11/27/24 - The Mo Egger Show

Happy Thanksgiving Eve! College Hoops, Bengals and a trip to Maui.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Wow, what's up? Good afterman, I'm a legger. This is
ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you, Thank you for listening, thank
you for being patient, Thank you for joining us. On
Thanksgiving Eve obviously underway about twenty minutes later than usual.
You just heard Jim kelch and Rick Burring on the

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call NKU with the game this afternoon. They fall to
Charleston College of Charleston and Chris Max seventy nine to
sixty four. Norse fall to one in five on the season.
This has been an unbelievably fun and entertaining last few
days of college basketball, and it's only going to continue tonight.
Earlier today in the area, Louisville crushed Indiana in the

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Battle for Atlantis. Big win for Pat Kelsey eighty nine
to sixty one. Locally, tonight, it's a busy evening. You see,
has a game against Alabama State. Game will tip off
at seven o'clock on seven hundred WLWZ. Favior hooks up
with Michigan tonight in Fort Meyers. That game right around
eight thirty nine o'clock tonight on fifty five KRC, and
the Dayton Flyers have played two good games. Stood toe

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to toe against North Carolina, should have won a game.
It should have won a game, had a twenty one
point lead, lose last night, stood to to toe with
a tough Iowa State team lost, And so the reward
is to get a game, a matchup in the seventh
place game against Yukon tonight. So lots of great college
basketball happening this week. The sport, you know those there

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are those who will tell you the sport's broken because
of the portal, and nil and all that. The sport
is not broken. The sport has evolved, The sport has changed.
The sport is imperfect, The sport is still immensely entertaining.
We have lots of college basketball between now and six o'clock.
Bengals game plan comes away. As soon as we're done
at six o'clock this evening, you're gonna hear from Joe

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Burrow and Jamar Chase a little bit later on. We're
gonna go to Pittsburgh in the five o'clock hour, talk
about the Steelers. It's interesting fan duels afc odds have
the Pittsburgh Steelers with longer odds than those of the
Houston Texans. Now, the Texans, I think most of us
would agree, aren't great. The question is how good is

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Pittsburgh one o'clock on Sunday Live on ESPN fifteen thirty,
the Bengals coming off thereby, And you know, there's different storylines.
We've talked about moneymack Evan McPherson, can he can he
recapture the magic? Can he make big kicks? We've talked

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maybe a little bit too much about Joe Mixon, who
can't stop talking about Cincinnati even though he's in Houston
and doing well. There's one storyline that matters. Forget the
Denver Broncos, and forget the Miami Dolphins who play tomorrow night,
Forget the Indianapolis Colts and the teams around the Bengals.

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Can the Bengals fix their defense? Like sounds like a
very simple question, right. Can the Bengals fix their defense?
Can they fix their defense in time to win their
last six games? I am approaching the end of the season,
and maybe I'm wrong about this. I've been wrong about
a lot of different things. I am approaching the end
of the season assuming that to make the playoffs the

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Bengals have to win out Now there's some precedent for
them going on a streak like this, because they did
in twenty twenty two, won their last eight regular season games,
and by the way, they could win out and that
might still not be enough. Maybe nine to eight does it. Hell,
maybe eight to nine does it. I'm just gonna assume
it's gonna take ten. So in order to get to

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ten wins, they gotta beat everybody. Now, they can beat everybody,
perhaps on the strength of the offense and Joe Burrow's
arm and the weaponry they have, and they could win
a game where they could beat some teams by outscoring
them and still giving up a bunch of point point.
But if they're going to do what they have to do,

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lou Anarumo has to fix the defense and in the
process might have to save his job. That's the questions.
That's the Forget all the other stuff. Forget Joe Mixon.
He's not coming back, he's not here. Whether he has
a legitimate beef against the coaching staff or not is
frankly irrelevant. What is relevant, more than anything else right
now for twenty twenty four. Can lou Anarumo fix the defense?

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Not like they've made a bunch of trades, not like
they can make trades, not like they're bringing in guys
from the outside. It's not like an injured player is
gonna come in on a white horse and be the
difference maker after having not played for weeks on end.
Can lou Anarumo take this unit, which has been bad
now for over a year and fix it. If the
answer is no, then they have no shot at making

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the playoffs. That doesn't mean they can't beat the Steelers,
that doesn't mean they can't beat the Cowboys, but those
things are in a vacuum. Big picture, if they're gonna
run the table, the defense has to be fixed, doesn't
have to be made great, doesn't have to be the
best in the league, doesn't have to be the best
in the division. It's got to be better than it
has been so far this year. Twenty nine minutes after

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three o'clock show preview video is up. Go watch it
at Moegar on X thanks to Emery Federal Credit Union
your credit Union with Heart Since nineteen thirty nine, we
jammed this show with guests, So the first one is
going to be our buddy Lee Sterling. Typically on Thursdays,
but tomorrow's Thanksgiving, So Lee is gonna make us some
money when we come back. My name is Moegar. Three

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thirty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Rivalry guy Joe Burrow and his Bengals get down to
business with Pittsburgh Steelers in an AFC North grudge match.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
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Speaker 1 (05:49):
Prepare for four quarters.

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Speaker 2 (06:11):
Is completely off because the show started twenty minutes later
than usual and because we're talking with Lee Sterling on Wednesday.
My equilibriums off because I've missed a bunch of Thursdays,
which means i haven't really talked to Lee at all.
So I'm just excited to hear his voice. Paramount Sports
dot Com makes us money during the pro and college
football seasons and on x at Paramount Sports. Happy Thanksgiving, High, Lee.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, how are you? What's going on? You've been going
to like thirsty Thursdays or something.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Oh I wish, oh I would No, I just for
a variety of reasons. I've had to miss some Thursday shows.
But we're here, and you're kind enough to join us
on a Wednesday. So I was because I'm off next
Thursday for a medical procedure. I'm gonna make it sound serious,
so I like I I didn't think i'd hear your
voice at least doing the show and until like mid December.
But as luck would have it, here we are.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Let's let's have some fun, and first want to wish
you and your family and your staff and all the
listeners out there a happy and healthy Thanksgiving. We have
a lot to be thankful for.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, no question about that. I think the last time
I talked with you, the Bearcats, you see, was stuck
on five wins, and yet here.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
They are, I think.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
So it's send your night there.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
At home against a good TCU team that still has
some doors are going to have to open, but they
could still get to the Big twelve title game. The
horn Frogs are favorites at Nippert Stadium. Tell me what's
going to happen on Saturday?

Speaker 5 (07:38):
All right?

Speaker 4 (07:38):
So seven to four TCU stopped beating itself and has
been scoring big since. Playing against Utah's pretty good defense,
which we now know is fraud. They scored thirty five,
thirty four, thirty eight, and forty nine points. Cincinnati put
enough of its offense on tape. I thought by the

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end of September earlier October, it's given defensive coordinators enough
material to hold them to anywhere between fifteen and twenty
four points. But I think they might come up with
a couple of wrinkles here. This game is that big here.
I just think that Cincinnati's you got to get tc
You can't allow them to get six seven eight yards

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on first down. So I think they're going to come
with some unorthodox splitzes, maybe early in than down in
distant situations. If you do that, you got a better
chance to get it done here. So I think Cincinnati's
going to rise to the occasion. And why not. This
has been the craziest Big twelve season ever. Roun team
favored Bearcats straight up thirty three thirty.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Bowl eligibility and lee more important, they will have hit
the over for the season because it was five and
a half. What felt like a shoo in weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, it isn't a crazy how it seems like like
eighty eighty five percent of the totals come right down
to the last game.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
It's it's remarkable.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, And where would they be heading it if they
do win? Any any talk?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
You know, I've I've I've seen the Pop Tarts Bowl
which is down in Florida. I guess there's a bowl
in Texas that's been that's been brought up. I don't know,
I don't know. I will be honest with you, I've
I've not really looked in England.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Let's just let's just let's just win this game and
hopefully they don't send you somewhere near the border in Texas.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh comment on that one sports dot Com. All right,
Ohio State and Michigani. You know, a year ago at
this time, the Wolverines were trending toward the national title,
and now they're nearly three touchdown dogs against the Buckeyes.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Right, so, Indiana was doing a good job shortening the
game first quarter against Ohio State, and then all of
a sudden, Jim Knowles, respected defensive coordinator start off with
Oklahoma State now to Ohio State, began blitzing almost every
single down and Indiana's offensive line and quarterback couldn't handle it.
Then Indiana's special teams flat out gave the game away.

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So Ohio State needs to prove in this game they
shut down Michigan's running game. I think they're going to
load the box up here. Michigan we know can't throw
the ball to save their lives. Here Ohio State they
turn it on third and fourth quarter thirty five to thirteen.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, we're on the same page there, at least, Sterling
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where they haven't played great this season against Pittsburgh, coming
off that loss in the snowstorm against the Browns. Who
do you like on Sunday?

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, they haven't had really almost no homefield advantage one
and four straight up and against the spread at fits
reversed their easy playoff shoe in team here twelve percent
chance I checked to make the playoffs. Combination bad luck
and bad defense has been what's done them in here.
They've surrendered sixteen touchdown last four games. I do think

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coming off the by their defense will be a little
bit better. But Pittsburgh seventeen and five in the last
twenty two one score games here and coaching matters. I
think that's the difference. Pittsburgh thirty one, twenty eighth.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I'm making my Thanksgiving very goodly. But that's okay.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
I du if you win, Hey, if you win, I'll
be very happy to go to them. Well, let's just
let's win the Bearcats game first and don't worry about
Sunday later.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, it sounds it sounds good. That's that's sort of
how I spend most of my weekends. I free play.
The free play of the week is a good one.
Philadelphia Baltimore.

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Thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
You two up.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Take care you go.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Lee's Turlingparamount sports dot com. It is twenty minutes away
from four o'clock. Chad Brendle's going to join us in
the four o'clock hour. You see basketball plays tonight, you
see football in that game we just talked about plays
on Saturday. And so Chad's going to join us typically
on Thursdays, but we're not here tomorrow. There's going to

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be a best of show. So if you're if you're
you know, sitting there with your family tomorrow and you're like, man,
I need to hear Moe's voice, well between three and
six you'll hear it just as part of a bunch
of old interviews. So because Chad won't be with us tomorrow,
he'll be with us today coming up at four. Also,
we're gonna go to Maui and we're gonna go to
Fort Myers in the four o'clock hour. We're gonna go

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to Pittsburgh in the five o'clock hour. One of those
places is not like the other. Now, I've been to Pittsburgh,
and I like Pittsburgh. I'm not supposed to say that.
But I've also been to Maui, and I've been to
Fort Myers, I've been to Pittsburgh, and if I were
to rank those three places, Pittsburgh would come in a
pretty distant third. But we will go there in the
five o'clock hour to talk about the Steelers who come
to town on Sunday. Bengals Steelers on Sunday afternoon one

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o'clock is Your Kick Live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Our
pre game coverage begins nine am at the Holy Grail.
Join us, Ken Brew, Tony Pike and myself. We have
what three more home games to go, so three more
who Day Sundays at the Grail, as we call them.
We'll see you there Sunday morning, starting at nine am.
Rick Browing is this is the kind of professional he is,

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This is the kind of friend he is. So he
just got done calling a game, and you know it's
certainly not the most mind bending or backbreaking work. But
you know, you up done call the game and now
I could just relax. They're getting ready to come back
home to Cincinnati, and we typically have Rick on at

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three forty five to talk Xavier basketball and NKU basketball.
We thought maybe that wasn't gonna happen today, but it is.
He's gonna be joining us from the NKU team bus.
So do you think we could get him to say,
you know, talk about like which players really played poorly
and which ones need to re examine their life priorities.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
But Rick, because he is a great man and a
terrific broadcaster and a good friend, is still going to
join us to talk about not just the NKU game today,
but a big one tonight in Fort Myers as Xavier
gets set to take on Michigan. That is next on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station May Hollywood. Because you
know Lawrence Berg your This is ESPN fifteen thirty on

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Moegger on Wednesday, as we chat with our friend Rick Brooring,
who you just heard twenty five minutes ago signing off
the air with Jim kelch NKU falling to the College
of Charleston today. And this is the kind of man
that Rick is. This is the kind of friend that
he is, This is the kind of pro that he is.
And this is also the kind of guy who wants
his website mentioned on air. He is. It's weird. The

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game ends and they're getting on the bus and they're
getting ready to come back, and there's a lot going on,
and so I wasn't sure we were gonna have Rick today,
but lo and behold, God love him, he still agreed
to join us. Are you on the bus right now?

