12/22/25 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 2 (00:43):
The Christmas edition of The Tony Imo Football Show on
ESPN fifteen thirty comes your way from Twin Peaks in Florence.
We are here till six o'clock the day after the
Bengals got a crucial late season victory to improve their
record to five and ten forty five to twenty one
over the Miami Dolphins. Twin Peaks the home of the
Tonian Mo Football Show. You know after today we have

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just two shows remaining. We're back in Westchester next week
and then here for the season finale. In Florence. We'll
worry about that later. We are here till six o'clock.
A great place to post up and have a pre
Christmas cold one. A great place to post up and
watch Monday night football. Pretty interesting game between San Francisco
and Indianapolis. Great place for ball season. Great place to

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watch your awesome college basketball team if you're a fan
of one, and Kentucky may still end up being awesome
based on the way they played with Jaden Quainton's available
on Saturday. The food is great. I got the flatbread
for the first time. The beer is called. The staff
is awesome. And all we're missing is you. Twin Peaks
in Florence, right off Turfway Road. You'll be here in minutes.

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And when you get off I seventy five. Tony Pike
is with me. How's it going.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I'm ready to go on to day. It's so much
more enjoyable to do these when the team wins.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
It is, I mean it is. You want to talk.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I know coaches put in a lot of time and
it's an exhausting profession.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
They have no time for anything else.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
It can become exhausting.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, ten different times throughout a year, to have to
talk about losses. So this for our mental well being
going into the holiday. What a welcome sight yesterday was.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
I'll say this. I watched the game this morning.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I was in Greenville, South Carolina, filling in for Dan
on the UC basketball broadcast, and so I knew how
the game played out. I had seen a lot of
the highlights. I hadn't watched it front to back until
this morning.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
That was fun.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yep, this fun game.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Joe Burrow in that offense, that to me like the
big if.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
There's no big takeaway as far as I'm concerned, but
if you're trying to come up with one, I guess
the first one for me would be that's what it
should look like, That's what it can look like.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
The Dolphins aren't very good. Quinn Ewers is not an
NFL caliber quarterback in my opinion. I thought that team
as the game went on, looked very checked out. But
it was a dominant offense, offense to a degree, an
opportunistic defense, and they took care of business and pummeled
a bad team, which they haven't done enough of.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, my big takeaways from yesterday. It's good when Joe
Burrow has fun Yeah, that's a positive. His four touchdown
passes ridiculous, Chase Brown's third quarter incredible. T Higgins like,
you want to talk about a team first guy. If
T would have came out and said, look, two concussions

(03:30):
this year fed a couple before, I'm not gonna do
it anymore this year, I don't think anyone would have
scoffed at that. To not only come back to go
and I thought the team getting him a specialist was awesome,
not only him to come back, but to have the
impact he did. It shows you how and who he is.
Jamar Chase for the twenty seventh time since he's been drafted,

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goes over the one hundred yard mark. And a defense
who we have spent time all year ridiculing forces three takeaways.
I thought Sjamar Stewart played well. Miles Murphy had a
good game.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Again.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Like that to me, like, enjoy that part of it
and still understand that and make sure it's reiterated. Nothing
that happens over the last couple games should change the
fact that the expectations have to be different going forward.
But that doesn't mean you can't enjoy a win.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yet.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
I had way too many people either text me or
on social media, while all that win does is hurt
them for dread, just enjoy a win and the fun
that comes with that and then worry about the rest
of it later.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
We'll get to that take a little bit later on.
I think there's usefulness to these games. There's usefulness for
a guy like Miles Murphy, which you could shake your head,
you could think that what he's doing is a mirage whatever,
But like it would behoove this team to have a
few pieces emerge next year as guys you want to

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keep sure Miles Murphy is doing that. He continued that, yes,
Dax Hill's second half of the season, James Rapeene wrote
about how he's played recently.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
You know it's it's Jaalen Davis yesterday.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, for Dax, maybe it's been a little bit too little,
too late. But you're you are trying to find guys
that you go, you know what, I'm good with this
dude being on the team next year.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Like that that helps. That doesn't mean you don't make changes.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
That doesn't mean you're suddenly trustworthy of you suddenly trust
how this is going to unfold this offseason.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
I think these games are.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Useful for the offensive line, like there's dudes on that
offensive line who are going to be here next year.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
There's usefulness. You can acknowledge that.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You can also acknowledge that in the grand scheme of things,
winning these games shouldn't make anybody, whether you're an outsider
as a fan or inside the offices at the venue
originally known as Paul Brown Stadium, should not lull you
in a sense of security that they're not that far away.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
But I think that and they don't need to do
all that much. But that concern is valid.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Because last year it was the exact same. They won
down the stretch. They went on a string against bad
teams and bad quarterbacks, and what happened in the offseason.
We're good, We're gonna run it back. They didn't do
enough to address the issues in the off season. So
I'm good with winning as long as it doesn't equate
to a meeting at some point of you know what,
we're not as far off as we thought. We don't

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need to make the wholesale changes, because you still do.
But I get why people are cautious because we've seen
this play out the string, win down the stretch in
meaningless games and then it changes the trajectory in the offseason.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I understand that fear. I share that fear. That doesn't
mean I don't want them to win the hole. Well,
they screwed up their draft choice.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I just said this to you in Austin during Monday
midday quarterback quick hits. If there's an obvious prize, like
in twenty nineteen, I wanted the Bengals to have the
number one overall pick because I wanted specifically Jean Burrow.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Now, dude, sign me up.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
If Caleb Downs is there and then you could draft
him like I'm in, I don't know that I would
call him an obvious prize. I also think we dramatically
overrate tanking. The players cared too much.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeh, look at t Higgins. That's a primary example.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
He could have done exactly what you said and said, Dude,
I've been in protocol twice.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I'm not going to play in these games that don't matter.
I have no statistical milestones to reach. I've got to
protect myself. Instead, he sees the specialist. He fights to
come back. He makes sort of a tone setting play
early in the game on the thirty five yard reception
plays his heart out like number one. If you want
your franchise to be about the right things, start there. Yep,

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start with T. Higgins Number two. If you want this
team to collapse, quit tank however you want to put it.
You're overrating how much this matters to a lot of guys.
Start that conversation as T. Higgins and for that conversation.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Because the Falcons won yesterday, they didn't lose any draft spots, right,
so they didn't go up, they didn't go down. They
stayed right where they were and they got it. You
got to see a game where the offense was awesome
and the defense did some nice things. Yeah, and Ow
Golden might be working back to get in the D
for the final two games of the season.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I will make a determination after Week eighteen whether he
gets there.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
The D for the rest of the Ray McBride is
coming in Sunday, correct, So before we even start down
that path, we'll wait and see.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
There's a lot of ground to cover between now and
six o'clock the Bengals game yesterday. Some of the stories
that were talked about going into the game against the
Miami Dolphins, a wildly entertaining NFL.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
We can still trying to figure out what happened with
the Steelers Allions.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
We're gonna spend some time on that go around the
AFC North. We've got the college football playoff to talk about.
Do you want to take a college basketball detour today?

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I don't want to, but I think we owe it
to our listeners.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
To do so.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
You know, I took a college basketball detoy yesterday.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
And I think maybe you should do it.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
You were there, I get I got to watch it
in the lens of at least I could avert my
eyes to other games happening.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, you couldn't. No, I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Bye, God, that start was a spectacle. That's one way
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Speaker 5 (10:12):
Else will either.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
But we were talking before about the ascension of Miles Murphy.
Miles Murphy, yeah, I think has played him, has played
himself into the building block label. You look ahead. He's
a building block. He may never completely played to the
level of first round pick, sure, but when you look
at next year's team, I think you won him on

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and he's played well enough. He's blossomed late, later than
all of us would have liked, but he has blossomed,
and he looks like a piece and there's a handful.
DJ Turner is obviously one, but Miles Murphy is as well.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Very quietly, very quietly.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
You know, Duke Tobin taking a ton of criticism for
a lot of different reasons.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
It's billboards up.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
We've criticized him, but Duke Tobin's two thousand and three
draft lass, Miles Murphy looks capable. DJ Turner playing at
a pro bowl level. Yeah, Chase Brown yesterday was awesome.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Chase Brown was awesome.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Andre Yoshabas was a very good six round pick.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, I'm ready to move on from from Yoshid just perfect.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Don't disagree. I don't you you can do better.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's where the off season is for me on the offense,
where we're going to talk about third wide receiver in depth.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
But I think when you look at like sixth round
pick value, pretty good.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah, right, I mean, he's he's he has served his role.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I don't know that I'm interested in extending him, but
if they did, it's not the worst.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Thing in the world. But I'm kind of good. I'm
good with upgrade.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Jordan Battle is serviceable. That oh, three class, tell me
three class not awful.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I like, you know, Miles Murphy ended the year last
year pretty strong, and then you go through a coordinator change,
and I think it just took him some time to
get his feet back under him. I also think Miles
Murphy is a product. And I know this is different
of Trey Hendrickson's situation, in Shamar Stewart's situation. This year, sure,
Miles Murphy went from a guy who had to look

