11/5/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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do have a lot of ground cover. One guest this hour,
Rick Browing is going to join us as he does
every Wednesday during the college basketball season to talk XU
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outlasting Marist, NKU pummeling. U see Claremont that coming up

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at three forty five. Richard Skinner a little bit later,
Steve Candelosi from Apple TV's MLS Season Pass a little
bit later on as well, we got some red stuff
to get to. Very quietly. Nick Krawl said yesterday that
the payroll is not expected to increase for the Reds
in twenty twenty six. I've got some thoughts on that
the Bengals did not trade Trey Hendrickson, and I don't

(01:41):
think any of us are surprised to hear that. Here's
the question that I have and maybe we never get
an answer to it. So it's been reported the Bengals
asking price, it's pretty high, and you can understand why.
I like, he's a good asset, right, And so you
were hearing they were asking for a first round pick.
It has been reported in a number of different circles
that they came off of that a little bit and

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we're looking for a second round pick. I guess what
we don't know is how many teams were interested and
what was offered. I did not expect the Bengals to
give Trey Hendrickson away. I'm sure you didn't either. They
gave away Logan Wilson, right, a player who was not
playing all that well before he got benched, and then

(02:24):
he got benched. Not a part of their present, not
a part of their future. Trey Hendrickson hasn't been benched.
He's been sidelined, he hasn't been benched. When he's healthy,
they want him out there. Trey is a better player.
Trey is a much better player than Logan Wilson is.
They gave away Logan Wilson got something in return for him,
which is fine. They weren't gonna just give away Trey Hendrickson.

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They weren't gonna liquidate him. This franchise, which has steadfastly
refused to move players at the deadline for my entire life,
wasn't suddenly just gonna say, hey, everything must go go
ahead and take Trey Hendrickson at the top of the list.
We don't know is relative to what they asked for initially,

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and then relative to what they asked for when they
came off what they asked for initially? What were they
offered legitimately? What were they offered if they were willing
to listen to a team that offered a two? Did
they just say no to a three. How many offers

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did they get and was there an ability to create
a bidding war that ultimately the Bengals themselves backed out of.
That's what we don't know. I would have been more
than okay, and I think if you're a Bengals fan,
you would have been too. Training Trey Hendrickson for the
simple reason that it just it feels like they have
so much work to do. They feel so far away

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from legitimately contending for a championship that keeping Trey or
flipping him for a draft capital. As great of a
player as Trey is and as much as maybe he
could still help this other wise awful defense, it feels
like this team just needs as much draft capital as possible,
and there were only so many ways they were gonna

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get at Trey was going to be won. Now he's not.
And so, as is often the case, when Trey Hendrickson,
you instantly kind of push things to what's next. What's
next is the offseason where Trey Hendrickson is set to
be a free agent and less and less the Bengals
franchise tag him. Now, you can find a lot of

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folks close to the team who will say that doesn't
seem likely, and you could find folks who have speculated
the fact that they didn't trade him at the deadline
would suggest that they're gonna go ahead and franchise tag him.
Neither outcome for my money would be that surprising, because
often times over the last two years, when it has
felt like maybe it's the beginning of the end of

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Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati, he ends up staying here. And
even this summer, remember he was he was gonna hold out,
he was gonna dig in. That didn't last long once
he realized that he was going to get fined and
lose money if he didn't come to training camp. I
think it is fair to look at it from this perspective.

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If you don't tag Trey Hendrickson on next year's defense,
what else you got. Now I'm not telling you that
this is what I want them to do. I want
to start from scratch with the defense, which means I
want as much money freed up to be able to
go and get players on defense who can do more
than the one thing that Trey Hendrickson is good at.

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Like I assuming it's going to be Duke Tobin next year,
which is an entirely different discussion, like I want to
I want to give him every possible resource available to
go ahead and attack the weaknesses on this team. And
you have less of a chance of doing that if
you have a lot of money tied into a guy who,
by the end of next season is going to be

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thirty two years old, who, by the way, is already
dealing with physical issues this year. That said, if Trey
Hendrickson is not a Bengal in twenty twenty six, and
this is the conversation that not trading him has created.
If he's not a Bengal in twenty twenty six, where
else is the pass rush gonna come from? The obvious

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answer are supposed to be Miles Murphy. I think a
lot of us have given up on Miles Murphy. Maybe
he makes us regret that, but a lot of us
have given up on Miles Murphy. The return so far
from Shamar Stewart have not been great. The other things
they've tried to do to make the pass rush better
haven't worked. And so because they didn't trade him, and

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because he's still under contract with the Cincinnati Bengals, and
because the franchise tag as silly and as unlikely as
it might sound, is still an option. We're still wondering
the same thing we were wondering a year ago when
Trey had one year left on his DAR, which he

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essentially has now because the franchise tag, which is the
Bengals it's their option to use your defense stunk last
year and we all talked about it, right well, how
do you expect the defense to be any better if
the best player from it gets moved? A year later,
we're still wondering the same thing. You talk about, something
that is completely reflective of the failures of Duke Tobin

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and Al Golden to put this defense in a better place.
We're literally wondering the same thing right now that we
were wondering a year ago. How does a bad defense
get any better if you take away their one good player. Now,
that's not entirely fair to DJ Turner, who has had
a really good season and is a very rare bright

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spot during what has been a really dark and dismal
time for this franchise. And so yes, he looks like
a dude. He looks like a guy that moving forward
you want to be here. Is he in true number
one corner? Is he a shutdown guy. I don't know,
but he's certain he's played to a level that you're
excited about DJ Turner being here moving forward. I think

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we all are. And it's not like you've got to
reinvest in the guy anytime soon. But remove him from
the equation what ELSEHA got? And so that to me
is the big takeaway from not trading him yesterday. And
again I'm I don't know that I want a franchise
tag Trey Hendrickson. I'm as awesome of a player as
he has been. We've said it a lot, We've said

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it often here. He is the greatest free agent acquisition
in the history of the franchise. Not even sure it's
really close. His best years have probably already happened, And
I'm not that interested in investing in guys for future
years when their best years are probably already behind him.
That said, it is completely reasonable to ask the exact

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same question about Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals we were
asking a year ago. Boy, this defense is bad. Boy,
there's no pass rush. How do these things get better
if you take away the one good guy you have
at getting after the quarterback? One of the two good
defensive players to have. If you now fold DJ into
the conversation, that's all we do with Trey Hendrickson, right,

(09:12):
is just advance the conversation to the next place. Right.
They didn't give him the trade that he wanted prior
to the twenty twenty four season, so that meant that
he was gonna play out this year, probably not be happy. Okay,
we'll do that. Then he's gonna request another trade, which
he did. Then there's gonna be a holdout, which there was.
Then if the team stinks at the trade deadline, maybe
they trade him. And now do they tag him? And

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as unlikely as it might be that they do, so
you are still stuck wondering the exact same thing. This,
to me is the biggest reflection of how bad they've
been defensively that we're literally asking the same thing about
the same player one year deeper into his career. By now,

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you're supposed to either not have Trey Hendrickson on the
team because you were okay with how you've replaced him,
or at the very least willing to say goodbye to
him at the end of the season because you know
you're good. You couldn't do it last year. Not entirely
sure he could do it this year, so almost unbelievably,

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there's one of my questions. Our numbers are five win,
three seven four nine, fifteen thirty and eight sixty six
seven zero two three, seven, seven six. Trey Hendrickson wasn't traded,
which means he's under contract to the team for the
rest of the season and means the Bengals still have
his franchise tag rights. By the way, not a whole

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lot of other dudes on this team right now you're
looking to pay. I don't think I'm doing it because
I like to take that chunk of change and pay
players whose primes are in front of them instead of
behind him. But it's at least on the table this offseason.
Do you franchise tag Trey Hendrickson? By now? The answer

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is supposed to be no, because you believe in the
players you have to replace them, because you believe in
the de facto general manager and his plans to replace him.
But you can't can't have faith in any of those things.
And so yeah, man, you cannot help. But wonder as
twenty twenty five draws inches to a close, if it

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makes sense to use what you have at your disposal
to ensure that Trays a part of the team in
twenty twenty six, even if he never really has been
in their plans for twenty twenty six. It's like time
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There's also I've been doing this for eighteen years on
this radio station, this show. I think the last three
weeks are the most we've ever talked about Duke Tobin.

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I think we've talked more about Duke Tobin right now
these last three weeks than it have than we have
really since he took over in his current role. Many
myself included already for a change. I think it's just
it's not for vengeance. It's not because somebody's got to
be punished. It it's not working. We got to find
something that will work. What I think is interesting, though,

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is I'm not sure anybody is really considered what would
be next if they moved on from Duke. And so
we'll spend some time on that. When we come back,
it's seventeen after three o'clock. My name is Moeger. Glad
you're with us today. Thank you so much for listening.
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I will, I will be completely and totally transparent with you.
This would be a day. This would be a day,
or it would make sense to have. As Jim Row
might say, more of you and less of me, John,
if I can grab the correct mails, John in Boston,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty, John, good afternoon. How are you.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
I'm okay, Mo.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Just one suggestion. First of all, it sounds like you're
very congested, right, so I have.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
A little bit of a little bit of a cold.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yes, okay, this is my suggestion.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
First of all, before you fix the Bengals, find a
tie restaurant in the area, Tommyum Soup and works wonders
Tie restaurant, Tommyum Soup. You'll be feeling a lot there.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I feel great. I'm a little I'm a little stuffed up,
but I'll be okay.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
No, you're a trooper anyway, I know that. First of
All Stars, Trey Henderson. I would have moved him yesterday,
even for a third round pick. Obviously you have no
control over him at the end of season. Yes, you
can franchise tag him, but I think we gotta stop.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
With all the dramas.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
They gotta franchise tag the guy.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
He's you gonna hold out?

