11/6/25 - The Mo Egger Show w/ Chad Brendel

Chad Brendel Talks Bengals, Reds, UC, XU nd More!

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Here we go The Moeger Show, hosted by not Moegar.
I'm back Chad Brenda in from today. Thanks to everybody
for tuning in. I thank you for choosing me. Much

(00:53):
appreciated a lot to get to today. Busy show. Busy
show here from Les three point thirty to get a
look at some of the best plays this weekend bye
week for the Bearcats and Bengals. Kegan Nickolson steps in

(01:13):
for me. I thought that was only fitting, right, Tarren, like,
I'm usually at three forty five on Thursdays. So even
though Keegan was on with Tony uh In Austin, does
Austin still work on that show at Tony Pike? Since
he three to sixty, I didn't know if Austin was
still there or not. Kegan joins us at three forty five,

(01:34):
Dan Klaskins at four forty five to get your fantasy
football fix, and then Jay Morrison at about five point
twenty to talk some Bengals got Bengals stuff to talk
about today. My question is for the Bengals, how do

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you get out of this mess? Because I think one
of my biggest problems for the Bengals is I think
they're a franchised that, for whatever reason they have, they
are enable to self scout, they don't know their own

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scouting report. And what I mean by that is sometimes
you have to sit down, look yourself in the mirror
and say, this isn't working. Whatever we're doing has not translated.
Maybe we had a good plan. I think the Bengals

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had a good plan on paper. That plan was we
know three years ago, four years ago, we know we're
going into Joe Burrow being under contract. Taren. I can
hear ESPN Radio very faintly underneath me. It's really thrown

(03:04):
me off.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
This studio does it from time to time. Okay, that
will go to I don't know why does it?

Speaker 3 (03:12):
So I have to do this whole show with like
Freddie Coleman in my ear.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
No, no, like once we break and come back, it'll
be gone.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Okay, Okay, cool has distracted me a little bit. I
think the plan was proper. You take a look at
those upcoming drafts, you say, Okay, Joe's gonna get paid,
Jamar is gonna get paid. We have to figure out

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the plan for the defense. We're gonna spend almost all
of our first, second, and third round picks, our premium
picks in the next three drafts on defense. Amarius mems
on the offensive line two years ago, but ultimately every
other pick in the first three rounds has been a defense.

(04:03):
With that in mind, that they were going to load up,
have a young, fast, aggressive defense that was going to
be in a position to support Joe Burrow in the offense. Well,
none of that is hit. Not a single pick. Yeah.

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Maybe you look and say DJ Taylor, he wasn't drafted
in the first three rounds. He was not a premium pick.
Go back and look at the draft history, Miles Murphy,
Shamar Stewart, Joseph Osai, Cam Taylor, Britt Dax Hill. The

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list goes on and on of guys that haven't worked out,
or guys that ultimately are Jags. Just a guy, not
a single Pro Bowl in that group, obviously, not a
single All Pro. And you're looking out a defense for

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the last two years that was bad and somehow this
year is worse and that is on the back of
you spending three years three drafts entirely on the defense

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for all intents and purposes, and getting nothing right. Who's
going to stand up in that room and say, no,
this ain't It didn't work. Whatever we tried, whatever our
scouting philosophy is, whatever the plan was, it didn't work,

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and we have to change because you're not going to
be able to answer this and for agency simply not.
So you're gonna have to draft your way out of it.
And if you continue being bad at drafting, you're gonna
waste the entire Joe Burrow era. So we'll discuss that.

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I also want to get to some Reds. Here's my
question on the Reds again. This goes to long term planning.
It goes to living inside a world where yes, you
have to win this year, but you're also required to

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look into the future and plan for said future. Twenty
twenty three, twenty twenty two into twenty twenty two, the
Reds have a sale, they get rid of they're major pieces.
Like I say, twenty twenty one into twenty twenty two
two they bottom out. Twenty twenty three starts anew with

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a young group that's going to be the Reds Corps
for the foreseeable future. They kept payroll low. They had
a surprising twenty twenty three at disappointing twenty twenty four,
essentially still pretty much exclusively in the bottom third to

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bottom fourth of payroll in Major League Baseball last year,
right in that one hundred and twenty million range, which
is still right there, right at the cusp of the
bottom third. Yesterday, Nick krawl As they announced three players

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they didn't pick up their option on, Barlow, Hayes and Suitor.
The three guys that we're a pretty big part of
the plan in twenty twenty five, they're not going to
be around in twenty twenty six, or at least if
they are around, it's going to be on a much

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lower number. But what happens as you get to this
point of the youth movement, arbitration starts, and that means
you've got a long list of guys that are going
to be arbitration eligible that are going to get raises.

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You've had. You know, you had the down year in
twenty twenty four, but pretty good in twenty twenty three,
pretty good in twenty twenty five. You weren't terrible in
twenty twenty four. You just didn't meet expectations. Guys are
gonna get raises, and guess what you have to give
them raises. That's how arbitration works in Major League Baseball.
If you go into arbitration, you get a raise. So

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now what you're in this window where you're trying to succeed.
You're looking at Elie de la Cruz, Hunter Green, Nick
Ladolo even though he had a very disappointing year, Matt McLean,

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Spencer's steer, Noel vi Marte. But you're not gonna change
the payroll even though and guess what, it's gonna get
worse next year when a bunch of the names I
just mentioned are going to enter into the arbitration portion

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of their career, and the Reds have made it clear
payroll's going to stay about the same. So you're gonna
have five free agents that impacted this club last year
that probably aren't going to be back, three guys that

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you didn't pick up their options. So like eight significant
contributors to the twenty six man roster are going to
be gone. That money is going to be consumed in
large part in arbitration. About forty million exits the roster,
talking about twenty to twenty five million in arbitration. So

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you're looking at around twenty million that the Reds are
going to have to spend to replace eight players. That
has been covered. Here's my question, how is this front
office not ready for this? How did they not know

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in twenty twenty three. How did they not have a
meeting sitting around the big Oak conference table and saying
to each other, by the time we get to twenty
twenty six, this payroll is gonna have to go up.

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It's gonna have to go up. That's a that's a
that's a surprise to them. They didn't think that through.
They didn't look at By the way, Reds fifth one, two, three,

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four or five fifth in Major League Baseball in attendance
growth in twenty twenty five over twenty twenty four. They
were up one hundred and forty six thousand tickets sold

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year over year. The team did their part. Team did
their part millions of dollars added in revenue. But instead
the front office is making it very clear to this

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fan base what has long been said about this front office.
The interest is not winning, The interest is not we
are going to absolutely every year, but the best team
we can possibly field out there for our fans, We're

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going to try to win championships. Instead they say things like,
well you know, where are you gonna go? But the
point being jokes aside they should have known, they had

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all the information to be fully aware that the farther
and farther they got into this group in their window.
Because if you don't know how, I'm assuming you're listening
to sports talk. I'm assuming most of you know how
this works. A team controls a player for their first

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six years in the major leagues, essentially three years those
players are on a rookie contract. Years four through six,
those players go into arbitration and teams can either sign
them to a long term deal that avoids arbitration, or
every off season they can go into arbitration, and what

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rays they get off of their previous deal is negotiated
is arbitrated, and then they reach a number or the
team says no, thank you and you non tender, and
then that player becomes a free agent. The Reds knew
this was coming. The front office knew this was coming.

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And the answer is payroll's not changing, which means if
you thought the team had holes last year. There's going
to be a lot more this year. If you thought
they were going to go get Kyle Schwarber, come on,

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come on, you know better than that. And they made
it very clear yesterday that's not happening. The Reds want
to be eighty two and eighty That's who their front
office aspires to be. And we are in the beginning
of November and they have already made that abundantly clear

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for the twenty twenty sixth season. Let's take a break.
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Speaker 2 (15:43):
Tank don't have the big we have the Big Bang.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
What a week for master P? Taren no limit dominates
versus about ten days ago, whatever that was. And then
master P. I don't think anybody really knows this, Tarren,
I don't think people know this is happening. Master P
is the head coach of the college basketball team at

(16:09):
New Orleans and they beat TCU on Monday to open
the season. Well, the president the yeah, he's running the
basketball program and they get a victory over TCU to
open the season. Amazing, who's the coach?

Speaker 7 (16:31):
Do you know.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
It can't be like Sea Murder and Sook the Shocker
in prison, right No?

Speaker 4 (16:39):
No, no, no, no, well we'll.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Still gets out, okay. S Murder still is mystical. Mescal's
in prison. Yes, oh I didn't know that. That's why
he was at the verses. That's sad, free mystical anyhow. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, okay.
I feel like we're all over the he was locked
up for. You wouldn't have said that. Okay, then no,

(17:05):
don't free mystical, keep him locked up.

Speaker 8 (17:07):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Master P gets his first win as the president of
Operations or whatever. For the University of New Orleans. Let's
go out to the funds. I had something I was
gonna say. I'll say it and get to it later.
Mark and Florence. Mark, how are we.

Speaker 8 (17:30):
Talking to Chad Brenda? Man?

Speaker 3 (17:31):
So I'm all right, good, what's up?

Speaker 7 (17:33):
Man?

Speaker 9 (17:33):
I got a question. Okay, when when Zach Tailor, you
remember that after the game gets the Jets, he made
a comment like I need the defense to make a play.
And then the next week, you know, Chase Brown made
his comment and then he you know, corrected him about
the comment.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
How do you think that sat in the locker room?

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Like, probably not great?

Speaker 9 (17:58):
The coach cantold the defense under the bus, but the player.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Can't do Probably not. I mean, I'm sure the defense
appreciated the coach having their back, but is that you know,
like those guys know they're not playing well. Yeah, you're professionals,
you're grown adults. You're not playing well. People are gonna
talk about it like that. That's the nature of this, right, Like,

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you know, I think Zach could have come out and said, look,
you know, we would like for Chase to have handled
that a little differently, but ultimately, like the defense does
need to make a play.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
Yeah, do you think the coordinator might be in over
his head?

Speaker 10 (18:42):
Because really.

Speaker 9 (18:46):
There's got to be something like Japane Pratt wanted to
be traded, Logan Wilson wanted out, all these Okay mc
killie Jackson being the panel gap, all these guys wanted out.
What what is going on in that defensive room that
the defensive.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Player is going it out? Let me ask you a question, mark.
Let's say you were at a job, right and you
were in a You're in a corporation, and your division
of that corporation is like the worst division in the
entire corporation.

