10/13/25 - The Football Show - Mo Egger

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It's a Monday, which means we're at Twin Peaks today.
We're in Westchester on ESPN fifteen thirty. Good afternoon, Mullager,
James Rapine, Bengals Talk dot Com, Enter the Jungle, Locked
on Bengals podcast on Twitter at James Rapine, fresh from
his trip to Wisconsin to watch the Bengals lose but

(01:13):
provide some glimmers of hope. Twenty seven to eighteen, the
final score at lambeau Field yesterday. Twin Peaks in Westchester
has hosted US on Mondays every year since twenty twenty.
We'll be back at the Florence location next week. If
you haven't been a Twin Peaks, Tonight is a great
sports night because you have two Monday night football games.
You have both league championship series underway in baseball. You

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could watch all of those tonight if you're looking ahead
to the weekend. Bengals don't play this weekend, but obviously
you can watch the Bengals and Steelers, all the college
football games UC versus Oklahoma State, the nationally ranked Bearcats
against Oklahoma State, and the full entire NFL Week seven
slate on Sunday. Here at Twin Peaks, the staff is awesome,

(01:55):
the food is terrific, plenty of ice, cold beer and
other libations. James Rapeen is with us. Let's let's make
sure there's no elephant in the room first, Okay, let's
do it.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I wish Tony Pike was sitting there.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
That's fair. I get it, me too, me too.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
And I've done this show with Tony on Mondays for
ten and a half years. It's my favorite show to
be a part of.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
I produced the first one you did.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah yeah, I remember you and Tony hit it off.
I thought it should be the James and the Tony
and James Football Show. In the absence of Tony. There
is legitimately nobody else I'd rather have here than you.
So I can't thank you enough for doing this. I
wouldn't have blamed you had you said screw that. I
ain't doing that. You know you have big shoes to fill,
but I know you'll fill them, and so thanks for

(02:41):
being here, because if it was almost anybody else, I'm
not sure i'd be here.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah one, I get it. You're one thousand, right, big
shoes to fill. I I'm bummed at because normally, if
I'm filling in for Tony, I make fun of them
a little bit. I don't want to make fun of them.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Make fun of them, Yeah, make fun of them, please.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
I don't want to because he might come pummel me.
And this is the only time I would admit.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
The guy spent like four or five days hearing and
reading all the nice things.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Let's bring him down runner too. That's true. So by
all means we're we're Tony is fair game.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
But really excited to be here, not excited about the circumstances,
but talking bangles with you. This is It's always fun,
so happy.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yes, I have a lot of questions.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, I have a lot of answers. I was at Lambeau.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
I know which I want to talk about. We would
be irresponsible if we didn't start the show talking about
Jim Kelly.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
This is a football show.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
There are a few football figures in this city whose
presence looms as large as as as Jim's does. Longtime
color analysts on UC broadcast, somebody that I've been privileged
to work with for twenty four years. We found out
early this morning that he has passed away. Jim stepped

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away from his broadcast duties a few weeks ago, and
so so that was kind of the green light for
a lot of us to start talking about him.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
He was fighting cancer. He did not go down without
a fight.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Man.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
He worked those first three games.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
He wasn't at his best physically, his voice was a
little bit weaker, but on the air, the analysis was sharp.
The enthusiasm for UC football was there, and you know
you're gonna hear and read that a lot that nobody
cared about UC football or that school as much as
Jim synonymous. There is nobody more synonymous with UC football

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than Jim Kelly. The Kelly family goes back to UC
nineteen forty seven, when Jim Senior began his playing career.
Jim was a ball boy at the University of Cincinnati,
went on to a stellar playing career at Molar High School.
He is a Hall of Famer at Molar, and then,
in an era where nobody threw the football, Jim was

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recruited by a lot of different schools, ultimately decided to
stay at home, had a career that when he left,
he was fourth all time in receiving at the University
of Cincinnati. They didn't throw it a ton, but they
throw it enough for Jim to achieve that. And then
went to training camp with the Chicago Bears, came back

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and was a graduate assistant coach, and then in nineteen
eighty eight got behind the microphone on this radio station WCKY.
Did the games for a few years, stepped away in
the early nineties for a few years as he started
to have a family with his wife Sarah, and then
jump back into the broadcast booth in nineteen ninety five,
and from then until one month ago today was the

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color analyst on UC football broadcasts, and as a broadcaster
was awesome, awesome, and for me what was always so
much fun not just listening to Jim provide color analysts
of what was analysis of what was happening on the field,
but he was a living, breathing link to decades of
Bearcat history, and so he could tell stories about what

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it was like watching UC football in the sixties, and
what it was like playing for the Bearcats in the seventies,
and what it was like having a front row seat
for the program in the eighties and the nineties, and
before the Big East became reality, and before BCS Bowl
games and you know, the Big Twelve and playing in
the College Football Playoff, and every single call, every single

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game he did with with Dan Hord and before that
George von Benko and before that Paul Keels. You heard
tremendous insight, great storytelling, but more than anything else, passion
and love for the University of Cincinnati and its football
program and it's football players. And I think that's important
because Jim gave a crap about the players he got

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to know them personally, he got involved in their lives,
and so he didn't just root for the team. He
rooted for the players on the team. And he didn't
just root for them to play well. He rooted for
their individual success. And so you cannot talk about University
of Cincinnati athletics, and god knows, you can't talk about
UC football without talking about Jim Kelly. I can't talk

(07:02):
about Jim Kelly without talking about what he was as
a family man. And I put this on social media.
I was lucky to work for twenty four years with
Jim and travel to god knows how many different cities
to go watch the Bearcats play, which meant that you
got a chance to go have dinner with Jim on
a Friday. And then Jim liked to have a cold
one or two, and so god knows I do as well.

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And we did that, and invariably the conversation would drift
to two things. You see, football and the next day's game,
the upcoming opponent, whatever was going on with the program.
And then every single time the conversation would drift to
his family, his wife Sarah, his four sons, his grandkids.
He was an extraordinary family man. He was the kind

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of family man that you're like, That's that's how I
want to be. And that to me, matters more than
the football part of it, the broadcasting part of it.
That stuff matters, It doesn't matter as much as the
guy that Jim was. I said this to Chad when
we did quick hits. In a day and age where
it is becoming increasingly difficult to find true gentleman, Jim

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Kelly was one, and I am heartbroken that he's not
with us anymore. I am grateful, though, that I had
a chance to know him and work with him for
as many years as I have. And he is going
to be sorely missed. He is going to be sorely
missed by everybody at our radio station. He is going
to be sorely missed by myself and Dan and Tony.

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He's going to be missed by every Bearcat fan who's
ever come in contact with him, whether it's on the
air or in person. He's going to be sorely missed
by everybody at that university. And I can't say enough
good things about him. I know, James, you knew Jim.
We were just talking. You're farewell to the radio station.

(08:53):
We had a little soare for you.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
And Jim shows up and it's not like me and
Jim were best friends. And he shows up and he's like, hey,
let's be a part of it. And he's there's a
picture that we shared on you shared on your Instagram.
But the thing I remember most about Jim, that's.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
One of the moments.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
But when you're producing and you know this and you
reach out to someone for the first time. Yeah, just
how great he was, how easy he was. I'll move
times here, like if I get this guest. He was
great the whole time. I've seen him at multiple stags
recently I saw it Roger Bacon's stag in January, and yeah,
he's just he's a great dude. And I love the

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picture that I took of him, you and Chad Johnson.
And you said, what Cincinnati football legend in Chad Johnson
or something.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I said, I received it with one of Cincinnati's all
time great receivers also Chad Johnson.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
That's right, And I love that.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
He was awesome and he was a terrific player.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
And I you know, before my time as a fan,
but you know, they didn't throw the ball much. The
program was was good. He was on good football teams.
But what he was as a broadcaster, and again this
is not as important as what he was as a guy.
But you would listen to a game done by Jim
Kelly and you would know two things. One, you were

(10:14):
gonna get sharp, concise analysis, no gimmicks, no catch phrases,
no silliness. You knew you were gonna get smart analysis
of what was going on. And he wanted the Bearcats
to win. But if he had to be critical of
a coach, if he had to be critical of a player,
you know he was willing to do that. You knew
he was going to compliment whichever play by play person

(10:36):
he was with, which for the last twenty six years
it's been Dan Horde, and you knew that guy was
rooting just as much for the Bearcats as you were,
and probably even more. And that doesn't mean that he
was a homer. That doesn't mean that he was a cheerleader,
although he could wear his emotions on his sleeve. But
to me, I think of that enthusiasm for the program,

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and that enthusiasm I mentioned a few minutes ago for
the players themselves. He was just awesome. It was just
an awesome person. He was a great broadcaster. And again,
I can't even express how much I'm gonna I'm gonna
miss him on air and off.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
I text him a week ago and he text me
back within a minute, much like it would have been
fifteen years ago or whenever. He was like, Hey, can
you come on with MO please, you know, and he's like, oh, yeah, sure,
what text me back right away. Thanks for the thoughts
and prayers, and you know, it's just one of those
and yeah, it's it's awful news. But what you said

(11:38):
there was great because it was well deserved. And like
I you've never heard anything bad about him, No, And
it's because he carried himself, whether it was me as
a twenty two year old producer or whatever it was,
or you on the road, Dan on the road, to
carry yourself the same way everywhere. Yeah, then everyone's going

(11:58):
to be saying the same gentlemen. So I mean, it's
a good way to describe it.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Gentlemen in every sense of the word.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
And you know, that's it's becoming more and more difficult
to find true gentlemen in this age, and not with Jim.
And that's you know, I've read a lot seen a lot,
not just today, but you know a lot of folks
found out that Jim was battling some health issues. The
school did a really nice video tribute to him at
the game on Saturday. And by the way, Jim had

(12:28):
put together a reunion of his nineteen seventy five team,
fiftieth year, fiftieth anniversary, and he worked really hard on it,
and I know all he wanted to do was be
there for it. They had an event on Friday and
Jim was there, and during the video tribute, they showed
a photo of Jim there with his teammates, and I
guess he was hoping to get to the game on
Saturday and that didn't work out of the way. I

(12:49):
talked with his son Dave this morning, who said Dad
and I watched the game together and he had thoughts,
he had analysis. So I'm thrilled the Bearcats won that game,
and I'm glad that Jim got a chance to spend
that day with his teammates because I know how hard
he worked on that. Four sons, grandkids, his wife Sarah

(13:09):
is just the best. And I just ask everybody to
keep those folks in your thoughts because they're hurting but
holy hell, they were lucky to have a guy like
Jim be the patriarch of their family. So there you go.
Eighteen after three o'clock. We'll pivot to what happened at
Lapo Field yesterday.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
James, it's been a week.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, it has been a week, and there's no doubt.
But yeah, we can talk a little bit about that,
the debacle in the first half or one side of
the ball, and then the dibaco in the second half
on the other side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
All Right, I will, I'll tell you how I viewed
yesterday's game. Going in when we come back, we're a
Twin Peaks in Westchester. The James and Mo Football Show.
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For three o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty The James
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is with us again. Can't thank enough for philling Tony
C for me. I viewed yesterday as a preseason game.
This was Joe Flacco needs game reps with Jamar and t.
He needs game reps in the new offense. This is

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there's gonna be some clunkiness to it. Maybe though that
during that game he can plan some seeds for future success.
I thought they had almost no chance of winning. At
no point during the game yesterday did I think they
had a chance to win. I didn't think the defense
was going to be good enough to drag them to
a victory. While Joe Flacco learns the names of his guys,
he's throwing two I looked at that as a preseason

(15:18):
game that they can hopefully use to then go win
a game on Thursday against the Pittsburgh Steelers. I still
feel that way after having watched what I watched a
Lambeau yesterday.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, I think that's fair. It was a fair way
to approach it because out of the next month month plus,
yesterday was the the least important game. Yes, as weird
as that sounds, and I phrase that going into the
game like, oh, well, it's Lambeau and it's the Packers
and there's a lot of fans traveling and it's been
really exciting since the schedule came out fourteen and a

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half with dogs man that and you didn't trade for
Joe Flacco because you need to beat the Packers, right,
You needed to make that move last week. So you
have a shot against the Steelers, and so you have
a shot to make a run here in that the
AFC that is pretty wide open, and certainly the AFC
North is there. You have two games against the Steelers.

