October 29, 2024 • 38 mins
Mo Egger with Chad Brendel of Bearcat Journal and Rick Broering of Musketeer Report preview the upcoming season for the Cats and Muskies
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Bengals take on the Raiders. Coverage charts Sunday morning
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is the SDF fifteen to thirty more Terre broadcasting
from Buffalo Wild Wings and Anderson on Beach Moud. We
are here till five thirty, done early UK basketball, Wildcats
taking on Minnesota State exhibition games. So we got to
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I heard about how great this World Series was gonna
be for baseball. I don't think that counts if one
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a great place to watch all the college and pro
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football this weekend. A great place to watch college basketball
as well, which brings us to one of my favorite hours.
We do every year, the Chad Brendall and Rick Boring
College Basketball Preview Spectacular. Gentlemen, how are we doing?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Happy to be here?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's good to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's time. We're six days six days away? Are these
for us can be?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Chad Brendle, Bearcat Journal dot com, Rick Bororing Musketeer Report
dot com, NKU Radio, Skinny Podcast, Darren Horn TV show.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, thank you, which got a lot of run this summer.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Man.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yeah, well you always started doing it. Now they run
it like every day. A couple of times.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
There are a lot of Reds games where and I
keep it on, and then the postgame shows on, and then.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
All of a sudden, ricks on your TV.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Suddenly there's Rick and Darren Horn, and uh so I
caught a lot of those episodes.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
You're up to date on the Norse. That's good.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, it's funny. I had Darren on at some point
during the summer, and I had just watched the show
the night before. So it's good to go.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
A little prep work, that's all we're trying to do
for you.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
It's good to go.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It's here. College bad. We were talking off air. As
much as I love the sport and as much as
I've been waiting eagerly for the season to begin. It
still feels weird. Halloween is two days away and then
the season's going to start four days later. It's it's weird.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
It is. It's it's not a complaint, No, it's weird.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I mean, remember what October fifteenth used to be, like
the day where practice started, and now two weeks later
we're playing games like like in season, like legitimately playing games.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's it's it takes.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I mean what September twenty seventh, twenty eighth was when
practice started this year?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Like, good lord, the way with the way the football
weekend went though, it's time for basketball.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So yeah, is it not right?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh, there's no question.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, it's time to move on.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Turn the page to the page to some college troops,
and specifically for UC and Xavier. I mean, there's it's
been a while that there's been this much fervor and
excitement for both teams going into the season at the
same time.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
I remember in twenty seventeen, Rick and I on the
Skinny Pot cast almost every week toward the end of
the season told the fan bases.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Enjoy this.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
It's not something that's like don't take it for granted,
because it's not a given that both the one's going
to be a one seed and one's going to be
a two seed, and like both are going to have
these these great teams, Like it's it's not guaranteed that
that's going to happen. And now we've spent like six
seasons in the wilderness Xavier head one, so you know,
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one good quality Sweet sixteen run. Cincinnati hasn't really done anything,
and it's, uh, it feels good to be looking at
December fourteenth and going, man, I can't that that should
be a really fun, exciting game.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I mean, within the last five years, we all agree
that this is the best UC team and the best
Xavier team coming into a season, correct.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I mean, I guess eighteen or.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Mixed last team with Jaren and Trey and you know
the one after Kyle and Gary and Jake and those
guys left, Like the one after was still lost Iowa
in the in the NCAA Tournament.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
But yeah, it's it's been a while.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Yeah, I mean, just just thinking about that, and then
you expanded a little bit farther. I mean, like look
at the storylines at Kentucky and Louisville coming. I mean,
the regional basketball this year is going to be so
much fun.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait. Let's let's talk
about the two teams, uh, you see Exavier specifically the
exhibition games. First of all, can that be like a staple?
Can we can this be a thing moving forward? I'd
love that, right, and it might not might not always,
I guess, come against a regional opponent or a you know,
in Xavier's case, a traditional rival, But I just to
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be able to see them and watch them play games
against high major competition or at least Division I competition, Like,
can can this be a thing now moving forward?
Speaker 6 (04:45):
It was supposed to be at the same place, like
the same day, right, And then the NCUBA had a
proposal that was gonna just allow you to play exhibition
games against fellow D one opponents, and that got It
didn't get voted down.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I think people think gam voted down. It got tabled.
So that's going to be back on in the conversation
for next year. But we're this.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
Close to those super secret scrimmages going away and being
able to do things like that without having to be
and I hope they all are for charity, but without
the guys of it, it's a charity exhibition.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Xavier is going to start this season by playing four
games against some of the worst teams in all of
college basketball that date and exhibition that carried the fan
base for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That's a lot.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
That was an opportunity to see them play a real
opponent before you get into this next few weeks of
just nothingness.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, it's interesting from their perspective because last year it
felt like they bid off way too much. Right, you're
playing Houston, You're playing Purdue, right, I mean it was
on the road, and then this year it sort of
feels like non con it's gone from my perspective, at
least at least a little bit too much in the
opposite director, Yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Remember last year they didn't schedule those games. I was
a Gavit game in the Big Ten and it was
the Big Ten East to he speak, twelve rivalry games.
So they got those opponents handed to them, which was
Seawn Miller's opinion, he told us many times unfair and
unreasonable by the conference. This year, they got a much
more favorable draw in those types of events, and then
the non conference that they planned out, it's a lot
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of bye games.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, so what did we learn in the exhibition game?
Beyond they have more guys.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Who could shoot.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I think that's one of the biggest things. Is just
the number of guys they have that can put the
ball in the basket is important. But in addition to that,
I think Ryan Conwell you already saw right out of
the gate in that game. He didn't score a ton
of points, but he showed you in the first few
possessions why he's going to be a go to option
for them on the offensive end. I also think because
they lost their starting center, the guy who they thought
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was going to be their starting center in Lacina Triore,
a transfer from.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Long Beach State.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Seeing them go through those rotations, Zach freemanal started at
the center spot, but then they brought in Jerome Hunter
as one of the backup fights in addition to John Hughgley,
the transfer from Oklahoma. And I thought seeing Jerome Hunter
at the center physician playing small ball, I thought that
looked pretty good for them. So that was one of
my takeaways from the Dayton exhibition.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Sean Miller put out a tweet that was really unlike
any I've ever seen from a coach when a player
gets hurt about Lesina, and it highlighted I think for
those of us who had had a chance to watch him,
what they were expecting from him, and you feel bad
for the kid getting hurt. And then I had Sean
on my show like two days later. It was already
previously scheduled, and before I could even ask, he starts
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talking about the injury, and so that tells me they
were expecting a lot from him this year.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Well, I think there's a couple things going on there. One,
he was better than they even expected when they brought
him as a transfer, and he was really producing in
the preseason, so that was exciting. But in addition to that,
the thing that he does best is he plays really
really hard every single play. And you have two guys
that throughout their careers Zach Fremantle, John Hugh Lee, that
hasn't been their mo exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
That's not what they're known for.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
They show up on game night, they have some skills
on the offensive end, but they maybe don't always have
that motor that's at that peak level. He was forcing
them to practice that way or they got exposed in practice,
and so I think from Sean Miller's perspective was like
Zach Freeman and John Hughley are getting better and are
going to continue to play well throughout the season because
they have to go against that guy every day. Now
they're not getting pushed by someone.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You and I talked Chad about UC's game against Ohio State,
which didn't do anything to dissuade anyone who's really optimistic
for this season, but like I know, they're potentially back
when people start obsessing over little stuff. So the secret
scrimmage against Pitt happens, which we're not supposed to know about,
and I'm told they lost. And when that came out,
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what should I worry about this? Should I panic about this?