Speaker 7 (19:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, And you're not on the A team, You're on
the B team of the worst division in the entire corporation.
You're probably gonna want out, aren't you. Like if they
told me to sit on the bench and watch that
slop that they call a defense, I'd be asking for
a trade too, Bro, Get me the hell out of here, just.

Speaker 9 (19:43):
Saying yeah, yeah, yeah, And y'all touched on this point earlier.
I don't think they can win a super Bowl with
Zach Taylor and his regime. I just I just.

Speaker 8 (19:56):
Don't think it can happen.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
I don't look, I don't think. Here's the ultimate conclusion
that I have to come to. Mark the players on
defense are bad. Loure Ayna Rumo is a good defensive coach,
a good NFL defensive coordinator, and they were terrible under
lou Ayna Rumo the last two years. Now you bring

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in Al Golden, Al Golden not good. So that leads
me to believe the problem is the players are bad.
That's the simple, the simple conclusion. Right, one plus one
equals two?

Speaker 8 (20:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (20:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (20:36):
Could you take any player on that defense? Could they start.

Speaker 8 (20:40):
For another team?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Probably DJ Turner, who I was wrong. DJ Turner was
the second round pick. In my brain, I was getting
him confused with DJ Ivy, who was taken in the
seventh round that year. But go back to two thousand
and twenty three, Okay, Jordan Battle, DJ Turner, Miles Murphy, McKinley, Jackson,

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Chris Jenkins, uh, Demitrius Knight, Shamar Stewart. Those are the
premium picks that they have spent on defense in the
first three rounds over the last three years. One good player,
one one the rest of them. Think, what do you think.

Speaker 9 (21:28):
The reason is that McKinley Jackson and Kane get in
the rotation of this bad defensive line going on.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I mean, the only thing that I can he's not good.
They've put him out there. He played fourteen games last year.
He's been on the field, he's gotten a chance, and
he hasn't flashed. He hasn't made plays. They're desperate for
somebody to be to go out there and make plays, desperate,

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and he hasn't been able to do it. That tells
me he's not a good player.

Speaker 9 (22:02):
Okay, Well that's all I had. I'll get off and
listen to the rest of the show and then we'll see.
We'll see how they do they when they come back
next week when they play Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
All right, appreciate the mark, thanks, Maam Saya Right. I
don't know of any reason to be positive right now
about this defense. They're tracking to be the worst defense
in the history of the NFL. They haven't even played
the good offenses on their schedule yet for the most part.
That's coming up in the back half of the schedule.

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Just take a quick break. Lee Sterling from Paramounts Points
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Speaker 3 (23:37):
We'll be back, I guess on Monday, ken Brew and tomorrow.
I will be at UC basketball tomorrow night, as the
Bearcats gets sat to take on Georgia State, first time
they played Georgia State since the tournament in since eighteen

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twenty seventeen. Let's get to it. First guest of the day,
Lee Sterling from Paramount Sports. Lee, how the heck are
you this weekend?

Speaker 7 (24:08):
I think better than you, guys, barely so.

Speaker 11 (24:12):
Now our teams down here have had a real rough
go of a Dolphins and the Canes last week losing
to SMU. We know one thing for sure, Moe will
not have a heart attack in the next forty years.
If you can withstand that game last Sunday, you're fine.
You're set to go for another forty years. So one

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of the craziest games we've ever seen.

Speaker 7 (24:34):
The ending.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Here's the crazy part. Lead Like when you talk about
like we're talking about this Bengals defense is the worst
defense in NFL history, right, you have to leap frog
like three other Bengals defenses to get there.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
Boy, it was bad and.

Speaker 11 (24:56):
Wow, then they traded away one of the better parts too,
Am I correct?

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, I mean on paper, yeah, but they had already
kind of punted on him. They had demoted him. He
wasn't really getting any snaps. So I mean, you know,
Logan Wilson was.

Speaker 11 (25:11):
A crazy you look at you look at like Pro
Football Focus. They got four of the top ten guys
in miss tackles.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, in the top two.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
Yeah. I'll never forget this.

Speaker 11 (25:23):
One time my high school coach told one of the
linebackers he was having a rough day and we're looking
to film. He goes next time just lay down.

Speaker 7 (25:33):
He got maybe a little.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Trip makhm trip over you. Uh maybe maybe maybe maybe, Yeah,
that's not a guarantee.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Let's start with College Lee Big twelve, maybe the game
of the week in college football. Texas Tech minus ten
hosting by U.

Speaker 11 (25:51):
Yeah, and and Texas Tech at home. People think they're unvincible,
pretty darn good.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
They're very good.

Speaker 7 (25:57):
And Baron Moore, Baron is good. They got they get.
On the other side, they.

Speaker 11 (26:02):
Got a bunch of guys rated really high in the
top ten at every position, especially in the front seven.

Speaker 7 (26:09):
On defense and pro football focus.

Speaker 11 (26:11):
They make plays, but BYU can play any style of game.
They're plus ten in turnover ratio, even better than Texas
Tech plus eight, giving up just nineteen points per game.
Bear Bachmeier, this kid's playing like a junior or senior
or a cagey veteran here. So one of the rules
I look at when if I'm gonna consider taking points,

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can that team play defense? And I think that BYU can.
I think this is a one score game either way.
I think Tech wins in the end twenty eight to
twenty four. But I'm gonna take the double digit points,
and this could be a way of a game on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm exactly with you on that. Lee Byu is just
they find a way to hang around. They just play
good football. They don't hurt themselves, and they make you
beat them. So even if you do beat them, I
think it's going to be close. I agree with you there,
Chargers three get laying three against the Steelers.

Speaker 11 (27:05):
And I think the Steelers, you know, every couple of weeks,
every third or fourth week, that come out and they
show out and they played well. Give them credit last week,
but are they gonna keep getting four plus turnovers in
a game.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
I don't see it.

Speaker 11 (27:17):
I think they've got a bunch of aging vets on defense.
They decide every once in a while to play. And
the Chargers made a good trade at the deadline to
get a starting piece at offensive line and to replace
Joe Alt. So I'm impressed with this Chargers team. Even
through some injuries, they're able to overcome it. And they

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have by far the better quarterback than Justin Herbert, so
better coaching staff I think too. I think Pittsburgh they're
gonna be right there. Are gonna be right at the
cut line. Whether they make the playoffs, don't make the playoffs,
but one thing is certain, they're not gonna win a
playoff game. So I like the Chargers here, more big
strike capability from the receivers Pittsburgh that have made a

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play for a receiver at the deadline. They've got a
bunch of fours, fives and sixes as their second receiver.
Chargers Superchargers here twenty seven to twenty lee.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
I don't know if you've heard this before, but Mike
Tomlins never finished below five hundred.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
Yeah, it's probably nine and eight again too.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yep, Packers talking about Jacko and Hyde. Team Packers two
and a half point favorites over the Eagles.

Speaker 11 (28:25):
And every year there's a couple teams zigzag win one week,
lose the next week. And that was green Bay last week.
For some reason, they just come out flat. Ski their
head coach, Matt Lafour. You go and look at some games.
His game plan, play calling is great, same with Jordan Love.
So they were down last week, probably will be better
this week. I think the receivers are starting to get

(28:46):
some separation. They're finally most of them healthy again. In Philadelphia,
they did get some help before the trade deadline, but
might take them a couple of weeks to get integrated.
Still don't think this defense is the same. Lost a
lot of key pieces to free agency. I think finally
Green Bay gets it done. Green Bay twenty seven to
twenty one the Eagles.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Finally Game of the week. Ravens given four against the Vikings.

Speaker 7 (29:11):
Go out.

Speaker 11 (29:12):
What a game this is. Both teams are desperate for
a win. First five callers called eight hundred, four hundred
nine to seven four to one, given the game for free,
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Speaker 3 (29:51):
Thanksfully appreciate it. Okay, see ya, and go Lee Sterling.
Let's take a break. Kegan Nicholson Bearkat Journal up next
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Speaker 3 (30:39):
This report is there we go closing out hour number one.
This is normally my segment every Thursday with Moegger, but

(31:01):
uh mos out today as you can tell. So, uh
I figured I would fill my segment with Keegan Nikoson,
who joins us now from Bearcat Journal dot Com. Keegan,
you're you're a big master P guy, right.

Speaker 12 (31:18):
H Yeah, it's huge, I think to have his album
posted in my room.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
You probably got the whole No Limit catalog, don't you.

Speaker 7 (31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (31:26):
I actually slipped through it every morning when I woke up,
just to get the day started.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Taren, what what year did No Limit kind of phase out?
Was that? Like O four three O four Were you born?
When were you born?

Speaker 8 (31:41):
Two thousand?

Speaker 3 (31:43):
So yeah, you were a toddler. I could see definitely
that your parents had like the headphones on and and
you were you were bumping and make them say, huh,
that makes sense to me. I could see it. That's
what they do with kids and ross. I'm pretty sure
game bye week for the football team. We always hear

(32:05):
bye week comes at a good time, Like everybody says that, right,
no matter when your bye week is, ah, bye week
comes at a good time. Did the bye week actually
come at a good time for this team?

Speaker 10 (32:17):
I feel like both bye weeks have come at a.

Speaker 12 (32:21):
Decent time, but not from a fan perspective, because both
bye weeks give you just two weeks of apathy basically,
because the first one comes after they beat Northwestern State,
and then that's coming off a lost in Nebraska.

Speaker 13 (32:36):
A winter for Bowling Green, so you don't really have
any positive momentum going. And then the second bye week
comes after you get shellacked in Salt Lake City, So
that positive momentum that you had after however many.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
Consecutive wins it was seven consecutive.

Speaker 13 (32:51):
Wins, that's halted, and now you just have to wait,
So I think it comes at a good time to
got some people.

Speaker 12 (32:59):
That are beating and bruised that need some recovery. But
in terms of kind of a momentum perspective, you would.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
Love to just be able to.

Speaker 13 (33:07):
Bounce back after that loss and get a big win.
But you know, I don't think they get to choose
when it happens, so you kind of get what you.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Get getting healthy. We know Evan Pryor was out. It
sounds like maybe Tywie Walker was a little banged up
in that Utah game as well, both coming in and
then at some point during the first half, which is
why we didn't see him much in the second half,
which explained a lot. Jake Goldey exited that game, You've

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dealt with Dante Corleone kind of limited snaps. From that perspective,
it does feel like a chance for Cincinnati to get
back to as close to one hundred percent for the
stretch run.