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over his shoulder a lot wins Trey coming back in
how many reps am I going to get? How many
reps am I getting in practice? Miles Murphy became the
guy got all the reps at practice, didn't have to
worry if he made a mistake that he was going
to get pooled during the game. And I think you're
seeing a guy that now is playing with confidence instead

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of a rotational piece that you know you don't want
to make a mistake because you're gonna get pulled or
you don't get the reps of practice to feel confident
in what you're doing. I think you're seeing a confident
Miles Murphy, and I think you're seeing that as a
result of kind of what's happened to Trey Hendrickson and.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Shamar Stewart this Yes, he's.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Making the most of an opportunity when it felt like
the team was kind of moving past. Like the whole
reason Trey Hendrickson was a talking point was because they
didn't feel like they had anyone that could do it
the whole sink. Shamar Stewart was drafted, but we need
someone alongside Trey Hendrickson because our other guys aren't good enough.
I think it's it's a huge step forward, not only
for him against the pass, but the way he's played

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the run as well.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
Yeah, useful piece.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Again, I don't know that anybody is ever gonna say
that Miles Murphy was a good first round pick, But
that doesn't mean he can't be a good player, sure,
and that doesn't mean he can't be a guy that
you move forward with and build around. Do I want
better edge rushers than Miles Murphy on next year's team, Yes,
maybe one of them is Shamar Stewart. Maybe one of
them is a guy they draft, Maybe one of them

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is a guy they signed in free agency. I don't
think it's going to be or should be, Trey Hendrickson.
But yeah, Like so we talk about like the value
in these games. There's value for Miles Murphy. There's value
for Shamar Stewart, if for nothing else, he's gaining NFL experience.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, and it's a It's different than the offensive side
of the ball, right, I know what the offense is
gonna be, uh huh outside of O line depth, a
wide receiver for number three and showing up the tight
ends spot, Like, you don't have to worry about the
offense defensively. These games are important because you got to
figure out who are guys like you just mentioned. I
think Miles Murphy now is a guy you say, Okay,

(14:11):
I'm good with that. What other positions do we need
to attack? Every DJ turner? I feel like I'm good
with that. Yeah, you know, Dax, I'm good there. Outside
of that, Like, there's so many decisions on defense you
have to make that the more you can put in
the bank over these final two now of the regular
season and say okay, and again like you have to
take it though with an understanding of what you're going against,

(14:34):
because last year we got lowed into the thought of okay,
Miles Murphy finished this season strong, right, Joseph Osai finished
the season strong. And then we went into an off
season where Duke Tobin essentially said that we're pretty good there.
We don't need to mess with anything. That's not what
can happen over the last two Now it can't be well,
the defense forces another three tonovers against Jacoby Brissett, and

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then they dominate Shador Sanders, and all of a sudden it's.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Well, you know, maybe there's only two spots.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
They know. It's just like last year.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
He's you read this defense isn't good enough. Can they
find a couple pieces, Yes, but it still needs a
major overhaul in the offseason.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
They feasted on bad quarterbacks at the end of the
year last Yes, they have a chance to feast on
bad or in sud Or Sanders case, we'll say inexperienced
quarterbacks as they did yesterday when yours we will see.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
But the Miles Murphy thing has gone from.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know, hey he has shown a flash or hey,
he's had a good couple of games to like the
back half of the season. He has played well enough
the consistency for you to go, Okay, I want that
guy to be on the team next year.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Not a one or two game flash. Yeah, he's done
it consistently. Yeah, and again I think as he's doing that,
his confidence is growing as well.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
We'll take a look at what happened in the AFC
North this weekend when we come back. Tony and Mo
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No real Bengals news to speak of the day after
the Bengals throttled the Miami Dolphins forty five to twenty one,
Cincinnati setting their sights on Sunday's tilt against the Arizona
Cardinals that game at one on ESPN fifteen thirty pre
game starts at nine am. Monday Night Football Tonight's on
ESPN fifteen thirty, forty nine ers in Indy to take
on Philip Rivers and the Colts College Basketball. Earlier today,

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the Miami RedHawks beat something called Milligan one.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Thirty five to eighty one.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Undefeated.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
They are undefeated, knocking off Milligan and nai A school.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
You know, I played with Danny Milligan from from st X. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Dan, Randy Milligan used to be a first basement for
the Baltimore Orioles.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
What's the Milligan mass Scott oh.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Okay, Milligan is from Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
I saw Travis Steele was at the NKU Charleston game too.
He was visited with Chris Mac. Chris macbacking game and
got to win.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
RedHawks by the way, no votes to finish thirty fourth
in the AP Top twenty five Pole Kentucky just on
the outside looking in after their neutral floor victory over
Saint John's on Saturday. More on the Wildcats tonight of
the Mark Pope Radio Show at six on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Also Tonight hockey, the Columbus Blue Jackets skate on the
road against LA Before we continue, UH want to send

(18:39):
best wishes and our deepest condolences to our friend Jay
Morrison from Bengals Talk dot com. Jay is kind enough
to appear on my show every Thursday, and we love
having him. He shared on social media something this morning
that is heartbreaking. He lost his wife. Yeah, and uh suddenly,

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this was not expected. My understanding is she was going
to have a medical procedure. I don't know the specifics
of it, it's none of my business, but it was
not the sort of thing that was believed that was
going to cause any sort of long term complication.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
And apparently it went poorly.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
And that is understating it dramatically, but it took a
very catastrophic turn. And so my understanding is, and I'm
doing this based on reading Jay's Facebook post and his
Twitter feed he posted about it. I guess they were
taking her off life support today. Jay is awesome at
what he does. Sweetheart of a guy.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
He's awesome about what he does.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
But he's one of the like, genuinely one of the
nicest person people you love easily easily.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
We're going to run Zach Taylor's press conference at the
end of the show. Zach did something that I thought
was very classy without any prompting. Mentioned Jay at the
end of that press conference. But I want to send
our thoughts and condolences to.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Jay his children.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
They were together thirty seven years and I can't even
imagine what they're dealing with and what they're dealing with
the week of Christmas. So please keep Jay and his
family in your thoughts, and his social media feeds are open.
If you have social media, send him a nice message,
and I'm sure he would appreciate it. I'll very clumsily

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turn our attention to the AFC North. I don't know
what pass interference is anymore.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
I'm so confused on it.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Like for years it was what's a catch? Yeah, what's
a catch in the in an NFL game? Look, pass
interference is subjective. I'm not sure that I wanted to
be reviewed. But okay, fine. I watched Baltimore and New
England last night and Marlon Humphrey commits a tackle, tackles
a guy and like sits there and knows it. Ye,

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Like he's got this look on his face, like I'm
gonna get flagged for past interference, no call, blatantly tackling
the guy.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
I see Detroit and Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And look, the Steelers played well and deserved to win
that football game yesterday.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Give them credit for it.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
They were awesome on the ground with Warren gain Well
and Aaron Rodgers was more than competent yesterday.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
But Detroit's driving for a.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Game ending score and they're called for a pass interference
on a pick play that I see every NFL team run, and.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
It was it was like the least egregious pick I've
ever seen. Like the receiver was legit trying to get open,
he got shoved into the defender.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
And then following that up, the offensive pass interference on
Amaras Saint Brown I thought was weak.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Again, I see that right the Tivery rep.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
You can see that.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
It was just a what a terrible way to lose
if you're the Detroit Lions Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't know if you know this, nineteen straight years
where Mike Tomlin has not recorded a losing season.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
It's also been what nine straight years since he's wont
to play the game.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
It did feel like the Vultures were circling a couple
of weeks ago, and they've played some of their best
football in the last couple Yeah. Yes, and I think
they should get credit for that without TJ.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
Watt.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Baltimore on the other side struggled down the stretch. Lamar Jackson,
Will you talk about the availability of Joe Burrow Lamar
Jackson and what is going on with him this year?
That was a team co favorites in the AFC to
start the year for the Super Bowl. That is all
likelihood going to miss the playoffs. Now, Lamar's season has

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been weird. That defense, they're getting older, Derrick Henry, they
don't go to him when he's averaging seven yards of
carry in the fourth quarter with a backup quarterback in
Huntley was nine to ten.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
He was good, fine, But you.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Got a guy running the ball for seven yards of
carry and you go away from him. Credit to New England,
Credit to Drake May. I think Drake May in the
pocket is unbelievable, lethal, his pocket movement, the subtleness of
which he moves and keeps eyes down the field. It's
clinical but brutal. Brutal loss for Baltimore and a huge
win for Pittsburgh. Really, no one gave them a chance

(23:01):
to win.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Removing our Bengals fandom from the equation. Are the Ravens
the NFL's most disappointing team, Yes, I think so easily.
They were favorites, very clear favorites to win the division. Yeah,
got off to a one in five start, allowed the
Steelers to build a big lead. They were beaten by
the Bengals in their own building on Thanksgiving Night, and

