All Episodes

February 7, 2025 16 mins
James Rapien previews potential offseason moves by the Bengals
Mark as Played
Transcript

Episode Transcript

Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Twenty one ever Free and this is the SBS fifteen
thirty up. James Apreena is with us Enter the Jungle,
locked on Bengals, Bengals Talk.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Dot Com, author of Enter the Jungle and.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
On x at James Orpene. How's it going?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Oh well, how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
You know?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm doing well. You know you wrote that book End
of the Jungle about a year and a half ago.
You you you could probably start on this now and
it would be great. You could probably write a book
on this Bengals offseason that's starting.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Oh no, I probably could, and honestly, I should be
able to write it now because what the Bengals do
should be very predictable. And I'm serious, it should be
very easy to predict. Now. Maybe you get some of
those you don't know the draft picks yet, it's in
their positions. You don't know exactly who they're going to

(00:54):
sign in free agency, but what they do with their
own guys, it should be very very predictable.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Bo I feel like there's a desire and maybe I'm
guilty of it too, but I kind of feel like
there's we're over complicating this, right, We're over complicating sort
of the basics of the off season, all the stuff
that Joe Burrow was talking about. Uh, do you feel
the same.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, I don't understand. There is no debate for me,
like I know that there has been for some and
you can do that. And by the way, this is
coming from me, the person that loves trades and loves
transactions and loves to making news and loves being aggressive.
And I'm saying, hey, how about you keep what you know,

(01:40):
and what you know is your second, third, and fourth
best players on your roster. You need to get paid.
That's what we're talking about here. And and when we
have those discussions, it's like, okay, well, Jamar Chase. Everyone
agrees Jamar Chase should get paid, all right, So he
gets paid, so we don't need to discuss that. And
then you look at Trey Hendrickson, the third best player. Yeah,
he's he's getting there in age, but he's had arguably

(02:02):
the best season of his career, is still extremely productive,
and the defense was awful around him. So it would
be like, oh, could you imagine if Jamar was thirty
and he had Jake Browning throwing him the ball and
he had fifteen hundred plus yards. That's what Trey Hendrickson
just had on this defense. Obviously, you pay him, and

(02:23):
T Higgins will your franchise quarterback, loves him, wants him,
and you haven't shown that you can draft another wide
receiver really since Jamar And I'm not trying to insult
everybody that they've drafted since then because I like those guys.
But from a wide receiver two standpoint, I don't think
there's a wide receiver too in the waiting in the wing.
So yeah, pay him, You're not paying anyone else, And

(02:45):
so that's where I'm at. I think that the Bengals
offseason story, that part of it should already have been written.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
What do you think will happen with T Higgins?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think T really wants to be in Cincinnati now.
I also think T isn't going to take a twenty
two million dollar on practice day in Cincinnati. He's not
going to take millions and millions off the table. And
to me, the agent change is like the bat signal

(03:25):
for the Bengals front office and the fact that that
happened in line with Joe Burrow on December ninth, after
that Monday night game where no one really expected this
to come up. I mean, I think I think before that,
it's probably a month before that. If you would have
asked the Bengals and given them truth to him, they said, oh, yes,
he's going to walk in free agency. Maybe we tag
and trade him, but he's not going to be on

(03:46):
the team at twenty twenty five. They don't know how.
If you're that front office, you listen to Joe Burrow
and then you also watch what T did this year.
When to me, not by receiving yards or receptions really
closer receptions, but not by receiving yards. Did he had
his best year but had the most touchdowns of his career.

(04:07):
Was just a chain mover. I thought he had some
really big catches over the middle and big plays. Was
more physical than he's been over the middle in past years.
And he's twenty six years old. Though, So when I
put all that together, like, Okay, let's say he plays
twelve games. Well, if you can give me twelve regular
season games and you're good to go for the playoffs,
I'm okay paying you. So I would pay him. I

(04:30):
think the best of T Higgins is about to happen.
I don't think it's happened yet. I think it's about
to happen, and I don't if I'm the Bengals, I
don't want to see that happen in another uniform.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
What's your best guess as to what the course of
action is with Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I guess I didn't answer the t Higgins question all
the way. I think they resigned him because I'm not
sure how they don't in look Joe with a straight face.
So there you go. As far as Trey, they've gotten
too deal's done with his agent before, and I think
that's a factor here. You get that initial deal done
before he's a superstar or a star. I don't think

(05:07):
he's a superstar, but he's a star. And then he
wants to get paid. You give him that one year extension,
so he's gotten two deals done with him. I don't
see how or why both sides wouldn't say, okay, well
this makes sense. And to me, what makes sense is,
all right, well you get a pay raise around around
five to six million dollars a year in that twenty