(16:09):
You can get right back in it, but you gotta
win Thursday. And so yeah, to have a a tune
up on the road with a crowd that was was
loud in a unique environment, I think the approach was
was correct. I I there wasn't a thought that crossed
my head that maybe they pulled this off. But you're right,
the defense let it down, which which which we're going

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to discuss.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
But like the offense was clunky early and that as
the second half went on, you could just you could
see it. You could see Joe Flacco kind of going okay, like.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
All right, I get this.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
I have Jamar Chase, right, I've never had I've never
had a Jamar Chase in my career. Jamar Chase yesterday
was awesome, insane, like awesome. He's the best receiver on
the planet.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I mean, the numbers aren't.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
The numbers are good, but you're not gonna look at
the numbers and go holy crap.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
You had to have watched him play yesterday.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
He was terrific. I saw what I didn't see from
Jake Browning. When Jamar is open, or when t Higgins
is open, I saw a quarterback who can say, Okay,
that guy's open, I should throw them the ball. Or
there was a play in the game where he's the
pocket is collapsing. The Bengals gave up one sack yesterday.
The pocket is collapsing and Joe gets rid of it
and throws it toward the feet of Tanner Hudson and

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it's an incompletion. And the person that I was watching
the game with, I said, Jake Browning throws that to
one of their guys. Yep, like that, say it's an incompletion,
it's second and ten. We move on, you know, live,
live to fight another day. That's why they got Joe Flack.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
No doubt about it. How calm he was on the
road when he's eight to fifteen for forty yards and
they have four first downs at halftime, when they have
three plays in the first quarter and at two minutes
time of possession, and it's just he's.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Calm, that's all right.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
It would be really easy to freak out, like I
can't believe you guys trade it for me where you're
starting me five days later, I've only practiced a few
times and we're getting our butts kicked.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
And he didn't do he didn't get rattled, he didn't
throw a pick six. Instead, he went the other way. Yeah,
played well down the stretch, gave them a chance and
got the ball to their playmakers. If the Bengals are
going to be good this year, their playmakers are going
to be why Jamar Chase and T Higgins, that's going
to be why they're good, and so you needed someone

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that was going to get the ball of those guys consistently.
I do think Joe Flacco is capable of doing that.
That's why I like the move. And he's also mature
enough to weather the storm of the lull at Lambeau
early on, which can you imagine if Russell Wilson was
in that situation how it would go. It might not
go as well.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
So you talk about like him and the opportunity and
how he'd feel. I watched him talk with you guys
on Friday, and my take was like, this is a
guy's like, screw it, let's try it.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yeah, right, Sure.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Like his legacy in the game is safe. Nobody is.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
If If you think Joe Flacco has had a great
career to this point, if it fails in Cincinnati, you're
not going to change your mind. It's going to be
I think a footnote, and if he ends up being productive,
then it's just it's something else he accomplished. But I
listened to that entire media session and I'm like, this
guy's treating this with humor and with excitement. And he
looks at as an opportunity and if it doesn't work, okay,

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it's not really on him.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
And if it does work, awesome.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
I think his.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Approach publicly to me, if that was.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Mirrored privately, then this can work.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah. I think if you look at it, you just
zoom out bench in Cleveland one and five or even
now two and four throwing to Jamar Chase t Higgins
in a past first offense where you're gonna put up
numbers and have some fun and be able to sling
it around. Isn't that what you want? Isn't that why
he's still playing? Yeah, to have a shot at doing that.

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I mean he signed up to throw to Jerry Judy
and David and Joku and Cedric Tillman, right, Like, no
disrespect of those guys, but that's not Jamar Chase and
T Higgins and the rest of the weapons the Bengals have.
So yes, I think if you're him, you almost treat
it house money approach. Yeah, like I don't have a
anything to lose. This offense should fit my style. I

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should be able to put up big numbers and this
should be fun. Yeah, And can you imagine if you
are the guy that helps save the season. Right, that
opportunity is still there for Joe Flacco in the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Just imagine if he does help beat the Pittsburgh Steelers
on Thursday, forget where it goes from there.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
As a fan, I'll always feel good about Joe Flacco.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
It'll be a fun weekend, wouldn't it.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
You've got acquired ten days before the game, you had
your training wheels game against Green Bay, and then you
help beat Pittsburgh. And I mean to me that that
game on Thursday will determine whether or not we have
a race in the AFC North.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
No right, seasons on the line Thursday.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
I mean, the season's on the line for the Bengals,
it's on the line I think for everybody else in
the division where if Pittsburgh's not gonna run away and
ide they've got to lose here soon. Their next game
is against Cincinnati, and so yeah, man, Like I became
a fan on Friday just watching him with this smile
on his face, like, all right, this is different, it's unique,
but this will be fun.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Let's try it.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Let's see if it were And in the second half
it did.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
It did work, and he was calm he was scanning
the field, seeing the field. Well, T Higgins had a
season high five catches.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yeah, how about that?

Speaker 4 (21:13):
A season high five catches for t Higgins. Just unbelievable
that we're saying that. But can Joe Flacco.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
He's not gonna be Joe Burrow. Shocker.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
There's like two people on the planet that might be
able to be Joe Burrow. Can he maximize what they
have skill wise? He's much closer to doing that than
where they.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Were a week ago.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
And so that's why you bring him in. And part
of it, and I think why the Bengals were so
attracted to it was also that attitude in mindset. They
thought that he would come in with that ability, the
ability to lead by example and be calm when things
are a bit stressful because it's going to be hard. Sure,
it's not gonna be easy to go out there at
pay Course Stadium in front of the Bengals fans and

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say hey, because there's gonna be a lot of Steelers
fans there one, No, two, Primetime three. It was pretty
good and so it's gonna be tough. Joe Flacko has
beat them eleven times in the regular season. He's eleven
and eleven against them, and that's better than owing to
Jake Browning.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
So they have a chance.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
You're better than an zero to two Jake Browning.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
You're not the first person I said that to me.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Coming back to that, like, the last few weeks, yeah,
have sucked.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I mean, there's no other way to put it.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
From Joe Burrow getting hurt to the three consecutive losses,
it's just been this avalanche of bad yep. And so
I'm watching Joe Flacco and it's like, that's the first
smiling face I've seen from anybody connected to this franchise
in over a month, Like all right, it just it
felt like a breath of fresh air. It felt like,
all right, let's guys, let's see if this works. If

(22:43):
it doesn't work, okay, but if it does, game on.
And now, because I thought going into the game they
would lose. Now for me, it's game on. Let's go.
You have a shot.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yeah, that's all you're asking for. After you lose one
thirteen to thirty seven in three games, When you lose
a lot that you're like, all right, well, how do
we get back in it?

Speaker 1 (23:02):
A little bit?

Speaker 4 (23:02):
I think the locker room needed it. Honestly, I think
the coaching staff needed it and they feel like they
can go play against these higher end teams and have
a chance. And I don't think they felt that after
those three games. I think it was like, Ah, we're
in trouble right.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
More on Joe Flacco coming up and admity more. Unfortunately,
the script was familiar for the defense. We'll spend some
time on that when we come back. It's twenty seven
away from four o'clock. We're at Twin Peaks in Westchester.
Sports headlines coming up as well on the James and
Mo Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 3 (24:43):
And MRI is clean.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
According to Ian Rappaport, Hendrickson left yesterday's game with the
back issue. Zach also expressed optimism that Shamar Stewart can
maybe go on Thursday. Not so much for Mike Kasicki,
who Taylor says will be out quote a while with
a pectoral injury. Thursday Night Football Line on ESPN fifteen
thirty pregame coverage begins at three o'clock. Former Bengals offensive
coordinator Brian Callahan has been fired by the Tennessee Titans.

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The baseball playoffs, a pair of League Championship Series games.
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(26:15):
a little bit after eight pm. We're Twin Peaks in Westchester,
the James and mow Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. So,
like I told you off air and on, I didn't
think the Bengals were gonna win the game. Sure nobody
really did. No, So I wasn't gonna judge the performance
based on the results. It was gonna be does Flacco

(26:37):
look like he can maybe win you some football games?
If they had any chance of winning, the defense was
gonna have to be the major reason why. In the
second half last night, it was the major reason why
they lost.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
They were awful. They were awful. You can't get it,
can't get a stop a stop. And the one that
really stands out to me. You have all this momentum,
You've gotten a two point conversion, you're down six to
twenty four eighteen, there's two thirty two left, third and eight.
Get off the field, find a way to get off
the field. And I get it. You don't have Trey hendrickson,

(27:10):
come on, you're on the road. I know he had
over four seconds to throw. Yeah, I mean, I mean
it was waiting for a Jeopardy. I mean, it's just
plenty of time. He wrote two Jeopardy answers in that time.
And then Matthew Golden, of course, who has his best
day as a rookie with a thirty what thirty one yarder?
I believe it was against Jordan Battle and he had

(27:30):
two thirty yard catches, like just can't happen, And I
thought I never allowed myself, had a whole game story
written about how they lost. When it got to third
and eight, I was like, oh man, I need to
start the crazy comeback Flacco debut story because it's close.
And then Jordan Battle on this defense couldn't get a stop.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
So.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
They cut it to ten seven. Green baygos sixty six
yards on nine play.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yea instant, instant after a seventeen play drive, just instantly.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yes, they cut it to seventeen to ten. Green Bay
goes sixty two plays and sixty two yards on six plays.
They cut it to twenty four to eighteen. You just
mentioned the seven play, forty one yard drive that ended
with a field goal. Not unlike fourth quarter last Sunday
against Detroit, where okay, they've kind of gotten back and
if they're down eleven ten and a half to go tough,

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uphill battle but not insurmountable.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Get a stop.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, and instead Detroit, I think six plays never got
to third down on that drive. And so you know
this before the season, it's they've just got to be
league average. Okay, well that math changes when you don't
have Joe Burrow. And then to me, it comes back
to what I often asked during the summer, which was, yes,
they've got to be league average, but when they have
to get a stop, whether that's to finish a game