(23:24):
not just beaten by you know, a field goal. They
were kind of manhandling in that game, and the up
Burrow came back, but it was his first game back.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
For them to finish.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Quite possibly with a losing record, for them quite likely
to not make the postseason.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
Like that, that that team to me is weird. John
Harball's done. They're getting older.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
But if you look at the last couple of years,
the amount of games they've lost, like last night's, Yeah,
double digit lead in the fourth quarter and they lose,
wasting another of what should be Lamar Jackson's prime year,
prime years, the Derrick Henry thing late in the game
last night, Like there is there's something weird.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
It's a well run franchise. They're probably gonna have another.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Great offseason, but like they've had really good teams. They
had the AFC Championship game in their building two years ago.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Didn't win.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
They had the two point conversion that Mark Andrews drops
last year in Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
They don't win.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Like you talk about like windows opening and closing, it
kind of feels like it's closing there. I do think
they are the NFL's most disappointing team.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Absolutely Again, like there was a there were people that
that and I knew you were one of them that
had Kansas City to missed the playoffs. Yes, you could
see the riding on the wall with how that.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Team was trending.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, man, I thought, like you said, Baltimore crushed the
off season moving in the right direction. It is massively,
massively disappointing. Again, Pittsburgh finds a way. I thought it
was brutal yesterday because I hate I think it. Judkins

(24:54):
has been awesome for Cleveland. I hate seeing him get
injured like that, and I think should do or say,
been pretty good. I think he's shown some signs that
he can play quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, over the
last couple of weeks, I think they have some good
hookies in place.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I don't know that what he has done would keep
me if I'm Cleveland from Traston a quarterback in the
top five, right, but he's played competently.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
The Judkins thing, I think is the most significant thing
that happened in the AFC North this weekend, busted Fibula
herd Ankle. He has been a bright spot. They've got
a lot of really good young rookies. No matter what
they're going to do this offseason. He kind of thought
they can build their offense around him.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Man in a weird game in the sense that here's
this opening in the AFC, Mahomes on the outside, Burrow
on the outside, Lamar on the outside, and Josh Allen
just kind of put together a whole hum day like
there's a pressure on Josh Allen like this better be
the year you get it. Yes, with the landscape of

(25:51):
the AFC, you better go get it here. And I
just don't think Buffalo has played clean the last couple
of games. No felt they find a way to win
against New England. Yeah, on the way to win yesterday.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Bengals were up ten in the fourth quarter on them.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yep. But AFC is interesting.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
And it's part of why this season from a Bengals
perspective is so disappointing because the AFC, if the Bengals
were even as cliche as it sounds, if they were
sneaking in as the seven more as a nine win
division champion, you would look at them with Burrow and
that offense in the AFC and go due.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Might be favored.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, Like I think if they were in, they'd go
to like Denver and be favored or at like a
one and a half point dog, right like almost to
pick them. Yeah, that's how good it can be.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I like what Jacksonville's doing right now. Went into Denver,
played like that New England with an impressive come from
behind win. Do you want to play the Houston Texans
right now? And that defense?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
The NFL doesn't have a Most Improved Player award, but
Dana Orlowski on TV this morning said if they did,
it would go to Trevor Lawrence. So I'm like, you
see to me and you and I have talked about this.
You see the value in coaching, Yeah, because that has
been guy who has been a victim of just not
being a part of a very stable organization. And now
there's some stability, there's good coaching, and it's bringing out

(27:09):
the best of that guy.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
And they finished with Indy and Tennessee. Yeah, if they
have a legit chance to make a run at.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
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Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, we are Tony and Mo Football Show. Bengals win.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
We'll take a college basketball detour a little bit later
on get to the college football playoff, the game plays,
and then all of these subsequent complaints. But I want
to talk about the story that came out late last
week where the Bengals turned down a trade off all
turn it down because they didn't even listen to it,
where the Dolphins were apparently going to give him four
count them four first round picks for the number one

(27:44):
overall selection that became Joe Burrow in the twenty twenty
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Speaker 5 (29:32):
Hopefully your Christmas holiday week is off to an awesome start.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
We are hanging out at Twin Peaks in Florence here
till six o'clock tonight. The Toni and Moo Football Show
moves to Twin Peaks in Westchester a week from today,
back here in Florence, two weeks for today for the
season finale. Bengals win yesterday afternoon knock off the Miami
Dolphins in Miami in South Florida, Cincinnati improving to five

(29:56):
and ten. A great day for Chase Brown, very good
and efficient day for Joe Burrow. The defense was opportunistic
and the Bengals put themselves in a position to finish
with seven wins.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
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Outside of us, you and me.

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Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah, what's stopping you from coming out here?

Speaker 5 (30:21):
Right, you're not really if you're if you're at work,
what do you do?

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Correct?

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Speaker 2 (30:38):
We're gonna get to some college football playoffs stuff a
little bit later on and maybe do a college basketball
detour in the last you and I have not had
a chance to talk about this, but in the run
up to the Bengals Dolphins game, with everybody revisiting the
twenty nineteen game and the twenty twenty draft, es Adam

(31:00):
Schefter reported that the Dolphins offered the Bengals four first
round picks in exchange for the number one overall selection
and the ability to draft Joe Burrow.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Schefter added that the Bengals declined to even engage in discussions,
and they shut down.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
The trade inquiry smart for it could gain any traction.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Smart.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
So, knowing what you know now, which is the career
trajectory of Joe Burrow, the success he has had and
the Bengals have had, and the failures that the two
have experienced. Knowing that, I think what we know about
the Bengals and their evaluation of the quarterback class that
year was that Justin Herbert would have been their number two.
Not to a tongue of Iiloa. Knowing what you know

(31:42):
about the Bengals draft history, with the benefit of hindsight
good and bad, should they have accepted that trade offer
and four first round picks for the number one overall
selection in the twenty Times draft?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Knowing now what Joe Burrow is, I mean to back
AFC championship games, the Super Bowl appearance. I know the
health has been an issue, but to his health has
been an issue. Herbert has been in and out. Herbert's
been inconsistent at times like you can't look and especially
as you mentioned the draft history, that's not guaranteeing.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
That the four first would be hits.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, you know, you guarantee to hit with Joe Burrow,
and you've set yourself up in this franchise up very
well going forward from that as well. So if I
looked at some of those shots of Steven Ross at
the game yesterday during the broadcast, he's probably thinking we
should have doubled that and went eight, maybe eight first
round picks. I'm listening, but no, I for no chance

(32:42):
with who and what Joe Burrow is.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I guess I agree the caveat being who are the
four picks?

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Like if you tell me those are three Pro Bowl players?
And then like a.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Fourth guy, who's and you got Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
An NFL caliber starting player? Like okay, Like that's one thing,
but it's just four picks. It's the ultimate unknown. A
first round pick could be Jamar Chase. The first round
pick could be Billy Price. A first round pick could be.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
A player.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
And I'm trying to think of anybody that they've taken
in the first round worth having this decade, like there
have been like so many or god, they're bad first
round choices that like first round pick doesn't do it
for me, in part because I don't know what it is.
I knew what Joe Burrow was, and I knew what
Justin Herbert was. I knew what Joe Burrow was. I
guess the part of this that we'll never know. We're

(33:35):
never going to know about a lot of these things.
The Bengals would not even engage. Then sure, let's say
they chose to what could they have ultimately gotten Miami
to offer six, Like if they're starting with we'll give
you four and the Bengals go, nah, but come back
to us, what does that offer look like?

Speaker 5 (33:53):
I think that would be fascinating.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Because clearly there is a point that you would go
to right where you would go, okay, fine, as much
as we love Burrow, if you're gonna give me this.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Right, it would make it so we think we can
still land Herbert.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
It would make sense to pull the trigger. But as
rich as a as four first rounders sound, I don't
know that that package.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Makes me go, yeah, I get out of for Burrow.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Not enough my take going into the twenty twenty draft,
because it's not like this wasn't talked about, but my
take was, look, you've got a Solvet quarterback. You need
a franchise quarterback. Here's one available to you. If you
like him, and if you're convinced he's the guy, then
go forward with him.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
And I still feel that way right and that evaluation
was correct, yes, one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
I mean again, the injuries.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Aside that Joe Burrow's healthy, he's either the best or
one of the two or three best in the NFL. YEP,
and you have that for the foreseeable future for your franchise.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
So it's an interesting hypothetical.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Eight maybe I'm talking differently.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well yeah, like again, like seven, what is the length
that the Dolphins would have gone to and they picked
fifth that year, right, So it's not like there wasn't
a quarterback.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
They took one and the two one tigo I loa
thing hasn't worked out.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
But what I what I would want to know is
if the Bengals, if the Bengals came back to the
Dolphins and said, we'll talk to you before is not
going to do it. Would that would the Dolphins have
just said, okay, fine, that's our best offer, or would
they have up the anny at all?

Speaker 4 (35:23):
What they went to?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Six?