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Not yet.

Speaker 8 (15:26):
I've been trying to think of what type of high
jinks I can start, like trying to make managers forget
pieces of equipment back in the arena and stuff to
try to keep this delayed before they actually take off.
They're all like loading up on the bus, but we
haven't left yet, all right.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
So what I thought we could do, though, is like,
get are the players on the bus?

Speaker 8 (15:45):
No, I'm standing off of the bus. Most of them
are on the bus right now.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
What you could do is get on the bus so
you're not holding anybody up, and then you could sit
there and in excruciating detail, talk about which NKU players
kind of stuck up the joint today and really which
ones need to work on their games and in great
detail go over what they need to tone in on
in practice.

Speaker 8 (16:05):
Yeah, I see, got my request from Taran because I
specifically asked that we not do that. That was what
I was trying to avoid. It's like, hey, could we
maybe like limit the question to, you know, what's going
on the rest of the week or something, because I'm
not sure I want to talk about these guys abou
how they just played.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
But you know, it was a.

Speaker 8 (16:20):
Good second half, a good second half of the first half.
Really the last thirty minutes they were good. But they
built themselves a nineteen point deficit and that's just gonna
be tough to call your way back from at any point.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Does Chris Mack have a good team.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
I think they're a team that's getting better. They're still
trying to figure out who they are. They've got some
moving pieces in there. I know talking to them, they've
had some interesting situations. Some guys have been in and
out of the lineup. Dinged up and then before the
Rhode Island game, which they lost by like forty points,
they had a twelve hour day of travel where they
didn't get there until midnight after leaving around noon, and
then they had a noon tip the next day.

Speaker 9 (16:54):
So they've had an.

Speaker 8 (16:55):
Interesting start their season as well. I think they looked
more like the team they expect to be today, but
they're still figuring it out, and I think that's the
same situation that MKU finds themselves in.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
All right, and what has been an awesome week of
good matchups, I think we get one tonight in Fort
Myers between Xavier and Michigan. I want to go back
to Monday night. I don't think South Carolina is very good,
but I think we learned a lot about teams this
time of year when the shots aren't falling and when
they have to win ugly, which the Musketeers did.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
That's exactly right. No, I don't think South Carolina is
a great team. They're expected to finish at the bottom
of the SEC this year, but they do have a physical,
tough front court and a team that was going to
challenge Xavier in ways that they hadn't been challenged yet.
I think you saw that in the first half and
that's why they were down. But then in the second
half you also saw why South Carolina is going to
be towards the bottom of the SEC and why Xavier

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is a pretty talented offensive team. Now Michigan is going
to be a little bit different. But again, I'm interested
to see how Xavier's front court does against them because
they have two seven footers inside. One is a mid
major transfer up from Florida Atlantic, who I don't think
is as good lot of golden. He's more of a
stiffer center for them. And then the other guys that
transferred from Yale who's seven foot but he's more of

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like a perimeter skilled forward and he's very talented. He's
going to give Xavier a challenge because they like to
play smaller wings and forwards at that four spot. I'm
interested to see how they match up with him tonight.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah. So I look at these teams metrically and I
see a lot of similarities. Where is Xavier better?

Speaker 8 (18:26):
I think their guards are definitely more dynamic. You got
a guy in Ryan Conwell who could go for twenty
five or thirty at any given point. I think Roddy Gale,
who's Michigan's leading perimeter score, is a talented player.

Speaker 9 (18:38):
He's good.

Speaker 8 (18:39):
He transferred from Ohio State. He's been solid for them.
But I don't get the sense that he's as dangerous
or scares you as much as like a guy like
Ryan Conwell. He's not as skilled. I think that's really
all around kind of the story for Zager and tonight's game.

Speaker 9 (18:53):
You hope that.

Speaker 8 (18:53):
Your perimeter players are better than Michigan's.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
This is not a question, that's a statement. I'll ask
you to elaborate. Ian Conwell has been as good as advertised. Yeah, yes,
exactly right.

Speaker 8 (19:06):
It's hard to live up to the hype when national
outlets are talking about you being one of the best
transfers in all of college basketball before the season starts,
But what we've seen from him so far would pretty
much equate to that. I mean, he looks like one
of the best guards in the entire country.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
So I always ask you about the Big East. So
does you con stink.

Speaker 8 (19:28):
That's a good question right now with MOO, I mean,
they're really struggling. I think they're going to still be
a top twenty five team for certain, but it's pretty
clear that a third straight national championship is very much
in question.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, but they'll beat Dayton tonight by like a thousand points.
Like that's that's a fate of complete correct.

Speaker 8 (19:46):
Well, I mean, I don't think Xavier fans are going
to have any issue.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
With that, not at all. I get it. I mean,
the folks on your website are going to be all
excited about that. But I mean, you know, Dayton played
really well for large stretches of both games against good teams,
and now they're going to play a pissed off Dan Hurley.
He's going to be throwing tempertansions on the sideline. It's
the seventh place game and Yukon's gonna blow him out.
And that's how my my life works. Is everybody sitting

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on the bus like staring at you, waiting for you
to get on board.

Speaker 8 (20:12):
We just walked onto the bus. Now I was the
last person on it at this point. It's pretty awkward.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, I could hear the tone in your voice. See
if they had one like we could have fun. But
you know, yeah, I've been in your shoes. I've had
to do this, so I I understand it's too bad
they didn't win, because I you know, we could have
had fun. But uh, I don't think listening to Darren
Horne post game, he's in the mood for, you know, fun,
right now, so we can't do anything fun.

Speaker 9 (20:38):
I think that's how it's gonna go.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, all right, well, travel safe back, Thank you for
joining us, and have a happy Thanksgiving to you and
your family.

Speaker 9 (20:46):
All right, thanks mog you too.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
That's our guy, Rick Boring Musketeer Report dot Com. That
is an awkward set of circumstances in right now, so
I appreciate him jumping on and joining us. That was
It was kind kind of Rick. And the aftermath of
NK is lost to Charleston. Tonight's game is going to
be really good. I do think, you know, I'm not

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to fling the conversation over to the Bearcats, but I
think what's been fun about watching UC basketball this year
is they they haven't had to win ugly. I haven't
played anybody really good. Let's let's let's be honest. I
mean that they've gone on the road twice. They should
have beaten NKU, and I gather from listening to Darren
Horne on a couple of different occasions he's not sure

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how good his team is going to be. I don't
think Georgia Tech is very good. You see, hasn't been
forced to play a game that's ugly. I don't think
that's gonna happen tonight. Maybe it happens against Villanova, maybe
it happens in the Skyline Chili Crosstown shootout. I think
with Xavier, the cool thing about Monday was this team
has shot really well. They didn't shoot well against North
or against South Carolina. They're on a neutral floor, they're
not playing a very good team. Can you find a

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way which is I think a little bit easier. Not
it's never easy, but it's a little bit easier to
do in January, February March, when in this day and
a the guys kind of know each other. I think
it's harder to win ugly when the players aren't connected
and everybody's still trying to figure out who's going to
play what role. And they were good on the glass.
Dalen Swain was very good. He kept getting to the rim.

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He had five steals. I think teams take steps forward
and we learn about them when they win games like that,
and conversely, I think we learned about them when they
lose games like that. And from a pure talent perspective, yes,
XU was better than South Carolina, but two teams neither
both teams played ugly. Who was going to emerge Victoria,
so it was Xavier. The task is going to be

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a little bit different. Michigan can force a lot of turnovers.
They're taller, they're bigger, they're good on the glass, and
we'll see if Xavier is shooting, which prior to Monday
had been a hallmark reappears tonight in Fort Myers. If
you're wondering eight thirty this evening on fifty five KRC
with Joe Sunderman and Byron Larkin on the call, seven

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minutes away from four o'clock. If you have missed anything
this week, First of all, why, Second, we've done some
good stuff. Tony and Mo Football show was really good.
We had a couple of guests yesterday that I thought
were outstanding. One is college basketball guest Evan Mia a

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terrific college basketball website evanmiya dot com, and we talked
in detail about the Bearcats, and we talked about the Musketeers.
We also talked about the Kentucky Wildcats. Evan Miakawa is
the guy who runs evanmia dot com and if you
like college basketball, you love his website, you like our

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conversation yesterday, also on the heels of the Reds trading
Jonathan India for Brady Singer. I think most of us
know the type of picture the Reds needed. I think
most really don't know a lot about Brady Singer. And
so I got a guy on from Kansas City, Saren Petro,
who is one of the biggest, and I say this endearingly,

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one of the biggest baseball nerds. I no like, we
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and sleeves baseball sports talk radio host in Kansas City,
and so has watched Brady Singer more than almost anybody.
And he was really good in talking about the good
and bad from the new Reds pitchers. So go listen
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Speaker 3 (24:42):
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Speaker 2 (24:53):
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those folks who we are very grateful for, by the way.
Aside from those folks, I think we are We're it.
We're it. Chad Brendle'll be working tonight. Bearcat journal dot
com is his website. Normally he joins us on Thursdays.
We don't have a we don't have a show tomorrow.
We don't have a show that airs live tomorrow. So

(25:35):
there's a lot of stuff. You know, basketball plays tonight,
football plays on Saturday, some other things going on. A
lot of balls in the ear as it relates to
a UC sport. So I wanted to get Chad on today.
How's it going. No, but I'm good. Did I interrupt something?

Speaker 5 (25:53):
My daughter was speaking to me. She's got very bad timing.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Does does she? Does she want to chime in?

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Do you want to talk about?

Speaker 7 (26:02):
I mean tonight?

Speaker 6 (26:04):
So she's excited for basketball tonight.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
That that makes that makes three of us. I think
I think that makes I think most of us more
than just tonight, excited for basketball in general. So I'm
glad Kelsey's on board.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Yeah, this is an exciting team. Other they're number one
in the nation and like every offensive category, it feels
like this is not This doesn't feel normal. It kind
of feels wrong.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
Yeah, I'm not sure what to do with my hands.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Yes, it's it's weird, but it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
It is. It is a lot of fun. And you know,
I think I think college basketball fans, and I think
to a degree, specifically UC fans, after decades of listening
to grumpy coaches during the postgame radio show, come up
with negatives during in the aftermaths of forty two point wins,
many of us are conditioned to nitpick really good performances.

