October 16, 2024 • 8 mins
Shawn Syed of Sumer Sports and the Stats and Scheme podcast broke down the Bengals/Giants film, and discussed how bad the Browns are.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sean Sayed, a host of the Stats and Scheme podcast,
also the author of the Monday Morning Mashup column for
Sumer Sports, which you should read every single Monday, a
full rundown of everything that happened that mattered and some
stuff that didn't matter in the NFL. Bengals and Giants mattered,
at least to us. Maybe it mattered to Sean.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
How you doing, sir, mo, I'm doing great?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
You know, the second time we get to talk after
a win, certainly hope to.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Continue to get those going. And I would agree.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know, you play on Sunday night, you get a win,
you start rolling, You look at to the schedule. Maybe
you pull three more wins in a row before you
go ahead and play Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
That would be great. A cynic would look at Sunday
Night and say, well, the Giants didn't have Malik Neighbors,
they didn't have Devin single Terry. They're not a team
that was going to beat the Bengals downfield with a
bunch of explosive plays. Maybe it wasn't a given the
Bengals were going to hold them to just seven points,
but that's a team against which the Bengals should play
well defensively. Can you throw water over that or on
(01:01):
top of that's gonna cynicism.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I think that what I liked from this game. Even
considering and understanding, yes, the Giants are not a top
end offense in this league, you still get examples where
Trey Hendrickson is able to go against a top tackle
in the league, and Andrew Thomas then create pressures and
get sacked, and then BJ Hill and Sheldon Rankins they look.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Stout on the inside. So I do think.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
That that can carry over a bit where even though
you're not.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Playing against the best competition. Look, the Browns offense is
not exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Lighting the world on fire. Maybe they're lighting it on
fire in a negative way a little bit, but you
start to feel a little bit better. Where we talked
the past few weeks about oh man, what are they
gonna do on the inside and run defense, Now you
get guys playing a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I do think that's a sign of better things to come.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Here's what I liked about it. I saw a defensive
line that was healthy, and I saw a defensive line. Look,
you and I have talked about Bengals need to put
more pressure on the quarterback Uh, but Trey Hendrickson needed help.
And the defensive line that I saw with McKinley Jackson,
with Sheldon Rankins and with bj Hill who was terrific
and Chris Jenkins, Like, all right, so maybe we're not
(02:06):
talking about a collection of superstars there, but players the
Bengals believed enough into pay or draft early. And so
what I saw was a defensive line capable of using
a lot of guys rotationally and providing help to Trey Hendrickson.
Can you speak to that?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, And having a rotation is such an important thing
in the league because you know your defensive linemen are
not gonna play every single stat I think one of
the advantages are is that offensive linemen have to take
every snap, but defensive guys, you're hopefully you're able to
cycle them out a little bit and when you go
to that second unit, which you're going to in some
of these games, and you can feel a little bit
more positive about it, that's a good thing. But really,
(02:45):
anything that can help tre Hendrickson out, whether it's you know,
you've got a good play on the opposite end as well,
and if you can force the offensive line to just
have to worry about other players just a little bit,
you can create really true one on ones where you
have Henderson who he can beat all pro players in
this league. And on the defensive side, sometimes you just
need one shut down playmaker.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
And when Henderson's.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Able to do it and the other defensive linemen are
able to continue to make him look better too, that
starts to become something where you know, we're not gonna
talk about this as a top ten defense, but a
defense that can shut the door when the Bengals offense
scores enough points.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, you know, and also like in basketball, we say, boy,
you know what, the offense looks great when the shots
are going. In a defense looks great when the tackles
are made, and you know that's a function to being
in the right position and taking the right angles and
all sort of that stuff. But as as much as
you know, we might love to dive into the to
the x's and o's, which are important, sometimes it's as
simple as guy catches it, you bring him to the ground,
(03:42):
or guy takes a hand off, you bring him to
the ground. And the Bengals haven't always been good at that.
This year, that's to me what stood down stood out
on Sunday night. They were good at making tackles.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, it's so important. It's absolutely a game of bosting
and tackle. We can draw whatever we want on the board.
We can make it look as fancy as you want.
At the end of the day, it is going to
end up in a one on one matchup where we
talk about, you know, Kee Higgins able to win those
on offense and then in space, can you make a tackle?
