December 2, 2025 • 41 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss Joe Burrow's successful return, Myles Murphy's light bulb coming on, Trey Hendrickson's continued weirdness, and whether the Bengals actually bonded on a stranded airplane.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Bengals are bringing their own brand of football to
Buffalo when they go hunting for a win. Did I
tell you about the last time I was in below
my eight fifty wings slavered and hot sauce. Let's just
say I had to stampede my way to a stall
in the men's room. The Bengals battle the Bills.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Coverage begins at nine am Sunday, stream for free on
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the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
All right, that's us, good afternoon, I'm all lager. This
is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you so much for listening.
Hopefully you have braved and survived the snow and you
can hang out at Oakley Greens. Oakley Greens is open. Okay,
We're not gonna let three inches of snow in certain
parts of the tri State to ter Oakley Greens for
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being open. So when you're getting off work today or
planning a holiday party, you're thinking ahead to the football weekend,
all the conference championship games. You know, I've heard someone
describe Ohio State versus Indiana as the game of the century.
Now it's gonna be a good game. The Big ten
title is you know, in this era is still still
kind of cool, especially if you're IU. It's I would
stop short of Game of the Century Bengals Bills on Sunday.
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You could watch that game here as the Bengals take
a charge toward the AFC North title and a Super
Bowl championship. All of that here at to Oakley Greens.
Kitchen's open, bar is open, and we're here until six o'clock.
Paul Danner Junior is here. I feel like I haven't
seen you like a month. It's only been two weeks,
but a lot's happened in that time.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
It has you miss a day, you miss a lot,
you miss a week, you miss a lot. But I'm happy.
I'm happy to be here. It's so christmasy in here.
It is like I'm you know, I'm I was resistant.
I don't like people just stomping on Thanksgiving, agreed, and
so I felt like that was a little It's been
a little over the top. But now now we're through Thanksgiving,
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it's just the snow outside of the fires, the Christmas
stuff up everywhere. It's it's very it's very homely, very cozy.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's very cozy, it's very festive. It's festive without being
in your face festive.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, I don't. I don't feel overwhelmed by it, but
I do. I feel like what a lovely Christmas is not.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Like Chris Kindle market in your face. And I'm not
opposed to a Chris Kindle market, but that is that
is all about Christmas. This is kind of about Christmas,
but not entirely about Christmas, which I'm here for.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I feel like it's like going over to your friend's
house who has properly set this up as a Christmas
get together, but it's not like, hey, let's go, I've
got like we got Sanna here and we're gonna be
doing with their sli Like. No, it's it's comfortable.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I also neglected to mention if you're looking for a
place to watch the Skyline Chili Crosstown shoot out on
Friday night, you can do that here at Oakley Greens
as well. There is a lot of ground to cover
and it is remarkable the narrative shift. This is why
I love sports, This is why I love this league.
Two weeks ago, Who's gonna get fired? Who should get fired?
Should Burrow play they're playing out the strand, well they
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get a top five pick. How miserable is this going
to be? And now I'm not saying I've booked a
trip to Santa Clara, but my calendar's open.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah. I mean, it's funny how quickly things change. But
I do you know, I did interview Dane Brugler about
the state of the top ten about a week and
a half ago, and I still think that's still the conversation.
I mean, let's not let's not kid ourselves here by
one win. But I think that all along, well, as
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much as this was about okay, well, be able to
hand the keys to burrow, it was always about more
so you can the defense eventually turn into something. And
I think the takeaway of now three straight weeks we
were like, okay, let's see it again, Okay, let's see
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a little more. Okay, And then you have that game
against the Ravens in a place where you have traditionally
had heartbreaking defeats and not been able to stop Lamar Jackson,
who does not look like standard Lamar Jackson. But that's
beside the point where you're seeing the things that you
hoped you would see months ago. But you're seeing them now,
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and so now you look at it and you wipe
all the records off and you say they're two games back.
They have Joe Burrow, they have a defense that looks
like it could be below average to average. It's kind
of what you called for the whole time. The only
problem is you got to like rip off six in
a row. And so, but if you can get in
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in this AFC, has it ever felt more wide open?
Who the Patriots is?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
That?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Is that who you're scared of right now? Like, No,
in order for this team to get in, they will
have had to have had Burrow, will have to won
like thirteen games in a row as a start, but
just you know, dating back to last year and they'll
have had one six in a row. Obviously, they would
have beaten a lot of good teams along the way,
and they would be going into a playoffs where there's
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no dominant team really in the AFC right now, and
you give them as much a chance as any Again,
that's a lot of steps between now and then, because
it takes games that have looked like they have in
big moments this year. Well, you get a couple of
l's to the Bills, and the Ravens and we're back
to talking about the top five again. It's just they're
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in that spot. But I think what you hoped to see,
it's still alive right now and we just didn't think
that was gonna be possible.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Hard hard knocks to the AFC North last year should
do it this year because this divisions as division is
not very good.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I would love to see some of them behind the scenes.
What is currently happening Pittsburgh specifically, Yeah, certainly would be interesting.
Who I don't They don't look like they could win
another game.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That's the thing. Like the team, like, there's the brand,
the Steelers, big bad Steelers. You know, Tomlin's never had
a losing season all of that history. And then there's
watching that football team, not just on Sunday against the Bills,
but for the better part of the last month and
a half. And I know they beat the Bengals head
to head in that game a couple of weeks ago.
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If you watch them, there's nothing about them that screams
playoff team Division champion AFC contender, even in a year
like this, Nothing about it. And I felt that way
before Aaron Rodgers broke his wrist and then I watched
him try to play on Sunday. There's nothing about that
team that's scary. The Baltimore Ravens. Maybe Lamar Jackson turns
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into Lamar Jackson again, but he certainly seems physically compromised.
They've been uneven on offense even during that five game
winning streak. Defensively, while they were much better during that
five game winning streak, I'm not sure they're terrifying. They
have a history of losing stupid games. I did this
thing on Sunday and Monday, just more from a gambling perspective,
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because the Bengals there's great value, and I go okay.
I would rather get the payout with the Bengals and
the higher odds than I would betting on old man
Aaron Rodgers, a Steelers team that is underachieved defensively and
seems broken offensively, compromise Lebar Jackson, a Ravens team that
seems okay that maybe has had its championship window pass,
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or I can get the Bengals. Burrow Is back seventeen
and five in December and January. Regular season games since
twenty twenty one favored, I think in for their last
five oh in the game they have this Sunday and
like Burrow hadn't played well against that team either game
on let's go.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, No, I agree with you. You can you can
see it, yes, like you can feel it.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Not telling you it's likely.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
No, No, I think I think there's you know, we
talk about the playoff odds and then numbers on that simulator,
similar to simulate the simulator I did great. Similarly, simulator
is a great addition to the site. I love it.
Go go play as much as you want to do
with it and watch the odds go up and down.
You know it's got it in the single percentage points.
But what I think what the those numbers, the six percent,
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if you know, maybe fifteen percent after this weekend if
they win. And what they're missing is that that is
calculating a Bengals team and in similarly a Ravens and
a Steelers team that is projected to maybe not be
the same as what it has been. Right, one with
Burrow is going to have a different output than one without.
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One with a defense that isn't you know the same
as the Ka Kawanda tar decks from twenty twenty one
is going to play at a level that is not
going to be reflected in those numbers in terms of
chances to win and what that can look like. And
so maybe it's a touch higher than that, it's still
long odds. But to me the whole time, it has
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felt like, well, obviously with what they did in Baltimore
opens it up, but be Buffalo and let's see, right.
