October 21, 2025 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Oh, here we go. What's up. It's five minutes after
three o'clock.
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All is right in the world. Gorgeous outside. This is
ESPN fifteen thirty and we're at Oakley Greens.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Paul Danner Junior is here with me at Oakley Greens.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
We I have a deep appreciation now for one o'clock
Sunday games, the Mondays and Thursdays.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
They just they.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Throw off the equilibrium, They throw off my schedule, they
throw off my timing. And even if you get like
an iconic Thursday night game, which I'm calling Thursday Night's
game iconic, there's still the rhythm and routine of being
here on Tuesday and Paul being here on Tuesday. You
know how much we love Oakley Greens. We are pseudo outdoors.
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Speaker 1 (01:29):
Paul Danner Junior's here.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
How is it going. It's going great, Mo, It's good
to be here. My kids are coming up here a
little bit, are they.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I think they're gonna come up here after the show
and hang out. They were a famous opportunity to run around,
get some player on time in awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
They love it up here. I feel like I haven't
seen you like a month. I know, it's been such
a mess.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I don't feel right, I said to you, you know,
I just I was so knocked out the green Bay
late window and we of course did the like drive.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Everybody's attempt to get back from.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Green Bay was either late or weird flights, or we
just drove through the night. And then you get that
right into this like Thursday game and we're there. I
mean we left the stadium, Jay and I left it
like three fifteen or something really Friday morning, and then
there was a morning availability. The locker room was open
at eleven thirty, which fun.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I was there. Yeah, but you h, I don't know
how much I was doing, but like I was there.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's just you just you just appreciate what we have
now in front of us, which is back to back
home games at one o'clock and a bye week after that,
and hopefully we can get a little bit recalibrated. It's
just been all over And then you throw that in
with like everything's been a mess.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
The flag situation, yes, been weird.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You just everything has spelt dude's getting benched, dude's getting
benched all over the place.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And so yeah, I mean we were sort of talking with.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Dan Pitcher yesterday and and I was asking questions about
taking a and now recognizing what you now can do
with Joe Flacco that maybe you hadn't thought of because
it's just been chaos. Yeah, before you have time to
have like a critical thought, you had to how do
I get through this day thoughts for that long? And
I feel like that wasn't just for him, that was
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kind of for all of us. Everyone take a breath
now and let's recalibrate this season.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
But to me, that's the beauty of Joe Flacco because
watching him, you didn't get chaos.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
No, I was talking about this last week here that
in the green Bay game, which I think they won
that game against Pittsburgh in green Bay because they got
some stuff done in the second half, and you know,
you get accused of, oh, it's a moral victory hunt. No, like,
these guys got to get on the same page. They
use that game to get on the same page. And
the payoff was against Pittsburgh. But there was there was
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so much going on in that first game. You know,
they weren't getting to play in late. The whole operation
was clean. There wasn't that clunkiness that we have, unfortunately
so often come to identify the Bengals offense with, and
that continued against Pittsburgh. And so to me, like during
the middle of what has been a very chaotic stretch
for this organization, Joe Flacco didn't look like he was
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suffering from chaos.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
No.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
They brought in the King of Calm, you know, I mean,
it's his ability to just come in and be like, Okay,
this is I'm over two hundred professional games, guys, I
know what I know what we do next. And even
when maybe he didn't always know what they supposed to
do next, I thought it was you know. One of
the more interesting things that kind of got blown by
was him talking about, look, I yeah, getting the getting
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in and out of the huddle he was worried about
and trying to make that happen. And he's like, but really,
the calm for me is when I stepped to the
line and just play football. Yeah, Like, that's not That's
the easy part, right to me that He's like, the
things that I worry about are the plays and the
language and making sure we get the right thing in
and I'm hearing everything right and know what it means.
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He's like, but once I get up to the to
do the play, like then it's all comfortable. He's like,
I wasn't worried about that, And that was before Green Bay.
And I think there's a calm and confidence in that
that you feel from the rest of the teammates that
are like, and it's backed up when it looks like
it has the last six quarters that that Yeah, he would,
no matter what, no matter what's going on in this game,
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He's gonna go out there and when he steps in
the ball snapped, he knows exactly what he's trying to
do and he's gonna do it efficiently. And that gives
everybody a belief that everything's gonna be fine for a while.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
It's remarkable that this is where we are. This team's
defense has stunk all season. They just had a four
game losing streak. The quarterback is Joe Flacco on like
his six team in five years. And yet and yet
I spent some time today sort of drawing out the
roadmap to the postseason, which I think is very real.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, I mean if you look at who they play,
I mean, their schedule has I mean that was I
think that was part of the impetus behind trade for
Joe Flacco. Now like there is an opportunity here. The
AFC is not strong, our schedule is not strong. We
can get this thing to a certain level.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
AFC North isn't strong.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The AFC North now is wide open, which goes back
to what we talked about last week in the with
the two pronged plan of Joe Flacco immediately the starter,
do not hesitate essentially turned Green Bay into a glorified
preseason game that that gets you prepared for Thursday, and
hope that that combination gets you that win, because that
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is the one that has opened up everything. It has
brought Pittsburgh back to life. It has put I mean,
I think doubt that you thought maybe existed in Pittsburgh
as a team out there. Yeah, and you're just sitting
right here and you look at where they're at, and
there's a good chance, maybe you'd say fifty sixty seventy
(06:55):
percent chance that the next time you go to Pittsburgh
you're playing for first place in some capacity. The Steelers
have three really tough games in front of them. The
Bengals should be able to beat the Jets on and
what's gonna happen against Chicago. But either way, you're sitting
there with a chance to get the tiebreaker for good
and be right there either on their heels or tied
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with them at that point. And that's just you know,
five weeks from trading for Joe Flacco and it looking like,
let's be honest, this season was over.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yes, they were dead in the water.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
They had a terrible defense, a terrible offense. It was
a new level of futility every single week of how
bad could it possibly get? And now you have a
little bit of hope. I mean, there's still the funny
thing that, you know, Jay and I.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Were talking about this from the pod today, is like.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
With everything that has happened, you sit here today exactly
where you thought we'd be.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
We think the offense is pretty good, and I don't
know if the defense is gonna be good enough to
get you there.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
It's like, this is exactly It's in no way imaginable
how you thought you'd get there, But we have arrived
at this point in the season where you kind of
thought you might.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Is the question is still the same. Can this defense
get to average?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Can it be enough to get you a stop when
you need one in the end of the game, you know,
and not let up a sixty eight yard touchdown pass
where a guy is just running wide open down the
middle of the field. We don't, you know right now? No,
right now, no, But it has to get better. That's
gonna end up deciding the fate of this team, more
so than everything that's been going on and obviously rightfully
(08:38):
publicized at the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I think unfortunately, though, the answer is no about the
defense because the sample size is large now. And you
know I said this on the Growler with You and
Jay today. My concern all off season was can you
get stops when you need it? Okay, statistically they're not
going to be great, you can't be awful. But when
the game is hanging in the balance, or what it's
(09:02):
on the verge of slipping away, or when you have
a chance.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
To ice it, can you get a stop?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And against Pittsburgh the answer was no, And against Detroit
the answer was no, And against green Bay in the
second half, the answer was no. And the answer hasn't
really been yes all season long, And so I hate
to do it because everybody's excited, and the story of
Joe Flacco coming to Cincinnati and being a quick enough
(09:30):
study to play competently against green Bay and then play
very well against Pittsburgh is a really fun story. But
then there's the cold water of watching my friend Gino
Stone try to chase down Pat fryermanth And there's the
story of a defense where we're benching Cam Taylor britt
he's an active he's not even active for the game,
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and we're plugging in Barrett Carter instead of Logan Wilson,
and we're just we're watching Schamar Stewart not do anything,
and we're watching Miles Murphy not do anything, and we're
seeing Al Golden just try to throw stuff against the
wall that sticks. Like, in many respects, this is worst
case and this is the story if they lose that
game on Thursday without a doubt on top of maybe
(10:12):
you know, who are they gonna unload it?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
The deadline and all of that. And so the answer
is no.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And as as much as nobody wants to hear that,
how do you conclude otherwise when you watch seven games
worth of this defense.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So much of what's happening is grasping.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
It just desperation, grasps at straws. Yeah, it's it's just
I don't know. Everybody literally the answer has been, well,
I don't know. Maybe it'll look different. I mean there's
not even like with the with the Bear Carter Logan
Wilson thing.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I don't know. Maybe maybe he'll give us a spark. Yeah,
maybe it'll look different, like just try.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
But the point is, I think there's a recognition that
whoever else comes in, and so these young guys is
their only legit hope that maybe these draft picks that
they picked can, by the time you reach whatever November
or December, be able to start having enough experience that
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they come into their own and give some life to
the defense, because it's apparent that the same problems exist
that have for the last two years. New coordinators, same problems,
and that is your older players are getting worse and
your younger players are not filling in and getting in
and taking the over those roles. Like it's fine for
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older players to not play at the same level. That's
part of the bets you have with all these young players.
