10/28/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Up at four oh five.

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Full show preview is available on Twitter at moegg thanks
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is here though, who liked me. Stayed up to watch
the eighteen inning baseball game Game three of the World Series,
and we both look like it.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, don't, don't, don't look or field great, but we're
but we're here to do it. Powering through right now,
I've got I did. I stopped and picked up the
extra coffee on the way. I needed the extra jolt.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I was feeling it, Yeah, I was feeling but I'm
ready now I'm good.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
At what point were you like me? Did you start
just rooting for the game to never end?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Absolutely, I would say, well, first of all, I did it.
This is the only reason it was possible. I slept
from like the eighth inning to like the thirteenth. Oh okay, okay, right,
and not even knowing that. When you wake up and
the World Series is that far.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
In, I'm like, okay, I'm in.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'll stick around to see how this ends, right, And
next thing you know, I'm like, I guess, I guess
I'm doing no sleep like that, because then I'm investing,
because then it gets good.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
I gotta say.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
When I moved from laying there watching to when they
were maybe he was actually gonna get to swing the
bat for that one at bat, when they weren't gonna
intentionally walk them.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
I popped up and I sat up on my couch.
I was like, well, I guess they got me.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yes, they got me. Off the actual like, I'm not
laying anymore. I'm here to actually sit up on the
edge of my seat, which I did. But uh and
that and when uh, you know, when they're like pulling
the game two starter who had the complete game, putting
him into the bullpen, I'm like, this is I used
to love when regular season games would do this. Yes,

(03:29):
late night reyes would happen and it'd be like seventeen
innings in San Diego and just it would just be
you and like twenty of your friends who are still
up on Twitter talking about the ridiculous system when that
happens in the regular season.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
My favorite part when the Reds would be in a
game like that, and we really don't have them anymore
because now dumb magic runner role is you could tell
when the announcers had postgame plans that were being interrupted
because they get cranky about it.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
They'd get salty when the game continued.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I I'm kind of an insomnia so I wrestle with
this all the time because I do have a hard
time falling asleep. Like once every two weeks I'll be
laying there at two thirty three o'clock and it's like,
all right, at what point am I just gonna say
screw it? At what point will it not matter if
I get any sleep? And that's kind of where I
was last night. So what I was rooting for was

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for the game to still be going on when my
wife got up for work. I wanted her to come
down to the living room and see me sitting there
drinking a cup of coffee watching Game three of the
World Series.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Not to belabor this point, but usually my dog will
sit next to me on the couch whenever I stay
down there, Lady. He was until like at a certain point,
even my dog was like, I'm gonna turn in and
just went upstairs midway through, and I was like, man,
he I think he's got a pretty good point that
maybe maybe I should be considering going up.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Well, we're both feeling it a little bit today. We're good.
I would probably.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Rather talk about the baseball game last night for the
next hour, but we do have issues to discuss as
they relate to the Bengals. By the way, guy just
walked in wearing a fire Zac Taylor T shirt.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
So that's that's where we are. It's where you wrote about.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
The youth and inexperience on display with the Bengals defense,
and like I I want to use that as not
an excuse but an explanation.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
But I can't.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I can't, And as you pointed out Al Golden to
his gretit is not buying the Hey, we're going to
have to go through growing pains. I guess what I
am clinging to is this that at some point in
the short term, meaning this season, there could still be
a payoff from so many of these young guys accumulating experience.

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Right now, I'm skeptical that that'll be the case. I'm
having to talk myself into it. I am as out
on Duke Tobin as I've ever been. The way they
lost that I certainly believe it's the worst loss of
the Zach Taylor era.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
But I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
I'm trying to tell myself that if they could just
stay afloat, which is all we do in Cincinnati, just
root for teams to stay afloat, that you know what,
there'll be a payoff and in December we'll talk about see, Hey,
Demitrius Knight knows how to tackle because he learned by
not tackling anybody in October. And all these young guys
who weren't good in the middle of the season, well
now they're really good because the the experience is paying off.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
You're making a face. I can't. I'm you don't have to,
you don't have to try. I don't.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know your your your skepticism is right. I mean,
this is the ultimate hope is not a plan.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeah, you know. I mean I feel like the hope.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Is that that that these guys will look better as
they just play more.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
And and that's true. I mean, I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I'm not trying to discount the future careers of Dimitrius
Knight and Barrett Carter and Schmar Stewart for that matter.
You know, three rookies that are essentially out there starting
to meters. It's like my age, but that's okay, it's
still a rookie. Yes, I hear you, But I'm not
here to discount that what they can eventually grow into.

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It's one thing to have one guy that you're living through.
It's another thing to have two of them right next
to each other. It's another thing to then have a
third one where there's moments where they're just this triangle
of youth and bad happening and on plays that are
coming right at them. It's you know, and you're you're okay, Well,
then they've seen that now, so they won't make that

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mistake and they see. But there's gonna be a season.
There's nobody will tell you, but you know it's gonna
happen quick like you're gonna it's gonna you're gonna snap
your fingers and all of a sudden, they're gonna be good. No,
everyone tells you this process is slow, it is gradual.
It takes time. It's not gonna happen overnight. Well, they're
gonna lose games in the meantime. Yeah, they're losing you

(07:58):
games right now. I mean, they lost you one on Sunday.
They're gonna continue to lose you games this year as
long as this is the plan. And it is the plan,
I mean, the the line yesterday of this is this
is where we're at, Like this is That's kind of
the thing that I can't get out in my head.
It isn't a mission like this is it. This is
what we're doing, right We're gonna let these guys go

(08:20):
out here and play, and we are going to understand
that it's not gonna be pretty, that these are who
they are right now, and we're hoping that they'll be
a little bit better next week and a little bit
better the week after that, and that by the end
of that that'll be something. But an admission of of
there's there's nothing changing, there's no other changes, there's no

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there's not anything.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Major that's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I will I'll give you this if you want some
some some I don't know if it's hope, but it's
something to latch onto, a kind of bit for you.
I will say, I do think what has been under
discussed in this latest downturn by this.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Defense in the last month or whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
It is, it very much coincides with the Trey Hendrickson injury. Okay,
he as their lone star, you know, was was able
to mask some of the other things that were going
on there. And it's right, and I think that there's
you know, separate conversations about things that have happened since
Trey's injury beyond just him.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Not being out there.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
But I think the fact they don't have other stars,
the cliff is so deep after him, clearly, between that
and Miles and Joseph Side and Shamar Stewart and the
lack of pressure is just so debilitating for the team.
And at the very least when Trey was out there,
he was soaking up at tension of an offensive coordinator.

(09:43):
You can see the difference I have in a story
it's going to be up tomorrow on the trade deadline,
which you can imagine where that starts with Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Not being a part of anything.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Is is the is the point that the the on
off field splits this year are incredible when Trey is
on the field versus when he has not been on
the field this year, they truly do go from the historic,
god awful defense that I think everybody sort of saw
on Sunday and for portions of a lot of their

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recent life.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
But like also they.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Were when he's been on the field, it's been okay ish.
That counts a lot of early in the season when
quarterbacks are different. So again I'm telling you, like I'm
putting asterisks on this and understanding that there's a bit
of a.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Reach it, but it's true.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I mean, they've never needed Trey more when he's the
only guy, him and DJ Turner at this point the
only guys out there.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
And so I think that whenever he can.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Get fully healthy, which I don't know that that's gonna
be this week.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
It would make a major difference in it not feeling.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
So out of control like it did on some Did
any of his teammates see that dude for the Jets
cheap shot him?

Speaker 4 (10:56):
John Simpson, No, I maybe not.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I don't know, although we know there is a history
of not reacting when one of your major stars.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Get try say what you want about him, Like guy
comes up right behind him and just pushes him in
the back.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, and all the other dudes are like.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, well, I don't know, I don't know, I do
Here's I don't know. I don't really I didn't have
like a major problem with that. I felt like that guy,
the offensive lineman was going up and sort of doing
the look for work thing, and Trey was doing some
spinny stuff, and I think he felt like Trey was

(11:33):
gonna turn back towards me ends up pitting him in
the back. It wasn't great. Doesn't look he'll probably get fine. Yeah,
but I didn't feel like it was like dirty. I
don't was the minority cheap Yeah, that was cheap. It
was unnecessary.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
And apparently his teammates all agree with you, because they
just kind of looked at him like he was like, guy,
get on the bus or something.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Man, it's so not coming in to the defense of
their captain.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
So Zach Taylor said, they're gonna he's gonna come up
with creative ways to address the tackling.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
What do you think those look like? I don't know.
Maybe it's not only allowed to watch a certain part
of practice.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, we definitely won't be able to see whatever that
creative part that's.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Within your purview is not.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Maybe we're gonna get Maybe we're gonna get more. I
like the pre practice dummy work that you get there,
you get the dummy with the ball and then these
guys they come running up and they do this like
crazy maneuver to try to show how they're slapping the
ball out on the way down. Maybe they just extend
that to like a full hour of just diving on
the path, which I could get into.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
It looks fun. Okay, is it gonna work? No?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
No, nothing they're gonna creatively do in practice is gonna
change anything that's gonna happen. Like, that's not they You
are either able to go out there and tackle. So
whatever you're gonna do when you're not really allowed to
do anything and you're not trying to hurt. Anybody in
practice is not gonna help you. Look like this is
who you look like, tackling like you either want to

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go do it, you're able to do it, or you're
unable to do it. And they have too many guys
on the team who they knew weren't great at doing it,
and that has proven to be the case, and turns
out when you put a bunch of those guys together,
it's really bad.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Demitrious Knight tackles like he plays defense like he's standing
on a boat trying to walk from one end of
it to the other.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Wallet's in the middle of the ocean. That's how he
plays football. Maybe he'd be maybe he'd be good on
a boat.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Maybe that's maybe that's his future. Maybe boat football could
be the captain, could be the captain of the boat.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
That's what he looks like.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, the I think that has been He got a
how golden Dan Horde, as he often does, asked a
great question yesterday and it was windy, and know that
young players just aren't very good, right.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Like you know how Goldham asked this.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
No, I'm sorry, Dan Horne, I'm sorry if I said wow,
that's I apologize.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
No, no, if I say, maybe I misheard, you know,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Dan asked Al goldon that in our session with Al
goldon yesterday, and the the answer was he brought up
Jermaine Pratt. He was like, you know, a lot of
people would have said after Jermaine Pratt's rookie year that
he would never become the guy that he was for
on the twenty one to twenty two teams they had
and the places and that it just takes time, and

(14:28):
you can you can see it. So you don't want to,
you know, you can't just quit on guys because of
the way that that maybe they look unsure or what
a hesitant is a word that Zach Taylor used to
say about some of these guys.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Ark Carter looks hesitant, like just seric Carter looks hesitant.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
He looks like a guy that just isn't totally sure
what he's doing out there. And so that is something
that theoretically should get washed.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Away with time. So I buy that.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
But you're right when you see him and I think
I think he's not there. I think Demetri Snite looks
hesitant as well. But you see that where you like,
you get into the hole and like, oh am I
supposed to go for this or like or you could
just be in your three like Jordan Battle and just
come around the edge and decide to do some sort of.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Hand dance instead of actually going so cool.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Jordan Battle looked like the Dodgers players when they hit
a double because they Battle looks like that's exactly what
it was.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
It was he's doing like this, like with the weird
dance on the way in, It's like, you know, between
that and and the angles taken with Jordan Battle, I
feel like.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
You know there was Derek Carter looks like you ever
been on a slippery floor where they have to sign
up that says slippery floor, but you can't see where
the wet spots are, so you're sort of trying. That's
what he plays, That's how he plays football. Yeah, I
spent all day Sunday.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I was gonna say, I was like, you clearly are like,
I'm gonna have a lot of time to fill where
I'm gonna have to talk about analogies to what these
players are looking like, and it is it's hard to uh,
it's hard to put into words at this point other than.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
The fact that you better get used to it.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Paul Danner Junior covering the Bengals and their defense The
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Speaker 4 (16:07):
We solved a lot of the issues there. I actually
thought it was great today. I really enjoyed today's conversation.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
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on safety patrol. Yeah, so much more.

