10/6/25 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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We are a Twin Peaks in Westchester.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
For the Week five edition of The Tony and Mo
Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty, a day after the
Bengals get crushed by the Detroit Lions and the game
that was not as close as the final score would
indicate thirty seven to twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
We are here until six o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
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You've got what I think is an interesting Monday night
football game.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, if you're looking ahead of.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
This weekend, if you're thinking, God, I gotta get out
somewhere to watch Bengals and Packers, you could do it
here at Twin Peaks in Westchester. Before we do anything,
it's time for Zach and the contractually colicate an airing
of his Monday afternoon press conference.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Maybe we'll have some guys limited on Wednesday. But for
the most part, I feel like we came out of
it relatively.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
J went out for a little bit, was he okay?

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, Angle came back and played so again, some guys
are gonna deal with some shortness this week and things
like that, but nothing from this game that should prevent anybody.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
From the next game.

Speaker 6 (01:46):
As a shot to come back this week.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
We'll see. Yeah, we'll see where that's at.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Right now, you go back and look at how Jake played,
Will kind of stood out the day after.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, we have to take care of the football. That's
the number one thing is eliminating the turnovers. Given them
a short field for a defense. You know, our defense
the first start of the game gave up a touchdown
after starting on the minus forty one then gave a
touchdown after starting on a plus nineteen. Those are the
fourteen points they gave up, and so we got to
give them better opportunities to be able to keep points

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off the board because as those are two tough field positions.
That one started with a special team's era, one started
with an offensive error. And in order to play winning football,
we've obviously got to score more points on offense and
keep our defense at a hum's way in terms of
field position. And then and then they've got to do
a great job of creating some turnovers. You know, they
got the one, but we're going to need more that
you see Jake starting on Sunday, and we'll see where

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it goes. You know, it's I think I have all
personnel decisions. We got to evaluate it. Jake's been very
accountable for how the game went for him. I've got
to be accountable for how the game went for me
as well. And so we will continue to progress here
through the days.

Speaker 7 (02:51):
When would you want that to be finalized?

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Going for a game?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
We when do you got when do you need to
have a guy?

Speaker 4 (02:57):
These are things that we talk about every single Monday Tuesday.
So will evaluate a lot of positions.

Speaker 8 (03:02):
I stand on that process when you're evaluating players that
might not have played games recently, like some of the
guys that you have on the practice squad, and what's
that process like.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, it's not always perfect, but we are always paying
attention to these guys on the practice squad, what the
reps are getting. We do try to create some opportunities
to isolate them and let them kind of give them
a stage during practice to perform, which we've done over
the years. And so again, we try to look for
assistant position coaches a lot of times to work with

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those guys as well to try to elevate their game
so that it's we're making progress with them from a
developmental standpoints.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
Diseason goes on.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
So that's a critical part of I hate to say
the bottom part of your roster, but it's those sixteen
guys in the practice squad. You're going to be counting
on them at some point, and so we don't want
them to go by the wayside. We do pay a
lot of attention to that as they're running our scout teams.
We try our best to use our terminology so they
can picture that and they can apply it and we

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can evaluate them as they reap some of the things
that we would rep So there's a lot of a
lot that goes into that and trying to make sure
that we can fully evaluate when this situation occurs where
we want to call somebody up that maybe we have
acquired from somewhere else that wasn't in our training camp
or off season program. You feel like you got information
that could give you your best guess on how they're going

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to perform in very specific ways.

Speaker 9 (04:22):
Can you approve your play calling? Is it opening the
playbooks more? Is that we're finding it more for Jake
or whoever the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
I think finding more opportunities for our playmakers to get
the ball, you know, and finding ways to get them
easy touches that they can lead to productivity on our offense.
We haven't been productive enough. I don't worry about statistics
right now. I care about wins. That's that's all I
worry about. But at the same time, I know that
we've got to get more productivity, and that's more opportunity
from a lot of our key guys on offense to

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be able to get the ball on the income And
that's that's me finding the cleanest ways to get them
the ball so they can impact the game.

Speaker 9 (04:57):
Thank you acknowledged in the past that you are very
reliant on explosive plays. A lot of teams in the
NFL are, but you specifically want to see a good
number of explosive plays.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
When you're struggling so much.

Speaker 9 (05:09):
Yeah, how much harder is it to find opportunity?

Speaker 5 (05:12):
It's hard.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I mean, we're trying to do everything we can, you know.
And and so we called a flea flicker in the game.
That was almost a catastrophic play for us. And so
you're you're ready to do whatever it takes, and sometimes
it doesn't work out. Un fortunately scored it on the
next player or two plays later. But there's there's pros
and cons to the creativity sometimes.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
That you apply to it. It's just overall being better.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
You look at the field position battle yesterday, that's that's
all three phases take into account. It was it was
horrible in terms of how it was tilted. You know,
we had I think three possessions starting inside our ten.
They had three possessions that started on our side of
the field, you know, And so there's a lot of
areas that we just weren't good enough that to be
a team that plays winning football. Right now, we got
to clean up some of that stuff.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
Give me your comments yesterday.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Did you want to add were there any considerations about
play call of duties?

Speaker 10 (06:02):
Is that SI something that you're.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Going to retain.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
I'm still going to retain that move.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Was that even a conversation that how much you think
about that at all?

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Exactly?

Speaker 4 (06:09):
I've kind of always gotten into that. You know, I
rely on our guys on offense as well. There's a
ton of input there, and those guys do an outstanding
job adjusting as the game goes, giving me the information
I need. I rely on them as much as I
think any play card in the league replies on anybody else.
So I feel very comfortable. It's a fair question. We
score three points in three games in the first half.

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I totally understand that. But right now, that's it's going
to remain the same.

Speaker 7 (06:34):
Could you let these quarterbacks all get kind of their
turn their chance on Wednesday and Thursday and practice and see.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
How that goes.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
You have so few reps, it's just every rep is critical.
It might be.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
I mean, if you get two reps on a play
during the course of the week of pass play. That's
that's quite a bit, you know, two full speed reps,
So it's difficult to balance quarter You're in on one
quarterback and you need to get a move on, and
you gotta find a ways to evaluate the other guys
that are on the team in different ways, whether that's
on practice squad, whether that's in group install period. You
have to use every resource because it is very challenging

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during the season to get multiple guys reps to evaluate
how they're going to look in your offense with your
receivers and the alignment and all that stuff. It's it's
just a real challenge.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
After the game, Jamar said that it's difficult to move
the ball when the defenses know exactly what you guys
are trying to do.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Does it seem like this offense has become a little
too predictable?

Speaker 5 (07:27):
I don't belise them.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
How how does Orlando look physically?

Speaker 7 (07:32):
And we're seeing plays we're not used to seeing from Orlando.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
What are you seeing there.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
From some of the players you're probably seeing we're snap
count you know, we've there were some issues there yesterday.
We're here's a little a guy's getting a jump a
little later. So we have to work through that to
make sure we're getting everybody in advantage. And it's a
different reason for each one really.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
To be truthful.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
So I don't know if that's exactly what you're pinpointing there,
because that was that was a couple of them.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
One of them play flaker.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
The folly flicker is a re engage play right where
your guy starts to let up because he thinks it's
run and then re engages and beat him around the edge.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
So that's when we got to be better at.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Kind of trades that for a quarterback can run the
offense effectively.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
Right now, what are the trades that you probably value
the most and what you'll need right now?

Speaker 4 (08:18):
I'm not that's not in my realhearsh right now, So
I'll ask some deal sends you a question.

Speaker 7 (08:24):
A couple of weeks ago, I was talking about the
importance of improving third down defense. It feels like that's
adjustment that's being made positively. What do you like kind
of about the improvements you've seen from the third down
defense and the blitzes especially.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, I thought they did a great job, man, they
you know, for for Denver to I mean Detroit, to
walk away with three points something to carry. You know,
they're they're they're not a one dimensional football team. They
can beat you a lot of different ways. And so
I thought our our scheme did a great job with
our coaching staff led by Al and his crew, to
create a plan that tried to minimize the run game

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and put pressure on the pass game, which even still
with Jared and their skill players, it's a difficult task.
But I thought our guys in a back on the
back end did a great job. A lot of times
we got five man fronts and so you're engaging five
in there, and that's why you see some of those
D linemen dropping because we've got five D linemen on
the field. And so everyone did their part. It wasn't
always perfect. They got some plays there, but I thought
for the most part, they they did their best down

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the field matching routes and some of the underneath stuff
is what got us. There were some mistackles there that
got us that if we can just get the guy
on the ground, we're in a position go to minimize
a lot of the explosive plays they had. It was
more that it's more underneath matching in the coverage and
getting the guy on the ground that led to.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Some of the explosives.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
And so again that area we can prove, but you
do you're right point out the third down. I thought
we were much much improved on third down and that
was gonna be There's not many times that that Detroit
has lived in third and five plus over the course
the season. We were able to get them in that position,
and you saw our defense make some plays there.

Speaker 11 (09:53):
There's some you know, you have three eyes behind Jake
who have been here for a month. What are the
limiting factors in terms of what you can do in
terms of their knowledge of the system if you are
trying to use those how much do they know compared.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
To what trying to do Everything we can to help
speed up the process for them, whether that's been me
meeting with them, pitch talking to them, Brad meeting with them,
some of a QC's meeting with them because we're in
game plan mode, so we have to spend our time
getting our team ready to go at the same time
getting a quarterback a lot of information. It's not just hey,

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you're blocking this guy or you're running this route. You
need to know what everybody's running, what all the protections are,
what the run plays are, what the checks are, what
gain says we utilize. So there's a lot there. So
we've tried to be creative in a lot of different
ways to get those guys the information to where they
can accelerate their learning process as fast as possible.

Speaker 12 (10:49):
Is that part of the overall challenge of trying to
if you were to bring in somebody from the outside
at this pointment of the season you have no institutional
knowledge of just said, is that the problem?

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah, that's a challenge, And in time you bring in scout,
team player, anyway, anybody over of course of the season,
that's a challenge.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
So you had that decision, I might say.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
That then you have to.

Speaker 8 (11:18):
Chase in Smadre, but ended up with the same amount
of rushing yards, But it seemed like Smadi was able
to give you a little bit more per carry. What's
the biggest difference you're sensing between those two when they.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
Are running well? I think both of them.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Sometimes it's opportunity, you know, it's it's made the most
of two opportunities. One, we did a great job up
front creating a big lane that got on the safety
then got five additional yards, whether you want to call
it breaking a tackle or dragon a guy for five
more yards, so that that's a full head of steam.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Chase.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
There was an opportunity there that we we didn't fully
take advantage of where he might have had that same opportunity,
you know, and and the play just went elsewhere. But
we got to find ways to maximize both of their
strengths and and find a way to get more out
of our run game opportunity from a play calling standpoint,
to get those guys the opportunity because there were some

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positives there. I mean, it's it's not we're not at
the yards per carry we want. We're not at the
yards per game we want Russian game. A lot of
that has to do with the score sometimes, but but
there's some opportunity there, and I gotta I gotta find
ways to lean into that and give those guys more opportunity.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
What if you learned from watching more kind of how
he's operated over these last couple of weeks as he's
got to double.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Adversity as a team.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Nothing that I've learned from him, just things that maybe
reconfirm what I thought about Jamarrow. And you know, I
don't think I was aware of the interaction on the
sideline what was being made of it. So I don't
pay much attention to that because I know where we
are and that's all I care about. With me and him.
People brought to my attention that it was was conceived

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as a it was perceived as a bad interaction, and
that's just not the case with you and I. And
again it's I've said everything I need to say about him.
It's he's carrying us through some difficult things on offense
right now. And for him to find two, I mean,
he ran a choice route out of the backfield and
scored a touchdown on the other side of the field,
so he became one in the progression and then he