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or give the ball back to Joe Burrow or in
this instance, give the ball back to Joe Flacco, can
you get a stop? The answer repeatedly this year has
been no. I don't put much of that on al
Golden Maybe I should I put that on a on
a defense. It's got like pretty much the same collection
of dudes as last year.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, what playmakers do they have? What guys do you
look at and do you say, all right, this guy
is gonna make a play on third and eight. I
mentioned Trey Hendrickson all right. I think SAMR. Stewart could
be one of those guys. He's not there yet. Is
there anybody else. No, the answer is no, even on
a day when DJ Turner has five past breakups, just

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don't throw to DJ Turner.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
There now he's mutualized.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
And outside of that, there isn't there's not a guy
that you can bank on. And so for Al Golden
or Luennaruma last year and this was lose point.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
This is why I think he went to the athletic
over the weekend, is like, Hey, this is it, this
is why it's working in India. And then why because
they don't have those kind of dudes. They have a
lot of okay, like Jordan Metall okay, Gino st okay.
Starting two rookie linebackers who's stunk? I thought they were
a pair. Barrett Carter was awful, lot of tackle. He

(30:02):
may end up being really good, Yeah, yesterday he was not.
And so who's making the play nobody? You don't have,
you don't have anyone. I do think that that linebacker
situation is really weird because Logan maybe he's lost a step.
I don't think he's been so bad that you're benching
him for a fourth round pick right now.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
What's interesting to me is after the first game, you
did the show and I said to you, like the
first game against Cleveland was the first time that during
the game, I said, like, man, there's Logan Wilson. Yeah,
and so I had really high hopes that this would work.
I don't think his play has been as good as
it was then. I also don't think he has stood
out for being atrocious.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
No doubt. And so that's I don't get it. I
don't understand. So you have a new coach and Mike
codgees at linebacker. Obviously you have Al Golden. What is it?

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Like, is it is there behind the seat? And that's
something that I'm going to investigate all week because it
I can't look at what Barrett Carter did yesterday, what
those linebackers did, what Josh Jacobs did, to be more clear, Yeah,
five point two at Carrie. He entered the game averaging
three point three yard to carry. It's not like the
Packers or this juggernut rushing attack. And that's the number
one thing you can't do if you're the Bengals defense

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is give up the run. And they did. And so
I do put a lot of that on those linebackers.
Whether it's fair or not. It just feels like those
guys weren't where they should be in key moments and
on rundowns.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Should I be giving Al gold in the past that
I seem willing to give him. I don't know, man,
I don't know that there's a scheme that could overcome
what they don't have.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Fine, I get that he took the job and wanted
the job and all of those things. There's one Zach
Taylor thought they had more talent on defense than they
had last year, or at least that it looked.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Like they had.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Does Zach watch the game defense?

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yeah, that's a good question. Al knew what he was
signing up for. I think their plan to a degree
was probably presented to him, and if not, it should
have been their offseason plan.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
And so like, I'm sure Al didn't take the job
thinking they were going to overhaul the defense.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I get that.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I just don't know that, like you could sit down
to figure out what your game plan is going to
be and go, you know what, I can come up
with schemes to overcome what I don't have, because what
he doesn't have is pretty much anything.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
And so I agree with you in a vacuum that's
fair because I just said they don't have enough playmate r.
But I was told this was going to be a
better defense. I was told that they were going to
be improved enough. And now you've benched Logan Wilson and
he can't be happy.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
And Al Goldman was supposed to bring out the best
in Logan Wilson.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
That was the thing, all the best in Miles Murphy
and the best of j Justinosai and the best.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
And so.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
If you the moment Trey goes down, you're like, all right, well,
who's going to get a stop, who's going to get
a sack? Who's going to make a play? And you're
talking about DJ Turner, Dax Hill maybe, like there's just
not many guys where you're like, oh, well they could
make a play. Yeah, that's where I'm like, Okay, why
didn't you go get a safety? Why didn't you get
a veteran linebacker instead of putting all your eggs in

(33:04):
the Logan Wilson.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Basket or the Bears come on now?

Speaker 4 (33:09):
But honestly, like because yeah, I just they didn't do
enough and they they're clearly banking on too many rookies.
I mean, think about it. If Shamar Stewart starts. Let's
say Trey doesn't plan, Shamar Stewart starts. Shamar is going
to start. Two rookie linebackers are going to start, and
then you're gonna have if Dylan Fairchild's healthy to offense.
That's five rookies starting in a must win game on

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Thursday night football against the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's a tough.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Ask with Joe Burrow, no question.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
If Shamar Stewart doesn't play, And again Zach did express
some optimism that he could.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
I'm optimistic he will.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
And if Trey Hendrickson can't go, word is your past
for us? I mean I'm asking rhetorically because I don't
think there's a concrete answer.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Oh, you need to be mister miaging Trey Hendrickson right now.
You know, maybe that's why you don't bring him back,
because if MRI I was mean, it's a back contusion.
He's probably super sore. Sure, how do you get unsore?
How do you get as pain free as possible on
Thursday night for four hours? Because that's what they need.
I mean, there's no there's no way around it.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
And so okay, there's maybe a glimmer of hope because
of the way Joe Flacco and the offense performed in
the second half. Yeah, this defense has given me no
reason for hoping. The Pittsburgh Steelers don't have the world's
most explosive offense, but Aaron Rodgers is still Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
DK metcalf had a big.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Game yesterday against the good Cleveland team, good Cleveland defense,
and so you could say, well, Flacco gives them a
reason to compete, and I believe that, but the defense
is a reason why it's hard to imagine them winning
a game that they're not favored to win.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Who's gonna righte the Cam Taylor BRIT's gonna channel his
inner twenty twenty two against Dk Metcalfe story this week.
You know, I'm not, I have no I love him
like as a human.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
It hasn't happened. It's what is going on?

Speaker 8 (34:53):
Yeah, Like I I I think I'd be on the
phone with Indy right now seeing if there's any That's
what I would do, because it just doesn't fit.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
It's not working.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
It's not working.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
And yeah, DK metcalf is gonna bully DJ Turner because
he's much bigger, but it's not working with camp.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
So what are you gonna do yeah. So that to
me looms over like there's this jolts of optimism that
I think most are trying to cling to.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
And I get it.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Man, it beats the way we've talked about them coming
out of the last three games. But they need their
defense to help them win. They need their defense now
to be more than just an accessory. They need their
defense to do more than just be along for the
Joe Burrow ride. They need to get stops in the
second half against the Pittsburgh Steelers, a physical team, I
just I don't expect it. They against a Hall of

(35:45):
Fame quarterback.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
They need to be very O five ish an opportunistic defense.
They're not gonna just get stop after stop after It's
just not gonna happen. And I get it. Turnovers are
really hard to cause and really hard to force. You're
gonna have to get to a game like that's kind
of the blueprint. And they got one, and if you
get two, then it's probably a different game. And that's

(36:08):
probably going to be the case on Thursday night. Do
they have a strip sack on Aaron Rodgers? Do they
get a pick? Do are they able to make that happen.
If so, and they can take care of the football,
well then we might be talking about the defense being
a bit different. But as far as them getting stop
after stop after stop, I just don't think they're going
to be that consistent. I don't think they have enough playmakers.
Could they be good enough to force a couple of turnovers?

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Maybe? Maybe so with flacos, and the answer be comes,
can you win a high scoring game?

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Oh? If this team is good, their offense has to
carry them. That's still the case. That didn't change because
Joe Burrow's out. That's why you take a few looks
at Jake Browning and you're like, this can't work.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
It's not gonna work. Now.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Is Joe Flacco going to give you enough? We'll see.
I wish I wish they had been a tad more
aggressive and free agency, which I've said for most most
of my life. When it comes to the Bengal you're
talking about the defense, Yeah, well they didn't make any
what TJ. Slayton, which is fine because you finally have
a nose tackle. You didn't even have a nose tackle
last year, so we that's the bare minimum, right.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
My thing all off season was did you watch last
year secondary sure, and they literally did nothing to it,
not in the draft, not in free agency. So when
I see Cam Taylor get the Cam Taylor brick get
benched again, I go, I saw that last year. When
I see Geno Stone taking angles like he was a
tackle or seven like, I go, well, gee, we saw

(37:35):
that last year. When I see Jordan Battle get beat
in coverage, I go, well, we saw that last year.
So that, to me is the frustrating part is the
recurring themes, the same guys doing the things that caused
last season to get wasted and got lou and or
Rumol fired. I see those same things and then like
not a genius or anything, but all off season I

(37:55):
was one of those raising my hand going are we sure,
we're sure we're doing this? And so that is deeply frustrating,
deeply frustrating that, hey, we we saw this coming, they
did nothing about it, and.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Now here are the results.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
And when the game is hanging in the balance, the
inability to get stops, get off the field, give your
offense a chance. It's it's part of what killed last
season and it could still doom them this year.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
In the narrative, I don't buy I've heard this a
lot today. Oh well, the offense made the defense beyond
the field so much in the first half. Come on, man, okay, well,
you've had like two hours of real time to get
get your wind and get a stop. The Bengals offense
had a seventeen play drive last ten minutes after half time. Yeah,
they were well rested. I don't want to hear it.

(38:45):
And they proceeded to give up what a seven play
touchdown drive and then a six play I.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Quite literally said, I said, this is the most well
rested the defense could be in the third quarter of
a football game.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
No, they they I think Jamar had sleep number mattresses though,
to the sideline for the entire defense on that first drive.

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Speaker 1 (41:44):
Right here we go Middle hour. It's the James and
Mo Football Show. By the way, I haven't slipped up
yet in college. You haven't Tony and Mo Football Show.
I did at the outset intentionally.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Sure, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I was workshopping some names. I did two, not Tony
and Mo Football Show. I wish it was Tony and
Mo Football Show. But I think the James and Mo
football shit works.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
You know why because Mo rhymes with show. That's fine.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
At the end of the day, that's all that That's
all that mattered.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
He used to be the the Rock and Mo Football Show,
as you well know, when Rocky Boy Maan did the show.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
With me, so rock and Show they don't rhyme.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Prior to that, it was Mohawk Monday, we go back.
I'm not new here. I'm not new here. James repen
is with us. But by the way, lambeau Field, you
were there. Ye got back at like six o'clock in
the morning, right, not your first lambeau Field experience. Second,
I know there were a lot of fans who made

(42:39):
the trip. Our buddy Austin Elmore went up there to
the game. For those who haven't been, what's it like?

