12/2/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Bengals are bringing their own brand of football to
Buffalo when they go hunting for a win. Did I
tell you about the last time I was in below
my eight fifty wings slavered and hot sauce. Let's just
say I had to stampede my way to a stall
in the men's room. The Bengals battle the Bills. Coverage
begins at nine am Sunday, stream for free on the

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Speaker 2 (00:32):
All right, that's us, good afternoon, I'm all lager. This
is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you so much for listening.
Hopefully you have braved and survived the snow and you
can hang out at Oakley Greens. Oakley Greens is open. Okay,
We're not gonna let three inches of snow in certain
parts of the tri State to ter Oakley Greens for

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being open. So when you're getting off work today or
planning a holiday party, you're thinking ahead to the football weekend,
all the conference championship games. You know, I've heard someone
describe Ohio State versus Indiana as the game of the century.
Now it's gonna be a good game. The Big ten
title is you know, in this era is still still
kind of cool, especially if you're IU. It's I would
stop short of Game of the Century Bengals Bills on Sunday.

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You could watch that game here as the Bengals take
a charge toward the AFC North title and a Super
Bowl championship. All of that here at to Oakley Greens.
Kitchen's open, bar is open, and we're here until six o'clock.
Paul Danner Junior is here. I feel like I haven't
seen you like a month. It's only been two weeks,
but a lot's happened in that time.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
It has you miss a day, you miss a lot,
you miss a week, you miss a lot. But I'm happy.
I'm happy to be here. It's so christmasy in here.
It is like I'm you know, I'm I was resistant.
I don't like people just stomping on Thanksgiving, agreed, and
so I felt like that was a little It's been
a little over the top. But now now we're through Thanksgiving,

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it's just the snow outside of the fires, the Christmas
stuff up everywhere. It's it's very it's very homely, very cozy.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
It's very cozy, it's very festive. It's festive without being
in your face festive. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I don't feel overwhelmed by it, but I do. I
feel like what a lovely Christmas is not.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Like Chris Kindle market in your face. And I'm not
opposed to a Chris Kindle market, but that is that
is all about Christmas. This is kind of about Christmas,
but not entirely about Christmas, which I'm here for.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I feel like it's like going over to your friend's
house who has properly set this up as a Christmas
get together, but it's not like, hey, let's go, I've
got like we got Sanna here and we're gonna be
doing with.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Their sli Like.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
No, it's it's comfortable.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I also neglected to mention if you're looking for a
place to watch the Skyline Chili Crosstown shoot out on
Friday night, you can do that here at Oakley Greens
as well. There is a lot of ground to cover
and it is remarkable the narrative shift. This is why
I love sports, This is why I love this league.
Two weeks ago, Who's gonna get fired? Who should get fired?
Should Burrow play they're playing out the strand, well they

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get a top five pick. How miserable is this going
to be? And now I'm not saying I've booked a
trip to Santa Clara, but my calendar's open. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
I mean, it's funny how quickly things change. But I
do you know, I did interview Dane Brugler about the
state of the top ten about a week and a
half ago, and I still think that's still the conversation.
I mean, let's not let's not kid ourselves here by
one win.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
But I think that.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
All along, well, as much as this was about okay, well,
be able to hand the keys to burrow, it was
always about more so you can the defense eventually turn
into something. And I think the takeaway of now three
straight weeks we were like, okay, let's see it again, Okay,

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let's see a little more. Okay, And then you have
that game against the Ravens in a place where you
have traditionally had heartbreaking defeats and not been able to
stop Lamar Jackson, who does not look like standard Lamar Jackson.
But that's beside the point where you're seeing the things
that you hoped you would see months ago. But you're

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seeing them now, and so now you look at it
and you wipe all the records off and you say
they're two games back.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
They have Joe Burrow, they have.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
A defense that looks like it could be below average
to average. It's kind of what you called for the
whole time. The only problem is you got to like
rip off six in a row. And so, but if
you can get in in this AFC, has it ever
felt more wide open? Who the Patriots is?

Speaker 4 (04:39):
That?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Is that who you're scared of right now?

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Like, No, in order for this team to get in,
they will have had to have had Burrow.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Will have to won like thirteen games in.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
A row as a start, but just you know, dating
back to last year and they'll have had one six
in a row. Obviously, they would have beaten a lot
of good teams along the way, and they would be
going into a playoffs where.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
There's no dominant team really in the.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
AFC right now, and you give them as much a
chance as any Again, that's a lot of steps between
now and then, because it takes games that have looked
like they have in big moments this year. Well, you
get a couple of l's to the Bills, and the
Ravens and we're back to talking about the top five again.
It's just they're in that spot. But I think what

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you hoped to see, it's still alive right now and
we just didn't think that was gonna be possible.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Hard hard knocks to the AFC North last year should
do it this year because this divisions as division is
not very good.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
I would love to see some of them behind the scenes.
What is currently happening Pittsburgh specifically, Yeah, certainly would be interesting.
Who I don't They don't look like they could win
another game.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
That's the thing. Like the team, like, there's the brand,
the Steelers, big bad Steelers. You know, Tomlin's never had
a losing season all of that history. And then there's
watching that football team, not just on Sunday against the Bills,
but for the better part of the last month and
a half. And I know they beat the Bengals head
to head in that game a couple of weeks ago.

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If you watch them, there's nothing about them that screams
playoff team Division champion AFC contender, even in a year
like this, Nothing about it. And I felt that way
before Aaron Rodgers broke his wrist and then I watched
him try to play on Sunday. There's nothing about that
team that's scary. The Baltimore Ravens. Maybe Lamar Jackson turns

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into Lamar Jackson again, but he certainly seems physically compromised.
They've been uneven on offense even during that five game
winning streak. Defensively, while they were much better during that
five game winning streak, I'm not sure they're terrifying. They
have a history of losing stupid games. I did this
thing on Sunday and Monday, just more from a gambling perspective,

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because the Bengals there's great value, and I go okay.
I would rather get the payout with the Bengals and
the higher odds than I would betting on old man
Aaron Rodgers, a Steelers team that is underachieved defensively and
seems broken offensively, compromise Lebar Jackson, a Ravens team that
seems okay that maybe has had its championship window pass,

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or I can get the Bengals. Burrow Is back seventeen
and five in December and January. Regular season games since
twenty twenty one favored, I think in for their last
five oh in the game they have this Sunday and
like Burrow hadn't played well against that team either game
on let's go.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, No, I agree with you. You can you can
see it, yes, like you can feel it.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Not telling you it's likely.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
No, No, I think I think there's you know, we
talk about the playoff odds and then numbers on that simulator,
similar to simulate the simulator I did great. Similarly, simulator
is a great addition to the site.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Go go play as much as you want to do
with it and watch the odds go up and down.
You know it's got it in the single percentage points.
But what I think what the those numbers, the six percent,
if you know, maybe fifteen percent after this weekend if
they win. And what they're missing is that that is
calculating a Bengals team and in similarly a Ravens and

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a Steelers team that is projected to maybe not be
the same as what it has been. Right, one with
Burrow is going to have a different output than one without.
One with a defense that isn't you know the same
as the Ka Kawanda tar decks from twenty twenty one
is going to play at a level that is not
going to be reflected in those numbers in terms of

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chances to win and what that can look like. And
so maybe it's a touch higher than that, it's still
long odds. But to me the whole time, it has
felt like, well, obviously with what they did in Baltimore
opens it up, but be Buffalo and let's see, right.
I feel like I feel like this feels like the

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one where it's just going to be too much to overcome.
It's hard to see a world at eight nine.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
But if you can go you're falling again behind somebody
on Sunday, so you have another game, you're already two back.
You have to keep paying. So I I view with
the same way. If you win this one, then I
think it's like, okay, dude, let's do this.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
They've got as good a chance as anybody, especially if
it's the Ravens that are in front of them, because
you have them and you got to beat them anyway.
So it's certainly not impossible. There's a lot of the
a lot of the things that when you you know,
we do this a lot with teams that make runs
in any postseason, but specifically when they come from off

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the path off the pack to at the end, is
there you see these things of like, oh, well that happened,
and it felt like it really helped them take off,
whether it be as obvious as burrow or as small
as the goal line stand a couple of weeks ago
by the defense, or maybe as notable as the plane
getting delayed. In this the whole team bonding, it's totally

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the stuff people talk about, like, you know, it's it's
the first chapter of a book about a championship.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
See and it's a plane.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
It starts on the plane, right, and it's like it's
this is the stuff that that truly does end up
happening when teams feel like they come together.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I'm calling bs on the team bonding thing on the
airplane thing, that's right. Has anybody ever been stuck on
an airplane? Anybody I've been stuck on an airplane? You
know what, I didn't feel like doing bonding with anybody,
but okay, but apparently they felt like bonding with a
bullet in my head. Okay, well, this is no bonding
happening on an airplane, and this is it.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Everyone else would bond over your misery on a plane
with that many people that all know each everyone would
be walking around in like thirty four b being like,
have you seen egger goodness, courageous losing it up there?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I had this. I had this at the end of
the hour. I wanted to write about the airplane and
I'm going to ask about airplane travel because I do
have some thoughts on it. If there was no beverage cart,
then I'm I'm calling bs on the team bonding thing.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I love the idea when they started running out of food,
right and you're just staring at all these offensive linemen
who are like me hungry.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, you know, like that doesn't create bonding, Like it's
a neat story. And you know any but anybody who's
ever been stuck on an airplane, there's no bonding there.
You and your coach, you know you weren't there, go
you and your stuck on an airplane is usually with
people that.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
You don't know, Okay, a plane for people that you
do know.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I was getting dispatches because I was with Dan Horden.
Uh huh. You see a game, not traveling with the team,
and I'm like, dude, I've heard from folks on the
plane like you might be able to drive to the
airport and fly with the team. If you and your
co workers. Let's say you and your buddies are on
an airplane right and you're stuck on the tarmac for
five hours, not only will you not bond, you'll start

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to turn against each other. In fact, that's why you
should go sit in another section of the airplane in
case we're stuck, because I don't want to lose my friendship.
No bonding on an airplane that's stuck on the tarmac,
not with you, at least not with me. No, clearly
I could see that for forty five minutes. After an
hour and a half, it's the shared experience five hours in. No,
there's no bonding. The person next you're so tired of

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you want to kill them. No, certainly it was you,
no question about it. Yeah, I do think in this division,
and Tony and I did talk about this yesterday. The
math is not favorable. We know that I don't need
to go to the playoffs simulator though, I have to
tell you that. But if I'm a Baltimore Steelers fan,
I'm looking at the Bengals going now. We had a