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became five in the progression. And he made it work,
you know, and Jay gave him a great throw, Amari
used did a great job trying to finish his block
over there on the edge. That gave Jake an extra
second to get on the edge. And Jamar ends up
on a choice rout on the left and catches a
ball on a too tap on the right sideline works
a double move that really Brad craig Thorpe suggested during
the game with some of the coverages they were giving

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us to work a double move and scored a touchdown
there and Jamar was able to We hadn't had a
rep of that all week, and Jamar is able to
stick the guy and get wide open and tracking over
the shoulder touch for touchdowns. So some of the things
that he's able to adjust to during the game, understand
what we're asking him to do on the move during
a game. He can adapt to anything. And he's a

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big reason why we're going to find some success moving
forward on offense and score some points just because of
Jamar's leadership. Well to that point, when your best players
are also some of those vocal players, times like this
kind of how huge. It's huge because the guys at
all levels. He is a guy that works hard, he
performs on the field. It's trustworthy, and so his voice

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carries a lot of weight. Jamar is not always a
super vocal guy. I don't think if he have his
default is he wants to talk all the time. But
he felt the need that he needed to talk, and
I appreciate that he did that because some guys that's
just not They don't they don't do it. They don't
major in it, and so when they do it sometimes
it carries a lot more weight because guys know he's

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not vocal, he brings a ton of energy. Doesn't mean
he doesn't speak. He brings a lot of energy at practice,
which he need. But in terms of addressing the team
as a whole, that's part of the way that he
approached that and he was very significant for our guys.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Much more production.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Targets not named.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Jamar Well, it's that's a that's a matter of opportunity,
and so we we have not given ourselves a lot
of opportunity with getting first downs. So you can always
look at the end of the game and the targets,
and when you're scoring three points, you're not you're not
creating a lot of opportunities for yourself. And plays are
drives are being stunned by turnovers, some three and outs,
and so yeah, I wish we were having more twelve

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play drives where we could get everybody covered and create
more opportunity for people. And we just starting with me,
that I haven't done a good enough job getting us
in position where we can utilize all those weapons.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
Andre did have his best statistical game this year. Are
there opportunities there for him.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, there are yep. Again, that's that's that's us. That's
not that's not an Andre anything. Andre has done everything
he can to create that opportunity for himself, whether it's
run blocking, whether it's b walking down the field on
scrambles for other guys, whether that's winning one on one
you know, as we were getting both guys doubled yesterday,
and so you put them on the same side of
field and you let Andre work one on one and
he comes up big force down the field.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
And so.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
He just he made some big plays for us yesterday,
and he's a that we can always count on and
Toll we have a lot of weapons and so there's
always gonna be questions on why did this guy not
get this?

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Well, it's difficult. It's challenging when.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
I've got to figure out a way to get more
production out of our offense because we have a lot
of playmakers.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
Okay, thanks.

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Speaker 3 (16:28):
All right, there he goes Zach Taylor chatting with the
local professional football media on ESPN fifteen thirty the day
after the Bengals get beaten by the lines three consecutive
losses for Cincinnati thirty seven to twenty four of the
final score yesterday. I guess the two headlines from that
media session. Number one, Zach non committal as to who
the quarterback is going to be in Green Bay on Sunday, saying, quote,

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we'll see where it goes, and seid the goal is
to have somebody in place by Wednesday. Also announced when
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after the Bengals play the Green Bay Packers, which I
will just go ahead and assume is another bad matchup.

Speaker 10 (18:25):
It's a tough matchup for the Bengals, and you hate
to look ahead, but then you got a short week
bad matchup Steelers. Tough matchup, Oh, short week bad matchup.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, then it could be the Jets, who might not
have a win by then. Bad matchup playing a really
hungry team.

Speaker 10 (18:40):
Hungry team. Aaron Glenn is close. Yeah, they've just been
waiting for that opportunity. Do you think that like Scott Frost,
if he speaks tomorrow, will come out and just say, man,
you see, he's just a tough matchup? Are the Bearcats
the tough matchup for other teams that other teams are
for the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, they were on Saturday?

Speaker 3 (18:59):
How about that for Iowa State winners go first and
the Barracats winners on Saturday? Thirty eight thirty over Iowa
State to Bearracats on the cusp of the EIGHTP top
twenty five pole, twenty sixth this week twenty.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Eighth in the coaches poll. Has the program turned a corner?

Speaker 6 (19:17):
It feels like it.

Speaker 10 (19:19):
So it felt like Kansas was a starting point, and
then I think it's important how you handle some success.
I said it leading into the game on Saturday. As players.
Now as coaches, you're doing more media, talking to TV,
you're going to class and people are singing your praises.
It's a little bit easier to take the foot off
the gas. That's the opposite of what they did thirty

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one to seven. At one point they almost put two
what was it two sixteen rushing in the first half,
and they had given up one to eighteen a game
had Iowa State, so almost one hundred yards over the total.
It was one of the most physical displays up front,
by the way, third time this year offensive line of
the Week in the Big twelve. YEP, they're playing at

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such a high level. Sowersby wasn't his best and then
made the biggest throw when he needed to. And I
thought at times the defense looked rough, and then they
got five stops in a row in the second half
when they needed.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
To, well, when it felt like the script was going
to be familiar again, because I think there were a
lot of us thinking this is pit two point zero, right,
especially with the way the first half ended garbage PI call,
so it goes from thirty one to seven instead it's
thirty one fourteen, and you're feeling like, you know what,
here we go. And every time in the second half
where it felt like the defense needed to get a stop,

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it did.

Speaker 10 (20:38):
I think it goes to show that that that's a
group that can play with confidence. It's also hard playing
another offense that practices against your scheme every day, like
that's not easy. Iowa State knows what they're gonna do.
You're not gonna surprise anybody. But their playmakers made plays
when they needed it and when a penalty wasn't caught
on it. Multiple multiple opportunities given to Iowa State due

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to penalties, some warranted, some not. But even that part
of it, even that aspect, I thought they responded well
to adversity at different times in that game. I don't
know if I've seen a more dominant half offensively by
a football team in a long time, especially by an
offensive line, especially by.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
The offensive line who I know.

Speaker 10 (21:22):
I said, you and I are probably haters of the
second and ten run more than anybody. It was UC's
best weapon on Saturday. Six different times they got twelve
or more yards on second long runs. They're just operating
with confidence. They got a good group up front, protecting
receivers are coming into their own. The way they use

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Royer for the touchdown when I thought was phenomenal. I'd
still like to see them use him more on those
short yarded situations and getting Dante Corleone back and getting
some confidence on the defensive side.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Of the ball. I like where they're at.

Speaker 10 (21:55):
And oh, by the way, there are light years from
where they were last year on special teams.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I was gonna bring that up and Max Fletcher had
a couple of bad punts, including the one at the
end of the game where they inexplicably decided to back
the ball out of bounds. But beyond that, Russknack the
kicker has been perfect. They had a ball where they
downed it inside the five, which, by the way, the
Bengals could learn how to do this with their putter
Ryan Rico, who just seems content to try to kick

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the ball into the stands. But that was something you
and I talked about a lot this summer. The special
teams play last year was atrocious, yep. And the small
margin for ERA last year was made even smaller because
they were so bad in that area.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
It has turned into a.

Speaker 10 (22:37):
Weapon, Yeah, and it's been a strong weapon, not only
the punt, but you know, we mentioned this with mc
pherson in the offseason for the Bengals as a quarterback,
if you know, and let's say for Russknack, it's the
thirty yard line. If you're inside the thirty and you're
facing a third down, if you're not confident in the
guy that's gonna come on and kick you got a
higher likelihood and maybe try and fit a pass into

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a window you shouldn't, or take a chance instead if
it's not there, burn it, live to see another down
and take the three points. It's just a weapon that
they didn't possess last year that they are now in
possession of, and it it makes them even harder to
defend because then as a defense on third and short,
now you're trying to force a negative play. You want
to bring pressure, you want to add something leaves your

(23:20):
vulnerable on the back end. So they work in unison
really well. We talked about the Lions, how they seemingly
work off each other and everything they do to a sense,
that's UC's offense. R Walker is the power back Prior
is the explosive back sworersby can run it. They're utilizing
their receivers in multiple ways. They hit them with the

(23:41):
jets sweeps, they widen the defense out, they take shots
over the top when they need to. They're just they're
well balanced and Scott Saderfield seems to have a good
grip on who they are offensively.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
This feels different than last year. At the same time
last year they were five and two and then never
one again. What should make someone feel like history won't
repeat itself.

Speaker 10 (24:02):
More consistence on the offensive side of the ball, I
think is the biggest. I think special teams plays a role,
and I think defense, even though the last two weeks
haven't been great, I think Kansas is gonna put up
a lot of points on a lot of teams. That's
not a good matchup for a three to three five defense.
The way Kansas shifts and moves, and you didn't have
Dante Corleone. I think the defense is more consistent, but overall,

(24:25):
the offense is playing at such a higher level and
they're just in rhythm with everything that they do. And
let's call it what it is. The schedule is in
favor of them. They're ten and a half point favorites
on Saturday. They're gonna be favorites in Oklahoma State by
the time eight or by the way eight pm start.
They'll be favored against Baylor coming back home. Their toughest
matchup still is BYU that's a home game late in

(24:47):
the year. So they best team in the league right now.
They miss Arizona State. It's a good team.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
I think the schedules are a lot more favorable.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
As well, and they might not get UCF starting quarterback
Tenn Jackson, who got injured in that game against against
Kansas four and one. It does feel like to me
the difference is this last year and the second half
of the season, the offense went into a shell because
they didn't have dudes on the outside.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I think they've got dudes on the outside.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
They were easier to guard last year a lot. Yeah,
take away the.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Run game, load the box, make somebody beat you. They
didn't have it.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I don't think that's the case this year.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (25:21):
They can beat you in so many different ways, with
so many different guys.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I said this to you on the pregame show yesterday.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
You stepped in for Jim Kelly yet again on Saturday
and did an awesome job doing color, which is no surprise.
We do want to on this show at least make
sure that folks are aware that Jim.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Is stepped away for the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
It's fighting cancer and we're rooting for him, and ask
our audience if they can send him some good wishes,
because the cool thing about Saturday was they won the
game and then all of us felt the exact same thing.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
This was for Jim Kelly.

Speaker 10 (25:55):
Yeah, I've said it a couple of times. I think
the Kelly fan, you see his royalty like you think
of excellence. You think of the Kelly family and the
impact that they've had as a whole on the University
of Cincinnati. And yet that legacy and that excellence comes
far short of how amazing of a person he is. Yes,

(26:16):
like excellence in sports. The person that Jim is, family man,
nicest guy, shirt off his back, everything that you'd ever need,
he's Uh, he's there for and uh, we're certainly pulling
for him. I think of road trips that we've been at, like,
I'm gonna miss road trips, just not so much for
the game, but being able to hang out with Jim
and go to dinner and have drinks the night before

(26:38):
that was always a highlight for me as well. So
he's missed and our thoughts are certainly with him and
the battle that he's facing. And and we wish him, uh,
nothing but the best.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
No one personifies U see football more and no one's
more synonymous, and no one cares about that program more.
And we care about Jim, so certainly sending him our
best and uh, and it was it was really cool
that I think everybody felt the exact same thing.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
After that game mended.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
The Bearcats won one for Jim Kelly. Twenty five away
from four o'clock. We're at twin peaks?

Speaker 6 (27:09):
What else can we do? Can we do more?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
UC?

Speaker 6 (27:11):
We do basketball? That's offseason, a little basketball.

Speaker 10 (27:14):
What else can we do with the cat Because I
know what's coming and I don't know if I'm ready
for it yet.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Well, you know, we're a little behind for the hour here.
I gotta do sports headlines.

Speaker 10 (27:22):
Okay, Baseball playoffs, Yeah, baseball playoffs? What I wrote some
other stuff down? Baseball playoffs? FC Cincinnati c Cincinnati, Penn
State lost, and the world of sports rejoiced. Uh and
Mark Sheldon said that all the Reds coaching staff has
been invited back. So let's dive into maybe all of
those things.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
We will, we will.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
I'm worried about where we're going.

