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What's up, Good afternoon, ESPN fifteen thirty. Moeger, thanks for
listening today. We're loaded. Tell you what these next two
days loaded? Loaded, and lots of college hoops which cannot
get here soon enough, even at the season often sneaks
up on us men and women locally. Katrina Merriweather, the

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women's basketball coach at UC is going to be with
us in fifteen minutes. Darren Horn and Wes Miller both
in the four o'clock hour, Richard Patino tomorrow, and Ched
and Rick the annual Ched and Rerick College Basketball Spectacular
in the five o'clock hour as well, plus MLS Comeback
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So the Bengals host the Bears on Sunday, I do
want to see if we can carve out some time
to see what ways that Ben Johnson, the coach of
the Bears, is going to come up with to say
nice things about the Bengals defense. The bigger stories that

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relates to Sunday's game right now at least involves Joe Flacco,
and you know, in the aftermath of the game on Sunday,
this was the part that not a lot of us
talked about. The Bengals defense was terrible, the special teams
wasn't very good, the worst loss of the Zach Taylor era,
all the questions being thrown at Duke Tobin, which he
publicly at least will not answer. But also at the

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end of that game, it looked like Jake Browning was
going to have to come in because Joe Flacco was
dealing with an issue, and he went into the locker
room and god knows what they injected him with, Well,
that issue is a shoulder problem.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
It's a shoulder injury.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
It's being reported by NFL networks ian Rappaport that Joe
Flacco is dealing with a sprained ac joint in his
right shoulder. His status is not clear. Zach Taylor today
said quote, it's probably fifty to fifty. It is by
the way his throwing shoulder, and he acknowledged that Joe
Flacco is dealing with a lot of pain. So Joe

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Flacco's status for Sunday is in doubt, which means they
can lean on their defense against Chicago. They absolutely cannot
lean on their defense, but obviously they would have to
turn back to Jake Browning. None of us want to
watch Jake Browning play quarterback right now. Joe Flacco has
been really good. Joe Flacco has breathed life into the organization.

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Now it doesn't feel that way now because of how
they lost and who they lost to on Sunday, but
he has breathed life into the organization, kept him afloat
at least before the Jets game, and sent a surge
of optimism permeating through the fan base. And we all
remember what it was like watching Jake Browning. So we

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all wish Joe well, we always Joe Burrow were playing,
but we always Joe Flacco were playing, understanding that it
can't be Joe Burrow. That said, I'm really interested in
how this is going to work if it ends up
having to be Jake Browning. On Sunday, you know, we
did the thing after the Pittsburgh game, watching Joe Flacco,
watching the Bengals offense. And these are fair questions. By

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the way, Gee, what can Joe Burrow learn from Joe Flacco?
Legitimate question? What can he learn from Joe Flacco? What
about how he plays? And what about how the Bengals
play when Joe Flacco is the quarterback can be applied
to how they play when Joe Burrow is the quarterback.
Does it make sense to have him under center more?
Can he get comfortable playing behind center? Can he lean

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into the running game a little bit more? Can he
be more decisive quickly with the football? Can he do
a better job of keeping himself upright? Can he have
the kind of career that Joe Flacco has had where
the dudes playing until he's forty? All very fair questions
In the short term, though I am interested in whether
or not Jake Browning learned anything like throw the ball

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to Jamar Chase. I don't want to overly simplify what
the Bengals have done on offense since Joe Flacco took over.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
But the proof is in the putting man. The proof
are in the points.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Thirty three against Pittsburgh, thirty eight against the Jets, looked
very good of the second half against the Green Bay Packers. Yes,
they are running the ball more effectively. They've been a
really good running team here in the month of October.
But the thing that has stood out to me more
than anything is the dude has mastered the simple Jamar

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Chase is open, I'll throw him the football. He'll make
a play. T Higgins is open, I'll throw him the football.
He'll make a play. What was maddening about Jake Browning
was it felt like the main guys were open, right.
It felt like Chase was often open, It felt like
Higgins was often open, and Jake either couldn't get the

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ball to him or simply wouldn't get the ball to him.
And at the end of that Detroit game, we played
the audio Jake Browning sounded and looked like a defeated man,
somebody who knew that he had coughed away an opportunity,
because that's kind of that's how it was being framed
right when Burrow got hurt. Okay, Jake Browning gets a

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shot here, maybe as many as fifteen games, to prove
that he can start in this league, to prove that
he's a guy that you can give the keys of
the offense too. And he looked and sounded like a
guy who perhaps was dealing with the realization that he
was never going to get an opportunity like that every again.
And chances are the days of wondering whether or not

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Jake Browning is going to be a starter or as
viewed as a starter by other teams. There's a pretty
damn good chance that time is coming gone. That's out
the window, but it is possibly if he plays, at
least going to be an opportunity for him to show
that he learned from watching the guy who took his place.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
Now.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Unfortunately, Jake Browning doesn't play defense, and so he ain't
going to do anything as it relates to keeping the
Chicago Bears out of the end zone. And if he
ends up having to play for a while, all the
talk of staying afloat and making the postseason and I
just that, just that totally goes out the window. But
there's at least a chance that on Sunday we get

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a chance to see whether or not Jake Browning was
paying attention when Joe Flacco was playing, and whether or
not there was anything he learned from watching Joe Flacco
take over an offense that was totally inept when Jake
Browning was running it and has been very good since
Joe Flacco took over, at least starting in the second
half of his first game against Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
We will see, We'll see.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
I'm I'm not gonna I wasn't gonna do this anyway,
but I'm not gonna worry about playoffs and the math
and how many games do they need to win like
they've won one since Week two?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Get back to five hundred first. It's gonna be really
hard to do that.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
If they don't win this game on Sunday, Joe Flacco
gives him a better chance, But if Jake Browning has
to play, it will be fascinating to see if any
lessons from watching Joe Flacco can be applied when Jake
Browning is playing.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
If he plays against Chicago, we will see.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Bengals game plan is tonight from six to eight on
ESPN fifteen thirty. There's the question Tony and Austin were
talking about this, So the Bengals are kind of shorthanded
right now. The Mike Pennell thing, I'm gonna be honest
with you, I don't care too much about him.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Number one.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
I think it's completely understandable to wonder why Trey Hendrickson
can't be the leader if he's the guy that insisted
on being a captain. Number two. If it ain't Trey Hendrickson,
who is it number three? Who's going to replace Mike
Pennell on the roster or Mike Pennell. Sorry, guy wasn't
here long enough for me to really learn how to
say his last name. More on that a little bit

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later on Richard Skinner in the five o'clock hour, I'll
tell you what bummer for UC women's basketball, d Alexander
from Purcell is going to be out indefinitely. Nonetheless, the
season is set to begin a highly touted recruiting class
for Katrina Meriwether. She is going to join us next
on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati sports station since the model

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so much to come back and play this year and
be a big.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Part of the team. He is going to join us
coming up at four.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
We are in a slight holding pattern for our good
friend Katrina Merriweather.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Who is supposed to be joining us momentarily.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
The women's basketball coach at the University of Cincinnati, as
you see, gets set to begin the season on Tuesday
against Lehigh, a team that won the Patriot League championship
last year. That uh, that game is gonna be on Tuesday.
In fact, look here I see she is just getting
out of a meeting right now. All right, So we

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we have we've made contact with the folks that you
see who have informed us that Katrina is what are
we allowed to ask her about the content of the meeting?
What happened in the big meeting? Was it an important
high level meeting meeting with the team?

Speaker 8 (11:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
So we'll chat with her in uh in just a
few minutes twenty one minutes after three o'clock. We don't
have a ton of time, I will admit today for
phone calls five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty.
But if we do, there it is, and we'll we'll
try to squeeze you in the other the other part
of maybe Jake Browning having to play quarterback on Sunday

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is if he does. And again, if you didn't know,
Zach Taylor is calling Joe Flacco day to day with
a a right ac joint spring.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
This is throwing shoulder right ac joint sprain.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Who knows The Bengals official injury report is not out yet,
but it certainly feels like it's at least a distinct possibility.
Excuse me that we're gonna see Jake Browning on Sunday.
What would make that not as sobering would be if
you can lean into another part of your team, Like

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it's it's not apples to apples by any stretch of
the imagination, but on Saturday you see football This year
has statistically a really balanced offense, and coaches all the
time pay lip service to balance right balanced. Do want
to have a balanced attack? Many say it, but they
don't actually do it. You see this year's ad a
balanced offense, and it's helped that the offensive line has

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been really good. It's helped that they haven't turned the
ball over all that much, but they have shown an
ability to beat you both in the air and on
the ground. So in a game where one of those
isn't working to the extent that you would like, you
can lean into the other part of your offense. So
against Baylor on Saturday, they didn't throw the ball that well.

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I think Brendan sores be finished with like one hundred
and eleven yards passing, but oh boy, they ran it.
Now they're gonna have to throw the ball better against
teams like Utah on Saturday. But you could lean on, hey,
we're good enough to run the ball that if you
if we're not throwing the ball that effectively, we can
lean into the running game. Excuse me, it would be

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delightful if you would acknowledge, Okay, offensively, we're maybe gonna
struggle throwing. By the way, the good news is they've
run the ball here recently enough, so perhaps you can
construct an offense around Jake Browning if need be that
can still be productive and still help you win because
you ran the football. And maybe if you do that

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it makes life a little bit easier for Jake Browning.
It would be awesome to have that running game that
we've seen the last couple of weeks on display with
Jake Browning as quarterback. But what you would like to
be able to do is lean into your defense. This
was my question back during June, July, and August. Believing

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that Joe Burrow is going to be the quarterback, understanding
that many of us believe he's the best at his
position in the NFL, but that you still have weeks
where maybe the offense just doesn't click. Maybe it's turnovers,
maybe the other team defensively just has the antidote to
what you want to do.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Can you lean into your defense? Can your defense win
a football for you?

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Now them o for the Bengals with healthy Joe Burrow
is obviously not for the defense to do all the
heavy lifting or do excuse me, most of the heavy lifting.
But during a long season, during those weeks where the
offense just doesn't have it, can the defense be a
reason why you win? Or if you have to play
a game without your high end weaponry because of injury,

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or you have to play a game without your quarterback,
can you still survive? Can you still beat beatable teams
because of your defense? Obviously, so far this year the
answer has been no, with the exception of the Cleveland game,
and the Browns have a terrible offense and we're not
playing quin Shawn Judkins to that point, what about on Sunday,

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Like we are at the stage of the season where
I think you were hoping by now that the answer
could be yes, Bears are coming. Season is teetering on
the brink two under five hundred. You might be down
to call it what it is. Jake Browning is a
third string quarterback at this point. Can your defense win

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a football game for you? Can you apply just enough pressure?
Can you create a turnover or two? Can you make
the other team's offense one dimensional? The frustrating thing about
the way this season has unfolded, there are many, There's
not just one. But one of the frustrating things about
the way this season is unfolded is you kind of

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shrug your shoulders and believe that if Jake Browning plays,
they have no chance. Ay, because Jake played so poorly
when he was the starter. B You can't lean on
another part of your team. You can't lean on the
defense certainly can't trust it, and you can't trust Duke
Tobin with it either, which we'll spend some time on
here in a bit. Twenty six minutes after three o'clock.
My apologies for continually clearing my throat. I need a drink.

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Speaker 4 (17:45):
The University of Cincinnati women's basketball team opens up in
season next Tuesday against Lehigh Lehi, the Patriot League champions.
The Bearcats are going to play four teams during non
conference play that advanced to the postse last year. The
Bearcats played an exhibition two nights ago, defeating Taylor one
oh four to sixty seven. This is a highly anticipated

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season in the Big Twelve for the University of Cincinnati
women's basketball program and the head coach, Katrina Meriweather, who
I think fresh out of a meeting kind enough to
join us as always, coach, it's going to have you.
How are you.

Speaker 7 (18:22):
It's great to talk to you. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
What's more fun sitting in a meeting or talking to me?

Speaker 7 (18:28):
Absolutely talking to you with these meetings, I tell our.

Speaker 12 (18:31):
Keys all the time, there's things that you have to
do so that you can do what you love to do.

Speaker 7 (18:35):
And that's what meetings are for me.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
All right, So I'm sure you have a lot to discuss.
We're less than a week away from the opener. What
are those days just before the first game that counts
like for you and your staff?

Speaker 12 (18:48):
Yeah, we're doing a few days of skill development, trying
to clean up some things from the exhibition.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
Playing Taylor was really good for us. They're going to
have a great season.

Speaker 12 (18:58):
They have a really good player, and so we're gonna
have to to do better maintaining and garden. And I
was happy with our offense, defense not so much, so
that'll be an emphasis. And then a couple of days
before we'll start actually preparing for Lehigh and getting this
prepared as we can with it being the first game
with no previous games to watch.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
What do you like most about your team right now?

