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Joe Burrow threw on the run, took play action reps from under center, and threw deep in Tuesday's practice open to the media. We break down the biggest takeaways from his practice reps on the field, and then dissect what he had to say about the rehab and "flying blind" as the only professional QB to suffer a scapholunate ligament injury. Plus, Burrow spent extra time working with tight ends Mike Gesicki and Tanner Hudson and talked about his approach to not overdoing it and pushing himself too hard (related to the calf injury, probably) as he continues to recovery from the wrist injury. Join the Locked On Bengals Insider Community! https://joinsubtext.com/lockedonbengalsFind and follow Locked On Bengals on your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-bengals-daily-podcast-on-the-cincinnati-bengals/id1159723162Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7AObc0lh0WmQl5fJVgtajsGoogle Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vbG9ja2Vkb25iZW5nYWxz?sa=X&ved=0CAYQrrcFahcKEwio_sXtj8nuAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAgStitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/locked-on-bengals
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dayers and everyone out there who makesus there first listening, James, you
were one of the few that gotto be in attendance in person to see
Joe Burrows. Technically, I guesssecond throwing practice. The Bengals did have
a practice on Monday where Burrow threw. It was not open to the media.
There were clips that Bengals social putout a lot more that we saw

(02:22):
today from the full Bengals beat inattendance there recording Joe Burrow's return to work.
He's back and he looked like JoeBurrow. And it's weird. I'm
having deja vous because we've done thisbefore, but he really did. From
the arm, the throwing, allof those things which we can discuss in

(02:42):
more detail, but the way hewas rolling out, the way he was
exploding with the ball in his hands, pushing the ball downfield, throwing off
platform. All of the things thatyou wanted to see you saw, and
I didn't see him win, soI didn't see him do anything. Now,
I think Joe Burrow's one hundred percent. No, it's not one hundred

(03:02):
percent. But if we hadn't knownthat he underwent a very serious Risks surgery
in November, if we didn't knowthat he was coming back from a really
serious throwing hand issue, would Ihave thought anything about it? The answer
is also know so he looks goodenough to where if we never knew about

(03:23):
the injury, we wouldn't be questioningJoe Burrow and yet listening to him afterwards,
I think it's pretty clear that he'sstill working through some things, which
is to be expected at this stageof the offseason. I think the one
there weren't many positives from Joe Brow'swrist injury and the surgery. One of
them when we did that show monthsand months ago, was well, he

(03:43):
does have time to recover, hedoes have time to heal, and it
looks like he took that time andhas been throwing for quite some time now
and is getting stronger and stronger.So I'll put it like this, our
listeners and viewers would whatever you hopeJoe Burrow what would look like in OTAs

(04:03):
in May. I think he passedthat test and delivered on whatever you dreamed
and hoped he would do. He'sdoing that now. Doesn't mean he's fully
back, but he's getting closer andcloser. Yeah, big takeaway is that
he's on schedule. This is whatthey thought he would be doing this week.
That's what he is doing this week. He's throwing the ball fifty yards

(04:25):
downfield. He's throwing the ball onthe move on a line. It doesn't
look like he's necessarily limited, atleast today in the throws that are available
to him in practice, and likesome years past, James, we're saying
a few of the same things thisyear, where he looks like himself,
He's moving well, he looks strong. He looked noticeably bigger to me on

(04:48):
some of the videos that came out, and I mentioned that to you,
like my crazier is is he biggerthan last year? And perhaps this is
just a normal off season cycle forJoe Burrow quarterbacks where they bull kept during
the off season as much as theycan and they tend to lose a little
bit of weight during the season.That is a tendency for sure. But
these are things that we've said thelast couple of years when Joe Burrow has

(05:11):
had to work back from off seasonailments one way or another, and we're
saying it again this year. Soa lot of the things that he needed
to work on to get back tothis point are in the rearview mirror.
He talked a lot about that.We will get into some of the takeaways
from what he had to say abouthis rehab process and what's left for him
to do in that rehab process.But for the most part, I thought