Speaker 4 (42:45):
It feels like football heaven, a football haven, a historical
place that is so unique because of the tailgating around
and where you park. I mean we parked in someone's
yard that was the media parking, like next to a house. Yeah,
that's no, you can't do that anywhere else. And you
walk to the stadium and just really awesome. I was

(43:08):
I was jealous of the tailgators. I'm not gonna lie, sure,
but this was my first time seeing the media side
of Lambeau. I went as a fan last time I went,
and yeah, it was great. It was great, every bit
of it. And you very rarely do I take a
picture on a field.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
I took a picture on out on their field. Yeah,
because I did my stand up down there, absolutely, so
I had to. So yeah, worth the trip for sure.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I went to that game the last time the Bengals
were there in twenty seventeen. It's the friendliest football crowd
I've ever been around. Yes, And I think venues like
that that they know are like bucket list destinations. They
know opposing fans are coming, they know opposing fans are
coming for a unique experience, and so they don't get
offended if you're not rooting for their team, right, they

(43:51):
root for theirs, sure, and do so passionately. But like
that was my thing, and I've said that about a
few different things. I think a Wrigley Field, for the
most part, is that way. They know other teams fans
want to come to this venue, and so they're used
to it. They're not bothered by it, and so they
don't behave in a way that would suggest they are.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Yeah, I think that's a good it's a good comp
I've been at Wrigley once, Lambo twice, and in those
those compare, i haven't been to Fenway to compare that one. Yeah,
but similar is it similar?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Similar vibe. I've been to Fendway not to see the Reds.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
But yeah, they know fans make pilgrimages to come to
fend Way Park, and so I'm sure New York Yankee
fans who visit would disagree it's a little bit different.
But for the most part, I think they understand, like
folks cross this item off their bucket list, and to
do so, they typically try to see their team.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
I think it's rare in the NFL. Yeah, then baseball,
and that's what makes Lambo so unique. Yeah, is it's
like college town feel almost with elite tailgating, but you
have all the history and you have the the the
Lambeau Tour, which I did ten years ago when I
went the first time, just just awesome.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, that's a I like Milwaukee. M'd have been you
were Milwaukee had the game.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Fine, yeah Milwaukee that didn't go to it, But yeah,
I need to see some more hits.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Not enough.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
That's a cool ballpark too.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
By the way it drove by, it looked amazing.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
It's kind of out in the middle of nowhere. It
would have been people tailgate, but it's cool ballpark. Two
all right, Bengals lose to the Packers twenty seven to eighteen.
Zach Taylor yesterday in the first half of the game.
I don't really look at social media during Bengals games,
but I took a glimpse. Yeah, he was taking a beating,
roasted for the play calling in the game. Play roasted. Yes,

(45:34):
did he deserve it.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
It's so tough to judge because of the situation on
the road at Lambeau. We just talked about it for
five minutes about how unique of a place that is. Obviously,
Packers fans are super loud, and the guy that you're
starting at quarterback was there for four days. I don't
even count the Tuesday because he was riding down and
talking four days and now he's starting in a game

(45:57):
like it's it's just it's really tough. Was it super
underwhelming in the first half? Yeah, it's They stunk four
first downs and three of them came on their final
drive when Evan McPherson's attempting a field goal from heaven.
I mean, that's a really tough, tough ask, and so
I get the frustration, But if you look at it
in a vacuum, I don't think it's an excuse to say, well,

(46:19):
Joe Flacco just got there. And so if they go
out again this week and they suck in the first
half again, well then I am.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Gonna point out Zach Taylor.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
I think on the road Lambeau Packers, good defense. You
don't want to turn the ball over a bunch of
times early and play yourself out of the game. I
get why it was how it was, but I also
don't want to see any dump offster Drew sample behind
the line of scrimmage because that's not gonna work out.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Well. Agree with that I didn't love the first and
the first half game management. They called three timeouts to
gain thirty three yards. They had to scramble to put
Evan in a position to try a sixty seven yarder,
which you feel bad for him because he makes it.
He trilled it, drills, he trilled it. You know, the
one time that you could say, like icing the kicker
were not because they necessarily iced him, but because they

(47:02):
knew if he makes this one, he ain't gonna make
it again. And he didn't. And then you know later
in the game, the same game where he would have
set the all time record for longest field goalie misses,
the one that would have pulled him within six late
I expected. I expected a really rough first half because
it's just throw all the circumstances on the road, decent team,
rest advantage Green Bay. Micah Parsons, who was not a

(47:25):
huge factor yesterday, new quarterback. Like I expected clunkiness in
the first half. That doesn't excuse the way they managed
the end of the first half. I just if you
thought that they were gonna start grabbing pages of the
playbook that they haven't tapped into yet, I think you
were expecting something that was kind of unfair.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Yeah, I thought in the first half, maybe they get
an explosive, maybe Jamar breaks a tackle and takes one. Yeah,
our tee does a te thing and makes a big
play downfield. And that's what I didn't like in something
that needs to evolve starting this week. You have to
find a way to push the ball down the field.
Yes's longest completion, as great as it was in the

(48:02):
second half, his longest completion of the game, nineteen yards,
It's got to be like thirty nine yards minimum to
allay against the Steelers, you know, Like, yeah, part of
why you get Joe Flaccos so he can push the
ball down field. And so that to me is on Zach.
How do you create some explosive plays. I need to
see that. I also need first half points and first
half touchdown. Do you can you remember the last first

(48:25):
half touchdown that the Bengals have had this year Jacksonville
Joe Burrow four yard pass, Yeah to Jamar Chase against
Jacksonville in that first half.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
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I mean, don't.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Have to go.

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between two and five and three and four seems massive
and it feels like it's it's more than one game.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
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Speaker 1 (50:29):
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The James and Mo Football Show. We're gonna get into
everything that happened around the AFC North coming up in
just a bit, but we.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Turned the page quickly.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Man Bengals and Steelers on Thursday Night at home. Cincinnati
was slaughtered by Pittsburgh in their own building last year.
Got their come up in this week eighteen last season.
Another primetime game. The different between two and five which
is what the Bengals would fall to if they lose
on Thursday, and three and four with a little bit

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more time before their next game feels massive.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
It's massive in every way. It's massive from a oh
you're still in it standpoint, Yeah, your season is still alive,
and let's start there. It's a kitchen sink game. M
Zach Taylor has to throw everything at Mike Tomlin and
the Steelers. Joe Flacco has to get his twelfth career
win against Pittsburgh like they they have to get this
game because if they don't, what are we gonna be

(51:31):
talking about next Monday? Should you trade Trey Hendrickson? Should
you go down this path of getting rid of some
of these guys that are are win now players, And
there's gonna be draft questions and we're gonna be doing
that in October. I don't want to be doing that
in October. No, I want to be talking about meaningful football.
And so whatever Zach Taylor and Joe Flacco and these

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guys have to do to get a win, they have
to do it to keep their season alive.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Joe Flacco may be a Bengal for a couple of months,
and who knows those where this season is gonna go.
But if you beat the Pittsburgh Steelers under these circumstances,
Joe Flacco is a chance to be a Bengals hero forever.
I still think of Ryan Finland, yes, in those terms, right.
Ryan Finley never played another NFL game after that game
against the Steelers in twenty twenty. He completed seven passes
last night. Maybe they didn't win it because of him,

(52:18):
but Joe Flacco is a chance to be either a
footnote in Bengals history or somebody we go. Hey, that career,
which was a terrific career. It included a prime time
win over the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Remember when they traded for Joe Flacco and then the
next week he beats the Steelers and keeps the Bengals
season alive. Yeah, and they have all these other winnable
games coming up, and suddenly they can go into the
by potentially with a five hundred or better record. Yeah. Like,
that's what we're talking about, is the opportunity to do that.
And so they play the Steelers twice in a month span.
If you're gonna get back into it, you gotta sweep them.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
And you've dug yourself into this hole. But you're right,
Joe Flacco, the Bengals legend is not something I ever
thought of being an option when you think about his
history in his past, and yet he's done in Baltimore.
He led the Browns of the playoffs a couple of
years ago. Now he's got a chance to do something
similar for the Bengals. But it has to start Thursday
Night against Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
And you talk about like re entering the race, it's
keeping the Steelers from running away and hiding in Baltimore.
They're watching their guy, Joe Flacco going, Okay, we're buying
some time from Lamar Jackson. We still feel like we
could be a factor, but we can't if Pittsburgh runs
and hides. Right, So you need Cincinnati to win, if
you're everybody else in the AFC, right, can you let

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Pittsburgh start to be one of those teams that threatens
for a number one seed? Right? That sort of thing.
And so it's it's Thursday Night football, It's Bengals Steelers,
it's a rivalry. There's so much riding on this game.
There's so much riding on this game for Cincinnati. There's
so much riding on this game for a lot of
other teams too.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
For sure, everyone in Baltimore should be wearing their Joe
Flacco jerseys that they bought in ten twenty twelve when
he was Super Bowl MVP. And this is it's really
the only scenario where Mike Tomlin and the Steelers don't
run away with this division. And you're right, instead of
talking about the AFC North, they're talking about AFC number
one seed, and they're talking about are we the class

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of the And they're super talented. The Steelers are awesome.
I mean, they have a really good defensive front. Aaron
Rodgers hasn't turned the ball over. He's getting it to
DK Metcalf. Now they're settling in. There's a tough, tough team,
and that's why it's gonna be tough for the Bengals
to get a win. But they have to get a
win if they're going to keep their season alive. Because
three and four with a tiebreaker over the Steelers, that

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gives you some hope, especially with Joe Burrow rehabbing like
crazy behind the scenes, because it doesn't matter if you're
two and five, what Joe Burrow is doing three and
four with a tiebreaker over the first place team, it
feels like it would matter a bit more.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
It's also the first burst into the national spotlight of
Aaron Rodgers as a Pittsburgh Steeler, right, I mean true,
A few players in the league have been talked about more.
I think everybody is still trying to wrap their brains
around how this is gonna work long term. He has
played fine. He might not be the Aaron Rodgers of old,
but he certainly seems like a somewhat rejuvenated Aaron Rodgers.

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He played well against Cleveland. We were all thinking it
was going to be Burrow versus Rogers. It's a matchup,
and you mentioned this before. You don't get many matchups
where your guy who's been in the league for eighteen
years is less experienced than the dude you're playing against.
Oh and by the way, the guy you're playing against
is going in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's unique. People have caught it the
grandpa bole and all that. You know, all these things,
but look, when two quarterbacks are combined eighty one years
old and both really trying to do the same thing.
Get an AFC North team to the playoffs, and Aaron
Rodgers case. I think a lot of people assume that
the drama would be too much. Well, there hasn't been
any drama. No, it's been quiet. He's gone there and

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he's just played football. And we know what Mike Tomlin's
culture is in Pittsburgh and that's why they've won games.
They've won game yesterday was ugly for most of the
game until it wasn't and then they pull away and
they coast to a very Steelers like victory against the break.
And that's why you gotta be leary on Thursday night.
If you don't start fast, and there's Steelers terrible towers,

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and there will be Steelers terrible tows in the crowd.
They get going, it's gonna be tough. It's gonna feel
like you're going uphill.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
The Bengals played well on the second half offensively with
Joe Flacco after a first half where they were stuck
in the mud that might have been the growing pains
period of the Joe Flacco era. The first half last
week can't be the first half this week. And that environment,
you know, for folks who have maybe never been to
a Bengals Steelers game.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
It might not be.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Fifty to fifty on Thursday, but if the Steelers get going,
it's gonna sound like it and feel like it. And
you know, you wonder if that's snowballs. Also, if the
Bengals don't play from ahead and they need to get
defensive stops and you're doing it against Aaron Rodgers, do
you trust that Bengals defense over the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
I don't think anybody has this.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Both teams want to do the same thing. Like they
are so much more comfortable playing from ahead. Zach Taylor
has talked about that throughout his tenure, and I think
offensively it allows them to be more balanced and not
put pressure on their offensive line.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
They already do that.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Meanwhile, the Steelers, it's just how they play. They want
that defensive front to eat you alive. And if you
have to drop back because you're trailing, that defensive front
is going to eat you alive. And Jaylen Ramsey's playing
really well two and so that's that's the tough part
is can you score one or two touchdowns in the
first half. You haven't scored a first half touchdown since Jacksonville.