Speaker 12 (19:24):
I love how they play together. I think we have
great chemistry. That's one of the reasons we were able
to score main points very rarely in the last couple
of years that we had more assist than turnovers. And
so we've seen a huge improvement just from our closed
scrimage to our intrasquad scrimmage to our exhibition games. So

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they are growing and getting better, and I love how
they play.

Speaker 13 (19:48):
With each other.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
I know what d Alexander has already meant to your program,
and I know what she's going to meet your program.
I just I put myself in her shoes and I go,
you know, you build to this point, you're about to
start your college basketball career, and it's delayed, right, you
have to wait, and you come to grips with that.
She's an athlete, She's a competitor, she understands all that.

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That doesn't mean it's easy, and so I guess my
question is how is she doing dealing with an injury
that she suffers right before the season begins.

Speaker 7 (20:20):
Well, it's heartbreaking, right.

Speaker 12 (20:22):
You have a kid that comes in with all the hype,
and deservingly so, the All Star Games, the honors, the
all the things, and then she gets here and she
hits some obstacles and then this last one, obviously it
is going to take her out for a little bit,
and we're just supporting her as best we can.

Speaker 7 (20:42):
We have a great medical team that's looking after her.

Speaker 12 (20:45):
Her family and her friends have been phenomenal, and I
think her teammates, because of the type of person she is,
they've embraced her even more and they're doing everything they
can look out for her too. So in my opinion,
she's going to continue to do well because she knows
that we're behind her and we're supporting her.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
There are newcomers on every team and every sport, more
so than ever before. You have eight this year. What
has stood out about the way that they have blended
with each other and the players you bring back from
last season.

Speaker 12 (21:16):
I think our leadership from the five returners where they
just want to continue taking steps forward for the program,
and then the Big twelve allows them to embrace the
eight new ones, getting Mary Carden out of the portal,
giving us the more depth and size and the five
spot along with Maya Peri and Ohio native.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
That can shoot the pill off the ball. We know
how important it is to be able to have an
exterior threat and perimeter threat.

Speaker 12 (21:42):
And then those six freshmen, they're all different, they all
bring something very special to the table.

Speaker 7 (21:49):
Outside of d Kalia Debilisi is.

Speaker 12 (21:52):
The most decorated from high school and she's a phenomenal
point guard. Had seventeen points, seven assists, and two turnovers,
and our exhibition games proven that she can just score
and bunches as well as create for other people. Kylie
Torres is probably our biggest and best surprise, as we
picked her up late in the spring after she decommitted

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and she's starting in the four spot and she's energetic
and impacts the game.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
On both ends.

Speaker 12 (22:21):
And Joia Crawford is a heck of an offensive player
and Cali Beard and Page will be joining us soon,
but they're sitting out right now temporarily, so you know,
there's a lot of playing.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
Time available, so they better figure out how to play well.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Thrown to the wolves, what is I mean?

Speaker 4 (22:38):
There's the obvious, Like there's the size, the athleticism, the speed.
I mean, there are so many different things that you
have to get used to when you make the lead
from high school to this, this level of college basketball.
Getting said for a season in the Big twelve, beyond
the obvious, what's the biggest adjustment, It's.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
Always going to be time management.

Speaker 14 (22:58):
Right.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
We bring them in this summer and we have limited
time to work out.

Speaker 12 (23:02):
The rules allow you to do four hours of basketball
and four hours to strength and conditioning.

Speaker 7 (23:06):
They take one or two classes and.

Speaker 12 (23:08):
Their days seem free, and then fall hits and it's
five classes and it's twenty hours.

Speaker 7 (23:14):
It's worth of practice, and I think their heads starts
to spend a little bit.

Speaker 12 (23:20):
And so what really they discover is the more they
take care of themselves, the more that they fuel and
hydrate and rest and go to treatment, and they're proactive
and preventative and still find a time to get in
the gym. The smooer the transition is if you try
to take a nap, every chance to get in.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
Your days get a little full.

Speaker 12 (23:40):
So that's to me, the biggest challenge that they have
is managing all the things that are going to be
in a Division one athlete.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
I couldn't manage my time in college and I played
intermural basketball forty five minutes a week. So I can't
even imagine you took your players on an international trip.
You went to Rome, you played international competition. I think
two games give me an idea of how that's paid
off for your kids.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
Well, I have to be honest, the chemistry is the
number one factor. Like to watch.

Speaker 12 (24:11):
Them bond together, for them to eat gelato, for us
to have a cooking class, for them to learn the
culture and see all the different the sites.

Speaker 7 (24:22):
I think that that was the best part for them.

Speaker 12 (24:25):
The best part for me was being able to suit
up and play with some lineups because this freshman class
in particular is very versatile. So who is my backup
point guard? You know who is going to be able
to play the three and the four. Who's going to
be able to be on the floor and play well
with who?

Speaker 7 (24:44):
And that will.

Speaker 12 (24:46):
Always be the biggest benefit for me, on top of
watching them grow together as a team and build and bond.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
You had me a gelato the rest of the other stuff.

Speaker 8 (24:55):
I gotta be honest with you, it doesn't matter all
that much.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
Had all of us in the toe hold, Yes, yes,
we went every night.

Speaker 12 (25:04):
We all went every night to finish the night off
we were We're at the gelato shop.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah that sounds I'm going to daydream about that the
rest of the day. You checked the box last year,
first winning season in UC women's basketball in five years,
and it's that's you have to improve upon that. You
know that. But do you feel like the foundation has
kind of been laid, you know, and it's like, all right,
we did this. We're a winning program. We're in the

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Big Twelve. We've put the growing pains of the first
season or two behind us, and now we can kind
of take off from here.

Speaker 12 (25:37):
Well, I'm really optimistic about us being able to take
steps forward. We'll have to see how that manifests. Because
you can't discount losing Jillian Hayes, right, and having someone
with so much experience and being an All conference player
in the Big Twelve, including todaya Hilton you know, who
had sec experience and came in and just impacted our

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team in program and conference.

Speaker 7 (26:02):
In such a positive way. Do I feel like we've
replaced them?

Speaker 12 (26:06):
I think it's difficult to do that, especially with just
one player.

Speaker 7 (26:10):
So what we just told this team is one thing
is for certain.

Speaker 12 (26:15):
This whole team needs this whole team, and the way
that we're going to take a step forward is not
going to be by individual performances. It's going to be
about playing together as a team on both ends.

Speaker 13 (26:26):
Of the floor.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Makes sense. I know you have a lot going on.
The opener is fast approaching. Cannot thank you enough. You're
always kind enough whenever we ask, even if you're in meetings.
Great best of luck this season and we'll chat as
the season unfolds.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
I appreciate you. Thank you how a good one.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
You got it. Katrina Merriweather the women's basketball coach at
the University of Cincinnati. Her team opens up the season
against le High on Tuesday at Fifth Third Arena. Our
best wishes to d Alexander, who is going to be
at a while with an injury and decorated as she
is as as much as she has emerged as the

(27:05):
face of the program. Before playing in a regular season game,
you just you feel you feel for as much starter
college basketball career playing for her hometown school, and the
rug kind of gets pulled out from underneath our at
least for a while.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
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there's a ton of college football coaches who don't have
jobs anymore.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
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(29:32):
not on your brain right now, Amy, but we talk
about the intersection of sports and business all the time,
So tell me what is on your mind.

Speaker 16 (29:40):
I don't know if you've noticed this depends lately, but
we've been losing a few college football coaches slightly earlier
in the season, then maybe we're somewhat used to. I mean,
the list is actually crazy long, considering we're not even
at a Halloween yet. Of course, Brian Kelly from LSU,
everyone's been talking about Penn State, Frank, They're Florida, Arkansas,

(30:02):
oklahom State, in State Virginia. That's a lot of coaches
to be losing this early and this season. I think
that we have just had so many changes in college sports.
Right You've got the transfer portal, You've got this nil money,
you've got these direct.

Speaker 7 (30:20):
Payments that are being made, and so I think.

Speaker 17 (30:21):
You've got a fickle sport that's become.

Speaker 18 (30:24):
Even more impatient.

Speaker 17 (30:26):
And it's an interesting cycle because you have to have
a program that is performing in order to bring in
money to pay the athletes that will continue to perform.
So where before maybe you would have had more time
on a coach's clock for them to perform, for them
to build a program, it's almost like the way that

(30:49):
the system now works, you can't use that time to
build the program because if your program is behind, you're
likely not making enough money to pay top tier athletes.

Speaker 7 (31:00):
To start to perform. Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Totally No, And you know I've talked about this as
it relates to you. See, I think it's never been
more difficult to be a new head coach in a
new place because you're going to start with the bear cupboard, right.
But I also think it's never been more reasonable for
a quick turnaround years two and three. You know, it
used to be college coaches were hired and it's like,
all right, four year plan, five year plan, maybe a.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Little bit sooner.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
But now that the players can go for one school
to the other, and now that you can pay them.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Fans, boosters, administrators, everybody wants to quick fix because it's
never been easier for that to come.

Speaker 17 (31:37):
You think about Nick Satan, who had Long Right, Long
Story Coach twenty twenty three. He's like, ah, writing on
the wall, I'm out of here. I'm going to go
play golf and be announcer.

Speaker 7 (31:48):
Smartest man in the room.

Speaker 14 (31:49):
Right.

Speaker 17 (31:50):
The thing about these coaches, though, is while you know, listen,
high stress situation, probably wouldn't want this. It's a lot
easier for you and I to criticize how they approach
these things. But one of the things that they do
when they are coming into these schools in the midst
of all the fanfare and pomp and circumstance, is they're

(32:12):
really smart about how they negotiate these contracts. So it
is not like any of these coaches that suddenly find
themselves out of a job are going to be claiming
unemployment anytime soon. I mean, you know, millions and millions
of dollars.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
I mean, Brian Kelly reportedly.

Speaker 17 (32:30):
Out of a fifty four million dollar contract that was
supposed to pay out over ten years.

Speaker 7 (32:35):
He'll get that money.

Speaker 17 (32:36):
You know, Franklin probably get enough money to buy a
private jet, like they're good. And I think there's something
that many of us can take away from that in
the fact that when we are switching jobs, we often
do not think about that job ever ending.

Speaker 7 (32:54):
We don't think about the bracond. We just want to
know how much they're going to pay us, right.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Yeah, And I think there's something to this, right, Like
these coaches, they are agents, they negotiate big buyouts, and
they're obviously not planning on getting fired, but they can
protect themselves. And I do think there's probably some real
world application there right where you take a new position,
whether it's with the company you're at now or you
go work for someone new, I guess, and you could

(33:21):
speak to this better than me. I would imagine that
many do not think about what it would look like
if they get terminated, and that's something you do need
to prepare for, even when you're taking a new position.

Speaker 17 (33:33):
Well, that is one hundred percent true. We've already seen
a shift in how employees approach new positions. It used
to be the number one thing everyone cared about with
salary everything else. I'll figure out the benefits three months
after I start working there. I just want to make
sure that the salary covers it. I think the pandemic

(33:53):
in what has happened in the workforce since has changed that.
I've seen a number of studies that show for a
lot of especially millennials and gen Zers, kind of these
next generations coming up, it's really not as much about
the salary.

Speaker 7 (34:05):
Certainly that's part of it, but.

Speaker 17 (34:07):
For many of them, it's about can I have a
hybrid work environment?

Speaker 7 (34:10):
Is there any kind of remote policy?

Speaker 19 (34:12):
Right?

Speaker 17 (34:12):
There's other things that they're starting to think about, But
I would guess that most workers never think about the
backside of things, which is severance. What is the severance policy?
So I think number one is understanding what is the
policy going in? And second, many times the only thing
that we negotiate in a new job is the salary.

(34:32):
There's so many more things, however, that can be negotiated, right,
some of those benefits, how bonuses are paid out, what
kind of vacation you have. Listen, here's a little tip.
This is what Amy Wagner does. If I am ever
switching a job, you better believe I'm planning a vacation
and telling the.

Speaker 20 (34:48):
New boss immediately, yeah, that I.

Speaker 17 (34:53):
Will not be able to be there, do it every time.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
Right, It's a no brainer.

Speaker 17 (34:57):
But I think severance needs to be part of that.
There is a fine line that you have to walk
with this conversation, because you also don't want to be
the person who is laser focused on the end of
a job when you're first walking in. But let's take
it back to these coaches. Wait, think about Belichick, right,
I mean, you had these donors and this school and

(35:20):
all these lums rolling out the red flag writing all
the checks in the world. How amazing it was that
a college team was going to get someone with a
history like Bill Belichick. He also negotiated severance into this.
And if this ultimately does not work out, Uh, he's
going to walk away with us.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
By the way, fine for him and his girlfriend. You know.