So I'll say, I said, I'll ask Chad, So I'm
asking you.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
So I want to make this clear because there's Dayton
fans did this and I hate this. Oh Xavier tried
to Xavier tried to win, and Dayton didn't try to
win Pitt the way that Pitt is expected to play
this year.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
They are not.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
And this is a duke thing and Jet like they
play eight guys, So they went into the scrimmage and
played seven or eight guys like that.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
They're getting ready for their season.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Wes is playing planning to play ten to eleven guys
at least early in the season, planning to play a
pretty deep roster, So he's working on different things than
what Jeff Cable is working on. Does that give Pitt
an advantage in a super secret scrimmage? Sure, but I
hate that whole Like Cincinnati wasn't trying to win, No,
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they were. They just Pit had their best players on
the floor for longer in that setting because that's who
they are. Like, that's Wes was trying to win the
way he's going to try to win in November. He's
trying to get his team ready for what's you know,
a week away, and Pitt is trying to do the
same thing. When you're doing these scrimmages, quite often one
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coach is looking at a different, like you know, wish
list than the other coach on what they want to
get out of the scrimmage. From what I was told,
Cincinnati didn't play anywhere near what they played like against
a high state where they came out and they're starting.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Five just blitzed Ohio State.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
That didn't happen against Pitt and I think some of
it is if they make ten threes a game, MO,
they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Be really, really, really hard to beat.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I wonder how many games they're gonna make ten threes
in a game. Because while they do have increased shooting
on this roster, if you look at the best lineup,
Gisel James, Dan Skillings, Simas Lukasis, Dylan Mitchell, who's never
made a three in college. He started seventy two games
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in college, he's never made a three. There's people, well,
what if he shoots thirty four percent? What if I
grow wings like that? It's not like and then his
ease like So there's some things that I still I
love the potential, I love the talent. I think they're
gonna be great defensively. I think they're gonna rebound. But
there's still some things I think that we need to see.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
To be confident. I almost got the sense Wes was annoyed.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, he didn't like that they played so well.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Right, So my first takeaway was, well, he's he's probably
then at least somewhat relieved that they didn't play as
well against Pitt as he did against Ohio State.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Yeah, of course, and I would rather it have happened
that way because could you imagine the fan base of
Ohio State came out and won that game by twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, it's why going in I said, I don't like this. Yeah, right,
they're gonna lose a game that doesn't count and we're
gonna season's gonna be over before it starts. But then
they did play well, and I want to see that
sort of game every single year again.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Now the expectation is they're gonna beat the brakes off
of everybody, including a big twelve that includes five top
ten teams.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I'd also say I think getting to see those public
exhibitions on TV for the fans, yeah, made it even
more unreasonable. And how they're going to approach the secret scrimmages,
because like, wait, this looks like a normal game to me. Right,
It's like those exhibitions that we saw on TV against
high major teams. I think the coaches were playing those
a bit more like regular shit because they didn't want
to get embarrassed. But the secret scrimmages typically are not
played like that. Sometimes you'll go, hey we're gonna play
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zone entire quarter, or hey, we're gonna work on a
press this quarter. Or we're gonna put all our young
guys in this entire quarter. So it's a totally different scenario.
A lot of times in secret screen, I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Xavior and Notre Dame played what like eighty four minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And they played four twelve minute quarters. But yeah, they
did that.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I mean like one quarter. It's like we're only playing
these guys one quarter, We're playing a zone or something.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, it's interesting because it was John Brannon his first
year and I asked about a secret scrimmage and he goes,
it's like a joint practice. Yeah, And if you go
to an NFL at joint practice, there's a lot of hey,
here's what we want to accomplish, here's what you want
to accomplish. You know, this is what we want to
do situations.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Wake sure we both check all the boxes, you.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Know, so use this personnel. We're gonna do this. And
so I've I've never been to a secret scrimmage because
they're a secret, but I've always envisioned them looking kind
of like that.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, like to give you an idea.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
After Xavier played a secret scrimmage against Notre Dame, a
box score a final score was reported, right, So I
went back to a source who was there, and I said, hey,
was is this score correct?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
And they so, honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
We reset the score at the end of every quarter,
Like no one in the gym knows what the score
was at the end. Someone must have headed that up.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
So like if you go to a practice, that's exactly
what you see in practice. They'll they'll put eight minutes
on the clock and the two teams will scrimmage for
eight minutes, and then when that's over, they reset the score,
change up the teams and then do it again like it's.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
It's practice, practice practice.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Talking about practice, I'm gonna throw at the two of
you a question that I have asked of Wes Miller,
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Speaker 2 (14:04):
Dad Brendall and Rick Brorring College basketball season Preview Spectacular
where Buffalo Love Wings and Anderson on Beachmont. This segment
is football in the Nattie, So it's supposed to get
a football segment so very quick. Uh, why can't they
hit the end of the first half right?
Speaker 6 (14:19):
It's at least when it was field goals, it was
like okay, like they're just they're doing everything right, but
making the kick right.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
What an unmitigated disaster that was?
Speaker 6 (14:32):
You twelve on the other team may want to run
down the field. Somebody should guard him, Like, I know,
you could tell the way Jordan Young reacted there was
a miscommunication.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
It can't happen.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
It can't. It can't, no matter what.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Somebody needs to be cognizant enough to go, hey, there's
twelve running down the field.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Somebody should miscommunicate on someone else. Right, forget about the
other hard enough.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Did you see the play at the end, Yes, they
clotheslined it, put him in a sleeper hole. Uh, had
him unconscious for four seconds and he still caught the ball.
Like he's hard enough to stop when there's blanket coverage
him being wide open.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Not, it's uncanny.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Not.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
The first half stuff is remark.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I mean five games they they've five games there's been
into half stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Well Royer fumble against Miami. Yeah, four games where they've
missed a kick. Yeah, and then and that's six games,
y six, It was three in a row. That so
they missed that, that's right, they missed housing, Yes, so
I don't but they missed a kick at the end
of Pittsburgh, at the end of the first half, Texas Tech,
they sort of screwed it up against UCF and then
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just a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It's a lot, like we're losing count.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's a problem.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
That's how bad it is.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
We've forgotten exactly how many they they have to because
the problem is mo and most of those games they've
been in position to go in half with significant momentum. Yes,
like Colorado is the only game that they've gone into
half trailing, and they've missed an opportunity to score points
in five other games to increase their lead going into
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the half. And I don't think it's like I didn't
mind the fourth and one call. You know, if you
want to argue that you should put Kinner in there, sure, whatever,
I also would counter if you put Corey back there,
they bring more guys into the box. The play itself,
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you got to make a play. Your garden center have
to get off the ball and get pushed, and if
they did, that was.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
An easy first down.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
So I understand everybody throwing a fit about it, but
like to win high level games in a big time conference,
your guys have to stop their guys or beat their
guys at some point in time.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
All right, we did football, okay, Rick, that was great. Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I have asked if Sean Miller, Wes Miller, and Darren Horne,
who have each been at this for a while, the
environment we're in in college basketball, there's it's no longer new, right,
It's still takes them getting used to, I guess, But
I asked each like, is this way of doing things
becoming normal? From the perspective of two guys who cover
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the sport, is this climate in college basketball has it become.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Normal, No, because it's still evolving, like we have. You said,
it's not new at this point, but like not new
in the as in terms of a concept, but like
we're still changing it every year and making new rules
and changing rules. The NCAA is like fighting back against
certain things one year and then the next year it's like, well,
fair gaming, do whatever you want now. So I don't
think we've gotten to a point where they're comfortable with
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how roster construction works. And then the second part of
that is, I think you are now starting to see
teams develop strategies. Like Sean Miller, for instance, this year,
said we've got to get old. We can't have young
guys anymore. Zuro freshman in this incoming class has the
oldest team in America, I believe based on age.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right you look at.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I think Xavier is giving them a run for their
money this year. If you're looking at like a school
like Georgetown, they're like, hey, we're gonna go the young route.
We're gonna get guys that are hopefully sustainable that we
can pay for two or three years and keep them
around after the you know, the first year, Marquette.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Said, we're not going to the portal at all.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
We're gonna keep everyone and just hope the continuity means
something more in this day and age. I don't know
what the right answer is, but I'm interested to see
which ones start to rise to the top.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
There's also something different that you see is going to
deal with that. I mean, Xavier will deal with it,
but because they don't have football, Like when you get
into revenue sharing, football is gonna want a significant piece
of that pie. And what what goes to basketball? Like
there's twenty two million dollars, seventy five percent goes to football, right,
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and then what does basketball get? And then how does that?
But the problem right now is we don't know the answer.
So going into twenty twenty five when all this is
supposed to start, you don't know how much money you
have even to spend, Like you're okay, like we know
what we have in our nil collective, but what do
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we have the extra five million dollars four million dollars
five million dollars to go forward?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Do we not have it?