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Is he gonna come back? He's thirty one years old.
He's dealing with a him. He also, Okay, I'm not
trying to knock the guy. He's a sensational player, but
if you look at his numbers from the year ago,
most of his sacks came in about five or six
games against the worst teams they played, like the Raiders
or the Titans, against Baltimore, twice against Philadelphia. Against those

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types of teams, he didn't really do much when he
really needed him. So I would have moved on from him.
But I think the bigger issue, mom is the scouting staff.
So we go back to Shamar Stewart, who goes eighteenth
in the first round, and his only quarterback hit this
year and his only pressure came against his own teammates
Joe Burrow in training camp. That was the only time
he had quarterback this year, there was a player from

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Boston College. And I'm not being a home here, but
I had called you and also Boston Donovan Azaraka who
went forty four. Much better player, great character guy, and
you could see how much he's gotten better week after
week after week. But I don't think the Bengals knew
about him because I know people that cover Boston College.
Thirty one team showed up for progay at Boston College.
Guess which team didn't shill up.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, department isn't very big. I think those that relates
specifically to Shamar Stewart, I think there is I think philosophically,
they lean in on traits more than other teams do,
and they don't lean necessarily as much on the production.
They look at a physical specimen and go, Okay, we
can squeeze more out of that. And I think that

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would be the same regardless of whether or not they
had the world's biggest scouting department or one the size
that they do now. So I think there's two different issues.
There's one you should they care a little bit more
about a prospects actual production instead of you know, how
he looks on a scale or how he looks in
his underwear. What the measurables are at the combine or
a pro day? And number two, you can't turn over

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every stone, you know, not like done Ivan Asaraka was
at some no name school that nobody's ever heard of.
But it's hard to turn over every stone to find
hidden gems. If you can't send as many people to
as many places as possible, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Yeah, you can only cover so many places. And when
you kind of look at the whole idea that with
the traits type of things, I know their coaches are
involved in scouting a lot. Do you think coaches are
more named with people with traits because they figured they
can coach them up and make them into size.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Maybe yeah, maybe they're just I mean Shamar Stewart is
a classic example of leaning into the trades and not
so much the production. And it's not that he was
completely non disruptive at Texas A and M, but the
raw production wasn't there yet. You look at him and
you see a guy who has every tool you're looking for.

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And then not that you should discount that, not that
you should completely ignore that, but at the end of
the day, you turn on the tape, you want to
see a dude who's making plays, and it feels like
the Bengals are a little bit more willing than some
other teams to overlook what they see on tape, which
with Shamar Stewart was a guy who didn't make as
many plays as let's say, a guy like Donovan Azeraku.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Absolutely, I mean he kind of looks like Miles Garrett
but plays more like Miles Murphy.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I might steal that, John, Thank you. I am oh.
I have blatantly stole many times in my life. Thank you.
I will absolutely lift that. Like the Trey Hendrickson thing,
John mentioned something that I think is not insignificant, Right,
Trey is a very good player, and like, you know,
the whole thing about how he gets his sacks and bunches. Yeah,

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I say this unscientifically. My guess is you have a
lot of really good pass rushers who get their sacks
and bunches because you know, it's like a hitter is
going to get more hits against a really crappy pitcher
than a dude who's great a defensive end is going
to get more sacks against teams that aren't great, you know,
at left tackle on in Trey's case than a team

(18:42):
that's really good on the offensive liner, specifically at left tackle.
You know, he closed out the second Pittsburgh game last year,
which they absolutely had to have. He helped close out
playoff games in twenty twenty one in twenty twenty two.
Trey has been a marvelous player. But Paul Danner, junior

(19:02):
our buddy, has called it trays of our lives. For
two years now, there has been this almost unending drama
with Trey that I don't know has been a total distraction,
but certainly hasn't been helpful. And yeah, to a degree,
you're willing to put up with it because the guy's
in his prime and he's productive. He is going to

(19:23):
be thirty two years old by the end of next season.
He is already dealing with physical issues that have kept
him out of action. So there's two things there. In
Number one, his best years have probably already happened. I
don't even think there's a probably about it. His best
years were so good they're almost impossible to replicate. That
doesn't mean he can't be a helpful player once he

(19:44):
gets back on the field this year, But his best
years have happened he's going to be thirty two, and
if you franchise tag him, you're just signing up for more.
Whether it's frustration over more, frustration over not getting a
long term deal, Trey not being happy about any number
of things, like I just I don't know, man. At

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the same time, you have nobody else who can get
after the quarterback, like that's my point is this, I
don't know if I've been very clear and articulating it,
which is not new a year ago at this time,
you can make an argument that you cannot move on
from Trey Hendrickson because who else should got A year later,

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you could say the same thing. That is, maybe aside
from just the statistics that suggest this is one of
the worst two or three defenses in the history league, that,
on top of everything else, is the biggest indictment you
can make against what they've done defensively or what they
haven't done defensively, that you can make the same argument
for Trey Hendrickson that you could a year ago, Well,

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you can't move on from him. Look how empty the
cupboard's gonna be. Who else are you gonna have that
can get out of the quarterback? How did you rebuild
a bad defense if you take away the best dude
from it. Like those are all the same things we
said a year ago, We're still saying them about a
player who's a year older, about a player who's gone

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through a couple of injuries at about a player who
I don't want to say is chronically unhappy, but at
times has been not shy about expressing his displeasure. Twenty
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I think that's pretty much about it. Hockey tonight. The
Blue Jackets skates and play hockey at Calgary. Columbus off
to a seven and five start, and they've been good
on the road at four and two so far this season.
Rick Browing is going to be with us in just
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thirty of all the sports talk radio stations in Boston,
Garden Dark.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
No.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
No. I was grew up in Cincinnati, so I got
tune in whenever I can.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Nice to have you.

Speaker 8 (23:54):
Yeah, well it's a long time listener, first time caller,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
But yeah, no.

Speaker 9 (24:00):
So, I was watching the game on Sunday, and I'm
just I'm curious why we took Jamar Stewart, right, big
strong athletic.

Speaker 10 (24:11):
What I saw was a guy that looked a lot
like if I tried to.

Speaker 8 (24:15):
Play defensive ends in the NFL for a day. Like
it was, it was borderline make a wish. I saw
a guy that got pancake blocked, shoved to the ground.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Couldn't get his feet set.

Speaker 7 (24:28):
Just abhorrent, absolutely abhorrent, and I just I am so confused.
I mean, get up and at least fight somebody, do
something a sign of life.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I think that, to me is the most sobering part,
right like, relative to what we saw in training camp,
which you know, the whole Samar Stewart, you know, off
season experience was weird and gave us a lot to
talk about. But when he got on the field in
training camp practices, there was a level of nastiness. There
was an edge that I think a lot of us thought,

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at the very least he can bring that to the team. Well,
what you just described is the exact opposite, and unfortunately
what you just described is what I saw as well.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yeah, I'm also I'm uh, I'm really glad we traded
uh Dackxell for Geno Stone, you know, as far as
like position like playing.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, you know, he's he's quite a bit better.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
You know. It's just to h to quote yesterday a
comedy of errors.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Uh huh. Yeah. The Geno Stone signing is going to
go down as one of the worst. And I'll be
honest with you, I I was excited about that because
I saw a guy in Baltimore that the more they
gave him, the more he did well. We've seen none
of that. We we have seen zero of that here.
We bad angles, bad tackling, terrible in coverage and and oftentimes,

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as has been the case in two of the Lands
three games, at precisely the worst time it's it's gone
down and it makes you wonder. You know, Al Golden
has tried different options. He's bench Cam Taylor, Brent, He's
obviously shortened the leash for Logan Wilson, who's no longer here.
Geno Stone has gone unchallenged. So it comes back to

(26:18):
what we talked about this offseason. What would plan B
B if Geno Stone continues to play the way he
did last year? Well, he continues to play the way
he did last year, and yet he's got the longest
leash of all time, which doesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 8 (26:33):
Yeah, I'm I'm spacing on the uh that special teams
ace that we have we have?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Well, yeah, we have Tyson Anderson special teams ACE.

Speaker 10 (26:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (26:46):
Are his hands glued together? Can he play safety no
better than Geno Stone?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah? I mean, like that's the thing with Geno Stone.
You're just looking for the basics. Can you tackle a guy?
Can can? Can? Tyson Anderson be in a position to
tackle a guy and bring him of the ground. I
don't need Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, I understand, I might deal
with some coverage deficiencies if it. Put Tyson can he
do the basics? Geno Stone cannot do the basics, and

(27:13):
frankly right now, neither can Jordan Battle.

Speaker 11 (27:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
With that eighty five speed, he's really not running anybody
down from behind.

Speaker 12 (27:21):
No.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, White, thanks man, good to hear from you.

Speaker 8 (27:25):
You as well have a good one.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, you know, the it's a dead horse by now.
All off season long, All off season long, we kept
wondering what are they going to do with safety? Like Taran,
what would you say? From late March to the time

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we get to the draft, how many draft people we
have on? Ten? Twelve somewhere between? Yeah, about ten to twelve, right,
like we get past like the first wave of free agency.
Tarren will tell you. I tell him like, hey, man,
here are the go to draft people. Let's get them
on and sometimes like a new one w'll emerge and
you know, like there's a demand for that content, so
we try to get as many as possible. There was

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not one. There was not one that we didn't talk
to about safety day day one or two, not one
that we didn't talk to about safety. There were other
positions we like, and I didn't ask about a lot
of wide receivers because that wasn't gonna be a position
they prioritized. The reason we did that is because it

(28:32):
made sense. The Bengals need to address safety, which they
obviously didn't in the first couple of ways of free agency.
They left that position alone, and they're getting even worse
results than last year. That, to me, more than anything else,
is the most frustrating thing about the construction of the
roster and the job that Duke Tobin did with it
this offseason. More coming up in a bit. We got

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But first Rick Browing on Xavier and NKU basketball.

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(30:02):
Patino Ero where they win over Marist. On Monday. Darren
Horn's team knocked off UC Claremont in blowout fashion. The
Norse will take on Tennessee on Saturday. Meanwhile, the Musketeers
are getting set to take on Lemoyne, which is a
private Jesuit college in Syracuse, New York. Rick is with us. Now, Hi, Rick, something, Well,

(30:25):
I'm just sitting here doing a sports talk radio show.
What was the biggest positive to come out of Xavier's
went on Monday?

Speaker 10 (30:33):
Well, that they won it, right, I mean that was
very much in question. Now, they did build up a
twenty point lead early in the second half, and it
looked like they might cruise after a rocky start to
the game, but then they went in a long, extended
six plus minute drought, scored a basket that went through
another six plus minute drought on the offensive end, which

(30:55):
completely erased that twenty point lead that they had built up.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
And I think you know what you.

Speaker 10 (31:01):
Asked for the most positive part, and that was that
they found a way through all that adversity, in those
cold spells to make the necessary plays at the end
of the game, make the free throws and win it.
But I think those droughts that we saw are probably
the biggest concern and something that we're going to be
talking a lot about this year.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, I think if you went into the season thinking,
you know what, this is going to be a rough
year for the Musketeers, I'm not sure that Monday did
anything to make anybody not think that way.