(26:59):
I don't know what they're is offensively, at least to nitpick.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Yeah, they passed them all. Well, they don't turn it over,
they shoot it they I believe after Saturday. I'm sure
this has changed because a bunch of teams have played
since Saturday, but I believe after Saturday they led the
nation in dunks. Like again, it just doesn't make any
sense to me. A balanced offense that you know, doesn't
make mistakes and has really good offensive players that fit

(27:28):
together and seem to compliment each other. You've got high
usage guys, You've got guys that don't need.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
The ball in their hands to score.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
You've got guys that can shoot, You've got guys that
can finish at the rim like all of the piece.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
And we're early like you know, but.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
We did the BCJ podcast today and every time I
would be like, look, you know, they're not going to
be the highest field goal percentage team all season, and
Dave every time ago, well what if they are?

Speaker 6 (28:00):
And I'm not.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Ready to answer that question because it doesn't make any
sense to me though.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Uh So they'll play tonight. They're supposed to win tonight.
They're enormous favorites. So it's an Alabama state. Let's assume
they win that one size up the Villanova game for
me next Tuesday.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
I mean, it's you know, Villanova is still dangerous, if
for only because they have a guy that's a legitimate,
like first team All American candidate in Eric Dixon. He
can score thirty thirty five points on any given night,
right and he has a couple of times already this year.

(28:40):
So you've got to figure out a way to slow
down Eric Dixon.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
And you know, the.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
Big part I think is even if you don't, if
they continue to play as well as they have on offense,
I don't think Villanova has enough in the tank to
keep up. But the thing, you know that that keeps.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Standing out to me is.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Villanova last year kind of wasn't very good either, but
they managed three four like high, high profile wins. And
Cincinnati is going to go into their gym, which is
very tiny. We're not talking about the Sixers Arena, right,
They're gonna go go into a small gym, hostile environment

(29:30):
against a team that is desperate and Cincinnati having that
you know, kind of bullseye of they are metrically one
of the best teams in the country right now. Don't
let now though, but they're the second best team in
the Big Twelve. According to Ken Pom, I saw you

(29:50):
had Evan Maya on yesterday, and he's a huge fan
of the Bearcats and does a very good analytics ranking
of teams like Villanova.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
Gonna look at this one and.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Say, we got a shot to you know, get some
momentum back on our side. I think the good news
is the Bearcats have the better basketball team, and I
think almost certainly the Bearcats have the better coach, comparing
West Miller to Kyle Neptune.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
So you know, hopefully they.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Can get the job done.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
So just one more observation on them offensively, because I
don't know that I've seen this a ton watching the
game against Georgia Tech and being down there for the game,
and Georgia Tech's not very good. I've never seen a
team when an opposing guard penetrates and gets into the lane,
all they do is back off because they're concerned about

(30:42):
the lob. And Gisel James took advantage of that, and
Connor Hickman took advantage of that, and Simos Lukash has
took advantage of I've never seen that multiple time where
they're gonna give you a ten footer because they think
you're gonna throw a lob pass. That is the best
statement I can make about what this team has done
so far offensively.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yeah. And the beautiful part is this year it's not
just as ease.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
So they can't just drop on his ease and hope
that they take him away, because if you do that,
then Bylan Mitchell's flying in from the other side and
he's going to catch a lob and dunk on you.
So that you know it's we hated the lob last year, Mo,
we hated the lob last year, and all of a sudden,
like it's the most beautiful playing basketball because it either

(31:24):
does the defender comes up and you throw the lob
and you get an easy dunk, or the defender stays
and you've got some really gifted offensive players that can
put the ball in the basket in that eight to
ten feet range if you leave them, you know, moderately challenged.
So they're running really good stuff right now, and it's

(31:44):
not that's the beauty of when you have a good team, though.
You can run really good stuff that's not super complicated.
You can just run solid stuff and get good looks.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, and they've done that. Can they against good teams.
Can they have Page and Betsy not together, but can
they have those two kids on the floor and not
suffer a drop off defensively.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
I mean, you're going to have to and I think
you're going to have to understand that there's going to
be a little bit of a dip there. Fortunately, they've
both been able to play offense, and you know, I
expected that a Betsy Page has been a little bit
of a surprise on that end. What you hope is,
because you are getting them as many minutes as you

(32:32):
are right now, that you're able to get them at
least adequate where you know. What you don't want is
a guy that comes in and the opposing team just
points at him, like this guy, here he is. We've
been waiting for him to come on the floor. Whoever
he's guarding, we're going to throw the ball to. And
I think Georgia Tech did that a little bit on

(32:53):
Page on Saturday, and he's going to have to work
through that. He's going to have to figure out how
to be positionally sound, how to be a good fundamental
low post defender because teams are going to come after
him when he's in the game, because you know, they
know as these is not a thirty five minute a
game guy like you know, He's just not He's not

(33:15):
built for that, so they want to attack when he's
out of there. Page is going to have to get
used to it. That's the I think the the instincts
are there for him to be a good defender, and
we have seen that at times. I think it's just
learning the team concept and how they want him to
do it. I'm a little less worried about him than

(33:36):
I am about Page, But yeah, both of those guys
are important pieces of this rotation and they're they're going
to have to get up to speed to make sure
that part is not a liability when they're on the floor.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Chad Brendel Bearcadjournal dot Com on x at Chad Brendel,
what is the message to the fan base going to
be if at ten o'clock on Saturday, Scott Saderfield's team
has gone from five to two to five and seven.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
I mean, everybody's already mad. You're not going to be
able to say a whole lot to save it. Then
you have a fan base that sat out in twenty
degree weather watching them play a sunny Dike's team, which
you know, that's a little bit more of an insult
to injury if you lose, because historically they've they've beat

(34:24):
the crap out of sunny Dike's regularly. So I don't
know what they're going to have their work cut out
for them to sell that message of you know, we're
building and we're getting better. And even six and six
I think would have you know, people would have still

(34:45):
been upset that it wasn't better than six and six.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
But if you double your wind total.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
And you get to a bowl game and you know,
everything looks like it's moving forward, I think, you know,
you buy yourself some leeway.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
At five and seven, you end the season on.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
A five game losing streak, you got thumped by Kansas State.
We'll see what happens, you know against this really really good,
like top twenty level TCU offense. It's it's the messaging
is going to be a challenge to get everybody to
stay the course.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Are we to the point that we can start having
fun with this cheat of middle school thing.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
I've been having fun with it for a long time.

Speaker 9 (35:30):
I don't know what everybody else is doing.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Well.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I find it I find you know, I find everything
amusing and I do and I've I've just noticed a
lot of folks, regardless of how you feel about the
way this is unfolded, don't really seem to find the
humor in it. And I I, you know me, I
just I want to have a good laugh at everything,
and so I I want to have fun with this.

(35:55):
I want to, but I I need I need people
to have fun with you know, I need people to
have fun with when it comes to a story that
I just find terribly amusing.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
It is terribly amusing. I mean, what did they think
was gonna happen? They lived? They just took like they
went to gobearcats dot com and they went like like
like you know, Black Friday shopping, except they just didn't
pay for anything.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
Like it's hilarious, Like you know.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
You can be there's a million bearcat teams out there.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
But you know they don't use the sepol and like.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
The the nineteen fifties Bearcat Like that part is like,
what made you think that was?

Speaker 6 (36:37):
Okay? Well I don't. I don't understand that part of it.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I just want to say things like let's say that
the bearcats do what they're supposed to do tonight, and
I want to say, like, boy that you see treated
Alabama State like it's a Tennessee middle school. And I
want just everybody to laugh like I did. That's more
I like on on on Saturday night, like UC's defense
is really doing a great job against TCU, And you
could say, like, oh man, they're all over TCU like

(37:01):
a trademark lawyer. I mean, like, these are the jokes
I want to make, but like nobody to make them well,
because would I make them? I feel like people are
gonna get but hurt, and I I just I want
everybody to have fun, Like I'm terribly amused by this,
and I have just I have found in my travels
since Friday night that nobody is enjoying this whole thing

(37:22):
the way I just I find it funny, and so
I want everybody else to have a good old laugh.
And maybe you're the only person that'll laugh at it
with me. O.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
Look, I don't know if you know this or not
about me.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
I really don't care what people think. And if it
makes me laugh, I'm gonna make myself laugh. And if
other people laugh with me, that's cool. I appreciate it,
But I'm not overly concerned with whether they do or not,
because if I make me laugh, then I feel better
about my day. So you should feel better about your day,

(37:56):
whether other people enjoy it with you or not.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, the other day I made a little video to
preview the Tony and Mo Football Show, and I said
to someone off camera, let's make sure we can still
say the name Bearcats, which I thought was a fun
reference to it, and maybe it wasn't the funniest line ever.
And then I looked at some of the replies and
folks were just getting mad, like why why are we

(38:19):
mad all the time?

Speaker 6 (38:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
I wish I wish I had that answer, because that
would solve a lot of problems. I'm I'm very rarely mad.
I generally, I'm like you. I love to laugh, Mo,
I love to enjoy myself.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I just want everybody to be happy, go lucky like me.
I will see you at the game sunight, Chad.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
Thank you all right, I'll try to make you laugh
when I see Thank you.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Very much, Chad Brendall, Bearcat Journal dot Com. All right,
you know what we're gonna do. We have a guy
who works for us named Drew wester Heidi, who is
one of the biggest Dayton Flyers fans. I know my
alma mater, and uh I found this out today. Tarn
told me Drew's out there in Maui. Is he like
gonna like with his family just go out on his own?
His family bought tickets to this event last year. Really,

(39:05):
the well healed western heidis all right, So Drew is
out there, and yet we're gonna call him and we're
basically auditioning Drew to be our Daton correspondent. Yes, now,
because he will be joining us from Maui, I think
he should be allowed to turn in the expenses for
this trip. I agree.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
That's what he has to work out with.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
They'll join us from Maui when we come back, and
we'll talk about the Flyers who play Yukon tonight. That's
their reward for not winning against Carolina or Iowa State
in games the Dayton Flyers more than held their own
in but did not win. Next on ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Stations, ESPN fifteenth and.

Speaker 10 (39:46):
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Speaker 2 (39:59):
I can't wait to find out where Dan's gonna be.
He just said he's going to be on Bengals game plan.
But I've been working under the knowledge or the assumption
that he's going to be calling the game tonight. A
lot of intrigue, a lot of intrigue around here. All right,
we've been college basketball, have you. We're gonna go like
a lot of Bengal stuff coming up in the five
o'clock hour. It's twenty five after four o'clock. Drew Wester

(40:21):
Heidi has worked here for over a year, I think
for a while. And Drew is a big, big ud
basketball fan man after my own heart. My alma mater
played great for most of the night against North Carolina
on Monday, had a twenty one point lead, lost, and
then last night stood toe to toe against a good,
physical Iowa State team lost. And so they have a chance,

(40:44):
if they can beat you con tonight, to go down
as maybe the greatest seventh place team ever in the
history of the Maui Invitational, or if they lose, perhaps
be the greatest eighth place team ever in the history
of the Maui Invitational. Drew, it works for us. He's
in Maui and he is auditioning to be our UDI
basketball correspondents. He's not working. I have suggested, Drew, this

(41:07):
is your audition. I have suggested that if you do this, well,
you know, since we're making you work, you can like
turn in the receipts for this trip.

Speaker 11 (41:15):
Well that's all.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
Right, Moe.