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Like there's a lot of uncertainty that these these schools
that are also partnered with football are trying to like
navigate and you don't know the answer.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
What will this look like in five years? Oh my goodness,
I mean, is it possible to even wrap your brain
around what it might look like.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
I don't think it is, because I still think we
are going to see major, major realignment or shifting within
like the conferences, And honestly, I still believe at some
point college football is just going to do a tome thing,
like the top of the college football is just going
to separate. And then at that point it's like, does
everyone else just go back to how it used to
be and all the other sports are like, let's go
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do what we were already doing.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I think the tooth bases out of the tube in
terms of anil transferport all that stuff. But I don't
think you can predict what it's going to look like
in five years. I think we're still gonna see major
major changes.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
It's all window dressing leading up to collective bargaining. Up
until there's collective bargaining, there will still be lawsuits like
the nc DOUBLEA is trying to act unilaterally in the
best interest of the athletes, and the athletes aren't gonna
like that, Like there's going to be things that they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Look at it and say that's not right, that's not right.
I don't like this, I don't like that.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
So this is all just a precursor to whatever form
collective bargaining takes, I think. And then when there's collective bargaining,
I think you'll start to see things normalize. That might
be five years, that might be ten years. Like the
NC double A is not going away easy on that topic.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
This might be a stupid question when a coach like
Tony Bennett says I'm done, not an old man, a
guy in his mid fifties says I'm done and cites
publicly this isn't for me. Does that move things in
any specific direction or does everybody go, yeah, it's cool, coach.
(21:19):
You know, new ways of doing things aren't going to
be for everybody, so peace out.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I think more so the latter, like I think, what
Tony Bennett is is the group of coaches that said, wait,
we used to have all the power. I don't like
all this stuff where I don't control everything and have
all the power. This isn't for me anymore. I'm gonna
whind about it and leave a lot of coaches are
gonna have his back because they agree with him. H
doesn't make them right. It just means like, yes, someone
else is gonna want to compete and do it this way.
They'll take the huge salary and the competitive nature of
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coaching at the highest level of Division one basketball. They're
not going to make changes because Tony Bennett's sad.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
So for me, like, I mostly like this, certainly believe
that I'm a capitalist. I think everybody should get what
they can get. Sure, Uh, I am on bard with
college kids being able to bounce around and not have
to sit out a year. It is also as a
fan nerve wracking when you watch a Gisel James and
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you watch his entire freshman season play out, thinking not
in the back of your mind, but like, all right,
well where's he gonna be next year?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, and not back in your mind. People are openly
talking about that the half second half of the season.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
And it's those are openly recruiting them the entire second
half of the season and.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
He stayed, which which awesome. But I've done that with
football this year, and that's the part of it. I
don't like. I don't like at any program, you know,
I think we've The fun of being a college basketball
fan has always been to watch a freshman and go, cam,
I get him for two years, but we get a
chance to watch him develop, or for three years or
four years. Right, that's gone, and I will admit to,
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even in this climate being on board with it, I
miss that. And I don't enjoy watching a freshman come
in and you're automatically thinking where he's gonna go next year.
We we don't do that in professional sports. You know,
people to Eli Deller, Cruz is gonna play for the Dodgers. Yeah,
but first he's gonna put his time in with the
Reds and there's nothing.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
He can do thirty for the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
As soon as you know. Again, Jisel, last year, I
mean I remember watching him going, boy, this is awesome,
and then instantly it's like, okays, he gonna play for
Houston next year. I mean, where's he gonna go? And
that I don't like that.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
I mean the fact that there's no guardrails, no regulations
in place of anything like salary cap, how much guys
get paid, any of those things that we're talking about here,
makes it a complete disaster. At the same time, everyone
who tells me like, oh, I don't like this.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I missed.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
This is what I loved about college athletics. It's no
longer here are they still watching college football Saturday? Because
I'm pretture it's been a damn fun season.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And that's numbers are the highest ever. I mean, and
I've come back to that as well. We're number one.
More teams have access to the title because there's more
playoff teams. Player movement has taken schools like BYU and Indiana,
I guess, and maybe Navy. Then they got throttle and
it gives them a chance because maybe a dude who's
gonna be a backup elsewhere it comes and gets paid
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and now starts at that program and we're getting great games.
Like I hate conference realignment, but whole boy, I watched
Oregon Ohio State. Man, you know, like I I, I
think it's cool to turn on the TV and there's
USC versus Michigan.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Or what about Fans are like, I hate all this
player movement.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
You only have a guy for one year, and then
the second someone plays bad for two games, they're like,
who can we get in the transfer.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Portal at that spot? Get this another GUYE.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And I'll admit I did this with Ryan Conwell because
I watched Indiana State a lot last year. I did
it with Dylan Mitchell where you start to think, like,
all right, well, how's this guy gonna fit? How much
does he get?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That's fun exactly. Love the portal.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
I love the four weeks in the spring where they
get to like speed run the entire recruiting right, like
it's not you don't have to wait two years to
find out if this kid gonna commit.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You get two weeks and you're gonna know.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
The interesting thing too, is it puts a lot more
emphasis on if you are gonna recruit freshman, if you
are gonna try to have a portion of your program
that's gonna develop younger guys, you better be honest because
if you're full of crap, they're out like instantly.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Like that's the thing now, Rick.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
And I have both dealt with a lot of this,
like over the years, like you hear, oh, this guy's
telling this guy this and this guy that, and I
think we had a dinner somewhere with I wouldn't say
anyone's names, but yes, where like like all of it
was was bs. And if you are doing that they're
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gonna come in, they're gonna spend two weeks around your program,
and the first thing in their mind is I'm out
of here that you know, the next opportunity I can get.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I think that's good.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
For the sport is coaches are being forced to stop,
you know, feeding the line of crap.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Shout out to Will Barton Shelby.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
You've got to be open. And one more on this,
and then I want to get back to actually talking
about basketball. Uh UCF this year plays four games, five
guys leave. You see last year two games ago, Shama
Mattereor leaves. And I feel like in football, we've seen
enough of that to make me believe it's coming. In
college basketball, that's a part of it that I don't like,
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where you know, it's hey, it's February. We're not going anywhere.
I'm bouncing early. Then then the entire structure of the
sport falls apart. And again I am I am on
board with ninety nine percent of how this is playing out.
I am the new school guy in that regard, But
I there's also the part of me that believes you're
on a team. You see the season out two its completion.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Well, what about the kids who are testing their team
for the first four weeks of football season, then yeah,
if it's not going as well as they want or
they're not getting paid enough, it's like we actually, I'm
going to red shirt the rest.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Of the year.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And that's that's what happened.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Yeah, you see, I f had six guys that were
all like, uh, we're gonna hit the pause button. We're
gonna red shirt this year and we'll we'll we'll enjoy
our college career somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Like that part of it is coming.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
It has been proposed that red shirt rule where you
get I think thirty percent of which basketball would be.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Like nine games.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
You can play nine games and still red shirt. They're
working through like the proposal on that, but I have
a feeling it's coming basketball though basketball coaches have fought
back against that. Basketball coaches don't want it, where football
coaches because there's so few freshmen that actually get to play.
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That was a carrot you could dangle, like we'll play
you for me, you get a chance and you can
maintain your red shirt and basketball that's not I mean,
if you're a freshman, you're either generally you're either good
enough or you're not that year one where I mean
it's it's a different animal in basketball. But there is
talk of that coming in basketball, but basketball coaches have
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fought against it far more than football coaches who like
fought for it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Right, all right, I step aside and we'll actually start
talking about basketball again. Chad Rendel, Bearcat Journal dot com,
Rick Browing, Musketeer Report doc. We're here at b Dubs
in Anderson untill five thirty. These guys with me to
five on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
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Speaker 2 (28:26):
Seventeen away from five o'clock, ESPN fifteen thirty. Chad Wrangles here,
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We're a Buffalo wild Wings and Anderson where in just
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Speaker 4 (28:56):
I think you introduced me to that song, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, now and now when I hear it, you think
of Chad and right, think of you. Very good. Xavier
was picked to finish third in the preseason poll the
Big East. Is that about right?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I think that's about right in my poll. I'll have
them fourth.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
I'll have Saint John's as the team that I would
put ahead of them, But Creighton and obviously Yukon you
still have to put up at the top. I think
there's a little bit of like just the last two
years and what Yukon done and what Dan Hurley as
a coach that's giving them a little bit more benefit
of the doubt than they probably deserve. I think they're
probably if it were me, i'd probably have more like
ten to fifteen range instead of I know some people
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have my top five. I don't know that they're quite
that good this year in terms of nationally, but in
the Big East. I still think they're the team to beat,
and I think Creyton's gonna be really good too.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Is there a drop off from one to two to three,
whether IT'SAVI St.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
John's, I think it's slight.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I think Saint John's and Xavier both have more questions
than those other two teams. Those other two teams, I'd
be shocked if they're not really good Saint John's and Xavier.