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Catch that.

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Speaker 4 (17:38):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
You guys get to find out maybe what happened in
the players only meeting with the defensive guys.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Nothing happened, Nothing ever happens in these meetings. It's it's just.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
We were talking about this in the podcast today and
I can't I keep going back to this, Like what
is the bigger waste of time? The ping pong tables
being taken out of the lock room or the players
only meeting like which which is more overhyped?

Speaker 4 (18:05):
You know? Like this?

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Ah, this is Hey, did you see how the Ravens
played after the ping pong tables got out. Yeah, just
need to straighten up a little bit, get more serious.
This is gonna be a players. Players are gonna hold
accountability that guess what, the same players are gonna walk
out of that meeting that went into that meeting. And
that's the problem right now, Like the accountability. Okay, were

(18:27):
you not trying? We really to believe that no one
was trying, Like I just I don't think it's effort.
I don't think tellents it it's it's it's talent.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Duke Tobin is in charge of acquiring and accumulating the talent.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
And I said this to.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
You on the Growler, So I don't want to redo
the entire segment. This is as pissed as I've been
at him as a fan, right and I feel like,
for the first time ever, he is squarely in the
public's crosshairs.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Now, fans being upset with a coach does not necessarily
translate to their proverbial seat being hot. But you get
the sense with Duke that it's the ground is maybe
not as firm as it has been.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Is that the way I think that's I think I
think there's I think there's cracks in the foundation just
by the nature of the accumulation of time, the Burrow window,
and just how poorly the picks and the.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Free agency acquisitions and the lack of you know, those.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Has been And so I think that you're at a
point now where I don't ever feel like there's I
wouldn't even use the word like likely, not at all,
Like it's still very unlikely. They're just the nature of
of who Duke Tobin is, the family, the realct like
everything about it, it is so firmly entrenched. Him being

(20:07):
taken out of this role would be one of the
most stunning things that I've ever covered here, just because
of who he is and where they are. That said it,
it feels shakier than ever. And like you said, the
fans have him more in the crosshairs because that he's
the one that.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Belongs in the cross hairs. There was a sort of
war wage right between Lou and.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Rumo and kind of felt like Lumo and Duke Tobin
like it was it was it's the players, No, it's
the coaching, right, and so it felt like there was
these two sides and then if you were gonna come
out of that and one side looks clearly right, and
it's the man in Indianapolis. I think everyone looks around
and says, how is this still going on? Maybe it

(20:50):
was all of these players that have come in, Maybe
it's philosophy, maybe it's whatever it is like that does
it inevitably right now feels more like it has fallen
on him than ever. But you know, it's it's just
such a patient place and it's so different than anywhere
else that it's just it's really hard to foresee that.

(21:13):
But yeah, I think it feels like there's a little
bit of those cracks that maybe haven't even been thought
of existing in recent years, just because of.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
You know, games like Sunday.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I mean that that stuff, it makes an impact
and the accumulation of it now over three years of
this defense being terrible because of all of these mispicks
and bad free agent decisions. Directly, it's you can't avoid
you can't avoid that to a.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Certain point, Was that the worst loss of the last
seven and a half years or six and a half years,
Zam Taylor?

Speaker 4 (21:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
I mean, I think in the moment, when you consider
the big picture of this season, yeah, but it's still October, so.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
It could get worse. Definitely get worse.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
But I mean, I just I just think in terms
of stakes, things are on the lineing you've had late
late in the season games that have been debilitating. But
to have a game literally play out to every way
that it's supposed to. You play with the lead, You've
got a team that's zero to seven down at home,
momentum from Flacco in your house, offenses cruising, and then

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this thing that had sort of been like been able
to be shoved under the rug a little bit for
a minute while till Flacco came in and everything else
is like, oh, oh, that thing that you felt like
you had maybe quite just enough by winning all of
a sudden just comes out and eat you alive in
front of everybody, and then you get booed off of
a field that you score thirty eight on is just yeah.

(22:43):
I mean, in terms of optics of it in the moment,
it feels like that. I'm not in terms of big
picture impact and stakes, because they can go out and win.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
A bunch of games the rest of the way out
and overcome that.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
But yeah, in terms of in the moment, that was
that's that's up there.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
If not number one, I haven't ranked them, so I like,
I haven't sat down. Got a full week of time
to fill. Okay, maybe i'll do that this week. Maybe
we get there.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, I'll do that on the plane ride to Utah
and then tweet it or something on SA.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
You rank that, and.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I'll rank all your analogies of what Bengals defensive players
look like trying to tackle, and then we'll compare notes.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
I've got a few more. Yeah, I'm sure you do.

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busted fibula, Matt Lee goes on ir with a knee injury,
and defensive tackle Mike Pennell has been released. He played
in eight games for the Bengals this season and for
about not a twelve to fIF teen minutes when they
acquired him, he was going to be the big off

(25:02):
season acquisition.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
It didn't really.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Take No, it was a whole lot of like, wait,
he's looking Do you see how he played? He really
solidified the run defense? And did he no nothing, I mean,
did you did he?

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Did he not show up at the players only meeting?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
What did he look like? What do you think he
looked like playing defensive tackle?

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Hmm, it's a good question.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
It's a kind of like an old man or rocking chair,
just kind of like.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Let me think about that. Yeah, the problem is I
really can't remember watching him play. That's definitely a problem. Right, Yeah,
nothing about his time in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Stood out to me. No, No, he sure didn't.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Evan Pryor. It's not looking good for Saturday. Scott Saderfield
today said he's going to be listed as out in
all likelihood and the first.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Injury report of the week.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Bearcats on the road against Utah on Saturday night at
ten fifteen. Tonight, it's a game four the World Series,
Blue Jay's Dodgers, Bieber's Show, Hey Otani.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
They may play nine innings tonight, maybe more. Who knows.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
La up two to one after the Freddie Freeman walk
off in the bottom of the eighteenth inning last night.
FC Cincinnati up one to zero on Columbus. The Orange
and Blue are off today before returning to training tomorrow.
The game on Sunday at six forty five on Fox
Sports thirteen sixty. Roman Selatano. His multi save sequence against

(26:27):
Nashville earned him Save of the Year honors from Major
League Soccer. At Hockey Tonight, the Blue Jackets are on
the road against Buffalo Paul Danner Juniors. Here from The
Athletic and the Growler podcast. So like, we made fun
of the players only meeting, but I was talking about
this with Tony yesterday because Tony Pike played on a
winning team but where the offense was awesome and the

(26:50):
defense was atrocious. And one thing we've kind of talked
about this year is say what you want about Zach.
It has never really felt like, in some of the
darkest time that you've ever looked at him and said, boy,
the effort's not there, or that the locker room is
falling apart or things are starting to splinter. But if
that's ever gonna happen, chances are it's gonna be when
one part of the team is really good. And not

(27:12):
that the offense was perfect on Sunday, but when one
part of the team is really good and the other
is wasting its efforts. Should that be the sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
We worry about? Yeah, I mean you're I think.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
You're always worried about that in situations where it's so
dramatically different, like it has been over the last month. Yeah,
But I also you know what I thought, I mean,
leave it to the wise, the wise man at quarterback.
I thought his point after the game about look, you
guys need to just look to themselves, and what he

(27:44):
finds is just what you'll find is that the guys
that feel the worst about it, they care the most
about it, are the ones where they feel like they're
letting everybody else down. They put that on themselves. It's
not as much a matter as the guys that are
playing well, finger pointing of look at these clowns. It's
really far more about the ones that feel like they're
letting their teammates down. It's the worse than if you

(28:05):
just focus on yourself, do your job and remember, and
he said this before, I think when it's maybe his
introductory to us, it was like, don't worry about what
anybody do your job like, no one cares what you're doing, man, Like,
just you just do your thing, do do your job.
No one's worried about you. Everyone worried about themselves. When
you do that, those things tend to correct themselves a

(28:25):
little bit. So I think they have the right people
in terms of that in there.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
But you know, I mean, it's only natural, sure, But.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
I watched Jamar Chase on Sunday, and I thought he
gamely handled some questions that.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I felt like everybody was poking.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
They were trying, Hey, you want to take a shot
of the defense. You want to take a shot of
the defense.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
You want to take a shot at the defense, and
he and he and he didn't, And we talked about
his maturity, and I do think that he's come a
really long way in that regard.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
He was better than I would have been. Yeah, no, yeah,
I know exactly exactly. I would not have. I don't
know how well I've been able to handle it.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
But I think you could sense him being like, I'm
not going to do it, Okay, guys like, yeah, I'm pissed,
I hate losing and all of that stuff, but I'm
not going to sit here and point fingers in the defense.
Even though everybody knows that I could, I'm not going to.
And I think when you have that at the top.
It does go a long way to everybody just being like, look,

(29:22):
do your thing, go score forty time and try to
go win the game and understand that that's you know,
everybody's everybody's doing everything that.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
They can, or at least you hope that they are. Yeah,
what what.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Would have happened if like Jamar is like, I want
to come to the Defensive Players Only meeting?

Speaker 4 (29:38):
He allowed? Sure, let him?