(05:35):
from what I saw, looked verysharp, looks like he was moving great
as you would expect. The footworkis something that he's been able to work
on, but putting that together withthrowing the ball and as he said,
starting to throw the ball on themove a little bit more, which asks
more of the risk than when youhave really clean in pocket mechanics and your

(05:57):
base is really sound and there's nothinggoing on out of the ordinary, you
can get your whole body into thethrow. There was a lot of that
moving on the round, both leftand right, throwing on the run in
this practice, and these are allgood things to see wide receivers having positive
things to say about the velocity andthe way the ball is coming out of
Joe Burrow's hands. So all inall, I think a very positive day

(06:21):
of takeaways for Burrow where you cantell that he's still working back because we
know and so we're paying more attentionto certain things. But the fact that
he's where he is in OTAs isa very positive sign considering especially when you
consider some of the things he hadto say, which we will get to,

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like I said, we'll break downsome of the things you had to
say in those takeaways as well.Yeah, I think the other element here
in something that Joe was able todo. The other positive I guess is
how I should phrase this, Butthe other positive you mentioned putting on a
few extra pounds or putting on someextra muscle, getting stronger, getting bigger,

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he's clearly let's just throw the throwingout of it for a second.
He's clearly moving. He was sprintingin between when they're going from one side
of the field to the other.He's sprinted. I have a video of
him sprinting after handing the ball offto Chase Brown, and he sprints with
him and it almost looks like he'strying to be his lead blocker. He's

(07:27):
clearly working on the conditioning element,the athleticism, the explosiveness, all of
those things, which isn't a shock. He's a gym rat. He loves
the gym. He's going to beone of those guys that is eighty working
out like that's just what Joe Burrowis. But he's been able to do
all of those things. And sothe good news is none of that stuff

(07:48):
he's not working his way back there. It's not like the ACL where it's
the same in that way. Andhe's past every test at this point,
like you said, on schedule,from a a grip standpoint, a throwing
standpoint, and so now I thinkit's more about getting those aches and pains
in that wrist, getting those out, and how do you do that,

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Well, you get stronger. I'msure he's trying to get that risk to
full strength. Fully, that doesn'tmean that he can't put some zip on
the ball, because he did.You're right. I talked to andre Yosavash
after practice Trent Irwin, both sayingthe same things, and you really it's
it's because we're paying attention that we'renoticing that there might it might be a

(08:33):
snitch, a smidge off. Andit's because of what Joe Burrow said to
your point, and so we shouldprobably get into that because he was I
thought he was really good. Talkedfor nearly twenty minutes and kind of pulled
the curtain back a little bit aboutthis injury and about the off season.
His mindset is so on and soforth, and I think some of the
things he said really reveal some importantmaturity that we've been looking for from Burrow.

(08:58):
That has to do with being honestwith himself about how he's feeling and
not pushing himself in ways that leadto things like the calf injury in training
camp last year, for example,not pushing yourself in any rehab beyond the
point of what is healthy and findingwhere that line is, and he talked
a lot about that on Tuesday aswell. My last point on the throwing

(09:22):
itself, the only thing that evenbegin to began to give me any question
as to whether or not the riskwas one hundred percent was there's just like
a little bit of wobble on acouple of balls he's thrown that we've seen
videos of, nothing that's too concerning, but typically the ball coming out of
Joe Burrow's hand, it's clean,tight, spiral, high RPMs. And

(09:48):
I think when you combine what Burrowhad to say in his presser about trying
to find that consistency again feeling alittle bit more rusty with his mechanics than
normal because of the time he hadto take off from throwing, that the
increase gap in throwing compared to whathe's normally had. That I think is
probably what we're seeing. But therest of the takeaways for me the kind

(10:11):
of explain perhaps some of that andsome of that could just be normal variants
right in your first or second practiceof the off season program, like might
be just a mountain out of amole hill could be nothing at all.
But when you combine that with kindof some of the things he said that
he's trying to get back the remainderof his recovery process, it kind of

(10:31):
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pay Court Stadium for about twenty minutes. Like you said, James had a
lot of interesting commentary and some goodopenness and honestness about his recovery and about
some of the big lessons learned.What's it out to most of you?

