12/17/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the Battle of Ohio.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
You touchdown pass number five for Joel Burrow.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Joe Burrow and his Big bad Bengals White for their
playoff lives like May line up against the Brownstar in October,
the Orange and Black beat the Brown. Yes, Gongo, you'll
May triumphant victory again and keep their postseason Greens alive.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Up and nail, I am Bam fame when.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
You get the call from Dangerous Dan ord A Mighty
Dave Black. Coverage begins Sunday morning at nine on ESPN
fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'll tell you what. I'm ready now after hearing that,
I am ready now for this massive Battle of Ohio
playoff boats on the line Bangles and Browns on Sunday.
Holy crap, are you kidding me? Sign me the hell up.
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What's up covering the Bengals and they're pushed toward the postseason,
the push for the adles.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
You know what, I love it, hold on to hope.
What else you're doing right? It rights? It beats talking
about I don't know the future of Muma Jong Meta
and and maybe the spandid role of Josh Newton or whatever.
Like I mean, let's let's let's talk at Devin Cochrane.

(02:06):
What a what a performance off the off the practice
squad from Devon. Yes, yes, it beats that. We can
talk about percentage points. Let's go yes, let's go, right,
we can.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
We can go into different playoff predicting models. And do
we need to. I don't know if we need to.
I don't know if we need to, but but we can,
we can. Yeah. Paul covers the Bengals for The Athletic
dot Com and the Growl of podcast latest episode, out
Balls Don't Lie. Yeah, very good? All right? So, uh

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on your podcast this morning, I joined you to talk
about Joe Burrows.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
What are we calling it? Outburst explosion? What what are
we calling venting? Okay, venting session? Joe Burrows venting session. Yes, Okay,
That's what I'm here for.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, And so I want folks to listen to or
watch that conversation because I thought it was at least
the part that I was able to participate it, I
thought it was good. I just want to ask you this,
how big of a deal? Is this minimal? I don't
think it's some huge thing.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
We were talking to dam Pitcher about this yesterday, and
I was kind of specifically asking him because really, nobody
has sat right next to Joe Burrow more in his
professional career than Dan Pitcher and sat next to him
for all those years a quarterback coach, And you said,
how that that attitude, that feeling, you know, that out
kind of of eventing outburst whatever. How rare is that?

(03:40):
And he said, you know what, it happens a lot
more than people think.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
So I said, he's.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Gotten into it multiple times with Joe over the years.
He said, that's just part of it. When you have
somebody who is and he called him pretty much the
most competitive athletes he's ever been around. That when that
is the feeling of the moment, that's the type of
stuff that happens. It happens more than you would think,
or certainly more that gets reported on. But you know what,

(04:05):
when a season's going like this and you've had it's
not like this is the first time we've talked about
what Joe has looked like ord the feelings he's emoting
on the sideline. Certainly after the Vegas game it was
pretty notable, which I thought, this was really more that.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I mean, this has felt like that again, just this.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Time you get actual words that we can, you know,
parse through and try to determine exactly.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
What was said.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
And then it ends up in the direction of the
head coach who is embattled, and you know, a sign
of things that of frustration from people, and so to me,
that's really different.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
But his point was, like, I don't think this is anything.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
It doesn't happen all the time, and it's part of
the relationship with quarterback coach, any player and their position,
coach or head coach or whatever in terms of especially
when you wield the kind of power and care about
the entire team in the.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Process like Burrow does.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
So I don't think it's as big as certainly not
as it's being made out to be or talked about.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
But you know, it's just the latest.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Drop in the bucket of this year, Like it's just
the latest throw them all together at this point. I mean,
whether it's whether it's throwing something on the sideline, whether
it's say the things that we're said about t Higgins
and whatever, whether it's the Vegas game, whether you know,
all of these things that have happened along the way.
You know, it was a long day, the end of

(05:35):
a long week, at the end of a long season,
kind of an even worse year for a dude that
just wants to go win and the team is not
winning and they're doing dumb things like they did all
day on Sunday. And that's frustrating and it makes you
want to say fat right, Like that's just that's the
type of spot that it was. I just think it's

(05:56):
more encapsulation of all of it than it is about
one single moment in time or one person.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah. I mean all year along, Joe has looked like
you ever seen somebody that you want to say to him, like, dude,
you just got you got something to say? Yeah, Joe
just has looked like a guy that has something to say.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
And now he's saying him yeah, And now he's kind
of saying it's like it yeah, I like it too.
This was again we mentioned I mentioned Vegas a couple
of times because it's this is exactly that. This, this
is that, but this is the next level of that,
and you can you would would you prefer the op
would you prefer to not see this stuff?

Speaker 4 (06:30):
No? Right? I mean to me, like, this is this
is what it should look like. One.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
You should be comfortable to vent on the sideline at
the end of a game.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Like that, to a coach, to a player, to whoever.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
I don't care, especially if you're Joe Burrow and and
I want you want that, you want that tone to
be sent. You want everybody to know that you're not happy.
Maybe you weren't, you know, announcing it to the team
there more like he did after the Vegas game.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
In the locker room. But you you aren't.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
It's out there now, So I don't think that there's
any problem with that, And I don't think he was
shy about that with anybody else there on the sideline either,
seeing what they saw.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
So I just this is what it. This is what
it looks like, and it's probably what it should look like.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yes, And I think that that's that kind of gets lost.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Everybody wants.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
I want to fight the trauma right now, see it,
everybody I wish. I think I think they would be
much better off if we had about six videos like
that right now.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
So right I was thinking about it because I'm I
admittedly I said this to you on your podcast. That
game on Sunday was so drunk that there was so
much other stuff that happened that I kind of just
mixed Joe's what are we calling it? Tirade? I went,
I went, I went venting, venting that I I just

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kind of threw Joe's venting into that large collection of
stuff that happened on Sunday, And there's a part of
me that's like, you know, those things do happen during
the course of an NFL game. But the more I
thought about it, like, that's yep, you've seen Moneyball. Billy
Bean goes into the A's clubhouse and everybody's having a

(08:15):
good time, and the Jeremy Giambi, the character in the movie,
is up dancing and the music's playing and Brad Pitt's
playing Billy Bean and he goes in the clubhouse and
he smashes the stereo and he says something like, is
losing fun? You know? Then then then why you guy's

(08:36):
having fun? And at the end of it, he says,
hear that and there's no sound, there's no you know,
everybody's quiet, and he goes, that's what losing sounds like.
That's what losing looks like on Sunday. The guy, the
star who has the most on the line here, the
guy with the high standards getting pissed off at the
circumstances surrounding him. In some way, shape or form. That's

(08:58):
what losing looks like. Yes, that's losing sounds like. That's
what should come with losing because if it didn't, that's
even more problematic.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, and that's also a guy who has never had
to do this before.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
I mean, I think that you know.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
You you you think of Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
He's like, man, he's done everything, He's done it all.
He's never done this.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
He has never you know, he's gotten hurt a couple
of years, so he hasn't had to play out the
string of a season that was over. He has made
it to the championship game in the super Bowl, but
he's he's and he's gone through rehabs and he's won
the Heisman all these things.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
He's never done this.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Where he's dealing with a team where around him is
just a bunch of shenanigans and a bunch of people
who aren't getting it done. And that's not even discussing
the high level that he is playing at and trying
to hold people accountable to. And so you're watching him
live that and adjust to that and figure out what
that feels and looks like in real time. Now, you

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don't you hope this isn't something that certainly organizationally, they
don't want to be going through this again. But I'm
sure that he'll come out of this with some lessons,
whether it's about body language or time and place, or
a need to be more like this or less like
this or whatever he deems, you know, his takeaway of
the result of seeing this stuff and then the reaction

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to this stuff. But it's his first time going through it,
and I think that you know, you're just seeing a
dude live it in real time. And he's not really
hiding much, which is saying something because that's something that
he does normally do. Is Yeah, he's not trying to
put out you know, he's very aware of body language
and everything he says. It's all very calculated, and I
think at this point there's just there's just no reason

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to do that anymore.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Well, when he guides this team to the postseason, Yeah, right,
of course you know that the tone, the visual, the
tenor it'll it'll all change.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
So how close do they have to get for them
to admit they have a chance at the postseason because
still waiting on that.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
I mean, I've never been around a team and out
here been around.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
A lot of seasons where the percentages were at similar
numbers like this.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, there's always the until we're dead. It doesn't feel
that way.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
No, there's almost an admitt There's been an admittance for
weeks of like yeah, I mean no one's out there
saying like, yeah, we got that, we still got a chance, okay,
until until it says zeros, it's chipping a chair and
a prayer and off we go, right, Like that's that's
that is not the way it has felt for weeks.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
It has.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
It has felt like resigned, right that. Yeah, I mean yeah,
I mean a chances.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Are they aware that mathematically they have a chance, they
are aware? Are they aware that those odds will increase
if the Chargers win on Thursday?

Speaker 5 (11:41):
I think they're more aware now, Okay, certainly prior to
this there has and there's really I think they've just
taken on the idea of like, let's just go play,
let's try to play good football, and there's nothing nothing
we can do about the fact that we need fourteen
things to happen.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, I'm not really sure they played good football. Try Titans. No, uh, well,
they do have a chance. They do have it, And
so that was one of my questions, like is because
the game, watching it on television on Sunday felt like
Red's Pirates on like a Tuesday night in September, right,
but you know they they're still you know, they're still there,

(12:16):
still have a chance, And I just I wonder when
when could things turn and my senses at least to
a degree, like you'll be there on Friday if the
Chargers win the game on Thursday. Not that it's likely
because a billion things still have to happen, but conversation
does shift a little bit.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, No, I think that's I think that is clearly
when it becomes real ish, I think they can start
to admit, Okay, it's a little more in their hands now.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Now the next step is.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Beat the Browns on Sunday, beat the Broncos after that,
and you're playing for it, you know, in the final
week of the season, right, you're gonna play yourself into
a chance. It's in your hands to do that. I
think it changes that the conversation, but it has not
been that to this point.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Okay, very good. It's eighteen. I hope they ruined their
own vacation plans, do you Yeah, sure, yeah, it could
be fun story.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
I want them in the playoffs, yes, no, but I
mean yes, yes, yes, yeah, obviously, But I'm just saying,
like I do think.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
I like the idea of the Bills or the Chiefs
being like, I thought we got.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Rid of this exactly right exactly and being like, oh,
trust me, that's the last thing you want to say.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
I am not counting on this happening. I'm not betting
on this happening. I am I am not going to
be like crushed if it doesn't happen. But yeah, Like,
I think it'd be an awesome story if this team
went from not even in the in the Hunt column,
everybody running their obituaries for the season counting them out,
and now here they go into Buffalo or Kansas City