(05:28):
five million dollars per year range. You're under contract this year,
we'll give you a little bit more money this year,
train and we'll we'll sign you for the next two
seasons through twenty twenty seven. That makes a ton of
sense to me. A three year, seventy five million dollar deal.
I think that gets done because I do think that
the Bengals plan on getting all three of these deals done,

(05:49):
and No wants to make sure they get done, so
he is not going to be shy publicly when asked
about it, and I don't think he's been shy privately
to My expectation is for T Bray and Jamars who
all get done this offseason and part of that mode. Again,
I'm the transaction guy. I'm the guy that for ESPN

(06:10):
fifteen thirty dot com wrote about free agents years and
years and years ago that the Bengals probably never even considered.
Let's think about this now, Let's think about who it's
coming from. This free agent class is not what past
free agent classes have been. There are good players, but
Trey Henderson and t Higgins up would be the top
two free agents. Obviously he may hit free agency, they

(06:30):
would be the top two. There's your guys, keep them
and so that's why my expectations are pretty high that
they keep their trio happy and keep all three around.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
What do you think Trey Hendrickson's true trade value would be.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
See that this is it's so interesting because obviously there's
a defensive end and Trey would probably this agree. But
there's a defensive end that's better than him that's available,
and he's three hours away, and so Cleveland could say
he's not on the trade market, but he is. And
if you're a team looking for a pass rusher, who
would you rather have, Well, you're certainly going after Miles

(07:09):
over Trey, and that's no insult to Trey. But I
think that the market is kind of held up. If
I'm a team that's really going after it and a contender,
let's say the Lions, Well, if you can get Miles
Garrett and it takes a little more patience and it
takes an extra draft teck or two at another asset

(07:29):
or two, wouldn't you rather have Miles Garrett to try
to maximize what you have. So if you're Trey Hendrickson,
I get to pay me or trade me mantra he
had this week at Radio Row. At the same time,
relax with your card a little bit. I would be
careful there because if the Bengals offer you a fair value,

(07:53):
I think The reason you take it is because do
you want to be in Limbo? Are you happy in Cincinnati?
Do you want to go through it knowing you're under contract?
And how hard you have to push? I mean, he
demanded a trade last year and it lasted like twelve hours.
I mean it would have to get ugly, I think
for the Bengals to truly move him, because I do
think they want to pay him, so as far as

(08:13):
value goes, I think they would want a first round pick.
I'm not sure they're going to get a first round
pick for Trey. He needs to get paid. He's not
Mile Garrett. And if you're giving up a first rounder,
you probably want to get Miles Garrett. So I would
say a two, maybe a two and a five, a

(08:34):
second rounder and a proven player or something like that.
But I don't think it would be nearly as high
as the Bengals would want or some same trade Tray
think it would be.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I
agree with that sentiment. James Rapine locked on Bengals Bengals
Talk dot Com. Enter the jungle now you know, and
I mean, you've already addressed this, but I'm gonna throw
t any like you're gonna folks who hear this ago
that sounds cool, Then what are you going to do

(09:04):
with the rest of the team.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yep, yeah, I think that that's to me is such
a to me, that is a very simple answer. Now
to others that they're gonna say, oh, well, fifty five
million dollar quarterback, forty million dollar receiver, thirty million dollar
receiver with twenty eight million dollars pass start, and it

(09:27):
just it doesn't work that way. It doesn't. And for example,
Jamar Chase is it's all about cap Jamar Chase's salary
cap number is going to go down the moment they
signed into an extension this year, so they'll have more
money to work with this year. And so long story short,
without getting in all tall the cat minutia, they have
plenty of cap space after they cut the Sheldon rankins

(09:48):
is and they get rid of the insert whoever you
think that they're going to cut. Maybe it's Alex Kapa,
Maybe you think that it's Sam Hubbard. Maybe you think
that Sam Huggard takes a drastic pay cut in space
they're going to be able to free. We have so
much money that they should have plenty of cap space
to work with to not only keep that trio, but
to go out there in the free agent market and

(10:10):
address guard and address a defense that certainly probably needs
playmakers that at at least the first two levels defensive
line and specifically defensive tack. Well, I think you're signing
a veteran there, and then you might sign a linebacker
who knows what happens with Jermaine Pratt. So they obviously
have some needs. I think they can address those, still

(10:30):
feel comfortable cap space wise, and then go into the
draft in a really good spot. But it's going to
take them being aggressive. And I think the thing that
concerns me MO in the past couple of years, whether
it's Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase. Last year, these extensions and
they didn't get Jamar done. They obviously got Joe done.