Speaker 13 (31:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
I think that's fair.

Speaker 10 (31:31):
And it went about as expected based on the things
we've been talking about with this team in the preseason,
and that's they don't have a true go to leader.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
On the offensive end.

Speaker 10 (31:41):
Now, I think you saw a few guys Malik Messina Moore,
Trey Carroll, and then off the bench a couple of
guys and Alright and Yovan Malikshevich step up. But that's
also against Marist, and Maris is a pretty good defensive
unit over the last few years, so I expect that'll
continue again this season. But it's a lower level than
what you're going to face throughout your non conference schedule

(32:03):
and in the Big East play, So they're definitely going
to have to find some ways to manufacture more points
and not go through six plus minutes where they don't score.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
I felt like they got to the ram and just
couldn't finish often.

Speaker 10 (32:17):
There was a lot of that, you know, that's part
of it is guys being able to finish better, maybe
finished through physicality a little bit more. But also I
think part of it is just having guys that are
used to be in that role and being go to scores.
I think you got a lot of guys that are
maybe more of a role player, a three or four
type of option and a good Big East team and

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they're being asked to be ones or twos on this team.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Well, what can you tell me about Lemoyne.

Speaker 10 (32:45):
Well, it's a team that was the fourth worst defensive
team in the country last season. They're just in their
third year of Division One. They're still in their probationary period.
They're not eligible for the NBA Tournament. They were a
Division two school who made the jump, but they were
not very good defensively last year, so in the porld
this year, they went out and they tried to get
a little bit more athletic, and I think they did

(33:08):
that based on watching their opener a few nights ago
against a non Division one opponent. They scored a bunch
of points in that game. They won by a bunch
of points in that game. I think it's going to
be a It could be a rough start again for
Xavier as they find their footing, but it's not going
to be nearly as good of a defense as they
faced in Maris. I think they should be able to
get a little more confidence going on the offensive end.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Do you know what I can tell you about Lemoyne?

Speaker 4 (33:32):
What's that that the Dolphins?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Uh? No, I didn't know that Tom Browning pitched there
before he transferred to a Tennessee Wesleyan.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
I did not know that a big Tom Browning guy.
I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, he played college baseball Leamoyne College in Syracuse, New York.
What do we learn about NKU against UC Claremont.

Speaker 10 (33:51):
Well, it's always you take it with a grain of
salt when you're talking about a non Division one opponent,
But no, I liked what I saw from an offensive perspective.
I had been thinking throughout the pre season that this
team looks like it has a few more options that
can score than a lot of Darren Horn's teams have
had over the last few years, and that looked.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
To be the case in this game.

Speaker 10 (34:10):
They had multiple guys I think three or four starters
had multiple three pointers in this game, including cal Robinson,
who made four of them and scored twenty two points.
And I think they had six guys overall make a
three pointer. So that's the thing that would excite me
the most as an NKU fan. They tied the school
record for most points in a game, and just the
number of guys that contributed on the offensive end was impressive.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Do you think that the UC Claremont Cougers will have
a good season.

Speaker 14 (34:37):
My guess is yeah.

Speaker 10 (34:38):
They usually do pretty well in their level that they
play at. They've got a couple of shooters from what
we saw in that exhibition, but they didn't have the
level of athleticism or size match up with the Norse.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
What's going to happen when the Norse plays Tennessee?

Speaker 10 (34:55):
Good question, I mean kind of one of the exciting
things from a mid major perspective about the new era
of the sport is I think everyone's on a little
bit of unstable, rocky footing when you start the year.
They've got new teams, they've got new pieces trying to
fit in. They don't feel like a well oiled machine
if you're facing them in the second, third, or fourth game,

(35:15):
you know, like NKU is in this case.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
So hopefully you.

Speaker 10 (35:19):
Catch a team that's maybe off guard a little bit
and not quite ready, and you give yourself a really
good chance on the road to win one. But hopefully
also the Norse can keep the three point shooting going,
because that was pretty impressive on opening night. If they
can knock down some threes, you'll definitely have a better chance.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
NK you and Tennessee on Saturday at three o'clock. Rick
Brown color analysts. By the way, I did color because
Terry Nelson had a medical issue. I did color for
the UC game on Monday. Do you think that that
will at all impact your place in the area college
basketball radio analyst Power Rankings.

Speaker 10 (35:53):
Well, it won't affect my place because I'll stay last
where I've been, But I do think it might shuffle
me down a spot on me if I was like
third before, I'm probably fourth now.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
So thank you for that. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Well, I'm a little bit more concerned about Byron quite frankly,
I don't know. We'll see, We'll see how they shake
out at the end of the week. I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
I'll let Byron know you said that.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, please do that'd be great. Rick, Thank you as always,
and we'll talk next week.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
That's our guy, Rick Boring Musketeer Report dot Com in
the color analyst. He's actually a good full time color analyst,
as you could tell on NKU Radio broadcast the Norse
on the road in Knoxville against Tennessee on Saturday. Meanwhile,
Xavier getting said to host Lemoyne tomorrow night, I do
like Richard Patino on Twitter at after the game on Monday,

(36:45):
was was giving out grades. He graded the performance of
the student section and then a grade for the offense
with a small synopsis of how the Musketeers played offensively,
and then a small synopsis of how they play defensively.
I hope that that should be mandatory for all college
excuse me, all college basketball coaches. Years ago, Nebraska had
a coach by the name of Tim Miles who didn't

(37:09):
really win a lot there, but at halftime of Nebraska
games he would send a tweet. He would and might
have done it after the game, but you see played
Nebraska twice when he was a coach, and he would
send a halftime tweet. So there should be some of
that as well. There you go, Rick Boring Musketeerreport dot com.
Nick Crawl says, the payroll is basically going to be
the same. We have to get to that next. If

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(38:07):
there's no Bengals pep rally. But I will not be
here because I'm off. So you'll have Ken Brew hosting
that show on Friday afternoon. Cha yeah, you get Ken
Brew KB. When's the last time you were with Ken Brew?
It's been years, So I would get ready to get
out all the bumper music from the nineteen forties and
fifties because Ken loves that type of music. And I'm

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not sure you know what sort of guess he's going
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(38:48):
once sang back up for Red Foley. I don't know,
but that that'd be Friday's show. Or I think he's
he's got somebody who played the piano for for Vera Lynn.
That's the sort of stuff he likes to do. I'm
not in charge of what happens on this show. When
I'm not here. I can barely keep things in line
for myself. So yeah, you get Ken Brew action on

(39:09):
Friday after I think that's a short show as well,
so you and Ken Brew forer. I believe two and
a half hours on Friday, that'll be fun. I will
be listening. I will be listening on my Friday afternoon
my callin if you know what I think Ken would
like that if I called in. The last time I
called into a show I called in. Riding back from
the Bengals Colts playoff game at the end of the

(39:31):
twenty fourteen season, I called into Rocky Boyman, and I
don't think he liked it. It's the last time. I
also called the Kentucky basketball pregame show once as Maurice
from Burlington, and I told Oscar Colmes that I met
him at food Line in nineteen seventy nine. I do

(39:53):
think he found the humor in. That been a while
since I've called in. We have some Reds news.

Speaker 8 (39:59):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
The Reds, just a few moments ago announced that they
have declined the twenty twenty six club option for Scott Barlow,
they have declined the twenty twenty six mutual option for
Austin Hayes, and they have declined the twenty twenty six
club option for Brent Souter. All three of those guys
are free agents. All three of those guys had a
hand in the moderate success the Reds had last year.

(40:21):
I think all of us were okay with moving on
from all three. We will see the roster is down
to thirty two. Nick Krawl yesterday acknowledged that there's not
likely to be a major payroll bump from twenty twenty
five to twenty twenty six. I don't know that anybody
is necessarily surprised to hear that. I do think they
are going to have some money to spend, just because
there's not a ton of guaranteed cash, you know, devoted

(40:44):
to a lot of guys. But the overall message to
me was and I know that on certain sports books,
they're the favorites to get Kyle Schwarber, and I think
it's going to be interesting to see what the market
is for him. Quite frankly, I'm not sure it's going
to be necessarily what he hopes for, because I think
there's a lot of uncertainty in the sport regarding the lockout,

(41:05):
what baseball's economics might look like post twenty twenty six.
I think some will view him as a guy whose
best years are behind him. We will see. Many have said, well,
you know, hey, they can still Kyle Shwarber and keep
the payroll basically what it is, go bargain basement. I
think there's two things about this number. One, if they're

(41:27):
acquiring an impactful bat, I think it's reasonable to think
that that is going to come via a trade involving
their surplus more than it's likely to come from free agency.
That's not to say they won't sign free agents. They
signed some last year, including a guy whose name I

(41:49):
just mentioned in Austin Hayes. But it feels like there's
a strong excuse me, a strong likelihood that they will
at least shop their starting pitchers. I would not trade
Hunter Green, but I don't think he's untouchable, and I

(42:10):
certainly can imagine the Reds would be willing to talk
with teams about him, and I think they would be
willing to talk with teams about pretty much anyone of
their pictures, Abbot Louder, Lodolo Burns, any one of them.
I think that's where they're most likely to at least
try to get a bat from.

Speaker 7 (42:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I think it's fair to wonder if you want to
acquire one of those starting pitchers who are either in
or coming into their prime. You're doing that so you're
trying to win this year. If you're trying to win
this year, you're trading away an impactful bat But I
think more than anything, the success of the twenty twenty
six Reds is going to be more dependent upon dudes

(42:48):
who are on the twenty twenty five Reds. Then maybe
you would like, and maybe that I would like. I've
already read two pieces about how Matt McLain is raring
to go after a miss serable season last year, and
I hope he is. I would imagine he is, But
like Matt McClain represented one of the great failures of
the twenty twenty five season. That's nothing against Matt. Matt's

(43:10):
a guy who plays hard and you know we like
but he was written down in black magic marker to
be the team's number two hitter this season and he
was awful. Folks got mad at me for saying that
last year, but don't get mad at me. Terry frank
ConA told you how bad he was because he slid
him to the ninth spot in the batty order. Red's

(43:33):
two whole production in twenty twenty five was at one
point late in the season the worst than all of
Major League Baseball. So that has to get better, whether
it's Matt McLain serving in that role or somebody else.
And there's there's just a whole host of guys that
I you know, I'm a believer in the adage hope
is not a strategy, but I do think a big

(43:53):
part of their strategy this offseason. Like it or not,
I don't love it is going to be. We simply
are hoping for better results from some of the same guys.
They're gonna hope that Elie Delacruz figures it out. I
hope to God that we are not spending any time
next year talking about which position he should play, But
my guess is we will because you saw no major
defensive improvement. It continues to be baffling to me that

(44:16):
they let him play every single day while acknowledging that
he was dealing with a minor injury. But this team
was built around him being great, and he wasn't great,
And in the second half of the season he wasn't
even good. They got screwed by his Christian and Carnassian
strand turning into a pumpkin this year? How many more
opportunities is he gonna get?