Speaker 17 (35:43):
I think there's something to be learned from this, and
that is you kind of have to take in the
totality of what employment looks like, not just the salary,
but the benefits, what kind of flexibility you want around
a remote schedule or a hybrid schedule. And also on
the back end of this, if this doesn't work out, right,
I'm going to come to the table. I'm going to
give you everything that I can, just like all of

(36:05):
these coaches. But if for some reason, and sometimes it's
not in our control, that something does not work out,
what is my parachute on the backside? What steps have
I taken to protect myself and of course my family.
And that's something I think that we need to start
thinking about when we switch these positions, when we make
these jumps.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
It's also worth mentioning like last year, there were not
a ton of schools that change coaches, right, so the
job market is cyclical. This year it's going to be insane,
especially once the off season begins and we're i think
just scratching the surface in terms of coaches who are
going to be removed and ultimately replaced. And again I
think there's a real world application to that as well.

(36:46):
We always hear about job numbers. In the job market,
it is cyclical, just like college football.

Speaker 17 (36:51):
It is, and we've also seen a major chef there.
That's an excellent point. So coming out of the pandemic,
once again, what we realized was workers were in the
seat for negotiating. You could tell your boss to take
that job and shove it on Monday, and by Friday
you've got three other offers. What we have seen over
the course of the past few years is that pendulum

(37:12):
flying way in the other direction. I think AI is
part of this, right, So back to the college coaches,
they're dealing with major shifts in that industry with nil
money transfer portal. So is the average worker in the
fact that AI's coming along. So now you've got places
like Walmart saying we actually have a plan where we're
going to continue to grow over the next three years,
and by the way, we're going to keep our head

(37:34):
count flat. That's unheard of in companies that are looking
for growth target saying the same thing meta interestingly meta, Right,
so Facebook, everyone uses Facebook.

Speaker 7 (37:44):
They're actually cutting hundreds of.

Speaker 17 (37:46):
Jobs right now from their AI.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
Divisions, and you know, there's some irony.

Speaker 17 (37:50):
There, and so you know, I think also what you
have to think about is you don't have probably the
leverage that you did in jumping before. There there are
a lot of companies that feel like they've got really
strong growth plans that do not involve growing their workforce,
and that is going to be a major shift. And

(38:11):
just like these college coaches are trying to figure out
what this new terrain looks like. I think the average
worker is going to have to figure that out too.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Makes a lot of sense. Amy.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Awesome to have you as always. Amy typically joins us
at four thirty five. We had to move up her appearance,
but joins us every Wednesday to talk sports and business.
Thanks to our friends at Dean Dorton Private Wealth. You
can learn about the Dean Dorton difference. Just go to
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wealth advisor for Dean Dorton. MLS Player of the Year,

(38:44):
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the Year. Nick Haglan is going to join us next
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So there you go, Bengals Bears here on ESPN fifteen thirty.
And then Game two FC Cincinnati versus Columbus that is
going to air down the Hall on Fox Sports thirteen sixty.
Big Cincinnati Sports Day and a big day for Nick Haglan. Today,
Major League Soccer announced that the Lakota westn Xavier University

(39:52):
product has been named the twenty twenty five MLS Comeback
Player of the Year. And you could certainly understand why.
We we have talked extensively about Knick's injury history. Just
an avatar of resilience. He has come back time and again,
and I don't know if there was anything scarier than
what he had to deal with with a fractured fractured

(40:14):
ribs collapse. Long after he suffered that injury against Atlanta
back in May, has returned to the pitch. He was
there on Monday night for Game one, the win over
the Columbus crew and kind enough to give us a
few minutes this afternoon. Nick, It's awesome to have you.
Thank you for the time.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Congratulations, Hey, thanks for having me.

Speaker 21 (40:33):
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
You know, soccer players suffer injuries.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Athletes suffer injuries, and we read about them and you know,
all right, he's got a knee injury or an ankle injury,
lower body injury. I don't spend that many times, that
much time in the studio talking about collapse lungs. I
feared for the worst, and yet you are back. What
has this year been like?

Speaker 21 (40:55):
Yeah, it's been a whirlwind of a year, to be honest.
I mean started off to see and coming back from
my leg injury with the ankle ligament and the cartilage
damage and.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
The broken leg.

Speaker 13 (41:06):
Didn't even know didn't even know if I was.

Speaker 21 (41:08):
Gonna play a game this year. I was gonna that
was my goal, just play one game, be happy. Ended
up playing eighteen games, you know, and halfway between had
those games, broke my ribs, bought my lung, sat another
two months out and got to continue playing on the
rest of the season. And honestly, it's just been a
huge buzzing And yeah, the cherry on top has come

(41:31):
back Player.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Of the Year.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's well deserved.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
I cannot imagine what must have been going through your
head and you're a resilient guy, but you had to
stay in the hospital down there in Atlanta. They're telling
you about fractured ribs and a collapse long and you've
already come back from so many different things. What were
those days, those immediate days after the injury, Like, it was.

Speaker 21 (41:55):
Really just like, I can't believe I'm back in a
hospital again.

Speaker 13 (42:00):
It will be the third time in two years.

Speaker 21 (42:02):
I'm in a hospital getting some type of surgery.

Speaker 7 (42:05):
How is this happening again?

Speaker 21 (42:10):
No one, It was just like I need I need
to you know.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
That's it.

Speaker 21 (42:13):
I was like, all right, here's the timeline eight weeks
and we'll see how it goes. We're gonna cry and
blaze your nerves so you can't feel anything. So once
you feel like you're up for it.

Speaker 13 (42:24):
Go ahead.

Speaker 21 (42:26):
And so that was it. It was just one day
at a time, slowly working my way back to full
fitness and preparing to get it my best.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Go I.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
We talked about the injury when it happened, and we
felt awful for you on a human level, and then
I'm going, Okay, maybe the length of the season will
allow him to get back. At the very very end,
I was surprised, and look, I'm not I'm a radio dork.
I don't know anything about ribs or lungs or anything
like that, but it was it was eye opening to
me that you came back as quickly as you did.

(42:58):
Was was that the timeline that was out line to
you when when you first offered the injury.

Speaker 21 (43:03):
Yeah, generally they were just like eight weeks. So I
came back right at the eight week mark.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Your lungs are probably like the least amount.

Speaker 21 (43:11):
They heal pretty quickly, and it's about getting lung capacity
back and that comes back in those those two months,
and then it's really how much can you withstand the
pain of the ribs being broken? And luckily they like
cry ablaze, like I still can't feel my ribs right now,
like there's still numbers.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Can be.

Speaker 21 (43:33):
And they basically it was just about getting fitness. And
the hard part of it is like mid season getting
fitness is very difficult. You don't have that many games.
Every point matters, so you're trying to get the most
out of it. And so where's the opportunities to get
yourself fitness because practice is just not able to do.
It's not it's not the same as game minutes and
so was. I was lucky enough to get League's Cup

(43:55):
and we were kind of out of it at the
on the last game, and I got to get forty
five minutes there, get to play with the second team
and get minutes there. And then slowly, you know, we
had a bunch of injuries and they were like, all right,
you're we're in Portland, we need a center back. You
gotta play. So I was able to get my minutes there,
and yeah, the rest of the rest of the season
is how it played out.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
I promise we'll talk about something besides the injury, but
what is what is taking contact been like?

Speaker 21 (44:23):
You know, I the first couple ones was it felt
like the wind got knocked knocked out of me and
I was just like feeling really uncomfortable. As things have changed, you.

Speaker 7 (44:35):
Know, I protect myself.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
A little bit more.

Speaker 21 (44:37):
I go into challenges a little bit harder, because sometimes
I feel like if the person that goes in harder
is gonna be, you know, safer than the one that
goes in softer. So kind of make sure that I'm
protecting myself in those regards. And you know, I've got
hit a couple of times in a way that it
felt weird, but ultimately the metal titanium in my ribs
has held up.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
And when you were when you were on your way
to coming back, you watch do you watch the Columbus
game actually in the bailey?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
What was that like?

Speaker 4 (45:04):
I did?

Speaker 21 (45:05):
Honestly an awesome experience.

Speaker 22 (45:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (45:09):
I went in for five minutes.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
We scored two goals, being a part.

Speaker 7 (45:12):
Of the fans.

Speaker 21 (45:13):
Like, the funny thing is is like for me, I
would you know if I was not playing soccer and
I was just in sales somewhere in downtown Cincinnati working
for somebody, I would be on the weekend in the
bailey every weekend cheering the cheer in f.

Speaker 7 (45:27):
C Cincinnati on.

Speaker 21 (45:28):
So for me, that was kind of just so, you know,
a way to support my team, support the people that
support us all year and be a part of the
energy of the f C Cincinnati and the passion of it.
And it was honestly a blast. I saw two goals.
I mean, it couldn't be better. My only regret was
not staying longer.

Speaker 14 (45:46):
To be honest, By the.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Way, if you want to work in sales, we can
we can arrange that for you here. Just just if
that's like a goal of yours.

Speaker 13 (45:55):
I'm just saying in an alter you.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
All right, I just you know, I know, folks.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Nick Haglit is with us today named the twenty twenty
five MLS Comeback Player of the Year.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
So you've you've had a perspective.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
I had Chris Albright on the show last week and
it's like, there's always moving parts. There's transfer windows, there's
player who's players who come from other countries, there's deals
with other MLS squads. There was more player movement this year,
and injury was a reason why, but there was more
player movement this year, even going back to preseason training
obviously with the acquisition of a vander Than I think
at any point during this club's history, what has it

(46:30):
been like from your perspective, from the bailey, from the
hospital room, from the sideline, and on the field watching
Pat sort of navigate all that and.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Leading you guys to a second place finish in the East.

Speaker 21 (46:42):
What I was saying, I think there's a huge kudos
to the coaching staff and the guys on the team
for all.

Speaker 13 (46:47):
The moving parts.

Speaker 21 (46:48):
You know, people coming in and out. The lineup is different, changing,
you know, making sure that the standard of play that
we've had over the past couple of years continues to
stay no matter who's on the field. I think it's
a huge amount about what Pat has done with the
group and how we've been able to you know, a
lot of times when teams change up, there's a dip

(47:09):
in energy or in the level of play. In this year,
I feel like it's just plug and shug and guys
do a job. Someone gets injured, next guy up. Chris
has built an incredibly deep team and there's a lot
of competition, and the coaches have used everyone. Literally from
roster spot number one all the way to roster spot thirty.
You've seen everyone play a part in this and so

(47:31):
Pat and his staff have done an incredible job to
keep us on the right way, regardless of what the
player's status looks like or who's in on the on
the lineup on the day.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
What was your takeaway from the way you guys played
on Monday.

Speaker 21 (47:45):
We have a great game. I think we played a
complete game. I think it's kind of the over the
last month we've been building towards, you know, doing the
defensive things well and doing the attacking things well, and
I feel like it all came together.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
On Monday.

Speaker 21 (48:02):
I think you saw a little bit of everything, and
that's kind of what we've been trying to do. He
talked about being our bravest version of ourselves, and I
think we went out there and did that.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
It's an awesome honor. I know you have a match
to get ready for on Sunday. You it's one step
at a time, and I understand, and I know you've
been asked this question before. Winning the MLS Cup would
be awesome for everybody involved, every fan, every player, every coach,
but for somebody who's from here and has has kind

(48:33):
of watched this get built from the ground up. Have
you even allowed yourself to think about what winning a
championship here in a few weeks might mean for you individually?

Speaker 21 (48:43):
I mean that well, the moment I was called to
say I was being traded that Seasonincinnati, that's the something
that I've always thought about.

Speaker 13 (48:53):
Putting a star above.

Speaker 21 (48:54):
The cya Cincinnati Chris and saying that that we brought
a championship to the city as a Cincinnati it means
so much to me. I never want to get ahead
of myself, but you only have so many opportunities to
do this. And you know, I don't want to have
any regrets at the end of it.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I want to see you guys celebrate on their field
on Sunday.

Speaker 21 (49:12):
I do too, I absolutely do.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
You know you had to watch it two years ago
and you couldn't play, and that was you know, it
still sticks in everybody's crawl. And so if the come
up and could be on Sunday and Columbus watching you
guys celebrate postseason advancement, I think that'd be sweet for
everybody who cares about the Orange and Blue.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
So try to make that happen.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Okay, I will, I will, I will. Awesome, Nick, It's
awesome to have you. I know you did this on
short notice. Congratulations. You're an inspirational story because if you've
come off the mat so many times, we've been watching
rooting for you, and so to get you on on
a day where you've been handed this honor is really cool.
Best of luck on Sunday and beyond. Man, Thanks so.

Speaker 21 (49:51):
Much, Thank you so much, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
How do you not root for that?