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chance to give them away, both of them, and you
know now that object in the rear view mirror is
closer than it should be. They just got their guy back,
the reasonably healthy ish. Their schedule is not easy, but
there's some very winnable games on it. Like I maybe
Mike Tomlin and John Harbard and thinking that way. But
if I'm a fan of either one of those teams,

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I'm like, we had a chance to slam the door.
Pittsburgh did in mid October, Baltimore did on Thursday night.
And I do think there's something about a guy like
Joe Burrow, all the deficiencies that the team may have,
when when you don't put that guy away, it tends
to come back to haunt you. As a fan. I'm
clinging to that, but I can't help but think that
that dynamic is real.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
And you know, we've we spent a lot of time
last week or so talking about why Burrow still wants
to play and his attitude towards always playing, always if
you have a chance, go play, you know, playing a
kid's game and all that stuff that has been really
cool and like his story just already is cool coming

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back for this, But there's also this other thing about
Joe Burrow, the guy who you know, we've documented the
numbers as an underdog is like he lives for this.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
He lives for this.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I mean the epic run, the epic overcoming of all
obstacles thing, not just in the injury, but now, oh
you oh you don't think I can run off six
in a row. Oh you don't think we can't gather
this team together and make it happen. And the belief
that everyone gathers from this, That's what twenty twenty one

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was right in so many ways. And we can talk
about how the defense was different, game changing on that,
but so much of that was always because of the
belief that Burrow brings into a building and this whole
there are no obstacles that are stacked too high that
I can't climate mentality that's really, you know, kind of

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been his whole mystique in his whole career. And so
you don't think he looks at this as like, man,
what an epic opportunity. Yeah, this is like what I'm
built for. This is this is the type of thing
that would be, you know, the most legendary running NFL history.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
And you don't think that he's looking.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Down in down this barrel right now and saying let's
go do this, and the idea of rallying the troops,
especially if they go into Buffalo and take out Josh
Allen on Sunday Man that just you know, it feels
like it's one hundred percent something. If you are a
Steelers or a Ravens fan, you are scared to death about.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Also, the subjective title of best quarterback in the NFL
seems up for grabs. Yeah, granted, Yeah, take your team
on six and oh, get to the postseason to make
a run. Yeah, there's there is no doubt. It's uh.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I go back to Rocky four a lot, and it
feels like this is like it burrows, like when Rocky
was just like training out in the in the wilderness
in Russia for months, just like with the with the
picture of drava wet blanket.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Wife too tells him, you're not gonna be able to
beat that guy. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Rocky is gonna
get paid for that fight. I guess I'll go out
to Russia. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I don't know who that is in this particular analogy. However,
I do feel like this is like it's okay, well
I've been training for this and and sitting there behind
closed doors waiting to unleash it. And now maybe there's
a chance, maybe there's a chance that uh, that he
can go out there and go fifteen rounds with Drago.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
All right, well too far, No, not at all any
Rocky four, Rocky, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
You're disdaining for the wife.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
In every movie, she's like, you're not gonna be able
to win, you can't win. The only time she's remotely
incouraging is in Rocky three at the Beach, and that's
only because she got tired of sitting in that crappy
hotel room. Yeah. Every other time it's I can't win, sorry,
rock Like, why does support me? Honey?

Speaker 3 (16:10):
He has a long history of winning. You would think
they'd be like, what, maybe he could win. By the
time you reach Rocky flour it's like, might win.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I don't know. I would have told her I will
be in Russia. You stay here in Philly or wherever.
But when I come back, be gone. Not gonna support
my guy gets beat. I gotta go fight this Russian dude,
And all you're gonna tell me is you can't beat him.
And now you want to jump onto my coat tails
late no, not all in on Adrian. Yeah, that's that's fair.
That's that's fair.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
I'm going to think more about who is hard to
be in a.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Coma in Rocky two for her to even like support
him trying to fight. She married a fighter.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I mean, it's look, although I think anytime that you
can get to hang out with the robot, like true,
the underrated best character in all of the Rockies is
Polly's robot.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
No doubt about it. And as a as a husband
of somebody who values like they're alone time I'm at
the house, I can understand, like, wait a minute, drunk brother,
meathead husband, they're gonna fly to Russia for like six weeks.
I get the place to myself with the robot. Yeah,
not too bad, not bad. Maybe I'm on tea major
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There he goes, terrible plan rising to the occasion. Good stuff.
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Speaker 3 (18:27):
I mean, I am enjoying, and this is unbelievable. I'm
ready to go.

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Speaker 3 (18:36):
So I'm a big uh no, easy way out guy.
That's my that's my preferred montage. Robert in the car,
Robert Tapper, Yeah, big Tapper guy. So I mean but
you you you get in your car and turn that
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Speaker 2 (18:51):
I dare you, I don't need help. But home. We'll see,
we'll see. Paul Danner Junior is here. You know who's
gonna be here on this number twenty first? Anthony Munos
Hey one hour before the Bengals. He's pretty good. Yeah,
it was pretty good before the Bengals Dolphins game. He'll
be here at Oakley Greens from Meet and Greet you
can meet Anthony Munhos the greatest offensive lineman and nicest

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human being of all times. It's cool to have one
of those titles he carries both.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yes, I mean, I actually some video just I don't
know why, it was circulating today of Anthony catching the
game tying touchdown in Cleveland. Kevin Gallagher I retweeted, Yeah,
I saw that today and I was like, it's unbelievable.
Is that the most Is that the most challenging reception
by an offensive tackle ever? Because usually tackle eligibles are

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like nice, saft little balls, and these guys wide open.
Boomer had to like throw it sideways and backwards and
Anthony bob by catching it behind himself. I mean, of course,
of course he's gonna have the most legendary offensive tackle.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Eligible catchup all time, part of one of my favorite
trivia questions, bloomerisize and through touchdown passes to Hall of Fame? Yeah,
who were they? Anthony Munno's The answer is coming up
later on Ooh, build the drama. More on Burrow because
you wrote about him after the game, and to me,

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he played as expected. There were moments where it felt
like he's got some rust to chip off. I was
more interested though, in how the team played for him
and rallied around him, And I thought that dynamic was interesting.
You could feel it watching on a television a few
hundred miles away. The infusion of energy. You could feel

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them rallying around him. You could feel the excitement. Also,
he's playing behind what I think is a decent offensive line,
and those two things, more than anything, That's what I
think about on Thursday as the game went ongoing. Also,
he took some snaps under center, which thank god because
many not a ton, but he did it. He did
He did it. To me, that was like him trolling

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people like, Okay, fine, here my hands under the centers,
But are we good? Can I? Can I go back
to playing the way I want? But as the game
went on, I'm like, you know, the team seems galvanized,
the team seems ready. Maybe the airplane ride did has
something to do with it. Also, thorough can't protecting them.
This is gonna be all right?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the one thing I
kind of came away from that one a little bit
feeling generally like like after the Flacco Green Bay game,
where that first half was like, Okay, what do you
expect here? I mean, this guy's trying to get it going,
and then you see it in the second half, You're like, Oh,
this is what it's gonna look like. Yeah, this is
this is what this is what it could look like

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maybe you should look like. And you feel like, now
after coming out of that ten days a full game planned,
you know, all of that stuff, everybody back moving the
right way, t Higgins back in the in the mix,
you feel like it's gonna it can take off, much
like we saw happen with Flacco after that. Obviously with

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on a different level that Burrow plays at, but like
the similar concept is you saw so many of those
timing plays not hitting in the first half, which is
what was bogging them down. Stuff that you literally never
see Joe miss and those weren't being missed as much,
and there's really not enough love given too. Maybe there is,

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but to the Yoshi touchdown to everything that he had
to execute, it's vintage Burrow and to do that after
two months away and just come back out there and
win the chess match against the Ravens by diagnosing a
defense and blitz package that they've used in the past
and setting up the protection, moving guys around, and then
throwing the dime to Yoshi, who's got Rokwon Smith chasing them,

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like just the next level stuff that you get with him,
and and that you and maybe only get with him.
That sets it apart, and it's like, Okay, he's he's
starting to feel it. Now You're you're seeing all of
the all of the Burrow elements. The only one that's
yet to come that maybe you'll see in the coming
we a little bit more of the scrambling and the
playmaking stuff that makes people nervous but makes Joe Burrow

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special and so.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
But yeah, I mean, it was.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
A pretty unbelievable performance all things considered.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, it was unbelievable and it almost is exactly what
I expected I'd be aligned to you if I told
you I really expected them to win the game or
win the game by as many as they did. But
I thought, as the game goes on, Joe's gonna be fine,
probably gonna be a little rough early. It's been two
and a half months. Also, he stinks in season openers.
This is a season opener two point zero. But I

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got what I was looking for.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, I mean, you got the look of a guy
that still knows what the heck he's doing out there.
And also, you know, I just thought, I love reflective
Joe Burrow. We don't get it all that often, like
we do sometimes, and I just feel like his his
perspective is always so great, and you feel his teammates

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latch onto whatever that perspective is. And whether he's sang
it through us or saying it to them behind closed
doors or whatever. We don't know exactly what's being said there,
but like you really feel that, And it was just
really cool to hear him talk about how much this
meant to him and teammates, you know, going around the
locker room after the game, teammates talking about how much

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it mattered to them to try to win because of
how much they knew it meant to Joe and they
want to do this for Joe, And I think that's
a true rallying cry that lasts. And I thought brought
out another level when a lot of players individually on
Thursday night that maybe we hadn't totally seen yet.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
He made me feel ashamed of myself because when they
lost to the Patriots, my thing was put him on
the shelf. And then when I heard him talk about
wanting to play and it's a kid's game and we
get paid a lot of money, my take was, who
am I to take that away from him? Right? Like?
Who am I to tell him, don't do this if
you can, especially when the game's dull STU carry meaning

(25:11):
now and talk to me week seventeen if they have
eleven losses Joe hard pass. But I literally was like,
you know, that was my take, But who am I
to tell this dude? Yeah, hey, you worked your ass off,
hold a clipboard?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, And that was sort of my thing the whole time,
was I mean, even early in the week when Burrow
was like, look, I'm never going to be the one
to be like I'm healthy, but I don't think I
should play like I'm too important or whatever, and I
think that was the whole thing was was that is
one who he is and who the Bengals have kind
of tried to build their entire organization around that attitude,

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and that's what they want more people and everyone to.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Be sort of about.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Is if you're healthy, if there's a way you can
go out there and do it and do whatever you
can can help your team win, you go do it.
And that means a lot to people, and I think
it leaves him. He always makes an impact on his
teammates and you hear that from them whenever you talk
to him. But I think it was exponentially notable because
of everything that he did and how sort of open

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and reflective he was about that during the course of
the weekend.