(12:20):
As you were sitting in the roomhearing what Joe Burrow had to say,
A couple of things. First thingsfirst, I think he went back,
as he and every player does this. You take a step back after the
season and you just reflect. AndI think he went back to July twenty
seventh, the morning of July twentyseventh, when he felt some tightness in

(12:41):
his calf, and he said,ah, I can play through. It's
day two of training camp. Sohe put that sleeve on, practice through
it, two hours in pulls thecalf. And I think and he mentioned
this, he didn't mention the CAFspecifically, but he needs to be willing
to acknowledge when he's not feeling right, when he is dealing with aches and
pains, specifically with the wrist,there are going to be good days and

(13:05):
bad days, and some days hemight not be able to protect practice or
shouldn't practice because you don't want tomake or turn a mole hill into a
mountain. And that's what happened lastyear is it kind of compounded and then
it was just a wacky year fromthat point July twenty seventh on, it
was just really weird year for theBengals. And so for him to say
he's still growing and learning and admittingthat, I think that comes with maturity

(13:31):
with reflection. But that was onething, because you don't want him pushing
it on August second, just becauseI think we all would agree there.
The other thing is him mentioning theuncertainty with this injury and that being the
biggest challenge for him, and Iget it because I think we were all

(13:52):
there with this. It's not likethere's a ton of examples of Tom Brady
and Peyton Manning and all these differentquarterbacks that have dealt with serious injuries.
Not many of them have dealt withthis. I don't think we have an
example a star quarterback that's dealt withthis type of rist injury. So the
uncertainty was certainly concerning, but healso made it very very clear that they're

(14:15):
towards the end of the process hereand can certainly see the line at the
end of the tunnel. Yeah.Burrow said he couldn't find another quarterback that
has gone through this injury, whichis in line with what we found when
we've done our independent research. Youand I both looking for examples of this
before at the professional level, there'snot been a quarterback that's gone through this
injury. Burrow said that he foundsome offensive line and some defensive line and

(14:37):
some linebackers that have gone through thisinjury and had to return to play,
but in those instances specifically mentioned thatthey don't need the same sort of risk.
Range of motion and the intricacy ofword that he used several times in
his presser is not quite as sophisticatedfor what is required for those athletic movements

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versus what's required to throw a football. So going into this what was so
challenging for Burrow and what he wastalking about and acknowledging and so challenging is
the early part of the rehab wereuncharted waters, I think were the words
he used. And figuring out whatexactly the rehab needed to look like to
recover the full range of motion inthe wrist and enable him to get back

(15:26):
to good throwing mechanics were not protocolsthat existed necessarily at the level that you
would expect Joe Burrow kind of rehabprotocols to exist. So, like the
ACL, for example, they knowhow to rehab an ACL. At this
point, the NFL has seen everyflavor of ACL, every flavor of knee

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injury. The NBA has seen ittoo. Athletes, professional athletes have seen
tons of ACL recoveries. They knowhow to rehab acls. At this point,
they don't know how to rehab scaffoall name ligament issues reconstructions in professional
quarterbacks. So navigating that was abig challenge, and that was leading to

(16:10):
some of the initial concern and uncertainty, like you said, with the injury,
and probably a lot of the speculationthat engagement. Farmers got a lot
of engagements from in the last fewmonths. But what Burrow had to say
about it is they're kind of throughthe uncertain part at this point, which