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Seven? Right? I just wanted to get a six to
seven reference for you.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Thanks, thanks very much. I need more of that in
my life. I need more of that in my life.
But if you are convinced that the dude we could
take a number one overall is the guy, and by
the way, they have been right about that. He has
been the guy. He's been an MVP finalist twice, he
has helped you.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Get to the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Those four first rounders doesn't do it for me as
rich as that is, and as much as I do
understand the value of.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
First round there rounds.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, it could be seventh overall, tenth overall, you know, well,
top five, like, there's a lot of camveats that go
into that.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Miles Murphy is a first round pick. Dax Hill is
a first round pick.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
I would not take four Miles Murphy's for Joe Burrow. Right,
Billy Price, and we talked very well. Miles Murphy, Joona
Williams nice player is a first round pick. You didn't
play like one like if you want to say, well,
the Bengals would have gotten three Pro bowlers and a
starting caliber NFL player, eh, but for first rounders, there's
so many unknowns. There Chances are one or two or

(36:29):
three or four of those guys aren't gonna work out.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
I'm happy with Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Yep. The Bengals made the right decision. Huh about that?

Speaker 3 (36:37):
But that on your twenty twenty five Bingo card before
the season ends. Bengals right decision. But I do think
it would have been interesting if the Bengals had at
least said, well, listen, but I'm not listening at four
like you said, do the Dolphins come back and say,
all right, thanks for listening, or well what about this.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Or had the Bengals said, hey, we've got this offer
from the Miami Dolphins for first rounders.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Anybody want to do five?

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Any takers? Any takers? Man, what's the bidding war go
up to?

Speaker 5 (37:13):
That's to me, that's the fascinating.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
And again, like it were different levels to it, Like
this year, Fernando Mendoza wins the Heisman, I'm not giving
up four first round picks. No, Burrough came off statistically
the greatest college football season of all time from a
quarterback right, and by all accounts, showed the understanding of
offense and being able to make plays. You could see

(37:37):
his greatness. That's different. There are levels to that each
and every year, and that was certainly the exception.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Let's talk about the college football player.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
We are talking about another way season.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
The college football player.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Let's get people big mad again.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
When we big Mad come back.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Notre Dame has overtaken SEC Schools as the best team
in any hypothetical game.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yes, the college football they would dominate. They would dominate
favorite in every game any one.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
Of those teams have played. This weekend.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
They would dominate some other NFL teams. Yes, bumps, all right,
we are going to spend some time on the CFP
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(39:46):
college football playoff. My favorite thing about this weekend, aside
from all the hypothetical games that Notre Dame jehan, was
one that was seventeen to nothing, Oklahoma over Miami over Alabama.
Early social looking at social media, a lot of tweets
got deleted. Yep, a lot of.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Tweets got deleted by the time people went to bed
on Friday.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah, it is uh look shout out to Alabama and
Oklahoma because it was easily the most entertaining game. Yes
of the college football playoff weekend.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Now that said, and I'll let you finish your thumb.
I enjoyed Miami, Texas A and M I wish that.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Game was at night. I wish that wasn't the first
game of the day. Yes, like that. That was my
only gripe about that, And watching Michael Irving on the
sideline terrifies a little bit much. Yeah, like Friday night
was awesome. Both those teams played well. Shut and give
it credit to Alabama, but the amount of people that
come out as soon as Alabama went down, and mostly

(40:41):
Notre Dame fans or Vanderbilt fans are like, I get
it to an extent. Yes, this weekend would have been
more fun if eleven and twelve were vand and Notre Dame.
It would have made better games. You could the BYU
in there as well. Yeah, but that's not the way
the system has been set up. When it was four teams,
everyone complained about teams five and six. Now it's twelve teams,

(41:05):
and people complained about teams thirteen and fourteen and giving
automatic bids two different.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Groups and levels.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Like, I'm not I can't take away what James Madison
did during the year that was the system that's been
put in place, correct, they thrived in it. Tulane same thing.
They lost Ole Miss forty five to ten in the
regular season. You knew what was coming, yeah, but they
played the system the right way and that's how they
they earned their right. Ten other teams earned their rights

(41:32):
as well. Those two automatic qualifiers earned at the same level.
So it's hard for me because one, I think the
system is flawed. Very On the other hand, though, like
it's not James Madison and Tulane's fault that the system
is flawed. I credit them for the season they had,
but the games would have been much more entertaining had

(41:54):
James Madison and Tulane not played in them.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
I'm sympathetic to the little guy.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
I'm just I'm not sure that in as much as
the playoff field has obviously expanded, we're still only talking
about a handful of games. You know. This is why
I like, I don't love the comparison to the NCAA Tournament.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
The NCAA Tournament gives us sixty seven games.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
There's going to be blowouts, and there's gonna be mismatches,
and you will find in there Cinderella Football's a different
type of sport entirely. I think a Cinderella is less
likely in a sport like football, which is so much
more physical, where so many other things have to happen.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
You only get eleven games. I don't know that you
want one or two of them. And again, this was
a different type of year.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
The ACC's weird tiebreakers put us in this situation to
a degree. I don't know that you want games that
look like James Madison versus Oregon, which was not as
close as the final score. I don't know that you
want games like that. I'll say this, I'm I have
a soft spot in my heart for the little guy,

(42:59):
in part because I'm a UC fan. But Group of
five college football has been significantly weakened. Utah is no
longer a G five school it was right back in
the in the two thousands. UCF is no longer a
G five school. Houston is no longer a G five school.
Boise State, Cincinnati, Like we're talking about schools in teams

(43:20):
that had superlative seasons. What you see did in twenty
twenty one is not the same as what James Madison
did this year. You see went on the road and
beat Notre Dame, who finished fifth in the rankings that year.
You see went on the road and played a Big
ten team and beat them. They ran through their schedule,
they didn't lose a game. They had this sort of

(43:41):
season that would have put them in the playoff at twelve.
I know that because it put them in the playoff
at four. I think you're gonna have to tell these
G five schools there's a way for you to make it,
but you're gonna have to have a special season.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
You're gonna have to do something that is beyond the Organs.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Nison Louislle by fourteen.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Madison was ranked twenty fourth, Tulane was ranked twentieth. Yeah,
I think you're gonna have to set a tighter range
inside which those schools need to be ranked for them
to make the playoff. I don't think you want in
the college football playoff games.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
You'll have exceptions. Upsets do happen.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
You'll have a team that just has a great game plan,
or maybe they have a quarterback who's at a level
that he shouldn't be. But I think more often than not,
if you have G five schools in that aren't ranked
in the top twelve or in the top fifteen, you're
gonna have games that look like Old Miss versus Tulane
or James Madison versus Oregon.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
And like for Oregon and Old Miss, if I'm the
team's playing them, I'm pissed because now I'm like, well,
this team gets a buy Yeah, they get to play
a home game and less time in between having to play.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
They're more game ready right now.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Like I think right now, based on last year, none
of the teams would buys one.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
If I could pick a perfect spot, ou want to
be the fifth ranked team. You host number twelve, and
then you play on a neutral site the fourth ranked team.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Yep, the last of the buys h five is the
sweet spot.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Because you look right now like Ohio State's last game
was in their Big Ten championship on December sixth, They're
gonna play December thirty first, that is, and that's if
you make your conference title game. That's an absurd amount
of time in between games. That's what I like right now. Like,
I like Texas Tech a lot, Organ's favorite in that game.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
Yes, Texas Tech is getting a point in a half.
I will take it.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Yeah, I like I like Teching that game.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
But like, if I'm Indiana, I'm not as comfortable waiting
all this time and watching Bama get confident. I'm not
if I'm Georgia. Let Old Miss without Lane Kiffin get
a game under their belt with talent.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
And I feel like with Alabama, the time to get
them was Friday because of all the stuff.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Swirling around Caitlin.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Now that's quieted, and now that's quieted, and it feels
like there's a chance there'll be more focused going into
that game than they looked on Friday.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
And even if you're Ohio State, you're favored by a lot,
but your kryptonite was you got beat up on the
offensive and defensive line. In Miami's lines were dominant against
Texas A and M. So this is the weird shift
now because you get in and you get to buy
and it's like great season. But now you almost start
to think, is it too long in between games to wait?

(46:20):
Like Ohio State's last game was a game they got
out physical thirteen to ten. Now they're gonna come up
against a team who's more game ready right now because
they've played in that short amount of time. Like that,
to me is the part of the system that I
don't like I don't like that the amount of time
these guys have to wait.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, look, I think what we saw, especially because these
first round games are on campus, you can draw up
the bracket on that Saturday, that first Saturday, you can
have games the next weekend. You're not asking, correct, you're
not asking fans and travel. They're gonna be on campus sites.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
You can turn.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I think what we learned during COVID was you can
put together games pretty quickly.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
Right, So I would just move everything up.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
The national title game is going to be on the
nineteenth of January.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
That's four weeks.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
From today, if I'm not mistaken, I would move everything
up and put those teams that are in a bye
in a better position to be ready. I would also
play the quarterfinal games on campus sites.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Like, I just that there should be that should be
a reward for the top four teams college football.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
And you make us waite, we're playing a whole game,
right what.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
They do with the ball games, I frankly don't care.
But like Miami and Ohio State should be in Columbus.
Can you imagine Bloomington hosting Alabama? Like would be awesome,
would be awesome.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
The caveat to having them wait so long as you
get to play it at home. Right now, what gets
lost in this? And I feel bad for all of
these quarterfinal games? You get Ohio State plays on New
Year's Eve, the other three play on New Year's Day?
But how many people are focused on New Year's Day?
When the day after New Year's the Bearcats and Navy