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with Joe Burrow and oh boy, now what might happen? Yeah,
that would be awesome.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Remember the year they went to in twenty fourteen and
they went to Indianapolis and yeah, like and Kobe Hamilton
had to play a bunch of receiver. I feel like
it's gonna feel a lot like that right where you're
in the fact that who's gonna be out there? Right
I mean you're you're defensively, they're you know, they're gonna
be that the point that they're at right now in
terms of health and everything else.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
The Hawking secondary we saw against will lewd against that
if you throw it right to them, they'll catch it.
Don't forget it.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
But you know, even on the offensive line, I mean,
they are the pieces that we're watching getting put together
at this point.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
I mean, I'm sure that there's always you know, but there's.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
There's just imagine being like sitting here before a playoff game,
being like, if Devin cochrane can just hold up, you know,
and and being like, I think it could. I think
they can hold you know. That's that's probably more the
likely with the conversations because twenty minutes.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
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will now be on Saturday, four to thirty kickoff. I
like the four thirty.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Love the four thirty Saturday for you know, I mean,
I'm on the record Sunday at one personally sure, just
strictly personally for me, yea, getting home, having dinner at.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
The house, all that.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
But from a like pay course stadium perspective, it'd be
fun the four to thirty start. I always always felt
like those have felt good because it gets dark towards
the end. You kind of get a little bit of both.
You can you're still like day drinking, which you can do,
and still you know, you sleep in enough. I feel like,
from a Cincinnati perspective, love the four thirty.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Kis. Now here's the thing about this game. Yeah, in
their quest to make the postseason. Yeah, so the Bengals
need the loser of Thursday's game to go winless, right,
So if the Broncos lose, they need them to lose
their last two, including obviously the game head to head
with Cincinnati. If the Chargers lose, the Bengals need them

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to lose their last two. The Chargers play right before
the Bengals four to thirty game, so the ultimate air
out of the balloon could be if the Chargers beat
the Patriots and then at four thirty on Sunday, business
decisions have to be made. Yeah, oh, business decisions? You
love that? No? Not really?

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Yeah, well, I will say the moment the Chargers Denver
result goes the wrong way, if Denver wins that game
on Thursday, you don't.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Need to walk? Are you?

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Is anyone here banking on the Patriots and the Raiders
in back to back weeks being able to pull off
a way?

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Well, Pike and I did say on our show yesterday
that if if if the Broncos win, we can call it. Yes, yes,
it's like election, that's election night. Where we've reached Yeah,
we've reached this point. Yeah, enough precincts of reporting.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yep, Yeah, we've reached that point where okay, we an
elimination game is officially upon us, right, and they've kind
of there's been versions of that, but this is one
result that basically is an elimination game on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
If not opens the door. Has Sam Hubbard taken his
last nap as a Bengal?

Speaker 5 (17:51):
It's a great question, uh, on this contract. Absolutely, I
don't think that's a stretch to say, like the money
taking him taking everything else out of it, which is
significant him, his contribution, his relationships on the team, what
he means to everybody there. Taking even taking all that
out of it, there's no it's gonna be a hard justification.

(18:14):
They've you know, similar to Joe Mixon when he.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Took his pay cut.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
If if there is a future for Sam Hubbard here,
it would have to be a rethinking of what that
looks like, and it would probably be some form of
a pay cut.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Now, can he play tight end better than Cam Grandy? Probably?

Speaker 5 (18:30):
At at least Sam Hubbard hasn't jumped off sides fall started,
So you have that going for you. I like his hands,
I mean at this point, so but I will say,
I mean I think that that feels like, that feels
like Probably where the discussion is going to end up

(18:52):
is what does Sam want to do? How much do
the Bengals view the idea of his presence being meaningful,
which and don't snicker at that, Let's rethink. Let's rehab
the DJ reader conversation. Okay, a dude whose presence would
have been just as meaningful off the field as what
would have been on the field this year for a
defense that lost its soul this year.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
I drive the T. Higgins conversation in that same direction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
But I think there's a lot of value still left
to Sam Hubbard. Now it's not gonna be in the
role that he's played in his career here, but it
doesn't have to be that and that and that also
is gonna come down to health wise, like how does
he feel physically? Does he want to go forward with?

Speaker 4 (19:37):
That?

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Is it is this two sour of an ending. Although
I can't think of a better play if you were gonna.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Take a last play to do, but would it be
like I'm not going out like that. I can rehab.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
I can get back to a level and feel fully
healthy that can contribute to a team. Maybe I'm not
gonna be playing eighty percent of the snaps or even
fifty or whatever. Maybe I'm still helping young guys. I'm
in a rotational role and I'm a run stopping edge
or whatever, and the Bengals feel like that's something they
could use, including his presence, there's a match there. I
think there's certainly a middle ground there if all sides

(20:13):
feel like that's worth their time and worthwhile I don't.
Sam is unique because of how beloved he is in
the city and him being a Cincinnati guy, everything he's
done and is doing with his foundation here. You know,
he's a guy who has a lot of the rest
of my life value to being in Cincinnati and having

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only played in one place in his career and being
the Cincinnati kid. That can help him certainly as a
jumping off point to whatever he wants to do in
his post football career, which is probably gonna be significant
if you look what he's already done off the field
and his current football career. So I think there's value.
There's less value to him doing what a lot of
guys do, which is go jump and you play one

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or two years and you know what are you gonna
Sam Hubbard with like playing a year for the Hawks
and a rotation like.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Like guys do that, absolutely, But I think for somebody
who's specifically positioned the way he is, it doesn't make
as much sense, but if he wants to play football,
maybe that's a decision he has to make.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
To my sneaky favorite moment of the season. Okay, Sam
scores the touchdown, which is cool, right, and at least
on television, you're watching him spike the ball, flexes and
then you sort of see looking like a bat boy,
Joe Burrow going over and retrieving the football for him.

(21:34):
And because I have a spot in my heart for hokiness,
I just thought that was cool. Yeah. Yeah, we did
the same thing with Andrea he did. I don't know
how many I don't know how many quarterbacks would have
had the awareness to go do that. Maybe with a
defensive guy where it's like, all right, he's he's never
had a chance to get one on offense and they're

(21:54):
they're very tight. But I just I said out loud,
like I think that's cool. Yeah, it is cool.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Well, I you wouldn't think if that happened in the
spur of a moment and a weird thing. You know,
they were planning, they everybody knew this play was on deck,
like they Sam's out there on Friday running routes, catching
balls from Joe and from Jake Browning and practicing the
play and making sure he's gonna do it just right,
and so everybody knew exactly what it was gonna be.

(22:21):
And so when you know that, and I mean Sam's
out here practicing his spike flex combo during the week,
Joe's like, Okay, I'll be the one to go get
the ball for you. We'll make sure we get the
ball for you. When if you're gonna do that, I
feel like it's in the back of your mind.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
But the fact that he thinks.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
That way and understands the value of it does speak,
you know, a lot to Joe and his and it
is cool. But I like, I loved burrows reaction specifically
when talking about that play, like, oh, whether maybe other
options you could have considered there or whatever. Throwing the balls,
he tells you they were gonna go ford On, they

(22:57):
were gonna go four and fourth. I'm throwing it to
my boy. I don't care how covered it looks like
it is. I'm giving him the chance to go get
the touchdown pass. And the fact that he was able
to come down with it, uh, just just really cool
and on everyone could Sam come back for the playoffs?
I mean the fact that there the IR and the
unlikely the lack of IR and using the term unlikely

(23:22):
happened yesterday would suggest that that's possible. So he could
maybe take the Grandy role at that point, all right, Yeah,
so he would be active for like the Super Bowl, yeah, Huson, Yeah,
Aiden Hutchinson, Sam Hubbard both both. I don't know what
the possibility are when the Bengals are playing, right, of course,

(23:45):
of course, because this is the part of this is
the part of this. Okay, that's like, couldn't you just
see everything fall their way? Yes, and then lose to
the Steelers right or to the Broncos either way.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah, but I gotta see this.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
I'm still waiting on this team to beat somebody good
this year.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
By the way, Well, it's not gonna have it on Sunday.
We know that, That's what I'm saying, but we still
haven't seen that yet.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
It's like, and they haven't lately been playing that great
against these not so great teams. So you tell me
what part of the eye test convinces you that they'll
even be able to beat Denver and Pittsburgh?

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Can they sure? Because they'll play the games and they
have nine and one in whatever.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
But I'm still waiting to look like a team that
that could pull that they could pull off beating Denver
and Pittsburgh. Like, that's the part of the math that's
not ending up in these percentages.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Which one do you subscribe to? What if to just
whichever one's highest one?

Speaker 6 (24:41):
What?

Speaker 4 (24:41):
So I've memorized them. Okay, so I think you guys
had it at four. Okay, New York Times Athletic four percent.
NFL dot com had them at six. D v O
A two point one playoff status dot com.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Two Yeah, DVOA taking the Bengals head team more into account, yes, yeah, right,
the way that they're playing, in the levels that they're
playing at A yeah. So I again, that's the part
that I feel like does get a little bit lost,
is they still got to prove they can do that. Sure,
but what you keep We'll see what the numbers are

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after Thursday.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, I can't wait. It's twenty three away from four o'clock.
We are way late. He's Paul Danner, Ginioromoegger. We're a
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Would like to keep going?

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Speaker 4 (25:34):
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(26:05):
game live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Pre game coverage starts
at nine oh five. According to a number of broadcast reports,
the Reds are either kicking the tires, interested in, showing interest,
in asking about, or in on any number of potential
free agents. College basketball Dayton's playing U and l V
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(26:26):
That was a very specific Baseball Report. Every time I
look at social media, I read about how a player
signed somewhere. Well, the Reds kick the tires on. Yeah,
the Reds asked about they're into free agents the way
I was in the girls in high school. Like a
lot of them. I'm interested in none of them. My
date right, same thing. Sorry, these wings smell really good.

