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Cannot wait. That's going to be on Sunday. We'll be
at the Holy Grail for the pregame show, Ken Brew,
Tony Pike and me and it's going to be awesome
regardless of how you feel about the team right now.
Sunday mornings at the Grail, as the kids say, just
hit different. So we hope to see you there.

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What's up.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm a Leedard. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks for listening.
Hopefully you're having like the most awesome Thursday ever. It's
just disgusting outside, Like this is one of those days,
you know, However, whenever the weather turns slightly from you know,
summer heat to that slight hint of fall, and people

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go in the social media and they're like, oh man,
it's fall, and I go, you know what fall is
is this? What fall is is rain, darkness, ugliness, cold.
So hope you're enjoying the fall weather. Ah show preview.
We're done early today UK basketball. If I have thirty
Wildcats in Georgetown, the Georgetown Hoyas in an exhibition until
tonight tip off at seven pregame at five thirty, So

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short show for us. We're done early today, so we
have to pack three hours of stuff into two and
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shareffecs dot org. In just about twelve minutes, Courtney Cronin
from ESPN is gonna join us. She covers the Bears.
Bengals play the Bears on Sunday. We'll see who's playing quarterback.
For Cincinnati Courtney in just about ten twelve minutes. Richard
Patino on this show in about thirty minutes, and our

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guy Chad Brendle. Chad was with us yesterday for the
Chad and Rick College Basketball Spectacular, which by the way,
you could listen to on the iHeartRadio app. And so
we're gonna do football, because this is a big, big,
big football game for UC. If you get this one
on the road, and they are depending on where you look,
anywhere from a nine and a half to ten and
a half point dog on the road against a good

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Utah team that is excellent running the football. If you
get this one, well, then two of the next three
are at home, you at least have BYU in your
own building. It really becomes it really comes plausible, not
that it's not already, but it really becomes plausible that

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we are talking about the Bearcats playing in the Big
Twelve Championship game. Now, this obviously wouldn't clinch it, but
the path becomes clearer. And if you're playing the Big
twelve championship game, you can win the Big Twelve. And
if you win the Big Twelve, you're gonna be a
playoff team. And nobody would have imagined those scenarios unfolding
back in July. First things first, they got to play

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a good Utah team that just destroyed Colorado, that's really
good at running the football, that's really good at getting
after the quarterback. Chad's gonna talk about that game and
so much more coming up at three point fifty again.
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share Effects credit Union. So we have talked about this

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exhaustively now for weeks. The draft, Duke Tobin's inability to
draft good defensive players, what Al Golden has tried to
do with a limited collection of players. Think about where
we are though. This is the sixth season of Joe

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Burrow in Cincinnati, clearly in his prime. Clearly in his prime. Uh,
and we're talking about the Bengals needing to blow it up, coaches,
front office, roster, starting from scratch. You talk about one

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of the ultimate organizational failures. Now, yes, they've had team
success during the Borough era. We know what they did, right.
I don't need to remind you they played in a
super Bowl four years ago. I don't need to remind
you they played in back to back AFC championship games.
But like, this is the blood that is on this
organization's hands. And I make it about Duke Tobin because

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at the end of the day, he's the guy in
charge of the roster. Within whatever parameters ownership dictates, still
he's in charge of the roster. Things have gotten so
bad that you could legitimately talk about needing to clean
house and start from scratch with your starting quarterback, with

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your franchise guy going into his seventh season and having
no championship to show for it. That's where things are,
man like, That's that is an awful place to be.
And by the way, like the idea when you have
Joe Burrow and you pay Joe Burrow is to compete
for championships. It doesn't feel like they're competing for a

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championship this year. They seriously didn't compete for a championship
last year or the year before. Do you know how
much work it's going to require, how much is going
to have to happen, and how much is gonna have
to go their way as a franchise to get back
into the legitimate championship conversation at any point in the

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somewhat near future. And by the way, if you go
back to before this season, I think a lot of us,
most of us thought this was gonna be a playoff team.
I think most of us believed Burrow plays seventeen games,
they're a playoff team. I don't know anybody who had
him in the Super Bowl. I think most viewed them
as a playoff team. But not among the leagues elite,

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not among the teams that you talk about going into
the season as having legitimate chances of winning the title.
That was before Burrow got hurt. That was before we
saw the fruits of Duke Tobin's non labor with the defense.
Now we're talking about like starting from scratch. You could
find different opinions on Zach Taylor and the coaching staff

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and Duke Tobin. But it certainly does feel like, no
matter what, they're gonna have a lot of work to
do this offseason, so much work that I think you
have a hard time getting to a place where you go,
you know what, July August of next year, I've got
this team in the championship discussion. It just it feels
like there's so much farther away than they need to

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be at this stage of the Burrow era year six
going into year seven. By the way, I did not
do that intentionally. Ten after three o'clock. A shred of
good news here for the Bengals. So Joe Flacco did
not practice yesterday. He's got the a seed joint sprain

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in his throwing shoulder. We'll have one of the experts
from Ortho Sinsey with this in the five o'clock hour
to talk specifically about that injury and maybe a little
bit on Trey Hendrickson as well. Zach Taylor yesterday said
fifty to fifty, said, you know, we'll kind of see
what we can get out of him tomorrow. Obviously the
media down there cannot watch all of practice. But Joe Flacco,

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I'm reading here from our guy James Rapeene's website Bengals
Talk dot Com that Joe was seen throwing like normal
with his teammates and kind of going through his standard
throwing routine after the team stretched to get ready for practice.
So that's good news. That's a step in the right direction.
I'm kind of curious if Joe Flacco plays what limitations

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will he be dealing with whatever they shot him up
with toward the end of the game on Sunday. Is
there are a double dose of that? And how long
will the leash be for Joe? And if it's short,
do we think they have a chance of winning the
game with Jake Browning playing extensively. We will see, We
will see. But good news as it relates specifically to
Joe Flacco. I'm not even gonna throw at the phone

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number today because I believe in transparency. We have a
short show. We've had to condense a lot of stuff
into two and a half hours, so it is not
likely that we'll be able to squeeze a phone call
in today. But if we can, you'll hear me say
the phone number. You can send a tweet though. Tweets
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Uh.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Courtney Cronin covers the Chicago Bears for ESPN, and she is, uh,
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bet you she's like ESPN's biggest star in like three
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My apologies, Bengals and Bears on Sunday. You just heard
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Sunday morning, starting at nine am, Courtney Cronin who it
is like the hardest working person at ESPN. I hear
in the mornings before our pregame show on Sundays on
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are playing. She's on Clinton and Friends. She obviously covers
the Chicago Bears for ESPN. She's the pride of Indiana
University and kind enough to talk Bengals Bears with us
for a few minutes. Courtney, It's good to have you.
Good afternoon. How are you? I'm great? How are you
doing doing well? I'm sitting there on Sunday morning, thinking, man,
the Bengals are going to beat the Jets and Chicago's
gonna beat Baltimore and it's going to become a two

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team race in the AFC North. Obviously, neither of those
things happened. What went wrong against not Lamar Jackson and
the Ravens last Sunday for the Bears.

Speaker 8 (11:29):
Yeah, they kept committing these like horrible penalties and they
were flagged eleven times last week. So when you get
in the red zone, your tight end false starts, it's
third and five and Caleb Williams takes a sack, the
left tackle gets beat off the edge, Like you're not
going to come away with many points in the circumstances,
and like they were moving the ball well in the

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first quarter, Like they had more first downs, more plays
than Baltimore had combined, I think Baltimore in three plays.
Yet they were in a situation where they just cannot
come away from the red zone with anything more than
a field goal. They're one of three last week, and
I think.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
That killed them.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
That's killed them against you know, good teams this year,
it's killed them against some not so good teams. And
that's become a problem here. That has been an alarming
trend that they're trying to fix. And you know, it
boils down to a lot of different things. Red zone
efficiency isn't just get down there and score, it's how
are you doing it? And when you're putting yourself behind
the chains because of false starts. And I hate using

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the same cliche phrasing, but the use that they use
here that everybody's not on the same page, Like I
don't know how you fix it, Like you're nine weeks
into this thing, Like the fact that you've been using
the same excuses since training camp is kind of ridiculous,
And at some point it becomes indicative of how it's
coached and who these players are.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Man, it sounds an awful like like you're talking about
our team, Courtney. Yeah, uh so you have red zone issues.
They're amplified when you have injuries at the wide receiver spot.
Who's Caleb Williams going to be throwing to on Sunday?

Speaker 8 (13:01):
So DJ Moore, Roma Junsday and Alamide's a Kias were
practicing today. They were limited, but that's a good sign
because they were without four receivers yesterday. Like it was
a real thin group and I don't think that that
is going to be the case on Sunday. DJ Moore
doesn't miss games. You remember, he had a groin injury
against Washington, was in the hospital for a night, and

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then ended up playing against the Saints the following you know,
six days later. So that guy is an iron man.
Roman Junsay hasn't missed time for an injury. And I
know he's only played you know, what is it like
twenty four twenty two games in his career so far,
but he'll you know, he's gonna play this weekend. I
have no doubt about that. Poke Met comes back, so

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you get another tight end back in the mix. Somebody
who missed his first game since he was drafted by
the Bears in twenty twenties that it was really weird
watching a game on TV last week when he had
not The last time he watched a Bears game on
TV was when he was still a student at Notre Dames.
So that it's a good sign for the offense that
health is trending in the right direction. They frankly don't

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have that many problems health wise on offense. It's defense,
given why they just signed CJ. Gardner Johnson, where they're
pretty thin right now at the cornerback position. But Tyree
Stevenson will be coming back this week. He was a
full participant in practice and with Gardner Johnson feeling that
nickel role, I anticipate he will be playing this weekend.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
That way.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Courtney cron is with us from ESPN covering the Chicago Bears.
How would you encapsulate Caleb Williams season so far.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
Been up and down, which I know is is not
a great way to describe it, But there have been
good moments. I know that nationally people want to look
at this and think, God, he's not Jayden Daniels, He's
not Drake may He's terrible, He's not Bonicks. It's taken
a long time, and I don't need to go down
the hindsight game of like would they have done it differently,

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would they've chosen somebody differently? This is the quarterbacks they
have in the quarterbacks that they're going to try to
make it work with. There have been moments where you
have seen Caleb put it together and put down some
you know, touchdowns, you know, put some together some touchdown
drives that have looked impressive. Has he done it against
the best defenses, not really, but like the Raiders win,

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he got them in position there at the end of
the game, they were able to walk it off with
a blocked field goal. He got them in position to
walk it away with a made field goal. The following
game against the Washington Commanders. They haven't put teams away yet.
That's what you need to see the next step of
Caleb Williams growth. Can this team outside of that Dallas
game against that defense which looks like the Bengals defense

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right now? Can you do it against a good, respectable
defense where you leave nothing in doubt and you win
the game because of Williams, not in spite of him.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Well, he's not going to get that opportunity against the
Cincinnati defense on Sunday Courtney. As you will know, where
has Ben Johnson put his fingerprints on this organization. I
think there's been.