Speaker 8 (33:51):
Yeah, And I feel like this is where you need
everyone to be.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
One hundred percent because it's a.

Speaker 13 (33:56):
Three game season now, Like you're you're O and O
and you need to go three and zero because if
you lose a game, then your chances of getting into
Dallas and playing in the Big Teal Championship are greatly reduced,
especially if you're losing the BYU, So they need to.

Speaker 12 (34:13):
Be one hundred percent, especially on the defensive line. Dante
Curleone has not really had the season that a lot
of people thought he had.

Speaker 8 (34:20):
He's still take a lot of people that he could have.
He's still taking a lot of attention.

Speaker 13 (34:25):
Domaining double teams, but he's just not really he hasn't
really been that game.

Speaker 12 (34:29):
Rerecord that Cincinnati facers so used to. And then I'm
not really sure. Evan Pryor was a big reason they
lost forty five to fourteen, but he just offers a
little bit of something that.

Speaker 13 (34:43):
The other running backs behind him and Tybie Walker don't offer.
So just adding that consistent part through your offense back
would be big.

Speaker 12 (34:52):
I think he's probably out of the group that are
injured right now.

Speaker 8 (34:56):
The least likely to play against Arizona.

Speaker 12 (34:58):
There's definitely a chance.

Speaker 8 (35:00):
But you know, I'd expect Jake gold A to be back.

Speaker 12 (35:03):
I'd expect Tabby to get two hundred percent, and then
you can see if you can pull one out.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
This is coming up going to be the toughest three
game stretch of the season pretty much by far, isn't it.
I mean, when you look at the metrics, Arizona and
TCU are both right there with Cincinnati and like the
upper twenties, low thirties, depending on what you look at.
And then BYU is essentially going to be right, you know,

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there with Utah as the best team they've faced.

Speaker 12 (35:35):
Yeah, definitely, And I think.

Speaker 13 (35:38):
As easily as they can go three and oh, they
could go one and two or maybe even zero three,
just depending on what kind of football they play.

Speaker 12 (35:47):
Arizona is interesting.

Speaker 13 (35:48):
They're kind of rallying the troops a little bit, pulled
off some big wins. As a recent they just crushed Colorado,
which isn't exactly a very impressive thing, but I believe
that game was at Colorado, so going in there and
getting a big win is huge.

Speaker 8 (36:05):
And then obviously BYU is d YU.

Speaker 12 (36:07):
They're not going to wow you with tons of talent
and like show stopping players, but they're going to play
the game the right way.

Speaker 8 (36:15):
They're not going to make.

Speaker 12 (36:16):
Mental mistakes, and they're going to play the fundamentals. And
then they've got probably the best true freshman quarterback in
the country who has a really bright future. And then
you finish the TCU and Josh Kruper is like a
four thousand pard passer and Eric mccallister's second in the
Big twelve and touchdown perceptions right behind. Since Thenatie Cyrus
Allen and he's had a long, long issue of sustaining

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success with the horn Frogs.

Speaker 13 (36:39):
So it's it's gonna be tough. The thing about the
TCU game that's most interesting. I'll be monitoring what they're
doing to see, you.

Speaker 12 (36:47):
Know, is that just going to be kind of a
let's just get the season over with game at the end,
or are they actually playing for something and trying to
take some momentum because that game's going to be at home.

Speaker 13 (36:57):
But at third with thinks gaming break, maybe there's not
as many students. Maybe can pull one out in kind
of a lower tier environment in terms of attendance.

Speaker 12 (37:06):
But yeah, it's it's definitely the toughest part of the
schedule and these games can sneak up on you more
than any other kind of stretch that they've had.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Basketball real quick. Georgia State shouldn't be much of a
problem on Friday night, should they?

Speaker 13 (37:24):
No, they are outside of the top three hundred in
kim Palm and offensive and defensive efficiency after getting walloped
by Eastern Michigan and Nippsiany. So it should be an
easier game than Western Carolina in all honesty. So look
for since Eddie to be very efficient on both sides
of the ball. They should win the rebound in battle

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and you know, the turnover numbers.

Speaker 8 (37:49):
Should be down.

Speaker 13 (37:50):
I think that's the two biggest things I'm monitoring in
terms of just progress from game one is you know,
just kill them on the boards and then take care
of the ball. See how guards play, and see if
a three hundred monster can continue to kind of get
those eighteen points or however many points that all three
of them get.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
You're all in on this bear Cat big three right
with a bay of Baba Miller and Lustafa Cham Like
you're not letting this go, are you?

Speaker 12 (38:17):
I think like they're the three talented players in the team.
All three of them can impact the game in different ways.
And if you're looking from an offensive perspective, I don't know.

Speaker 13 (38:28):
Who else you can really count on to get you
those high volume numbers.

Speaker 12 (38:32):
Kerk Risa to possibly get up there.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
I don't know about Dade.

Speaker 12 (38:36):
Thomas Keishan Tillery isn't.

Speaker 8 (38:38):
Really at that spot.

Speaker 13 (38:39):
So Cincinnati's gonna be a team that's gonna score a
lot of points. I think you're gonna look at those
three to do it, whether it's Rusafa cham down low,
whether it's Boba Miller all over or Seana Bayo all over,
and then you kind of get the supplemental stuff from
guys Victory Rodriguez and Jann Celestine. But you know, griven
on conference, That's what I'm following, seeing how consistent those

(39:01):
three guys can be offensively and how much they can
provide for the Bear Cups.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Are you getting some rest today or here you're a
little under the weather.

Speaker 12 (39:09):
I have been in the basically all day. I woke
up early, got my what to watch for for the
Georgia State game out of the way, and then crawled
back in bed. So I'm trying to recover so I
can put my best foot forward for Friday night's game
at Fiftford Arena.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Austin Bass got you sick while you were out last?

Speaker 8 (39:26):
Huh?

Speaker 7 (39:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (39:30):
That or the altitude change or you know, the twelve
hour travel days.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
I'm not sure what it was just one of those.
All right, appreciate you man, have a good weekend. I'll
see you tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
Absolutely see it.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
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Dan Klaskins four forty five, giving you your fantasy football
Look this week we are phone lines are open for
the rest of this hour. We have one guest, Jay
Morrison in our number three, but we're open from the
So it's one of those days I uh want to

(41:03):
talk to the people. Haven't really had a big chance
to do that yet, So let's go out to the phones.
Talk to Mike in La Mike, how the heck are you?

Speaker 11 (41:15):
Well?

Speaker 8 (41:15):
I'm great?

Speaker 10 (41:16):
Uh, you can go ahead and congratulate the big Blue wrecking.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
Crew right now.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
What if I don't want to.

Speaker 10 (41:24):
You don't have to if you're rooting for Toronto. Sorry
about your luck.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
I wasn't really rooting for anybody. I just wanted good baseball,
and we got good baseball.

Speaker 10 (41:35):
Oh it was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
It's a great series.

Speaker 10 (41:39):
I'll tell you one thing.

Speaker 14 (41:40):
Kegan Nicholson, he.

Speaker 10 (41:41):
Ought to just get a job down there at the station.
He's been on a couple times today. This poor guy
is home in bed sick. Tony has him on, You
have him on? Hell lantill probably have him on.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I'm on with Lance tonight at seven oh five. Do
you think guy should call Lance and tell him to
just have Kegan on instead?

Speaker 10 (42:04):
Yeah, Hegan, will I tell you to stick your jub
up your butt? I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Well, you forget who who pays Kegan's bills.

Speaker 10 (42:12):
So no, he's a good guy. Teamy knows well. I
think b why he's going to beat the brakes off?
You see, I really do. That's a sound, sound, sound
football team.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Uh you see is a very sound football team too.
They just let it get away from a limit. A
couple too many mistakes against Utah. But if you look
at the game, it wasn't as bad as the final
score indicated. Cincinnati just did the one thing he can't
let Utah do, which is they get up two scores
and they will just choke you out with that run game.
I think the B YU, I think Utah is a

(42:54):
much more difficult matchup for Cincinnati, not the B Why
you won't be I think it's to be a really
good game. That's not to say, you see, he's gonna
win for sure, but I think that'll end up being
a really good game in a couple of weeks against.

Speaker 15 (43:07):
Utah because I'm taking I'm gonna take dye with that
freshman quarterback they got is no joke.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, so is Brendan Sorosby. Brendan Sosby is the number
one quarterback in the Big twelve.

Speaker 10 (43:21):
Hey, I'll tell you what that this Dan Patrick. The
more I listen to him, of course, you know we're
all watching him for years, he is really the Him
and Jim Wrong. There are the masters at doing interviews.
They turn an interview into.

Speaker 15 (43:37):
A conversation like you're sitting on the couch shooting the
bull crap. Just the apparity of how to conduct good interviews.
And he just amazes me constantly with his unique ability
to do that.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
I think it's keoy. I think the people that do
it best, Mike are the people that can prepare. But
they don't over prepare. They don't have a list of
questions like this is what I have to ask? This
is they get ready, They prepare, and then they have
a conversation and you can drive the conversation in a
lot of different ways. But I think it becomes so

(44:14):
rigid when people just like, these are the questions I
need to ask, and they forget to listen and converse
with the person that they're talking to. Those guys are
masters at it.

Speaker 10 (44:28):
Yeah, that's that. They evokes all kinds of good info
that maybe even the interviewer wasn't planning off the right.
That's what he's that's what he's.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Trying to evote, my correct Yeah, you want you want
them to feel comfortable. You want them to feel like
they're just having a conversation with you. Not that there's
a difference. Man, When you talk to athletes, they will
tell you there's a difference between being in that type
of setting or feeling like you're being interviewed. Your guard

(44:58):
is up when you're being interviewed.

Speaker 10 (45:01):
MM Hmmm.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
When you just talking, it's a lot different conversation.

Speaker 10 (45:05):
I see what you're saying, because it's more like you're
just talking to a buddy sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, You're like you're sitting at a sitting at a
bar talking to the guy.

Speaker 8 (45:11):
Next to you.

Speaker 10 (45:13):
Yeah. He interviewed Dave Roberts yesterday, of course, the manager
of the Dodgers, and it was such a good interview.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Are you a Dodgers guy, Mike, First, I've heard of it.

Speaker 10 (45:22):
It's just a little just a little bit. And I
mean I grew up in Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
I was now the Dodgers were the enemy.