(16:32):
was the most encouraging thing. Hesaid, I think that there's reason for
optimism, even if you take awaythat. You know, he didn't want
to talk about does his wrisk hurtwhen he's throwing, which means it probably
does sometimes hurt. Well, heacknowledged that specifically he didn't in that moment,
but then he was like, butI'm dealing with pain, right It's
like, because I don't really wantto answer the question, but he probably

(16:53):
realized that in not answering the question, he answered the question. The point
is is that he's through I thinkall of the really scary part of the
rehab. They've figured out the mobility, they figured out the range of motion,
they figured out how to get himback to the mechanics that he wants
to be throwing with. And thebig step that he's working on right now
is throwing on the move, andthen after that, the only thing left

(17:15):
is getting cleared for contact. He'sclear to throw on the move right now.
He did it. We have videoof him doing it left and right.
Like I said, so the bigstep that he's currently working on,
and he looks good throwing on themove right now. But the big optimistic
takeaway for me, James, isthat they're through all of that uncertain part.
He said, that's what the lastsix seven months have been. We're
kind of at the end of thatnow, And to me, that suggested

(17:38):
that the part that he was concernedabout, they're through that now and now
is just getting confidence back in thejoint. Much like the ACO where he
said, you know, I wascleared after seven months or whatever it was,
but I didn't really or eight ornot whatever it was, didn't really
feel normal until about a year.And he's saying kind of the same thing,
like he expected it to be maybea few more months before he feels

(17:59):
normal, even though he's cleared forall this stuff. Now yep, And
that's again he has the time.You have nearly three months until camp,
over three months until the first preseasongame, four months, over four months,
even though the schedule's not out untilthe Bengals opener. So when you
put it in that perspective and thencombine it with what I just mentioned or

(18:23):
earlier in the show about his mindset, Okay, so take August first off,
and I don't have the training campschedule. I'm just naming a day.
They may not practice on August first. Take August first off, or
go lighter that day where you're onlydoing some individual stuff like That's that's fine,
because it isn't about August first.It's not about July first, or

(18:44):
May seventh or May eighth. It'sabout being there week one and be all
systems go and in feeling like hisnormal self. And so I think he
has some perspective now where he can'tjust push, push push Joe for so
long to play after being an awesomehigh school football player and then getting hurt

(19:06):
at Ohio State and losing that quarterbackbattle and all of those things, Like
I totally get why he'd be like, oh, no, I'm not coming
out. I can play, Ican practice, I can do Like that's
just that's what got him here,is having that mindset and just pushing through.
And so now it's like, allright, well, yeah, you
do need to push through, andin December is the time to push through

(19:27):
with the division on the line ormore. But July twenty seventh maybe not
so much, especially with a wristinjury that's pretty unprecedented. Like we mentioned,
that's exactly the point of maturity thatI think is really important for him.
That we want to see him havethat awareness, and he's showing that
awareness. It's really hard, bythe way, it's really hard to It's

(19:49):
like it's like our listeners going intowork when they have a cold and then
realize, like it's similar because athletesare used to playing through stuff. They
just are sure. I would drawa parallel as well to him realizing when
he needs to get rid of theball versus when he needs to take a
hit. That's another thing where it'sreally hard to figure out where that line

(20:12):
is right, where is it productivefor me to try to extend the play
and make something happen like I didagainst San Francisco versus where do I just
need to get rid of the balland not take a hit, And those
are things that he's grown with overtime. His sack rate, his pressure
to sack rate have gone down overtime, and so learning this lesson,

(20:33):
which is a very different lesson butthe same sort of idea where you're figuring
out where the line is to notpush past it is an important piece of
Burrow's development that we've talked about before, and now he's showing that introspection and
awareness that he does have that onhis mind. And then in addition to
that, we're seeing him working onall the things that he wanted to work

(20:56):
on last season as well, throwingon the move and having more of an
ability to throw the ball off platform. So you're still seeing all the football
stuff, but you're also saying thispersonal development as well, which you kind
of expect from Joe Burrow at thispoint, but it's always need couraging to
see and you need if he's goingto be that type of leader that is