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And now I'm asking for two. I'm selfish. I don't
want just one on Thursday night. You need to get
two if you're the Bengals, and and then you can
kind of play your style and have a shot to
beat the Steelers and keep your season alive.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
And it's matched their physicality, which, right, you know it
sounds cliche. I don't know, man, it sounds Are they
more physical than the Steelers? That's that's the thing, right,
I mean like that that part of the game. I
think you often assume advantage Pittsburgh, right, Sure? Are we
making that assumption this going around?

Speaker 4 (57:59):
I am, But I do want to tell you a
secret and everybody a secret. The Bengals offensive line in
the second half played really darn well last night. Did yesterday? Yeah,
they were pretty good. Gave Flacco a chance. Obviously it
was quick game, but that defensive front is really darn good.
So is the Steelers. So it's gonna be similar. But

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outside of one Orlando Brown with where it was just
a straight whiff, I thought they played really well and
held up against a defensive front that's led by Micah
Parsons that's as good as anyone in the league.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
And you have the element of Mike Tomlin saying what
he said about the Flacco trade, which for those who
don't know, he said, Andrew Berry the GM in Cleveland
must be smarter than me, and called the trade shocking
and didn't throw any shade necessarily at the Bengals, in fact,
said the trade made sense, but publicly at least expressed like,
why would they do that? Why would they I'm paraphrasing

(58:56):
him here, we'll play the audio later. Why would they
take a division team and basically try to help them
solve their quarterback issue? And so like there's I don't
know how much of that's a factor in the game,
but that soundbite's going to be played on Thursday, and
in the days leading up to Thursday.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
If I'm a Bengal, I'm like, yeah, we got a guy.
And that's proof right there, because Mike comins like, why
would you give it?

Speaker 1 (59:18):
They were done, it was over, the Bengals weren't gonna win.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
And they had Jake Browning and that's it done, season done,
and you just give him Joe, Give them Joe Flacco,
give them a real quarterback with an offense that has
Jamar Chase and t Higgins and all their weapons like,
that's that's proof. I did a show last week O.
I was like, the Bengals got it right. Not that

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I was banging the drump for Joe Flacco before they
traded for him, but like fifty thousand foot view, I
get why they traded for him. This is confirmation of
that when you have arguably the best coach in the division,
one of the best coaches in the sports, saying what
in the hell are the Browns doing? Ye, why would
they do a pick swapping give the Bengals new life
when they didn't have to do that and they could

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have just out onto Joe Flackham.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
But to me, he's not wrong. Think of this division.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Do you think the Pittsburgh Steelers would ever help the
Bengals solve their biggest problem? Do you think the Steelers
would ever help the Ravens solve their biggest problem? Do
you think the Ravens would help the Steelers solve their
biggest problem? It does kind of fly in the face
of what we've come to accept about the AFC North,
which is these guys hate each other, and so when

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you have that dynamic and then one team says, cool,
we'll help you solve this problem. I could get why
that raised eyebrows, certainly within the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Division, no doubt, And I was surprised initially, Like Mike
Brown's trading with the Cleveland Browns, you and I both
know he has not let that go right, the whole
Cleveland thing, and what they did do is all those
things like that's still irks at them and it should.
And so the Bengals got the better end of the deal.
So he was willing to do it because it was

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hope and it was a chance it might not work out.
But you move back forty picks and from the fifth
round of the sixth round, that's nothing. You gave up
nothing to have a chance keeping your season alive. And
I think that's where Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin doesn't say
this if they give up a third round pick for
Joe Flacco, right, But because they gave up basically nothing
and they get Joe Flacco, Yeah, I get why he

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feels the way he does.

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The Titans have fired former Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan
after a season and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Do you think he resurfaces here?

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
I wouldn't rule it out, and I wouldn't be mad
at it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
I think that it's kind of weird how there's a
significant part of the fan base that looks at, oh,
Brian Callahan, and there's no way you're not asking him
to be head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
No, well, some might, but you're not.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
You know, four, you're not asking him to do that?
Do you What are you asking him to do?

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Have a hand them fixing the offense?

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
That's it? Yeah, yeah, and so certainly possible to help
with that. What role? I'm not sure the other one
that I think is interesting is what happens with Bill
and obviously coach Zack Taylor. There was a scenario where
if Zach Taylor hadn't been so loyal to Jim Turner
after his first season, that Bill Callahan comes here. That

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didn't happen. Do they do that now? After hiring Scott
Peters in March? I would if that happens, like, if
you can get him, do it. But I don't know
if that opportunity is going to present itself. But if
it does, they absolutely should, even if they are a
package deal, because I do think Brian could.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Like when Marvin brought Hugh Jackson back his last.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Year, Everyone's gonna say that, and he was like, no,
Like I made fun of that. We did.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
It was leis than the Bengals. It was like I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Remember special assistant to the head coach or something.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
I mean it was the Baker Mayfield hanting him the football.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Made up a job to remember that as well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
No, I don't think it would be like that. But like,
could it hurt No, No, not at all, not at all.
I don't think it could.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
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We touched on the Steelers a little bit last segment.

(01:05:47):
Pittsburgh did beat Cleveland yesterday Dylan Gabriel not good in
his first shot start. I'm shocked.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Really, that's a tough situation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I asked him to be in second start, second start.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yes, that's still a tough suggestion.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
They're all tough when you're my height.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I'm just saying, the more he looks small, he did like,
that's yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
And when you're not an Laite athlete, he's not Kyler
out there running right, he's not Lamar right, and you
look that small?

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Good luck? Good luck. The more interesting team in the
division lost again yesterday's seventeen to three to the la
Rams the Baltimore Ravens. That's the first time I've watched
the Ravens game where you could hear chance where the
fans want to fire the head coach. Yeah, Cooper Rush started.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
It didn't go well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Can you imagine if the if the Browns had traded it,
they would never do this. Joe Flaco to the Ravens.
See how see how dumb that sounds to Mike Tomlins.
See how dumb it sounds. It's dobe.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
But getting to that, like number one, Mike Tomlin said,
like the Bengals did the right thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
He's not throwing shade at the back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
No, but I could certainly look at it through that
lens and go, why would they They're dead in the water.
What do you offer to help a divisi like I
get that point of view. For not much as a
Bengals fan, I have hatred for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah,
I really don't for the Browns that they haven't been

(01:07:11):
relevant enough at the same time the Bengals have. But
the Bengals and Steelers have played in some high stakes games. Sure,
I've wanted the Bengals to emulate the Pittsburgh Steelers. If
Pittsburgh had a quarterback situation that was dire, I wouldn't
want the Bengals to offer help. I wouldn't want them
to offer a lifeline. So, like, I understand his point
of view.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
You're telling me you don't want to send Jake Browning
to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
I would like to do that if you can guarantee
the whole play Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
But like like Mike Tomlin, whether you love him, hate him,
whether you're somewhere between, sure there are some old school sensibilities.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
There no doubt he plays up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
If you watch Hard Knocks in season last year, he
plays up the AFC North rivalry, no doubt, which is
a fan regardless if you're a fan of the Steelers
or a fan of an out like you want you
want your the the coaches to eat up those aspects
of their job. And so I could understand him going, Dude,
that's a division rival this is the AFC North. We
don't help each other. We don't help each other up.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
And the Browns did, Yeah, they did, and for again
very little. And that's what I keep going. It's one
thing if it's like a real asset, that's gonna be
that it wasn't even a full pick. It was like
the equivalent of like a late sixth round pick right
for Joe Flacco, for a guy who can actually run
the offense and get the ball of the playmakers. And

(01:08:32):
I think Mike Tomlin seriously would be like, we would
roll Jake Browning in the He saw the Joe Flacco
in the second half and he's like, oh, yeah, I
got a problem, Like we got to guard these dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
We didn't even have to guard them before. You could
just be in the vicinity and Jake Browning would throw
it to us.

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
So I'm being a little mean to Jake, but you
get the point is earned, and he's stunk against Pittsburgh.
And Flacco knows Pittsburgh and he's not gonna shy away
from playing the Steelers. So yes, I and guess what
Cleveland played the little little guy Dylan Gabriel over Joe
Flacco could.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Have just kept Flacco with just say I don't think
Baltimore winning the division is implausible.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
It's not. They have an easy schedule and Lamar Jackson's
coming back after their by which they can lick their wounds,
and so they really need the Bengals to win. If
the Bengals win, then the Ravens should be like Kyle
Hamilton's back, Marlin Humphrey is back, like Rokwan Smith is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Back right, Like, I don't think I don't think the
Ravens are.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Cooked well, because if the Steelers lose game on in
the division, dude, like, does nine wins get it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Might? It might?

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
And so if you're if you're the Raven jack we
can still get the nine, right, we can still go
eight and three with Lamar Jackson. Well, for example, if
the Bengals had a soft schedule, they were going into
a bye and you knew Joe Burrow is coming back,
and you knew these other dude, these other stars. Let's
say Trey Hendrickson was coming back. Yeah, you'd be like,
gid y up. Yeah, like got a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
We may do that in December. That's all we're asking
for now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
It's for Joe to get there, right, to get them
there where they're seven and six or whatever it is,
and they have a shot. I haven't done the math
on the schedule, so seven and six, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Do think you look at I think you look at
Baltimore's schedules specifically, which is about to ease up. Yeah,
look at Lamar Jackson coming back, which the that's the
expectation after they're by this week. You look at the
division they're in. I respect the Pittsburgh Steelers, like any
fan should. They don't feel like a team at four
to one that you're like, man, they're gonna go thirteen
and four.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
It just doesn't feel that way.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
No, Now they could nay, but like what if Aaron
Rodgers stubs his toe.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
My take on you know, my take on them is
they are really hard to play. You don't want to
have like anecdotally sure individual.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Week they're hard to play. Yeah, I do not yet,
and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
I do not yet look at them as like, holy crap,
they're gonna win the AFC, or holy crap, they're among
the NFL's E league. They may play their way into
that conversation. They're four and one. At the end of
the day, all that matters is do you win. They're
not blowing teams away offensively. DK metcalf is very good
and had a good game yesterday. They're not lighting the
world on fire. Aaron Rodgers is still old. The Steelers

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have had in recent years, including last year, seasons where
it felt like, Okay, they're about to turn the corner
a little bit, and then they fall apart at the end.
I just I'm not there yet, and until I am,
I will feel like the door is open in the
AFC North. It widens open a little bit more of
the Bengals went on Thursday, it closes a little bit
more of the Bengals lose on Thursday. But I do
think that door is more wide open than an initial

(01:11:37):
glance at the standings might make you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Think, Yeah, I just I look at this, and you
have three games between now and the bye you have
that mini by after this week, you've dropped four straight.
Now you got to go get three straight. You're at
home against three. I think beating the Steelers. I think
it is a winnable game. I agree with you. I
don't think there are many great teams, if any, right now.

(01:12:01):
And yeah, just because Pittsburgh's four and one, Yeah, like
what are they?