Speaker 10 (45:31):
In West Yeah. Back in the seventies they were big time.
But when I moved to LA after Vietnam, Vin Sculley
single handedly turned me into a Dodger fan.

Speaker 7 (45:42):
He did it.

Speaker 10 (45:42):
It was him that did it. And I still root
for the Reds if they're not playing the Dodgers. But
he asked, uh, He asked, Dave Roberts, you know that
catch that Andy pat has made against the left field
wall wait in a semi game over the top of
t K And he said, uh, he said, he said,
how did.

Speaker 7 (46:02):
That go for you?

Speaker 9 (46:03):
To day?

Speaker 10 (46:04):
What did they say it. When they came into the bench,
Paul has caught the ball and he goes, kick, are
you okay? Goes, don't worry about that? Did you catch
the damn ball?

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Hey? Some things are more important, Mike, Some things are
more important.

Speaker 10 (46:21):
Exactly. He's trying to be his buddy, but his only
concerned face down on the turf was did you catch
the ball? I thought that was super.

Speaker 8 (46:28):
Quick, Mike.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
What's your favorite name in sports right now? Because I
might have one that's going to jump up on the
list pretty high.

Speaker 10 (46:36):
Well, historically, my favorite pop couple favorite names was swift
Watch for the Seattle SuperSonics. Okay, uh, Downtown Freddie Brown
for the Seattle SuperSonics. What are you gonna hit me with?

Speaker 8 (46:51):
So?

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Tonight Xavier plays, But that wasn't his name, that was
his nickname. That's a different conversation best nicknames. Tonight Xavier plays. Lemoyne.
Lemoyne is a Lemoyne is a smaller school up in
up near Syracuse, mh. They have a player whose name

(47:14):
is Tennessee Rainwater.

Speaker 10 (47:18):
Oh. That is excellent. That is God given name.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
That's what it's listed as. Official name is Tennessee Rainwater.
He's a six six pounds junior power forward.

Speaker 10 (47:34):
Oh that is really good, Chad, thank you. I'll be
able to use that. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
That is classic man Like there's it feels like that's
a country song, right.

Speaker 10 (47:44):
Oh, it sounds like something that you know, Garth's books.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Or somebody, Yeah, Tennessee Rainwater.

Speaker 10 (47:50):
Yeah, it sounds exactly like one of these country rock groups.
Did you Oh, she was gonna ask you, did you?

Speaker 7 (47:58):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (47:59):
If you had? Now, I know it's hard for you
to be objected that when it comes to Now I'm.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
An objective all the time. Oh, well, you see Xavier.

Speaker 10 (48:07):
Now I hate Xavier, having noted the bias, which is warranted.
I prefer you see the Zager. But I've grown to
love Xavier over the years too, just because they were
wanting more than you see for a woman. Who do
you think if you, if you weren't worried about hurting

(48:28):
somebody's feelings, do you think Rick Patino Junior is a
better coach than Wes Miller.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
I think they're probably on a similar level. I mean,
we we saw what Patina was did at Minnesota, which
was not great. It was okay. When bad, it's okay.
We saw him kind of reinvent himself at New Mexico.
I think we need to see what the next evolution
of that looks like a Xavier's.

Speaker 7 (48:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
With Wes, I think he would have been great in
the American Conference, but you make this jump to the
Big twelve, it's a lot, man. And this is not
to cover for West or whatever. They haven't gotten the
job done and they've had a chance at the end

(49:19):
of each of the last two seasons. They've had a
chance to get where they wanted to get and couldn't
get over the hump. And that's on him. But boy,
this is a This is a much different situation than
he was hired into, and I think it takes time
to adjust. It took Mick five years to adjust to
the Big East when he first got here. It can

(49:42):
be challenging.

Speaker 10 (49:44):
And Nick got handed a bag of garbage.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Correct, Yeah, so did Wes. There wasn't a lot left
after the John Brandon exit. There was not a lot left.

Speaker 10 (49:55):
And you figure Wes has got to coach against the
life and Bill self, right, and you know the other
coaches better than I do.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
But I'm Tommy Lloyd t j Otzelberger, the the that
that that Drew guy Scott Drew. He's okay, mm hmm.
It's Jerome tang like it. It's it's a it's it's
an uphill climb. I'm gonna get to a little bit
of uc stuff an hour three. But that that's that's
my starting to be my fear. When I really look

(50:24):
at this season, Mike, when Cincinnati gets into Big Twelve
play mm hmm, Houston, Texas Tech, Arizona, b y U.
There's two Iowa State and Kansas. Those are the six

(50:46):
teams that are picked to come in at the top
of the Big twelve. Do you have any idea who's
Cincinnati gonna jump in that group?

Speaker 10 (50:54):
If you had to pick right now of those six
that you just mentioned right now, if you had to pick,
thought we went to conference, would it be Kansas or
who would it be?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
No, it wouldn't be Kansas. I don't love Kansas. I
really love Darren Peterson. Kansas's guards concerned me a little
bit still. Peterson and Florie but Dona make a great
one two punch, But I worry about the rest of
it still a little bit. If I had to pick, like,
who I think really has done the best job constructing

(51:25):
a roster. It's you. It's BYU. Rob Wright. You might
not remember Rob Wright. He was the point guard for
Baylor last year. Very good.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
No, I do remember him.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Richie Saunders, who was first team All Big twelve shooter
for BYU. Kiva Kata who's one of my favorite big
men in the country. Just a relentless, dirty work, do
it all type guy. And then aj Debantsa, who's probably
the second best player in the sport this year.

Speaker 10 (51:57):
Well, I did a good job interviewing your so cold
John Mite, thanks for the time, Chad, all right to
talk to you my friend later.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Brother, have a goe real quick before the break, Let's
go to Dick and Dayton. Dick, how are you? How
are you doing, Chad? I'm doing great. Mike just interviewed me,
so uh, I'll interview you now. Pretty good.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
I'll hearing him on Lancelot. Are you sill shocked about
I've never.

Speaker 16 (52:25):
Seen anything you come back like that? And what happens
to your defense?

Speaker 9 (52:31):
I mean they come more of.

Speaker 16 (52:32):
The way Flackle brings to the steal.

Speaker 11 (52:35):
The cordinator needs to cool, he does.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
I love you. Firing Al Golden is just rearranging deck chairs.
On the Titanic Dick. Unfortunately, the players are bad. The
players are bad. They let Lou they scope scapegoated Lou
Anaumo and point the finger at him and it wasn't Lou.

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The players are bad.

Speaker 11 (53:04):
And I just wonder, you got nine games left between
you and I?

Speaker 10 (53:08):
How many you think they're going to win?

Speaker 8 (53:10):
Two in this nine game?

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Two? Three? Maybe two?

Speaker 17 (53:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (53:15):
I was saying the same thing.

Speaker 10 (53:17):
And you know, do you do you think.

Speaker 18 (53:19):
Zach Taylor's job safe because of what happened the last
couple of weeks. Is this job saved over?

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Would? I would hope not? I mean, I like Zach,
but I do too. But at some point in time,
you got to go in a different direction. Some point
in time, you got to go in a different direction
and try something else.

Speaker 10 (53:39):
I was listening to Lance last night about the players
and the Reds, you know, the money and stuff, that
we gotta get some good players this year to stay.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
They just told you that they're not going to go
out and get any good players.

Speaker 7 (53:51):
No they're not, are they? No?

Speaker 10 (53:54):
But well, listen, have a good day.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Thanks, Deck, appreciate it.

Speaker 18 (53:58):
Okay, bye bye, All right.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Let's take a break. Well, the phone lines are open.
Brian wants to talk some Bengals. We'll get to that
in just a minute, and uh plenty more. Just take
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Speaker 3 (55:12):
Shot Is there anybody on this defense that wants to
be a shot caller? The Bengals defense a baller.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
They want to be a battlest the field, in the
club and everything.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
I mean, yeah, they're not in the right city to
be in the clubs hotel attack man corn bat right,
I'm out of though. You're in the club every weekend,
in the club.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Not gonna pop out, I'm.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Kind of Actually, I'm at a point tearing like this
defense ain't gonna get better. No, I'm at a point
I want to see him become the worst defense in
NFL history.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Be better or be batter?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Interesting, right, if you're gonna do it, do it, do
it all the way, like all the way. And here's
the thing, tarn like, I don't think people have really
paid too much attention to this. They haven't really played
the good offenses yet. Like in terms of their schedule,

(56:37):
the Patriots are coming up, the Ravens are coming up,
the Bills are coming up, the Cardinals with Jakobe Brissett
are coming up. Like they've made some bad offenses look good.
What happens when they play the good ones?

Speaker 4 (56:58):
We're about to find out here and about three weeks.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
We are we are. Brian wants to talk Bengals. Brian,
what's up?

Speaker 7 (57:05):
Man? Once up?

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Chad Brindle, how's it going?

Speaker 12 (57:10):
It's going all right?

Speaker 19 (57:11):
I won't give you the the yet. Save it for
the end, Yeah, save it for the end, all right,
And so I wanted to call and talk about the Bengals.
But also I just I can't help myself. And Mike,
I love you. I hear him on every single radio station.

Speaker 8 (57:28):
He's great.

Speaker 19 (57:29):
I love his vigor for sports. That's how I want
to be when I get a little bit older. But
damn man, nobody east of the Mississippi cares about the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
But he does.

Speaker 19 (57:41):
I know, but we But he lives in LA like myself.
I also live in LA.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Where you live.

Speaker 19 (57:47):
I live probably forty minutes north of La.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Okay, Like, yeah, I was her most of each.

Speaker 19 (57:52):
Guy, Okay, Yeah, I'm in Ventura County, Okay.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Yeah, I love for most of each I miss it
every day.

Speaker 19 (57:59):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (58:00):
Yes.

Speaker 19 (58:00):
I don't listen to LA radio stations because I don't
care about the Dodgers and they show that. I listened
to Cincinnati Mike calls in and I got to hear
ten minutes about the Dodgers.

Speaker 16 (58:12):
What every show?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
You know, Yeah, it was a great world.

Speaker 8 (58:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (58:19):
I don't care about them though.