Speaker 8 (15:56):
A culture shift here that's kind of like the easy
thing to say, where there is an accountability factor, like
I thought, you know, Ben kind of throwing his hands
up last week about the penalties, being like, look like
we're coaching it a certain way. I'm putting it on
the players now like they're months into this thing. You
go back to the first practice where he's throwing the
first team offense off the field during a day where

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they weren't even in pads at training camp because they
couldn't get lined up properly. Like that's the intensity that
he brings to practice, and I know that that's continued
on and that's what players have asked for. So the
accountability factors there, the professionalism factors there, and I mean
I even say that with accountability, it goes back to
him too. Like the issue last year with the coaching

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staff with Matt Eberflus is that when there were mistakes,
the coaching staff tried to talk their way out of
having to take accountability of it. Ben Johnson last week
that I didn't like the call that I had and
QB sneak was a bad call at the goal line
because they didn't have any timeouts left and they've wasted
time off the clock. He's taken blame for not getting
the run game going. He takes it very personally because

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he spends more time there than he does of the
passing game. But there's just a lot here that feels
a little different, like there's an adult in the room
when it comes to Ben Johnson and what his coaching
staff has has brought in. But I think from that too.
You've seen creativity injected into this offense. It's just can
they do it on a more consistent level because we
have been told they use tight ends a lot in

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Ben Johnson's offense. I haven't seen that you drafted a
guy tenth overall in Colston Lovelin, like look at Tyler
Warrens stats, look at Colston Lovelin's big difference, and I
just think that that's a growing You know, that's Ben
Johnson learning as a play caller and as a head coach.
You're responsible for more than just the offense. So it's
making sure you can manage all of those things and

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still inject the creativity that you saw, you know, routinely
over four quarters of a game with much different personnel
in some areas, but also being able to get more
out of guys that might be lesser personnel. And you know,
he's he's been a big proponent of this run game.
He feels that these guys are the ones that he
can work with. It's not Tamer Gibbs, it's not David Montgomery.
But they did have two games back to back where

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they ran the ball effectively, and I think it's been
showing that he can make it work with who they
have to work with right now, and not making excuses
of I'm going to force them to learn my offense
and trying to work things around to make it easier
for certain players.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
May yeah, well, said Courtney. Awesome stuff. No, you have
a lot going on. I do appreciate the time.

Speaker 8 (18:21):
Thank you so much, No problem, Thanks mom, take care.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
That's the great Courtney Cronin from ESPN covering the Chicago Bears.
Our friend Lee Sterling is with us, speaking of greatness.
Paramount Sports dot Com makes us money every week on
college and pro football. Lee, how are we doing?

Speaker 4 (18:37):
I'm doing good, probably better than your defense, This is
all I'll say. After watching that, and it had to
hurt you guys even worse than me who betted on it.
You probably wagered on it, and obviously you're a fan.
I would have made those guys walk home. I would have.
I'll never forget this. My high school coach, freshman year

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lost to our rival, and he told everyone get on
the line, told all the parents, if your son's driving home,
he'll be home in about two and a half three
hours if they need to be picked up.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
This was the time to pick him up.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
We ran for hours, so I know it's a little
different they're in the NFL, but that performance, the effort
and the execution by the defense was embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yes, Lee, I'm not going to disagree with anything you said.
We will discuss the Bengals in their game against the
Bears here in justin second. Let's start with Saturday night
in Salt Lake City, Cincinnati, the Bearcats big dogs on
the road against Utah.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yep, and we don't know who's gonna play.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
What did Kyle Whittingham do If he was in the NFL,
he would be fined millions for keeping things under wraps.
He was doing it last year all year, He's doing
it again this year. We don't know who we're going
to see here. Probably not a game I'm going to
give out to my clients unless Danpiere is going to
be the quarterback, and I know that probably five or

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ten minutes before the game.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
But I'm afraid of the defense here.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
There's a tough place to play at ben in the Stadium.
Only seven turnovers, one interception, six fumble recoveries in eight games.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
They're going to have to do better than that.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
And I think this Utah team finally starting to come together.
They had one horrible game against BYU and also didn't
play well against Sexistech.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
But this is still a.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Quality team and they're a wonky offense. You can't figure
them out. They do a lot, they add lib but
it works for him here. I hate to say it,
but I like Utah thirty four to twenty.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Lee.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
We're not off to a good start. Paramount sports dot Com.
All right, let's talk about the buck Eyes big favorites
in the Jim Knowles revenge game against Penn State.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yep, yeah, that is a huge advantage.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
This line would have been probably six or seven tops
if things had gone the way that most people thought
it was to begin the year. But Jim Knowles knows
a lot even he knows their defense, so he's been
in on the meetings. He's going to feed them all
kinds of stuff. No, I don't think there's a whole

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lot of bad blood, But the bottom line here is
that knowledge. Also. Ethan Grunkenmeier, the quarterback, wanted to play.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
For the Buckeyes.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
He grew up close to Ohio State, was passed over
twice by the Buckeyes.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I think the.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Penn State offense is going to be able to run
the ball some. I just think that twenty and a
half is too much here. I have Ohio State winning
thirty to twenty, but I'll take the twenty and a
half points. I think Penn State's going to get him
a game.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, I'm with you there, despite all the upheaval least
sterlingdeharamount sports dot Com. All right, the Bengals at home
underdogs against Chicago.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
And Chicago.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
I mean, they started that game great last week, but
they had settled for two field goals here. We know
this defense is terrible and Al Golden might want to
think about going back to the college game if you
have to put up with us for a couple more
weeks here. Now, he probably didn't make some great calls either,
but now we know that they got problems show Flacco

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also being stationary and a little banged up isn't going
to help him out in this defense for Chicago, they
create turnovers. I hate to say it, wrong team favored here.
Chicago wins again here twenty seven to twenty three.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Rough weekend.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Not a good weekend. Your game of the weekend lead
Texas Tech touchdown favorites against k State.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Big game here.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Both teams need to win this if they want to
have a chance Texas Tech to get to that Big
twelve championship game. Kansas State turned around their season the
last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Great great matchup.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
First five people get it for free. Call eight hundred
four hundred nine seven four one.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
It's on me.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
And how about this mo I rate my game from
ten to fifty units. We probably average one forty to
fifty unit play a month.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
That's about it.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Over the last seventeen years since we went to the
ten to fifty unit rating system, we're seventy three and
twenty nine. We've had a couple, I think two or
three times. We've had two forty unit plays in one weekend.
First time ever in seventeen years. We have three forty
to fifty unit max wagers going the same weekend. One

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of them is a fifty unit release. It's already out.

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he's going to at least give it a go on
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set to begin year one as the head coach of
the Xavier men's basketball program, as the Musketeers will host
Marist on Monday night. That is a seven to fifteen
tip off at the Centaz Center. And it's awesome to
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How are you.

Speaker 9 (26:04):
Doing great?

Speaker 10 (26:04):
Mother?

Speaker 9 (26:04):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
I appreciate you coming on. You have even in an
era where there's more turnover than ever before, more player movement,
this isn't easy. Twelve new players, one freshman, eleven transfers
for a coach in year one at the program, over
the weeks of practice, the exhibition game, all the offseason workouts.
What have you come to learn about your team?

Speaker 9 (26:29):
Well, the attitude and the effort is great, you know.

Speaker 11 (26:32):
I think that's what you're trying to establish early in
this process. I mean, it's certainly never ideal to add
twelve new players, but you know, I think whenever there's
a coaching change now that's going to be more frequent,
you know. But they've been very, very consistent with the attitude.
The effort's been really good. Now now it's about the
execution and just like what goes into winning collectively as

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a group, and you know, that's what we're going to
have to figure out kind of on the fly.

Speaker 12 (27:00):
You know.

Speaker 9 (27:00):
So it's a challenge, but it's a fun challenge.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
What are you looking forward to finding out about your
team starting on Monday?

Speaker 11 (27:08):
Well, I mean, certainly getting the win, you know, we
can't take anything for granted as we as we build
this thing, and you know, it's it's you can't reference
back to the past of last year. I can only
really do it with Philip Rvichi and Jova Malichvis who
were on my team last year New Mexico.

Speaker 9 (27:25):
So you know, it's all kind of it's a blank canvas.

Speaker 11 (27:28):
But you know, can we put together a great game
plan over the next couple of days for Maris? You know,
Maris is a team with some returners, so it's a
team that won twenty games last year, So we can't
take anything for granted. And you know, we've just got
to We're starting at the bottom right there now, and
we're gonna have to earn everything.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
So what you're doing is difficult, right And I could
say that, but take me and take me inside. What's
been the most difficult part of trying to form a
team together with twelve guys from other places.

Speaker 11 (28:01):
I always say, the biggest difference between where I was
at in the stage in New Mexico and where I'm
at the stage in Xavier is just the confidence of
the group, you know, I think, and it takes time
to build that.

Speaker 9 (28:17):
We were in my.

Speaker 11 (28:18):
Last year or two at New Mexico extremely confident. You
know that we can meet anybody, and that's because we
were able to beat some really good teams, you know.