Speaker 8 (26:21):
On Thursday, all right, we're.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Late twenty four from four o'clock at Oakley Greens. We're
gonna get to Trey Hendrickson. Shall we have we done
that before? Uh? Yeah, I haven't written down on the list.
Well I have airplane. We already did that. We've already
kind of done.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
I guess we'll have to do Trey Hendrickson. I know
you don't like doing that, you.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Know what I'm gonna talk about Miles Murphy before we
talk about Trey Hendrick. Let's do it, please. We'll do
that when we come back. Sports headlines as well. We
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in the skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout, a game that you
could watch here at Oakley Greens. And this is the
environment like Ucian Xavier fans can co mingle, can coexist,
can have a great time, enjoy that the fellowship and
good vibe that always comes with that game. Just do
it here at Oakley Drink fellowship and good vibe. You're
right across. That's usually what I think that it brings

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out of everybody. There are two hours a year where
I absolutely, no matter what's going on, will not look
at social media. Yeah, those are the two. Those are
the two. I can't think of it.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Without seeing Kenny Freeze's eye because I mean, just the
craziest sporting event I've ever covered in my entire life
being I will I will be on my death talking
about I was ten feet away from the fight in
UC Xavier and we'll we'll never forget seeing it that

(29:41):
close and how close, how my jaw lived on the
floor that entire afternoon.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
You want to talk about a cauldron of bad sports takes,
go back and find shows and social media and blogs
from fourteen years ago this December, because that's I I'm
not sure there's ever been a a you know, like
a a an event that generated more just awful takes
than that one.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, there'm I might have spewed a few. I don't
even know, but I probably did too. I was in favor.
I don't know if I still am. Do you want
to cancel the game?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
No? No, no.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
I was in favor of the three site rotation of
Xavier Uce Neutral every three years because I like I
like the neutral I was one of the few that
liked the Neutral site.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I think I like the It has.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
An ncble A feel about like momentum swings, where you
have runs where one side of the building is like
rising in the other one sitting, and then I felt
like it made the runs feel bigger. That was really
cool that I liked it, And it kind of was
a good ncublea feel on that one.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
But but without giving away like when was like.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh, no, we're not going to do these on home
sites anymore, like the floor was the problem. No, but
I did like the idea that came up of maybe
having a rotation, even though I.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Think you were the one that came up with the
idea of change the name, right, was that I was
not change the name.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Don't you put that on me? Don't you put that
on me?

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Is Miles Murphy?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Good might be, I'm not gonna say good.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I still think that turned the corner light bulbs on.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
A switch has been flipped.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Look.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Had we talked to Jerry Montgomery Montgomery on the Rewatch
Show Charlie and I yesterday and just talking about sort
of the development of all these young guys. Yeah, but
a lot of it was about Miles. And I was
talking about the play where he chases down Derrick Henry
forty yards down the field. Only three defensive linemen all

(31:39):
year have a tackle on a play that game thirty
plus yards.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
He's one of three.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
This is not something that happens, and particularly chasing it
from behind. He said, Yeah, that's true, he said, but
I'd like you to go back two weeks ago and
there was a play where a run by Kenneth Gainwell
and Pittsburgh got out and Miles essentially loafed and didn't
and you know a lot of company that dead right, absolutely,

(32:04):
But he's like that, that's stuff that was shown and
so to see it go from you got to learn
for you gotta do this to turn into that, which
then turns into three plays later his tip ball that
turns an interception. Like it's those moments where you you
see it happen, you see everything your coaches have been

(32:25):
telling you, you see it start to turn into something
are what drives you to become that player all the time.
And I just think there hadn't because of his lack
of experience, because of his lack of success and and everything.
I don't think he had had those drivers. But you've
seen that now really over the last three weeks as
he's been playing. He's been playing more before that, but

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you've certainly over the last three weeks seen him be
more active, more productive. You're seeing where you see him
every single game, where I don't think you've said that
hardly at all during his career. And it does, I
mean it does take time for guys, especially guys that
are looked at as trades based prospects. I still think

(33:07):
that what we learned early is that, Okay, he's not
gonna have a first round elite ceiling, but I think
his floor is raising right now.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
And I'll take that well absolutely, And.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
I just think it's what it's the does he have
the dog get him righty. He had the fight that
he He looks like a guy that wants it and
cares and it matters to him. And he's playing with
that energy and the heart and passion stuff that you
kind of hope to see more of from him that
you hadn't seen enough of. I think over his time
here and it's.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
It's showing up.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
He still doesn't finish, like he's still struggling to finish.
But there was a play, but he's back there.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
There was a play in that game where I think
he's he's in the backfield trying to take down Lamar
and it looks like he was told to go back
in the position that he was in before the ball
was snapped. I wish I had it in front of you.
It's one of the I was watching it with a
buddy of mine and I'm like, what is Miles Murphy doing? Yeah,
But then I'm like, you know, positive guy, he was

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in the backfield.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
He just chose to go back, chose to go you know,
he got there.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Should we give al Golan the D back in his
last name?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Has he earned it? I'm not there yet, Okay. I
Mean here's the thing. I think that the Bengals were
beneficiaries of some pretty significant breaks, not just one, not
just two. Also, them not giving the ball to Derek
Henry made no sense, right, a lot of things happening
and that I mean, you know the OPI on the

(34:41):
Ze Flowers touchdown obviously, the fumble that ends up a
touchback in the end zone that should have been Isaiah.
I mean, credit the hustle by Jordan Battle, but still
you know a couple of deep balls that they should
have connected to Tess Walker. Like, there there were a
number of plays, some calls that that could have gone
this other way, and the game feels completely different, it
looks different. We talk about this all the time when

(35:03):
in games at the Bengals of loss right, it's like, ah,
this call, this play, and they had multiple of those
where you I don't know how anybody didn't feel at halftime, like, man,
they've squandered this opportunity. How are they only up five
considering all the breaks that felt like had gone their way.
I mean, Lamar literally just gives them a ball at
one point, like they're getting turnovers. They maybe you create some,

(35:26):
some of them you don't deserve. Like so I'm I'm
there it's clearly you're clearly seeing a trend in the ring. Clearly,
like no, nobody is. I am not disparaging that at all.
I think you're clearly seeing it start to click for
these guys and them to build some confidence and momentum.
And even Al Golden talked to us yesterday and said,

(35:46):
you know, he's more trusting and comfortable to call more
of the exotic. Not I'm gonna use exotic, but just
just the extra stuff in his game plan that he's
been resistant to do because they'll afraid they're gonna screw
it up.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
And so the ability to do.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
More blitzes on second downs on third downs showed up.
You see that when you watch the game. And so
I think just think all of that shows that, yes,
the progress is being made and you're seeing it going
in a different direction. But how high can they get
this year? I'm not going to totally say what happened
in Baltimore suggests that because some of those big moments

(36:20):
that could have gone against them didn't, and and that
changed the whole dynamic of the game that said go
to Buffalo, yeah, and slow down Josh Allen and these
guys that just ran all over Pittsburgh and uh, I
think it's a different story.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Then he gets the D in his name, then I'd
give him the D. You writ your headlines, because the
headlines could be kind of fun.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
If I'm not going to steal your thing.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Buddy, if this is what you're stealing, you are totally
out of ideas. I'm just saying, like, Al gets the
D and then you can write about how Moeger took
his D away. I'll combine two things here because we
don't we don't have a lot of time. Trey Hendrickson,
you wrote about the fact that it's weirdness chapter number

(37:08):
five hundred and six. Do you think that the team
bonding on the airplane took place because Trey wasn't on it?

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Potentially, potentially maybe they just they just needed that extracted.
I cannot, I cannot say that for certain exactly exactly why.
I mean, it'd be like if you weren't on it,
with the attitude that you clearly have towards you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Want If we're ever on a plane where we're stuck
for five hours, you should hope I get kicked off. Yeah,
I'm not going to be very pleasant to be around.
You're not gonna want to bond with me.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Would you rather sit like on the tarmac outside the
plane or be on the plane.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I would rather jump out of a moving plane than
sit in either really quick, because we don't have a
lot of time here. And you wrote about the the
the Trey Hendrickson situation. To me, it's just like, you
know what, why not one more set of weird circumstances
for this guy before he leaves?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, I mean it certainly feels that way. I mean
just feels like it's one of those where whenever Trey
feels like he wants to come back or or can
fight through this or whatever, he will, it's it's a
situation where nobody can nobody knows but Trey. And this
has kind of been when people ask me about this

(38:23):
all the time. What I kind of go back to
is there can be all the circumstances in the world
that tell you that, oh, he could be doing it
because of this, because he's going to be a free
agent and because he doesn't really care or whatever you
want to say is the reason. Or he's doing it
because he doesn't like the Bengals in the way that
they treated him, or whatever. Nobody really knows. But the

(38:47):
way this particular thing, this injury is, it's a it's
about how he views his pain, tolerance, willingness to play
through it, how he wants to, how he feels like
he can handle it. What going out they at less
than one hundred percent is worth to him to the team,
Like nobody really knows, but Trey in terms of what

(39:09):
exactly is happening here at least, it certainly feels that way.
It's it's it's up to him. And so we can
sit here and say what we want. I think there's
a lot of reasons you can look at and say, Man,
go play through something, Go go out there on third downs?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Can you can?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
You can you give me what said Johnson's doing right now?
You know, give me the sub package third down off
the edge and something and and give me a you know,
a fourth give me a fourth quarter series?

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Right? Can you do that?

Speaker 3 (39:38):
And I he said to me before the trade deadline, like, I, look,
I not really been through this before. I have a
standard for my play and I want to go out
there and play the level that I feel like I
want to play at. Now maybe that level is higher
because he doesn't feel the loyalty to this team because
of the way things went down, And that's all part
of it too. But nobody really knows.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
But Trey art Monk is the answer to the question
when did Boomer through to artmost with the Jets. Yeah,
spend a year with the Jets, end of his Hall
of Fame career. Caught a touchdown pads from Art Monk.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Any question where Art Monk and Anthony Munhos are the answer,
I'm interested in.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Well done, mo, We'll see you next week. Beautifully played
Paul Danner Junior The Athletic dot Com, where, in addition
to going to the playoffs simulator every ten minutes, Austin
Elmore lives on that thing. Yeah, I mean you should
like put a paywall, an extra paywall behind that for him.
He'll pay, He'll pay.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Oh yeah, all right, I'll just go ask him for
the money next time I see him.