Speaker 11 (41:17):
Just the chance to be on the show to talk
about the dating flyers is good enough for me at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
All right. So I'm watching UD Twitter after the game
last night, and they were fighting with each other because
you had the folks who are like, look, they showed
they belong on the floor with Iowa State in North
Carolina and that's a really good sign. And then there
were folks who are like, look, man, you got to
you gotta win these games. You only get so many
opportunities like this. You can't impress the committee by you know,

(41:41):
kicking ass in the A ten. You've got to get wins.
Even if you don't win both, you got to win
one of them, especially when they're there for the taking.
Which camp would you find yourself in?

Speaker 11 (41:52):
I buy myself in the camp you needed to get
one of them. Beating Iowa State would have been great.
I think that win would have ended up being better
than be eating North Carolina, to be honest. So I
reside in the you know, they went so to so
with two very very good basketball teams, and they're going
to have another opportunity to do that again when they
face Yukon later on tonight. But with Dayton, they just

(42:15):
need those one or two resume building wins to give
them some comfort as they go into the Atlantic ten season, because,
like you said, the Atlantic ten season doesn't really pose
those kind of opportunities. They're not very plentiful, so finding
a way to win one of those games, and you know,
Dayton could go zero to three facing the number twelve,
the number four, and the number two ranked teams in

(42:35):
the country. So even if they don't get the job
done against Yukon today, there really isn't any shame in that,
especially if they play well. And look, look, I feel
better about this Date basketball team today than I did
a couple of days ago before these games started. It
is just a little disheartening when you have two very
very good opportunities and you come up just shorts.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
So in late in the game against North Carolina, every
time I'm screaming at the to get a stop, they couldn't.
Was that a reflection of bad defense or how good
North Carolina is offensively?

Speaker 11 (43:07):
I think it had a lot to do with how
North Carolina is offensively. They've got some really good guards.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
RJ.

Speaker 9 (43:13):
Davis was you know, he.

Speaker 11 (43:14):
Played like a first team All American in the second half.
He at thirty points. Tremble was sensational as well. He
finished with twenty seven. It really did feel like North
Carolina just kind of took the game there. I didn't
think Dayton played bad in that second half. And it's
not like Dayton was up fourteen points with four minutes
to go and then just withered away and blew it.

(43:36):
You know, North Carolina just kind of slowly but surely
kipped away at the lead, chipped away at the lead,
made some big shots, and you know, Dayton is a toe.

Speaker 12 (43:44):
On the line away from going to overtime.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
So and then in the game last night, they're down
nine with ten or eleven minutes to go, and I
thought they were gonna fold things up, and they don't,
and they come this close to winning it. I fear
tonight there's just gonna be nothing left in the tank
emotionally or physically. Is that off base?

Speaker 11 (44:03):
No, it's not, because I was worried about that kind
of thing going into last night's game with Iowa State,
with like, man, you go toe to toe in North Carolina,
you lose, you come up short. How are the guys
gonna respond and turn around, you know, quick turnarounds and
play against a very very good Iowa State team and
they answer the call, and you know, now they have

(44:24):
to turn around and do it again. I do wonder
how much they're going to have left in the tank
playing a very good Yukon team. And I do think
there's two different Yukon teams we could see tonight. We
could see a very angry and upset and focused Yukon
team that just comes out and proves who they are
after two you know, lackluster days here on the island,

(44:45):
or you know, are they just like just get us
out of here, let's get back to Connecticut and figure
things out and kind of sleep walk through a seven
o'clock now e time game against the Date and Fires.
I think I lean more towards the first option I
think Dan Hurley's going to have these guys ready to play,
so Dayton's gonna have to come prepared.

Speaker 9 (45:03):
But we'll we'll learn.

Speaker 11 (45:04):
Even more about Dayton than we already have against this
game against the Husky.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I think it's an incredible juxtaposition, Drew, where on one
sideline you have this stoic, dignified gentleman in Anthony Grant,
who handles himself with class and dignity, and on the
other team, you have a coach who acts like a
three year old uh and so I'm looking forward to
seeing that dichotomy play out tonight.

Speaker 9 (45:29):
I am as well.

Speaker 11 (45:30):
You know, Dan Hurley cut his teeth in the Atlantic
ten before he went to Yukon, so Dayton fans have
been very familiar with him and his antics throughout the year.
So yeah, you're not gonna find two more polar opposite
coaches and how they coach their basketball team than Anthony
Grant and Dan Hurley. That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Is now MAUI. Obviously a year ago this event got
moved to the to the the Big Island. If I'm
not mistaken, they got moved to a Waho because of
the hurricane just decimated. Now and I was lucky enough
to go two years ago when when UC was there.
Is is it back to normal? What is it? What's
MAUI like.

Speaker 11 (46:08):
It feels about as normal as it can be as
it was like it was five years ago.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
Old.

Speaker 12 (46:13):
Lahina is all closed.

Speaker 11 (46:14):
Off because of the fires, obviously, but the weather's still
really good. You can still play a lot of golf,
and you can go catch some college basketball at the
Lahia Civic Center, which is just a great place to
watch a game. I think there are seventy five percent
of the high school gyms in Cincinnati are bigger than
the Lahina Civic Center. And you're getting these big time
basketball games like Iowa State and Auburn, you know, potential

(46:37):
final fourth style matchups. It's a unique event. It's my
favorite place in the world, and it really.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Has been fun.

Speaker 11 (46:45):
Obviously, a lot has been made about the fires here
a couple of years ago when they moved it out,
and you know a lot of Lahina's strong merch and
things like that, and it has been very cool to
see the community.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
We do you comes back. I lost her for a second.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Dree.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
You were you were doing you were doing your you
were doing so well and then the phone dropped and
I thought that that was yeah, and it was. It
was wildfires in Mali. I think I misspoke. I'm I'm
glad the event is back in that gym. That is
a really cool place. So you sound like a Mali regularly,
you like go there for like a month at a
time in vacation. You got a you got a place
out there. You go to Malli all the time.

Speaker 11 (47:24):
I would, I would if I could. This is my
second time out here. I was out here in twenty nineteen,
but it was my favorite, you know, my favorite place
in the world that I visited so far in my
twenty nine years on planet Earth. And hopefully this won't
be the last time I get out to the island.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Do you go to a lot of Dayton Road games? Uh?

Speaker 11 (47:44):
I try to get to some Dayton Road games every year.
I've been to a couple of the Atlantic ten gyms
to watch the Flyers play. I think Ducune's Dow Arena
in Pittsburgh is nice. I've been to VCU and Saint Louis,
so those are the three that I've been to. I'm
going to try and angle to get the Saint Joe's

(48:05):
this week.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
All right, very good. Well, I think you've done a
good job. We'll consider whether or not you're going to
be our Daton correspondent, but I'm leaning yes at the moment.

Speaker 11 (48:13):
Okay, well, I appreciate the opportunity. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Very good. That's true, Wester Heidi, And he's out there
in Mali. How do you think he did, Darren?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
I think we should have on more.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
When you talk dat in Bastwall, I do too. And
by the way, Drew's on X. I didn't know this
at Drew by d R E Wby from Mali. Not
a lot of people will call you when they're on
vacation and do your radio show, so he gets points
for doing that. I think Drew might be our Dayton guy.
I think Drew might be our our ud guy. Do

(48:46):
we have a Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow audio?

Speaker 13 (48:48):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (48:49):
Yes, we do?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
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(50:17):
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with Michigan in the Fort Myers tip off. That game
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of eleven people, so good for him. We're gonna play
some Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase audio or did these
guys say anything interesting? Or are we just playing the
audio just so we said we played the audio?

Speaker 14 (51:32):
U Joe more than Jamar.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Let's say what Joe Burrow had to say a little
while ago. A snippet, if you will, of that is
he chatted with the assembled local pro football media in the.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Games that you already asked and got up on some teams.

Speaker 8 (51:47):
What do you think has been the difference?

Speaker 15 (51:49):
And have you've been able.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
To four early on in the games?

Speaker 16 (51:52):
And games have been.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Able to do it well?

Speaker 1 (51:55):
We've we've also lost.

Speaker 17 (51:57):
I think we were three and five when we scored
first this year, so I don't think.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
That's been.

Speaker 17 (52:03):
You know, we've we've found a lot of different ways
to to lose games this year. Not just it's going
first or coming back and losing it at the end,
but a lot of different ways.

Speaker 18 (52:13):
You guys are you've won three straight games coming out
by plus put very seven on Pittsburg.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
A couple of years ago.

Speaker 18 (52:19):
Is there coincidence or is there something to when you
guys handle the bye way that you seem to really
kind of take.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
The ground running coming out.

Speaker 17 (52:26):
I think you should be at your best after the buye.
You know your body's fresh. You got two weeks to
prepare for an opponent, and you know, if you're not
feeling your best coming out of the buy, then you
did something wrong.

Speaker 13 (52:37):
The Steelers don't have as maybe sacks and precious as
that had in years passed, but the very effective passes
down the field.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Uh, why is that we got great players up front.

Speaker 17 (52:48):
It's hard to hold on the ball long enough to
to push the ball down the field. You know, teams
haven't really tried to to do that because of their
guys up front. They you know, teams try to run
the ball, play it quick, play action, get.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
The ball on the perimeter. You know they don't. You
don't want.

Speaker 17 (53:04):
To to let those edge rushers, you know, get off
the ball. May you push up into the pocket into
there until they're really good interior rushers.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
So you got to play the game a certain way.

Speaker 19 (53:15):
You got to second or anything that stands out about
those new guys and play.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
They're physical, they're really good tacklers.

Speaker 17 (53:23):
You know, their safeties are you know, two of the
best tandems in the league.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
You know, I have a lot of respect for those guys.

Speaker 17 (53:30):
The way that they're playing right now, the way that
they disguise their coverages. You just consistently see them making
open field tackles on plays that should have been explosives
and they come out and make an open field tackle
to limit that.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
So, you know, we're gonna have to be great in
the open field, making guys miss and creating some plays.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
You feel like y'all have to out when.

Speaker 17 (53:52):
I'm not worried about the playoffs at this point, you know,
I'm I'm worried about trying to to play my best,
be as consistent as I can, get our offense to.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
To an even higher level, and continue.

Speaker 17 (54:05):
To you know, create big plays, put points on the board,
and I'm just focused on trying to be the best
that I can be.

Speaker 8 (54:13):
Thanksgiving Tomorrow, What is it that you're thankful for this year?

Speaker 17 (54:18):
Thankful to be healthy currently, Thankful to be playing quarterback
in this league? What's on the borrowed about the opportunity
that I have weekend and week out to go improve
my ship myself, telegraph show all the hard work that
I've done for for a long time. So you know,
I'm always grateful for that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
What are you going to be eating tomorrow? Jam what's
on the menu?

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Green bean cast role? A little pumpkin pie. Hopefully that's good.
I don't know, we'll see what else.

Speaker 17 (54:47):
Usually little mashed potatoes too, Maybe a little turkey, but
mostly ham.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
I would love to playing on the holidays.

Speaker 17 (54:57):
That's something I've always wanted to do since I was
a little you know, play on Christmas, watching the NBA games.
I wanted to play in those, watching the football games
on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
That's something that I've always wanted to do.

Speaker 17 (55:09):
Having families get together on the holidays watch me play football.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
I think that's that's an exciting opportunity.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I like that answer, all right, how much of a
Jamar chase we have to get to, mister college basketball
Paul Freshner? Wow, how much of a Jamar chase do
we have?

