March 11, 2025 • 38 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss the Bengals, free agency, the continuing Ja'Marr, Tee, and Trey sagas, and whether the Bengals have a cash problem.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:04):
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you for listening. Hopefully you're having an awesome Tuesday afternoon.
It is just gorgeous outside. The UC basketball team. The
men's basketball team wins again in the first round of
the Big Twelve Tournament. West Miller's team, taking care of
Oklahoma State in Kansas City by a score of eighty
(00:25):
seven to sixty eight. Bearcats advance to tomorrow. They'll take
on a decidedly better opponent, Iowa State at twelve thirty
tomorrow afternoon, So we'll effectively be the sports talk radio
postgame show for that tilt and looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We will go.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
To Kansas City coming up at five oh five, and
we'll hear from Wes Miller as well. Kat's played well today,
beat an Oklahoma State team that frankly they should have
beaten on Saturday. And you can't help but ask what if?
And look, they're going to be huge underdogs tomorrow and
understandably so, but you can't help it. What if had
they taken care of business in some of these games,
but they have lost.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We are.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
We're looking at the tomorrow's game through a slightly different lens,
a win and intilled perhaps unfortunately win and he simply
now move on to the quarterfinals if they pull off
the upset. More on that throughout the course of the afternoon.
It's Tuesday, and it's the first time in a while
he's been here because I was out last week and
he was at the NFL Scouting Combine listening to a
(01:23):
Duke Tobin write checks that nobody seems willing to cash.
Paul Dayner Junior, who has been podcasting and youtubing, is
face off the last couple of days and with the
Athletic Dot Com as well. The Growler podcast now has
its own Twitter feed, Yes, which is enormous.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It is you got you know, we're it's there's there's
the TikTok as well.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You know all that stuff you gotta have. You gotta
have that? Are you you a big TikToker?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, you should. You should get on board at it
to You could use a few more.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I got Twitter, more social outlets, I got Instagram.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, I got a marginal presence on face. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I have a Thread's account, I have a Blue Sky,
I have not touched either.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Of those people having to lean into the threads and
the blue sky yesterday when wast comical at a critical
moment like, oh no, I haven't been really monitoring this
very well.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I have friends in mine that send me TikTok videos. Yeah,
and I get I'm like, I don't, I don't have
a thing, yeah, and then it's your click on.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
No, I'm probably not gonna be a TikTok's.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Fine, it's fine, Like I just there's it's just another
there's just so many Sure, they just really prefer if
there was one thing I could do and send it
to ten different places.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yes, that's what I'm looking That's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
If you're out there and you know that, and I
sound like an idiot right now for not having it,
Please tell me you.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Want to talk about a slice of embarrassment. If anybody
can find my MySpace page from like two thousand and four,
two thousand and three, there's there's stuff in that thing
that you could if you really wanted to blackmail me.
You and Tom, Yeah, you're here for the hour, and
god knows, we have a lot to discuss. How would
(03:04):
you encapsulate as of three eight in the afternoon, that
this could change in the over the course of the
next two minutes. As of right now, how would you
encapsulate what they've done and how they've done so far
in free agency, both with players who they've brought in
from outside, players they have retained, and I guess the
third one would be uh, players who are under contract
(03:26):
to them that they haven't yet extended.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Eh, I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Know if we you know, I sort of was buying
the whole, like, gonna it's gonna be different, Right, You're.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Gonna rebuild this. I think we all were, Yeah, you're
gonna rebuild this thing. Right.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Sure looks like a lot of the same things are happening, right,
these are the same people, and I think I didn't
think that there would be so much And that's fine.
It kind of is a bit of a double down
on it was lose fault if these are the same guys. Yeah,
like if these are kind of a lot of the
same guys that are coming back outside of a select
(04:06):
few and some of the older players. You know, I
guess Hubbard retires and Kap has gone. That's on the
offensive side of the ball. But whatever's gonna put with
your main Pratt, But I mean a lot of the
same guy. When you bring back bj Hill and and
and you bring back Joseph Asai and you're doubling down
on Miles Murphy and you're doing all those things with
(04:27):
your front seven. Obviously they're loving, you know, they've been
talking up Logan Wilson, they're investing, They're clearly comfortable with
their young corners and secondary. It's kind of a run
it back with a new person in charge feel on defense.
That's that is a large bet to put on Al
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gold Now, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Maybe maybe it was.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Maybe they'll be proven right, Maybe it'll be Al Golden
will come in and things will click for all these
young players and everything will fall into place better. And
part of it was is a disconnect between the coordinator
and the personnel. I don't know, maybe that will be
the case. I wasn't expected it to be this much
in that direction though, And gosh, didn't we just get
(05:12):
done talking about how it's Trey Hendrickson nobody else rushing
the passer, and now it's still just Trey Hendrickson and
I don't know who else rushing the passer right as
of three to eight today. But it's not like there's
a lot of other difference making pass rushing options outside
of the draft. And so now here we are again
(05:33):
another year where you're saying, Man, granted the draft is
good for it, but yeah, here you go, gotta go
get yourself some pass rushing defensive linemen to sprinkle into
this mix if you're gonna have some some game changers
beyond what.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You already know.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And like I said, I mean, there's good there's reasons
to make bets on and take chances on Josepho's side,
and on Miles Murphy and or Chris Jenkins and McKinley
Jackson and like the these are guys that, yeah, you
take some bets, you'd like to have a little bit
more in the share thing department. Yeah, though to go
along with it, and I think it's a little surprising,
(06:10):
you know, that there really hasn't been anything in that regard.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I look at every individual move in a vacuum, and fine,
the guys they've kept Cody Ford, fine, Mike YASICKI fine,
BJ Hill, but fine, okay, fine, And who they've acquired
from outside TJ. Slaton was a part of a good
Green Bay run defense, that's what he does. Okay, well
(06:36):
they need help there. Orrin Burks makes tackles. Well, I
complained about that a lot last year. And so individually,
like I look at some of these players, both returnees
and new guys, and I go cool. But when I
add them up together, there's I'm seriously underwhelmed.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah it's missing, it's missing something. And again that's as
of right now. Yeah we have seen them. We get
to the middle part of the week. In the past
acquire players and free agency who have helped. I don't
know who's out there to do that. But I woke
up this morning and looked at my phone to see
if I had missed anything, and uh, you hadn't. I hadn't,
(07:13):
And I said out loud, I'm underwhelmed, yea, which is
what I often say when I wake up.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
In the morning.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
I do tend to agree that the first twenty four
hours of free agency tends to be bad money, it
tends to be bad value. It tends to be guys
that will be available next year. And certainly there are
gonna be teams that we're going to look back and say, man,
that really worked out. Maybe everything that the Vikings just
spent on their trenches works out. Maybe you know, some
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of these other teams that have spent a lot of
money feel good about it, and maybe the ones that
waited for the second wave and found value there and
then drafted to fill those spots are the ones you
end up looking and say, Okay, that was maybe the
proper move. That's certainly been the Bengals philosophy for the
most part over the years, outside of a couple of
years when they were in that true rebuild. Uh So,
(08:02):
maybe maybe that works. But and we've seen that, we've
seen them sort of approach free agency this way before.