Speaker 15 (44:36):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (44:37):
You know, Noel a Marte gonna play himself into like
a legitimate outfielder. There was a lot to like about
Noel a Marte last year, Like there's still Salve Stewart,
salth Stewart. I think we all really are really excited about.
But dudes played a month. Would imagine his role is
pretty prominent this season.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
And so.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
We can keep going and mention a lot of guys
who either didn't do as much as we would have
hoped for or didn't do anything much. Sure, many of
those guys are going anywhere. And I also think it's
completely fair to wonder if you're going to put an
offensive zero at third base, which for all of his
defensive excellence, that's what key Brian Hayes is. Okay, you

(45:22):
got to make up for the offense somewhere else Where's
it going to come from? And can it come from
the corner outfield positions With the same philosophies at those
spots the Reds employed last year, I don't think the
answer is yes. Are they really set in center field
with TJ Friedel like, there are so many damn questions,

(45:42):
so many damn questions, And I feel like, with Nick
Krawl saying what he said, the best way to read
through those lines is the answers are going to have
to come from within, either by players just simply performing better,
maybe guys coming through the system, maybe guys benefiting from
more experience. And again that's not to say they're not
going to add from outside. There's room to add from outside.

(46:05):
They added from outside last year. They won the Brady
Singer trade. Austin Hayes for a while, really really helped
Gavin Lux had his moments. Jose Travino was a good acquisition.
There's but chances are it's going to be more of
those type of players, not that they're bad, but more
of those type of players, hopefully a few more depth pieces.

(46:27):
So there's not a revolving door of dudes like Blake
Dunn and Jacob hurdabies in the fourth and fifth outfield spots,
but a whole lot of guys that they bring back
simply hoping for better results from this coming season than
they got last year. And I don't know that that
strategy is going to work. If you're trying to be
who the Milwaukee Brewers were last season division champs. And

(46:50):
I don't know that that strategy is going to excite
a lot of folks, But to me, that's how I
read that. It's if we make an impactful move, it's
going to be trading from our strength, which you know
you could compromise your starting pitching depth if you do that,
And then you know, number two, just fine answers from
within and simply hope that some players play better. We'll see,

(47:13):
we'll see. I think it's a perilous approach, but I
saw that quote yesterday and I wasn't necessarily shocked. I
wasn't necessarily angry about it. It has felt all along
like if if the Reds are going to be substantially
better in twenty twenty six, which should be the goal,

(47:35):
if they're barely sneaking into the postseason next year, then
they're going to be behind the eight ball the way
they were when they played that series against the Dodgers.
The idea should be to have games one sixty through
one sixty two not count because you are in and
ideally in as a division winner. To go from what
they were to what they want to be is going
to require a lot, but chances are if they get

(47:58):
that much better, it's gonna be because dudes who they
had last year performed better. We'll see. Maybe I'm dead
wrong about it, but as as much as you can
go to the internet and find a book that tells
you the their odds on favorites to get Kyle Schwarber again,
maybe they do. And if they do, awesome. I wonder

(48:18):
if it was Kyle Schwarber from Middletown, Pennsylvania, if he
would be if the Reds would be listed as the favorite.
That just does not seem like the most likely outcome.
And I haven't found anybody who covers the team who
has said that they're going to spend the coming weeks
engaged in Schwarber watch. We'll see, We'll see. Maybe again

(48:38):
no big market materializes form, but chances are we get
to spring training, we're gonna be sifting through a whole
lot of dudes who were a part of the team
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Speaker 7 (50:18):
Mike.

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Speaker 4 (50:20):
Mike.

Speaker 13 (50:20):
How are you?

Speaker 12 (50:23):
I don't know, how the hell are you?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
I have never been better in my life. What's going on?

Speaker 12 (50:28):
Well, it's a good for you. You're at a prime
in your life. Brother, enjoy it. Why you can?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I will thank you.

Speaker 12 (50:34):
It'll sneak, it'll sneak up on your hiki real quick.
The Reds are going to Stampath.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Huh.

Speaker 12 (50:42):
Well, nobody knows. They ain't getting Swarburg. That's other question.
And the other thing about Schwarber is everybody always thinks
that guys always want to go back to their hometown area.
That's not necessarily true.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Well I think it's true. It's true, true if the
money's right. But yeah, I think that's less of a
priority or athletes than people make it out to be.

Speaker 12 (51:02):
Well, and sometimes people the hometown doesn't necessarily have tons
of great memories for And we don't know what his
personal life is. So I've run into men all my
life that had no interest in going back to their
hometown at all. They were really happy with what they
were doing, so I wouldn't count on that.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Well, I don't think anybody's counting. I do think it
will be interesting. And again we went through this with
Pete Alonzo last year, where there wasn't as big of
a market for him. Now, you know, Kyle Schwarber is
the rating National League home run leader led the sport
and RBIs last year. It's not like he's thirty five
years old. But I could see teams looking at him
as a guy who as awesome as he has been,

(51:39):
and he has been the last four years he has
been unbelievable. I could see teams looking at him through
the lens of his best years are behind him, and
so maybe we're not gonna maybe we're not going to
offer him this sort of contract that maybe he thinks
he could get.

Speaker 12 (51:55):
Yeah, uh, do you ever listen to Patrick.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
In the morning, to Dan Patrick in the morning.

Speaker 12 (52:01):
Yes, correct, Well, he's got Kershaw on tomorrows for an interview.
But I'll tell you what, Well, he is such a
great interviewer, isn't he He can relax a guy and
just make it a conversation versus an interview and he's
very adept at it.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yes, you know, he learned those skills at the University
of dateon Mike.

Speaker 12 (52:24):
Yeah, of course. He followed by ESPN for a long
long time and his relationship with Adam Sandler, which is
quite interesting. But did you hear what he did? You
hear him today?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I did not?

Speaker 12 (52:41):
He was he did a great interview with Dave Roberts,
I mean absolutely great interview and he said, what do
you think about that play Paul has made going over
to top of TK off the wall and he said,
all I can tell you is Kek told me Paul
has said look down and said are you okay? And
he said, do you have the damn ball?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
How much Dodgers World Championship merge? Have you bought?

Speaker 12 (53:11):
Six? Seven worth?

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Really? Yeah? Wow? Now what is that cover? Two items?

Speaker 12 (53:18):
Might not be around next year?

Speaker 2 (53:20):
What does that cover? Like? Two items? No?

Speaker 12 (53:24):
It was four items?

Speaker 11 (53:26):
OK?

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Gotcha?

Speaker 12 (53:28):
Yeah, that was pretty cool. Kyk is a real trooper
when it comes to October. You know, he ain't no
Reggie Jackson, but he really does have a way of
putting it to goats and doesn't he were Yoshi Yamamoto
since you had been talking about baseball. Yoshi Yama Moto
reminds me a lot in demeanor size, Uh, attitude to

(53:52):
Pedro Martinez, very very much like Pedro Martinez.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Not a connection I had made. But I won't, I
won't throw cold water on it.

Speaker 15 (54:00):
No.

Speaker 12 (54:02):
No, I've heard that from several people, and uh, it's
got a lot of dogging. But but their stature is
virtually the same. Roberts just said Yamamoto is the smartest
picture he's ever coached. Oh, he said cerebraly. He is
just beyond it. And so we keep continuing to do
Bengal micro analysis. Isn't isn't it getting?

Speaker 15 (54:23):
I mean.

Speaker 12 (54:25):
No, I swear it's getting to the point where I
don't even know if it's worth your breath. I know
people want, I know people want to hear about it,
but I mean, my god, what I mean it's it's
not even mediocrey. It's just until big changes are made,
it's just beaten a dead, real dead animal, it seems

(54:46):
to me, which is kind of sick in a way.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Well, I'll say this. I think I think yes and no,
I think the variable that makes a different is burrow.
You know we've We've spent many, many, many many saying
a lot of the same things about the Cincinnati Bengals.
I think what makes it different now is the Burrow
variable makes it feel like they are wasting something as

(55:12):
opposed to simply not being good or being inept, and
that's frustrating. Like having a bet if Andy, you know,
Andy Dalton had his moments off is if Andy Dalton
was the quarterback of this team, or if they were
getting just a trash can quarterback play from their backup
and the defense was terrible, I don't think it would
ignite the ire that this has created. I think you're

(55:35):
also dealing with a unique set of circumstances with regards
to what they did from last year to this year.
They've had teams that weren't great, but I think often
over the last fifteen years there has been an outward
desire and effort to fix what's broken. Sometimes it hasn't worked.

(55:56):
What was frustrating about this offseason to me is what
every buddy is acknowledging now that they basically sat around
with the defense and did nothing, and then add to it,
drafted poorly again. And so yes, a lot of the
see a lot of the themes feel familiar and sound familiar, familiar,
but I think the actual sources of the frustration are

(56:18):
a little bit different this go round.

Speaker 12 (56:21):
Okay, now we're stressing that the ineptitude of the defense,
which is warranted. But you know this is why I'm wondering.
I need your opinion on this, especially in regards to
mister Flacco at forty one. The offensive line, I mean,
all I keep hearing about is Orlando Brown. They're pushing
him around. The other rookie over there ain't really setting

(56:44):
the records with PFF and the rest of them are average,
if not worse. So we're just totally still disregarding any
discussion about the is the offensive line? Isn't how Joe
Flacco doing this good other than just the raw ability
of get Jamar Chase Well.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
They're running the ball more effectively. He's been really good
at getting rid of the ball quickly. And the offensive
line I think has been okay ish while Joe Flacco
has been the quarterback. But look, you're right they if
you start to look ahead of next year, think of
everything they have to figure out. Start with work harder
or work better to better ensure that Joe Burrow plays

(57:24):
every single game. Obviously, there's no guarantee that's gonna happen.
But they put him behind an offensive line that at
the beginning of the season, again we all thought might
be the best that he has played behind, but we
certainly didn't think it was going to be good. How
does that change? How do they fix every level of
the defense? There's no nuance to this defense. It stinks

(57:44):
across the board. They're bad at stopping the run, they're
bad at getting after the passer, they're bad at tackling,
they're bad in coverage that they don't do anything well.
You have a lot of areas to fix. And again,
like you could talk about, well, that means you start
from scratch, except you've got a QB who, when he's
at his best, is legitimately considered one of the best

(58:07):
in the sport. So how over the course of the
next couple of years, during this window where you're supposed
to be competing for championships because you have the problem
solved that quarterback, can you take what they are and
turn it into what it needs to be. And to me,
that's my greatest source of frustration. You weren't gonna win
a title every year while Joe Burrow is the quarterback.