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Dude? Nick Haglin, The Pride of Lakota West and Xavier
University named them LS twenty twenty five MLS comeback player
of the year. All right, uh, Darren Horn is going
to join us. The men's basketball coach at NKU.

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Speaker 9 (50:46):
This is football in the NATI, brought to you by
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Speaker 4 (50:56):
Thank you, It's exactly for twenty This is ESPN fifteen
thirty one. The men's basketball team at Northern Kentucky University
opens it season on Monday game against UC Claremont at
seven o'clock and before they hit the road for back
to back games next weekend against Tennessee and Knoxville, the
first of those two. The head coach of the Norse,

(51:18):
he's got his hands full with nine new players. Darren
Horne is with his coach. Awesome to have.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
He was always good afternoon, good afternoon mode.

Speaker 13 (51:26):
Thanks.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
You know that this pitch riding was my normal routine.
I turned on down Moegar in the afternoons on my
way home.

Speaker 13 (51:31):
This is perfect.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Well, that's that's way too kind of you, and I
appreciate that. Where do you even start? Is this like
normal now? Where every year you know I'm gonna have six, seven, eight,
nine new players? Has this started to feel normal yet?

Speaker 22 (51:47):
Well?

Speaker 5 (51:47):
I think it is right. Just look around the country
and if you've got, you know, less than five or
six new guys, it's probably unusual. And so it's just
the first year that it's happened for us to have
this many new guys. And you know, our philosophy approaching
this in the in this new era is we're trying
to build the best team that we can uh for

(52:10):
every season, uh one year at a time, and so
you know, we hope that we've done that for this
year with not new guys.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
How many of these players from overseas did you get
a chance to go and recruit personally.

Speaker 13 (52:22):
Zero.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
I mean, that's the thing. You don't see any of
these portal guys in person, right unless you played against
them or maybe recruited them at one time. You know,
you're talking about sometimes a seven day to maybe two
three weeks max recruitment and and a lot of it
not even in person. We we've got a guy that
may start for us who we never even had on campus.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Does is that normal?

Speaker 13 (52:45):
Yet?

Speaker 5 (52:48):
I think it's getting there. I think it's getting there
because of the timing of it. You know, you get
into May and there's some some deadlines on this stuff,
and uh, you know, you run out of time to
get them to campus.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
All right, well, uh, you've had an submission game you
play at Ashland. So based on that and the weeks
where the practice and all the offseason workouts, what do
you like most about your team?

Speaker 8 (53:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (53:08):
I think what I'm going to like hopefully is we
I think we're going to be deep, a little deeper
than we've been in the past. I really like our athleticism,
and I think we've got some real versatility in this group.
But again with with not many returners and then the
returners being guys that you know, need to be more

(53:28):
consistent in their roles. Uh, you know, we don't know
exactly what we're going to get, but I think there's
real potential for us to work towards a team that's
that's much more athletic and deeper overall.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
Do you do you go into the first few games,
and I hate to put it this way, with with
almost a checklist of like, we we want to win
as many games as possible, but we have to accomplish
these things. We have to grow in these areas before
Horizon League play gets here.

Speaker 13 (53:54):
No question, you know.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
I think the biggest thing, one of the reasons we've had,
you know, sustained success in our play, I think we
really played to an identity, and that identity is built
you know, over time with you know, we don't really
use the word culture, but with building you know, culture
of your program and how you want to play, what's
important to you, it's passed on. Right now, new guys,
you don't have as much of that, and so we're

(54:18):
of course we're playing to win every game, but we
really also want to build our identity early in the season.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
How hard is that to do when you're not seeing
guys in person.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Oh it's hard, right, I mean, Uptilly, we're all rolling
the dice, man, you know, and then we're not alone
in our own area. Kentucky's got eleven new guys. I think,
I don't know how many re think Richards told Rosters
do it Xavier. So like it's it's just kind of
college basketball now. Man, you got to get to it
and hope it works out well for.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
You, no question about that. Darren Horne is with us.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
The Norris open up the season against UC Claremont on Monday.
That game is going to be at seven o'clock before
they hit the road to go take on Tennessee. You
and I talk about scheduling. We've talked about scheduling in
the as is in this era of college sports, is
it becoming easier more difficult to check all the boxes
you want to check with the schedule.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
Yeah, it's getting harder for us again just because of
the way we play and the success that we've had.
You know, used to be we were a quality RPI game.
But now it's the net system, right, and it goes
by quads, and whether you're at the top of the
quad or the bottom of the quad. It's it's the
same ranking or or credit for your opponent, so they'd

(55:31):
much rather play the teams at the bottom of the quad,
which has made it really hard for us to get
those games, and then just the structure of them as well.
We hope we've addressed that. You know, if you remember
last year MO, we we opened up half Florida State,
which to Purdue, and then hosted Cincinnati in three of
our first four games.

Speaker 13 (55:48):
So we we've.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Tried to space that out a little bit. We are
at Tennessee and on the road to the Eastern Sea State,
who's always very good, but then and then we're able
to come home for three towards the end of the
month and hopefully build our team a little bit in
that process.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Do you like the fact that there are Horizon League
games on the schedule, and this has been the case
now for a while before the calendar flips the next year.
I like it in general.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
It makes non conference scheduling harder, right because you basically
have got days blocked out that you can't work with,
so it limits your your flexibilability and availability for particular games.
But but I like playing some of those games early
and you know with all leagues now, with the number
of ear Eleague games we play, you know you're gonna
have to play some in December.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Oh, when you were playing, we weren't starting the season
on November the third, like that's and we was talking
about that before, just as a fan. That's still I
remember when college basketball would start the week after Thanksgiving, right,
that wasn't that long ago. The fact that we're starting
this early, you talk about a new normal. That's one
I haven't gotten used to.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
No, it really is strange, and it doesn't impact us
as much because we get the summers now, so we
still feel like we have some time with our guys,
even though a bunch of them are new. But yeah,
I mean at tips earlier and early. I mean we're
gonna start having at Halloween tip offs, We're not care.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Yeah, it feels like that. That's around the corner. The
season is here, begins on Monday. We always love having
you and we'll do it again soon. Man, thanks so
much for you're the best.

Speaker 13 (57:20):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
That's our guy.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Darren Horne, the men's basketball coach at Northern Kentucky University,
The Norse taking on UC Claremont in Highland Heights on
Monday at seven pm.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Go watch the Norse play this year. It's a good time.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Twenty six after four o'clock apparrent, we have not had
time to take our breath. We've had guest after guest,
and good guest after good guest, and we'll continue. Wes
Miller scheduled to join us for a few minutes. We
got to do sports headlines as well on ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 9 (57:51):
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Speaker 2 (59:32):
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Speaker 4 (59:36):
FC Cincinnati's Nick Hagland named MLS Comeback Player of the Year,
and deservedly so. By the way, I just got an
email here from Gabe sent at four twenty four, ten
minutes ago, who says we should get Nick Hagland on

(59:56):
the show. Gabe, thank you for this.

Speaker 21 (01:00:00):
Es.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Nick was our guest thirty minutes ago.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
FC Cincinnati getting set for Game two of their series
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(01:00:27):
Game five tonight your starting pitchers for this evening. Blake
Snell will throw against Trey Y Savage and the Columbus
Bluejackets after their overtime win last night over Buffalo will
host the Toronto Maple Leafs. All right, we're back. We're
in another holding pattern. Wes Miller have to go into
a meeting. Well, we'll step aside and see if we

(01:00:51):
can track down Wes, who was scheduled to join us next.

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(01:01:54):
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Hendrickson and no go today. Logan Wilson and no go today,
Dalton Reisner and no go today. Dylan Fairchild a full go,
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(01:02:15):
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MLS Comeback Player of the Year and deservedly so. By

(01:02:35):
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(01:02:58):
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(01:03:20):
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this evening. Blake'snew will throw against Trey you Savage and
the Columbus Bluejackets after their overtime win last night over
Buffalo will host the Toronto Maple Leafs. All right, we're back.
We're in another holding pattern. Wes Miller have to go
into a meeting. Well, we'll step aside and see if

(01:03:45):
we can track down Wes, who was scheduled to join
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Speaker 18 (01:04:28):
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Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Moigart. Thanks for listening today.
The Chad and Rick College Basketball Spectacular is coming up
in the five o'clock hour, and it will be interrupted
midway through so we can talk with Richard Skinner about
Joe Flacco who did not practice today, and Mike Pennell
and so much more.

Speaker 15 (01:04:48):
I was thinking about it. I mean, Chad used to
work with Skinny. Yeah, and Rick does a podcast Skinny.
Couldn't we come up with a name for that?

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Ooh, we should just have Skinny in here and let
me leave for the to the day and just let
those three guys do their thing. That that option is
is on the table. We we are we're trying to
we we hear they're trying to track down Wes Miller.
Are we gonna be stood up by?

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
What?

Speaker 17 (01:05:13):
See?

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
This is?

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
You know that this is This is one of those
instances where this is why that you know it's not
a podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
This is a live radio show.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
If this was a podcast, we could just sit around
and that's okay, we'll hit record once the coach calls no.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
No, no no.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
We we Instead we just go on and complain about
the fact that the guest is late. So hopefully here
Wes Miller in uh. In just a few I could
have I could have continued my conversation with Darren Horn.
Called Darren hornback. I'm sure he'd love to chat with us.
I'm sure Wes is doing something really important. And uh,

(01:05:48):
when he has done with that, I'm I'm sure we'll
hear from him. Oh yeah, the hell I talk to Mike.
You want to talk UC basketball with me?

Speaker 13 (01:06:03):
Roll go with it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Are you excited for the upcoming you see? Oh wait
a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Mike, I
hate to do this. I'm looking at the screen. Wes Miller.
That's him, right? Does that him? Tarren?

Speaker 8 (01:06:16):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
All right, you got to answer it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:18):
Put them right on there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
You want me to do it? Okay, Hi, there you go.
There's the head coach of the Bearcats. Coach, it's Mo.
You're on the air. How you doing, coach? Okay, Hello, coach,
it's it's Mo. You're on the radio. How's it going.

Speaker 23 (01:06:35):
Sorry, my staff just ran a phone to me, so
I think they thought it was tomorrow night, not tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Oh that's all right, we we we could is everything? Okay,
We're great. Let's roll man, all right, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Let's well. I appreciate you doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Cincinnati getting set to open up the season on Monday
against against Western Carolina. It's awesome to have you. You've had
a chance to exhibition games. Some stuff went right some
stuff went wrong. How have you used the Michigan and
Arkansas games to uh get your team ready for Monday.
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 23 (01:07:06):
I've been beating this drum pretty hard for years with
anybody that'll listen. But I wish we could play four
or five opponents in the preseason. I think when the
season started it would make the products better. In November
and December, we get more out of seeing another jersey

(01:07:26):
and we do out of seven practices, and so, you know,
I think they were they were good tools for our
development and for our preseason. Uh, there was a lot
to unpack from both games, and you know, we tried
to tried to use them to prepare for for Monday
night when the thing tips up for real.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Through the two exhibition games, all the off season workouts,
and then the weeks of quote official practice. What have
you come to like most about your team?

Speaker 13 (01:07:58):
You know, they're they've been in.

Speaker 23 (01:08:01):
About getting connected. I think when you've got a ton
of new faces, which happens in today's college basketball, in
today's college athletics, you're going to have years that you
get a lot of turnover. And you know, one of
the goals that we've had for this team is in February.
We want to play like a team that's been together
for two to three years, even though we're not, and

(01:08:22):
we got to make all of us have to make
efforts to try to build those connections on and off
the court, and this group's been very intentional about that.
They've taken that intention to practice. Now. We weren't as
good in practice last week, but it seems to be
clicking a little bit better again this week with trying
to make this about just getting better every single day.

(01:08:42):
So there's been some really good cultural type things that
they've done. I want to be able to say the
same thing about this team at the end of January
and the end of February.

Speaker 13 (01:08:51):
But so far, so good.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Is blending so many new guys together along with the
players you brought back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Is this way of doing things? Has it finally become normal?

Speaker 8 (01:09:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:09:04):
I don't think it's it's abnormal at this point. You know, certainly,
the more retention you have of the right guys, I
think the job is a little easier on the coach
earlier in the year because just certain things that you
know carry over you can just kind of count on.
But this is going to happen all It is happening

(01:09:24):
all throughout college athletics, So trying to get the team
ready in all facets what it takes to compete in
college basketball. But that's a that's a goal. That's why
we had the summer practices. It's why I wish we
had four exhibitions and that type of thing, but but
it is. It's the new normal, and there'll be years
that you don't have that and you have quite of
an advantage. We don't have that advantage this year, so

(01:09:47):
we got to get to it quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
Does it feel like this roster it's a little bit
easier to kind of identify who's going to do what
at this stage in the season, at least.