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Sunday for the Bengals, said quote, We'll see.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Where it goes.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Not the most ringing endorsement for Jake Browning Bengals and Packers.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
On Sunday.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
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Phillies in Philly, LA came.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Back from an early three ZIP lead to win Game one.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Game two gets underway shortly after six o'clock, and after
scoring nine runs in the first two innings on Saturday
in Game one, the Brewers have a one to zero
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First pitch a little bit after nine pm, and H
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(30:09):
made the playoffs. I did take a key to the
season was great first base coaching by Colin cal Gill. Yes,
when I watched the Reds this year, I thought to myself,
he's doing a really good job during the first coach Kidney,
come on, come on, all right, I know you don't
want to do it. Take a break in a few minutes,

(30:31):
all right. Jake Browning's play yesterday was putrid, and I
do not care that he threw a couple of garbage
time touchdown passes when the game was in the balance.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
He's stunk.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
At one point because Jake Browning stunk so bad, Jamar
Chase was leading the team in tackles. If there's one
thing I think we learned yesterday, by the way, it's
that Jamar Chase is among the team's more reliable tacklers. Yes,
you know, Jermaine got released by the Raiders. He could
perhaps learn something from Jamar Chase. My question for you, though,
is this, Jake Browning did do a nice job in

(31:08):
twenty twenty. Sure he was undrafted when he had success
with the Bengals in twenty twenty three NFL teams, which
are starved for quarterbacks, weren't exactly knocking down the Bengals
door to try to get him. He's a dude who
bounced around a little bit. He was never drafted. Should
we be shocked that his poor play is as bad

(31:28):
as it's been since he took over for Sober.

Speaker 10 (31:30):
He didn't get drafted for a reason. He's a backup
for a reason. The shocking point of it is that
he's still the quarterback of the Bengals. The shocking point
that weeks ago they did not bring someone in house
just to get them up the speed in case this happened.
That's what's shocking. He can't start another game for the Bengals.
This team went nineteen possessions without a touchdown, nineteen to

(31:51):
trade possessions. You mentioned Jamar Chase being a leading tackler.
At one point in the second quarter, he had thrown
more interceptions than yards park completion, two interceptions in one
point eight yards per completion. He he misses more. And
this is to me why, and I try to break
it down in these videos, Zach gets a ton of heat,
and rightfully so. There are plays called that if you

(32:14):
just take the simplest of reeds for a quarterback, you
are going to succeed. Throws are just blatantly missed. Reads
are blatantly missed. When he does throw it to the
right receiver, it's just not in a good spot to
make a catch. The accuracy is not there. It looked
like a quarterback version of the yips. When he threw
the third pick yesterday, hitting himself in the helmet, the

(32:36):
look on his face was unbelievable.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
To put it into perspective.

Speaker 10 (32:41):
Twenty twenty four, Joe Burrow dropped back nine hundred and
sixty nine hundred and fifty two times he threw six
or nine interceptions. Jake Browning has thrown eight interceptions in
one hundred and twenty four attempts. Just that stat alone,
you can't tell me that you're interested in winning if
you're putting him out there.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
And I get bad plays happen.

Speaker 10 (33:07):
The announcers were trying to find an excuse on the
interception to Jamar Chase down the field. He had a
clean pocket, He hitched up, and he threw the ball
what seemed like as hard as he could and it
went forty five yards in the air.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
Was there a stiff win yesterday at the stadium.

Speaker 10 (33:22):
No, he missed Jamar Chase on the first interception, on
a throw that any quarterback should make. You know you
miss outside and if not, reset your feet and hit
t Higgins in your progression in the middle of the field.
But the worst the defense actually played well fourteen to
three coming out of the half. Go get a touchdown
and see what happens. And you threw your worst of
the interceptions to start the third quarter. How he finished

(33:45):
the game, I don't know how he could ever start
another game for this team.

Speaker 6 (33:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I will ask you in a few minutes about the
weird sequence at the end of the first half, because
I hate how that unfolded. But my thought at halftime,
wandering the concourse amid all the Lions, was Okay, Jake,
I'll give you one series in the second half. Yep, right,
I've given you a long leash. I've watched you sink
our team the previous two weeks. I've watched you in

(34:12):
the first half put us behind the eight ball. I
will give you, though. I will give you the first
drive of the second half, and if we don't see
seven points or at least dramatic improvement. I gotta try
somebody else. I'd put on social media, like put in
the other guy. I don't even care who the other
guy is. Any living, breathing human being with at least

(34:33):
one arm put in there, whether it's Brett Rippen or
anybody else, I do not know.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I don't know how you could look at the.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Other players on the team, say what you want about
the roster, including guys you have benched for poor performance,
and look at them and say we're gonna stay with
number six.

Speaker 10 (34:52):
But that's part of the problem. If three weeks ago
they went out and signed Russell Wilson and he was
on the roster, would he have been put in yesterday?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I would like to think so.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
Yes, he'd have been putting in at halftime.

Speaker 10 (35:02):
But the fact that you didn't sign him or any
other quarterback outside of again, no offense to Sean Clifford
and Mike White. If it's any other quarterback, he's in
the game yesterday. But the fact that you didn't do
your work. Then again, fourteen three at a half, you
could turn to russ you could turn to anyone else.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
Hey, go get us back in this thing.

Speaker 10 (35:21):
Instead, another futrid interception, and here we are again. To
me the statement last week utmost confidence in Jake Browning
lie has to be And there's.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
No way I was.

Speaker 10 (35:34):
I was in the locker room for a one win
team in Carolina that's not flying. There's no one in
that locker room that's believing that Jake Browning is giving
them a chance to win.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
And the longer you keep.

Speaker 10 (35:45):
This up, the more and more you lose the locker room.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
So it's Monday at three forty eight. Yeah, Zach Taylor
said forty minutes ago. Quote, We'll see where it goes.
Maybe there's a guy in the building right now finalizing
the and he's gonna practice tomorrow and be the starting
quarterback on Sunday. Maybe right now it's Jake Browning or
Brett Rippan are one of those other dudes. Now, Brett

(36:11):
Rippin might be better than Jake Browning. Frankly, it's hard
to imagine he could be any worse. But like the
game happened almost twenty four hours ago.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
So if they if they haven't brought in somebody else today,
like could they? I know other teams could because I've
seen other teams do it. Could they bring in somebody
from outside, have them practice on Wednesday and feel like
they could win at Green Bay on Sunday.

Speaker 10 (36:37):
It would bring in in someone from the outside. Practicing
on Wednesday would give them a better chance to win
at Green Bay.

Speaker 6 (36:43):
I agree easily.

Speaker 10 (36:44):
You could bring someone in Thursday, and I'd still say
it gives them a better chance to win in Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
They could pick somebody up in Appleton, Wisconsin on Sunday morning,
and I think would give him a better chance in
beating the Packers than Jake Browning.

Speaker 10 (36:55):
Bea because the throws that Jake Brownie missed not crazy reads.
It's not confusing reads. It's very simple. Just put the
ball where it needs to go and read the right
side of the field. They didn't do any of that.
Like that's why Again, there was a point I said
to my wife yesterday, I think BROWNI was eight of
seventeen for thirty one yards. I think I could have

(37:18):
done that. I legit think I could have shown up
and done that yesterday. Now scrambling around the throat of no, yeah,
I'm out, but yeah, what he did in the first
half as bad as bad a quarterback performance as I
remember seeing and The fact that he came back out
do an interception to start the third quarter and still

(37:40):
finished the game is remarkable to me.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
So after the Jacksonville game, most of us felt like, Okay,
their championship hopes went up and smoked because Burrow's not healthy,
but they should still be able to win games because
this is a decent backup quarterback. We felt that way
because of what we watched from him two years ago.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yep, why why do the sudden drop off?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Like what if we're watching critically two years ago versus now,
what are you pointing out that he did well two
years ago that he seemingly can't do now.

Speaker 10 (38:10):
The fact that they have zero semblance of a running
game hurts, sure, because you can run screens and you
can do under center, but if no one respects that
you're going to run the ball, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
No one's biting on it.

Speaker 10 (38:20):
You know, they tried to run the screen on the
third and fifteen early and they couldn't even come close
to it because no one's biting on a run.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
No one's believing in that.

Speaker 10 (38:29):
So the inability to have any semblance of a running game,
which by the way, it's hard to have a semblance
of a running game when you give up on it.
As well, most teams run early so that they can
run late. They don't stick to the running game at all.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
But ken you when you're always down twenty eight three,
Yeah that's a problem as well.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
But yeah, should down twenty eight three each in the
last three games.

Speaker 10 (38:48):
But outside of that, in the offensive line, I don't
know that there are many differences that you can point
to that team years ago could have a little bit
better success running the ball the game Jake Brownie took over.
We highlighted that here in Westchester in the wins and
those four wins, the one constant was they were all

(39:08):
able to run the ball at different times throughout those games.
They can't do that now, which means the quarterback has
to shoulder more of the load. Which again, great, great
high school, great college career. Undrafted For a reason, I.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Want to make a correction, The Bengals didn't trail Minnesota
twenty eight three. Oh, they trailed twenty four to three,
and then thirty one to three, okay, and then thirty
four to three, forty one to three, and forty eight three.

Speaker 10 (39:35):
So sorry that sorry about that. The game never felt
winnable yesterday. I think that was the most demoralizing thing for.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Me, Tony.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
It didn't feel winnable at noon yesterday.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
No.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I mean, we did a three hour pregame show.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I've I cannot recall ever hosting a pregame show with
you or anybody else where. We didn't even entertain the
possibility they would win. No, And that to me is
the most frustrating thing. What we we watched ended up
being what we assumed we would see. Yeah, from Jake
Browning and everybody else.

Speaker 10 (40:06):
And I go back to what we talked about on
the pregame show yesterday. Jamar Chase said last week we
need more anger and fire. Where's it coming from?

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Uh, It's gonna come from Taran if we keep going
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(42:17):
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Speaker 10 (42:35):
And at the very core, we may be on the
cusp of getting Joe Burrow back.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I'll let you expand on that.

Speaker 10 (42:44):
How about the defense from yesterday? I have to do
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It feels like a bye week or the holiday.

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It's it's week five, the week five We're going.

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To do aught though it is another tough matchup.

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Speaker 2 (43:27):
So we're gonna talk.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
We're gonna talk more about Jake Browning in the game
itself yesterday and all of that. Here's my first issue
with the Bengals as they currently stand. This organization is
built on one thing. It's built on Joe Burrow elevating
everybody else. It is a flimsy plan because number one,
you can't keep Joe healthy. Also, last year, Joe was

(43:53):
healthy and played great, He was awesome. The team finished
nine and eight. They had to win their last five
games to even have a chance to make the postseason.
That if anything exposed last year, the holes on the roster,
the flaws that are sort of built into this organization.

(44:13):
So what happens this year? Joe isn't healthy, Joe can't play,
and so this already shaky premise of have Joe elevate
everybody now it falls apart. The entire thing collapses, And yes,
Jake Browning has been terrible, and yes they should be
examining any and all options at quarterback. But I look
at the team left in the wake of Joe Burrow

(44:35):
leaving to go on IR and I see a bad roster,
not good. I have a hard time, Tony I will.
I'll remove rookies from this conversation. So Shamar Stewart, Demetrius Knight,
Barrett Carter, guys like that, Dylan Fairchild, look at everybody else.
I can't find five players I'm excited about being on
next year's team.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
They're not a good team.