I feel like I feel like this feels like the
one where it's just going to be too much to overcome.
It's hard to see a world at eight nine.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
But if you can go you're falling again behind somebody
on Sunday, so you have another game, you're already two back.
You have to keep paying. So I I view with
the same way. If you win this one, then I
think it's like, okay, dude, let's do this.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
They've got as good a chance as anybody, especially if
it's the Ravens that are in front of them, because
you have them and you got to beat them anyway.
So it's certainly not impossible. There's a lot of the
a lot of the things that when you you know,
we do this a lot with teams that make runs
in any postseason, but specifically when they come from off
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the path off the pack to at the end, is
there you see these things of like, oh, well that happened,
and it felt like it really helped them take off,
whether it be as obvious as burrow or as small
as the goal line stand a couple of weeks ago
by the defense, or maybe as notable as the plane
getting delayed. In this the whole team bonding, it's totally
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the stuff people talk about, like, you know, it's it's
the first chapter of a book about a championship.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
See and it's a plane.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It starts on the plane, right, and it's like it's
this is the stuff that that truly does end up
happening when teams feel like they come together.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I'm calling bs on the team bonding thing on the
airplane thing, that's right. Has anybody ever been stuck on
an airplane? Anybody I've been stuck on an airplane? You
know what, I didn't feel like doing bonding with anybody,
but okay, but apparently they felt like bonding with a
bullet in my head. Okay, well, this is no bonding
happening on an airplane.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And this is it. Everyone else would bond over your
misery on a plane with that many people that all
know each everyone would be walking around in like thirty
four b being like, have you seen egger goodness, courageous
losing it up there?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I had this. I had this at the end of
the hour. I wanted to write about the airplane and
I'm going to ask about airplane travel because I do
have some thoughts on it. If there was no beverage cart,
then I'm I'm calling bs on the team bonding thing.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I love the idea when they started running out of food,
right and you're just staring at all these offensive linemen
who are like me hungry.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, you know, like that doesn't create bonding, Like it's
a neat story. And you know any but anybody who's
ever been stuck on an airplane, there's no bonding there.
You and your coach, you know you weren't there, go
you and your stuck on an airplane is usually with
people that.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You don't know, Okay, a plane for people that you
do know.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I was getting dispatches because I was with Dan Horden.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You see a game, not traveling with the team, and
I'm like, dude, I've heard from folks on the plane
like you might be able to drive to the airport
and fly with the team. If you and your co workers.
Let's say you and your buddies are on an airplane
right and you're stuck on the tarmac for five hours,
not only will you not bond, you'll start to turn
against each other. In fact, that's why you should go
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sit in another section of the airplane in case we're stuck,
because I don't want to lose my friendship. No bonding
on an airplane that's stuck on the tarmac.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Not with you, at least not with me.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
No, clearly I could see that for forty five minutes.
After an hour and a half, it's the shared experience
five hours in. No, there's no bonding. The person next
you're so tired of you want to kill them. No,
certainly it was you, no question about it. Yeah, I
do think in this division, and Tony and I did
talk about this yesterday. The math is not favorable. We
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know that I don't need to go to the playoffs
simulator though, I have to tell you that. But if
I'm a Baltimore Steelers fan, I'm looking at the Bengals
going now. We had a chance to give them away,
both of them, and you know now that object in
the rear view mirror is closer than it should be.
They just got their guy back, the reasonably healthy ish.
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Their schedule is not easy, but there's some very winnable
games on it. Like I maybe Mike Tomlin and John
Harbard and thinking that way. But if I'm a fan
of either one of those teams, I'm like, we had
a chance to slam the door. Pittsburgh did in mid October,
Baltimore did on Thursday night. And I do think there's
something about a guy like Joe Burrow, all the deficiencies
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that the team may have, when when you don't put
that guy away, it tends to come back to haunt you.
As a fan. I'm clinging to that, but I can't
help but think that that dynamic is real.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
And you know, we've we spent a lot of time
last week or so talking about why Burrow still wants
to play and his attitude towards always playing, always if
you have a chance, go play, you know, playing a
kid's game and all that stuff that has been really
cool and like his story just already is cool coming
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back for this, But there's also this other thing about
Joe Burrow, the guy who you know, we've documented the
numbers as an underdog is like he lives for this.
He lives for this. I mean the epic run, the
epic overcoming of all obstacles thing, not just in the injury,
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but now, oh you oh you don't think I can
run off six in a row. Oh you don't think
we can't gather this team together and make it happen.
And the belief that everyone gathers from this, That's what
twenty twenty one was right in so many ways. And
we can talk about how the defense was different, game
changing on that, but so much of that was always
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because of the belief that Burrow brings into a building
and this whole there are no obstacles that are stacked
too high that I can't climate mentality that's really, you know,
kind of been his whole mystique in his whole career.
And so you don't think he looks at this as like, man,
what an epic opportunity. Yeah, this is like what I'm
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built for. This is this is the type of thing
that would be, you know, the most legendary running NFL history.
And you don't think that he's looking down in down
this barrel right now and saying let's go do this,
and the idea of rallying the troops, especially if they
go into Buffalo and take out Josh Allen on Sunday
Man that just you know, it feels like it's one
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hundred percent something. If you are a Steelers or a
Ravens fan, you are scared to death about.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Also, the subjective title of best quarterback in the NFL seems.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Up for grabs. Yeah, granted, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Take your team on six and oh, get to the postseason.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
To make a run. Yeah, there's there is no doubt.
It's uh. I go back to Rocky four a lot,
and it feels like this is like it burrows, like
when Rocky was just like training out in the in
the wilderness in Russia for months, just like with the
with the picture of drava wet blanket.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Wife too tells him, you're not gonna be able to
beat that guy. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Rocky is gonna
get paid for that fight. I guess I'll go out
to Russia. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I don't know who that is in this particular analogy. However,
I do feel like this is like it's okay, well
I've been training for this and and sitting there behind
closed doors waiting to unleash it. And now maybe there's
a chance, maybe there's a chance that uh, that he
can go out there and go fifteen rounds with Drago.
All right, well too.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Far, No, not at all any Rocky four, Rocky.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I didn't know. You're disdaining for the wife.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
In every movie, she's like, you're not gonna be able
to win, you can't win. The only time she's remotely
incouraging is in Rocky three at the Beach, and that's
only because she got tired of sitting in that crappy
hotel room.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Every other time it's I can't win, sorry, rock Like,
why does support me?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Honey? He has a long history of winning. You would
think they'd be like, what, maybe he could win. By
the time you reach Rocky flour it's like, might win.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I don't know. I would have told her I will
be in Russia. You stay here in Philly or wherever.
But when I come back, be gone. Not gonna support
my guy gets beat. I gotta go fight this Russian dude,
And all you're gonna tell me is you can't beat him.
And now you want to jump onto my coat tails
late no, not all in on Adrian.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yeah, that's that's fair. That's that's fair. I'm going to
think more about who is hard to be in a.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Coma in Rocky two for her to even like support
him trying to fight.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
She married a fighter. I mean, it's look, although I
think anytime that you can get to hang out with
the robot, like true, the underrated best character in all
of the Rockies is Polly's robot.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
No doubt about it. And as a as a husband
of somebody who values like they're alone time I'm at
the house, I can understand, like, wait a minute, drunk brother,
meathead husband, they're gonna fly to Russia for like six weeks.
I get the place to myself with the robot.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, not too bad, not bad.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Maybe I'm on tea major and who knows. Twenty one
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Speaker 4 (19:04):
He's pretty good. Yeah, it was pretty good before.
