It felt like, who is it,
Rashid Rice? Yep, it felt like he was kind of
caught flat footed, that the ball kind of snuck up
on him, and it would have been tough for him to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Make that catch. Just a very unfortunate timing of all
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
When you asked, you asked the question is if Mike
Hilton's out there, does right he make that play? Jordan
battles out there, If Jordan battles out there, does he
make that play? And are those guys better suited to
know that the situation and the angle and what it's
going to look like than Dejon Anthony is. I would
guess yesday all things to wonder leading into a two

(01:02:47):
and zho and two start. This is the Monday mid
day quarterback. Thanks to all of our sponsors. Thank you
to Cincy Shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Here now number two when we get back your talkbacks
on the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 19 (01:02:57):
Station ESPN teen thirty, Cincinnati, available everywhere with the iHeartRadio
app down number one for podcasting ESPN fifteen thirty and
iHeartRadio Station.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
The trusted leader in quality home services right here in
Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky since nineteen ten is Apollow Home.
You're all in one solution for HVAC, electrical plumbing services
along with those handyman services as well. They've got a
team of expley trained professionals who are going to provide
you an unrivaled five star customer experience with customized solutions
and transparent pricing with affordable financing options available. The best part,

(01:03:32):
they're available to use seven days a week. If you
don't want to take their word for take mine. Because
my own mother has been at Apollow Home for twenty
eight years. She is their longest tenured employee. Choose Local,
Choose Apollow Home. Visit them today at apollow home dot com.

Speaker 18 (01:03:46):
D is back on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 20 (01:03:52):
Is that time for talkbacks?

Speaker 21 (01:03:53):
Press the microphone, hand record your message for usting and tone,
Please keep it clean and don't be mean.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
And a sprinkle sprinkled drip drip. It's that time for talkbacks.

Speaker 20 (01:04:08):
It's our favorite.

Speaker 21 (01:04:09):
Part of Sancy three sixties Austin.

Speaker 22 (01:04:13):
Buddy play that talkback on your screen, and please try
not too sad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Here's the thing here on the Monday midday Quarterback and
everywhere every day Austin. What other show out there gives you,
the listener, the power to vent or say whatever you
need to about yesterday's game in a setting like this
right here on the Monday midday quarterback Thanks to our
friends at Cincy Church. That's what talkbacks are for. It's
your platform to get anything you need off your chest today.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Oh yes, venting after a loss It's funny though, I'm
about trying to buy some time here for this thing
to load. It's funny though, how conflicted everyone seems to
be about. Yeah, they played better. Yeah, also the two
they're only two. Yep, I am I'm conflicted.

Speaker 23 (01:05:00):
Oh I fell in loved at boom, but yesterday I
got thick in all the contextive. Oh wait a minute,
alvacabal just god again. But who is the most dangerous
team in the NFL? It is not the two and
oh Saints. It is the two and oh Chargers, and
they have rendered justin Herbert just a hand off of

(01:05:21):
I wouldn't be surprised if har Ball tried to put
five human beings in the backfield just to see if
he can get away with it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
It is crazy, all of a sudden, They're just they're
They're running the rock.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
JK. Dobbins.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
They are running the rock with the Los Angeles Chargers.

Speaker 24 (01:05:35):
Man so Hendrickson was choke out pretty much all game.
There wasn't many calls on it. Not surprised. You can't
rush three guys on my homes on that fourth and
sixteen and expect the covers to not break down. Burrow
take a page from Andy Dalton's playbook and throw the
ball away sometimes live for the next down.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Wow, Jamar grow the f up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Can't tell her Brett.

Speaker 24 (01:05:54):
Yeah, he slowed down on she writes touchdown, but he
made up for that with a huge pick.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yeah, bab we couldn't take advantage of it.

Speaker 24 (01:06:01):
Our past defense actually looked pretty solid though, not gonna
lie Austin.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
That's the first time I can remember in Cincy three
to sixty history where Joe Burrow was told to take
a page out of Andy Dalton's place.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
So the first time I can remember in any sports
radio history to take a page out Andy Dalton's book.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 25 (01:06:19):
Good morning guys, Genie he I'll want to first say
I'm so proud of the Bengals. They played such a
great game. They were ready to play. Our defense was amazing. Yes,
we had made mistakes, but they were physical mistakes. I
feel bad for the for the rookie who got the
flag at the end. But Jamar Chase, I am.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
So over him.

Speaker 25 (01:06:41):
Yes, he is a very immature, self centered guy. And
I'm gonna have to double dip because I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Oh man.

Speaker 25 (01:06:50):
So I'm really looking forward to your evaluation of the game,
Tony and audience, and then your opinion of Jamar Chase
how we handled it. I think he let all his
frustrations out of his contract out on that field on
that one play, our team played so well, and because
of his selfishness, we didn't have a chance to burn
more time on that clock and maybe even score a touchdown.

(01:07:14):
I am so upset with him, and I'm wondering how
the rest of the players feel about him right now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yeah, I'd be interested to know what the feel in
the locker room around that was after the game. I
think it was such a crucial, crucial part in the
game that was being played there. And yeah, I'm with you.
I know that there are our frustrations out there. And
that's why I didn't know what to think coming into today, Austin,
because I feel like the talkbacks are going to be
a lot about the last two started upset at the

(01:07:40):
loss and why it was, but also happy with how
they played. It's just it was such a weird game
how everything played out. When it comes to Jamar, I
think that in the moment it was probably mostly forgotten
about because McPherson made the kick to put them up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
MM hm after the game, maybe it was thought about again,
But the fact that even when the penalty happened, they
still were able to get the three points and take
the lead. I wonder if it was just kind of
left there after that.

Speaker 26 (01:08:12):
Triple w oen two dot com sucks, missed opportunities and mistakes.
Should the Bengals on the opening drive yesterday instead of
taking the field goal, okay, go for it on fourth down,
to punch it into the end zone, to be aggressive

(01:08:34):
and set a different tone to begin yesterday's game.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
I say, I certainly can understand if people think that
they should have In Kansas City.

Speaker 9 (01:08:45):
To make the year twenty twenty, the NFL expanded their
playoffs to include.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
We already covered.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Yeah, thank you for the.

Speaker 27 (01:08:53):
Taylor britt More like Cam Taylor Swift because that interception
was e enchanted Jovin banging on Jamar But Daddy, I
love him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
He is an anti hero.

Speaker 27 (01:09:07):
It's just been a cruel summer. You need to calm.

Speaker 28 (01:09:11):
Down when you hold on.

Speaker 27 (01:09:16):
I'm leaving a talkback for the Austin Elmore and Tony
Pike Show.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
You know, more and more people have been calling it
the Austin Elmore and Tony Pike show man. I kind
of like that. Wow starts with me, Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
DJ Union guys.

Speaker 29 (01:09:29):
Thoughts from yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Yeah look good.

Speaker 29 (01:09:32):
Probably need to win the division now to make the playoffs.
Trey Hendrickson's the beast. He needs more help, help pressure
the quarterback tight end room. Definitely an upgrade, bro look
more comfortable. On a negative side, I wouldn't pay a
nickel more for this version of Chase. Not a team
player Youino Stone seems to be the invisible man house
grading out. Still can't run the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
A lot there. I think Gino graded out pretty well
week one. Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
I think has been fine. He's probably not the issue.

Speaker 30 (01:10:03):
Okay, it's God, Hey God, hey.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
Joe.