(58:29):
There were probably gonna be some years that were deeply frustrating,
But you were supposed to basically be in contention every
single year while this guy was in his prime. It
feels like they're forever away. I'm not interested in sneaking
in and being the last seed a team in the
AFC and let's see what happens. I want to be
the one seed. I want to play nothing but playoff

(58:49):
home games. I want to spend years being among the
very best in the NFL. I want to be going
every year thinking they're legitimate title contenders. I didn't feel
that way this year. I'm not going to feel that
way next year. When's the next time I will feel
that way with this guy as quarterback because he ain't
going to be here forever.

Speaker 12 (59:09):
Is this offense? I know you gotta go? Is this
offensive line better than the offensive line that was much
demanded criticized that went to the Super Bowl? Is this
line better?

Speaker 6 (59:21):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, man, Yes, yes I think so, Mike, Thanks very
much for the phone. Yes, this offensive that's not a
very high bar to clear. That offensive line they had
in the Super Bowl is probably the worst offensive line
to ever play in a Super Bowl. There were a
lot of guys in that offensive line, I think two
who never played in another NFL game. This offensive line
has got its moments. Flacco has made it look good.

(59:44):
It's been better in the run game. Flacco being under center,
I think has a lot to do with that. Sure,
Like don't don't make, don't allow all the stuff they
have to fix on defense, make you think that you
know what they're good On the offense, they're not. Again,
this offense line got Joe Burrow hurt Game two. That
is a consistent theme, hits and injuries to the quarterback

(01:00:07):
playing behind a below average offensive line. Orlando Brown's not
getting any younger. Ted Carris is not getting any younger.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Neither.

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which is the best. How's it going good?

Speaker 13 (01:01:55):
To be here.

Speaker 14 (01:01:55):
I thought we were going to talk for this entire
whatever ten minutes about the Colin Chandler dunk.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Yes, you're excited about that, and you should be excited
about that.

Speaker 14 (01:02:03):
That was fun for any UK basketball fans out there.
That's a nice fun start to the season.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
They're pretty good last night. Play Louisville next Tuesday, which
is going to be interesting because it's so early in
the calendar. But the Wildcats are going to be good
this year. So are the Cardinals. It's exciting.

Speaker 14 (01:02:20):
No one has any insight into why that game is
so particularly early. It usually happens between Christmas and New Year's.
I am a house divided. Yeah, my husband is a
Cardinals grant. I'm a Cat's fan and a grad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
So I don't understand. I don't know. I've asked every
UK or a Louisville fan. I know, Like, why are
they playing before they play the football game against each other?

Speaker 16 (01:02:40):
It's weirdly.

Speaker 14 (01:02:41):
It makes the game weirdly somewhat irrelevant, except for at
least in my house, it's very relevant.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Well, I don't want to say irrelevant, but I wish
it really early. It's too early, especially in this era
where you don't know. You know less about teams early
in the season now than you used to, and these
games are more fun when you know more about the teams.

Speaker 14 (01:03:00):
Yes, well, you know this is the annual time of
the year when as a UK fan you have to
learn all the new names of all the new players.
But I have literally been doing this since I was
in high school as a UK fan. Now, with a
transfer portal and NIL, everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Has to do well.

Speaker 14 (01:03:17):
UK basketball, Welcome to the party everyone, Like you know,
it's October, it's November. You have to learn the name
of your college basketball players because they don't stick around
for more than a hot minute.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
This is true. So a huge part of that component
is name, image and likeness. Ye, and I want to
talk about this from a high school perspective because now
in the state of Ohio, and there are many other
who many others who are doing the exact same thing,
But now in the state of Ohio, athletes are apparently
going to be able to benefit from NIL. Yeah, that's

(01:03:48):
a thing. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 14 (01:03:50):
In fact, Ohio was kind of one of the last holdouts,
one of only six states that was not well allowing
high school athletes to benefit from NIL. Actually the mom
of a seventeen year old junior standout wide receiver already
committed to Ohio state.

Speaker 16 (01:04:10):
Put a lawsuit in for.

Speaker 14 (01:04:12):
Him, and the judge then issued a temporary restraining order
against the mandate that you could not benefit in this
state of Ohio.

Speaker 16 (01:04:20):
So here's the deal.

Speaker 14 (01:04:22):
The NASH or the Ohio High School Athletic Association was
set to vote on this next May anyway, so the
writing was kind of already on the wall that this
was going to change, but this temporary restraining order then
kind of pushed that timeline up a bit. So now
they're actually voting later this month. Everyone believes that this
will actually pass. Now in twenty twenty two, when it
came before those who vote, everyone was like, no, now

(01:04:47):
I think it's like, okay, everyone's already doing.

Speaker 16 (01:04:49):
This now to varying degrees.

Speaker 14 (01:04:51):
So in this state of Texas, the way that NIL
works for high school students is you have to be
at least seventeen, you have to be at l least
a high school senior, and you cannot get any of
that money until you.

Speaker 16 (01:05:06):
Have enrolled in a college.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Okay, So each state.

Speaker 14 (01:05:09):
Is dealing with this somewhat differently, right, there's not a
national way. But one interesting thing that Ohio has done
is they are now partnering with a firm called Influential Athlete.
A lot of other states have used this, and this
is where they kind of come in. It's a firm
that comes in and kind of educates high schools, athletic directors,

(01:05:31):
coaches parents on NIL, how it works, how to use
it to your benefit, the pitfalls to look out for. So,
as someone who is a huge proponent of financial literacy,
I'm glad that we're not like dumping thousands of dollars
in high school athletes pockets and then say like, good luck,
figure this out.

Speaker 16 (01:05:50):
On your own. So I think that's a step in
the right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
So here's my question. So high school athletes can get
NIL deals, but can other could like some whre's great
a drama or in the band, or there's something else
some other activity, can they get NIL?

Speaker 16 (01:06:04):
I mean, we're not there yet. That I get that
I have seen, but I'm going to make want everybody
to get paid.

Speaker 14 (01:06:11):
I mean, I was one heck of a clarinet player
in middle school and I can't believe no one ever made.

Speaker 16 (01:06:16):
An offer to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
But yeah, uh, you know.

Speaker 14 (01:06:18):
I mean this is you know, these are the dominoes
that are starting to fall, and it's just a whole
new world, you know. I mean, it wasn't that long
ago that parents were putting Listen, we were all put
if your kid plays a sport at any kind of
somewhat competitive level, you're paying a ridiculous amount of money,
right and so for the longest time, it was like
your hope was that your kid might get some college

(01:06:39):
tuition pay for because you've more than paid for that upfront.

Speaker 16 (01:06:43):
Lessons, training, conditioning, all the things. This is a slight
twist on that.

Speaker 14 (01:06:49):
Right now, now you're student, your kid could be making
money in high school. Now listen, we're not talking major
dollar signs. I was looking today. I think of those
reporting there's a handful of kids or less that are
making over a million dollars in high school. But listen,
you know, my son is getting a new job as
a busser at Summit Hill's country club. Like, he's not

(01:07:10):
going to make that kind of money the likely these
athletes are. So you know, for parents who have standout athletes,
make sure you're having these conversations. You and I've talked
about this on the collegiate level. Like one consideration is taxes. Yes, right,
you're going to have to pay money. You're to pay
tax on this money that you're making. And another thing
and parents, this is like how I think is the

(01:07:31):
best way to look at this money. Of you have
a seventeen year old and eighteen year old, how do
you make the longest term difference in their lives? You
can actually open a roth ira. And to your point,
you can do this, you know it has doesn't have
to be with nil money. It's any earned money that
someone has. Right, So if your kid is mowing lawns

(01:07:51):
or babysitting, you can open.

Speaker 16 (01:07:52):
A custodial wroth ira for them.

Speaker 14 (01:07:55):
They can put up to seven thousand dollars a year
in it, up to the amount that they've actually made.

Speaker 16 (01:08:01):
So that's a great way.

Speaker 14 (01:08:02):
They're paying taxes on it now they're probably in a
pretty low tax bracket, right, and then that money is
invested and it can grow and talk about a difference
by the time they get to retirement.

Speaker 16 (01:08:10):
That's a great use of that money.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
See this is why I wish you know you were
in my life when I was in high school busing
tables at Beale Street Cafe, because I would get my
chil'll be retired by now, I would be Nobody was
telling me put that in a rawthire. All I would
do is give my money to someone who was over
the age of twenty one, and they weren't investing in
it for me, you know, you know what I mean? Yeah,
there was to be fair.

Speaker 14 (01:08:31):
Yes, I obviously live in a household where we talk
about these money situations quite often.

Speaker 16 (01:08:35):
It is normal dinner table conversation.

Speaker 14 (01:08:39):
We have three now four when he starts working, kids
who are making you know, salaries, who have jobs, and
so we offered, Hey, up to a certain amount, if
you put money into a roth Ira, we will match you.
Of the three children who have been working, not a
single one of them have taken us up on that offer.

Speaker 16 (01:08:57):
It's like, what kind of introducing them to the concept
of the company match?

Speaker 7 (01:09:00):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:09:01):
And I say, like, you're literally turning down free money. Well,
our kids have all turned down free money from us,
not understanding Hey, Chipotle or that new whatever probably will
not have the lasting impact of a roth Ira. So
we were even talking about it, trying to educate our
kids on it. You know, not the easiest thing for
them to understand right now.