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think he would be I don't know how many
you always like to do this game. Who's the least
offensive person, who's the lowest level offensive person that they
would allow into the Defensive Players Only meeting? Jamar would
get in because he's Jamar. He can goa t burrow
like Flacco. They they could come in there. What at

(30:01):
what point is it like is it like Yoshi Pok
poking his head in the door, like, hey.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Guys, No, I like, I don't know that guy's got
problems with his own No A fan, no a fan.
That's the line.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
He's a veteran, yes, so he should be allowed in
to come say something.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
He would be like allowed to poke his head in,
poke his head in, but not attend.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
And they're like but hey, Tanner's got to stay outside,
right like they would let like you would think they
would like Keris, they would let Orlando Brown, right.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Those guys right, But but anybody else I think would
be told.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
No, I hate meetings.

Speaker 8 (30:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
I have a job in radio.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Because I don't have to get dressed up and because
I don't have to go to meetings. When there are meetings,
I asked the same question every single time. Will there
be snacks? Will there be I've worked for people who
are like, all right, well we have to have a meeting. Yes,
we're gonna ask do you think they had snacks?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
No? Booze definitely not. Okay, I'm not going I feel
like I feel.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Like maybe there was uh imprompt to Sunday night meeting
with Booze.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Probably, I would imagine.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Now here's the one thing about the team offensively, they're
like a decent running team.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Now decent how about this?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
So we had we had Justin Hill, running backs coach,
on the Rewatch Show Monday, and I went through just
parsing out the last month. And so in the month
of October, the Bengals had the number one rushing offense
in the NFL in terms of efficiency success right, and

(31:38):
now they're all they do is get explosives. Yeah, it's unbelievable.
It's and it's p Ryan too well. They've found a
really nice mix. I think Samaje, you know the nature
of the way they use him, their tendency with him
of when he's out there, he's going to be in
pass pro standing next to Flacco now and you just

(31:59):
kind of the look pass and especially the way they
use the receivers on outside the numbers and stuff. You
can find those alleys up. They have made a living
off of these p RN middle runs on second long
which I know you love second long runs, and they've
they've found explosives out of them, they've found efficient runs

(32:20):
out of them. He's he's had this kind of downhill
power thing that helps those be efficient to get your
third and five or six, which Flacco has been really
good at. And so when you have that, like, it's
made for a nice one too. I would not have
thought before the season that you would have had him
carve out this much of a role with Chase Brown

(32:41):
had taken as much as strides as he had, But
I think he's helped Chase Brown because Chase Brown looks
fresh and explosive when he's out there. He doesn't not
that he would wear down, but he certainly looks fresh
and with with a lot of energy. And they just
kind of created a nice, a nice combo. And that
was my question for Justin Hill. I said, if if
I talk to you on the flight back from Denver

(33:03):
on Monday night football and said, guess what, over the
next month, you're going to have the number one rushing
offense in football by efficiency, what would you? And He's
just like, you know, they have had such an uphill
climb to get to that point. Yeah, I think that
there's you know that it's a kudos to that group
because that looked dead in the water.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
You talk about historically awful.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yes, maybe that's something as we try to spend this
hour finding things to latch onto. If you can do
that with the run game, then maybe you can do
something with the defense going from historically awful. But the
problem is there's not one person that can come in
and really change the entire dynamic of the defense like
Joe Flacco did for the offense.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Also was seven minutes to go and you're gashing them
on the ground. The previous drive they were awesome on
the ground, and you're trying to kill some clock, salt
the game away. Could you call a running play?

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
I mean I think between that and I don't you know,
I know, I've seen the less drive, second and ten
run getting beat up a little bit. I didn't have
a problem with that. I mean the timing before it. Yeah,
I love the amount of time that they let run off.
But I didn't have a problem because they had been
getting explosives out of it, and they were only a

(34:16):
couple of first downs with multiple timeouts left away from
getting into field goal range. I understand the hesitation of
being like, you know, really when it gets one yard,
but they had had so many productive runs like that
in that situation, and you had to feel like, Okay,
you've got the defense. Maybe thinking past as well, you
could pop another one of those. They had just popped

(34:37):
them with Chase Brown. That didn't bother me as much.
Tony brought this up yesterday.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Fourth down. Your quarterback was just in the locker room.
The game and the season are hanging in the balance.
You don't call one of those timeouts to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Now.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
The look I know you like you needed them. Yeah,
but I mean it doesn't matter if you don't convert,
I understand. Just give your quarterback a chance to catch
his breath. Tell Andre, let's put some stick them on
the gloves or something like the second down run.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I'm not gonna say, and needs to get separation more
than I would fall. I would follow him for the
route more than the catch more. But they're both I
mean they're pile to him. I mean, I thought that
was the moment they missed Kasiki, the one moment they
miss Kasiki more than anything where you get the double
double beater where Gasiki against a linebacker, he just is

(35:28):
beating people off the line. He's getting free, whereas Yoshi
got caught up, couldn't get free, couldn't get that. I mean,
that is I you know, that's a Gasiki ball if
I've ever seen one. And so I thought that was
the first moment since he's gone down that it felt
glaring that they were missing him, and they have been,
because you know, you've seen the Yoshi. Stuff that's happened
that hasn't been catching up is stuff that would be

(35:49):
uh would be directed to Mike.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
I thought about Ermain Burton. Really, yeah, I mean because
if if you're if.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Because you wanted to break walls in your house.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
No, because if you're frustrated with Andre Joshavas, you go, okay,
well who else is there?

Speaker 4 (36:06):
The answer should be a do you use a third
round pick on? Last year?

Speaker 3 (36:10):
I know he's the lowest of all low hanging fruits,
but like the Andre Yoshavas conversation has kind of picked
up steam, and I get it is having a hard
time getting open, but I feel like he's kind of
being cast in a role that he shouldn't be in
because of their failures, because of the Kasiki.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Being hurt and being Jamaine Burton, right, I mean it's
that problem is not going anywhere. How many wins will
it take to win the AFC North? I think nine
in a tie break?

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Can the Bengals get to sure? Think so, yeah, got
goes six and two right the rest of the way.
What's six and five? I mean, yeah, six and three
the rest of the way. Yeah, I mean it's you know,
it's not great. I don't can then, I mean sure,

(37:02):
I don't know. It doesn't feel great obviously, and I
don't think that their defense is gonna get bad. I
went I did the work of looking at the last
ten years, the teams that were in this bottom fifteen
worst defensive suiting the first half of the season over
the last ten years. Bengals are in there, Cowboys this
year in there, And I would just look at those teams,

(37:22):
looked at where they all ended. You don't want to
know it doesn't get better. How about this, Almost all.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Of them still ended up in the bottom three defensively
after their first tex something that the improvement, like the
idea of it improving dramatically. Maybe you get a little bit,
you can maybe get up into the like twenty five
twenty four area, but like you're you're probably gonna still
have the worst defensive football.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
If they score one more point than the Chicago Bears
on Sunday, that's what everybody's gonna talk about for two weeks.
When you know they've survived this, they're a game under
at the bys, do some self scouting, some self scout,
right scout, do some self scouting, get to buy and

(38:07):
come back beat the Steelers once.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Sure, it don't look like world beaters. I mean, I
don't think anybody looks like world beaters. I think we've
now reached to the point where Vegas is looking at
us all like we told you, Yes, the ravens, we
told you the ravens. Okay, that went over Chicago by
the by Snoop Puntley. Yes, is going to turn out
to be massive. Yes, because they could have fallen to
one and six, and we know how that math goes. Now,

(38:32):
now the doors open, the doors open, Lamar's back and
their schedule. They have a chance to really go on
a run here and they you know, they they can
be and and the fact that Pittsburgh has come back
to the pack opens the door for them to come
right back into it. Whereas it would have felt like, man,
maybe that's one loss too many. If the Bears take
them out in Baltimore, we may look back at that

(38:52):
as something.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Well, thank you as always. Yeah, it was great, It
was really was. It really was great for me.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, I get to get stuff off my chest. Yeah,
get your analysis of things. I don't feel any better sometimes.
I like we tried though. Look, I felt like we
really tried today. We tried to latch onto some things.
We tried to find something to help people. Yeah, we
don't want people to have their dabbers down all the time.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
No trying.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I don't want down all the time. No, pick it up,
let's go. And the thing is, like I did, we
did fifty two minutes. And I badly want to make
fun of Corey Dylon, but I'm not even gonna make
you do that.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Oh I wouldn't mind. Well, no, I'm not. No, I
mean his I.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
What I pre Here's what I appreciate about Corey Dillon. Yeah,
he has never been anything other than on brand. Like
at every turn, this is who Corey is. Yes, he's
just he's he's gonna be angry, he's gonna be mad
about stuff. He's gonna feel disrespected, often delusionally, sometimes rightfully.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Uh, in this instance, it's not rightfully.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
It's not right. Understand. I know it's not rightfully in
the sistance. But over the course of all the way
back to Corey as a player, to the time that
he went off to me and and you know, I said, hey,
what do you want me to do with this? He said,
print it, print every word of it.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
I did.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
And then there was this tour about how I shouldn't
have done that. You know that that happened, and it's
like this is this is kind of this is just
kind of what it is and and if you've decide
that you want to be disrespected and that's going to
be part of your personality. I think that's part of
Corey's personality. I've liked Corey, like every time I have
talked to Corey met Corey interviewed one of.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
My favorite guests.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Whenever he's this Austen phenomenal. I hate that this stuff
repeatedly seems to happen where it's always got to be
so have so much animosity, but you know, so so
it goes. I think it's just kind of it's consistent.
You know, it's remarkable. It's consistent over over every aspect
and every every portion of his career.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
All Right, we have to go.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
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Latest episode dropped a little bit earlier this afternoon. Taylor
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Speaker 3 (42:10):
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Speaker 4 (42:21):
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Speaker 3 (42:24):
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Speaker 4 (42:56):
At Oakley Greens.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
The Orange and Blue winning last night one mil Kevin
Denke with a goal. Pat Noonan's defense was terrific last night.
Roman Celentano, who earlier today was given the MLS save
of the Year, I thought was really good and the
hell is real. Best of three series off to a
great start for FC Cincinnati. The greatest soccer analyst working

(43:19):
today from MLS Season Pass on Apple TV, Taylor twelvem
and kind enough to give us a few minutes to
talk about the series with us. Taylor, It's awesome to
have you as always. Good afternoon, How are you good?

Speaker 10 (43:29):
How are you buddy?

Speaker 3 (43:31):
I'm well, I'm better After last night, it felt like
throughout the course of the evening they haven't played their
best against Columbus this year. It felt like they did
control most of the game. Is that how you felt.