Speaker 30 (01:10:07):
It does sting. It stings a lot? Are you kidding me?
Fourth and sixteen and past interference? Come on, guys, what
are you thinking? That game was ours and you had
to screw it up?

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I'll tell you what. I was trying to get a
hold of God on that last series.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Yeah, please, just one.

Speaker 28 (01:10:29):
Bengals look like they should look if they came out
like this against the Patriots who have killed him. A
lot of middle errors there with Jamar arguing with the
ref and you know we have no interior d line,
so I honestly don't even think Washington next week's a gimme.
Brian Robinson looks really good this year running the ball.
Jayden Daniels is crazy running the ball. But I think
if the Bengals play like this for the rest of

(01:10:49):
the year and clean up those middle errors, we should
be fine. Which we all knew perennial zero and two
starting team and they always.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Good, they should be fine. But the start gives you
the inability to have another bad loss like they did
in Week one. I mean, this is Washington was thirty
seven to twenty against Tampa. They beat the Giants, and
as the caller just said, they run they run the rock.
Brian Robinson can run it, Jayden Daniels can run it,

(01:11:18):
and they still have Austin Eckler on this roster as well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Yeah, there's no gimmes in the NFL ever, no though. Yeah,
I mean it's just if you watch the NFL at all,
you know it just doesn't happen. But I will say this.
I know people probably don't want to hear this, but
in the NFL, every year you win a game that
you're not supposed to win and every year you lose
a game you're not supposed to lose. The Bengals clearly
were not supposed to lose either of those two games, correct,

(01:11:44):
But more than anything the Patriots game, I can understand
losing the Chiefs that arrowhead week two. Okay, think back
to the San Francisco game last year. Bengals weren't supposed
to win that game, winning and clean their clock like
those games Happenrobably shouldn't have won the Rams game, and
they won that. So it's gonna even itself out over

(01:12:04):
the The Bengals are too good of a team for
this to not even itself out over the course of
the season.

Speaker 31 (01:12:10):
Hey, guys, hope y'all are doing great and I'm doing well.
I know y'all are gonna be getting a lot of
calls and stuff today about the way reactions went and
calls and stuff like that, but I want to focus
on the positives. Okay, the defense played amazing yesterday. I mean,
the Chiefs used a trick play to score a touchdown
with a tackle they had to resort to stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
We are gonna be okay, who day. Yeah, they had
a tackle eligible touchdown and they had a scoop and
score for four.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
No funny song this morning boys.

Speaker 6 (01:12:45):
That Bengals game. Y.

Speaker 32 (01:12:48):
The thing I'm thinking about is walking around last night
trying to calm down perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
How fun is it to play in these.

Speaker 32 (01:12:56):
Games like this? We come up, you know, on the
right side a lot of the time. Again the Chiefs,
we didn't yesterday, Blame the calls whatever. The most frustrating
part is you win yesterday, you set yourself up to thrive,
you lose.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
We're back to surviving. Yeah, good point from thrive to survive.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
I did think about that too. It was like, gosh,
these games are so freaking fun.

Speaker 33 (01:13:17):
Yeah, hey, guys, Ken from the lect year, not Ken
from the Head because the weather pushed us back leaving
Thursday now because of the weather and Hilton Head.

Speaker 34 (01:13:31):
A couple of gut wrench and one point losses for
both of my teams man this weekend to the UK game,
and I was about to regret it, but then they
finally lost anyway, and then the Bengals, well, what can
you say? At least they're looking a little.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Better, all right, Ken, There you go, thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:13:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Just a quick update for people who keep calling and
tweeting at us. We understand that there are tower issues, yes,
and that we are coming off as staticky or nothing
at all when you listen over the air. We are
still live on the app, we are still live online.
I will post the podcast when the show is over.
We know that there are tower issues. We are working
on it. One thing we're not and I am am

(01:14:12):
very pleased to know that so many of you still
listen over the air.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah, one thing, we're not as staticky. No.

Speaker 35 (01:14:19):
I'm seeing a lot of people saying that the Bengals
outplayed the Chiefs, but the Chiefs are the better team.
But I think the Chiefs actually outplayed the Bengals because
the Bengals made more mistakes and lost the game. But
strangely enough, I think the Bengals are the better team.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
I think the Chiefs outplayed the Bengals, but I think
the Bengals made worse mistakes and bigger moments. The Chiefs
made more mistakes, turn the ball over more, just weren't
as good. I mean, obviously the Bengals had the penalty,
the fumble, you know, so on, but I think physically
it wasn't even close. I thought Kansas City dominated physically.

Speaker 36 (01:15:02):
Hi, guys, who man, it was hard to breathe after
that game last night and during it a lot of
the negatives were just football plays. There was a couple
of plays there that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:15:15):
Man, it's hard to take.

Speaker 36 (01:15:17):
But anyway, help to get that all straightened out.

Speaker 9 (01:15:19):
And you know there was.

Speaker 36 (01:15:21):
More positives came out of that game yesterday. So let's
go Bengals. Roll on Monday night football, beat them Commanders
who they have a good week?

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Okay? Repon in Natty? What up? Tony? What's rod is? Ronnie?

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Ron Yo?

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Frustrated right now?

Speaker 37 (01:15:38):
Can't catch struct the work, can't drink out of my
victory cup and watching Chase show us immaturity is just embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
And so many drop balls. Man, that's a problem right now.

Speaker 37 (01:15:50):
Can't stop the run is a major major concern right
now for me far as the Bearcats could win.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
But Coach Sat, you're still on the hook.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Bro we watching h You said he can't catch strut
to work, but the Bearcats won.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
That's true.

Speaker 12 (01:16:06):
Yes, this is Mark from Florence. He Mark, I was
right on my prediction yesterday. I was just off on
the score. I knew it would come down to a
Buckner field goal, and I knew that was gonna be
a dumb decision, not a coaching staff late in the game,
but I didn't expect it to come from lou Ana Rouma. Yeah,
blessing three guys and putting a rookie on the field

(01:16:29):
and then letting Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Well did he did he run it back?

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
This might be a sign of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
The tower goes down, so Mark has to go to
the app Mark believable, Marks shout after the find a way.

Speaker 23 (01:16:45):
To win that game.

Speaker 38 (01:16:46):
You cannot lose that game. With as bad as the
Chiefs were. The Chiefs were at about a C plus
level version of himself. Patrick Mahomes was terrible. He was
He had a QBR of thirty. I mean, you gotta
win that game. Also, Zack Moss is not in every
down back. You cannot get to a super bow with
that running game and with him as your running back,
you just can't. And you also can't start zero to
two every year and think everything's.

Speaker 16 (01:17:07):
Gonna be all right, like, oh yeah, that's our strategy.

Speaker 38 (01:17:09):
We started oh and two, then we get on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
No one of these sons is gonna bite you. Maybe
it'll be there, okay, but bit them last year. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
And also that's not their freaking strategy. They don't plan
on losing the first two games.

Speaker 30 (01:17:21):
And I'm sorry to make another one.

Speaker 38 (01:17:22):
I'm very disappointed at the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Looked at the running back room and was like.

Speaker 16 (01:17:26):
Oh, we're good.

Speaker 38 (01:17:28):
There's there's no scenario where a team in the Super
Bowl has Zack Moss as they're starting running back like
that is not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
I guess my concern is more that they have those
two running backs and the thought is, yes, Zach Moss
is head and shoulders above better.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
My problem is the offensive line can't run block to
save their life.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Ballot.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
They're not giving those guys a chance. No, I mean
especially down in the red zone. Look at them inside
the ten yesterday. That is embarrassing for Frank Pollock unit.
I don't put that on Zach Moss.