Speaker 23 (01:09:58):
I think so we we in pretty clear, especially since
our last exhibition on role definition, you know, and.

Speaker 13 (01:10:07):
It was interesting. We were in a.

Speaker 23 (01:10:10):
Ninety minute film session followed by a practice that lasted
as long until my ops on Sunday, till my ops
got told me I had no rules.

Speaker 22 (01:10:20):
I couldn't have to get.

Speaker 13 (01:10:20):
Them off the floor. You know how that goes.

Speaker 23 (01:10:24):
So that was what great about that exhibition. It's a
chance to get to get everybody's damn attention but you know,
we're in that that that film session, and there's a
bunch of opportunities to stop and go who does this well?
And they were able to answer a lot of the
questions like you talked about, like who are the best shooters?
You know, who are the guys that should have more
freedom there? So it's even with a lot of things

(01:10:45):
without even having to tell them, they were able to
tell themselves. And so I think there is some clarity
on what roles are that'll certainly keep evolving, you know
with the new team over the next like four or
five weeks, but I think we'll be more tof with
offensive goals with this team than we were last year,
and even with new faces.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Was was that something that you prioritize when you set
out to build this roster when the off season started.

Speaker 23 (01:11:13):
Absolutely, Like coaching in the Big Twelve the last two years,
you know, the one thing that you learn is you
better have some old experienced guys, so you better have
some toughness and that's physical and mental toughness, and then
you do have to have a level of skill. Like
at some point the coaches the players are old, physical

(01:11:38):
and tough. So at some point if you don't have
enough skill, they can figure out.

Speaker 13 (01:11:42):
How to defend you.

Speaker 23 (01:11:43):
And so adding you know, enough skill, enough shooting, enough
decision making, enough shot creation. That was intentional, But those
first two boxes we wanted to try to check as well,
and I thought we did a nice job at least
of checking those boxes with roster creation. Now it sounds good.
Now we've got to go out and play that damn way,
you know, and that that's what that's what we've been

(01:12:05):
working on this whole offseason, in this whole preseason.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Your program has a general manager NBA champion Corey Evans,
and that role is becoming common across college sports, specifically
men's college basketball. Take me through the collaborative process with
your program with a coach and a general manager.

Speaker 13 (01:12:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:12:25):
I appreciate you asking the question though, because I think
a lot of people, you know, assume that general managers
in college basketball is the same thing as a general manager,
and uh, in pro well, I guess we are pro sports,
but I mean, and if we can college state to state,
but in college basketball is different than another pro sports.

Speaker 13 (01:12:43):
So you know, in the g the.

Speaker 23 (01:12:46):
GM of a normal professional franchise is usually the guy
that hires the coach, right like similar to the athletic director,
that's not the case with the way that that we're
implementing that role at Cincinnati. That was higher that myself
and my staff made and Corey is just another part
of our staff. What I looked for was the value

(01:13:08):
of having somebody that three hundred and sixty five days
a year thinks about player personnel in every single way,
whether that's recruiting, whether it's retention, whether that's the contractual side,
whether it's the financial side, which is whether it's the
fundraising side. I mean, there's so many dynamics that have

(01:13:30):
made this job different, you know than it was four
or five years ago. Having somebody that just focuses on
a lot of those dynamics, I think, I thought and
now I believe, has great value. And then with Corey
there was a long standing relationship. He's somebody that I've
known for well over a decade from back when he
was you know, in college, starting his own scouting service

(01:13:54):
at Old Dominion in servicing division on programs. So he's
a friend, a professional friend, and somebody who's who was
His career followed and he was ready for a new
opportunity and a new challenge. So it really did work
out for us.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
I cannot wait for Monday. And now the time that
you thought you were going to be talking to me
tomorrow is wide open.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
You can come up with something else to do.

Speaker 13 (01:14:19):
There you go.

Speaker 23 (01:14:20):
Somebody made a air but that ship the turnover, so
we sprint back and played the next If we had
more than more than one of those, we got a problem.
But that's the first turnover of the week from the stats.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
You know, what if if that's if that's the worst
thing that happens this season, you guys are going to
cut down net.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
So I appreciate it as always. Coach, Thanks so much.
We'll see you Monday.

Speaker 13 (01:14:40):
Okay, thanks mom.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
There you go, Wes Miller getting set for Monday night,
Cincinnati hosting West Western Carolina. There you go, all right, thanks,
ten away from five o'clock, Taren, How are we on time?

Speaker 8 (01:14:53):
What doll?

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
We go? Like eight minutes here?

Speaker 8 (01:14:55):
Yes, And just to let you know, our guests are.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
Here, both of Chad and Chadd and Ricker here. Yes,
we have to give a skinny heads up that we're
going to be calling him. There's a lot these folks
have a lot on These folks have a lot. By
the way, Richard Patino is going to be on the
show tomorrow. These folks have a have a lot going on.
They're very busy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
By the way, I overslept from my hit with Gary
Jeff Walker two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Like it, it happens a big deal.

Speaker 15 (01:15:25):
Uh, you want me to send the boys there now
a little preview for the next hour. Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Now send him in?

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
What the hell in the interim? Because I did put
his call on the air and then had to put
him back on hold. Mike, We had to put you
on hold. Our apologies.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
How you doing, Mike? Are you okay? You recovered from
last night? Mike?

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Well, can you take us off the speakerphone?

Speaker 9 (01:15:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:15:53):
I was trying to.

Speaker 19 (01:15:58):
Okay everything okay, I get I hope huh all right?

Speaker 13 (01:16:04):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Yeah? You sound better? Did you not have as much
fun as at Game four as you did Game three?

Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:16:13):
Of course not. I'm so pissed off with the Dodgers
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
I can't see straight because they lost a game.

Speaker 19 (01:16:19):
No, because two guys are carrying the team. Everybody everybody
else is hitting their their team batting averages two fifteen.

Speaker 13 (01:16:29):
Toronto's hitting. They've got six guys hitting over three hundred yeah,
and they're starting and two of them over four hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:16:37):
That puts that on ball.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
That lineup just just comes at you now, So yeah,
I understand the frustration. So yesterday you were exuding confidence
and today it sounds to me like you're you're you're
feeling kind of shaky about this.

Speaker 13 (01:16:55):
Well, it's because that damn bullpen. So Hey was one
just fine, he pitched the six, gives up two runs,
So what you knew Guerrera was going to bust out
of as many salts. So it's a two run homer.
It's not the end of the world. But then the bullpen,
so you know, there.

Speaker 19 (01:17:11):
It goes right out the window. Bye bye, see you later.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
I mean, you know, they have Blake Snell pitching. He's
been awesome in the postseason. All hope is not lost.

Speaker 13 (01:17:20):
No no, no, no, I'm not lost. But I haven't
even wondering. And Dave Roberts is not inclined to do this.
But the talk around LA and the La Times especially
is that he may juggle that batting in order around
a little bit, not show Hey and not Freddie, but
he might drop Moki.

Speaker 19 (01:17:38):
Down a little bit. The problem is none of them
are hitting. Yeah, so he's talking about putting key.

Speaker 13 (01:17:44):
K in the second hole. Who knows, who knows what
he'll do. But anyway, I feel good about our pitching
nurse the lay our starters.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Okay, Yeah, Mookie is not swinging a very good bat
right now. We talked about how he was one for
eight in the eighteen in the game, and huh, I
get it. He's he's got to provide some protection for
for show. Heyo, Tani, were you surprised that they pitched
the show? Hey, the way they did, they were playing
from ahead, and so you're not gonna, you know, you're
not gonna needlessly put the guy in the base when
you're playing from ahead, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
But they did throw to him last night.

Speaker 13 (01:18:16):
Yeah they did.

Speaker 19 (01:18:16):
And uh, I think because of the game one, Schnyder.

Speaker 13 (01:18:20):
Started picking up a lot more confidence in Beaver and
uh and Beaver pits a good game.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
He did, he did well.

Speaker 13 (01:18:27):
Uh, he did. He surprised me. I did, because you know,
he hasn't done lights out since he wanted to say
young and then had the surgery. So if he hadn't,
then lights out at all, So.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
You're not able to go to Game five?

Speaker 13 (01:18:39):
No, last I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Kind of I cook a lot at.

Speaker 13 (01:18:42):
You even Yeah, physically, I was just I shouldn't have went.
It was my doctor, even said Mike Mann, maybe you
shouldn't go. No, I'm going to go. You know, you
always think you know more than any other person than
you usually know him so much.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
You know, I noticed that I noticed that Mary Hart
made all night innings last night.

Speaker 13 (01:19:00):
I forgot all about that. I said something to one
of the guys going down to the game about it.
He looked at me, like Mary who? And he's older
than me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
He didn't know who Mary Hart is.

Speaker 13 (01:19:13):
Well, he was one of he you know, he's a
different kind of dude. He's from North Dakota and you know,
kind of a woodsman, veteran guy. I'm sure he wasn't
into watching entertainment tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:19:23):
Ever.

Speaker 13 (01:19:24):
Ever, ever, probably didn't have a TV shit, you know.

Speaker 19 (01:19:26):
I mean, you run into all kinds of guys when
it comes to veterans from all walks of life.

Speaker 13 (01:19:32):
But how about your knicks last night?

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I arn't impressed, No, and you shouldn't have been.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
I was relieved because Jalen Brunston got injured in the
fourth quarter last night, and that looked worse than it was.
He didn't miss a second of the game. They played
no defense last night. They haven't played defense really at
all in the first four games they've played, aside from
I think the first half against Boston in their second game.
That was not a It was not a strong performance

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by the road team in Milwaukee last night.

Speaker 13 (01:20:01):
Now what and I got two Bengals questions real quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Let's talk about the Bengals, please.

Speaker 24 (01:20:06):
Number one of the vaunted, the vaunted, Yeah, Baltimore said
that at the beginning of the year, nobody, no.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
I think a lot of folks thought Baltimore was going
to run away with it. And I still think the
Ravens are going to win the division. I I this
is not a reaction to Pittsburgh losing their last two games.
That defense, to me is old. I don't think they
have explosiveness offensively. The Bengals issues have been off discussed here.
I think Baltimore getting that went over Chicago without Lamar Jackson.

(01:20:42):
Now the fact that their schedule eases up, they still,
despite their injuries, have top to bottom the best roster
in the Division, and the division is now wide or
open because of Pittsburgh losing consecutive games, the Bengals might
have to play Jake Browning on Sunday. I haven't looked
at the AFC North Eye. It's last I checked Baltimore
one in five was still plus one sixty to win it.

(01:21:04):
I would go ahead and make that wager right now.

Speaker 13 (01:21:07):
Yeah, I already did. Yeah, you're running with one sixty.
You're dead on it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Yes, Hey, I got like thirty seconds, go ahead.

Speaker 19 (01:21:15):
Okay, My last question, mister lul an Arumo, who left
here has tainted goods, but really overall was a damn
good decoordinator for a team and really helped us get
to the super Bowl. And he's got the sixth rank
defense in Indianapolis, averaging ninth giving up nineteen points a game.

Speaker 13 (01:21:33):
And I wonder why.

Speaker 19 (01:21:35):
We know why because he's got some personnel to use
to do his schemes with here he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
You're you're one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Duke Tobin has built these defenses, Mike, thank you very much,
in the draft, and they have yielded no good players.
There's nobody else you want to sign to a second
contract and hasn't been for a while. Was talking with
a buddy of mine about this. We were texting earlier.
The number of guys that they have drafted it over
the last ten years that you haven't even wanted to

(01:22:04):
sniff a second contract with is astounding. There have been exceptions,
but unfortunately the rule has been they draft players and
then don't want to keep them for years five and beyond.
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I'm oh heer. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks for listening.
Hopefully you're having like the most awesome Wednesday ever. God
knows we are. I can't tell you how many years
we've been doing this where we have Chad Brendel and
Rick Browing in studio to preview the college basketball season.
I feel like one day we're gonna end up doing
this in like September because the season gets earlier and earlier.

(01:22:57):
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You'll also hear him on NKU Radio broadcast both in studio.
We're gonna have to interrupt this in fifteen minutes to
talk to Richard Skinner, but you guys know him well,
so because there is Bengals news, Joe Flacco has a
bad shoulder, and we've got to talk about the game
on Sunday, So we will interrupt for the first time

(01:23:18):
ever the Chad and Rick College Basketball Spectacular to talk
to Skinny.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
But that's okay, right, sure, How you doing, guys?

Speaker 13 (01:23:27):
Great?

Speaker 20 (01:23:27):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
It's time?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
It is time. I'm I'm also ready to go.

Speaker 14 (01:23:35):
I don't think I'm gonna make a lot of people
happy today, No.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
No, really?

Speaker 8 (01:23:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:23:39):
Do you guys love exhibition season?

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
I like it.