Speaker 10 (43:43):
Yeah, they were the better team on the night. I
thought they did a real good job. I think Pat
Noon and his dah listen, they had a full week
to prepare for it, right, so I think their defensive
posture and the way they kind of went after him.
I thought the first twenty minutes was really, really good,
and then Celotano had to make a good save on

(44:03):
Max Arsten late in the first half. But they had
the better chances. And it's still and we'll get into this,
it's still just the finest of margins off between Brenner,
Evander and Dentgate. But they're three really good players and
when you give them enough, they're going to find a
way to score a goal. I just thought that as

(44:25):
a whole, they were the better team. They probably should
have scored two or three goals on the night, and
in typical fashion under pad Noon and they'll win a
game by one goal and be confident in doing so.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
They score the goal, and then I was expecting the
feeling like you're hanging on for dear life, and obviously,
you know, if the equalizer comes, you know, maybe it's
a different outcome.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
I just relative to how they've played.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Against Columbus, not just this year but in the past,
and that twenty twenty three game sort of looms over
this entire series.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
It didn't feel to me like they were hanging on
for dear life.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
They felt control of those final twenty fifteen to twenty minutes.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (45:03):
I mean to your point, They've played now nineteen times
Columbus Cincinnati, and in six of those games Cincinnati's had
a two goal lead. They've only won two of those,
and so there is this like eerie feeling when Cincinnati
goes up. You brought twenty twenty three Eastern Conference Final
even this year. They were up to zero in July.

(45:25):
They lost that game for too Now, in saying that,
I think we've got to be very objective about it.
Columbus doesn't have their designated player number nine, so that
changes the way they look. They're not real threatening. They'll
still create chances because will for Nanci and the way
they go about their I would say infrastructure in the

(45:46):
final third. They'll create chances just through their system and
the way they moved the ball. But I never saw
a real threatening Columbus crew. Now, could Columbus have scored
a goal or two, absolutely MaTx, Harvesten Andres Herrera. But
who are we talking about. We're talking about their wing
backs and so Mo. That's why I just feel Diego
Rossi he missed for the last five games. He played

(46:09):
seventy five minutes last night, but he's playing out of position.
They just don't have the perfect balance in the final third,
so Columbus isn't going to be at full strength. And
so that's why I think you felt the way you
did in saying, yeah, we had a one zero lead,
Cincinnati's got it, and it felt like it was in
the bag the entire time.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Taylor Twelman is with this MLS season pass Apple TV.
The playoffs continue tonight in the Eastern Conference Charlotte and
New York City. I want to get to the East
as a whole in just a second, But with Game
two looming on Sunday, how do you expect both coaches
to adjust to what happened last night?

Speaker 10 (46:48):
I think Pat Newton will reiterate the same principles, reiterate
that collectively, if they're in sync with their defensive structure
and they pressed in the right moments, they'll be good.
They've got to get a different a vander than what
they got last night. In my opinion, I think Evander
at times was trying to do way too much with
nutmegs and tricks and all of that. When Evander plays

(47:11):
real simple, no, I think he's arguably the second best
player in the league bind Lionel Messi, and so he
can pull off the spectacular. But at times last night
I thought it was too much flair. I think the
bigger question mark is for Columbus. How can Columbus personnel
wise change the complexion of their attack? How can they
change the balance. And I've said this two or three

(47:35):
times in the broadcast, particularly in the second half. I'm
getting Diego Rossi out of the middle and I'm going
to play him in a wide spot at some point
and find someone else to play that spot to occupy
Miles Robbinson last night, So I think it's going to
be a little bit more the same. From Pat noonon,
I think it's gonna be a little bit different than

(47:55):
I thought. Well, for Nazi's quote before the game was brilliant.
When Cincinnati Columbus play, it's a jazz song, you just
got to find a different way and a different song
and a different note to play because both coaches are
so stubborn in how they go about their structure, but
they're also very successful in doing so. So I think
the onus is more on Columbus than it is Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
How good's Roman Salatano, He's good.

Speaker 10 (48:21):
I think he's actually seen and realized where he can
be this year. I think there were early on this year,
if I'm not mistaken, I think it was the Columbus
game he made two or three saves, where now all
of a sudden, he's realizing his potential. I still think
there's another level moment. I may be on the outside
looking in on this, but I still think there's another

(48:44):
level or two for him regarding leadership, regarding his feet,
but the reaction saves, the ability to make the save
in the moment. He has really grown into a prominent
goalkeeper in that aspect. But I still think at the
inner national level and if he wants to further his
career wherever it may be, I still think there's another

(49:05):
level or two. And I'm not I don't think I'm
being too critical. I think I'm just being transparent in
showing that he can get there. If you look at
the other goalkeeper, Patrick Schulte who came into this playoffs
with huge question marks. He was fantastic last night. His
feet are better than Selatano, So right there, just that
comparison of Schulte Selatano is Selatano's feet improve a little

(49:28):
bit more. You're talking about arguably the best goalie in
MLS we've had.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
In the East.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Philadelphia, Miami, and FC Cincinnati each get out to one
nothing leads. Charlotte and New York City start their series tonight,
so we're a game away, our guest, two games away
from getting messy versus Evander in the Eastern Conference semifinals.
Break down the Eastern Conference as a whole form well up.

Speaker 10 (49:52):
To this point, you and I speaking the home team
as it has won the first game in every series
up to this point. Charlotte and LAFC will try to
continue tonight and tomorrow night. I think that continues. I
will be shocked if New York City wins tonight, and
I don't think Austin really has a chance in the
LAFC series. The Eastern Conference is a real interesting one.

(50:14):
I thought Chicago I'll played Philadelphia the other night. I
think Philadelphia was lucky to win on penalties, and I
just listen. Nashville on Decision Day should have scored at
half time then expected goals of three point one. What
that means for your listeners is they were expected to
at least score three goals in forty five minutes against Miami.

(50:34):
They ended up losing the game five to two. So
this Saturday night in Nashville, MESSI and Miami they're gonna
have their hands full because Nashville is gonna be that team,
not the team we saw in Leg one. And Miami
doesn't want to go to a third game. They just don't.
They lost to Atlanta last Year's the number one seed,
they don't want to go there. So that's gonna be

(50:56):
very interesting. I think Columbus is gonna give Cincinnati everything,
throw the kitchen sink at him. They don't want that
to be the last game at Darlington Nagby's career. I
think we're a long way of really handicapping the East
right now. But I would be shocked if it's not
Cincinnati host in Miami because both teams rightfully so against

(51:16):
their opponents they're the better team, But how often do
we talk about the better team not winning? And I
don't want to bring up your Bengals losing to the Jets,
because that'd be a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Well, you had to twist a knife even further. Uh that, Yes,
that's all right, you know what. It ain't like we
haven't been talking about it ourselves. FC Cincinnati and Columbus
up north Sunday at six point thirty. The MLS Cup
playoffs can be seen on Apple TV's MLS Season Pass,
where you can watch our guy Taylor twelvem and awesome
to have you, man.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
I do appreciate it as always, Thanks so much.

Speaker 10 (51:51):
Yep, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
But you got it a fun game last night. It
felt like felt like they were in control. Columbus is
number two and made League Soccer in times of possession
over fifty eight percent. They possessed the ball for about
fifty two percent of the game last night, and we've
if you're an FC Cincinnati fan, you've watched a lot
of games like that, including here down the stretch where
they may score, they may take the lead, and it

(52:14):
just feels like they're hanging on for dear life. Columbus
had chances in the final minutes, had a couple of
chances in extra time, but it didn't feel chaotic. It
didn't feel like FC Cincinnati ever really relinquished control of
the game. They jump out to a one nothing lead
in the series, a chance to wrap it up in Columbus,
which as cool as as cool as it is to

(52:35):
win at home, it would be awesome to wrap up
the series up there six point thirty on a Sunday night.
You could, of course listen to it on Fox Sports
thirteen to sixty. Fun atmosphere for that game last night
at the soccer venue on the West end of Cincinnati.
More on that coming up here, And just a bit,
our guy Sean Say at Stats and Schemes is going

(52:56):
to join us. Because it's Tuesday at five twenty, we
are free for about an hour. Five point three seven
four nine fifteen thirty and eight six six seven h
two three seven seven six will get you in. We've
got Game three of the World Series, which was epic
last night to talk about. We've got some Bengals injury
issues to discuss. We have a possible Bengals injury issue

(53:18):
that we at least have to acknowledge. And the imaginary
conversation I keep finding myself having with Duke Tobin that
coming up a little bit later on, But first, I
cannot imagine being a fan of a certain team today.
That next when we come back to Oakley Greens on
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Speaker 9 (53:42):
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Speaker 3 (53:53):
You know, football in the NATI. You can obviously by
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football in the NATTI. It's a great place to watch football.
But you know, you think it Next week college basketball starts,
right sweet glorious college basketball.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
I did.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
We're getting college basketball coaches on the show this week.
Richard Patino's gonna join us on Thursday. I think we
have Wes Miller tomorrow, Terren's efforting Darren Horn this week,
and so we're excited for the start of the college
basketball season. I watched UC's exhibition game against Arkansas, and
that I instantly wished I didn't watch UC's basketball exhibition

(54:44):
against Arkansas. So this college basketball season, you can watch
your favorite team, even if it's not one of those
three schools I mentioned, Even if it's like Milma Mater
Druby's beloved Dayton Flyers, you can watch them here. Your
favorite college basketball team all year long, from November to March,
you could watch at Oakley Greens. It's unbelievable college bask

(55:06):
I'm old enough to remember when the college basketball season
would start, like December first, and we're gonna have games
on November third, which it's not a complaint. I don't
know if you stayed up to watch Game three of
the World Series last night, six hours and thirty nine
minutes of just awesome classic October baseball, a game that

(55:32):
had everything. Great defensive plays, questionable managerial strategy, some beyond
clutch pitching, including by Clayton Kershaw, the Hall of Famer,
in the thirteenth inning, when he was brought in to
get an out with the bases loaded, the first time
he's ever pitched in an extra inning. Show Hey, Otani

(55:58):
reaching base nine times. It was just an awesome sporting event.
And like none of us are Dodgers fans, God knows,
I'm not. An awesome sporting event at an iconic venue
which just looks cool as hell on TV, and they
played real baseball and extra innings.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
I know it's not going away.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
It's been there since twenty twenty six seasons of the
Magic Runner. And you know, the rule is bs because
when the games really count in the postseason, we get
rid of the magic Runner and we actually make teams
earn runs in extra innings. And then Freddie Freeman walks
it off in the eighteenth inning, the first player in
history to have two walk off home runs in World

(56:45):
Series play walked off the Yankees in the tenth inning
of Game one last season. Just an awesome, awesome sporting event,
a great baseball game.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
I cannot imagine being a Toronto Blue Jay.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Now, all right, your team's in the World Series, which
is cool, Like I'd gladly trade you.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
The Reds lost their playoff games in nine innings. You
stay up until three o'clock in the morning, like if
you're not invested, Like I watched that game and I
went to bed and it took me five to ten
minutes of fall asleep.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
If you stayed up to three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
In the morning and you're a Toronto Blue Jays fan
and your team lost that game, I don't know how
you sleep like you're you're today, you're running on fumes
and by the way, game four is tonight and then
you get another game tomorrow. It's like, if you're a
Dodgers fan, it's it's I'm not gonna sleep. Pretty good
chance to live in the West Coast, so it's not
three o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
But there's the difference.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
There's a major difference between you're you're up and you
can't sleep because you're excited and there's adrenaline and you're
up and you're laying there agonizing over all the missed
opportunities and what ifs of an eighteen inning World Series game.
So like people are gonna say, like, well, how are
the Blue jay Is gonna bounce back? To their professional athletes.