Speaker 22 (01:18:00):
From aj Greens push off and Joe Burrow's very first
game in the NFL, to Logan Wilson's hold in the
Super Bowl, to Joseph os size quote unquote late hit
in the AFC Championship, to what happened yesterday. I am
so sick of seeing Bengals lose these big games because
a ref calls a questionable call at the end of

(01:18:22):
these games. Officiating needs to be better. Oh, it's just
so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
It does need to be better, But I think the
right call was made.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Yeah. Of all those, yeah, you know, those are all
bad calls. The one with the yesterday.

Speaker 22 (01:18:38):
Was not sorry to double dip, but I just wanted
to get this one in. Trey Henderson running after Mahomes
like full steam ahead and Mahomes yell and running out
of bounds yelling guy leap. That was hilarious. Trey Henderson
looked like dog happy Gilmore's Boss, you know, running after
shooting McGavin at the end of that movie. Dude is
legitimately terrified.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Well said, Well said, I wish I just can only
imagine what Trey is saying to in those moments.

Speaker 30 (01:19:09):
Bearcats dub Bengals.

Speaker 21 (01:19:12):
Very impressed with how the offense came out, Very impressed
with how the defense played. They looked a lot more physical,
So I'm intrigued with what I saw. The world isn't over.
We're going too, and it's not on the ress. The
Bengals had every opportunity. Let's stop talking about the rest
in that game. Okay, Bengals are gonna be all right
when t Higgins comes back and mar Chase is gonna

(01:19:35):
get his shots.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
They got two get right games coming up. They better
get right homecoming games.

Speaker 16 (01:19:42):
Watching first take, and I'm talking.

Speaker 32 (01:19:44):
About how the Chiefs were lucky to beat us, that
we outplayed them on every front and we should have won.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Yeah, that's painful. That's the frustrating. Size always find ways
to win those games that they shouldn't.

Speaker 8 (01:19:58):
Hello, this is former President Ronald and who else. I
was encouraged by a lot of what I saw during
the Bengal game yesterday. However, I'm even more discouraged and
alarmed by Jamar Chase going all Vontez perfect and pac
Man Jones. Towards the end of that game. He shortened
that drive, which would have been the Coffin Nail drive

(01:20:20):
had they extended it for one more first down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Man.

Speaker 39 (01:20:28):
The last play of the Bengals game was basically a
hail mary. Usually the refs don't call pass interference, but
they called pass interference, yet they did not call holding
on Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
There he and just different steen of hail mary is Yeah,
there's number one in the middle of the field. Number
two is about forty or fifty seconds left. Thirty forty
seconds left. Yeah, and it was a one on one
instead of a group.

Speaker 40 (01:20:57):
Hey, guys, what I want to know, how does this
team get game hardened on day one? Do they play
all their starters? Do they play tough practices? But they're
not coming in game hardened? Yeah, until the third game
at least.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
We had the guy from the Chiefs.

Speaker 40 (01:21:18):
The first three games being game hardened and getting injuries
out of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Awesome. We had the guy from the Chiefs this week
that literally talked about their approach to the preseason versus
the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Yeah, and I think also, you know, there's a lot
of injuries around the NFL right now. The Bengals are
relatively healthy. We've seen that work for them down the
stretch in the past, so I do think that's something
to consider. And by the way, it looks like Pacheco's
going to be out for a while. Yeah, broken fibula.
So there's pros and there's cons to it. It's especially
a con when the Bengals changed all those things about

(01:21:54):
their offseason and we're in shape and in position to
win both of their first two games and couldn't do
it because of mental errors or mistakes or whatever it
might have been. Not because I don't I don't think
they lost those two games because they weren't game ready.

Speaker 41 (01:22:07):
Right Tony and Austin And I say about mister Case
is that maybe I consider retiring. Wow, he got a
policy for an injury. He's suddenly concerned about the way
he was tackling a game. He's probably been tackled that
way numerous times over his career in college. Jampro, if
he's scared to play the game, he's more concerned about money.

(01:22:28):
Maybe it's time for him to maybe go into acting.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
I'd like to keep him on the team for now.

Speaker 14 (01:22:37):
As Commissioners Squeak here who woke up this morning, and
all I.

Speaker 42 (01:22:41):
Keep thinking about is that the boys just don't like
having fun out there. I feel like the team really
misses Joe Mixon, his energy, his vibes, his positivity.

Speaker 17 (01:22:53):
Just feels like.

Speaker 28 (01:22:54):
The boys are having fun out there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I loved Get your Thaws, you know, for Commissioner Squeaks
first talk back. I believe that was pretty good. There
is there is something to be said, though, Boyd mixing
gone mixing was a vibe guy they do, they don't
look as up beat on the side now. I would
say the same for the commissioner who, instead of getting
ready for the season, decided to take some road trip

(01:23:22):
where he left the country. He's drinking wine, he's eating cheeses,
he's he was checked out while the season was starting.
And you wonder how that reverberates through the rest of
the city as a fan base. When one of the
biggest Bengal fans and Bearcat fans I know, decides to
start football season out of the country.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Yeah, nobody cares about any of that. I think that's
an astute observation though that there is I think a
lot of pressure on this team and you know, he's
all the explosion from Chase. I think there's some frustration
going on. I hope that they start having fun, and
the first way to do that is to start winning games.
When the games we're done, there was a ton that

(01:24:01):
we didn't get to. Yeah, I apologize.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Keep that energy though. If we didn't get to it today,
leave one tomorrow, Well I might.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Start, you know, changing the way we do it, where
we only do the ones that have been left after
our show has started.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
No, some people can't do it. Some people work, okay,
some people have to get up early and work during
the day. Unbelievable. I think we're penalizing the early risers.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Now we can just give them a time to know
when to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
You can go to the bathroom like Mike at.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
He's getting in trouble for that. We got plenty more
to get to. Uh still, we'll here's some Joe Burrow
audio and we do have to talk some Bearcats as
well as the victory belt. Yep, still hear it ringing
down there in Clifton. This is the Monday Midday Quarterback
on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station, thanks to our
friends at CINTI Shirts.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Hey, it's my lagger this football season.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Get at the official home of the Bengals. If this
is football in Thennettie on the official home of the Bengals,
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
All right, we're back on the Monday Midday Quarterback thanks
to Cincy Shirts, and we have breaking news, Tony.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Given the nature of this news, do you want to
break it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
I haven't heard the news yet.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Oh well, the Carolina Panthers are making a change. Oh no,
Andy Dalton is now the starting quarterback of the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 26 (01:25:35):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Coach Dave Canalis has repeatedly said that Bryce Young is
our quarterback, but with the season quickly slipping away, Canalis
has decided to make a change. This According to Tom
Pellisero of NFL Network, the Panthers are benching Bryce Young
and starting veteran quarterback Andy Dalton.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
I mean, I don't think it's the wrong move, but
how in the world can you ever go back to
Bryce Young after this? He has been terrible? And I
thought with Canal it's like, okay, you know, maybe he
can revive Bryce Young, that that might not be revival
revivable At this moment, I saw a sunt. I don't

(01:26:18):
have it in front of me, but the stats from
Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield in Carolina, Yeah, and then
what they've done since they've left Carolina is incredible. Yeah,
And you can't help but wonder if maybe I had
been drafted somewhere else, what would my career have looked like?