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Thank you so much for listening today. Hopefully you have
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To get Santa Claus to come to your establishment like that,

(42:15):
that's not easy to do. Santa Claus can literally be
anywhere in the world on Sunday, but he's gonna be
here from noon to three. You could watch the Bengals game.
This is on the fourteenth, not the seventh, So you
could watch the Bengals Ravens game with Santa Claus, Like,
are you kidding me? Santa Claus could literally watch eleven

(42:36):
days before Christmas. They're gonna have Santa Claus here, They're
gonna have reindeer, they're gonna have holiday vendors, the Bengals game,
and Santa hanging out. That's a week from Sunday, the fourteenth,
so by all means, come out this Sunday. It would
be a little bit much to ask Santa to come
from back to back Sundays. Again, maybe in July doesn't
have a lot going on, But you asked Santa Claus like,

(42:59):
what's your damn card looked like in December? Dude? Is
pulled in a thousand different directions. They've got him here
for three hours on the fourteenth. What they had to
pay to get Santa Claus to come here, I mean
imagine that appearance fee. So the fourteenth, Santa Claus here
at Oakley Greens and you can watch the Bengals game.

(43:22):
I don't really know what could be any better than that.
Plus holiday vendors, you can get some shopping done, you
could have a cold one. I don't know if Santa drinks.
I don't know, like how he gets here sligh, I'm
not sure if that's like he only pulls it out
on Christmas. But Santa Claus is going to be at
Oakley Greens on the fourteenth, So be here for that.
It's gonna be awesome. I'm not sure what the bigger

(43:43):
get is Santa Claus in the fourteenth or Anthony Munio's
on the twenty first. Like Anthony Munio's is in the
Hall of Fame, right, greatest, maybe the greatest offensive lineman
of all the time. But frankly, Santa Claus is probably
in bigger demand. You can hang out with Anthony Munios
in augusta September, dude, that's a big deal. That's a
big deal. Awesome stuff from Paul Danner Junior. More on

(44:06):
the Bengals. In a bit, we're gonna go to Lexington.
Our friend Jeff Picuoro Kentucky has a new football coach
and Pick knows him, he knows all about him, and
we're going to talk about the UK football coaching dynamic
and so much more with Jeff coming up in just
about ten minutes. Also, it's a It's Giving Tuesday and
the Reds Community Fund. Although I think I might have

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made a mistake on my tweet that I write Red's Museum.
No I wrote Red's Community. Yes, we'll do that coming
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Here Oftentimes on Tuesdays, while we do our show here
at Oakley Greens, we spend time on the UC Bearcats,
their next opponent. Obviously, UC is trying to find out

(45:56):
who their next opponent's going to be because they're gonna
play in a bowl game, not the Big Two championship game.
Tony and I spent some time on this yesterday. We
say this all the time that often in life, certainly
often in sports, there's room for multiple truths. You see
wins seven and five this year, Yes, that is better

(46:18):
than five and seven, pure math, seven and five better
than five and seven. This was a better team than
last year. They had more talent, They weren't as deficient
in some of the areas they were deficient in last year.
They were better for the most part on special teams.

(46:40):
The quarterback play was better. Brendan Sorosby had his struggles
during the four game winning streak, although I thought he
played well against TCU, but he was a more consistent,
better quarterback this year. Their offensive line was terrific for
much of the season. This was a better football team,
and they won more games, and seven and five compared
to five and seven and a year prior to that.

(47:01):
Three to nine certainly does represent progress. And you see
is going to play in a bowl game, and that's
tangible evidence of progress. Many of us said before the
season that anything shy of seven or eight wins in
a bowl game is going to be unacceptable, and I
think that's true. Right they achieved that they achieved. One

(47:24):
might argue the bare minimum but that doesn't mean the
end of the season feels that fulfilling, and I think
that can be true as well. They lost their last
four games, They lost their last four games, and they
lost to good teams. I think Utah's good, b YU
is good. I think Arizona is better than that anybody
gave them or will give them credit for. I'm not

(47:44):
really sure how good TCU is, but they did win
eight games. But when I think of the four game
losing streak, I think of mistakes, the kind of mistakes
that the Bearcats didn't make during the seven game winning streak.
I think have missed opportunity. How many opportunities did they
have specific in those games against Arizona and BYU that
could have swung the game, that could have won the game.

(48:05):
And so it's also the continuation of a theme. Yes,
seven wins is better than five, but the end of
the year didn't look exactly like it did in twenty
twenty four, but the results were the same, And so
can you really feel like there was that much progress
if we're talking about, to a large degree, the same
thing from one year to the next. End of the

(48:27):
season five straight losses twenty twenty four end of the season.
Four straight losses twenty twenty five and maybe counting that
doesn't feel like progress. Also, I think this can be
true that relative to not only the seven and one start,
but what the UC Bearcats had at the top of
their roster, winning seven doesn't feel like enough. This was

(48:49):
a team that got if you want to call it
up a hometown discount, that's fine. But they got Brendan
Sorosby to come back, and they got Joe Royer to
come back, and Gavin Gerhardt came back, and Dante Corleone
came back, and Logan Wilson got another year of eligibility
in state here, and Jeff Caldwell joined the program, and

(49:10):
Cyrus Allen joined the program, and Matthew McDoom joined the program,
and Jack Dingle was back for another year, and Jake
Golday as well. All those guys are gone. Now it's
the Portal era and it's the nil era, and so
you're clearing some payrolls, so to speak, and you don't
have to dip into the freshman ranks or the high

(49:32):
school ranks to go find players to replace the dudes
I just mentioned. But that's a lot of guys to replace.
And so it kind of feels like a little bit
of a rebuild. Not go to in ten next year,
not struggle to make a bowl game, but it feels
like there's there's gonna be some rebuilding. And I didn't
even mention the name Brendan soresby which your guess is
as good as mine as to where he's gonna go.

(49:53):
I really like Brendan. I'm not sure I watched an
NFL quarterback, but I don't think it's a great class,
so I can understand jumping to the league. I could
also certainly envision a scenario where he gets paid more
money to play college football somewhere else. I don't know,
but that's a lot of pieces to replace that is
easier to swallow when you're better than seven and five.

(50:17):
Like it, it felt like twenty twenty three and twenty
twenty four were building to twenty twenty five. Not so
much because while it's year three and it's time to
make a ball game, but because of what the roster
looked like. Their best players from those years stayed with
the program this year, and they added dudes for a
season in many cases who weren't going to be here

(50:37):
next year, and I ain't gonna move on from a
whole lot of guys, a whole lot of foundational pieces.
That is hard to do. That is hard to do.
So Keith and Nickoson wrote about this Bearcat journal dot Com.
I thought very eloquently over the weekend, and I encourage
you to read it. On one hand, yeah, man, successful season.
I as a hardcore, die hard Bearcat fan, I have

(50:59):
a hard time. I'm looking at this year as unmitigated failure,
but the end of the season was unfulfilling. The fact
that we're talking about a similar theme to last year
is troubling, and there's a sense of letdown, even slight
failure that after a seven and one start, they didn't
win any more games. And now this three year stretch

(51:23):
has peaked with a seven to five finish and a
bowl game. I'm gonna guess most of the names I
just mentioned don't play the bowl game. And now you're
hitting the reset button with a large chunk of your roster.
When you hit the reset button with a large chunk
of your roster, you like to do that after your
team has won something of major consequence. I'm not sure

(51:44):
whatever bowl game they're gonna be in this year is
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who is a Kentucky native. His dad played at Kentucky.
Will went to Louisville. He replaces Mark Stoops, who had
been in Lexington for I think the last thirty five years.
Jeff Percorro, color analyst UK football, longtime friend of this show.

(52:35):
In this radio station ABC thirty six and Lexington is
with us high pick. How are you mo, I'm well yourself.

Speaker 10 (52:46):
I'm great. I am so fun to be on the
show with you. And let me just say this, thirdbody
can hear us. I'm still happy Tony is back too,
because the two of you are fantastic together.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Well, you and me both. And that's way too kind
of you. Why let's before we look ahead, let's look back.
Why did things kind of get sideways under Mark Stukes
the last couple of years.

Speaker 10 (53:06):
Well, you know, no, every every job you take, you're
always looking to get better yourself. And I think three
years ago, you know, he had one foot out the
door to Texas A and M and I think it
came back to bite.

Speaker 8 (53:18):
Him a little bit.

Speaker 10 (53:18):
And I just I don't know if you say the
fire wasn't there, but it just, you know, I just
don't believe you're gonna have guys like Joe Patterno and
what he hates anymore.

Speaker 8 (53:28):
That's Stevan.

Speaker 10 (53:29):
Look at Saban, you know, ten, ten, twelve, fourteen years,
that's about it. At one job, they you know, five
years ago they were ready to build statues from Mark
and they were also gonna build a statue for John Calipari.

Speaker 8 (53:42):
And then they couldn't wait till they both of them left.
It's amazing now you're right about that?

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Will Stein is the guy? Are you excited about this?

Speaker 8 (53:53):
I am?

Speaker 10 (53:54):
And because okay, Moeller's quarterback, right, Matt Konatowski, he's a
he's a four star quarterbacks number twelve, fourteenth in the country.
He has said that he has not waivered one bit.
He's actually going to be at tomorrow. They're having a
big press conference to introduce Stein to everyone, and he

(54:14):
said he's going to be there and show his support
for his new coach.

Speaker 8 (54:17):
So that's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
All right, very good. Why is he the guy?

Speaker 10 (54:22):
Well, I mean, you can look at the offense that
Oregon has. I mean, there are two offenses that are
absolutely ridiculous in college football. I'm sure there's a lot more,
but you look at Oregon, you look at Ohio State,
both of them close to five hundred yards. Two years ago,
Oregon's offense averaged.

Speaker 8 (54:40):
Over five hundred yards a game.

Speaker 10 (54:42):
They averaged this year thirty nine points, last year thirty eight.

Speaker 8 (54:46):
The year before was over forty.

Speaker 10 (54:48):
So look, in this era of college football, you have
to score to win, and I don't mean seventeen points.
Those days are gone. Of seventeen fourteen scores. Score twenty
eight points in a game, you're not gonna win very many.
H He's an exciting brand, he's a younger guy. He's
embraced the nil and the transfer portal, and that's a

(55:10):
thing that took.

Speaker 8 (55:11):
You know, you look at all.

Speaker 10 (55:12):
These older coaches who are saying.

Speaker 8 (55:14):
I can't do this.

Speaker 11 (55:15):
Nick Saban, he's you.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
Know, you'd have thought he coached forever. He just said,
I'm not into paying these kids.

Speaker 8 (55:23):
And you know, so, I think it's.

Speaker 10 (55:26):
Huge that whatever program you have, be at Cincinnati, Kentucky
or USC, you've got to have somebody that understands the
nuances of now college football.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Is does he inherit a roster where he's gonna want
most of those guys back?

