11/24/25 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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a great place, and watch what I think is a
pretty interesting Monday night football game Carolina and San Francisco.

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You could watch the bear Cats tonight as they take
on the New Jersey Institute of Technology. You could watch
that game here you could post up for the night
before Thanksgiving and pretend you're hanging out with people you
went to high school with. You could watch Black Friday football.
You could watch the Saturday Slate. You could watch UK Louisville,

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Ohio State, Michigan, or the game of the weekend, Cincinnati
versus TCU. You can watch all the good teams play
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this young lady it says she's from Heaven. Wow, And
I believe it.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I feel like it's interesting that she's here because this
weekend was hell.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
That's why we look to the Bearcats tonight against the
New Jersey Institute of Technology to right the wrongs of
this weekend. And we have to clarify because I had
people big mad on social media when I said it.
As well, it is highlighted that Xavier did win yesterday.
That game was in Cincinnati is what we are discussing,

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and it was miserable this weekend in Cincinnati. The misery
started on Friday night. Outside of the cool high school
football game we'll see.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
But even now, when I was rooting.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
For Elder, well then misery.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Elder invites me to their stag, saying x Nope. So
I rooted for Elder.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Wether blew lead the other bad weekends me the Bearcats
on Friday night, bad, the Bearcats on Saturday Night, worse
decision making from Zach Taylor, especially on fourth down atrocious.
And FC Cincinnati decided not to show up at TQL
Stadium last night, which was odd because if you asked
a lot of people going into Friday, which game were

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you most confident, and many people would have said FC Cincinnati.
The fact of the matter is it's one of the worst.
My brother texted me last night and he said, I
just can't shake it. I'm miserable. He said, was this
the worst sports weekend locally ever? And I don't know

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if I can argue that it wasn't. There's been There's
been worse moments, yeah, but I don't know collectively if
it's ever been that bad. And the way in which
it happened, yeah, might be worse.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
The Bengals game was competitive, The UC game was the
basketball game was pseudo competitive. Frankly, I don't think UC
versus b YU was competitive. And I know this is
a football show. I texted a friend of mine who
knows who's a like FC Cincinnati is his favorite team.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, football.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
FC Cincinnati to him is like UC basketball and you
and I and I go, hey, man, I hate to
do this, but does it look like FC Cincinnati's players
are happy to just watch MESSI and he goes, Yes, maddening, maddening,
a frustrating weekend all round, but we're gonna have fun
with it. Let's talk about the Bengals game twenty six
to twenty. The big headline in the game for you.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Was what well, one of the headlines started before the game,
and that was Jermaine Burton being inactive, which clearly signifies
the end of Jermaine Burton in Cincinnati if you're not
going to be active when Jamar Chase isn't, and it
I thought it came back to hurt him at the
end when t Higgins was out, they didn't have anyone
that could get open in the last part of that game.
So yeah, it made a nice catch, but it started

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with that, and then I watched a team that I thought,
especially on the defensive side of the ball, battled and fought.
I watched Al Golden maybe, okay, I watched him. It
feel like empty out the playbook a little bit more
than what we've seen in the past. I think that's

(04:52):
a good thing. I thought for the most part, the
O line in the run game was good. Jace Brown
had another productive day over five yard to carry, went
over the century mark. But to me, the game comes
down to something that I feel like I've talked about
so much over the last six seven years now, and

(05:16):
it's just the complete lack of aggressiveness that I witnessed
from Zach Taylor in a game in which his team
was three and seven going into it without Joe Burrow,
without Jamar Chase, without Trey Hendrickson. The story for me
was a head coach of the football team whose team
was playing hard, not being aggressive enough in his pursuit

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of trying to win a football game.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Multiple instances of it, starting in the first quarter. They
don't go forward on fourth and three from the New
England thirty five, they kick a field goal. Kevin McPherson
had a good game, a great game, but they settle
for three. Dude, you're three and seven, you have a
back defense. You're playing a team that hasn't lost on
the road, that came in having won eight consecutive games.

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Third quarter, fourth and four. They punt from their own
thirty seven yard line. Didn't hate it as much. Didn't
like it, but the coupdi gras, so to speak. First
possession of the fourth quarter, fourth and one from their
own forty five. They pass on third and one. Chase

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Brown's having a good game. They don't even run a
play on fourth and one. They do the let's come
to the line of scrimmage and try to draw them
off sides, which I will acknowledge works on occasion. Usually
it does not. What happens more frequently in the NFL
a team runs a play and gains yardage, or a

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team draws the other team.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Off sides running to play.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
The answer is running the play and they take a delay.
A game. That is cowardly. Yep, that is absolutely cowardly,
and like you're right, like say all the things you
want to say about this team, the composition of the ross.
Sure they did play hard yesterday. Joe Flacca was battling
through multiple injuries. You've got a team that's playing shorthanded

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because they don't have Trey, they don't have Jamar Chase,
they don't have Joe Burrow. They have put themselves position
to win. Fourth quarter, the game is in doubt. They're
at midfield at the forty five. If they run a
play and get stuffed, I can live with it. Sure,
they could literally do anything. They could try A pass
wouldn't be my go to literally do anything, and I'm

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good with it to do the whole stupid try to
draw them off sides and take it delay a game.
It's one of the most cowardly things I've seen Zach Taylor.
It might be the most cowardly thing I've seen Zach
Taylor do.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Punk goes into the end zone. Yes, so you waste
that as well.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
What's more many to me is I'm watching it in
real time. Third and one, they throw it. I'm like, okay,
now you go into your back pocket for your best
fourth down play and you pick up the first down
because I get it, Like, maybe on third down you
think that New England thinking what here comes a run?
You catch him in a compromising situation on defense, and
then you get a big play. Once you don't get

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the third down one thousand percent of the time, you're
going forward on fourth down. Yes, the fact that they didn't,
I agree, is one of the most cowardly action coaching
that I can remember witnessing. Oh, by the way they
ran it yesterday for over five yards of carry. Chase
Brown every time he got a ball on a handoff

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average five point six yards per carry, didn't touch it
on third down, didn't get a chance to on fourth
down because you punted the ball. That to me is
completely backwards. It goes against everything again that a three
and seven football team should be shielded against three and seven?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
What are you?

Speaker 4 (08:49):
You're hoping for overtime, playing for a tough, close loss
that you can build off of. All I hear about
it's winning. It's about winning finding wins. You know how
you find wins? You go for it on fourth down.
More you run the ball on third down and pick
up a first down. You can't convince me true serum,

(09:10):
given that Joe Flacco is not compromised, of course he is.
How many times did he drop back and throw yesterday
thirty seven? How many ball and how many times did
Chase Brown get the ball nineteen carries on a day
where your quarterback was compromised clearly, and yeah for the
most part, one score game all day. Yeah, you handed

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it to Chase Brown nineteen times and you let Joe
Flacco drop back and throw at thirty seven. That to me,
it's again I use the word malpractice a ton, cowardly, malpractice,
whatever you want to say about it. That pun on
fourth down was that. It's coaching scared. Yep, coaching did
not lose.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
It's if I'm one of those offensive linemen, if I'm
Chase Brown, if I'm Joe Flacco, Hell, if I'm anybody
on that defense, I am furious at my coach right there. Yeah,
you're in the fourth quarter. Possessions are limited. You're basically midfield.
It's not fourth and four, not fourth and two, it's

(10:14):
fourth and one. There is no reason to do anything
except line up and call a play. Like again, I
understand it. It's a tactic that has been employed for decades.
Teams come to the line of scrimmage, they do the
hard count. Doesn't work on occasion, Yes, yeah, it does.
Line up and run a play. I think you have

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more of a chance of getting the first down running
a play. The average NFL play gains yardage. Run a
play instead of but are we come to the line
of scrimmage, try to draw them off sides. It's the
coward's way of getting the first down.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Worst case scenario, they snap it ted, Carris gets beat,
no game, they get the ball back. My fine, we're
not sitting here today right starting to show that. Right,
we're saying they were aggressive, Yes, didn't happen, and you're
still end up losing the game.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I can live with as a fan. I can live
with the shortcomings that come with being aggressive. I can
live with the Reds having guys who force the issue
and go first to third. Occasionally they're gonna makeouts.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I can live with a team that says, you know what,
we're gonna steal bases. I can live with a basketball
team that decides, you know what, we're gonna play aggressive
defense and put a lot of pressure on the ball.
Sometimes you're gonna get beat. Sometimes you're gonna bring a
double team and the dude you leave is gonna get
an open shot. I can live with that. I can
live with screw it. We're going with our best. We're
gonna run a play here, We're gonna give it to

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Chase Brown and if it doesn't work, okay, short field
for the Patriots. I can live with that. I cannot
handle the cowardly way of doing things. And that's what
that was yesterday, yes again.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
And the maddening part about it, outside of your running
the ball successfully all day and your quarterback is compromised,
is your three and seven? Isn't that the time to
unload the gun like Kitchens, just go throw everything out there,
fourth and four on your thirty side, I don't care.
Go for it right early in the game instead of

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taking three, Go for it. What are you holding out for?
So we can do the thing that I know Austin
did it on social media. So we can go to
the playoff predictor today and find a path at three
and eight that you can still get in.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
No, I guess what I want to know. We're in seven, Zach,
what are you afraid of? Are you afraid of the
postgame questions? Or are you afraid of your job being?
You know, being in jeopardy?

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Right?

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Like, what is it in that moment that you are
scared of?

Speaker 4 (12:46):
You scared of calling to play? I don't know, right, like,
are you scared of having to with the microscope on
you on fourth down? Are you scared of having to
call play?