Speaker 10 (44:58):
The team and the premise is built on Joe Burrow
to go be great like he was last year. Went oh,
by the way, he was great statistically, Jamar Chase won
the Triple Crown, Trey Hendrickson led the league in sacks,
and they missed the playoffs. You essentially ran it back
with the same thing. I'm a firm believer that nothing
in their development and personnel decisions matches what they want

(45:20):
to do scheme wise. Because Burrow being healthy that you
put all your eggs into the basket of let's get
better pass protections, which are still not He still failed
on that but in doing so, you don't have one
above average run blocker on your offensive line. Defensively, you
were built to bend, but don't break. Just limit teams
to three or field goal tries and the offense is

(45:40):
going to score the points. Now, what are we asking
the defense to do?

Speaker 13 (45:44):
Now?

Speaker 10 (45:44):
They gotta be better. They don't have the personnel to
be better. They're a bad defense. Cam Taylor Brett can't cover,
Josh Newton can't cover. Yesterday, they asked Cam Sample and
Joseph Osai to cover. Neither of them can cover. Logan
Wilson right now can't cover. And if your name's not
Trey Hendrickson, they really can't get after the passer. They

(46:07):
are void of talent and void of coaching that can
out scheme and out manage. The lack of talent to
bring success a lah what Shanahan did on Thursday Night
Football with Mac Jones. They don't have the ability and
the coaching staff to do that. They don't have the
roster to do it. And when you don't have Joe
Burrow to say, hey, roll them on out there, go

(46:30):
be great. If you don't like what I call, just
change it. At to the line of scrimmage. When you
don't have any of that, you're going to see what
you're seeing now, which is a team that's not competitive
and a team that's not able, like we see across
the NFL. To shock anybody, we mentioned yesterday Carolina one
a game thirty to nothing over the Atlanta Falcons. How

(46:50):
they're not a better roster? How does San Francisco win
on Thursday night? How does the Giants without a win
and a rookie quarterback beat the Chargers? It happens throughout
the end all the time. The Bengals don't have the
ability to do that because, in my opinion, they don't
have the coaching to do it. And when you don't
have the coach and they also don't have the roster.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
To back it up, right, So it's it's like chicken
or the egg. It's like a hamster, right, I mean,
it's just But the frustrating thing for me is at
the end of last season, we looked at that team
and said not good enough. Yeah, not good enough. The
record told you as much. Defensively, what did they do?
Same group of DB's back, same money, same group of

(47:32):
d one guy you asked to take a pay cut,
same group of DB's back. Yeah, so why would anybody
be surprised that the same group of dbs is struggling
this year now? But having Schamar Stewart healthy would probably help.
But they have been struggling to find a consistent pass
rush minus Trey Hendrickson for a while now. They looked
at their defense last year and said, we don't need

(47:55):
an overhaul. We need to basically run it back with
all these guys and and Al Golden is gonna get
significantly better results from last year's unit. The offensive line,
we have beaten this to death. It's not been because
of lack of trying. It's not been because of lack
of financial investment. Duke Tobin hasn't gotten it done. The
offensive line has stunk for a decade. Now, did it

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feel like they went to the end of the earth.
They were still signing offensive lineman with a week to
go before the season started in Dalton Reisner, and that
guy lasted three games. So you have areas of your
team that weren't good last year or who have or
that have stunk for a while, and Duke Tobin did
next to nothing with either.

Speaker 10 (48:36):
I heard Austin say it today. If the season ended
today and you're going in the offseason. You can make
the argument you need a left tackle, center.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
And a right guard.

Speaker 10 (48:43):
Uh huh already, uh huh. And that's hoping Mims and
fair Child get better. That's just on the old line already.
What do we talk about twelve personnel? Yesterday? Mike Kasicki
played thirty one snaps.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
That's half.

Speaker 10 (48:59):
Drew Sample played twenty seven snaps, Noah Fan played fifteen.
Tanner Hudson played one. So now we've already seen them
abandon twelve personnel. See Higgins can't get him open.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
To save their life.

Speaker 8 (49:10):
Right.

Speaker 10 (49:10):
So, offensively, this scheme doesn't match the personnel. Again, defensively,
Holy moly. We asked on the first drive of the
game yesterday, Mo Joseph Osai to cover Sam Laporta. Second drive,
we asked Cam Sample to cover Sam Laporta. We have guys,
mo Demetrious Knight was drafted. Why he can cover and

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he's athletic. Logan Wilson played one hundred percent of the snaps.
Demetrius Knight played fifty eight percent, Barreck Carter fifty three percent.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
I'm not sure Barrett Carter's snap count should be zero. Yeah,
I'm not sure that dude can play right.

Speaker 10 (49:48):
I don't either, But it's like, nothing makes sense. You
drafted Demetrius Knight to be a cover guy. Why is
Logan Wilson now back to one hundred percent of the
naps and you're taking Demetrius Knight snaps making it up
as they go along. And what's we're baffling to me?
Their best player on defense, Trey Hendrickson. What were we
told in the offseason when Tray was away. Trey does
a great job keeping his body ready. He'll be ready

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to go. Trey Hendrickson yesterday did not play as many
snaps as Joseph Osai.

Speaker 6 (50:16):
Now two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Well, you're gonna trade him. You can't get him hurt.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
Two weeks ago?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
What we say in Denver man Hendrickson was on the
sideline every time I saw him.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
He played sixty percent of the.

Speaker 10 (50:27):
Snaps yesterday with Shamar Stewart out of the game. So
you're shorthanded and you already lack playmakers and Trey Hendrickson
can't play more than sixty percent of the snaps.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
Nothing about the personnel and the.

Speaker 10 (50:42):
Scheme makes sense with this team from the way they've
been built to the way they've been coached, by the
way short sample size. Lu An Arumo's got a top
five defense cooking now an Indy. Oh crazy, how that works?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (50:54):
Al Golden was asked to do the impossible, come in
and don't touch the defense and just expect to be better.
I don't understand snap counts. Josh Newton played three snaps yesterday.
Cam Taylor brit played twenty two. Like nothing in these
it looks like mo They sit there and they're just
throwing darts on a board and seeing.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
Okay, let's see if this sticks.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Well, and you mentioned Al Golden and Al Golden doesn't
get a pass either because he took the job. And
I'm guessing signed off on Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, tell
you what. Let's let's bring Cam Taylor brick back. In fact,
let's not add a dB, let's not add a dB anywhere.
Let's bring back all these dudes. I can do better
with him. Well you can't.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
And as much as.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
You'll hear from folks, well, you know, Jake Browning put
him in some short fields and against that offense, they
kind of held their own.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Here's what I said all off season.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Okay, miss me with this league average defense crap, Because
what I care about is in the fourth quarter, can
you get stops? Can you get off the field? Can
you finish games? Can you give your quarterback a chance?
They scored the touchdown yesterday with over ten minutes to
go where Browning actually completes a pass to his best tacklers, Chase.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
So it's twenty eight to seventeen. They're in the game.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Yeah, they don't have great chances of winning the game,
but they're in it. They're down by two scorers, they've
got a measure of momentum, they've got more than ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
They need a stop.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
All off season as we're hearing about how great Al
Golden's gonna do with all these crappy players from last year,
and I'm hearing about how just gotta be a league average,
just gotta be a league average. Well, right there, I
need better than league average, right there, I need a
stop or a turnover.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
What did I get?

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Eight plays, sixty eight yards a five minute drive that.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Ended the game.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
So miss me with this league average stuff, Miss me
with how great Al Golden's gonna do with the same guys,
Because with the game and the season hanging in the
balance in the fourth quarter yesterday.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
That didn't happen.

Speaker 10 (52:50):
They're poorly coached and they're a bad roster. Special teams
has been bad. Defense has been bad. You mentioned that drive.
It wasn't like they like Detroit converted a bunch of
third law they never got to turn down. It was
anything Detroit wanted to do. It felt mo like a
team playing in a preseason game.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
It did.

Speaker 6 (53:09):
It felt like, hey, let's let's work on this. Let's
work on that.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
We're not showing anything.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
Yeah, we're not putting anything on that.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Is that the excuse me doing that one?

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, don't want to put anything on film that the
Packers can study.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Like here was that drive?

Speaker 10 (53:22):
Yes, Detroit was probably the worst defense you've seen to
this point. Good offen, but you don't offer any resistance.
Bad matchup?

Speaker 6 (53:33):
What all it is?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
A Monree Saint Brown seven yards, Saint Brown twenty six yards.
Then David mcgoty the way on the twenty six yarder
camp Taylor Brook was about eight yards off in coverage.
Correct six yard run, five yard run, nine yard run,
one yard run on second and one where you knew
who was getting in and what they were going to do.

Speaker 10 (53:51):
Then, just that's what I was be able to do.
If the defense knows what you're gonna do, you should
be able to stop it.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Right, And then a two yard run in Jared Goff's
touchdown pass which ended the game. So like right there,
right there, this Hey, we're bringing all the same guys back.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Defense, Al Golden's gonna figure it out.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Didn't didn't, So miss me with this defense wasn't that
bad yesterday because when they needed the defense to step
up they couldn't, which it couldn't last year, which it
hasn't in any big situation this year. If Brian Thomas
doesn't drop that pass in the Jacksonville game, the defense fails.

Speaker 6 (54:25):
There.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
The defense kind of helped Cleveland stay around. Like I
just it's the roster. The roster is so bad. I
can't name more than three guys I want on next
year's team. And the frustrating thing is we sat around
all off season as Duke Tobin willingly shrugged his shoulders
and said, can't do anything.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Okay, too busy, Jamar and t like where we're at.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
We'll get the same crappy players to a new defensive
coordinator and expect different results.

Speaker 10 (54:54):
Yeah, they used their first two draft picks on defense,
like they they made those moves on the defense and
then drafted two early defensive players to say, because you
couldn't draft rut Ledge Ratlets from Georgia. Who starts for
the Lions. By the way, I watched that game. I've
watched three Lions games this year.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Mo.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
That wasn't their a offense yesterday.

Speaker 10 (55:14):
I watched games where they motion and they shift, and
they used Gibbs and Montgomery and Saint Brown. They were
as vanilla as I've ever watched them b Yesterday. They
showed nothing, and when they needed to do it, they
dominated up and down the field when they needed it
the most. Campbell wasn't aggressive on fourth downs, he wasn't
empty in the playbook. That was as basic a Lions

(55:37):
game plan as you'll see. And they still, whenever they
wanted to, did whatever they wanted to against this Bengals defense,
as every other offense is going to continue to do.
So don't worry about matchups, because here's what's gonna be.
Christian Watson's coming back for Green Bay this week. Josh Jacobs,
that's a tough matchup with Jordan Love, Aaron Rodgers and

(55:58):
Pittsburgh always a pesky matchup. Well, here come the Jets,
and I know they don't have a win, but man,
justin fields and and Breeze Hall, they can create some problems.
Have you seen the Patriots with Drake May that's a quarterback.
Now that's gonna give some some problems to a lot
of people. Everyone will be a badge for this defense.
Why because the players on the defense stink. The players stink,

(56:19):
and the one player that doesn't stink can't play more
than sixty percent of the snaps.

Speaker 6 (56:24):
But he's in such.

Speaker 10 (56:25):
Good shape he's ready to go win. Shamar Stewart's not able.
If Shamar's healthy and you're rotating, fine, you're shorthanded. Max
Murphy Miles Murphy played thirteen snaps, Cam Sample played twenty.
That's your best option to run out there when when
you need to stop. Because the drive that you're alluding to,

(56:46):
Hendrickson was on the sidelines. He came off the field
once to get his hand looked at, and they just
kept ten.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
On the field.

Speaker 10 (56:54):
Had to take another time out twelve one week ten
the week, Oh, the Bengals don't have.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Enough players on the field, and with the game hanging
out the balance, with the games laughable hanging in the balance.
So to me, Jake Browning is an awesome meat shield
because I expect Jake Browning to play poorly, like I do.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
He's a backup quarterback. My standards aren't that high.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
I do expect a defense with a bunch of dudes
that Duke Tobin has looked at and said, I want
them to be a part of the turnaround. I expect
that unit to play better. I expect the defense to
elevate the crappy backup quarterback.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
It can so just it can't.