Speaker 10 (55:41):
Uh? Yeah, I think that this is a This is
a really good roster that there was one thing here
you were there is two things you're You were very
senior oriented, especially in the offensive line, but everywhere else.
It was a great sophomore class this year that Stoops
brought in two and some three years ago. A lot
of them were also red shirts. He's got a kid

(56:02):
like Cutter Bowlliot quarterback who's still three more years to play,
a great building block, two running backs coming back. The
weakness is going to be offensive line, but the defensive
line is stout. The secondary is really good. They've got
two juco players that have committed and another one yesterday.
Six twenty five pounders, so it's a pretty good roster. Well,

(56:23):
it really is. I just think that there was a
little staleness around the program and that's gone now and
I think there's a lot of excitement. Look, you want
to bring somebody in that's going to cite the fan base.
And it was between Heartline and Ohio State and Stein
that was the final two. And with Heartline, you know
that it's just a part time gig for him until

(56:44):
Ryan Day leaves and he takes a job at Ohio State.
So I'd love to have Heartline here. I think he's
a fantastic coach, but a kid like Stein would be
here for ten or twelve.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Years with Mark Steubs And look, he had ten wins seasons.
He accomplished a lot. But it did feel at the
end like it was time. After the Louisville game, he
was emphatic, I'm not going anywhere. You wouldn't expect him
to have given the fact that, uh, you know, he'd
be leaving a lot of money on the table, but
just given what he had done and given that buyout
that he's going to get, were you surprised that things

(57:15):
went down at the end of the way they.

Speaker 10 (57:16):
Did not, particularly because he he and Mitch Barnhardt, the
athletic directors, sat down and I in his contract if
he was terminated, which would have been with Sunday, in
his contract with sixty days, they had totained thirty seven
point seven million dollars and that was the sticking point.
And he went in and I don't know what the

(57:38):
final numbers were or the years, but he he, I guess,
gave in and said, look, we can spread this out.
I wanted to make this as amicable as possible. And
just today, about thirty minutes ago, well, he put out
a really nice statement saying, you know, he thanked the university,
all his players, coaches, and Big Blue Nation, and you know,
blah blah blah.

Speaker 8 (57:57):
But the key was spreading that out.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Now.

Speaker 10 (58:00):
I know, if it's ten years, it's still three point
seven million a year. That's pretty good salary for the
next ten years for sitting on you know, sitting.

Speaker 8 (58:05):
On your back porch and smoking a cigar.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I'd I'd like to do exactly that with a fracture
of that kind of money from an NIL perspective, And
this is the question that gets asked with every job
in America, every coach that gets hired. What's the NIL situation?
Is it good? Is it where it needs to be?
Where's it going to be under the new guy?

Speaker 8 (58:26):
I think it's good but not great.

Speaker 10 (58:28):
And the reason I say that is because you have
to remember there's a behemoth here that feeds the commonwealth
and that Kentucky basketball, and they have to get their share.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
You know.

Speaker 10 (58:43):
You know, they only give you twenty million dollars in
the SEC, so it's not split fifty to fifty, but
it's it's a pretty pretty fair amount goes to the
basketball team, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah. So I mean, is there is there a ground
swell of support to increase that for football? As Will
Stein that is going to be asked about nil? What
should this look like realistically moving forward for football? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (59:10):
I think we could talk about this all day. But basically,
the twenty million is what is given to you by
the NCAA, and then anything outside of that has to
be a true nil. Meaning you can't just pay a
guy money. He has to do a commercial. He has
to actually do something supposedly for the money.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Right.

Speaker 10 (59:30):
You can't just say here's a car and one hundred
thousand dollars come.

Speaker 8 (59:34):
To our school, you know, So that's the deal.

Speaker 10 (59:37):
And and JMI, which is the media outlet for the
University of Kitsuch.

Speaker 8 (59:44):
I think lear Field is for Cincinnati, you would know that.

Speaker 10 (59:46):
But you know, they pay a lot of money and
they're they're the ones that kind of the gatekeeper for NIL.
They have a huge collective down here that they take
care of. And that's one of the buckets is how
do we got twenty how do we fill these other
buckets to match that as it just for instance, you know,
Lane Kiffin, supposedly Elis you said, we'll give you twenty

(01:00:08):
five million dollars to build a football team.

Speaker 8 (01:00:10):
So that's what you're up against.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
All right, So you got Kentucky and Carolina tonight, and
then amid all this, the volleyball team might win a
national title, right wow.

Speaker 10 (01:00:22):
You know that's the thing that's crazy. They're going to
be at home all the way to the final four
as a number one seed and the number two team
in the nation. So it's pretty exciting. I don't know
if you've ever been. It's really cool to go see
in a person, it's it's it's actually a pretty exciting
and fun event to go see.

Speaker 8 (01:00:38):
But they're good.

Speaker 11 (01:00:39):
But yeah, basketball team plays.

Speaker 10 (01:00:41):
North Carolina tonight at nine thirty and then they turn
around to play goa Zagon on Friday.

Speaker 8 (01:00:45):
It's there.

Speaker 11 (01:00:46):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 10 (01:00:47):
People wanted them to play this hard, hard schedule. So
Mark Posts is sure, I'll take anybody. Well, he's lost
twice already on national television to Louisville Michigan State. Here's
the problem, Mo, You're probably gonna lose four or five
games in conference, right if you lose to North Carolina
tonight and possibly to Gonzaga on Friday. Now you're up

(01:01:07):
against it in trying to get into just get into
the NCAA tournament with all these losses.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah, and Mark Mark Pope looked like he was looking
for a rope after that Michigan State game, which was
not encouraging. All right, tell me quickly. You know Will
Stein's dad pretty well, right, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:01:24):
Matt and I were roommates back then, and Tony will
tell you all about this. We had what was supposedly
two a days, but three days we lived. So we
lived on campus together in the dorm and and he
was my roommate my sophomore year. So yeah, he's a
great guy. He played defensive end. He's an attorney in
Louisville now and still a huge He and his wife
both are UK graduates, so it'll be fun to see

(01:01:46):
him tomorrow at the press conference.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
All right, you have a lot going on. I appreciate
the time as always.

Speaker 8 (01:01:50):
Man, thanks so much anytime. Oh see, buddy, that's our.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
That's our guy. Jeff Pikoro, UK color analyst on the
UK Network for football and ABC thirty six in Lexington,
Kentucky plays North Carolina tonight nine thirty tip on ESPN
fifteen thirty and picks right the Wildcats. They played well
in certain stretches against Louisville. They played well in zero

(01:02:14):
stretches against Michigan State. Mark Pope look despondent. They have
a game tonight against Carolina, then in Nashville on Friday
at tilt against Gonzaga. All of this mid basketball. By
the way, Xavier's in the NCAA tournament. I'm trying to
get the coach on, but thus far no correspondence back.
The women's coach at Xavier is a Daton grant and

(01:02:36):
I won't even bring that up. We're way in Lake
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Anthony Munios is going to be here on the twenty first.
And I'm not sure you heard me mention this before,
but Santa Claus is going to be here December fourteenth. Again.
It amazes me that they got Santa Claus this time year.
You know, it's Giving Tuesday. This time year, you got
Black Friday, you got Cyber Monday. Most importantly, you have
Giving Tuesday. And the Reds Community Fund has announced a

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ten thousand dollars Giving Tuesday match from its board members
to tomorrow's Giving. The Giving Tuesday fundraising campaign efforts raising
money for scholarships benefiting thirty two graduating high school seniors
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the Reds Community Fund. Who will put all of this
far more eloquently than I just tried to is our
friend Charlie Frank, who's with us now.

Speaker 12 (01:06:18):
Hi, Charlie, I know, I hope I can deliver for
you when it comes to el.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Better than I just tried. Nonetheless, it's nice to have you.
How are you.

Speaker 12 (01:06:30):
I'm doing great, thanks, and I think he did just fine.
This is Giving Tuesday. Man, it's a crazy day for
I don't know anyone that has an email inbox. There's
a lot flowing through and we're guilty of that. But
it's a great concept, and you know, we're making some
good progress today in our efforts to help our thirty

(01:06:53):
two seniors.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
All Right, dive into specifics for me. What's happening today?

Speaker 12 (01:06:59):
Well, we received a ten thousand dollars match from the
red Community Fund Board and we're trying by the end
of the day to day to get to that ten
thousand dollars level from the general public. And that twenty
thousand dollars will go a long way towards our efforts
to provide a fifteen hundred dollars finish line scholarship to

(01:07:21):
all of our graduating seniors WET thirty two of them
last year and mo get this. Last year we had
a class of thirty eight. Nineteen of them went on
to play either baseball or softball at the collegiate level.
So that's not what it's all about, but it's really
cool when those numbers are growing and the kids are
getting a lot out of our program, both on the
field and off and today's a way to make sure

(01:07:42):
and when they get to the finish line that we
have scholarship dollars waiting for them, they don't have to
apply for them. If they meet the GPA, if they
check the box on all the community service requirements in
our workshop and seminar requirements and our efforts to create
major league citizens, and they'll receive the check.

Speaker 11 (01:08:01):
No questions asked.

Speaker 12 (01:08:02):
Whether they're going to school, whether going to whether they're
going to a trade school, whether they're going into the workforce,
the military. It doesn't have to be something about college.
But we just want to reward them for the great
work that they're doing to build their lives through the
you know, the Reds Community Fund and Arts Academy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
And folks can get involved. How do they do so.

Speaker 12 (01:08:25):
If you go to Reds dot com slash Giving Tuesday,
it'll give you options on how to jump in, it'll
give you more information along with a handful of testimonials
from some of our senior student athletes, and it'll tell
you a little bit about why this is so meaningful.
You know, a lot of the kids that we support
don't necessarily have you know, college on their trajectory for

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a host of reasons these days, let's face it. I mean,
there's so many reasons that kids may not opt traditional
undergraduate experiences these days. But you know, we're we're trying
to make sure that our seniors are leaving our program
with some support that really makes it easier for them
to move onto whatever that next stage might be. For that,
but red dot com slash Giving Tuesday is the address

(01:09:13):
where people can go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Reds dot com slash Giving Tuesday. I bring this up
to you often, and you've been kind enough to join
me frequently over over the years. The Reds Community Fund has,
for lack of a better way of putting it, been
in business for such a long time now that it's
got to be so rewarding to see from from adults,
from from men and women who have benefited from the

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program to see your work paid dividends with what they're doing.

Speaker 12 (01:09:43):
Yeah, it's incredible.

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
Mo.

Speaker 12 (01:09:45):
I can't put it in words. I mean, we celebrated
our twenty fifth year of existence this year, and you know,
probably the centerpiece of that effort, certainly not the only thing,
but you know, the opening of our Red Youth Academy
back in twenty fourteen, with Joe Morgan really being at
the forefront of that effort, not just figuratively, but you know,
really helping us raise money. And it was his initiative initially,

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you know, when they opened their first academy in Coton,
California in.

Speaker 7 (01:10:13):
Two thousand and six.