(10:51):
They went way too long. It went, they went through
free agency and said, all, well, we'll address this, we'll
address this, And to me, it's got to be the
opposite this year. Unless they're going to be comfortable pushing
the limit and free agency ahead of time, you have
to still maximize what you have, and so I think

(11:12):
the way to do that is to try to get
these deals done now and then by the time mid
March walls around you know exactly what you're looking at
from a cap space standpoint.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
When do you start doing mock drafts.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Not yet. I'm still learning the players. I think it's
still the initial, you know, the initial look at this class.
I will say this, I think from a needs perspective,
it's good and it's going to fit. It's going to
line up. But you don't draft for need. And that's

(11:47):
what I'm going to have to convince everyone in this
town about over the next two and a half months,
because there's a scenario where they maybe pass on a
defensive player in the first round.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, you know, you know how it's going to go, right,
I mean right, everybody's gonna remember what happened with the
defense last year, regardless of what they do between now
and the draft and free agency, and and there's gonna be,
you know, screams from everywhere to address that side of
the football. And that's not how it's done, and it's

(12:21):
not how it should be done. And by the way,
it's not like they don't have needs on offense either.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
That's it. That's it. I remember walking from practice in
like November, and I forget who I was talking to.
I was probably talking to multiple writers and reporters, and
I was like, you know, if they take a garden
round one, I wouldn't be mad at it. And that
was like November, like they were still on the playoff
on I'm like, if they take a garden round one,
like knowing that they might not resign the guy long

(12:48):
term because they never paid guards big money, Like knowing
all that, I'm like, Ah, wouldn't be mad at it.
I think it will make a lot of sense. So
I think there are a lot of scenarios where that's
the case. Said. That's why I'm I'm pretty open. Aren't
many positions that I would point to in at least
at this moment. Think there's no chance they draft that
position because they're open. I know that, And they should

(13:12):
be open because they have either a lot of needs
or that position isn't good enough to say how we
need to pass on the best player at that spot.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Uh makes sense. Appreciate it, man, have a great weekend.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
I thought you were going to ask me my draft take.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
See we got time. I hold you forever. You know,
we'll do it. Like, we're not, We're not We're not
even to the combine yet. The NFL season's not over.
Do you have like an early, early, early in the
process draft take or like you know you're still learning
the players, but like, do you have a guy that
you're like, you know what this is the dude I'm

(13:50):
gonna be talking about for two and a half months,
give it to me.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Well, they're all guys certainly that that are interesting. I'm
not there yet with the specific guy. Here's what I
will say on the Saturday after the draft, when all
the dust is settled. They only have six picks, which
I think is the silliest narrative ever. But they have
six picks. At least two of them will be spent
on skill players, one on a running back, one on

(14:14):
a tight end write that down, one on a receiver
of Tea leaves but Tea better not leave, as I
mentioned earlier in the interview, But two on skill players
nodel at least, which is really going to get people excited.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Wow, I'm writing that down as perfect.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
By the way, I think I'm not willing to roll
out skill player in round one. And there you go.
Not willing to roll it out yet. Oh, people will
be so mad, so mad.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
You know that that show I do on the afternoon
of the draft. I want you to say that that afternoon.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Okay, Oh I can't. I can't wait for it. I'll
have a good handle then on who they're pay by
seventeenth overall, we uh, but we knew what Marius was
likely the god last year. So yeah, well right, we'll
be ready to go. We'll be ready to go.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Mo I can't wait. All right, You're the best, Thanks man.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Thanks mom, Sia.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
James Repine locked on Bengals Bengals Talk dot com. Enter
the Jungle at James Repine twenty four from four ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic from the.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
UC Health Traffic Center. Heart disease is the leading cause
of death in the US. If you're at risk, trusts
the experts at u se Help for Innovative and Personalized Heartcare.
Expect more at ucehelp dot com. Eastbound two seventy five,
the exit ramp to Mostellar Road is closed off. That
is due to an accident. Suthbound seventy one seventy five

(15:51):
before Dixie Highway. Accident off on the right shoulder and
vision weights police activity at I seventy five I'm at
Ezelac traffic.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
This report is sponsored by Staples to

Mo Egger News

Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

Dateline NBC

Dateline NBC

Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com

24/7 News: The Latest

24/7 News: The Latest

The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.

Therapy Gecko

Therapy Gecko

An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.