And you know you brought back bj Hill and you're
holding on the logan Wilson and and.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
All that stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Okay, fine, as long as you are young players that
you put to bubble up underneath them to push them
and eventually, yes, push them out the door, force them
out the door. By the way that they're playing and
it's desperation and the doors open.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Can you walk through it?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
There's no like real sense that this is any of
this is really working. And I went through and it
was gonna be rough. Early in the season. The hope
was that by the time you got to this point,
you would start to see it trending the right direction
a little bit. It's getting worse the last two weeks.
It has gotten worse. The competition level. You know, when
(12:27):
you went from golf to love to now you know,
what Pittsburgh's doing with Rogers was certainly more challenging than
what they had before this. But it has gotten worse.
And that's the concern, is that that's happening. And I
went through and looked and just one I was just curious.
I filtered out sort of the first seven games of
a season for Bengals teams going back to two thousand,
(12:48):
I was blown away. They were the worst this defense
has ever been since two thousand through seven games in
like almost every major category, points per drive, touchdown, per
drive rate, EPA, per play success percentage, all of it
as bad as they've had a start to a season.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And you know, there, that's just such a steep hilt. Yeah,
at this.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Point, and you'd feel better if you felt like you saw, okay,
incremental one stop here in this particular moment in a
game or a better quarter. It's just it feels like
you're gonna be fighting these issues for a while with
young players where there's no track record in this league
that like young players immediately just that go from not
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picking it up to snap pick it up.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah. Now, the exception to all of this is DJ
Turner obviously, and we're gonna have to talk about him
when we come back. Let's do it.
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We're hanging out of the outdoor bar.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Which they've they've closed up a little bit because it
has gotten cooler since we first started posting up here
in August. But you can rent a cabana. It is
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to rent a cabana for myself to just basically spend
a night, let's say, from like six o'clock until close,
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or I just sit in that cabana by myself and
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I might do it today, I don't know.
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adult parties, children's parties too.
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You and your buddies to watch football whatever it is.
Rent a cabana by yourself, by myself.
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Is anybody else welcome just to come hang out or
join you? Or is there like do you put like
some tape around the outside.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Stand there and cross stand there and watch me sit
in that cabana by myself?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, like like an animal and a zoo. Yeah, it's great,
watch mod Can we come in? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I rented it, not you, Drew. I invite you know
some people. So yeah, I don't know if I want
to come hang out and be looked at like I
have an animate Okay, fine, then I'll rent the command
in and invite my closest friends there.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You go, very good. DJ Turner is good. Yeah, really good.
Like we can put him on the list of guys
I want to be on the team next year. There's
one okay.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
On the defense, I uh, I mean I get it
to you know, if you're starting a defense, you want
to start with a number one corner, the real shutdown corner,
and a top edge dresher. At least they have those
two things. They don't have the other nine right where
they want him to be right, they got those two.
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That's a good place to start with the current team.
But I feel like DJ Turner's ascension has happened pretty quickly,
incredibly quickly. Who's been You're not not exactly a rookie. Yeah,
So I wanted to do the story on DJ Turner
after his big interception, but not just the interception. That
really the way he's played all year. A big game
(17:12):
against DK metcalf the other day. You know, a guy
that he's not built to necessarily travel with and be
able to shut down that. The knock on DJ coming
out is that he's he's more slight, He's just a
speed guy. You were thought that maybe bigger guys could
bully him. So here he was traveling with mister physical
in terms of physical receiver and bullying him to one
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of DJ's best plays and one of the game changing
plays of the game with that interception. But he's been
playing great all season.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And you know it's.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Funny because he got Zach Taylor told us the story
about how he got called it. DJ got called into
his office before the opener against the Browns and he said,
I had to tell him that he's not going to
start the opener. You know that he had been in
this battle in camp, and it was like, Okay, who's
gonna play. There's a bunch of different options, and you
never know how those are gonna go. Like a lot
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of times they go real poorly and you end up
like you're you know, you're everybody has this person in
their office who's like always they're they're at the they're
at the in the break room telling everybody about the
business and how they're getting screwed and and sort of
sowing that negativity that's actually me. Oh yeah, well so
you know what I'm talking about. That DJ said, bet,
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I'm getting the job back. I'm getting the job back.
And there was this It lit some sort of spark
in DJ Turner that already kind of existed.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
But next thing, you know, he was doing.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Everything right, every every detail, understanding that this is his opportunity.
And whether it's that conversation, whether it's it's you know
the fact that he wasn't the starter, whether it was
just the whole way that camp went, whatever it was,
it set something off that they're like, he is, he's
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engaged at an elite level. He is doing every three
he has become this now example that they're holding up
here to everybody in the building, specifically on defense, to
be like, no matter what kind of news you get,
you know, it's almost like they were speaking directly to
Cam Taylor brit at the same time. Whether you are
told you're getting benched, whether we're scaling back, you're playing time,
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whatever it is, look at this.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You can hear that news.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
And seven weeks later, you're not just the best cornerback
on this team. You might be playing like the best
one in the league right now. Yeah, Like he's playing
at such a high level because he has decided this
level of prep and focus is going to be a
huge part of himself and his routine. And then the
confidence shows up. You know, the Jacksonville game was a
big turning point for him where he has a big play,
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he's just right there every time he's starting to see it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You see the confidence build.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Next thing, you know, he's flexing in Jordan Love's face
after helping create that pick in Green Bay. So you
you have all of that building up, and now you've
got this guy who's who's playing like the guy they
hoped that they drafted.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Charlie Goldsmith just walked in. That's right, Charlie Goldsmith's here. Wow,
Charlie not gonna hang out right, We'll get done talking
to you. It's unbelievable, is it.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, I think the listeners would be well served if
I just gave my headset to Charlie for the next
thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
But it's true, you know, I think he wants to work.