It wouldn't be a complete surprise if they're not top
twenty five teams. But I think both of them have
the chance to be pretty dark good.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
What's biggest for Xavier.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
I think it's post play again now losing Lasina Trire
their starting center. I think it gives you a major
hit in terms of post defense and rebounding, and those
were two things that they were looking to really improve
upon from last year. Having Zach Fremantle back will help
on the offensive end a lot in terms of getting
some production down low, but defensively in rebounding, I think
it's a major concern.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
They're a far better shooting team this.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Year, without question.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
I mean, Quincy Olaveri was fantastic, but I think part
of shooting is not just having a guy who can
make the shots, but having multiple threats to space the
floor so everything else works better. I mean, how many
times do we watch Desmond Claude drive into a wall
of three or four defenders last year and try to
force something up or draw foul to get absolutely nothing.
If you have two or three shooters on the floor
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with him, they can't do that like they did last season.
So I think that's going to really help this team offensive.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
A skeptic looked at last year's team and said, Conference
USA All Star Team Dante Maddox is a terrific player.
Ryan Conwell, we talked about before, very good players, but
coming from Mid May, I hate to say that about
Indiana State based on the team they had last year.
What would you say to someone who says, well, yeah,
those are good players, but it's it's sort of running
it back what they tried last season.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yes, I would also ask you to look at the
rosters of all the other high major teams. You know,
you know who Dante max is going to be trying
to beat this year. A bunch of dudes from the
MAC that transferred into the Big East. Right, Everyone is
loaded with mid major players that are three or four
years into this now, it's really becoming an experienced thing
in college basketball. The coaches, the systems, they value experience
in the game more so than they do how many
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stars you had as a process.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
So it's interesting because watching the Ohio State scrimmage, Chad,
what my first thought was, it's nice to watch an
old UC team. You know, we say it all the time,
get old and stay old. They finally have achieved that.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I mean four years in a row. It might have
been five years in a row.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
They turned over over half the roster every offseason, like
there was a minimum.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Of seven new guys every offseason.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
This year there's essentially there's five, right, Tyler McKinley's hurt,
but you know four of them that are affect to play.
It is nice to you know, I think there is
a world where, and Danny has talked about this early,
there is a world where these things are like two
year windows. Now, like you have your two year window
and then you might have to like hit the reset
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button and build for that year in the next year.
And you know, it's a little different than like the
three and four year windows that we're used to. But
I think the teams that are having success are doing
so with a mix of you know, like the point
guard situation at Xavier. He's gonna lead your team in
year two, and you know, I think that is a strategy,
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a way of looking at this that is going to
become more and more prevalent of let's start thinking of
it in two year boxes.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I asked Rick about the Xavier non conference schedule. You see,
is going to go on the road and play three
true non conference games Georgia Tech, n KU and Vinova
and then they have the shootout. Uh, that's a good
night schedule.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
It's side and then you have Dayton and Atrol in neutral. Yeah,
that's that's fine. I mean you have the Big twelve
is you know, they they I think they got a
pretty quality Big Twelve schedule where I didn't look at
it and think, oh god, yeah, you know, I thought
it was was pretty fair. You look at the teams
you're playing on at home, once the teams are playing
on the road, once the teams are getting twice, I
think it it broke down pretty favorably. But it is
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going to be an absolute grind, and I don't think
you need any more than five, four or five like
legitimate tests in the non conference, and then six games
to kind of feel it out and make sure that
your rotations are right and make sure you've got you know,
guys in the right places and spaces. If you feel
like you're gonna be good, I feel like that's a
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good mix, you know, because then you when they do
the metrics, it'll say they tested themselves.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
They you know, they.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
They didn't just turtle up and play you know, eleven
games in the city of Cincinnati and you know the
only tough one was to shootout or whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, what's the biggest concern.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
I still think it's shooting with that front group, like
we talked about. I think the other thing that's gonna
be really interesting, mo is if you look at like
the consensus is Cincinnati does not have a top one
hundred player. I haven't seen any of these top one
hundred lists now they've got. I've seen like Jizzle and
Dan and Dylan, like right outside a bunch of top
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one hundred lists. But there's a pretty good chance in
a lot of these games. Like if you go through
that list, there's a lot of big twelve guys in there,
which means you're gonna be playing a lot of games
where the other team has the best the best player. Now,
maybe you've got the second, third, and fourth, but but
they've got the best.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Dude.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
I think one of that group has to show that
they can be on a more consistent basis.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Maybe it's Jigsel, maybe it's Laying, and probably Jizzle.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
I think Jizsel is the most like naturally gifted guy
ready to take a significant jump. So I think that's
who I would go with. But I think it could
be any of them on a given night. But but
it's tough in any league if you're going into every
game and not in their most every game and the
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other team has the best player on the floor.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That's my biggest concern.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
In the Horizon League, NKU has had that guy. Do
they have him now?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
I think they still will in a lot of games
because Sam Vincent is back, and Sam Vincent there are
a lot of people thought he might be the player
of the Year in the Horizon League last year, even
while Mark was work was on that team. Obviously, he
end up blown out its knee against Sint Mary's and
missed most of the season. But if he's back to
full strength and playing a near one hundred percent, which
today at mku's media day, he said, I might not
(35:46):
be all the way there, but I'm feeling pretty good.
I think that's a really good sign for KU fans.
And they pair him with a guy who won defensive
Player of the Year in the conference last year in
Trey Robinson and some young guys you know, Randall Pettis
played really well last year.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
LJ.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Well took a major step forward that I think could
be All League type players.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
So I said that to Darren Horne that I thought
that there was a guy who can make the leap
as LJ and he actually agreed with me.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
That's I'll take that. Yeah, if you can get coach
to agree with you, you gotta be happy.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It doesn't really happen often.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
LJ Wells is a guy that I mean is freshman
year during the exempt event when they were down at
Florida or not Florida Atlantic, but they were down in
Florida for their exempt event. He had a twenty point
game and it was like five games into his college career.
So he's always had the potential. It's just a matter
of getting him consistent.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, will they be good.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
I think they're going to have it just to be
really good. I think they're a little bit of a
sleeper in the Horizon League because of the loss of
Marquez War. When you look at the rest of the league,
most teams lost just about everything.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
K you bring back eight guys that contributed.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah, well, they'd be better than Right State. I know
that's important to you.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I would have them ahead of Right State my rankings.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Will they'd be better than Cincinnati on November nineteenth.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
That's what we're all hoping for.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I went, I went out in Highland.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
The peoples, Highland Heights. I just said, I we and
Highland Heights.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I went out and tried to get you to drink
beer with me after the game two years ago. I
will do the same.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Uh hold, h uh huh. You said you tried to
get me to go out.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
You texted me after I was already at a bar
where all the establishments were already.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Leaving the arena, and I'm like, you know what, I'll
show my face out here.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
And I did, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I offered for you to come where I was, which
you declined, which I'll be there this year, okay, all right?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
And there was. Don't act like I turned you down
after nk Oh.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You're having so much fun with all these NKU people
and nobody wants to hang out with your sad face.