I'm not I'm not totally discounting that. As you know,
if you go and you get good value on like
on a guard, whether it's like Tevin Jenkins or Brandon
Sherff or whatever they want to go do to fill
that spot, I'm okay. And then you draft a guard
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some with one of your first three picks, like.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I'm okay with the way that line looks.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I wouldn't feel bad about that if I had a guy,
a veteran or a guy like Jenkins sitting there as
one of my starters and the other one was a
draft pick and Cody Ford and Jackson Kirkland in some
in Cordell Vohlson in some kind of a battle, like
I'm okay with that right. The same thing with edge,
like if if you throw in somebody that carings you
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a little bit more juice off the edge right now
into that group, then you feel maybe okay with it
when there's also now a first or a second round
draft pick that's in there with them. And the same
thing with the interior. It's just a lot to say
that you're gonna get all those things the way you
want them, and then those players are going to immediately
pay off. They paid this price last year having to
(09:11):
make these bets on Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson to
come in and immediately have an impact because they had
kind of whift and free agency at defensive tackle. Well,
you're counting on these guys to come in as rookies
and immediately make an impact. They didn't have enough bodies.
The rookies were still learning. It's a tough position to
get in there and be just day one impactful, especially
if you're not a top ten overall pick, and it
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takes time. And so I just you know, it just
it feels like you would have wanted to see a
little bit more. But maybe that maybe the more calculated
moves are are still coming. But as we speak, yeah,
I think it's I think there's an underwhelming feel to it,
for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And you talk about calculated moves and maybe I'm giving
them credit they don't deserve. But I look at the
Tray Hendrickson thing, and I think this has actually been
pretty deft because he goes and he hits the mar right,
he can go seek a trade, and that was never
gonna be I don't think a month's long pursuit, right,
that was gonna be like a go, go, hey man,
spend the next couple of days seeing if you can
(10:10):
find a team that's gonna pay you, and if they're
willing to give us good compensation, we'll do it. So
he has the freedom to essentially be a free agent.
Now it comes with the caveat of the team's gonna
have to throw in compensation to the Bengals, and so
he tries to get as much money as he can
and maybe it's not there. So now he comes back
to the Bengals and he's at the negotiating table from
a diminished position, and maybe they can get something with
(10:32):
him done long term and they don't have to pay
him the coin he was looking for, or they just
look at each other and go, let's run it back.
One year left twenty twenty five. Now he's motivated not
only to stick it to the Bengals, but show the
rest of the league the dollars I couldn't get when
I was a pseudo free agent. I deserve next offseason.
I think that's I think that's playing it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah. I think more teams should do this.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And the Rams successfully did it with Matt Stafford, where
you just kind of say, look, we're in an impasse.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And and Big.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Wit talked about this and he was great on it
about players just want transparency, right, they want to know what?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
What?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
What did they say that they wanted all the guys
doing the tours of of media row?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Right?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Want we want to know that we get there paid
what we're worth, want to get the value I want,
we want to we want to be in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
We want what we're worth. Well, go find out what
you're worth, right, Like?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And I think more teams should take advantage of this
and play and there shouldn't be a negative stigma around it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think there was.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I think there was all they're blowing it right, Bengals
have earned that over time.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't think they blew this.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I don't not yet, But I'm saying, like, I think
that it's fine to say more teams should use that.
I want you to get your value too. Go find
out what it is, and you come back to me,
and then let's negotiate with all of that information on
the table so you don't feel like we're doing you
(12:01):
an injustice with this offer, okay, And and that because
then you can make your decision and we can figure
out the decision about whether it's worth it to you
to stick around and play here for a year, or
renegotiate for a one year or a two year extension,
or or whatever it is that would mean to you
what you now know about your market, reevaluate it then,
rather than sit here and be mad at us because
(12:23):
you think that we're not valuing you correctly. And I
think having that information helps everybody come back to the table,
and perhaps that has them at the table right now
talking differently about things. It certainly would suggest so, and
they're certainly in a place now as a as a
team that he's got to play for.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I mean, like there's no plan B. You know, Joseph Osai.
I like it. Maybe that's part of it. I like
the one year bet on him.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And if Al Golden can squeeze a sack out of
Miles Murphy, awesome, But like if we found out right
now Trey Hendrickson has been moved to another team, well
then what Yeah, that's that's not what I'm saying on
Saturday or Sunday. That's not what I'm saying maybe yesterday
at this time. But like now that things have unfolded
the way they have and they've done and prioritize what
(13:08):
they've prioritized, what you wrote about in the Athletic and
free agency, Like, if not Trey, then what do you got?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Not much? I mean a lot of hope.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And so yeah, I mean you would certainly be fully
reliant on a bunch of rookies because you would have
had to have some kind of a hedge plan as
a bridge.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, and those are gone.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
The bridges are gone, Burns, unless you have something else
up your sleeve that we don't know about, and I
just doubt that. And so yeah, you're You're exactly right.
He feels more relevant to them now than than before.
But you know, in their case that with everything being
sort of on the table right now, they should be
able to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You know, they hope. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I don't know where where it goes from here. It's
it's been really interesting to see how locked up it's
all kind of it's all kind of felt. There's just
a lot. There's been a lot happening behind closed doors
on this stuff, and we'll see how it all comes out.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
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Paul's here till four, We're here till six. You see,
won their Big twelve Tournament game today over Oklahoma State
eighty seven to sixty eight. So two weeks ago Duke
Tobin starts talking about how we want to make Jamar
Chase the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL. When
he said that, did he and vision two players becoming
(16:02):
that one obviously temporarily and the other obviously also temporarily.
But did he envision two players achieving that title before
he got the Jamar Chase thing done?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I mean, probably not to that extent. I don't know
he was.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
In fairness, he wasn't the only one that certainly sounded
like a company line, because Zach Taylor said the same thing.
It sounded like they went there with with messaging right
on that to try to make sure everybody knows that
that's what it's going to be. You don't want to
see five million dollars higher showing up.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Now. How you think ownership signed off in that company line?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yeah, I don't think they don't think they're just out
there spouting without people knowing what they're gonna say. I mean,
maybe they are, but I don't think that that's the
case in the least. I think that was the company
line that they felt like. They probably felt like they
were already there, which I think they were already there
with So why wouldn't they say it, we let's just
go out there and let's be bold. This is what
we're doing. We're doing this and no, how it's like,
(17:01):
oh no, this is backfired, not necessarribly. How did this
It's a yeah. I mean, it's that's what those that's
what it is.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
That's why, it's why, you know, and it's why last
August and September you just say, let's just bite this
now before it gets worse, and you know, just just
do it.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And do you think I don't know that publicly they'll
ever admit that they screwed up, But do you think
privately with each other they're like, how could we have
screwed this up the way we did?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
And no, I think they believe in the way that
they have operated. And there's you know, there's two things.
There's two things at play here. One, I think you
have to put Tea in a separate bucket because I
don't think this was about money. This was about misjudgment,
and this was about changing scenarios, which we've talked about
all and I just t was not I think extending
(18:03):
him for the long terms was not the planet.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And so now because you you pay, you're paying another
tax because you screwed up in in X, Y and
Z buckets with draft picks and with development and whatever
all the other stuff, and so okay, so you're kind
of in this in this spot there, so you're eating
that this other part. Yeah, I think you can look
back now and say, yeah, maybe we screwed that up.