(26:49):
You should have one. Yeah, I'm really good. Are you
a hot Are you like a hot wings guy? Uh? Yeah,
you are? I am.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
I'm not that would make we can do like a
hot Ones type show these days where you just kind
of make me feel very uncomfortable having to eat a
bunch of hot wings and just see what comes out
of my mouth.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
That's just the garlic parmesan.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, I like this is this is I'm good with this.
It's not too hot. That's pretty mild.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
I like the garlic. You don't want to do super
hot while you're trying to execute a three hour talk show,
but I like to see it one of these times.
Those are really good. I feel bad for Brian Callahan.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
It to sit there and watch both sides play out right,
where it's like, Okay, this is the quarterback I used
to be in charge of he does these things with
this guy, and now I get this guy who just
keeps throwing it to the other team and seems to
have no discernible clue.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
What's going to the point where you're like, I think
Mason Rudolph's a better option. That's got to be a
low place.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
But at least, you know what though, at least he
gets a pretty clear decision. There's no there's no gray
area where any one in the organizations like, I don't.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Know, should we maybe maybe try to develop its crystal clear?

Speaker 5 (28:07):
And now you know, you got to go get a
quarterback in the draft or free agency or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
And and that's, uh, that's a good thing. You wrote
last week about Chase Brown, Yeah, which was really good,
And then he had another game where he had a
positive impact, including catching the pass on the the nine
second Joe Burrow scramble, which was awesome. Chase Brown is
a better football player than Joe Mixon. Discuss haven't we already?
I think with they had it right with him right now.

(28:35):
I wish Zach Moss would have been better when he played,
and I wish he was healthy, But Joe Mixon's having
an alright ear both players are averaging four point eight
yards of touch. Chase and Joe, they got it right.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Well, I will say this, Chase Brown is a better
player for the Bengals than Joe Mixon and that's clear. Yes,
they're different styles. You know, Chase Brown style fits a
team that wants to throw the ball more than anybody
in football. Specifically the way he developed himself this offseason
into a better receiver, that's apparent. The fact that Luke

(29:10):
Gifford's wearing number fifty seven, had to try to chase
him around for nine seconds is the perfect example of that.
You're forcing these linebackers to have to chase Chase Brown.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Sorry about that, but you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
You're forcing them to do these things. That is why
they made this move. That is the reason, because that's
the type of team that they want to be.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
They want to be able to.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Get teams into that matchup consistently. And you've noticed they've
done that in tons of big spots. Now as they've
continued to get comfortable with Chase Brown, and not just
they're just anywhere they can get him. He's out here
on the outside running slants. They threw the go to
him the other day on.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Fourth and three.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
They're just trying to get Chase Brown isolated on a
linebacker that's their go to, even with everybody else healthy,
And you think about that and how they've come in
that regard. That's just a much better fit than somebody
who's gonna be you know, more of a pounding need
to be in there and has to get twenty twenty
five carries, and that's where they make their money and

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make their impact, like Mix, and that's no discounting Mix,
and you've seen what he can do still in Houston.
It's just a different style of ball that makes more sense,
and you're seeing that just come to fruition.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
And then some for them.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
I don't think even if you gave him truths here
him even they couldn't have seen Chase Brown developing the
way that he has to become this central of a
figure because the unknowns were one before entering the season.
The unknown was his receiving ability, but it certainly was
his ability to help in pass pro and to show
a lot of awareness there and he's been really good
at that and that's why he wasn't playing more over

(30:47):
Zach Moss in the first place was because it wasn't
that they didn't think he could do it, He just
hadn't really done it. So why take that chance when
you had everything else going on? Now You're like, man,
you wish they would have gone to Chase Brown earlier.
How many more wins would that have given him?

Speaker 4 (31:00):
No question, he seems like a guy who never screws up.
Not that every play is a positive, but but you
know what I mean, Like it just it seems like
he seems like a guy who always knows what his
assignment is, who is supposed to block, what his route
is supposed to be, where the running play is supposed
to go. Like I've watched this for long enough, I
think you could identify those guys. He's obviously got great

(31:23):
athletic ability, but he just he seems like a really
smart player. Yes, well, he played a lot of football.
I mean the amount of we you know, I.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Felt it was almost a detraction on his scouting report
when he came out because of the sheer volume of
carries that he had. But he played a ton of football,
just situational football, understanding the game, learning from stuff that's
gone on. That shows And I mean I remember scouts
talking to me but before the Bengals even took them
and being like this, talking about him and his and

(31:54):
his brother Sidney who ended up in Philadelphia, being like this,
these guys like these are really solid people, like they
are reliable, they are consistent. They're the type of people
you want to build around from personality, perspective, culture stuff.
And I think that shows through. I mean that has
shown since the moment Chase. I mean, take just take

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what I mentioned before, what he did this offseason. I mean,
I Drew Lieberman, the wide receiver coach I wrote a
story about with him and Andre down there, say he's
never seen anything like it, Like the dedication that him
and Andre both had to that is what made the
difference in them both making the strides that they did.
Where they were he was in Vegas doing stuff for

(32:35):
some other client, and they said, all.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Right, well we'll fly to Vegas. They can just go
work out.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
They didn't go to the strip. They just wanted to
get their workouts in with him. So they went there
and they did their work there. They were never gonna
miss They spent all the time there. And it pays
on when you get people that it matters too, Like
that and have that next level you can get results
in production and the type of personality that you're talking
about there where you just feel like never messes up.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
So that little soliloquy about Chase Brown keeps us from
having to talk about how I would rather pour wing
sauce into my eyeballs than watch the two starting guards anymore.
You might not have to, Hey, would you? So your team?
Are you team stupor I'm team anybody? Okay, okay, I'm
team put a refrigerator there? Whatever? Are you team Matt

(33:19):
Lee to center? No, I had Carris to guards. I'm
team feeling bad for Ted Carris who has to look
to one side and go, okay, I gotta help him,
And then wait a minute, I might have to go
help him, like what are we doing?

Speaker 5 (33:30):
But hey, but then you wouldn't be able to see
as much of the Joe Burrow magic as you get
to see, because when you have one quick turnstile that
happens all of a sudden, you get to see all
the cool moves he makes before it throws.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Thus and then when I see him get carted off,
that'll be a lot of fun too, all right, Read
Paul Tanner Junior's work in the Athletic dot Com. Catch
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(34:00):
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Speaker 1 (34:10):
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Speaker 4 (34:20):
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announced today the NFL is going to be on Saturday,
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(35:46):
So there you go, in about an hour we're going
to talk with John Cunningham, the director of athletics at
the University of Cincinnati, and the main reason I wanted
to get John on was yesterday's official announcement about the
football game being moved to Kansas City. I think you
and I know why the game is being moved to
Kansas City, and I think most of us might not

(36:08):
love it, but at least get it, and like, you
don't have to like everything in life, but there's a
lot of things in life you don't like, but that
you do get, that you do understand. In an ideal world,
you see would play road games and the home games
would all be at Nippert Stadium, and they would be
able to get a who's who of college football programs

(36:30):
to come play at Nippert Stadium in the non conference
portion of the schedule, and finances and loading the coffers
would not be much of a consideration. We don't live
in that world. College football and college sports are changing
at a breakneck pace. We've already seen the impact of
those changes. You may not like some, you may not

(36:51):
like all of them, you may love all of them,
but the reality is college sports have changed, and I
think mostly for the better. The players are getting paid,
which is awesome, and now there's gonna be revenue sharing,
which there always should have been. Well, in order to
have revenue sharing, you need revenue. And so, like somebody

(37:12):
said to me yesterday, well I thought entering the Big Twelve,
we weren't gonna have to do stuff like this. Not
every Big Twelve program is the same. Like Vanderbilt's in
the SEC, so is Georgia, so is Alabama. They're not equals.
I know Vanderbilt beat Alabama this year. They're not equals.
DePaul and Yukon are both in the Big East. DePaul

(37:35):
is not like Yukon. It's just how it is. And
so if you can get a big check for a
large amount written to you, that could help you do
things like share revenue and accomplish other things. I think
there are times where you have to say yes, and
this is one of those times. By the way, you know,

(37:58):
folks are gonna have fun with the fact, Well, it's
it's a UC home game being played in Kansas City.
It's a neutral site game where someone has to be
considered the home team. There are neutral site games in
college football early in the season all the time. One
team is considered the home team. You see played a
game in twenty twelve against Virginia Tech. At was that

(38:20):
in Landover, Maryland. It's where the Commanders play. Monty Lego
had a great game that was one of my all
time favorite road trips. It was a UC home game.
We all lived. So is an ideal No, not in
an ideal world. We don't live in an ideal world.
We live in a world where, especially if you are
running an athletic department like you see, you've got to

(38:42):
prioritize the dollar in a day and age where everybody's
prioritizing the dollar in college sports, you see should not
be an exception, and they're not going to be the
Joe Burrow thing on Sunday. I will admit to you,
and I said this to Paul Danner Junior last hour.
That game on Sunday was crazy and so like, there

(39:03):
was a lot of stuff to watch, and there was
a lot of stuff that happened in that game, and
there was a lot of stuff to discuss. I will
be honest with you, that Joe Burrows confrontation or outburst
or however you want to call it, was Zach Taylor
wasn't really at the top of my list of things
that stood out on Sunday. That doesn't mean it was insignificant.

(39:26):
I just there was a lot in that game. It
was kind of a crazy game. But I've watched it.
I've watched the John boy lip reading rendering of that
last night, and I don't think it was totally insignificant
by any stretch. Here's what I saw. I saw a
quarterback who has really high standards. High standards for himself,

(39:49):
high standards for his teammates, high standards for who he
surrounds himself with, high standards for his own preparation, high
standards for the people that he works for. People with
high standards typically don't have much time, energy, or patience
for people who don't have high standards. Take a look

(40:11):
at where you work. The biggest achievers, the biggest earners,
the people with the highest standards. I bet you they
don't pal around that much with the office goofball. People
with high standards value others that have high standards and
don't have time, energy, or patience for people who don't
have similar standards. What I saw was a quarterback who's

(40:33):
played at a championship level, he's been the number one
overall pick in the draft. He is a franchise guy
that has hundreds of millions dollars of dollars invested in him,
who is considered to be among the very best of
his craft, who is judged by winning and losing. And
I see him looking around at I got a guy

(40:53):
here that doesn't know how to get lined up. We're
taking delay of game penalties. I've got dudes on offense
who don't know the rules. I'm looking around here and
I see guys who cannot or will not match my
high standard. And if that's the case, at some point,
there's gonna be a blow up. There was a minor
blow up on Sunday. By the way, I love the

(41:17):
Cincinnati Bengals being solely identified with a guy who has
really high standards. That's healthy for this franchise, that's healthy
for sports in this city. Look, man, we hear it
all the time in Cincinnati sports. While we settle for
a competitiveness and we settle for substandard. I don't know
how much from a fan perspective, I buy that, but

(41:41):
I do know I hear it often, and I do
know I've often wondered are the people who run the
teams in town really interested in being the best in
the world at what they do. You know what, Joe
Burrow is interested in being the absolute best in the
world at what he does. And so sign me up
for the guy with high standards who's not gonna accept
teammates who don't live up to that standard, or even
a coach who doesn't live up to that standard. And

(42:02):
by the way, people have high standards are typically pretty vocal.
So that's what I saw on Sunday. I saw a
guy who's just I'm done here, man, I hold myself
up here. And I got a guy that I'm playing
with that can't get lined up, that's committing false starts,
we're taking delay of game penalties. We don't know what
the rule is when we draw a guy and the

(42:22):
other team off side. Those are really low standards. If
you can't meet it, I ain't playing with you. And
if you can't meet it, I want the coach to
get rid of you or the front office to get
rid of you. I loved it. I loved it, and
the more I think about it, the more I thought
that was needed and we need more of it. We
need a guy who says, Look, man, I hold myself

(42:43):
to a high standard. It's time to hold everybody else
to the same. People with high standards. I'm telling you,
do not care for the office goof off, the guy
who comes late, the person who doesn't turn in his work,
the dude who skates by. That ain't how it works.
Joe Burrow holds himself and his teammates to a high standard.