Speaker 9 (28:29):
So it's you can't really fake it.

Speaker 11 (28:31):
You know, as a coach, you've got to put them
in a position to succeed, but they need to see it,
they need to feel it. And you know, it's like
anything else that you do. You taste a little bit
of success, you want more of it, you know, so
you do your very best to kind of draw from
past experiences, but they're going to have to go through
it collectively as a group on the court.

Speaker 9 (28:54):
And that's why.

Speaker 11 (28:55):
You know, as many of these early games as you
can play, they're really really beneficial.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
For your I know you want to play fast, can
you with this bunch?

Speaker 9 (29:06):
Well, I would tell you this. Everybody says they want
to play fast.

Speaker 11 (29:10):
Everybody says it, but when it's time to do it,
it's not as easy.

Speaker 9 (29:14):
And that's what I've seen.

Speaker 11 (29:16):
You know, what I've drawn from the two exhibition games
was fatigue was absolutely a factor. So whether that's for
me as a coach, Okay, we got to get them
out of the game, or the player needs to push
through it a little bit. That's kind of the balance
that I'm trying to figure out right now. So you know,
we've got we've got a lot of guys that are injured, interchangeable,

(29:38):
so I think maybe early in the year I'm going
to have to sell a little bit more, which is fine.
But you know, it's certainly the style that we want
to play. But you're going to have games where you're
playing too fast, and I think the thing you're trying
to figure out or explain to them is we do
want to play fast, but that does not mean that
we want to shoot fast. That does not mean that

(29:59):
we want to be, you know, all over the place defensively.
But certainly tempo is a big part of our game.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Plan, no question about that. Richard Patino is with us.
The Musketeers begin year one of the Richard Patino Era
on Monday, hosting Marist. That is a seven to fifteen
tip off at the Centas Center. I think a lot
of what you're talking about to me sounds like trying
to find out who can do what and who can
do what in actual games that count. How how fluid

(30:25):
are the roles on your team with the opener less
than a week away.

Speaker 11 (30:30):
I think they're very fluid right now. I mean I
would say I have switched lineups. You know, we didn't
do a lot of practicing over the summer. Who's more
install stuff and you know, skill development. But I think
everybody's got to be ready. You know, our system offensively
is pretty interchangeable, where like ones, twos, and threes are

(30:50):
all kind of the same, and the fours and the
fives are kind of the same. But yeah, I mean,
everybody's so unproven that I'm going to have to be
you know, I'm going to have to be open to
giving everybody a shot early to see kind of what
they have.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
You talk about playing fast, I know there's also a
way you want to play defensively. Right you're always putting
ball pressure on opposing team's high turnover margin at New Mexico.
Are you able to replicate that style on the other
end with these guys.

Speaker 9 (31:20):
That's a work in progress for sure. You know.

Speaker 11 (31:23):
Last year at New Mexico we've built you know, we
were nineteenth in the country and defense, which is obviously terrific.
The year before we were twenty three in defense. So
you know, we're certainly working towards that. You know, I
think we can certainly block more shots than we've done,

(31:44):
you know, and again we want to turn teams over,
but not at the you know, expense of good solid
defense either. So you know, it's we're trying to speed
up the ball, we're trying to get it to the
rim and then disrupt it at the rim. But you know,
I would say the first two games were definitely not

(32:05):
where we need to be with that.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
What are the twenty four to forty eight hours before
a season openerfe for you?

Speaker 11 (32:15):
You know, the good part about the exhibition games is
you kind of get out of the way about, Hey,
this is what the game, the routine is going to
look like. You know, this is the time we want
you at the arena, this is what time we want
you on the.

Speaker 9 (32:27):
Court, all those things.

Speaker 11 (32:28):
But you know, by the time you get to the game,
the hey is kind of in the barn, so to speak.
You know, you've done all your your scouting and your preparation,
and you know, you go shorter and shorter with your practices.
You know, you really try to keep it as light
as you possibly can game before so that everybody's healthy
and ready to go. But I think more than anything,

(32:50):
it's building confidence. But the way that you building confidence
is obviously through preparation and hard work in practice. So
you know, for me personally, it's just getting my mind right.
You know, I asked them to be at their best,
and you know I also need to be at my best.
So just blocking out all distractions, whether it's you know,

(33:10):
media obligations, tickets, all those things, so that game day
we can really relock in on getting a win.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
You mentioned the preseason. It's it's been interesting to watch
college basketball evolve where you know, the exhibition season used
to be a couple of games against you know, traveling
squads of former college players, athletes and actions squads like that,
and then D one teams could play D two teams,
and then we have the era of secret scrimmages, which
would you guys still do even though we're not supposed

(33:37):
to know about them, And now we're playing full scale
exhibition games high major versus high major in some instances.
If I made you college basketballs are, what would the
preseason look like?

Speaker 11 (33:49):
I would say three to four exhibition games. You know,
I think they're really really beneficial. You know, if I
was in charge, of everything. I'd probably say the more
that you play, the less media and fans start to understand,
they start to realize, like they don't really mean anything.
I think the beauty of college basketball is you don't

(34:09):
play eighty two games, so every game counts. The tough
part right now is you know, you have the social
media outrage if you lose a game, You've got the
media coverage because it is kind of cool, like, you know,
you see some cool games and you want to but
like the coaches are not really trying to win. They're
tinkering with things, they're they're playing different lineups. So you know,

(34:31):
if I had my way, it would be let's go
play four of them and let's all collectively understand that
the games don't matter, you know. But that's obviously tough
to get people to figure out because they're excited about
it and they're eager to talk about their teams.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
You were kind enough to join me the day after
you were formally introduced as a Xavier's head coach. So
it's been seven months. What have you come to learn
about Xavier University and the men's basketball program.

Speaker 11 (35:02):
I think the biggest difference professionally for me now I
went to Providence College, so that was a school very
similar to Xavier and size and no football. But it's
the no football thing that is really really different. We
are the football program to Xavier University, so it's a
big deal.

Speaker 9 (35:22):
And you know, when you're.

Speaker 11 (35:23):
At these football schools, you kind of understand the give
and take of you know, football needs some more resources,
and you understand it because it's an expensive sport to run.
So just the dynamic of not having football being at
a smaller school, that's definitely been unique.

Speaker 13 (35:46):
You know, you used to have kind of you would have.

Speaker 11 (35:49):
Your fall schedule, You're going to these football games, You're
bringing recruits into those things, and it really would take
up a whole day, where now, whether it's recruiting visits
or just your weekend schedule certainly feels a lot different.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Makes sense. I can't thank you enough. I know you
got a full plate. Best of luck on Monday and
all season long, and hopefully we can do it occasionally
as a season on folds. Thanks so much, coach, absolutely
thanks for having me.

Speaker 9 (36:16):
Appreciate you got it.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Richard Patino, the head men's basketball coach at Xavier University.
By the way, the first week at the Sintas Center.
There are two men's games, two women's games, so they
the men play Marist on opening night Monday and then
have a game against Lemoyne on Thursday. The women's team
will play on Tuesday against New Haven and then a
game on Friday against Perdue Fort Wayne. And for all

(36:38):
of that hometown friendly pricing. You know, it's five to
one three week, so you can get five dollars twelve
ounce draft beers, you can get one dollar small popcorns.
You can get bottle water for three bucks, and that's
available for all those games. And they have three dollars
beer night. I think I'm going to this game November tenth,
eight thirty tip off against Santa Clair. Three dollars beers,

(37:01):
bud like cans for three bucks. Can't beat that. And
each purchase comes with a Xavier bud like Kancouzi or
T shirt while supplies last. While we are talking about
the Musketeers, congratulations go out to Drew Lavender, obviously a
terrific player who came to Xavier and helped them get
to the Sweet sixteen to the lead eight in two

(37:22):
thousand and eight. Melanie Balcom the Pride of Trenton, New Jersey,
did an awesome job with the women's basketball program, and
Andy Pope from the men's golf program. Those three individuals
today were announced as the twenty twenty six Hall of
Fame induction class for the XU Athletics Hall of Fame.
There you go. It is thirteen away from four o'clock.

(37:44):
Jake zivin MLS Season pass. Apple TV is going to
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Robert Weintraub on the Bengals at four to twenty. We'll
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Speaker 5 (37:56):
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Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yesterday we did the Chad and Rick College Basketball Spectacular.
If you missed it, it's available on the iHeartRadio app.
Podcasts of the show our service of long Neeck Sports
Guirrel So Chad Brenda, Rick Boring joined us for the
better part of the five o'clock hour to talk college hoops.
U See football has a big game on Saturday on
the road against Utah, and so because we talked hoops yesterday,

(38:58):
and by the way, it's worth mentioning you just sent
out a statement Jalen Haynes has had successful knee surgery,
so that story advances. They're still saying he's out and
definitely beyond that, We've got a football game to discuss
with our guy, Chad. Bearcat Journal dot com is the website.
How you doing, sir, I'm good. I have a question
for you.

Speaker 12 (39:18):
Oh no, to start this off, nor so, I was
on with a Utah radio station earlier today. Okay, and
and they open with, you know, Chad Cincinnati. It's a
great story and all, but I don't know what to
make of them. I look at their schedule and they
haven't beaten anybody, and I don't know if anybody's gonna

(39:40):
tell them or not. But Utah's played two good teams
and they've lost to both of them. Does that seem
like an odd starting point for you, for them to
come at.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Me with that somewhat? I do think. I do think
there's I think it's kind of what makes game on
Saturday interesting. I think it's a weird starting off point
for a conversation, But I think there's a legitimate sense
of like, all right, you see has a good record,
they're an improved team, and there's lots to like about it,

(40:14):
but there's a hesitancy to include them in a larger
discussion about the Big Twelve championship until they win a
game like the one they have in front of them
on Saturday, And if they do that, then the conversation
goes into hyperdrive. But I think when you've gotten through
this much of the conference schedule without a loss, I

(40:35):
think that to a degree offsets the they haven't played,
anybody think because it's hard to win in league play.