Speaker 14 (55:23):
I mean, Jamar pretty much talked about his time out
hanging with Steph Curry and Dramond green Well.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I mean, like I find that interesting because I love
Steph Curry. Jamar Chase got to hang out with Steph Curry.

Speaker 14 (55:36):
You see him at the at the Warriors game. No, yeah,
he was of course out at the Warriors game doing
to buy a weekend they. I guess they could swap
jerseys or whatever. Really, how did I miss this?

Speaker 3 (55:46):
All?

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Right?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
How long is this audio?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
It's about two minutes because.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I this is I don't I don't care what Jamar
thinks about the Steelers. I'm sure he doesn't like him.
He's flipped off micka Fitzpatrick. I mean, and we know
how he feels.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
Like.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Let me hear Jamar talking out hanging out with Steph Curry,
because I think that's cool.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Said again, how do you feel happened?

Speaker 19 (56:10):
I'm good, feeling good fresh.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
It was like I.

Speaker 13 (56:13):
Guess bashtball players. What was like in stuff?

Speaker 19 (56:18):
Yeah, that was my first time meeting with him. Draymond
put in a good word for me to get a jersey,
So thank you?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah, did you?

Speaker 16 (56:27):
Was just kind of what.

Speaker 19 (56:30):
We just talked for a little bit, you know, just
admired each other's you know, game and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
So that wasn't too many words that a.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Guy like that he considered one of the trans winners.

Speaker 19 (56:39):
And games shut just mean I got a lot of
respect for me, you know, and you know I'm going
a long way. Just need to keep going.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
What do you say about your view?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
He just telling me I'm bothered right now.

Speaker 19 (56:50):
I ain't gonna say what Draymond said, but he just said,
I'm balling right now. I hung out with Draymond a
few times. We've seen each other in paris a fashion
we can. That's when we started to chop up a
little more.

Speaker 18 (57:03):
I think they're a score off step.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I could score on them. I probably can't check him, though.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah, is there a parallel?

Speaker 15 (57:10):
There's stuff's that tough seasons where they haven't reached their
balls as a team, but his game's.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Never dropped off his career.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Is that something you hope to say when it's all
said down here?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Like stuff you're talking about?

Speaker 19 (57:22):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean he's mad consistent with a
lot of things he's doing. If I had someone to
strive for to be more consistent like, it would probably
be him too.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yet all right, nobody asked Jamorrow what he's eating. They
probably did hammer turkey. If you can only have one,
what are you having?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
You said?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Hammer, Turkey hammer turkey ham. Yeah, I'm kind of I
love turkey, but like a really well done I'm not
talking about like sliced ham. I'm talking about like a
baked ham, a pineapple on it. Yeah, I'm starving, mister basketball.
Paul Fishner. Next, how about making a resolution to feel
Bill Homa the Bengals. Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty, a busy

(58:03):
sports night. Xavier's playing Michigan in Fort Myers. And you know,
earlier we weren't sure if we were going to have
our guy Rick Boring on and Arren was in a panic,
and I'm like, you know what, mister college basketball. We've
given him that nickname and we haven't run a buy
and we haven't even had him on yet. Paul Frishman,

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who is part of the Sean Miller podcast, part of
All in the Xavier Basketball docu series, he's mister Big East.
He's in Fort Myers where he was eating Skyline today
and I'll be honest, I saw that post and I'm like,
we don't need Rick today. We'll just call Paul, who
we probably should have been having on all along. Nothing
against Rick. So Paul's with us from Fort Myers.

Speaker 16 (58:45):
Hi, Paul, No, it is an honor to be on
That's a great nickname. I'm happy to try and do
to do, you know, as as much justice to that
nickname as I can. But I will say it's great
to be here in Fort Myers and have a little
taste of home with sky line. Was pretty good, Pretty good,
you know, being down here. I never had a Florida
Skyline before.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Not bad. Well, I'm glad you're with us. I hope
it's not the last time. And you know, we could
workshop the whole mister college basketball thing. We'll figure out
a good nickname. So let me start with the game
that you saw on Monday, when Xavier played South Carolina.
It was ugly, but they won, And I think you
learn a lot about teams when they win ugly and
non home environments. Do you agree, Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 16 (59:26):
And I didn't get a chance to hear Rick's segment,
so I hope I'm not repeating myself from what Rick
talked about with Xavier. But I mean for Dalen Swain,
who we've been kind of hoping to see be a
little bit more aggressive in his play here this season,
for him to have five steals, for Xavier player to
do that in three seasons. I mean, that's obviously indicative

(59:47):
of how Dalen can play here going forward for Xavier.
And then to overcome a slow start in the first
half have such a strong second half, especially on a
night when going into the night you were the seventh
best three point shooting team in the country and now
you take a little bit of a step back. You
only make four threes on the night, but hey, guess what,
you still win almost by double digits. That goes to

(01:00:09):
show that you can win multiple ways. South Carolina did
have a pretty imposing front court. I don't want to
say it was the best front court, but imposing size wise,
and that's been the biggest question mark Xavier. They pass
all those tests and now you have a chance to
win a little title here down in Fort Myers. Tonight
against Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
How much of an uptacking competition of the Wolverines versus
Monday night.

Speaker 16 (01:00:31):
A significant I mean Michigan, at least right now is
Xavier's sixth hardest game remaining on the schedule. You go
at uc you play at Yukon, you have Marquette twice,
and then you have at Saint John's other than that,
this is the most difficult test that Xavier will face
this season, and it's because of a couple of things. One,

(01:00:52):
the two seven footers in the front court. You have
Planned Black Golden seven foot one in the front court.
He was a part of that Final four team with
Dusty May down there at Florida Atlantic, now the head
coach here at Michigan. And then you have another center
footer seven footer as well for the Wolverine. So that's
one challenge in and of itself. But also you see

(01:01:13):
the pace that Michigan plays at, and I think the
difference in this game though, is going to be the
turnover battle, because Michigan is one of the worst teams
in the country at taking care of the basketball, but
what they're one of the best teams in the country
at creating turnovers. So if Xavier can take care of
the ball and maybe force a few turnovers there because
Michigan's susceptible to that, things will bode well for Xavier.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
You're around the program more than most I thought they
took a major step forward and watching them critically against
Wake Forest, so you know, tonight really their third high
major opponent in less than two weeks. Looking at the
team from a thirty thousand foot view across six games,
what have you learned about this bunch?

Speaker 16 (01:01:55):
Yeah, one game after another, they've just been getting better.
And if you kind of remove those first.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
I know you can't, but if you could, if you
could take if you.

Speaker 16 (01:02:02):
Take away those first two games against Texas Southern and
IU Indy, they've been playing up to kind of I
think the standard that a lot of people thought they
would going into the season. And you know, I know
you're a Dayton guy too, Mo, And if you think
back to that exhibition that Davier played against Dayton. To me,
I was kind of talking about this the other day,
and I know it's an exhibition. Who knows how much

(01:02:24):
you can really read out of that game, But to me,
I still feel like that was Xavier's best performance of
the season. And again it was in an exhibition in
a game that didn't count. But I walked out of
that game feeling better about Xavier than I have out
of any of the actual regular season games that we've seen.
And I think that's indicative of the ceiling that this
team has in the fact that the likes have turned on.
You're playing games that matter now. These are regular season

(01:02:46):
games that'll count for you know, your resume in March,
and can you go out there and get it done
against a team like Michigan that it is tall, they're physical,
but they can also shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
The basketball really well.

Speaker 16 (01:02:59):
I think Xavier is definitely trending in the right direction,
and they have a player and Ryan Connell who can
fill it up from deep. And that's all you can
ask for right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
How many different outlets are you working for right now?

Speaker 16 (01:03:11):
So I was great, you know, it was great down
there being a part of the Field of sixty eight.
I heard you mentioned that earlier, the Field of sixty
eight tip off event down there in Charleston, which Ku
was just down there today to see coach Mack hadn't
seen him in a while and to get to catch
up with him. And then of course the All In
docu series, the episode second episode of that launched today.

(01:03:31):
Really cool, really really maybe honored sounds too dramatic, but
awesome to be a part of something of this magnitude
in college basketball, where you have a lot of programs
that do things behind the scenes, but to tell stories,
to sit down with players, to be at practice, to
tell the story of a program in this way in
the middle of the season, because you've seen other teams

(01:03:53):
do this, but a lot of times MO it launches
at the end of the year, after you know the
results of the season. You can kind of retroactively build
the storylines.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
We're doing.

Speaker 16 (01:04:00):
That's all in real time, so to be able to
tell those stories and the highs of Zach and Jerome
coming back from an injury, the low of Latina Treori
tearing his acl all that was covered in today's show.

Speaker 9 (01:04:11):
It's great.

Speaker 16 (01:04:11):
So yeah, between that and the Sean Miller podcast and
everything else, it's a busy time of the year.

Speaker 9 (01:04:15):
But that's why we love doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
All right, really quick here, when the next time you
do the podcast with with Sean Miller, I want you
to say to him on the podcast, coach, I need
you to refer to me as mister college Basketball. And
if he signs off on it, that's your new nickname.

Speaker 6 (01:04:27):
Okay, Look, that's fantastic.

Speaker 9 (01:04:29):
I can make that happen, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Well, which, by the way, he invited me on and
I hasn't hasn't followed up, so see where that is. Hey,
hev me on before the shady time.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
We will.

Speaker 16 (01:04:39):
We will have you on anytime. We will have you
on at any point.

Speaker 9 (01:04:43):
Let's make it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Happen, all right, Well, just run the nickname past him.
Enjoy the game tonight, man, Thank you for joining us
in short notice. Good to have you. We'll do it again.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
Thanks.

Speaker 16 (01:04:50):
Thanks for having me up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
That's a really good and talented guy. Paul Frishner Field
of sixty eight Shawn Miller Podcast five o'clock ESPN fifteen
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Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Station Bengals and coverage begins Sunday morning at nine on
ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 19 (01:05:08):
How what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
It'small lighter, ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you so much for listening.
It's the bud Light five o'clock Happy Hour. Look, I
we can all make jokes about how Thanksgiving Eve is
kind of amateur night, but it really is one of
the most fun nights of the year. So two things.
Number One, whatever you're doing tonight, please be responsible, Please
be safe. Number two, have a nice cold bud Light. Now,

(01:05:30):
we've got Bearcat Basketball that I'm going to be at tonight,
but by about nine forty five tonight, I will have
a nice cold bud light in my hand. So I've
got to wait for the butt light five o'clock happy hour.
You do not, or at least I hope you don't,
so take advantage of the butt light five o'clock happy
hour with a nice cold bud light. Let's see, we
have a lot to get to this hour. We're gonna

(01:05:51):
do something now we typically do on Tuesdays. Sean say
Ed Statson Scheme podcast Love Talking Football with this guy
Summer Sports dot Com Monday Morning Matchup Quarterback. This guy
is a lot of fun to talk to. I'm glad
you're here, by the way, on x at say Ed Schemes,
usually we talk about the Bengals game that they just
played because you've had to watch the tape of it.

(01:06:12):
The good news for you is you don't have to
watch the Bengals on film.

Speaker 12 (01:06:15):
No, you know, I missed it.

Speaker 13 (01:06:17):
I'm just glad that we still found a way to
be able to talk to each other. I will say,
I think Bengals fans, maybe you read a little sigh
of relief.

Speaker 12 (01:06:23):
Maybe you look around the league.