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Are you scared that you're gonna have to go into
the press conference after the game and ask about that decision?
Which he was asked about it today. His answer, whatever
it came at when didn't didn't move the meter? What
are you scared of there, Tony? If they're seven and three,
I want him to go for it there, right, But
the fact that you're three and seven, where you should

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be as desperate as you could possibly be, with your
season hanging by a thread, I couldn't believe it. Yesterday.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
I was in shock. I again, I watch football all day,
every day almost. I watch coaches all the time not
only go for it, but they're ready, like, no, here's
already gone to play, ready, right if they throw it
on third down? They're right, they're they're breaking the huddle
at twenty four ready to run the fourth down play,
like I mean times this year's that just looked like

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there's just an an uncertainty on which play to call
or how long it takes to get a play in.
If I'm if I'm throwing the ball on third down
when I've had the success running the ball that I have,
You bet your tail I am running the ball on
fourth down. And not only that, that sends a message
to my team as well, sends a message to the
old line. I believe in you. To Chase Brown, I

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believe in you. And it sends a message to the
defense who's been dogged all year that actually played well
at times yesterday, that hey, guess what, I trust that
even if we don't get this, you guys will come
up with a stop instead punt touchback embarrassment.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
When it comes to fourth and short. You know, we
have the situation a few weeks ago where they ended
up having Evan McPherson kicked the wrong ball yep, because
they were indecisive. I think that was what a fourth
and thirteen. Yeah, we had situations early in the season,
even when Joe Burrow was playing, where they had a
hard time getting the place.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
He's visibly frustrated on the field.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Like there's these things keep happening, whether they're in decisiveness,
poor communication, or whatever the hell that was yesterday early
in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
I don't know what it was. I don't even know.
I don't even know how to to classify it. Like
I was irate, Like I was mad Friday, I was
more mad Saturday. That singular moment when the punt unit
came on might have been my tipping point of the weekend.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
I again, the first two you mentioned, you just got beat.
Now we'll talk about Saturday and all the mistakes. There
wasn't fear with that game Yesterday. In the fourth quarter,
the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals coached scared, scared,
And I don't know how hot Zach Taylor seed is.

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When I started his sour on Marvin Lewis is when
I felt like he was coaching scared. I wrote a
blog about this once where I felt like Marvin is
coaching on the sideline, thinking about the questions he's gonna
get tomorrow. That's no way to coach. I think Zach
Taylor coaches that way. Now. I think Zach Taylor coached

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that way early in the fourth quarter yesterday.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, and again, the most don't understand the caveat to
all of it. No Burrow, no Chase, no hendrickson three
and seven, and you ran the ball exceptionally well all
day that that all of those things, like one off
is enough reason to go for it. All of those
things combined it makes it a no brainer. Like there

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are folks out there mode that just live and die
by analytics. Analytics heavily favor going for it extraordinarily in
that situation. So even if you're one of the analytics people,
that's like, well, what did the analytics say? The analytics
analytics say, without a.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Doubt, go for that.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
So there's no rhyme or reason, there's no way around it.
He showed no confidence in his team, no understanding of
the in game moment, no understanding of where they're at
in the season at all. In this scenario, it was
it was a microcosm of so many different things that
have been so frustrating to watch about this year's Cincinnati

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Beaty goals.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
But Zach Taylor says he anticipates Joe Burrow playing on
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more on the fourth and one thing. Yeah, I will
throw it you a question you throw at me? Is
there an argument for not going for it? There?

Speaker 4 (22:05):
No, I don't have one. I don't either down in distance,
time of the game, score of the game, the way
your team had performed on offense and defense, field position,
field position, who you were with or without in the game.
I have yet since that happened yesterday, have anyone pushed
back at all? Or give me a other side narrative.

(22:27):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I don't either.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
I don't have it. It's again unless you're saying you're
gonna try to pin him deep. But even if you
pin them deep and get the stop, you're gonna get
the ball around the same spot that you're punning from. Anyway,
just go for it, send a message, go for it,
and just play aggressive. Man. We talked to all like,

(22:52):
let it fly, let it go. What else do you
have to lose this year? There's nothing. You are now
three and eight, the season is spiraling out of control.
We're gonna have a conversation Mo about is it right
to play Joe Burrow in meaningless football games. We're gonna
have another conversation as we go on about, you know,
meaningless wins or draft positioning. There's six games left in

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the year. Those are the conversations we're gonna be warranted to.
And yet we're just punning away on fourth and one.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yesterday, there's a Twitter feed fourth Down Decision Bot, oh,
which is a this is a friend to the analytics community. Okay,
so whenever they're in an NFL game, is a decision
to be made whether or not to go forward on
fourth and short, even fourth and medium. The fourth Down

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Decision Bot weighs in and they're, in their words, strong recommendation. Yeah,
strong recommendation fourth and one, thirteen ten to go balth
Own forty five was to go for it, you know again,

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like you asked, you mentioned this before. There is the
mentality part of this. There's the common sense part of this.
There's there's not wanting to lean on a defense which
has been atrocious all season long. There's down in distance,
there's the emotional part of this. The mathematics say you

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have a very good chance of converting on fourth and one.
The mathematics say, if you have the ball at the
forty five yard line, that is really a place where
you want to go forward on fourth and one.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Yeah, and again I just go back. I guess there's
maybe an argument. I guess there's maybe an argument down
the stretch. If you're running the ball for two yards
of carry and the old line has just been getting
dominated all day, that wasn't the case. So if I'm
looking at a box score and a game ends and
you're running back ran for five point six yards of

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carry and you're not going forward on fourth and one
in the fourth quarter of a winnable game, what message
are you sending to the rest of the team. What
message are you sending to Chase Brown to the O line?
What message are you sending to the defense? What message
are you sending to the fan base? You're punting on
the opportunity to go try to win a football game.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
The message, and I know we've hit it hard, The
message is I'm scared. You could say it's well his messages.
I don't trust my offense, I don't trust my team.
The message to me is I'm scared.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Is he worried they run a fourth down play and
it's a terrible call, and then we're picking that apart.
But at least if we were picking that apart, we
would say love him going for it. Just don't like
the play.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Call or the execution of the play call like anything.
Put it, you've played it at the highest level. To me,
if I'm on that offensive line, if I'm Joe Flacco,
if I'm Chase Brown, put the game in my hands. Yeah,
put the play in my hands. If I don't execute,
it's on me.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
If we don't execute, it's on us. Give us a chance,
and if we don't take advantage of the chance, all right,
we're accountable for it. I thought Zach Taylor showed distrust
in his team, and I just think he showed cowardice. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Again, they're three and seven. I don't along everything we've said.
At the core of it, They're three and seven. What
do you have to lose in a football game like that?
I mean you could draw a parallel mel to what
we saw Saturday night. Mm hmm, Like you see, got
inside the five yard line, fourth and one, they went
for it. I don't have a problem at all about

(26:36):
going for it.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
None.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
I hated the play call, Yeah, because It was the
exact play call they just used on the same drive
on front and inches. Not one person has said, man,
I wish they would have kicked that field goal. I
didn't like the play design that they just had ran
it and showed BYU that play, but I love the
aggressiveness of going for it. That's at worse the conversation

(26:58):
we'd have today if they didn't pick.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Up the fourth down. A couple of pole questions. Okay,
we'll get to the first one here in a bit.
Both are on Twitter at moegar thanks to United Heartland Insurance.
But one of my pole questions is this, because I,
as a general rule, don't like the come to the
line of scrimmage, try to draw m off sides. If
you take a delay a game and that set of circumstances,

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I think the penalty should be like thirty five yards.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
I'm good with that.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
You agree, yes, or half the distance to the goal.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
It was a play we criticized them for the week before.
Had Jamar Chase not gotten into the incident he did right,
They did the exact same thing and they were going
to punt the ball again. Yes, had that happened not
happened with Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey. So it happened,
criticized him. One week later, happened again. Jamar Chase and

(27:48):
Jalen Ramsey didn't get in a fight to save Zach Taylor.
This time from not being more of an issue. It's
the same exact thing. They tried, the same exact thing
last week, and we're going to punt the ball away
just as they did yesterday.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Also, can Ryan Rico put one inside the ten?

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Be nice?

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I mean, you take you take the delay a game right,
and you take the five yards to give your guy
a little bit more room. Now, Ryan Rico has a
great leg, but I don't need a great leg there,
No I need I need a guy who could drop
one inside the ten.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Put one sky high and let your gunners go down
there and catch.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
The ball sails in into the end zone and so like.
Don't absolve him of blame either, Yeah, oh I'm not.
But it just added to the disaster. That was a
decision to punt that ball away. It made it even worse.
There are other things to discuss, eh sixteen away from
uh four o'clock. No, the takeaway of the game for me,

(28:49):
walking out of the Stadium yesterday. Was not how Joe
Flacco played. It wasn't the good and bad from the defense,
and there was a combination of both. It was that play,
I mean. And there were other instances and we went
over than before where they could have and you could
argue should have gone for it, But that one right there,
I'm with you. I cannot find the argument. There are

(29:11):
a lot of things that I believe in, like the
Joe Burrow thing. I would rest them, I'd sit them,
but I get it, like I understand the argument for
playing them. It doesn't bother me that much because they're
still in it. There are a lot of things that
I prefer this, but I could see that, I could
see why you would want to do this in this instance.
It baffles me. I have no remote idea why you

(29:31):
wouldn't go for it there on fourth and inches.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
I don't have the answer.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
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About football show, Twin Peaks and Florence. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty. We are here till six o'clock Jamar Chase.
Obviously it did not play yesterday. He is, for what
it's worth, scheduled to meet with the media tomorrow. He
on his Instagram feed about twenty minutes ago, has issued
a statement about the incident in Pittsburgh last week, and

(30:44):
I will read it for you verbatim. This is from
Jamar Chase's Instagram feed, where he writes to my team fans,
the Bengals organization, the Steelers organization, and the NFL community.
Please know I am speaking from my heart when I
say I take full responsibility for my actions during last
Sunday's game at Pittsburgh. What I did was wrong. The

(31:07):
circumstances don't matter. My passion for the game is no excuse.
There's zero place in our sport or in life for
that level of disrespect. I want to personally apologize to
everyone within the Pittsburgh Steelers organization. I let my emotions
in the moment get the better of me. I can
only hope and trust you know none of it represents

(31:30):
what I am not as a competitor, teammate, or person.
He continues Jamar Chase. I also want to apologize to
my coaches, teammates, and organization for not meeting my own
standards as a leader of this team. This has been
a tough season with some incredibly hard losses. We've all
been frustrated. But instead of stepping up with calm, class

(31:51):
and leadership, I let you down. My having to sit
out yesterday's game makes my actions even more inexcusable. I
won't let it happen again, continues Finally, I want to
apologize to my fans. I do not take anyone who
wears my jersey for granted, I do not take my
position as a role model lightly. As someone who strives
to lead with character and authenticity, I should have taken