That was such a struggle over the first few weeks
(04:13):
and even just watching it. You know, we've talked a
few times about does the Bengals defense look slow.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
They did feel maybe just.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
A touch faster in this game, maybe playing a little
bit more confident, just having guys kind of meshing together,
and you know, you're gonna look, I think better overall
when you play.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
The Giants offense.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But if you can just continue to lower that mistackle percentage,
it makes the offenses life harder. When an offense then
you know, they start to get antsy, they want to
push the ball down the field and you're able to
stop those deep throws the way that the Bengals were
able to in this game.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know, now we're starting to talk about a good unit.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Sean Sayan is with his Sumer Sports Monday morning mash
up in the Stats and Schemes podcast. It was not
a great night for the Bengals offensively. How much of
that was a function of what New York was doing?
And did New York do things that if you're any
of the defenses the Bengals are gonna play subsequent in
that game on Sunday night, you can grab from Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I thought that the Giants made a comparted effort to
making sure two defensive acts were over Jamar Chase, whether
that's playing man coverage and having the safety also really
playing kind of an inside man coverage or just having
like kind of a zone cornerback in Chase's face and
the safety over the top.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So they really said, hey, go ahead and beat us
with Key Higgins.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And I think that Burrow did a good job of
finding Higgins as well as the offense moving Chase around.
And you know, I do feel like if you're comfortable
doing that on the defensive side, where the Giants played
a ton of light boxes, only six guys and really
daring the Bengals to run the ball or throw away
from Chase, I feel like that's a good approach on defense.
(05:47):
I do think, you know, not every defense is gonna
have one of the best defensive tackles in the entire league,
So I feel like that will be something just interesting
to monitor. But overall, I thought it was a good
plan by the Giants, and then you start to see
Burrow react to that with just more quick passes, where
he was twelve or twelve on quick passes in this game.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
You watch with a critical lie me watching in real time,
it just it felt to me like Joe kind of
uncharacteristically held the ball a little bit too long. He
even talked after the game about having some happy feet.
How much of the pressure the Giants were able to
put on him was a function of that. When you
watched it critically, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Do think that, you know, I think he's being honest
in that, and you can see that on film when
he was extending plays, you know, he certainly wasn't as
successfully he was seven for sixteen on.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Those plays that extended a little bit further.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And I mean the Giants were able to create pressure
with Dizzos Lai, they were able to create pressure with
Dexter Lawrence. I think that that is tying together the
situation where the Bengals want to throw the demarchase, but
the Giants have two defenders over him, and then you're
also kind of getting some pressure in your last particularly
from the inside.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I do you think all that ties together.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
But we see enough from from Burrow I think to
feel fine with them overall. I do think, you know,
on the outside on the tackles to get both tackles
get beat once. I think Nims was you know, uh
the time he got beat. It seemed like he was
kind of off on the snap count. To overall, I think,
you know, decent showings from there, but still a situation
where now you go against the Browns where Dalvin Thompson
(07:19):
just had a good game and you're gonna see Miles
Barrett line up inside and just team should find different
ways to line up and trying, you know, creat stunts
and mess with the Bengals offensive line.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Two forth Burrow to kind of have to pack the
ball a few times.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You you mentioned the Browns Deshaun Watson. It just it
hasn't worked. And I could recite for you any number
of stats that will illustrate why it hasn't worked, uh,
to the extent that you've watched him and that team critically,
give me an idea of why it just it is
so historically bad this season.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, it's it feels like it's a little bit of everything.