Speaker 16 (01:09:21):
But we're working on it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
You are working on it. There's one other thing I
want to talk about. You joined me a month or
so ago, and we were talking about especially with like
football season starting streaming, and you know, it's harder and
harder to be a sports fan if you love all sports.
Because of Peacock, Netflix, Amazon Prime, ESPN plus Paramount Hulu,
I have to as a UC basketball fan, I've already

(01:09:44):
started to think about all the stuff I'm gonna have
to subscribe to. So now, in this world, a lot
of folks have YouTube TV, right, and so YouTube TV
and ESPN are in a fight with each other. Where
YouTube TV has dropped ESPN, they've dropped ABC. And so
a common friend of ours last night text me because
he wanted to watch the Kentucky game. Could I get

(01:10:06):
your ESPN log in? Like, yeah, okay, Pally, yeah captain
YouTube TV over there. Yeah that big boy now, so
I so I hooked them up. This this just this
adds to it. It's and I'm not a YouTube TV subscriber,
but it is so frustrating. This though, this phenomenon not
necessarily now well.

Speaker 16 (01:10:22):
It's insane.

Speaker 14 (01:10:23):
First of all, that to watch even just even if
you're just an NFL fan, right, we've talked about this
Thursday night package is on a different thing Amazon, Yes.
And then what you're gonna watch on the weekends. And
then oh, if you want to watch the games on Christmas.

Speaker 16 (01:10:36):
Eve or whatever, that's just Netflix.

Speaker 7 (01:10:38):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (01:10:38):
Like so it's insane the number of so you finally
feel like, okay, we've got the streaming system down right,
and then you have a breakdown between Google, Yeah, and
Walt Disney parent companies are both and now suddenly you
can't watch what you want.

Speaker 16 (01:10:52):
I've seen. Hey, it's impacting NBA games. Hey, it's impacting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
College Monday night football.

Speaker 14 (01:10:56):
You know the interesting thing is you know, okay, so
what's the workaround? Okay, Well, you can change your pay
TV provider. You could go to like a Hulu, or
you could add direct to consumer streaming account. Guess what
either of those things are going to cost you more.

Speaker 16 (01:11:10):
You would be adding more subscriptions to most of us
have already way.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Too many, too many with it.

Speaker 14 (01:11:15):
Yes, yes, and doesn't seem like there's an end in
this insight Now, as someone who has been on local
TV for a long time, I have been in many
newsrooms where there was breakdowns between whatever cable provider and
the local network and all the things, and you know,
the people wanted to watch whatever it was that they
wanted to watch, and the newsroom lines would be bringing
off to hook. This is kind of the twenty twenty

(01:11:36):
five version of that. I mean, we'll see if they
come to an agreement anytime soon, but in the meantime,
I get it. It's frustrating and costly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Extraordinarily, and the viewer always loses, right, The viewer always
losesn't so like you might say, well, then you know,
bounce to aulta fiber or Spectrum or just get the
ESPN app. It's there's no guarantee, especially if you bounce
to another provider, there's not to be some sort of
carriage dispute with them involving another network. It's just that,

(01:12:04):
to me is the one that's so frustrating, especially when
you it's these two mammoth behemens, right, Google and Disney.
There's enough money there, can't you just figure it out
so I could watch Monday night football and the Kentucky
game without having to borrow somebody's password.

Speaker 14 (01:12:19):
I'm sure you've seen that Pat McAfee's comments about like
KM and it's like he gets paid from one of like.

Speaker 16 (01:12:24):
One of these.

Speaker 14 (01:12:25):
He's the ESPN guy, right and so, and he's like, listen, everyone,
let's put down your swords. People love sports. Can we
let them watch sports? And I appreciate someone who has
that kind of a platform speaking up and saying this
is absolutely ridiculous to line the pockets of pockets that
are already overflowing.

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Appreciate that segue better to best.

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Speaker 12 (01:16:26):
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don't want to make people wait any longer because something
has compelled folks to call this sports talk radio show,
and I do not know what it is. Dave, You're
on ESPN fifteen thirty Dave, Good afternoon. How are you?

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
Hey, I'm good, Mo, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
I'm well, what's up?

Speaker 13 (01:19:40):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:19:40):
I wanted to tell you want to know why people
call a well, how can you not call after such
a compelling drinkware segment?

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
And I have a revenue idea for you. Yeah, sure,
don't just make.

Speaker 17 (01:19:55):
This a one off. This should be a regular update
and you call it at most cup checked.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
And and we're we're we're talking about drinking receptacles.

Speaker 17 (01:20:10):
Correct, Well, it is a sports show, So I don't know,
but yeah, probably yeah, but think of the sponsor opportunities
Dixie Dixie Cups, Red Solo Cups, you do a whole
hockey segment, the Stanley Cups.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
I mean, a lot of ways you can go and local, well,
thank you very much. You know, there's the Ohio Cup
that the Reds and Guardians play for. There's the Kelly Cup,
which hopefully the Cyclones win this season. I'm I'm having
fun with the fact that for a while, at various points,
and I know nobody cares, but at various points during

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our time here, if you wanted something to drink, and
in particular, if you had a guest in studio and
you wanted to offer them some to drink, you would
have to tell them like, hey, and you're weighing, can
you pick up some cups? And now are cups dash?
We are fully stocked with cups, so much so that
I have actually used two during the show today. That

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feels excessive and wasteful, but I cannot help myself. We're
o a cups.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
I know who to look to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Yeah, oh, blame me. It got to the point where
for a while, when we would get cups, like you
had to ration them. I would steal a sleeve and
put them in here and put them hide them under
the table that we work from, and not for myself either.
Just so if you had somebody in studio and you're like, hey,
you're gonna be on the air with me, might want

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to drink something. I had a cup for you, and
we have rectified that here. We now there might be
a try state cut good, try state cups shortage, which
is not easy for me to say a try state
cups shortage because we have hoarded all the cups here.
So now if you want to drink a water, if
you want a cup of coffee, we have a cup

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for you. Let's talk to somebody else now, Dave, you're
on ESPN fifteen thirty high, Dave.

Speaker 18 (01:22:16):
Heym, glad you have cups.

Speaker 17 (01:22:18):
I'm so happy for you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
You know the basics of an office. I think you
need garbage cans, you obviously need need working men's and
women's restrooms, and I think you need cups. I think
if you have those three things you can have in office.

Speaker 18 (01:22:32):
Absolutely. I agree one hundred percent. So I lived down
here in Florida, so I get all my information with
listening to you guys on iHeart, and I listened to
you know, all the podcasts and all that stuff. So, uh,
you know, all the talk's been about, you know, we
got Tobin's on the hot seat, he's got to go,
possibly his acts gotta go. And we've been talking about

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this and I've been you know, I'm fifty five. I've
been a Bangle fan my whole life. And we've been
talking about the same stuff since nineteen eighty eight, when
one particular person took over the football team.

Speaker 15 (01:23:09):
And there's a.

Speaker 18 (01:23:10):
Common thread of this thing. Every year first since nineteen
eighty eight, it's the same thing. We go through a coach,
we go through defensive coordinators, we go through offensive coordinators,
and it's the same outcome year in year out. We've
been to one Super Bowl since nineteen eighty eight. At

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what point are we going to just say, look, the
guy that owns the team is just doesn't I mean,
I honestly don't think he cares whether they you know,
they win football games, I mean they He just sits
on his hands all the time. And yes, I'll give
you that, he's paid Jamar, and he paid Joe, and

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he paid Tea and all that. But he didn't have
a choice other than to pay Jamar, because then you
wouldn't have sixty five thousand people down there watching football games.
So I mean getting rid of getting rid of Tobin,
I'm I'm I'm all on board with that. Fine, great,
getting rid of that. Okay, I'm all on board with that.

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But at some point we got to put the put
the main part of this back on ownership.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
You're you're one hundred percent right, And by the way, frankly,
I think a lot of that goes back to before, uh,
nineteen eighty eight. But but yeah, there's no getting around that.
I think for me though, you could acknowledge that. But
that's the part that's not going to change, right, That's
that's the part ownership is not going to change. Now,
they they can evolve, and they can give larger roles

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to to folks like Elizabeth Blackburn, and obviously Katie has
a huge role with this franchise. But I think the
the overall sort of philosophy that they use to run
the football team, the overarching ones are probably not going
to change all that much. And so I guess from
my perspective, it's like I could acknowledge that every single day,
and then after about the third day, it's like, all right,

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what else there are other things that can happen. There
are other things that the team can do, and so yeah,
we all acknowledge there are certain basic philosophical things that
the Bengals adhere to that probably get in the way
of this franchise having success. Once you acknowledge that, I

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think it's fair to then go, Okay, within that framework
that Bengals ownership has set, how can they do better?
And we talk about, you know, embracing analytics at analytics people,
we talk about expanding the scouting department. Okay, do that
they've done that to a degree, not nearly to the
extent that they probably should. And then is there a
better way of doing things beyond Duke Tobin being in

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charge of the roster?

Speaker 19 (01:25:51):
Well, I agree with that, But I mean the other
part of this is is, you know, we're and again
I'm not defending Duke Tobin in any way, sure, but
but you know, we said, and we hear, you.

Speaker 18 (01:26:03):
Know, well, he's in charge of building the roster and
all that kind of stuff, But ultimately, Mike Brown's pain
is writing the checks. So you know, it's like in
my business. You know, I'm a golf professional down here
in Florida. So if my owner tells me that he
wants us to bring in this particular shirt, and because

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it's cheaper, I am not going. I can't defy what
he wants because he's writing the checks. And it's the
same thing I mean. And it's the same way with
the Reds. I mean, Cassolini's writing the checks. Crawl's only
doing what he's told you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
So again, I don't know. I don't know that if
you look at this team specifically, I would be willing
to bet that Mike Brown didn't sit Duke Tobin down
and go, hey, don't touch the defense this offseason. I'm
going to guess that the directive was, we've got to
be better on defense. Do what you gotta do. Hey,

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we're going to throw money at Tea and Jamar. We're
already paying Joe and so you're not gonna be able
to write a blank check to anybody on defense. My
issue is it's the results, but it's the lack of
trying for something different in an area of the team
that was deficient last year. I don't believe for a
second that Mike Brown or Katie Blackburn or Troy Blackburner

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or anybody in the family said to him, Hey, look,
leave those safeties alone. Don't add another safety. I believe
if Duke Tobin wanted to draft a safety, he was
allowed to draft a safety. If he wanted to go
sign a safety, might not have been the best guy available.
But if he wanted to sign a safety, I cannot
imagine Mike Brown would have said, no, you're not signing
a safety. I do think there's a level of leeway
that Duke Tobin has that he should be accountable for.