Speaker 20 (01:23:42):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
I do like it. It's it's everybody has the same take.
I just I wish these games could be played during
the regular season. Kentucky Purdue was a fun watch. I
want that game to matter.

Speaker 25 (01:23:54):
Yeah, I just don't think they're going to do that.
And this is a great alternative. Still see the see
the game happened without a lot of pomp and circumstances.

Speaker 20 (01:24:05):
Hype around it. You know, it wasn't a fun watch.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Arkansas Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
That was not a fun one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
No, that was miserable. That was miserable.

Speaker 14 (01:24:13):
First time I had ever been to Chrysler Arena. Yeah,
nice place. Had a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
The one thing I do miss is I missed the
the Athletes and Action game because that was what I
enjoyed most about.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
That was. Oh yeah, that guy, Oh I.

Speaker 20 (01:24:25):
Remember that dude, Marathon Oil.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
And you would see these guys from like four or
five years prior that you would kind of wonder whatever
happened to him, And they'd be playing for Marathon Oil
or Athletes in Action and.

Speaker 20 (01:24:36):
They can smoke a cigarette at halftime. Those are great games.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
That's right, That's right. Yeah, the I watched the whole
Arkansas game.

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
I watched the Michigan game after the facts, but I
watched the first half of Arkansas live and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
My takeaway was, holy hell, Arkansas is playing really hard.

Speaker 14 (01:24:54):
It's a perfect setting for coach Coach cal team where
teams aren't really trying to like game plan and stop them,
and they can run up and down the floor and
overwhelm you with their athleticism. They overwhelmed Cincinnati with their athleticism.
I do think like when you get to like Houston,
Iowa State, some teams like that, Like a couple of

(01:25:14):
red flags went up for some teams Cincinnati will be
facing because I just don't think they're overly long and
athletic at guard. I think they can they can be
pretty good at guard. But a team like that could
very well give them a lot of issues.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
So let's not talk about that one.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Let's talk about the Michigan game. Okay, because for the
first half of that one, I immensely enjoyed the Shawn
of Bay of experience.

Speaker 14 (01:25:36):
Yeah, he's he's gonna be a freshman. He's gonna have
his ups and downs. But when he hits his ups,
it's gonna really really excite this fan base. Offensively, he's
just insanely gifted. Yeah, you know, he can pass, he
can shoot, he can drive, has good feel for offense.
So when he's playing, well, you know, things are going

(01:26:01):
to be very fun. But there's gonna be some games
that he that he struggles too, that people are going
to have to smile through.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
Yeah, here they are, They're ready. I listened to the
Murray Steak game and that I saw Richard Patino's tweets
after the Murray steak Game one in which he referenced
the beer right the Musky Lagger, which has a cool can,
and then he went out of his way to mention
on social media the game doesn't counts. I can't find

(01:26:33):
anybody who thinks the Musketeers are going to be really good,
So it kind of felt like that just fed that
that narrative, so to speak. What was most troubling about
these seventy five seventy home loss to the Racers.

Speaker 25 (01:26:44):
I think that if you were there in person watching it,
it didn't feel like a fluke. Like if they lined
it up and played it again this weekend, I don't
know that you'd be more confident that Xavier was going
to come away with a win. And that was just
like a one off bad night. And then that was
kind of backed up by the fact that the word
coming out of the secret scrimmage against Toledo was that
they also lost that one and had nineteen turnovers and

(01:27:05):
didn't play very well at times. So yeah, there's a
lot of concerning things coming out of the preseason from
a is this team going to farewell?

Speaker 20 (01:27:13):
From a wins loss perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
Yeah, I can't find anybody who thinks the answer is yes.

Speaker 20 (01:27:17):
Yeah, I think that's pretty much the cast right now.

Speaker 25 (01:27:19):
I mean, we did our season preview podcast last night
for Musketeer Report, and I had them at eleven and
twenty overall, five and fifteen in the Big East.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Eleven and twenty.

Speaker 20 (01:27:31):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
That's hard for those of us who have followed that
program to wrap our brains around. Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:27:37):
I think it's just a little bit different this year,
having to not only replace an entire roster, but you
were in a situation last year during the transfer portal
where you had the rules changing by July first. You
had these football schools with nil collectives that were like,
we got to dump the whole collective right now before
July first, upfront, and the school's also gonna pay guys

(01:27:57):
after July first, so we're kind of double dipping in
terms of NIL. David didn't have that, so they kind
of were recruiting an entire roster in the transfer portal
with one hand tied behind their back. I think they'll
be in a much better spot for at least this
upcoming spring before. I'm sure the rules could change again
after that, but this past year it was a very
difficult year to be trying to rebuild an entire roster,

(01:28:18):
and I think that shows.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
What should they be at least decent at this season.

Speaker 20 (01:28:22):
That's a really good question.

Speaker 25 (01:28:23):
We talked about that last night on the podcast, like Strengths, Weaknesses,
Where do you go and we try to say, what
are they going to hang their hat on? What are
you sure about them being good at?

Speaker 20 (01:28:34):
There's not a lot there at least yet.

Speaker 25 (01:28:37):
And part of it is just that we haven't seen
them a lot, right, I mean we don't know it's
an entirely team. All these guys are making some type
of step up and level of competition. So I don't
think there's one thing that I've seen so far where
I'm like, yeah, that looks really good.

Speaker 20 (01:28:49):
You could say on.

Speaker 25 (01:28:50):
Paper, they look like a long team, but I haven't
seen that equate to like better rebounding or really good
defense yet. So I'm still waiting to see what that
strength is.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Yeah, it feels like the Big East is gonna be
The non league schedule is what it is, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
It is last place in the Big East possible.

Speaker 20 (01:29:12):
I think it's in play.

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
Now.

Speaker 25 (01:29:13):
Here's the one thing where we might be and I
might be a little off and overblowing how much they
could struggle. Is I think seven through eleven in the
Big East is all gonna be pretty bad, right. I
think a lot of those schools were in a similar
spot last year during the transfer portal, so and a
lot of them were turning over a lot of their rosters.
So they're all in a spot where who knows what
they're gonna look like, and it could be pretty bad
at the bottom of the conference.

Speaker 20 (01:29:34):
So maybe they'll pick.

Speaker 25 (01:29:35):
Up a few more wins along the way in conference
play than you might otherwise think a team like this
would in the Big East. Right, But yeah, it's I
think it's in play that they could be anywhere from
like eight to eleven in this conference.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Why are you gonna make people mad?

Speaker 13 (01:29:47):
Chad?

Speaker 14 (01:29:49):
I think this has a chance to be a pretty
good team. But when I start looking at the Big twelve,
where do they fit?

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
Yeah? I mean.

Speaker 14 (01:30:00):
Season Paul, they were picked eighth, eighth, eighth, is you're
squarely on the bubble with very very little margin for error.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
I think you could.

Speaker 14 (01:30:10):
I think I would probably have had them seventh ahead
of Baylor, because I don't know that I love Baylor's roster.
I think I like Cincinnati's roster a little bit more. Right,
when Dan Skilling scores twenty four against.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
Him, that's gonna happen. This is how my life works.

Speaker 14 (01:30:27):
You're gonna watch vintage Dan Skillings, yes at Fifth Third Arena. Yes,
But they have against those seven teams, they have eight games,
four on the road, four at home. How many Houston,
Kansas BYU Iowa State, Arizona? You know of that group,

(01:30:51):
what are you confident thinking their record will be in
those eight games?

Speaker 8 (01:30:57):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
And that's this is an audio. I don't know how
to describe the face I just made.

Speaker 14 (01:31:04):
That's where I'm at right, Like, I think it's got
a chance to be a pretty good team. The only
thing that has me maybe a little feeling a little
different than the past couple of years on that front.
A lot more freshmen oriented at the top of the
Big twelve this year, so there's gonna be some a
little bit more instability than we've seen with these veteran

(01:31:29):
you know rosters that Like, there's teams in the NBA
that are younger than Houston, so that'll maybe add a
little bit of variance. But if they're in that six, seven,
eight range, you're walking a tightrope. You know, you've got
to thread a pretty tight needle. And I don't see

(01:31:51):
a roster that I think you two and six, if
you go two and two at home and you lose
the four road games, if you feel okay, two and
six in those eight upper echelon games, and then you've
got ten games, yeah to win seven right, and half
of them on the road and half of them.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
On the road.

Speaker 14 (01:32:09):
So I'm looking at it though, and I'm kind of
squinting my eyes and going, if this goes really well,
there might be a really tight rope to walk here
for this roster.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
And that's if it goes really well.

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
Yeah. How much are they gonna miss Jalen Haynes.

Speaker 8 (01:32:27):
Quite a bit?

Speaker 14 (01:32:28):
Because I think he gave them some of that physicality
that last year's team was missing.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
Inside.

Speaker 14 (01:32:35):
You're gonna have it on the perimeter with with Buck Harris,
You're gonna have it with Kirkers. It's just a little
toughness that they didn't have last year. I thought Jalen
Haynes was that guy in the interior. I like bobon Miller,
I like Mustapha Chom. Nobody's gonna be confused that we're
not gonna watch the gaming. Guy's a junkyard dog, right like,

(01:32:57):
So Jalen Haynes was kind of that guy. So I
do think there's a misconception. I think a lot of
people saw Jalen Haynes's size and thought he was like Danny.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
Fordson the basket. That's not his game.

Speaker 14 (01:33:11):
A lot of this game is catch up fifteen feet,
turn and face pass drive. Take advantage of his size
is a mismatch, but it's not gonna be like this
big loss in back to the basket scoring because I
don't think you would have gotten a little bit of
that from him. But in watching his game, I never
walked away thinking that's a guy that you just duck in,

(01:33:34):
have him put his hand up, throw it to him
and he's gonna put a move and lay it off
the backboard. That that wasn't his game. But they're gonna
miss him because offensively, he was the most offensively advanced
big on the roster. And now you're playing on a
team that I don't think it's gonna be great offensively,

(01:33:55):
Like if they're top forty offensively, I think that's a
pretty good year. I don't think they're going to be
a top twenty offense.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
I think you're making me mad.

Speaker 14 (01:34:03):
Quite frankly, That's kind of what I was getting at
when I said.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
Is he gonna play this year? I mean, is there
a school of thought that suggests it's a possibility that
he comes back. It's a possibility he misses the whole year.
There's a possibility for a red shirt. But he's already played.

Speaker 14 (01:34:21):
This is his fifth year of college basketball, so he
would need a waiver that you can't get until after
the season. So does he risk like if he can
come back for the final six weeks of the season,
does he decide I need to because I don't. I
can't bet on the n C doua a granting me
a six year of eligibility.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
You want me to leave, I want you to stop talking.
I'm sorry, I get it. Football's eight seven and one.
Football is good. Yeah, football is good. Awesome. We're just
overflowing with optimism on the annual Ched and Rick College
Basketball Spectacular. Get hell, what five o'clock in the morning Sunday?

(01:35:04):
We are supposed to land at five thirty and Tony
and I. Tony and I will be on the air
from the Holy Grail at nine am. This is because
the daylight savings kills us this go round, because we
did this. They played Colorado last year. Right, we landed
at seven, Tony and I stopped off. I got donuts,
Buttermilk Pike Dunkin Donuts went to the Holy Grail. Right,

(01:35:25):
we could plow through just on the air till eleven thirty.
This is an earlier arrival because of daylight savings. So
now five thirty shows at nine. If I go home and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Sleep for an hour, that's not good. Uh and so
what do I do?

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
Sleep in your car for an hour?

Speaker 13 (01:35:41):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. So no, I'm not
sleeping on my kite.

Speaker 14 (01:35:45):
Where it's in the parking garage downtown.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
It's safe. I just I don't want to sleep in
my car. So I think I'm going to go to
the Anchor bar and grill. Sit down. We made but
we never close. I don't think Tony has been So
that's my liminary plan on Sunday morning.

Speaker 20 (01:36:01):
The only problem is they do close now they do. Yeah,
I don't know if they've quit doing that, But you know,
COVID ruined everything.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
They're not twenty four hours anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:36:11):
Not.

Speaker 20 (01:36:11):
Last I checked.

Speaker 14 (01:36:13):
I'd send you to the Pepper Pod, but they're closed
for good.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
Pepper Pod. Well, it's god.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
I still peel the smoke off the walls in that place.
I guess nothing. All right, Full Seasoning, We're we're gonna
brighten things.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Up and we're gonna spend I'm gonna spend a few
minutes talking with Richard Skinner about Joe Flacco not being
able to play on Sunday. It's gonna be going, and
then we'll come back to how bad the Bearcats and
Musketeers are going to be. We have to talk about
the Norse. Some other college basketball topics as well. Coming
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Hi, Richard, Well, here's what I'm.

Speaker 13 (01:37:42):
Gonna tell you.