Speaker 19 (58:20):
But anyways, okay, so the Bengals, I've had a few questions.
Just then I know you'll probably know better. So you
know the play where they highlighted it. I forget who
was on the who was on the call they highlighted
it how the they had the extra linement and the
tied end to the left, and they basically sent a
letter to the Bengals and said, Hey, we're running the

(58:42):
ball to the left, and then our defensive tackles and
everybody hit the gaps to the opposite side that they
were running it. Dear for of that play.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 19 (58:55):
So so who is in charge of telling or do
the defensive lineman decide that on their own during the
play that they're gonna go the exact opposite of where
they think that they're gonna run it.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I mean, it's a communication thing for one. Generally, the
middle linebacker is the one that's in charge of the
defense for the most part. Okay, but you still have
to have and I think this is part of the problem.
When you watch this defense, it's like there's no play
recognition whatsoever. There's no you know, that's why these guys

(59:31):
watch as much film as they do. I don't think
people have an understanding of how much these guys sit
in meetings and watch every formation from the other team,
every tendency from the other team, and the good teams
retain that they see you get into a tendency and
they know, for the most part, are here's the two

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or three things that they're trying to do. I don't
see any of that from this defense. It seems like
they're like, like they get hit before every snap with
like the you know the thing in men in black
that like blanks your brain. Yeah, it's like before every
snap they hit them with the men in black thing,
and their brains are just empty, and they're just running

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around like chickens with their heads cut off. You got
all these guys that were great at the combine, they
run great forties and bench you know, all the weight,
and then you get them out on the football field
and they have no freaking clue what they're looking at,
what they're watching, what the other team is trying to
accomplish it. It's hard to watch because it just feels unstructured.

(01:00:39):
It's like backyard football.

Speaker 19 (01:00:41):
Yeah, exactly what I've seen backyard football better than the
day Bengal, But.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
You've seen backyard football on offense. Nobody in backyard football
plays good defense.

Speaker 19 (01:00:53):
I don't know back in my day, I could, I
could get some picks.

Speaker 12 (01:00:57):
Off some people, but I had you did not.

Speaker 19 (01:01:03):
Watching it. So it's just like, so now we get
rid of Logan Wilson, Well, you know what, I think
he's better than a seventh round pick, but you know
that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
But the Bengals played him into a seventh round pick.

Speaker 19 (01:01:15):
That's true and that and that's what I think the
Cowboys are banking on is that, you know, I mean,
the Cowboys defense isn't much better. But so now we
have now we we substituted Baron Carter and Demetrious Knight
into the linebacker spot, and they obviously don't know what
the hell they're doing because they can't tell which way
to go, you know, in the NFL exactly. So I

(01:01:38):
don't really understand that move besides the fact that we
get younger, and we don't even really get younger because
Demetrius Knight's already like thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Yeah, he's got a wife and four kids, like he's
been around a while.

Speaker 19 (01:01:51):
Yeah, It's just it's it's so tough. I just uh,
I actually I was calling earlier and I was on
the line, but we just had a we just had
our new baby and she's much thank you, Yeah she will.
While I was waiting on the line, she ended up
spitting up and pooping her pants like the Bengals did.
I had to take care of that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
You know, you know what she did to you?

Speaker 10 (01:02:13):
What I knew that. I also sorry, that was good.

Speaker 16 (01:02:20):
I give you that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Okay.

Speaker 19 (01:02:23):
So with the draft and everything, right, yeah, and everyone
has already said this is like we draft projects.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
We don't draft the drafts. They don't draft football.

Speaker 19 (01:02:32):
Players exactly, and it's very annoying. So what is Duke
Tobin to this organization? Because I've heard he's not a
general manager?

Speaker 8 (01:02:40):
What is he?

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
He's just operations or player personnel, player device. I mean,
he's the general manager, like essentially, they just don't want
to give anybody that title because I honestly believe that,
like at some point in time, Duke's not going to
be here anymore and they don't want to have to
make somebody else the general manager eventually, right, Like Duke

(01:03:05):
is okay with where, you know whatever, he's essentially from
everything I've heard, Mike Brown was best friends with his dad.
Duke is considered like he considers Duke's son. He's part
of the family. He's not going anywhere, so he's okay
with not having that label. But for all intents and purposes,
Duke is the general manager. Right, he's bad at it?

Speaker 7 (01:03:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:03:29):
Absolutely, Yeah. So when they when they draft, so they
I've heard everybody say that they don't put a lot
of blame on on on Zach Taylor because he he
doesn't have total control of who they draft. Why wouldn't
our head coach have more control over who we draft
than Zach ra mean, than Duke Tobin, who I don't

(01:03:52):
even know what his background is or anything like that. Like,
why are we letting Duke Cobin just screw up year
after year?

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I mean, it's a great question considering we hear all
the time, Well, they don't have a big scouting department
because they rely on their coaching staff to do a
lot of that work. Well, then Zach's the guy in
charge of the coaching staff, So then Zach should have
a bigger say in the draft room. It's it's ignorant
that in this day and age there's not a twelve

(01:04:25):
person ten to twelve person scouting department. I am at
UC practice all the time, right, all the time. Yeah,
I see scouts come in and out of UC football practices,
especially a year like this year where they've got four
guys that are like top one hundred level guys. I
see the Bengals once a year. Once a year. They

(01:04:47):
don't come to Camphire Ground. Everybody sends guys scouts to
Camphire Ground. The Bengals show up once a year leading
up to the season at Nippert Stadium. That's it. That's it.

Speaker 19 (01:05:02):
Yeah, coaching recruiters and and and scouts.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Here's the thing. Back in the day, coaches were the
scouts right like that. But now things have become so detailed,
so specific, so you know, results oriented that there are.
There's an entire industry of people that are great scouts

(01:05:26):
that watch tape, that know what you're what you're trying
to accomplish as an organization, what you want, what you're
looking for, and they can go out and say, all right,
here's the list of guys that fit that. Coaches don't
have the time to do that during the season. They're
getting ready for a game.

Speaker 19 (01:05:42):
Right, So does that fall on the Brown Daughters? Yes,
you know, yeah, start you know looking at that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
The UC scouting Department is bigger than the Bengals scouting department.

Speaker 19 (01:05:53):
I don't doubt that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
No, there's nothing that It's absolutely true.

Speaker 19 (01:05:58):
That's it's honestly sticking it makes it. It's it's so hard,
you know. I when I called about when my daughter
was born, you know, she already has more Bengals jerseys
than I do. And he often had said, don't do
that to her. And you know what, I was like,
what do you mean? Like I have to make her
a Bengals fan. You don't happens. I'm just like, oh,

(01:06:20):
you know, maybe I shouldn't put her to that misery.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
You don't have to. You don't have to. Yeah, we
our parents all did it to us. You don't have to.

Speaker 19 (01:06:32):
Well, back when I was born, we had just went
to two Super Bowls and lost both of them.

Speaker 8 (01:06:36):
So I assumed that.

Speaker 19 (01:06:37):
They thought that we had brighter days ahead of us.
Wasn't going to be a year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
They were wrong. Yeah, all right, thanks, Brian, go ahead,
do it, take care. There you go. One more Brian,
Another Brian. This Brian from the West Side. What's up, man, Brian?
Is that the same Brian on two different lines?

Speaker 10 (01:07:01):
Here?

Speaker 7 (01:07:02):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
No, shouldn't be Brian. Yeah, we'll put him back on hold.
We'll take a break, We'll come back more after this.
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Are you gonna raise your kids to be fans of
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Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
No, no, no, I'm not gonna push my misery on them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Yeah, Like I just I let Kelsey pick. She gets
to choose what she chooses. Really the only thing of
mine that she has developed as you see basketball, and
that's far more so because she's gotten to know the
staff and gotten really close to everybody around the program
from when Kelly passed and they kind of embraced her

(01:09:58):
and took her in, and you know, we're there for her.
So she's a big UC basketball fan, but she could
not give two craps about the Bengals, the Reds, pretty
much anything else. Cincinnati, don't do that to your kids.
Let them pick if they want to be miserable. If
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(01:10:23):
on them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
They kind of adopted wherever Travis Kelsey goes, although he's
about to retire.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yeah, I mean, she was a she she's been a
cheese fan, you know, most of her life because she's
she's been a big fan of Travis. But I mean
other than that, like she she's got her own rooting interests.
She don't need me. She can figure that stuff out herself.
I just introduced her to sports and let them decide that.
Let it be their own evil, Taren, don't put that

(01:10:50):
evil on yourself. I don't want that guilt of She's
thirty years old and still hasn't seen the Bengals win
a Super Bowl. I don't want that. Let's take a break.
Dan Klaskins Fantasy Football coming up next, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen.

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One time di right closing out hour number two. Let's
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Speaker 7 (01:12:14):
Let's up?

Speaker 16 (01:12:15):
My brother always good to talk to you, and definitely
all we could.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
Talk some fantasy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
I'm supposed to not say Get Sports Info anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:12:23):
Am I?

Speaker 16 (01:12:24):
It's all right, man, Yan takes an old dog dude trick.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I mean Dan, We've been working together for like a
quarter of a century.

Speaker 16 (01:12:32):
Like it's hard, kid, I mean, that's not possible.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
We're not that old.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Okay, you're right, you're right, you're right. We've got some
we're hitting week ten. It's time to start looking at
the end of your regular season into the playoffs. Let's
take a look at the most favorable fantasy schedules down
the stretch.

Speaker 7 (01:12:50):
Run.

Speaker 16 (01:12:51):
Yes, yes, it's definitely at nice sample size so we
can start looking ahead. And when you talk about favorable finishes, man,
I don't like anybody I think more than Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 8 (01:13:03):
He's already through.

Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
His by week.

Speaker 16 (01:13:04):
He has no negative matchups left. He gets the Steelers
sandwiched in between two games with the Bengals in weeks
thirteen through fifteen. I think he's poisoned to b QB
won the rest of the way in Fantasy and in
terms of running back that could be Devon a Chan.

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
I love him.

Speaker 16 (01:13:17):
He's also got these back to back matchups with Pittsburgh
and Cincinnati the first two weeks of the Fantasy playoffs,
then a shootout for Stampa Bay in week seventeen's title
game week, so his production can and will come also
regardless of game flow. Playing MC company at receiver I'm
targeting down the stretch. A slow start for the second
year whiteout Jed. He definitely's been eating up though. And

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you look at the slates ahead, and few teams have
better ones for whiteouts, and the Chargers they face the Steelers,
the Jakes the.

Speaker 8 (01:13:44):
Next two weeks.