(43:04):
That played itself out on Sunday. I want more of
it until he is playing with more guys who hold
themselves to the same standard or can play to Joe's
level him. I want him blowing up, blowing up all
the time, all the time. Sign me up for it.
It was healthy for this team, it was healthy for
sports in this city. It's also a quarterback using his sway.

(43:28):
Joe has done that a lot of it. Last week
uses his sway by talking about keeping t Higgins. Whether
or not it happens, I don't know. We've debated the
pros and cons. That's not something a quarterback in his
first season does. That's not something that a quarterback who
hasn't accomplished anything does. That's not a quarterback who doesn't

(43:49):
understand his place on the team and the league. That's
not something they do. I'm glad Joe Burrow did it.
We need more people playing to and living to Joe
Burrows standard. They live up to Joe Burrow standard. Here
a Buffalo wild Wings quarter after four ESPN fifteen thirty.
By the way, our phone lines are open five one, three, seven, four, nine,

(44:10):
fifteen thirty. Who's the dude that sent the talk back
to Tony and Austin? Who? And I get the question
all the time you see in Dayton play on Friday.
I am a fan of both. I am a very
proud University of Dayton graduate. I am more of a
UC fan and have been my entire life. And so
Tony and Austin took a talkback from a guy who

(44:31):
wanted to talk about this. Why would you reach out
to that show when you have a question about somebody
who's on the other so we could talk about it.
I answer this question from a guy Scott in Dayton
last it was last week or the week before? Who
am I going to be rooting for? I love my
alma mater, Love my alma mater. I went to the
University of Dayton because you see, didn't have much of

(44:53):
an electronic media department in the mid nineties. Now, the
one they have now is really good. I also wanted
to go away, and had I gone to UC, I
was gonna live like ten minutes away. I don't want
to live ten minutes away. I wanted to live about
an hour away. So what to UD, and I loved it.
UD basketball was not good while I was there. I
fell in love with UC basketball when I was in
the seventh grade on a November night in nineteen ninety

(45:14):
when UC lost to Kentucky and UH for whatever reason.
Despite going to the University of Dayton, that stranglehold has
never been loosened. And so if that makes me a
bad graduate, it makes me a bad graduate. They can't
get my to plumba back and they're probably not going
to give me all the money I paid intuition back.
So there we are. Five point three seven four nine

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fifteen thirty is our phone numbers show. Preview video, which
I shot an hour and a half ago, is on
x at Moegar. Speaking of UD, and UC Flyers played tonight.
Cincinnati doesn't play until that game on Friday. The guy
who has put this game together is going to join
us next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Station Cincinnati Football Illinati brought to you in part by
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ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
The Football in the Nattie is I'll give you as
the Browns are Gonna start Drian Thompson Robinson on Sunday
when the Bengals take on the Browns live on ESPN
fifteen thirty. Friday Night is gonna be awesome. Cincinnati and
Dayton played last year Heritage Bank Center and great like
I love both programs, cool to see him both on

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the floor together, but this year we couldn't ask for
a better set of circumstances for a game like this.
Dayton is ranked in the top twenty five after their
comeback win over Marquette on Saturday. The Flyers played great
and Maui easily could have won that event. Nonetheless, Anthony
Grant has a good team this year and Wes Miller
gets the monkey off his back and the Bearcats remain

(46:48):
in the top twenty five after beating Xavier in the
Skyline Chile Crosstown Shootouts. So Friday Night Cincinnati versus Dayton,
the rematch if you will. I wish these programs played
every single year. This is put on by BDG Sports.
Brooks Downing from BDG is with us. It's good to
have you, Brooks. Good afternoon. How are you doing great?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Man?

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Doing great?

Speaker 8 (47:08):
Like you said, the Stars have all the lines for
a top twenty five matchup that we're just so excited.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
I've got to think, especially after Saturday the Bearcats win
and then a few hours later the Flyers win, I've
got to think you guys have reaped the benefit, so
to speak, in the immediate aftermath. We really have.

Speaker 8 (47:26):
I mean, you're seeing the ticket sales jump.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
We had sold a.

Speaker 8 (47:29):
Ton, probably three quarters of the arena, obviously Heritage Bank
Center eight thirty pm Friday night, and yet there's still
some good seats, even some in the lower arena available,
plenty of affordable seats up top as well. But we're
gonna be close to a sellout by the time we
tip off on Friday. It's been a lot of interest.
As you said, they hadn't played in eighteen years when

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we matched them back up last year.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Great game.

Speaker 8 (47:53):
The atmosphere mo in that building is unlike most anyone
will be a part of all season long because we.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Split the house, so half, you.

Speaker 8 (48:02):
Know, half is Dayton fans with their bench, the other
half is the Cincinnati fans with their bench, both bands,
both cheerleading teams. It's just probably the most exciting college
basketball atmosphere in the sport this year.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
So it's obviously a neutral site game. How does something
like this come about, Well, we get to talking to
both teams.

Speaker 8 (48:24):
We're looking for teams today are looking for opportunities to
play good games that are affordable, that are close by.
That you're not traveling to the Mauley Invitational like Dayton did.
Almost ups at the entire field. Should have won it,
as you said right there at the doorstep, but those
are expensive trips. Now you've got a team that's forty

(48:46):
five minutes away, I mean in the hottest, you know,
the hot bed of college basketball in the country here
in this part of the part of the US, the
Ohio Valley. I mean, you've got all the great teams
around here. These two should be playing every year. So
we saw a great game last year, this one shaping
up to be even better. We hope it continues. So
we had a two year deal. Both ads were on board.

(49:06):
Both coaches were on board. We'll take another look at
it after this week's game and see if we can't
keep the momentum.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Yeah, you kind of read my mind because it'd be
fun to have Cincinnati and Dayton continue this is there
is there a world where you could get other area
schools involved and make it a multi game event.

Speaker 8 (49:24):
No, you're right on top of it where we may
not make it a multi key tournament, but it could
be a multi team event. And we're having some conversations
with our friends at Xavier, with our friends at Ohio State,
with our friends at Louisville, some other programs, So we'll
see where it kind of shakes down and funnels down
to going forward. But hopefully you know what's been neat

(49:47):
is I used to run games for Kentucky back in
the day at Heritage Bank.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Center when they were you know, C. M.

Speaker 8 (49:53):
Newton was the athletics director and he was using leverage
against Rupp Aerna to get a better deal down in Lexington,
and so we would we would take one game of
a year for Kentucky to go up and play and
and and it was always always an exciting time in
that building. And for a while that building never went
through the upgrades and there was a lot of like,
you know, head scratching, why take it there? Well, Kristen

(50:15):
Ropp and her group there at the arena really put
some upgrade, put some investment into the into the property.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
It's really looking nice.

Speaker 8 (50:22):
We got new courts, new goals, all new seating. It
was a great experience, great environment, and I think it's
a great spot for college basketball to really set up
a tent pole and have a place to play every year.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
So so you were there when Dayton be Kentucky twenty
four years ago.

Speaker 8 (50:39):
That that kind of ended that series, I believe of
Kentucky go up North. I remember it was good when
it was good, when the Cats were beating Texas Tech
and bia Ohio. But Dyon would well, we got the
better deal at rough that we needed.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
I remember being at that game with my dad. It
was a hardcore UK fan. I go, I'm not really
sure you guys are going to be back for a while,
but that's okay. So Friday night, the game is gonna
tip off at eight thirty in the in the nil
world that we're in now, how do games like this work?

Speaker 6 (51:13):
Well?

Speaker 8 (51:14):
Name, image and likeness is a delicate subject still today
because NCAA rules require us not to do any direct
proceeds from the event to either program as it relates
to their performance. It can't be a pay for play model,
so you have to be very careful. Both schools are
doing some some different work for us in the community.

(51:37):
We have Connor Kids Academy, that's our beneficiary. They'll be
participating with them. They're doing some outreach, some other programming
if you will, in and around this season and this
game that they'll earn some dollars through. So it becomes
kind of a platform, if you will, or we can,
they can reap the benefits of name, image and likeness

(51:58):
without without adhering to the rules. I guess that are
still in existence today, and of course you know a
lot of that's it's been a moving target over these
last couple of years as it continues to evolve, But
we try to do our best to stay compliant with
the schools.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
We've been able to achieve that. Yeah, it was funny
to use the verbiage that the rules as they exist
today might be different next week, so who knows. Eight
thirty on Friday night. Officially, it's the simple truth Hoops
Classic presented by a care source Friday night at the
Heritage Bank Center, Cincinnati, taking on date and this is
going to be a blast. What is the what's the
best way for folks to get tickets?

Speaker 8 (52:36):
Ticketmaster, ticketmaster dot com, log on your app. They're still available,
easy to get. I'll tell you what I think. We've
got it sits up for about fifteen thousand, nine hundred
and we're we've got over twelve thousand tickets out distributed
right now, so that what's cool is it was about
ten thousand as of this time last week. So to

(52:57):
your point, yeah, I think the excitement both wins over
the weekend. We're huge for both programs and really teases
up to be a game not to mess.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
If a fan of either school wants to sit in
the specifically designated section, is there something they need to
do or say specifically?