(18:27):
But I think they want even They were like, I mean,
what's he gonna do? Go win the triple crown? Yeah,
I think there's a part of you we were saying, Look,
there was still doubt about not a lot of couldn't
have been doubt about Jamar Chase. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Say no.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
There was still doubt about is he year? Is he
not better than Justin Jefferson? How many people before last
year were saying is he better than Justin Jefferson?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Nobody? They weren't.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
They didn't, He wasn't quite view he They changed the
way they used him, and he took his game to
another level when they did that. I give credit to
Dan Pitcher and Zach Taylor for for finding that next
level in Jamar and Jamar for taking it and running
with it, and he became and Burrow helped feed it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
He became that he had that year. It's not like.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
He he was so clearly heads and above going into
this year. Now, when you want to live in the
game of information, sometimes it helps you and sometimes it
bites you. They've never got a bit quite like this before,
and they got and they got bit. So I think
I don't know if you gave him true serum, if
they would say, is this gonna make you change your ways?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I don't know if it will or not. I don't know.
I'd love to know the answer on that. But I
do think they believe in.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Some of the philosophy they had they've It's not there
against paying guys early. I just think they like the information.
It's it comes across that way. Certainly, they look no question,
I understand everything said.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I do. I totally get it.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
They look this all may work out and have the
resolution that folks.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Like me want.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
They look incompetent, and as it relates specifically to Jamar
Chase T. Higgins, is a slightly different conversation as you
just said. But with the Jamar Chase thing, they are
a punching bag and that's not going to change anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, I wonder, you know, I wonder, I don't know,
I wonder what people are saying. I wonder what I'm
curious what the narrative would have been if they would
have given Jamar Chase on September eighth, last year forty
million dollars average annual value. What would what? What would
you have said? What would what would people have said?
(20:46):
I mean, that's overpaying for what he currently is? How
Justin Jefferson blew people's minds at thirty five last summer,
sure less than a year ago. Well do you think
it would have it would have taken forty I think so.
It would have required forty millions. I think would have
acquired a lot of money for him to He didn't need,
you know, he wanted it, but he didn't have to
(21:07):
say yes, he's he just keep on go do this
and have him in this spot, right, he can keep
pushing it down the line. I just I just think
that there's I wonder what that conversation would have been
like if if you would have gone to there with.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, a lot of people would have said the Bengals
overpaid for Jamar Chase, But I think the reasonable take
would have been, Okay, they probably have overpaid, but like,
they like this guy. They drafted him fifth overall for
a reason. Burrow loves him, They love him for what
it's worth, fans love them. They're moving on from t Higgins,
which we all assume was going to be the case
a year ago, and so I think there would have
(21:40):
been a you know what, maybe they shouldn't have reset
the market so quickly after Justin Jefferson had given Jamar
forty million dollars. But at least this isn't going to
be a thing moving forward. This is over, like he's signed,
this is it and so and so maybe that's worth
paying for. I think that's how I would have framed it. Yeah,
I agree with you. And then it always has happens
the moment you sign any deal. The next year, it's like,
(22:03):
oh man, look how much of a bark on that looks?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Right? Every year almost no matter what.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, I mean, people are going to be saying that
about Justin Jefferson in three two one, right, I mean there,
it's like, that's that's just the nature of it, and
it's it's it's exponentially more obvious when you have what's
happened the last two years with the cap and with
all the influx of money, it's gone up this massive amount.
I mean, the percentage is that you know in court
(22:29):
on the cap that you're paying for people is maybe
the same, but it's just so much higher, and the
money is so much higher now that getting in in
front of this wave is it's it's even more obvious.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And then you have the.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Eagles that make it even more obvious, and uh, you know,
and and here you sit.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
All right.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
More on this coming up. It's twenty nine away from
four o'clock. Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the
Growler podcast live tonight at nine o'clock on YouTube.
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folded in? No? Well, not like that. No, that's just
social clips. I don't know how that works. I don't.
We don't do I don't. You can't live stream on TikTok.
I'm gonna tell you you're probably talking to the wrong guy.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Fair enough. It's twenty eight away from four o'clock. Paul's
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Speaker 2 (25:20):
I believe in transparency. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Paul
Danner Jr.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
From the Athletic When they franchise tag T Higgins, there
was a lot of conjecture that, well, they're doing this
because they want to re sign him, so this should
happen quickly. Are you surprised that we are sitting here
today at three point thirty nine on Tuesday and it
hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But I don't I don't think it has to happen
quickly if you know where you're gonna go, Like if
they're at this point now, I mean where they're close
enough and they're working towards it, and I do feel
like they feel good about where it's at. You know,
you you can account for that money, right and so
I think that putting finalizing it or whatever is it
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doesn't it doesn't have to happen right now if you
know what it is and you have until technically Jill fifteenth.
No one wants that, mostly me, but but you have
you have time to get that done. If you feel
like you're close and it's a matter of details or whatever.
I understand why there would be people who are shaking
(26:29):
their heads saying, yeah, we'll I've heard this before or whatever.
But I do think I do think there's there's optimism
about that they're going to get there and where it's at,
and again, everybody wants to get it done and so.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Hopefully they hopefully they do.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So there's a little bit of surprise because you know,
probably felt like, Okay, go get it and move on.
But yeah, I didn't. I definitely didn't get the sense
that they feel like it's messed up. But things can
change a long scene.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Lot, A lot of people have rational to what the
Bengals haven't done with their belief and perhaps it's a
valid one that the Bengals have a cash problem. Now,
I know they don't open up their books. Do you
think they have a cash problem? No, I don't either.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
No, I don't think they do. I think that I
don't think they think they have a cash problem. I mean,
there's not I hear. It's a hard sell.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I hear.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I hear this all the time. I'm sure you see
it as well. They don't have a cap problem, they
have a cash problem.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
They have plenty of cash. This is not this is the.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
NFL like Brown number three hundred and thirty eight and
Forbes four hundred four hundred richest people in the United
States of America. Now, he has no obligation to spend
his personal fortune on the football team. But you don't
have a cash problem if you're on that list. No,
you do not have a cash problem.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
And you don't have a cash problem when the NFL
is sending you checks for four hundred million and we
don't pay rent.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I mean yeah, like legitimally.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I hear this all the time, and I go, look,
I'm not an economist, and they don't open their books,
and I like, far be it from me. I understand
that they're their revenues are football, right, and they don't
own hotels and casinos and restaurants. Their revenues are football,
and I guess the occasional concert, that's what they do.
Mike Brown's not digging for oil. I understand that. So
(28:23):
if you want to say, well, there, their level of
cash is not what the Cowboys might be or other
larger market franchises. Fine, I understand that. I WinCE when
someone suggests to me they have a cash problem.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, there's the hardest sell of all cells. Yeah, and
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I've never I've certainly never heard anyone say that internally
to me.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I mean, not that they would go around being like.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Cash problem, but I that's not any messaging or any
excuses that I've ever heard, And so I don't. They
don't and I don't think they've I've ever heard them
claim as much.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Right, So they're not crying poor behind the scenes, nor
should they be.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
The National Football League it's national. They're just swimming in
money at this point. It's unbelievable, I don't think. I mean,
when we've never seen a league have a run like
they've had over the last ten years. No, five years
after a pandemic. Yeah, and it's only just starting because
of streaming and gambling money.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's only going to increase. There's no cash problem, or
it can't be a cash problem.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
No, Like you are worse than me at managing money
if you run that franchise and you have a cash problem.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And they're not bad at managing money, I can tell
you that. Yes. By the way, they're also not cheap.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Like if you're going to allow Jamar Chase to do
what he has done and hold it out and make
him reset the market again, you're you're not a cheap franchise.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, they will spend, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I do think there's a little bit and this is
a little bit of the old school Bengals reporter in me.