He could definitely offer thoughts on DJ. Here's the thing.
You spent forty five minutes breaking down DJ Turner Ta,
you're gonna hang out with him when you're done here
at four. Yeah. Between now and then he will crank
out two newsletters better than anything that I've read.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Like he's gonna write fourteen paragraphs on the reds catching
problem for next year, and then he's gonna be breaking
down the kicking operation. Why Ryan Rico brings a driver
to a three A par three? You know, I mean,
it's just gonna be that's what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
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Speaker 3 (20:57):
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Speaker 1 (22:06):
There are no headlines. There's nothing really going on right,
not really. It's good. It's good. Could use some some calm, yeah.
Can the Bengals acquire some help at the trade deadline?
Can they? Yeah? I guess they can? Should they?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I mean, I think anyone else that could rush the
pastor would probably be welcome at this point.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I don't know, would you what do I acquire help
at the deadline? Yeah? How much?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
What would you be be willing to part I mean
I see the interest.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yes, I understand, would be willing to give up? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
What?
Speaker 4 (22:43):
And then to me like I I I appreciate these questions.
I I understand, Like it's like, should they Yeah, there's
a lot of things that the team should do that
they're just not going to do though, like this, they
made their trade. Now I could be wrong in this.
Maybe maybe they're just like man one pass rusher away
or an experienced veteran linebacker that could come in and
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help out these young kids. Or maybe there's injuries that happened.
I feel like that's usually where you see another move happen.
But they've already parted ways with some draft capital from
next year, so that's that's gonna make them less likely
to do it. They're not a team that's one trade
deadline piece away.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I think it would be a matter.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Of we can't function the rest of the year, which
is similar to how the Khalil Herbert thing happened last
year with the injuries at running back was Zach Moss to.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Me, and I forgot about him. It happens like that,
right immediately forgot about he was here. He was he
was here.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
He fumbled his first rushing attempt, So they played Chase.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Brown one hundred percent of steps. But you you.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Can do that, so that But I think that's the
way that it happens, like, I don't. I don't think
that you're looking at some they're gonna be like, you
know what, let's let's go for it, right. I know
people want that. I know that a lot of teams
operate that way. And I I'm not like saying a
name it's right or wrong. I'm just saying the likelihood
of them going out and acquiring somebody.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It's just I don't necessarily see it at this point.
Don't get my hopes up. Is what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
No, in the same way that we hear all about oh,
Trey Hendrickson right, like they're not going to.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Trade him now, name me, no, name me.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
The last time they traded away a player who could
help them win games this year at the deadline, And
I'm not counting Carson Palmer, Carlos Dunloe, who Napalm their
way out of town.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay, never Yeah, even in years they were talking about
this on the pod today, Even in years where it's
been extraordinarily dire, like Zach's first season at the deadline
they were zero to eight.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
They just played in London. They didn't trade any so
didn't trade. In years where it has been more they
had guys that agent degree.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
You know, I can sure calling and I'm just saying
like that, And that's one example.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
M h.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I mean, they just it's just it's just very very rare. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I asked you last week about the Logan Wilson situation.
Logan Wilson still played like forty six percent of the snaps.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, especially against teams where they're gonna be in base
a lot with three linebackers.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
He was like he was being talked about as if
he was never gonna play football again, but he still
played a fair amount. That said, what they did was significant.
I got to a place last week, and this is
after talking to you. I got to a place last
week where I was kind of okay with it because
you're gonna draft these guys. You acknowledge we need an
instant impact. We need instant impact from our draft picks. Well,
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you don't get that if the guy's not playing as
much as possible, and if there is some sort of
later this year benefit to a guy like Barrett Carter
experiencing some growing pains in the middle of it. Defense
the top to bottom just isn't very good. I'm kind
of okay with that.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, I'm not okay with all the mistackles, sure, And
I just feel like you have a more shore tackler
in Logan Wilson right now. This is not saying that
you can't eventually end up or figure out, like to
me it was, it's more of like, yeah, he's playing
whatever whatever that percentage and yeah, you know that's fine,
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but that's still I want a more shore tackler out
there the majority of the time right now.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Like that's just with what is.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Happening, with the level of play that you're getting. The
mistackles are just killing them and it can be the
difference between the one stop right that you can have
and I just it just seemed a little that's where
the difference could be between Logan Wilson and Barrett Carter.
But I understand the like anything else, at some point,
if we're ever gonna be good. It's probably gonna have
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to be because maybe Barrett Carter becomes a guy. But then,
you know, I think Demetrius Knight has played where when
Barrett Carter has been out there, how much was he
helped by the veteran pass next to him? So is
that a part of what's happening there or is that circumstantial?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I don't know. Not paid to figure those answers out necessarily,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
I can just tell you what I've seen, and I
know the last two weeks, when they've not really had
Logan Wilson, we have seen a substantial drop off in
miss tackles and from the play in general, from both linebackers,
not just one.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
All of that is very valid.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I guess the way I looked at it is the
Bengals have a bad defense. If they're gonna get better,
you gotta find solutions somewhere. They're not gonna suddenly acquire
a bunch of dudes. There aren't some dbs waiting in
the offing, Like, all right, let's try Barrett Carter. And
if part of the growing pains is he misses some tackles, okay, well,
our defense stinks anyway, and they don't stink because of
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Logan Wilson. It's just if you're gonna try something new.
Linebacker to me is just automatically where you look. Because
they did draft Barret Carter. They're clearly in just play
the kids mode.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Mean, it's just look, every draft picks out here playing
every draft pick except for Shamar Stewart and.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Kind of got pulled back a little bit.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
But but you know, but they're all they're all out
there and they're just saying, look, at some point, we
have to turn this roster over with new life.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
New energy, build a new core, all of that stuff.
And they're doing that. They're doing that everywhere, and so
I get the move.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
I get the feeling that that's part of this broader
thing that they're doing. I'm not again, I just feel
like there's a chance, and hell, it could have been
that game Thursday, that that move could cost you a
game or two right now when you desperately needed it
to hang on to what to where you're currently at,
and you do have a lot of season left to
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get those guys in there.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I see both sides.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
It's it's a terrible thing to have to ask, you know,
when you're in such a dire situation defensively that you're like, well,
let's should we just play a rookie even though this
guy's fine, because we just need anything else to start
to bubble up.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I mean, it's a tough spot to be in. There's
no right answer necessarily.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I was at Kroger yesterday morning and the kid, probably
the guy in his twenties, but there was a young
man collecting all the shopping carts, and the shopping cart
that's designed for kids that kind of is modeled like
a car got away and he went to go corral it,
and then two other shopping carts got away, and this
(29:30):
guy has these three shopping carts kind of coming at
him as co worker. And it reminded me of Gino
Stone in the secondary because this guy was lost, he
didn't know what shopping cart to go after.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
The one shopping cart kind of fell over.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, and I'm like, all right, when I got two
other decisions to make, that one's going to go hit
a car, and it did, and instead he just let
the one that was kind of coming right at him
kind of almost knock him over. This was like watching
Geno Stone. I am running out of things to compare.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Geno Stone too.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
But shopping cart kid at the dent Kroger yesterday was
made me think of Geno.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I've compared him to my dog. You did compare him
to your dog.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I was gonna ask you, has your dog's angles improved
more so than we've My dog has.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Gotten better than than Geno Stone. I think I compared
him to I watched a drunk girl chase down a
lift downtown after the lift had gone a block too far.