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It's cool to have one of those titles he carries both.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Yes, I mean, I actually some video just I don't
know why, it was circulating today of Anthony catching the
game tying touchdown in Cleveland. Kevin Gallagher I retweeted, Yeah,
I saw that today and I was like, it's unbelievable.
Is that the most Is that the most challenging reception
by an offensive tackle ever? Because usually tackle eligibles are
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Boomer had to like throw it sideways and backwards and
Anthony bob by catching it behind himself. I mean, of course,
of course he's gonna have the most legendary offensive tackle.
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On Ooh, build the drama.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
More on Burrow because you wrote about him after the game,
and to me, he played as expected. There were moments
where it felt like he's got some rust to chip off.
I was more interested though, in how the team played
for him and rallied around him, And I thought that
dynamic was interesting. You could feel it watching on a
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television a few hundred miles away. The infusion of energy.
You could feel them rallying around him. You could feel
the excitement. Also, he's playing behind what I think is
a decent offensive line, and those two things, more than anything,
That's what I think about on Thursday as the game
went ongoing. Also, he took some snaps under center, which
thank god because many not a ton, but he did it.
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He did He did it. To me, that was like
him trolling people like, Okay, fine, here my hands under
the centers, But are we good?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Can I?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Can I go back to playing the way I want?
But as the game went on, I'm like, you know,
the team seems galvanized, the team seems ready. Maybe the
airplane ride did has something to do with it. Also,
thorough can't protecting them. This is gonna be all right?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the one thing I
kind of came away from that one a little bit
feeling generally like like after the Flacco Green Bay game,
where that first half was like, Okay, what do you
expect here? I mean, this guy's trying to get it going,
and then you see it in the second half, You're like, Oh,
this is what it's gonna look like. Yeah, this is
this is what this is what it could look like
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maybe you should look like. And you feel like, now
after coming out of that ten days a full game planned,
you know, all of that stuff, everybody back moving the
right way, t Higgins back in the in the mix,
you feel like it's gonna it can take off, much
like we saw happen with Flacco after that. Obviously with
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on a different level that Burrow plays at, but like
the similar concept is you saw so many of those
timing plays not hitting in the first half, which is
what was bogging them down. Stuff that you literally never
see Joe miss and those weren't being missed as much,
and there's really not enough love given too. Maybe there is,
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but to the Yoshi touchdown to everything that he had
to execute, it's vintage Burrow and to do that after
two months away and just come back out there and
win the chess match against the Ravens by diagnosing a
defense and blitz package that they've used in the past
and setting up the protection, moving guys around, and then
throwing the dime to Yoshi, who's got Rokwon Smith chasing them,
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like just the next level stuff that you get with him,
and and that you and maybe only get with him.
That sets it apart, and it's like, Okay, he's he's
starting to feel it. Now You're you're seeing all of
the all of the Burrow elements. The only one that's
yet to come that maybe you'll see in the coming
we a little bit more of the scrambling and the
playmaking stuff that makes people nervous but makes Joe Burrow
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special and so but yeah, I mean, it was a
pretty unbelievable performance all things considered.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, it was unbelievable and it almost is exactly what
I expected I'd be aligned to you if I told
you I really expected them to win the game or
win the game by as many as they did. But
I thought, as the game goes on, Joe's gonna be fine,
probably gonna be a little rough early. It's been two
and a half months. Also, he stinks in season openers.
This is a season opener two point zero.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
But I got what I was looking for. Yeah, I mean,
you got the look of a guy that still knows
what the heck he's doing out there. And also, you know,
I just thought, I love reflective Joe Burrow. We don't
get it all that often, like we do sometimes, and
I just feel like his his perspective is always so great,
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and you feel his teammates latch onto whatever that perspective is.
And whether he's sang it through us or saying it
to them behind closed doors or whatever. We don't know
exactly what's being said there, but like you really feel that,
And it was just really cool to hear him talk
about how much this meant to him and teammates, you know,
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going around the locker room after the game, teammates talking
about how much it mattered to them to try to
win because of how much they knew it meant to
Joe and they want to do this for Joe, And
I think that's a true rallying cry that lasts. And
I thought brought out another level when a lot of
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players individually on Thursday night that maybe we hadn't totally
seen yet.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
He made me feel ashamed of myself because when they
lost to the Patriots, my thing was put him on
the shelf. And then when I heard him talk about
wanting to play and it's a kid's game and we
get paid a lot of money, my take was, who
am I to take that away from him?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Right? Like?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Who am I to tell him, don't do this if
you can, especially when the game's dull STU carry meaning
now and talk to me week seventeen if they have
eleven losses Joe hard pass. But I literally was like,
you know, that was my take, But who am I
to tell this dude? Yeah, hey, you worked your ass off,
hold a clipboard?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, And that was sort of my thing the whole time,
was I mean, even early in the week when Burrow
was like, look, I'm never going to be the one
to be like I'm healthy, but I don't think I
should play like I'm too important or whatever, and I
think that was the whole thing was was that is
one who he is and who the Bengals have kind
of tried to build their entire organization around that attitude,
(25:51):
and that's what they want more people and everyone to
be sort of about. Is if you're healthy, if there's
a way you can go out there and do it
and do whatever you can can help your team win,
you go do it. And that means a lot to people,
and I think it leaves him. He always makes an
impact on his teammates and you hear that from them
whenever you talk to him. But I think it was
(26:13):
exponentially notable because of everything that he did and how
sort of open and reflective he was about that during
the course of the weekend. On Thursday, all right, we're.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Late twenty four from four o'clock at Oakley Greens. We're
gonna get to Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Shall we have we done that before? Uh?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, I haven't written down on the list. Well I
have airplane.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
We already did that. We've already kind of done. I
guess we'll have to do Trey Hendrickson. I know you
don't like doing that, you.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Know what I'm gonna talk about Miles Murphy before we
talk about Trey Hendrick.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Let's do it, please.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
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Speaker 4 (29:04):
Just do it here at Oakley Drink fellowship and good vibe.
You're right across.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's usually what I think that it brings out of everybody.
There are two hours a year where I absolutely, no
matter what's going on, will not look at social media.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah, those are the two. Those are the two. I
can't think of it without seeing Kenny Freeze's eye because
I mean, just the craziest sporting event I've ever covered
in my entire life being I will I will be
on my death talking about I was ten feet away
from the fight in UC Xavier and we'll we'll never
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forget seeing it that close and how close, how my
jaw lived on the floor that entire afternoon.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
You want to talk about a cauldron of bad sports takes,
go back and find shows and social media and blogs
from fourteen years ago this December, because that's I I'm
not sure there's ever been a a you know, like
a a an event that generated more just awful takes
than that one.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, there'm I might have spewed a few. I don't
even know, but I probably did too. I was in favor.
I don't know if I still am. Do you want
to cancel the game? No? No, no. I was in
favor of the three site rotation of Xavier Uce Neutral
every three years because I like I like the neutral
(30:28):
I was one of the few that liked the Neutral site.
I think I like the It has an ncble A
feel about like momentum swings, where you have runs where
one side of the building is like rising in the
other one sitting, and then I felt like it made
the runs feel bigger. That was really cool that I
liked it, And it kind of was a good ncublea
feel on that one. But but without giving away like
when was like, oh, no, we're not going to do
(30:49):
these on home sites anymore, like the floor was the problem. No,
but I did like the idea that came up of
maybe having a rotation, even though I.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Think you were the one that came up with the
idea of change the name, right, was that.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I was not change the name. Don't you put that
on me? Don't you put that on me?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Is Miles Murphy?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Good might be, I'm not gonna say good. I still
think that.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Turned the corner light bulbs on.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
A switch has been flipped. Look. Had we talked to
Jerry Montgomery Montgomery on the Rewatch Show Charlie and I
yesterday and just talking about sort of the development of
all these young guys. Yeah, but a lot of it
was about Miles. And I was talking about the play
where he chases down Derrick Henry forty yards down the field.