I do tend to be more patient in waiting to
see what it looks like in September, they just you know, sure,
you know, we should be Let's see what a whole
picture looks like before we start judging cash and cap
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and if this was the right move or that was
the right move, and should they you know, you see
whether it's fans always have freaked out here, you know,
then it's better now than it used to be.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Sure, I mean this, this used to be the worst.
I hated this week every.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Year because fans would just lose their mind, wanting them
to go spend with everybody else and they wouldn't. And
then you look at the roster by the time it
got September and you're like, oh, probably a good thing
they didn't do that and did this, and you.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Would have to be reminded, you know, the goal isn't
to win the off season. Of course, the goal isn't
to win the first day of free agency.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It did help their case that the Browns kept winning
the off season at that point, you know what I mean.
And it was like the prime example of don't don't
be what Cleveland is being right now?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Who speaking of Cleveland, who should we be laughing at more?
The Browns or Miles.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Garrett, Miles Garrett, mister, I want to win it's not
about it's not about Cleveland to Canton. I want to win,
That's all I want to do, not about the money
over forty million dollars what Okay, well we can he
could probably win here, right, can we win here? Deshawn's
still here?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah, no, I mean you were like, I'm laughing at
the Browns were probably wanting to pay him this money
all you know, right the whole time they wanted to
keep my they wanted to be in the keep Miles
Garrett here business. Obviously, you know, we know the Hasms
don't care about that, and so that's fine. Miles Garrett
is the one that looks foolish for saying that all
he wanted to do was go win, and now he's
(31:33):
just gonna take the money.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Am I wrong for wanting Aaron Rodgers to end up
in Pittsburgh? I badly want this to happen. Look, I'll
eat this.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Last year I was, I was, I was trying to
be a little outside of the box with my predictions,
and I went jets. I said, look, if Rogers is
seventy five percent of what he was with the cast
they had around him, and with Robert Sola's defense, and
I think that they could be a surprise. I'm here,
I'm gonna say that I think they can make a
run here right never again.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
He's going to ruin every franchise he touches from this
point forward. And he's kind of proven himself to that.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Like how many locker rooms do you have to see
him essentially dismantle?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Now? Can Mike Tomlin tame him?
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I want to watch that? Yesh, let's go. Can we
bring hard Knocks back into Pittsburgh again? I'm sure they
love that. But I'm saying I I you know this
would be this would be Mike Tomlin's Ultimately, you thought
Antonio Brown was a challenge, here comes Aaron Rodgers as
your quarter.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, and I could see the people in western Pennsylvania
just going along with all the bs that comes with
Aaron Rodgers, Like I could see I could see those
fans just buying it.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, I mean, you know, maybe maybe they can put
something together. I just it feels just like Russell Wilson,
you know what I mean. It's like you think, Okay,
Tomlin is not a miracle worker. Okay, you can't just
change this, and so you know, maybe it can be functional,
(33:04):
but Aaron Rodgers, to me, has proven that you can't
build a team around Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
You know Tomlin, He's he's never had a losing season never,
so yeah, so you.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Know he and Aaron Rodgers can achieve nine an eight
and everybody be happy. It's thirteen away from four o'clock.
Paul's here for another segment. We'll dive into UC's win
today and a few other Bengals topics as well, after
four o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.
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Speaker 2 (34:04):
Report and not just about ten minutes. Paul Danner Junior
is here for another few minutes.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Catches live podcast tonight on YouTube nine o'clock, The Growler
tonight tomorrow night, Thursday Night.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yes, plus all the all the normal stuff on the athletic.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
All the normal stuff on the athletic breaking down. Free
agency is there, and I know you don't have it
in front of you, But is there an available free
agent now that you look at and go that would
be a good fit in Cinternet?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I mean, I think Tevin Jenkins, Brandon Sheriff, one of
the one of the two guards you know that have
been solid as past protectors, you know, one younger, a
little more volatile, another one older. All that comes with that.
But you know, I think you feel you feel good
(34:53):
where if they signed one of those two guys, you say, okay,
opening day starter at guard. And I think if you
can say that right now with everything else you have
in place, I think you feel really good about the
state of the offense, you know, in general, and so
at that point that that'd be a nice sentence to
be able to say for the most part. So that's
(35:14):
that's kind of where where I start right now, looking
at the group that what stood out about what they
did with Mikeysiki that they understand the value that they
figured out with him. I think they figured out how
to make it work where he really elevates them. He's
not just a guy, He's not just a receiver or
(35:35):
he's not just a like kind of tight end. He's
somebody that in their system and the way they operate
it really unlocks something. He really when teams go double
double on Jamar and T, you let Gasiki loose on
whoever you decide to put on him as a defense
and you're in trouble, and that was a big weapon.
And then on top of it, when you know that
(35:57):
T is part of your plans. He's the altar compliment
to Tea because he's done a great job when he
has had When he had those injuries, the soft tissue
stuff and he missed a couple of games Gausick. He
did a great job of sticking in there, being able
to play everywhere, being a very versatile player. What did
they value so much last year that really set off Jamar.
Chase versatile players around him so that it makes Jamar
(36:20):
more versatile, and that's what teams really can't stop. What
good no that was in Yosebash was kind of the
same way, and that he could move inside outside and
when you have all of those pieces out there together,
that's when their offense really took off.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
What was more eyebrow raising when you saw the Samaj
p Ryan was back and when you saw the original
report that he had gone to the Buccaneers.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
For two million, Hey, that was a big old good
for you.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
There are very few things I see that I'm like, no.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
No, I know, And everybody was kind of like, oh wow,
congratulations yeah him, yeah, yeah, okay, boy, the running back
markets not what I thought it was, yeah, exactly, and
then it was like, now, but good to have Smaj
back here. They've been trying ever since this, ever since
he was a free agent from here, and so they
finally actually get him back, and that's a it's a
(37:09):
nice compliment to start to fill out.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
There for the role that they were looking to fill.
He's perfect.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I think he's what he was before,
probably minus like twenty five percent, because they have they
love Chase Brown so much, and Chase Brown proved himself
in past pro in some two minute which is Samaj's
primary role. So so you would He wouldn't necessarily be
the guy all the time in that where you could
be come but you you like him and be able
to fill out that role. And he has what does
(37:34):
he have the most important thing in the building, trusted
Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That's what matters, no question.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
All right, enjoy tonight nine o'clock, the YouTube, the Growler podcast,
and all the coverage of Bengals free agency in the
athletic Do we have mock draft one point oh coming up?
Speaker 4 (37:48):
One point oh will be coming out next probably next
week they finally get off the zero point five, zero
point seventy five because those in count real one point
oh comes down, that free agency will be Uh, there's
gonna be some pass rushers in there, I can tell
you out spill the beans spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Follow Paul on Twitter at Paul Danner Junior. Back with
us next Tuesday. All right, we'll talk about today's UC
win over Oklahoma State next ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I'm an old school job.