Like it seems like he's just you know, not playing
the position well at so many levels, whether it's how
he's seeing the defense, you know, how he's deciding to
make throws. I mean, he's holding the ball onto the
ball a little bit too long at times, just based
on the concept. At the same time, you know, they
don't have the most inspired offense. They of course just
traded away Amari Cooper. So now all right, you're going
(08:13):
to Jerry Judy as your bet kind of target. I
do think think trub might be coming back this week,
So that might be a situation where you know, the
Bengals we're going to.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Have to continue to tackle really really well.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But this overall and offensive unit that is largely non threatening,
and so if the Bengals have to face that two
times in a row, you know, you can't choose the schedule.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Right, Yeah, no question. All right, we'll talk to you
next Tuesday. Good stuff as always, Man, thanks so.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Much, appreciate it about functioning.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You got it Sean Saya, the Monday morning mashup column
for Summer Sports dot Com, and the Stats and Scheme
podcast is a must listen. Go find him and follow
him on x at say ed Schemes
Sean Sayed, a host of the Stats and Scheme podcast,
also the author of the Monday Morning Mashup column for
Sumer Sports, which you should read every single Monday, a
full rundown of everything that happened that mattered and some
stuff that didn't matter in the NFL. Bengals and Giants mattered,
at least to us. Maybe it mattered to Sean.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
How you doing, sir, mo, I'm doing great?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
You know, the second time we get to talk after
a win, certainly hope to.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Continue to get those going. And I would agree.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know, you play on Sunday night, you get a win,
you start rolling, You look at to the schedule. Maybe
you pull three more wins in a row before you
go ahead and play Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
That would be great. A cynic would look at Sunday
Night and say, well, the Giants didn't have Malik Neighbors,
they didn't have Devin single Terry. They're not a team
that was going to beat the Bengals downfield with a
bunch of explosive plays. Maybe it wasn't a given the
Bengals were going to hold them to just seven points,
but that's a team against which the Bengals should play
well defensively. Can you throw water over that or on
(01:01):
top of that's gonna cynicism.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I think that what I liked from this game. Even
considering and understanding, yes, the Giants are not a top
end offense in this league, you still get examples where
Trey Hendrickson is able to go against a top tackle
in the league, and Andrew Thomas then create pressures and
get sacked, and then BJ Hill and Sheldon Rankins they look.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Stout on the inside. So I do think.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
That that can carry over a bit where even though
you're not.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Playing against the best competition. Look, the Browns offense is
not exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Lighting the world on fire. Maybe they're lighting it on
fire in a negative way a little bit, but you
start to feel a little bit better. Where we talked
the past few weeks about oh man, what are they
gonna do on the inside and run defense, Now you
get guys playing a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I do think that's a sign of better things to come.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Here's what I liked about it. I saw a defensive
line that was healthy, and I saw a defensive line. Look,
you and I have talked about Bengals need to put
more pressure on the quarterback Uh, but Trey Hendrickson needed help.
And the defensive line that I saw with McKinley Jackson,
with Sheldon Rankins and with bj Hill who was terrific
and Chris Jenkins, Like, all right, so maybe we're not
(02:06):
talking about a collection of superstars there, but players the
Bengals believed enough into pay or draft early. And so
what I saw was a defensive line capable of using
a lot of guys rotationally and providing help to Trey Hendrickson.
Can you speak to that?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, And having a rotation is such an important thing
in the league because you know your defensive linemen are
not gonna play every single stat I think one of
the advantages are is that offensive linemen have to take
every snap, but defensive guys, you're hopefully you're able to
cycle them out a little bit and when you go
to that second unit, which you're going to in some
of these games, and you can feel a little bit
more positive about it, that's a good thing. But really,
(02:45):
anything that can help tre Hendrickson out, whether it's you know,
you've got a good play on the opposite end as well,
and if you can force the offensive line to just
have to worry about other players just a little bit,
you can create really true one on ones where you
have Henderson who he can beat all pro players in
this league. And on the defensive side, sometimes you just
need one shut down playmaker.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
And when Henderson's.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Able to do it and the other defensive linemen are
able to continue to make him look better too, that
starts to become something where you know, we're not gonna
talk about this as a top ten defense, but a
defense that can shut the door when the Bengals offense
scores enough points.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, you know, and also like in basketball, we say, boy,
you know what, the offense looks great when the shots
are going. In a defense looks great when the tackles
are made, and you know that's a function to being
in the right position and taking the right angles and
all sort of that stuff. But as as much as
you know, we might love to dive into the to
the x's and o's, which are important, sometimes it's as
simple as guy catches it, you bring him to the ground,
(03:42):
or guy takes a hand off, you bring him to
the ground. And the Bengals haven't always been good at that.
This year, that's to me what stood down stood out
on Sunday night. They were good at making tackles.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, it's so important. It's absolutely a game of bosting
and tackle. We can draw whatever we want on the board.
We can make it look as fancy as you want.
At the end of the day, it is going to
end up in a one on one matchup where we
talk about, you know, Kee Higgins able to win those
on offense and then in space, can you make a tackle?