(31:37):
Only three defensive linemen all year have a tackle on
a play that game thirty plus yards. He's one of three.
This is not something that happens, and particularly chasing it
from behind. He said, Yeah, that's true, he said, but
I'd like you to go back two weeks ago and
there was a play where a run by Kenneth Gainwell
and Pittsburgh got out and Miles essentially loafed and didn't
(32:00):
and you know a lot of company that dead right, absolutely,
But he's like that, that's stuff that was shown and
so to see it go from you got to learn
for you gotta do this to turn into that, which
then turns into three plays later his tip ball that
turns an interception. Like it's those moments where you you
(32:22):
see it happen, you see everything your coaches have been
telling you, you see it start to turn into something
are what drives you to become that player all the time.
And I just think there hadn't because of his lack
of experience, because of his lack of success and and everything.
I don't think he had had those drivers. But you've
seen that now really over the last three weeks as
(32:44):
he's been playing. He's been playing more before that, but
you've certainly over the last three weeks seen him be
more active, more productive. You're seeing where you see him
every single game, where I don't think you've said that
hardly at all during his career. And it does, I
mean it does take time for guys, especially guys that
are looked at as trades based prospects. I still think
(33:07):
that what we learned early is that, Okay, he's not
gonna have a first round elite ceiling, but I think
his floor is raising right now.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
And I'll take that well absolutely, And.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I just think it's what it's the does he have
the dog get him righty. He had the fight that
he He looks like a guy that wants it and
cares and it matters to him. And he's playing with
that energy and the heart and passion stuff that you
kind of hope to see more of from him that
you hadn't seen enough of. I think over his time
here and it's it's showing up. He still doesn't finish,
(33:43):
like he's still struggling to finish. But there was a play,
but he's back there.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
There was a play in that game where I think
he's he's in the backfield trying to take down Lamar
and it looks like he was told to go back
in the position that he was in before the ball
was snapped. I wish I had it in front of you.
It's one of the I was watching it with a
buddy of mine and I'm like, what is Miles Murphy doing? Yeah,
But then I'm like, you know, positive guy, he was
(34:09):
in the backfield.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
He just chose to go back, chose to go you know,
he got there.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Should we give al Golan the D back in his
last name?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Has he earned it? I'm not there yet, Okay. I
Mean here's the thing. I think that the Bengals were
beneficiaries of some pretty significant breaks, not just one, not
just two. Also, them not giving the ball to Derek
Henry made no sense, right, a lot of things happening
and that I mean, you know the OPI on the
(34:41):
Ze Flowers touchdown obviously, the fumble that ends up a
touchback in the end zone that should have been Isaiah.
I mean, credit the hustle by Jordan Battle, but still
you know a couple of deep balls that they should
have connected to Tess Walker. Like, there there were a
number of plays, some calls that that could have gone
this other way, and the game feels completely different, it
looks different. We talk about this all the time when
(35:03):
in games at the Bengals of loss right, it's like, ah,
this call, this play, and they had multiple of those
where you I don't know how anybody didn't feel at halftime, like, man,
they've squandered this opportunity. How are they only up five
considering all the breaks that felt like had gone their way.
I mean, Lamar literally just gives them a ball at
one point, like they're getting turnovers. They maybe you create some,
(35:26):
some of them you don't deserve. Like so I'm I'm
there it's clearly you're clearly seeing a trend in the ring. Clearly,
like no, nobody is. I am not disparaging that at all.
I think you're clearly seeing it start to click for
these guys and them to build some confidence and momentum.
And even Al Golden talked to us yesterday and said,
(35:46):
you know, he's more trusting and comfortable to call more
of the exotic. Not I'm gonna use exotic, but just
just the extra stuff in his game plan that he's
been resistant to do because they'll afraid they're gonna screw
it up. And so the ability to do more blitzes
on second downs on third downs showed up. You see
that when you watch the game. And so I think
just think all of that shows that, yes, the progress
(36:10):
is being made and you're seeing it going in a
different direction. But how high can they get this year?
I'm not going to totally say what happened in Baltimore
suggests that because some of those big moments that could
have gone against them didn't, and and that changed the
whole dynamic of the game that said go to Buffalo, yeah,
and slow down Josh Allen and these guys that just
(36:31):
ran all over Pittsburgh and uh, I think it's a
different story.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Then he gets the D in his name, then I'd
give him the D. You writ your headlines, because the
headlines could be kind of fun.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
If I'm not going to steal your thing.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Buddy, if this is what you're stealing, you are totally
out of ideas. I'm just saying, like, Al gets the
D and then you can write about how Moeger took
his D away. I'll combine two things here because we
don't we don't have a lot of time. Trey Hendrickson,
you wrote about the fact that it's weirdness chapter number
(37:08):
five hundred and six.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Do you think that.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
The team bonding on the airplane took place because Trey
wasn't on it?
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Potentially, potentially maybe they just they just needed that extracted.
I cannot, I cannot say that for certain exactly exactly why.
I mean, it'd be like if you weren't on it,
with the attitude that you clearly have towards you wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Want If we're ever on a plane where we're stuck
for five hours, you should hope I get kicked off. Yeah,
I'm not going to be very pleasant to be around.
You're not gonna want to bond with me.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Would you rather sit like on the tarmac outside the
plane or be on the plane.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I would rather jump out of a moving plane than
sit in either really quick, because we don't have a
lot of time here. And you wrote about the the
the Trey Hendrickson situation. To me, it's just like, you
know what, why not one more set of weird circumstances
for this guy before he leaves?
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, I mean it certainly feels that way. I mean
just feels like it's one of those where whenever Trey
feels like he wants to come back or or can
fight through this or whatever, he will, it's it's a
situation where nobody can nobody knows but Trey. And this
has kind of been when people ask me about this
(38:23):
all the time. What I kind of go back to
is there can be all the circumstances in the world
that tell you that, oh, he could be doing it
because of this, because he's going to be a free
agent and because he doesn't really care or whatever you
want to say is the reason. Or he's doing it
because he doesn't like the Bengals in the way that
they treated him, or whatever. Nobody really knows. But the
(38:47):
way this particular thing, this injury is, it's a it's
about how he views his pain, tolerance, willingness to play
through it, how he wants to, how he feels like
he can handle it. What going out they at less
than one hundred percent is worth to him to the team,
Like nobody really knows, but Trey in terms of what
(39:09):
exactly is happening here at least, it certainly feels that way.
It's it's it's up to him. And so we can
sit here and say what we want. I think there's
a lot of reasons you can look at and say, Man,
go play through something, Go go out there on third downs?