Speaker 13 (01:06:24):
You see some teams falling apart in different ways, and
you feel a little bit better about your own situation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
So maybe I do feel this, Like I watched the
Steelers against Baltimore. That's not a good Baltimore defense. Pittsburgh
couldn't score a touchdown against him. Obviously, the snow was
a mitigating factor in that game last Thursday against Cleveland,
but Pittsburgh offensively struggled in that one, and so the
Bengals get Pittsburgh come into town. Cincinnati is actually a
favorite at home against the team that leads the division.

(01:06:51):
What sort of cracks are we seeing in that Steelers offense.

Speaker 13 (01:06:55):
The Steelers offense, it's just as a whole, it's just
not a really strong unit. I think that they've had
some good rookie play from their center. I think Russell
Wilson is just it's not that he is limited.

Speaker 12 (01:07:07):
I do think he is limited in.

Speaker 13 (01:07:08):
A few different ways, just in terms of what areas
of the field he wants to attack. But the offense
is really built on we're gonna run a bunch inside.

Speaker 12 (01:07:15):
We're gonna hope we can beat you on play action.

Speaker 13 (01:07:17):
And Russell Wilson's gonna take his shots on the outside.

Speaker 12 (01:07:20):
To George Pickens, He's gonna throw some nice defense.

Speaker 13 (01:07:22):
He had some really nice throws to Calvin Austin in
that Thursday night loss in the snow against the Brown.
So I just think that their offense it's really streamlined.
I think it doesn't have all the answers to deal
with what defenses want to throw at them.

Speaker 12 (01:07:37):
And if you can.

Speaker 13 (01:07:37):
Just make sure that you don't get beat deep on
some of those passes, I think that that gives you
just a good chance at beating a team that, yes,
they are at eight and three, I just don't think
at this point they're probably as good as their record.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
So they put Russell Wilson in as starting quarterback in
that game against the Jets and they kind of took off.
Is are we gonna view those performances early in his
tenure start in Pittsburgh as an outlier? Like break down
Russell Wilson for me, you know.

Speaker 13 (01:08:04):
His performance it's dependent on if that ball when it's
thrown in the air is a caught by the receiver.
So it's not that Russell Wilson like is good or bad.
It's just that there is examples where you're gonna have
Barrans in the other direction where he's gonna.

Speaker 12 (01:08:18):
Throw that deep ball outside and your DV.

Speaker 13 (01:08:20):
Is just able to make a play on it, and
it's gonna make his statline look a lot worse. I
will say he did make a couple really nice throughs
outside of that, a little bit outside of structure when
he's moved outside of the pocket by the defensive line,
a few good timing throws against that Browns defense. So
I do think that you know he has the ability
to lead a winning offense. I just think there's so
much variance where you have that just deep outside ball

(01:08:42):
where the Steelers offense to day is going to be
decided on if that's a catch or if that's not.
So I think that you know Russell Wilson at this
point in his career, he just he is what he is,
and so you're just finding different ways, you know, like
the way that the Ravens did, where you have you.

Speaker 12 (01:08:55):
Make sure you have a safety over the top of
George Pickens.

Speaker 13 (01:08:57):
You're not allowing them to isolate you on the outside,
and that way you can slow them up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
So the Bengals obviously have to to go on on
a run here, right, maybe can only afford one more loss.
They've got elite frog teams. They do get a chance
to play the Denver Broncos. I've watched every snap of
Denver's last three games, and I continue to be more
and more impressed by bo Nicks. When I watched him
early in the season, I kind of felt like he
was in over his head. Take me through his progression

(01:09:24):
as a rookie quarterback in Denver.

Speaker 13 (01:09:26):
I think the first few games of Bonix, I was
thoroughly unimpressed, and I think the last two games I
was very impressed. I think that a lot of that
has been look Look, you know, as a rookie, you
don't have to be judged on your first three games,
like you get to continue playing the game if you're
in the red circumstance, And I think that he has
looked more comfortable in the pocket now. Part of that
is the pass protection has looked just good the last

(01:09:47):
two games. I think that's a really positive aspect of it.
Where two games ago against the Falcons, like that was
a really good situation for him, where you're getting two
touchdowns where you're throwing the ball behind the line of scrimmage.
I feel like they are certainly a team that is
led by their defense, but Nicks has improved like he
is becoming a real player where they're gonna be comfortable
within their system again, They're gonna have a bunch of
throws underneath.

Speaker 12 (01:10:08):
They're going to try and keep Dicks on time because.

Speaker 13 (01:10:10):
When his you know, when his feet are right, when
his head is right, he can make the throws that
need to be made in this league. So I do
think that, you know, early on this season, they felt like, hey,
this Broncos team is is really not for real just
because of what they've had at the quarterback position.

Speaker 12 (01:10:24):
Now, I feel like Knicks is coming along in.

Speaker 13 (01:10:26):
A way that makes me feel like they do have,
you know, just sustainable offense. And you know, it's still
a little bit where as I mentioned, you're getting a
lot of points where you're throwing the ball behind the
line of scrimmage, where that's hard to kind of bank.

Speaker 12 (01:10:36):
On every single week.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
But it feels like they're introducing.

Speaker 13 (01:10:38):
A little bit more to Nick's every single week, and
I think it's paying off so far for Sean Payton
and the Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
So they've got to catch and lead frog Denver Bengals
do get a chance to play him later in December
at home. They've got a lead frog Indianapolis. The Colts
really don't worry me all that much. That Miami team
has kind of come from nowhere to get to five
and six. They've done it with two and Tangavoi Lowa healthy.
That's the key. They're going to play in some cold
weather games. Uh, Miami worries me? Should they worry me?

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
I do think they.

Speaker 12 (01:11:08):
Should worry you there.

Speaker 13 (01:11:08):
Of course, they're on a three game win streak right
now where Tua is healthy and he's throwing.

Speaker 12 (01:11:12):
The ball on time. I think when you look at some.

Speaker 13 (01:11:15):
Of the examples of nice throws against the Patriots, it's
these quick throws like Tua is what Tua is. And
I think that the way that Mike McDaniel has tried
to evolve that offense where it's more, you know, different streams.
I actually think Johnah Smith their tight ends than a
really really big ad there where of course spangles legend
Mia sicky we used to be there, but now they
have Jonah Smith where he's going to be kind of

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released on like that interior part of the pass pattern
where of course waddle and hill outside are going to
push teams vertically.

Speaker 12 (01:11:43):
They're going to have those inbreakers.

Speaker 13 (01:11:44):
But now two, I think is more comfortable getting to
that third option where it's a real third option.

Speaker 12 (01:11:49):
And then, of course they have so much speed kind
of in the running back swing game.

Speaker 13 (01:11:52):
So I do think that they're a team that should
worry you for the playoffs. By it feels like they're
the team that is kind of poised to make a run.

Speaker 12 (01:12:00):
Look at the rest of their schedule.

Speaker 13 (01:12:00):
Of course, they play the Packers on Thanksgiving, they still
have the Texans, they still have the forty nine ers,
so there's a chance that they get tripped off a
little bit, and you know, it does feel.

Speaker 12 (01:12:09):
Like they're moving in the right direction.

Speaker 13 (01:12:10):
I think two is playing pretty well, so I think
it's going to be interesting where on the defensive side.
They have rookie Chop Robinson who's been really productive as
a pass rusher. It feels like they're kind of hitting
their stride at the right time of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
All right, one more for you, and we'll jump back
into Bengals film next week. So we haven't stopped litigating
the decision this past offseason to trade Joe Mixon to
the Texans, and he's played well there the Texans. I
don't really consider them AFC title contenders quite yet offensively
to me, because of injury and other factors, they've been

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kind of underwhelming. But Joe has played well. It's not
like he's lit the world on fire. And yet here
they never really figured out a way to replace him.
Most of us understood why they moved on from him.
Just thirty thousand foot view this for me, the Bengals
decision to let Joe Mixon go. Why is it worked
in Houston at least to the extent that maybe it
didn't in Cincinnati.

Speaker 13 (01:13:03):
Look, when you have to make a decision in a
salary cap league, there's going to be unfortunate situations where
you move on from players that are beloved by your franchise,
that are successful, that are really good. And especially when
you have now your quarterbacks getting paid, you want to
pay multiple receivers.

Speaker 12 (01:13:19):
You want to find just different ways.

Speaker 13 (01:13:20):
I think that it made sense based on where Joe
Mixon was in his career. Like I guess I don't
have like this huge objection you think about, Like I
think Chase Brown has done a good job. I think
Kase Brown is going to be just a good back
for this Bengals team. And it's really hard to watch
you know some of those early games where mixing to
scoring touchdowns and he's.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Able to do that.

Speaker 13 (01:13:38):
Now, I don't think that's like the flaw and the
offense for the Bengals by any means like they don't
want to play a bunch of under center. They don't
want to run the style of run game that Joe
Mixon is accustomed to. So I think the overall decision
and we look across the landscape of the league, right
we see Saint Juan Barkley, we see Derek Henry, we
see Josh Jacobs, we see Aaron Jones having success in
new places.

Speaker 12 (01:13:58):
Like I just think that we have to It is
a salary cap league.

Speaker 13 (01:14:01):
It's not, you know, a situation where you just get
to have every single player.

Speaker 12 (01:14:06):
And when you look at a player at a certain
point of his career.

Speaker 13 (01:14:08):
I think that, you know, you look at the decision,
it's not just this year, it's maybe an extended period
of time where again, I think the Bengals have been
by at the running back position. So I think that
when we look back on it, I think in the
long run it may feel a little bit more positive.

Speaker 12 (01:14:22):
It's just hard to stomach. I think sometimes in the
short running.

Speaker 13 (01:14:24):
It feels like for the Bengals, it's more about, hey,
maybe retaining some of the other players, opticularly on the
defensive end. I think that could have made a bigger
difference between last year, between the year before that and
kind of other things going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
You know, regardless of how you feel about this season,
Hard Knocks is awesome, and the Bengals are going to
be a part of Hard Knocks the first time they've
ever followed an entire division during the season. Hard Knocks
in Season with the AFC North is going to premiere
on Tuesday night, and this is going to run clear
through the playoffs. Now, the Bengals obviously have to get
there and they've got their work cut out for them.

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But Hard Knocks is awesome. NFL Films is great, and
so I'm excited for this, and I'm excited to see
how some of the sausage has been made this season
for a Bengals team that obviously has, I think for
most of us, dramatically underachieved. Do not let that underachievement
damper your enthusiasm for Hard Knocks in Season with the
AFC North. It premieres on Tuesday night and the people

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at HBO are hosting a watch party at the Blind
Pig downtown, pretty close to the venue originally known as
Paul Brown Stadium, and the folks at HBO are nice
enough to ask me to MC so I'm thrilled for this.
My first question was, are you guys gonna have on
the UC game because the Bearcats play Villain Over that night,

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and I have been assured the answer is yes. So
this is gonna be a lot of fun, especially if
you don't have HBO or MAX and you want to
at least watch the first episode see what it's all about.
Come on out and join us. We've got some really
cool giveaways. And I know I say that everywhere we go,
but we do have some really cool giveaways thanks to HBO,
and we'll have a lot of fun. So I hope

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to see you there. That's Tuesday at the Blind Pig,
thanks to HBO and Max. Obviously, the Bengals have been
on Hard Knocks before, the Steelers have not. I was
listening to Mike Tomlin talked about the Hard Knocks experience
this week Bengals Steelers on Sunday. Obviously, this game is
going to be a big part of Hard Knocks Andrew

(01:17:25):
Philipponi ninety three to seven. The fan in Pittsburgh is
with me. This dude is awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
It's interesting. The Steelers lead the AFC North Tough Division.
They recently beat the Baltimore Ravens in a bruising football
game that looked like most Pittsburgh Baltimore games. And yet
when I look at FanDuel, the Pittsburgh Steelers betting odds
to win the AFC are longer than those of the
Houston Texans. Should I be taking the Steelers seriously as
AFC title contenders?