Speaker 16 (01:13:45):
Do you have a buy in there? But then you
get Vegas, Philly, k C. Dallas does end a little
brewly there with ucond in Denver, but does not till
week seventeen. And then finally Sam Laporta really liking him
of Lady exploded a little bit last week. I think
the best is yet to come. No buys here either,
four plus matchups Washington, Dallas, Pittsburgh, and Chicago and not

(01:14:06):
a single negative matchup remaining on the slate, so he
could be a top three tight end the rest.

Speaker 8 (01:14:10):
Of the way.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Got a lot of buys this week, four buys and
a lot of injuries. You have to be on your
p's and q's in week ten, then yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:14:19):
Same at time.

Speaker 16 (01:14:20):
Forget about all these dudes that we're trading the new teams.
We got to switch injuries. The injuries of what we
want to talk about right here. We do have some
updates now that we're through that second big day of practice,
and I mean the most gruesome injury of last week
was the one we all watched. Jaydon Daniels sustained that
non throwing arm dislocated elbow.

Speaker 8 (01:14:38):
It's going to be.

Speaker 16 (01:14:38):
Marcus Mariota until further notice. There in Washington. The whole
team's riddled by injuries. It's been a lost season two
injury for White Out Terry McLaurin, and I expect him
to sit again this week with the quad cooking a
couper watching him with the ribs issue. Not as concerned
about that one as yet. Brian Thomas Junior for the Jags,
he didn't practice for the second straight day. He's training
towards being out here with that ankle injury. AJ Brown

(01:15:00):
he's got a hamstring issue. He's trying to get through.
The Eagles digets. Tae Kwon Barkley back coming out of
that buy off the groin injury. So I'm feeling good
about him. You should be feeling good about Brown's rookie
Quinn Shawn Jenkins. He's also practicing playing through that shoulder
ac joint. Bucky Irvin coming out of the by the
week though still not practicing again today, He's probably not
going to play. Rashad whites day the back end RB

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two there for the Tampa Bay Bucks. It's Aaron Jones
to be a situation to watch on Friday the Limited
Today he's got a shoulder and a tow issue. Ramondre
Stevenson didn't practice today, so another week he could be out.
Trevon Henderson really didn't deliver all we were hoping for,
whichhaed you know the local star there last week, and
I know fantasy managers are itching for the Wintonwoods grad

(01:15:44):
to get firing up. Maybe it happens this week. Tucker
Craft acl one of my most costly injuries in my
fantasy portfolio last week, watching one of my favorite sleeper
tight ends get carted off the field.

Speaker 9 (01:15:56):
So I'm not.

Speaker 16 (01:15:57):
Buying into Luke Musgrave be in this hot waiver wire.

Speaker 8 (01:16:00):
People are, But.

Speaker 16 (01:16:01):
That's a ding for the Packers passing attack CJ trail.
He's already been rolled out with him cushion. So Davis
Mills for the Texans this week, understand.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Josh Wiley activated for the Packers. Keep it eye. Oh
come on, man, We'll.

Speaker 8 (01:16:18):
Stick to Michael.

Speaker 16 (01:16:19):
We'll stick to Michael Mayer's right tight end.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Talking Week ten lineup, studs, duds, and sleepers. Let's start
with the studs.

Speaker 16 (01:16:27):
Yeah, one of my favorite players of the season, man
Jackson Dart. Love him this week at Chicago six qbs
to throwing multiple tds versus the Bears. Dart has accounted
for multiple scores in all six of his starts he's
made during his breakout rookie season. He's one of my
favorite plays this week at running back. That's Rico. Dabble
didn't really mention him and the injury report. He didn't

(01:16:47):
practice acually limited, but I expect you to play. He
just getting them rasked after that monster performance he had
and the Panthers upset. He's a top five running back
this week versus Saints, and a top ten running back
the rest of the way. On the dud side, j
corysky Merrit Bill, I don't care what you call him.
He's been a fantasy bust. He cannot be trusted even
as a flex player. On the dicey times, I'm sitting him,

(01:17:08):
and as I already mentioned, injury depleted Commander's offensive tough
match up here with Detroit Mark Andrews. He got two
touchdowns last week in Minnesota, but I'm not going or
excuse me for the Ravens. I'm not convinced they'll be
able to do it this week at Minnesota. I think
he's at my top fifteen. Isaiah likely also looking a
little better there. And my sleepers of the week love

(01:17:28):
me some. Sam Darnold to be twelve on the season.
Top ten play this week versus the Cardinals coming off
that five TV performance a week ago. And Troy Franklin,
he's been the guy. We're gonna watch him tonight. He's
been red hot a receiver out performing Courtland sudden chat,
I'm calling Brady Yards and a touchdown tonight.

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Apprestdator man, talk to you soon. Thanks, Dano.

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Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Here we go, our number three, cruising through a Thursday,
beautiful Thursday outside here in the Queen City. Chad Brendel
in FROMO Eggar a little early there. Thank you for

(01:19:29):
choosing me, appreciate it. I think I think we've got
Jay Morrison coming up in about twenty minutes, fifteen minutes,
talk some Bengals. We'll get to a little bit more
Reds conversation as well, and we'll talk to you. That
includes Ron and Milford, who's been hanging on for a while.

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So Ron, you're kicking off hour three. What's going on? Ron?

Speaker 14 (01:19:56):
This is a complete yeah chat, Yeah, gotcha.

Speaker 10 (01:20:01):
This is a complete dumpster fire. I mean, I don't
know what we expect to.

Speaker 14 (01:20:05):
Do because this defense is at least two to three years.

Speaker 12 (01:20:09):
Away from being able to stop anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Unfortunately, you're right, the fix is obviously not going to
come in free agency. They have made their choice when
it comes to where that type of money is allocated.
It's allocated to Joe, Jamar and t. You're not gonna
have a lot to work with in the free agent pool.
And I don't know what is salagable of all these

(01:20:33):
guys that they've gotten in the draft, Like, where are
you gonna go with? You know, let's go the last
three years Miles Murphy, DJ Turner looks like a piece
that you can build around, Jordan Battle, DJ Ivy. You
got one guy there, Chris Jenkins, McKinley, Jackson, Josh Newton,

(01:20:56):
Cedric Johnson, Dejon Anthony and then Shamar Stewart, Demetrius Knight,
Barret Carter. What are you building around? You're building around.
You got one guy, DJ Turner you feel comfortable with.
I don't think any of the other guys can play yet.
Early for Night and Carter, but they look completely lost

(01:21:20):
in the NFL.

Speaker 14 (01:21:21):
They do, and Chad, Jordan battles lost and not only
has he always lost, but he couldn't tackle you or me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
I could put the moves on Jordan battle, Oh, there's
no doubt.

Speaker 14 (01:21:35):
And I think we could probably put the moves on
Gino's stone.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Too, probably probably Like they're just they're in as bad
as shape. And look, the crazy part is I said
this earlier. When you're talking about the worst defenses in
NFL history, they're like, there's multiple Bengals squads. You've got
a clear to be the worst defense in Bengals history.
I'm forty eight now. I don't remember them ever being

(01:22:00):
in a worse place than this defensively.

Speaker 14 (01:22:04):
No, and that goes back to the you know, we're
about the same age, Chad, I'm forty nine. It goes
back to the years when we had bad players, like.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
The last decade when we had.

Speaker 14 (01:22:17):
Achille Smith and all those guys. Yeah, bad defenses, but
I don't remember defense that couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Stop anything anything. And they're getting ready to play the
good offenses on their schedule.

Speaker 14 (01:22:28):
I know, so Chad tell me this because I've been
talking to my friends. There's not I mean, even if
they Bengals try, I don't know if they can eke
out two more wins based on the schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
I don't feel great. I mean, I don't feel like
they can stop anybody. We know they can score forty
points and lose.

Speaker 14 (01:22:48):
Yes, so well, I think the next next thing off
is for them to try to score fifty and lose.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
They can do it. I've got faith in them.

Speaker 10 (01:22:59):
I have absolute faith.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Then, like, look that that was the most surefire thing ever,
right when they scored to go up one with fifty
four seconds left, that the Bears were at worst kicking
a field goal to win that game.

Speaker 14 (01:23:16):
Yeah, I thought to myself, why are we in such
a hurry to score? I thought to myself, even though
Chase Brown pretty much got stuffed on first and goal,
I'm like, why don't we run the ball here.

Speaker 10 (01:23:25):
On second goal?

Speaker 14 (01:23:27):
Because I know that the Bears pass defense can't stop anything,
so we knew that was a certainty. They couldn't stop
Joe Flacco and his bumb arms. So I thought to myself,
you know what, even if we have to try to
score on third or fourth down, I'm okay with that
as long as the clock's running.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Well, the problem is they had one more time out
to burn. You at least could have made him burn that,
which would have changed maybe how that final possession played out.
But yeah, there was no doubt in my mind, fifty
four seconds left leading by one, that was the Like
if I was a gambling person, I would have been

(01:24:03):
tempted to put all the money I had on the
Bears winning that game, like it was. It was a
lock at that point.

Speaker 14 (01:24:11):
Yeah, So, Chad, I don't really don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:24:13):
Like I said, it's such a dumpster fire.

Speaker 14 (01:24:15):
I'm depressed because it's two or three years of trying
to rebuild this defense. And like you said, I mean,
they could try to spend some money in free agency
if they don't read that they don't franchise tag Trey Hendrickson.
But even then, I mean, you can't replace eleven guys
in free agency, and you can't replace it with you know,
Duke Tobin drafting the likes of Miles Murphy and these

(01:24:36):
other clowns. I mean Miles Murphy, I mean he's lucky
if he.

Speaker 10 (01:24:39):
Smells a sack.

Speaker 14 (01:24:41):
I mean you and I could probably get a sack
before he does.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
It's amazing to me. And this was you know, this
is my point of the day for the Bengals. Who
in that building is saying what we're doing isn't working.
Whatever philosophy, And like I said, the plan was right.
The plan that we're gonna take these drafts twenty three,

(01:25:07):
twenty four to twenty five, when we know we're gonna
pay Burrow, We're gonna pay Chase, they ended up paying Higgins.
We know we're gonna need to be young on defense,
we know that we know we're gonna need to spend
almost all of our premium picks on offensive line and defense.
The plan was right. The execution has been as bad

(01:25:30):
as I've ever seen anything in sports executed. Who is
going to end that building say what we did didn't work?
And why? Because all we hear from them and essentially
it's only from Zach because nobody else faces the music
and talks to the public. But who's gonna say this

(01:25:52):
didn't work? Why didn't it work? And how do we
fix it? Instead of saying we like what we got,
you don't like what you got? Your line through your
damn teeth if you watch that tape and say we
like what we got?