Speaker 12 (01:10:15):
So opening the doors that facility was probably are you know,
our most notable accomplishment. But there's so much every day,
even today on a snow day, you know, I saw
some kids and family members over in the building, you know,
working on their games and working in the classroom. It's

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you know, if you're not if you're paying attention every day,
you can see the impact. And I am so fortunate
because you know, I spend part of my time at
the at Great American Ballpark and I tap into all
the great energy there, regardless of what's going on with
the team, and every single day I have the you know,
the privilege to be able to pop into the academy,

(01:10:57):
you know, seven days a week and see all the
cool things going on there. And if you walk in
the front door and you see our player progress wall,
it features about thirty to forty young men and women
that have made our Hall of Fame. And it's young
men and women that aren't necessarily our best on the field.

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Some of them are, but it's the ones that really
are so well rounded that have earned scholarship money. And
mo I would say that probably a third of those
kids to your question are still involved either as volunteers,
as coaches, some of them as red staff, some of
them you know, have been trainers. I mean, it's the

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connections to a lot of the young people that have
come through our program. It's a living and breathing thing
that really makes this work stand out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
You can make a donation on Giving Tuesday to the
REDS Community Fund and they're giving Tuesday campaign REDS dot
com slash Giving Tuesday. There's plenty of time between now
and midnight, so get that on REDS dot com slash
giving Tuesday. The work of the Nike Reds RBI program
and of course the Red's Community Fund just absolutely awesome. Charlie,

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always good to have you man.

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
Thanks so much, Mode, thank you so much.

Speaker 12 (01:12:13):
I appreciate all your help with us anytime.

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yesterday again. Like I am, I am, I am. I
want to say optimistic. I'm hopeful that the Bengals can
go to Buffalo and win and stay in the race.
What they need to do to get to the postseason
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they finish eight to nine and win the division. I
don't think any of us want to go down it.
My fear is Baltimore beats Pittsburgh twice and then then
there's a lot of pressure to win that second game
against against the Baltimore Ravens. We will see, but I
do think there's something like, just I'm only looking at
this from a fans perspective. If you're a Ravens fan

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or a Steelers fan, understanding that your team has some
some some issues, how do you feel about the Bengals
not being dead going into a month where historically they
have been really good. More on that coming up on
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And because if the Thanksgiving holiday and taking last Wednesday off,

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I feel like I haven't talked to folks in our
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Sam and independent. Sam, thank you for your patience. You're
on ESPN fifteen thirty. Sam. How are you.

Speaker 13 (01:17:07):
I'm doing pretty good. Mo shoveled the driveway today, so
I got something done.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Very nice.

Speaker 7 (01:17:15):
I'm calling I.

Speaker 13 (01:17:20):
A video of you talking on Thanksgiving Day from your
house happened.

Speaker 7 (01:17:23):
To be in my YouTube feed.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
That's never good.

Speaker 13 (01:17:28):
I believe this was the day after the debacle against
EMU at fifth third. And I I agree with what
you say said about things feeling adrift. Yeah, but I
want I started thinking not just about you see basketball,
but you see football. It's just everything feels just so

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uninteresting right now.

Speaker 8 (01:17:53):
It's it's just so it's almost.

Speaker 7 (01:17:55):
A chore to keep up with it.

Speaker 13 (01:17:57):
Yeah, and it it just seems like the points you
made about by game losses and I started thinking about
some games Kentucky loss to buy games, and they had
common trends. There was one against Evansville in twenty nineteen.

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Evansville had a guy that scored twenty nine points and
scored six points in the last ninety seconds. Kentucky lost
a game in twenty twenty three to you, and I
believe you wudn't see Wilmington where you wudn't see Wilmington,
A team that shot barely thirty percent from three shot
forty five percent from three right in that game with

(01:18:43):
U see and even applying this to last night, I
know they won by sixteen or eighteen or whatever it was. Yeah,
against the team coach against the team coached by.

Speaker 8 (01:18:52):
Well, we know who coaches Tonald State.

Speaker 13 (01:18:54):
But yeah, yeah, that bad guy, uh somehow was coach
Kentucky at one point when they when they had seven
active players and they were only up two at halftime.
It's not that you see is the victim of overqualified
players who have to play at a lower level and

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seventh year seniors who used to be at big programs
or teams are just unconscious from three or as you
said in your video, the three point shot will always
be the great equalizer in basketball between talent levels.

Speaker 12 (01:19:30):
But with you see, it's just not.

Speaker 8 (01:19:34):
It's none of that.

Speaker 13 (01:19:35):
It's just that they go out there and they play uninspired,
lazy basketball, and they turn the ball over twelve times.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I would I would love twelve times. Have you twelve
times and a half?

Speaker 8 (01:19:46):
Yeah, that's in the first half.

Speaker 13 (01:19:47):
I mean seven or eight of them were just from
from Bob A.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Miller. Yeah, So on the bye game, because here was
here was I did do a video on Thanksgiving morning nine.
I appreciate you watching it. My take on that game was,
you know, they do happen. Mick had won the year
that he went to the Sweet sixteen, they lost to Presbyterian.

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He had a couple very early in his tenure, and
when they happen, you know, they're either like you know,
mixed first two years where they're rebuilding and they just
felt like inevitable speed bumps. You play enough games with
the team that's not ready, they're gonna stumble into a
game that they shouldn't lose. Or other team has a
dude who maybe is better than the level that he's

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playing at and he goes off. He scores twenty eight
or thirty and nobody can guard him and it was
just his night. Well, Eastern Michigan's leading scorer scored fifteen,
that wasn't the case. Or you know what, they just
go unconscious from three. You see this happen in the
NCAA tournament a lot, right, That's how upsets happened. Or
the lower seeded team just they're nuts from behind the arc.
And sometimes in a by game that'll happen, or sometimes

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they just play well enough to hang around and then
if a game is close in the last two minutes,
some crazy stuff can happen. None of those things were
in play on Wednesday. UC just got their tail kicked
by what might be an okay in the MAC Eastern
Michigan team that is not supposed to happen. That that
is not certainly doesn't have to define their season. But

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I think the frustrating thing for me is Number One,
it wasn't a flukey type game. It just felt like
Eastern Michigan came in and worked them. Number Two, I
don't think it was that surprising. I don't think it
was that shocking that they lost that game because they
had played so unevenly. I like how they defended in
the first half against Louisville. I thought that I thought
that was worth building on, and Wes tried to accentuate

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that after the game, but they were atrocious on offense
in the second half. They haven't done anything so far
in any of these games this season, whether it's been
against a good team like Louisville, a good team like Dayton,
or in any of the bye games, to make you
feel like they're gonna be a force to be reckoned
with in the Big twelve many field. They're gonna lose
to a Xavier team that is not that talented. Although improving.

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The thing about the Eastern Michigan game was it it
just it didn't feel that shocking. And at this stage
in the program's development with this coach, when you lose
a game like that, you should it should either feel
fluky or shocking, and Wednesday night felt like neither.

Speaker 8 (01:22:20):
I agree.

Speaker 7 (01:22:20):
It's it's just.

Speaker 13 (01:22:23):
And I mean it happens to everyone. Duke has lost
by games under coach k in the last but.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Xavier a few weeks ago got worked by Santa Clair.

Speaker 8 (01:22:38):
You can.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Yeah, no, look, it's it's it's a new coach. It's
a roster that everybody Yeah, by everybody's own admission, is
just not that talented and okay, like it's not good.
It was painful to watch in real time if you're
a Xavier fan, but you kind of shrug your shoulders
and go, you know what, this might be a part
of the process Wes. In his fifth season, he has

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a team that has been looked at as one that
has to get to the NCAA tournament for him to
save his job. Whether or not that's the case, you know,
we'll find out. I guess when that dynamic is in play.
You're not supposed to be getting worked by Eastern Michigan.
They lost that game by eight points, and I know
they made a run in the second half, but it
never felt like they were in danger Eastern Michigan of

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losing the game. It never felt like the Bearcats were
in control of it. They scored fifty six points against
the team that was picked to finish ninth in the MAC.
They got out rebounded, they got out worked. That's not
supposed to be happening right now.

Speaker 11 (01:23:36):
Yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 13 (01:23:40):
That's the thing the fifth years is. In his fifth year,
this is a roster he put together with with with
you see Santa Clair blowing out Zaber. You can say, fine,
it's it's almost like when when you see lost the
wall for many.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Mixed first year. It was the first year they lost by.

Speaker 13 (01:23:58):
Davis was the interim head coach, and he got and
UC got worked in their first game.

Speaker 8 (01:24:02):
I think they might have VCU.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Actually, yeah, it's VCU. That was a home and home
and that was a VCU team that went to the
tournament that year, nearly beat Ohios team.

Speaker 13 (01:24:11):
Yeah, but you can have an excuse Rick Patino's first
year of Kentucky in eighty nine, they lost to Southeast Louisiana, right,
and they're homeover when things are going to rebuild or
in the case of the Larry Davis thing, when you
see basketball was about a leadership of the program at
that point was about as stable as the Soviet unions

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of nineteen ninety.

Speaker 11 (01:24:36):
You can explain losses like that.

Speaker 13 (01:24:38):
You can't say anything about we were at one point
we played Eastern Michigan, who when they who isn't very
good in the Ken Palm rankings during the three hundreds.

Speaker 8 (01:24:53):
They think you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Talk about like they happen. When they happen, they feel
fluky because the coach of the program has a long
track record of success. I was in high school and
I remember the Friday night in nineteen ninety four. I'll
never forget this. I'll never forget this, the night they
lost a Baron Delta Beicac Classic. They lost to Kenesians.
They had a twenty and but you're like, all right,

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that's weird. That was a team with Danny Fords and
Lazelle Dirton, Darnell Burton, Keith Lagree, Art Long and it
was just like it didn't define their season. They won
the Great Midwest Tournament. That year they played in the
NCAA Tournament. But it was like, all right, for three
years this team has been awesome. They stubbed their toe
at the worst possible, you know time, and they lost

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to Canisius. That's not who they are, Mick losing the Presbyterian.
It was a bunch of dudes who had made the
second round of the tournament the year before. Was the
Nancy Gates and Sean Kilpatrick and Kashmir Right, and you're like,
all right, this isn't who this team is supposed to be.
It felt weird, and you just shrug your shoulders and go,
all right, these things happen. There's a track record of
success that makes you feel like they'll get better from

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this and this will prove to be an outlier that
UC team went to the Sweet sixteen. I like Wes
Miller a lot, but you can't say that about him.
What's the signature win, the track record of success where
you go, God, you know what, on a random Wednesday
night in November, they stub their toe against Eastern Michigan.
They lost. It happens, But you know what, that's not

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who this program is because of all the success that
preceded it. You can't say that. You can't say that.
And then you add to it just the way they've played,
even in games they have won, including last night, you know,
it makes you feel like the program to a large
degree is sort of just a drift, just out there
floating aimlessly. And that's not where this program is supposed

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to be at this point.