(32:14):
immediate accountability for what happened. I am committed to earning
back your respect, not just with words, but with my
actions day after day, on and off the field. I
promise to keep learning from this and to set a
higher standard for myself moving forward with respect Jamar Chase,
So there you go, There you go. Now. One may

(32:36):
point out the fact that he doesn't specifically mention Jalen Ramsey.
It's noteworthy to me that he mentions not taking a
median accountability for what he did. Sure, I'm ready to
move on.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
I'm good at at the end of the day. It
would have been nice, you know, the day after sure
to do something like that in the locker room and
not let it sit for as long as it did.
But the time has been served and served in Clifton
from what I understand. Yeah, he's working out of the
new indoor facility on University of Cincinnati's campus. Yeah, the

(33:16):
time has passed. He made a mistake. You own up
to it, you move on from it.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
And you go, could he have said anything to like
a Brendan Soresby, Like, hey, you think so? You know,
I'm the best target on my team and my quarterback
throws me the ball yep, And so maybe it.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Was a game this year I got twenty three targets.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, maybe you should.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Does Royer have twenty three targets this season?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
I think he has twenty nine catches. Okay, I think
that's the number right now.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
All right. I don't even seem like that much.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
I said this last week, Jamar Chase. I'm a body
of work guy. Jamar's body of work has been awesome.
I give people a chance to learn, I give people
a chance to grow, and I'm gonna do that with Jamar.
I wish he wouldn't have done it. I'm sure he's
gonna be asked tomorrow more questions about it. That's you know,
that's part of the gig. I'm sure he's gonna be

(34:04):
asked why he didn't specifically mention Jalen Ramsey. And I'm
sure folks in Pittsburgh are going to pretend to be
mad about that. But the apology is out there, and
I hope Jamar plays his ass off on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
It does now bring a different level uh to his
game of All right, let's let's not get in a
habit of fifteen yard penalties. Yeah, it's not gonna habit
of hurting our team. You know, this is a learning
experience you you are now when you open yourself up
to something like this, whether you think it's right or wrong.
What do you think other defensive players are going to say?

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Now? Oh?

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Hell, yeah, he's vulnerable. If I'm Marlon Humphrey on Thursday,
lets getting his head. Let's see what we can do. Yeah,
let's let's let's let's push the border here, let's paid him.
Let's let's let's give him a jab after a whistle.
You know, let's let's play on the edge and see
if we can't get something out of Jamar Chase. You
have made that now target bigger for players to try
to take advantage of. So you have to be a

(34:58):
bigger and better person going forward because of it.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Joe Burrows should be throwing passes to Jamar Chase on
Thursday night. We'll spend some time on that when we
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all the loud cheering for the Bengals defense as good

(37:24):
as it was yesterday. Joe Burrow is gonna play on Thursday.
At least that's the plan here. Zach Taylor acknowledged as much.
The Bengals in their media advisory notes late last week
sent out the schedule for the week and listed to
two forty five tomorrow is Bengals quarterback. So we'll assume
this is gonna be Joe Burrow talking tomorrow because they
have written him in and pencil, maybe even penn he

(37:49):
social media. He's gonna start at QB, so he's gonna go.
I don't think any of us are surprised he's gonna play.
How should I feel about this?

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Apprehensive? I think would be a good way to put it.
There's two factors that go into this. There's one. There's
the Joe Burrow factor of flat out you're running him
back out there, and there is we don't know this
because we're not in on the meetings. If Ted Carris
gets pushed back and steps directly on the toe, what
are the ramifications of that? Like I went through this vividly.

(38:19):
I've talked about this in two thousand and nine when
I rebroke my arm, I had conversations with the training
staff because I wanted to get back. The coaching staff
wanted me to get back. People in your life are
wanting you to get back. Teammates are wanting you to
get back. I had to rely on the trainers. No
one asked me, by the way no one asked you
at the time. I had to rely on the trainers
because they're the ones that have your best interest in

(38:41):
mind to say, here's what it is, and you lay
out every possible situation. And I was told, there will
be paying there'll be things to get through, but you're
not gonna hurt it any worse. So for me, okay,
green light, let's go play. So there's that aspect of
the Joe Burrow side of things. There is obviously the
ability of this team to play higher level, maybe win

(39:01):
some games down the stretch, but you also do run
the risk of running him back out there. Are you
gonna be able to operate in the same way that
you're operating now where the running games had some success.
I think it's significant that you're gonna be operating now
without t Higgins as well. That allows defenses to change
things up on how they're gonna guard Jamar Chase, maybe
you gotta hold on the ball for a little bit longer.

(39:23):
And there's also the fact of the matter is are
you wanting to win games down the stretch? I know
winning is important. I've heard Zach Taylor say.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
It enough, it's important to him. But let's just.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Draw the scenario today. Right now, the Bengals I think
would select around eight or nine in the draft. A
lot of draft prospects view Caleb Downs as going in
that spot. If you win a couple of games, Caleb
Downs probably won't be there at thirteen or fourteen. So,
like at the very core of it, there's that level
to this as well. And I'm not saying like brow games,

(39:54):
but no one had this problem when it was Bengals
Dolphins years ago. Loser got Joe Burrow, right, no one
had the problem of losing that game because you're gonna
get Joe Burrow. Well, are you willing to risk draft
stock now in order to win what is meaningless football
down the stretch? There are all of those things that
go into Thursday night.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, I mean that part of it. For me, regardless
of who the quarterback is, I'd like to think my
players are gonna play hard. So I'm not making for me.
I'm not making the Joe Burrow decision because I'm I'm
thinking about the draft. If we end up not winning
games that don't matter, and a side benefit of that

(40:36):
is we get a better draft choice. Okay, but I
don't expect next year's draft to inform their decision making
about who plays, game strategies or any of that. This
is simple for me. I am willing to go overboard
to protect my most prized assets. I am willing to
go overboard to protect my most important investments. Joe Burrow

(41:00):
is their most important investment. I am willing to go
overboard to protect him, and so for me, that involves
him not playing on Thursday. I do understand I'm going
overboard here. I would be surprised if Joe was capable
of playing and willing to play. I would be surprised

(41:22):
at this point. At the Bengal said, no, they are
not mathematically eliminated. As far fetched as it is. They
do not have an X next to their name and
the standings, and so while my preference is go overboard
to protect that asset because I want to get a
jump start on next year, I get it. He's gonna play,

(41:44):
they have a shot. By the way, there's also this.
I love watching him play absolutely, and as a fan
as much as I've become a fan of Joe Flacco.
This has been a hellish season. If I can get
a couple of games just watching Joe Burrow do Joe
Burrow things, that's fun. When when they are eliminated, and

(42:06):
unfortunately it feels like more of a matter of when
than if. When they are eliminated, you cannot convince me
that it makes any sense for him to be playing,
especially if you look at those games down the stretch.
I don't think either Miami, Arizona or Cleveland is going
to be playing for anything.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Cleveland Miles Garrett might be playing for his thirtieth sack
of the year right the way he's playing it right
at this level, which again is another reason I wouldn't
want Burrow in anyway.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Right. So it's one thing if if you're playing a
team that's fighting somebody else for a playoff spot, and
there's some integrity of the sport issues there, don't love it,
But okay, if you're playing out the string in games
that simply do not matter for either team, you cannot

(42:53):
convince me it makes sense for him to play. Nope,
you cannot convince me it makes sense for the most
prized asset to be put in hearty.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
And so again, is there a number of games you're
good with or is it just straight mathematical elimination for men?

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Straight mathematical elimination? And again, man, like, I admit this,
I am willing to go overboard to protect my most
prized assets.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Like if Thursday Night happens, they lose a close one,
he gets sacked five times, and we're having moments again
like we did last year, where you're holding your breath,
but they're still mathematically eligis like, are you still going?
Are you sending him to Buffalo the next week to
start again?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
If it's me, he's not playing at all, right, But
I guess what I'm trying to say is like I
acknowledge my position is kind of extreme, sure, because that's
how much I value him, and because this whole thing
falls apart if he's not available next year, And frankly,
I am more interested in next year than I am.
A last ditch effort to make the postseason, which has

(43:52):
a very very very very small chance of paying off.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
So this team won a Super Bowl this year. No, No,
the ultimate right, the ultimate goal, and the best chance
to reach that ultimate goal is if he's healthy to
start next year.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Right, So I'm all about winning the championship. When can
they next win the championship? As far fetched as it
may sound, as next, I guess what I'm trying to
say is here's what I would do. I would shelve him.
I cannot get mad at them for playing him on Thursday,
assuming he's physically where he needs to be, because they
haven't been mathematically eliminated. Now, if they lose and they're

(44:28):
sitting there at three and nine, while at that point
I guess they still won't be mathematically eliminated, then I
think you kind of have to take a look at
yourself organizationally and go, all right, we have five games
to go. Does this make any sense whatsoever? I want
to be clear on this. If I ran the organization,

(44:50):
which I think would be cool if I if I
do too, If I ran the organization, Joe Burrow would
be done. I put on Twitter yesterday like I'd give
him the keys to like an Airbnb somewhere in the Caribbean,
and I would tell that guy man we'll see in April, like,
we don't need you here. But I cannot get upset
at them having him play games that matter. Yeah, when

(45:12):
they're done and the man does not work at all
and you're playing out the string, I don't want Joe
Burrow to be in a stadium, much less on the
field taking snaps.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I get like, I just I wish, I wish we
got the answer of if he gets stepped on, can
it rebreak like?

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Is it? Is it healed?

Speaker 4 (45:31):
To the point of that is it? Is he capable
of going under center? Is he capable of pushing off?
Is his pocket movement going to be at all compromised?
Your offense is compromised without t Higgins right, Your your
offense is different with the whole under center verse shotgun conversation.
You're going into a hostile environment in a division game

(45:52):
where they don't like you, and they are playing for
still their playoff life, which is a lot more alive
than what yours is. If you're the Cincinnati Bank goes,
every box better be checked. There better be no limitations
when he's running out there, because if there is, then
you're doin him and this organization of disservice because say
what you want. Do I enjoy watching Joe Burrow?