(58:08):
Professional athletes are extraordinarily resiliently. They lose baseball games all
the time. Now it's fair to wonder are they gonna
be able to touch shoe heyo Tani tonight is Shane
Bieber gonna be up to the task? I just I
look at that through a fans lens. You stay ups
till three o'clock in the morning. You know you're not
gonna sleep right. If your team wins, the excitement's probably

(58:28):
gonna keep you up all night.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
If you lose, how do you fall right asleep? I
don't know that's worth mentioning.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
In twenty eighteen, the Dodgers won an eighteen in a
game in the World Series. Max Munsey won Game three
and the Boston Red Sox won that series, won it
in five games, and so there was a bounce backability.
And if you remember, if you were watching, I know
it's been seven years. In Game four, the Dodgers had
a four to nothing lead. They won Game three and eighteen,

(58:59):
had were nothing lead in the middle innings of Game four,
and that Red Sox came back won that game nine
to six, won Game five the next day and took
the series in five. And so we'll see if the
Jays are able to bounce back that. They're obviously going
to be managing through the uncertainty that comes with having
used all your relief pitchers Dave Roberts is going to

(59:21):
be doing the same thing, and so which starting pitcher
can give his team the most length. I know nobody's
rooting for the Dodgers, and that's fine. I'm rooting for
a six or seven game series. Shoheotani's like it's an
overused term, it's the ultimate unicorn.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
It's the greatest show in all the sports.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
It's the greatest show in all the sports, which I
thought Barry Bonds was for years. And like a baseball
player can only have so much of an impact on
any game, or any team or any season. You have
the Toronto Blue Jays in the middle of the World
Series acknowledging publicly, we're not pitching to this guy yes night,

(01:00:00):
early this morning in extra innings, they were putting him
on base with him representing the winning run, hitting in
front of guys like Mookie Bets and Freddie Freeman, acknowledging
that he could steal a base. He did try to
steal second base last night after one of the intentional walks,
and he came off the bag and so he was tagged.

(01:00:20):
I think the otherwise would have been successful. Barry Bonds
obviously was walked one year walked two hundred and thirty
two times intentionally. The intentional walk. Back then, you actually
had to throw four balls outside the strike zone. Now
they just told a guy to go to first base,
and Barry Bonds was respected unlike any hitter any of
us have ever seen. But it's a little different here.
We're in the middle of a World Series. The dude

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is batting leadoff with great protection in a great lineup,
and the Blue Jays are saying, in extra innings, we
would rather put you on and pitch to Mookie Bets
than even attempt to throw a strike to show Heyo
Tani that game, and I I understand how the World
Series works. It's buried against money night football last night,

(01:01:04):
and there was an FC Cincinnati game last night, and
it's the Dodgers and Jays and there's no real connection.
And baseball fans are great at coming up with excuses
for why they don't watch. Last year it was I
hate the big markets. Two years ago Texas and Arizona,
it was I hate the small markets, Like, just say
you don't like to watch baseball, and that's your teams
playing in it. But that was a special, special sporting event.

(01:01:28):
It was also, like, as much as social media can
really suck sometimes, and as much as it coulds suck
the life out of you, Twitter specifically, haven't made the
leap to Blue Sky or threads full time Twitter specifically,
it can be a lot of fun when there's this

(01:01:48):
shared experience like that last night. Like I look at
my timeline during the last six to seven innings of
that game. There's no politics, there's no government shut down,
and there's a place for all that stuff. It was
just people enjoying the baseball game. It's fun. It's fun,
a great game. I hope there's more of it. Maybe
we're not gonna have another eighteen inning game, but a

(01:02:10):
series that, for me at least deserves my attention. I'm
glad I gave it to it last night, all the
way till three o'clock in the morning. We'll see what
the Dodgers and Blue Jays have tonight for an encore.
And by the way, yes, we continue to play real
baseball and extra innings. I'm sure the think pieces out
there see a game like that. That's why you need

(01:02:30):
the magic run a rule in the postseason. I'll give
it to you in the regular season. I think it's
a solution in search of a problem. You know, prior
to twenty twenty, we didn't have like a whole bunch
of seventeen inning games. They were extreme outliers. But fine,
I'm glad that Rob Manfred, among all the really stupid

(01:02:50):
things he's done, has at least acknowledged in the postseason,
we're gonna play real baseball if the game goes beyond
the ninth inning. Twenty nine away from five o'clock five one, three, seven,
four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number. You know,
the end of the game on Sunday that everybody seems

(01:03:13):
to have forgotten. I'll remember it. We'll talk about what
it might mean for Sunday. And Zach Taylor says there
needs to be leaders on defense. Uh okay, one thought
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Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
By the way I saw the uh Since.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Ini police have charged thirteen year old kid with vandalizing
the Marty Brenneman statue at the ballpark.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
I hope that kid.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Has parents like mine, because I cannot imagine. I cannot
imagine what that car ride would be like my parents
after they picked me up from the police station after
I vandalized a Marty Brenneman statue. I never wrote in
the back of a cop car as a kid. I've
never written in the back of a cop car as
an adult. I don't plan on it anytime soon. I'm

(01:05:35):
not gonna say it was a perfect angel, but I
just I'm trying to imagine what that car ride would
have been like with me and my dad picking me
up at the police station after I had to explain Now, yeah,
I went up to the Marty Brenneman statue and I
removed the microphone. I hope that kid has a car
ride like the one I can imagine with my dad.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Dope.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
The Bengals made the following roster move. Shatka Hayward goes
on the injured list with a busted fibula. Matt Lee
goes on the injured list with a knee injury. Mike
Penell has been cut. Remember Mike Penell was gonna be
either gout him from the Chiefs. They see it, didn't
need to go get any other three techniques this offseasons.
Mike Penell, Yeah, a name for me. One play that
guy made, by the way, the part of the game

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on Sunday that nobody seems to be talking about. So
the Bengals lose. You knew that they fall apart defensively.
You knew that, Uh, they don't run the ball in
their second to last possession. You knew that they took
two timeouts into the locker room with them after.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
The game ended. You knew that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
But you remember, like Joe Flacco went to the locker
room briefly, What do you think happening there?

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
What what do you what do you imagining? What do
you what are you imagining? They gave Joe Flacco.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
To be able to finish the game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Meanwhile, while he was in the locker room, Jake Browning
was up and practicing and warming up. So are we
gonna be surprised if we find out this week that
maybe Jake Browning plays against the Bears in the latest
must win game for the Bengals. I am not saying
that's gonna happen. I'm saying that I watched Joe Flacco

(01:07:16):
go in the locker room and come back, and I'm
sure it was all good. And gonna also guess in
a fair amount of pain yesterday we will see Bengals
and Bears Sunday at one live on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Scott Sadafield did not definitively.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Say Evan Pryor won't play on Saturday, but did acknowledge
he's gonna be on the report, and I guess list
that is out. Bengals and Bengals Bearcats in Utah on
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Scott Saderfield Radio Show on seven hundred WLWFC. Cincinnati players
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two of their series against Columbus that'll be at six
thirty at whatever they call their stadium up there. Roman
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four Tonight in Los Angeles Dodgers and Blue Jays, with
LA having a two to one series lead, show Heyo

(01:08:12):
Tani versus Shane Bieber and hockey this evening. The Blue
Jackets are on the road against Buffalo. Mike, go ahead,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 11 (01:08:25):
Thank you, Jalk. I got to go to the I
got to go to the game last night.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
You were at Dodgers Stadium last night? Yes, I was.

Speaker 11 (01:08:35):
The DA provided a van and five of us went
to the game and had nice seats.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
And did you stay for the entire game?

Speaker 11 (01:08:46):
Absolutely? I got home very late.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
So were you sitting anywhere near Mary Hart behind the plate?

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Mary Heart goes to all the Dodgers games. And Mary Hart,
you know, the longtime host.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
No, she's not married to John she's married. Yeah, she
co host on Entertainment Tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
And Mary Heart's married to a guy named Bert Sugarman,
who I guess is an executive executive, big money guy. Right,
So Mary Hart sits right behind the plate at Dodgers games,
and like, not just in October, but if you're watching
the Dodgers, which you always do, and they're playing like
a game on a on a Tuesday night in April,
there's Mary hert right, longtime host of Entertainment Tonight.

Speaker 11 (01:09:37):
People every night.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
I don't Most of those people show up late andly early.
But Mary Heart's there in her seat in the first inning, right.
And when I was a kid, Mary Heart like she
was on entertainment. Tonight it was her. It was John
tesh And and they insured her legs because you know,
she wanted to make a living with her legs.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
I guess. And so last night I'm watching the game.
That's my show. I'll make it at the speed that
I want. So I'm watching.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
I'm watching the game, and Mary Hart lives and dies
with the LA Dodgers.

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
You see, you weren't watching on TV. I was at
two o'clock in the morning. There was a sequence in
the seventeenth inning where Mary Hart's husband stands up and
you could tell he was telling her, we are leaving
after this inning. Then he was you could tell, you
could you could see it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
I cannot believe that Smoltz and Joe Davis didn't talk
about this. They were talking about watermelon in the Dodgers dugout.
They were talking about fruit. But you could see. You
could see he stood up and he like stepped over her,
and then he leaned over and you could tell he
was telling her Mary, we are leaving at the end
of this inning, and who among us hasn't been in

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that situation before where we're being told by our significant
other we are leaving after this And so poor Mary
Hart did not get to be in the stands because
her bonehead husband made her leave when before Freddie Freeman
hit the home run to end the game. Mike, I've
occupied too much of your time with that story. The
floor now is yours.

Speaker 11 (01:11:08):
Bert Sugerman is probably about thirty years older than her
Bert's up there a little bit, if I'm not mistaken.
I tell you there's goats and there's goats. But one
thing's for sure, the most humble goat that has ever
walked the face of modern sports in America is Show

(01:11:29):
Halo Tony. His humility, his humbleness is unflappable. You can't
get him to get all jacked up and excited, and
that's what makes him so unbelievably trawling.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Yeah, uh, is he afraid of the mom he's sports.

Speaker 11 (01:11:54):
He's not watching Michael Jordan and all these guys. But
you will not find a more humble superstar the goat
of goats, in my opinion, in my lifetime. Uh and Uh,
I'm not surprised that Toronto doesn't walk him every time
he comes up tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
No, it's an ultimate sign of respect.