You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
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Speaker 3 (00:04):
Good afternoon on maleger This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank
you for listening. Hopefully you're having an awesome Tuesday afternoon.
It is just gorgeous outside. The UC basketball team. The
men's basketball team wins again in the first round of
the Big Twelve Tournament. West Miller's team, taking care of
Oklahoma State in Kansas City by a score of eighty
(00:25):
seven to sixty eight. Bearcats advance to tomorrow. They'll take
on a decidedly better opponent, Iowa State at twelve thirty
tomorrow afternoon, So we'll effectively be the sports talk radio
postgame show for that tilt and looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We will go.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
To Kansas City coming up at five oh five, and
we'll hear from Wes Miller as well. Kat's played well today,
beat an Oklahoma State team that frankly they should have
beaten on Saturday. And you can't help but ask what if?
And look, they're going to be huge underdogs tomorrow and
understandably so, but you can't help it. What if had
they taken care of business in some of these games,
but they have lost.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We are.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
We're looking at the tomorrow's game through a slightly different lens,
a win and intilled perhaps unfortunately win and he simply
now move on to the quarterfinals if they pull off
the upset. More on that throughout the course of the afternoon.
It's Tuesday, and it's the first time in a while
he's been here because I was out last week and
he was at the NFL Scouting Combine listening to a
(01:23):
Duke Tobin write checks that nobody seems willing to cash.
Paul Dayner Junior, who has been podcasting and youtubing, is
face off the last couple of days and with the
Athletic Dot Com as well. The Growler podcast now has
its own Twitter feed, Yes, which is enormous.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It is you got you know, we're it's there's there's
the TikTok as well.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You know all that stuff you gotta have. You gotta
have that? Are you you a big TikToker?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, you should. You should get on board at it
to You could use a few more.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I got Twitter, more social outlets, I got Instagram.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, I got a marginal presence on face. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I have a Thread's account, I have a Blue Sky,
I have not touched either.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Of those people having to lean into the threads and
the blue sky yesterday when wast comical at a critical
moment like, oh no, I haven't been really monitoring this
very well.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I have friends in mine that send me TikTok videos. Yeah,
and I get I'm like, I don't, I don't have
a thing, yeah, and then it's your click on.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
No, I'm probably not gonna be a TikTok's.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Fine, it's fine, Like I just there's it's just another
there's just so many Sure, they just really prefer if
there was one thing I could do and send it
to ten different places.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yes, that's what I'm looking That's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
If you're out there and you know that, and I
sound like an idiot right now for not having it,
Please tell me you.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Want to talk about a slice of embarrassment. If anybody
can find my MySpace page from like two thousand and four,
two thousand and three, there's there's stuff in that thing
that you could if you really wanted to blackmail me.
You and Tom, Yeah, you're here for the hour, and
god knows, we have a lot to discuss. How would
(03:04):
you encapsulate as of three eight in the afternoon, that
this could change in the over the course of the
next two minutes. As of right now, how would you
encapsulate what they've done and how they've done so far
in free agency, both with players who they've brought in
from outside, players they have retained, and I guess the
third one would be uh, players who are under contract
(03:26):
to them that they haven't yet extended.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Eh, I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Know if we you know, I sort of was buying
the whole, like, gonna it's gonna be different, Right, You're.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Gonna rebuild this. I think we all were, Yeah, you're
gonna rebuild this thing. Right.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Sure looks like a lot of the same things are happening, right,
these are the same people, and I think I didn't
think that there would be so much And that's fine.
It kind of is a bit of a double down
on it was lose fault if these are the same guys. Yeah,
like if these are kind of a lot of the
same guys that are coming back outside of a select
(04:06):
few and some of the older players. You know, I
guess Hubbard retires and Kap has gone. That's on the
offensive side of the ball. But whatever's gonna put with
your main Pratt, But I mean a lot of the
same guy. When you bring back bj Hill and and
and you bring back Joseph Asai and you're doubling down
on Miles Murphy and you're doing all those things with
(04:27):
your front seven. Obviously they're loving, you know, they've been
talking up Logan Wilson, they're investing, They're clearly comfortable with
their young corners and secondary. It's kind of a run
it back with a new person in charge feel on defense.
That's that is a large bet to put on Al
(04:47):
gold Now, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Maybe maybe it was.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Maybe they'll be proven right, Maybe it'll be Al Golden
will come in and things will click for all these
young players and everything will fall into place better. And
part of it was is a disconnect between the coordinator
and the personnel. I don't know, maybe that will be
the case. I wasn't expected it to be this much
in that direction though, And gosh, didn't we just get
(05:12):
done talking about how it's Trey Hendrickson nobody else rushing
the passer, and now it's still just Trey Hendrickson and
I don't know who else rushing the passer right as
of three to eight today. But it's not like there's
a lot of other difference making pass rushing options outside
of the draft. And so now here we are again
(05:33):
another year where you're saying, Man, granted the draft is
good for it, but yeah, here you go, gotta go
get yourself some pass rushing defensive linemen to sprinkle into
this mix if you're gonna have some some game changers
beyond what.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You already know.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And like I said, I mean, there's good there's reasons
to make bets on and take chances on Josepho's side,
and on Miles Murphy and or Chris Jenkins and McKinley
Jackson and like the these are guys that, yeah, you
take some bets, you'd like to have a little bit
more in the share thing department. Yeah, though to go
along with it, and I think it's a little surprising,
(06:10):
you know, that there really hasn't been anything in that regard.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I look at every individual move in a vacuum, and fine,
the guys they've kept Cody Ford, fine, Mike YASICKI fine,
BJ Hill, but fine, okay, fine, And who they've acquired
from outside TJ. Slaton was a part of a good
Green Bay run defense, that's what he does. Okay, well
(06:36):
they need help there. Orrin Burks makes tackles. Well, I
complained about that a lot last year. And so individually,
like I look at some of these players, both returnees
and new guys, and I go cool. But when I
add them up together, there's I'm seriously underwhelmed.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah it's missing, it's missing something. And again that's as
of right now. Yeah we have seen them. We get
to the middle part of the week. In the past
acquire players and free agency who have helped. I don't
know who's out there to do that. But I woke
up this morning and looked at my phone to see
if I had missed anything, and uh, you hadn't. I hadn't,
(07:13):
And I said out loud, I'm underwhelmed, yea, which is
what I often say when I wake up.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
In the morning.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
I do tend to agree that the first twenty four
hours of free agency tends to be bad money, it
tends to be bad value. It tends to be guys
that will be available next year. And certainly there are
gonna be teams that we're going to look back and say, man,
that really worked out. Maybe everything that the Vikings just
spent on their trenches works out. Maybe you know, some
(07:40):
of these other teams that have spent a lot of
money feel good about it, and maybe the ones that
waited for the second wave and found value there and
then drafted to fill those spots are the ones you
end up looking and say, Okay, that was maybe the
proper move. That's certainly been the Bengals philosophy for the
most part over the years, outside of a couple of
years when they were in that true rebuild. Uh So,
(08:02):
maybe maybe that works. But and we've seen that, we've
seen them sort of approach free agency this way before.