Speaker 12 (40:42):
I agree, I just I felt it was a little
like it was kind of a and the rest of
the interview was good, like the guys were good, but
like we're starting there like and Utah Like, we don't
know a lot of Well, maybe we do.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Know about Utah.

Speaker 12 (40:56):
They've played two good teams or lost to both of them.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, I'm surprised the number is as hefty as it is.
Quite frankly, I thought Cincinnati would be underdogs. I thought
it'd be a touchdown, maybe seven and a half. It's
climbed to ten, ten and a half depending on where
you go. So this is a pretty uphill battle. What
is the biggest part of the challenge on Saturday?

Speaker 12 (41:16):
Can they be who they've been? And what I mean
by that is they haven't let Britain and Soursby get
sacked two on the ear. They haven't turned the ball over.
I mean it's been a it feels like it's been
forever since Cincinnati had a kind of careless turnover that

(41:36):
really hurt them. Special teams has been awesome. They've been
winning field position, Like you know, I love that SAT
hasn't gone to the cliches as much as we've heard
here in the past. But this is the epitome of
complimentary football, right Like defense keeps the other team out

(41:58):
of the end zone, offense takes care of the ball.
Special teams is dominant. Offensive line is awesome in you know,
the in the in the run and the pass game.
Like these are the reasons that Cincinnati is winning. They
don't have overwhelming talent, but other than some penalties, mo,
I don't recall a Cincinnati team being this clean through

(42:24):
eight games. Like it's been enjoyable to watch because they
don't hurt themselves, and it felt like for two years
that's all we talked about, is can this team stops
shooting itself in the foot, and if they could, it
felt like they could be pretty good.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
You're right, stop shooting themselves in the foot.

Speaker 12 (42:40):
They're having a great year.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, no, no doubt about it. The offensive line play
and the ability to not turn it over. It's remarkable
how efficient you can be when you have those two things.
How worrisome is Utah's running game.

Speaker 12 (42:55):
Worries them? I mean they use they essentially use six
offensive line an all game. They have a tight end
that's on the injuryy board. He was a defensive lineman.
They moved him to tight end. He is essentially an
extra offensive lineman. If he plays, you're just gonna it's unbelievable.
Like it's funny watching this guy play is like a

(43:19):
six offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
He just destroys people.

Speaker 12 (43:22):
He goes in motion, just keeps on running, and just
plows into a linebacker in one hundred miles an hour.
I don't know, like I think the thing for me
and probably everybody. What's the snap counted downtake Orleans. If
it's forty forty five snaps, I feel pretty good. If

(43:43):
it's twenty seven snaps, I don't feel as good, and
it's probably better off listed as like a percentage, right.
If it's fifty sixty percent of the snaps, I feel
great about them being able to limit the run. If
it's twenty five, thirty, thirty five percent on the snaps,
I don't feel nearly as good because he just takes

(44:04):
up so much attention, so much space, and you're playing
a team that, I mean, most of their offensive line
is going to be in the NFL. This is one
of the best offensive lines in the country. They're massive,
and stopping them is really, really difficult. This has been
outside of Oklahoma State and Bowling Green a pretty good

(44:28):
run defense, but they haven't faced anything like this.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I am way late, so I don't have a ton
of time, do I assume Evan Pryor is not going
to play.

Speaker 12 (44:36):
Yeah, that's a fair assumption. Hopefully they will have him
back by the Arizona game. And I can't believe what
you've done to me in the last two segments.

Speaker 9 (44:46):
Now what what.

Speaker 12 (44:50):
I lost time to Richard Pattino.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I had Wes Miller on the show yesterday. I had
Darren Horne on the show yesterday. I love having Richard
Patino on always the folks at Xavier, always very accommodating
the timing. But putting him up against you, I'm not
sure who disliked it more than are you. So there
you go.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (45:12):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
I knew that was coming. It's four o'clock. Jake Zivin
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that's cran enter it now all right, there you go.
Minute late. My apology, six after four. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty on Moegger. Thanks so much for listening. Hope
you're having an awesome Thursday. Here's what an awesome Sunday

(45:35):
will be like. Okay, At one o'clock, the Bengals beat
the Bears and then reeling from that. Jake zivin Apple
TV MLS Season Pass Bears fan channels all of his
efforts into calling FC Cincinnati winning Game two against Columbus
and then the Orange and Blue celebrate on their field
six point thirty on Sunday night. Game two of this series,

(45:56):
Hell is real winner advances to the conference semi finals.
Jake has the call and kind enough to join us.
I selfishly, I hope that's how Sunday works, Jake, how
are you?

Speaker 14 (46:07):
I'm great? Look, I'm happy.

Speaker 11 (46:09):
I'll be in the state of Ohio on Sunday where
I can watch the Bears game and it'll just be
on Network TV right like it.

Speaker 13 (46:15):
It's hard for me to watch.

Speaker 11 (46:16):
The Bears game out where I live in Portland, so
I can watch my Bears similar spot maybe to the band.
I'm not convincing the Bears this year and Dangles obviously
having a tough time as well, so we'll see both
teams need to win.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I think no question about that. FC Cincinnati needs to win,
and I know they did one nothing in the series.
I don't want this to go to a game three.
There's too much bad history with Columbus close the deal.
The good news is I felt like I felt like
they were really in control on Monday night. Right Columbus
possesses the ball a lot, FC Cincinnati was able to

(46:51):
limit that. It didn't feel like once they scored, like
they were hanging on for deer for deer life, like
if you're you want to win, but if you kind
of want to make a statement that you know we
can win the East, I thought they did that.

Speaker 11 (47:02):
I agree with you, Mo, I think that Columbus were
not as dangerous as we're used to them being. And
the Cincinnati fans know better than anybody what's these Wilford
Nazi Columbus Crew teams look like at their best in
the Attack, where it's the letless and it's rampant and
to your point, even if you beat them, you're.

Speaker 14 (47:20):
Just kind of hanging on. And it wasn't the case.
On Monday night. Cincinnati were really good.

Speaker 11 (47:26):
I thought they got everything right from a tactical perspective,
and they were able to neutralize Columbus, who also to
be fair or missing their new designated player striker number
nine with Sama Bua Lee, and I feel like the
attack didn't have that fight without him and he's still
out for least game two, and then I assume game
three as well if there is one. And then Cincinnati,

(47:47):
to your point, did enough in the attack. They created
more chances than Columbus and ultimately they found the one
goal and that was the difference in the game.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
What's the adjustment you expect from Columbus on Sunday.

Speaker 11 (47:58):
I think they'll be a little more dynamic going forward.
I think they're going to try to get their wing
backs involved a little bit more and just try to
go go quicker. I mean, they were not in sync
as they usually are, and they're a team that when
they're flying, it just looks it looks like it's like

(48:18):
heart almost right, It's like a symphony. It's like this
piece and this piece, and they know exactly where everybody's
gonna be, and they can find spaces that you're not
ready for, and they weren't that way.

Speaker 14 (48:28):
I think they'll be more ready. I'm interested to see.

Speaker 11 (48:31):
Who starts in the attack, Will Will Fernanzi go back
to Daniel Gozdok, who they spent a lot of money
to acquire from the Philadelphia Union in April and it
hasn't worked out to the extent that people would have expected.
But to me, that front three other than Diego ROSSI
didn't really threaten Cincinnati enough on Game one. Will he
really kind of rolled the dice.

Speaker 14 (48:50):
And say, all right, look, gotz, Doc, you're still a
main man.

Speaker 11 (48:53):
We're paying a lot of money to you, and we
paid a lot of money for you. Now's the time
to shine and go back to him start. I'm curious
to see if that's the move on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
I don't know that you could have asked Chris Albright
to be more active during the transfer window than he
was late summer and did so with the stated goal
of we're trying to win that We're trying to win
the MLS Cup this year. These are the things I
need to do. They bring back, Brenner. Do you believe
that those series of moves positioned this team to at
least get to the final?

Speaker 11 (49:25):
I think well, man, I think they've done as well
as they could to your point, and getting to the
final in its own right is going to be a
massive task in the Eastern Conference because the East is
so good. But I think they have as good of
a chance as anybody, and not just Brenner.

Speaker 14 (49:42):
Samuel Geedy. They love him and look he started over
Obina Lobodo who got from an injury.

Speaker 11 (49:49):
But Wobodo started and played forty five minutes on decision day,
and Pat Newton said that Guide didn't because he was
coming back from international duty.

Speaker 14 (49:57):
He was with I think the full Baki in under
twenty one team, so he had a lot of travel.
But now Wobado.

Speaker 11 (50:03):
Has you know, look he went forty five minutes, he started,
and he probably could have started Game one, maybe not
gone ninety minutes, but Pat Nowton went with Samuel Ghee
and Obado played what ten minutes to the bench, So
that shows you what they think of Samuel Gee, how
much trust they have in him. Whether you know, as
the playoffs go on, if Cincinnati continues on, will it

(50:24):
be GEDI, Will it be Wobodo in that spot next
to Buka. I don't know, but it's it's another big
move I think in the summer that maybe went under
the radar, overshadowed by Brenner. But a guy who's really
helping this team right now.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Philly wins Game one, New York City wins Game one,
Miami wins Game one, FC Cincinnati wins Game one, is
there a takeaway from the first series of games in
the East.

Speaker 11 (50:47):
Overall, so far in these playoffs, it's the dominance of
home teams. There's only been one away team that's won
a game, and that was the team you just mentioned,
New York City beating Charlotte, which to me that four
or five was the most kind of up in the
air of the series. But I think all of the
teams that lost Game one are also really good, and
it wouldn't surprise me if any of them win Game two.

(51:08):
Of course, that includes the Columbus crew, right who who
were a fantastic team. Chicago took Philly the penalties. Nashville
the team that I think of all the teams out East,
the team that didn't show up to the to the
biggest extent on Game one. They were not very good
against Miami and controlled that game. They've got a big
task ahead in Game two. And from a Cincinnati perspective,

(51:30):
you're watching that that's Saturday night, and you know that
if Miami wins that in game two.

Speaker 9 (51:35):
They're through the Semis.

