11/26/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show w/ Chad Brendel

Chad Brendel filling in for Mo talks Hunter Greene Trade/Rumors, Bengals vs Ravens on Thanksgiving Night, UC Hoops and much more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
A lot of Thanksgiving Day is about family, food, and
most importantly football. Our beloved Bengals look to roast the
rival Ravens in an AFC North Turkey tussle.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
That reminds me I thought you should know.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I really enjoy a delicious slice of pumpkin pie with
whipped cream. It's Cincinnati versus Baltimore. Evertz begins at four
pm tomorrow, stream for free on the new and improved
iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of
the Cincinnati Bengals, And.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Away we go. It's the mo Egger Show right here
on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm not Mowagger, Chad Brendle
filling in today, taking you into Thanksgiving tomorrow. Thank you

(01:09):
for choosing me appreciate it, especially on a uh bit
of a gloomy Wednesday before Thanksgiving. You head it out tonight.
Do you still do the uh the Turkey day the
night before go out and drink with all the old
high school buddies. I don't not surprising.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Tara and I tend not to go out on nights
that everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Else goes out. Yeah, don't, at least the trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'm good. Like you want to go see a band
play somewhere. You want to like a low key night out, awesome.
You want to go out in the crowded bar where
where everybody's elbow to elbow. That's not my thing anymore.
I had I'd look, I had my glory days. I
made them, most of them. They are also behind me now,

(02:05):
Eye Terran, I've got to remind myself because I can.
I can already foresee a problem tonight, Tarran with jeez.
Usually when I get done here, I just drive straight home.
When I get done here. Tonight at five point thirty, Uh,
I've got to go to UC for the UC Eastern

(02:26):
Michigan basketball game, and I'm going to have to remind
myself that I need to get off at the exit,
the taft exit and go to the game and not
drive home because sometimes I get on an autopilot. Give
me a challenge. I'm just afraid I'm gonna be like
going across the four seventy one bridge.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Like damn it, the only about West.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I mean, it happens every press games, postgame press conference anyway, right,
do you laugh when that happens a little chuckle.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Glad somebody gets a kick out of it.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
We'll make sure you get there because you don't want
to be like someone we talked about earlier.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah no, I mean, look, I go to more than
one out of every five six games. I'm at every game. AnyWho? AnyWho?
We had a lot to get to today. Bengals Ravens
tomorrow night. Will it be the nail in the coffin
essentially mathematically eliminating Cincinnati from the playoffs. Is there a

(03:33):
Joe Burrow run left in him to get this team back?
In contention? Baltimore Buffalo Baltimore. I find it hard to
believe they go three and zero in those games, But
I know there's a lot of consternation over Joe Burrow.
Should he play? Should he not play? And I get it. Initially,

(03:55):
like my initial reaction to this was why Flacco's playing?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Fine?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
What is gained from Joe Burrow coming back in a
season where it's all but inevitable that this team is
not going to run the table just because of the
defense alone, It is not going to run the table
and take them to the playoffs? What do you gain?
But then, you know, the more you really think about it,

(04:26):
the more you really, you know, turn on the logic machine.
There are seven games left in this season. If we
were talking, it's you know, we're going into Christmas. It's
mid November or mid December. There's only two three four
games left and the Bengals are well out of it.

(04:49):
I'd have a different stance. But Joe Burrow is making
over a quarter of a billion dollars to play football
for this franchise, and you're just past the halfway point
in the season, and he's healthy, or he says he's healthy.
I'm a little worried that when they when he was
asked like, are you one hundred percent, he's like, I'm

(05:11):
I'm I feel good enough to win football games. That
is not the answer to that question I would feel
the most comfortable with. But he's a football player. He's
gonna play football. That is what it is. I mean,
he said as much yesterday. And it makes perfect sense
that there's there's no reason you're paying a guy that

(05:34):
much money to be assistant coach Burrow. That's just not
how this stuff works. Now, I'm in for Tony and
Austin on Friday, Taren, I think you are too right,
Like we're together again, yes, like Brownson Arroyo and jtm

(05:57):
Burger's together again. If we're coming out of Thursday Night
and the story is Joe Burrow injured and you know
you have to deal with that backlash, then maybe the
conversation changes. But I'm gonna try my best to stick

(06:18):
to my guns here and say the right thing to
do is to play Joe Burrow. Now, I think it's
a week to week proposition at this point. How far
down the road does he play given whatever the situation is,
Wherever however this plays out, then you have to reevaluate.

(06:39):
But as it stands, yeah, Joe Burrow is your quarterback,
he's the franchise. You don't let a healthy Joe Burrow
watch half of your season, that's dumb. We're gonna talk
some reds as the off season really starts to get

(07:02):
into full swing, and you know there have been this
has been the off season of Hunter Green rumors so far,
and in a perfect world you would just laugh this office,
come on, what are we doing. You got a guy
that's that's still young, that you've got under team control,

(07:25):
that the last two years has had an ERA under three,
and that when he's been on has been one of
the best pitchers in the sport. But what do you
mean they're listening to trade conversations centered around Hunter Green,

(07:49):
and I'm a Hunter Green guy. I like Hunter Green.
I think I have a concern about him staying healthy.
I have a concern that in four years in the
big leagues, he's never pitched over one hundred and fifty
innings that he's pitched. He's started twenty four to twenty

(08:09):
two to twenty six and nineteen games. Generally, you're gonna
get thirty to thirty two starts from a guy that's
healthy throughout the season on average. Right now, Hunter Green
is a guy that misses a month and a half
to two months every season, somewhere in that month and

(08:34):
a half range probably you know more like it. That's
really difficult given the financial constraints that this team has
put on itself. It's very difficult to win that way
when you're best player, the guy that's at the top
of your organization, and you can argue it's him, it's Ellie.

(08:56):
Either way, it's one of those two guys. Your best
pitcher isn't out there for a quarter of the race.
That's really hard to overcome. If you're Cincinnati. Also, we're
looking at a roster that needs probably six seven a

(09:20):
six seven seven. Somebody asked in talkbacks, Tarn if Moe
was doing that on purpose? Have you not noticed Mo
saying six to seven a lot lately?

Speaker 4 (09:30):
No, But it wasn't the problem with you, willis.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I could see him doing it for his daughter, Like
if she's listening, I bet that entertains her. I know
she's not listening now. But but you know, neither here
nor there. The offense needs help. They have roughly twenty

(09:53):
million dollars to spend. From what we've heard, that's going
to include building the majority of your bullpen. That's going
to include needing kind of a utility guy to step
into that Espinol role that you had last year. Sounds
like Jake Fraley's gone. You need to need to replace

(10:17):
it was a failure freedom. Anyhow, You're you're gonna have
to replace probably both of those guys. There's work to
be done on this roster, and the offense isn't good

(10:43):
enough to challenge for a championship. So if that's the case,
you've got to try to make your roster better via
other avenues. If you can't go out and get a
big time bat in free agency. Your most valuable trade piece,

(11:13):
it is Freely, by the way, signed a one year,
three million contract with Tampa Bay. The Reds have given
up on him anyway, So that's that's my bad. There's
been a lot of work this week, tarn I have
not slowed down in like ten days. AnyWho where does this?
Where does this player come from that makes the Reds

(11:34):
offense better? Probably comes from making a move. Where do
you make that move? Who's going to get you the
best offensive player you can get? It's probably going to
be a guy that's got a chance to be one
of the better pitchers in the league, that's on a

(11:56):
team friendly contract and would give you the opportunity to
make a great deal in return. That's Hunter Green. What's
Nicolodolo getting you on the open market?

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Not much.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Maybe Chase Burns would, but there's no chance you're treating
Chase Burns at this stage in his career. So it's Hunter.
Does that mean I want.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Hunter to go?

Speaker 3 (12:28):
No, But it means when I'm looking at what makes
this franchise more viable in twenty twenty six than they
were in twenty twenty five with a lot of changes
to the roster and not a lot of money to
cover those changes. I don't know that there's an answer
other than hunter, does that stink?

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:50):
It does. Does that make me more angry at management
than a management that I'm normally pretty angry about. Yeah,
because they could say we're putting an extra you know,
fifteen to twenty money. I talked about this a couple
of weeks ago. You knew when you when you brought

(13:12):
up this young core that in three four years things
were going to have to pick up as arbitration hit
and as some of these started, guys started getting raises
and the roster became a little bit more expensive. So
instead of taking advantage of the years, it's like the
rookie quarterback deal, right, you knew at some point in

(13:33):
time this is when the rookie quarterback contract ends, and
that you're going to need to spend more money to
be successful. The Reds have said, yeah, I mean, we
knew that, but we didn't plan for it. So we're
going to stay right about where we have been in
payroll and the roster. You know, we'll we'll just pay
Terry Francona to figure that out, which as we saw

(13:57):
last year didn't work, so I don't love the idea
of Hunters probably the one to go if they're going
to make this offense better. But he's probably the one
that needs to go if they're gonna make this offense better.
We'll get to some some uc stuff. Like I said,

(14:18):
we're out of five thirty today, we've got Kegan nickoson
three forty five, Jeff ff Car at four twenty, and
Richard Skinner from Local twelve at about five point fifteen.
So full show ahead, let's get to it. Let's take
a break more after this The Moegger Show hosted by
Not Moegar Sincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. I thought I might

(14:52):
get the new stuff today, Tarren.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Now I haven't found Cleaver.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
I was gonna listen to it on the way. I
haven't had a chance to really like start sit down
and digesting it yet, but boy, have you listened? Did
it get you? With the like the roll call at
the beginning a little bit?

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Dave?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Where's Dave? I was like, damn, well, y'all got to
do me like that? Remember the Tribe did that when
they released the album After five Died Too? Not the
same thing, but like that, that kind of tear jerking
tribute got me, got me. But yeah, I'm looking forward

(15:41):
to uh to diving into the new Dayla. I've heard
very good things, very good things, and I've been a
Dayla guy since. I mean, I wasn't very old in
the late eighties. Arn I wasn't very old. I wasn't
very old in the late eighties. I'm still listening to Dayla.
All right, let's get this show on the road. And

(16:04):
it is officially official, Taran. The Bengals have activated Joe
Burrow to the roster from the reserved injured list. So
he's back. Joe is back, and he's going to start
Thursday night against Baltimore. I commend the Bengals. I don't
do that often. There was an adult in the room

(16:27):
that said, hey, bringing you back Sunday was not a
great idea when you count that there's a four day
turnaround to Baltimore and you're coming back from injury, and
that's just silly. It's unnecessary. So calmer, cooler heads prevailed.