Speaker 10 (57:34):
Just add to the list of draft picks now. So
Miles Murphy thirteen snap, We're done on him? Yeah, former
first round pick. Another one's gone right, Cam Taylor Britt
done seen enough?

Speaker 2 (57:43):
How many more times do you get benched?

Speaker 6 (57:45):
I don't. I'm with you.

Speaker 10 (57:47):
I hope Demetrius Knight's the guy. I hope Shamar Stuart's
the guy. It's too early to tell.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Who else.

Speaker 10 (57:55):
And it is we're talking a couple of weeks ago
that Logan Wilson said he was gonna get a snap
count taken away, and now he's playing one hundred percent
of the snaps, the personnel, the usage. Nothing makes sense.
And as bad as that is, Moan, I know we'll
get into it. Not even the worst I saw yesterday
because we're gonna talk about a flea flicker at some

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point today.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
We're gonna talk about a flea flicker, and we're gonna
talk about whatever it is they were doing at the
end of the first half.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Oh, twenty four minutes after four o'clock.

Speaker 10 (58:24):
That'll get me in a better mood. You gotta do
some reading on the break. Let's get to a break.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You've got some reading there to do.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
Yeah, let me know all about it.

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Speaker 2 (58:49):
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Speaker 2 (59:48):
We're going to light the mood, oh by talking about
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you know.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
We started the show by talking about the Bearcats, because
winners go first. Yes, I have a neglected to mention
one thing that I feel like a lot of folks
have talked about in the aftermatch of UC's victory, and
that's the fact that the students ran onto the field.
Oh yeah, a lot of people big mad mo Now
I haven't encountered these folks.

Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
Oh I've been flooded with them, have you, Big Mad?
Big Mad?

Speaker 10 (01:00:20):
You don't rush the field if you're favorite in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
So you see football was not good last year?

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Bad?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
You see football the year before was wretched, correct bad.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
So it's been a few years, we have a coaching change,
the growing pains of the Big twelve, Like it's it's
been dark and it feels like the program is turning
a corner. And and the big takeaway is the student
shoulder phone on the field, and that's that's the big thing.
And let it be known. Fans were asked to strike
the stadium, Fans were asked to be loud. Atmosphere is

(01:00:48):
unbelievab was great.

Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
It was great.

Speaker 10 (01:00:50):
If they want to storm the field and say, hey man,
that was fun. Let's come back and do it again
next Saturday. Yeah, look like I'm sorry. You can't be
begging for a product on the field and then criticism, Well,
it's embarrassing if your storm the field is as a
ranked who's embarrassed?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Are you embarrassed?

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
I'm not embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I'm not embarrassed. No, who's embarrassed?

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
People?

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Big mad So your favorite team. Yeah, I assume these
are Barracat fans. I like you've been there before.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
They haven't. You've been there before in a while.

Speaker 10 (01:01:20):
Quite some time, in a few years. I just I
like everything about where this team is going. And I
like that it feels like like we said, I've said
this the last couple of weeks with you when I'm
out or people talk to me years past. What do
you think about the what it is? Everyone right now
wants to talk about the Bearcats. They're winning, They have

(01:01:42):
a chance to win this week and be ranked in
the top twenty five. They have a favorable schedule. Everything
that you They have likable players on the team, very
think what you want, They have a likable coach. Let
people enjoy the ride however you want to enjoy it. Yes,
if you like watching the game, if you like going

(01:02:04):
to the game, if you like listening to the game,
just enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
I just, for the life of me, I don't understand.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
It's a fourteenth three team in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
If you're if you're a fan of the team, like
I like, What we as sports fans love to do
is look down, look down our noses at the fans
of the other teams as in the bathroom yesterday and
Bengals fans are like, oh yeah, Lions call me when
you get to a Super Bowl. It's like, okay, whatever, dude,
your team just got shrucked.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, but I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
So if if your go to because you can't stand
to see someone else happy, is I root for another
team and I'm gonna make fun of the fact that
the kids ran on the field. Okay, if you're a
UC fan and your big takeaway after watching the struggles
of the last two years to the team turning the corner,
and again, I don't think they're home free. I'm a

(01:02:50):
little bit. I'm cautiously optimistic. Yes, I saw them melt
down at the end of the season last year. Like,
I get it. But if your first take away from
that game, which there was lots of stuff to that game,
was you're embarrassed that the fans ran on the field,
you know what, then be embarrassed. Yeah, be embarrassed, and
your seat and the rest of us on the field,

(01:03:11):
the rest of us over here will have a good time.

Speaker 10 (01:03:13):
It's also pretty cool for students or kids or anyone
to be able to go on the field and have
an interaction with the player. I saw pictures of soorsby
out there taking pictures with kids that storm the field.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
I ran on member I store in the field in
nineteen ninety nine, UC Meat Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Yeah, Ron Dane fumbling into the end zone.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Bearcats won three games that year.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
As I ran out onto the field, knowing the Bearcats
were going to have the best team in college basketball,
because that ended up being Keny Martin senior. Here, this
is September of ninety nine. I encountered a Wisconsin fan. Oh,
and this Wisconsin fan grabs me and he's like, yeah,
hey man, remember when you graduated a basketball player, because
that was the thing right then. And I looked at

(01:03:57):
the guy and I just said, wait till basketball season.

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
Yeah, we had the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Number one team in the country. They went to the
Final four because our guy broke his leg. That's what
I get. Yeah, but I did storm the field.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
It's a twenty twelve year old young man.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
I'm a pro field stormer. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
As a general rule, I'm not in favor of trespassing. Yeah,
but in that environment, it's done orderly.

Speaker 10 (01:04:20):
Now two thousand and eight, Pittsburgh. You better wait till
the games done to storm the field.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
It's true, but like I get it whatever, it was harmless.
It was fun as a player.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Uh huh.

Speaker 10 (01:04:35):
Some of my fondest memories were being on the field
as it was being stormed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Oh I bet Syracuse Pittsburgh because you're wearing armor. Yeah,
and it's just but it's fun because there's so many
people excited.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, it's great visual.

Speaker 10 (01:04:48):
Like every time, like you're looking at like random friends
and family members are just running around everywhere like crazy,
and you're like, man, this is awesome. It's when it happens.
It's a cool visual.

Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
And Saturday I thought was a cool vision. Will quite
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College football, the UC Bearcats twenty sixth just on the
outside looking into the ap Top twenty five Pole, twenty
eighth Coaches Poll. A Jake Golda named the Defensive Player
of the Week in the Big Twelve. Offensive line for
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(01:07:12):
seventh in both baseball playoffs. Tonight a pair of National
League games, Game two in the series between the Dodgers
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we are at Twin Peaks in Westchester. It's the Tony
and Mo Football Show. Can you explain to me what
the Bengals were doing at the end of the first half,
down fourteen to nothing. They have the football, they are driving. Yeah,
and I'm sure you're thinking what I am, which is
all right, get seven right, double dip, double dip, get

(01:07:54):
the ball to start the third quarter. But you need
seven there, you're not gonna get field goals. They run
a play with forty seven seconds to go. They gain
ten yards on a third and fourteen, so they're now
at the Detroit thirty two. They have two timeouts. The
offense stays on the field and pretty much stands there.
Now this is after they take a delay of game

(01:08:16):
before the third and fourth two thirty nine, So they
take a delay a game with two timeouts, game ten yards.
It's fourth and four from the thirty two. Now, in
my thinking, you're not beating the Lions by kicking a
field goal. You need seven. The offense stands there. They
finally let the clock go down to three. They call

(01:08:37):
time out. They kick the field goal. Fourteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
What are we doing.

Speaker 10 (01:08:39):
I've got Jamar Chase, I've got t Higgins, I've got
forty nine seconds and two timeouts.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
I'm going for it. Season's unraveling.

Speaker 10 (01:08:49):
We talked about this with the decision last week on
fourth and two to kick the field goal against Denver.
You will not beat the Lions kicking field goals.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
You won't. You won't beat any good team kicking field goals.
I don't know, mo.

Speaker 10 (01:09:05):
I watched it back today. You couldn't have more of
a lack of urgency on the third and nine. And
in today's football, you know the play clock's running down.
Take the timeout, right, got two? You got two?

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:09:16):
When you don't take it now the third and fourteen,
I broke this down earlier today. If a accurate slant
has thrown to andre Josi Vash, he probably scores the
ball starne so far behind him. It's a catch and tackle.
I am running up to the line of scrimmage, or
I'm calling the timeout and I'm going to go try
to convert the fourth down and score a touchdown. Middle

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of the field still open because you got timeouts, so
you're not just limiting yourself to a shot.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
You know, a hail Mary type play.

Speaker 10 (01:09:46):
You had a legit chance to run four or five
more plays in the half, and instead you'll let the
clock run down and you took the three, and then
you went back to Jake Browning in the third quarter
and do an interception.

Speaker 6 (01:09:58):
The game was over.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Then, at twenty eight to three, the Bengals got the
ball back at their own twenty seven yard line.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Now, admittedly you're.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Down by twenty five points, but there's still twenty minutes
to go in the game. It's unlikely, Yeah, it's very unlikely,
But you're keeping your first team offense out there. If
you didn't know the score, if you didn't know who
was winning the game, and you watched that drive which
did end in a touchdown Jamar Chase on a really

(01:10:27):
nice scramble play by Jake Browning where he got out
of trouble found Jamar Chase, who made a nice catch.
The problem is the drive took I'm looking at this year.
The drive took nearly six minutes. Yeah, they were huddling.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Yep, they were huddling with the clock running.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
No hurry.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
They come out of the huddle and they used pretty
much the entire play clock.

Speaker 6 (01:10:46):
How baffling. Baffling. I don't know what you're working on.
I don't know what you're doing, but.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
You would think that they were up twenty five trying
to kill as much clock as possible.

Speaker 10 (01:10:57):
But if you listen MO post game, I thought this
was like an AI thing. Zach Taylor claims that had
they got that onside, they'd have won.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Zach Taylor's out of his mind.

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
If they had just got the onside. You know what
this team's capable of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
That is that the excuse is that week's excuse.

Speaker 10 (01:11:14):
Thought they had a chance to get it. Have we
stumbled upon it that they just got the onside that
I thought it was an AI video, because I'm like, surely,
there's no way he just said that. And by the way,
it didn't even burn his last time out at the
end of the game to make them run another play.
But if they'd got that onside kick, things were changed.
But everything we've discussed MO fails in comparison to I

(01:11:35):
think Pops possibly the call of the year at this moment.
How many undercenter runs have the Bengals hit so far?

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
None?

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
None, zero.

Speaker 10 (01:11:44):
They did not run the ball under center once, and
yet just under twelve minutes left in the game, twenty
eight to ten under center.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
Flea flicker.

Speaker 10 (01:11:58):
Let me explain, first of all, if you aren't aware
of what the flee flicker's meant to do. It's meant
to show a run. Have the safety and linebackers bite up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
It's the ultimate play action.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
It's the ultimate play action.

Speaker 10 (01:12:10):
Normally, when you run a flee flicker, you're doing so
because you're beating them in the run game. Like had
Brendan Soresby thrown a flee flicker on Saturday, I'm okay
because they have been dominating on the ground. The Bengals
had not run the ball under center, But are you
expecting them to run the ball when they're down eighteen.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
No.

Speaker 10 (01:12:33):
It's the worst timed flee flicker in the history of football.
And Orlando Brown Junior must have not have got the
memo that on a flee flicker you have to block
for more than one second, because he made the laziest
block he's made all year.

Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
Jake Browning gets annihilated. Orlando Brown Junior, though.

Speaker 10 (01:12:51):
Does get a plus because he was in great position
to recover the fumble, So that's good for Jake Browning.
It is a failure on so many levels. Why are
you calling a flee flicker when you haven't established a
run game, and why at that point in the game,
and why when your left tackle. Is I mean, we
had media today was asking Zach Taylor is Orlando Brown
junior compromised?