Speaker 8 (53:17):
Yeah, you'll see it on the Ticketmaster app where you
can log on and it'll it'll kind of direct you
to one end zone or the other as you get
prepared to buy your ticket.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Very good, nice and easy. It'll be a blast on Friday.
Two programs I care deeply about. Atmosphere should be awesome.
And the game this season should be even better than
last year. Brooks, awesome stuff, man, thank you so much. Hey,
thanks for having me on MOE anytime. Cincinnati and Date.
I think it's cool they're playing again atmosphere. Last year,

(53:50):
I felt like it was about sixty five thirty five
or seventy thirty in favor of Date, and Flyers won
the game. Deron Holmes was really good. It's a Flyers
play tonight at home against UNLV. But if if they
can take care of business tonight, both these teams coming
off big wins at home now playing against each other
Friday night should be a blast. Twenty nine minutes after

(54:12):
four o'clock, and the visual of the Dayton fans and
then the Cincinnati fans in separate sections was very very cool. Uh.
I'm told we got folks waiting on hold five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty, Phil, Mike, Rob jt Uh and others. I
guess we'll get to you folks when we come back,
you folks, I said. Plus, we'll hear from Wes Miller,

(54:35):
We'll hear from Sean Miller. I have a poll question
that I have to throw out there about the Reds
and more on the Bengals as well. Plus John Cunningham
is going to join us, so is our guy Sean
Sayad from the Stats and Scheme podcast. We are at
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(56:11):
Good afternoon. How are you?

Speaker 9 (56:13):
I'm doing good? Nohow are you now?

Speaker 4 (56:16):
I am awesome? What's up?

Speaker 9 (56:19):
If you have any doubts about who the leader of
the franchise was for the Cincinnati Professional Football team, those
were laid the rest Sunday. No captain, my captain. I'm
here for Like Zach were flapping six and eight, brother,
check yourself. And I love that because there's a couple
of messages in there. It's like, Zach is not good enough.

(56:39):
You've got three games to fix it, Katie Brown, it's
not good enough, You've got an off season to fix it.
And basically he's saying it's like, listen, I'm not gonna
pull a Carson Palmer demand to be created, but I'm
going to complain, line, moan and belly until you get
a team around me that can get done. But I
need to get done because only one person in that

(57:01):
organization has a championship. Two of them. Next Marchase, next,
Joe Burrow. They know what it takes, nobody else does,
and I am here for it.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
I'm here for Thank you Jay, thank you Phil. I
don't even call it belly aching. It's to me, it's
nobody there should be comfortable. If Joe Burrow made everybody
feel uncom if he did, if you made everybody feel uncomfortable,
or if he has, I mean, look, let's face it,
they beat the Raiders. Joe was audibly and visibly not happy.
His body language this year has not been of a

(57:34):
quarterback who's enjoying himself. Uh you know he's He's talked
openly about t Higgins. I think it's okay for someone
to make everybody else uncomfortable. Look the Bengals, for whatever
amount of success you want to celebrate them for, or
uh shortcomings you want to blame them for, they have

(57:56):
often felt like a franchise kind of defined by comfort.
The coaches are comfortable, some players are comfortable. Is kind
of cool. You got a quarterback who's like, dude, I'm
gonna do what I can and make everybody uncomfortable and
until everybody's at my level, which is a really high level.
Like Joe can't do that. If he's having a pedestrian season,

(58:17):
he can't do that. If he's Jameis Winston or Deshaun Watson,
he can't do that. If he's a middle of the
road quarterback, he can't do that, if he's Andy Dalton.
But he's one of the very best at his position.
He is the most important figure who gets a paycheck
from the Bengals. Awesome, make everybody uncomfortable. That might be

(58:41):
badly needed with this franchise, and I'm here for it
and I want as much of it as possible. I
said this to Danner last hour. Man like, there's what
losing sounds like. There's what losing looks like. That's what
losing should look like. The guy who matters most, the
guy whose standards are the highest, showing his frustration, holding

(59:04):
people accountable, making sure everybody knows this isn't good enough.
Whether it's players, whether it's coaches, whether it's how the
organization runs, this isn't good enough. It's making everybody uncomfortable.
I love it. Thank you, Phil, Mike you're on ESPN
fifteen thirty. What's up?

Speaker 10 (59:23):
Thanks for the time. Bo.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
He been good to hear you.

Speaker 10 (59:26):
Good to hear your voice, Pal, better to hear yours. Excellent, Chick.
I want to get to jail real quick. And the
reaction on the West Coast. I don't know if you've
been listening to Petros and money, but or bit to that.
In just a second, couple college basketball questions, MO, what
in the hell has happened to the herald historic U

(59:52):
of L basketball program since Rick's Bettino left and Chris
Mack went down and laid an egg? What has happened
that freaking history?

Speaker 8 (01:00:02):
Mo?

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
It's uh, it's been something to watch, you know. I
am a big Pat Kelsey guy. He's had some good
wins this year where they steam rolled a pretty good
IU team. Earlier this season they were not at full
strength against Kentucky. I think college basketball is more fun
when Louisville is good. Things unraveled very Chris Mack, at

(01:00:24):
one point in his tenure, had the number one team
in the country. Who knows how things play out in
the COVID season, but it's it's a lot of different
coaching changes. The Kenny Payne hire was an absolute disaster.
And when when you hire not an okay coach, but
when you hire a coach who's an absolute disaster, it
takes you a while to come back. And so I

(01:00:47):
you know, in the in the portal era, in the
era that we're in now, n I l it shouldn't
take Pat Kelsey all that long. But the the short
answer to your question was, in the aftermath of Chris
mack leaving, they hired the wrong guy in Kenny Payne
just did not work out. I am hopeful for pack
Kelsey because I like him a lot that it does there,
but he he didn't have a team that was good enough.
He didn't have a team that was good enough to

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slow down Kentucky's offense. The Wildcats are one of the
best offensive teams in the country. That game was closer
than I thought it would be, but man versus man
not a fair fight, and that says more about how
good I think Kentucky is, especially on the offensive end,
than what Louisville doesn't have.

Speaker 10 (01:01:24):
Yeah, and I'm hurting because my three favorite college basketball
teams are you well, you see first U c l
A second and Louisville third, and so I'm poor, poor Mick.
I don't know what the hell's going on out there.
But my next question, I think I think Dayton will.
I think Dayton will handle UC eavily.

Speaker 6 (01:01:44):
I really do.

Speaker 10 (01:01:45):
That is a hell of a basketball team, though.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Yeah, they are, they really are. I mean, if you
watch them play at all in Maui, they boat race
Yukon in the second half, they had Carolina beat, they
had Iowa State beat. Their guards were terrific. They were
really good on Saturday night against Marquette. I don't know
what the exception of Iowa State. I don't know that
they have been defended by the way UC can defend.

(01:02:13):
And I did think in the aftermath of the shootout
that wasn't really talked about enough, and that was how
committed West Miller's team has been to playing defense this year.
But I'll tell you this, they can't shoot the way
they did from outside. Collectively, they can't have Gisel James
go oh for eleven, and they have to be better
in the half court. The half court offense can't just

(01:02:36):
be lob passes. I thought the half court offense against
Xavier was almost non existent. It's got to be better
against Dayton or you're right, Mike, the Flyers will beat them.

Speaker 10 (01:02:47):
And maybe handling, And you're right, it was lob passes.
I didn't really focus on that, but now that you
recollected it, yeah, it was. In retrospect, it wasn't a
Bobbie Knight asked the ball type deal. It was kind
of scary. I really think the Broncos this week will

(01:03:07):
beat the Chargers. I'm so impressed with this Broncos team, Mo,
because they have all the ingredients neath. Great offensive line,
great defensive line. You only need one two for the cornerback.
They got it to start him, and then you know
Knicks is coming along, I guess you'd say, and getting

(01:03:27):
a job done. Courtland Sudden is not a bad player.
I think this Denver team is just very dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
Yeah, I agree. It's it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Tony and I were doing the pregame show before the
Chargers game, and we were watching Denver play Atlanta and
the Broncos blew them out. And I looked at him
and I said, this is as completed team as I've
watched the way they're playing right now now they do
have a rookie quarterback. But yeah, I unfortunately, you know,
we talk about the Bengals postseason odds, and we're all

(01:04:00):
rooting for La to win because then the bench's get
a crack of playing Denver head to head. Denver's good,
had Kansas City beat and then the block Kick. They've
played really well since then, bow Knicks has gotten better
and better. If you watch bow Knicks games one, two,
and three versus how he's played over the last five
or six weeks, it's not the same player.

Speaker 10 (01:04:23):
No, no, it's not one quick baseball I know you
got to go. I think there's a really direct parallel
between Tampa Bay, the Rays, and the Reds. They both
have great young pitching. They both have team speed excluding La,
who's you can't put in the next but overall, their
team speed is great. Nobody's gonna matchew it. Their team

(01:04:47):
defense is actually a little better than the rech but
it's the same scenario. Well, they don't have any power
hitters of any significance going to play in the minor
league ballpark all summer in Tampa.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Yeah, you know that that in itself is not really
their fault. I've been thinking about the Reds from from
the standpoint of player acquisition. They you know, they have
a team that over the last couple of years has
tried to steal a lot of bases, run the bases aggressively,
but they haven't had a real thumper, right, like a

(01:05:21):
real thirty to thirty five home run. Guy, When you
play a great American ballpark, why wouldn't you go overboard
to try to get one of those? Yeah? Right, you
play a home you play a homer friendly park. Why
why why not try to get a guy get the
ball ahead, the ball out of the ballpark thirty thirty
five times.

Speaker 10 (01:05:43):
Hey, no, you don't have to be a baseball officionado
to figure that out, right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
I feel like we've we've kind of determined that, like
home runs are are bad, and I don't, I don't
and look and look you you have to figure out
ways to score in in you know, in involving methods
that aren't the home run. But this team was what
tenth in the National League and home runs last season.

(01:06:11):
Three for the top five of the top six made
the postseason in the National League in home run, Like,
home runs are a good thing, and I don't know
why there isn't more conversation about the Reds adding somebody
who is more of a threat to hit the ball
out of the ballpark. This team had Candelario hit if

(01:06:32):
memory serves, and he only played one hundred and fifteen
or so games. He hit twenty, Steer hit twenty, Ellie
hit twenty five. Now, I do think Ellie has, you know,
probably a good thirty in him next year, but I'd
like to see a little bit more pop. And I
don't know, like we talked, well, need they need a bat?
To me, I'm looking for a guy that's a head,
that's a threat to hit the ball out of the yard,

(01:06:55):
and it it it feels like we've we've decided that
that's too stupid to do and I don't really understand.

