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December 2, 2025 • 11 mins

Shawn Syed's Stats and Scheme Newsletter is terrific. He joined us to discuss the Bengals. And the Ravens too, since they play the Bengals. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Twenty five after five.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
We are a few minutes late for our guys, Sean
sayat Stats and Scheme Newsletter sumersports dot com. And Sean
has pretty much allowed me to lay on his therapist
couch all year long because with the Bengals lost eight
out of nine.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
But now they're good, They're resurgent.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
The door is open, and so Shawn's with us to
hear my optimistic vibes. And it's good to have you.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Sean. How are you?

Speaker 5 (00:52):
Oh, I'm doing great. Look, no one's doing better than me.

Speaker 6 (00:54):
I'm already thinking of all right, how many wins does
it take to get to the playoffs? How many loss
from the Ravens are steel? Is a take for you
to steal the division? I was so juiced on Thanksgiving night.
It was really really fun. You know, my family knows
you're going to talk about the Bengals. You gotta watch
the game. I was optimistic going into that game, but
to come out with that result I think is a
really awesome, awesome place to be right now for the.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Bengals was Thursday night From a Bengals defensive perspective, was
it Bengals defense really good? Or did Baltimore just make
too many mistakes?

Speaker 6 (01:26):
So, I mean, anytime you get that many turnovers, it's
going to be a little bit wonky.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Where how perdistive is that on a week two week.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Basis, I would say, you know, I'm not going to
be expecting them to get five turnovers again.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
But the BENGALSNA did do some good things.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Where they're going to try and heat up Lamar Jackson
a bunch. You're going to sign a bunch of blitzers
where we have talked earlier this year like what the
heck Canal Golden naturally do, and one thing is increase variance.
Though a bunch of blitzers, you're able to get a
bunch of positive plays against the Raymondoffins, who has been
struggling a little bit so far this season. I think
when they blitz through Lamar Jackson was three or four eleven
for only nine yards, an interception and a sack, his

(02:02):
second worst performance against the Blitz in his entire career.
So I would hope that the Bengals continue to do that,
and you're gonna get burned right sometimes, But when you
have been clicking on offense, let's go n roll the
dice and see what happens.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
This might be kind of a stupid question.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
They're playing linebackers who call it what it is, they're
not great in coverage, Carter and Demetrius Knight. This is
maybe a really dumb question. But if you have linebackers
on the field who are not good in coverage, why
don't you send them toward the quarterback every play.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
I don't think it's a stupid question at all, though,
It think it makes sense to think about it like that.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
And you know, when the Bengals were in zone coverage,
so you.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
Have everyone kind of spaced out and you're able to maybe.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Attack just a little bit.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
Lamar Jackson was able to cause a bunch of problems
against the Bengals defense.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Even without them scoring points.

Speaker 6 (02:49):
So you do increase your risk a lot because you're
now asking a lot of your safeties in coverage of
your qurnerbacks in coverage and those are spots that I
think the Bengals maybe they'll love every single piece oft
have on the defense. So you're introducing have a big
variability where maybe you're gonna let up this big play,
so you can I think at this point where you
have a defense that you know, people keep telling me, man,

(03:10):
you have to watch this historically bad defense. It's the
worst defense since X year or Y year. So you're
gonna say, hey, am I going to increase variant with
blitzes with a ton of pressure. Let me try and
get one. They've bangled it a nice job where you're
making it look like you're blissing. Well, I'm actually gonna
drop out of it. I'm gonna try and get the
quarterbacks in the wrong place a little bit. You're able
to get a deflection, you're able to get an interception.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
So there's that approach, or you can say, well, I'm
just going.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
To drop out. All these guys make you kind of
chip away, throw the ball five yards at a time
down the field, and I don't know. I guess I'm
a little bit aggressive by nature in the football world.
So I like the idea of let's go let's go
ahead and attack a little bit there and now, like
you were talking about the Ravens, is all man of
the Ravens like going to be able to figure out
their issues?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:54):
No, And I think that's that's kind of why. You know, Look,
it's it's obvious right there, four and eight. The only
way you're still if you're four and eight is if
the teams in front of you are you know, five
hundred clubs and Baltimore's got issues, Pittsburgh's got issues. Stay
with the Bengals defense with me though, really quick when
you watch everybody else and then you watch DJ Turner
like we see him here and go, okay, you know

(04:15):
that's that's the guy you can move forward with. That's
a guy who's maybe playing at a Pro Bowl caliber
level ton of passes defense? Is is that just you know,
us looking at this through orange and black colored glasses,
and when you compare him to other guys at the
same position, is he really playing at a high level
that we kind of assume here he is?