Speaker 11 (01:12:16):
So what do you do tonight comes up?

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Yeah, I mean like to be To be fair, the
strategy for the Blue Jays worked for most of the
night right. I mean that the strategy for as it
relates to how they handled shoe hey Otani with he
he walked five times, four of them were intentional, the
one time he tried to steal, and I think he
stole the bag successfully, but he popped off and the

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fielder correctly kept the tag on him.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
But the strategy worked.

Speaker 10 (01:12:49):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
But the question is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
It gonna work tonight if they try to do the
same thing, and is it gonna work for the duration
of the series, assuming they're going to try to do
the the exact same thing.

Speaker 11 (01:13:00):
Yeah, it makes for really, it'll take a lot of
zip out of the game. Now that I'm sure the
networks aren't real thrilled about that particular aspect, But then
maybe they will be. They'll there'll be somebody else like
ti Oscar Hernandez will come on a blast one out
of there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Yeah, you need more for mookie bets because he went
one for eight last night. He's got two hits in
the series and I think fifteen sixteen at bats, so
hitting behind Shoeeyo Tani, it's on him.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
To help protect him. But yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
Toronto is doing what they need to do to win
the game strategically. But as a fan, I want to
watch Joeo Tani hit well, even if Mary even if
Mary Hart's husband doesn't.

Speaker 11 (01:13:43):
But taking a mookie, when was the last night you
saw a guy who's typically a right fielder come in
and play excellent shortstop all year long?

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
And he's a really good there.

Speaker 11 (01:13:56):
Really good shortstop.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Yeah, no he is.

Speaker 11 (01:14:00):
And then Tommy Edmunds they got for a song from
the Cardinals, who has been more He had to have
one Barry the other night. But other than that, Tommy Edmunds,
they stole him from Saint Louis, absolutely stole him. And
then Key k he could erupted at any moment because
he only plays in October. It's incredible. Anyway, I just

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thought I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Are you going to are you going? Are you going
to the game tonight?

Speaker 11 (01:14:26):
Yes? I'm going uh with my IV and my arm
and my bottle. I'm going my say, wing bottle, We're going, buddy, are.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
You going to? Will you be a game five?

Speaker 11 (01:14:38):
I don't know, you know, I gotta wait and see it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Right, But you're you're going. You're going the night to
game four, which is awesome. Now, At any point in
your life, Mike, have you had somebody in your life who,
in a key situation has leaned over you to say,
we're leaving after this, even if it's not over. Like
what if Mary Hert would have said to her husband,
I'm not leaving till this game ends. And I felt
like on that you could tell, Mike, I'm watching this

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on national television. Granted at two thirteen in the morning
Eastern time, you could tell this guy was telling Mary, Mary,
we are leaving. What if Mary's like Bert, I'll take
an uber, Bert, I'll see if one of these fans
will drive me home. Like I felt in that moment,
I felt really bad for Mary Heart.

Speaker 11 (01:15:21):
Yeah, And you could tell Bert was like tired and
cranky and salty and says, I'm out of here. I'm
not doing the same. I had my wife do that
one time at Riverfront Stadium. God rest her soul, and
I said, Carol, I'm not leaving, and I turned around
and she was gone. And next thing I knew, she'd
call me and she was home and had took a
cab home.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
So if I was like, Mary Hart is sitting there,
it's the seventeenth inning. Mookie Betts was at the plate
because he made the last out, made the last out
of the seventeenth inning, and you could, you could, you could,
I'm not making this up. You could see her going
Mookie because her only chance to see the game end
was if Mookie hit a home run.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
And I watch the whole transaction.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
This guy who's married to Mary Hart stands up and
is like leaning over her, like not even sitting, like
leaning over her the way you would like lean over
like a bad kid if you taught a class. And
he's misbehaving, and you could tell he's telling her we
are leaving after this, And I wanted Mary Hart to
like give him the bird and say, uh uh, we're
at the World Series. You state that you stay at

(01:16:22):
a World Series game until it ends, no matter how
many innings it goes. If you want to go home,
go I'm staying and I'll make I'll find my own
way home and so now I wonder if they're gonna
be I wonder if they're gonna be at the game tonight.
I wonder if there's some sort of issue in Mary
Hart and this other guy's marriage. And I have a
lot of questions. This now adds to the already built

(01:16:43):
in world series drama.

Speaker 11 (01:16:45):
Well, this adds to your tremendous ability to be a
great investigative reporter and pick up things that the great
ones supposedly don't pick up. So kudos to you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Mom.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Well, Mike, I just I'm very I'm very detailed oriented.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
I pay attention to things.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
And again, we've all been there, We've all we are
leaving after this.

Speaker 8 (01:17:06):
You are.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
I'm not. Mike enjoyed Game four. I'm glad he got
a chance to be there last night. That's awesome.

Speaker 11 (01:17:11):
Thanks for taking my como. You're gonna watch tonight right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Of course, Nick's Bucks, Dodgers, Jay's good sports night.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
I'm excited.

Speaker 11 (01:17:20):
Yeah, it is is is Uh. I can never remember
his name, the Milwaukee the superstar from Milwaukee. Is he
gonna end up with the Lakers?

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
I hope not.

Speaker 11 (01:17:32):
I do too, I hope not either.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
I gotta run, Mike, Thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:17:36):
I thankfully.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
I'm the only person aside from my producer here on site,
Drew Western Heidi, who was watching the baseball game. But
I don't know how if you were watching in the
seventeenth inning last night, you didn't notice this man suddenly
decided to tell Mary Hart we are not gonna It's
like if you've I understand leaving like it's eleventh inning,
Like all right, man, like you, I've made it through

(01:18:01):
seventeen innings. I cannot imagine that Mary Hart or this
other dude who could afford first row tickets behind the
plate at Dodger Stadium had somewhere they had to be
this morning. Right, You've sat there for seventeen innings. At
that point, you just you see it till it ends.

(01:18:21):
I was doing that in my basement last night. Like
I've made it this far. Hey, Granted I don't have
to be at work at seven thirty in the morning
or anything like, I get it. But you've sat there
for six hours, six and a half hours, The game
has gone seventeen innings. You've ridden this roller coaster all
night long. How do you get off at that point?

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and grab a phone call or two as well. So
the Bengals defense is atrocious. I don't necessarily think I'm
uncover any new ground, but the Bengals defense is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Atrocious.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
And maybe if you love spinning the wheel of blame
or you love handing out pieces of blame, maybe Al
Golden should get some of that. He is the defensive coordinator.
I think he'd be the first to admit it's his
job to find answers with the players that he has.
I frankly think he has tried. They've gone young, they've
benched some guys, they've reduced some guys playing time. Nothing

(01:22:29):
he has tried has worked. Zach Taylor is the head
coach of the team. The head coach of the team
is always responsible for his team's overall performance. And so
even if Zach's field of expertise, so to speak, is
on the offensive side, it's not like he isn't complicit
with what they're doing on defense, if that's a fair

(01:22:51):
way to put it. But they're just aren't enough guys,
Like they're just they're DJ Turner looks like a dude
that you could keep in your secondary for the years
to come and feel pretty good about. Beyond that, nobody
And Okay, you want to give a pass to the rookies,

(01:23:12):
that's fine, But like this is a cheap labor league.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Rookies are expected to contribute.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Especially first rounders, especially second rounders are expected to contribute
almost immediately, and that's not happening. This is a cheap
labor league, and it's a league where there's more of
a premium on draft picks contributing earlier than there was
twenty years ago. Duke Tobin had a bad defense last year.

(01:23:38):
Duke Tobin has a bad defense this year. I keep
coming back to an imaginary conversation one that we outlined
here when Joe Burrow got hurt, because Duke Tobin has
had a recurring issue under his watch. The offensive line

(01:23:58):
is never good. Some are slightly better than others, but
since the twenty fifteen season, no matter what they have tried,
they have struggled to put in front of their quarterback,
no matter who, it is, a quality offensive line. And
those issues really came to the surface in twenty seventeen,

(01:24:21):
which was the year before or the year after they
let Andrew Whitworth and Kevin Zeitler walk. And since then
it's obviously not been because of lack of effort.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
We have outlined this to no end.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Cedric Bway he doesn't work out, and Jake Fisher mainly
through no real faults of Duke Tobins doesn't work out,
and Billy Price doesn't work out, and Jonah Williams worked out.
I don't know that Jonah Williams ever played like a
first round pick, but good player, good player.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
You know. It was the best.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Offensive lineman they had in twenty twenty one. But they
put in front of Joe Burrow in a Super Bowl
and arguably the biggest game in franchise history, one of
the worst collection of offensive linemen ever, maybe the worst
offensive line to ever play together in a Super Bowl.
And since then, it's again not been because of lack

(01:25:13):
of effort. It's been free agency. It's been Lyle Collins
and Alex Kappa and Ted Carris and Orlando Brown and
some of those individual players have had their moments. It's
been draft picks Marius Mems, Dylan Fairchild, Jackson Carter. And
no matter what, no matter what Duke Tobin tries, no
matter what amount of money he spends, no matter who

(01:25:35):
the offensive line coaches.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
Are, he just can't get this fixed.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
And so back in September now, with Joe Burrow missing
an extensive amount of time for the third time in
six years, you can't help but if Duke Tobin works
for you, I think ask him, dude, why can't you
fix this? Like I just we did this topic back
in mid September. I'm Mike Brown or I'm Katie Blackburn,

(01:26:01):
and Duke Tobin is sitting there, and I go, man,
like you, You've been given a lot of time to
fix this and you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
Why How? Why? Why? Duke.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
The frustrating thing for me is we can do this
exact same exercise. When it comes to Duke Tobin's defense. Now,
many will say, well, wait a minute, wait a minute,
wait a minute, what about twenty twenty one in twenty
twenty two when they had good defenses and rode their
defense to the Super Bowl in twenty twenty one? And yeah, man,
there were players on those units that predated Zach Taylor

(01:26:41):
because Duke Tobin had a hand in drafting them, like
Jesse Bates, like Sam Hubbard. Good players, good good players.
But that defense in twenty twenty one was largely built
by Duke Tobin using gobs of money that he had
at his disposal to throw at players like should Obi

(01:27:02):
a Woozia and Mike Hilton and Trey Hendrickson and Von
Bell and DJ Reader. There were decisions in there. The
Duke Tobin, I think deserves credit for her like, remember, well,
wait a minute, they've got to sign either Carl Lawson
or William Jackson. Remember that, You've you've got to You've
got to keep at least one. And Duke Tobin's like,

(01:27:22):
now we're gonna keep neither, but I've got replacements in mind.
Should Obi a Woozier for William Jackson, Trey Hendrickson for
Carl Lawson. Duke deserves credit for making that happen, for
making those decisions, for acquiring BJ Hill for Billy Price,
a guy they had no use for, for bringing in
Larry Jogan Jobi. But the strength of those defenses were

(01:27:43):
dudes who came from elsewhere that they could just pay
DJ Reader when they signed him. I'll never forget that
day because it was our last day in studio before
we got kicked out because of COVID, and every analyst,
every observer was like, DJ Reader is a nice player,
but they just made it the highest paid nose tackle ever.
What are they doing in Cincinnati? And my response, and

(01:28:04):
I think the response of people much smarter than me,
was well, who else are you gonna pay if they
want good players to come here. The team stunk last season,
they have to overpay, and they did, and they got
it right with DJ Reader, who they still haven't figured
out a way to replace. But the economics of the
team have changed. Back then, Joe Burrow was making no money.