So I was asked today and I don't have the answer.
How bad of the guys behind him?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, I mean apparently apparently very.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I mean I don't I don't have answers.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I mean, this is it's it's something that we keep saying, right,
It's like, it's not like we weren't talking about this
in February, Right, It's not like we weren't talking about
this when you guys said we believe in you, but
here's your pay cut?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Like, yes, this has been the conversation the entire time.
It's just not taking.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I don't have any explanation for the sixty eight yard
touchdown pass.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I can Geno Stone is on the field.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Then I don't understand how that, you know, if if
you're gonna be out here saying I don't know anything
else about Logan Wilson, how are you not saying I
don't know anything else about if you play Logan Wilson
in safety, Maybe that's the answer. Maybe Barrett Carter moves
the safe. Fine, yeah, maybe we I don't know. Maybe
it's PJ Jewles.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
How bad are Tyson Anderson and Dejon Anthony? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I mean, well Dejon is still not on the club,
by the way, so but yeah, I think this would
be about I don't know, can Tyson Anderson play some
defense for you? I think to you at a certain point,
it's it's not like you're like, well, you know, you know,
Gino is such a good tackler that you don't want
to take him off the field. It's not that you're
not seeing these problems in a massive moment like what
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happened in the Friarmith play, just not even seeing the
guy running down the middle of the field.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I don't I don't have an answer.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
For you on that one, other than they're clearly just knowledge.
They think he's either better than we think he is,
or they just have zero belief in anything. Happening behind them,
and in which case it's like, well, then you do
need to be looking around at the trade deadline and
making some calls the same things that we said when
we talked about the starting level and the depth level
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all off season.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
They watched the films of the games after they are played, right,
I heard that. Yeah, And they sit in this room
and there's Geno Stone and they're like, yeah, we can
just correct the technique and we'll be okay. Like, I
don't want to pick on the guy, but good god,
twenty two.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
What are we doing. It's and this is a second year,
it's second system. He's in the sixth NFL season. Yeah,
I don't I don't know what to do.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I just think you just watch the grocery carts crash
into the car and you just say, well, that's unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Like I'm gonna want I'm gonna go to the game
on Sunday against the Jets and spend half of it
thinking of other things I've seen in my every day
life that I can compare Geno Stone to.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
And this is getting exhausting. It's not that hard.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It's just whenever you see somebody or something that's lost
it's I mean, it's like they're.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
They're everywhere, They're all around us.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Oh oh yeah, yeah, there's there's there's no there's no
denying that the offensive line they put Jalen Rivers in, right,
is this unit actually progressing? Are they being masked by
how quickly Joe Flacco has got rid of the ball?
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I think it's more of being masked by how quickly
Joe Flacco is getting getting rid of the ball. I mean,
he was two point twenty seven seconds time to throw
against Pittsburgh, which was a top ten for Flacco all times,
and they've been tracking that. So even by Flacco standards,
that was really fast getting the ball out. They're out,
they're executing that plan. Ideally, it doesn't expose your players.
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It's sort of like a couple weeks ago when we
talked when when I had the story of talking with Andrew.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Whitworth and we talked about that, that's who saying. See,
it's so hard.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's the hardest gig in the NFL in terms of
offensive line to block in Cincinnati because of the way
that things are constructed, the past heavy nature, the true
pass sets they're by just the plays that they're running
quick game on the more under center, a little bit
more play action. Some of that stuff that they're just
doing a little bit more often is lessening the amount
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of true pass sets where guys have to block for
a little bit longer.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
And yeah, guys look better when they're in a little
bit better situation in terms of the what they're asked
to do every time. And I do think they have
played better.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
I do think they've they've stabilized a little bit there,
but it's still, you know, you still have a lot
of the same stuff going on, but it's just not
as obvious. And that's just the way they need to be, Like,
that's what they need to be offensively. It helps when
you're not in bad down and distance. Look, getting the
running game going against Pittsburgh was a game changer. Like
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if that can continue, it keeps them out of the
you know, earlier this season they run all of the
second and third and long situations and those guys are
just not going to.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Be able to hold up like that.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Very few linemen kN and you're just asking a lot.
But the fact that they've been able to stay in
front of the sticks really by Flacco getting out quick,
making the profit getting your to second and seven or
six instead of second and ten or second and twelve
or whatever, like, it makes all the difference in the
world that you're making it easier on these guys. So
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Flacco's ability to continually find something and get rid of
the ball and get something out of every play, even
if it's not exciting, has allowed life to be a
lot easier on those guys in front of them.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Then they're running the ball.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
And they found it actually well, I made it sound
like they've been doing it for weeks. They ran it
really well, ran really well, and you saw you saw
shades of it against Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, you saw climbers. It was starting to happen a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
And then when they finally broke it out the other day,
it seemed like, okay, now they might be onto a
little bit of something. And you know, the energy, the
energy picks up. I mean, when you go from the
long of the year being thirteen and then you actually
watch a twenty eight and a thirty seven yarder breakout,
it's like watching a different sport. Yeah, and so yeah,
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it'll it'll change things for you. And the cool thing
was they were talking about how much it opened up
a lot of other stuff where they can felt like
they could call more runs with pass tags on them.
So I feel like you're looking like you're about to
make fun of this. It's like a run. I'm about
to tell you. I'm about to tell you. So if
you put if you put a tag onto the end
(36:38):
of the play call, that says, okay, tag this if
you want, if Flacco wants to pull the ball and
throw it, you will put Jamar on a route rather
than have it just be a run play or just
be a pass player. Right, Jamar's touchdown was a tag. Really,
that was a run play called that Flacco decided, I
don't like the run as much Jamar's running in the pylon.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I'm gonna throw the ball out there to them.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
And they can do that more often when they're in
better situations in terms of UH, in terms of down
and distance, or just the run games going good enough
that you can call those and know that you can
have a tag for a pass on the back end
of the play call, which Flacco just hears and just
belts it out and decides to make the play, which
is another kind of kudos to Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Moment there past tags, pastags.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
I mean that's what I'm calling them. I mean that's
what that's how it was referenced by pitch pasts.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, we're good, all right. I got a problem with that.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, okay, good, But I know I didn't want to
turn on a thing or it turns into like three
years of you making fun of run fits.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Oh, that's gonna be more than three years. But we're
going on three years. That's that's that's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
On.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I haven't heard about run fits. You probably will, Oh,
I'm I'm sure. Yeah, as long as the composition of
the defense reins run fits, crack or place, that's a
good one.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
All right, you and Charlie can go talk about that.