Speaker 10 (01:07:04):
I only I appreciate your time, Mo, Thank you so much, buddy, Mike,
you sound good.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
It's good to hear from you. Ten away from five o'clock,
John Cunningham's going to join us at the top of
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Very busy time at the University of Cincinnati. Obviously, the
shine as I'm sure not worn off from the victory

(01:09:42):
on Saturday of the men's basketball team in the Skyline
Chili Crosstown Shootout, and then on Sunday of Katrina Merriweather's
women's basketball team in the women's Skyline Chili Crosstown shootout,
so consecutive wins for U. See. It was announced this
week that the football team is going to open up
this season with a game in Kansas City against Nebraska,

(01:10:03):
which we knew those two schools were going to play.
The venue change obviously noteworthy, and they've set the date
for the game, which is going to be on the
Thursday the college football season starts, and so a lot
to talk about with the director of Athletics at the
University of Cincinnati, John Cunningham is with us. I got
to think the Monday after the Bearcats winning men's basketball

(01:10:24):
and women's basketball against your crosstown rival is a fun
day at work.

Speaker 6 (01:10:31):
I mean, it definitely is. It's always good to obviously
win that game. It's been hanging over our heads a
little bit here the last couple of years. There's a
lot riding on the game. As we all know, it
means a lot, which is why it's so special. Nader's
a great team. Both the men and women's programs are
great programs. So to get the double win in a weekend,

(01:10:53):
it is fun to walk into the building on Monday
and get celebrated.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
We got what was your bar tab on Saturday night
at meos.

Speaker 6 (01:11:01):
A couple of hundred couple hundred, Yeah, but it was
well worth it. I didn't even you can tell by
my boys, I'm not I'm not feeling that good though
I didn't partake. But I've always wanted to do that,
you know. I think it's one of the things you
want to do, is just like throw the finger up
in there and say round for the round for the room.
And so I was able to do that at me

(01:11:24):
Kenyon Martin right next to me and some other people,
and then I said goodbye and left and went to
bed because I was exhausted and not feeling that way.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Understandable. Fans emphasize rivalry games. Alums emphasize rivalry games. Alums
from individual programs emphasize rivalry games. It's it's there's no
getting around the fact that those games are a bigger deal.
When you're interviewing coaches or evaluating your coaches, do you
emphasize them a little bit more than the others.

Speaker 6 (01:11:57):
I don't think I emphasized one evaluate coaches, but I
do want to hear coaches talk about rivalry game. And
I like how West and Katrina have both just said
these are important. These are important to our program and
to our growth. But at the end of the day,
the ultimate goals makes the NCAA tournament and compete for
championships in the Big twelve in national championship. That's that's

(01:12:21):
the type of program that we want to have. We
want to make the NCAA tournament every year and then
and then you know, kind of see how the chip
fall once you make that tournament. But certainly it's a
great game. It makes a lot of fun and it's
something you do mark on your calendar every year you
know it's coming up, and it had a different feel
as if third when you play those games.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
Yeah, there's a there's no question about that. John Cunningham,
the director of athletics at the University of Cincinnati, is
with us UH. We found out for sure yesterday that
Scott Ciderfield is going to take US team to Kansas
City open up the season against Nebraska. It's technically going
to be a you you see home game. The Bearcats
will be considered the home team. That This is a

(01:13:04):
game that's been kind of nomadic. It's been moved to
Indianapolis and now the home of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Can you walk us through what led to this decision
being made?

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
I can't. It's part of the messiness of COVID and
whether the series was going to continue or not. And
so we had to work with actually two different ads
that Nebraska over quite a long period of time to
get the game scheduled, and it's you know, we're going
to go to Indy. Had kind of that that bookmarked
and started to move things that direction, and then literally

(01:13:38):
got a cold call from a group that was trying
to move a game to Arrowhead and wasn't really interested
at first, but we sort of said, you know, put
the numbers out there and see, and the numbers were
so much more to go there and the possibility of
several more million dollars into our budget this and age

(01:14:01):
it became a business decision. You have to make some
business decisions. I think people were in my position, even
in the most the most fervent Bearcat fans, would have
made the same decision based on the business elements of it.
And so we did end up moving at the Arrowhead
and it's going to be a great environment. It's going
to be on the Thursday of opening weekend, the brask

(01:14:22):
is going to be a really good team next year.
So it's gonna be a lot of fun then, and
you know, I am looking forward to that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Business decisions have been a part of college athletics for
a long time. In the era that we're in now
and in the era that we're moving into, how much
more do you have to amplify making decisions based on
dollars and cents? It is different.

Speaker 6 (01:14:44):
I mean, you're going to have me just you know
when you think about this idea of a revenue share
of twenty million dollars that did not exist frior to
next year. So that's the world that we're going to
be operating in now, which is a new, a new
world of revenue share. So it's a bogie of twenty
million that you didn't have previously on your book, and

(01:15:05):
so you're gonna have to be extremely you know, extremely
smart about your decisions. You're gonna have to really come
up with unique ways to generate more revenue. And fortunately
for us, we moved into the Big twelve and we
get a full share of Big twelve money going into
next year, and that's going to cover a vast majority
of that twenty million dollars to make us as competitive

(01:15:28):
as possible within the landscape of college athletics. But you know,
it's been a business for a while. It's more so
now because you're going to have this revenue share going
down to your student athletes. At the highest level.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
The goal every year is to play seven home games
at Knippert Stadium, and you're gonna do that in twenty
twenty five. Look, neutral site games at the beginning of
the season are not new to college football. We have
them every single year and oftentimes involving really high profile matchups.
Is there a desire to do this sort of thing

(01:16:03):
more often with the football program and do it in
a way where obviously you're not taking a game that
already was in place of moving it, but play in
more large scale events like this against high major opposition
on a neutral site.

Speaker 6 (01:16:18):
But potentially, and I should have mentioned it, and thank
you for bringing it up. We have seven home games
in Kniffort next year, five big twelve home games, right,
and so we know we have a tremendous schedule. We
had the thirteenth ranked schedule in the country this past season,
and it's going to be a really highly ranked schedule
next year, so you know, we don't move this game

(01:16:40):
at all if we don't have seven home games, and
that's always going to be our goal. And then when
we did make this move to a neutral site, we
actually were able to get in the brasket a slide
a game in an out year, and we were able
to get another year that we had seven home games
that we weren't scheduled to have seven. So that's the
ultimate goal. I think in the next eight years or so,

(01:17:00):
there's only one year where we have six and we're
working hard. My guy John Daniel does all of our scheduling.
He's working hard to maneuver some things to get seven
in that year. So that's always gonna be the goal,
to have seven home games in Kniffort. And then you know,
if there's a possibility to maybe take a game to
initial site and really get a big payday, you've got
to look at it again. In this day and age,

(01:17:22):
you're going to have to look at those types of things.
And they are fun games, and I think that beginning
that beginning weekend is always fun. We're going to play
on Thursday, be the first first game out of the
gate and get a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Of attention to you and I talked midway through the
football season. I believe the Bearcats were either four and
two or five and two, and I think we all
felt great about where the season may end up. And
I don't think anybody's very happy with with how the
season ended with the five and seven record. Scott Sadderfield
would certainly, I think, acknowledge that. How would you evaluate

(01:17:57):
You've gotten some good news Joe Royer at the shootout
on Saturday, they announced he's coming back, Brendan sores Be,
Dante Corleone key pieces I see the athletic has uh
has a coach. Sadderfield's team among the winners so far
in this portal cycle, which is still hard for a
lot of people to wrap their brains around. I think
you would be the first to admit the the the
the record and the performances need to be better next season.

(01:18:20):
So give me your evaluation of the program with where
things stand right now.

Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
And you've got to win. I mean you, you've got
to win close games, and I think you've got to
start to make the plays that matter in those close
games to get those victories. I think we've felt that,
not only in football, I think we've felt that across
all of our sports in the Big Twelve, which is,
you know, we've gotten really quote at times and we're
right there and we and we don't make that key

(01:18:47):
play that would have that would have won that game.
And the other thing is you got to win your
home I think that was the disappointing thing. And at
the beginning of the year we talked about really trying
to protect Niffort and we didn't do that down the
stretch and had oup unity is obviously you know, had
you know, double the amount of first downs in double
the amount of yards at West Virginia and who was
that game? Right, So there's just a few of those

(01:19:08):
instances where you've got to win those close games, especially
in the Big Twelve. Nobody in the Big Twelve got
away with with less than two offices, right. So it's
one of those leagues where it's really competitive and you
got to make us see plays. So now I evaluate it,
I say, are there are there tracks in the program?
And what I'm seeing is that they are not right.
But the best players on this team come back announce

(01:19:31):
they're coming back. That's very unusual nowadays to get your
very best players to not to not look at the portal,
but to come back and be on board. So behind
the scene, there's a lot of good things happening. We've
done well in the portal so far. We'll keep pushing
on that. But I don't see any craft and I
expect this to be a lot better next year, and
I'm really excited about.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
It in in the in the portal era, if you
had if you were college footballer or just the tzar
of college sports, and you could design the calendar the
way you wanted as it relates to the portal and
when players could could enter, when they could leave, and
when they could join a program, how would you structure things.

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
It's a tough question. You know. There's been some some
discussion of getting rid of a spring portal, but I
actually think that that for us, we're okay because of
a culture that we've created in most of our sports.
We haven't had a lot of uh student athletes that
that we didn't want to lead leave and so for us,

(01:20:35):
I think having a spring portal period in football and
having multiple portal periods in other sports is okay because
we feel like we're going to create a culture where
people want to be at the university. Of Cincinnati, and
then that allows us to go fill some holes and
be more of a buyer in the portal than the
seller in the portal. So, you know, I don't think

(01:20:55):
it's perfect right now, but I'm okay with the fall
plortal period in the spring. I do if you can
shrink those portal periods, they don't need to be as long.
If kids want to go, they've got to make a decision.
You got to make it kind of quickly, and I
think that will help them things. The other thing that's
going to help the portal long term is that these
kids are signing contracts now that can be multi year content.

(01:21:17):
So there's a little bit of stickiness that we haven't
had in the past with this revenue share that was
that we're all working on right now to start next year.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
How's your volleyball code search going.