(16:51):
Joe was held out Sunday. Unless something crazy happens, Joe
Burrow is going to be the quarterback Thanksgiving night tomorrow
night in Baltimore against the Ravens. I know the NFL
is very happy about this. It's very happy. Look, that's
the other thing. The NFL does not like its star
players to be healthy. Scratches Terren. That's just silly. And

(17:17):
you know that's what a lot of this comes down to, folks.
Joe Burrow is one of the best players in the NFL.
The NFL, ultimately, at the end of the day, is
an entertainment.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Outlet.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
It's a TV show, especially the way that they get
paid by the TV networks. It's a TV show. And
Joe Burrow says, I don't have any reason to doubt him.
Joe Burrow says he's good to go. He's healthy enough
to win games. And when you're good to go and

(17:53):
you're healthy enough to win games, you know what you're
not gonna do. They're gonna sit out for seven games.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
It's just not.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
It doesn't make financial sense. It doesn't make sense for
the health and development of your roster. Those guys need
Joe Burrow out there. Their best chance to win is
with Joe Burrow. Do I think they should lose all
seven games between now and the end of the season. Yes,
the only way they've proven to draft well is when

(18:27):
they're drafting very early in the draft. It just is
what it is. When they've got a chance to pick
elite players, they've done pretty well at that over the
past fifteen twenty years. Drafting eleventh isn't going to help

(18:48):
this franchise nearly as much as drafting fourth or fifth.
But they got Jamar Chase in the five spot, right
Terren four quarterbacks went and then they took Jamar in
the five spot. Y, you can get a really damn
good player at five, It's a lot harder to find
that player at twelve. That's why I thought the New

(19:09):
England game was perfect. The defense showed some improvement, there
were things to like, there were things to work with.
It looked like there were some things to build upon
against a team that was playing really well. But you
still lose, and you still only have three wins, and
you still find yourself in a better place to get
draft picks, to get better draft picks. Do you want

(19:33):
to you want to do the phones here, Tarn or
you want to take a break.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
We can get time for one call here, all right, We'll.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Get to Mark and Florence Mark, what's up my brother?

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Hey, you was talking about the Rits earlier. Yeah, yeah,
I'm a green being traded. I'd before that if he
could bring me back a guy that can hit twenty
five home runs and give me between ninety and one
hundred RBIs and bad at least two fifty or two sixty,
I'd be interested in that deal. Because he tell he's

(20:05):
always hurt all the time. Has he ever pitched the
full season?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
He has not. The most starts he's ever had was
two years ago. In twenty twenty four, he had twenty
six starts. For point of reference, thirty two is pitching
a full season generally. He only threw one hundred and
fifty innings in his twenty six starts. So while he
is outstanding, there are concerns, and the Reds have told

(20:30):
us they're not gonna sign a big baton free agency.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
Well see, I don't think See that's why I think
fans are getting it wrong. You don't need a big bopper.
You need a guy in the middle of that lineup
that could drive in runs and hit with guys on base.
I mean, twenty to twenty five home runs.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
Is good enough.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Not in this ballpark.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Yeah, you need RBIs. To me, I think you need
RBI's and I'm of the opinion you got to give
up something to get something.

Speaker 7 (21:03):
I heard you want to If you.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
Want a bad in the middle of your lineup, then
you got to give up one of.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Your best pictures.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
You you're not gonna give up. You're not gonna give
up a part time player and get a big bat
in the middle of your lineup.

Speaker 8 (21:17):
It don't work that way.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
You're not trading cars inspires for you know, a thirty
five home run a season guy. That's that doesn't work
that way.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Yeah, so that's my take on it. You know, you
got to give up something to get something. So if
they can get if they can get that in the
middle of their lineup and they have to give up.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Hunter Green, then.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
Hey, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Business is business, brother, Business is business.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
Okay, So I'll get off. Have a happy Thanksgiving, my man,
Chad bro Us.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Mel Mark, thank you so much. All right, let's take
a quick break. We'll get back to the phones right
after this. Since Anty's ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 3 (22:50):
Row right along hour number one. Got a barn burner
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Speaker 4 (23:06):
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Speaker 3 (23:11):
Sixty five sixty five Norse just made it three sixty
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remaining in the game. A lot of good stuff today.
Houston and Notre Dame just tipped off. Boy, if you
haven't had a chance to watch Houston yet, that they're

(23:32):
going to be really good again. Not quite there yet,
but they're gonna be really good. Tennessee and Kansas play today.
Kentucky and Tennessee Tech coming up. That's on thirteen sixty, right, Tarren, Yes,
that's on thirteen sixty. I'll be back on these airwaves
at six thirty five for the Roundtable show with Rocky

(23:53):
and Lance. Auburn Saint John's should be a good one.
Gonzaga Michigan should be a good one. And that's a
nine thirty. Hopefully get to see the end of that
one when I get home. But uh, a lot of
good basketball on today. Let's take a break. We'll talk
to Kegan Nicholson. Let me come back. Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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(24:40):
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Fun, all right, let's get let's get this going with
noted big time E forty fan uh Keenan nickoson a
Bearcat journal dot com. You were listening to E forty
before right before Tarn called.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
You, weren't you?

Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yes, I always have a forty on me like it's
my mini me.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's that sounds about right, Like every time
I see you, you've got.

Speaker 13 (25:41):
A forty two of them taped my hands.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Keegan, it's a uh, it's a big one for Scott
Satderfield on Saturday. Look, I know fans are upset over
the last three weeks, uh that they have not been
able to get that elusive eighth win. How different is
the narrative this offseason with a win Saturday versus a

(26:08):
loss on Saturday.

Speaker 13 (26:11):
I think it's hugely different.

Speaker 8 (26:14):
But I think if they're able to win.

Speaker 13 (26:16):
Saturday, I kind of like their chances.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Of obviously getting a better Bowl game, but also winning
that bowl game because I feel like the mood shift
within the locker room would also be significant, Like that's
I feel like that's something we're not.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Talking about a lot.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
I don't know how much longer he's going to be
able to sell the players on the team about, Hey,
we're building, like we're building towards something. Just stick around,
rebuilding towards something after three years of kind of falling short.
So I think it's huge, and I think that they
should have a good chance to win because they're not
playing one of the best defenses in the Big Twelve,

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and that's not an excuse for them at all. I
think they should have went to and one out of
their last three at the end of the day. But
you know, I think it's it's great for transfer portal
momentum and how guys view the program and how they
could take a step next year. But I think it's
going to be difficult because I think it's gonna be

(27:15):
really hard to get together a better roster talent wise,
than what they had this year.

Speaker 8 (27:20):
Given the resources that they've been given.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
TCUs offense has kind of been hot and cold here
of late. They still have a really good quarterback and
Josh Hoover. They've got a couple really talented wide receivers. Defensively,
how does this stack up for Cincinnati because on paper
it looks like it could be a problem.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
Yeah, I mean defensively for uc I think they're gonna
play it similar to how they played against Baylor. That's
what Scott Sanderfield said on his radio show last night.
So you know, kind of keep tabs on the run,
but they're really devoted to shutting down the pass, which
I think.

Speaker 8 (27:59):
This defense has success in.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
And you know, like we've said, they're from the twenty
to the twenty, they're going to be able to move
the ball. But then what happens in the red area
or in the red zone, like are your forcing field
goals or are you giving up field goals?

Speaker 8 (28:13):
Because you've also seen.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
And versally how that impacts the offense, Like if you
give up field goals, the offense is playing with confidence
to give up touchdowns, and the offense starts the press
to play calling gets a little bit conservative maybe, and
then the mistakes happen. So I think this game could
be decided in the first quarter. TCU has struggled to

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score in the first quarter. I just got done talking
with Jamie Plunkett, who covers tc for two four seven,
and I think the Houston game was.

Speaker 13 (28:44):
The first time they'd scored in the first quarter out
of their last seven contests.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
So if you can keep them off the scoreboard in
those first fifteen minutes and you can take maybe a
two possession lead, I think force TCU to play from behind.
Josh hoovers from thirteen interceptions this year, so you see
show have a really good chance to do something they've
done so few times this.

Speaker 8 (29:05):
Year and for some turnovers.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
There's been a lot of talk about Brendan soaresby He
didn't play well against Utah, didn't play all that well
against Arizona. I thought he bounced back pretty well against BYU.
How important is this week for him, just emotionally, maybe
even to go home to play in front of family,
to play well and get this team back in the

(29:29):
wing column.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
Yeah, I think it's hugely important.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
I've seen some tweets about like this is how he's
played when they've lost and he hasn't played well, and
I'm like, well, yeah, that's how the quarterback plays is
pretty linear to winning and losing games, especially in the
Big Twelve, Like if your quarterback.

Speaker 8 (29:50):
Isn't playing well, they're going to lose. And at this
point they've only lost four games.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
But I also feel like he doesn't have a ton
to prove to really anyone besides maybe scouts. I think
he's done more than what people have expected him to do.
What you see, he still makes really really good throws,
sure the anticipation, quick release.

Speaker 8 (30:11):
He's been a really good leader.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
So I think it's big for him personally because this
is where he's from. He's gonna have a ton of
people there watching him and just to make his hometown proud.
But you know, I think, like you said, he didn't
play good against Utah, and he didn't play good against Arizona,
but played really good against Baylor. Three hundred yards, sixty
six percent of his passes were completed, made some big throws,

(30:36):
So I'm looking for him to really bounce back against
the defense.

Speaker 8 (30:39):
That kind of sets up for him to have a
lot of success.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
For Scott Saderfield alone, how much goodwill does eight and four,
eight and four by over seven and five as we
go into yeah, pivotal offseason for the coach.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
I think eight and four gets kind of like a okay,
good work. You know you were on track to being
the Big twelve championship, but you know.

Speaker 8 (31:06):
You felt short.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
This is some good momentum for next season versus seven
and five is basically continued, like apathy from the fan
base and a lot of people were kind of saying,
you know, this is a bad year, Like it's a
disappointing year. I'm not going to get to the point
where I say it's a failure. But based on how
you started the season, based off how you sold this

(31:27):
roster to everyone, you should have finished better than seven
and five.