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Absolutely? Maybe bring Cam Newton back. I don't know, but yeah,
not been good. And do you remember that sign in
front of that restaurant that David Tepper got big mad about.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Yes, well they're back.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
They've they got a new sign out front, oh Man,
and it says uh, Sam Darnold two and O, Baker
Mayfield two and o, and then it says Matt Ruhle
three and oh oh Man, Bryce Young oh and two.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Yep, did they get it wrong? Probably now I do. Probably.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
I think kind of like the Drake may situation. The
roster around him stinks. Yes, give him some time, you know,
and put him in there last year. Yeah, which makes
it harder. Feed Andy Dalton to the Wolves and see
what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
But great Dalton revenge game. In two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Andy Dalton is two to zero against the Bengals since
he left the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Team completely changes that field.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
A win with the Dallas Cowboys, a win with the
Chicago Bears Andrew Gregory Dalton hosts the Bengals in two weeks.
Guess who's back back, back back again. The Red Rifles back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Andy is back. Congratulations Andy Dalton continuing his career still
with the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Twenty four hours ago, Dave Kanalis said, Bryce is our quarterback. Yep,
that organization so well run dumpster fire. Here's the flat
out nature of everything. We have talked from start to
finish today about the positives, about the negatives. They're a
seven and a half point favorite coming into Monday Night football.
Here is the statistics. They're zero and two. Mentioned earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Since the playoffs went to fourteen teams, thirty two teams
have started h to two. Two have made the playoffs,
last year's version of the Houston Texans and the twenty
twenty two version of the Cincinnati Bengals. Out of those
teams that have started oh to two in the history
of football, only three have ever won the Super Bowl.

(01:28:31):
So that is now what the Bengals are up against
because they have put themselves in this situation. Let's break,
let's come back, We'll finish this hour. We're gonna get
to a little Bearcats in college football, and then back
to some Joe Burrow audio as well. All still ahead
Since he three to sixty The Monday Midday Quarterback Edition
a service of SINCEI shirts.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
You've been listening to football in the NATTI on the
official home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. Hey,
it's mount Monday Midday Quarterback show up to you in
porkby a door and window company. They sell the best
and service the rest. Cincinnati Tax Resolution powered by Tove Sheldon,
Sweet Life Heating and there Where service always comes with

(01:29:11):
a cherry on top. Donaos, the official pizza of the
Bengals and by Thomas Moore University. Accelerate your career with
a business degree from Thomas Moore University. On the official
Home of the Bengals, Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Yeah, the Monday midday Quarterback third Hour, starting right now
here on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station. Happy to have you along thanks to
our friends at Penn Station as well. We've literally been
all water Wall Bengals and we will be not only
going forward, but for the next three hours as well,

(01:29:48):
because from three to six, if you're in the area
or can make it to the area, I'll be on
with Moager for the Tony and Mo Football Show from
Twin Peaks in Florence. Y'all stop on down to Twin
Peaks say hello, looking forward to that with Mo today.
But in all the excitement and the analysis of everything
we've had as it relates to the Bengals. We have

(01:30:09):
not spent much time on the Cincinnati Bearcats. That's what
I want to do in just a few minutes. Before
we do that, we do have a phone call. Let's
take Mike's call. What's up, Mike?

Speaker 14 (01:30:20):
Okay, so it's a tough day yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Not a good one, Mike. Not a good one.

Speaker 14 (01:30:27):
No, not for my team either. I don't not thin
get anybody left to play now for Rams ors beat
to help. I don't know if Bengals can. I almost cried,
and the end of that Bengals was disappointed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
I don't know if I've seen more from I'm a
Rams standpoint, where there's so much hype leading into the
season and after two weeks they are decimated by injuries.
At this point, I was.

Speaker 14 (01:30:51):
Trying to recall that much decination on one team this
early and which probably happened, But I don't recall the
top of my head. What were the two well, I
want to see how the phrases like bry Austin, how
you doing tell? What were the two biggest Okay, what
were the most two most impressive wins in the NFL

(01:31:13):
over the weekend? And what were the two biggest and
most surprising upsets.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
I think what the Saints did to the Cowboys was
surprising to me on many levels. And I think what
the Vikings did to the forty nine Ers was also
extremely surprising. The Raiders are close because of what they
did to Baltimore, but I don't think Baltimore is playing
well right now. From from the other side, I know
we've been We've talked about him a lot. Tampa going

(01:31:40):
into Detroit, who's one of the Super Bowl favorites, and
beating the Detroit Lions and doing so with only twenty
points and holding that Lions offense down, I thought was
extremely impressive, and I know a lot was made about him.
But the Houston Texans just finding ways to take care
of business. They won kind of ugly life last night,

(01:32:00):
but so much hype has made around that team, and
I think that the Texans are very impressive so far.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
I saw a stat that in forty two pass attempts
last night, Caleb Williams was pressured thirty six times by
the Texans defense. Thirty six out of forty two is insane.
I was very impressed by the Texans. I think the
Cardinals in Saints obviously, just the way that they were
able to dominate was very impressive. And also the Green
Bay Packers defense looked really good against the Colts, and

(01:32:29):
Anthony Richardson stinks that's disappointing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
With Malik Willis starting.

Speaker 14 (01:32:34):
I'm telling you, I don't remember a weekend quite that
surprise oriented in a while. Again, maybe it's happened. I
will recall we'll put baseball college football. Do you think
Travis Hunter is like Ron woods and Woodson esque? Do
you think he's that type of talent as Ron Woodson?

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
I think he can be. I would use him more
as a receiver based on what I've seen, but he
is certainly a unicorn and that that you just don't
see that type of play in college football anymore.

Speaker 14 (01:33:04):
You think he'll go high in the draft?

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
I do, and I think there's upside to both positions.
But I do think he's He's a better receiver right
now than a defender. I think he can impact the
game more on offense than defense.

Speaker 14 (01:33:16):
Okay, Tom, and uh one more quick? Well, I'm sorry
I'm jumping, but who who are the two? Okay? Who
are the who? Who's the long way? Just who you're
winner in the National League, MVP in the American League.
I'm thinking the American League. I know Judge is the
overriding favorite, but I don't see how you neglect Bobby Wit.

Speaker 23 (01:33:36):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Yeah, I would go right now, Otani in the National League,
and I know Judge is going to get the love.
Judge has been on a little bit of a skid
as of Lady broke out a little bit over the weekend.
Bobby Witt Junior is hitting three thirty one. He has
the most hits in baseball at one hundred and ninety eight.
I could, I could buy that. I could go win

(01:33:58):
in the AL and Otani in the NL.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Austin, I'll go Judge, you know Tani?

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Okay, Okay, Mike, I going man, Thank you all, Mike.
Bearcats won over the weekend, Austin. Did you get to
watch any of the Battle for the Victory Bell I did. Actually,
I was pretty good chunk. I listened to a good

(01:34:25):
junk of it. I will say this for this rivalry,
by many people saying it was dead, did not feel
dead on Saturday. And maybe it's this. Maybe when one
team wins it for sixteen years in a row, it
just gets stale, but Miami winning it last year, winning
it Nippert, how they handled it after the game. I

(01:34:46):
think a lot of it can be coach speak. I
do think the Bearcats circled this game early in the offseason.
Good they should and they should. And the Miami crowd
I give them credit because not only was it a
packed house, but it was a It was an unruly crowd.
I mean some of the chants the student section, U
se trap. It felt like a rivalry that meant something.