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And so I look at the defense last year, nobody
was talking about Duke Tobin. It was all lou Anirumo, Right,
lou can't figure it out with these younger players. Okay,
we'll take that denominator away. Duke didn't do anything with
the roster. He added some players, nobody who's made a
major impact. He let two areas go totally unaddressed. That

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specifically is on him, and I think that's the issue
that people have. Look, Duke Tobin's had free reign to
throw money at the defense before, and when he's done it,
he's had success. We've talked about it a lot this week.
In twenty twenty one, that defense that was so instrumental
in getting them to the Super Bowl. Duke Tobin could
just spend on it because they had a quarterback under
a rookie contract. They had no other good players to pay,

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and so armed with the ability to just spend, they overpaid.
People said for DJ Reader, they overpaid. People said for
Trey Hendrickson. They gave a lot of money to Mike
Hilton and Von Bell and Judoba Woozie collectively. The way
they build the team moving forward has to change. They've
got to do it on defense, specifically using the draft,
using smart free agent signings. I believe Duke Tobin was

(01:28:48):
given free reign when it comes to all of those things,
and he has failed, and I think it's fair to
hold him accountable for that, acknowledging that if he worked
for a different franchise, maybe he would be armed with
more recent versus to do the same job.

Speaker 18 (01:29:04):
I know, I'm totally I totally am agreeing with the
way I mean, I agree with what you're saying. I
still go back to the fact that, you know, ownership
has a lot to do with the way the way
of this organization. You're in and you're out, and we're
as fans, we're constantly pulling our hair out and ready

(01:29:25):
to just jump off a bridge something. It's just it's maddening.
It's absolutely maddening.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Yes, no, there's no doubt about it, Dave, I appreciate
the phone call. Man, it is it is maddening. And look,
you certainly will not get me to look past the
role of ownership in any Bengals or Red's failure. But again,
like specifically with this team. I've hosted this show for
eighteen years now. Over the last three weeks, this is

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the most we've ever talked about Duke Tobin ever, ever, ever,
in good times and bad ever. It's because of what
he didn't do to last year's defense and how it's
torpedoed their chances this season. I do not believe for

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a second that if Duke Tobin wanted to add a
safety that Mike or Katie or Troy would have said no.
I don't believe that. I don't believe that if Duke
Tobin wanted to draft different players on defense than he did,
that Mike or Katie or Troy would have said no.

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Like he's asked to draft defensive players that you want
to sign to a second contract. He has failed miserably.
So two things can be true at the same time,
there is a there are things you there are there
are certain parameters you have to work within when you

(01:30:59):
work for the Since that he bengals, everybody acknowledges that,
but within those parameters you could still be held accountable
when you fail. When it comes to building the defense.
Duke Tobin has failed, the question becomes how many more
times do you let him fail before you go and

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find somebody else?

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enjoyed the rankings. What's going on?

Speaker 12 (01:32:27):
How's it going?

Speaker 15 (01:32:28):
Let me be the YOUMP team person to make the
joke that, yes, the Bengals are indeed four and a
half point.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Underdog to buy this week.

Speaker 12 (01:32:33):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Yeah, well done, very good. Yeah, there'll be a lot
of that on on Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure. Do
you have a major takeaway from what did and didn't
happen at the trade.

Speaker 15 (01:32:42):
Deadline they were coming about today? I mean it makes
you wonder, you know, just what are they doing? You know,
if this is their whole thing? We're not waving the
white flag on this season? Well, I mean be realistic, man,
I mean this is this team is trending far more
towards being a team with a losing record that it
is to a playoff team. And oh, by the way,
if you if you're not waving the white flag by

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not making trades, you know, trades trades out. Then wouldn't
you look to maybe get a player or two to
trade in. I mean, it's not like you don't need
safety help or defensive line help or cornerback help or
anything like that, right mm.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Hmm, yeah, No, wouldn't want to address any of those positions.

Speaker 15 (01:33:18):
I no, I, I just don't understand what you're doing here.
You know, what's the point of hanging on to Trey
Henderson if you got even if you only got a
third as an offer, and you can say, well, that's
probably what you get as a Comppic. Yeah, but you're
almost gonna have to sign so many free agents yourself
this off season that Compi's not even gonna materialize.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
So what are you doing?

Speaker 15 (01:33:37):
And listen?

Speaker 10 (01:33:38):
Who answers for this?

Speaker 15 (01:33:39):
You know we made I don't Paul talked about this yester.

Speaker 5 (01:33:41):
Now.

Speaker 15 (01:33:41):
We made a formal request to talk to Duke Tobin
this week and he was not made available. So you
know who's the answer for this? They tried the head
coach up.

Speaker 12 (01:33:49):
There to answer Forton. He can't answer these questions because
it's not his decisions to make I.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Just feel like, and I say this, if I'm Duke
Tobin as a human being, I go, my guy, Zach
is out there three times a week answering questions for
a thing that he for, things that he largely isn't
responsible for, and we're having a Chase Brown and Jamar
Chase answer questions about a defense that I built. Just
as a human being, I would go, you know, what's screwed.

(01:34:14):
It's the bye week. I'll take the heat, I'll take
the questions. I might not provide satisfactory answers like that.
To me, I would think so much more highly of
him if he said, screw it, I'm going to show
up on Wednesday during the bye ask away about this roster.
And there's none of that.

Speaker 15 (01:34:31):
No, the other part two just the simple answer of
you know, did you guys try to make some deals?
And I don't even to know specifics. If it's just hey,
we tried. We just we couldn't find any It really
worked for us. We couldn't find players. That's great. I
have no prominent but we don't even get that. So
then it comes to the point of you're a columnist,
that's your turn to take a shot. And you gave
them the fair opportunity to respond, and.

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
They chose not to.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Uh, we've heard offensive players try to be diplomatic, and
they're becoming less and less diplomatic as the.

Speaker 7 (01:35:00):
We go by.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
How close to a breaking point are we when it
comes to the locker room dynamic.

Speaker 15 (01:35:06):
Yeah, I think it was a one off with Chase Brown.
I do, And I mean I think that I know
people you know, got on Zach for saying something about
Chase Brown. I think he was right.

Speaker 12 (01:35:12):
I mean, let's not forget early.

Speaker 15 (01:35:14):
In that football game, on a crossing route Chase Brown
dropped the ball would have been a first down, might
have even been a touchdown, and instead that's four points
off the board.

Speaker 12 (01:35:22):
And so you know, listen, if.

Speaker 15 (01:35:23):
You're gonna play them on the other side of the ball,
you better dagg On will be doing your job of
the full extent.

Speaker 12 (01:35:28):
I get the frustration.

Speaker 14 (01:35:29):
I do.

Speaker 12 (01:35:30):
I honestly thought.

Speaker 15 (01:35:31):
Jamar was gonna was gonna snap about three or four
losses ago. I can try to remember what ugly loss
I was. Might be a Denver lost Monday night loss
where the Elis scored three points and he didn't, And
I thought, okay, and I'll be I'll give him credit.
He's you know, he's trying to get the answer. Now.
Hey man, I don't play defense, I play offense. Yeah,
that's a good point. And I think he's trying as
hard as he can to be a captain, to be

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a leader, you know, the guy that gets tried up
there on Wednesdays and after games, and the quarterback Joe Flack.
I don't think you'll ever hear him saying like that.
So I don't think it's there, but I can understand
if it is. I mean, you know, you score eighty
points in two games. You scored thirty eight in a
game and forty two in a game, you not only
should not lose both, you should probably not lose either.
So I get whatever popa frustration there is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
How bad are the other safeties behind Jordan Battle and
Ginostone bad?

Speaker 15 (01:36:21):
And that's the problem. They don't trust them to play
either one of those guys, PJ. Jewels or Tyson Anderson.
There's just special teams guys. They're there in case of
a break glass, in case of emergency, and you could
argue maybe emergency level now, but yes, they just don't
trust those guys at all. You know, Dejon Anthony's still
stashed on IR I believe or puff one of those lists.

(01:36:42):
They don't trust him either. So that's the part for
me is you went in and we talked about this
ad nausee, but you went into training camp knowing you
didn't really trust any of the safeties behind the two starters,
let alone be able to trust the two starters, and
you did nothing to address that, just even forget purposes,
nothing whatsoever. And you're stuck with what you got right now.

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And if you thought that it was gonna get better
just because it's a new year, well it hasn't gotten
better just because it's a new year. I don't know
if it's gotten worse, But after last year, I'm not
so sure how much worse it could have gotten that group.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
What was it like to host a daily morning show
with Bob Trumpy?

Speaker 15 (01:37:18):
It was interesting and so Tom Gamble and I did
that for about a year. Came to really like Bob Trumpet,
I really did. We had a lot of arguments on
the air. There was one instance where he wouldn't back
down from something I said. So as we went to break,
I took my head set off and I tried to
throw it at him, and it was still plugged in,
and unfortunately it ricochet and hit Tom Gamble right in

(01:37:40):
the head, so he could be frustrating. He knew, I
think he knew that. I feel bad for this, that
Tom and I were there to pretty much push him out.
And I never wanted to be that way.

Speaker 18 (01:37:51):
I really didn't.

Speaker 15 (01:37:52):
I mean, I felt so honored to host the show
with a guy I grew up, you know, listening to
literally every night of the week. And again once you know,
we moved moved in and and you know, Bob was
off the air. I saw him a few more times
after day. Couldn't have been any better man. And then
Lamp tells the story of him and his son. I
when I had hit me, hit me pretty hard on me.

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I didn't know he was ailing. To be honest with you,
I maybe you did.

Speaker 18 (01:38:16):
I shure certainly did not.

Speaker 15 (01:38:17):
So it it hit me hard, and and uh, you know,
back to your original question, it was it was certainly
an honor to do that with him. For the time
I got to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
I used to listen to that show every day and
and it always it always sounded like two kids with
their exasperated uncle. And I thought it was immensely entertaining.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
Boy boys what we wear today.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
I appreciate it. Man, thanks so much. That's our guy,
Richard Skinner from a Local twelve and Local twelve dot com.
Let's talk about Joe Flacco's shoulder and samaj p Ryan's ankle,
and Jade and Daniel's elbow. Plus we'll hear a college
football analyst. I think he's gonna say that you see
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us from Ortho Sincy. Let's begin by talking about samajp
Urin officially week to week with a high ankle sprain.
Let's begin with that, what's exactly a high ankle sprain
and how does it differ from a typical ankle sprain.