Speaker 11 (51:37):
And now if you're Cincinnati and you win game two,
who's next for you? It's it's Lionel Messi it's into
Miami coming to TQL Stadium in a conference semi final.
That would be box office. That would be an incredible game.
But book both those teams that have to get through
their their their their Round one series that they're in
right now.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I'm petty. I just want to see Cincinnati to celebrate
on their field.

Speaker 11 (52:01):
Yeah, I blame you, of course, of course. Look and
it'd be a little bit of paybacks in twenty twenty three,
wouldn't it a little bit the Columbus crew celebrated winning
the East and advancing MLS CAVEATKUO Stadium in pretty dramatic
comeback fashion. I think it would be cathartic for a
lot of Cincinnati supporters. What I've learned from calling a

(52:23):
lot of these games is there is the something, the
something you know, yellow and black kind of hanging over
Cincinnati supporters right Like, Columbus have gotten the better of
Cincinnati in big games. And I think for Cincinnati, if
they can turn that around this year, that there'd be
some Catharsists there.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Without question, you have a great call on Sunday. We
always love having you man.

Speaker 9 (52:45):
Thanks so much, Thanks mo anytime.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
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you could say whatever you want about my limitations as
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defy anybody to cram as much as we just did there.
And you know what the beauty of it is, all
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(53:36):
Joe Flacco was throwing before. I've not seen an official
injury report, but today was a look. Man, none of
us want to watch Jake Browning. I'd rather watch Joe
Flacco throw with his left arm than Jake Browning throw
with his right. The injury is to Joe Flacco's right,
but he was at least warming up before practice today,
and he did not practice at all yesterday.

Speaker 9 (53:57):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Show's down early to UK basketball, the Wildcats taking on Georgetown.
I do it. Richard Patino today, Wes Miller yesterday, Darren
Horne yesterday as well, and if you missed yesterday, listen
to those on the iHeartRadio app. There seems to be
this movement for like four preseason games in college basketball. Like,

(54:19):
I don't disagree. I don't disagree with that at all,
because college basketball early in the season, especially when there's
newcomers from all over the place, the product is at
times not awesome. The fact that we keep more players
in college longer because they can get paid maybe offsets
that a little bit. I will say though, like it's

(54:42):
been a long time since Georgetown has been really good.
But Kentucky playing Georgetown again, that should be a regular
season Like Kentucky perdue Man on Friday night, Wildcats. I
watched that played great. I just every time I see
one of these, like, it's cool. But I don't know,
can figure out a way to have that take place

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during the regular season. I'm torn. I'm torn. Robert Wintrob
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Speaker 1 (56:05):
Robert Windrob joins us every Thursday. He writes a weekly
Bengals column for Cincinnati Magazine. You can read this week's
right now at Cincinnati Magazine dot com. Robert was in
town last week and he was at the Bengals game.
He was also at the Bearcats game and they won
and the Bengals lost, and so you know we could
talk about the Bearcats.

Speaker 15 (56:26):
Well, you know, it's funny.

Speaker 10 (56:27):
I feel like when I'm watching the Bengals, I'm watching
Big twelve football defense, easy scoring drive and a ton
of points. So between the Bengals and the Bearcats, there
was no shortage of fireworks. Unfortunately, we came up just
a little bit short in the pro aspect of that
particular combo.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yes, yes, we did. You wrote about Al Golden, so
I you know, amid all the different discussions about the
Bengals defense and how it might be fixed and what
they should do moving forward and who to blame, I
think the general consensus is, look, they asked Al to
do a lot, but they didn't give him much to
work with, and so we'll sort of absolve him. In

(57:09):
writing about the game last week, which you were at,
you kind of point the finger at him a little bit.
And I want folks to read it, but walk me
through is specifically as it relates to Sunday, how Al
kind of got worked over by his counterpart on the
other team.

Speaker 10 (57:26):
Yeah, and I don't think Al Golden would absolve himself.
Let me just say that person foremost, I think he
pointed the finger right squarely in the mirror. But yeah,
I mean, he's never called plays in the NFL before
as much as we take as experience or granted, you know,
he obviously did it in college, but pro and college
ball are not the same thing. He doesn't have the
talent advantage obviously that he had a Notre Dame. And

(57:49):
I think you're seeing it a lot now, especially when
I was in the press box watching on Sunday, you
see things a little bit differently than you do on TV.
And you know, you could just see a lot of
times where the Jets were doing things that they had
done earlier in the game, and we're setting up sort
of zigging off of those zags. The Bengals stopped them early,
you know, help them to I think it was just
eight yards rushing in the first quarter. By the fourth

(58:10):
quarter it was over one hundred yards just in.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
The fifteen minutes.

Speaker 10 (58:12):
You know, if you could see it coming, they were
getting out flanked or they were throwing passes that we're
going to have guys having to pick their way through,
you know, through a mess of receivers. And then you know,
bunch formations and things like that. And you know, so
much of the chess game, if you will, between coordinators
is you know, kind of punch counter punch zigging when

(58:33):
you are expecting a zag and you know, being non
rhythmic in a certain way. And you know, al Going's
a rookie at that too, unless we talk about the
rookies who are playing for the Bengals. On the field,
he's kind of learning on the job as he goes
to and he's going to make mistakes, and then you know,
there's certain times where you know it's sort of almost
too late.

Speaker 9 (58:51):
He probably sees it.

Speaker 10 (58:52):
Coming too, if I can see it coming, and I'm not.
You know, Amos Alonso's stag up in the booth there
and I can see certain things happening, but I'm sure
he does too, And it's just a little lady. You know,
he has to go with what he's called already. But
you know, the Jets have a first year play caller
two and I just thought that their guy, Tanner Engstrand
is his name, Not that anybody would know who he

(59:14):
is necessarily, but he's a rookie offensive coordinator and he
just seemed like he was getting a step ahead, especially
in the second half of Golden And you know, it's
it's just the kind of thing he's gonna have to
work through and get more comfortable with this sort of
cut and thrust of the way players are called and
what teams want to do and want to make you
think they're doing, you know, And I just think he's

(59:37):
a step behind right now. And you know, like the
rookies who are playing on the field, that can only
get better with the reps. And I'm sure he will too.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Robert appeal appeal, appealing to the younger generation. With the
Amos Alonso Stag reference. There you go.

Speaker 10 (59:49):
Robert is either him or Walter Camp. I wasn't sure
which one to go.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
It very good. They draft players on defense and the
idea is they make it a immediate impact that is
not happening with Shamar Stewart or Dimitrius Knight or Barrett Carter.
Should I start to lose hope when it comes to
these rookies or should should I give them time? Should

(01:00:13):
I give them time to make an impact?

Speaker 10 (01:00:16):
Well? I mean, if you're going to take the rookie
class as a hole, the guards or the guys we
thought would be the problem, right, And they've actually both
played fairly well. Certainly on Sunday they played really well.
And they're getting thrown into the fire. I mean, you know,
you look around the league and there's plenty of rookies
who are making more instant impacts than the guys we have.

Speaker 9 (01:00:36):
Over in Baltimore.

Speaker 10 (01:00:36):
Teddy Buchanan, a fourth round the rookie linebacker named Rookie
of the Month for October, So he's doing something right.
I mean, you certainly don't give up hope. Al Golden
himself made the point, like, you know, if you looked
at the guys he worked with back in the early
twenties when they were on their Super Bowl runs and
Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt when they were youngsters, young pups,

(01:00:57):
they made plenty of mistakes too, and they turned into
key elements of these so you know, you certainly don't
write them off. And you know, for better or worse.
I mean, think about how many rookie classes the Bengals
have had where the guys never even saw the field,
you know, and whether that was because of injury or
because they were you know, behind veterans, or just weren't
any good. And then you get the year three and
you're like, well, now it's time to see what we

(01:01:18):
have in ex player. But then it's almost too late
nobody's could be saying that about Barrett Cutter or Demetrius
Knight or even Jalen Rivers. You know, it's like, by
year three, we'll know one way or the other what
we have in them and whether it's you know, time
to move on or whether they're players you can build around.
So you know, in that sense, it's good that they're
getting a lot of rest, but not so good that

(01:01:39):
they haven't performed anywhere close to their capabilities as yet.
And you know it's not just because they can't play.
It's a variety of factors and it's almost compounding on
itself every week. They have to just pull out of
this kind of knows that that they're in and get
things stab up off before they can really start to
play well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Robert Wantrob with a Cincinnatimagazine dot Com Reada's weekly Bengals calum.
In your opinion, since that Super Bowl year, which is
feeling like it was decades ago, what is the single
biggest front office missteps since?

Speaker 10 (01:02:11):
Well, let me say this first. I mean, listen, I
know Duke Tobin is begetting a lot of bullets this week,
and I fired a few too, and you know, he's
the face. He's there to take that, to take the heat.
So you know, no, I'm not making any excuses or
anything for him. I don't have any sympathy, but you know,
I think we've also memory hold the idea that it
was only three weeks ago where he sort of saved

(01:02:32):
the season by getting Joe Fleckow. I mean, the team
would be completely off a cliff if if we didn't
have the offense going. I mean, you know, think about
not just how they were losing games, but we're totally
unwatchable from the quarterback position, and that's where all the
money is on the offensive side of the paul. So
at least they're on track thanks to Joe in that sense,
and give Toven credit for bringing them in here and
getting him for basically nothing. But to get back to

(01:02:54):
your point, I mean, there's been a lot of obviously
issues over the last several draft classes, super Bowl, but
to me, the biggest thing it's not just one misstep,
it's the failure as a whole to get another pass
rusher in here to go along with Troy Hendrickson. You know,
I think Sam Hubbard at six six and a half
sacks back in twenty two that's still the most sacks

(01:03:16):
any player not wearing number ninety one his hat in
the last years, three years since the Super Bowl. And
it's not going to get any better this year either.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
So you know, you can't as.