Speaker 6 (01:21:29):
I just got out of a zoom call, so we're
we're hot and heavy on on the volleyball search. And
obviously great candidate's a lot of interest. People want to
be here, people want to be in the Big twelve
and and be a part of what we're doing. So
it's going to be we're gonna have to move quickly
and get one here soon.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
You've got a lot on your play. I didn't even
ask you about the football facility like it's you got
a lot on your plate. How's the facility going?

Speaker 6 (01:21:53):
Awesome? It's gonna be open in June. We're doing tours
around it now with select people and and I haven't
been in there in probably a month or so, but
they say it just looks spectaculous, So we don't. We
don't do things in a in a small way here
and it's gonna be big. It's gonna beautiful and can't
wait to have that. It's it's something that really we

(01:22:15):
we've needed for a long time, we needed at this
past fall. We need it right now for training purposes.
We wish it was open, but we can't wait for
it to be open in June.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
What do I have to do to be one of
those people that gets a tour?

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
You're in Yeah, just give us a call. John again,
I mentioned John Daniel twice. He's my builder Bob. He
walks around and gives great tours, so he can do
that anytime.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Very good. I've got his number and I know where
his offices. I appreciate you doing this because you do
have a lot going on. He answered all my questions
and we'll chat again soon. Thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (01:22:50):
Always good to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Sewn Cunningham, director of Athletics at the University of Cincinnati.
Our guy, Our guy, Sean Saide is going to join us.
We're here at beat Ups till six lock in Milford.
We're giving away tickets to the game on Sunday Bengals Browns.
We've got five dollars butt light tolls. We've got buy one,
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(01:23:14):
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Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
This is Football in THENNETTI run to you in parte
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Speaker 6 (01:23:32):
On.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Saya joins us on Tuesday Status and Skiing podcast Monday
Morning mash Up for Summer Sports dot Com, in addition
to his other work and on x at sayaed Schemes.
What was watching that game on Sunday in real time?
I felt like I was intoxicated? What was it like
watching it critically.

Speaker 11 (01:23:53):
Well, you know, there was a little bit of that.

Speaker 12 (01:23:55):
It felt like a fever dream at times, where you're
getting you know, weird interception.

Speaker 11 (01:23:58):
You're getting balls.

Speaker 12 (01:23:59):
Bouncing in different ways. You're getting fumbles or interceptions that
should be touched out going.

Speaker 11 (01:24:03):
Out through the deck of the end zone.

Speaker 12 (01:24:05):
You know, I try you remove a little bit of
just the variants that you're gonna have on turnover plays
like that Burrow interception was a bad decision and a
bad throw. You're hoping that that's not something that gets sustained.
But yeah, it was weird watching the film too. You know,
you see the Bengals get some of that high end variants.

Speaker 11 (01:24:22):
Where this is what you wanted.

Speaker 12 (01:24:23):
All year where your defense floid. I actually don't think
they played a tremendous game outside of those interceptions. The
Titans were able to be consistent moving the ball a
little bit with their offense, even with a backup quarterback.
But you get some interceptions, you're able to have some
slash plays on defense, So you know, it felt like
a mess watching it live kind of on a second
screen and then watching that all turning to Bill, you
could definitely feel a little bit of sloppiness there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
So this defense is still not very good, but they
lucked into playing against Will Levis.

Speaker 6 (01:24:51):
Well, you know you.

Speaker 12 (01:24:51):
Can only play who you play, right, Well, I just
think you start to see a few things, whether it's
let's miles work, I think just him overall, like you,
he is improving, like he is.

Speaker 11 (01:25:01):
He is not where I think you need.

Speaker 12 (01:25:02):
Him to be right now, but you see him just
kind of taking steps and kind of being the pass
rusher that you can maybe hope that he can be
kind of in the future. I think you get some
good plays from fifty seven out linebacker two, which and
then that feels like it's been coming up kind of.

Speaker 6 (01:25:16):
Week after week.

Speaker 11 (01:25:17):
But and then hey, you know that Geno.

Speaker 12 (01:25:18):
Stone play him kind of cutting off that in breaking
out is really really nice. You want you want to
be able to see that, You want to be able
to take advantage of a quarterback.

Speaker 11 (01:25:25):
So I do think you know getting that no matter
who it is.

Speaker 12 (01:25:29):
As we start to look at you know, these like
five percent chance playoff fids, you're looking at, hey, can
you hit like triple on.

Speaker 11 (01:25:36):
Everything rolling in here?

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
Right way?

Speaker 12 (01:25:38):
You get a little bit of positive but certainly still
a unit that, as we all know, needs a lot
of work.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
Yeah. You know, one of the players who suffered an injury,
or one of the players that we talked about because
of his his injury was Sam Hubbard, who suffered it
playing on offense. They put him in and threw him
a touchdown. We love Sam here. He's from here. He
has been a big part of this franchise, going back
to when Marvin Lewis was still the head coach. I
think a lot of us looked at him and said, boy,

(01:26:05):
he might have just played his last down as a Bengal.
I know you you often focus a little bit more
on schemes and what's happening with all twenty two players
versus just one. But as Sam Hubbard does, he still
possess the capability of being an effective player on defense.

Speaker 12 (01:26:23):
You know, obviously you hope that it's not his last
snap as an angle, as you mentioned, and he's got
a lot of history with the team. I do think
there's been times this year where no offensive tackle has
just been able to get on a little bit where
we've talked a bunch.

Speaker 11 (01:26:35):
About how they have to rely on Trey Henderson.

Speaker 12 (01:26:37):
Because they're not getting a ton of just you know,
ed rusher production from the other side. So at that point,
you know, it's on the angles of the franchise to
decide is this is a production that you're getting, which
this year, you know, I think it wasn't enough. I
think it wasn't exactly what they would have wanted. So
you're deciding, you know, does that matchup with your cat
with the money.

Speaker 11 (01:26:55):
That you're gonna have to allocate there, And we keep
on here the Higgins as the new agent.

Speaker 12 (01:26:58):
You keep hearing things going that direction, of which his
dollars overall is going to be such an.

Speaker 11 (01:27:02):
Important thing to monitor. So I do think it's a real.

Speaker 12 (01:27:05):
Possibility that he played his last snap as a Bengali,
which is a tough thing to swallow. I think that
as a defense overall, you're just hoping that, you know,
his Murphy able to take the next step. Are you
able to is Harver the guy that you bring back
maybe if you're you're lucky on just kind of getting
a little bit of a discount, and that he's able
to continue to form that room out even if he's
not playing.

Speaker 11 (01:27:23):
You know, the vast majority of stats, I.

Speaker 12 (01:27:25):
Think overall, rough situation, But hey, you know, you go
out on a touchdown, that's always a good way to go.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Who is the better football player, Chase Brown or Joe Mixon.

Speaker 11 (01:27:36):
That's a good one. I feel like we've talked about
a lot this year, Like if.

Speaker 12 (01:27:40):
I'm looking forward, I want Chase Brown. You know I
love Chase Brown, Like I'm always happy when you.

Speaker 11 (01:27:44):
Asked me about him.

Speaker 12 (01:27:46):
His verse is really always the thing that stands out,
just the way that he's able.

Speaker 11 (01:27:49):
To be effective in that way. I think he can
run from the gun. I think he'll run from under center.

Speaker 12 (01:27:54):
The hen and Mixon and are just at different points
of their career now, So I do think, you know,
in the longer term, the Bengals are going to feel
pretty positive about that, even though we had some weeks
early on where he really felt like, oh man, mixing
is gonna make them pay. But when you when you're
able to look at the contract, then like we're gonna
keep on talking about contract these next two weeks.

Speaker 11 (01:28:11):
And it's so so important.

Speaker 12 (01:28:13):
So when you have just a running back on just
you know, ll gonna be a better deal. I feel
like he's outside of just the player itself. The situation
I think is gonna end up favoring Cincinnati there. And
you know Mixon as long as he if he is
able to know get back to being productive like that
is what kind of Houston needs, just kind of at
their like teams life cycle right now in Cincinnati being
in a different spot and have done as well.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
According Sean said is with US stats and scheme podcastsuomer
sports dot com. Uh, some models have the Bengals holding
a two percent chance of making the postseason, others four percent,
others six percent. Some stuff needs to happen. Now, They're
not gonna be eliminated on Thursday night, But our preference
here is that the Chargers beat the Broncos on Thursday.

(01:28:56):
Can that happen?

Speaker 11 (01:28:58):
It absolutely can happen.

Speaker 12 (01:28:59):
You know, when you look at the Broncos their last
game against the Colts, they really won that on the
back of their defense where Bonex is kakings depths forward.
I think against the Colts, when it felt like when
he was pushing the ball down the.

Speaker 11 (01:29:10):
Field, I think he maybe put a little bit of
a step back just in terms of the way that
he was seeing game, the way that he was.

Speaker 12 (01:29:14):
Steeling everything out. And when you look at the Charges defense,
who unfortunately just let up a ton of points.

Speaker 11 (01:29:19):
To the Buccaneers. They're still a very good unit. They're
still really well coached.

Speaker 12 (01:29:23):
They're effective up front. So it's gonna come down to
just you know, is the Chargers offense going to be
effective enough, because they've had times where under Greg Roman,
they've just been struggling to move the ball, even though
they have Justin Herbert, even though they have I think
pieces that are pronmakers, really have the offensive line spots
kind of amongst everything else.

Speaker 11 (01:29:40):
I think it's going to be a fun Thursday night game. No,
as you know, when it's.

Speaker 12 (01:29:43):
Thursday night, it is it is weird, weird, weird things
happened now will look like the Tuggans Bengals game. Maybe not,
but I absolutely diferent chance that. I mean really any
range of outsen happens in that game. So you know,
maybe maybe we turned that two percent chance to do
a five percent chance.

Speaker 11 (01:29:57):
You keep looking that the Bengals, you know, Bengals need
to out. You gotta have the Broncos over the Chargers
losing out.

Speaker 12 (01:30:02):
Obviously you can't after they they face each other and
need the Colts and the Dolphins to drop a game
as well.

Speaker 11 (01:30:07):
So you know it's greater than zero.

Speaker 12 (01:30:09):
Though, which I hope you tell me there's a chance
it's important.

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
Yeah, well, and so I was gonna go there. Next
the Dolphins play San Francisco and then road games against
Cleveland and the Jets. They can lose one of those games, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:23):
I absolutely think so.