Can you can? You can you give me what said
Johnson's doing right now? You know, give me the sub
package third down off the edge and something and and
(39:32):
give me a you know, a fourth give me a
fourth quarter series? Right? Can you do that? And I
he said to me before the trade deadline, like, I, look,
I not really been through this before. I have a
standard for my play and I want to go out
there and play the level that I feel like I
want to play at. Now maybe that level is higher
because he doesn't feel the loyalty to this team because
(39:54):
of the way things went down, And that's all part
of it too. But nobody really knows.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
But Trey art Monk is the answer to the question.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
When did Boomer through to artmost with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, spend a year with the Jets, end of his
Hall of Fame career. Caught a touchdown pads from Art Monk.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Any question where Art Monk and Anthony Munhos are the answer,
I'm interested in. Well done, mo, We'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
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in addition to going to the playoffs simulator every ten minutes,
Austin Elmore lives on that thing. Yeah, I mean you
should like put a paywall, an extra paywall behind that
for him.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
He'll pay, He'll pay. Oh yeah, all right, I'll just
go ask him for the money next time I see him.
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Now it's gonna be a good game. The Big ten
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Speaker 4 (01:36):
It has you miss a day, you miss a lot,
you miss a week, you miss a lot. But I'm happy.
I'm happy to be here. It's so christmasy in here.
It is like I'm you know, I'm I was resistant.
I don't like people just stomping on Thanksgiving, agreed, and
so I felt like that was a little It's been
a little over the top. But now now we're through Thanksgiving,
(01:57):
it's just the snow outside of the fires, the Christmas
stuff up everywhere. It's it's very it's very homely, very cozy.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's very cozy, it's very festive. It's festive without being
in your face festive.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, I don't. I don't feel overwhelmed by it, but
I do. I feel like what a lovely Christmas is not.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Like Chris Kindle market in your face. And I'm not
opposed to a Chris Kindle market, but that is that
is all about Christmas. This is kind of about Christmas,
but not entirely about Christmas, which I'm here for.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I feel like it's like going over to your friend's
house who has properly set this up as a Christmas
get together, but it's not like, hey, let's go, I've
got like we got Sanna here and we're gonna be
doing with their sli Like. No, it's it's comfortable.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I also neglected to mention if you're looking for a
place to watch the Skyline Chili Crosstown shoot out on
Friday night, you can do that here at Oakley Greens
as well. There is a lot of ground to cover
and it is remarkable the narrative shift. This is why
I love sports, This is why I love this league.
Two weeks ago, Who's gonna get fired? Who should get fired?
Should Burrow play they're playing out the strand, well they
(03:00):
get a top five pick. How miserable is this going
to be? And now I'm not saying I've booked a
trip to Santa Clara, but my calendar's open.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah. I mean, it's funny how quickly things change. But
I do you know, I did interview Dane Brugler about
the state of the top ten about a week and
a half ago, and I still think that's still the conversation.
I mean, let's not let's not kid ourselves here by
one win. But I think that all along, well, as
(03:30):
much as this was about okay, well, be able to
hand the keys to burrow, it was always about more
so you can the defense eventually turn into something. And
I think the takeaway of now three straight weeks we
were like, okay, let's see it again, Okay, let's see
(03:51):
a little more. Okay, And then you have that game
against the Ravens in a place where you have traditionally
had heartbreaking defeats and not been able to stop Lamar Jackson,
who does not look like standard Lamar Jackson. But that's
beside the point where you're seeing the things that you
hoped you would see months ago. But you're seeing them now,
(04:12):
and so now you look at it and you wipe
all the records off and you say they're two games back.
They have Joe Burrow, they have a defense that looks
like it could be below average to average. It's kind
of what you called for the whole time. The only
problem is you got to like rip off six in
a row. And so, but if you can get in
(04:33):
in this AFC, has it ever felt more wide open?
Who the Patriots is?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
That?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Is that who you're scared of right now? Like, No,
in order for this team to get in, they will
have had to have had Burrow, will have to won
like thirteen games in a row as a start, but
just you know, dating back to last year and they'll
have had one six in a row. Obviously, they would
have beaten a lot of good teams along the way,
and they would be going into a playoffs where there's
(04:59):
no dominant team really in the AFC right now, and
you give them as much a chance as any Again,
that's a lot of steps between now and then, because
it takes games that have looked like they have in
big moments this year. Well, you get a couple of
l's to the Bills, and the Ravens and we're back
to talking about the top five again. It's just they're
(05:21):
in that spot. But I think what you hoped to see,
it's still alive right now and we just didn't think
that was gonna be possible.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Hard hard knocks to the AFC North last year should
do it this year because this divisions as division is
not very good.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I would love to see some of them behind the scenes.
What is currently happening Pittsburgh specifically, Yeah, certainly would be interesting.
Who I don't They don't look like they could win
another game.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That's the thing. Like the team, like, there's the brand,
the Steelers, big bad Steelers. You know, Tomlin's never had
a losing season all of that history. And then there's
watching that football team, not just on Sunday against the Bills,
but for the better part of the last month and
a half. And I know they beat the Bengals head
to head in that game a couple of weeks ago.
(06:08):
If you watch them, there's nothing about them that screams
playoff team Division champion AFC contender, even in a year
like this, Nothing about it. And I felt that way
before Aaron Rodgers broke his wrist and then I watched
him try to play on Sunday. There's nothing about that
team that's scary. The Baltimore Ravens. Maybe Lamar Jackson turns
(06:29):
into Lamar Jackson again, but he certainly seems physically compromised.
They've been uneven on offense even during that five game
winning streak. Defensively, while they were much better during that
five game winning streak, I'm not sure they're terrifying. They
have a history of losing stupid games. I did this
thing on Sunday and Monday, just more from a gambling perspective,
(06:50):
because the Bengals there's great value, and I go okay.
I would rather get the payout with the Bengals and
the higher odds than I would betting on old man
Aaron Rodgers, a Steelers team that is underachieved defensively and
seems broken offensively, compromise Lebar Jackson, a Ravens team that
seems okay that maybe has had its championship window pass,
(07:12):
or I can get the Bengals. Burrow Is back seventeen
and five in December and January. Regular season games since
twenty twenty one favored, I think in for their last
five oh in the game they have this Sunday and
like Burrow hadn't played well against that team either game
on let's go.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, No, I agree with you. You can you can
see it, yes, like you can feel it.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Not telling you it's likely.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
No, No, I think I think there's you know, we
talk about the playoff odds and then numbers on that simulator,
similar to simulate the simulator I did great. Similarly, simulator
is a great addition to the site. I love it.
Go go play as much as you want to do
with it and watch the odds go up and down.
You know it's got it in the single percentage points.
But what I think what the those numbers, the six percent,
(07:56):
if you know, maybe fifteen percent after this weekend if
they win. And what they're missing is that that is
calculating a Bengals team and in similarly a Ravens and
a Steelers team that is projected to maybe not be
the same as what it has been. Right, one with
Burrow is going to have a different output than one without.
(08:18):
One with a defense that isn't you know the same
as the Ka Kawanda tar decks from twenty twenty one
is going to play at a level that is not
going to be reflected in those numbers in terms of
chances to win and what that can look like. And
so maybe it's a touch higher than that, it's still
long odds. But to me the whole time, it has
(08:42):
felt like, well, obviously with what they did in Baltimore
opens it up, but be Buffalo and let's see, right.
I feel like I feel like this feels like the
one where it's just going to be too much to overcome.
It's hard to see a world at eight nine.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
But if you can go you're falling again behind somebody
on Sunday, so you have another game, you're already two back.
You have to keep paying. So I I view with
the same way. If you win this one, then I
think it's like, okay, dude, let's do this.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
They've got as good a chance as anybody, especially if
it's the Ravens that are in front of them, because
you have them and you got to beat them anyway.