Thank you as always. We'll see you next week. Read
Paul Danner Junior at the Athletic dot com. You could
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
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ESPN fifteen thirty and we're at Oakley Greens.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Paul Danner Junior is here with me at Oakley Greens.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
We I have a deep appreciation now for one o'clock
Sunday games, the Mondays and Thursdays.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
They just they.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Throw off the equilibrium, They throw off my schedule, they
throw off my timing. And even if you get like
an iconic Thursday night game, which I'm calling Thursday Night's
game iconic, there's still the rhythm and routine of being
here on Tuesday and Paul being here on Tuesday. You
know how much we love Oakley Greens. We are pseudo outdoors.
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We've got the outdoor Bar, the indoor bar, an unbelievable
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watch parties for Bengo on Mondays and Thursdays for nationally
televised games. Great place to bring your dog, fun plays
to bring your kids. They've got some Halloween theme stuff
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coming up. We have two gigantic skeletons just outside. One
of them looks like he's in the tackling position that
Logan Wilson tries to make. Or maybe Barrett Carter, I'm
not sure, but anyway, we're here at Oakley Greens having fun.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Paul Danner Junior's here.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
How is it going. It's going great, Mo, It's good
to be here. My kids are coming up here a
little bit, are they.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I think they're gonna come up here after the show
and hang out. They were a famous opportunity to run around,
get some player on time in awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
They love it up here. I feel like I haven't
seen you like a month. I know, it's been such
a mess.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I don't feel right, I said to you, you know,
I just I was so knocked out the green Bay
late window and we of course did the like drive.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Everybody's attempt to get back from.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Green Bay was either late or weird flights, or we
just drove through the night. And then you get that
right into this like Thursday game and we're there. I
mean we left the stadium, Jay and I left it
like three fifteen or something really Friday morning, and then
there was a morning availability. The locker room was open
at eleven thirty, which fun.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I was there. Yeah, but you h, I don't know
how much I was doing, but like I was there.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's just you just you just appreciate what we have
now in front of us, which is back to back
home games at one o'clock and a bye week after that,
and hopefully we can get a little bit recalibrated. It's
just been all over And then you throw that in
with like everything's been a mess.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
The flag situation, yes, been weird.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You just everything has spelt dude's getting benched, dude's getting
benched all over the place.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And so yeah, I mean we were sort of talking with.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Dan Pitcher yesterday and and I was asking questions about
taking a and now recognizing what you now can do
with Joe Flacco that maybe you hadn't thought of because
it's just been chaos. Yeah, before you have time to
have like a critical thought, you had to how do
I get through this day thoughts for that long? And
I feel like that wasn't just for him, that was
(03:16):
kind of for all of us. Everyone take a breath
now and let's recalibrate this season.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
But to me, that's the beauty of Joe Flacco because
watching him, you didn't get chaos.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
No, I was talking about this last week here that
in the green Bay game, which I think they won
that game against Pittsburgh in green Bay because they got
some stuff done in the second half, and you know,
you get accused of, oh, it's a moral victory hunt. No, like,
these guys got to get on the same page. They
use that game to get on the same page. And
the payoff was against Pittsburgh. But there was there was
(03:49):
so much going on in that first game. You know,
they weren't getting to play in late. The whole operation
was clean. There wasn't that clunkiness that we have, unfortunately
so often come to identify the Bengals offense with, and
that continued against Pittsburgh. And so to me, like during
the middle of what has been a very chaotic stretch
for this organization, Joe Flacco didn't look like he was
(04:11):
suffering from chaos.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
No.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
They brought in the King of Calm, you know, I mean,
it's his ability to just come in and be like, Okay,
this is I'm over two hundred professional games, guys, I
know what I know what we do next. And even
when maybe he didn't always know what they supposed to
do next, I thought it was you know. One of
the more interesting things that kind of got blown by
was him talking about, look, I yeah, getting the getting
(04:36):
in and out of the huddle he was worried about
and trying to make that happen. And he's like, but really,
the calm for me is when I stepped to the
line and just play football. Yeah, Like, that's not That's
the easy part, right to me that He's like, the
things that I worry about are the plays and the
language and making sure we get the right thing in
and I'm hearing everything right and know what it means.
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He's like, but once I get up to the to
do the play, like then it's all comfortable. He's like,
I wasn't worried about that, And that was before Green Bay.
And I think there's a calm and confidence in that
that you feel from the rest of the teammates that
are like, and it's backed up when it looks like
it has the last six quarters that that Yeah, he would,
no matter what, no matter what's going on in this game,
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He's gonna go out there and when he steps in
the ball snapped, he knows exactly what he's trying to
do and he's gonna do it efficiently. And that gives
everybody a belief that everything's gonna be fine for a while.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
It's remarkable that this is where we are. This team's
defense has stunk all season. They just had a four
game losing streak. The quarterback is Joe Flacco on like
his six team in five years. And yet and yet
I spent some time today sort of drawing out the
roadmap to the postseason, which I think is very real.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, I mean if you look at who they play,
I mean, their schedule has I mean that was I
think that was part of the impetus behind trade for
Joe Flacco. Now like there is an opportunity here. The
AFC is not strong, our schedule is not strong. We
can get this thing to a certain level.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
AFC North isn't strong.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The AFC North now is wide open, which goes back
to what we talked about last week in the with
the two pronged plan of Joe Flacco immediately the starter,
do not hesitate essentially turned Green Bay into a glorified
preseason game that that gets you prepared for Thursday, and
hope that that combination gets you that win, because that
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is the one that has opened up everything. It has
brought Pittsburgh back to life. It has put I mean,
I think doubt that you thought maybe existed in Pittsburgh
as a team out there. Yeah, and you're just sitting
right here and you look at where they're at, and
there's a good chance, maybe you'd say fifty sixty seventy
(06:55):
percent chance that the next time you go to Pittsburgh
you're playing for first place in some capacity. The Steelers
have three really tough games in front of them. The
Bengals should be able to beat the Jets on and
what's gonna happen against Chicago. But either way, you're sitting
there with a chance to get the tiebreaker for good
and be right there either on their heels or tied
(07:16):
with them at that point. And that's just you know,
five weeks from trading for Joe Flacco and it looking like,
let's be honest, this season was over.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yes, they were dead in the water.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
They had a terrible defense, a terrible offense. It was
a new level of futility every single week of how
bad could it possibly get? And now you have a
little bit of hope. I mean, there's still the funny
thing that, you know, Jay and I.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Were talking about this from the pod today, is like.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
With everything that has happened, you sit here today exactly
where you thought we'd be.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
We think the offense is pretty good, and I don't
know if the defense is gonna be good enough to
get you there.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
It's like, this is exactly It's in no way imaginable
how you thought you'd get there, But we have arrived
at this point in the season where you kind of
thought you might.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Is the question is still the same. Can this defense
get to average?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Can it be enough to get you a stop when
you need one in the end of the game, you know,
and not let up a sixty eight yard touchdown pass
where a guy is just running wide open down the
middle of the field. We don't, you know right now? No,
right now, no, But it has to get better. That's
gonna end up deciding the fate of this team, more
so than everything that's been going on and obviously rightfully
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publicized at the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I think unfortunately, though, the answer is no about the
defense because the sample size is large now. And you
know I said this on the Growler with You and
Jay today. My concern all off season was can you
get stops when you need it? Okay, statistically they're not
going to be great, you can't be awful. But when
the game is hanging in the balance, or what it's
(09:02):
on the verge of slipping away, or when you have
a chance.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
To ice it, can you get a stop?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And against Pittsburgh the answer was no, And against Detroit
the answer was no, And against green Bay in the
second half, the answer was no. And the answer hasn't
really been yes all season long, And so I hate
to do it because everybody's excited, and the story of
Joe Flacco coming to Cincinnati and being a quick enough
(09:30):
study to play competently against green Bay and then play
very well against Pittsburgh is a really fun story. But
then there's the cold water of watching my friend Gino
Stone try to chase down Pat fryermanth And there's the
story of a defense where we're benching Cam Taylor britt
he's an active he's not even active for the game,
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and we're plugging in Barrett Carter instead of Logan Wilson,
and we're just we're watching Schamar Stewart not do anything,
and we're watching Miles Murphy not do anything, and we're
seeing Al Golden just try to throw stuff against the
wall that sticks. Like, in many respects, this is worst
case and this is the story if they lose that
game on Thursday without a doubt on top of maybe
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you know, who are they gonna unload it?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
The deadline and all of that. And so the answer
is no.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And as as much as nobody wants to hear that,
how do you conclude otherwise when you watch seven games
worth of this defense.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So much of what's happening is grasping.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
It just desperation, grasps at straws. Yeah, it's it's just
I don't know. Everybody literally the answer has been, well,
I don't know. Maybe it'll look different. I mean there's
not even like with the with the Bear Carter Logan
Wilson thing.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I don't know. Maybe maybe he'll give us a spark. Yeah,
maybe it'll look different, like just try.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
But the point is, I think there's a recognition that
whoever else comes in, and so these young guys is
their only legit hope that maybe these draft picks that
they picked can, by the time you reach whatever November
or December, be able to start having enough experience that
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they come into their own and give some life to
the defense, because it's apparent that the same problems exist
that have for the last two years. New coordinators, same problems,
and that is your older players are getting worse and
your younger players are not filling in and getting in
and taking the over those roles. Like it's fine for
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older players to not play at the same level. That's
part of the bets you have with all these young players.