I'm not I'm not totally discounting that. As you know,
if you go and you get good value on like
on a guard, whether it's like Tevin Jenkins or Brandon
Sherff or whatever they want to go do to fill
that spot, I'm okay. And then you draft a guard
(08:23):
some with one of your first three picks, like.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I'm okay with the way that line looks.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I wouldn't feel bad about that if I had a guy,
a veteran or a guy like Jenkins sitting there as
one of my starters and the other one was a
draft pick and Cody Ford and Jackson Kirkland in some
in Cordell Vohlson in some kind of a battle, like
I'm okay with that right. The same thing with edge,
like if if you throw in somebody that carings you
(08:49):
a little bit more juice off the edge right now
into that group, then you feel maybe okay with it
when there's also now a first or a second round
draft pick that's in there with them. And the same
thing with the interior. It's just a lot to say
that you're gonna get all those things the way you
want them, and then those players are going to immediately
pay off. They paid this price last year having to
(09:11):
make these bets on Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson to
come in and immediately have an impact because they had
kind of whift and free agency at defensive tackle. Well,
you're counting on these guys to come in as rookies
and immediately make an impact. They didn't have enough bodies.
The rookies were still learning. It's a tough position to
get in there and be just day one impactful, especially
if you're not a top ten overall pick, and it
(09:33):
takes time. And so I just you know, it just
it feels like you would have wanted to see a
little bit more. But maybe that maybe the more calculated
moves are are still coming. But as we speak, yeah,
I think it's I think there's an underwhelming feel to it,
for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And you talk about calculated moves and maybe I'm giving
them credit they don't deserve. But I look at the
Tray Hendrickson thing, and I think this has actually been
pretty deft because he goes and he hits the mar right,
he can go seek a trade, and that was never
gonna be I don't think a month's long pursuit, right,
that was gonna be like a go, go, hey man,
spend the next couple of days seeing if you can
(10:10):
find a team that's gonna pay you, and if they're
willing to give us good compensation, we'll do it. So
he has the freedom to essentially be a free agent.
Now it comes with the caveat of the team's gonna
have to throw in compensation to the Bengals, and so
he tries to get as much money as he can
and maybe it's not there. So now he comes back
to the Bengals and he's at the negotiating table from
a diminished position, and maybe they can get something with
(10:32):
him done long term and they don't have to pay
him the coin he was looking for, or they just
look at each other and go, let's run it back.
One year left twenty twenty five. Now he's motivated not
only to stick it to the Bengals, but show the
rest of the league the dollars I couldn't get when
I was a pseudo free agent. I deserve next offseason.
I think that's I think that's playing it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah. I think more teams should do this.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And the Rams successfully did it with Matt Stafford, where
you just kind of say, look, we're in an impasse.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And and Big.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Wit talked about this and he was great on it
about players just want transparency, right, they want to know what?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
What?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
What did they say that they wanted all the guys
doing the tours of of media row?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Right?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Want we want to know that we get there paid
what we're worth, want to get the value I want,
we want to we want to be in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
We want what we're worth. Well, go find out what
you're worth, right, Like?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And I think more teams should take advantage of this
and play and there shouldn't be a negative stigma around it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think there was.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I think there was all they're blowing it right, Bengals
have earned that over time.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't think they blew this.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I don't not yet, But I'm saying, like, I think
that it's fine to say more teams should use that.
I want you to get your value too. Go find
out what it is, and you come back to me,
and then let's negotiate with all of that information on
the table so you don't feel like we're doing you
(12:01):
an injustice with this offer, okay, And and that because
then you can make your decision and we can figure
out the decision about whether it's worth it to you
to stick around and play here for a year, or
renegotiate for a one year or a two year extension,
or or whatever it is that would mean to you
what you now know about your market, reevaluate it then,
rather than sit here and be mad at us because
(12:23):
you think that we're not valuing you correctly. And I
think having that information helps everybody come back to the table,
and perhaps that has them at the table right now
talking differently about things. It certainly would suggest so, and
they're certainly in a place now as a as a
team that he's got to play for.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I mean, like there's no plan B. You know, Joseph Osai.
I like it. Maybe that's part of it. I like
the one year bet on him.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And if Al Golden can squeeze a sack out of
Miles Murphy, awesome, But like if we found out right
now Trey Hendrickson has been moved to another team, well
then what Yeah, that's that's not what I'm saying on
Saturday or Sunday. That's not what I'm saying maybe yesterday
at this time. But like now that things have unfolded
the way they have and they've done and prioritize what
(13:08):
they've prioritized, what you wrote about in the Athletic and
free agency, Like, if not Trey, then what do you got?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Not much? I mean a lot of hope.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And so yeah, I mean you would certainly be fully
reliant on a bunch of rookies because you would have
had to have some kind of a hedge plan as
a bridge.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, and those are gone.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
The bridges are gone, Burns, unless you have something else
up your sleeve that we don't know about, and I
just doubt that. And so yeah, you're You're exactly right.
He feels more relevant to them now than than before.
But you know, in their case that with everything being
sort of on the table right now, they should be
able to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You know, they hope. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I don't know where where it goes from here. It's
it's been really interesting to see how locked up it's
all kind of it's all kind of felt. There's just
a lot. There's been a lot happening behind closed doors
on this stuff, and we'll see how it all comes out.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
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phrase highest paid non quarterback in the NFL. Now it's
become commonplace and we have to talk about it when
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Speaker 2 (15:34):
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Speaker 3 (15:40):
Paul's here till four, We're here till six. You see,
won their Big twelve Tournament game today over Oklahoma State
eighty seven to sixty eight. So two weeks ago Duke
Tobin starts talking about how we want to make Jamar
Chase the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL. When
he said that, did he and vision two players becoming
(16:02):
that one obviously temporarily and the other obviously also temporarily.
But did he envision two players achieving that title before
he got the Jamar Chase thing done?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I mean, probably not to that extent. I don't know
he was.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
In fairness, he wasn't the only one that certainly sounded
like a company line, because Zach Taylor said the same thing.
It sounded like they went there with with messaging right
on that to try to make sure everybody knows that
that's what it's going to be. You don't want to
see five million dollars higher showing up.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Now. How you think ownership signed off in that company line?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yeah, I don't think they don't think they're just out
there spouting without people knowing what they're gonna say. I mean,
maybe they are, but I don't think that that's the
case in the least. I think that was the company
line that they felt like. They probably felt like they
were already there, which I think they were already there
with So why wouldn't they say it, we let's just
go out there and let's be bold. This is what
we're doing. We're doing this and no, how it's like,
(17:01):
oh no, this is backfired, not necessarribly. How did this
It's a yeah. I mean, it's that's what those that's
what it is.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
That's why, it's why, you know, and it's why last
August and September you just say, let's just bite this
now before it gets worse, and you know, just just
do it.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And do you think I don't know that publicly they'll
ever admit that they screwed up, But do you think
privately with each other they're like, how could we have
screwed this up the way we did?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
And no, I think they believe in the way that
they have operated. And there's you know, there's two things.
There's two things at play here. One, I think you
have to put Tea in a separate bucket because I
don't think this was about money. This was about misjudgment,
and this was about changing scenarios, which we've talked about
all and I just t was not I think extending
(18:03):
him for the long terms was not the planet.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And so now because you you pay, you're paying another
tax because you screwed up in in X, Y and
Z buckets with draft picks and with development and whatever
all the other stuff, and so okay, so you're kind
of in this in this spot there, so you're eating
that this other part. Yeah, I think you can look
back now and say, yeah, maybe we screwed that up.