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Is he hurt?

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
And Zach has no idea what he's talking. He can't
block anyone right now.

Speaker 10 (01:13:16):
He throw on a tackle pool a couple times and
didn't explode through. He plays retreating and then you're gonna
ask him to block Adon Hutchinson on a flee flicker.
I don't know what they're doing and what they're calling.
It makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Zach Taylor is a very nice man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
With three minutes and five seconds to go, it was
thirty five to twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
In favor of Detroit. Had they recovered the on side kick,
they're winning.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
The odds of the Bengals winning that game were still
improblem They're winning because they need to score, whether it's
a touchdown and a two point conversion or the field goal,
then convert another on the head kick, and then I
get it. They Jake Browning played well in garbage time
in the fourth quarter. I am gonna call absolute bs

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on that. There is no way in hell that Zach
Taylor actually believed with three minutes to go, if we
just make this on side kick work, that we're going
to win the game.

Speaker 10 (01:14:18):
He said something along the line, We've had so many
games where things were bleak and and we just find
a way to pull through. If we'd have got that
on side, we were what that's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Not remotely true.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
What things were bleak against the Minnesota Vikings to the
tune of a forty eight to three deficit. Things were
so bleak against the Denver Broncos that it was twenty
eight to three and it felt like it was forty
eight to three.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
Didn't pull through.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
They haven't pulled through at all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
They barely pulled against Cleveland, against Cleveland because their field
goal kicker is no good. And they barely pulled through
against Jacksonville because Brian Thomas dropped a pass and because
the referee through a flag on that. Travis Hunter pi
ye Like. They haven't pulled through. They have melted down.
They have failed. So sorry, I I if we if

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we can find an alternate universe where it's thirty four,
thirty five to twenty four and the Bengals were covering
on side kick with three minutes to go, and I
can make a wager on whether or not the Bengals win.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
My money is on them not winning.

Speaker 10 (01:15:15):
If it's like a one score game, sure, Okay, the
math is different.

Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
You're down two scores.

Speaker 10 (01:15:21):
I swear, in all honesty, I was scared to share
it last night because I'm like, I've been got.

Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
By this before. Uh huh, this is AI. This isn't
an actual quote.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
I'm reading it. I mean it's there. I gotta be
honest with you. I didn't hear that part of the
press conference. Didn't really care much about what Zach Taylor
had to say. I thought we were going to win
the game when we were kicking the on side kick,
but they recovered it there at the.

Speaker 10 (01:15:47):
End, which is normal with those onsides. If the other
team recovers.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
On side kicks in the NFL have what a five
percent success rate. So if we can convert this thing
that works about five percent of the time, down by
eleven points and we have to convert the on side
kick again in order to get the ball back, if
we score.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
We're gonna win the game. Yep, I think I have
my poll question.

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Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
By the way.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
On side kick, So far this year in twenty twenty five,
nineteen have been attempted. One has been successfully recovered by
the kicking team, so about a five percent success rate.

Speaker 10 (01:17:24):
How many times in the history of the league do
you think that back to back onside kicks have ever
been right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I'm sure it's happened.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Yeah, I'm gonna guess maybe less than one percent, So do.

Speaker 6 (01:17:36):
Overdue.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
So I've asked, and I gotta like redo this because
I screwed it up when I threw it out there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Do you share that opinion? Do you share the opinion
that the Bengals would have won the football game.

Speaker 6 (01:18:01):
Just with.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
The ability to get that on sidekick? It's a different ballgame.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
I'm really I don't know if I'm happy that you've
brought this to my attention.

Speaker 10 (01:18:13):
Like I said, I've been fooled too many times with
fake like accounts on social media or AI stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
Now, which drives me nuts. That's a real thing like that.
That's I looked at it last night and I'm like,
that is not that real.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
The Bengals have have put have put that on their website.
Twitter is is not cooperating with.

Speaker 6 (01:18:31):
Poles, okay, but it was there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
But it's yeah, I'm seen now there it is.

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
I click this.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
I'm building a pole right now as we speak on Twitter. Yeah,
And you can vote as to whether or not you
share that opinion. We got like three minutes here in
the AFC North yesterday the Browns go to London and
lose with Dylan Gabriel playing quarterback to the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 10 (01:18:57):
I know they're not winning right now. Gabriel looked okay, Yeah,
Quinchawn Judkins looks good, Hannon at tight end looks good.
Their rookie class looks really good. It's not gonna happen
this year. I think if you were to ask me

(01:19:18):
which team has more pieces to build around next.

Speaker 6 (01:19:21):
Year, it might be Cleveland.

Speaker 10 (01:19:23):
I think I agree, like top end talent, the Bencans
have it right, but more pieces to say we absolutely
have to build around these guys.

Speaker 6 (01:19:30):
I think Cleveland has it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
What do we make of the Baltimore Ravens, who defensively
have been bad all year long.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Obviously didn't have Lamar Jackson. They at home.

Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
Get Johnson, no Humphrey.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
They get smoked by the Texans forty four to ten.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
C J.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Sprow just a few days saying he felt like he
was basically my age.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Yeah, looked like he did two years ago.

Speaker 10 (01:19:53):
I would be worried about them because of the defense.
I would have to see how well, Lamar plays, and
I mean back, I was fascinated today.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Mo.

Speaker 6 (01:20:02):
We talked about this over the break.

Speaker 10 (01:20:04):
Right now, Baltimore is still the odds on favorite in
the AFC North. They're minus one zh five. Pittsburgh is
plus one ten or one thirty Bengals and Browns over
plus one thousand. Obviously, people still believe in them. I
don't know who that defense is stopping right now, agreed,

(01:20:25):
I think it's Pittsburgh's division.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Well, they don't play Jake Browning for like a month
and a half.

Speaker 10 (01:20:30):
Okay, by then, they'll probably figure some stuff out and
Pittsburgh gets to play against Jake Browning maybe in two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Well, but here's the thing, Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
The next two games are home for Cleveland at Cincinnati.
So while the Ravens are trying to figure stuff out,
the Steelers are going to be their huge favorites at
home against Cleveland. They'll be big favorites here a week
from Thursday. Yep, so say which one about him? I'm
not sure how good they are. They haven't won a
game by more than seven points. Frankly, I think they
should have lost to New England. But they've They've got

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a chance to put some some room between.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
This separation everybody.

Speaker 10 (01:21:03):
Else, and it just makes we dealt with it over
the second half of the year. Last year because of
how poor the start was, it makes every game that
much more stressful because you start off so poorly. That's
now what the Baltimore Ravens have to contect with.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Many believe the Bengals need to hit the reset button.
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Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
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Speaker 6 (01:22:35):
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Correct?

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Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
We're back here next week, so join us the day
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Division Series games. You've got Phillies, Dodgers, Cubs, Brewers. You
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Speaker 10 (01:23:20):
I'm thinking about power hour. I'm thinking about maybe dessert.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
All right, very good, very good.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
You know we got like hot fud Sundays here last year,
so might do that again. Skillet, great bourbon selection, cold beer,
you name it, They've got it here at Twin Peaks
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exit off I seventy five. On an NFL Sunday where
we had five teams come back from down ten points Tennessee,

(01:23:45):
the Panthers Denver overcomes a fourteen point deficit to give
Philadelphia it's first loss. New Orleans overcomes an eleven point
deficit Washington to ten point deficit. The Bengals could not.
They fall to the Detroit Lions yesterday thirty seven to
twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Let me do this.

Speaker 10 (01:24:01):
You know what you mentioned that yesterday One of the
things that make what going on with the Bengals so
much more frustrating. I just don't feel like there's an
unbeatable AFC team Like I watched last night and I'm
like Buffalo, okay, right, Kansas City, Baltimore is a mess,
like every AFC team that I thought going into the year,

(01:24:21):
like there are teams in the NFC, I'd be like,
I don't want to play that team.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
I still think Buffalo's really good. Yeah, I think that
the Patriots are ascending. Baltimore looks like a mess right now.

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
You want to just get ahead of bad matchup Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Patriots, bad matchup. Yeah that they played them later this season.
You're right, the AFC is wide open, the AFC, Like
It's why so many of us clung to the idea
that this team could still make the playoffs with Jake
Browning in part you thought he was gonna play better. Yeah,
but also you looked at the AFC, especially like the
potential wildcard team.

Speaker 10 (01:24:53):
Like Denver right thought the Chargers maybe in the last
two weeks, stored about them.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:59):
It's just.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
It's so open, right, it makes it even more frustrating.
Let's talk about coaching for a second. So we talked
about this a little bit before, specifically with Kyle Shanahan.
Where they go on the road on a short week
fairs hight football at LA good team. Mac Jones is
playing quarterback. They have a ton of guys hurt and

(01:25:22):
they piece together a game plan. They looked prepared, they execute,
they win on the road. I see what Shane Stikeen
is doing with Daniel Jones helps to have Jonathan Taylor
to I'll admit that Daniel Jones, though, I see what
Kevin O'Connell continues to do. A guy you think is
the best coach in football, and it helps that he
has a great defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
I see these coaches who figure it out, like, it's
not so much blame Zach Taylor for losing. It's not
so much hold him accountable for, you know, winning or
losing football games. What I've watched over the last three
weeks is a coach who can't figure it out, who can't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Take what he has at his disposal and piece together
something that gives his team a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Yeah, I see it around the league.

Speaker 10 (01:26:08):
Well, we were told Detroit they're gonna struggle, they lost
Ben Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Uh huh.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
We were told right, well, Tampa they're fun, but Liam Cohen's.

Speaker 10 (01:26:16):
Gone, Uh huh, they're fun, they're well run, Their pieces
match like it is.

Speaker 6 (01:26:23):
It's everywhere you watch.

Speaker 10 (01:26:25):
Every game you watch, there are teams where you're like, man,
how are they doing that because here it's foreign, feels
foreign here. If you don't have everything land just how
it has to be, and you're healthy, and the opponent's
got a match to what you can do, and that
you hope the opponent doesn't take stuff away. It's just
so many things have to fall in or borrows. Just
got to be elite. That's the only way they win.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
I said this to you yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Red flag went up after Week one for me, Oh yeah,
they played the Browns, they won the game, fine, But
I watched a team that offen Lea that day looked
at the Cleveland Browns and said, Okay, you don't want
us to throw it to Jamar and t Yep, that's cool,
no problem. I watched the Vikings yesterday morning. You and
I were at the Holy Rail and I watched the

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Minnesota Vikings yesterday and in a good competitive game, the
Vikings didn't say, oh, you don't want us to throw
to Justin Jefferson, that's cool. No. They threw it to
him seven times, including a couple of times on the
drive where they win the game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
He had one hundred and twenty three yards. So they
won the game.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
And it was Week one, so you're just happy that
they won, and it's Burrow, and nobody wants to criticize
Joe Burrow. But I walked away from that game hearing
about how bad of a matchup it was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Going.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
All right, I'll admit Cleveland's corners are good, But aren't
you supposed to have the best group of skilled guys
in the league. Aren't you supposed to have the best
quarterback in the league? And yet you said that day,
if the Browns don't want us to throw the ball
outside the numbers, we won't. That is, to me, the
antithesis of what really good, really well coached teams do,

(01:28:00):
really well coached teams go. You got good corners, watch
what we have. There was none of that that was
with Joe Burrow. So if that's the case with Joe Burrow,
why wouldn't it be the case with the quarterback who's
nowhere near as good.

Speaker 10 (01:28:14):
Yeah, it to me is the reason I think this
gets far worse before it gets any better. Like, how
how do you navigate a path?

Speaker 6 (01:28:25):
Now?

Speaker 10 (01:28:25):
Again, say which one about matchups? How do you go
into a green Bay and win?

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
I have no idea fourteen and a half point.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Dogs, how do you win at home and gains the Pittsburgh.