It was basically it.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Actually it was we would love for you to show
up right now because we got a few things to say.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I was there, so I look forward to that game.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I do too.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
November the nineteenth. I can't thank you guys enough. You
guys joined me once a week during the season, and uh,
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Thanks Mom, can't wait. Bart Scott, Chad Brenda, Bearcat Journal
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Speaker 3 (37:58):
No, I just have a kid, though, Why do you
need a keep just pays the price. I got a kid,
I need to feed him.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
Man.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I got a teenager on the same page, so he's.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Already figured it out.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
So expensive.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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taking on Minnesota State exhibition games. So we got to
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(00:54):
football this weekend. A great place to watch college basketball
as well, which brings us to one of my favorite hours.
We do every year, the Chad Brendall and Rick Boring
College Basketball Preview Spectacular. Gentlemen, how are we doing?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Happy to be here?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's good to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's time. We're six days six days away? Are these
for us can be?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Chad Brendle, Bearcat Journal dot com, Rick Bororing Musketeer Report
dot com, NKU Radio, Skinny Podcast, Darren Horn TV show.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, thank you, which got a lot of run this summer.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Man.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yeah, well you always started doing it. Now they run
it like every day. A couple of times.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
There are a lot of Reds games where and I
keep it on, and then the postgame shows on, and then.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
All of a sudden, ricks on your TV.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Suddenly there's Rick and Darren Horn, and uh so I
caught a lot of those episodes.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
You're up to date on the Norse. That's good.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, it's funny. I had Darren on at some point
during the summer, and I had just watched the show
the night before. So it's good to go.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
A little prep work, that's all we're trying to do
for you.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
It's good to go.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It's here. College bad. We were talking off air. As
much as I love the sport and as much as
I've been waiting eagerly for the season to begin. It
still feels weird. Halloween is two days away and then
the season's going to start four days later. It's it's weird.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
It is. It's it's not a complaint, No, it's weird.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I mean, remember what October fifteenth used to be, like
the day where practice started, and now two weeks later
we're playing games like like in season, like legitimately playing games.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's it's it takes.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I mean what September twenty seventh, twenty eighth was when
practice started this year?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Like, good lord, the way with the way the football
weekend went though, it's time for basketball.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So yeah, is it not right?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh, there's no question.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, it's time to move on.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Turn the page to the page to some college troops,
and specifically for UC and Xavier. I mean, there's it's
been a while that there's been this much fervor and
excitement for both teams going into the season at the
same time.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
I remember in twenty seventeen, Rick and I on the
Skinny Pot cast almost every week toward the end of
the season told the fan bases.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Enjoy this.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
It's not something that's like don't take it for granted,
because it's not a given that both the one's going
to be a one seed and one's going to be
a two seed, and like both are going to have
these these great teams, Like it's it's not guaranteed that
that's going to happen. And now we've spent like six
seasons in the wilderness Xavier head one, so you know,
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one good quality Sweet sixteen run. Cincinnati hasn't really done anything,
and it's, uh, it feels good to be looking at
December fourteenth and going, man, I can't that that should
be a really fun, exciting game.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I mean, within the last five years, we all agree
that this is the best UC team and the best
Xavier team coming into a season, correct.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I mean, I guess eighteen or.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Mixed last team with Jaren and Trey and you know
the one after Kyle and Gary and Jake and those
guys left, Like the one after was still lost Iowa
in the in the NCAA Tournament.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
But yeah, it's it's been a while.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Yeah, I mean, just just thinking about that, and then
you expanded a little bit farther. I mean, like look
at the storylines at Kentucky and Louisville coming. I mean,
the regional basketball this year is going to be so
much fun.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait. Let's let's talk
about the two teams, uh, you see Exavier specifically the
exhibition games. First of all, can that be like a staple?
Can we can this be a thing moving forward? I'd
love that, right, and it might not might not always,
I guess, come against a regional opponent or a you know,
in Xavier's case, a traditional rival, But I just to
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be able to see them and watch them play games
against high major competition or at least Division I competition, Like,
can can this be a thing now moving forward?
Speaker 6 (04:45):
It was supposed to be at the same place, like
the same day, right, And then the NCUBA had a
proposal that was gonna just allow you to play exhibition
games against fellow D one opponents, and that got It
didn't get voted down.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I think people think gam voted down. It got tabled.
So that's going to be back on in the conversation
for next year. But we're this.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
Close to those super secret scrimmages going away and being
able to do things like that without having to be
and I hope they all are for charity, but without
the guys of it, it's a charity exhibition.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Xavier is going to start this season by playing four
games against some of the worst teams in all of
college basketball that date and exhibition that carried the fan
base for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That's a lot.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
That was an opportunity to see them play a real
opponent before you get into this next few weeks of
just nothingness.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, it's interesting from their perspective because last year it
felt like they bid off way too much. Right, you're
playing Houston, You're playing Purdue, right, I mean it was
on the road, and then this year it sort of
feels like non con it's gone from my perspective, at
least at least a little bit too much in the
opposite director, Yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Remember last year they didn't schedule those games. I was
a Gavit game in the Big Ten and it was
the Big Ten East to he speak, twelve rivalry games.
So they got those opponents handed to them, which was
Seawn Miller's opinion, he told us many times unfair and
unreasonable by the conference. This year, they got a much
more favorable draw in those types of events, and then
the non conference that they planned out, it's a lot
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of bye games.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, so what did we learn in the exhibition game?
Beyond they have more guys.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Who could shoot.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I think that's one of the biggest things. Is just
the number of guys they have that can put the
ball in the basket is important. But in addition to that,
I think Ryan Conwell you already saw right out of
the gate in that game. He didn't score a ton
of points, but he showed you in the first few
possessions why he's going to be a go to option
for them on the offensive end. I also think because
they lost their starting center, the guy who they thought
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was going to be their starting center in Lacina Triore,
a transfer from.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Long Beach State.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Seeing them go through those rotations, Zach freemanal started at
the center spot, but then they brought in Jerome Hunter
as one of the backup fights in addition to John Hughgley,
the transfer from Oklahoma. And I thought seeing Jerome Hunter
at the center physician playing small ball, I thought that
looked pretty good for them. So that was one of
my takeaways from the Dayton exhibition.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Sean Miller put out a tweet that was really unlike
any I've ever seen from a coach when a player
gets hurt about Lesina, and it highlighted I think for
those of us who had had a chance to watch him,
what they were expecting from him, and you feel bad
for the kid getting hurt. And then I had Sean
on my show like two days later. It was already
previously scheduled, and before I could even ask, he starts
(07:24):
talking about the injury, and so that tells me they
were expecting a lot from him this year.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Well, I think there's a couple things going on there. One,
he was better than they even expected when they brought
him as a transfer, and he was really producing in
the preseason, so that was exciting. But in addition to that,
the thing that he does best is he plays really
really hard every single play. And you have two guys
that throughout their careers Zach Fremantle, John Hugh Lee, that
hasn't been their mo exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
That's not what they're known for.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
They show up on game night, they have some skills
on the offensive end, but they maybe don't always have
that motor that's at that peak level. He was forcing
them to practice that way or they got exposed in practice,
and so I think from Sean Miller's perspective was like
Zach Freeman and John Hughley are getting better and are
going to continue to play well throughout the season because
they have to go against that guy every day. Now
they're not getting pushed by someone.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You and I talked Chad about UC's game against Ohio State,
which didn't do anything to dissuade anyone who's really optimistic
for this season, but like I know, they're potentially back
when people start obsessing over little stuff. So the secret
scrimmage against Pitt happens, which we're not supposed to know about,
and I'm told they lost. And when that came out,
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what should I worry about this? Should I panic about this?