(01:35:09):
Them getting the bell and ringing the bell, it felt
like it meant something. It was refreshing. Brendan Soresby played well.
Xavier Henderson had ten catches Austin. When's the last time
you've seen a tight end have a weirder game than
Joe Royer no kidding. Catches a touchdown early, fighting for
a touchdown right before the half, fumbles it into the

(01:35:29):
end zone, it's a touchback, and then he has an
eighty yard touchback called or touchdown called back late in
the game because Aligneman was down the field. Joe Royer
is dominant. I thought the defense played better against the run.
I still have questions against the pass and the special teams.
Which has prohibited this team from doing a lot of things.
Carry combs and that special teams unit was phenomenal on Saturday.

(01:35:51):
Now you get the Big twelve opener. They're five and
a half point favorites against Houston coming into town. But
it has me thinking, Austin, are they better than what
we gave them credit for? Can you now look after
three games and say they're kind of just one fourth
quarter away from being a really good team? Take away
the fourth quarter. For almost three quarters, they dominated in

(01:36:14):
a lot of phases against Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh hung around. The
fourth quarter was a disaster, but they rebound. They go
get a win against Miami, who is an eleven win
team from last year, that brings back their quarterback and
a lot of good players, and they have a chance
to win a game against Houston. I as devastating as

(01:36:34):
the fourth quarter was against pitt I thought they bounced
back really well on Saturday, and I'm happy that Scott
Saderfield and the Bearcats were able to get that win. I
really am. Outside of that, I hate to see the
rivalry going away. If that's how the rivalry is going
to be handled, I wish we would see more of
it in the future, but that right now, that's the

(01:36:55):
last time you go up to Miami. That's the last
time that you play that on someone's home because the
final installment is going to be a game at pay
Corpse Stadium. So if that was how it ended, that
was a very fitting way for it to end like that.
And I thought a sentiment was made and it didn't

(01:37:17):
get covered a ton Austin. If you remember September of
twenty thirteen, Ben Flick is an offensive lineman for UC.
He wasn't on the travel team, but a lot of
those non travel guys would would drive up to the game,
and ben Flick tragically lost his life on the way

(01:37:38):
back home after that game. Since then, his dad, Rick
has been kind of this glue guy for U. See,
He's been around the program, he travels with the team,
he does all the stuff that you don't get to see.
And again twenty thirteen, lost his son on the way
home from that game. Scott Sanderfield brought Rick up after
the game, he gave him a game ball, and I

(01:38:00):
just thought was a really cool sentiment because of what
was such a tragedy eleven years ago. To honor Rick
and to mention Ben I thought was a good move
by Scott Claderfield and what was a very and still
is a very hard time for the Flick family. So
congratulations to them or congratulations to Rick. I thought that
was awesome to get the game ball after enduring such

(01:38:21):
a tragedy on a previous trip to Miami of Ohio.
The win for UC means that they're two and one,
and if you just look across right now, and I
know we're not wanting to do deep dives into conferences yet,
but we are in conference play now, and I look
across the Big Twelve, listen to some of these stature

(01:38:44):
of Austin, Kansas is one and two. They've lost back
to back weeks. West Virginia lost to Pitt as well.
I think Pitt scored twice in the last four minutes
to win that game against West Virginia. Arizona State is
not a good football team. Texas Tech has shown flaws.
Utah's good, but they lose cam Rising. I don't know
how good they are. And they get Oklahoma State, who
I think is the best team right now in the

(01:39:04):
Big Twelve. TCU EH, Baylor, Colorado has shown some flaws.
I think Kansas State is impressed at times BYU is
nothing to write home about. What I'm getting at is
I don't think the Big Twelve is all that good
as a football conference. I still think seven wins is
on the table. I certainly think a bowl game is
on the table and an opportunity on Saturday. How about this,

(01:39:25):
Austin as a five and a half point favorite in
their Big twelve opener against Houston, who, by the way,
just beat Rice and played Oklahoma extremely tough. And I
don't know how good Oklahoma is, but they went to
Oklahoma and lost that game sixteen to twelve. That's tough
to do on the road at Oklahoma. So all in all, Austin,

(01:39:46):
I do think that it was a very positive weekend
for the Bearcats and showing signs of hope going forward. Again,
they gave up too many chunk plays. Can they find
consistent ways to get after the quarter? I don't know yet.
Their run defense was so much better, so much better
against Miami of Ohio. They did take a step forward

(01:40:10):
in that I think as a team. Miami of Ohio
ran it for one point three yards per rush. They
ran it for twenty six yards as opposed to two
fifteen from the Bearcats. That's good enough to win games
in a Big twelve where teams want to run the
ball against you. Those are all positives going forward. We

(01:40:30):
talked about the rest of the college football slate. That
was you do get a Friday night Top twenty five
matchup Illinois and Nebraska this week. Ohio State's back in
action against Marshall. The Thundering Herd come in on Saturday,
Top twenty five matchup USC and Michigan. Michigan still looks
awful in my opinion. Things don't get easier for Miami

(01:40:50):
Northwestern U see. Now they go to Notre Dame, who
just put up sixty six on Purdue Utah, Oklahoma State
a marquee matchup. Give me South Florida. That South Florida
team is better than I think a lot of people
are giving them credit for. And the early number is seventeen.
I think that's extremely high. You mentioned Austin Tennessee earlier.
They go and they'll play at Oklahoma on Saturday, which

(01:41:13):
should be a good one as well. So good slate
of college football, good NFL slate. We'll dive more into
that NFL slate later in the week. For now, Let's
take a break when we come back. Joe Burrow, the
quarterback of the Cincinnati Bengals. Ben Baby described it as
the most frustrated and angry that he has seen Joe
Burrow after a loss in speaking with the media, and
that includes the loss in the Super Bowl. You'll hear

(01:41:36):
part of that when we get back on the Monday
midday Quarterback right here on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
Thanks to our friends at Penn Station.

Speaker 26 (01:41:44):
Hey, Alexa, what's going on in baseball?

Speaker 15 (01:41:47):
Getting ESPN fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Hey, it's Austin. Make Hollywood Casino, Lawrenceburg your game day
headquarters this football season. Watch all the best games on
their giant screen TVs like I did yesterday, plus tackle
the area's best game day food and beverages. Penplay football
fans sign up for the free Cover five app today
and make your picks for a chance to win up
the five hundred dollars pen cash every week. Visit penplaysports

(01:42:15):
dot com slash cover five to start playing score big
this football season and at Hollywood Casino, Lawrensburg and Penn Play.
Must be twenty one or older to gamble. If you
were someone you know has a gambling problem in one's help,
call one eight hundred and nine with it or text
I n g A MB to five three three four two.

Speaker 5 (01:42:33):
Hey, it's malegger. Another year, another Bengals zero to two start.
We'll talk about it today on the Tony Remote Football Show.
Join us at Twin Peaks in Florence this afternoon, starting
at three oh five on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 18 (01:42:46):
Back on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
All right, welcome back, moving in here, our number three
moving right along thanks to Penn Station. On the Monday
Midday Quarterback right here on the Home of the Bengals,
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We have covered the
game from seemingly every possible angle throughout the first two
hours plus of this show. But it was something interesting
from Ben Baby yesterday in the Joe Burrow press conference

(01:43:27):
after the show, and he said, that's the most angry
I've seen Joe Burrow after a loss, and that's including
the Super Bowl loss. So here for you on the
Monday Midday Quarterback, some of Joe Burrow's postgame press conference
from yesterday.