Speaker 10 (01:28:34):
I have no idea I'm gonna stop DK Metcalf and
Aaron Rodgers. The longer they play, the better they're gonna
get together. Every team's gonna present some issues. Yes, you know,
by the time the Jets come around with Aaron Glenn,
you're starting to have his inpunt on this team. They're
starting to play tough, tough fall like you can make
that case against ninety percent of the teams you play against.

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And in those games where you might not have the
better skill players, you have to have better scheme in coaching.
And if you don't have the better scheme in coaching,
you have to have the better roster. They don't have
either right now. Because of the way the roster has
been constructed. They're going to go into most games now,
especially without Burrow, with the worst roster, and most games

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we're gonna look back and say, this feels like a
coaching mismatch, not in the bengals favor. So how do
you win those games?

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Like did on Thursday night?

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Did the San Francisco forty nine ers bring a better
roster than the Rams to La? No?

Speaker 6 (01:29:34):
But what they have like coaching advanced.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Johnson is a better quarterback than Jake Brown, and he
was actually drafted and at one point he was gonna
be the successor to Tom Brady. Like, I get that,
but like I watched, I texted, I texted you on
Thursday and night go on, like I'm watching the forty
nine ers figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
They might not win the game.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
LA ended up making it a game where I thought
we were gonna have another primetime tie. But I saw
a team, I saw a coach that said, all right,
here's what I have. Okay, I'll figure it out if
we did, And it.

Speaker 10 (01:30:02):
Was and that was just not a quarterback Kittle right, ayyukright, Jennings, Pearsol,
every weapon they had, and they went into the game.

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
You would know it.

Speaker 10 (01:30:13):
I would know it. Take a poll of one hundred people,
they would all know it. Hey, how how does San
Francisco have a chance tonight? Everyone would say Christian McCaffrey.
And yet they still found ways to have Christian McCaffrey
make an impact in the game. Right, So if you
can do that against the Rams or another good coach,
how can we not figure that out here with Jamar
Chase and T Higgins.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
So like, all right, the roster isn't good. That's well established.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
I cannot help but think, though, especially from an offensive perspective,
that there are coaches who would go, you know what,
I'd rather have Joe Burrow, But give me Jake Browning
and give me Chasing Higgins and give me Chase brown
I will figure out a way to piece something together
that gives this team a chance to win in the
fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Yeah, maybe we don't.

Speaker 10 (01:30:57):
Right, You could probably name fifteen offensive coaches right now
that would that you would feel good about doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Better than what they currently have. That to me is
when a coach proves its value, and what the value
and I got.

Speaker 10 (01:31:11):
We could go Zach's record without Joe as the starting quarterback.
You could, You could dive into any number in any
graphic you want. None of them are good. And what
if we've been doing now for years waiting? You know, uh,
personnel doesn't really match the scheme, and well, you know,
you got to kind of give him a break here
because Burrow's hurt, you know, you can't really judge off that,

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and Jamar's missed time, well, they haven't had time in
training camp. Jamar missed all a training camp. It's always
an excuse. It's never just like man hand up just
not good enough. It's always a bad matchup or well
we figured it out laid or we got It's always
an excuse with them.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
And I again, like it's one example, but it's with Shanahan.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
On Thursday. I didn't team making excuses.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
I saw a coach that said, all right, I'll embrace
the challenge of putting together something.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
And again, like they weren't awesome. It's not like they
scored fifty points.

Speaker 10 (01:32:10):
Yeah, but it would have been winning record. Hey, we're shorthanded,
let's play hard. If it doesn't happen there, the intensity
on the sidelines, uh huh, the way in which every
time they fly, he's locked into what it's just I
go back to the to the the feel and the offense,
and we talked about Detroit and how everything sets something

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else up.

Speaker 6 (01:32:35):
And then we go to the flea flicker. Again. They
did not run.

Speaker 10 (01:32:38):
No, they didn't run one thing throughout two and a
half three quarters that would have set up a flea flicker.
It's just let's grab this from here. And oh oh,
I just came across that. Let's try that one. It's
not I'm gonna run this so that I'm gonna come
back later and hit him with this right or you
know what, We're only getting two point eight yards per

(01:32:59):
carry right now, but I'm gonna keep giving them opportunities
because in the fourth quarter that's gonna cash them. Nothing
like that. Nothing builds off anything else here. It's maddening.

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Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Know what a bad weekend?

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
James Franklin, Mark Sanchez, Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:39):
Tough one mean.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
You you get stabbed and I'm glad he's okay. Yeah,
he's now been charged with a felony because he allegedly
decided to get into it with some food delivery driver
who there's videos of him like stumbling around as they say,
mess around and find out I think Mark did. He's
now being sued by the guy. My guess is he's

(01:35:01):
gonna lose his gig with Fox. It's tough weekend for
the sanchis.

Speaker 10 (01:35:05):
What a and what a strange news release that it was,
because like the initial report comes out and it's just
this outpouring of love and support and can't find a
better guy.

Speaker 6 (01:35:20):
Yeah, what's going on in the streets of Indie.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
I think he's a good analyst. Yeah, he's good.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
So hey.

Speaker 10 (01:35:26):
And again, like at the at the core of it,
he was stabbed and you want to make sure he's okay.
But for that to turn in all of a sudden
to well, hold tight as we're looking into this, is
that Mark is the one culpable and then to that
become well, we're arresting him.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
And now charging him with a felony. Originally three mister meetings,
now a felony.

Speaker 6 (01:35:48):
What a bad, bad weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
And I read it in the New York Post that
he was originally uncooperative and then when he got to
the hospital and they were like, well, what do you
remember about the incident, he is like nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Yeah, ageah man.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
I the the the social media images of the guy
that he was involved in a confrontation with our brutal
and so I'm certainly willing to withhold judgment until we
find out what happened. But I know it's being alleged,
and I know what everybody originally thought. And uh that
that story I said to you yesterday, and we didn't

(01:36:24):
know as much as we do.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Now, I'm one of the more bizarre things I've ever seen.

Speaker 6 (01:36:27):
Insane, insane.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
But James, James, is there anything I think I said
this last week? Is there anything that unites the internet
better than when James Franklin loses a game?

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
For whatever reason, people love it. I think it's how
he acts.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
I put on social media.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
I put on social media that exact sentiment that I
just repeated to you on Saturday night. And I got
a text from somebody who has prefer professionally cross paths
with James Franklin who just wrote, deserved.

Speaker 10 (01:37:05):
Yep, the word it's easily got the worst loss of
the year, twenty four and a half point favorite lose
outright to an zero to four team that got boat
raced by New Mexico.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
That it's already fired its coach. Yeah, yeah, that was bad,
tough one for PSU. Bengals don't have a good roster,
so it's time to hit the reset button.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Here's my question for you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Joe Burrow comes back next year, right, can you win
a Super Bowl in the next two years with Joe
Burrow's quarterback? If you decide to use this season as
a reason to start from scratch.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
With the rest of the roster.

Speaker 10 (01:37:45):
Who's making the decisions. My guess is it's going to
be same guy that's been in place. Yeah then how then,
how how can I say yes? I mean, I asked
you in quick hits with Austin today, outside of Joe
Burrow and Jamar Chase tell me his draft hits.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
In recent years, there haven't been that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Like Austin went back to Geno Atkins or you went
back to like Jesse Bates, Yeah, Bama Hill. But then
they drafted Jesse Tyler and they didn't retain him. They
let Like it's not just the drafts, it's been the decisions.

Speaker 10 (01:38:19):
They let Andrew Wit with walk Yeah, first round pick
on John Ross, Miles Murphy is now playing thirteen probably
Cedgia go boy.

Speaker 6 (01:38:27):
He The list goes on and on.

Speaker 10 (01:38:29):
So you can tell me that you want to hit
the reset button and you're gonna build around this cores
And we've talked about the cores and the lack thereof.
But at the end of that, MO, are you trusting
those tasked with rebuilding?

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
So that's the thing, Like we're we're in the Burrows
super Bowl window. Now he's under contract for the rest
of the decade. So you have four more years. Okay,
Joe is gonna turn thirty during next season. This year
is a wash. You didn't win last year, so all right,
hit the reset button. Hit the reset button to me
means you're basically starting from scratch, which I think you

(01:39:04):
can very fairly argue they should because the roster is
so bad. But if you're gonna hit the reset button
and you're gonna rebuild, rebuilds.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Do take time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Now. They don't have to take as long as they
may in baseball, they don't have to take nearly as
long as long as you have an a lister or
at quarterback. But can you rebuild starting right now and
put this team in the Super Bowl over the next
two seasons?

Speaker 10 (01:39:28):
You can't answer that confidently if Zach and Duker in
their spot.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Okay, so we all said coming into this season, the
next three years are huge, Like, if they're going to
win one, it's the next three years. Ain't gonna win
one this year, So all right, now we take two
years to get the rebuild done. Now we're talking twenty
twenty eight, when Joe turns thirty two. Yeah, I just
don't again, I don't know how you can build that

(01:39:55):
successfully as currently constructed from a coach and general manager.
If you're Joe Burrow, now you're told, hey, get healthy
when you're back, we're gonna go through a rebuild.

Speaker 6 (01:40:08):
Yeah, that's that's not easy to ask him either, Do
you want any part of that?

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:40:12):
Again, Like and.

Speaker 10 (01:40:13):
If I'm Joe, I'm saying the same thing, what have
we been doing? Like if if if Joe's numbers were
what they were last year and Jamar's numbers and Trace
Hendon numbers were.

Speaker 6 (01:40:24):
What they were, what was last year? Then?

Speaker 10 (01:40:26):
Was that not rebuilding? Was firing Luanna Rumo and another
offensive line coach and bringing in a new D line
and no line coach and bringing in a new decordinator?
And was was that not trying to rebuild? What was
wrong last year with this team? And that great is
a big f This roster stinks, they have a few

(01:40:46):
pieces to build around. What would what would signify to
me that anything would be different? Like and and then
it goes back to Okay, you move on. Let's let's
say you move on from Zach. Are you trusting are
you trusting the process? Who you bringing in? How much
are you relying on Joe then to say, Hey, Joe,
what do you think of this guy? What do you

(01:41:08):
think of this guy?

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
I guess for me, Like somebody asked me yesterday, what
is it like if you're Joe Burrow watching this? And
my answer was, you understand this is gonna take some
heavy lifting and I'm not sure I want to be
here for it.

Speaker 6 (01:41:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
He's under contract, right, you know the blasts.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
But like we we run everything through this filter, right,
what does Joe want? What does Joe think? We've done
it with the roster. We've done it with t Higgins,
we did it with Trey Hendrickson. Run this through Joel
Joe Burrow's filter. Hey Joe, it didn't work this year.
Our offensive line ended your season again for all intents
and purposes. Maybe he comes back, but this year has

(01:41:47):
exposed us so bad that we now know we've got
to hit the reset button. And so we're gonna have
to maybe go young in a lot of different spots.
We have to rebuild the roster. Rebuilds do take a
little time. And again I'm not talking about five years.
If you're Joe Burrow, like the clock on your prime
is ticking, You're watching Patrick Mahomes in a down year
last year still played in a Super Bowl. Josh Allen's

(01:42:10):
a terrific player with a team who has a chance
to win the whole thing. Lamar Jackson went healthy is
a terrific player who at least plays in an organization
that has a track record of building really good rosters.
Jalen Hurts has already won one. The Eagles have offensive
issues right now, but you certainly wouldn't rule him out.
And I'm now I'm stuck another rebuild. Like that's what

(01:42:33):
I worry about. How many more years are you gonna,
you know, not capitalize on having Joe and then how
many years will accumulate before Joe goes? Dude, I know
I can walk at the end of the twenty twenty
nine season, but I don't want to wait, because we're
wasting my prime.