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Selfishly? Am I excited that on Thanksgiving Night I get
to watch Joe Burrow play?

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Absolutely, that wouldn't be as fun without it. But the
goal is a super Bowl. They're not winning one this year.
If you want any chance to win one next year,
he needs to play seventeen regular season football games.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
And I will say this, the fact that he didn't
play this week suggests that they're making decisions with some
level of prudence. Sure, they're not. I think we all
have this fear that they were going to do something
that was kind of irresponsible. The fact that they played
it the way they did would suggest that somebody is thinking,
whether it's Zach, whether it's Duke, whether it's Mike, whether

(46:52):
it's Katie, whether it's Liz, whether it's Joe Burrow himself,
somebody is applying some common sense here, and so that's
a good thing. Yeah, that's not an insignificant development at all.
But like you also have to remember here, the original
best K's timeline was mid December. Yeah, we're not there yet. No,

(47:12):
it was mid December for him to return. And so
while I think it's cool as hell that he has
put himself in a position to be back. Never underestimate
Joe Burrow. Admire the hell out of his willingness to
work his ass off to get ready to play. I
don't think anybody should be surprised if we find out
that he physically isn't one thousand percent when he takes

(47:37):
the field on Thursday, because he's not supposed to be
back yet. Let me go to the original timeline.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Let me take this a step further than Thursday night
in Baltimore happens just a disastrous start for the defense,
twenty one nothing, all of a sudden. Are you then
going to ask Joe Burrow to throw fifty times? Are
you going to ask him to drop back? And again
it's a it's a it's an extreme scenario. Yeah, but
this is a bad defense. It is Lamar Jackson. They

(48:04):
don't tackle well already. Let's say Baltimore just jumps all
over him all of a sudden. You can't be balanced.
Are you trying to play to win the game, because
if you are, you're gonna ask him to throw it
fifty to fifty five times, right? Or are you gonna
come out and run the ball and try to stay balanced. Like,
those are the questions that run through my mind. It'd
be great if it was a one possession game and

(48:25):
you could ask him to drop back twenty five times.
What if it's not? What if they take a big lead?
Is there anything about you to say, come sit on
the bench?

Speaker 5 (48:35):
Ye?

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Like, we'll pick it up again and we'll do it
next week. Because now now I've got a defense that's
pinning their ears back. I've got a higher likelihood for pressure,
higher likelihood for sacks. That's what I mean. Bike. Are
there limitations to him coming back?

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Like again, do you want to see him on Thursday
night drop back forty five times?

Speaker 3 (48:54):
No? No? No?

Speaker 4 (48:55):
So does anything that happens in the game dictate anything
with Joe Burrow?

Speaker 3 (49:00):
I think in life you let circumstances dictate how you
make your decisions, and so apply context. Right, How is
the game unfolding? Are they down twenty one in the
second quarter? Are they teeing off on him? Do they
have no chance of blocking him? Is he limping a
little bit too much? Is he dealing with like is
it compromised? Yeah? Like, let's I'm certainly willing to let

(49:21):
the game play out. But yeah, there are scenarios in
that guy have to be discussed where you're like, dude,
hit to eject button. This isn't this isn't a good idea.
I hope we don't get there. You have to allow
for that. You can't have him dropping back forty five
to fifty fifty five times no on on Thursday, because

(49:41):
then you're just playing with fire in a game that
it matters. But again, you're going into it three and.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Eight, meaning yeah, yeah, I think all all conversations that
have to be had. It's not just as easy as
player don't play no, Like that's the thing like inside
those walls this week, and those are the conversations that
need to be happy.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I also don't think it's as easy as Joe wants
to play, so he plays. You're allowed to tell him no.
We all love Joe Burrow, you're allowed to tell him no.
I want a quarterback who wants to play like. I
want a guy who says I'm gonna work my tail
off to get back even earlier than anybody thinks. Yeah,
I'm gonna keep myself in great shape, like I want

(50:23):
to be out there. That is everything you want in
a player. It's certainly everything you want in a quarterback.
But you are allowed at some point to tell him, Joe,
for the betterment of our organization and for your career,
it doesn't make sense to have you out there anymore. Yeah,
you're allowed to tell him.

Speaker 11 (50:41):
No.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
You know, two thousand and nine against West Virginia, I
just played in the red zone. That's right, and we
just keep Joe as maybe the red zone guy.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
What was that like?

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Easy for me? I'm lad of work on about twelve plays,
you know, could Joe? Could Joe be like the third
and fourth and short guy. Could he give me and
be like, hey, Zach, I'll take care of this. We're
going to go for this.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Hey, if you need a guy to do the let
him draw.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
He's working on that.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah, I'll see if I can draw them off sides
and then we'll take the lay a game, time out.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Take a time out.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
By the way, I do have on on Twitter one
of the two pole questions thanks to United Heartland Insurance.
The first one was gonna be about, if you were
in charge, would you have Joe Burrow play on Thursday?
And the electorate is a little bit split fifty four no,
forty six percent say yes. But sixty nine percent of
folks responding to our other pole question in favor of

(51:36):
a thirty five yard penalty. If you try to draw
a team off sides and take it to lay a game.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
That's crazy. That only that you said sixty nine percent. Yeah, man,
that's that's lower than I expected.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
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line comes away the defense. You know, I'm certainly willing

(53:20):
to give credit words due Gino Stone played a good
game yesterday, played a really good game yesterday. Had to
pick six, makes some really good play in the goal line.
Bengals defense on the goal line was terrific. They didn't
get totally torched. Now they had no prayer of covering
the middle of the field Hunter unbelievable. Yesterday. The Bengals

(53:41):
linebackers continue to be terrible. They couldn't get a stop,
they couldn't get a three and out, they couldn't get
a turnover in the fourth quarter when they were down
by three points. They were better yesterday. I would stop
short of saying, boy, Dave turned the corner? Is that correct?

Speaker 9 (53:57):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (53:57):
They I thought our goal yesterday opened up the playbook
a little bit. You know, we use the term emptying
the kitchen sink as it relates to Zach Taylor and
not going forward on fourth down. I thought for a
time yesterday I'll Golden kind of did empty it. We
saw more pressures, we saw more different looks. We saw

(54:18):
Chris Jenkins dropping in the coverage on one play. At
least he's trying stuff.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Is that something you want? No?

Speaker 4 (54:24):
But at least there are things happening now.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
At least Dak sill get three pass interference flags. Yeah,
was the one on the goal one a good call?

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Like by the letter of the law. Yes, I'm just
what I'm done watching on Saturdays and Sundays. Are DB's
not turning to locate the ball?

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Yes, like we see that a lot of you see,
We've seen it a lot with the Cincinnati Bengals. It's
maddening to me just turn and look when you're in position.
But I thought they played hard yesterday, which, again, at
times I think has been lacking. So I will give
them credit for playing hard. Geno Stone, give them or
do you acknowledge it? I want to say acknowledge it,

(55:02):
because it's it's the prerequisite that you're supposed to play us.
I'll also say that I think a lot of the
people that are around here today inside this establishment may
have been able to come up with that interception from
Drake May yesterday that Geno Stone did. But I'll give
credit where credits due. He made the play. They have

(55:22):
a long way to go. You're not gonna go from
the worst defense in the history of the NFL to Okay,
they're back. They're okay, especially when you got to turn
around Thursday and deal with Lamar Jackson and then Josh Allen,
show me what you can do the next two weeks,
and then we'll have a conversation on have they turned
a corner or not, and maybe we can have more
of a conversation on guys that maybe you can rely

(55:43):
on going forward. I thought in the first half Miles
Murphy provided some pressures. I thought he was good for
back to back games, but we are far far away
from anything along the lines of turning a page or
turning a corner. Thursday will be a huge test.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Do you ever confuse Hunter Henry with Hayden Hurst a
little bit? I have to pause every time I say,
and that includes the year that Hunter was here.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
I mean I had to do it yesterday because I
had no.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Sorry, we had Hayden, they have Hunter.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Yeah I didn't. I didn't remember hearing or seeing much
of Hunter Henry throughout the season. No, much like I
didn't with Darnell Washington.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
As soon as you see those linebackers in the skyting
report bart demetriously.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
You think Mark Andrews Isaiah likely they got that colar
guy like they've got.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Oh, they're gonna bring that like Todd Heap's gonna come
out of retire.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
They're gonna travel, they're gonna they're gonna come out with
like nine ten tight ends on the roster.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
But like it's it's true, though, why wouldn't you play
the Bengals. Wouldn't you just go screw it? We're gonna
throw the ball in middlefield every time?

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Linebacker and safety play is terrible, right, That's where the
safeties and linebackers are guarding.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Right.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
I wouldn't throw a DJ Turner a lot right now?
I think he's playing really.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Well, very well.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Yeah, so yeah, that would be the next line of
of of business for me. I attacked the middle of
the field, which again draws parallels to conversations we've had
about the Bearcats, and then we will about the Bearcats.
It's crazy how these two are just starting to mirror
each other and what we're talking about. Look, I think

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the development at linebacker has been one of the most
fascinating storylines to go south for this team. Think what
you want about when Al Golden was named the decordinator.
Do you know what I thought when he was named
the coordinator, Well, he was the linebacker coach, so at
least we don't have to worry about that position. And
then we spent way too much time talking about orin
Burke's yesterday, and then we spent a ton of time

(57:37):
talking about Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight Junior and what
to do with Logan Wilson. I thought, at the core
of it, even if the defense were bad, I thought,
Al Golden, like that's his specialty as linebacker, will be good.
There we are at troshits at the linebacker lot.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Well, that's the thing. There's a difference between being good
and being below average, Yeah, and being a slight liability
and then being a train wreck. Yeah, like there a
train wreck the one.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
I think we're at the train wreck level.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
The one thing like with Barret Carter, he will never
be able to complain about not being given an opportunity. Yeah,
never came off the field yesterday despite being atrocious. Atrocious.
They've decided to just ride or die with him, Like
but yeah, to me, that has been the most sobering
part of this Al Golden experience is he was going
to emphasize linebacker and they were going to be better

(58:26):
there and they haven't been. We will get to the Bearcats.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Why do I say we have to? It's fine, we will.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Get to the Bearcats. We're not gonna duck it because
there's a lot of a lot of issues on the table.
Four to thirty sports headlines coming up as well. Tony
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doesn't bother me. He did not apologize to Jalen Ramsey himself,
but he has apologized on his Instagram. You can go
read it. You see as apologized for some chance some

(01:01:16):
derogatory language made by a group of fans during Saturday's
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(01:01:57):
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Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Sorry, I was just watching Daniel Skillings junior make some
big plays for Baylor on this replay as they beat Creighton.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Good for Dan Well, he's good to see.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
I saw Errington Page make a game winner for Northwestern
yesterday as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Good for Arrington.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Dylan Mitchell plays some good ball for Saint John's over
the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Good for Dylan. Let's talk about Saturday night at Nippert Stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Diego Pavia just scored another touchdown against Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Let's talk about Saturday night.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
I'm just trying to see as much as i can
do to just avoid the conversation you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
And I have both said to each other and to others.
That was of these last three UC losses, easily the
most frustrating. That to me was the most frustrating loss
of the last three years. Team at home at the
hands of BYU and frankly Tony. I don't think the
game was anywhere as closed as the final score might indicate.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Yeah, I just I don't get what we're doing at
this point. I don't understand it. Anytime this team faces
a good competition, they make the same mistakes we always
talk about. It's great to beat up on Baylor this year.
Great to beat up and get a good win against Kansas.