(21:17):
and no one debates that contract,right and it's worth it, but if
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(22:48):
would be, but mentally, physically, all of the above, and I
expect to see I go back tothat July twenty sixth practice. I've said
it a thousand me say it athousand times, and our every dares have
heard it. But it's the bestpractice I've ever seen Joe Burrow had,
best I've ever seen Joe Burrow.Look. He was awesome Unjulf twenty six
last year. It was crazy howgood he looked. And I think there's

(23:14):
it's realistic to think that he's goingto get back to that level or maybe
even rise above that level. Andwould we have said that three months ago?
I think we would have said wehope so. But I say it
with much more confidence now just havingwatched him on Tuesday. The only other
takeaways for me are one, therewas a really cool video I think you

(23:34):
might have I don't know if you'veshared it yet. At least as loved
the time of recording, but ofJoe Burrow talking to his tight ends Tanner
Hudson and Mike Asiki talking through theirrelease out of a certain route, talking
through where he wants them to move, how he wants them to move,
how he wants them to uncover.It was a back shoulder. It was
a back shoulder after he threw toTanner. I'm not trying to cut you

(23:56):
off, just give you context.After he had thrown it to Tanner and
then Gisicki ran the same route,and he's talking to both of them,
and he wanted, based on ifwe're talking about the same thing, he
wanted Tanner to go upfield more andthen turn instead of like run a comeback,
because it was kind of like acomeback for Tanner and Gasicki kept going

(24:17):
upfield and then turned. So mayor may not be the same one I'm
thinking of. The one I'm thinkingof kind of looked like a three yard
hitch and then you move away,you kind of drift out depending on where
the linebacker is, depending on wherethe coverage is, might be the same
one. And I just misinterpreted whenI was looking at But either way,
he's working with his tight ends onspecifically how he wants him to get out
of certain routes, which I thinkis pretty cool. He talked about the

(24:41):
relationship building that continues for Joe Burrow, that level of detail that you get
with Joe Burrow that you've heard receiverstalk about before, especially with these new
guys. Nice to see that footballstuff continue with Joe Burrow. Nice to
see Joe Burrow involved once again withthat football stuff. We haven't seen him
do football stuff, which I'll stopsaying now for a really long time.

(25:03):
The only other note for me isit'll be very interesting to see as we
once again saw perhaps an emphasis onplay action and under center reps for Burrow
in this open practice. Whether thatis again a trend this offseason the way
it was last offseason. Not seenenough yet to call it a trend,

(25:25):
but they're under center again in theearly off season program, working on footwork,
working on timing, working on Burrowgetting out of those drop backs and
getting into those throws, and ifthat is another little uptick and under center
work, which we thought was aplan last year until that calf injury,
threw everything off the rails. That'llbe an interesting trend to watch throughout this
offseason program, No doubt, No, that's a trend, and it's something

(25:49):
I expect because they did spend adecent amount of time on Tuesday doing that
and I did post see this isone that we will be on the same
page on for sure. I posteda video of Burrow play action to Chase
Brown, Chase Brown in the backfield, play action to thirty over the middle
to eighty eight Mike Issicki, andso that one backwards at Burrow delivering that

(26:12):
one's on Twitter if you want tocheck that one out. There's some great
clips of him throwing the ball,of him looking really good, and maybe
you'll see some of the bobbles thatI was talking about earlier as well.
But by and large, I thoughtit was a great day for Joe Burrow
and it was really interesting to hearhis honesty and candidness with the media and
his presser. This optimism that thingswill get back to normal, I think

(26:37):
is the biggest takeaway, and thenthat he's clearly not quite at one hundred
percent yet and he's aware of howhe needs to manage his body and that's
something that he's continuing to develop.Players not in attendance, just some other
practice notes. If we're through withthe Burrow topics, which I think we
are, Trey hendricks not there,t Higgins out there, Jamar Chase out