Speaker 8 (31:32):
And coming into the year, I.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
Thought seven and five was their floor and nine and
three was maybe their ceiling. And then they start playing
and you're thinking, okay, like ten and two is really
in the cards.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
Especially that was just why you at home?

Speaker 4 (31:45):
That was just you.

Speaker 8 (31:46):
Yeah, that was just me everyone else because they're perpetually negative.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
I predicted seven and five.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
Okay, So I mean I started the season nine and oh,
I'm like you did, so I kind of know what
I'm talking about a little bit, but yeah, I just think.

Speaker 8 (32:09):
It's it's a It's a pretty big difference.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Even though it's just one game, and I think the
bowl game that they can get in and if they
can win is it's not the difference in the end
of the season.

Speaker 8 (32:24):
Perception is much more decided.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
By this game than whatever they do in the bowl
game because of how many factors there are in that.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Look, let's just be honest. A win means it's more
likely they go to the Pop Tarts Bowl, and that's
really all any of us want.

Speaker 8 (32:38):
You don't I want to go to Shreport. I've never
been to Shreveport before.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
I'll send you to Shrepport one way ticket, Kegan one
way ticket to Shreamport. Basketball wise, what can we look
for tonight against Eastern Michigan? Is a Moni bait still there?

Speaker 4 (32:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (32:57):
I don't think so.

Speaker 13 (32:59):
I think he was.

Speaker 8 (33:01):
Last time I heard his name he was on.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
The Cavs G League team, So I don't really know
what he's up to. The biggest thing I'm looking for
would be Seanabayev. I think what he showed as an
offensive ALPHA against nj.

Speaker 8 (33:16):
T was pretty impressive.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
He's he was an alpha when he stepped on campus
in terms of his offensive play, but actually being able
to exercise that with Boba Miller out was good to see.

Speaker 8 (33:28):
And then I'm also looking at Jordi Rodriguez. Is he
able to stack some games.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
And show Wes Miller but he can be that consistent
part of the rotation. And I think more important than
you know making three or four threes is how he
competes defensively and going after loose balls, which he did
against nj T. So you know, I'm also looking what
are they doing with bobon Miller. But to be perfectly honest,

(33:52):
I'd be shocked if he played. Given west Miller's comments
after the game on Monday, and given the context of
you have Xavier at the end of next week, I think.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
There's probably a better chance Wes Miller lets you suit
up over putting bobbon Miller out there tonight. You ready
to go? No, you're not ready to go.

Speaker 8 (34:15):
No, I'm not ready to go.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
But what would you play the three?

Speaker 4 (34:19):
The two?

Speaker 5 (34:21):
I would probably just play a really really physical four
in just.

Speaker 8 (34:24):
Throw elbows and pick up fowls. See if I can
knock somebody out of the game.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
You're one of the old Kelvin Samson, John Cheney goons.
Just this guy's got five thousand, he's gonna go use them.

Speaker 13 (34:36):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, man.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
It is h it is always a pleasure and uh,
looking forward to seeing you tonight. What what's your We're
gonna get to this in a minute. What's your take
on Thanksgiving sides? Kean?

Speaker 13 (34:53):
My take on Thanksgiving sides?

Speaker 8 (34:56):
Is it all?

Speaker 5 (34:57):
It starts with green bean cast A good green bean
casserole can make or.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
Break a Thanksgiving. And then you put the mashed.

Speaker 13 (35:05):
Potatoes next to it, you put the dinner roll, and.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Then you have turkey, and then you coat the entire
plate in gravy, and then you you go get another
dinner roll, and you sop up all the gravy with.

Speaker 8 (35:18):
The dinner roll. And that's it. How many of you
do that two or three more times?

Speaker 3 (35:23):
How many times a year do you eat green bean casserole?

Speaker 8 (35:29):
How many times a year do you eat pulled ham?

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I eat ham a lot. I mean I don't need
pork shoulder a couple of times a year. The pulled
ham is just because I got tired of doing regular ham,
and I eat regular ham all the time. You didn't
answer the question how many times a year do you
eat green bean casserole?

Speaker 5 (35:53):
I don't exactly know what a straw man argument is,
but I feel.

Speaker 8 (35:56):
Like this is one of those.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Not I think it's it's a very hurting an argument.
If you loved green bean casserole at some time in March,
you would be like, you know what sounds good? I'm
a rock some green bean casserole tonight, and from now.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
On I'm just gonna like post on Twitter whenever I
make it, so you can stop making a stupid argument.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I mean, I'm not wrong. You don't make it and
you only have it once a year? Right or wrong? Kigan,
how many times a year do you eat green bean casserole.

Speaker 8 (36:25):
Once?

Speaker 3 (36:27):
If it was good, you'd need it more than once.
That's all I'm saying. That's my only argument.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
My taste buds have no freedom of speech.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
All right, man, I'll see you tonight.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (36:42):
All right, there you go, Kay Nicholson forty two. You
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Can you imagine that Tarren having me is your boss.
That sounds terrible. Take a break number two right after
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(37:04):
to six right, yes, six o'clock. Okay, I was wrong
about the five thirty thing. I thought it was only
five thirty.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
But we're headed it off to Lance and Rocky for
a Bingals round table.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
All right, let's take a break. Hour number two coming up.
Since at E'SESPN fifteen thirty, What are your tail getting?

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Thanksgiving Day is about family food and most importantly football,
armyloves Bengals look to roast the Rivalryvens in an AFC
North Turkey tussle.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
That reminds me I thought you should know.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I really enjoy a delicious slice of punkin pie with
whipped cream. It's Cincinnati versus Baltimore. Coverage begins at four
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Speaker 3 (38:07):
There we go, Hour number two, full show. I was
wrong before. We're not out of five thirty. Kentucky Basketball's
on thirteen sixty, right, Taren, So if you're looking for
that conbine, it there five thirty. Thank you for choosing me.

(38:29):
We've got Jeff F. Carr from Locked on Reds coming
up here in about ten twelve minutes. Continue the Reds
conversation around Hunter Green, and to this point it's just
been rumors. But when you hear the rumor over and

(38:50):
over and over again and it keeps coming up in
multiple situations, you have to think there's some validity to
the Reds shopping Hunter Green. The Bengals injury report is out.
TODs Brooks ruled out with the concussion, t Higgins out
with a concussion, can sample questionable with an oblique Jermaine

(39:14):
Burton out with an angle injury. Burton was not on
the injury report yesterday. Goes from not on the injury
report to out, so I have to assume that was
something in practice yesterday. And once again Trey Hendrickson out
with a hip slash pelvis injury. Look it sounds painful,

(39:36):
I get it. I'm not saying Trey Hendrickson is healthy
and could be playing but is not playing. What I
am saying is there's a reason that, as a pretty
long standing philosophy now from this Bengals organization, they do

(39:57):
not like paying guys into their thirties, largely because that's
when careers tend to start flaming out. Trey Hendrickson has
been essentially a complete non factor this year. The Bengals

(40:20):
gave him what an extra fifteen million somewhere in that range,
pretty much doubled his salary for this season for him
to be the staple, the foundational piece of this defense.
And he's been hurt for most of the season. And

(40:40):
there are many that will tell you they do not
think we will see Trey Hendrickson back this year. And
if that's the case, if you're the Bengals front office
outside of Joe Burrow, essentially, why would you ever come
off of that philosophe with what's happened with Trey Hendrickson.

(41:03):
He has been nothing but a distraction for two years
off the field, and you paid him his money. You
brought him back because you believed he was going to
be the cornerstone of a young defense that needed a star.

(41:25):
He has not been available. You have not been able
to put Trey Hendrickson out there in some of these games,
some of these close games where maybe you could have
closed it out with a sack, Maybe you just needed
one more play, one more stop, and the guy that

(41:46):
you paid to get it there, to get the team
across the finish line a couple times in a regular
season has not been available. Injuries happened in the NFL.
I get it. But that's why the Bengals philosophy has
been the Bengals philosophy, get in and get out by

(42:12):
the time the guy's thirty, and move on. They did
not move on from Trey Hendrickson. If you asked me,
they should have traded Trey Hendrickson. Nobody asked me, so
they didn't. And as a result, that's a whole lot
of money that's not being used, that's not on the

(42:33):
field helping the Bengals win football games. Back to the Reds.
The Hunter Green thing. It's not that I dislike Hunter
Green because it just the raw numbers. Twenty twenty four,
two seventy five ERA excellent walk to strikeout ratio ops

(43:01):
allowed the last two years is ops allowed five eighty
one in twenty twenty four, six fourteen in twenty twenty five,
two eighty one ERA two ninety three or excuse me, uh,
two seventy five ERA two seventy six er. He's a

(43:22):
guy that if you have him at the top of
your rotation, you're pretty confident when he's out there that
you're gonna get a quality performance, that you're going to
get a reliable, consistent six seven innings, two runs. But

(43:46):
he has not been able to be out there all
the time. He only started nineteen games in twenty twenty five.
How much different does this look if Hunter Green starts
thirteen more games, ten more games, twelve more games games.
How much different of a position are the Reds in

(44:06):
coming down the stretch. Maybe they don't have to play
the Dodgers in that first round of the playoffs if
Hunter Green stays healthy. This is the thing that has
concerned me with Hunter Green all along. Twenty twenty two,
one hundred and twenty five innings pitched, twenty twenty three,

(44:29):
one hundred and twelve, twenty twenty four, one hundred and fifty,
twenty twenty five, one hundred and seven. I know it's
not you know, the mid eighties anymore, where guys were
going two hundred plus innings, But my goodness, if you
can't get to one seventy one seventy five consistently, it's

(44:54):
it's really hard when you're the ace, when you're the stopper,
when you're the the guy that the team is counting
on every five days. We know this guy is gonna
go out there, and our chances of winning are shooting
way up. And in a franchise that's looking for help

(45:14):
on the offensive end and doesn't allocate the money to
go out and get somebody on the open market, you've
got a deal from within. You've got to make your
offense better from within. The only guy on this roster
you're not trading Eli Da La Cruz. The only guy
on this roster that truly could get you something of value,

(45:39):
it's probably Hunter Green. So well, I wouldn't feel great
if in a you know, two weeks, we wake up
and the Reds have traded Hunter Green. I would understand it.
I would look at it and go, well, let's see

(45:59):
what they got, let's see how it makes the offense better,
and let's play it out going forward. Just take a break.
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Speaker 3 (47:10):
Football in the NATTI. We've got Jack F. F. Carr
coming up to talk some reds here in this segment,
but we will do a little football with the injury
report that just came out. Tosbrooks out, Jermaine Burton out,
Trey Hendrickson out, T Higgins out, cam sample questionable for
tomorrow night, Thursday Night against the Ravens. Taring that does this?