And you know you brought back bj Hill and you're
holding on the logan Wilson and and.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
All that stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Okay, fine, as long as you are young players that
you put to bubble up underneath them to push them
and eventually, yes, push them out the door, force them
out the door. By the way that they're playing and
it's desperation and the doors open.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Can you walk through it?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
There's no like real sense that this is any of
this is really working. And I went through and it
was gonna be rough. Early in the season. The hope
was that by the time you got to this point,
you would start to see it trending the right direction
a little bit. It's getting worse the last two weeks.
It has gotten worse. The competition level. You know, when
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you went from golf to love to now you know,
what Pittsburgh's doing with Rogers was certainly more challenging than
what they had before this. But it has gotten worse.
And that's the concern, is that that's happening. And I
went through and looked and just one I was just curious.
I filtered out sort of the first seven games of
a season for Bengals teams going back to two thousand,
(12:48):
I was blown away. They were the worst this defense
has ever been since two thousand through seven games in
like almost every major category, points per drive, touchdown, per
drive rate, EPA, per play success percentage, all of it
as bad as they've had a start to a season.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And you know, there, that's just such a steep hilt. Yeah,
at this.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Point, and you'd feel better if you felt like you saw, okay,
incremental one stop here in this particular moment in a
game or a better quarter. It's just it feels like
you're gonna be fighting these issues for a while with
young players where there's no track record in this league
that like young players immediately just that go from not
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picking it up to snap pick it up.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah. Now, the exception to all of this is DJ
Turner obviously, and we're gonna have to talk about him
when we come back. Let's do it.
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Stand there and cross stand there and watch me sit
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Yeah, like like an animal and a zoo. Yeah, it's great,
watch mod Can we come in? Yeah?
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Speaker 1 (16:19):
You go, very good. DJ Turner is good. Yeah, really good.
Like we can put him on the list of guys
I want to be on the team next year. There's
one okay.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
On the defense, I uh, I mean I get it
to you know, if you're starting a defense, you want
to start with a number one corner, the real shutdown corner,
and a top edge dresher. At least they have those
two things. They don't have the other nine right where
they want him to be right, they got those two.
(16:49):
That's a good place to start with the current team.
But I feel like DJ Turner's ascension has happened pretty quickly,
incredibly quickly. Who's been You're not not exactly a rookie. Yeah,
So I wanted to do the story on DJ Turner
after his big interception, but not just the interception. That
really the way he's played all year. A big game
(17:12):
against DK metcalf the other day. You know, a guy
that he's not built to necessarily travel with and be
able to shut down that. The knock on DJ coming
out is that he's he's more slight, He's just a
speed guy. You were thought that maybe bigger guys could
bully him. So here he was traveling with mister physical
in terms of physical receiver and bullying him to one
(17:34):
of DJ's best plays and one of the game changing
plays of the game with that interception. But he's been
playing great all season.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And you know it's.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Funny because he got Zach Taylor told us the story
about how he got called it. DJ got called into
his office before the opener against the Browns and he said,
I had to tell him that he's not going to
start the opener. You know that he had been in
this battle in camp, and it was like, Okay, who's
gonna play. There's a bunch of different options, and you
never know how those are gonna go. Like a lot
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of times they go real poorly and you end up
like you're you know, you're everybody has this person in
their office who's like always they're they're at the they're
at the in the break room telling everybody about the
business and how they're getting screwed and and sort of
sowing that negativity that's actually me. Oh yeah, well so
you know what I'm talking about. That DJ said, bet,
(18:25):
I'm getting the job back. I'm getting the job back.
And there was this It lit some sort of spark
in DJ Turner that already kind of existed.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
But next thing, you know, he was doing.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Everything right, every every detail, understanding that this is his opportunity.
And whether it's that conversation, whether it's it's you know
the fact that he wasn't the starter, whether it was
just the whole way that camp went, whatever it was,
it set something off that they're like, he is, he's
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engaged at an elite level. He is doing every three
he has become this now example that they're holding up
here to everybody in the building, specifically on defense, to
be like, no matter what kind of news you get,
you know, it's almost like they were speaking directly to
Cam Taylor brit at the same time. Whether you are
told you're getting benched, whether we're scaling back, you're playing time,
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whatever it is, look at this.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You can hear that news.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
And seven weeks later, you're not just the best cornerback
on this team. You might be playing like the best
one in the league right now. Yeah, Like he's playing
at such a high level because he has decided this
level of prep and focus is going to be a
huge part of himself and his routine. And then the
confidence shows up. You know, the Jacksonville game was a
big turning point for him where he has a big play,
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he's just right there every time he's starting to see it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You see the confidence build.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Next thing, you know, he's flexing in Jordan Love's face
after helping create that pick in Green Bay. So you
you have all of that building up, and now you've
got this guy who's who's playing like the guy they
hoped that they drafted.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Charlie Goldsmith just walked in. That's right, Charlie Goldsmith's here. Wow,
Charlie not gonna hang out right, We'll get done talking
to you. It's unbelievable, is it.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, I think the listeners would be well served if
I just gave my headset to Charlie for the next
thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
But it's true, you know, I think he wants to work.