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in the Liberty Bowl a little bit of a look ahead.
It's a look ahead for a lot of fans, Like
I could turn on the TV on the first, or
I could just rest and lock into games on January second.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, it's a little bit of a letdown, right, it's
you're serving up too big of an appetizer on the first. Yeah,
for the main course on the sect. Give us a
day off in between, you know, Samas Jones and Brady
Litzenberger and take the country by storm with what they
do against Navy.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
The midshipmen.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
The midshipmen are not going to know how to handle that.
Three to three, five of Tyson Vite couldn't agree more.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I mean, it's that was my only thought, like looking
at the schedule, like, oh yeah, that's not fair.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Three games and you've got to think by by the
time we get to the third game of the day
on the first, there's gonna be okay.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
I've had enough.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Yeah, I'll tune back in tomorrow to.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
Get my mind right for the Liberty Bowl.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah, get it.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
I understand it's tough.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I do think it's going to be interesting to see
in what year they do expand to sixteen. I do
think it's going to be interesting moving forward to see
how they handle uh G five schools and again.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Like I.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Want everybody to have a chance. I think college football
is full of snobbery, and I think that applies to
schools like Indiana and Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech that are
kind of new to the party and the old guard
looks down their noses at them. I think there are
SEC fans of today. You the entire playoff field should
be SEC schools. I just as a fan, I want

(49:26):
great games, and if I only get eleven playoff games,
I don't want one or two of them to be
almost guaranteed lopsided games. And I think you had that
this year. I think you have to reduce the possibility
of that being hurt.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Like I tune in, I'm like this is boring. Yeah,
it's just it.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
Takes away for a path a little bit James Madden, and.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
It's like, man, it's just right, what should be an
exciting time twelve teams, this is it.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
It just it takes aways done a little bit and
then you gotta wait forever, yeah, to get the next
round in.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
And then you do get them in the NCAA Basketball tournament. Okay,
that's happening, but there's two other games happening at the
same time, right, or it's one out of sixty seven,
or there's gonna be a game on next And also,
I think the likelihood of you know, we've we've obviously
had a sixteen win in Maryland Baltimore County, and we've
seen Purdue go down and we watched Kentucky lose to Oak.

(50:19):
Like upsets do happen, I think they're more likely in
a sport like basketball, where a guy can get hot
from outside, there is the three point shot, there's a
lot of variables that aren't necessarily there in football, where
eventually I think the bigger, stronger, faster team is gonna win.
Maybe not in the most lopsided fashion, but they're gonna win.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
And you're also hurting your product. What else happened on Saturday?
Two NFL games right in a loaded slate of college basketball? Yes,
so what are you asking people to do? Yeah, go
to a different product. Yeah, here are two blowouts. Well
I'm gonna go check out I'm gonna go check out
Texas Tech and Duke. I mean, oh, Chicago and green
Bear playing. All right, I'll flip the TV over.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
I was in Greenville on Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
The only thing I can cared about was Bears, Packers
and Texas Tech Duke. Now, if on ATV was JMU
versus Oregon, sure, okay, fine, and if it's close, I'll
pay attention. But it's not going to be Give me
Texas Tech, Duke, give me Packers Bears. Both were going
to be better games. Both were a better Gameypes. It
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fun week sixteen in the NFL. Yeah, starting with Thursday
night with that game between the Rams and the Seattle Seahawks.
I have consumed all the Rams kool aid all year long, yep,
I'm not selling my stock.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
No, I still think they are, at the end of it,
the favorite in the NFC.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
How about them as a five seed?

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Yikes?

Speaker 5 (53:56):
How about them going to Carolina?

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Wouldn't be fun for the Panthers. Although the Panthers a
huge win, huge win over the Bucks. Stafford's been phenomenal.
They were without Davante Adams Pookaakua out of this world.
Right now they can run it. Their defense has to
get better. You want to talk about though, no nonsense.

(54:19):
Here's a team that was literally playing for a number
one overall seed. Things didn't go the way McVeigh fires
this special teams coach a.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Little bit different in LA huh Like you.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Want to talk about urgency. Hey, we're trying to win this.
This isn't good enough or moving on?

Speaker 5 (54:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (54:35):
That is I I want that in my head.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Coach, you're not pulling up your your end of the
of the bargain here, You're out see yea, And that
sends that. That sends a message to the rest of
the staff and the team.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
I'm rooting for the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
I am too. I'm not. I don't know why I'm
not sold on it. Yet.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
But man, Caleb Williams and his turnaround, what Ben Johnson
has done there. I mean you remember the start of
the year and Detroit went and like scored fifty one
on him, and it was like, man, it's Ben Johnson
in over his head.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
And they've been awesome.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah, ever since then, and it's like been weird ways, right,
they score and get the on side kick and then score.
It's it's not been conventional by any means, but they
are fun to watch.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Well, we saw how they beat the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, and that's kind of been the script they followed
all year long.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
How sustainable that's going to be? In good decision?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I don't know game and Caleb Williams has his skeptics,
and I'm not going to say I'm not among them,
but there's nothing like feeling like as an organization, you've
got your coach and you've got your QB.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
And I think there's reason to feel that in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, you mentioned the Jags before six consecutive victories. What
does that loss say about the Denver Broncos, who were
at home yesterday and lost by multiple scores.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I think yesterday honestly said more about how good the
Jags are. Yeah, like it feels like the Broncos have
been flirting with it for a while now, Jags, man,
they stopped the run. ETN is coming on and you
were talking about matching a coach with a quarterback Cohen
and Trevor Lawrence. It just fits like it's weird in
the AFC people talking about the Patriots and and and

(56:14):
the teams. I'd be worried about the Texans and the
Jags right now. Those would be the teams. And the
Chargers could could theoretically catch the Broncos still at this point.
So you know, what the Chargers did to Dallas I
thought was impressive. But the way the Jaguars have played
and the defense has been consistent. But all of a sudden,
Trevor Lawrence is now shaping into the guy that I

(56:36):
think a lot of people hoped he would be. And
they I think one of the under the radar signings
or the free agent moves, trade deadline Jacoby Myers. They
love Jacoby Myers, and they've done it without Travis Hunter,
who's been on the IR for some time. So that's
an interesting team to watch and I think a legitimate contender.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yet it too AFC being wide open. Lawrence, It's never
been a question of talent. We talked earlier about the
matching of him with Leam Cohen and how much coaching
matters in this league.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I still think and they were in a bigger dog
fight than anybody ever would have imagined, and c J.
Stroud wasn't very good. You could convince me the Texans
win the AFC. You can convince me they lose their
first game and maybe handily.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I just they've not been consistent enough on offense. Yeah,
their defense is awesome, terrific, But you know, if a
team can score a couple early and put them away,
but if that team's playing from ahead with c J.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Stroud in that defense, good luck.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
Mentioning the Bears.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
After the game, Caleb Williams shouted into microphones that his
coach is the best in the world, Ben Johnson, could
you ever see Joe Burrow doing that about Zath Taylor?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
No, to a point, Aaron Rodgers and Cam Hayward kind
of did that with Mike Tomlin walking off the field.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Sure, But I think that it's interesting because Pittsburgh a
few games ago, fans are channing fire Tomlin and the
players and say what you want about Mike Tomlin and
the Steelers, and I like it when they're bad. And again,
they haven't had a losing season now under Mike Tomlins. Yeah,
but I do think it's interesting the fans are channing

(58:20):
fire Tomlin and the players had a visceral reaction to that,
a public reaction to that. Zach Taylor's got a guy
putting up billboards about it, which, by the way, cool,
Yeah to me, Like, no different than somebody calling a
talk show.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
So don't you want to do your money?

Speaker 5 (58:37):
Your money?

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Hell, call on a talk shows free. I'm not gonna
charge you whatever that billboard.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
In talk show and say you want Zach Taylor fire
or you could pay for a billboard.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Or do both.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
So well, any of the players have this obvious response
to You might say that their performance yesterday was the response.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
But like them winning, Like are they running off the
field with Zach Yeah it's our guy. No, No, it was.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
There was none of that, No, but just five And
should there.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Be no, that would be more worrisome, That would be
a lot a lot more worrisome.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, well, they did win, and we are going to
talk about it coming up in the five o'clock hour,
and we.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Got a lot to get to.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
We're gonna take no.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Last week we took a college basketball detour because we
had a chance to talk to Richard Patina. Sure he
is not available available Cooley, I'm telling you, man, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
If that's any number of other.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
College basketball coaches pasted or that throw a water bottle
into the stands and hit a child, can you even imagine.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
If that was me and my kids sitting there, I'd
put on a lebron Worthy flop. I'd be on the floor.
My kid would be on the floor. Wouldn't be good.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
When Bob Huggins was that you see?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Or Westfridge if he turns around flings a water bottle
in the stands and it hits a kid, can you
even And again, whatever criticism would have come his way,
he would have deserved.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
Ed Cooley does.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Gets a game, Yeah, I gets a one game.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
I think it's against Coppin State.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Maybe, Yeah, all right, slap on the wrist.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I can you imagine some of the bigger name can
you Jim Beheim?