(47:35):
Are you excited to have the Bengals on Thursday night?
Do you do you like that? I know you don't
like him, probably because you got to come in and
run the game.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Yeah, personally, no.

Speaker 8 (47:49):
To me.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Like now, I'm probably gonna have to stay at like
my cousin's house and like until late because I've got
I'm in for for Tony and Austin. But can I
sneak out at halftime? You think halftime's the right time to, like,
all right, gotta go home and get ready to you know,
get the show ready. I think that's fair.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
That's fair. You got to get up and work next day.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah, most everybody else can be off. I've got work
to do. I'm gonna have to go home and pay
intent close attention, hopefully to the second half. Hopefully it's
not done at halftime. We've seen a couple of those.
But anyway, let's get out to Jeff ff car locked
on RADS. Jeff, one of my main topics today has

(48:40):
been Hunter Green and the rumors surrounding Hunter Green. Do
you think there's legitimacy to the fact that we continue
and welcome in Happy Thanksgiving?

Speaker 4 (48:50):
How are you happy Thanksgiving? To you too? Doing good?

Speaker 14 (48:53):
I'm looking forward to the trip to fan induced coma
that I'll be trying to watch the Bengals Game three.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to fight it. I've got you know,
I've got big boy responsibilities, Jeff, I got to be
in here, and I've got to be Tony and Austin
on Friday.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Fan and you know other other influences. Right.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
But I'm not I'm not gonna have any alcohol because
then I'll think I'm not a one drink guy. Jeff
and some people can just have one drink and like
be good.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
That's not me. It's understandable once.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
I turn up, I turn up, it's easier for me
to just not start. But Hunter Green, when you hear
these rumors continue, does it does it seem like it's
more than just people speculating? Does it feel like there's
actual legitimacy to the Reds are looking into trading? Hunter Green?

Speaker 4 (49:49):
I I am. I was surprised.

Speaker 14 (49:51):
I'll say this like, the question was very poignant from
Mark Sheldon that really started all of this. This wasn't
like a John Hayman middle of this December fever tweet
to get everybody going. This was actually a question that
Mark Sheldon asked specifically to Nick Krawl and he did
a Reddit ama the other day that was very illuminating

(50:14):
where he not only doubled down, but tripled down with
this rumor, or at least the reports of these rumors
where like, you know, somebody asked him point plank, They're like,
why did you start this rumor? And he's like, I
didn't start the rumor. I reported on what I heard
from multiple people within the organization. Yeah, They're like, Okay,
there's there is validity to this. Now, based on what

(50:38):
Nick Krawl should be looking for and based on what
I think other teams are probably offering, isn't likely to happen.
I still think that there's a good chance that Hunter
Green is our opening to a starter, because I think
Nick Krawl should be asking for the moon and the stars.
But at the same time, like, is somebody gonna budget

(50:59):
and offer that to them?

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (51:00):
Like I felt like the Red Sox were a pretty
good destination if this trade roumor really had a lot
of weight to it, and with them getting Sunny Gray,
I think that takes them out of that.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Who else would be possible, maybe.

Speaker 14 (51:15):
Not the usual suspects New York Los Angeles. There's not
a lot of other teams whose farm system is deep enough,
whose outfield is deep enough. Because one of the reasons
that I had circled Boston is that it's very widely
known that the Red Sox feel they have too many
outfielders and they were looking to move one of them.

(51:38):
And then they also have some pitching prospects that they
could backload. But I think it's intriguing because a lot
of what we have heard based on the reasoning why
the Reds are even one team to entertain such a
notion is very lupidancic esque, and we know how that
turned out for Nico Harris.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah, I don't think I'm ready to put Hunter Green
in the Luca conversation though.

Speaker 14 (52:04):
It's a lot of a lot of off field like, well,
is he want it? Yeah, Like it's a lot of like, Okay,
this sounds like there's not a lot of I don't
think there's a lot of weight behind it.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I guess the one thing that stands out to me, Jeff,
is they need offense. They need a bat, like they
desperately need a reliable bat. The fact that they haven't
had a thirty home run guy and how long in
that ballpark is incredible. Like the next thirty home run
guy at Great American Ballpark might be Adam Dunn's kid,

(52:39):
and he's like, what a junior in high school like,
it's embarrassing that they play in a ballpark like they do,
and they have not been able to draft and develop
and move up a guy or find a guy wherever
in the the talent acquisition periods did thirty home runs
in this ballpark And it shouldn't be that hard. It

(53:01):
should be relatively easy. But I digress that have twenty
million dollars to spend a lot of that money is
going to go into the bullpen. There are other needs
that they are not gonna have the money to go
out and get a guy that you I don't think
in free agency that you feel comfortable going, all right,
you're our right fielder and you're gonna hit thirty two

(53:22):
home runs this year. So then you have to look
inward and say they're gonna have to maybe do that
from within. And the only guy that gets you there
is Hunter Green, isn't.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
It if you're looking for the trade?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
I think so, yeah, I'm talking about the trade. Like
why we're talking about the trade right right?

Speaker 4 (53:42):
I mean I could see it.

Speaker 14 (53:44):
I could also see that being any one of the
starting pitchers. Brady Singer probably a little bit less so
because he only has one year of team control left.
But like the questions that would be asked of Hunter
Green are the same questions that would be asked to
Nicoletel and Andrew But those guys actually made more starts
than he did a year ago, and so you could

(54:04):
even maybe argue more to the positive on their durability
when it comes to trade negotiations. But I honestly don't
understand why they feel as though the majority of that budget,
to perceived twenty to twenty five or fifteen or whatever
the number is, has to go to the bullpen. This

(54:25):
team is a pitching factory. They have set themselves up
that way. This organization is build your bullpen from within
and address the bat in the free agent market where
there is some options you've got. Of course, the guy
that we all know isn't coming here because the resid
will never offer.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Him enough money.

Speaker 14 (54:43):
But then there's other guys who fall within that number
that could work. A Dully Scarcia who was just non
tendered by the Texas Rangers. You could look at Ryan O'Hearn,
who for the last three years has been a better
hitter than anybody in this lineup. Albeit he's not a
thirty homer guy, but he's the kind of guy that
is a very complete hitter, and you could put it

(55:05):
in the middle of the lineup and he would be
lineup protection for Eli de la Cruz, and then Eli
de la Cruz would be your thirty homer guy. And
I really feel like spending twenty million dollars on a
bullpen to get the bullpen back to, if not slightly
better than where it was last year, doesn't move the
needle near as much as fixing this lineup.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
And look, I'm not saying spend twenty on the bullpen,
but they're probably gonna have to spend at least ten
to twelve, aren't they.

Speaker 14 (55:33):
I would really hope it'd be like fifteen million on
the lineup, twelve to fifteen million on the lineup, and then.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Like five million on the bullpen.

Speaker 14 (55:42):
Because I feel like there's a couple of guys out
there bargain deals. I'd rather, let's let's put it this way,
I'd rather than get a bargain bullpen arm than a
bargain lineup.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Guy, because we've seen that the last couple of years.
It doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
No, Mike Mustakis Jamer Candelario, Austin and Hayes. Yeah, there's
a lot of They've spent a lot of They've caught
a lot of money on fire trying to shop in
the like scratching dent Ben.

Speaker 14 (56:13):
Yeah, they've they've bought the great value electronics to fill
in the area where they just should have got Sony
like get.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
There's been a lot of buy buy as is right,
no returns.

Speaker 14 (56:30):
Yeah, the marketplace has been perused to its max by
the Reds front office. When you start shopping in better areas.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Do they have enough young arms that could populate the bullpen?
And because I think the concern for there is they're
losing a lot of innings and I don't know that
you want to count on young guys like you're running
them out there seventy four times over one hundred and
eighty two game season.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
So I think that you can bump up.

Speaker 14 (57:01):
And I thought the conversation with Derek Johnson on the
red sot Stowvey Show last night or sorry two nights
ago was very illuminating in that, you know, he revealed
that if there were no moves to be made, the
closer competition is between Tony Santion, Graham Ashcraft, and Connor Phillips.

(57:22):
So that's your a group right now, and I feel
pretty good about that a group. I mean, Connor Phillips
struck out eleven and a half per nine last year,
albeit he only did in twenty five innings, but I
think that you could easily see that just continue. I
really like his stuff, and I really like his mental
approach to the game. I think it has matured a

(57:43):
lot more from where he was in twenty twenty three
in all of the you know, the desert that he
went through in twenty twenty four to come back. He
was a non factor at the beginning of last year,
nobody had any expectations of him, and now the pitching
coordinator for the organization is topalking about him as one of.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
The top three arms in this bullpen.

Speaker 14 (58:03):
And so I think that you've got those two guys
who slot in to Graham or you know, Graham Ashcraft
and Connor Phillips slot into whatever roles Emilia Pagan and
Scott Barlow vacate, and maybe Tony Santion's the guy that's
getting more saves than any of those three guys.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Fine with that.

Speaker 14 (58:22):
The one thing that I worry about with him is
you know, the year after throwing eighty ball games. I'm
a little leary of his durability, But at the same time,
like I feel good about that top three good enough
that you could look at guys like maybe moving to
Julian Agiar to the bullpen, coming off with Tommy John
just to make sure that his arm responds correctly one

(58:44):
year after a major surgery, probably the same for Brandon Williamson.
And then if you keep them stretched out in spring training,
you could kind of do the whole Nick Martinez thing
where they go between the lineup, or they go between
the rotation, they go between the bullpen.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
I think that the bullpen just has enough arms.