(18:27):
But I think they want even They were like, I mean,
what's he gonna do? Go win the triple crown? Yeah,
I think there's a part of you we were saying, Look,
there was still doubt about not a lot of couldn't
have been doubt about Jamar Chase. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Say no.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
There was still doubt about is he year? Is he
not better than Justin Jefferson? How many people before last
year were saying is he better than Justin Jefferson?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Nobody? They weren't.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
They didn't, He wasn't quite view he They changed the
way they used him, and he took his game to
another level when they did that. I give credit to
Dan Pitcher and Zach Taylor for for finding that next
level in Jamar and Jamar for taking it and running
with it, and he became and Burrow helped feed it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
He became that he had that year. It's not like.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
He he was so clearly heads and above going into
this year. Now, when you want to live in the
game of information, sometimes it helps you and sometimes it
bites you. They've never got a bit quite like this before,
and they got and they got bit. So I think
I don't know if you gave him true serum, if
they would say, is this gonna make you change your ways?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I don't know if it will or not. I don't know.
I'd love to know the answer on that. But I
do think they believe in.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Some of the philosophy they had they've It's not there
against paying guys early. I just think they like the information.
It's it comes across that way. Certainly, they look no question,
I understand everything said.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I do. I totally get it.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
They look this all may work out and have the
resolution that folks.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Like me want.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
They look incompetent, and as it relates specifically to Jamar
Chase T. Higgins, is a slightly different conversation as you
just said. But with the Jamar Chase thing, they are
a punching bag and that's not going to change anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, I wonder, you know, I wonder, I don't know,
I wonder what people are saying. I wonder what I'm
curious what the narrative would have been if they would
have given Jamar Chase on September eighth, last year forty
million dollars average annual value. What would what? What would
you have said? What would what would people have said?
(20:46):
I mean, that's overpaying for what he currently is? How
Justin Jefferson blew people's minds at thirty five last summer,
sure less than a year ago. Well do you think
it would have it would have taken forty I think so.
It would have required forty millions. I think would have
acquired a lot of money for him to He didn't need,
you know, he wanted it, but he didn't have to
(21:07):
say yes, he's he just keep on go do this
and have him in this spot, right, he can keep
pushing it down the line. I just I just think
that there's I wonder what that conversation would have been
like if if you would have gone to there with.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, a lot of people would have said the Bengals
overpaid for Jamar Chase, But I think the reasonable take
would have been, Okay, they probably have overpaid, but like,
they like this guy. They drafted him fifth overall for
a reason. Burrow loves him, They love him for what
it's worth, fans love them. They're moving on from t Higgins,
which we all assume was going to be the case
a year ago, and so I think there would have
(21:40):
been a you know what, maybe they shouldn't have reset
the market so quickly after Justin Jefferson had given Jamar
forty million dollars. But at least this isn't going to
be a thing moving forward. This is over, like he's signed,
this is it and so and so maybe that's worth
paying for. I think that's how I would have framed it. Yeah,
I agree with you. And then it always has happens
the moment you sign any deal. The next year, it's like,
(22:03):
oh man, look how much of a bark on that looks?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Right? Every year almost no matter what.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, I mean, people are going to be saying that
about Justin Jefferson in three two one, right, I mean there,
it's like, that's that's just the nature of it, and
it's it's it's exponentially more obvious when you have what's
happened the last two years with the cap and with
all the influx of money, it's gone up this massive amount.
I mean, the percentage is that you know in court
(22:29):
on the cap that you're paying for people is maybe
the same, but it's just so much higher, and the
money is so much higher now that getting in in
front of this wave is it's it's even more obvious.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And then you have the.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Eagles that make it even more obvious, and uh, you know,
and and here you sit.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
All right.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
More on this coming up. It's twenty nine away from
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Speaker 2 (22:57):
Is on TikTok too. No is that how TikTok gets
folded in? No? Well, not like that. No, that's just
social clips. I don't know how that works. I don't.
We don't do I don't. You can't live stream on TikTok.
I'm gonna tell you you're probably talking to the wrong guy.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Fair enough. It's twenty eight away from four o'clock. Paul's
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Speaker 2 (25:20):
I believe in transparency. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Paul
Danner Jr.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
From the Athletic When they franchise tag T Higgins, there
was a lot of conjecture that, well, they're doing this
because they want to re sign him, so this should
happen quickly. Are you surprised that we are sitting here
today at three point thirty nine on Tuesday and it
hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But I don't I don't think it has to happen
quickly if you know where you're gonna go, Like if
they're at this point now, I mean where they're close
enough and they're working towards it, and I do feel
like they feel good about where it's at. You know,
you you can account for that money, right and so
I think that putting finalizing it or whatever is it
(26:07):
doesn't it doesn't have to happen right now if you
know what it is and you have until technically Jill fifteenth.
No one wants that, mostly me, but but you have
you have time to get that done. If you feel
like you're close and it's a matter of details or whatever.
I understand why there would be people who are shaking
(26:29):
their heads saying, yeah, we'll I've heard this before or whatever.
But I do think I do think there's there's optimism
about that they're going to get there and where it's at,
and again, everybody wants to get it done and so.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Hopefully they hopefully they do.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So there's a little bit of surprise because you know,
probably felt like, Okay, go get it and move on.
But yeah, I didn't. I definitely didn't get the sense
that they feel like it's messed up. But things can
change a long scene.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Lot, A lot of people have rational to what the
Bengals haven't done with their belief and perhaps it's a
valid one that the Bengals have a cash problem. Now,
I know they don't open up their books. Do you
think they have a cash problem? No, I don't either.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
No, I don't think they do. I think that I
don't think they think they have a cash problem. I mean,
there's not I hear. It's a hard sell.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I hear.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I hear this all the time. I'm sure you see
it as well. They don't have a cap problem, they
have a cash problem.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
They have plenty of cash. This is not this is the.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
NFL like Brown number three hundred and thirty eight and
Forbes four hundred four hundred richest people in the United
States of America. Now, he has no obligation to spend
his personal fortune on the football team. But you don't
have a cash problem if you're on that list. No,
you do not have a cash problem.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
And you don't have a cash problem when the NFL
is sending you checks for four hundred million and we
don't pay rent.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I mean yeah, like legitimally.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I hear this all the time, and I go, look,
I'm not an economist, and they don't open their books,
and I like, far be it from me. I understand
that they're their revenues are football, right, and they don't
own hotels and casinos and restaurants. Their revenues are football,
and I guess the occasional concert, that's what they do.
Mike Brown's not digging for oil. I understand that. So
(28:23):
if you want to say, well, there, their level of
cash is not what the Cowboys might be or other
larger market franchises. Fine, I understand that. I WinCE when
someone suggests to me they have a cash problem.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, there's the hardest sell of all cells. Yeah, and
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I've never I've certainly never heard anyone say that internally
to me.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I mean, not that they would go around being like.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Cash problem, but I that's not any messaging or any
excuses that I've ever heard, And so I don't. They
don't and I don't think they've I've ever heard them
claim as much.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Right, So they're not crying poor behind the scenes, nor
should they be.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
The National Football League it's national. They're just swimming in
money at this point. It's unbelievable, I don't think. I mean,
when we've never seen a league have a run like
they've had over the last ten years. No, five years
after a pandemic. Yeah, and it's only just starting because
of streaming and gambling money.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's only going to increase. There's no cash problem, or
it can't be a cash problem.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
No, Like you are worse than me at managing money
if you run that franchise and you have a cash problem.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And they're not bad at managing money, I can tell
you that. Yes. By the way, they're also not cheap.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Like if you're going to allow Jamar Chase to do
what he has done and hold it out and make
him reset the market again, you're you're not a cheap franchise.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, they will spend, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I do think there's a little bit and this is
a little bit of the old school Bengals reporter in me.