He could definitely offer thoughts on DJ. Here's the thing.
You spent forty five minutes breaking down DJ Turner Ta,
you're gonna hang out with him when you're done here
at four. Yeah. Between now and then he will crank
out two newsletters better than anything that I've read.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Like he's gonna write fourteen paragraphs on the reds catching
problem for next year, and then he's gonna be breaking
down the kicking operation. Why Ryan Rico brings a driver
to a three A par three? You know, I mean,
it's just gonna be that's what he's gonna do.
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Speaker 1 (22:06):
There are no headlines. There's nothing really going on right,
not really. It's good. It's good. Could use some some calm, yeah.
Can the Bengals acquire some help at the trade deadline?
Can they? Yeah? I guess they can? Should they?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I mean, I think anyone else that could rush the
pastor would probably be welcome at this point.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I don't know, would you what do I acquire help
at the deadline? Yeah? How much?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
What would you be be willing to part I mean
I see the interest.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yes, I understand, would be willing to give up? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
What?
Speaker 4 (22:43):
And then to me like I I I appreciate these questions.
I I understand, Like it's like, should they Yeah, there's
a lot of things that the team should do that
they're just not going to do though, like this, they
made their trade. Now I could be wrong in this.
Maybe maybe they're just like man one pass rusher away
or an experienced veteran linebacker that could come in and
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help out these young kids. Or maybe there's injuries that happened.
I feel like that's usually where you see another move happen.
But they've already parted ways with some draft capital from
next year, so that's that's gonna make them less likely
to do it. They're not a team that's one trade
deadline piece away.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I think it would be a matter.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Of we can't function the rest of the year, which
is similar to how the Khalil Herbert thing happened last
year with the injuries at running back was Zach Moss to.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Me, and I forgot about him. It happens like that,
right immediately forgot about he was here. He was he
was here.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
He fumbled his first rushing attempt, So they played Chase.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Brown one hundred percent of steps. But you you.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Can do that, so that But I think that's the
way that it happens, like, I don't. I don't think
that you're looking at some they're gonna be like, you
know what, let's let's go for it, right. I know
people want that. I know that a lot of teams
operate that way. And I I'm not like saying a
name it's right or wrong. I'm just saying the likelihood
of them going out and acquiring somebody.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It's just I don't necessarily see it at this point.
Don't get my hopes up. Is what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
No, in the same way that we hear all about oh,
Trey Hendrickson right, like they're not going to.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Trade him now, name me, no, name me.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
The last time they traded away a player who could
help them win games this year at the deadline, And
I'm not counting Carson Palmer, Carlos Dunloe, who Napalm their
way out of town.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay, never Yeah, even in years they were talking about
this on the pod today, Even in years where it's
been extraordinarily dire, like Zach's first season at the deadline
they were zero to eight.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
They just played in London. They didn't trade any so
didn't trade. In years where it has been more they
had guys that agent degree.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
You know, I can sure calling and I'm just saying
like that, And that's one example.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
M h.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I mean, they just it's just it's just very very rare. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I asked you last week about the Logan Wilson situation.
Logan Wilson still played like forty six percent of the snaps.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, especially against teams where they're gonna be in base
a lot with three linebackers.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
He was like he was being talked about as if
he was never gonna play football again, but he still
played a fair amount. That said, what they did was significant.
I got to a place last week, and this is
after talking to you. I got to a place last
week where I was kind of okay with it because
you're gonna draft these guys. You acknowledge we need an
instant impact. We need instant impact from our draft picks. Well,
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you don't get that if the guy's not playing as
much as possible, and if there is some sort of
later this year benefit to a guy like Barrett Carter
experiencing some growing pains in the middle of it. Defense
the top to bottom just isn't very good. I'm kind
of okay with that.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, I'm not okay with all the mistackles, sure, And
I just feel like you have a more shore tackler
in Logan Wilson right now. This is not saying that
you can't eventually end up or figure out, like to
me it was, it's more of like, yeah, he's playing
whatever whatever that percentage and yeah, you know that's fine,
(26:25):
but that's still I want a more shore tackler out
there the majority of the time right now.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Like that's just with what is.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Happening, with the level of play that you're getting. The
mistackles are just killing them and it can be the
difference between the one stop right that you can have
and I just it just seemed a little that's where
the difference could be between Logan Wilson and Barrett Carter.
But I understand the like anything else, at some point,
if we're ever gonna be good. It's probably gonna have
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to be because maybe Barrett Carter becomes a guy. But then,
you know, I think Demetrius Knight has played where when
Barrett Carter has been out there, how much was he
helped by the veteran pass next to him? So is
that a part of what's happening there or is that circumstantial?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I don't know. Not paid to figure those answers out necessarily,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
I can just tell you what I've seen, and I
know the last two weeks, when they've not really had
Logan Wilson, we have seen a substantial drop off in
miss tackles and from the play in general, from both linebackers,
not just one.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
All of that is very valid.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I guess the way I looked at it is the
Bengals have a bad defense. If they're gonna get better,
you gotta find solutions somewhere. They're not gonna suddenly acquire
a bunch of dudes. There aren't some dbs waiting in
the offing, Like, all right, let's try Barrett Carter. And
if part of the growing pains is he misses some tackles, okay, well,
our defense stinks anyway, and they don't stink because of
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Logan Wilson. It's just if you're gonna try something new.
Linebacker to me is just automatically where you look. Because
they did draft Barret Carter. They're clearly in just play
the kids mode.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Mean, it's just look, every draft picks out here playing
every draft pick except for Shamar Stewart and.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Kind of got pulled back a little bit.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
But but you know, but they're all they're all out
there and they're just saying, look, at some point, we
have to turn this roster over with new life.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
New energy, build a new core, all of that stuff.
And they're doing that. They're doing that everywhere, and so
I get the move.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
I get the feeling that that's part of this broader
thing that they're doing. I'm not again, I just feel
like there's a chance, and hell, it could have been
that game Thursday, that that move could cost you a
game or two right now when you desperately needed it
to hang on to what to where you're currently at,
and you do have a lot of season left to
(28:48):
get those guys in there.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I see both sides.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
It's it's a terrible thing to have to ask, you know,
when you're in such a dire situation defensively that you're like, well,
let's should we just play a rookie even though this
guy's fine, because we just need anything else to start
to bubble up.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I mean, it's a tough spot to be in. There's
no right answer necessarily.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I was at Kroger yesterday morning and the kid, probably
the guy in his twenties, but there was a young
man collecting all the shopping carts, and the shopping cart
that's designed for kids that kind of is modeled like
a car got away and he went to go corral it,
and then two other shopping carts got away, and this
(29:30):
guy has these three shopping carts kind of coming at
him as co worker. And it reminded me of Gino
Stone in the secondary because this guy was lost, he
didn't know what shopping cart to go after.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
The one shopping cart kind of fell over.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, and I'm like, all right, when I got two
other decisions to make, that one's going to go hit
a car, and it did, and instead he just let
the one that was kind of coming right at him
kind of almost knock him over. This was like watching
Geno Stone. I am running out of things to compare.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Geno Stone too.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
But shopping cart kid at the dent Kroger yesterday was
made me think of Geno.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I've compared him to my dog. You did compare him
to your dog.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I was gonna ask you, has your dog's angles improved
more so than we've My dog has.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Gotten better than than Geno Stone. I think I compared
him to I watched a drunk girl chase down a
lift downtown after the lift had gone a block too far.