Speaker 14 (58:59):
And then of course Louis Maxwell those guys that you
can fill from within, and they kept saying, mall who
got to help us? If last year was not the
bottom of the barrel for him? Yeah, I think he
bounces back a little bit. But ultimately I think that
you can see a better bullpen with what they have
in house. Then you can see a better lineup than

(59:22):
if they just run back what they have.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
In the house.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
How do you handle are we past Ellie wanting to
play one hundred and sixty two games. Like he checked
that off. We don't have to worry about that anymore.
He can dh from time to time, he can take
a day off when he needs to take a day off,
like this entire thing last year that Ellie has to
play one sixty two and he has to do it
at shortstop. I have a hard time when you look

(59:45):
at his numbers from you know, the All Star break
to the end of the season. I have a hard
time believing giving him a rest at some point couldn't
have resulted in a couple more wins along the way
because he just didn't do much at all for those
final two and a half months.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Yep, he got the merit badge. We're good.

Speaker 14 (01:00:05):
That should never happen again, and especially you know, whether
you call it a partial tear or a strain, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
The same thing, same thing, it's the same thing.

Speaker 14 (01:00:16):
So the guy should have taken some time off to
rest that, get healthy and get back out there. Who knows,
he might have been better than what we saw, because
quite frankly, I don't know how he could have been worse.
He had a really, really rough final two months of
the season because he was a guy that was on
pace for thirty home runs. I mean, what he did
before the All Star break was fantastic. So hopefully we

(01:00:37):
get that version of Ellie back, and I trust that
more than I trust the final two months with one leg.
But no, he's absolutely got to be and we're not
talking about he's got to set out twenty or thirty games. Oh,
just pick a week here or there where you can,
you know, couple it together with an off day and
off day Thursday or whatever that day is off day, Monday,

(01:00:59):
and just have him take the game off right before
that off day and then boom, two off days in
a row. He's good to go and refreshed. Because it
was true. It was it was clear that even if
the quad injury toward the end of September started to
look like maybe it was healing a little bit, even
that version of Ellie just was exhausted to the point

(01:01:20):
that whatever healthiness he was at, he was nowhere near
as effective as he was before the All Star Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah, it's you cannot send your best player out there.
I like him it to like a like a cell phone. Right,
like he had the quad injury, he was down at
like you know, fifty seven percent. You got plug that
thing in for a little while, get him back up
to eighty percent, and then go from there.

Speaker 14 (01:01:47):
It's it's unthinkable to think that a Cincinnati professional sports
franchise would run their guy out there even when they
know that there's a really bad chance that things could
go even worse for them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Nobody does. Nobody else would now, nobody would do that.
Speaking of Bengals, Ravens, Jeff, where like, where is your
confidence level at this? At this you know, we're what
we're three months from the start of spring training, two

(01:02:20):
and a half months from the start of spring training.
Where is your confidence level at that this is going
to be a playoff caliber team? When when they get
out to Arizona to start the twenty twenty six season.

Speaker 14 (01:02:35):
I would say, I'd say, right now, without knowing if
there is going to be any moves or anything like that, yeah,
my confidence level is at about sixty percent.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
That's pretty love for you.

Speaker 14 (01:02:46):
I still think that this is a good enough team
to win eighty two to eighty three games. But then
they're betting on another Mets situation, and that's I mean,
that's just a bad bet.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
You can't you can't you're not gonna get in the
playoffs with eighty three wins. It happens like once a decade. Yeah,
you can't expect that. So go out and make a
couple of moves. You could see eighty five eighty six wins.
The Cardinals are handing the rest of the NL Central
this year. The Cardinals are saying, we are done this year.
We're not gonna compete this year. We're gonna rebuild this year.

(01:03:20):
They're looking to get rid of Ernado. They're probably gonna
get rid of Brendan Donovan, might even trade Nolan Gorman.
They might have you and me in their lineup with
let's go I'm ready next year. I'm ready.

Speaker 14 (01:03:32):
So they're saying that they're taking themselves out of the running.
So you have one less team to worry about. So
it's not as if you have to go retool your
entire team. Just go get a couple of pieces and
make sure that those pieces are not you know, he's
thirty five, he was really good when he was twenty six,
last six years and he's gonna be okay. Now, don't

(01:03:54):
do that. Ye just go get me somebody that's legit,
and it doesn't have to be a thirty million a year.
There's plenty of guys.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Out there, all right, man, Where can they find you?

Speaker 14 (01:04:04):
They can find locked on reds everywhere you get your podcasts,
including the iHeartRadio app, and you can follow me on
Twitter at Jeff car with three fs. I'm also on
TikTok too. I just haven't done a red TikTok in
a while because, I mean, what are we going to
talk about?

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
You know, like the rumors and stuff. You know, we
talk about that a lot on the show. That's what
the show is for. I appreciate you, man, We'll talk soon. Thanks, Jed,
appreciate you. Hey go, let's take a break more after
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Mike in that way, Mike, what's your what's your take
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Speaker 7 (01:05:54):
I'm sorry I couldn't hear.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
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Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Mike?

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
You a big scarface guy, bush Bill.

Speaker 7 (01:06:02):
I'm more scarface.

Speaker 8 (01:06:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:06):
I haven't asked Karen. I haven't asked you to play
me a bumper for a long time, and I think
I asked you this one full five years ago.

Speaker 15 (01:06:13):
Man. Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
The Chambers Brothers, you guys probably don't remember them. They
were very popular in the seventies. I saw him o
a Holly Eva beats on a north Shore wall who
at a concert that Boss Gaggs was the headliner and
the Chambers brother and they had a famous song called
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out on one of these bumpers. It's a great It's
such a cool song, man, really a good song. This
guy's got a deep voice and he is all business
and it is really good. So I would appreciate. I
got a big surgery coming up Friday, So do your
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Speaker 8 (01:06:56):
Come on, man, look me up, Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
We got let's talk some sports. Mike, we're running. We're
tight on the clock.

Speaker 7 (01:07:02):
Oh you're always cutting on a damn clock.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I talked too much, Mike. I talked too much.

Speaker 7 (01:07:08):
Hey, Alabama, I'll tell you this Alabama basketball team everything,
there's no I've never seen a team that played has
played a tougher schedule so far this season in Alabama,
they played everybody that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
It seems like the NATO certainly is like, hey, bring
it on, and and he's got the team for it.
La Baron Pylon is incredible, like just an unbelievable talent.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
And you still think your guy from Houston's the best
point guard?

Speaker 15 (01:07:37):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:07:37):
I think Brandon Smith is Brandon Smith is from I
think Brandon Smith better, haven't. I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
I don't think I said Uzzon's the best point guard
in the country. I think he's he's up there, he's outstanding.
He's not the best guard at Houston. Did you have
you seen Houston?

Speaker 7 (01:07:57):
Yeah, watching him get beat last night.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Kingston Flemys as a stud Yeah, he.

Speaker 7 (01:08:03):
Was very impressive. You're right, Hey, Before I forget, let
me ask you this, this kid.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
From Louisville, Michael Brown.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
Yeah, what do you think of him? Because the one
dude that was the analyst, he said, this guy is
as a freshman, is going to be the best play
what's your opinion of me, chick.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
He's going to be incredible. I don't know if you.
I have Mike de Corsi on preview in the game
last week, and Mike de Corsi said he reminds him
of a better at the same stage, a better version
of Tyrese Halliburt and Shay Gildess Alexander.

Speaker 7 (01:08:37):
Yeah, that's where I heard it. Thanks to you, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
So that's what I'm here for. Mike, bring the knowledge. No,
I love mikeel Brown. He didn't play well that night.
Cincinnati's defense gave him some fits. He's still at twenty two. Yeah,
that's you know'd. I'd love to not now not perform
well at my job and still be that good and.

Speaker 7 (01:09:04):
Still be in a yeah. Yeah, plus, yeah, I got you.
They get in the football for not the bank.

Speaker 15 (01:09:11):
Well.

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
I appreciated the Reds talk, but I just don't know
what to say about him anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:09:15):
I'm kind of with you.

Speaker 7 (01:09:16):
I'm kind of lost. What do you do now? You
got to get rid of something or you're not going
to get anything since you can't spend there don't want
to spend any mind.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
They choose not to. They can, they choose not to.

Speaker 7 (01:09:27):
Yeah, and you explain why because there's too many cooks
in the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Yeah, it's an ownership group of like twelve people.

Speaker 7 (01:09:36):
That's crazy. I can't even believe it. Okay, I think
right now, just see if you and Karen agree. I
think right now the Rams right now are the best
team in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
I think they're They're certainly right there at the top
of the food chain. I think the NFC is the
best conference this year, and I think right now the
to look like the best team in the NFC.

Speaker 7 (01:10:02):
You know, you know, Stafford didn't play one down in
the preseason because he has herniated this and maybe he's
on maybe they're onto something. But I think McVeigh has
passed Andy Reid is the best coach in the NFL
because they kick it in the fifth, sixth, and seventh
round with these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Shit, yeah, I mean the Chiefs have done that. It's
it's cyclical. So Andy Reid, could you know three weeks
from now we could be saying the same thing that
Andy Reid. But Tarren yelling in my ear mic and
I gotta go. Okay, Thanks Mike. I'll talk to you Monday.
Carl Friday, have a good Thanksgiving? All right, sounds good.

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Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
There we go our number three, leading you into uh
the Turkey Bash Night, Amateur Night. Thank you for choosing me.
It's been It's been a lot of fun today. As

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we we get into our number three, and then I
make the uh do I get the helicopter? Tarin and
Mo took the helicopter on Monday? Does the the help
doesn't get the helicopter?

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
I mean usually play a seven. You can get there
in an hour?

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Well, because I don't have to set up the pregame show.
Then I don't get the helicopter. Probably that's crap. The
guy that knows about all the perks and benefits of
the radio industry that some people getting. Some people don't.
Let's go after Richard Skinner from Local Skinny. They didn't
let you have the helicopter ever, either, did they?

Speaker 7 (01:13:15):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:13:16):
I never.

Speaker 7 (01:13:16):
I don't even think I got the truck. I got
to pick up truck.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
They put you in the back, in the bed exactly exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:13:24):
Yeah, I didn't get that kind of treatment.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Can you imagine what the reaction would be now if
somebody saw somebody riding in a truck bed down the highway.

Speaker 7 (01:13:34):
She'dn't wonder where they're from. That's what you'd wonder.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
I mean, that was just what we did. My dad
had a Mazda. I was in that I mean even
like he had an extended cab. There was a back
seat in his truck. And still me and my friends
were in the back of that truck like for everywhere
that we went.