(01:28:25):
Back then, t Higgins was making no money, and Jamar
Chase was making no money. It made sense actually to
pay a running back. Like if you remember the off
season of twenty twenty, it was, well, what are they
gonna do with Joe Mixon? Ah, Man, Joe Mixon get
a hold in? Is he gonna throw a temper tantrum?
Do you really pay a running back? And my take

(01:28:46):
was yeah, because who else you got? Like, yes, pay
the dude.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
They had money to pay Joe Mixon because there was
nobody else, and they had money to pay defensive dudes
because there was nobody else. So sure, Man Duke Tobin
made a lot of really good decisions. But since then,
replacing all those players who left, now with the spreadsheet
balance tilted toward Burrow and Higgins and Chase and Orlando

(01:29:11):
Brown and a handful of players, they absolutely must build defenses,
mainly through the draft and smart free agent signings. Over
the last couple of years, Duke Tobin has failed miserably, miserably,
And it's not just that they've had defenses that haven't
been great. It's not just that they have had defenses

(01:29:33):
that in critical moments haven't been able to get off
the field. They've had defenses that have wasted an MVP
caliber season from Joe Burrow like, to me, it's the
biggest example of Cincinnati Bengals organizational malpractice in my lifetime
and maybe franchise history. The most important piece you had

(01:29:54):
in place, the most important player played his ass off
play great, arguably the single greatest season that any Bengals
quarterback has ever had, and you couldn't even get to
the playoffs in an era where the playoffs have never
been easier.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
To get to.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Okay, So this offseason, with that in your rear view mirror,
Duke Tobin again given another chance to fix it. The
free agent activity was minimal. The free agents they've brought
in have done next to nothing. I'm not even sure
Oron Burch is still on the team. I'm not even
really sure TJ. Slayton's on the team. And the draft choices,
the players from previous drafts, Cam Taylor Brett being benched,

(01:30:37):
Chris Jenkins never playing, McKinley Jackson never playing, I guess,
Chris Jenkins barely playing, Miles Murphy being a bust, Joseph
Osai eh so far, nothing from Shamar Stewart, nothing from
the two linebackers. I come back to the same question
and the same imaginary conversation I was having a month

(01:30:58):
ago about the offensive Duke, why can't you fix this?
I don't know about you. I'm not a profession where
I often have to fix things. But I would imagine
if I was given an extended amount of time to
figure something out or change or do, and I kept failing,

(01:31:21):
at some point, my boss is gonna call me in
and go, moh like.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
Why does this keep happening?

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
Why do we have these same recurring problems again and
again and again and again, and after so many of
those conversations, you would just say, screw it, We're moving
on my bosses.

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
Would your bosses would?

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
I'm sorry, man, If Duke Tobin works for me, I
can't help, but go, buddy. In these two major areas,
offensive line and your entire defense, you've had a lot
of time to fix it, and yet here we are.
Quarterback is still missing time because of injury, plying behind

(01:32:03):
a below average offensive line, and we have a defense
that is so bad that justin field to the previous
two weeks was a responsible for having negative ten yards passing,
and then B the next week got benched, and then
C got called out by his owner that dude just

(01:32:24):
led an offense that danced all over the field on
you to the tune of thirty nine points, Duke, why
can't we fix these things?

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
How they build the defense next year is gonna have
to be through the draft, smart free agent signings, maybe
some bargain guys, not just throwing money at players. Probably
not gonna have the highest paid nose tackle in football
next year, Probably not gonna be able to go sign
the highest paid dbs in the sport. The way they

(01:32:58):
build next year's defense is going to have to be
using the same methods they have built this year's defense
and last year's defense. Those defenses were atrocious, cost a
team a chance at playing in the postseason last year
and are probably gonna cost a team a chance playing.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
In the postseason this year. How many more cracks at it?
Do you give them?

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
And at some point if you keep asking the guy,
why can't you fix this? Don't you then assume you
know what he can't. Once you've made that assumption, isn't
it time to move on to somebody else? Twenty minutes
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at this stage, Sean, I like being smarter right now.
I feel like I'm more concerned about my mental health
watching this team's defense.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
How are you well, I'm doing well.

Speaker 8 (01:35:07):
Yeah, maybe a little bit better than ever watching that
film again, really really tough on the defense. But me personally,
you know, I guess I'm doing okay. Things are flying
well for for our guy Joe Blacko out there.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Does the scheme ex I know I've asked you this before.
Does the scheme exist that you could use with this
collection of defensive players?

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
You know?

Speaker 8 (01:35:32):
But I always think like, if I am a talent
deficient team on defense, I want to lean into variants,
like I just want to get guys going downhill as
fast as they can.

Speaker 11 (01:35:42):
I want to blitz a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
I want to just cause.

Speaker 8 (01:35:44):
Chaos because you know, when you have Bobby Borough healthy,
you're looking at this as saying, we just need like
one or two takeaways. We're going to win this game
because we're going to score so much on offense. I mean,
you score thirty eight points, you just need like a
turnover here or there to be able to win the game.
So to me, that's what I think about leaning into
just because yeah, I mean, I'm watching these clips and

(01:36:05):
I'm looking at guy who's going on direction or people
not being able to read the play correctly, and that
it's really tough. Like you're you're right in that there's
not like a r at a certain point, there is
kind of a limit just on what coaches can kind
of do. But at the same time, those guys get
paid a heck of a lot of money to do
the job.

Speaker 11 (01:36:21):
So to me, it's like, lean.

Speaker 8 (01:36:22):
Into Varian, Let's try and steal one out there, because
especially in a game where you're just scoring points in points,
you just got to get like a few stops here
and there to end up with a win.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Uh yeah, you know, like folks say, well, you know,
they should blitz more, they should send more pressure after
the quarterback. Okay, well, I mean, look look at some
of the guys back there that you're leaving on an island.
Or don't put more pressure on the quarterback. You got
to be better in coverage. Well, it's like the same
collection of DJ Turner's played. Well, but it's like the

(01:36:55):
same collection of DBS from last year. I feel bad
for Al Golden it is because I don't have an answer,
and I don't know. It really feels like the ultimate
pick you're poison conundrum for him.

Speaker 8 (01:37:08):
Right absolutely, And like I look at defenses across the
league and I think, like, well, what is your weakest point? Right,
that's where teams really want to attack, And so the Bengals, unfortunately,
you kind of have some choices. Like I think about,
for example, like the Commander's defense, like they'll try and
play man coverage, but those that be one on one
they'll try and play zone coverage and they'll bust coverage.
And like you said, then at a certain point, it's

(01:37:30):
like all right, well, like whatever you say, you know,
you're you're going to the direction and you're still kind
of hitting.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
A brick wall.

Speaker 8 (01:37:36):
So I definitely feel a little bit for Al Golden
in this situation because either situation like either solution you
go to, you're it's not like this super super plus situation,
Like you can't just feel great about listen, you can't
feel great about playing man coverage, you can't feel great
about playing zone coverage. So then you're just deciding, like, well,
what is the variants that we want to lean into

(01:37:58):
for this game to just try and something for a win?

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Is there anything you've seen other teams do that if
you're out Golden and go, you know what, I'll steal that.

Speaker 8 (01:38:08):
I think, like I like when I think of defenses overall,
like this whole uh kind of Ravens Tree of defense
where it's like we're only gonna rush for We're gonna
play zone coverage behind it, We're gonna blitz the linebackers
from the second level of bunch like that. That is
probably my preferred message of playing defense in twenty twenty five.
It does, you know, keep your guys out there in

(01:38:29):
situation where even your zone coverage it becomes a long one.
So I never want to say, oh, there's nothing you
can try to just give up like it's always going
to be a kind of a game to game basis.
I'd love to see, you know, if you want to
get your defensive line going, maybe it's you know, you're
getting more stunts overall. I just have guys twisting back
and forth, like literally just trying kind of anything, because
it feels like at this point you kind of you

(01:38:49):
kind of do have to just try and need to
make the work here.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
I think like the next step they're going to take
is just see if the referees notice that they sneak
a twelfth guy onto the field.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
I think that's where I think that's where things are
right now.

Speaker 8 (01:38:58):
Sean, Look, I mean, you gotta try something, right. I'm
never to telling someone to not try.

Speaker 4 (01:39:04):
Just just see if they don't know how to count.
Sean side.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
As with us the TETs and scheme newsletters, they have
been offensively I'll be positive here they're becoming a good
running team.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
What's changed? Oh thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:39:16):
The run game has been so fun to watch. That
has been really really good. I think it was like
it was like one hundred and eighty yards against the Jests,
where our guys j Pierre and they're able to get
almost one hundred yards there and a touchdown able to
create after contact, you know, running through tassels a really
really positive thing there. So I felt like take Carris

(01:39:36):
played a good game here too. Where we don't talk
about the offensive line in a positive way a whole
lot when we get to talk every week, but you know,
you get some movement up front, and yeah, like that
is something that you can really kind of build your
team around in a way if you're able to run
at that level.

Speaker 11 (01:39:50):
Ohways, Now, do I.

Speaker 8 (01:39:51):
Think the defense is the best run defense in the NFL?
I do not personally, but I do think it's just
something that we've seen now multiple weeks that oh, the
running is actually working, like things are moving in the
right direction. You can feel pretty positive about that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
Just the way that that.

Speaker 11 (01:40:07):
Things are going up front. I really like that where
you get.

Speaker 8 (01:40:09):
You can get attacking schemes, You can get schemes already
moving in the outside where things on Peter Ryan's touchdown,
where you have two tight ends on the field, but
the defense wants to play with nickel personnel, five defensive backs,
those light bodies, Hey, we can take advantage of you
when you're doing that. Where the Bengals haven't always been
able to do that, so in exciting development in Bengal
and I would say, is that run game, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
I'm trying. I want to be excited about it having
a hard time. They play the Bears this week. Ben
Johnson is in his first year as the head coach.
Where where has he had the most immediate impact with
Caleb Williams and company.