So I was asked today and I don't have the answer.
How bad of the guys behind him?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, I mean apparently apparently very.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I mean I don't I don't have answers.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I mean, this is it's it's something that we keep saying, right,
It's like, it's not like we weren't talking about this
in February, Right, It's not like we weren't talking about
this when you guys said we believe in you, but
here's your pay cut?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Like, yes, this has been the conversation the entire time.
It's just not taking.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I don't have any explanation for the sixty eight yard
touchdown pass.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I can Geno Stone is on the field.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Then I don't understand how that, you know, if if
you're gonna be out here saying I don't know anything
else about Logan Wilson, how are you not saying I
don't know anything else about if you play Logan Wilson
in safety, Maybe that's the answer. Maybe Barrett Carter moves
the safe. Fine, yeah, maybe we I don't know. Maybe
it's PJ Jewles.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
How bad are Tyson Anderson and Dejon Anthony? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I mean, well Dejon is still not on the club,
by the way, so but yeah, I think this would
be about I don't know, can Tyson Anderson play some
defense for you? I think to you at a certain point,
it's it's not like you're like, well, you know, you know,
Gino is such a good tackler that you don't want
to take him off the field. It's not that you're
not seeing these problems in a massive moment like what
(31:50):
happened in the Friarmith play, just not even seeing the
guy running down the middle of the field.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I don't I don't have an answer.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
For you on that one, other than they're clearly just knowledge.
They think he's either better than we think he is,
or they just have zero belief in anything. Happening behind them,
and in which case it's like, well, then you do
need to be looking around at the trade deadline and
making some calls the same things that we said when
we talked about the starting level and the depth level
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all off season.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
They watched the films of the games after they are played, right,
I heard that. Yeah, And they sit in this room
and there's Geno Stone and they're like, yeah, we can
just correct the technique and we'll be okay. Like, I
don't want to pick on the guy, but good god,
twenty two.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
What are we doing. It's and this is a second year,
it's second system. He's in the sixth NFL season. Yeah,
I don't I don't know what to do.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I just think you just watch the grocery carts crash
into the car and you just say, well, that's unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Like I'm gonna want I'm gonna go to the game
on Sunday against the Jets and spend half of it
thinking of other things I've seen in my every day
life that I can compare Geno Stone to.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
And this is getting exhausting. It's not that hard.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It's just whenever you see somebody or something that's lost
it's I mean, it's like they're.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
They're everywhere, They're all around us.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Oh oh yeah, yeah, there's there's there's no there's no
denying that the offensive line they put Jalen Rivers in, right,
is this unit actually progressing? Are they being masked by
how quickly Joe Flacco has got rid of the ball?
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I think it's more of being masked by how quickly
Joe Flacco is getting getting rid of the ball. I mean,
he was two point twenty seven seconds time to throw
against Pittsburgh, which was a top ten for Flacco all times,
and they've been tracking that. So even by Flacco standards,
that was really fast getting the ball out. They're out,
they're executing that plan. Ideally, it doesn't expose your players.
(33:53):
It's sort of like a couple weeks ago when we
talked when when I had the story of talking with Andrew.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Whitworth and we talked about that, that's who saying. See,
it's so hard.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's the hardest gig in the NFL in terms of
offensive line to block in Cincinnati because of the way
that things are constructed, the past heavy nature, the true
pass sets they're by just the plays that they're running
quick game on the more under center, a little bit
more play action. Some of that stuff that they're just
doing a little bit more often is lessening the amount
(34:23):
of true pass sets where guys have to block for
a little bit longer.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
And yeah, guys look better when they're in a little
bit better situation in terms of the what they're asked
to do every time. And I do think they have
played better.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
I do think they've they've stabilized a little bit there,
but it's still, you know, you still have a lot
of the same stuff going on, but it's just not
as obvious. And that's just the way they need to be, Like,
that's what they need to be offensively. It helps when
you're not in bad down and distance. Look, getting the
running game going against Pittsburgh was a game changer. Like
(34:58):
if that can continue, it keeps them out of the
you know, earlier this season they run all of the
second and third and long situations and those guys are
just not going to.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Be able to hold up like that.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Very few linemen kN and you're just asking a lot.
But the fact that they've been able to stay in
front of the sticks really by Flacco getting out quick,
making the profit getting your to second and seven or
six instead of second and ten or second and twelve
or whatever, like, it makes all the difference in the
world that you're making it easier on these guys. So
(35:29):
Flacco's ability to continually find something and get rid of
the ball and get something out of every play, even
if it's not exciting, has allowed life to be a
lot easier on those guys in front of them.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Then they're running the ball.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
And they found it actually well, I made it sound
like they've been doing it for weeks. They ran it
really well, ran really well, and you saw you saw
shades of it against Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, you saw climbers. It was starting to happen a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
And then when they finally broke it out the other day,
it seemed like, okay, now they might be onto a
little bit of something. And you know, the energy, the
energy picks up. I mean, when you go from the
long of the year being thirteen and then you actually
watch a twenty eight and a thirty seven yarder breakout,
it's like watching a different sport. Yeah, and so yeah,
(36:17):
it'll it'll change things for you. And the cool thing
was they were talking about how much it opened up
a lot of other stuff where they can felt like
they could call more runs with pass tags on them.
So I feel like you're looking like you're about to
make fun of this. It's like a run. I'm about
to tell you. I'm about to tell you. So if
you put if you put a tag onto the end
(36:38):
of the play call, that says, okay, tag this if
you want, if Flacco wants to pull the ball and
throw it, you will put Jamar on a route rather
than have it just be a run play or just
be a pass player. Right, Jamar's touchdown was a tag. Really,
that was a run play called that Flacco decided, I
don't like the run as much Jamar's running in the pylon.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I'm gonna throw the ball out there to them.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
And they can do that more often when they're in
better situations in terms of UH, in terms of down
and distance, or just the run games going good enough
that you can call those and know that you can
have a tag for a pass on the back end
of the play call, which Flacco just hears and just
belts it out and decides to make the play, which
is another kind of kudos to Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Moment there past tags, pastags.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
I mean that's what I'm calling them. I mean that's
what that's how it was referenced by pitch pasts.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, we're good, all right. I got a problem with that.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, okay, good, But I know I didn't want to
turn on a thing or it turns into like three
years of you making fun of run fits.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Oh, that's gonna be more than three years. But we're
going on three years. That's that's that's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
On.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I haven't heard about run fits. You probably will, Oh,
I'm I'm sure. Yeah, as long as the composition of
the defense reins run fits, crack or place, that's a
good one.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
All right, you and Charlie can go talk about that.
Thank you as always. We'll see you next week. Read
Paul Danner Junior at the Athletic dot com. You could
get the podcast The Growler, as we say, where you
get your podcasts.
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I'm on it today, Felic. I hadn't been on in
a while. It happen a while. Yeah, no, I haven't
back in the routine. We even talked about aliens. We did,
we did, which we're going to talk about a lot
more from that documentary.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Airs follow Paul on Twitter at lo no at Paul
Danner Junior.
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