(01:03:28):
At the time, I thought that was a great win.
Kansas has five wins this year. This team has been
presented with multiple opportunities this year to get marquee wins.
All right, Nebraska to start the year at Utah, with
everything on the line. You just got into the top
twenty five. You won seven games in a row. They
failed at Utah. They came back home after a bye
and looked so ill prepared to face any type of

(01:03:49):
man coverage against Arizona. That game against Arizona was the
start of a three game stretch where if you win
all three you play for a Big twelve title. That
was disappointing. And yet what I watched Saturday night, aside
from nip at Night Drone Show atmosphere so good, so awesome.
It felt like big time college football. But until the

(01:04:12):
but once the game started, it's the same stuff we've
been talking about. Joe Royer on the side of a
milk carton not utilized. Yeah, two targets, so yeah, two
targets to catch ye one was on like a third
and fifteen where they checked it down to him. Joe
Royer is non existent when this team needs to somehow

(01:04:34):
get a stop. Dante Corleone's not in the game, which
I'll get to in a second. But yeah, like I
alluded to it, You've alluded to it. Three miss field
goals failed fourth and one inside the five yard line,
lining up off sides on a punt, a terrible interception
to start the third quarter, a bad fumbled by Cyrus
Allen when you're getting into the deep part of BYU territory.

(01:04:55):
You gave up a second nineteen first down with a
face mask. Just this. The teams that play meaningful football
at the end of the year don't do this team
continues to do. The offense at times has no rhythm.
They had one third down conversion entering the fourth quartermow
one third down conversion, and as you mentioned, it didn't

(01:05:16):
feel that close. But when they did make it close
and they cut it to six with under five minutes left,
and they haven't been able to tackle LJ. Martin all night.
Dante Corleone won in the game to start to drive
and the safeties were playing twelve to fifteen yards back.
Both safeties. While I watch Arizona and I watched BYU
put eleven guys consistently within about five yards of the

(01:05:37):
line of scrimmage against this offense. I watched them run
out there in the biggest drive of the year for
the defense without Dante Corleone and with two safeties twelve
to fifteen yards back. There is no excuse for that
so yeah, bad luck at times, sure kicked themselves absolutely
biggest moments. They don't make the place. You could say

(01:05:59):
that for the bad you could say it for the Bearcats.
And it comes back to the same conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
I said this to you and ken Brew yesterday that
if you were to start a list of the best
UC players, there's a decent chance the top two names
would be Corleone and Royer. Now they've got some offensive
lineman who would have something to say about that. In
the first game of the season against Nebraska, there were
times where Dante Corleone wasn't on the field. It was

(01:06:27):
late August, but it wasn't very hot that night at
Arrowhead Stadium, and we walked out of that game going, God,
they're gonna have to They're gonna have to get Dante
corleon on the field more often, and so maybe he's
not quite in the kind of shape they need him
to be. Twelve weeks later, the thing about Saturday night
is it wasn't the exception. I can't tell you how

(01:06:49):
many times in big situations I've looked on the field
and with the Bearcats on defense, number two is on
the sideline. That doesn't make any sense to me the
Joe Royer thing. Everyone in that building will tell you
we have the best tight end in the country. Yeah,
well if you do, then you get him the football.

(01:07:11):
Joe Royer this season has twenty six catches.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Which, by the way, Todd McShay, who draft expert for
The Ring Yeah, did his way too early twenty twenty
six mock draft. Before the year, he listed Joe Royer
as the number thirty one pick in the twenty twenty
six draft, first round pick.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I know, I bring this up to you almost every
single week, and when they're winning, it's not that big
of a deal. I needed explain to me, like I'm
nine years old, how you could claim to have the
best tight end in the country and never throw him
the football? Nop? And it's not, Well, he's the best

(01:07:54):
blocking tight end in the country, although he has come
a long ways in that regard. How can you claim
we have the best tight end in the country and
he never gets the football? How Like? That baffles me?
And it would be one thing if Brendan Sorosby was

(01:08:14):
continually just taking advantage of the dudes he has on
the outside. But there have been so many instances where
it feels like this is where you get the best
tight end in the country the football on a third
and four near the goal when you need a high
percentage completion. I've been a UC football fan for decades.

(01:08:37):
This is easily the most I've ever been baffled about
something as it relates to that football program. How do
you have the best tight end in the country and
he never gets the football?

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
And that's the thing to me, Like all of his
catches just like dump offs. Right, how many times he
been targeted in the red zone is what I'd like
to know. Not many. Joe Royer thing is baffling to
memo and then like, I agree with Corleone, But if
you if game one we were able to sit up
there and say, man, you know what, when Corleone's in

(01:09:11):
the game, teams make a concerted effort to run up
the middle. They have to have an answer for that,
and that was going to be his usage at any
point mode. Could you say, if Dante's not in, we
got to go to a four down front. Of course,
they just keep running the three man front out there.
And here's the thing about the fatigue that I don't understand.
Correct me if I'm wrong. You see deferred and BYU

(01:09:31):
went three and out. The next series, Dante wasn't in Yeah,
three plays on Senior Night. Yeah, And he wasn't in
the second series. And I'm thinking to myself, is this
a is it a fatigue thing? Or is this like
the going to the game and every other series Dante's
getting arrest because on a three and out, biggest game

(01:09:54):
of the year, he should have been back out there.
The second series, he should have surely been back out
there with four and a half minutes remaining, when you're
down six and you know LJ. Martin is going to
get the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
So last year they lose their last five. They go
from five to two to five and seven. And if
you think of those five games, there's two common denominators
I think from this year. Number one suspect quarterback play.
Brendan Soorsby threw a pick the other day. You know,
you and I are lucky enough to work in the
broadcast booth, and the glance we exchanged with each other,

(01:10:32):
I thought Brendan was going to take it in a
run for fifteen yards. He had some real estate.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
And it's the first drive coming out of the half.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
He throws a pick that, like, dude, I like Brendan Soorsby,
but that's one of the worst interceptions I've seen. So
you have that and then you just have this series
of mistakes. And if you go back to that five
game losing streak last year, time and time and time again,
they kept shooting themselves in the foot, and he said, well,
the talent isn't where it needs to be. The talent

(01:11:01):
is closer this year to where it needs to be.
I think we would agree with that, right, Like, the
talent on this year's team topped a bottom better than
last year. And yet here down the stretch in the
month of November, Scott Saderfield is now one in ten
in November at U. See, yep, it looks like last year.
Then you look at the game they have on Saturday,

(01:11:23):
not gonna be favored to be TCU. So you're staring
down the barrel of a four game losing streak to
end the season and then your bowl game. Who knows
you're gonna who you're gonna have in the bowl game.
But it's definitely possible that for the second consecutive year,
your season ends with five straight losses. If that happens,
and frankly to a degree even if it doesn't. But

(01:11:45):
if that happens, I believe Scott Sadderfield is gonna be
the coach next year. But good luck selling that to people.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Good luck selling that, good luck selling it to recruits,
good luck selling it to transfers. I mean the sobering
fact about this, And and again the portal makes things different.
Gold E Corleone, Royer Gone, like they're they're losing some
key pieces, some foundational Gavin Gerhart, Gavin Gerhart, Logan Wilson,

(01:12:14):
like they they're losing a lot. They are there, So
how do you replenish that? And how do you go
raise the money necessary? If you're talking about a team
that last year lost five in a row down the
stretch and this year is staring at that right now.
Like we even said the two game loser tricks one thing.
But Saturday was a chance to win and win and
go nine and three and all of a sudden, that's momentum.

(01:12:38):
If they lose Saturday, that is such a disappointment.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Yes, to go from seven to one to seven and
five is a massive disappointment, devastating.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
So I'm worried about it. I'm worried about the program.
You mentioned that I agree that the quarterback play. You
could argue there were a couple drops, but I thought
overall the accuracy was just off. Yeah, from Brendan Soarsby
for the most part on Saturday Night. And again, it's
been in the biggest games against the best competition where
they seem to just go through these laws that you

(01:13:10):
can't do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
And I think it's worth wondering. You know, there's been
some NFL chatter as it relates to Brendan Soresby. For
his sake, I hope that happens. I've not watched a
quarterback who's going to be taken early in the draft
next year, right, and so I would then assume if
he comes back and plays college football, it would be
a UC. But can you win a Big twelve championship?