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
My kid would be in a neck brace.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Imagine Mike Krzyzewski decides I'm gonna throw a water bottle.
I this It's just like, uh yeah, that's unfortunate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yep, it's unbelievable. And Ed Cooley's a good coach, but
the Wes Miller threw one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
It is twelve minutes away from five o'clock where at
Twin Peaks in Florence. It's the Tony College Basketball Detour
is coming up. Last week we had on Richard Patino.
The week before that, we had to talk about the
Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout.

Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
There were games this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
We are gonna take a college basketball dtot for as
much as I don't think either of us want to
turn it up in the five o'clock hour and the
contractionally obligatory airing of Zach Taylor's press conference as well
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Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Gee Power Hour, Yes, five o'clock hour of the Tonian
Mo Football Show. We are broadcasting from Twin Peaks in Florence.
It is awesome to be here the Monday of Christmas
and the day after the Bengals beat the Miami Dolphins
forty five to twenty one. If you are out in
about in northern Kentucky, it's it's Christmas week, right, What.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Are we doing?

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
Nobody's nobody's working.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Why aren't you here?

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Nobody wants to cook? So come to Twin Peaks. Pick
off the menu. They got tons of awesome food beers
called pot roase. Guy, I gotta I got a cold
Budweiser in front of me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
That's kind of changed my life.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I mean for years here I was just chicken tenders
or Barker.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
I got the flatbread today, which was outstanding.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Pot roast has changed.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Next week or go pot roast.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
We'll be back in Westchester next week. Right off, I
seventy five. Get off at the Turfway Road exit. You'll
be here in seconds. You can watch the Monday night
football game tonight Colts and forty nine ers. You got
all the college football playoff action coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Maybe tomorrow your bored during the day, there's day basketball.
The Wildcats play Bellerman.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Tomorrow is is tomorrow Miami's bulgain the the sup.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
See now I'm gonna have to pause the show so
i can look.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
I'm almost certain I know the bush beans.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
One more, if you bring beans in to the Louisville
ball game, you get in free.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
I know that one's.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
Tomorrow, almost certain, Top twenty Fi.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Mac Snoop Dog's Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Suddenly, Suddenly, ESPN's the interface. I don't know Miami's ball game.
You see, I sound really really really good and really prepared.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Miami plays. That's not tomorrow. Tomorrow's Louisville and Toledo in
the Boca Raton.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
That's the Bush's be Yeah, if you're bringing beans, you
get a free ticket.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
That's Miami's game.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Miami plays. Oh, Miami's game is on the twenty seventh. Okay,
that's a good segment right there. All right, So well
you can still watch the game here, Yeah, twenty seventh,
twenty seventh, they got all those ball games, yep, some
NFL games on the twenty seventh. You can watch any
sport you want to watch. Your twin peaks in Florence,
So do that. Yeah, beers cold TVs are plentiful.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
I mean, if you're working today, surely you're not working tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Without Who's You're not working tomorrow thanks to Kentucky, thanks
to the UK bass I will work tomorrow after UK basketball.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
A nice ninety minute show. Nice before the holiday.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
We'll get together on Christmas for a Christmas Morning spectacle
of course.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
We're gonna leave our families Christmas morning to hang out
with Lance and Austin yep, and recap the year that
was in Cincinnati sports.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
What a positive show that should be.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
I'm not sure what's gonna be worse, the look back
or the look ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
That's good. That's a good point.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Let's look back to yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Bengals did beat the Miami Dolphins forty five to twenty one.
That yesterday is what it should look like. Dominant offensive performance,
terrific game by Joe Burrow. Chase Brown was awesome. T
Higgins was great, Jamar Chase was good, weaponry all over
the place.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
They blocked for him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
The defense was good ish, they were opportunistic, They were
certainly better in the second half. That's what it should
look like whether you're playing a lousy, checked out team
like the Miami Dolphins, or a good team. Unfortunately, what
it looked like most of the season is not reflective
of what it looked like yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
That yesterday was the definition of a middle of the
pack defense for the Bengals. That's all they got to be,
be that middle of the pack defense. And if you
have Joe Burrow, T Higgins, Jamar Chase, and Chase Brown
on the field together more times than not, you're going
to win more games than you lose.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
It's as simple as that. You could talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
You know, the Cam Grandy catch yesterday, big catch, Drew Sample.
People talk about Darnell Washington. You imagined Drew Sample bearing
down on you after that throw from Joe Burrow. Burrow
found nine different receivers. We talked about it. Jamar Chase
is so good it feels like if he's not getting
one hundred yards, something happened in the game. He's that

(01:06:42):
dominant right now. T Higgins coming back and playing. You
and I watched every practice of training camp and every
day Chase Brown was one of the first on the
field not doing running back stuff, catching passes. He wanted
to be a three down back. You wanted to be
a pass catcher. He's that more this year. He's he's

(01:07:02):
got a thousand yard rushing season that's attainable. A little
under one hundred and sixty yards he needs in the
last two games. But what he's done as a complete
back and a pass catching thread out of the backfield,
you can Yesterday was the glimpse when it all comes together. Offensively,
just how good and how fun this is.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
Did it alter anybody's opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
It better not have.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
I think that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Shouldn't you hate to do this because this franchise does
have a track record of allowing some largely meaningless results
to impact really meaningful decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
But offensively, it shouldn't. Like offensively, the decisions are made.
You got to find probably a wide receiver number three, yeah,
and maybe some depth.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
They need depth on the offensive line, and I think
long term, you got to think about what you're gonna
do a left tackle in its center.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
But that unit's fine. You're gonna bring back Jamar t Chase.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
Eric All.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Eric All will hopefully come back. I hope to god
that dude gets a chance to play, because for those
four or five games last year when they started to
shift how they played offensively. Yep, he was everything I've
wanted in a tight end my entire adult life, and
I just I hope it works out for the guy.

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
But offensively you're good. Here's the thing about this offseason.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
And then this is in large part because the offensive
line has been pretty good. And again, you can never
have enough. You can never have enough offensive line depth.
Correct development with the younger guys does need to continue.
But there's only one thing they have to do now.
That one thing is huge. You got to overhaul his defense.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
That's that's the worry.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
But it's not overhaul the defense and overhaul the offensive line.
And I think at the beginning of the season we
were wondering, are they gonna have to do both? Now
you gotta tweak one and add to one and overhaul
the other.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Yeah, And it's like again at the root of it,
still have an understanding his quin yours. It's Jacobe and
it should dor Sanders. Regardless of what happens in the
next two. The defense should look better, should al Golden
should get the letter D back in his name. He
should earn that over the last two. That's really the one,
Like m on what you're watching the out line. Get

(01:09:16):
that D back in his name because he lost it
throughout the year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
The last Tony and Mode football show, I'll bring the
letter D yep, and we'll see if we give it
back to him.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
I'm yes, I agree, But but again, this this off
season should be met with urgency and in a higher expectation.
Last year, riding out the stretch, they sniffed the playoffs,
and this organization said, I don't think we're as far off.
We don't need any big changes. You can't approach this

(01:09:44):
offseason this way. And I do think it is worth
noting Ryan Ricos had a heck of a year. Okay,
Evan McPherson's had a great bounce.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
Back, no question, and that was the correct special.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Teams you feel better about Rico. I mean, I think
the coffin corner stuff should be worked on. He's got
a monster leg.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
If I need him to kick the ball sixty yards,
he's awesome. If I need him to hit a web shot,
then you know, put it inside the ten that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Work on the pitching wage.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
But yeah, McPherson people went into the season like, hey,
McPherson needs and he's had a great year.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
Yeah, So you feel better about that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Nothing over these final couple weeks should change how much
help this defense.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Needs, right And to me, what they did yesterday on
offense is confirmation of the urgency they should act with
to get this fixed immediately, because if you do, that's
the offense that can carry you to the postseason next year.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Can you build around that a defense that puts you
back in the championship conversation? Yeah, like, that's that is
the There are two main questions to this offseason for me,
and they are related. One is, can you lift your
offense to a championship level by building a good enough defense?
You we've talked about the whole like have a league

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average defense thing. I get that, But in the fourth
quarter of games that are closed, can you get stops
in the fourth quarter of games when you're down by
a score and you want to give the ball back
to Joe Burrow? Can you do it in the fourth
quarter of games where you're up for and you're trying
to salt the game away, does your defense get stops?
If the answer is yes, offensively they're good enough, Like
yesterday was tantalizing. Yesterday to me was evidence of if

(01:11:22):
you can fix.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
This one thing?

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Look at what you have over here that is more
than good enough. So that's one question and the other
one is one that you and Austin have talked about
a ton, and that's if you don't make changes, can
you still have change?

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
If it does, changes aren't gonna equal firings, and so
can the same people change how they do things? And this,
to me is gonna be something we talk about separately
and together for months on end. If we assume it's
gonna be Duke and Zach and this coaching staff, are
there going to be changes something you have hit on

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for years?