Speaker 22 (01:37:42):
I got two things for you can get back to
college basketball at the Bengals suck and Joe Blaco is ert.

Speaker 8 (01:37:47):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
That's Richard Skinner from Local twelve. You could read his
columns at Local twelve dot com. Hi, boys, it's it's
you know, I should have just had you join these
guys in studio and I could have I could have
sat back and done nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Is Flaco? He's not gonna play on Sunday? Is that
a thing?

Speaker 22 (01:38:04):
I can't imagine he does. I mean, that's a pretty
that's a pretty significant injury. You know, after the game,
he said it didn't hurt much. Well, he went back
to the locker room, probably got it shot up, so
you're come in for that final series. I'm guessing it
didn't hurt much, and then Monday comes along and ooh boy,
it hurts a lot. Yeah, he doesn't go tomorrow. I
can't imagine he plays. I know Zach left open today

(01:38:25):
the possibility that, you know, he doesn't need any reps
that he could. He's healthy enough he can show up
on Sunday and play. And that's probably true if he's healthy.
I just don't think that's gonna be a possible. I
think it's a real long shot.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
So, Okay, they have a bye after this game. Is
this something that could keep him out possibly multiple weeks?

Speaker 22 (01:38:42):
Yeah, I mean this is an injury that can be
really significant and it can also be short term. It's
it's a weird thing, you know. I think the bye
week probably helps soften that blow. If you can hit
this week, it's goofy this sound you can win that
this week? Yeah, the buye you could actually go to
Pittsburgh if they're four and your four and five and
a chance to sweep them to take over first place

(01:39:04):
in this division. That's probably not logical because there's no
guarantee they win this weekend, especially when you can't beat
the awful Jets, but it's on the table. It's it's
such a goofy season, especially in this division, and I
think he gets goofier because Baltimore is getting healthier.

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
No, I think Baltimore is gonna win it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
And I'm not even sure it's necessarily gonna be close,
maybe not go from one to five to to run
it away with the thing. They put two guys on
ir yesterday and let go of Mike Panell. Are are
they just gonna play with fifty guys moving forward.

Speaker 22 (01:39:36):
No, They're gonna probably bring some guys up in the practice.
I think you're in that mode of let's see what
we've got here. You know, Mike Panell was actually a
rotational tackle. You know, maybe that means we see mor
McKinley Jackson.

Speaker 7 (01:39:48):
Oh.

Speaker 22 (01:39:49):
I think he's been active for one game this season.
It's pretty good spot for a third round pick from
last year and only playing one game.

Speaker 13 (01:39:54):
Oh.

Speaker 22 (01:39:54):
Meanwhile, the other third round pick, the wide receiver Jermain Burton,
hasn't been active for a single game. Okay, So so
things are going well in that department. But yeah, I'm
guessing it means probably some more playing time for Mchaelee
because at some point he drafted him in the third round.

Speaker 13 (01:40:07):
Gotta see what you got.

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
Yeah, Zach Taylor says he needs leaders on defense. Who
are they supposed to be?

Speaker 13 (01:40:14):
I think it's Barrett Carter, believe or not.

Speaker 22 (01:40:15):
I really think they think he can step into a
leadership role. Except the problem is he diagnosed a run
play really really well and got right into the bat gap,
and here comes a running back at him full speed,
and it was going to be a one yard game,
maybe a no yard game, maybe even a one yard
loss depending on where he dacklomat, except for one small problem.
He didn't tackle the guy and he spit it out

(01:40:36):
for a fifty yard run. But answer your question, I
do believe they think Barrett Carter has leadership capabilities, and
as long as he starts performing at a level where
he's making tackles on a consistent basis, I think he
can become that leader. I do.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
The fan base is as upset with Duke Tobin as
I think it has ever been, and understandably so, because
he keeps drafting players who can help. Do you think
he is standing on ice that is at all starting
to crack.

Speaker 22 (01:41:04):
Mo, do you know this organization?

Speaker 7 (01:41:06):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Come on, I had to ask it right sometimes, and
you know this.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
You have to ask a question you know the answer to,
but you have to throw it out there because you're
supposed to.

Speaker 22 (01:41:16):
That's a fair point. So no, I think he should be.
So I did the exercise. I think maybe a couple
others on the beat have done this. I just did
it today. It hasn't published yet and it's going up tomorrow.
Where I redrafted the first three rounds for this team
this year, and it really wasn't even hard to do,
Like these were guys talked about in those rounds and
good reasons for the Bengals taking him on when it happened.
So instead of Shamar Stewart, who's had one assisted tackle

(01:41:38):
in sixty two defensive snaps over the last two games,
that's some good production. Huh, one assisted tackle where you
fall into a pile. Good for you, man, that's great work.
Instead of him in the first round, how about Gid Campbell,
who's been one of the best linebackers in the entire
NFL as a rookie sit in the second round you
needed a guard because he drafted a guard. Tate Ratlie
was available. How about you go that route set of

(01:41:58):
Demetrius Knight, because you've already gone the line back out.
And then how about in the third round, a guy
who played for al Golden Notre Dame is having a
fine rookie season with the Atlanta Falcons. How about Vaaner
watching the third round? How hard is that? It wasn't
even hard to do that. It was common sensical. It
said you had to be the smartest ones in the
room and go Yeah. I know, Shamar Show doesn't do
anything other than look good, but let's go ahead and

(01:42:18):
take him anyway, because he's got great traits. Okay, great
one assisted tackle in the last sixty two defensive snaps.
I could fall on a pile and get that stat
I could.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
I'd like to see that actually, but yeah it would hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Yeah, all right, Well, thanks for bringing a good cheer
to a rough situation.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
We'll talk next week. Thank you as always.

Speaker 13 (01:42:38):
You bet go big Blue.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
That's our guy.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
Richard Skinner from Local twelve and Local twelve dot com
also the hosts of the Skinny Podcast with Rick Boring,
which I may.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Submit a question.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
Is it Rick the host?

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Rick is the host?

Speaker 20 (01:42:52):
It's confusing.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
It's named after Skinny, but Rick sort of does the
ins and outs and sets up all the breaks and topics.

Speaker 25 (01:42:59):
Brings us in start and ends it too. Yeah, it's
a very confusing situation.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Might I might submit a question this week?

Speaker 20 (01:43:05):
It's been a while, Yeah, yeah, all right, I got
something for you.

Speaker 14 (01:43:07):
Yeah, y'all, reporters need to start looking at who represents
these people. Woodward's agent, Kelly's agent, the Texas A and
m coaches agent. They are the same agent. This is ridiculous.
Lawyers would be disbarred the way these agents act. It's
time for the NCAA to put guardrails. We don't need guardrails.
A big billionaires want to spend money, no problem. But
if I got to go find fifty three million dollars

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from the state, it's not going to be pleasant.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
That's the governor of Louisiana.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Governor of Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
God would admit. He's not wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
He's not kind of said what needed to be said.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
That's all right.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
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Our Guy Rick Boring Musketeer Report dot Com on the
college football season. Also the NKU radio broadcast. Are the
North is going to be any good?

Speaker 25 (01:45:55):
It's another team where it's like when you're replacing nine
guys on your roster and turned over a lot, and
the rest of the league is doing the same thing.
It's tough to say, but I think they've got they've
got a chance to be pretty good in the Horizon
League towards the top.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
A lot of new guys, a lot of guys from
other countries.

Speaker 25 (01:46:11):
Yeah, it's a it's a really interesting group of guys,
but fun group to be around. Really mature because some
of those guys, for like Ethan Elliot, who they brought
over from Australia, is gonna play point guard. Just a
super mature kid is into his twenties already, and it's
a little bit different when guys are trying to advance
their professional careers already.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
You know, I wasn't super mature in my twenties.

Speaker 14 (01:46:31):
And that's super mature in my forties. But the North
there's a good Rick seems pretty balanced now. He's done
a good job coming out of it. I don't think
you and I ever grew up.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
I think well, he did spend the summer eating taco
bell for thirty one consecutive days. Maturity, that's a word
you can use, intestinal maturity.

Speaker 25 (01:46:52):
What did that do to your body nothing. I was
completely fine. It's what is talk about. It's meat, cheese
and a tortilla. Why do people act like it's.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Twenty one straight days if anything is not good?

Speaker 20 (01:47:03):
If I mean, what do you normally eat at home?
Meat cheese, some bread?

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
I guess so yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:47:11):
I mean, look people, if taco bell is ruining your stomach,
you've got bigger problems than time.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Did you go?

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
How many times? Like how many different taco bells did
you Visit? Was that the same one?

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
It was mostly the Newport one, so they got to
know you.

Speaker 20 (01:47:26):
I was getting a little worried about that. But I
think they turn over employees so much as soccer bells
that it's.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Not Why why did you stop at thirty one? Then
why not extend it?

Speaker 25 (01:47:33):
I said, I could do that for an entire year.
The only problem is basketball season. It becomes inconvenient because
you're sometimes in a hotel that doesn't have a Taco
bell anywhere nearby, and you don't have a car. And okay,
I'm not spending forty dollars on a door dash for
taco bell. That's the issue. Okay, fair, But I could
do that for an entire year.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
Seriously, okay, fair enough, Yeah, very good. So we don't
think the Musketeers are going to be very good. I
think it's going to be a roughie. And we don't
think the Bearcats are going to be as good as
everybody expects, because I think there's an expectation like, these
guys are going to be awesome.

Speaker 14 (01:48:05):
Here's the problem. They can be good and they're still
going to be walking this tightrope. Yeah, there's nothing in
my brain that says in that eight game window of
that they're going to go four and four. Yeah, if
you told me they were going to go four and four,
I'd say they're going to have a really good year.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
I'm coming up two and six, three and five.

Speaker 14 (01:48:26):
Like best case scenario, that means you got to go
six and ten, seven and ten and all the other
big twelve games.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
That's a tall task, even if you're having a good year.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
So we've talked about this.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
It feels like last year, accumulate talent, figure it out.
This year, built a roster, right, built aster, find guys
who fits, got.

Speaker 14 (01:48:47):
Guards, you've got wings, you've got different kinds of forwards,
you've got centers.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
So, yeah, who is their best player going to be.

Speaker 14 (01:48:55):
I think if they're going to be tournament good, I
think their best player needs to be bobbon Miller because
he's got he can do the most things. Can play defense,
can rebound, can shoot, can pass, can handle the ball
pretty well like I think he is. They will go

(01:49:17):
as far as his upside allows. Need to make bucket,
He'll get it for you. I don't know that I'm
that's more of a guard thing, yeah, typically, but need
to get a big rebound, need to maybe stop a run,
you can go to him. I don't know in the
final two minutes if I'm isolating going one to four

(01:49:37):
flat and throwing a ball to Bob on Miller per se.
But I think just because of the number of things
he has the potential to do well, he's the key. Now,
there was an NBA scout friend of mine that was
in practice and he said, look, Bob, I is gonna
have thirteen and six at halftime, and everybody's gonna be

(01:49:58):
flipping out about how awesome he is.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
He's going to end with fifteen and seven.

Speaker 8 (01:50:02):
And this is a.

Speaker 14 (01:50:09):
Scout from a prominent NBA franchise that is near and
dear to Mo's heart.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
Is the next guy potentially, so well, we're not going
to be in the lottery, but we'll take him with.

Speaker 14 (01:50:21):
Loves Mustapha chom though okay loves him. I'm in his
in his I think like late first early second round.

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
So some of the UCF guys were here for the
football game and like still not they they're pissed. They're pissed.
He he's good, He's very good. Who's Xavier's best player
going to be?

Speaker 20 (01:50:40):
That's another really good question.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
I think a lot of questions with no answers today.

Speaker 25 (01:50:44):
That's the problem when you think about this team and
why I have them losing a lot more games than
they're winning, because I there's a ton of questions and
I don't see clear answers to any of them. I think,
you know, Malik Messina more looks to be the best
offensive player and score to me. But I think overall,
Trey Carroll early on, at least through the first exhibition
and scrimmage and some of what we saw in the

(01:51:05):
preseason looks to be the best all around player. And
I think what he does well, which is play really hard,
pursue the ball, get fouled, make some shots, play efficiently
on offense. You can rely on that with more consistency,
then maybe you can rely on some of the other
guys games.

Speaker 14 (01:51:20):
And the best part is him and Baba Miller shared
a position last year.

Speaker 25 (01:51:24):
Will that that'd be the storyline we need for the
Shootout to keep its luster in this year.

Speaker 14 (01:51:28):
Yeah, now the shootouts lost this year. This year, Doc
might be right, This might be the year that shoot
out lose its luster. I can't wait to read the
column shout out to the end Quire, But what if he
goes the other way, Well, it's bad. It's this is
the year, shoutouts Jason Williams right that column right now.