(01:13:34):
Because that's the barometer, man like, can you win a
Big twelve championship with him? And I'm I want the
answer to be yes, and the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Worst way, But that's the worrisome thing that I'm I
don't know that I'm finding myself fighting with for UC
right now. I've been a UC fan literally my whole life.
I don't want the barometer to be eight or nine wins.
I want to win a big I want the bar
to be winning championships. And that's why Friday night pissed
me off, because the barometer for a a lot of
people was, Hey, we stayed close to Louisville, that barometer

(01:14:04):
and then well, you know, eleventh raining team in the
country shot yourself in the foot a couple of times.
I'm done with like moral victories. I just want to win.
And I don't just want to win and go five hundred.
I don't want to win in basketball and sniff the
NCAA tournament. I don't want to get the six wins
so you get to play in a bowl game. I
want to compete for championships. And if you don't believe

(01:14:28):
that the staff or the roster in place can win championships,
then what are we doing? That should be the standard this.
I was looking at it in the locker room the
other day. They played in the College Football Playoff a
couple of years ago, one of four teams at that
time to represent the College Football Playoff, and now it's like, oh,

(01:14:51):
can they rally and you know, win a bowl game? Well,
can they go on the road and you know, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Guess for me, like this year, we said before the season,
and we got to break here in a second, but
we said it before the season, eight or nine wins
would be fine. Right now they're going to struggle to
get to eight. But at the end of this season,
you should feel like the pieces are in place. Let's
go get one or two more and we can go
and win a big twelve championship next year. Granted, so

(01:15:21):
much is gonna change this offseason as it relates to
players coming and going. They still feel a ways away
from being able to win a title, and the talent
this year is better. But what has become unfortunately emblematic
of the Scott Sadderfield regime are games like the other
nights our games like the Arizona game, a whole slew

(01:15:44):
of missed opportunities, a whole sea of mistakes, and a
team that can't get out of its own way.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
It's just.

Speaker 11 (01:15:51):
You.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
You can go to the game by game breakdown. You know,
we know what the Nebraska game was, and you know
so being that game thirteen completions for sixty nine yards.
There's been such great games in the middle of this slate.
You know the Kansas game, he almost Thwes for four
hundred Oklahoma State two eighty four. But I just go
back to the games that matter MO, the games that

(01:16:14):
they need the most out of the quarterback Utah eleven
to thirty three with an interception, Arizona fifteen or twenty
eight for one fifty four two interceptions BYU twenty five
of thirty eight costly interception. You have to play your
best football when it matters the most, and he did
such a good job during that seven game winning streak

(01:16:35):
of not turning the ball over and playing efficient football.
But when the competition has been its best, this team
has played their worst.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
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The day today after the Bengals lost at home to
the New England Patriots twenty six to twenty. By the way,
this is one of the great college basketball weeks you
will have between all the different in season tournaments. Yeah,
lots of great teams playing in Vegas starting tonight. Starting tonight,
you see versus the New Jersey Institute of Technology is

(01:18:59):
a big.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
Game leading right Indo with Gonzaga and Alabama.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Right, yeah, yep, you've got Monday Night football tonight. There's
a lot going on. You can watch everything here. They
get a million TVs.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
What if you want to come here Saturday? Is it's
Friday or Saturday where Mark Stoops tries to gain Bowl
eligibility for the Kentucky Wildcats.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Oh, in in the big game against Lois the Governor's Cup, Yes,
the Governor's Cup, the Governor's Cup. Kentucky is still trying
to be Bowl eligible. That game is on Saturday. Okay,
Saturday at noon, okay at at Louisville five and six
versus seven and four. You can watch that game here. Yeah,
it's gonna be awesome. It'll be it really truly is.

(01:19:36):
So you can take in everything here at Twin Peaks
and Florence. Food's great, the bud light is cold, and
it's easy to get to. Bengals lose. One other thing
we really haven't touched on all that much, and it's
it's a bit of a broken record, but one of
the most damning indictments of Duke Tobin was it involves
something that happened yesterday. Jamar Chase didn't play. By the way,

(01:20:00):
if you don't know, Jamar Chase has issued a statement
about the spinning incident on his Instagram seat. You can
go check that out. Jamar Chase doesn't play yesterday. So
the Bengals have an opening wide receiver a perfect place,
you would think if you recently used an early round
draft choice on a guy can early day two okay,

(01:20:21):
first two days of the draft, and yet Jermaine Burton,
who again a healthy scratch.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
He was a guy that had that big towel during
training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
The beach towel.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
Yes, when he was winning one on one battles. He
was in training camp that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
If I'm Mike Brown, and again I've done this exercise
multiple times this year. But if I'm Mike Brown, Duke
Tobin is sitting there with me, and I go, all right.
So we we were down a receiver yesterday and we
couldn't dress Jermaine and Burton. Now, Zach Taylor was asked
about it, and you'll hear his press conference a little

(01:20:58):
bit later on and he's like, well, we had Mike
a SICKI healthy is.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
Coming off the injured list.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Yeah, good, good answer. That's fine. If Duke Tobin worked
for me every single week, I would be asking him, okay,
so why yeah, Like and sometimes you in life, you
ask questions and you know the answers. And so if
I'm Mike Brown, I'm asking that question, but I know
the answer. But Duke, you drafted this guy and yet

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he never plays. It's year two and there was an
opening at the position this guy is supposed to play
and he still doesn't dress it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
It's next in the line of the indictments to be
carried down against Duke Tobin. I mean, look what I
don't understand Mitchell Tinsley was what in the draft years ago,
not early. Andre Yoshi Voss was winning six round, sixth round.
So you're running out there without Jamar Chase, a six rounder,
You're running out there Mitchell Tinsley.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
When you have Mitchell Tinsley was undrafted.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Okay, so you have yesterday and it kind of brings
me up to we didn't discuss it either. Yesterday morning.
We talked about, Okay, no, Jamar Chase. Can we use
T Higgins in a way that we heard t talk
about in training camp inside outside slot motion?

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
No, we didn't none of that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
There was a point in the first half I didn't
think T. Higgins was playing because he wasn't getting targeted.
So you don't utilize matchups with T Higgins, You allow
a defense to take him out. You have an undrafted
guy and a six round draft pick trying to get
open in a National Football League game while last year's
third round draft pick out of the SEC sits by

(01:22:37):
and doesn't even dress. How do you get by if
you're Duke Tobin with that? How do you never have
to answer to anything in the organization of Hey, how's
this happening. How what's the status of Jermaine Burton. Can
you give us an update? Well, because well, you know,

(01:22:58):
he's handling himself better and he's doing thing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
He's just not there yet. I feel like there's almost this.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
I don't know And if not, would anyone at the
deadline have kicked the tire on a former third round
pick for a seventh rounder.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
No, I mean, honestly, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
At that point, I don't. I don't eve want him
on the team. Yeah, he's taking up he's taking up
a spot. I don't even want him on the roster.
If you can't use him yesterday, I don't what's he
here for?

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Right practice? Zach Taylor gets questions that Duke Tobin should
be answering, and again today Zach Taylor was asked a
question about Jermaine Burton not dressing and to me, that's
more of a Duke Tobin thing. You drafted the guy, yep,
you took.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
Him the third in the third round. Yeah, yes, I
just it's it's it's maddening and.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Like the one thing we'll never know the answer to.
Let's say Jermaine Burton like gets it, or let's say
talent was.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
There when he was asked a go in the game
and just run a go route. Dude, he kind of
pass against the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Let's say one of two things unfold. Either like Jermaine
Burton understands, gets it, like knows how to be a pro,
or they take a different wide receiver with that exact
same pick and last year, either Jermaine Burton or the
other wide receiver ends up showing promise. Is T Higgins

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on the team right now? Right now?

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
I'm glad that T Higgins is on the team. But
if you want to make the argument, he if you
want to make the argument they can't have a good
defense because they paid Jamar and T. Well, there is
a little bit of a domino effect when the guy
that you drafted to replace T Higgins isn't any good
and now you've got to keep T Higgins and pay him.
And again, like I'm okay with the fact that they

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pay Tea Aigans are gonna draft, well they haven't done it,
but that Germaine Burton pick. But there are bad There
are bad picks who play and you know what, the
guys is not a good player. The guy is not
a good fit. Whatever it is you're a worst pick
if you never play. And it's one thing to be
like a sixth rounder and you're on the team, but
the team always scratches you. You're a third rounder who

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played it two different SEC schools, and when there was
an opening like do we think he's gonna play on Thursday,
all of a sudden No, with no T Higgins.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
No, that's the thing. So for me, it's like, listen,
I like andre Josivash. Sure there's a reason he was
a six round draft pick. Yes, there's a reason. There's
a reason that all the teams passed on him because
his skill sets limited. Right, there's a reason Mitchell Tinsley
wasn't drafted. Why because everyone made the same decision that

(01:25:51):
Mitchell Tinsley wasn't a draftable guy. Right, Jermaine Burton was
a third round pick. Third round picks in the NFL
are meant to start at some point six round picks
rarely do.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
I just go back to that draft night with Nick
Saban on set, going like, man, I don't know dude.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
Like Brian Kelly when I asked about me in two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
And nine, Well, that's when other NFL teams were my Bro,
Brian Kelly's son. Yeah, on the field for LSU's senior day.
DK didn't want to go to senior day. Listen, I
get he's like suing the school. You can't be there, Okay,
senior day.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
He's like, free, BK. Your dad's not incarcerated, right, he's
about to settle for fifty four million dollars. Yeah, and
this whole thing, like, bro, gotcha, Bro, gotcha. I have
a great relationship with my dad. I've never referred to
my dad as bro.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
You know, my dad, God rest his soul. Like, I
wonder what his response to me would have been, what's up? Bro?
Had I ever called him bro?