So it's certainly not impossible. There's a lot of the
a lot of the things that when you you know,
we do this a lot with teams that make runs
in any postseason, but specifically when they come from off
(09:31):
the path off the pack to at the end, is
there you see these things of like, oh, well that happened,
and it felt like it really helped them take off,
whether it be as obvious as burrow or as small
as the goal line stand a couple of weeks ago
by the defense, or maybe as notable as the plane
getting delayed. In this the whole team bonding, it's totally
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the stuff people talk about, like, you know, it's it's
the first chapter of a book about a championship.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
See and it's a plane.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It starts on the plane, right, and it's like it's
this is the stuff that that truly does end up
happening when teams feel like they come together.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I'm calling bs on the team bonding thing on the
airplane thing, that's right. Has anybody ever been stuck on
an airplane? Anybody I've been stuck on an airplane? You
know what, I didn't feel like doing bonding with anybody,
but okay, but apparently they felt like bonding with a
bullet in my head. Okay, well, this is no bonding
happening on an airplane.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And this is it. Everyone else would bond over your
misery on a plane with that many people that all
know each everyone would be walking around in like thirty
four b being like, have you seen egger goodness, courageous
losing it up there?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I had this. I had this at the end of
the hour. I wanted to write about the airplane and
I'm going to ask about airplane travel because I do
have some thoughts on it. If there was no beverage cart,
then I'm I'm calling bs on the team bonding thing.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I love the idea when they started running out of food,
right and you're just staring at all these offensive linemen
who are like me hungry.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, you know, like that doesn't create bonding, Like it's
a neat story. And you know any but anybody who's
ever been stuck on an airplane, there's no bonding there.
You and your coach, you know you weren't there, go
you and your stuck on an airplane is usually with
people that.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You don't know, Okay, a plane for people that you
do know.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I was getting dispatches because I was with Dan Horden.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You see a game, not traveling with the team, and
I'm like, dude, I've heard from folks on the plane
like you might be able to drive to the airport
and fly with the team. If you and your co workers.
Let's say you and your buddies are on an airplane
right and you're stuck on the tarmac for five hours,
not only will you not bond, you'll start to turn
against each other. In fact, that's why you should go
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sit in another section of the airplane in case we're stuck,
because I don't want to lose my friendship. No bonding
on an airplane that's stuck on the tarmac.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Not with you, at least not with me.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
No, clearly I could see that for forty five minutes.
After an hour and a half, it's the shared experience
five hours in. No, there's no bonding. The person next
you're so tired of you want to kill them. No,
certainly it was you, no question about it. Yeah, I
do think in this division, and Tony and I did
talk about this yesterday. The math is not favorable. We
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know that I don't need to go to the playoffs
simulator though, I have to tell you that. But if
I'm a Baltimore Steelers fan, I'm looking at the Bengals
going now. We had a chance to give them away,
both of them, and you know now that object in
the rear view mirror is closer than it should be.
They just got their guy back, the reasonably healthy ish.
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Their schedule is not easy, but there's some very winnable
games on it. Like I maybe Mike Tomlin and John
Harbard and thinking that way. But if I'm a fan
of either one of those teams, I'm like, we had
a chance to slam the door. Pittsburgh did in mid October,
Baltimore did on Thursday night. And I do think there's
something about a guy like Joe Burrow, all the deficiencies
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that the team may have, when when you don't put
that guy away, it tends to come back to haunt you.
As a fan. I'm clinging to that, but I can't
help but think that that dynamic is real.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
And you know, we've we spent a lot of time
last week or so talking about why Burrow still wants
to play and his attitude towards always playing, always if
you have a chance, go play, you know, playing a
kid's game and all that stuff that has been really
cool and like his story just already is cool coming
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back for this, But there's also this other thing about
Joe Burrow, the guy who you know, we've documented the
numbers as an underdog is like he lives for this.
He lives for this. I mean the epic run, the
epic overcoming of all obstacles thing, not just in the injury,
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but now, oh you oh you don't think I can
run off six in a row. Oh you don't think
we can't gather this team together and make it happen.
And the belief that everyone gathers from this, That's what
twenty twenty one was right in so many ways. And
we can talk about how the defense was different, game
changing on that, but so much of that was always
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because of the belief that Burrow brings into a building
and this whole there are no obstacles that are stacked
too high that I can't climate mentality that's really, you know,
kind of been his whole mystique in his whole career.
And so you don't think he looks at this as like, man,
what an epic opportunity. Yeah, this is like what I'm
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built for. This is this is the type of thing
that would be, you know, the most legendary running NFL history.
And you don't think that he's looking down in down
this barrel right now and saying let's go do this,
and the idea of rallying the troops, especially if they
go into Buffalo and take out Josh Allen on Sunday
Man that just you know, it feels like it's one
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hundred percent something. If you are a Steelers or a
Ravens fan, you are scared to death about.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Also, the subjective title of best quarterback in the NFL seems.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Up for grabs. Yeah, granted, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Take your team on six and oh, get to the postseason.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
To make a run. Yeah, there's there is no doubt.
It's uh. I go back to Rocky four a lot,
and it feels like this is like it burrows, like
when Rocky was just like training out in the in
the wilderness in Russia for months, just like with the
with the picture of drava wet blanket.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Wife too tells him, you're not gonna be able to
beat that guy. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Rocky is gonna
get paid for that fight. I guess I'll go out
to Russia. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I don't know who that is in this particular analogy. However,
I do feel like this is like it's okay, well
I've been training for this and and sitting there behind
closed doors waiting to unleash it. And now maybe there's
a chance, maybe there's a chance that uh, that he
can go out there and go fifteen rounds with Drago.
All right, well too.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Far, No, not at all any Rocky four, Rocky.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I didn't know. You're disdaining for the wife.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
In every movie, she's like, you're not gonna be able
to win, you can't win. The only time she's remotely
incouraging is in Rocky three at the Beach, and that's
only because she got tired of sitting in that crappy
hotel room.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Every other time it's I can't win, sorry, rock Like,
why does support me?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Honey? He has a long history of winning. You would
think they'd be like, what, maybe he could win. By
the time you reach Rocky flour it's like, might win.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I don't know. I would have told her I will
be in Russia. You stay here in Philly or wherever.
But when I come back, be gone. Not gonna support
my guy gets beat. I gotta go fight this Russian dude,
And all you're gonna tell me is you can't beat him.
And now you want to jump onto my coat tails
late no, not all in on Adrian.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yeah, that's that's fair. That's that's fair. I'm going to
think more about who is hard to be in a.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Coma in Rocky two for her to even like support
him trying to fight.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
She married a fighter. I mean, it's look, although I
think anytime that you can get to hang out with
the robot, like true, the underrated best character in all
of the Rockies is Polly's robot.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
No doubt about it. And as a as a husband
of somebody who values like they're alone time I'm at
the house, I can understand, like, wait a minute, drunk brother,
meathead husband, they're gonna fly to Russia for like six weeks.
I get the place to myself with the robot.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, not too bad, not bad.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
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You know who's gonna be here on this number twenty first?
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Speaker 4 (19:04):
He's pretty good. Yeah, it was pretty good before.
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It's cool to have one of those titles he carries both.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Yes, I mean, I actually some video just I don't
know why, it was circulating today of Anthony catching the
game tying touchdown in Cleveland. Kevin Gallagher I retweeted, Yeah,
I saw that today and I was like, it's unbelievable.
Is that the most Is that the most challenging reception
by an offensive tackle ever? Because usually tackle eligibles are
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like nice, saft little balls, and these guys wide open.
Boomer had to like throw it sideways and backwards and
Anthony bob by catching it behind himself. I mean, of course,
of course he's gonna have the most legendary offensive tackle.