Speaker 10 (01:03:25):
Much as we just talked about Al Golden and the
rookies and everything else, you're playing defense with one hand
tied behind your back if you can't get any pass
rush at all, and they just can't do it when
Hendrickson's not the guy making it happen single handedly and
he just can't go forward. It's just hard, almost impossible
to sustain any kind of you know, defensive momentum or win,

(01:03:46):
you know, consistently in this league without any kind of
regular pass rush for multiple angles. So it's been that
you know, they've tried obviously, they drafted Miles Murphy, they
drafted Stewart, but they haven't tried hard enough.

Speaker 16 (01:03:58):
And you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Almost like you got to go all out at.

Speaker 10 (01:04:02):
This point to get somebody in with Hendrickson's and penn
departure at some point, whether it's in a couple of weeks,
I don't think so, but possible, or you know, next
year or even the year after. You got to get
somebody else in here to rush the pastor it's just
it's beyond a joke at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
No question about it. Thank you as always. Well, we'll
talk next week, thanks so much.

Speaker 10 (01:04:23):
Okay, hopefully off a win this time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
We'll do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Give me like a what next week? Give me like
a like a like a sid Gilman or a weave
U Bank like g you mean, I just I cannot.
You got to drop on one of those in once
per week now.

Speaker 10 (01:04:34):
Okay, it's Bears week, so it'll be George House.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
That's right, Yes, that's right. There you go. Robert win Troub,
Cincinnati Magazine dot com. We're gonna get a Breeders' Cup preview. Next.

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Sure have it is twenty seven away from five o'clock.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty. In the middle of a
really fun sports weekend. We have the Breeders Cup at
Delmar fourteen Championship racers tomorrow and Saturday, and many experts
are calling this the best field ever in the Breeders'
Cup Classic, and so I wanted to bring in our guy,

(01:06:03):
Dubbs Anderson, who joined us right before the Kentucky Derby
back in early May. He is with us from a
FanDuel TV horse racing analyst sports betting analyst, to talk
about the Breeders Cup. Dubs, It's awesome to have you
get afternoon. How are you? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:06:19):
Good? Great to be on as you're highlighted.

Speaker 17 (01:06:21):
You know, we've already seen the sports equinox a little
earlier this week with the Big four major four sports,
and now I've got the Breeders Cup World Championships getting
under White Tomorrow, it's two days of world class raced
in we called the you know, the unofficial World Championships
because everyone from all around the world and making their
way down to the del mar Stybred Club and it's

(01:06:41):
gonna be fantastic, great to watch as a sports fan.
On the betting side of things, second to none to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Talk about the Breeders Cup Classic. This field is loaded.
Steer me in a specific direction.

Speaker 17 (01:06:53):
The big storyline coming into this week was Sovereignty to
start three y roll going against some of the older horses,
but unfortunately this year is Kentucky Derby Champ was a
scratch on Wednesday, so Sovereignty will not go. And suddenly
it looks to be even tougher in trying to decipher
who's going to finish up. On top of this year's
running of the Breeders' Cup Classic, it's a rematch of

(01:07:14):
the top three. Last year's year of the Own Got
the Biscuits was your classic Champ that the runners that
I've got my eyes pointed towards is the International Raidar
representing Japan and Forever Young, a winner of the Saudi
Cup comes in for yrsheto your harkey, one of the
more colorful trainers in the game, and Forever Young just

(01:07:34):
has that ability to go on the road.

Speaker 9 (01:07:37):
You know it can take it.

Speaker 17 (01:07:37):
Internationally was very close in this one last year. Has
had a couple of big tribes trying to best out
the North American runners. But I think this shakes up
to be a very good spot for Forever Young. We
know the classes there in bunches, and I think the
pace set up could be there as well. Likely we'll
go off as the favorite, as the second choice to
fierceness two.

Speaker 9 (01:07:57):
To one, three to one.

Speaker 17 (01:07:58):
But that's where I'm going the international spoiler and you
can hear with my accent, wouldn't be bad to find
the flag?

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Yeah, it makes sense, Dubbs Anderson FanDuel TV. So give
me now. That sounds great. But if I want some value,
if I want a long shot in the classics, specifically
point me in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:08:17):
So, look, Sierra Leone, who won this race last year,
is a very pace dependent horse. And when we say
pacete dependent, we need a hot tempo up on front
to really give Sierra Leone a chance. So the connections
have seen fit to put a rabbit into this race,
and the rabbit is contrary thinking. So the game plan
for the same bard of Chad Brown will be to
have this horse go full sem contrary thinking at fifty

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to one as a long shot, to try and get
that paste scalon to really set it up for Sierra
Leone to come with one big final chance towards the
finish line. But sometimes if there's no pressure going towards
that front front runner, the rabbit, if you will, they
could go on with this thing at a very big price.
So contrary thinking at fifty to one could be that
price play for Chad Brown. Now Seria Leon's going to

(01:09:03):
be right there in the thick of it comes to
the big almighty finish towards the line, I'll throw one
more running here.

Speaker 9 (01:09:08):
For Todd Pletcher.

Speaker 17 (01:09:09):
A lot of people will be talking about fierceness expected
to be one of the front runners from the inside,
But mind frame, the barn mate has the creditials in bunches,
has that finish could be quite versatile. Sitting at ten
to one on the morning line as the second choice
for trainer Pledcher could be sneaking under the radar. So
contrary thinking massive long shot could be a little loose

(01:09:31):
up on that front end mind frame at ten to
one will be the number eight for Todd Pletcher. That's
the value plate if you're looking to go outside of
that top selection in Forever.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Young, all right, see you are? You are hitting my
sweet spot. There's fourteen races between tomorrow and Saturday beyond
the Classic. Give me one that you're paying especially close
attention to.

Speaker 17 (01:09:52):
Yes, I've been talking about a lot of the big connections,
the big trainers, and there's a couple coming across the
pond who are looking to do some pretty special The
Rebels Romance to the Godolphin team trained by Charlie Appleby,
gets William Buick as your jockey, and there you might
be thinking, oh, I've never heard of these guys. There're
two of the best in the UK. They've had a
lot of success coming across to the States prior. This

(01:10:13):
seven year old is looking for a third when at
the Breeders' Cup and we'll be running in the Breeders'
Cup Turf. So the Classic goes is race number nine
the Breeders' Cup Turf, the one before it. That's where
I'm looking at. Rebel's Romance will be the one horse
from the inside sitting at five to two. A classy
look in time. Has had seven starts for this year
with five wins. Comes back out to the States where

(01:10:35):
we've had has prior a really good chance of becoming
a three time victor down there at the Seaside Oval
in the Breeders Cup.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Perfect Dubs Anderson Fandel TV Complete coverage of the Breeders
Cup tomorrow and Saturday, wall to wall from del Mar Dubs.
Awesome to have you as always, man, Thanks so much,
Thank you mate. Let's cash, Let's do it. Let's cash.
I like it. That's my guy. Doubs Anderson Dual TV
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Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Brother?

Speaker 16 (01:13:49):
I can't believe it's week nine? How do we get
here so quick?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I have one win through eight weeks. I'm in a
really salty mood. I'm starting. I'm glad I'm not at
one of those leagues where like you have to out
of a cat's litter box or something if you finish
in the last place, because I would be really stressed
out right now.

Speaker 16 (01:14:06):
Yeah, I wouldn't want to do that either. But you
know what, no, only one win, you still got a
shot because in most leagues, seven and seven still get
you there. Though with one win you could technically still
win out and get there. But if you're a winless
you'd probably be hopeless.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I could, I could.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
I got a chance. I do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
I'm three and five in the other league, so I'm
clinging to hope there. It's Halloween season, so give me
some fantasy tricks and treats.

Speaker 16 (01:14:32):
Yeah, in the spirit of Halloween, let's look at some
players and some trends. Let's start with the tricks. Caleb Williams,
that's been a little tricky. Weeks one through three, twenty
three point four Fantasy points. Weeks four to eight, twelve
point one, like half the production dead last and completion
percentage over expected per next Gen Stat's good news is
he plays the Bengals this week and that defense could

(01:14:52):
help them. But it's been tough getting him in your lineup.
It's been tough getting Tuber Hubbard in your lineup. And
since coming back from that calf injury, another one of
our tricks he just had given him the opportunity. He
has done a lot with them, oh eighty nine yards
seventy three snaps. Meanwhile, Rico Daddle, the guy who's been
tearing up to I got one hundred and fifty yards
on just fifty four snaps. They both have about the
same carries. I expect Daddle to get the ball in

(01:15:14):
the workload. Moving forward, let's go to some good news,
some trees. Stefan diags He's Everson twenty nine point five
percent target share game rate over his last five contests.
He's put up fourteen point two PPR points in that span.
I really like him, I really like Drake Matt really
liked this Patriots offense. And Aronde Gats in the second
perhaps the waiver wire pickup of the year, at least
to the first half. He continued to see his rope
participation rates go over the last three games, and that's

(01:15:36):
resolved in target shares also increasing. He's got twelve twenty
nine to nineteen PPR points during that time, Brame.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Let's take a look at this week's key injuries, beginning
in New York.

Speaker 16 (01:15:48):
Yeah, well, actually I'm sifting this up, and I wanted
to start with the news tonight, and maybe that great
news for Bengal fans, but fantasy manage, who's sure excited
to see Lamar Jackson return under center from missing his
multiple weeks with the hams issue.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
He's a fool go.