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
I don't know if they're a true super Bowl contender.
So go beat them, and then you have the Jets
and Bears and then a bye and then the Steelers again.
Like you can play yourself right back into it. Yeah,
but you're not playing yourself back into it if you're
two and five and then you have the Jets and
the Bears, because then even if you split it with Pittsburgh,
then you're five and five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Then we're doing the exact same thing we did last
year without Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
It's just Thursday. Yeah, gotta get it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
I said to you in that segment we did. Can
I let the listeners in on what was going on
in that last segment?

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Do it? Do it? So?

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
The folks at NFL Films were here yes to record
for Thursday Night Football, and they wanted us to talk
up the Bengals Steelers game, So everything I think we
said was true.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
We may have been playing it up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
But what I said at the top of that segment
that I don't know if they'll use, is the different
between two and five and three and four feels for
the Bengals massive massive.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
I should have been like Aaron Rodgers versus Joe Flacco,
two Hall of Famers. I should have just went on
Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Champions that last year they came and film the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Football really missed that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Bengals played the Ravens right. They We were at the
Florence location and they came and did the same thing.
But they they thought we didn't sell it enough, so
we did a fake segment for him that they used
four seconds of like if you find the broadcast, they
show Tony talking and like me staring at him, it's
gonna be the other way, no, like and which I

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didn't bother me at all, but it's like they shut
up and and folks are like, man, that that really
didn't sound like something you know, you would say, And
I'm like, no, that wasn't really that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
That segment we did was I think.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
In the ballpark of what I wanted to do, but
we we laid it on pretty thick.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
For the just a little bit, a little bit, a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
I have no problem pulling back the curtain if.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
This happens again. I'm standing on the table. It's Bengals,
it's Steelers. It's forty one versus forty. Is Aaron Marge
forty one or is he older? Oh man?

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
I think so? Oh man, man, geez, So what what's
that like? When the Bengals played in the first championship
game a couple of years ago, I did sucks Uh.
CBS came in and they basically asked me to do that. Yeah,
they basically asked me to And I'm like, that's not
the kind of show that I do. Like basically like
yelling scream about Jamar Chase and the Steelers and Jalen

(01:14:35):
Ramsey and Jamar Chase.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
We haven't even gotten there yet.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
We think you think, like Jamar Chase could get into
a fight with Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
I think he would beat the Jamar is such a freak,
Like there aren't many people that should want to mess
with Joan because he he wouldn't even have to try.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Most of the time. Right, he's just different.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Sign up for that, sign me up for a fight.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
I've gotten dirty looks from jamar I want to be
on the other end, would you look for Oh no,
not like like yesterday he's walking back after a loss
and he turns and it's sure pissed off, you know,
so nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
It wasn't mad at you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
No, he's just mad. But I wouldn't want to be
on the other end if he was mad.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Specifically, we want to talk about players who have gotten
mad at you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
We can remember when Marcus Hunt turned me down for
an interview.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Oh, we had fun with that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
What are you doing, Marcus?

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
What is Marcus doing these days? Teaching shot put?

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Probably?

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
I remember we made fun of that for.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
And Marcus Hunt, who knows what he wanted to I've
gotten over it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Who nobody wanted to talk to turning down an interview requestion?

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
No, no, I got to work on my my past
rush moves that I never developed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
But there was a segment of the fan base that
talked themselves into markets. Oh my god, Well I wasn't
among them. No, me neither.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
We took a shot put guy in the second round.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Me the second Remember that that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
And the thing was, well, you know, once he learns
how to play the game, like, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
You took that that guy in the second round?

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Point that was the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
He blocked a few kicks, like cool, that's nice. He
ever sacked the quarterback. Well, he's busy throwing the shot put.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
They thought that he could throw the shot put at quarterbacks.
That might be more effective than the Bengals pass rush
without Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Yeah, well, hopefully they have him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
They if no Trey and no Chamar this week, they
might have to call.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
I think they're gonna have Shamar.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Yeah, and I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Full today on that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
I mean, he's good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
I'm sold for I watched Shamar.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Stewart look like a guy who's gonna have an impact. Yea,
and they badly need somebody who can make an impact.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
I wanted I want to take you through an exercise
that we went through last week during the five o'clock
hour when we look at this team's roster. And uh,
I'm gonna guess, as you made the voyage to Wisconsin,
you didn't get a chance to watch Saturday's barn Burner
at Nippert Stadium. All right, broadcast sounded great. It Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
We'll talk about the Bearcats coming up as well.

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Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
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Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
It's great to be here.

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Of course, thanks for having me, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Know, I think there's been a tone of optimism today
regarding what happened with the Bengals. Yesterday, So no.

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Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Right, let's go. I'll do what I can. I brought
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Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
We're in Florence next week.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
So I asked you before about Al Golden's defense, and
the answer was Essentially, they just don't have enough. Guy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
So we were talking about this last week.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
I casting aside the rookies because they're rookies. So Shamar Stewart,
who hopefully plays Thursday, yep, Dylan Fairchild, Demetrious Night, Barrett Carter,
that crew.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Put those aside. I can't find five players. I'm excited
about being on the scene next year.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Is that unfair?

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Put the rookies aside?

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
But the rookies is everybody else?

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Okay? So I know Burrow cool Jamar, like, give me five,
five players? All right? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Hold five.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
I can do this, okay, Burrow JAMARTI sure there's three. Okay,
Tray's not under contracts. I can't use any correct Okay.
I'm just making sure. DJ Turner you can't get there yet,
not there yet, Dax Hill, you can't get there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Yet, not there yet.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
This is tough, now, you see you're making it tough.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
Hold on, Chase Brown. I guess you don't think he's good.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
I think he's good. I don't pin their struggles running
the football on him. Sure, I think he's been used
to the best of his capability. Yeah, I'm not a
I'm certainly not opposed of him being on the team
next year, But I can't tell you that, like I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Excited about him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Evan McPherson, give you Evan McPherson. So I'm at four close.
William Wagner the long snip.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
No, I am just kidding.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
I'm just kidding. Sorry, woy uh hold on. Taking the
rookies out makes it tough. Cam Taylor brit didn't make
the cut, definitely not. I'm shocked that he did not.
You gave me two.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Guys who I will allow for the possibility that within
a few weeks they're on that list.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Yes, Dax and DJ Turner.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Yeah, not there yet, okay, no offense, not under contract.
Drew Sample doesn't make that gun. No, Mike Geess sick,
he doesn't make that cut. That contract feels so that
feels rough.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Right, Maybe there are five? Are there ten? No?

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
Now, if you're taking out the rookies, no, which puts
a hell of a lot of pressure on that rookie class.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Right, and Shamar Stewart and Demetrius Knight and Barrett Carter
and Dylan Fairchild may end up making up one of
the great draft classes the Bengals have ever.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
Had Marius Mimms, I forgot about him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
I am there with the Marius Mims, but I'm not.
I don't feel as definitively good about him as I
thought I would toward the end of last season.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
You know what I want to see from him. I
need a little nastiest, little nastiness.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
I think he's like super talented and gifted, doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
It it's not as nasty too nice.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
I don't know if that's the right word, because he
might throw me in the bushes next time he excues me,
so like, like, I know he's capable of being like that,
but I just, you know, like I don't know if
he's as nasty as you want your franchise franchise right
tackle be doesn't mean he's not capable of being that. Yeah,
and I do think he is, but you get what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
I do get what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
And in the run game, especially, like do you think
you can go run behind a Marius Mimms?

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
You know, it feels to me like he's gonna have
a quality tenure in Cincinnati. But I'm never gonna look
at him and go boys playing like a first round.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
Pick I'm not there yet. Yeah, I'm not there yet,
but because I think he's just so physically gifted. But
like Shamar, I know he's nasty. It doesn't take long
and then you know like, oh he's got some of
that to him, right, Like it it took pre draft
when I found out, like, oh Samar could be the pick.

(01:23:41):
Go look, it's like, oh he's got some nstiness to him. Yeah,
And so we'll see if it translates. It's translates. It
doesn't mean he's gonna be a better player than a
mariusms but at some of these positions, that's what you want,
m H. You need that trait to be great, and
I'm not sure that that's there all the way, and
I don't know how much you can teach that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
So I guess the overall point of the exercise, whether
it's can find five, can five ten, is this, you're
supposed to be in a championship window right now with
Joe Burrow, and that that window for this year doesn't
feel open unless you believe one hundred percent that he's
going to be able to play in playoff games that
the Bengals qualify for largely without them. So they're supposed

(01:24:21):
to be in this championship window? Yeah, can you win
a championship with the roster is currently constructed now? From
year to year, there's obviously always changes, but it feels
like like it feels like a rebuild, Like it feels
like they got a rebuild ginormous chunks of their roster.
So next year is gonna be year seven of Joe,

(01:24:42):
The year after that year eight, like he's not under
contract forever.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
And so I guess it's like, you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Wonder, can you legitimately win a championship in the window
they're supposed to win a championship in if we're talking
about them having to do a rebuild during it?

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Yeah, well this is why they're here, is the draft
and what they've done or haven't done. So you said
exclude rookie, So I'm just gonna go to last year's draft.
Marius Mims. We have questions about him, but good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Player, Marius Mems. I expect to be on the team
next year and only get better.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
So yes, Chris Jenkins Junior. I think he's shown some signs. Sure, fine,
not great, not pro bowler, but fine. After that. Jermaine
Burton McKinley Jackson, Eric All, Josh Newton, Tanner McLaughlin, Cedric Johnson, Johnson,
Dejoon Anthony, Matt Lee. So they have all of those
picks that they use ten draft picks. After the second round,

(01:25:36):
you're looking at what Josh Newton you feel good about?
Eric All you don't because of his health, Cedric Johnson injured,
Dejon Anthony injured, Matt Lee, we haven't seen it. Four
m never Dress, Jermaine Burton. Yeah, McKinley Jackson are non factors,
Like that's what gets you there, Like there should be
three or four guys on this list of ten draft

(01:25:58):
picks that are part of the twenty twenty six excitement,
and it's not. Yeah, like that should be impossible when
you have ten swings. And that's why when all these
people say, oh, well they need more swings, it's like, man,
I think they completely overthought this draft somehow and they
took the wrong swings. So I just get it right

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in this year's rookie class feels much better than that. Yes,
I am in with six picks.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
I'll feel more this way if Shamar Stewart plays as
soon as possible and shows flashes. Yes, I absolutely believe
this draft class can yield some really good players. The
problem is if I go back to twenty twenty one
and go from twenty one to twenty two, twenty three
to twenty four, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Rough Miles Murphy, Jordan Battle, Charlie Jones, Chase Like the
twenty three draft is DJ Turner and Chase Brown and
Andre Joseabash. Really like Charlie Jones is a contributor, but
he's been hurt. Miles Murphy, No, where's he at?

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
I mean so all right, And that's another guy that's
an example of and I like Miles a lot. The
nastiness isn't there, doesn't feel like it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
It doesn't feel like it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
So all right, acknowledge that there have been either draft
missteps or mistakes or just swings and misses, whatever you
want to call it. Like it feels like with the
roster itself, they have so much heavy lifting to do
that you can't talk about them in championship terms, in

(01:27:32):
that window that they're supposed to be winning championships. Like
even this year, before the season started, I think most
of us said playoff team. I don't know many of
us who said they have a chance to be among
the absolute elite in this sport, which was a reflection
of the roster. Yeah, but you thought they were a
playoff team because they had Joe.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
It was more like in the playoffs, you have Joe
jamar t go take a shot, right, you keep trying, Yeah,
like you have against anyone, not that you have the
best rock. We knew the Ravens had a better roster,
without question. We knew the Bills had a better lester.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Question.