Speaker 7 (01:17:52):
Why did I bet them to win the Super Bowl
before their game against Washington, thinking that I would get
better odds there, and then if they were to go
out win some of these games, their odds would shrink
and I would have a very good value bet. And
it looked that way up until Thursday night in Cleveland.
They are the only team in the AFC North that

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is in the upper half of the league involved scoring
offense and scoring defense. So to me, that's a pretty
good formula their profile in terms of what they're good
at and what they're great at. Honestly, MO, it's pretty
much the same exact thing as Kansas City. Last year,
Kansas City, I think was second in scoring defense and

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they were fifteenth in scoring offense and low and bold.
That's exactly where the Steelers are right now going into
this game Sunday in Cincinnati. Now, they don't have Patrick Mahomes,
but they do have a quarterback that's been to two
Super Bowls and one one of them, and if not
for a stupid play call at the goal line, he
might have two in his back pockets. So I do
think that they absolutely should be right to head of

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Houston given their offensive live problems in the way CJ.
Stroud has turned the ball over this year. I think
the Keelers are better than them, and we'll find out
even more against them about them Sunday in Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
How would you assess how Russell Wilson has played?

Speaker 7 (01:19:11):
I think he's coming off a really good game, so
I would give him probably a B to B plus
on the season. It's interesting you would think they beat
the Ravens, you feel great about your quarterback in that game.
They lose to Cleveland. You feel awful about your quarterback
after that game. It's the exact opposite. Mo he had
the worst QBR of any quarterback in the NFL, and

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that Ravens win. And I was in the stadium and
my eyes told me the same thing. He took back sacks,
they weren't able to cash in and get the ball
in the end zone. You made a couple of as
he often does, some of these wing in a player
plays where he just throws it up and he trusts
George Pickens or a wide receiver to come down with
the ball. But if not for the amazing defensive performance,

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we would have looked at that game against Baltimore and said, oh,
what's going on with Russell Wilson. And then conversely Thursday,
the conditions got so bad as the game went on.
It was a snow globe type game, and he was
twelve or thirteen on third down. At one point, he
had completed the first eleven passes of the game. He
completed a big fourth downd Friar moved to move the

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chains late in the game. He found Talvin often over
the middle on a touchdown to put them up in
the fourth quarter. I really liked what he did in
that game, and his offensive line didn't give him any
didn't give him much help. They really didn't do much
in the run game, and Mike Tomlin made brain dead decision.
So I thought he was the silver lining to that
Volua Tomlin was atrocious. He was the silver lining to

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that game in Cleveland. Then I feel pretty good about
Russell Wilson going into a matchup against the Cincinnati Bengals defense.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
We've we've seen moments where they've used justin fields. Do
we think they're going to expand upon that on Sunday
based on.

Speaker 7 (01:20:52):
What Tomlin said on Tuesday? Yes, and I disagreed. I
think it's great in theory. I think you look at
Taysom Hill in New Orleans and you say to yourself,
why can't we do similar things with justin fields? And
it's helped at times. The last two weeks. He came
in against Baltimore and pretty much was in the game

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when they ran the clock out and secured victory. Now,
he did a quarterback slide too early and forced them
into an unnecessary down, so that wasn't a great play.
And then on Thursday night against the Browns when they
were trailing late, he got loose down the sideline on
a run and that helped set up their first fourth
quarter touchdown drive. But he was also in the game

(01:21:35):
on a third and four when they needed a first
down to ice the game, and he threw it forty
yards downfield to George Pickens. Now, I put that again
one of the coaches that I do him. But it's
just the tricky nature, the balancing act of trying to
use two quarterbacks, and I think it's way too hard
to do. That's why very few teams do it college pros.
If you name it and give it how Russell Wilson

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just played, I want to give him a chance to
win this game. They are the thirtieth ranked red zone
offense in the NFL, and yet they have not used
Justin Fields as a package player in those situations. So
my guess is you'll see him on Sunday MO if
they get it inside the red zone and it's say

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second in goal of the six yard line. I wouldn't
be surprised if a play like that went to Justin Fields.
I just don't like the way it takes Russell Wilson
out of the flow and rhythm of the offense.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Right now, Andrew Philipponi is with US ninety three to seven.
The fan in Pittsburgh Bengals Steelers on Sunday, you kind
of referenced how they're using the quarterback. So I want
to ask about Arthur Smith because I feel like every
time I talk with you, we are discussing the public
sentiment being aimed at the offensive coordinator of the Steelers.
What I know about Arthur Smith is he used to

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coach the Falcons. He's got a cool mustache, and he's
the only person under the age of sixty five named Arthur.
Is he a good offensive coordinator?

Speaker 7 (01:22:59):
He's better than what he had, and I won't say
good yet. I think he's confident. I think he's somebody
that I think he takes orders well and instructions well
from Tomlin, and so I think that's an important part
of the job. But there are a lot of things
that make me question whether or not he's the right

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coordinator to take the Steelers offense to the level where
we think they can. In a game where it's a
shootout Sunday against Cincinnati, can they score thirty five points?
Not do it? Can they do it without the help
of say, two turnovers or big special teams play. Can

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they on their own generate that kind of offense, and
I would say right now, no with him. They brought
Mike Williams in. He caught a touchdown pass on his
first target from Washington against Washington. He's played forty four
snaps since he hasn't been targeted one time. Michael Pruett,
who's one of these Arthur Smith Atlanta and Tennessee guys.

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He's in the Arthur Smith club. He's an Arthur Smith
teacher's pet. He's a third tight end. He played thirty
two snaps against the Browns. You already have a great
blocking tight end in Darnell Washington. We don't need overkill.
And then the red zone offense, Like I said, the
play calling down there. They've run it on first down
just about every time, and every team in the league
knows it and they stuff it right away. So you

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put yourself in second and long. So anybody would be
an upgrade over what we had in Matt Canada. The
guy was just totally overmatched.

Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
He was a complete.

Speaker 7 (01:24:34):
Buffoon, and as a college coordinator, not an NFL coordinator
by any means. But I'm wondering about Arthur Smith right now.
I give him grade wise probably a C plus to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
B minus to this point in the season, let's talk
about Pittsburgh on defense, because what I watch doesn't necessarily
mesh with stuff like DVOA where they're good but not great.
And what I watch would suggest when I watch that
balt More game, that's a really good Ravens offense. Pittsburgh
bottled it up, you know. The Ravens got that last
touchdown in the final minute of the game to make

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an interesting really interesting. But still I thought they were
terrific that day. How good is this Pittsburgh defense And
if they have a weakness, where is it?

Speaker 7 (01:25:16):
Well, I think got paper it's it's great and it
should be great. They're paying more for defensive players than
any team in the league. And it's coached really by
Mike Tomlin. So if your defense is not elite or
close to elite, something's grossly wrong, either abysmal coaching or
you're just beset by injuries. I mean, there's no reason

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for them to not be a top five defense in
the NFL. Now, where they get themselves in trouble lately
is that they have not stiffened in the red zone
the last three games. By the numbers, they're the worst
red zone defense in the entire NFL. And the other
thing about it is you would you would assume with

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TJ Watt that they would be great at putting pressure
on the quarterback. The reality is they're not, and there's
a stubbornness going on here where they are dead set
on getting pressure with only four guys. They're not sending
a fifth or sixth rusher, and that really I think
hurt them. Against Jamis Winston Thursday, they didn't heat him

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up at all and he had enough time to go
through his reads in bad weather and make plays. TJ
Watt was invisible in that game. It was probably his
worst game in a Steelers uniform. So that actually might
be a good thing for the Steelers because I don't
think the odds are very high that he's going to
have back to back bad games and he's going to
be matched up against the marius Men, so that'll be

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a welcome to the NFL kind of moment for him.
I like TJ Watt in that spot. But to answer
your question, mo, I think that if you watch them
against Baltimore, you think they were the best defense in
the NFL, and if you watch them against Cleveland you
think they're overrated. So I'm gonna say they're very good,
close to great, and given the way defense is played

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in twenty twenty four, you probably have to say they're
elite because there are no two thousand Ravens or legion
of Boom defenses in the NFL anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Well said, I'll let you get to it, man. Do
appreciate the time as always, enjoyed the game on Sunday.

Speaker 7 (01:27:20):
Thanks mo say brother, it's my guy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
All right, we typically do this on Wednesdays. We moved
it back an hour this week for scheduling purposes because
we came on late due to the NK you broadcast.
But we talk injuries once a week with one of
the experts from Ortho Sincy Orthopedics and Sports Medicine. The
great thing about Orthosincy is they've got specialists on locations
and services all over the Tri State and this includes
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extended evening and weekend hours in Edgewood and Anderson. Learn
more at orthosinc dot com. That's orthosci Ncy dot com.
Doctor Brandon Chorus from Orthossincy is with us. So we
have to start by talking about DJ Turner, who unfortunately
is is out for what feels like the season with

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a claviical fracture. Now I hear claviical and I hear collarbones.
Sometimes it makes me feel like cla is just another
word for collarbone. Is that the case claviical.

Speaker 15 (01:29:03):
Is another name for collarbone. Those are the same thing.
So the clavical collarbone, it's a bone that connects the
sternum so the inside of the chest out to the
scopular bones not really a true connection. There's ligaments there
which you can have issues with as well, usually the
lateral ones. But yeah, so claviical collarbone, same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Do do injuries like this often heal without surgery.

Speaker 15 (01:29:28):
A lot of them can, and that depends on, you know,
especially in DJ's case, depends on a few things. Depends
on that it's placed. Another fracture, if you have any shortening.
So when you break a bone, you know it can
you can break it and you can call you know,
what we call a hairline fracture, where you see a
line but it's not displaced. It means it's not off.
It means that you look at it and you can't

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really it's hard from far away, it might even be
hardest to hard to notice the fracture. And so if
we have a non displaced fracture or a fracture where
the ends are still pretty close, especially collar bones tend
to do pretty well with nonoperative management. You can treat
those without surgery. Now, and an NFL football player is
going to be involved in a lot of collision type activities,

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you might tend to lean towards something more surgical if
you have any displacement shortening, or if you have any
concern that that might not heal in its current alignment
of position.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Can can you compare the timeline for recovery based on
not having surgery and then if you were to have
to have surgery.