Speaker 20 (01:51:44):
The Shootout is back in twenty twenty five six.

Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
I think there is a sense though that if you
see can't win there this year, they're never going to.
They never will.

Speaker 25 (01:51:53):
Does that make it back if you see finally breaks
that Curson wins there, or it is the luster.

Speaker 20 (01:52:00):
Dead because that was the expected that UC supposed to win.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:04):
I have weeks to ponder that, but I do think
I do think if you if you ask bearcad fans,
I mean they said we said the same thing two
years ago, right like, and that was not a very
good Xavier.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Team and a very good UC team, But I think
there was.

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
A sense of like, all right, if if they're ever
gonna win, itsintas, it's going to be that game two
years ago they did not. I've I've listened to people
who love Xavier basketball who have said, like, this is
gonna be the year where they lose for the first
time in a quarter century to you see at home,
and then every Bearcat fan goes, yeah, cool, one of
those dudes is going to go five for seven from

(01:52:36):
three another thousand, m two thousand and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
Six, the Andy Kennedy year.

Speaker 14 (01:52:43):
Now well to December December of the two thousand and
six seventh season, they're mixed ragtag.

Speaker 4 (01:52:51):
Yes, Sean Miller's first one where that UC team, which
was dreadful, won two games in the Big East, beat Xavior.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
But that game was that U se.

Speaker 4 (01:52:59):
Right, but this game is that Xavier. Man, that's the parallel. Yes,
you're right, No, you're right, Rick, Thank you for that
was not really a question there, but thank you for
that reference. Thank you for putting it together. For the
I I've lost for a second, but I feel like

(01:53:21):
this is most UC fans look at this in Xavier
fans as well as if it's if it's ever going
to end the streak of Xavier beating you see at
centas it's it's going to be this year.

Speaker 25 (01:53:31):
Yeah, I said, as I do feel like if they
don't win this one, I think I might have said
the same thing two years ago, But if they don't
win this one, they're never.

Speaker 20 (01:53:38):
Going to win at the Senta Center feels.

Speaker 4 (01:53:40):
Like is there you know you talk about like a
lot of the things that went down this this offseason
that worked against Xavier.

Speaker 13 (01:53:46):
Do you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
I think most of you the roster is underwhelming. Do
you put any of that on Richard?

Speaker 25 (01:53:53):
I mean, ultimately, I guess everyone's going to be like
the head coaches responsible for the roster. But I more
than anything, situation that Xavier was in this year is
one you're replacing an entirely new roster because you lost
your previous head coach, which is something that almost every
school seems to go through. Now, when you lose your
head coach, you got to replace it entirely new roster.
To do that in the same year where you had
and granted, Nil has been changing almost every year every

(01:54:15):
other year as we go anyway, so I'm not sure
there is like a standard for ANIL, but the way
it was operating the last two three years, all of
a sudden flipped on its head. This one off season
while you were trying to do that put them in
a doubly bad position.

Speaker 20 (01:54:28):
So that's where I put most of the blame.

Speaker 25 (01:54:30):
I don't think it's anyone's fault per se, other than maybe,
you know, if you want to put it on Xavier's
donors for not pouring out all of their financial earnings
over the course of their lifetimes, then maybe it's on them.

Speaker 20 (01:54:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
So that they go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
Did they bankroll it because you can technically.

Speaker 20 (01:54:47):
I don't even know what you're asking right now.

Speaker 4 (01:54:48):
The revenue share, the revenue share.

Speaker 20 (01:54:50):
I don't know what that means. What I mean. So,
so the way it's going to be good a financial
lesson the.

Speaker 14 (01:54:55):
Way that the calendar, I could certainly use that July
first is the fiscal year start, so you can spend
less on this roster all the way around to April,
and then April to July have more for the more
for the following year because there's a three month window

(01:55:17):
from the end of the season to the start of
the fiscal year that if you didn't spend everything that
you can spend on revenue share, you could hypothetically load
up for the next year you.

Speaker 4 (01:55:29):
Roll it over.

Speaker 20 (01:55:31):
I did not know the scientific term was bankroll for that,
so that is on me. I will I think I
just heard that up.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 25 (01:55:37):
Also, I have not talked to Zavier's financial people about
how they handle that exactly, so I'm not sure. But
I since there was probably a little bit of like
a hey, we're in a really bad spot. We're not
going to spend an extra two hundred grand to get
a slightly more average player. We're going to take what
we can get here and look forward to the future.
But they also did it with you know, they have
five sophomores those Billy wise, and you can't plan for

(01:55:57):
the future in this current era of basketball, but you
can try to promote the future and be like, hey,
hopefully a couple of these guys are good and we
can keep them around.

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
Yeah, I it just it feels weird. It feels weird. Look,
it's I think it's never been more difficult for a
first year head coach in any program. Obviously, Rich Potino
has been a head coach. It just it feels weird
to talk about Xavier basketball in terms where we're wondering
if they're going to lose twenty games before the season begins.

Speaker 20 (01:56:25):
Yeah, I think that's this is a fair to say.

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:56:28):
The one thing that I do think, you know, anytime
you get a new coaching staff, that's fun to see
what's the style going to look like? What difference? So
are you going to see what type of players does
he like? And I think that is going to look
different from what Xavier fans have been used to over
the last twenty plus years, because one thing you got
to realize is, you know, Sean Miller took over after
Thamana and then basically everything since then has been his design.

(01:56:48):
You know, the coaches after him were from his tree
and kept what he did in place, including the bastardized
pack line tack line defense has been given up one
hundred and fifty threes a game for the last few
years in the current system of college basketball. I think
that's going to be the most exciting part for fans
is let's see what it looks like with a disruptive
defense that puts pressure in ball screen situations and forces

(01:57:09):
turnovers and takes the action to the offensive players. That's
gonna be the most fun part of the season, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Yeah, I think it's cool they went outside the family.
And nothing against Chris Shawn times too, Travis. It isn't,
you know, be good or be interesting. It's interesting that
they went outside the family. And uh, it just the
way that team is being talked about doesn't mesh with
what you have come over the years to expect Xavier
basketball to be all about. And then then you hear

(01:57:35):
folks who cry poverty and they don't have any money,
and it's just this is a This feels and sounds
and looks different.

Speaker 25 (01:57:42):
I think it's going to be interesting when the season
actually gets going because Xavier fans are bracing themselves right
now for Okay, I think there's gonna be a rebuilding
or it's gonna be tough. But what's that actually look
like when you're four and for it to start the season. Yeah,
can they actually handle that part.

Speaker 8 (01:57:56):
Of it right?

Speaker 4 (01:57:56):
Everybody says, you know, willing to put up with the
growing pains until they're deal actually dealing with them.

Speaker 20 (01:58:02):
Yes, And I think that's going to be tough.

Speaker 4 (01:58:03):
Did you see his non conference schedule. Check all the
boxes you want a non conference schedule to check. Checked enough.

Speaker 14 (01:58:10):
It's not great, it's but it's enough. Dayton, Xavier, Georgia, Clemson, Louisville.
You've got the one big, big name game in Louisville.
I guess a couple teams that are going to be
in a similar situation to you on the on the
kind of that bubble area. I think with Georgia and Clemson,

(01:58:33):
Xavier's you know gonna probably be rough this year, but
in sentas, yeah, you never know. Yeah, and then Dayton's
probably they're gonna stink, aren't they. I don't think Dayton's
gonna be very good.

Speaker 4 (01:58:44):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
I think based on what I hear, I think just.

Speaker 14 (01:58:50):
One guy in this gambling thing, like you're gonna have
him on the locks of the weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:58:55):
I might, I might, I might do that. What is
what is best case? What is best case? I mean
best cases? They make the tournament with these you wake
up on selection Sunday and you know they're in, and
again at the end of the day it's the brahma
and then everybody's gonna use best case.

Speaker 14 (01:59:09):
They finish fifth, okay, sixth in the Big twelve and
comfortably in and like five seed somewhere, five six seeds somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
In the worst case involves you putting together a hotboard.

Speaker 14 (01:59:21):
Yeah, although I think it would have to be pretty
bad for that to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:59:26):
But like not bubble and your team number sixty nine
or seven or seconds thing.

Speaker 14 (01:59:35):
It's like if he misses that, he's automatically hired, right,
you would have to apply context. Yes, all right, how's
it look?

Speaker 4 (01:59:45):
Best case for the Musketeers. Best case everything goes swimmingly well.

Speaker 25 (01:59:49):
Yeah, And there is one thing to keep an eye
on two with that in terms of Gabriel Pizzato, the
Evansville transfer, who by all accounts in the summer looked
like maybe the top player on the roster. If he
does come back a little earlier than expected and he
starts playing well and things start to click, then maybe
you know, Xavier's looking more at like six or seventh
in the Big East. Like I said, I think the
bottom of the Big East is going to be really
mediocre to bad this year, So I think it's reasonable

(02:00:11):
to think they could come in closer to like five
hundred overall, maybe sixteen and fifteen fifteen and sixteen something
like that, and you go, you win seven or eight
games in the Big East.

Speaker 20 (02:00:20):
I think that would be.

Speaker 14 (02:00:21):
Like five hundred. It's like the gate to cross five
hundred and you feel really good.

Speaker 20 (02:00:25):
Can I think that's kind of the best case scenario
for them this year.

Speaker 4 (02:00:27):
And Kay, you can win the Horizon League.

Speaker 20 (02:00:29):
I think that's in play.

Speaker 8 (02:00:30):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 25 (02:00:31):
I mean if that's without knowing they're not going to be,
you know, picked in the top three. But I think
they're definitely in contention for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:00:37):
And Kentucky fans are really excited. Mark Pope's Team's going
to be.

Speaker 14 (02:00:40):
Really good, right anything, I keep hearing this twenty two
number tossed around. Somebody mentioned to me last week they
might be closer to a forty million dollars roster than
a twenty million dollars roster. I think that people are
under I watched the Purdue game.

Speaker 25 (02:00:52):
Man, do you understand what that means for like every
player on that roster, like Trent Noah's getting three million dollars.

Speaker 20 (02:00:57):
I find that hard to believe.

Speaker 4 (02:00:59):
I don't know, but see that's part of it that
I think a lot of us can't wrap our brains.
Get asked I get asked this all the time. What
does so and so make? You could tell me it's
forty five k a year. You could tell me it's
four point five million a year. I do, I have
no idea?

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
Should we know more than we make? Should we know?
I mean, would I've all I had a lot. I
hold yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:01:19):
I hold onto the belief that it would be more
fun if we had no idea what athletes made, it
would just we would. It would be more fun. Now
how we talk about roster construction would change. And I
get all that. Do you want to know what college
basketball players a getting paid?

Speaker 25 (02:01:32):
I think the ambiguity is going to create more problems because,
like we already saw with the kid at BYU, the
top freshman in the country this year, A J. Davantsa,
everyone's reporting he got eight million dollars to go there,
seven million dollars to go there. Truth is, it sounds
like it was more like three and a half four
million to go there, right, So, I mean, these numbers
are all over the place, and either way, whatever the

(02:01:52):
rumors are, fans are going to run with whatever the
highest dollar amount is. Use that for pressure, use that
for why the guy is a bust all those types
of things. I think at some point it's almost going
to be better to have the real information out there.

Speaker 4 (02:02:04):
What are they going to expand the tournament? How much
am I gonna hate it? It's gonna be next year.

Speaker 20 (02:02:09):
It's gonna stink.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
It's gonna stink. Nobody wants it.

Speaker 14 (02:02:13):
I don't want it, but I'm gonna watch more basketball.

Speaker 4 (02:02:15):
Yeah sure, I'm not gonna watch, but I don't watch it.
I have I have ten people for you and Skinny
to rank their careers. Tomorrow night, I'll come up with this.

Speaker 20 (02:02:25):
How many of them do you think I would know?

Speaker 24 (02:02:27):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:02:27):
You know what? Probably not well, one you'll know, okay
because one's a former colleague of viewers, so shout out
and Gary Miller. It's not Gary Miller, but Artrell Hawkins.
Artrell Hawkins is.

Speaker 8 (02:02:40):
Not on here.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
But there's the list.

Speaker 20 (02:02:42):
And thank you. You get taken to Skinny ten am
tomorrow will.

Speaker 4 (02:02:45):
Be recorded, uh in advance. Thank you for joining me
every week, both of you during the season. We'll talk
football tomorrow tomorrow you and I chat and Rick Well
chat next Wednesday. And thank you so much as always,
Thank you all right, love, it really can't wait for
the season to begin to hoops. Well, there's always the Reds,

(02:03:09):
the River I might the Bengals game Plan show is next.
We always have Dan Hord and Dave Lapham to make
us feel better. They are next. We are back tomorrow
at three oh five. Thanks to Tarren Bland for producing.
Thanks to you for listening, and have a great night.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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