Speaker 5 (01:11:57):
Zach Taylor is a play caller.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Will this be an offseason where they go, you know what,
maybe there's a better way to function on offense and
maybe that involves Zach Taylor relinquishing play calling duties. Is
there going to be a shift in how they evaluate
college prospects where now it's not going to be what
the tape measure says, it's gonna be what the film says.
It's not gonna be your forty time, it's gonna be
can you play football? Did you do things when you

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were playing football? Are they going to add to the staff.
Are they going to be analytics people, Are there going
to be scouts, all that sort of stuff that to me,
those are the two main questions. Can they take that
offense and around it build a defense that is good
enough to eventually soon be back in the championship conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
My goal, if I was Duke Toven and this organization
in the offseason would be to make Joe Burrow feel
like he can win a super Bowl here again and
that he doesn't have to be perfect every game to
do it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
That's my goal, Yeah, because if you address all the
things you just highlight, then you're sending that message to
Joe Burrow, Hey, we can win a super Bowl here
and you don't have to be for.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Us to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Those are two things that need to be presented to
Joe Bartrow. Not because Joe's gonna walk away, but that's
what you should be operating in if you're an organization,
you've got a franchise guy, one of the best in
the league, to do it, show him that he can
win a title here and show him that he doesn't
have to be perfect every time he steps on the
field to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Yeah, this Joe Burrows psychoanalysis, which God knows I've participated in.
I am over because I think the solution is obvious.
How they do it might not be easy. Just give
Joe a better chance, yep, Give them a better chance.
Have performances like yesterday matter. Have performances like the ones
they've wasted.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
Matter. And at the end of the day, I mean
to me, of all the losses.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
This year that we will go back and talk about
when the season is over, the one that stands out
the most is the Buffalo game. Yeah, because number one,
for about forty five minutes in that game, we thought, like, dude, they.

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
May re enter the conversation here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Number two, the moment Joe made a mistake, the chances
of winning went away, right. And what is Disfranchise's brand
is QB play must be perfect. And on that day
it was really good, but it wasn't perfect, so they
didn't win.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
It's exhausting, YEP. Talked about it's mentally exhausting going forward.
So I hope, you know, for for their sake, I
hope that that that message is sent because it should be.
You should be trying to build a championship contender.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
Should be we'll see, we'll.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
See right, talk tomally what it comes down to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
But I I kind of look at yesterday through a
more positive lens of duke, like half the work's done
for you, yep. Like you have Burrow, Chase, Higgins, Brown
and whatever other pieces you want to build around on
offense and a and an years a trending in the
right direction offensive line. Like, dude, how many gms dukes

(01:14:56):
of de facto GM You may have heard, how many
gms have a lot of work to do this offseason,
but at least have that. It's like we talk about
with the Reds and Nick Crawl is screwing up this offseason.
But hey man, Nick, you do have Hunter Green, Nicolodolo,
Andrew Abbott, Chase Burns down the road, Chase, Like a
lot of gms who are trying to make their team
better would love to have that. How many gms who

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have their work cut out for in this offseason would
love to have that offense that was on this play yesterday?

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
And all you got to do is tinker with that
side of the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
They don't need a tinker overhaul. You need.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
A starting caliber defensive tackle. In free agency, you need
a starting caliber edge rusher in free agency. You need
a linebacker who can cover in free agency. You need
a legitimate NFL caliber starting safety in free agency, and
you probably need a corner in free agency. Right, and
that those aren't all going to be all pro players,

(01:15:54):
but you need upgrades them from other teams.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
I'm not talking about the draft, correct.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
You need reads, proven guys, yeah, that have done it
before at a high level in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
So it ain't tinker.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
You're right, there's a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
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going to be focused pretty much on one team.

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A few minutes here at Twin Peaks in Florence, Tony
Above Football Show. Just saw this on ESPN DK Metcalf
gets a two game suspension for the incident with the
fan yesterday in Detroit, so he is done for the
regular season. He'll miss this week and the finale. They
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or may not mean anything.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Ay Week eighteen, take care of the Browns. They're good.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
Yes, number is one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Yeah, I mean Baltimore starts to go and win at
Green Bay Saturday night, and then they would need Cleveland
to beat Pittsburgh and then would come down to the
final week.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
So the Chiefs are going to move to Kansas Wow
twenty thirty one, leaving Arrowhead Stadium, plays they have called
home since nineteen seventy two. And I thought I had
one other NFL note that I was going to mention.
I totally forgot what it was. Must not have been
that important.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Nope, Monday Night Football, the Ageless Wonder Philip Rivers. So
what do you make of San Francisco this year?

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
M Kyle Shannon hanshon be the coach of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Their schedule has been so weak, it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Has been like, I don't know, they have ten wins.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
How good are they?

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Like in the NFC wise, like they they're not very
well win at all or they could get bounce in
the first round.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Yes, pretty well, but I would say that about a
lot of different teams. Yeah, I don't put them in
the same category as I would La.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Man McCaffrey's so good though, But you know what, Like
you know, they only have like fifteen or sixteen and
a half sacks? Which team they don't get after the passer.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Would you give him no chance against Chicago? Would you
give him no chance against Philadelphia? Would you give him
no chance against No, That's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Like, I think they would have a chance like their Achilles.
I think they have sixteen and a half sacks as
a team, right, They just don't get after the passer.
They lost Bosa early in the year, but you want
to talk about a team that battled injuries. Yes, Fred Warner,
Bosa should be the coach of the Year. Rock Cardy
missed a lot of time. They made it work with
Mac Jones.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
Philip Rivers is a fun story. He didn't play well. No,
he was competent.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
That's why I'm interested in Lea seeing tonight. Yeah, let
me see him with a couple more days in the system.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
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A reminder, we are back on Monday, though at the
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the Bengals take on the Arizona Cardinals, and then back
here for the season finale two weeks from today Twin
Peaks in Florence. You know here, Zach Taylor's press conference.
Excuse me, in just a couple of minutes, let's do this,

(01:21:14):
because we've done this the last couple of weeks. College
basketball detour. I was there in Greenville yesterday, and I
didn't have a great feeling about the game itself. Clemson's
good Bearcats. When they've played high major opponents so far
this season, they've either not won, or they've let games

(01:21:37):
get away, or they've played large, non competitive stretches.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
But when it was eleven and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Nothing yesterday, yeah, I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
They fell behind twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Late in the first turn, I thought that they were
going to lose the game by forty five points.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
I thought at one point the Bengals would outscore the
Bearcats yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
We throw the phrase in sports around at times, men
versus boys. That's what it looked like yesterday. And Clemson's
a good team. They're not a top five Big twelve team.
So I watched it in the lens of what's coming up.
I watch and think, Okay, we're almost through a non
conference late, and it doesn't feel like there's any indication

(01:22:20):
that that Wes Miller has a feel for what the
lineup should be. Kirk creesea didn't play in the second
half yesterday. Seanna Bibe didn't play in what the last
eleven minutes yesterday, didn't start the second half, Gigsel James
played thirty minutes. Like it it feels like here we
are December twenty second, and it feels like they're just
starting the season and figure trying to figure out rotations.

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They don't play well off of each other, they said,
like the first possession of the game was what shot
turnover by Kirk creer like out of timeouts they're not great,
And I don't I don't fully understand it because I
think there are some individual pieces that can play basketball,
they just can't play as a unit, and the best

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teams in the country they do.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
I text you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Over the weekend, I watched the whole game between Texas
Tech and Duke. Texas Tech had seven players. Jacob Toppen
went out with three fouls. Texas Tech had their tallest
player was six to six. They had no front court
healthy in the game. They beat Duke and overcame a
seventeen point deficit. Houston toyed with Arkansas at times put

(01:23:30):
up ninety plus points. Arizona's the best team in the country.
Iowa State has a road win at Purdue. The Big
Twelve is so good this year.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
But like, it's not even those teams, it's how are
they going to beat TCU? Yeah, how are they going
to beat UCF Baylor, who's in the top twenty five
in offensive efficiency?

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
Ken Palm?