So I'll say, I said, I'll ask Chad, So I'm
asking you.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
So I want to make this clear because there's Dayton
fans did this and I hate this. Oh Xavier tried
to Xavier tried to win, and Dayton didn't try to
win Pitt the way that Pitt is expected to play
this year.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
They are not.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
And this is a duke thing and Jet like they
play eight guys, So they went into the scrimmage and
played seven or eight guys like that.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
They're getting ready for their season.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Wes is playing planning to play ten to eleven guys
at least early in the season, planning to play a
pretty deep roster, So he's working on different things than
what Jeff Cable is working on. Does that give Pitt
an advantage in a super secret scrimmage? Sure, but I
hate that whole Like Cincinnati wasn't trying to win, No,
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they were. They just Pit had their best players on
the floor for longer in that setting because that's who
they are. Like, that's Wes was trying to win the
way he's going to try to win in November. He's
trying to get his team ready for what's you know,
a week away, and Pitt is trying to do the
same thing. When you're doing these scrimmages, quite often one
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coach is looking at a different, like you know, wish
list than the other coach on what they want to
get out of the scrimmage. From what I was told,
Cincinnati didn't play anywhere near what they played like against
a high state where they came out and they're starting.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Five just blitzed Ohio State.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
That didn't happen against Pitt and I think some of
it is if they make ten threes a game, MO,
they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Be really, really, really hard to beat.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I wonder how many games they're gonna make ten threes
in a game. Because while they do have increased shooting
on this roster, if you look at the best lineup,
Gisel James, Dan Skillings, Simas Lukasis, Dylan Mitchell, who's never
made a three in college. He started seventy two games
(10:38):
in college, he's never made a three. There's people, well,
what if he shoots thirty four percent? What if I
grow wings like that? It's not like and then his
ease like So there's some things that I still I
love the potential, I love the talent. I think they're
gonna be great defensively. I think they're gonna rebound. But
there's still some things I think that we need to see.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
To be confident. I almost got the sense Wes was annoyed.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, he didn't like that they played so well.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Right, So my first takeaway was, well, he's he's probably
then at least somewhat relieved that they didn't play as
well against Pitt as he did against Ohio State.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Yeah, of course, and I would rather it have happened
that way because could you imagine the fan base of
Ohio State came out and won that game by twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, it's why going in I said, I don't like this. Yeah, right,
they're gonna lose a game that doesn't count and we're
gonna season's gonna be over before it starts. But then
they did play well, and I want to see that
sort of game every single year again.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Now the expectation is they're gonna beat the brakes off
of everybody, including a big twelve that includes five top
ten teams.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I'd also say I think getting to see those public
exhibitions on TV for the fans, yeah, made it even
more unreasonable. And how they're going to approach the secret scrimmages,
because like, wait, this looks like a normal game to me. Right,
It's like those exhibitions that we saw on TV against
high major teams. I think the coaches were playing those
a bit more like regular shit because they didn't want
to get embarrassed. But the secret scrimmages typically are not
played like that. Sometimes you'll go, hey we're gonna play
(11:59):
zone entire quarter, or hey, we're gonna work on a
press this quarter. Or we're gonna put all our young
guys in this entire quarter. So it's a totally different scenario.
A lot of times in secret screen, I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Xavior and Notre Dame played what like eighty four minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And they played four twelve minute quarters. But yeah, they
did that.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I mean like one quarter. It's like we're only playing
these guys one quarter, We're playing a zone or something.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, it's interesting because it was John Brannon his first
year and I asked about a secret scrimmage and he goes,
it's like a joint practice. Yeah, And if you go
to an NFL at joint practice, there's a lot of hey,
here's what we want to accomplish, here's what you want
to accomplish. You know, this is what we want to
do situations.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Wake sure we both check all the boxes, you.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Know, so use this personnel. We're gonna do this. And
so I've I've never been to a secret scrimmage because
they're a secret, but I've always envisioned them looking kind
of like that.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, like to give you an idea.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
After Xavier played a secret scrimmage against Notre Dame, a
box score a final score was reported, right, So I
went back to a source who was there, and I said, hey,
was is this score correct?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
And they so, honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
We reset the score at the end of every quarter,
Like no one in the gym knows what the score
was at the end. Someone must have headed that up.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
So like if you go to a practice, that's exactly
what you see in practice. They'll they'll put eight minutes
on the clock and the two teams will scrimmage for
eight minutes, and then when that's over, they reset the score,
change up the teams and then do it again like it's.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
It's practice, practice practice.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Talking about practice, I'm gonna throw at the two of
you a question that I have asked of Wes Miller,
Sean Miller, and Darren Horn when we come back. Okay,
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Speaker 2 (14:04):
Dad Brendall and Rick Brorring College basketball season Preview Spectacular
where Buffalo Love Wings and Anderson on Beachmont. This segment
is football in the Nattie, So it's supposed to get
a football segment so very quick. Uh, why can't they
hit the end of the first half right?
Speaker 6 (14:19):
It's at least when it was field goals, it was
like okay, like they're just they're doing everything right, but
making the kick right.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
What an unmitigated disaster that was?
Speaker 6 (14:32):
You twelve on the other team may want to run
down the field. Somebody should guard him, Like, I know,
you could tell the way Jordan Young reacted there was
a miscommunication.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
It can't happen.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
It can't. It can't, no matter what.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Somebody needs to be cognizant enough to go, hey, there's
twelve running down the field.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Somebody should miscommunicate on someone else. Right, forget about the
other hard enough.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Did you see the play at the end, Yes, they
clotheslined it, put him in a sleeper hole. Uh, had
him unconscious for four seconds and he still caught the ball.
Like he's hard enough to stop when there's blanket coverage
him being wide open.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Not, it's uncanny.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Not.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
The first half stuff is remark.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I mean five games they they've five games there's been
into half stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Well Royer fumble against Miami. Yeah, four games where they've
missed a kick. Yeah, and then and that's six games,
y six, It was three in a row. That so
they missed that, that's right, they missed housing, Yes, so
I don't but they missed a kick at the end
of Pittsburgh, at the end of the first half, Texas Tech,
they sort of screwed it up against UCF and then
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just a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It's a lot, like we're losing count.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's a problem.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
That's how bad it is.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
We've forgotten exactly how many they they have to because
the problem is mo and most of those games they've
been in position to go in half with significant momentum. Yes,
like Colorado is the only game that they've gone into
half trailing, and they've missed an opportunity to score points
in five other games to increase their lead going into
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the half. And I don't think it's like I didn't
mind the fourth and one call. You know, if you
want to argue that you should put Kinner in there, sure, whatever,
I also would counter if you put Corey back there,
they bring more guys into the box. The play itself,
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you got to make a play. Your garden center have
to get off the ball and get pushed, and if
they did, that was.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
An easy first down.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
So I understand everybody throwing a fit about it, but
like to win high level games in a big time conference,
your guys have to stop their guys or beat their
guys at some point in time.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
All right, we did football, okay, Rick, that was great. Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I have asked if Sean Miller, Wes Miller, and Darren Horne,
who have each been at this for a while, the
environment we're in in college basketball, there's it's no longer new, right,
It's still takes them getting used to, I guess, But
I asked each like, is this way of doing things
becoming normal? From the perspective of two guys who cover
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the sport, is this climate in college basketball has it become.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Normal, No, because it's still evolving, like we have. You said,
it's not new at this point, but like not new
in the as in terms of a concept, but like
we're still changing it every year and making new rules
and changing rules. The NCAA is like fighting back against
certain things one year and then the next year it's like, well,
fair gaming, do whatever you want now. So I don't
think we've gotten to a point where they're comfortable with
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how roster construction works. And then the second part of
that is, I think you are now starting to see
teams develop strategies. Like Sean Miller, for instance, this year,
said we've got to get old. We can't have young
guys anymore. Zuro freshman in this incoming class has the
oldest team in America, I believe based on age.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right you look at.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I think Xavier is giving them a run for their
money this year. If you're looking at like a school
like Georgetown, they're like, hey, we're gonna go the young route.
We're gonna get guys that are hopefully sustainable that we
can pay for two or three years and keep them
around after the you know, the first year, Marquette.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Said, we're not going to the portal at all.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
We're gonna keep everyone and just hope the continuity means
something more in this day and age. I don't know
what the right answer is, but I'm interested to see
which ones start to rise to the top.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
There's also something different that you see is going to
deal with that. I mean, Xavier will deal with it,
but because they don't have football, Like when you get
into revenue sharing, football is gonna want a significant piece
of that pie. And what what goes to basketball? Like
there's twenty two million dollars, seventy five percent goes to football, right,
(18:54):
and then what does basketball get? And then how does that?
But the problem right now is we don't know the answer.
So going into twenty twenty five when all this is
supposed to start, you don't know how much money you
have even to spend, Like you're okay, like we know
what we have in our nil collective, but what do
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we have the extra five million dollars four million dollars
five million dollars to go forward?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Do we not have it?