Speaker 20 (01:43:42):
These are two great teams that you know, give it.
They're all so that's usually a recipe for a pretty
good game. You know, felt felt good about the game plan,

(01:44:03):
I've seen it. Well we're protecting Uh, you know, it
just didn't do enough to get it done all all
frustrated experience as frustrating as as I've had. Why, I'm
gonna have to kind of think about that one couple

(01:44:24):
days and I'm gonna have to ask me that again
on Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (01:44:27):
Can you tell us a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Of what happened on you know, with Jamar Chies when
you were heading.

Speaker 18 (01:44:31):
He attack.

Speaker 20 (01:44:34):
Usually, Uh, yeah, I'm not really sure. I was just
trying to de escalate the situation.

Speaker 10 (01:44:42):
Do you know what?

Speaker 20 (01:44:46):
There's something said that I'm not exactly sure what it was,
but uh, you'll have to have You'll have to ask him.

Speaker 29 (01:44:52):
Did you what rad did today with the tight ends,
howmost you guys leaned, and then how that continued to
open you guys involved.

Speaker 20 (01:44:58):
Yeah, we're renny those guys, especially way teams are gonna
play us. You know, we need those guys to come
up big in these situations, and you know, for the
most part they did after listened the time you did.

Speaker 24 (01:45:10):
How did it appe able to be back to playing that.

Speaker 36 (01:45:12):
Kind of moment against the team you like growing up against.

Speaker 20 (01:45:16):
Yeah, it's nice being back playing ball. But sorry, you
know this means things a little.

Speaker 22 (01:45:22):
Bit that you robb uh the fourth and Street ride
and you had a you know, you get out of
the sack, you got the certain winning conversion.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
What quite the work in the gym kind of kind of.

Speaker 27 (01:45:31):
Paid off for you in the ride.

Speaker 20 (01:45:33):
Yeah, I would say that's accurate.

Speaker 34 (01:45:35):
Is it is this the.

Speaker 5 (01:45:36):
Mess you felt that the like going back to whatever?

Speaker 22 (01:45:39):
Like how just ages especially FuMB up.

Speaker 20 (01:45:41):
Called around since the injury?

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Yeah, what what's it? Why did when game?

Speaker 29 (01:45:46):
Can you walk us through what it feels like when
you walk you good?

Speaker 20 (01:45:49):
Do a lot of competence or how.

Speaker 7 (01:45:51):
How does that have to translate to how do you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
Play in the age?

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:45:54):
I thought I played fast and decisive today. Obviously got
a hold onto the ball. Allow one was disappointing. M
gifted them six points, so that was frustrating.

Speaker 8 (01:46:06):
Wow.

Speaker 43 (01:46:09):
Yeah, are you hopeful about your performance? Saying obviously Atrey
you never damage yourself that you feel like, you know,
prevented yourself. You this again at high level game night's
day can help where you guys would get out of.

Speaker 20 (01:46:23):
Another o as you start, We didn't do enough to
win the game today, so you know, we got a
lot to fix.

Speaker 21 (01:46:28):
Joe, Was there any message to the TV to your guys,
cause you've been in this slot before, you filling yourself
out before.

Speaker 30 (01:46:33):
What's helping the message going too?

Speaker 20 (01:46:34):
You gotta get better?

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
You went to the tight answer totally.

Speaker 20 (01:46:37):
You can all day and all day?

Speaker 5 (01:46:39):
Why why?

Speaker 11 (01:46:39):
Why?

Speaker 15 (01:46:40):
Why was it?

Speaker 20 (01:46:41):
Yeah, that's kind of you know, how they're playing us
and kind of what I expected coming in. We knew
they were gonna double number one, uh and so we
needed those guys to step up, and you know they did.

Speaker 23 (01:46:56):
Why did the teach play each other as flos as
they do every every game, go back to the specially
go down and play basically didn't exactly like this.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
Why would you see plays other so well?

Speaker 20 (01:47:04):
They watched such passion in this matchups big time players
making big time plays.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
They made more today.

Speaker 30 (01:47:13):
Something else.

Speaker 20 (01:47:16):
Yeah, there are a couple of things that one obviously
really hurt us. So that was frustrating that I put
us in that position four sixteen when that happened against
somebody got to make a gotta make a play. Uh,
somebody's gotta somebody's got to and uh they did and

(01:47:40):
we didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
Did you what did y'all make up?

Speaker 14 (01:47:42):
I guess a lot of people used to trace the doll.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Y'all didn't go back to games schools, and a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:47:47):
Of people didn't gay big Doll had a chance and
would enjoyed this game.

Speaker 14 (01:47:49):
Did that playing too?

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
The twy j'all making that as all went.

Speaker 19 (01:47:52):
Through the league.

Speaker 20 (01:47:53):
And how I didn't I didn't even know that the
a fourth and three the yosha, I look like you
highest hym back there and we just you know he'd
break off his ruffle when he got Yeah, he m
he broke his route off. Really, that was unbelievable job
by him doing it so quickly, Uh understanding what they
were d trying to to defend and you know, running

(01:48:13):
the route to to beat it. So that was a
big time played by him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
He was sorry rent the last year and obvious think
as well, you.

Speaker 20 (01:48:23):
Trust He's m done nothing to for me to not
trust him. All he does is make plays and big
spots and continue to get better and better and practice
really hard, and uh know what he's doing. So He's
gonna continue to be a big part of what we're
doing here.

Speaker 21 (01:48:41):
Hey Joe, I know you rushed in to to kind
of make some piece with.

Speaker 37 (01:48:46):
Jamar when he was drops to the officially, what would
you think in in terms of trying to get him
back and focused.

Speaker 20 (01:48:53):
On what if he needed that, just trying to to
de escalate the situation. Uh, you know, hopefully hoping that that.
I'm not entirely sure what was said or who threw
the flag, but.

Speaker 30 (01:49:09):
You know, usually.

Speaker 20 (01:49:13):
Yeah, that was Uh, that's all I gotta say about that.

Speaker 34 (01:49:23):
Game.

Speaker 20 (01:49:23):
It's tough to save it.

Speaker 25 (01:49:24):
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 20 (01:49:25):
You hope to see this team again and you you
can enjoy these kind of nice and I hope it's a
loss to day.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Yeah, we got a lot.

Speaker 20 (01:49:31):
We got a lot before we talk about seeing these
guys again in the postseason. We got a lot to
a lot of football to be played, and a lot
of practicing to do, and a lot of improving to
to go out and do.

Speaker 44 (01:49:44):
To that point in the saspek, you said at least panics,
So how would you say about more urgency necessitas after
the same very high Thanks guys so much.