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
We knew that there are multiple The Eagles obviously have
a better roster, and we could go on and on
the Chiefs. Everyone talks about all the Chiefs they don't
have a pretty darn good roster. Yeah, they do, like
the roster is talented.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Yes, So I guess the question is when do we
start to talk about the Bengals being legitimate championship contenders?

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Again, well, it's twofold one. Maybe some of these guys
do play their way into that. Maybe that's looking less
and less likely, but maybe six weeks from now, you're like, oh,
Dylan Fairchild to the future Pro Bowls takes all right,
you know, and in Orlando Brown Junior has been better

(01:28:45):
and more consistent.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Now you just mentioned all offensive guys, no, no doubt,
but DJ Turner, Dax Hill.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
I think we kind of know about Miles, like where
he's going to be. I do we know about Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
I'm good my suspicions. Now it feels like we know.
Yeah he's a guy. Yeah he's okay, Okay, yeah, Cam
Taylor Britt they've benched multiple times.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Now, I think we know, and he's not under contract.
And so when you put this conversation together, combined with
our conversation earlier in the show, the significance of Thursday,
that's exactly why we're having a much, much different conversation.
That's if they lose Thursday versus if they went so

(01:29:34):
part of this, by the way, Logan Wilson didn't even
cross either of our minds. No, that's a problem because
they invested big money in it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
And this was going to be the defense that allowed
Logan Wilson to shine, and he's playing less and less
so many and I heard this last week, Well, the turnaround,
the rebuild doesn't have to it doesn't have to take forever.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Yeah, and the Bengals in the early part of.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
The decade prove that because they had quarterback under a
rookie contract, Jamar and t obviously under rookie contracts, so
they could just take money and throw it at the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
And they nailed it. I mean they you could say,
people did say they.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Overpaid for DJ Reader. It was worth it, yes, And
folks weren't sure about Trey Hendrickson the greatest free agent
acquisition in the history of the franchise, and kind should
obey Woozia better than you know? Was it William Jackson, Well, yeah,
and Woozya and Mike Hilton right, like Mike Hilton Von Bell,
like a whole slew of guys, some of whom the
market would tell you they overpaid. Well, they're not going

(01:30:26):
to be able to do that this go around, so
they have to nail it with an entire draft class,
which maybe they did this year. But it's I've bought
up the I can't identify five players, and maybe I'm
being a little bit unfair. Maybe it should be more
about ten. But either way, when you're having a hard

(01:30:47):
time identifying who the players moving forward are should be
moving forward, then you talk about a rebuild. And when
you talk about a rebuild, you kind of talk about
starting from not scratch. Because you have Joe, but still
you're starting from a you know, starting from not the
first floor that saved, the second to third floor. But
when rebuild and Super Bowl window, those aren't terms that

(01:31:08):
are used at the same time. So when are they
going to be able to contend for a championship.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
Again, Well, let's talk. Let's just to your point real quick.
I looked at the twenty twenty two Bengals roster, like
who we'd be excited about. I'm just gonna go starters,
Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T. Higgins. Right, you're excited about
all of those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
This is twenty two, which was a twelve and four team.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
Cordell Wilson was a rookie, but yes, Alex Kappa excited
for sure. A really good year. Ted Carris, I think
you've become.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
All those offensive linemen they got.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
Yeah, Sam Hubbard has his career year, the Hubbard yard Dash.
You feel good about him, DJ Reader feel good about him.
I think bj Hell and Trey Hendrickson, you feel good
about those guys, right, Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt. Chatobea
woozy is coming off the ACL but he was playing
really darn good before that. Yeah, and then you have
Jesse Bates, which of course he was departing his agency.

(01:32:00):
That's just starters. It's like half the starters that you're like, oh,
that's pretty good. I didn't include von Bell there by
the way I didn't, which you could have at that time.
I would say, that's that's what's tough. Is to your
point is that they're so top heavy now and those
guys are there, but what's behind them isn't as good,
doesn't have as high as ceiling, doesn't have the experience,

(01:32:21):
isn't as good down to down, isn't his consistent, and
it's just much shakier. And that's why we've seen the
inconsistencies even when Joe is out there. That's why they
can't get a stop when they need to stop. That's
why they can't block last year.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Yeah. Yeah, So I don't like to do this when
everybody is excited about their chances of beating Pittsburgh on
Thursday based on how they played yesterday. But even if
you feel like this season, this season is still salvageable,
and I do, and even if you feel like you
know what, there's a glimmer of hope because of how
Joe Flacco played yesterday and the schedule is about to

(01:32:55):
ease up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
And I agree with those things.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
They are in what we thought was going to be
their chancempionship window, right, And Okay, so Burrow gets hurt,
There's only so much you can do about that. But
Burrow getting hurt gives you all more of a reason.
I guess to look at the roster and there's just
not a lot of there there. And when there's that
much uncertainty or those that many holes, I don't know

(01:33:18):
how you fix them all. In that window between now
and when Joe's contract.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Expires, this we need to bring the NFL film sky batter.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
I am not bringing the energy I did for that
segment an hour ago.

Speaker 6 (01:33:31):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
The reason why I'm saying that is because, as you're
playing this out and talking through this, the difference in
two and five and three and four could be era defining. Yeah,
because if they fall to two and five and they
just kind of play out the string and they're in
that spot and they're selling off a few pieces before
the November fourth trade deadline, which ticktiktik is getting close, Yeah,

(01:33:51):
it feels much different than they're in it and they
have a chance, and they're going to try to do
this on the fly still, and these young pieces could
come together st like. It's a big difference. We're talking
about coaches that are jobs on the line, players who
could be shipped out of here, all of those things,
and it's in my mind, really dependent on what happens Thursday.

(01:34:11):
It doesn't mean that you sell everything Friday, right, but
you're going in that direction now, like, and you should
in that pivot should be pretty real. So that's it's
a hell of a place to be. And that's what
happens when you don't draft well and you're not structuring
contracts the way you should T and Jamar and in
the middle of free agency you're focused on T and
jmar and not getting free agent additions on your copy

(01:34:35):
defense and or offensive line.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
Twenty after five o'clock twin Peaks in Westchester, we'll hear
a little bit of Zach Taylor, as well as what
Mike Tomlin had to say about the Bengals acquiring Joe Flacco.
I want to come back to something you just said
there as well. We'll spend a few minutes on the
Bearheads two between now and six o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty.
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Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Exeven five o'clock works when the peaks in Westchester. James
and Moe Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. Zach Taylor
talked earlier today, well before our show, so we did
not have the contractually obligated airing of Zach Taylor's press conference,
which meant this show wasn't at the mercy of you
guys asking questions.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Sometimes you guys go too long. I'm just gonna tell.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
You me, you, but just me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
Sometimes it's like, Okay, you've done this fifteen minutes. You're
gonna talk to you again two days. Can we can
we kind of move forward here?

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
You know what you're doing to me? Now, next time
I'm in a Zach Taylor press conference, I'm gonna ask
four more questions to bother you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
If that press conference is at twelve o'clock, I don't
care if it's a three three and it's messing my
life up.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Yep, every three o'clock. Oh, this is gonna be over.
Welcome into overtime with Zach Taylor. Yeah, Zach, do you
want the ball or not? Drive into work today? I'll
kick it? He said, Noah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
That was Zach Taylor did yesterday that I loved. I
am a big proponent of When he went for two,
sure right, put some pressure on. Cut it to eight,
go for two. Put pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
There was real pressure. It's like, man, if they get
the ball back.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
I was happy that Zach Taylor raised that way of thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
And Joe flacka with a great play.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
It was probably his best playing the game.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Greed.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Yeah, all right, So what about injuries? What about the
guys who are hurt? What about Trey Hendrickson and Mica
Sicky and Marius Mims who came out yesterday for a bit.
Here's Zach Taylor on the hurt players.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
Injuries Tree.

Speaker 12 (01:37:15):
We'll see what you know early in the week Monday.
We'll have to give it kind of a day to
day listing here and see where there are a lot
of guys that are sore.

Speaker 10 (01:37:23):
Just here.

Speaker 12 (01:37:26):
He'll be out for this game for sure. Get more
information now, just got to pick it's it's gonna be
a while. We'll just see what that means. Marius should
be good to go. Sam Mars progressing back, so we'll
get a chance to We don't do a lot of
full speed work this week, but I'm optimistic.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
And then you got Lucas in some practices last week.

Speaker 12 (01:37:48):
Yeah, he's a good We'll just continue to make a
decisions on that. But from a physical standpoint, he's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Yes, gets thin quickly there.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
What's kind of your idea of the approach to.

Speaker 12 (01:38:04):
Take as that group, Tanner King, you still got three
other ones, you know, three that that played for us.
So Kam mc granny's been up and down over the
course of the season last season, so still have three
guys there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
All right, There you go, Zach Taylor on injuries. Now
here is the Bengals head coach on his and the
staff's willingness to lean on rookies a little bit more.

Speaker 12 (01:38:24):
Yeah, I mean that's both sizeable. You know, our two
starting guards have been rookies. So again, we're not going
to hesitate to play guys that we can have a
lot of potential for us. And there's got to be
some growing pains there. But all the guys that we
have are are They're intelligent guys. It's important to them,
they're mature, and so we're gonna get them out there,

(01:38:44):
and they've earned it. It's not like we're just saying, hey,
we're gonna play young guys that happen to earned the opportunity.
These guys have earned the opportunity to shown us that
there's a lot of potential there and that they're capable
of doing it and helping us win. And so that's
why we have.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
Them out there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
I one more on how much more they can throw
a Joe Laco. Given the fact that his next game
comes during a short.

Speaker 12 (01:39:04):
Week, you'd be surprised, you know, we're capable of But
now that we know what he understands and how quickly
he hits his brain, it makes sense to him. And
now we've seen him operate in our offense with our
players and how he takes to that. I think he
really enjoys throwing of these guys. And so again we'll
continue to press the envelope.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
We don't want to overwhelm.

Speaker 12 (01:39:24):
We don't want to get to a point of diminishing
your turns where now we got too much and we're
forgetting what this means and that means. But I think
he's shown that he's capable of taking on a little
bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
All right, there you go, Zach Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Now we referenced this before, but I wanted to play
the audio so you had the context. Mike Tomlin talked
with the media in Pittsburgh, and obviously they're getting set
to play the Bengals with Joe Flacco instead of the
Bengals with Jake Browning. Joe traded by the Browns six
days ago to Cincinnati. Here's what Mike Tomlin had to
say about that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.