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Like there's a lot of uncertainty that these these schools
that are also partnered with football are trying to like
navigate and you don't know the answer.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
What will this look like in five years? Oh my goodness,
I mean, is it possible to even wrap your brain
around what it might look like.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
I don't think it is, because I still think we
are going to see major, major realignment or shifting within
like the conferences, And honestly, I still believe at some
point college football is just going to do a tome thing,
like the top of the college football is just going
to separate. And then at that point it's like, does
everyone else just go back to how it used to
be and all the other sports are like, let's go
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do what we were already doing.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I think the tooth bases out of the tube in
terms of anil transferport all that stuff. But I don't
think you can predict what it's going to look like
in five years. I think we're still gonna see major
major changes.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
It's all window dressing leading up to collective bargaining. Up
until there's collective bargaining, there will still be lawsuits like
the nc DOUBLEA is trying to act unilaterally in the
best interest of the athletes, and the athletes aren't gonna
like that, Like there's going to be things that they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Look at it and say that's not right, that's not right.
I don't like this, I don't like that.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
So this is all just a precursor to whatever form
collective bargaining takes, I think. And then when there's collective bargaining,
I think you'll start to see things normalize. That might
be five years, that might be ten years. Like the
NC double A is not going away easy on that topic.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
This might be a stupid question when a coach like
Tony Bennett says I'm done, not an old man, a
guy in his mid fifties says I'm done and cites
publicly this isn't for me. Does that move things in
any specific direction or does everybody go, yeah, it's cool, coach.
(21:19):
You know, new ways of doing things aren't going to
be for everybody, so peace out.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I think more so the latter, like I think, what
Tony Bennett is is the group of coaches that said, wait,
we used to have all the power. I don't like
all this stuff where I don't control everything and have
all the power. This isn't for me anymore. I'm gonna
whind about it and leave a lot of coaches are
gonna have his back because they agree with him. H
doesn't make them right. It just means like, yes, someone
else is gonna want to compete and do it this way.
They'll take the huge salary and the competitive nature of
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coaching at the highest level of Division one basketball. They're
not going to make changes because Tony Bennett's sad.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
So for me, like, I mostly like this, certainly believe
that I'm a capitalist. I think everybody should get what
they can get. Sure, Uh, I am on bard with
college kids being able to bounce around and not have
to sit out a year. It is also as a
fan nerve wracking when you watch a Gisel James and
(22:10):
you watch his entire freshman season play out, thinking not
in the back of your mind, but like, all right,
well where's he gonna be next year?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, and not back in your mind. People are openly
talking about that the half second half of the season.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
And it's those are openly recruiting them the entire second
half of the season and.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
He stayed, which which awesome. But I've done that with
football this year, and that's the part of it. I
don't like. I don't like at any program, you know,
I think we've The fun of being a college basketball
fan has always been to watch a freshman and go, cam,
I get him for two years, but we get a
chance to watch him develop, or for three years or
four years. Right, that's gone, and I will admit to,
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even in this climate being on board with it, I
miss that. And I don't enjoy watching a freshman come
in and you're automatically thinking where he's gonna go next year.
We we don't do that in professional sports. You know,
people to Eli Deller, Cruz is gonna play for the Dodgers. Yeah,
but first he's gonna put his time in with the
Reds and there's nothing.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
He can do thirty for the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
As soon as you know. Again, Jisel, last year, I
mean I remember watching him going, boy, this is awesome,
and then instantly it's like, okays, he gonna play for
Houston next year. I mean, where's he gonna go? And
that I don't like that.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
I mean the fact that there's no guardrails, no regulations
in place of anything like salary cap, how much guys
get paid, any of those things that we're talking about here,
makes it a complete disaster. At the same time, everyone
who tells me like, oh, I don't like this.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I missed.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
This is what I loved about college athletics. It's no
longer here are they still watching college football Saturday? Because
I'm pretture it's been a damn fun season.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And that's numbers are the highest ever. I mean, and
I've come back to that as well. We're number one.
More teams have access to the title because there's more
playoff teams. Player movement has taken schools like BYU and Indiana,
I guess, and maybe Navy. Then they got throttle and
it gives them a chance because maybe a dude who's
gonna be a backup elsewhere it comes and gets paid
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and now starts at that program and we're getting great games.
Like I hate conference realignment, but whole boy, I watched
Oregon Ohio State. Man, you know, like I I, I
think it's cool to turn on the TV and there's
USC versus Michigan.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Or what about Fans are like, I hate all this
player movement.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
You only have a guy for one year, and then
the second someone plays bad for two games, they're like,
who can we get in the transfer.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Portal at that spot? Get this another GUYE.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And I'll admit I did this with Ryan Conwell because
I watched Indiana State a lot last year. I did
it with Dylan Mitchell where you start to think, like,
all right, well, how's this guy gonna fit? How much
does he get?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That's fun exactly. Love the portal.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
I love the four weeks in the spring where they
get to like speed run the entire recruiting right, like
it's not you don't have to wait two years to
find out if this kid gonna commit.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You get two weeks and you're gonna know.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
The interesting thing too, is it puts a lot more
emphasis on if you are gonna recruit freshman, if you
are gonna try to have a portion of your program
that's gonna develop younger guys, you better be honest because
if you're full of crap, they're out like instantly.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Like that's the thing now, Rick.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
And I have both dealt with a lot of this,
like over the years, like you hear, oh, this guy's
telling this guy this and this guy that, and I
think we had a dinner somewhere with I wouldn't say
anyone's names, but yes, where like like all of it
was was bs. And if you are doing that they're
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gonna come in, they're gonna spend two weeks around your program,
and the first thing in their mind is I'm out
of here that you know, the next opportunity I can get.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I think that's good.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
For the sport is coaches are being forced to stop,
you know, feeding the line of crap.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Shout out to Will Barton Shelby.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
You've got to be open. And one more on this,
and then I want to get back to actually talking
about basketball. Uh UCF this year plays four games, five
guys leave. You see last year two games ago, Shama
Mattereor leaves. And I feel like in football, we've seen
enough of that to make me believe it's coming. In
college basketball, that's a part of it that I don't like,
(26:11):
where you know, it's hey, it's February. We're not going anywhere.
I'm bouncing early. Then then the entire structure of the
sport falls apart. And again I am I am on
board with ninety nine percent of how this is playing out.
I am the new school guy in that regard, But
I there's also the part of me that believes you're
on a team. You see the season out two its completion.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Well, what about the kids who are testing their team
for the first four weeks of football season, then yeah,
if it's not going as well as they want or
they're not getting paid enough, it's like we actually, I'm
going to red shirt the rest.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Of the year.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And that's that's what happened.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Yeah, you see, I f had six guys that were
all like, uh, we're gonna hit the pause button. We're
gonna red shirt this year and we'll we'll we'll enjoy
our college career somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Like that part of it is coming.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
It has been proposed that red shirt rule where you
get I think thirty percent of which basketball would be.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Like nine games.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
You can play nine games and still red shirt. They're
working through like the proposal on that, but I have
a feeling it's coming basketball though basketball coaches have fought
back against that. Basketball coaches don't want it, where football
coaches because there's so few freshmen that actually get to play.
(27:25):
That was a carrot you could dangle, like we'll play
you for me, you get a chance and you can
maintain your red shirt and basketball that's not I mean,
if you're a freshman, you're either generally you're either good
enough or you're not that year one where I mean
it's it's a different animal in basketball. But there is
talk of that coming in basketball, but basketball coaches have
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fought against it far more than football coaches who like
fought for it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Right, all right, I step aside and we'll actually start
talking about basketball again. Chad Rendel, Bearcat Journal dot com,
Rick Browing, Musketeer Report doc. We're here at b Dubs
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Speaker 2 (28:26):
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We're a Buffalo wild Wings and Anderson where in just
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Chad and Rick here for another few minutes.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I think you introduced me to that song, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, now and now when I hear it, you think
of Chad and right, think of you. Very good. Xavier
was picked to finish third in the preseason poll the
Big East. Is that about right?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I think that's about right in my poll. I'll have
them fourth.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
I'll have Saint John's as the team that I would
put ahead of them, But Creighton and obviously Yukon you
still have to put up at the top. I think
there's a little bit of like just the last two
years and what Yukon done and what Dan Hurley as
a coach that's giving them a little bit more benefit
of the doubt than they probably deserve. I think they're
probably if it were me, i'd probably have more like
ten to fifteen range instead of I know some people
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have my top five. I don't know that they're quite
that good this year in terms of nationally, but in
the Big East. I still think they're the team to beat,
and I think Creyton's gonna be really good too.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Is there a drop off from one to two to three,
whether IT'SAVI St.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
John's, I think it's slight.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I think Saint John's and Xavier both have more questions
than those other two teams. Those other two teams, I'd
be shocked if they're not really good Saint John's and Xavier.