Speaker 5 (01:49:55):
Trust you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
All Right, there's some Joe Burrow from yesterday's postgame, the
loss against the Kansas City Chiefs Bengals zero to two.
Getting ready now to welcome on Monday Night Football the
Washington Commander. So here's the deal. I am now if
you can, can you hear that Austin? Is that coming
through on the station? Can you hear the helicopter? The
iHeart helicopter is here. It's picking me up and it's

(01:50:21):
about to take me down to Florence, where I get
to spend the next three hours, well from three to six,
talking about this with Moager. It's the Cincinnati Bengals falling
to h to two. This is the Monday Midday Quarterback
part of Sincy three to sixty, a service of Penn Station.
Austin has it the rest of the way. I'll be
right back in Florence, y'all with Moager for the Tony

(01:50:42):
and mo Football Show. We're on the Home of the
Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 6 (01:50:47):
This is Dave Lapflock and you're listening to the Home
of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
Welcome back to the Monday Midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty.
My name is Austin Elmore, Big Tone, on his way
down to the Tony and Moll Football Show Twin Peaks
in Florence. He'll be joined with mo Egger here in
just a little bit top of the hour, Joe Burrow
or not Joe Burrow, Zach Taylor. Zach Taylor will meet

(01:51:19):
with the media and you will hear that live here
on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty, as
Zach has a chance to take a look at what
happened yesterday as the Bengals lost to the Kansas City Chiefs.
I mean, I know that there's no moral victories in
the National Football League, and I don't want it to

(01:51:41):
sound like I am having a moral victory. But I
walked away from that game yesterday frustrated by the fact
that Joe Burrow fumbled again and it was a fumble
take into the house for a touchdown, and the fact
that you had two big drops in big moments in

(01:52:03):
which the game could have been turned on its head
Mike Gasiki on the first down, which was subsequently followed
by Burrow's drop or Burrow's fumble Andre Yoshivash drop. There
was another drop early in the game one of the
first drives by the Bengals receivers. You obviously had Jamar

(01:52:23):
Chase and what happened with his unsportsmanlike conduct, just completely
losing his cool. You can't lose your cool in those moments.
And I think there's one thing that kind of worries me,
is like, is the focus fully on football? Here? Is
the focus fully on winning a championship. I mean, you
just heard Burrow in that press conference. I agree with

(01:52:44):
Ben Baby. I've listened to every single Joe Burrow postgame
press conference in the last four years. At no point
has he seemed like that, not even after the Super Bowl.
At no point has he looked that dejected because I
think he knows that was a chance for them to

(01:53:05):
get things, you know, just kind of set things straight
and set themselves up in the stretch.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Run.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Tony gave the numbers earlier. It's hard to win in
the National Football League. It's hard to get to the
playoffs when you're zero and to It just doesn't happen
very often. And yet somehow I still feel good about
the Bengals' ability to do so. Obviously, the schedule coming
up with Carolina with Washington, with the New York Giants,

(01:53:35):
you feel better about that. But there are also teams
on this schedule that are better maybe than you thought. Philadelphia,
Las Vegas, the Chargers. Pittsburgh's defense is still really tough.
Tennessee is ohing too, but they look good. They've found
ways to be competitive, gave the Jets a run for
their money. So it's just talking off the air with

(01:53:58):
Tarren Bland and you kind of hope that, like you know,
he hops the Bengals aren't one of those teams that
played down to their competition, And it was thinking about
great point. You don't want to be one of those
teams that you can't just roll over the bad teams,
and one of those teams that when you play the
good teams, when you play the Chiefs and you play

(01:54:19):
the Niners, and you play the Ravens, they get your
best shot. There needs to be more consistency from this team.
The good news is a lot of the mistakes that
they've made over the first couple of weeks are correctable.
The other thing is there are some things you can't
do anything about, and right now, the health of the
defensive line is a problem. The fact that the Chiefs

(01:54:43):
ran the ball more than they threw it yesterday says
a lot about the status of the Bengals defense. The
Bengals' strength, believe it or not, is their secondary It
is what they're good at. It is where they have
the most talent on their defense. And yet the Chiefs
decided to run the ball well thirty two times. Why
because they know the weakness of the Bengals is the

(01:55:05):
defensive line, and they wore that defensive line down over
the course of the game. And Isaiah Pacheco being out
is certainly going to change things for the Chiefs moving forward.
But that is how teams are going to attack the
Bengals from here on out. You heard one of our
talkbackers earlier talk about the Commanders and the way that

(01:55:29):
they have run the football really well, Brian Robinson. You
still have Austin Eckler, Jayden Daniels has looked good running
the ball through the first couple weeks. For the Commanders,
the strategy is going to be run the ball at
the Bengals' weakest point, play keep away, don't allow Joe
Burrow and the offense to get into a rhythm. That's

(01:55:53):
how it's going to work. The Bengals. You saw they
got the ball first, they got into a rhythm. They
put the Chiefs on their heels. That's good. That's how
it needs to be. Remember when this team was playing
really well down the stretch the last couple of years,
they would take the ball first. They would set the tone,
they would create the momentum, they would get into the rhythm.
Has to be that way moving forward. I think if

(01:56:14):
you're the Bengals, you wake up today obviously disappointed, but
you feel so much better about who you are as
a football team today than you did a week ago.
I said this a couple of times earlier. I've been,
you know, over the last week worried, what if that's

(01:56:35):
who the Bengals are, the Bengals that played the Patriots.
What if that's who they are. That's a scary thought,
isn't it. But yesterday made me feel better about the
fact that, yeah, who they were in Week one, that's
that's not who they are. They're more like the team
that went toe to toe with the Chiefs. But they

(01:56:55):
have stuff to clean up, the drops, the penalties. I've
got to address the interior of their defensive line. I've
got to be able to stop the run more effectively.
They have to get pass rush from somebody outside of
Trey Hendrickson. Those are challenges. Most of them are correctable,
some of them you don't know the solutions yet. Offensively,

(01:57:18):
Alex Kappa and Trent Brown have struggled mightily in the
pass game when the Bengals do try to line up
under center, when they try to go to their jumbo packages,
when they try to run the ball down people's throat,
they can't do it. Trent Brown is slow, appears to
be out of shape, and he's too big. His pad
levels not low enough. Alex Kappa just doesn't appear to

(01:57:40):
me to be fundamentally sound. Ted Carris just kind of
takes up space. He's not really good at anything, but
he's not really bad at anything. Orlando Brown Junior, I
think has been solid. The inconsistencies of the offensive line,
I think again, towards the end of the game yesterday
sped Joe Burrow up a little bit, and understandably he's

(01:58:02):
sped up because of the issues he's having and has
had in the past with his injuries. So hopefully through
two games this team just settles down a little bit
realizes that they're still in a position to be where
they want. Obviously, you look at the AFC North, Pittsburgh
is two and o. Pittsburgh's two and o, Cleveland's one

(01:58:26):
and one, Baltimore's oh and two. You're still very much
in the conversation in the AFC North. And it starts
with that. You've got two weeks now to figure this
out before the Baltimore Ravens come to town. And you've
got two teams that you should beat and that you
are absolutely better than. But you have to clean up

(01:58:49):
the mental mistakes. You can't have the penalties, you can't
have the fumbles, you can't have the drops. That's what
bad teams do, all of these things. And the Bengals
were still about to win that game. That's a good thing.
Not here for moral victories, but that's a good thing.
Two bad ones out of the way, two opportunities to

(01:59:11):
get right, and then you move forward. When we come back,
we'll check in with Moe Egger for quick Hits and
Locks of the Night. He's a twin Peaks in Florence
for the Tony and Mo Football Show. I'm Austin know
more than this is Monday Midday Quarterback on the Home
of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 18 (01:59:26):
Thirty, ESPN fifteen thirty, Online at ESPN fifteen thirty dot Com,
on your phone with the iHeartRadio app, and on hundreds
of devices like Alexa, Google Home, Xbox and Sonos and
iHeartRadio station. Hey, it's Maulagger your son ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati Sports Station. It's time for Cincy three sixty Quick

(01:59:50):
Hits on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
Yes, indeed it is. And welcome back in to Monday
Midday Quarterback. I'm Austin know More, Tony Pike on his
way to Twin Peaks and Lawrence to be joined by
mo Egger for the or to join Moeger for the
Tony and Mo Football Show. Before we get to Mo,
just an FYI to people listening. I know we're having
some tower issues. There's some static coming through. We are

(02:00:15):
still live on the app, we're still live online. They
are working on getting the static to go away. I
know we've got some phone calls and tweets and all that,
but we're working on it. Hopefully everything back to normal soon.
Back to normal is the Tony and Mo Football Show
on Mondays after Bengals games and apparently after starting zero
to two, Hi, Mo, how are you? I am doing great, Austin.