Speaker 14 (01:26:06):
Yeah, I know, it's just I mean, how can I
how can they say these things with the straight face?

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Because I don't think there's anybody in the building that
is willing to stand up and say, you screwed up. Whoever, Duke,
whoever Katie, whoever's in charge of the plan, you screwed up.
We did not execute the plan. And now we're in
as bad a place as you can possibly be in
the NFL. And that's with a franchise quarterback signed to

(01:26:37):
a quarter of a billion dollar deal and a defense
that we are gonna need three years at best to fix,
three years at best to fix.

Speaker 14 (01:26:52):
Yeah, that's I mean, and nuts, you know, hitting on
all your draft picks probably and also signing you know,
two or three guys a free agency because I can't
see jo I can't see how any of.

Speaker 12 (01:27:04):
These guys can come back and start next year.

Speaker 14 (01:27:06):
I mean, we've tried t y Slayton, and he said
that he was gonna come in and stop the running.

Speaker 7 (01:27:11):
No problem.

Speaker 14 (01:27:12):
Well, yeah, he's had a big problem.

Speaker 12 (01:27:13):
He can't stop the run.

Speaker 14 (01:27:15):
We gave uh bj Hill because we love him a
new contract. He can't really do anything for us. I mean,
there's not a guy on that defense I want other
than Hendrickson. And now you know, we know why the
Bengals didn't want to give him a long term.

Speaker 10 (01:27:28):
Contract, because you know he's gonna well, he's bound to get.

Speaker 14 (01:27:33):
Dand up now at his age, and he didn't. He
didn't understand that. And that's, you know, I guess, a
valid point. And so there's not when you have eleven
guys and you need to replace all eleven, that's a
major problem.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
It's not great, Bob, not great. Thanks Ron, appreciate it, man,
thank you. Let's go to Jim. Jim wants to mix
it up and talk World Series. Jim and Milfred. How's
it going.

Speaker 18 (01:28:00):
Yeah, I'm sorry. You know, everybody's moved off from baseball,
but you know, I don't like the Dodgers and I
was hoping for them to lose. And so when I
saw that play, the force out play at home plate,
my question is that. I don't think slidings the proper

(01:28:20):
way to like approach that plate. Can you run through
home plate or with the catcher there, do you have
to do some kind of slide?

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
No, I mean he would not have. The catcher was
on the other side of the plate, so it wasn't
like there was going to be a collision before the
ball got there, so they could have run through the plate.

Speaker 18 (01:28:41):
I mean, wouldn't you run, like you're saying, both through
through the plate? Why did the guy slide?

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
I mean it was.

Speaker 18 (01:28:48):
Literally like an inch he was out by Like jees.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
I mean that did playing baseball all your life like
you slide? You've always slid in that scenari right, maybe
it's a fundamental thing that maybe maybe you shouldn't.

Speaker 18 (01:29:06):
I would think the third base coach, I mean, he's
made one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand dollars. Wouldn't his
job being like, okay, if you get forced out at
the plate, run through.

Speaker 7 (01:29:18):
I mean, peace, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:29:21):
I was.

Speaker 18 (01:29:21):
I was very upset. I was just like, clearly, why
would you slide? You lily like lost the World Series
by an edge? Why didn't you run through the plate
like you stained.

Speaker 7 (01:29:34):
Bolts or something.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
No, I get it. I get it. It's frustrating when
when when what you don't want to happen falls short
because of something like that, you're searching for any reason
you can on how it could have been different. That's
definitely one of those ways that it could have been different.
But I mean, I assume you've played baseball growing up.
You slide in that situation. Your natural instincts says to slide.

Speaker 18 (01:29:59):
Yeah, I get you fall back on your training or
in your instincts, but.

Speaker 7 (01:30:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:30:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:30:05):
If I was on third base, I'd be like dude
on ninety feet away from getting free dinner for the
rest of my.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Yeah, right, you know for sure what.

Speaker 18 (01:30:18):
Would be going through my head. I'd be like I
would have every lunch and every dinner bought for me
until I die, till the end of time, to the.

Speaker 7 (01:30:27):
End of time.

Speaker 18 (01:30:27):
All I need is go is ninety feet And I
think me personally, I would have run like you seen bowl.
I probably wouldn't have slowed down until I hit the
like the backstop or I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Know, man, straight down the straight down the steps into
the clubhouse for the champagne.

Speaker 18 (01:30:46):
There you go, man, I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:30:50):
Frustrating.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
I get it.

Speaker 18 (01:30:53):
The giant you know, the you know, the giant players
of of Los Angeles, just you know they play like
their ten feet tall.

Speaker 8 (01:31:06):
Yes, disappointing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Yeah, I agree, Thanks Jem, appreciate it. I have a
great day. All right, Let's take a break. Jay Morrison,
Jay as Jay good? Do we know Tara?

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have you tried the new fried turkey gobbler from Arby's yet?

Speaker 8 (01:33:19):
I haven't.

Speaker 12 (01:33:20):
I want to say they've had that in the past.

Speaker 8 (01:33:23):
It's a seasonal thing.

Speaker 12 (01:33:24):
I think I have had it in the past, and
like everything from Arby's, it's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
I'm a big Arby's guy. You know my favorite Arby's item, Jay,
what's that? The jalapeno poppers with the Bronco berry sauce.

Speaker 8 (01:33:39):
A right there with you.

Speaker 12 (01:33:40):
I tell people all the time, there as good as
you'll get anywhere. I get them every time. I don't
even get prized.

Speaker 7 (01:33:45):
When I go there.

Speaker 8 (01:33:46):
I don't either side.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
I get those is my side every time. One because
the Jalapeno poppers are legit good and I could bathe
in Bronco berry sauce. That stuff is amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:33:57):
It is. I always get two for a small and
four for a large. Yeah, it's good. Start with you.
They're really good, and they're not. They're not like for
jalopeno poppers. Think that people think they're gonna be really hot.

Speaker 8 (01:34:06):
They're not.

Speaker 12 (01:34:07):
They're not that spicy each they're pretty much niclavor.

Speaker 8 (01:34:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
I love them. I'm a big fan, So we're we're
kindred RB's spirits.

Speaker 12 (01:34:14):
Jay, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Rather talk about the Jalapeno poppers with the Bronco berry
sauce than this Bengals defense. I mean, the problem is, Jay,
they're bad. Sometimes you're bad. You know that that happens
in sports. Is the legit problem here, though, I don't
see a fix, Like, I don't know what the answer
is to making this better anytime soon.

Speaker 7 (01:34:39):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:34:39):
There is one.

Speaker 12 (01:34:40):
That was my question to a lot of the guys
after the loss to the Bears. You know, they I
kind of phrased it as like, look, since you guys
started playing football, you've been taught hard work is the
key to success. And by all accounts, coaches, player, everybody says,
nobody's given up that this team is working really hard
and the results never changed. You guys just have to

(01:35:02):
resign themself to the fact that you're not very good
and it's not going to change, and nobody won't. Nobody's
biting that. They're saying, you know, you can't look at
it that way. You have to keep working. You have
to have faith that it's going to get better. But
for me on the outside, for I think a lot
of people, I just I don't see the fix, and
I do kind of go back to last year and
how bad they were and then they simplified and they

(01:35:25):
went on that little bit of a.

Speaker 8 (01:35:26):
Run at the end.

Speaker 12 (01:35:26):
It was a run generated by the offense, but the
defense did start playing a little bit better. But this
defense is already simple. I don't know how you can
get any more simple, right, and they're not going to
get more complex. Like Al Golden said this week, he's like, look,
we're not going to tax these guys by installing a
bunch of new stuff, but you know, you don't want
to overburden them with new blitches and new schemes and

(01:35:48):
all that kind of thing. So I think I think
they're just kind of stuck. I do think it will
help if Trey Henderson comes back. He will help the
pass rush, and he will help the secondary, and he
will help the linebackers. But I mean, maybe that's all
you need. If he's in there and he's getting sacks
at the end of the game against the Jets or
even pressures against the Jets and the Bears, they probably

(01:36:08):
win both those games, and then they're sitting here at
five and four. It's a totally different conversation. But again,
there's no guarantee that he's coming back. He's got that
hip slash back injury, and it doesn't seem like there's
a real timeline on that. I think they're optimistic he
can be back for Pittsburgh, but certainly not definite.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
I mean, that was the worry with Trey from the
start though, right as this is a guy that's getting
a little long in the tooth, we're not comfortable giving
a guy and they have shown this with their philosophy
on building the roster. That hit thirty kind of not
in our plans anymore. Trey hits thirty, they don't. They
look like they want to move on from him, but

(01:36:46):
they don't. This is why, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:36:51):
I think the bigger part is when they get you know,
he'll be thirty one in less than a month the
fifth So I think the bigger part is they just
break down and the players when they get to that age,
especially such a freaky athletic position like defensive end, you
just don't kind of see the decline coming. It's just
kind of a cliff and there was the fear of that.
I think that's what it was, more so than injury.

(01:37:13):
But injury is a part of the equation too. I mean,
guy's bodies start breaking down. I mean, you know, look
at Joe Flacco's forty and he's dealing with the shoulder
and playing through it. But it does happen to guys
that get older, and that's that is that's a lot
of money to invest in a guy that's on the
wrong side of thirty. But he's we've seen him. He
has played through a lot. That Super Bowl run he

(01:37:34):
was playing through a really bad back injury a lot.
He's done that, and he's played through a broken wrist
in the past, so he's got a high pain tolerance.
But you wonder if that gets affected by a three
and six record, which could be a three and seven
record after Pittsburgh, maybe maybe the hip doesn't heal as fast.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Should they have traded him? And they were never going
to write but should they have?

Speaker 8 (01:37:58):
I don't think so.

Speaker 12 (01:37:58):
I don't think you're going to get an u of
a return there to make it worthwhile, and he is
so important, like if they traded him, then you would say,
definitely there is no hope for this defense to get
any better. I think they still hold out some hope that,
you know, if he if he can come back and
start giving him some semience of pressure and some other
guys can step up, that the defense can be good
enough to let him win some of these games. But

(01:38:22):
I don't I didn't. I thought maybe they should have
traded him in the off season, but not now. And
I plus, it's just a bad look to wave the
white flag. I'm really interested to see how the Jets
are going to respond on Sunday against the Browns. When
you start dealing stars like that away. It's how do
guys go to practice and be fired up? And the
front office is already looking at next year and they're

(01:38:44):
asking you to go out there and put your body
on the line, when when they've basically sold.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Out, the reality is they'll probably get what a third
round pick if Trey walks after if they don't tag
him and he walks, they'll get a third round compensatory pick.