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
He's just to be clear, Brian Kelly not in cars
rated right, not behind bars, waiting to settle a fifty
four million dollars settlement and we're talking about free BK.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
If Brian Kelly wanted to be there, LSU would not
have told him no. Correct, even though there is a
dispute about the settlement. They fired him. I cannot imagine.
I cannot imagine what kept him from being there for
his kid. And again that's between him.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
And his family and not coaching engagement right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Like I it would have been interesting to see what
the reaction would have been. Did he not go because
they'd boom, like, really right, you can't take that picture
with your son. I don't know. Maybe his son's cool that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
Bro, Bro, that would be close.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
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By the way, don't forget. We're in Westchester next week Monday,
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the NFL for that matter. Bengals do go to Baltimore
to take on the Ravens, who won their fifth consecutive
game yesterday beat the Jets twenty three to ten. Lamar
Jackson under three I'm sorry, under two hundred yards passing
for the third consecutive game. The defense, though has improved
dramatically from what it was early in the season. First
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(01:29:53):
point three points given up per They have now held
their last six opponents to under twenty points. Is not great.
They are good on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
Yeah, you look at how the defense has played better Bears, Dolphins, Vikings, Browns,
Jets is that five game span. Those are not elite
offenses in the National Football League there. I don't think
their defense as good as what they've done the last
five weeks. I do think it's been improved and they
had a lot of new pieces coming together. The worry

(01:30:26):
for me Thursday is how bad the Ravens offense has been,
and it just feels like eventually they're going to get
it figured out. They they use the tight end position,
they put you in one on one situations where you're
asked to make tackles on a Derrick Henry or Lamar Jackson.
That is what worries me. I think the Bengals can
score on Baltimore, I really do. I worry about if

(01:30:48):
this defense can get enough stops against the Ravens.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
I think they can score on Baltimore. By the way,
Jamar Chase was awesome against the Ravens last year. Seven.
Joe Burrow was awesome against them last year. Now, the
question from every game is not so much about Lamar Jackson. Statistically,
it's gonna be fourth quarter. If the Bengals are gonna
win in Baltimore, it's gonna be like last year in
both games in the fourth quarter. Can they avoid mistakes

(01:31:13):
and can they get stops? The answer has been no
all season long. If it's yes on Thursday, yeah, I
do think they have a chance to win. They need
to prove the answer is gonna be yes before I
assume it's gonna be yes. Baltimore moves into a tie
for first place in the AFC North with Pittsburgh. The
Steelers with Mason Rudolph fall to the Bears thirty one
to twenty eight. Mason Rudolph was okay yesterday. Pittsburgh's defense

(01:31:38):
was not. Here's my hot take. Are you ready Steelers
aren't gonna make the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
I'm good with that. It's gotta fall apart.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
It already has.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
If you go to that game yesterday without Rogers and
you say we'll put twenty eight on the board, I
know they had a defensive touchdown. Yeah, you should win
that game against the Bears, giving up thirty one. Shout
out to the Bears eight wins, Jan Johnson finding a
way to do it. Ye, good coaching. That's not as
talented of a roster as a lot of these teams
in the playoff hunt right, great job by Ben Johnson.
Elite coaching, elite scheme has helped the Bears get hot.

(01:32:11):
But yeah, I'm with you. I think the Steelers are done.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Yeah. I think Baltimore's gonna win the division.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
Yeah, Baltimore wins a division. I think Miles Garrett might
have thirty sacks.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
So Cleveland wins. They get ten sacks against the Raiders
yesterday they fired Chip Kelly Vegas does after the game.
Shador Sanders makes a mistake early in the game and
then played okay, completed a deep pass down the field
for fifty two yards. He is gonna play. He's gonna
play this weekend. Browns are three and eight, now tied
with the Bengals. Nobody has a measured take when it

(01:32:45):
comes to Shador Sanders. You know, he's either a victim
who should have been taken number one overall or a
dude who wasn't worth using a draft choice on. I
get the sense from following folks in Cleveland though, that
there was a at least a little bit of a
jolt of energy that went through that team when they
found out he was gonna be there.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
It felt like it. I think he could handle his
postgame press conience a little better. Yes, like that? That
to me, like, just talk about a team win.

Speaker 6 (01:33:11):
M hm.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Like someone put it, he speaks like his father without
the resume of his father.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
Dion's resume backed that up. Shador's got a ways to go.
But I thought it was a good first step. And
I'm telling you this. I think I think Judkins is
going to be a star. And I think they got
it right on the defensive side, like they they drafted well,
they are going to keep improving.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Miles Garrett might be looking seriously football.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
I'll tread a quarterback. I know quarterbacks get love. He's
the most dominant player on this board.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Do you feel sorry for him?

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
No, because he got out he got into.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
The Browns, Bengals and Browns in the regular season finale.

Speaker 4 (01:33:51):
I know this changes week to week. Rams are my
super Bowl favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Yeah, same here, Josh, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
We we I touched on this a little bit yesterday
with you and Ken. If you if you went back
in time and you were on that corner around that
ice chest, and you asked, folks going into that game,
regardless of what happens in the Super Bowl, who's better
set and better equipped for five years from now? One
hundred percent of the people would have said Bengals, you
got Burrow, you got Chase, you got all this Ram picks.

(01:34:19):
And it's like Rams went all in. This is like,
this is it for the Rams. Ye Donald's retired, like
this is it And now we sit here in twenty
twenty five and the Rams have hit on so many
draft picks, low draft picks. Pokadaku is a star. They
made the move to get to Vante Adams, who's now
leading the NFL in touchdown receptions. Stafford's the MVP. They

(01:34:40):
have a coaching advantage in every game that they go in. Like,
it's maddening to me that I sat back at the
Super Bowl years ago and I'm like, oh, enjoy it now, Rams,
because this is it for you, and we're now getting
the seat at the table, and the Rams are right
back at this damn table getting ready to compete, I
think for another championship because I think they're that good.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Oh, Baker Mayfield got hurt trying to throw a hell
Mary on the last play of the game. His left
shoulder was already bothering him, so he didn't play the
second half. That was a very quiet and quick deconstruction
of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last night by the La Ram.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
They hit on it last night on the broadcast as well.
If you dress for the Rams, you're going to play
a meaningful part in the game. Like they just throw
guys in all over on the defense. Yep, they bring
pressures from everywhere. They're rotating all kinds of guys on
the D line. They got guys standing up. It's it's
it is madness. And I think Stafford's got thirty thirty
t d's to two picks. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
A couple of other things really quick. The Indianapolis Colts
had a chance to deliver what might have been a
knockout blow to the Kansas City Chiefs. Had an eleven
point fourth quarter lead. Shane Stiken coach, like Zach Taylor yesterday,
they win the coin flip to start overtime and he
takes the football.

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
What are we doing?

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
And the Chiefs, you know, the rules changed, the Chiefs,
we have a pulse and the Colts lose a game
on New England. The AFC South is suddenly pretty interesting
with Jacksonville, that Texans defense, that's suddenly like a decent division.
But the Colts blew a chance yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
I think the Chiefs with the loss, their playoff chances
would have went to about thirty four percent. Now, Like
it's the same conversation of if they get in, they're
one of the favorites because it's still my homes and
they operated and they're getting healthy. I get it. At
that was a Colt rout scored what fourteen to nothing
after the third quarter. Yeah, can't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
The Texans defense the best in the league right now
or something. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
I was not privy to how dominant they were until
watching them.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
On Thursday night. I think it was eye opening for
a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
It's one thing to sack quarterbacks, it's another thing sack
Josh Allen eight times.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
Like great defense and somehow holding it together with Davis Mills.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
One thing that's not NFL related of the UC segment
last hour Ohio State Michigan this Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
We can say we're in Kentucky. Can you use thet
in northern Kentucky? Okay, Michigan and Ohio State play this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
We talk about coaching scared. I think Ryan Day is
coach scared in that game in recent years. And I
think Ryan Days a heck of a coach. I'm I'm
kind of curious how he approaches the game.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
It doesn't This game doesn't matter anymore because there because
the playoffs are already in the playoffs. Our guy Austin,
he's not even taken. M's out of his profile anymore.
Good doesn't matter anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
Because that means that Austin has grown up.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Doesn't matter anymore. Uh, let me ask Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
At noon on Saturday. If I ask him or any
other Ohio State fan, doesn't matter, the answer ain't gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
No, especially as a nine and a half point favorite, nine.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
And a half point favorite they go to ann Arbor.
I think you will. I think that the conversations, you know,
the conversations about Ryan when they lost that game last
year were boy, you got to move on? Oh yeah,
And then the dude hasn't lost a game since they've.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
Yet to trail in the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
What is said about him if they lay another clunker
in that game?

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
Oh my goodness, well then it fraudulent national title take
it away. They've they've yet to trail in the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
If any team can put any type of in game
pressure on them, what does it look like?

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
Right, that's the only question they have.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Yeah, Julian saying's had a terrific I guess the health
at wide receiver, no doubt about it. But like, and
I think you precautionary against Rutgers. As good as Julian
Saying has been, you know that the first game against
Texas was a little bit hairy, but there just haven't
been many instances where you're like challenged. Mendoza in that
game against Penn State had to take his team down

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the field. Guy makes a remarkable catch in the back
of the end zone. Julian Saying hasn't had to do that. Yeah,
that doesn't mean he hasn't had an awesome season. But
I I love that game because I love rivalries and
I love the emotion that it brings out. Yep, I
think there's gonna be some real unreasonable people. If Ryan

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Day loses that game again.

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
And I like that, it's kind of like just the
the JV tilt before the varsity Yes, noon, Michigan Ohio
State Right three, uc.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
TC rape it off the plate. Then we can all
focus in the get.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
Rid of that game, get rid of all your leftovers,
and then dial in for the Bearcats and the horn Frogs.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Will this be the first time you're back in Fort
Worth since the Fort Worth Bowl twenty one years ago?

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
I think it is. I think it is the ice storm,
the ice storm in Fort Worth. I heard, well, I
almost got kicked off, almost got kicked the roommate.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Former roommate's going to be at the game.

Speaker 4 (01:39:44):
Guy, I hope not all right?

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
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Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
Resh through the day last Angele Tea will be out,
Trey will be out, uh Tas Brooks will be out,
Cam Sample and Samaj. We'll get through the week and
see see where they end up. Obviously Cam is out

(01:45:16):
last game, trying to progress back, same as Samaj. He
had a good week, feels good. We'll just we'll just
take these extra couple days. Where ends up? So there
you go through out. I mean they're yeah, how did
he progress through? Obviously it looks like a hard and
how has he been over these last twenty four hours? Yeah,
I don't want to speak for him. It was obviously
a tough one. So swear the land for any announcement

(01:45:41):
on Joe. I anticipate him playing, but we'll continue to
work through the week. I'm not going to declare that
definitively work through the week coming off an injuries, done
everything he could. He put himself in a position to
do his best to play yesterday, and we'll continue with
that mindset. But he looks like he's in good shap
right now. He'd be ready to go back. All active
is the backup. That's how we go. Yep. If Joe

(01:46:02):
ends up being the starter, then Joe Flack would be
the backup.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Like on a short I mean, how much did you
guys bake that into practice last week?

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
Be a limited week this week to get Joe those
reps last week?