Speaker 15 (01:13:51):
I mean, dude, I grew up in an hero or
where I can remember my sister and I sitting in
the front seat with my dad come up to cut
in the hill and somehow swerve in the miss car.
This is about nineteen, probably seventy. And of course none
of us wearing seatbelts now the time, because no one
wore seatbelts at the time because.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
They weren't in the car.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
Exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
The seatbeltal was your dad's arm across your chest.

Speaker 7 (01:14:12):
You got no, That's what it was. That's literally what
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Unbelievable how much things have changed. It's crazy. AnyWho. What
hasn't changed is the Brown family still owns the Bengals
and they're still searching for their first Super Bowl. Joe
Burrow is back skinny. At first, I was like why,
But the more time has passed, the more I'm like, look,

(01:14:36):
seven games left. He's making a quarter of a billion
dollars if he's healthy. His job is to play football.
He should play football. Where are you?

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:14:46):
I mean yeah, I've been in that camp the whole time.
I mean, you're being paid as a professional. It's your job.
And that's before he even says he wants to play.

Speaker 7 (01:14:55):
I believe that.

Speaker 15 (01:14:56):
And he says he wants to play. I thought he
gave a great answer yesterday. I'll read it for those
that maybe didn't or hadn't read it about people believing
he shouldn't play, he says, I understand why people feel
that way, said, but you look at it from my perspective.
I'm a football player. If I get hurt, I'm gonna
go through the rehab process. I'm gonna let everyone know
when I feel like I go out there and play.
I don't really know what else to say about that.
I'm not gonna be somebody who says, yeah, I'm healthy,

(01:15:16):
but I don't think I should go out there and play.
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And
I think that's he's a football player, it's what he does.
He's healthy, so you go play football.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
That's what you should want your franchise player to feel like. Right,
I'd be maybe more worried if he was like, I'm good,
I'm checking out for that. I'm healthy. I could play,
but we're not going anywhere. I'm out of here. I'll see.
I'll see in April at OTAs.

Speaker 15 (01:15:45):
What message is intended. You go, yeah, we're gonna put
him in bubble wrap. And hey, you guys who spent
all a training camp and you're all nicked up and
banged up and bruised. I know you're not doing well,
but by go out there and play hard for us. No,
that that doesn't make any sense. It really doesn't. I
to Burrow's point to I understand you want now, you
want losses, you want it to look ugly because you
want people fired, You want the best draft pick you

(01:16:06):
can get because you want to get ready to rebuild.
You just don't look at it that way. I mean, honestly,
if you if you pulled Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase
and others in that locker room, there's a belief they
think they can win six straight games.

Speaker 7 (01:16:19):
They're not going to and it's far fas you think they're.

Speaker 15 (01:16:22):
Gonna win very many games at all. But you just
can't think that way, and they don't think that way.
It's what makes them elite. They're competitive people. They want
to go compete.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
When you look at the way that this plays out
from here, do we just assume if Joe's healthy, he's
gonna play all the way to the end of the season.

Speaker 15 (01:16:43):
Yeah, I mean you could maybe make an argument that
last game against Cleveland, at that point, you go, Okay,
we've done enough. We've seen enough, he's played enough. You
know a lot of times those last games, as we
all know, get treated like exhibitions. Anyway, if teams of
clinch playoff first are not playing for something.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Cleveland won't have clinch to playoff birth at that point.

Speaker 15 (01:17:01):
No, No, they won't put mouth Garrett maybe going for
thirty second of season at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
And that got got the most important athlete, the most
important person since MLK or who was it now, whatever.

Speaker 15 (01:17:15):
They got a guy who's not going to go very
far at the quarterback position. In my opinion, No, and
I listen, I think this is where where we're The
thing I'm fascinating to see it is does he change
the way he plays? Does he, yes, you know, pick
spots maybe to to try to extend plays, or does
he just simply say no, I'm getting rid of the football.

(01:17:37):
I'm not going to take take unnecessary hits here. You know.
I even asked him that yesterday if if he was
going to change his style of play, and he didn't
sound like like he was really willing to do that.
And you know, maybe you can't. Maybe you know what
your style of plays, your style of play, and if
you get hurt, so.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Be it skinny. We've seen him miss extended time twice.
The offensive line. I don't think this is even arguable.
The offensive line has looked more competent without Burrow than
they have with Burrow. That tells me there at least
does He's still probably gonna run around and try to

(01:18:13):
make plays and extend plays whatever. But is there something
to look Joe? I know how you want the offense
to function, but can we do it like a lesser
percentage of the time and mix in some undercenter stuff
and mix in you know, a little bit more too
tight end stuff or or is it just going to

(01:18:34):
continue to be you know, Joe says, I want to
play this way and everybody else has to kind of
fall in line.

Speaker 15 (01:18:42):
I think we're going to find out Thursday night of
just how much they're back in shotgun or not in
shotgun as much? How much does he how much does
he try to extend plays? Does he simply just you know,
check it down or throw it away. I think it's
fascinating to see how this plays out, because honestly, I
don't know if anybody knows how it's gonna play. I'm
not even sure Jill Burrow knows how it's going to
play out, Like if it's the first time he's back

(01:19:03):
there on third and seven and he feels like, if
I run around for a little bit, I'm gonna find
somebody open. We're gonna make a big play. Or does
he simply say no, I'm gonna live for another set
of downs, I'm gonna check it down here, or I'm
just gonna get rid of it here. I'm not gonna
take unnecessary I think it's gonna be fascinated to watch
how this plays out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Do you think, like, I don't think Joe Burrow sitting
and watching Jake Browning is ever gonna be like I
probably should play a little bit more like Jake Browning.
But watching Joe Flacco, a guy that has been in
the league for as long as he's been, he's a
super Bowl champion, as much success as he has, do
you think maybe Joe was at least a little more
open minded watching Flacco playing quarterback and going some of

(01:19:41):
this stuff that he's doing, Like, you know, I'm not forty,
but it looks pretty damn effective.

Speaker 8 (01:19:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:19:49):
The only thing I would say that is that that's
the way Flaco has always played, though, right He's of
course mobility, and he's even less mobile than he is now.
So that's always been the way he's played in Borrow.
The way he's always played has been and show and
extending plays, and he's done some special things. I mean,
last year we all wrote stories about it. You know,
he really wanted to put an emphasis on making unscripted
plays and he did an outstanding job of it last season. Unfortunately,

(01:20:12):
trying to do one this year is what got him heard.
And so how many times you go back to that
well and say, all right, I just can't keep putting
myself at risk here.

Speaker 7 (01:20:19):
I honestly don't know what he's gonna do. I don't
know if he's going to try to.

Speaker 15 (01:20:23):
Play the way the old Joe Burrow played or if
it's I did live and learn a little bit. I
saw some things that I think I can incorporate into
my game to extend my shelf life. And again that's
what I would say. We're going to find that out
between now at the end of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
And even bigger concern is the run game has looked
pretty nice of like, especially now we only had the
number one run defense in the NFL. I thought Cincinnati
controlled New England at the point of attack in a
lot of that game that has to continue, right, Like
going back to you know, your running back gets ten

(01:20:57):
carries for twenty seven yards. That that's that can't work anymore.

Speaker 15 (01:21:03):
No, And I think some of it's due to the
offensive line has has has gotten better. Some of it
has been due to the way Flacco plays and going
under center. You know, some of it in the in
the in the New England game there without Milton Williams,
the defensive tack where they spent a gazillion dollars on
to to come in and he was a tour to
force up front, so that probably helped a little bit.
But to your point, you know, they really did control

(01:21:26):
the line of scrimmage against the number one run defense
in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (01:21:28):
It was given up eighty two yards a game.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Defensively, things looked not terrible. Is that the best way? Like,
I think we have been beaten and battered so bad
watching this defense that uh, maybe are ore. You know,
it's like people always say, hey, the pizza we had
when we were kids were was good. No, you just

(01:21:53):
didn't know what good pizza tasted like when we were
kids because there were no good pizza places, so when
you had good pizza, you're like, oh damn. They looked
better against New England. Is there a building point from
there for the rest of the season for this group

(01:22:13):
to show they do have some guys that you can
you can build with.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Maybe DJ Turner you can build around, but you need
guys you can build with.

Speaker 15 (01:22:24):
No question, and you know you would, you hope. So
I think they had three missed tackles as a team
in this past game. Derek Carter looked a little at
least look presentable, like he knew what he was doing.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:22:34):
Genostone had had a good game. He had a misread
on a touchdown pass, but otherwise had a pretty game.

Speaker 7 (01:22:39):
He stuck his nose in there in the run game.

Speaker 15 (01:22:41):
But Al Golden maybe ad just a little bit more.
I mean it looked like you saw a little a
few more blitzes, especially from Genostone, like I can't get
pressure with four, I'm gun just have to do it,
and I'm going to do it more often. And maybe
he finally was willing to bend to that.

Speaker 7 (01:22:53):
I mean, the first two games.

Speaker 15 (01:22:54):
Out of the Buy Your Chad, they've given up twenty
points and nineteen points as a unit. You know, unfortunately,
the Steelers scored two defensive touchdowns and the New England
scored a defensive touchdown. But the defense itself is only
given up thirty nine points in the last two games.
Hasn't given up four under yards in the last two games.
I know, who, I know, I'm giving you an extraordinarily
low bar to shoot at. But it has been at
least statistically better. And again from the disaster of not

(01:23:17):
tackling in Pittsburgh to tackling the way they did against
New England, maybe that's a that's a nice step forward.
I think that's all you can look forwards the rest
of the season unfolds.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Is it just a matter of look what I just
stop letting teams score like forty three points a game.

Speaker 15 (01:23:34):
I mean it was it looked ugly and they're even
parts of the Pittsburgh game. You know, they did an
okay job against Pittsburgh. Parts of that game looked the
New England game, it looked I mean, they looked physical
on defense for the most part, it looked like they
knew where they wanted to line up and go. You
other than genostone going and trying to cover a running
back in the flat that was already covered and letting
Hunter Henry go down the sideline for a touchdown. I

(01:23:54):
mean they looked like they knew where they were they
were supposed to be, and some of it they were
helped by Dray I mean, Drake May is not very
good for the first probably quarter and a half. I
mean missed wildly a lot of times. But I thought
they at least showed some pulse.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Does Gino Stone hate the dots?