Speaker 6 (04:34):
I do think he is playing at a high level
where you know, I is he a first team All Pro?
Maybe not, But I do think he's a player that
should absolutely be a strong part of this defense going forward,
and he consistently ranked high in our grades. He is
constantly showing up. He's constantly showing up on screen. You
see it with your eyes. You don't even have to
trust the numbers. Where I do think he can make
plays on the ball. I do think he can help
out the second are and then you can load more

(04:56):
onto just like his plate in terms of how much
space in the field he to cover.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
And now you're able to ask other guys a little
bit less, so you do.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
I consider him the same, like this is a durelle
reebis like we're gonna lock down an entire side of
the fields for the entire season.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Maybe not, but you don't have to be that. In
the modern NFL.

Speaker 6 (05:12):
You can have a really real positive piece there where
now when the coverage aspect of everything is a little
bit better.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Now you're able to see.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
Some of those pass rushers k off a little bit.
So I really enjoyed DJ Turner. I feel like we
last year it was the year of Chase Brown for
me just watching him be like, oh, I think I
really like this player.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
It's the same for DJ Turner this year.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
UH assess the performance of the Bengals offensive line for me,
are they actually like good?

Speaker 6 (05:37):
Well, if you're able to keep Gobra a plan like,
that's where all that matters. I do think Burrow helped
out a little bit in terms of how he can
move in the pocket, like thanks thankfully he still had
that ability.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
I'm sure he is not one hundred percent and he's
got to wear.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
Something weird in issue, and I'm sure it's probably hurting
a little bit the morning after the game. But no, Indeed,
I could say all the Ravens defensive line is actually
is underachieving too. But I'm comfortable where if you start
to string together positive performances where you're able to have
Brow really avoid some of those hyper negative plays, you're
like what you're asked to do in pass production. I

(06:09):
can think it's harder sometimes for Joe Burrow, right, because
you can protect a little bit longer if he's gonna
move around in the pocket. So maybe a guy runs
away from me and you grab Jersey and now you
get a holding where Joe Blaco, he's gonna stand there.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
That ball is out in two point twenty five seconds,
we're moving on.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
So it is a little bit of a tougher job,
But I think you should be happy with Okay.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Like we're moving in the right direction here. After that
performance on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
So they go to Buffalo this week they played the Bills,
and the last three games they've played, we've had three
like different offensive performances. They Josh Allen was unstoppable against
Tampa Bay and then that Houston defense against the Bills
on that Thursday night I think was very eye opening
for a lot of people. I thought against Pittsburgh they

(06:54):
were mostly pedestrians. What can the Bengals borrow from a
defense like the Houston Texans that they could apply to
a Sunday and trying to pull off the upset?

Speaker 6 (07:03):
I mean, if they can borrow Will Anderson at defensive end,
that'd be lovely.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
If that'd be a nice little a nice little move
for them. I think that.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
I mean, Houston is a special, special defense, so it's
so hard to say, hey, what can we kind of borrow?
I will say though, I think that the Bills.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
I think the Bills know this.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
Their receivers are not particularly threatening at this time, like
they just are not.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
And the Bills were against the Steelers they were just
able to spam.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
Hey, we're gonna run it straight at you as often
as we can until you break. So it probably is
a game where you load the box up where you're
attacking downhill. And I do think the Bills but once
when you have a quarterback that can run right once
they break that glass in case of emergency and say
we're gonna like have our quarterback carry the ball five
six times, That to me shows like, Okay, the offense

(07:48):
is saying, hey, like we are we really need to press,
we really need to press. And I think the Bills
are kind of reaching that point. So I feel like, hey,
you can feel confident we turn around the outside.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
I don't think they're gonna be.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
Able to just like I totally shred you and out
the fantas last words here, Like I still think that,
you know, the Bills receivers shouldn't be able to totally.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
Dominate on the outside. Now, what can you get over
the middle? That would be a question.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
So I'm curious because I think something about Josh Allen
that's been a little bit different this year is his
play under pressure has just dropped back just a little bit.
Now you're taking a bunch of sacks in situations where
during those Superman seasons.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
He's just unsackable.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
So if you're able to kind of generate that, you're
able to kind of continue that approach from how you
took it against Lamar.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
You know I'm gonna do left that game with great interests,
is what I'll say.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
All Right, there you go, Sean sayaed Sumer Sports. By
the way, could you go to Sumer Brain and ask
why the Ravens only gave the ball to Derrick Henry
ten times?

Speaker 6 (08:43):
Bro I was looking at it and like all their
rushing numbers were like bright green, like fantastic performance. And
then I'm like, oh, well, what happened here? It's like
an eleven carry foul.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Man.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
It's it's tough, you know, It's it's about that. But hey,
I'm not complaining. I'm so happy that we can talk
about the Bengals win again.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
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Speaker 6 (09:06):
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Speaker 5 (09:15):
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Speaker 6 (09:17):
So you get all the information in terms of how
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the matchup. Looking back at our Thanksgiving news I thought
we did a pretty good job of pointing these are
the exact kind of pressure points in a lot of
these games.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
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Speaker 3 (09:38):
M e er is how you spell Sumer. Sean, you're
the best man. Thanks so much, Thanks so much, Brot.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Looking forward to talking next week.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
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