Speaker 16 (01:16:01):
Tonight, absolutely getting inserted in the lineup. This should also
mean good things for the Ravens offense, so I do
like the hunder a little bit tonight on the shore
weak and Trail one. Lamar is a must start obviously
for any fantasy team. Jade and Daniels looking good for
him to return Sunday night versus Seattle as well with
his own hamstring issue, so no reservations there. And Kyler
Murray also trending in a positive direction. He's got a

(01:16:22):
foot injury. He plays on Monday Night Football though, so
you might want to had Jacobi that was set there
just as a backup plan. Both would be good plays
against that struggling Cowboys defense. And I'm sure as you
talked about Joe Placo all day with his shoulder issue
a limited participant today, clearly Chase Higgins brown they're all
better fantasy sads when Joe under center than Jake Browning

(01:16:42):
on the flip side of it at running back. That's
where you were talking about the buzzkill the week. Last
week one of my favorite rookies, Camp Scatam, who out
for the season with that gruesome ankle injury. Tyrone Tracy
and Devin Singletary to Shorey. Although Tracy was dropping a
lot of leagues, could be a nice little waiver wire
Scoop would be still available when yours squinch on Junkers
another rookie shop for a shoulder ac joint injury. They're

(01:17:02):
on a buy this week, not sure what it's gonna
look like in week ten. Dylan Sampson could be worth
picking up there. Isaiah Piceco unlikely to play for the
Chiefs in their big game versus Buffalo, so Kareem Hunt
and rookie Brishard Smith. I do like Hunt, especially as
a back end RB two there Some receiver issues include
Drake London with the hit poop and Akoul with an
ankled Nico Collins with concussion. All three players trending in

(01:17:23):
the right direction, including Collins who did clear concussion protocol
today from the Texans. And what I'm most excited about
just because I like watching the guy played football, but
also get back in the free fantasy Atlantis bruck Power
said to return for the Raiders in that airlineup with
that knee issue coming out of.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
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Speaker 16 (01:17:45):
Yeah, justin Herbert is my stud. Loved the match up
there versus Tennessee. I got a miss Dupree for this week.
Love the fact that's even running for the ball here.
Tennessee's offense is looked a little better of late too,
so I think to put a few points on the
board to keep him involved. Michael Pitman Jr. The Coles
have been a big surprise, John Taylor getting some talk
as MVP, Daniel Jones a comeback player, whatever, But Michael
Pittman Junr has been a fantasy dream. He's right now

(01:18:07):
wide receiver, too high end guy, but I like him
more the backend wide receiver one. I expected to be
a shootout there at Pittsburgh on the dud side bow Nicks.
It's been great, but probably sitting him at Houston. They've
proven to be one of the better defenses in Jordan Mason,
but Aaron Jones back for the Vikings in week eight
we saw him take over a large percentage of the
snap share, which led Mason having a slow lowest route

(01:18:28):
share and snaps in general since week one. So he's
a risky play and a tough match up there versus
Detroit and some sleepers. I love me Van Knight at
least probably one more week there of him getting the
primary action for the Cardinals. I actually scooped him up
in the league off my waiver wires on Tuesdays. There
might be out there in yours. He's RB twenty three
at Dallas and Colston Lovelin, Hey, no, you don't need

(01:18:49):
to be a fantasy genius to figure out playing tight
ends against the Bengals is a good thing. Colston Lovelan
put me on the record right now. First career touchdown.
Come Sunday here at play A Course Stadium.

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Most definitely, that's our guy. Dan Klaskins, the host of
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We've done seven, eight, eight guests in two hours. Load
stuff up on Thursdays. Thursdays is our big guest day.
Good stuff today. Eight away from five o'clock if you

(01:19:57):
don't know, we're done early today Kentucky Basketball takes over
at a five point thirty pregame show and then a
tip off at seven pm as the Wildcats battle Georgetown.
Jay Morrison will be on the show at five twenty
and we'll learn about ac joints and maybe try to
find out what's up with Trey Hendrickson's hip. He did

(01:20:17):
not go today for a second consecutive day, with one
of the experts from Ortho Cincy Orthopaedic Sports Medicine not
coming up at five to ten this afternoon. As talking
with Brenda last hour about the the UC, you know
he did an interview in Salt Lake City. I guess
where the Bearcats were positioned as a team that really

(01:20:37):
hasn't played anybody, and like, I think there's a degree
of intrigue about this team because it's a better team
than last season. It is a team that certainly looks
better coached than last season. They've gotten this deep into
the Big Twelve schedule without losing a football game. There's

(01:20:59):
a lot you can have your hat on with this team.
The special teams is a weapon. They don't turn it
over the offensive line has been fantastic. They've given up
two sacks. They have a balanced offense. But you know,
it's not like they've run through this just gauntlet of

(01:21:19):
ranked teams, really good teams. They've beaten Iowa State, team
that has spent some time in the top fifteen this year.
Winning at Kansas was not easy. I don't think the
Jayhawks are great though. They've taken care of business against
Oklahoma State and Baylor, and those are teams, especially Baylor
at home, that you should beat decisively. This is can

(01:21:40):
they go on the road as a big underdog and
beat a pretty good Utah team, Utah team that's lost
to its best two opponents. I understand that, like all right,
they've gotten to this point of the season. Over the
course of the next month, they're gonna play games against
Utah and BYU here and TCU on the road. For
what that's worth, I get it. I get the skepticism

(01:22:05):
or uncertainty, if you want to put it that way.
But this is a massive opportunity. If you win this
game on Saturday, it kicks in a hyper drive discussions
about playing in the Big Twelve Championship game. Winning a
Big Twelve championship and playing in the college football playoff,
and while making the playoff has never been easier, can
you imagine think about that for a second. Can you
imagine you see playing in the college football playoff and

(01:22:29):
it might not seem likely right now? And I get it, man,
This this game on Saturday is really hard. They're underdogs
for a reason. I think the line's a little inflated.
But can you just imagine if they win this game
and we spend the month of November sizing up their
college football playoff chances like that that's not something that

(01:22:51):
was as the kids say on Anybody's Bingo card back
before the season started, and yet possible and that's you
know for it. I think there are a lot of
folks who came into the season almost assuming that we
would spend the year talking about Scott's Sadderfield being bought out,

(01:23:14):
And now you know, the conversation is going to become
about an extension and maybe them making the playoff possible,
maybe not likely again, man, Like, I'm really worried about
Utah running the football, and I'm really worried about Utah
running the football if the Bearcats, for the first time
since Nebraska, end up playing from behind, but we'll see

(01:23:36):
they've at least put themselves in a position to go
into the first day of November playing in a big game.
I would say, the biggest game of Scott Sadderfield's regime.
We'll see, we'll see a couple of the way from
five o'clock. We'll get to the Bengals after the top
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It is the bud Light five o'clock Happy Hour, or
for our purposes, the bud Light five o'clock Half hour,
because we're done. We're done in twenty three minutes. Our
weekend starts at five thirty. Cincinnati, not Cincinnati, Kentucky is
hosting Georgetown preseason exhibition college basketball at Rupp Arena live
on ESPN fifteen thirty. Tip Off tonight is going to

(01:24:41):
be at seven pm. Jane Morrison is going to join
us in just about ten twelve minutes or so from
Bengals Talk dot com, and we'll talk about Joe Flacco.
Joe Flacco gave it a go today. He was limited
in his participation at Bengals practice, which is a step
in the right direction after being being held out of

(01:25:01):
practice entirely yesterday. And so we'll see what his status
is as the week unfolds. Maybe Jay can shed some
light on that note. Trey Hendrickson again today Bengals and
Bears Sunday at one o'clock live on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Our pregame coverage from the Holy Grail starts at nine am.
I'm we want the Bengals to win the game, obviously,
and I'll I know what we're going to do if

(01:25:24):
they win this football game. Hey back to four and five,
you know, kind of where they were after the Pittsburgh game.
But now they gotta buy and they play the Steelers,
who don't look like world beaters right now, and they
beat them once and you know, getting closer to I
know what we're going to talk ourselves into it. I
cannot do it until the defense shows something like It's

(01:25:52):
one thing if you get worked by the Detroit Lions,
great offensive football team, very good quarterback. It's a different
thing entirely if you get worked by the Green Bay Packers,
and then there's getting worked by Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers,
and then there's getting worked by Justin Fields and the Jets.

(01:26:16):
So win this football game, But I'll be honest with you, man,
if it's another Hey, they hung on by the skin
of their teeth and they win thirty eight thirty five,
but they still couldn't stop anybody. Well, then I don't
think any progress was made. Like, if they're going to
make the playoffs, regardless of when Burrow comes back, it's

(01:26:38):
it's gonna happen because the defense got better. And let's
be honest, they're not a whole lot of other things
Al Golden can do. There are just players who have
to perform at a higher level than they have and
it looks like that might have to start without Trey Hendrickson,
who again didn't practice for a second consecutive day. It's

(01:27:00):
not so much about the division math. It's not so
much about where they are in relation to Pittsburgh or
Baltimore or the seventh seed in the AFC or even
when Burrow comes back. We are saying the same things
about this defense on the last second to last day
of October that we were saying back in June. Can't
stop anybody, can't stop anybody when it matters. That has

(01:27:23):
been a recurring theme since after week one. When it
stops becoming one, then we'll talk about the playoffs. We're
not going to be talking about them at all if
they lose, and chances are if they lose, it's going
to be because they get worked offensively by Caleb Williams,
even though there's a ton of uncertainty as to who
he's going to be throwing the football to. Let's talk

(01:27:46):
about Joe Flacco and Trey Hendrickson. We do this every
single week. We chat with one of the experts from
Orthos Sinsey Orthopedics and Sports Medicine. I say this every
week as well, that the great thing about Orthos sins
is they have specialist locations and services all over the
Tri State. This includes walk in orthopedic urgent care at

(01:28:07):
five locations, and this includes extended evening and weekend hours
in Edgewood and Anderson. You can learn more at Orthossinc
dot com. That's Ortho c I n c Y dot com.
Dr Matthew Grunkeemeier from Orthosincy is with us. All right,
So Joe Flacco is dealing with a sprained ac joint.
What is an ac joint?

Speaker 15 (01:28:27):
Sure? The ac joint is that main knuckle that on
the front of your shoulder where the shoulder blade meets
up against the collar bone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
You can cot and.

Speaker 15 (01:28:36):
Feel it on most people when you land on your
shoulder typically is when you sprain it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
And yeah, it can be pretty painful.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
So what's done to determine the extent of the injury?
Are there different grades that sort of thing?

Speaker 15 (01:28:51):
Yeah, they sure are. Yeah, hopefully it's just a grade
one sprain. That's where there's no separation between the two
bone pieces on the knuckle. If the grades go higher,
they go all the way up to six. That just
is an increasing amount of movement of the bones away
from each other, which obviously as the grades get higher,
the injuries get more severe and take longer to heal

(01:29:13):
and sometimes even necessitate surgical repair.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
All right, So the recovery process, the timeline could be
all over the place. What is the typical recovery timeline?
If there is one for an injury like this.