I do tend to be more patient in waiting to
see what it looks like in September, they just you know, sure,
you know, we should be Let's see what a whole
picture looks like before we start judging cash and cap
(30:05):
and if this was the right move or that was
the right move, and should they you know, you see
whether it's fans always have freaked out here, you know,
then it's better now than it used to be.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Sure, I mean this, this used to be the worst.
I hated this week every.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Year because fans would just lose their mind, wanting them
to go spend with everybody else and they wouldn't. And
then you look at the roster by the time it
got September and you're like, oh, probably a good thing
they didn't do that and did this, and you.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Would have to be reminded, you know, the goal isn't
to win the off season. Of course, the goal isn't
to win the first day of free agency.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It did help their case that the Browns kept winning
the off season at that point, you know what I mean.
And it was like the prime example of don't don't
be what Cleveland is being right now?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Who speaking of Cleveland, who should we be laughing at more?
The Browns or Miles.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Garrett, Miles Garrett, mister, I want to win it's not
about it's not about Cleveland to Canton. I want to win,
That's all I want to do, not about the money
over forty million dollars what Okay, well we can he
could probably win here, right, can we win here? Deshawn's
still here?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah, no, I mean you were like, I'm laughing at
the Browns were probably wanting to pay him this money
all you know, right the whole time they wanted to
keep my they wanted to be in the keep Miles
Garrett here business. Obviously, you know, we know the Hasms
don't care about that, and so that's fine. Miles Garrett
is the one that looks foolish for saying that all
he wanted to do was go win, and now he's
(31:33):
just gonna take the money.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Am I wrong for wanting Aaron Rodgers to end up
in Pittsburgh? I badly want this to happen. Look, I'll
eat this.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Last year I was, I was, I was trying to
be a little outside of the box with my predictions,
and I went jets. I said, look, if Rogers is
seventy five percent of what he was with the cast
they had around him, and with Robert Sola's defense, and
I think that they could be a surprise. I'm here,
I'm gonna say that I think they can make a
run here right never again.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
He's going to ruin every franchise he touches from this
point forward. And he's kind of proven himself to that.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Like how many locker rooms do you have to see
him essentially dismantle?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Now? Can Mike Tomlin tame him?
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I want to watch that? Yesh, let's go. Can we
bring hard Knocks back into Pittsburgh again? I'm sure they
love that. But I'm saying I I you know this
would be this would be Mike Tomlin's Ultimately, you thought
Antonio Brown was a challenge, here comes Aaron Rodgers as
your quarter.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, and I could see the people in western Pennsylvania
just going along with all the bs that comes with
Aaron Rodgers, Like I could see I could see those
fans just buying it.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, I mean, you know, maybe maybe they can put
something together. I just it feels just like Russell Wilson,
you know what I mean. It's like you think, Okay,
Tomlin is not a miracle worker. Okay, you can't just
change this, and so you know, maybe it can be functional,
(33:04):
but Aaron Rodgers, to me, has proven that you can't
build a team around Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
You know Tomlin, He's he's never had a losing season never,
so yeah, so you.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Know he and Aaron Rodgers can achieve nine an eight
and everybody be happy. It's thirteen away from four o'clock.
Paul's here for another segment. We'll dive into UC's win
today and a few other Bengals topics as well, after
four o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.
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All the normal stuff on the athletic breaking down. Free
agency is there, and I know you don't have it
in front of you, But is there an available free
agent now that you look at and go that would
be a good fit in Cinternet?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I mean, I think Tevin Jenkins, Brandon Sheriff, one of
the one of the two guards you know that have
been solid as past protectors, you know, one younger, a
little more volatile, another one older. All that comes with that.
But you know, I think you feel you feel good
(34:53):
where if they signed one of those two guys, you say, okay,
opening day starter at guard. And I think if you
can say that right now with everything else you have
in place, I think you feel really good about the
state of the offense, you know, in general, and so
at that point that that'd be a nice sentence to
be able to say for the most part. So that's
(35:14):
that's kind of where where I start right now, looking
at the group that what stood out about what they
did with Mikeysiki that they understand the value that they
figured out with him. I think they figured out how
to make it work where he really elevates them. He's
not just a guy, He's not just a receiver or
(35:35):
he's not just a like kind of tight end. He's
somebody that in their system and the way they operate
it really unlocks something. He really when teams go double
double on Jamar and T, you let Gasiki loose on
whoever you decide to put on him as a defense
and you're in trouble, and that was a big weapon.
And then on top of it, when you know that
(35:57):
T is part of your plans. He's the altar compliment
to Tea because he's done a great job when he
has had When he had those injuries, the soft tissue
stuff and he missed a couple of games Gausick. He
did a great job of sticking in there, being able
to play everywhere, being a very versatile player. What did
they value so much last year that really set off Jamar.
Chase versatile players around him so that it makes Jamar
(36:20):
more versatile, and that's what teams really can't stop. What
good no that was in Yosebash was kind of the
same way, and that he could move inside outside and
when you have all of those pieces out there together,
that's when their offense really took off.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
What was more eyebrow raising when you saw the Samaj
p Ryan was back and when you saw the original
report that he had gone to the Buccaneers.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
For two million, Hey, that was a big old good
for you.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
There are very few things I see that I'm like, no.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
No, I know, And everybody was kind of like, oh wow,
congratulations yeah him, yeah, yeah, okay, boy, the running back
markets not what I thought it was, yeah, exactly, and
then it was like, now, but good to have Smaj
back here. They've been trying ever since this, ever since
he was a free agent from here, and so they
finally actually get him back, and that's a it's a
(37:09):
nice compliment to start to fill out.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
There for the role that they were looking to fill.
He's perfect.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I think he's what he was before,
probably minus like twenty five percent, because they have they
love Chase Brown so much, and Chase Brown proved himself
in past pro in some two minute which is Samaj's
primary role. So so you would He wouldn't necessarily be
the guy all the time in that where you could
be come but you you like him and be able
to fill out that role. And he has what does
(37:34):
he have the most important thing in the building, trusted
Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That's what matters, no question.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
All right, enjoy tonight nine o'clock, the YouTube, the Growler podcast,
and all the coverage of Bengals free agency in the
athletic Do we have mock draft one point oh coming up?
Speaker 4 (37:48):
One point oh will be coming out next probably next
week they finally get off the zero point five, zero
point seventy five because those in count real one point
oh comes down, that free agency will be Uh, there's
gonna be some pass rushers in there, I can tell
you out spill the beans spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Follow Paul on Twitter at Paul Danner Junior. Back with
us next Tuesday. All right, we'll talk about today's UC
win over Oklahoma State next ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I'm an old school job.
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