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On Ooh, build the drama.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
More on Burrow because you wrote about him after the game,
and to me, he played as expected. There were moments
where it felt like he's got some rust to chip off.
I was more interested though, in how the team played
for him and rallied around him, And I thought that
dynamic was interesting. You could feel it watching on a
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television a few hundred miles away. The infusion of energy.
You could feel them rallying around him. You could feel
the excitement. Also, he's playing behind what I think is
a decent offensive line, and those two things, more than anything,
That's what I think about on Thursday as the game
went ongoing. Also, he took some snaps under center, which
thank god because many not a ton, but he did it.
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He did He did it. To me, that was like
him trolling people like, Okay, fine, here my hands under
the centers, But are we good?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Can I?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Can I go back to playing the way I want?
But as the game went on, I'm like, you know,
the team seems galvanized, the team seems ready. Maybe the
airplane ride did has something to do with it. Also,
thorough can't protecting them. This is gonna be all right?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the one thing I
kind of came away from that one a little bit
feeling generally like like after the Flacco Green Bay game,
where that first half was like, Okay, what do you
expect here? I mean, this guy's trying to get it going,
and then you see it in the second half, You're like, Oh,
this is what it's gonna look like. Yeah, this is
this is what this is what it could look like
(21:39):
maybe you should look like. And you feel like, now
after coming out of that ten days a full game planned,
you know, all of that stuff, everybody back moving the
right way, t Higgins back in the in the mix,
you feel like it's gonna it can take off, much
like we saw happen with Flacco after that. Obviously with
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on a different level that Burrow plays at, but like
the similar concept is you saw so many of those
timing plays not hitting in the first half, which is
what was bogging them down. Stuff that you literally never
see Joe miss and those weren't being missed as much,
and there's really not enough love given too. Maybe there is,
(22:21):
but to the Yoshi touchdown to everything that he had
to execute, it's vintage Burrow and to do that after
two months away and just come back out there and
win the chess match against the Ravens by diagnosing a
defense and blitz package that they've used in the past
and setting up the protection, moving guys around, and then
throwing the dime to Yoshi, who's got Rokwon Smith chasing them,
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like just the next level stuff that you get with him,
and and that you and maybe only get with him.
That sets it apart, and it's like, Okay, he's he's
starting to feel it. Now You're you're seeing all of
the all of the Burrow elements. The only one that's
yet to come that maybe you'll see in the coming
we a little bit more of the scrambling and the
playmaking stuff that makes people nervous but makes Joe Burrow
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special and so but yeah, I mean, it was a
pretty unbelievable performance all things considered.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, it was unbelievable and it almost is exactly what
I expected I'd be aligned to you if I told
you I really expected them to win the game or
win the game by as many as they did. But
I thought, as the game goes on, Joe's gonna be fine,
probably gonna be a little rough early. It's been two
and a half months. Also, he stinks in season openers.
This is a season opener two point zero.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
But I got what I was looking for. Yeah, I mean,
you got the look of a guy that still knows
what the heck he's doing out there. And also, you know,
I just thought, I love reflective Joe Burrow. We don't
get it all that often, like we do sometimes, and
I just feel like his his perspective is always so great,
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and you feel his teammates latch onto whatever that perspective is.
And whether he's sang it through us or saying it
to them behind closed doors or whatever. We don't know
exactly what's being said there, but like you really feel that,
And it was just really cool to hear him talk
about how much this meant to him and teammates, you know,
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going around the locker room after the game, teammates talking
about how much it mattered to them to try to
win because of how much they knew it meant to
Joe and they want to do this for Joe, And
I think that's a true rallying cry that lasts. And
I thought brought out another level when a lot of
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players individually on Thursday night that maybe we hadn't totally
seen yet.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
He made me feel ashamed of myself because when they
lost to the Patriots, my thing was put him on
the shelf. And then when I heard him talk about
wanting to play and it's a kid's game and we
get paid a lot of money, my take was, who
am I to take that away from him?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Right? Like?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Who am I to tell him, don't do this if
you can, especially when the game's dull STU carry meaning
now and talk to me week seventeen if they have
eleven losses Joe hard pass. But I literally was like,
you know, that was my take, But who am I
to tell this dude? Yeah, hey, you worked your ass off,
hold a clipboard?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, And that was sort of my thing the whole time,
was I mean, even early in the week when Burrow
was like, look, I'm never going to be the one
to be like I'm healthy, but I don't think I
should play like I'm too important or whatever, and I
think that was the whole thing was was that is
one who he is and who the Bengals have kind
of tried to build their entire organization around that attitude,
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and that's what they want more people and everyone to
be sort of about. Is if you're healthy, if there's
a way you can go out there and do it
and do whatever you can can help your team win,
you go do it. And that means a lot to people,
and I think it leaves him. He always makes an
impact on his teammates and you hear that from them
whenever you talk to him. But I think it was
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exponentially notable because of everything that he did and how
sort of open and reflective he was about that during
the course of the weekend. On Thursday, all right, we're.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Late twenty four from four o'clock at Oakley Greens. We're
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Speaker 4 (26:28):
Shall we have we done that before? Uh?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, I haven't written down on the list. Well I
have airplane.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
We already did that. We've already kind of done. I
guess we'll have to do Trey Hendrickson. I know you
don't like doing that, you.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Know what I'm gonna talk about Miles Murphy before we
talk about Trey Hendrick.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Let's do it, please.
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could watch here at Oakley Greens. And this is the
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can have a great time, enjoy that the fellowship and
good vibe that always comes with that game.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Just do it here at Oakley Drink fellowship and good vibe.
You're right across.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's usually what I think that it brings out of everybody.
There are two hours a year where I absolutely, no
matter what's going on, will not look at social media.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah, those are the two. Those are the two. I
can't think of it without seeing Kenny Freeze's eye because
I mean, just the craziest sporting event I've ever covered
in my entire life being I will I will be
on my death talking about I was ten feet away
from the fight in UC Xavier and we'll we'll never
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forget seeing it that close and how close, how my
jaw lived on the floor that entire afternoon.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
You want to talk about a cauldron of bad sports takes,
go back and find shows and social media and blogs
from fourteen years ago this December, because that's I I'm
not sure there's ever been a a you know, like
a a an event that generated more just awful takes
than that one.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, there'm I might have spewed a few. I don't
even know, but I probably did too. I was in favor.
I don't know if I still am. Do you want
to cancel the game? No? No, no. I was in
favor of the three site rotation of Xavier Uce Neutral
every three years because I like I like the neutral
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I was one of the few that liked the Neutral site.
I think I like the It has an ncble A
feel about like momentum swings, where you have runs where
one side of the building is like rising in the
other one sitting, and then I felt like it made
the runs feel bigger. That was really cool that I
liked it, And it kind of was a good ncublea
feel on that one. But but without giving away like
when was like, oh, no, we're not going to do
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these on home sites anymore, like the floor was the problem. No,
but I did like the idea that came up of
maybe having a rotation, even though I.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Think you were the one that came up with the
idea of change the name, right, was that.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I was not change the name. Don't you put that
on me? Don't you put that on me?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Is Miles Murphy?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Good might be, I'm not gonna say good. I still
think that.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Turned the corner light bulbs on.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
A switch has been flipped. Look. Had we talked to
Jerry Montgomery Montgomery on the Rewatch Show Charlie and I
yesterday and just talking about sort of the development of
all these young guys. Yeah, but a lot of it
was about Miles. And I was talking about the play
where he chases down Derrick Henry forty yards down the field.
(31:37):
Only three defensive linemen all year have a tackle on
a play that game thirty plus yards. He's one of three.