Speaker 12 (01:38:58):
Roughly, yeah, you would think. And he's going to need
to really kind of break the bank for it to
be a third. I don't know what kind of market
he's going to have it at that age. And then
with the production going down this year, so it could
be a fourth, maybe even a fifth. But yeah, I
guess Trey Hendrickson last year walked away, then yeah, they
probably would have got a third.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
I just mean, when you're looking at like you're trying
to find a trade partner, if you're going to get
a third for him, like you're already going to get
that if he stays, Like if nobody's going to give
you a first or second, you're you know, now we're
in the negotiation process. Now we move down to a third.
I'm sure you're thinking, like, if you're in the Bengals
front office, that's probably going to be about where we

(01:39:41):
were gonna end up anyway, so we'll just keep him.

Speaker 12 (01:39:46):
Yeah, the difference there though, if it's a compic, it's
going to be twenty twenty seven, where sure trade h
it's likely going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
A twenty six.

Speaker 12 (01:39:51):
Yeah, so you can you can get it flipped a
little bit quicker, but but you're right it was the
overall compensation would be pretty similar.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
How much does it stink that we are not getting
to enjoy what Joe Flacco is doing? Because it's legendary
that he's I mean, he's unbelievable since he's been here,
and there's no joy in it at all.

Speaker 12 (01:40:15):
There should be, I mean that people should still recognize
what he's doing. And that was kind of what I
wrote about after Sunday's game. Is the criminal? How criminal
was that the defense robbed him of that moment? I
mean that was like I compared with Kerrie Strug the
Olympic Bok, or Willis Reed or you know, Hacksall Reynolds.

Speaker 8 (01:40:34):
Playing with the Brooklyn League in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 12 (01:40:36):
Just there's all kinds of things that I mean, It's
not on the national scale like that, but locally this
would have been revered as one of the great gutsy
performances in Cincinnati history. And now it's just going to
be a footnote of another game where they scored thirty
plus and Laws scored forty plus in this time. But
it is, it's it's really amazing. I didn't see this coming,

(01:40:57):
I Honor, when they traded for him, I said, well,
it's better than nothing. And I don't think anybody saw
this kind of performance number one coming at all, number
two coming this fast.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
I mean, it just goes to show one how good
Jamar and t are though, right, Like you can put
a guy in there that understands get the ball in
your hands, get it out, and get it to your stars,
and good things tend to happen.

Speaker 12 (01:41:23):
Yeah, And that is a big part of it, and
a big part of it is just how smart Flaco
is and how experience he is. He's seen it all.
I do think this can this run can be important.
I think that the way this run game is taken
off with Slakka with his willingness to go under center

(01:41:44):
and use the play action run, something Burrow has never
wanted to do. I wonder if Burrow sees this version
of the offense and says, yeah, maybe I do need
to do some more of that. I mean, his superpower
is the quick processing, and we all know that he
just doesn't want to turn his back to the defense.
He wants to be back during guns. So you can
survey the whole field, see the full picture. But I

(01:42:04):
don't know how you can look at what this offense
is doing and what this run game is doing, and
it's specifically and say we're going to go back away
from that whenever they go back to Joe Burrow, whether
it's week fifteen, week sixteen, or twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Six, especially considering it wasn't doing anything when they were
operating the old way.

Speaker 12 (01:42:23):
Yeah, they went for worst in the league to the
best in the league in October. I mean, that's not coincidence.
That's not figuring things out. That's everything. It's the offensive
line playing better, it's the going under.

Speaker 8 (01:42:34):
Center really leading into the run.

Speaker 12 (01:42:36):
I think it probably would have got better anyhow, It
just it didn't make any sense. Chase Brown is really good,
and I think we were all expecting a really big
year out of him, and it was a kind of
heads smashing that that wasn't happening.

Speaker 8 (01:42:48):
But yeah, it's remarkable.

Speaker 12 (01:42:51):
What's flackoing this entire offensive have done the last four weeks?

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
What does this look like coming out of the buy? Like,
what's the line locker room vibe that it doesn't seem
great right now for obvious reasons. Zach kind of I
think fans are upset that he went after Chase Brown.
When Chase Brown said what everybody was thinking, what? What
did you get a sense in the limited time you
were around this week that where the headspace is going

(01:43:18):
into the break?

Speaker 12 (01:43:21):
Yeah, I don't I think it's not as bad as
it was Sunday after the game. Sunday after the game,
I thought it was gonna be a powder keg. I
thought there was a real chance someone was gonna blow up.
And you know, Chase did kind of go over the
line a little bit there.

Speaker 8 (01:43:32):
I don't think what he said was all that bad.

Speaker 12 (01:43:33):
Everyone's thinking it, but it's these guys are trained. They
know what to do, even in the heat of the moment,
right when the game's over, just to say the correct thing,
or maybe.

Speaker 8 (01:43:42):
Behind closed door as you point door, point.

Speaker 12 (01:43:44):
Fingers a little bit and say those kind of things.
But it just feels like it's it's teetering, like it's
it's offense against defense.

Speaker 8 (01:43:52):
If they if the offense keeps playing like this and
they keep.

Speaker 12 (01:43:54):
Losing, I do think we're going to see more guys
popping off to the media and then popping off two
guys in the locker room. I think that's a big
reason we didn't see the blow up Sunday night is
because there was no defensive guys in there. They got
out of there in a hurry. I don't think they
wanted to face the media, and I don't want to
I don't think they wanted to face their offensive teammates.

(01:44:14):
It was it was really surprising how quickly that locker
room emptied out.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
Well, hopefully you guys got better results from your writers
meeting a couple of weeks back.

Speaker 12 (01:44:26):
You know, I just thought that was a kind of
a funny throwaway. Live just kind of kept going with
the bit, and I'm like, I'm not prepared for all
these questions. It was just I was just kind of
making something up there, but it would be fun to
do that, and I'm really upset, you know, I thought
we were all going to get together and and you know,
kind of have a few pops and talk things out
and have a fun night. But everybody's got their own

(01:44:49):
bye week plans, and maybe that'll be a week eighteen
or a week nineteen plan, because it doesn't look like
the Bengals are going to be playing football after week.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
Eighteen, after week nineteen, you guys are probably going to
need it.

Speaker 8 (01:45:01):
Thanks you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
I appreciate it, all right, Thanks Jed. There you go,
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I was talking Bengals. I don't I don't know about
Tennessee rainwater. But you got you know that definition of insanity, right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results.

Speaker 17 (01:49:25):
Right, And I don't see how we don't which change
the scheme up or try something creative. I mean, what's
the worst thing that can happen? We go from thirty
seconds thirty first? I mean we can tell her breath
the safety put some safeties in the box, like I
don't know, like over stack in the edge. We need

(01:49:45):
to flit.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
We never flit.

Speaker 17 (01:49:47):
Like why don't we ever flit?

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
Because they can't cover.

Speaker 9 (01:49:50):
We can't.

Speaker 17 (01:49:52):
We can't cover. We can't. We can't do nothing. But
something's gotta change. We gotta get created. Like can't tower
brith the safety or moving the linebacker?

Speaker 7 (01:50:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
I think they did move him. It was just they
moved him off the field.

Speaker 17 (01:50:11):
Right last year this year, Like I understand bensoning, but
if you didn't training and y ain't on are cutting?

Speaker 7 (01:50:20):
I mean yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
Mean, look, I think ultimately the problem is Michael. They
have bad players a lot of them, have a lot
of bad players, and there's not a whole lot scheme.
Doesn't like they've already done the one thing you do
when you your talent level is low, where you try
to make it simple and just let them play fast.
And they're really bad at that too. I don't know.

(01:50:44):
I mean, I'm with you in the in theory, try something,
try anything, like you know, it's the the poking a
guy with a stick meme, like is there life are
you is? I don't know that there is any life
in this defense. They stink out loud.

Speaker 17 (01:50:59):
I'm are these NFL players really that bad and that
they are? I mean, you know, Bill Bill Belichick, but
bring guys in off the street. I'm not comparing Bill Belichick.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
Anybody, nor should you, But.

Speaker 17 (01:51:14):
Hey, bring guys off the street and he plug them
in and they would kick butt instantly.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
Well, I think that's part of the problem. I don't
think there's a lot of situational awareness. There's not a
lot of self awareness in that building. There's nobody that's
going to stand up in the room and say, hey,
we got to do something different. These guys stink. Instead,
they all support each other and say no they'll get
it figured out. That no, Cam Taylor, BRIT's gonna get

(01:51:41):
it figured out. I promise we'll figure it out.

Speaker 10 (01:51:44):
Fourteen.

Speaker 8 (01:51:47):
I mean, hey, thanks, Dad, I'm.

Speaker 17 (01:51:50):
Gonna got off here and listen to you.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
But all right, I appreciate it, Michael. Yeah, but that's
the problem, right, Tarn. The message coming from everybody in
that building is things are fine. We're gonna get this right.

Speaker 7 (01:52:02):
No, you're not.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
The players stink. There's nobody outside of DJ Turner, nobody, nobody. Uh,
the white guy on the cruise ship, yeah, you know,
he met he met him. Yeah, they had him to
his house and like you know, they had a moment. Anyhow,

(01:52:29):
there's no good players, DJ Turner, Trey Hendrickson. I guess
who else is good? Who do you who else do
you feel confident with on that defense? There's no good players.
So it doesn't matter the scheme, the system, the coach.

(01:52:51):
But at that point, somebody's got to stand up in
that room and say we stink, guys, we stink or
potentially the worst defense in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
Let's go all in and just be the worst defense
in history.

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
I'm all for it. Like we're here, we are here, right,
we are past the halfway point. It is in reach, Tarran.
The worst defense in football history is within arms reach.
I think they should do it, go for it. Why not,

(01:53:37):
can't get any worse? Goodness, all right, Taran, it was
good to see you again today. Be's barbecue phenomenal, outstanding today.
Their brisket was excellent down in

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
OTR these you will be seeing me very very soon,
all right,