Speaker 15 (01:30:28):
Yeah, so surgery non surgery, And this is true in
any injury, and surgery doesn't often improve the amount of
time it takes something to heal. Now, it can improve
the alignment and the return to activities, return to function.
So if you fix something with a plate and screws,
you might get somebody back a few weeks, a few

(01:30:48):
weeks sooner. But you know, ideally you avoid surgery if
you can, but if you need it, you do it.
And you know, it looks like you might be getting
a second opinion from somebody. And so to me, that
means that you know, if it's displaced, if it's significantly shortened,
I mean, this is something that's kind of a no brainer.
You're taking them to the operating room and getting them
fixed up. Just the fact that you know he hasn't

(01:31:08):
It doesn't sound like he's had surgery, and it sounds
like we're getting some other thoughts on this. Potentially this
could be something you treat without surgery, but you know
they're talking about no guarantees out the rest of the year.
I mean, I think you're at least, you know, six
eight weeks minimum. I mean, if all goes well, and
even that might be pushing it. I mean, you you
give this thing a good two or three months before

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it's really solid, and you're increasing vitamin D. You're doing
some different things to try to get this to heal
a little quicker. But these are things that you know
take a while to heal, but if you give it time,
you should make a full recovery.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
So DJ Turner suffers a broken clavical lands hard on
his shoulder, and you know, at Phays value, I feel
like I see guys land on their shoulders all the time,
and then I'm watching Gardner Minshaw the Raiders gets you know,
lands hard on his shoulder, and then he's out for
the season with a broken collarbone, and it just it
feels like I feel like I watch football every single
week and I see guys laying on their shoulder all
the time. And yet relatively speaking, there aren't that many

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injuries like the ones we're talking about right now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Why is that it is rare?

Speaker 15 (01:32:09):
I think you have to hit it right, and it
takes a certain amount of you know, certain angle, certain
velocity in order to break that bone. And you know,
everybody's different. I mean, there there are people you know
where you see their brothers and you know, their entire siblings.
They come into your clinic and they say, oh, yeah, well,
you know we've been in here before with the Johnny
and you know, Larry and everybody else. And you know,

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sometimes I think certain maybe there's a certain genetic predisposition
that you know, your bones aren't maybe they're too brittle,
maybe they're too hard, they don't have as much flexibility,
or you know, maybe you're just more likely to break things.
I think from a you know, from my standpoint, from
a prevention standpoint, it's making sure and I think a
lot of these guys probably are. It's adequate nutrition, it's
adequate protein supplementation, it's vitamin D especially, you know, public

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service announcement that's getting dark out now, are really and
I think I read something recently. If you're north as
a thirty seventh latitude, you don't get enough vitamin D
from the sunlight anymore, and so you need to be
supplement in that. So for the general population, the decrease
fracture risk, vitamin D supplementation huge eat and right, But
I think some of it is just a freak nature

(01:33:18):
of these injuries.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
All right, that's that's a good answer. Let's I want
to roll through three different players right now. We'll do
this pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Start with Orlando Brown. We're all hoping he plays on
Sunday against the Steelers. He has missed the last few games,
the last one against the Chargers. Very close to kickoff,
they announced he was going to miss another game with
a knee sprain. Can you kind of take me through
the determining factors that ultimately made him a no go
right before kickoff?

Speaker 9 (01:33:45):
Right?

Speaker 15 (01:33:45):
And some of this you know not to I guess
the quote, you know, spinal tap, when they talk about
how it goes to eleven. I think that you know,
when you get there, you get on the field and
you're going full go. You know, that's probably the first
time you've tested that need at that to that level
in you know, in a number of weeks. And so

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you're rehabbing and you're recuperating, but you're not pushing it
to the point where you know you might aggravate something.
So you're kind of doing a little sub threshold training
where you know you're not significantly risking reinjury, but you're
also getting stronger. And a lot of these situations, you're
not really going full go until the second you step
onto that field because you want to maximize the amount
of time you can recover. And sometimes you get out

(01:34:28):
there and you say, eh, this still didn't work. And
I tried to go hard and I can't. And the
last thing you wanted to go out there and you know,
be a left tackle and not be able to move
and risk additional injuries.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Let me ask you about bj Hill. So he came
out of the game against the Chargers, was helped off
the field, came back. He has been dealing with injured ribs,
something that he originally was dealing with early November in
the game against the Raiders. Now, I just I think
of football, and I think of a guy who plays
the interior of the defensive line, and I don't know
how you play with injured ribs, with strained ribs. So

(01:35:03):
can you tell me what happens when ribs are strained?

Speaker 15 (01:35:08):
I would look at this as more you know of
a stretch type injury where you know it's either a
direct impact or you could strain things. You could you
could sprain, strain and you know, let's be real, a
lot of a lot of these The terminology that's used
is a little bag, so it's difficult to understand exactly
what's going on. But you know what I would.

Speaker 6 (01:35:28):
Say, if that is your ribs help.

Speaker 15 (01:35:29):
You breathe, right, So those are consistently expanding contracting, and
if you have an injury to that, you know, rarely surgical,
but if you strain or stretch some of those ligaments
some of that fashion there, it can be quite uncomfortable,
and you know, it can take a while to heal
and fully recover because you can't not use your ribs

(01:35:52):
to breathe. So it's not like you can put put
his ribs in a sling for four weeks and tell
him to relax. You know, it's kind of important. So
I think this is the type of thing that maybe
lingers a little bit, and you do some stretching, you
do some breathing exercises, and you try to work on
getting his conditioning up and hopefully getting it back in there.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
One more I want to ask you about Brandon Graham
of the Eagles, who's had a really long career, fifteen
year vet. I'm watching after the game when they played
on Sunday, and he was he played a great game,
but he was very emotional because he's apparently done for
the season with the torn triceps. What stood out to
me about this was he apparently had been dealing with
tendonitis in his triceps. And you know, each of us

(01:36:31):
at some point feels like we all deal with tendonitis,
whether it's just weekend warriors, something you do just byproduct
of maybe getting old, that sort of thing. And so
I haven't heard of tendonitis turning into a tear. Is
that your guess what happened here?

Speaker 15 (01:36:47):
I think so. I think that whenever you have tendonitis
or even tendonosis, which is more of a chronic breakdown,
a chronic what we call tendonopathy of a tendon that
can result in, you know, some weakness where the tissue
isn't as good. I mean, I've seen people before too
where you're almost the mechanism doesn't exactly make sense, where

(01:37:08):
these people aren't doing enough to warrant really tearing their
trice up, and they do. When you go in and look,
and when you go in for surgery, you're like, man,
this tissue isn't great. You know, it's it's not like
this nice, healthy tissue that you would expect. It's you know,
it's a little off, it's a little different. And I
think a lot of times that you know, if you
you have tissue that isn't as great and you're putting

(01:37:30):
a lot of force through that arm, yeah, I think
that can increase the risk of injuries. I mean that
could be you know, chronic Pteller tendonitis or tendonosis or
rotator tough tendonosis ex chronic. I do think that these
these injuries, are these chronic issues where maybe you don't
have as good a blood flow to that area, definitely
can predispose you to have an increased risk of injury

(01:37:51):
in that So I think, you know, you keep it strong,
you're do an exercise, you're doing what you can to
improve the health of those tendons, can decrease the risk
of injury in our general population.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
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you go, doctor Brandon. Chorus from Orthos sincy I say
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(01:38:46):
butt Light five o'clock Happy Hour. Rob Mowegar, this is
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station. It's Thanksgiving e tonight
should be jumping at Turfway Park Racing and Gaming. Obviously
we are closing in on the startup live racing. By
the way, We're going to be broadcasting from Turfway Park
Racing and Gaming next Wednesday, which we're excited about. Of course,
it's a loaded sports weekend. It's a long weekend for

(01:39:08):
most and so whether it's college football, the NFL loaded
college basketball slate this week, you can watch it all.
You could wager on it all. At Turfway Park Racing
and Gaming. Our guy Matcha Honey from Turfway Park Racing
and Gaming, is with us to talk about the football
weekend ahead. What's up, my friend? How are you doing well?

Speaker 7 (01:39:27):
Doing well?

Speaker 9 (01:39:27):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Mo, I appreciate you doing this. As always, we have
three games tomorrow on Thanksgiving. What stands out?

Speaker 9 (01:39:36):
I mean, just not a great play the games again
for Thursday. It seems like we've been hit or missed
all year with good Thursday football. I think Detroit is.
I'd love to take Detroit with all those points. I
think Chicago's still a met you know, not a believer
of Kayla Williams in that offense right now. Detroit's roll,

(01:39:57):
especially at home. They tend to perform pretty well on Thursday,
Thanksgiving Day. So next game with a Giant Cowboys, I mean,
just another mess of a game for us to watch.
Probably fall asleep during that one, but with the veto
probably out. I actually was a little bit more bullish
on Drew Locke. I was hoping he would have got

(01:40:18):
a shot last week, but I would probably tend more
towards that Over thirty seven With Drew Lock, I think
he'll put up some points Miami green Bay. Check the weather.
I think it's supposed to be really cold that day.
Miami tends to not play as well in that cold weather,
but they are on a roll right now. I kind
of like the points with Miami going into green Bay.

(01:40:38):
So I know a lot of public money's all over
green Bay, but I'm liking those three and a half
four points with Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Yeah, I get an offense that's cooking, and I know
weather may be a factor, but I'm with you there.
And obviously Bengals fans rooting hard for green Bay if
Cincinnati has any chance of getting back into it. First
things first, they got to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Bengals
are home favorites on Sunday. Matt should they be.

Speaker 9 (01:41:00):
Scares me to death. I'm taking Pittsburgh plus three on
the road. Tomlin's usually real tough on a bounce back
after a loss. I think round sixty seventy percent win
percentage after after a loss so I'm I'm definitely all
over Pittsburgh plus three. I'm sure not everyone's gonna like that,
but that's how I'm seeing it. That's that's what I'm
I'm rooting on on on Sunday.

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Well, I hate to say this, Usually when you've gone
against the Bengals, you've been right worth mentioning. Anything going
to stand out this weekend, not too much.

Speaker 9 (01:41:29):
There's so much going on we're getting ready for for
live racing. So a lot of my attention right now
has been on getting getting Turfway Park Racetrack up up
to par getting ready for December fourth, live racing back
at Turfway.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Yeah, week from today, it's going to be exciting.

Speaker 9 (01:41:44):
Yeah, we got a December fourteenth. We have the first
annual All Weather Synthetic Race Championships here, about a million
dollars in purses going out, so it should be a
really busy day here at the track as well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
A December fourteenth, all right, And obviously if you're looking
to get out tonight, whether it's this weekend, just watch
some games, maybe get out and just have a cold
one or two. You can't do any better than Turfway
Park Racing and gaming.

Speaker 9 (01:42:10):
Look forward to seeing everybody all right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
There you go match a hotty Turfway Park Racing and gaming.
If you're looking for a place to hang out tonight,
there's great college basketball. You can wager on the games
and enjoy yourself. On Thanksgiving Eve. For more on Turfway
Park racing and gaming and everything they have going on,
good to Turfway dot com. We are pretty much done.
Bengals game plan is coming up next tomorrow. If you

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listen to our show, you'll hear a bunch of stuff
that you may have already heard. It's the best of
the Mulleggers Show. Yes, three hours, we got three hours
worth of best of stuff. That's three to six tomorrow.
A couple of things to remind you of very quickly.
Here on Sunday, we're broadcasting from the Holy Grail starting
at nine am before Bengals Steelers, so we hope you

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join us for that. And we're gonna be at Twin
Peaks in Florence this week or this coming week for
the Tony and Mo Football Show three to six Monday afternoon,
and the premiere of Hard Knocks inside the AFC North
is going to be on Tuesday night, nine o'clock HBO
and Max. The folks at HBO are hosting a watch

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party at the Blind Pig downtown. I have been asked
to MC it and yes, they will be showing the
Bearcat game as you see takes on Villanova that night.
Speaking of the Bearcats, I am headed at fifth third.
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