Speaker 12 (01:30:24):
I think the Dolphins have that forty nine Ers game
where it looked kind of before the season like, oh,
this is going to be, you know, a primetime massive
and obviously they have Shanahan McDaniel, Agle, like you're looking
at so many things there. But I certainly could see
them dropping that game where the Dolphins lost game against
the Texans. You know, a lot of struggles for the
offense overall, so it feels like they're a team that

(01:30:46):
can certainly drop a game.

Speaker 11 (01:30:48):
And then when you look at the culture of the season, Santles.

Speaker 12 (01:30:50):
Wall, then the Titans, the Giants, and the Jaguars, and
it's been a little more friendly, I would say, than
having to face the forty nine Ers no matter where
they are up at this point of the year.

Speaker 11 (01:31:00):
But the Cults have had struggles that add offense too.

Speaker 12 (01:31:02):
So it's a situation where I mean a lot of
Dolinoes havesketball and exactly the right angle at exactly the
right time. But you you still gonna watch because there
is actually a chance just based on how some of
these teams have played at different points this year where
they can drop a game, no one is the feels
like they're just ironclad get a constantly win games. They
have a strong offense and a strong defense for every

(01:31:25):
single matti the rest of the way.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Yeah, all right, So, so Shawn's making me feel better
about the Shan Sayaed Stats and Scheme Podcastsoomer sports dot Com.
I appreciate it as always, my man. We'll do it again,
thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
Thanks so much.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
Mom.

Speaker 11 (01:31:39):
Getting used to talking after wins. I'm hopefully we can
keep it going.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
I like it. I like it. There you go, Sean Saya.
All right, one of the premiere high school basketball events
in the country is happening in a couple of weeks.
We'll learn more about it next.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
You've been listening to a football in Minetti on the
official home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteenth.

Speaker 7 (01:32:01):
Cincinnatis.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
It's twenty one away from Sex. This is ESPN fifteen
thirty on Oeggar we're broadcasting Forge Ben another twenty minutes
here at Buffalo Wild Games in Milford. One of the
premiere high school basketball events in the entire region, I'd
say the entire country. Is coming up third annual Beacon

(01:32:24):
Orthopedics and Sports Medicine Tri Health Holiday Hardwood Classic, which
is happening just after Christmas at the Sintas Center. There
are going to be twelve games, six on Friday the
twenty seventh, six more on Saturday, the twenty eighth, boys games,
girls games. And this is going to be a terrific event.

(01:32:44):
And it's the third year we have talked about this,
which means it's a third year we've had our guy,
Richard Neuman on to talk about this event. It is
good to have you as always Richard. How are you.

Speaker 13 (01:32:55):
I'm doing great, Mo, Thanks so much for having me
on again.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
We're back again, back again, and seemingly bigger than ever.

Speaker 13 (01:33:04):
It is bigger than ever. We started out with a
field of sixteen, went to twenty two last year, and
we're maxed out this year at twenty four. So we'll
be playing a lot of high school hoops on the
twenty seventh and twenty eight, starting at Union both days.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Yeah, at a great venue for this, the Centa Center
at Zavier University. All right, let's start on Friday, December
the twenty seventh, rundown the list of games for me.

Speaker 13 (01:33:31):
All right, we start with a girls game Mountain Notre
Dame versus Bellbrook, coming down from Dayton. We then roll
into boys Sycamore versus Harrison, Milford versus Lasal Big CPS
matchup they've been in a three years in a row
Talf versus Withrow Wyoming versus marymontt These two schools are

(01:33:53):
making their debut appearance Ryle from Northern Kentucky against Summits
Country Days the night app on Friday and on Saturday,
we again start with a girls game Princeton versus Lakota
East Big GMC matchup, and then a very interesting match
up Princeton versus Indianapolis Cathedral, Boys Anderson versus Man Healthy

(01:34:18):
Turpin versus Ross. And then the west side doubleheader nightcap
Seaton versus Fairfield Girls and Elder versus Fairfield Boys.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
Great and then go ahead, Yeah, so it's uh, it's
gonna be. How do you arrive at determining which schools
you you make a part of this.

Speaker 13 (01:34:39):
Well, when we first started, it was obviously an attractive
proposition for schools to play in the Centas Center, as
it continues to be. So I went around the horn
to to ads that I've known for a while and
figured out the matchup. Some have relocated home games to

(01:34:59):
the center, others wanted me to make neutral site matchups,
which is fine. And then last year we actually bifurcated
it and did one day between Christmas and New Year's
one day at MLK weekend so I could accommodate some
of the higher profile teams from the area that go
out of town during the Christmas break to play in

(01:35:21):
other events. For a variety of reasons, we decided to
go back to the original format, so two days between
Christmas and New Years and by this time I will
tell you that I probably had thirty or forty teams
that were interested in participating and just not enough route

(01:35:44):
so I try to keep the traditional matchups together. There's
a handful of schools like I mentioned Turpin and Withrow
that have been in all three events. Elders did in
all three Airfield Milford, So as long as they are interested,
I'm still going to keep rolling with them and as
we can, we piece in others because I do want

(01:36:06):
to give as many many teams and schools the opportunity
to participate. This is all about the kids, the student athletes,
and the coaches and the fans having the opportunity to
experience something that frankly, not many of them will again
playing in a big time d one big East arena
like the Siptop Center.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Yeah, no question about that. All right. Where can folks
go to get tickets?

Speaker 13 (01:36:32):
Well? Online, everything's online. Now I'm an old guy, so
there's a little bit of a shop for the system.
So you go to either the Hollywood Hardwood excuse me,
the Holiday Hardwood Classic dot com website, Orgzavier dot com
Buy tickets website twelve dollars in advance online, fifteen dollars

(01:36:54):
at the gate. That's a one day pass to come
in for all the games. We think it's a great
deal for those people who bring a donation for a
charity partner, the Freestore Food Bank, and this is a
very important time a year for them to get donations
to restock their shelves.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
As you can.

Speaker 13 (01:37:14):
Imagine, they're depleted after Thanksgiving and the Christmas holidays. They're
going to ticket stub from the Free Store Food Bank
volunteers and they can present it at the box office
and get a three dollars discount to knock it back
down to twelve. So it's pretty easy to find your
way to the Centai Center with free parking, and we

(01:37:37):
think it's priced right. And we looks like the weather's
going to cooperate. Last year whenever days we had that
twenty plus below zero wind show, which was not a
good experience. Looks like we're going to be a lot
warmer than that this year.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
Unfortunately. I remember those web tradition as well. Good holiday,
Hardwood Classic dot com and again, six games on Friday,
six games on Saturday. There's no event like this in
the greater Cincinnati area. You're gonna see terrific boys teams,
terrific girls teams, and gonna be a lot of fun.
And I'm glad you mentioned the Free Store Food Bank

(01:38:14):
because they certainly do the Lord's work. Nogdan, no doubt
about that. Awesome that you're doing this the third straight
year and hopefully it continues. Thank you so much.

Speaker 13 (01:38:24):
You're welcome, Lance and quick shout out to Beacon and
Tryouth and Lo Roses and Skyline and Home City iis
and you guys, no problem. You know Joe Frederick in
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty do a great job promoting it.
The last question for you, did you make it across
the pond to see Bruce in Europe last year?

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
I didn't go across the pond. I went. I went
to Columbus. I saw the show and Columbus in April
of last year. I came this close to going to Pittsburgh.
I badly wanted to go to that show in the
Shore in Jersey, but it was during football season, so
I couldn't do it. So I am waiting with a
tremendous amount of anticipation to see what the twenty twenty

(01:39:08):
five tour schedule looks like.

Speaker 13 (01:39:11):
HI saw on at Columbus and Pittsburgh, Citizens Bank Park
in Philly, buddies of mine from Jersey so on at
the Shore it was just a wild scene and I
don't know mo I'm here. And then he Nate tag
some new US dates on the back end of his
makeup tour in Europe, So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
Well, if so, and if I can get there, perhaps
I'll see you there. And I look forward to that, right.

Speaker 13 (01:39:36):
Thanks so much for her for having me on. Really
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
You're You're very welcome. Richard Newman. Good to Holiday, Hardwood
Classic dot Com. Six games on Friday the twenty seventh,
six more on Saturday the twenty EIGHTHA called me Lance.
It's okay. McK cronin did that to me once, called
me Lance three times in the same interview. No big deal.
It's at thirteen away from six o'clock. We're a Buffalo
Wings and Milford on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station Cincinnati. Rob,

(01:40:06):
you can have forty five minutes now? You can you
get a forty five seconds of the one minute we have?

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
Hi, Rob, Well, I appreciate you fitting me in. I
didn't mind waiting as all. I listened to you all
the time.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
You're a good man.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Here's my playing for Sam Hubbard. Back in the day,
we had a defensive end named Justin Smith. He was
a hell of a player. He got long in the two.
He didn't want to bring him back. What's San Francisco
to do. Let's pick him up, put twenty pounds on
him and make him an our pro defensive tackle. He
can stop to run already. Just what do you think

(01:40:38):
about that?

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
You know what, that is a very fair point. What
I wonder with Sam is how much have some of
his physical issues caught up to him that it would
offset what you're trying to do. But I think that's
a very very fair and valid point. Look, if Sam

(01:40:59):
Hubbard wants to football next year, somebody will give them
that opportunity. It'll be interesting to see how that team
would use him. That's food for thought. Rob, Thank you
Rob for the phone called you ever a great night,
gave us something to think about going into Thursday. Because
I'm off tomorrow. I'm off. We got the big school
Christmas play tonight and then we are going to go

(01:41:20):
celebrate cast party tonight, second grade Christmas Christmas pageant, musical play.
I don't know what we call it. It's a school
play for Christmas the second graders at my daughter's school.
I've been told the cast party is going to be insane.
So I took tomorrow off. Chads in Uh, you know what, Tara,

(01:41:41):
I'll ask you maybe next year third grade Christmas play,
you could be the DJ. Well, it's a good question.
So I think Chad's in tomorrow. I am back in
studio on Thursday. Next week. We're not going to be
at B Dubs on Tuesday, but we will be the
day after Christmas. You know it's location. Now stick around

(01:42:03):
and follow me on social media. Will tell you we
got to go. Have a great night. Thank you for listening.
Thanks to the staff in Buffalo, Wildwicks, Harper's Point next
week on Thursday. Very good, all right, we're done. Have
a great night. Thanks Taan for producing, into Mike Mills
for producing on site. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
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