Speaker 15 (01:29:25):
You know, if it's you or I and we sprain
it and we rest it for a couple of weeks,
and it's a low grade injury, we might recover in
a week or two. But when you're talking an NFL
caliber athlete, the mount force that's going across that shoulder when,
for example, they're tackled, it could be tremendous, So it
could take a little bit longer. But of course these

(01:29:45):
guys are so tough they sometimes play through injuries like this,
not uncommonly, so we'll have to see.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
And when you do that, you obviously run the risk
often of making the injury worse. How much of that
is in play here.

Speaker 15 (01:29:58):
Yeah, I mean that's a big concern. I think that's
why the trainers are gonna That's why they say it's
kind of a touch and go situation.

Speaker 9 (01:30:04):
It might be even up towards the game time.

Speaker 15 (01:30:06):
They kind of see, after he's warmed up and he's
able to move around, how it feels and how stable
the shoulder is, and it feels like he can go,
he may go.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
All right, let's talk about Trey Hendrickson, who is being
sidelined with a hip injury. Didn't practice. This was originally
reported as a back issue, now it's a hip problem.
Didn't play against Pittsburgh, played against the Jets, reaggravated the
injury in the second quarter, then didn't come back and
play the rest of the game. He's also considered day

(01:30:33):
to day. Does the fact that he was able to
play through the pain for a while against New York
give us some idea of what the specific injury might be.

Speaker 15 (01:30:43):
Yeah, it's probably more in the order of the sprain.
I would think, you know, if there was a tearing
or more significant injury, probably unlikely.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
He'd be able to get back.

Speaker 15 (01:30:53):
But nonetheless, just like with the shoulder situation, sprains can
vary in their degree of severity. So a more severe
injury obviously than wouldn't asfest it a little more time off,
So hopefully he's going to be able to rehab this
and get back.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
You hear all the time about like hipplex or strains
and hit pointers, and then there's you know, injuries that
are more severe. Walk me through the process of making
the distinction.

Speaker 15 (01:31:21):
Yeah, more severe injury would cause them some mechanical symptoms,
maybe some more clicking or locking, catching and probably have
to get an MRI to diagnose that, see such as
the label care or something more significant, even the stress structure.

Speaker 9 (01:31:37):
Hopefully it's more.

Speaker 15 (01:31:38):
Just you know, soft tissue injury that you know, he
took the joint too far through arrange of motion and
injured it.

Speaker 9 (01:31:46):
But hopefully we'll come back sooner.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
What do you do with somebody during the week between
games if they're trying to play through something like this.

Speaker 15 (01:31:54):
Yeah, you know, the trainers are going to be able
to assess their strengths, their balance, their ability to move
both you know in a sprint and lateral and c
if they're safety to get it back out there in
the field. You know, you obviously don't want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Him one thing.

Speaker 15 (01:32:09):
You don't want to see him, you know, guarding the
joint because then something else could get injured or they
could injure that further.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Yeah, it makes total sense. Doctor Matthew Grugemeier from Ortho Sincy.
I appreciate the time and the insight. We say it
every week because I believe it, and if I believe it,
it's true. The great thing about Orthos, since he is
they have specialists of locations all over the tri State.
This includes walk in orthopedic urgent care weekdays from nine
a m. To nine pm and on Saturdays nine a m.

(01:32:37):
To one pm at both Edgewood and Anderson. It's easy
because you do not need an appointment, and it's definitely
cheaper than going to an er. Whenever you have an
urgent orthopedic injury. Good Orthosinc dot com. That's ortho ci
Ncy dot com. Sixteen minutes after five o'clock UK basketball
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is coming up.

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Twenty three minutes after five o'clock This is ESPN fifteen thirty.
We're short on time because UK basketball takes over in
exactly seven minutes. Jay Morrison joins us on Thursdays at
this time Bengals Talk dot Com, part of the Growler
Podcast with Paul Danner. June here, Jay, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Good?

Speaker 13 (01:34:04):
I was a word I was gonna be able to
get on with you. We just got out of a
writer's only meeting deciding how we can do.

Speaker 9 (01:34:09):
Our jobs better.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
And which leaders emerged from that meeting.

Speaker 13 (01:34:17):
It was a bunch of people sitting around looking at
each other. We did not come up with any answers.
I think we're gonna keep doing what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Okay, Typically those meetings do yield positive results, So I'm
I am interested to see if some better work from
one of you emerges. I wouldn't count on it. That's
a very fair assessment. Do we do we feel? Do
we feel like Joe flackom now may play on Sunday?

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:34:42):
It sounds encouraging the fact that he was able to
throw today.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
I mean, he was.

Speaker 13 (01:34:48):
Limited the way they listed him, but that makes sense
because the plan was going to be to have him
and Jake Browning split reps. So if he doesn't take
his fool amount of reps, then he gets listed as limited.
But as long as there's not a set, it looks
like the path is there for him to ramp up
and be the starter on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
So what's al Gold supposed to do with this defense,
especially if Trey Hendrickson doesn't go.

Speaker 13 (01:35:11):
Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, it's it's almost
to the point where they have to start blitzing more.
They're the only way they're going to get pressure. They
they just keep waiting and expressing the hope and belief
that it's going to turn on for Schamar and from
Miles Murphy and Joseph o'sai, and it just hasn't been there.
And you know, I guess Schamar has a little bit

(01:35:32):
more understanding there because he got started so late and
then he just gets rolling and then he has four
weeks off and so he is really far behind on
time on task. But they they've got to find some
way to get pressure. And he just guys that aren't
winning one on ones don't all of a sudden just
start winning one on ones. And so I think he's
going to have to get creative and start bringing some

(01:35:53):
more blitzes, and we did see that a little bit
last week. You know, the only quarterback they hit was
Cam Taylor brig coming on a corner blitz and he
he got to justin field. So I could see them
doing a little more of that, But then you also
worry about doing that against a running quarterback in Caleb Williams.

Speaker 9 (01:36:07):
He could really burn you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Zach Taylor talked after the Jets game about the need
for defensive leaders to emerge. Who are those guys supposed
to be?

Speaker 13 (01:36:18):
Well, I mean your captains obviously, but it's they're just
such a weird spot. You know, you benched one in
Logan Wilson. Trey Hendrickson just doesn't I don't know what
he's like when the media is not in there, but
when the media and there, he just doesn't seem like
he's in the locker room interacting with players. He's hurt himself.
He may not even play again this week. He hasn't
practiced yet this week. And bj Hill is just, you know,

(01:36:40):
he's he's he's got leadership qualities, but he's not that
that alpha leader that they're just desperately crating on this
side of the ball. And I think, you know, a
guy like Barrett Carter could be that guy. And I
think that's part of the equation of why they they
turned to him over Logan Wilson is not just the
spark in play, but the sparking leadership. And still that's

(01:37:00):
a lot to ask a rookie in this spot. So
that's that's my question, and none of the players want
to talk about it. But when they had that player's
only meeting, who was in the.

Speaker 9 (01:37:08):
Front of the room, Because I don't know who it
would have been.

Speaker 13 (01:37:11):
And I think it's a really interesting question and maybe
somewhere down the line someone will be willing to say it,
But that's it.

Speaker 9 (01:37:18):
They are desperately seeking that on that side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
I think I know who wasn't standing in front of
the room. Who's that Mike Panell?

Speaker 13 (01:37:28):
Uh Yeah, yeah, he got out of here as fast
as possible. See, he ain't seen enough. And you know,
and that's what sparked our riders only meeting today because
none of us thought to ask Zach about what Mike
Panello yesterday at the press conference. There was so many
other issues that flipped everybody's mind. But it's just curious
Duke always has that line about it's not his job
to make other teams better. Well, he just did that

(01:37:48):
by releasing Mike Panell to go to the Chiefs, the
team that could potentially stand in this team's way if
they get things turned around and find a way of
the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Who stood in front of the room during the writers.

Speaker 13 (01:37:57):
Meeting, Well, that will keep that between us.

Speaker 9 (01:38:02):
We'll keep that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
I understand that. That's very good. Is this team's you know,
they've run the ball really effectively and it's it's sort
of gone. I don't want to say unnoticed, but the
way they lost last week, nobody wanted to talk about positives.
Are Are the Bengals now actually good at running the football?

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:38:21):
I would say they are.

Speaker 13 (01:38:23):
It's I think it's notable that just the way that
they are moving people off the ball and there's holes
and then getting Samage into the mix. And I think
that was part of the plan all along. But they
just were so staggered on offense and they just struggled
to get first downs and get drives put together. And
and now that Flaco's in there and they're moving the

(01:38:44):
ball at a normal pace, they they're able to do that.
They're able to run more plays, and I think it's
just all kind of building on itself. I don't I
don't think it's fools gold at all. I really do
think this has been two legitimate games of a really
good rushing attack, and I would expect to see that continue.

Speaker 9 (01:39:00):
I think they found a little something there.

Speaker 13 (01:39:02):
Again, it probably goes to Joe Black would being more
willing to go under center and do the play action
stuff and the stuff that Joe Burrow doesn't like to do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
At what bar? Did the writers only meeting take place?

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:39:13):
It was in the media room here at the stage.

Speaker 13 (01:39:15):
Wow, that's probably that's we should have a follow up.
That's the biggest would have been far more productive.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
That's the biggest upset of them all that you guys
had a writer's only meeting and alcohol wasn't involved. Wow.
All right, well.

Speaker 9 (01:39:26):
Yeah, that's that's probably why it went south exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
Have to research our priorities. Jay, thank you as always.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
All right, thanks Bo.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
That's our man, Jay Morrison read him bengals Talk dot Com,
part of the Growler Podcast with our friend Paul Daaner Junior.
I wish we had another half hour, but as things are,
we don't, so I'll remind you that Sunday morning with
Tony and I just off an airplane back from Salt
Lake City. We'll have the pregame show pregame sports talk

(01:39:56):
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at one o'clock. The Tony and Mo Football Show moves
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