Speaker 13 (01:26:46):
Yeah, I agree, And it was reflected last night. Maybe
it's just because of the weather or the holiday hangover.
They didn't really have a lot of people wanted to
come watch them last night.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
The program needs buzz, and you know, we talked about
that leading into the Louisville game. Louisville's really good. Louisville
maybe in a Final four this year. I don't know,
Louive's really good. But like they they haven't had this
sort of victory. You know, Wescott won his first year
against Illinois as five years ago. They haven't had this
sort of victory that just injects buzz and excitement into

(01:27:20):
the fan base. And frankly, I don't think they're gonna
get one on Friday. If they beat Xavier, it's gonna
be okay. They finally won there, but they're supposed to
beat Xavier. It' the Xavier team is not very good
now again, man, they have improved, and I think they
certainly do play hard and they run some good stuff
on offense. I don't think a victory like that is

(01:27:42):
within Wes's grasp until we get to Big twelve play.
And how could you have watched this team play its
first eight games and feel like they're equipped to get
wins like that in Big twelve play?

Speaker 13 (01:27:52):
I agree, it just feels to go back to Kentucky.
It feels almost like the inverse of Kentucky football. They
said this stinks, and now I'm jumping the gun here
because we're fans. We always want to talk about who's
gonna get fired for something, and that's our that's our
our role in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
I guess, but it.

Speaker 13 (01:28:16):
If this doesn't get better, I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:28:21):
I just don't know. I don't.

Speaker 13 (01:28:25):
Again, I'm going to quote your videos to you know,
but Kelvin Samson said, we want to play our worst
basketball in November. This has to be the worst basketball
they play all season, or West isn't.

Speaker 8 (01:28:37):
This thing is in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
If it doesn't get better, they're gonna have not just
be on the outside looking into the NCAA Tournament. The
losses are dramatically going to outweigh the wins. And as
much as I personally really do like Wes, I think
he's going to be an impossible sell at that point
that Cincinnati basketball. I mean, you're not supposed to miss

(01:28:59):
the NCAA Tournament five years in a row. And I
think the other thing is I think folks look at
last year's roster and this year's roster and see talent,
Like look at where some of those dudes from last
year's team went. You know, Tyler Betsy went to Syracuse
and has had an up and down experience Stillan Mitchell's
playing for Rick Patino. You know, Josh Reid plays for

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a Big ten school. Dan Skillings is in the Big twelve.
It's not like those players laughed and then was like,
oh man, they've got to go down a level. There's talent.
I think there's talent on this year's team, and it
just last year it didn't feel like the piece is fit,
didn't feel like it came together. And it's only been
a month. College basketball teams do get better. March is
three months away, but right now it looks like it doesn't.

(01:29:43):
The performance on the court doesn't feel reflective of the
talent they have. I've loved the UC talk Sam call again.

Speaker 11 (01:29:50):
Okay, absolutely, Timo, there you go.

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Five after five. We are a few minutes late for
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And Sean has pretty much allowed me to lay on
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The door is opened, and so Shawn's with us to

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hear my optimistic vibes. And it's good to have you. Sean.
How are you?

Speaker 7 (01:31:28):
No, I'm doing great. Look, no one's doing better than me.

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
I'm already thinking of all right, how many wins does
it take to get to the playoffs. How many losses
from the Ravens are the Steelers does it take for
you to steal the division? I was so juiced on
Thanksgiving night. It was really really fun. You know, my
family knows you're going to talk about the Bengals. You
gotta watch the game.

Speaker 7 (01:31:46):
I was optimistic going into that game.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
But to come out with that result, I think it
is a really awesome, awesome place to be right now
for the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Was Thursday night From a Bengals defensive perspective, Was it
Bengals defense really good? Or did Baltimore just make too
many mistakes?

Speaker 11 (01:32:02):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
I mean, anytime you get that many turnovers, it's going
to be a little bit wonky. Where how pretty stive
is that on a week two week basis, I would.

Speaker 7 (01:32:10):
Say, you know, I'm not going to be expecting them
to get.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
Five turnovers again. But the Bengals, Eina did do some
good things where they're going to try and heat up
Lamar Jackson a bunch. You're going to sign a bunch
of blitzers. Where we have talked earlier this year like
what the heck can Al Golden actually do? And one
thing is increase variants. Through a bunch of blitzers, you're
able to get a bunch of positive plays against the
ravend Boffins, who has been struggling.

Speaker 7 (01:32:31):
A little bit so far this season.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
I think when they blitz through Lamar Jackson was three
or four eleven for only sixty nine yards, an interception,
and a sack, his second worst performance against the blitz
in his entire career. So I would hope that the
Bengals continue to do that. And you're gonna get burned
right sometimes, But when you have been clicking on offense,
let's go un roll the dice and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
This might be kind of a stupid question. They're playing
linebackers who call it what it is, they're not great
in coverage, Carter and Demetrius Knight. This is maybe a
really dumb question. But if you have linebackers on the
field who are not good in coverage, why don't you
send them toward the quarterback every play?

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
I don't think it's a stupid question at all, though
that mak it makes sense to think.

Speaker 7 (01:33:12):
About it like that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
And you know when the Bengals were in zone coverage,
so you have everyone kind of spaced out and you're
able to maybe attack just a little bit. Lamar Jackson
was able to cause a bunch of problems against the
Bengals defense even without them scoring points. So you do
increase your risk a lot because you're now asking a
lot of your safeties in coverage, of your quarterbacks in coverage,
and those are spots that I think the Bengals maybe

(01:33:35):
they'll love every single piece that they have on the defense.
So you're introducing have a big variability where maybe you're
gonna let up this big play, so you can I
think at this point where you have a defense that
you know, people keep telling me, man, you have to
watch this historically bad defense. It's the worst defense since
X year or a Y year. So you're gonna say, hey,
am I going to increase variants with blitz is with

(01:33:56):
a ton of pressure, let me try and get one.
They've bangled did a nice job where you're make it
look like you're bissing, but I'm actually gonna drop out
of it. I'm gonna try and get the quarterback in
the wrong place a little bit. You're able to get
a deflection, you're able to get an interception. So there's
that approach, or you can say, well, I'm just gonna
drop out. All these guys make you kind of chip away,
throw the ball five yards at a time down the field.

Speaker 7 (01:34:16):
And I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
I guess I'm a little bit aggressive by nature in
the football world. So I like the idea of let's
go let's go ahead and attack a little bit there
and now, like you were talking about the Ravens, all
mant of the Ravens.

Speaker 7 (01:34:27):
Like going to be able to figure out their issues.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Yeah, no, And I think that's that's kind of why.
You know, Look, it's obvious, right they're four and eight.
The only way you're still in it if you're four
and eight is if the teams in front of you
are you know, five hundred clubs, and Baltimore's got issues,
Pittsburgh's got issues. Stay with the Bengals defense with me though,
really quick when you watch everybody else and then you
watch DJ Turner like we see him here and go, okay,

(01:34:51):
you know that's that's the guy you can move forward with.
That's a guy who's maybe playing at a Pro Bowl
caliber level. Ton of passes. Defense is that you know,
us looking at this through orange and black colored glasses,
and when you compare him to other guys at the
same position, is he really playing at a high level
that we kind of assume year he is.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
I do think he is playing at a high level
where you know they see a first team All Pro.
Maybe not, but I do think he's a player that
should absolutely be a strong part of this defense going forward.
And he consistently ranked high in our grades. He is
constantly showing that piece, constantly showing up on screen. You
see it with your eyes. You don't even have to
trust the numbers. Where I do think he can make
plays on the ball. I do think he can help
out the secondary and then you can load more onto

(01:35:33):
just like his plate in terms of how much space
in the field he has to cover. And now you're
able to ask other guys a little bit less, So,
you know, do I consider him the same? Like this
is a Durelle reebis, like we're going to lock down
an entire side of the field for the entire season.
Maybe not, but you don't have to be that. In
the modern NFL. You can have a really real positive
piece there where now when the coverage aspect of everything
is a little bit better, Now you're able to see

(01:35:55):
some of those pass rushers k off a little bit.
So I really enjoyed Dj Turner. I feel like we
last year it was Chase Brown for me just watching
him be like, oh, I think I really like this player.

Speaker 7 (01:36:03):
It's the same for DJ Turner this year.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Uh A says the performance of the Bengals offensive line
for me, are they actually like good?

Speaker 11 (01:36:13):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
Well, if you're able to keep Joe Burrow clean, like,
that's where all that matters.

Speaker 7 (01:36:17):
I do think Burrow helped out a little bit in
terms of.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
How he can move in the pocket, like thanks, thankfully
he still has that ability. I'm sure he's not one
hundred percent and he's got to wear something weird in
issue and I'm sure it's probably hurting a little bit
the morning after the game. But no, Indeed, I could
say all the Ravens defensive line is actually is underachieving too.

Speaker 7 (01:36:34):
But I'm comfortable where if you.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
Start to string together positive performances where you're able to
have Burrow really avoid some of those hyper negative plays,
you're like what you're asked to do in past production.

Speaker 7 (01:36:45):
I really think it's harder sometimes for Joe Burrow, right,
because you need to protect a little bit longer. He's
going to move around in the pocket.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
So maybe a guy runs away from me and you
grab Jersey and now you get a holding where Joe
Placco he's gonna stand there.

Speaker 7 (01:36:57):
That ball is out in two point two five seconds.

Speaker 8 (01:36:59):
We're moving on.

Speaker 7 (01:37:00):
It is a little bit of a tougher job, but
I think you should be happy with.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
Okay, like we're moving in the right direction here.

Speaker 7 (01:37:05):
After that performance on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
So they go to Buffalo this week they played the Bills,
and the last three games they've played, we've had three
like different offensive performances. They Josh Allen was unstoppable against
Tampa Bay and then that Houston defense against the Bills
on that Thursday night I think was very eye opening
for a lot of people. I thought against Pittsburgh they

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were mostly pedestrian. What can the Bengals borrow from a
defense like the Houston Texans that they could apply to
a Sunday and trying to pull off the upset.

Speaker 4 (01:37:39):
I mean, if they can borrow Will Anderson at defensive end,
that'd be lovely.

Speaker 7 (01:37:42):
That'd be a nice little a nice little move for them.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
I think that. I mean, Houston is a special, special defense.
So it's so hard to say, hey, what can.

Speaker 7 (01:37:50):
We kind of borrow? I will say though, I think
that the Bills.

Speaker 11 (01:37:54):
I think the.

Speaker 7 (01:37:54):
Bills know this.

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
Dare receivers are not particularly threatening at this time, Like
they just are not. And the Bills were against the Steelers,
they were just able to spam.