Speaker 15 (01:24:13):
They expose him?

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Boy?

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
The dots, Like is there anybody in the NFL that's
more The dots are more unkind to than Gino Stone?

Speaker 8 (01:24:20):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (01:24:21):
Correct?

Speaker 15 (01:24:22):
I love the I do love the dots, man, as
much as you know you want to replay a play
on you know, on.

Speaker 7 (01:24:26):
Paper whatever to see what it is the dots.

Speaker 15 (01:24:29):
The dots you can follow.

Speaker 7 (01:24:30):
Man, It's like, oh, okay, I see what he did there?

Speaker 15 (01:24:32):
Yep? Not good?

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Oh that that guy ended up over here, and boy,
that is not where he should have been. No, are
we just the rest of the season, no matter how
good this defense gets, like the tight end is just
going to dominate the Cincinnati Bengals no matter what.

Speaker 6 (01:24:47):
Like I.

Speaker 15 (01:24:49):
It's a good thing.

Speaker 7 (01:24:50):
Bultimore, it's a good thing.

Speaker 15 (01:24:50):
Baltimore doesn't have any good tight ends, right at.

Speaker 7 (01:24:53):
Least a good thing. Wait, no they do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Oh that's right, they have like a Hall of Fame
tight end that's not even their best then damn yeah correct, yeah, sill.

Speaker 15 (01:25:02):
We'll see what that looks like this week.

Speaker 7 (01:25:05):
But it feels like But that goes back to, you.

Speaker 15 (01:25:07):
Know, line doctors and safeties, who primarily covers tight ends?
Right linebackers and safeties. What's probably the weakest link of
a week defense right now? Two rookie linebackers in the safeties.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
How much does these do these last six games determine
the fate of Zach Taylor or are you of the
belief he's he's back next year no matter what.

Speaker 15 (01:25:29):
I'm of the belief he's back next year, no matter what.
But if it gets ugly with Burrow, like if you
if you keep losing games in ugly fashion and you've
got your guy back, that.

Speaker 7 (01:25:40):
Probably doesn't bode well.

Speaker 15 (01:25:43):
But if they look competent, and you know, the offense
for the most part has looked competent, sure, and you're
expecting them.

Speaker 7 (01:25:51):
To be at least as if not more with Burrow.

Speaker 15 (01:25:55):
If things go crazy sideways and it looks like guys
that quit and all those things, then maybe, But you know,
I thought that was Marvin Lewis in twenty seventeen, and
they bought him back in twenty eighteen. Unfortunately didn't go
very well, but they did bring him back. I think
he gets at least another year. I do. He's got
one more year in his contract, and I think that's
what they'll at the moment. I don't think he'll get

(01:26:16):
extended by any stretch. I think they'll let it play out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
And do same deal completely safe.

Speaker 15 (01:26:22):
You think that one's on the table, in my opinion,
really that one's on the table.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
They consider him family, right, they do. That's the Bengals motto.
When you're here your family.

Speaker 15 (01:26:40):
Brado Corleoni was family too, and they took him out
on the lake.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
That was a movie.

Speaker 7 (01:26:47):
He was family, he was he was.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Let's switch to rads for a minute here, skinny. We
continue to hear Hunter Green's name pop up in trade talks.
They clearly are not going to break the bank and
go get a big bat and free agency. Kyle Schwarber's
not happening. Is Hunter Green the only the only, like,

(01:27:14):
uh effective, efficient way to make this offense better given
the corner that they have backed themselves in in building
a roster.

Speaker 15 (01:27:26):
I would say probably, But I also look and go, man,
when that dude's good, he is an agency and we've
got him at a cost. We've got him at a
cost control that we kind of set the price point
out a few years ago. Remember the Reds were really
poo pooed for that move, right, like, what are they doing?

Speaker 7 (01:27:41):
This is stupid?

Speaker 15 (01:27:41):
Yes, now it looks genius, but it also I think
makes him tradable because of the contract situation, Like he's
not close to free agency. He you know, his current
contract doesn't exactly you know, bust the bank for a
for a for a bona fide ace one healthy, And
so I think that that makes him tradable. I just
don't know if I would do it, because I just

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you brought this guy into the system, and you've watched
him grow, you've watched him develop. I know there's been
frustration with the injuries. He didn't pitch well in the
playoff game, but man, he's still among the best in
the game when he's right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
How much do you worry about he's four full MLB seasons,
He's never thrown over one hundred and fifty innings, and
the most he has made in terms of number of
starts is twenty six, twenty six, twenty four to twenty
two nineteen. Not having your ace for seven, eight, ten,

(01:28:34):
twelve games a year is really.

Speaker 15 (01:28:36):
Difficult, it is, But I think that's just the state
of baseball today. I mean, good mistakes. I don't have
it in front of me, but how many guys does
a Dodger start this year? And I know you can
give me the argument the Dodgers can to afford that,
and they can, but I think that's a state of baseball.
I mean, honestly, I think you better have ten major
league level starting pitchers ready when you go into a season,

(01:28:58):
because it feels like every team it goes through this.
You know, there's there's an occasional, rare guy that makes
his thirty three or thirty four starts a year, but
those guys are outliers. Man, it feels like it just
about every team. You better have a bunch of guys
that you can cycle through because it's just a state.

Speaker 7 (01:29:14):
Of pitching today.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
It makes it even crazier thinking back to what seven
eight years ago when the Reds literally had all five
of their starters make every.

Speaker 7 (01:29:22):
Start Yep, it's crazy, and yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
So it feels like that's one of those like we'll
never see that again, doesn't it correct? Yes, because the
guy up that little little tightness in the uh in
the in the shoulder, sit it out for ten days,
we'll see in two weeks, not going to pitch through it.
To pitch through it Ellie. Jeff Carr said this earlier.

(01:29:46):
I think it was hilarious. Did Ellie get his one
sixty two merit badge? And are we done with like
that narrative that he has he wants to play one
sixty two?

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
Stop it?

Speaker 15 (01:29:56):
I mean, that's that's what listen. I know people have
talked about, you know, protecting Joe Burrow from himself, the
Reds needed to protect ellidelther Cruise from himself. I mean, goodness, gracious,
you could see how compromised he was the loss of power.
It'd be one thing that he was striking out of
the high rate with the loss of power, but it
was really just a loss of power without a high
strikeout rate. And it's because he was I think he

(01:30:18):
was just he was whipped, he was playing hurt. You know,
all those things that some time off would have would
have helped, in my opinion, and I think they have
to do that. They got a man's that better moving forward.
I mean, if you want to sit him out a
start and use him as a late inning pinch runner
or a late inning back, okay, that's fine, and it
gets him, you know, an extra game or two.

Speaker 6 (01:30:38):
You're not doing it just to do it.

Speaker 15 (01:30:38):
But I'm just saying, you know, you can still use
him in that kind of a role. But I just
think to keep trotting him out night after night after night,
just it woreing down, especially the way he plays.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Look, skinny, I could tear a ligament in my pinky
and I would be out for a month. To tear
a muscle in your quad. And then the thing that
made me really mad was was Nick Krawl coming out
and saying he didn't it wasn't a partial tear. It
was a strain. Nick, We know that a partial tear

(01:31:07):
is a strain. You're not fooling anybody, buddy, stop it.

Speaker 15 (01:31:11):
Well, it's a good thing he doesn't play the demanding
defenses right, And.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
His defense was great over the last two and a
half months.

Speaker 15 (01:31:20):
Yeah, no, I listen, I just I think you got
to save the guy for himself. It's admirable. Listen, we
can all look into man's adable. You want to play
every day and it was great when Pete Rose did it,
or Steve Garby did it, or cala Rivkin didn't follow.
Is okay, that's all alone. That's a different time, different places,
and everybody's different, right. I mean, those guys, maybe we're
physically able to do that. I don't think Kelly's body

(01:31:40):
is made to do that. And don't don't let enforce
the situation. Just say, guy, you're sitting down tonight, just
have a good night, and we'll see tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
We'll try to get you in later. The other thing
was it wasn't just the power. He wasn't stealing bases.

Speaker 7 (01:31:52):
Either, right, correct, It was all amiss, Like you know,
that is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
One of those things. And I guess Tito's just not
a a big aggressive on the base pass guy. But
if you look back two years ago, like this team
was still pretty good taking extra bases, and they did
none of that with with one of the most the
fact maybe the fastest or second fastest guy in the game.

Speaker 15 (01:32:18):
It's and it would be hard to believe Elie daily
Cruz does not have a green light. I mean it
may be the occasional pull up the stop sign and
say not here, not now. You know, two outs in
an inning and we want this guy to swing the no.

Speaker 14 (01:32:29):
No.

Speaker 15 (01:32:30):
For the most part, I would guess he's got the
green light anytime he wants to go, and his body
told him, you're not going real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
On UC football, how big is Saturday for Scott Saderfield.

Speaker 15 (01:32:41):
I just think it's big because you have its potential
if you lose Saturday to go lose a bowl game.
And after all the where this was of taking these
steps forward, you finished at seven sick. Now he's going
to be back and he deserves to be back, and
he got into a bowl game.

Speaker 7 (01:32:52):
I thought that was minimal goal for this year and
if he could do that, so boy for another season.

Speaker 15 (01:32:57):
You've seen it collapse into calamity the last couple of
years and this one collapsing into just barely hanging on
to a winning record. I can't leave a good days.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Yeah, fan base is not gonna be happy if they
don't get this win Saturday that's for sure, and I.

Speaker 7 (01:33:10):
Think it's gonna be really difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Yeah, all right, man, appreciate it. Skenny, you have a
great Thanksgiving YouTube. All right, there we go, Richard Skinner
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Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
All Right, welcome back, closing out hour three final segment
of the day, we will head out to Keegan Nicholson,
who is getting ready to watch the Bearcats take on
Eastern Michigan at seven o'clock Thanksgiving tomorrow. Bengals pep rally

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or what's on Friday? Is Bengals pep Rally still on Friday?
Taren Okay, Bengals pep rally on Friday. So not a
chance to talk about the Bearcats and TCU between now
and then on this show. So let's talk a little
Bearcats basketball tonight. Let's talk a little Bearcats football on
Saturday with Keegan nickoson beat writer for me at Bearcat

(01:35:11):
Journal dot com. You were listening to e forty before
right before Tarn called you, weren't you.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
Yes, I always have a forty on me like it's
my mini me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right. Like every time I
see you, you've got a forty.