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
How are they going to beat Oklahoma State, who's eleven
and one? Like, I mean, it's it's easy to look
at Arizona, Iowa State, Houston, BYU, those are top ten teams,
is sixteenth and ten pum Texas Tech. You mentioned them
beating Duke, forget those games. How are they going to
beat the middle of the pack teams in the Big

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twelve that we thought, or at least hope Cincinnati would
be lumped in with.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
And I'm so over like, well, they played hard in
the second half. I don't care show up ready to play. Yeah,
I'm done. I can't do the moral victory stuff anymore.
This is college basketball. It's the Big twelve, and I
don't know what the number is. I would expect that
they're competitive, and what they have spent on their roster,
it's it is by all accounts. You add in the

(01:24:37):
crossdown shootout loss, you add in the non conference late
the lost of Eastern Michigan, it's a disaster. It is
an absolute disasse. And as you and I were die
hard Bearcat basketball fans, we're not even in January.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Well, best best best best best best best case in
conference play feels like nine to nine. That's fourteen losses.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
I asked you during the what would the over under
be for Big twelve play? It feels like four and
a half.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Yeah, And now like you do you pull the plug on?
Kirk criesa Do you pull the plug on a five star?
You know that second highest recruit? I don't know what
the I don't know where they go at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
I know, Look, NCAA tournament or bust made it an
absolute right, got to make the tournament or we're moving on.
I think most of us believed that context was going
to have to be applied. But if this team finishes
with sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen losses, you know, I mean

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that that's the context that you use, or that you
apply to a legitimate conversation about who the next head
coach is going to be, because I would at that
point find it impossible to believe that it's going to
be West Miller.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
And again, like at the very core, if there were
signs of improvement, it would be one thing. We watched
Zavier got beat as a favorite by forty one points
in their Big East opener, and then with the Georgetown
of one yeah, bounce back yeah from an embarrassing home loss,
one on the road, and one yeah. You know, we
talked about what Miami of Ohio has done, talked about
you want to talk about noise. Mark Pope is hearing

(01:26:16):
a lot of noise. They've turned it around, beat Indiana,
beat a good Saint John's team, They're getting healthy. What
what Pat Kelsey has done in Louisville. We talked Darren
Horan year in and year out at NKU, like this
is supposed to be a college basketball time of the
year coming up, and I'm dreading it, but you'redding Houston

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coming to Cincinnati, even like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
You compare it to a year ago. A year ago
at this time, they were coming out of Big Twelve
play with one loss, yeah, and they still didn't come
close to making it yep. And I think the Big
Twelve is better this year and this team is not
as talented as last year's team yep. So it's I
I now wonder, like from a win loss record perspective,

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how bad could this get?

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
And I know right now all that matters for a
lot of people is do they move on from Wes
Miller If it gets as bad as we suspect it's
going to get. I think that, unfortunately, is going to
take care of itself. And I hate that for Wes
because I really really do like him. But I do wonder,
like Cincinnati basketball in the Big Twelve in a year

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that was gonna be judged solely by is their name
on the screen on Selection Sunday, And now we're wondering
could they finish with like two or three wins in
the Big Twelve. And you may think that's unfair, look
at that schedule and tell me where the winds plural
are gonna come from.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Where are they gonna Where are they gonna We talked
about the scheme wise, Where are they gonna sneak up
on anyone or out coach and just beat a better team.
I don't know that they have that capability.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
I'm the same way. This is the hard part about
sports because I genuinely like Wes Miller and I think
he's a great guy. He's always been great to me.
He texts, text me when when our youngest son was born,
to congrad like assault of the earth.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
Every time I see. Couldn't be nicer.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
It's the terrible part of the business, but it's the
reality of the business.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
You've got to win.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
And he's not doing it, and it doesn't feel like
they're close to doing it, like this is a proud
basketball tradition at you see, and it is. It's being
drugged through the mud right now, not only because they're losing,
but the way in which they lose, Uh, the way
in which they play at times is not Cincinnati basketball
that I know what. The longer this goes on, the

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more we get away from that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
What's the identity of the program? Right five years in?

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
And it's more difficult, admittedly to have an identity when
there's so much turnover a year after year after year
after year.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
But what is the identity? What is the identity of
this team?

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
What can you hang your hat on? I said this
on the air yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Watching Clemson go through it's half court offense side by
side watching Cincinnati go through it's half court offense. It's
like two different sports. It's like two entirely different sports.
And you might go, Okay, well, we're not great in
the half court?

Speaker 7 (01:28:56):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Good in transition? Can you score off your defense? Are
you great defensively? Are you an awesome rebounding team? Though
they were good on the glass yesterday? Do you limit turnovers?
Are you great at getting second chance points?

Speaker 5 (01:29:08):
Like? What is Are you good at shooting free throws?
Which they're not? Like, what is it that you're supposed
to be good at?

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
And it's not like they didn't try. They went out
and got a GM from the Oklahoma City thunder Right.
They have added different pieces in the portal. What I
think MOE is one of the bigger indictments on WES.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Look at the players that left.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
I mean, Errington Page is like an All Big Ten
player right now at Northwestern. Dylan Mitchell starts for Saint
John's go up and down the list. Connor Hickman at
Charleston and what he's doing Dan Skilling, like, there are
so many players that couldn't get it done here that
are playing at a very high level somewhere else. Tyler Betsy,
it's playing great at Syracuse right now. Like that, to

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me is the biggest indictment. Guys come here all of
a sudden, they stop shooting well from the outside, they
stopped making threes, they don't play good by a and
then when they leave here they get back to playing
good basketball. Where's the common denominator.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
It's it's obvious, and I it kills me to an
extent that I can barely describe the fact that it's
it's not even Christmas Day yet. Yep, they have if
you count one game in the Big Twelve tournament, twenty
games remaining, and you're not even entertaining the possibility that

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they're going to finish with more wins than losses.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
Right that's demoralizing. That's not how this is supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
And again, in the second half yesterday they were better
and Dayda Thomas made a bunch of threes and they
climb back into the game. And but I'm with you,
ton I think there are times where you can apply
the context to a loss and say there are some
things to build upon here. We're way past that at
this stage in the program, at this stage in West's tenure,

(01:30:55):
at this stage in the season. So unless the second
half comeback resulted in a victory, then what they did
is largely empty. And I hate to say that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
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Speaker 5 (01:32:08):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
See prominent most that you guys can go on defense
next year.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
Well, I think.

Speaker 10 (01:32:50):
You know we've always wanted to be a relentless defense,
something where the effort flies off the tape and you
see guys forming the bowl. So I think those are
things when I watched the tape yesterday is you see
everyone in the picture, everyone after first contact, trying to
get in the mix, make sure the ball carry gets down.
They got the one run on us. That was a

(01:33:10):
big run, and you can't excuse that because we got
to get them on the ground. We had opportunities to
do it, could have knocked it down. We didn't. The
score touchdown, but you look at the mixture runs after that,
and they're tough. They scheme your runs up, they give
you a lot of different looks, a ton of different
personnel groupings. I thought our defense did a great job
getting that run game settled down and minimized toward in

(01:33:32):
the second half. You know, you got to make them
throw the football and we were able to get the
ball off of them that way. So just overall, really
impressed with the growth of our defense and how these
guys are responded. They understand the scheme. The communication has
been really good, and again you know, taking the ball
off the people, you know, so there's that confidence that's
scoring there as well, and so it's been fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
That's the line had a pretty good game yesterday in
terms of containing the run between the tackles.

Speaker 10 (01:34:00):
Doing a great job playing with their hands, understanding the
techniques for asking them to play, and and so again
you're just seeing guys grow. A ton of guys grow.
Getting Shamar back was fun to watch yesterday. I thought
Cedric played a good game yesterday. Miles continues just to
just have a really good season right now with where
he's at. And so again it's just and there's guys

(01:34:22):
I'm not even naming, you know. I thought everybody played
really well yesterday. So just fun group to watch them
continue to grow and as send and that's all we're
asking for them right now is just get better every
single week and minimize your mistakes. And we're seeing that
from those guys.

Speaker 11 (01:34:35):
Higgins said he saw specials uh to go what do
you see Thursday morning? Okay, and kind of what what
led to y'all come to that conclusion and saying, hey,
let's still have this shutdown and kind of walk us
through that process.

Speaker 10 (01:34:46):
That was the doctors, you know, I think just making
sure uh tea in conjunction with our doctors, just making
sure you got that final checkpoint there to make sure
we were seeing everything and the clearance was appropriate. I
think with the two issues he's had, you know, that
was the appropriate way to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
And so getting out there quite really it was.

Speaker 10 (01:35:06):
A bang bang Thursday morning, got out there, got back
before I wasn't expecting about practice, and there he is
walks in the door, you know, right after stretch. So
that was I think it's good for him to hear
that too. He could probably answer that better than I can,
but we just want to make sure we were doing
right by him. If he's going to go out there
and play that everybody feels good about it. He feels
good about it, family feels good about it. And he

(01:35:28):
went out there and to my eye, felt really good. Okay,
you know, I know Jay Morrison and his family are
dealing with something tough right now. Jays, as you all know,
one of the greatest guys in this business.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
So awesome.

Speaker 10 (01:35:42):
Prayers with him and his family, and I hate that
he's got to go through that, but I know we're
all here for him, So I just want to make
sure he knows that and his family does that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
This has been a Zach Taylor Breast conference on ESPN
fifteen thirty the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
There you go, Bengals head coach Zach Taylor meeting with
the professional football media. Very classy maneuver by Zach mentioning
Jay Morrison and the passing of his wife. We are
done here at Twin Peaks. We are at the Westchester
location next week. One and one left on the schedule. Unfortunately,

(01:36:21):
two more to go, one more in Westchester, one more
here in Florence.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
You are off the rest of the week.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Well, I have a show on Christmas Morning. Well, that's right,
the Christmas Morning Show.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
I forgot you and Lance and Austin.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
I'll be wearing my pajamas yes on Christmas Morning. Beyond that,
Tony off the rest of the week. I am on
tomorrow after UK basketball at four point thirty ish at
a different establishment.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Have a great night. Speaking of UK basketball, the Mark
Pope Show is next. This is Holiday Tony and Mo
Football Show. Thanks to Mike Mills for producing on site
and Aaron Bland for producing back in Kenwood. Have a
great night. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Since that a
sports station.

Speaker 8 (01:37:05):
Mm hmm,

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