Speaker 11 (01:40:47):
The Bears overall?

Speaker 8 (01:40:49):
There, I will say their under center play action game
is positive, like absolutely, that is something where Ben Johnson
comes in, you know, that's what he wants to bring in.
It is a really really good situation. I think that
Johnson has held the connection between Caleb Williams and Romaduns
out there. It still feels like there are a lot
of just kind of like operational type issues with this

(01:41:10):
offense overall. I think the run game was able to
get going two weeks prior to this game, but the
Ravens defense that has had a lot of struggles against
the run, they were able to kind of handle the
Bears run game a little bit. So from the offensive
end of the ball, I would I would definitely call
it uneven where I think Caleb still has a bunch
of things to prove and then you know the Bears
defense does not particularly scare me in this matchup.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
All right, I hope I feel better next Tuesday. Sean.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
You can hear the despair in my voice.

Speaker 8 (01:41:41):
It's a tough fun.

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Yeah, well it's it's uh. The Bengals aren't helping, but
Suomer Sports does. Let's talk about the sumer Brain feature,
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Thanks so much Sooomer sports dot com slash steamer Brain.
There really any staff question you have? Type it in
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Be next week.

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We're gonna have fantasy pops in there so you can
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And the stats in Schame newsletter which shows up in
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What is it?

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Yes, it's a lot of fun to do. It's an
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across the entire year. And we've also been adding in
some fun topics. We've done, you know, the rise of
two tight end looks. This week we're going to do
a lot of teams that you have a lot of
fun running out of under center looks, particularly on fourth down.
Also adding a sixth offensive lineman to the field, something
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a lot of a lot of film, a lot of staff,
a lot of talking about the good stuff going on
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Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
Well, the good stuff going on in the NFL is
not happening here, Sean, but awesome to have you done
the last.

Speaker 8 (01:43:01):
Thanks so much, mo, looking forward to talking next week.

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Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
We are late. We'll hear from Scott Sanderfield.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
His team's good, the best, the best football coach in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
We can we do that yet? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
I think there is something about his program that not
a lot of folks wanted to acknowledge two years ago.
But I think now that the team is playing well,
We'll go ahead and acknowledge it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
Make that make sense when we come back. On ESPN
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Mike Pendle at the game on Sunday, I have no idea.
Bengals and Bears kickoff at one o'clock. Pregame coverage on
ESPN fifteen thirty begins at nine a m. We will see,
you'll hear Scott Satafield here in just a second. We
will see if Evan Pryor has any chance of playing.
He came out of the game on Saturday with they

(01:45:22):
get cute with the verbage. Now a lower body injury,
but Evan Pryor is their home run hitter in the backfield.
We'll be on the injury report this week. More tonight
Scott Sadifield Radio Show, eight pm on seven hundred wlw FC.
Cincinnati players are off today, well deserved day off after
winning last night won nothing over Columbus, game one of

(01:45:43):
their best of three series in the Hell is Real
matchup opening the playoffs, Game two is gonna be on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:45:51):
They're back at practice tomorrow. Training. It's not practice, it's training.

Speaker 8 (01:45:56):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
I mistakenly called it practice when John Harks was the coach,
and he corrected me on the art. It's not practice,
it's training. I'm still here, John's not. Game four of
the World Series is tonight in Los Angeles Blue Jays
trying to bounce back after losing. Uh. Right now, those
teams are in LA. They're not taking batting training. Okay,

(01:46:19):
it's batting practice.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
Like really, you want me to get in like me and.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Soccer fans are cool and emc sinceana fan, like I
want the team to win. I am a fan, but
like I don't. I don't pretend that I watched really
a second of soccer before FC Cincinnati. But you want
me to embrace the sport. How about give me some
leeway when I call it practice.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Like when I was a kid, I didn't. I played
basketball and baseball. Okay, my friends who played soccer would
not say, hey see you after training. Right, my daughter
plays soccer. The coach isn't like, oh, it's training, we
got training on Tuesdays and Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
It's practice.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Sho he Otani will pitch for the Dodgers against Shane Bieber.
First pitch at eight o'clock. I don't know why we're
not carrying that game hockey tonight. The Blue Jackets are
at Buffalo Columbus, off to a four and four start
to the season. We're at Oakley Greens every Tuesday. Every
Wednesday they have Fairway Feud, trivia. If you love trivia,

(01:47:19):
you will love Fairway Feud. And if you like candy,
come tomorrow Trick or treat indoors from five to eight
and candy while supplies last costumes. It's gonna be a blast.
Do that tomorrow and we'll see there all right. Scott
Saderfield talked, he is the coach of the Bearcats. You
see is on the road against Utah the utes ten

(01:47:42):
to fifteen late night kickoff on Saturday night. The coach
of the Bearcats talk today. Hopefully Evan Pryor could play
Tommie Walker. Tommy Walker I think saved the game on
Saturday night. Cincinnati is up twenty seven to twenty fourth
quarter defenses on its heels, they go for it. I
think from the twenty seven fourth and one they have

(01:48:03):
a great kicker so I'm thinking kick the field goal,
take the points, go up two scores. Instead, they give
the ball to Tywee Walker. He was initially stopped and
then with a great second effort, gets the first down.
They would go on to score in that drive and
win the game. That is a great one to two
punch here Scott Saderfield on the dynamic duo of Tywee

(01:48:24):
Walker and Evan Bryor.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:48:27):
I think so, you know, there's been a lot of questions,
you know, especially early on. I remember Scott asking a
bunch of running back questions the first couple of weeks.
I mean, you know, and I think this is kind
of how we visited. You know, you got a guy
who can run right through you and impose his will.
He's had some great, tough yardage of runs. The fourth
downs this past week was huge. I mean, running through

(01:48:48):
these guys, and then you have a guy you can
bring in Evan, who can run around you, who can
catch the ball out of the backfield. And I think
you want to keep those guys fresh. And anytime you
can rotate those guys, it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
Is hard or the defense.

Speaker 12 (01:49:00):
And so you know, what we thought was gonna happen
that's just kind of how we would envision this, and
it's been fun to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:49:06):
Those guys work. Any updated on Haavan, Uh No, I'm
not yet.

Speaker 12 (01:49:11):
I think he'll be listed probably as out as we
head to tomorrow. You know, obviously the first time you
got to release that, so you know, we'll see how
he is and how he continues to progress throughout the week.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
Uh, there's uh Scott Saderfield talking about the running back situation. Obviously,
Manny Covey, Chance Williamson, Johnson could be viable options for Saturday.
This is gonna be a loud atmosphere. I'm I'm going
to the game on Saturday. I'm excited to check out
this atmosphere where Utah plays Rice Eckless Stadium. It's gonna
be loud, it's gonna be tough, it's gonna be noisy.

(01:49:46):
And so here's Scott Saderfield answering questions about that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Yeah, we'll we'll prepare for that.

Speaker 12 (01:49:51):
I'm you know, one one good thing about having the
indoor here, we can really crank up the volume in
there and it can be deafening inside this in this building.
So that's how we'll practice the next couple of days
here produciing Wednesdays practices and turn that up and work.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
Our silent cadence.

Speaker 12 (01:50:07):
It's still you know, communication will be really key offensively,
you know, and watching them on film, I think you know,
Texas Tech early in the year didn't use a silent cadence,
but they had I think seven false start penalties. Maybe
Colorado this past weekend they did not use the silent either,
So you know, I've seen guys use it, I've seen

(01:50:28):
guys not use it. We'll prepare for the worst and
hope for the best.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
Scott Sanderfield earlier today talking about the noise in Utah,
there has not been any clarity offered by Kyle Whittingham,
the Utah head coach, as it relates to his quarterback situation.
So Devin Dampier has been hobbled by injury. They turned
to Bird Fickling against Colorado and he ended up behind

(01:50:58):
an offensive line that was named Big twelve Offensive Line
of the Week. He was named a Big twelve Offensive
Player of the Week. Was great with his legs. He
threw for one hundred and forty ran for one fifty
one three total touchdowns. Utah just destroyed Colorado by the way.
You don't see many Colorado fans in your life anymore,

(01:51:22):
do you. For a year and a half, a lot
of folks telling you, oh yeah, big Colorado fan all along?

Speaker 4 (01:51:28):
Okay, well not anymore. Utah thrashed him.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
And so last week Cincinnati had to prepare for the
statistically at least best passing offense in the league and Baylor.
Now I don't think Baylor necessarily has the best passing
offense in the league, but statistically you looked at him
and said, Bearcats are gonna have their hands full. They
did a very good job against Baylor throwing the football.

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
Utah, among all the group, all the among all.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
The power for schools, has the most prolific rushing attack.
They were awesome, ran it for over four hundred yards
against Colorado, and so a different animal. And this is
something you worry about. There have been times, especially when
Dante Corleone hasn't been in the game, that Cincinnati's defense
hasn't shown as much resistance as you would like on

(01:52:16):
the ground. And the one thing the Bearcats have been
susceptible to at times is these long drawn out offensive
drives which Utah is gonna try to keep the ball
on the ground, I'm sure. Can they keep Cincinnati's offense
off the field? Can that crowd be a factor? We
will see Cincinnati's nine and a half point dog against Utah,

(01:52:37):
so this is going to be a very uphill battle.
Cincinnati is seven to one. They've hit the over during
the Big Twelve race. Is the program all the way
back to what it was in twenty twenty one? Maybe not,
But I think like two years ago, Scott's Addifield was
not a popular higher and everybody understands why. And I'd
beligned to you if I said I didn't have skepticism then.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
But I think there was a part of year one.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
That a lot of folks did not want to acknowledge
that I think is easier to acknowledge now.

Speaker 4 (01:53:08):
And it's simply this.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
The leape from the American Athletic Conference to the Big
Twelve was larger than I think a lot of people
wanted to admit. And yes, Cincinnati and the American Athletic
Conference ran the table in twenty twenty, played for a
league championship in twenty nineteen, made the playoff in twenty
twenty one. Heck, came one game away from playing in

(01:53:32):
the conference championship game in twenty twenty two, and so
I think there was this belief that since they had
been so good in the league, that they were going
to be really equipped from a physicality standpoint, from a
speed standpoint, to meet the challenge of the Big twelve.
I think now, with the benefit of these last two years,
I think it's easy now to say what a lot
of folks did not want to admit a couple of

(01:53:52):
years ago. It was going to take some time, regardless
of who the coach was, for that roster to be
Big twelve red.

Speaker 4 (01:54:00):
So far it's been Big twelve. Ready, we are ready
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
Thanks to Drew Wester, Heidi for producing on site tearn
back and ken Wood producing in our control room.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
We're back in.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
Studio tomorrow three h five. We're back here next Tuesday.
Have an awesome night. Thank you for listening. Thanks to
the staff at Oakley Greens as well. This is ESPN
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