(27:02):
there. T Higgins technically not undercontract, so he doesn't have to be
there. Obviously he's not on theteam technically speaking. But Jamar and Trey
Hendrickson some notable absences, and TysonAnderson and Blanking j iv dj Ivy working

(27:22):
on the rehab field as they workback from their ACL any other notable absences
from practice today. No, Jamar'sworking in Texas. I know he's working
hard. Tyson rehabs going well.Dj Ivy last I checked, rehabs going
well. So both guys progressing andhopeful for the start of camp. I
would say dj it was obviously laterin the year, so it's a little

(27:45):
more murky with Tyson. I thinkhe's he's planning to be back and a
very intriguing safety competition perhaps for TysonAnderson coming up this summer. You think
they have a lot of safeties onthe roster. I mean, I think
he's stole the fourth, But yeah, they do have a lot of safeties

(28:06):
on the roster. There's going tobe a lot of storylines that we can
hit on at some point because theVon Bell one is certainly one Von Bell
Jordan battle. That'll be one ofmany battles that we discuss. But last
thing, our guy, Brian Callahancoaching a Bengal grabbing Tyler Boyd one year
deal worth up to four point twomillion. I think Jeremy Fowler had the

(28:27):
money first from ESPN. Not shockedby this. Look the Titans, they
were going to add a receiver,they had him in, and then they
brought in the Zay Jones as well. I was going to say the guy
from the Jaguar z Jones and soclearly the familiarity with Boyd, they went
with Boyd. So all I knowis is the Bengals play Boyd this year.

(28:51):
They'll play in Tennessee and Nashville wheneverthe schedule does come out. And
congrats to Tyler Boyd for landing hisnext contract in a great career with the
Cincinnati Bengals. Of course, finishingwith five hundred and thirteen interceptions is some
legendary stuff in six thousand yards onthe nose. Yeah, I mean,
what are we doing? These numbersare perfect? It's crazy. Yeah,

(29:15):
I mean interesting. The money forTV, the market really didn't develop up
to four and a half million isreally not a great deal for a pretty
good slot receiver. So happy tosee him find some work, find a
familiar landing spot with Brian Callahan wherehe will go and continue to help establish
the Bengals culture that Callahan is lookingto transplant to the Tennessee locker room.

(29:40):
But we'll see him again, Iguess this year. As the Bengals will
play the Titans at some point everyyear every year in Nashville, it feels
like it is this the fourth straightyear. Yeah, it's a playoff game.
He's twenty one, two, three, twenty four. You yep,
the playoff tame wasn't scheduled. Itjust happened to work out that way.

(30:02):
But three straight scheduled years because ofweird scheduling idiosyncrasies, and they played well.
They've played five straight years. It'sjust twenty twenty was at pay Corp.
It was that Bengal's second win rightbefore they went into the by Jesse
Bates picked off Ryan Tannehill on theopening drive and Burrow lit up their secondary
a little bit, and Ahill wasbreaking loose in Nashville talking about their corners.

(30:25):
I remember that. Oh yeah,I think that's it. We're hoping
to talk to Trey Brown a littlebit later this week, and I guess
the note there is that he declinedan interview to be the de facto GM
of the New England Patriots. Maybewe'll get some insight from Trey if that
interview goes off as scheduled. Thatmight be Sunday, that might be Thursday,
we'll see. It'll probably be Sundayfor everybody listening. But that is

(30:48):
something that we're hoping to have foryou soon, as well as potentially a
schedule release that should be coming thisweek. Potentially we'll have that plus what
Brandon Thorne to talk about the Bengalsand some of their additions and younger offensive
line. We'll have some offensive linetalk with Brandon Thorn for you this week
as well. But until then,that's going to do it for this episode

(31:10):
of the Lockdown Bengals Podcast. Untilnext time, thanks for listening, Wodey
and having them one. Hey Primemembers, you can listen to this Lockdown
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