Speaker 10 (01:42:49):
And think, just think how quickly at tumbles like Burrow
gets hurt against Jacksonville browning those picks, but somehow delivers
a win and they're two and zero, and we're having
the conversation of Minnesota's okay, they're not great, Denver's okay,
they're not great. Can you find a way to count

(01:43:09):
the winds they need and Joe can maybe come back
and you can still make a run on it this year.
To just three weeks later and we're talking about a
complete rebuild. That's how quick this has falling apart.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
And by the way, rebuilding might be the way to go.
I'm not saying it shight be.

Speaker 10 (01:43:23):
But that's how quick this has falling apart. It's that's
how bad the last three weeks. It's not just the
fact that they've lost three in a row, it's the
nature in which they've lost. Yeah, non competitive, right, not
even a chance to feel a good roster right, three weeks,
three weeks have went by, and not only this season
feels like it's crumbling, the whole foundation.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Yes, the foundation of the franchise is Joe is gonna
elevate everybody. Yep, it's shaky at best. Last year proved
as much last year approved. The foundation is shaky because again,
he was awesome. You were four an eight at one
point as awesome as he was. You didn't make the postseason.

Speaker 10 (01:44:03):
And you were four and eight, and you knew you
had deficiencies and you didn't address them in the off
season when you had money, dispatch.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
And So you know, my favorite thing to say is
that I get patted on.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
The head and told oh mo this off season whenever
I tried to raise my hand and go eli, we're sure,
we're sure they're doing enough on the offensive line, because
in August they were still working guys out and signing guys. Okay,
are we sure? We're sure we don't need another guy
in the secondary. We're good here. We're sure that they

(01:44:35):
have addressed their issues stopping the run. We're sure about that.
And I got patted on the head time and again
because you could always play the borrowcard. We got Joe.
We're gonna be fine. Defense needs to be league average.
Offensive line needs to be league average. Coaching needs to
be league average. Take Joe away. Ugh, but like last
year should have told you this isn't good enough. Joe

(01:44:58):
wasn't merely good last season. Joe was awesome. Yeah, for
my money, he was the best quarterback in the sport
last year, and with it never being easier to make
the postseason, you couldn't. So the issues start last year.
Take away, Joe put in a replacement level quarterback and
it stinks. Then you take the quarterback play and make

(01:45:18):
it what it's been, You have no chance of competing.

Speaker 10 (01:45:21):
And then they've taken stuff in the off season we
talked about in training camp, we talked about and they're
all non existent. We spent half our training camp coverage
talking about how good Jermaine Burton looked.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
It hasn't played us now can't get active.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Yeah, spent a lot of training camp talking about man
TODs Brooks looked like he could be a steal. How
many carries is TODs Brooks getting pe Ryan and Chase
Brown essentially split?

Speaker 6 (01:45:40):
Snay?

Speaker 10 (01:45:41):
How much time do we talk in the in the
training camp coverage of man T Higgins in the slot,
to Higgins in motions, to Higgins the field, Tagans in.

Speaker 6 (01:45:50):
The boundary, Jamar moving around?

Speaker 10 (01:45:51):
How much do we talk all about that in the
off season in training camp and now you watch a
game and you don't see any of it, none of it.
We talked about the secondary playing with confidence flying around,
they don't.

Speaker 6 (01:46:04):
They don't.

Speaker 10 (01:46:06):
So every positive that we thought could help this team
is now non existent. And you would think when the
roster needs help because Burrow's not there, wouldn't you think
you rely on that?

Speaker 13 (01:46:18):
All?

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:46:19):
Now, I got a scheme Let's let you know what,
let's try t in the slot. Let's try him in motion.
You know, they ran a they ran a motion with
Jamar Chase, who went you know, behind the quarterback yesterday
on a run pass option and they kept seven guys
in the box and Jake Browning handed the ball off

(01:46:39):
then do it to Jamar Chase with twelve yard separation.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
So like.

Speaker 10 (01:46:45):
Every storyline that I thought we could lean to with
this team is now an afterthought. Like we don't even
talk about Jermaine Burton and the camp he had because
he's not even active.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
Charlie Jones was questionable all week. I just m mckilly jackson.
Does he ever play.

Speaker 6 (01:47:03):
The speed in which this fell?

Speaker 10 (01:47:07):
Apart Dalton Reisner great pass blocker one snap he played yesterday,
I guess just it's remarkable how half of it and
we just don't talk about anymore and half doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
But but can I ask about Dalton Reisner that one snap?
What did Pro Football Focus great hit for that snap?
Was it really good? Because I heard this a lot
in PFF loves him.

Speaker 6 (01:47:30):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
Okay, well, no other NFL team does because he's unsigned.
By the way, something you mentioned off air the special
teams play.

Speaker 6 (01:47:39):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Does Ryan Rico know like you're allowed to kick the
ball to a point, give your guy a chance where
dudes can come down and down it and give your
team better field position?

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Does he is he?

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
Does he think this is like run pass or kick
or see how far we can punt the ball?

Speaker 10 (01:47:55):
Leave that role, just that bounce into the end zone.
It's just on every level right now, it's a failure.

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Taylor says he's not given up play calling duties. Also says, quote,
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to play quarterback on Sunday Bengals and Packers, said he'd
like to know by Wednesday. I'd like to know right now.
I'd like to know it's anybody, but Jake Brown. Yeah,
would you take literally any living human being?

Speaker 10 (01:49:36):
Probably at this point. There was a point in the
second quarter I almost drove down. I would have liked
that yesterday, so real quick. The last segment, we talked
about rebuilding and there are cases where teams in a
year turn it around.

Speaker 6 (01:49:51):
When you normally do that, you get the quarterback. That's
what turns it around.

Speaker 10 (01:49:54):
Yeah, what the problem is the Bengals have the quarterback,
can they successfully build around the quarterback when they haven't
been able to do since he's been here.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
So the Bengals did this quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
They did it from twenty nineteen when they won two
games to twenty twenty one when they went to the
Super Bowl, right because they could throw a lot of
money at their defense. Yep, like roster building, you can't.
Roster building is different now, So I've made this point before. Look,
Duke Tobin built two teams that played in AFC Championship games.

(01:50:26):
You could build the roster by just throwing money at
problems when Burrow and Chase and Higgins are on rookie deals.
So you could throw a lot of money at Trey
Hendrickson and you could throw and they got it right
with Trey, the greatest free agent signing in the history
of the franchise. You could throw money at Chadobi a Wooziah.
You could overpay, which everybody said they did. You could
overpay DJ Reader like you could throw money at the problem.

(01:50:47):
Bengals obviously have money to spend, but they can't just
throw a bunch of money at the problem now to
rebuild the way they did when they built the Super
Bowl team.

Speaker 10 (01:50:56):
But the teams that have done it consistently Josh Allen
and the what do we talk about in the same breath,
the way they've built the roster around Josh Allen and
the decisions they've made in the coaching Joe Brady, right,
Sean mcgurnmott, what are we talking about with Kansas City?
All the time? Talk about the players, but what do
you end up with? Andy Reid? So, if you're consistent,
you got the coaching to match it. If not, then

(01:51:18):
you have the coaching advantages. Liam Cohen gives his team
an advantage offensively, He gives his team an advantage what
they're doing in New England and they bring back with
Josh McDaniel, terrible head coach, not that guy, but a
good coordinator gives his team an advantage. You mentioned Shane
Steichen and what he's doing with Daniel Jones with the Chargers.

(01:51:40):
You talk about Harball with the Denver Broncos. You talk
about Sean Payton in the same light. Washington, You talk
about what Kingsbury has been able to do with with
Jaydon Daniels like, there are constants to the success stories,
Jordan Love.

Speaker 6 (01:51:53):
But you go back to what Mott lafloor.

Speaker 10 (01:51:56):
You any successful team, you also talk about how it
pairs with the style and with the coaching. With the Bengals,
does anyone ever say they got Joe Burrow and they
got Zach Taylor leading them? No, no, no, it is
always what, well, they got Joe Burrow so they can
do something, but it's never paired with Man Andy Reid

(01:52:17):
and Patrick Mahomes. No one talks about that with the
Cincinnati Bengals. So Man Buffalo has really built their roster
and changed who they are around Josh Allen Baltimore around
Lamar Jackson has built that roster around him. Do we
talk about that with the Bengals? Do we talk about Man,

(01:52:38):
Duke Tobin and Joe Burrow. No, you don't put those
two hand in hand like you do with other franchises.
It's been a miss and now you get to the
point you're at where, well, if it's not Joe Burrow,
who's gonna help us this year?

Speaker 6 (01:52:52):
Scheme? Coach, personnel? No, no, no, that's the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Bengals and Packers.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
Sunday four, twenty five on ESPN fifteen thirty Monday Night
Football Tonight, Chiefs and Jags.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
Kansas City is getting three and a half.

Speaker 10 (01:53:07):
You know, I hate to say it, but I trust
Kansas City. I just trust them getting points they're laying
or laying. Yeah, I seeing what they did last week,
it felt like they figured something out offensively. As the
season goes on, they're gonna get healthier and healthier. I
think Xavier Worthy is questionable. Tonight they're gonna get Richie

(01:53:29):
Rice back. I just I trust more Kansas City. I
think Liam Cohen's done a good job.

Speaker 6 (01:53:38):
He will.

Speaker 10 (01:53:38):
I just don't trust Trevor Lawrence to that extent, not yet,
not yet, But you want to change that narrative? Sure,
beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
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You see football The Bearcats twenty sixth ap Top twenty
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(01:54:07):
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The Mark Stoop Show, which should be fun, is tonight
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Speaker 6 (01:54:30):
Tonight, good good time of the year.

Speaker 10 (01:54:33):
It is lot going on Monday night football, flip over
to baseball. You can go dual screen at times.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
We'll have all four major sports in action in October,
and we have college basketball exhibition games against programs we've
heard of. Yeah, I love this month. Yeah, it's more
fun when your NFL team's good, but I love this month.

Speaker 10 (01:54:51):
Yeah, this is this show for the first time since
its inception. We'll have to take on a different form
once college basketball starts. Question, I mean, we've, without question,
there's been years where, you know, down the stretch, we've
limped in. We haven't really had to spend fifteen weeks
limping in many times. Been a while to today today

(01:55:12):
already feels like it's like the week sixteen. Yeah it does,
or one of those like winter shows. Yeah, yees you,
or walk out here, it's gonna be eighty degrees still sunshine, yeap.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
Out, still sunlight. At least we had a lot of
teams come back from big deficits. I'm not sure there
was a comeback that was more striking than the one
that the Arizona Cardinals allowed. They lose to the Tennessee
Titans twenty two to twenty one. This was a game
where they appear to salted away with a seventy six

(01:55:42):
yard touchdown run by Amari Demarcado, who's a running back.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
But as we have often.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
Seen in recent years, I don't get it, he decides
to drop the ball before crossing the goal line.

Speaker 6 (01:55:54):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Key?

Speaker 10 (01:55:54):
Pat, don't get it, especially in the fact Mo that
it happened so many times.

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
Yeah, how do you even come close to messing with it?

Speaker 10 (01:56:05):
It's maddening. Yes, Arizona, think of how they lost, Yes, Shad,
they lost on that. And then there was another play
where they intercept cam Ward. Yeah, guy that intercepts the ball,
drops it. Two guys go to land on it, it
squirts out into the end zone and Tyler Lockett recovers
it right, like you want to talk about a bad Monday,
weird kind.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Of flukey thing.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
Why do we keep having this where dudes are scoring,
they're going in and they decide to drop the ball.

Speaker 6 (01:56:29):
It's insane?

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
All right, Well with that we gotta go.

Speaker 10 (01:56:34):
What a fun, fun show. Tough matchup ahead this week,
oh as always would have. Season of tough matchups. Tony
short week. Tony is back for since he three to
sixty tomorrow at noon.

Speaker 3 (01:56:45):
I am at a different location tomorrow at three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
And he guessed Paul Danner Jr.

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
That's it, Sean sayad stats and scheme and we might
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