That was such a struggle over the first few weeks
(04:13):
and even just watching it. You know, we've talked a
few times about does the Bengals defense look slow.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
They did feel maybe just.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
A touch faster in this game, maybe playing a little
bit more confident, just having guys kind of meshing together,
and you know, you're gonna look, I think better overall
when you play.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
The Giants offense.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But if you can just continue to lower that mistackle percentage,
it makes the offenses life harder. When an offense then
you know, they start to get antsy, they want to
push the ball down the field and you're able to
stop those deep throws the way that the Bengals were
able to in this game.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know, now we're starting to talk about a good unit.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Sean Sayan is with his Sumer Sports Monday morning mash
up in the Stats and Schemes podcast. It was not
a great night for the Bengals offensively. How much of
that was a function of what New York was doing?
And did New York do things that if you're any
of the defenses the Bengals are gonna play subsequent in
that game on Sunday night, you can grab from Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I thought that the Giants made a comparted effort to
making sure two defensive acts were over Jamar Chase, whether
that's playing man coverage and having the safety also really
playing kind of an inside man coverage or just having
like kind of a zone cornerback in Chase's face and
the safety over the top.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So they really said, hey, go ahead and beat us
with Key Higgins.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And I think that Burrow did a good job of
finding Higgins as well as the offense moving Chase around.
And you know, I do feel like if you're comfortable
doing that on the defensive side, where the Giants played
a ton of light boxes, only six guys and really
daring the Bengals to run the ball or throw away
from Chase, I feel like that's a good approach on defense.
(05:47):
I do think, you know, not every defense is gonna
have one of the best defensive tackles in the entire league,
So I feel like that will be something just interesting
to monitor. But overall, I thought it was a good
plan by the Giants, and then you start to see
Burrow react to that with just more quick passes, where
he was twelve or twelve on quick passes in this game.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
You watch with a critical lie me watching in real time,
it just it felt to me like Joe kind of
uncharacteristically held the ball a little bit too long. He
even talked after the game about having some happy feet.
How much of the pressure the Giants were able to
put on him was a function of that. When you
watched it critically, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Do think that, you know, I think he's being honest
in that, and you can see that on film when
he was extending plays, you know, he certainly wasn't as
successfully he was seven for sixteen on.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Those plays that extended a little bit further.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And I mean the Giants were able to create pressure
with Dizzos Lai, they were able to create pressure with
Dexter Lawrence. I think that that is tying together the
situation where the Bengals want to throw the demarchase, but
the Giants have two defenders over him, and then you're
also kind of getting some pressure in your last particularly
from the inside.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I do you think all that ties together.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
But we see enough from from Burrow I think to
feel fine with them overall. I do think, you know,
on the outside on the tackles to get both tackles
get beat once. I think Nims was you know, uh
the time he got beat. It seemed like he was
kind of off on the snap count. To overall, I think,
you know, decent showings from there, but still a situation
where now you go against the Browns where Dalvin Thompson
(07:19):
just had a good game and you're gonna see Miles
Barrett line up inside and just team should find different
ways to line up and trying, you know, creat stunts
and mess with the Bengals offensive line.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Two forth Burrow to kind of have to pack the
ball a few times.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You you mentioned the Browns Deshaun Watson. It just it
hasn't worked. And I could recite for you any number
of stats that will illustrate why it hasn't worked, uh,
to the extent that you've watched him and that team critically,
give me an idea of why it just it is
so historically bad this season.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, it's it feels like it's a little bit of everything.
Like it seems like he's just you know, not playing
the position well at so many levels, whether it's how
he's seeing the defense, you know, how he's deciding to
make throws. I mean, he's holding the ball onto the
ball a little bit too long at times, just based
on the concept. At the same time, you know, they
don't have the most inspired offense. They of course just
traded away Amari Cooper. So now all right, you're going
(08:13):
to Jerry Judy as your bet kind of target. I
do think think trub might be coming back this week,
So that might be a situation where you know, the
Bengals we're going to.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Have to continue to tackle really really well.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But this overall and offensive unit that is largely non threatening,
and so if the Bengals have to face that two
times in a row, you know, you can't choose the schedule.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Right, Yeah, no question. All right, we'll talk to you
next Tuesday. Good stuff as always, Man, thanks so.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Much, appreciate it about functioning.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You got it Sean Saya, the Monday morning mashup column
for Summer Sports dot Com, and the Stats and Scheme
podcast is a must listen. Go find him and follow
him on x at say ed Schemes
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