Speaker 7 (01:38:02):
Hey, We're gonna run it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
Straight at you as often as we can until you break.

Speaker 7 (01:38:07):
So it probably is a game where you load the
box up where you're attacking downhill.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
And I do think the Bills, but once when you
have a quarterback that can run right once they break
that glass in case of emergency and say we're gonna
like have our quarterback carry the ball five six times,
that to me shows like, okay, the offense is saying, hey,
like we are we really need to press, we really
need to press.

Speaker 7 (01:38:27):
And I think the Bills are kind of reaching that point.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
So I feel like, hey, you can feel confident what
turn around the outside?

Speaker 7 (01:38:34):
I don't think they're gonna be able to just.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
Like totally shred you and out these famous last words here,
Like I still think that, you know, the Bills receiver
shouldn't be able to totally.

Speaker 7 (01:38:43):
Dominate on the outside. Now, what can you get over
the middle, that would be a question.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
So I'm curious because I think something about Josh Allen
that's been a little bit different this year is his
play under pressure has just dropped back just a little bit.
Now you're taking a bunch of sacks in situations where
during those Superman.

Speaker 7 (01:38:59):
Seasons just unsackable.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
So if you're able to kind of generate that, you're
able to kind of continue that approach from how you
took it against Lamar, you know I'm gonna do left
that game with great interests, is what I'll say.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
All Right, there you go, Sean sayaed Sumer Sports. By
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Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
Bro I was looking at it and like all their
rushing numbers were like bright green, like fantastic performance.

Speaker 7 (01:39:26):
And then I'm like, oh, well, what happened here? It's
like an eleven carry found.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
It's it's tough, you know, It's it's about that.

Speaker 7 (01:39:32):
But hey, I'm not complaining. I'm so happy that we
can talk about a Bengals win again.

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Speaker 7 (01:40:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
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and I know you're on the edge of your seat
waiting to find out what that player's name is. They
have signed a player named Jalen Kimber to the practice
squad rookie from Penn State. He's a corner college free
agent of Tennessee, a signee of Tennessee back in May.
Then he was cut. Then he went to the Bills
four games on their practice squad. He was cutting eyes
with the Bengals, and I would go ahead and the

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Lamar Hunt Trophy now that he is here, Bengals and
Bill Sunday at one game is on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Pre game coverage starts at nine o'clock. A good one
tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty. It's Kentucky and Carolin. I'm
talking about men's college basketball right now. If you're wondering
nine thirty tip off pregame at eight on ESPN fifteen thirty. Also,
this evening, Miami takes on Indiana University East, which I

(01:43:22):
just found out today exists. Dayton battles East Tennessee State,
and The Richard Patino Show, produced by Tarren Bland, will
be tonight at seven o'clock on fifty five KRC. If
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call and get you on immediately. Let's see here. Do

(01:43:44):
I offer up a few more sports opinions or take
a phone call. Hell, let's talk to Mike. Mike, you're
on ESPN fifteen thirty. Mike, go ahead, what's up?

Speaker 11 (01:43:53):
Thank you, mod Did you have a wonderful Thanksgiving with
Crosley and your beautiful boy?

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
I had a great eight Thanksgiving. Crosley had a blast,
my wife had a blast. My in laws made a
wonderful meal. I played Left right Center with my daughter
and nieces and nephews, and I won eighteen dollars. Taught
him a little bit about gambling. It was a really
good Thanksgiving. Thank you for asking. Everything good with you?

Speaker 11 (01:44:18):
Eighteen bucks? Come on, man, don't you don't play with
eighteen bucks?

Speaker 8 (01:44:22):
But you know what the kids for?

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
The little kids? I was supposed to get up to
play a little kids.

Speaker 11 (01:44:28):
Sorry, I'm miss under I misunderstood you. So you took
the kids for eighteen bucks?

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Yeah, took him for eighteen bucks. We played left right center.
Each person has three bucks. There were six kids and.

Speaker 11 (01:44:38):
Me me, I god, you hate them much?

Speaker 7 (01:44:42):
Just too.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
It's a lesson about gambling.

Speaker 11 (01:44:46):
Who's worse you are, Steven Ah Smith? I'm trying to
decide right now. But anyway, I don't even believe you
told me that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
But we're playing. We're playing the game. We're playing the
game for money? Right? Was he playing? I won the game?
I took the money.

Speaker 11 (01:45:05):
Did you then distributed to the children?

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Well, first of all, I provided the twenty one dollars
for the game, so I want my own money back.
And then yes, because I'm not a heartless jerk, I
each gave them their three dollars.

Speaker 11 (01:45:20):
See, this is my endeavorate investigative reporting. But obviously I
have a long way to go, so you have to
let this straighten me out.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
This is, you know what on I haven't done a
poll question and this is gonna be my pole question
on Twitter. Is it okay to take money from children
if you're playing left right center with them?

Speaker 11 (01:45:40):
Did you have a couple of sensational catches and you know,
like relays and stuff? Uh? No, Okay, okay, that's right again,
you're honest. Hey, uh a couple of things. I know
you only got a second. Do you think Patino is
a better coach? I know it's a little early, but
do you your impression right now? I feel like Richard

(01:46:04):
Patino Junior is a better coach than Wes mow Well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
He's accomplished more than than Wes has at a at
a high major level. He's taken teams to the NCAA tournament.
I think when I look at the two teams this year,
I think Wes. I think West's team has more talent.
I think Richard's team is getting better now. That certainly
doesn't necessarily mean that Richard Patino's team is going to
win the game on Friday, but I do think it's

(01:46:30):
interesting from this perspective. When the season first started, and
it was just a few weeks ago, I think a
lot of folks looked at the Skyline Chili Crosstown shootout
as inevitable UC's finally gonna win at this excuse me
at the Centa Center, because of how uninspired they played
against Lemoyne, because of how they got beaten against Santa Clara,
and to a degree, how they played against Iowa. I

(01:46:52):
think since then, I don't I don't believe in the
Big East is not very good. Hasn't looked very good
so far this year. I don't think Xavier is gonna
win more than six or seven games in the Big East.
But they are getting better. They are improving. I think
on the offensive end, you're seeing guys carve out certain roles.
They still miss a lot of shots at the rim.

(01:47:14):
But if you watch that team last night, or if
you watch them play in the event they were in
with Georgia and West Virginia, and you compare that to
some of the games they played really early, you see improvement.
I don't think you see that with Wes Miller's team
this year. Now. I do believe the Bearcats have more
talent than Xavier does. They are a different team when

(01:47:35):
Boba Miller's on the floor, even though he wasn't good
last night, but the team sort of feels the same
as it did back on November third when they played
their first game, and Richard's team does feel like it
has gotten better.

Speaker 11 (01:47:50):
Yeah, that's why I was, well, that was just my perception.
I have no idea what that's gonna end up.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
And look, it doesn't have to be one guy's better
than the other. They could both be good. That's the
idea here. But there's a natural compare and contrast. Richard
Patino is in his first season, Wes Miller is in
his fifth. Richard Patino's team has a talent issue. I
think even die hard Musketeer fans would admit that, but
it looks like they're improving. Wes Miller has a team

(01:48:17):
where I think folks are cool with the talent. It
doesn't feel like the team so far has improved that
it goes without saying Mike has to change.

Speaker 11 (01:48:25):
Let me run this, let me run one football question
by and I heard Steve Young be interview this morning.
Steve Young is extremely intelligent. He's also a lawyer after
he quit football. He might have had his degree before
he started playing football. I'm not sure, but Steve Young

(01:48:46):
is really good on an interview in my opinions, and
I think in this good very guy that you guys
interviewed for the Bengals. You can tell this guy looks
at film. He's like the Greg Cosell of the Bengals.
You know, the guy is really When Austin talked doing today,
I learned a lot and it was it was really

(01:49:07):
a cool experience. This guy is really sharp. I never
really paid attention to him, but he is sharp. My
overall question is when they asked Steve Young today, uh,
what how do you how why is Stafford excluding the
last game, how is Stafford doing so well? And he said, here,

(01:49:31):
here's what's going on. Look at the guys that really
excelled and that were drop back quarterbacks, Peyton Brady Breeze,
for instance, now there's none of those guys left, just
straight drop back passers. They're they're they're pretty much gone.

(01:49:51):
And so his opinion was Rogers is the only Rogers
and Stafford the only two left. But my point is
that the guys that learned in the past are much
better at reading everything, and they shred defenses much better

(01:50:11):
than this new breed of quarterback that's coming along.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Now.

Speaker 11 (01:50:15):
He didn't mention Joe, and I was hoping he would,
and because Joe's probably right in that box, all pretty
much right. But I thought it was interesting because he
said these guys are had been forced to learn how
to read defenses, how to anyway, you know, just idiosyncrasies everything.
What do you think as opposed to the current quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Well, I'm not sure I completely understand what the question is, like.

Speaker 11 (01:50:41):
Like, well, no, no, the question was that the guys
that came up a little earlier and two of them
are still around, Stafford and Rogers, Rogers has heard all
the time, but that these guys are are better suited
for reading defenses, for making changes at the line of scrimmage,

(01:51:02):
for doing what they had to do in the pass,
which is passed from the pocket or don't pass at all.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Basically, Well, I think quarterbacks today, I think quarterbacks today
have a lot more to process. I think quarterbacks today
have a lot more to process. But you know, I
go back. I'm old enough for remember Michael, when quarterbacks
like called their own plays. Yeah, legitimately would run a
first down play and then decide here's what we're gonna

(01:51:31):
run on second down. There was no helmet in the
no radio in the helmet. But I also feel like
defenses are so complex. Offenses are so complex. There's so
much scouting in prep time by the opposing defense that
to ask a quarterback to do that is is a
little bit much. I think what has gotten better. I

(01:51:53):
think mobility is almost a prerequisite now to play QB. Yeah,
there's got to be a level of mobile ability that
if you had it, it was cool, but you didn't
necessarily have to have it back then. I think you
have to have it now. I hope that answered your question.

Speaker 11 (01:52:10):
Yeah, Ja, if you get a chance, just pick up that.
I heard it on the Patrick Show this morning. I
didn't I didn't explain it as well as Steve was.
It'd probably be five minutes of your time, but it
was very enlightening. Thank you, mother, having a great night.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Thank you. I just put the pole question about keeping
the kids money on Twitter. Thanks United Heartland Insurance. We're done.
Thanks to the staff at Oakley Greens. Come meet Anthony
Munios in Santa Claus later this month. Come watch the
shootout here Friday night. Have an awesome night. Thanks to
Drew wester Heidi for producing on site. Thanks to Tarren
Bland for producing back in Kenwood. H And We're done.
Have a great night. Back at it tomorrow. Three to

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