Speaker 11 (01:39:59):
Andrew bart he must be a lot smarter than me
or us, because it doesn't make sense to me to
trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make
your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting
in that area. But that's just my personal feelings.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
I love it. I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
And he would go on to say that the Bengals
did the right thing. This was not like Tomlin throwing shade,
so to speak, at the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
No, he's saying the Browns are idiots for giving the
Bengals a lifeline.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
I don't blame him for his perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
No, it makes say harder.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
Yeah, they roll Jake Browning right, Yes, I was dreading
watching the Steelers play against Jake Browning in person.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
Jake Browning under pressure again and he goes down for
a sack or pick six or Jalen Ramsey chases like
all those things. And they may happen with Joe Flacco. Sure,
we have a much better chance. And that's why you
get those comments from Mike Tomlin. He does not make
those comments. Joe Flacco is in a significant upgrade in
his eyes, because why would he Why would you make

(01:41:06):
this comments unless you thought that Joe Flacco could still
play you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
You used two words in our last segment that I
jotted down because I want to ask you about them
when we come back to Twin Peaks.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
I don't know what those are.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
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Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Yep, you're going to pull it up.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Yeaho's on it. All right.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
We'll go over this lengthy list here. Dylan Fairchild practiced
in full. Today's a full practice that they do like
a walkthrough nothing. This is an estimated practice.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Is who would have been able to go had they
actually practiced?

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
Yep, let's go with the d NPS. Mike Asiki, Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
Get Sicki's out for a while, BJ Hill.

Speaker 4 (01:42:53):
Rest, Tanner Hudson concussion, Charlie Jones ribs, I know he
was in pain yesterday after the game. And then three
full practices and for a Marius Mems, Lucas Patrick and
Shamar Stewart and like I said, Dylan Fairchild fool on
the estimated practice report. So Chamar and Jim Shamarin, Dylan
feels like that they might be able to suit up

(01:43:13):
on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
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ESPN fifteen thirty at three pm. There are two count
of two Monday night football games tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Oh, by the way, one other NFL note.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Former Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan fired by the Tennessee Titans,
Bills and Falcons. Brian can watch two games tonight Bills
and Falcons in Atlanta. He can also listen to it
on ESPN fifteen thirty. Bears and Commanders that is going
to be on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. We started the
show by talking about the passing of Jim Kelly, the

(01:43:46):
iconic UC color man twenty seventeen Hall of Fame inductee
at UC, terrific football player for the Bearcats and from
Mohler High School, passed away late last night. Jim had
been battling cancer. Our best wishes to Jim's wife, Sarah,
his four sons, and his grandchildren. Max Fletcher, UC punter
named to the Big Twelve Special named the Big Twelve

(01:44:08):
Special Teams Player of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
He was terrific.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
You see, Special Teams were awesome on Saturday. Bearcats are
twenty fourth in both major polls for the first time
since November of twenty twenty two. Ohio State maintains the
top spot. Indiana up to three after the Hoosiers road
victory against Oregon. You could hear the Marx Tubes Radio
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(01:44:34):
Mariners and Blue Jay Seattle up one oh Game one
in Milwaukee between the Dodgers and Brewers for the NL title.
James Rapenaz here, we were talking before about the difference
on Thursday between the Bengals winning and going three and four,
and then it's kind of game on at that point
and losing and falling to two and five, and then it's,

(01:44:56):
oh boy, where do you go from here? And you
mentioned Trey Hendricks and because I'm sure we will start
talking a lot more intensely about where he may go
and what the Bengals may do with him if they lose,
But you also use the term few pieces meaning other
players they could possibly move. Yep, who are those pieces?

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
Well, not that they're gonna get a lot, right, but
like Cam Taylor Britt, shouldn't they be calling wunaruma right
now and wondering if he wants to reunite with Cam.
He's reunited with multiple former Bengals already. Jermaine Pratt, I
would take.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
A Mike vander Jack signed Jersey for Cam Taylor.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
Brit But they need corners in that back, you know,
like maybe you combine them, Maybe you do Logan Wilson
and Cam Taylor Britt for like a fifth round pick.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
Yeah, no, I would do it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
I mean yes, from a Bengals perspective, Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
I'm just giving you scenarios of guys that would certainly
be on the block, and there are others. I mean,
if you're tearing it down, do you need no fan No?
You know, like like that's.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Kind of like a lot of injury issues a tight
end right now right now.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
But I'm saying trade deadline ahead of the trade deadline,
any of those guys on one year deals you're having
a discussion about, and.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
So, yeah, Joe Flacco.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
Oh goodness, that would be the most they get a call.
It's like, we want a fourth round pick.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
We won a four.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
What realistically, if.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Things continue to go awry, realistically, what could they get
in return for Trey Hendrickson at this stage?

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
Dalton Reisner is another one, just as something that who
knows for Trey. I think realistically you could get it
too second round that much. I think realistically teams get desperate.
Mohammed Sanu was once traded for a second round pick. True,
and so if you need something and it's the deadline

(01:46:58):
and it's need and all right, AJ McCahon was almost
traded for a second and a third. Remember that day,
I do. I was the most excited maybe I've ever been.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
I remember it well.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
So a two because if you're the Bengals, you could
say you're not getting them, You're not getting them. You're
not getting them, You're not getting them. And if a
team really needs a pass rusher, reasonable contract free agent
at the end of the year, as good of one
as you're gonna find on the market, I think you
get a two.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
They have three games between now and the deadline, which
is the fourth November fourth, November fourth, So three games
between now and then, if they win two of the
next three and they're four and five and they get
that offer a two for Trey Hendrickson at four and five,
which means they will have won two of the next

(01:47:49):
three four and five, they will still be in the
thick of things at least for a playoff spot. Yep.
Should they pull the trigger in trade trade four and five?

Speaker 4 (01:48:00):
How is such a big factor here? How they got
to four and five, what's going on around them, how
Joe Burrow is progressing. How they feel about the state
of things moving forward. Do they feel like they're going
to be seven and five and have good vibes or
does it feel like they're four and five clinging on
still and you usually know, like you usually know which way.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
It's gonna go.

Speaker 4 (01:48:21):
Yeah, last year, because you had Joe, you held out
hope until the Steelers did what they did in December.
I felt like that the Bengals still had a shot
and they were four and seven and during that game.
So I think they'll still feel like they have a shot.
Knowing them, but if you're two and five, I already know,

(01:48:41):
like it's already done to me. To me, I don't
think they'll feel that way.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
So two and five, and then they still beat the Jets, still,
you know, handle business at home against the Chicago Bears
a little.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Bit momentum four and five.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
You still feel like if that offer were to be presented,
a two for Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
Trigger still lean that way. Yes, I do. And it's
because of all the things we talked about earlier in
the hour of where this roster is, where it needs
to be, what they need to do, all the things.
They're so top heavy, and at some point you need
to get something for one of those chips so you
can be and they're gonna have to draft. Well, but

(01:49:21):
guess what every team.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Has to draft? Well like that, just.

Speaker 4 (01:49:25):
Yeah, give it's a bare minimum that you have to
do get your draft picks right. Well, yeah, that's true.
So it can change in a hurry. Think about how
we thought about the twenty twenty team and then twenty
one and twenty twenty two. It can change in a hurry. Right,
you have to start pressing the right buttons, and that
has not been the case consistently enough over the past
few years.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
You know who's pressing the right buttons. Scott Ciderfield, big
twelve Coach of the Year. His team is now five
and one ranked in both major pleas. We're gonna say
tarm Bland term Bland always presses the right buttons, which
is it's been nice because the guy he took over
for bum. I'm guessing you were en route to Green
Bay on Saturday. I was so didn't get a chance

(01:50:02):
to dive into Cincinnatis.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
It was a weird game.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
I listened to some of it, but there was a
lot of a lot of people in the car. So yes, yes,
weird game. The weird game.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
You CEF had a seventeen play drive that ended a punt.
They ran fifty I think in the second half fifty
seven plays in the second half you see ran like
forty four for the game. Yep, you never felt like
UCF was going to win. But the performance itself from
the the Bearcats. The defense was on the field for
way too much. The offense kind of spun its tires,

(01:50:31):
you know, specifically starting with the play where Sores be
tripped over a guy and they had to settle for
a field goal. In the second half, I think you
see had thirteen snaps up until their final drive. The
special teams was awesome. But they are three and zero
in the Big Twelve. Yep, they are ranked. And the
arrow was pointed upward as we say.

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
I love it. Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
One.

Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
This is the beauty of a starting fast. Yeah, because
if you hit a little mid game, it's okay. There's
wiggle room and you don't feel like the world is
gaving in.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
And so that's a good example of that. But no,
I think it's fun. Yeah, Bearcats football is fun again. Yeah,
and that's a great place to be. I'm not thinking
about the CFP like some or winning the Big Twelve.
I'm not there. No, I'm like, man, they're twenty fourth
in the country and it's a beautiful thing. Yeah, and
that's that's great. It's been fun to watch them this year,

(01:51:23):
and I hope that continues because they've I mean, that
was a weird it was a weird tea. It wasn't
necessarily fun that day. Yeah, but it's been fun over
all to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
Yeah. Look, UCF isn't great. I'm not sure how good
Iowa stay it is. Colorado beat them, Kansas I think
is okay. They don't play Texas Tech, they don't play
the team that I think unequivocally looks like the best
in the Big twelve. I think the thing for me
that I like Chad and I were talking about this
before you and I went on the air. The special
team's play is so dramatically better. It was such a

(01:51:53):
weakness last year. It's so much better this season. I
think this is also the first year where in every
phase they bring Big twelve caliber athletes to the table. Yes,
so they don't get pushed around. Their offensive line is
an asset, one of the very best in the country.
I think from a size and speed and physicality perspective,
they no longer look outmanned, and so last year it

(01:52:16):
fell apart right they were five and two, and then
you know, the Big twelve kind of caught up to them.
The lack of explosiveness on the outside kind of caught
up to them. I don't think that's gonna happen this year.
I'm not telling you they're going to run the table.
I don't think they will, But I feel like they're
just from a personnel perspective, better equipped to handle what
the league is going to throw at them in the
second half of the season.

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
I think you're right, and that's what you're seeing is
you win a game where you don't play well really
and you're able to win it ugly, but you still
win it. And a couple of weeks ago when it's
down the stretch and you're like, ah, man, these are
games they've lost for them to start to pull those

(01:52:57):
out for sores b to make plays like he has
that big plays early in the game the other day.
This team plus the special teams, they can actually kick. Yeah,
we don't have to like uh huh sweat everything, you know,
Like that's what like.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
We talk about this with the Bengals sometimes and Evan
McPherson and granted he missed one yesterday, but like it
informs your play calling, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
Sure it informs your quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
Player where it's like I don't have to play hero
ball because I've got the three points in my back. Pop.

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
Yeah it's huge.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile, Luke Fickle lost thirty seven nothing, still
has a job for now. And James Franklin over the
next six years is gonna earn twenty two thousand, eight
hundred and thirty one dollars per day to not work.
That's a beautiful thing. These college football people like honors
the players making too much.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
These coaches can.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Suck and never beat anybody good and get paid dozens
of millions of dollars to go away.

Speaker 4 (01:53:47):
He's getting a Chevy Malibu a day to not coach
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
Eight hundred thirty one dollars a day to do nothing.
James Franklin, the greatest rocket going.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
You think I could go to his banking back? My
name's James. You think that'll work?

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Best of what?

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
I'll just have a puzzled book on my face and
I'll put I'll wear this ad set. I'll definitely think
I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
I can't thank you enough for doing this. Of course
you'll be with me in Florence next week and I
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