It wouldn't be a complete surprise if they're not top
twenty five teams. But I think both of them have
the chance to be pretty dark good.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
What's biggest for Xavier.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
I think it's post play again now losing Lasina Trire
their starting center. I think it gives you a major
hit in terms of post defense and rebounding, and those
were two things that they were looking to really improve
upon from last year. Having Zach Fremantle back will help
on the offensive end a lot in terms of getting
some production down low, but defensively in rebounding, I think
it's a major concern.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
They're a far better shooting team this.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Year, without question.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
I mean, Quincy Olaveri was fantastic, but I think part
of shooting is not just having a guy who can
make the shots, but having multiple threats to space the
floor so everything else works better. I mean, how many
times do we watch Desmond Claude drive into a wall
of three or four defenders last year and try to
force something up or draw foul to get absolutely nothing.
If you have two or three shooters on the floor
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with him, they can't do that like they did last season.
So I think that's going to really help this team offensive.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
A skeptic looked at last year's team and said, Conference
USA All Star Team Dante Maddox is a terrific player.
Ryan Conwell, we talked about before, very good players, but
coming from Mid May, I hate to say that about
Indiana State based on the team they had last year.
What would you say to someone who says, well, yeah,
those are good players, but it's it's sort of running
it back what they tried last season.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yes, I would also ask you to look at the
rosters of all the other high major teams. You know,
you know who Dante max is going to be trying
to beat this year. A bunch of dudes from the
MAC that transferred into the Big East. Right, Everyone is
loaded with mid major players that are three or four
years into this now, it's really becoming an experienced thing
in college basketball. The coaches, the systems, they value experience
in the game more so than they do how many
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stars you had as a process.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
So it's interesting because watching the Ohio State scrimmage, Chad,
what my first thought was, it's nice to watch an
old UC team. You know, we say it all the time,
get old and stay old. They finally have achieved that.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I mean four years in a row. It might have
been five years in a row.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
They turned over over half the roster every offseason, like
there was a minimum.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Of seven new guys every offseason.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
This year there's essentially there's five, right, Tyler McKinley's hurt,
but you know four of them that are affect to play.
It is nice to you know, I think there is
a world where, and Danny has talked about this early,
there is a world where these things are like two
year windows. Now, like you have your two year window
and then you might have to like hit the reset
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button and build for that year in the next year.
And you know, it's a little different than like the
three and four year windows that we're used to. But
I think the teams that are having success are doing
so with a mix of you know, like the point
guard situation at Xavier. He's gonna lead your team in
year two, and you know, I think that is a strategy,
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a way of looking at this that is going to
become more and more prevalent of let's start thinking of
it in two year boxes.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I asked Rick about the Xavier non conference schedule. You see,
is going to go on the road and play three
true non conference games Georgia Tech, n KU and Vinova
and then they have the shootout. Uh, that's a good
night schedule.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
It's side and then you have Dayton and Atrol in neutral. Yeah,
that's that's fine. I mean you have the Big twelve
is you know, they they I think they got a
pretty quality Big Twelve schedule where I didn't look at
it and think, oh god, yeah, you know, I thought
it was was pretty fair. You look at the teams
you're playing on at home, once the teams are playing
on the road, once the teams are getting twice, I
think it it broke down pretty favorably. But it is
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going to be an absolute grind, and I don't think
you need any more than five, four or five like
legitimate tests in the non conference, and then six games
to kind of feel it out and make sure that
your rotations are right and make sure you've got you know,
guys in the right places and spaces. If you feel
like you're gonna be good, I feel like that's a
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good mix, you know, because then you when they do
the metrics, it'll say they tested themselves.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
They you know, they.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
They didn't just turtle up and play you know, eleven
games in the city of Cincinnati and you know the
only tough one was to shootout or whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, what's the biggest concern.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
I still think it's shooting with that front group, like
we talked about. I think the other thing that's gonna
be really interesting, mo is if you look at like
the consensus is Cincinnati does not have a top one
hundred player. I haven't seen any of these top one
hundred lists now they've got. I've seen like Jizzle and
Dan and Dylan, like right outside a bunch of top
(34:29):
one hundred lists. But there's a pretty good chance in
a lot of these games. Like if you go through
that list, there's a lot of big twelve guys in there,
which means you're gonna be playing a lot of games
where the other team has the best the best player. Now,
maybe you've got the second, third, and fourth, but but
they've got the best.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Dude.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
I think one of that group has to show that
they can be on a more consistent basis.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Maybe it's Jigsel, maybe it's Laying, and probably Jizzle.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
I think Jizsel is the most like naturally gifted guy
ready to take a significant jump. So I think that's
who I would go with. But I think it could
be any of them on a given night. But but
it's tough in any league if you're going into every
game and not in their most every game and the
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other team has the best player on the floor.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That's my biggest concern.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
In the Horizon League, NKU has had that guy. Do
they have him now?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
I think they still will in a lot of games
because Sam Vincent is back, and Sam Vincent there are
a lot of people thought he might be the player
of the Year in the Horizon League last year, even
while Mark was work was on that team. Obviously, he
end up blown out its knee against Sint Mary's and
missed most of the season. But if he's back to
full strength and playing a near one hundred percent, which
today at mku's media day, he said, I might not
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be all the way there, but I'm feeling pretty good.
I think that's a really good sign for KU fans.
And they pair him with a guy who won defensive
Player of the Year in the conference last year in
Trey Robinson and some young guys you know, Randall Pettis
played really well last year.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
LJ.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Well took a major step forward that I think could
be All League type players.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
So I said that to Darren Horne that I thought
that there was a guy who can make the leap
as LJ and he actually agreed with me.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
That's I'll take that. Yeah, if you can get coach
to agree with you, you gotta be happy.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It doesn't really happen often.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
LJ Wells is a guy that I mean is freshman
year during the exempt event when they were down at
Florida or not Florida Atlantic, but they were down in
Florida for their exempt event. He had a twenty point
game and it was like five games into his college career.
So he's always had the potential. It's just a matter
of getting him consistent.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, will they be good.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
I think they're going to have it just to be
really good. I think they're a little bit of a
sleeper in the Horizon League because of the loss of
Marquez War. When you look at the rest of the league,
most teams lost just about everything.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
K you bring back eight guys that contributed.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah, well, they'd be better than Right State. I know
that's important to you.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I would have them ahead of Right State my rankings.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Will they'd be better than Cincinnati on November nineteenth.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
That's what we're all hoping for.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I went, I went out in Highland.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
The peoples, Highland Heights. I just said, I we and
Highland Heights.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I went out and tried to get you to drink
beer with me after the game two years ago. I
will do the same.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Uh hold, h uh huh. You said you tried to
get me to go out.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
You texted me after I was already at a bar
where all the establishments were already.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Leaving the arena, and I'm like, you know what, I'll
show my face out here.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
And I did, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I offered for you to come where I was, which
you declined, which I'll be there this year, okay, all right?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
And there was. Don't act like I turned you down
after nk Oh.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You're having so much fun with all these NKU people
and nobody wants to hang out with your sad face.
It was basically it.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Actually it was we would love for you to show
up right now because we got a few things to say.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I was there, so I look forward to that game.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I do too.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
November the nineteenth. I can't thank you guys enough. You
guys joined me once a week during the season, and uh,
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Thanks Mom, can't wait. Bart Scott, Chad Brenda, Bearcat Journal
dot com, Rick Brooring Musketeer Report dot com. Subscribe, subscribe
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Speaker 3 (37:58):
No, I just have a kid, though, Why do you
need a keep just pays the price. I got a kid,
I need to feed him.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
Man.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I got a teenager on the same page, so he's.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Already figured it out.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
So expensive.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
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