Speaker 8 (01:35:29):
Two of them taped my hands.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
Keegan, it's a it's a big one for Scott Satderfield
on Saturday. Look, I know fans are upset over the
last three weeks that they have not been able to
get that elusive eighth win. How different is the narrative
this offseason. With a win Saturday versus a loss on Saturday.

Speaker 13 (01:35:58):
I think it's hugely different.

Speaker 8 (01:36:01):
But I think if they're.

Speaker 13 (01:36:02):
Able to win Saturday, I kind of like their chances.

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
Of obviously getting the better bowl game, but also winning
that bowl game because I feel like the mood shift
within the locker room would also be significant, Like that's
I feel like that's something we're not talking.

Speaker 8 (01:36:18):
About a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
I don't know how much longer he's going to be
able to sell the players on the team about, Hey,
we're building, like we're building towards something.

Speaker 8 (01:36:26):
Just stick around.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
We're building towards something after three years of kind of
falling short. So I think it's huge, and I think
that they should have a good chance to win because
they're not playing one of the best defenses in the
Big Twelve, and that's not an excuse for them at all.
I think they should have went to and one out
of their last three at the end of the day.

(01:36:47):
But you know, I think it's great for transfer portal
momentum and how guys view the program and how they
could take a step next year.

Speaker 8 (01:36:57):
But I think it's going to be difficult because I
think it's.

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
Gonna be really hard to get together a better roster
talent wise than what they had this year.

Speaker 8 (01:37:07):
Given the resources that they've been given.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
TCUs offense has kind of been hot and cold here
of late. They still have a really good quarterback and
Josh Hoover. They've got a couple really talented wide receivers. Defensively,
how does this stack up for Cincinnati because on paper
it looks like it could be a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
Yeah, I mean defensively for uc I think they're gonna
play it similar to how they played against Baylor. That's
what Scott Sanderfield said on his radio show last night.
So you know, kind of keep tabs on the run,
but they're really devoted to shutting down the pass.

Speaker 8 (01:37:45):
Which I think this defense has success in.

Speaker 5 (01:37:48):
And you know, like we've said, they're from the twenty
to the twenty, they're going to be able to move
the ball. But then what happens in the red area
or in the red zone, like are your fourteen field
goals or are you giving upfield goals?

Speaker 8 (01:38:00):
Because you've also.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
Seen and versely how that impacts the offense, Like if
you give up field goals, the offense is playing with
confidence to give up touchdowns and the offense starts to
press to play calling gets a little bit conservative maybe,
and then the mistakes happen. So I think this game
could be decided in the first quarter. TCU has struggled

(01:38:22):
to score in the first quarter. I just got done
talking with Jamie Plunkett, who covers tc for two four seven,
and I think the Houston game was the first time
they'd scored in the first quarter out of their last
seven contests.

Speaker 8 (01:38:35):
So if you can keep them off the scoreboard in
those first fifteen minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
And you can take maybe a two possession lead. I
think forced TCU to play from behind. Josh houvers from
thirteen interceptions this year, so you see show have a
really good chance to do something they've done so few times.

Speaker 8 (01:38:52):
This year and force some turnovers.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
There's been a lot of talk about Brendan Storesby. He
didn't play well against Utah, didn't play all that well
against Arizona. I thought he bounced back pretty well against BYU.
How important is this week for him just emotionally, maybe
even to go home to play in front of family,
to play well and get this team back in the

(01:39:16):
wing column.

Speaker 8 (01:39:18):
Yeah, I think it's hugely important.

Speaker 5 (01:39:20):
I've seen some tweets about like this is how he's
played when they've lost and he hasn't played well, and
I'm like, well, yeah, that's how the quarterback plays. Is
pretty linear to winning and losing games, especially in the
Big twelve, Like if your quarterback isn't playing well, they're
going to lose.

Speaker 8 (01:39:39):
And at this point they've only lost four games.

Speaker 5 (01:39:41):
But I also feel like he doesn't have a ton
to prove to really anyone besides maybe scouts. I think
he's done more than what people have expected him to do.
What you see, he still makes really really good throws,
sure the anticipation, quick release.

Speaker 8 (01:39:58):
He's been a really good leader.

Speaker 5 (01:40:00):
So I think it's big for him personally because this
is where he's from. He's going to have a ton
of people there watching him and just to make his
hometown proud. But you know, I think, like you said,
he didn't play good against Utah, and he didn't play
good against Arizona, but played really good against Baylor. Three
hundred yards, sixty six percent of his passes were completed,

(01:40:21):
made some big throws. So I'm looking for him to
really bounce back against the defense that kind of sets
up for him to have.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
A lot of success for Scott Saderfield alone. How much
goodwill does eight and four? Eight and four by over
seven and five as we go into yeah, pivotal offseason
for the coach.

Speaker 5 (01:40:44):
I think eight and four gets kind of like a okay,
good work. You know you were on track to being
the Big twelve championship, but you know you fell short.
This is some good momentum for next season versus seven
and five is basically continued, like apathy from the fan
base and a lot of people were kind of saying,
you know, this is a bad year, like it's a

(01:41:05):
disappointing year.

Speaker 8 (01:41:07):
I'm not going to get to the point where I
say it's a fan.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
Based on how you started the season, based off how
you sold this roster to everyone, you should have finished
better than seven and five. And coming into the year,
I thought seven and five was their floor and nine
and three was maybe their ceiling.

Speaker 8 (01:41:25):
And then they start playing and you're thinking, okay, like
ten and two is really in the cards. Especially that
was just why you at home? That was just you, Yeah,
that was just me everyone.

Speaker 13 (01:41:35):
Else because they're perpetually negative.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
I predicted seven and five.

Speaker 5 (01:41:42):
Okay, So I mean I started the season nine and
oh on this addiction you did, so I kind.

Speaker 8 (01:41:49):
Of know what I'm talking about a little bit. But yeah,
I just think.

Speaker 5 (01:41:56):
It's it's a it's a pretty big difference, even though
it's just one game, and I think the bowl game
that they can get in and if they can win
is it's not the difference in the end of the season.
Perception is much more decided by this game than whatever
they do in the bowl game because of how many
factors there are in that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Look, let's just be honest. A win means it's more
likely they go to the Pop Tarts Bowl, and that's
really all any of us want.

Speaker 8 (01:42:25):
You. I want to go to Shreveport. I've never been
to Shreveport before.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
I'll send you to shrepport one way ticket, Kegan one
way ticket to Shreadport. Basketball wise, what can we look
for tonight against Eastern Michigan? Is a Moni bait still there?

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:42:45):
I don't think so. I think he was.

Speaker 5 (01:42:48):
Last time I heard his name he was on the
cav G League team, So I don't really know what
he's up to. Biggest thing I'm looking for would be Seanabayev.
I think what he showed as an offensive alpha against
n j T was pretty impressive. He's he was an
alpha when he stepped on campus in terms of his
offensive play, but actually being able to exercise that with

(01:43:11):
bobon Miller out was good to see. And then I'm
also looking at Jordi Rodriguez. Is he able to stack
some games and show Wes Miller but he can be
that consistent part of the rotation. And I think more
important than you know, making three or four frees is
how he competes defensively and going after loose balls, which
he did against nj T. So you know, I'm also

(01:43:35):
looking what are they doing with bobon Miller.

Speaker 13 (01:43:37):
But to be perfectly honest, I'd be shocked if he played.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Given west Miller's comments after the game on Monday, and
given the context of you have Xavier at the end
of next week.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
I think there's probably a better chance Wes Miller lets
you suit up over putting bobon Miller out there tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
You ready to go?

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
No, you're not ready to go?

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
No, No, I'm not ready to go.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
But what would you play the three?

Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
The two?

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
I would probably just play a really really physical four
in just throw elbows and pick up fowls.

Speaker 8 (01:44:13):
See if I can knock somebody out of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
You're one of the old Kelvin Samson, John Cheney Goods.
Just this guy's got five thousand, he's gonna go use them.

Speaker 8 (01:44:23):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, man.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
It is uh, it is always a pleasure and uh
looking forward to seeing you tonight. What what's your We're
gonna get to this in a minute. What's what's your
take on Thanksgiving sides?

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
Kegan?

Speaker 13 (01:44:40):
My take on Thanksgiving sides?

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Is it all?

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
It starts with green bean castrole. A good green bean
castrole can make or break a Thanksgiving.

Speaker 8 (01:44:51):
And then you put the mashed.

Speaker 5 (01:44:52):
Potatoes next to it, you put the dinner roll, and
then you have turkey, and then you coat the entire
plate in gravy, and then you you go get another
dinner roll, and you sop up all the gravy with
the dinner roll.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
And that's it.

Speaker 8 (01:45:08):
How many of you do that two or three more times?

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
How many times a year do you eat green bean casserole?

Speaker 8 (01:45:15):
How many times a year do you eat pulled ham?

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
I eat ham a lot. I mean, like I don't
need pork shoulder A couple of times a year. The
pulled ham is just because I got tired of doing
regular ham, and I eat regular ham all the time.
You didn't answer the question how many times a year
do you eat green bean casserole?

Speaker 5 (01:45:40):
I don't exactly know what a straw man argument is,
but I feel like this is one of those.

Speaker 6 (01:45:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
I think it's a It's a very pertinent argument. If
you loved green bean casserole at some time in March,
you would be like, you know what sounds good. I'm
a rock some green bean casserole tonight, and.

Speaker 5 (01:45:56):
From now on I'm just gonna like post on Twitter
whenever I make it. You and stop making this stupid argument.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
I mean, I'm not wrong, you don't make it and
you only have it once a year? Right or wrong?

Speaker 12 (01:46:07):
Kegan?

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
How many times a year do you eat green bean casserole.

Speaker 8 (01:46:12):
Once?

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
If it was good, you need it more than once.
That's all I'm saying. That's my only argument.

Speaker 8 (01:46:19):
My taste buds have no freedom of speech.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
All right, man, I'll see you tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:46:26):
Thank you, Sea.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
All right, thanks Gigs, that's gonna do it. I am
out of here. I will be back on Friday noon
to three. Since E three sixty Tarran and I back
on the ones and twos and everybody have a wonderful
Thanksgiving and we will see you on the flip side.
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