This is not something that happens, and particularly chasing it
from behind. He said, Yeah, that's true, he said, but
I'd like you to go back two weeks ago and
there was a play where a run by Kenneth Gainwell
and Pittsburgh got out and Miles essentially loafed and didn't
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and you know a lot of company that dead right, absolutely,
But he's like that, that's stuff that was shown and
so to see it go from you got to learn
for you gotta do this to turn into that, which
then turns into three plays later his tip ball that
turns an interception. Like it's those moments where you you
(32:22):
see it happen, you see everything your coaches have been
telling you, you see it start to turn into something
are what drives you to become that player all the time.
And I just think there hadn't because of his lack
of experience, because of his lack of success and and everything.
I don't think he had had those drivers. But you've
seen that now really over the last three weeks as
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he's been playing. He's been playing more before that, but
you've certainly over the last three weeks seen him be
more active, more productive. You're seeing where you see him
every single game, where I don't think you've said that
hardly at all during his career. And it does, I
mean it does take time for guys, especially guys that
are looked at as trades based prospects. I still think
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that what we learned early is that, Okay, he's not
gonna have a first round elite ceiling, but I think
his floor is raising right now.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
And I'll take that well absolutely, And.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I just think it's what it's the does he have
the dog get him righty. He had the fight that
he He looks like a guy that wants it and
cares and it matters to him. And he's playing with
that energy and the heart and passion stuff that you
kind of hope to see more of from him that
you hadn't seen enough of. I think over his time
here and it's it's showing up. He still doesn't finish,
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like he's still struggling to finish. But there was a play,
but he's back there.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
There was a play in that game where I think
he's he's in the backfield trying to take down Lamar
and it looks like he was told to go back
in the position that he was in before the ball
was snapped. I wish I had it in front of you.
It's one of the I was watching it with a
buddy of mine and I'm like, what is Miles Murphy doing? Yeah,
But then I'm like, you know, positive guy, he was
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in the backfield.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
He just chose to go back, chose to go you know,
he got there.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Should we give al Golan the D back in his
last name?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Has he earned it? I'm not there yet, Okay. I
Mean here's the thing. I think that the Bengals were
beneficiaries of some pretty significant breaks, not just one, not
just two. Also, them not giving the ball to Derek
Henry made no sense, right, a lot of things happening
and that I mean, you know the OPI on the
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Ze Flowers touchdown obviously, the fumble that ends up a
touchback in the end zone that should have been Isaiah.
I mean, credit the hustle by Jordan Battle, but still
you know a couple of deep balls that they should
have connected to Tess Walker. Like, there there were a
number of plays, some calls that that could have gone
this other way, and the game feels completely different, it
looks different. We talk about this all the time when
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in games at the Bengals of loss right, it's like, ah,
this call, this play, and they had multiple of those
where you I don't know how anybody didn't feel at halftime, like, man,
they've squandered this opportunity. How are they only up five
considering all the breaks that felt like had gone their way.
I mean, Lamar literally just gives them a ball at
one point, like they're getting turnovers. They maybe you create some,
(35:26):
some of them you don't deserve. Like so I'm I'm
there it's clearly you're clearly seeing a trend in the ring. Clearly,
like no, nobody is. I am not disparaging that at all.
I think you're clearly seeing it start to click for
these guys and them to build some confidence and momentum.
And even Al Golden talked to us yesterday and said,
(35:46):
you know, he's more trusting and comfortable to call more
of the exotic. Not I'm gonna use exotic, but just
just the extra stuff in his game plan that he's
been resistant to do because they'll afraid they're gonna screw
it up. And so the ability to do more blitzes
on second downs on third downs showed up. You see
that when you watch the game. And so I think
just think all of that shows that, yes, the progress
(36:10):
is being made and you're seeing it going in a
different direction. But how high can they get this year?
I'm not going to totally say what happened in Baltimore
suggests that because some of those big moments that could
have gone against them didn't, and and that changed the
whole dynamic of the game that said go to Buffalo, yeah,
and slow down Josh Allen and these guys that just
(36:31):
ran all over Pittsburgh and uh, I think it's a
different story.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Then he gets the D in his name, then I'd
give him the D. You writ your headlines, because the
headlines could be kind of fun.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
If I'm not going to steal your thing.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Buddy, if this is what you're stealing, you are totally
out of ideas. I'm just saying, like, Al gets the
D and then you can write about how Moeger took
his D away. I'll combine two things here because we
don't we don't have a lot of time. Trey Hendrickson,
you wrote about the fact that it's weirdness chapter number
(37:08):
five hundred and six.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Do you think that.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
The team bonding on the airplane took place because Trey
wasn't on it?
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Potentially, potentially maybe they just they just needed that extracted.
I cannot, I cannot say that for certain exactly exactly why.
I mean, it'd be like if you weren't on it,
with the attitude that you clearly have towards you wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Want If we're ever on a plane where we're stuck
for five hours, you should hope I get kicked off. Yeah,
I'm not going to be very pleasant to be around.
You're not gonna want to bond with me.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Would you rather sit like on the tarmac outside the
plane or be on the plane.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I would rather jump out of a moving plane than
sit in either really quick, because we don't have a
lot of time here. And you wrote about the the
the Trey Hendrickson situation. To me, it's just like, you
know what, why not one more set of weird circumstances
for this guy before he leaves?
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, I mean it certainly feels that way. I mean
just feels like it's one of those where whenever Trey
feels like he wants to come back or or can
fight through this or whatever, he will, it's it's a
situation where nobody can nobody knows but Trey. And this
has kind of been when people ask me about this
(38:23):
all the time. What I kind of go back to
is there can be all the circumstances in the world
that tell you that, oh, he could be doing it
because of this, because he's going to be a free
agent and because he doesn't really care or whatever you
want to say is the reason. Or he's doing it
because he doesn't like the Bengals in the way that
they treated him, or whatever. Nobody really knows. But the
(38:47):
way this particular thing, this injury is, it's a it's
about how he views his pain, tolerance, willingness to play
through it, how he wants to, how he feels like
he can handle it. What going out they at less
than one hundred percent is worth to him to the team,
Like nobody really knows, but Trey in terms of what
(39:09):
exactly is happening here at least, it certainly feels that way.
It's it's it's up to him. And so we can
sit here and say what we want. I think there's
a lot of reasons you can look at and say, Man,
go play through something, Go go out there on third downs?
Can you can? You can you give me what said
Johnson's doing right now? You know, give me the sub
package third down off the edge and something and and
(39:32):
give me a you know, a fourth give me a
fourth quarter series? Right? Can you do that? And I
he said to me before the trade deadline, like, I, look,
I not really been through this before. I have a
standard for my play and I want to go out
there and play the level that I feel like I
want to play at. Now maybe that level is higher
because he doesn't feel the loyalty to this team because
(39:54):
of the way things went down, And that's all part
of it too. But nobody really knows.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
But Trey art Monk is the answer to the question.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
When did Boomer through to artmost with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, spend a year with the Jets, end of his
Hall of Fame career. Caught a touchdown pads from Art Monk.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Any question where Art Monk and Anthony Munhos are the answer,
I'm interested in. Well done, mo, We'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
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in addition to going to the playoffs simulator every ten minutes,
Austin Elmore lives on that thing. Yeah, I mean you
should like put a paywall, an extra paywall behind that
for him.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
He'll pay, He'll pay. Oh yeah, all right, I'll just
go ask him for the money next time I see him.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
The Athletic dot Com read Paul's coverage. Catch the Growler podcast,
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