(02:00:37):
Nothing worse than tower problems. Oh man, there's tower problems. Yeah,
that happens too much.

Speaker 4 (02:00:42):
Great.

Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
Your Your big takeaway from yesterday was what because it's
like no moral victories? But also you feel better?

Speaker 4 (02:00:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:00:52):
I mean, I'm a big believer in context. So if
all we're ever gonna do is focus on the result,
then shows like this go away, right, But because I
think I think it's fun to apply context within the
context of the season. If the Bengals team that I
watched yesterday shows up for the next fifteen games, this

(02:01:15):
team's fine. They weren't perfect, and I'm not sure who's
going to play defensive line for him moving forward. But
I went into that game going, Okay, I need to
see a Joe Burrow who looks more like the old
Joe Burrow. He wasn't perfect, but I didn't see a
guy who looked uncomfortable. I didn't watch him questioning his health,
and so that's a major win if anything, if you

(02:01:39):
want to focus on the result, I'm more pissed off
about losing to the Patriots, who I know gave the
Seahawks everything they could handle yesterday and are probably better
than I gave him credit for. But I mean to me,
if you're going to focus simply on the result, you
kind of assume the Bengals were going to lose that
game yesterday, right, So you were setting yourself to up

(02:02:00):
to be upset. So if you assumed they were going
to lose, then within the framework of that loss, I
think you hope to see some things that might make
you feel better about what the Bengals are going to
do moving forward, and I did. Now I think the
game itself the Bengals gave away. If you are looking
for someone who's going to spend three hours talking about

(02:02:22):
the officiating, you got the wrong guy. I mean, you
just do.

Speaker 3 (02:02:26):
You got the wrong guy.

Speaker 5 (02:02:27):
If you're going to hope that someone lends their voice
to the chorus of people who want to dive into conspiracies,
you got the wrong guy. But I thought there was
a lot to like about how they played. I thought
there was a lot to like about how Joe played.
But the results of the game itself will reverberate, right,

(02:02:49):
I mean, if the Bengals are in Kansas City in
the playoffs, was a very good chance, at least a
non zero chance that we're going to look back at
that game yesterday and for me at least lament the
opportunities the Bengals had to put the game away, separate
themselves a little bit, and win a game that was

(02:03:09):
there for the taking. But if there's a big takeaway
from that game, as I said here today, I'm not
wondering if Joe is not one hundred percent. I'm sure
he's not, but he looked like he could play. Not
being one hundred percent, that's a step in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (02:03:23):
What was going through your head when Jamar Chase was
screaming at the official, when Joe Burrow was trying to
hold him back, and then eventually the flag is thrown
and kind of just the reaction to it afterwards by
Joe and Zach, What do you make of that?

Speaker 5 (02:03:37):
My reaction watching it was Jamar's frustrated, and he's frustrated
about a lot of things that have nothing to do
with the supposed hit drop tackle. But Buddy, I can't
have you getting fifteen yard penalties. You could yell and
scream all you want about well, he shouldn't have thrown
the flag in that situation. Don't put the official in
a position to throw the flag. You gotta be better.

(02:04:00):
That's a theme yesterday, right, Like there were a lot
of areas where they have to be better.

Speaker 3 (02:04:05):
The margin for air in that game.

Speaker 5 (02:04:08):
You can't have a guy who is playing his sixth
snap of the game, who is a seventh round draft
choice on the field when the game's hanging in the balance.
You can't fumble away a touchdown, You can't miss a
pat and you can't have your star wide receiver second
best player cost you a drive because.

Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
He loses his mind.

Speaker 5 (02:04:29):
You just you can't. And but as I watched that,
I thought that that's a man who's frustrated, and he's
frustrated with more than what happened in that play.

Speaker 3 (02:04:39):
Anything outside of the Bengals across the NFL that struck
a chord with you. Obviously, Baltimore falls to zero to two.
Andy Dalton is now the starting quarterback for Carolina Panthers.
What else stood out to you?

Speaker 5 (02:04:52):
Well, Baltimore starting zero to two is interesting because yesterday's
game felt familiar.

Speaker 40 (02:04:58):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:04:58):
No team in the NFL has blown more fourth quarter
double digit fourth quarter leads since twenty twenty two. Then
the Baltimore Ravens. That has been a repeated pattern under
John Hardball, and that team's schedule in the coming weeks
is a lot more imposing than what the Bengals have
in front of them, and so it's gonna be interesting
to see the how the next two weeks play out
with that Week five game looming in Cincinnati. I guess

(02:05:20):
for me, if I'm looking for someone around the league
that opened my eyes, one would be the ease with
which the Arizona Cardinals just shredded a very depleted RAMS team,
and then the other would be the New Orleans Saints. Yeah,
who I called two weeks ago the most anonymous team
in the league. Not so much, man, And I think
that's more than just Dallas being awful. I think that's

(02:05:42):
more than just Dallas reading its own press materials after
their game against against Cleveland. To me, the winner of
Week two in the winner of the first two weeks
of the season in a very winnable division would be
the New Orleans Saints. But you can't talk about the
NFC South without mentioning with Baker Mayfield and the Buckstage.

Speaker 2 (02:05:59):
Yes and Detroit.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
They looked really good. And that's one team, man, that's
one that Tampa is probably gonna be talking about in
the same way or Detroit's gonna be talking about the
same way the Bengals are talking about. Losing in Kansas City. Yeah,
I was very high on Tampa to cover that number.
I know you were as well. Let's get to Locks
of the Night.

Speaker 45 (02:06:18):
Hey, degenerates, it's time for Lots of the Night presented
by Cincy Shirts. Visit the stores in Hyde Park, Lovelin,
or on Dixie Highway Inport Mitchell and always online at
sinceyshirts dot com.

Speaker 3 (02:06:30):
Now, let's make you some money about ninety seconds here, mo,
because we're gonna get to Zach Taylor on time today.
What do you got tonight? Monday Night football? And otherwise.

Speaker 5 (02:06:39):
Jalen Hurts is at home. He committed four turnover worthy
plays in Brazil. I got this at six and a half.
It's at five and a half right now at most books.
Falcons defense was good enough against it, admittedly not great.
Pittsburgh offense Week one. I know they're on the road.
I just think the numbers a little bit too big
to trust a turnover prone quarterback in Jalen Hurts. My

(02:06:59):
guess is Eagles win. Falcons cover.

Speaker 3 (02:07:01):
All right, there, it is Moe Egger getting set for
the Tony and Mo Football Show. They'll talk about the Bengals,
they'll talk about the Bearcats as the bell is back
in Clifton. Zach Taylor coming up as well.

Speaker 15 (02:07:15):
Mo.

Speaker 3 (02:07:15):
Thank you so much. We'll be listening.

Speaker 5 (02:07:16):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
All right. That is mo Eger live from Twin Peaks
in Florence for the Tony and Mo Football Show. Make
sure to go and join him, and make sure you
join us tomorrow Sincy three sixty on location at the
grand reopening of the Pellow Windows and Doors of Greater
Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky Rover at Montgomery Road in Montgomery.

(02:07:38):
Can't wait twelve to three at Pellow Windows and Doors.
We will see you there. Thank you so much for listening,
Tony and Mo. Or Next, this has been Monday midday
quarterback on the Home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
Hey, it's Tony Pike. I want to invite you