Speaker 5 (01:46:15):
No, I mean really last week. It just fell because
of it was it was easy for us to handle
because Joe Flacco has been limited in practice and so
his schedule had been conducive to Burrow coming in there
and taking all the snaps. So it didn't throw anything
off kilter because that had been our team previously. He
just took a bunch of reps that Jake Browning had
been taken when when Flacco was out. So so from

(01:46:37):
that perspective, it worked out well. We were able to
balance that without disrupting anything. And now you'll go into
just walk through reps, which is really what we're doing
the next two days, so it's nothing physical, walk through
mental reps and getting everybody ready to go play on
yesterday's game fourth and one.

Speaker 12 (01:46:56):
You go through a game like that and go through
the film and everything to talk to your coaches about
being not doing that or going for it and what.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
Could have been handled. It always always you know your
your heart on self when you see the result end
up being what it is. Obviously my mind there We're
going to punt the ball and I'm down in there
and get a stop, get the ball back by the
same position. Didn't work out that way, and so you
just go through the process of of why we do
things the way we do it, and and that was
one that we didn't go for it and it didn't
work out for us. But we always try to rehash

(01:47:28):
all this situational stuff that that we can handle the
same or differently as we afford. What did you rehash
in particular about it? You just follow your process of
of where you're at while you made that decision. And
so that's the decision to make.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
One more injury thing has you've listed Hendrickson has out
or doubtful pretty quickly over the last couple weeks, has
he made any progress?

Speaker 5 (01:47:48):
Still just recovering from the Andrew you know, and so
with a short week, I think it's easy to climb out.
You come through the game, Okay, he did? He did?
You hope be good to go. I know he was
deemed up there for a couple of plays there in
the fourth quarter. But he'll be ready to go for Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
What's the energy like around when you Joe is you know,
when you know that he's going to be playing on Thursday,
in that kind of game, in the kind of environment,
what does that do for.

Speaker 5 (01:48:10):
The locker room? Well, I mean he's he's a great player, obviously,
and so it's exciting to have a back. I think
our energy has been really good. I don't feel like
that's been an issue for us, you know, And you
see the way the team fought there till the very end,
trying to trying to get stops in all three phases
and and score points on offense. And so these guys
fought tooth and nail, played with really good energy. But
obviously when you got one of the greatest players in

(01:48:31):
the world coming back, that's that's another boost on top
of that. And so you know, when we do get
Joe back. It'll be exciting to watch them out there
and play, and I'm sure it's energy for for everybody involved.
Look like first game back hasn't played in a few months.
What do you think that will look like? Difficult, difficult
to predict. You know, it has been several months, and
so again I'm not going to make any predictions on

(01:48:52):
what it looks like. But again, he's he's put himself
in great shape. It's good to see him through the
progression that we've had over the last several weeks. I
think was it was a fair progression for him him
to do the seven on seven, do the eleven on eleven,
get your mind right, try to try to get ready
to play in a game, and then ultimately, well we'll
wait and see where aliens. But I think it's been
a really good progression. It's been helpful for him and

(01:49:13):
done everything he can and we can to get him
ready to go playing a game. What discussions like Jumaine Burton,
because it seems like.

Speaker 13 (01:49:19):
In a game like yesterday, he would have been at
Easton Kennedy to be promoted and tacked it for the
fore of the game.

Speaker 5 (01:49:26):
In the game where you were down a receiver. Yeah,
I mean we were down a receiver. We got Mikeaseki back,
you know, So that's one way to look at it
is we got a tight end BEP that we felt
like it was a good matchup for us, and in
that replace the receiver that we lost.

Speaker 12 (01:49:38):
With Burrow, he's just so good at off script plays.
Do you try to, whenever he comes back, coach him
out of that or do you just have to let
him play?

Speaker 5 (01:49:48):
It's a great question. There's a balance there of obviously
him coming off of injury, you want to be very
mindful of that, and that a lot of that will
be up to him as he as he feels his
pocket movement, in his play style. Those are decisions that
that he's gonna have to feel out as he goes forward.
And sure, i'd love to say, you know, let's let's

(01:50:08):
be productive and and not put him in an environment
where that's gonna happen. But you out there in the
football field, and that's that's why it's gonna take shape,
especially on third downs, especially on non passing situations. We're
a good defense. You know, these guys will do a
lot to disrupt you and throw you off course in
disguise and pressure from different angles, and they got good
players and so you can't it's the NFL. You can't
go out there with with kid gloves on and say

(01:50:30):
we're never gonna let this happen. It's some things are
gonna happen naturally, and it'll be in his hands to
take care of it if he's out there. Over the
last few months in the background, have you made any
tweets kind of the Borough offense and the idea of
helpings to love from Borough comes back or is it
just like normal? Yeah, I mean, like we gain plan
for the teams we're playing against, and you know, it's
a lot of times that's that's the forefront of it,

(01:50:53):
is how do we utilize our weapons and how do
we game plan against the team, you know, for all
the things they're showing us to keep them off off kilter.
So that's always what we balance and that's what we'll
continue to do as we move forward.

Speaker 12 (01:51:06):
You've seen in terms of improvement in the defensive line
over the last couple of games.

Speaker 13 (01:51:10):
Chris Jenkins was telling us that teams that they are
playing faster and more aggressive.

Speaker 5 (01:51:15):
Not thank you as much, You've seen the same thing
I see that too, and we've got a lot of
young players out there that every game is that they're
gaining more experience and they're gaining more confidence and more
cohesion and understanding what we're ask them to do. And
so I've certainly seen that, especially these last two weeks,
You've seen a big step up for a lot of
players and you can feel their confidence level. And obviously
our standard as a team is not near where we

(01:51:37):
want it to be. We want to be playing at
a higher level in all areas, but there are some
things that have been encouraging to what you're mentioned from
Chris that you can feel the confidence from those guys
and they're starting to make plays and starting to believe,
and we'll continue to crease that as move forward. If
you go.

Speaker 13 (01:51:51):
Through your expert carriyas the most efficient you guys have
won the wall, you know since you've been here, Is
there anything anything you can point to do that any element.

Speaker 5 (01:52:02):
I think our line's playing really well. I think they've
done a great job giving us confidence there. I think
Chase and Samaj and Taj have found a good rhythm
behind it are tight ends. Like I think I mentioned
this yesterday, we got a lot of guys on the perimeter,
tight ends, receivers that have bought into and are doing
their part. And you know, the coach has done a
good job with the scheme putting these guys in position.

(01:52:22):
You know, our position coaches and pitch and all those
guys all week are working on that plan and and
something our guys believe in and and so we've had
some some efficiency there, some explosives there, and that's that's
really helped us.

Speaker 12 (01:52:34):
Chase Brown seems to have developed a little bit of
hesitation or a patience. Is that something that you guys
kind of coached into the scheme or is that just
a player rely on on instinct. Well, I think a
little bit of both.

Speaker 5 (01:52:45):
That's you know, Justin Hill goes through all those runs
with those guys and make sure it paints a picture
of what the expectation is and how it fits in
with the scheme, and just the more reps you've gotten
of it, Chase develops a rhythm on how things are
going to hit, the timing of it, and the patience
he can have. And but I think it really starts.
I think I think Justin Hill does a great job
of paying a picture for those guys of what the
look is, we expect, we're we expected to hit the

(01:53:07):
timing of when it is, and there's a lot that
goes into it and certainly help it. Hope it helps
those those backs, you know, as they're getting into a
rhythm we all have prepping for each season going into it.
How much are the conversations all around the building or how.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
Do we you know, with with having a guy like
Burrow in mind, having that caliber quarterback in mind, how
much is that shape kind of all the decisions that
get made over the course of prepping for an individual season.

Speaker 5 (01:53:32):
I guess I don't really think of it there ways,
I don't know how answer.

Speaker 7 (01:53:36):
As Joe Burrow articulated, why it's so important for him
to come back or is it just understood because it's job.

Speaker 5 (01:53:43):
Yeah, that is a great question that I'd rather him answer.
You know, I think when you get an opportunity to
talk to him, is he and I have had conversations
on everything leading up to these weeks and so I'll
leave that to him to better answer. Did you guys
talk much when he was like out out? What were
the conversations like when he was still early? I mean,

(01:54:03):
there was times I would catch him in the weight
room as he's going through his rehead progression. So I
don't I can to find a lot, but we certainly
had several conversations throughout the weeks, and then he started
getting back into full blown meetings, you know, as partners
with them. Teddy's in a boot, so we're not asking
to travel stairs all the time. And then we got
out of that. He became full time back in meetings

(01:54:23):
several weeks ago and he's been back in the picture
ever since. So he and I have had a lot
of dialogue, especially these last probably three weeks, and a
couple more before that when he first come off the
entry Chamar back in the building today?

Speaker 12 (01:54:35):
Is it business as usual?

Speaker 5 (01:54:36):
Were their conversations? Was there contrition on his part? How
does today go? Seeing him? Briefly? And and we're moving
full speed ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
All right, there you go, Zach Taylor. Kind of a
noosy day for Zach Taylor talking about Trey Hendrickson, t
Higgins not playing no Taje Brooks, but acknowledging that they're
anticipating Joe Burrow playing on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:55:07):
Go ahead, T Higgins, Trey Hendrickson. Who are we more
likely to see this year? T?

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Yeah, T, I know what's wrong with him. It's a concussion, now,
you know. I certainly there's different degrees of severity.

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
I'm just thinking of the conversation we had with Joe Burrow.
Do you do you carry that with T Higgins who
had a pretty nasty concussion?

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Yeah, like the core players for next year, the core guys, yes, yep.
There's a lot of dudes on the team right now.
Like I don't care if you play or not, but
but there's like the guys you you need next year.
T is one of those players, correct, So I yes,
I would exercise extreme caution with him because you have
Jermaine Burton.

Speaker 12 (01:55:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
So there you go. We're pretty much done. Tony is
back for Tony Pike since he three sixty at noon tomorrow.
I return at three zero five, broadcasting from a different
establishment again. We're in Westchester next week. We're done here.
Thanks to Mike Mills for producing on site, Tarren Bland
for producing back in Kenwood. Have a great night. Bengals
line is next on the official home of the Bengals,

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