Speaker 13 (01:40:52):
Absolutely, good question. And so high ankle sprains happen above
the ankle joint. It's a little higher up on your
leg to do with the connection between your tibia and
fibula the lower leg bones, as opposed to a typical
ankle sprain, which has to do with the ligaments connecting
your leg bones to the foot bumtons, and so a
lit'll higher up.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
So something like this. There's obviously different levels and severities
of high ankle sprains. What are they?

Speaker 13 (01:41:20):
Yeah, So severity of the high ankle sprains has to
do with the degree of instability that's caused by it.
So sprains are ultimate due to ultimately due to small
tears in your ligaments, and if those tears are bigger,
they tend to be more stable and more severe usually
cause greater amount of symptoms like pain with putting weight.

Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
On your leg.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
Is it a good sign that for Samage in particular,
that he was able to walk off the field under
his own power.

Speaker 13 (01:41:48):
Yes, absolutely, I would think that if he had a
higher grade sprain that it would be difficult for him
to put weight on it, and so certainly reassuring.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Let's talk about Joe Flacco, who played on Sunday and
played extraordinarily well, and Zach Taylor after the game said, look,
this was a guy who during the week couldn't lift
his arm, couldn't raise his hand like you would in
a classroom. He's dealing with a sprained ac joint. I
just want to know this. How could you go from
not being able to raise your arm to being able

(01:42:18):
to hang forty two points on another team in an
NFL game.

Speaker 13 (01:42:22):
I mean, it's certainly impressive. Yeah, I think he had some.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
Good rehab and a milder injury.

Speaker 13 (01:42:30):
Ac joined is the connection of your clavicle or collarbone
to the scapular or your shoulder blade. When they talk
about a shoulder separation. That's the kind of injury at
my guess is says was a less severe one, so
that they've been able to kind of rehab him, pat
him up and get him feeling good enough to get
through because I mean, he had an amazing game last weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Yeah, they don't play this weekend, which I'm sure helps,
But is this the sort of thing where he's just
going to have to figure out a way to manage
the pain the rest of the season.

Speaker 13 (01:42:59):
More so, I mean, these injuries are common, so the
therapists and trainers are used to dealing with them and
getting them through the season. Usually for the lower grade
springs of the AC joint, it's about kind of getting
them through. And I mean, I think this is just
going to nag them a little bit for the next
month or two.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
All Right, Now, I want to ask about another quarterback,
Jade and Daniels of the Washington Commanders, who left a
lopsided game on Sunday night against Seattle had his arm
in a cast as he left the field. It's been
reported that he has a dislocated left elbow. It's his
non throwing arm. Dislocated elbow seems sort of self explanatory,
but take me into the particulars of the injury, of course.

Speaker 13 (01:43:38):
Yeah, I saw the video and it was a gruesome one.

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:43:42):
Essentially, is where your forearmbones connect to your humorous your
upper armbone, and when that pops out of place, it's
like a hinge joint, and so it can pop out
and cost some associate injuries like ligament tears or fractures.

Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
So that's what happened with him.

Speaker 13 (01:43:58):
Assuming you got to put back in place on the field,
and they put them in a cast, and so he's
at least working in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
What does the treatment for this sort of injury look like?

Speaker 13 (01:44:08):
It really varies on the severity. I mean, based on
what the reports we've seen thus far, it sounds like
it was simply a dislocation. I think he's lucky in
that sense. Oftentimes he's are associated with fractures or breaks
in the bone, associated with big ligament injuries that need
a surgery. And so in his case, if he didn't
have a big fracture or something that he had to repair,

(01:44:30):
then it involves putting him in a cast for a
period of time, usually a week or two, then working
on getting the elbow moving again because it tends to
stiffen up quickly, so transitioning into a brace that allows
him to bend in straight, and really rehabbing the heck
out of that elbow for the next few months.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Is it made easier due to the fact that it's
not his throwing.

Speaker 13 (01:44:50):
Arm, certainly, and so I mean, if it was this
throwing arm, I'd imagine he'd needed in tip top shape
in order to pass again, and so it'd probably be
a career end or sorry, a season ending injury for him.
Because it's his other elbow, he's not requiring as much
from it, and so I don't know. Certainly we can

(01:45:12):
speculate a little bit here, but hopefully get to get
him back a little sooner than the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Yeah, we'll see. There you go, Doctor John Fridge, Orthos Sincy.
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(01:45:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:45:53):

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Speaker 16 (01:46:30):
This report is sponsored by All Soccer Saturday Night.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
By the way, you just heard the forecast for the
next couple of days. Saturday looks pretty good. FC Cincinnati
and Columbus at six, kickoff at six, so temperature is
going to be fifty five according to our folks at
Channel nine, and no rain, So it should be a
good night, should be a great If you love soccer, man,
this weekend is awesome. You have all these deciding game
threes including obviously hell Is Reel Saturday six o'clock at

(01:46:56):
TQL Stadium, the match on MLS Season Pass on TV.
Steve Cangelosi, who has joined us many times in the past,
has the call and kind in us, kind enough to
join us this afternoon. Steve, it's going to have you.
How are you.

Speaker 18 (01:47:11):
Out there on Saturday night?

Speaker 11 (01:47:13):
And this is going to be a heck of an occasion,
I'll tell you it is all on the line, a
game of importance for so so many reasons. For FC
Cincinnati in particular, I think that it's a game they've
got to win.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Moll for a lot of reasons, and I think that
the pressure is amplified because they won game won and
looked so good in doing so.

Speaker 11 (01:47:36):
They did, and the script certainly flipped. Now in all fairness,
in game two we see a Columbus team that played
the majority of the match from the thirty eight minute
on eleven v ten. But in all fairness, the crew
got the better of it before that with I think
a very good game plan. They were a more aggressive

(01:47:56):
team and now we'll see what adjustments come here from
Paton staff for the decisive Game three. This is something
that I think is largely on the shoulders of his
best player, of Ander, and I think if you're looking
for the tactical headline of the first two games, even

(01:48:17):
in the opening win, and it carried over certainly to
the four and zhing loss, I think Columbus has done
a very good job of minimizing the impact of one
of the best players in MLS, and it's on the
blue and Orange to unleash their number one attacking talent
with the season on the line. I think that's going

(01:48:38):
to go a long way towards deciding which one of
these teams gets to a conference semi final.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Yeah, you kind of went to where I was going
to go next. I'm waiting for Evander to, for lack
of a better way of putting it, show up on Saturday. Also,
I worry about this. You mentioned all the pressure on
FC Cincinnati, all the reasons why they need to win
this game. It's been rare during Pat Noan's time Cincinnati
that I've that I've thought as team kind of came unglued,
kind of came unhinged. I thought that happened on Sunday.

(01:49:07):
I worry about giving up an early goal, and then
I know what that crowd is going to sound like.
I know what the weight of that pressure is going
to be like, and I worry about something similar on
Saturday evening.

Speaker 11 (01:49:17):
I think that the pressure comes in many ways, shapes
and forms, and you've mentioned one path that it can
certainly come if you find yourself chasing the game much
of the night before an anxious crowd. Yes, but we've
seen a pattern when these two teams meet where a
one goal lead and even.

Speaker 12 (01:49:36):
A two goal lead is not safe.

Speaker 11 (01:49:40):
And you know, discipline and you know, having that cool
as a cucumber attitude in the crunched moments of this
game will be significant. And I think which team is
ready to enact it's game plan better is the one
that will survive the night. I'm interested to see how

(01:50:03):
Pat lines up his team for this game.

Speaker 12 (01:50:07):
Look, Gid, he's a heck of a player.

Speaker 11 (01:50:09):
He's got a lot of technical ability. But if Abina
Wolbodo is able to come back, and if he's got
starters minutes in him, you know Buka side by side
with Wolbado, I think that gets well Buka into the
attack a lot more and I think that's something that's
a positive for Cincinnati. But I don't know physically where

(01:50:30):
Obita is at this point. Evander's got a lot of
this on his shoulders. As I said, the one thing
that I think he has to forget about is the
fact that he's carried two yellow cards into this game
on Saturday night, and if he gets another one, he'd
be suspended for a conference semi final. You can't think

(01:50:51):
that far ahead because a lot of this is going
to define your season. I think this is a heck
of a coaching that they have with Pat with Kenny Arena,
with Dominic Kinnear, with Chris Albright leading the technical staff.
And I was talking to people about this earlier today,

(01:51:13):
and I do think that all things considered equal, this
is coaching staff MO that should be as.

Speaker 18 (01:51:22):
Secure as any in the league.

Speaker 11 (01:51:24):
They're well respected, they did a nice job putting the
team together this year, and you'd have a hard time
doing better. The problem is, MO, not all things are
created equal on Saturday night, because think about the consequences
of a loss here. You'd be looking at a loss

(01:51:45):
an elimination game on your home ground, your season ending
on your home ground for a third straight year, not
to mention the fact that you would bow out at
the expense of your opponent for the second time in
three years. So there's a lot going on there, and
I can't speak to how ownership, you know, would deal

(01:52:07):
with that, but there's a lot that goes into winning
for losing this game, and if they do survive it, MO,
I think they're going to be really brimming with confidence
for as how long they remain in these MLS Cup playoffs,
which I think can be a very long way.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Yeah, I hope. So it's going to be tense, it's
also going to be a lot of fun. Saturday at
six o'clock, Steve have a great call. We appreciate the time, man,
thanks so much.

Speaker 18 (01:52:35):
We thank you and take care.

Speaker 12 (01:52:36):
I'll see you guys Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Most definitely Steve Canzelosi MLS Season Pass Apple TV. He
has the call for Game three on Saturday night, FC
Cincinnati and Columbus six pm. Radio coverage can be heard
on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. We have UK football. I
believe it's UK football, right. We got something on ESPN
fifteen thirty. I'm I'm almost certain that it's a conceis

(01:53:02):
now because it's gonna bother me and this is the
last show of the week and I don't want to
be wrong. I'm one million percent positive that the soccer
game is on. Yeah, Kentucky plays Florida. Yes, I was right,
UK host Florida Krogerfield.

Speaker 7 (01:53:18):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
All right, that was a great way to end the week. Tomorrow.
I'm off Chad Brendle will be here Friday with no
Bengals pep rally because of the by. See you get
ken Brew, ken Brew talking to you and uh love
ken And I'll be listening from three to five thirty
on Friday and three to six tomorrow. Hopefully you will
be too. Don't forget Tony and Mo Football show is

(01:53:41):
going to be at Twin Peaks in Westchester on Monday.
We will see it then hopefully have an awesome weekend,
have a great rest of the week. Thanks to Tarren
Bland for producing. Thanks to you for listening. This is
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