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March 13, 2025 15 mins
Chad Brendel of Bearcat Journal joined us to talk UC Basketball. What's next for Wes Miller's program? 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fifteen thirty on my legger, it's a forty eight thirty
eight Xavior on top of Marquette eighteen thirty to go
at Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
On Thursdays, we chat with our.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Buddy Chad Rendel Bearcat Journal dot com. You sees spring
football practices are underway. Maybe we could just spend the
next seven or eight minutes talking about that. That that
probably is not what we should do, but big part
of me that wants to. You see bowing out the
men's basketball team bowing out in the Big twelve tournament yesterday,

(00:34):
losing to Iowa State High.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Chad, I'm a how are you?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm I'm well, I'm good. I don't know how much
sense it makes to look back. I think we've done that.
I think we have to look forward. I think we
have to look forward short term and long term. Let's
start with the short term. How's this crown thing gonna work?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
You try to get to six dollars ship players as
fast as possible, and then you don't have to go,
And then you don't have to go.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
So you have to have seven, Yes, you have.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
To have seven scholarship players to participate in the tournament.
So you try to get to six as fast as possible,
melt and then and then you let the chips fall
where they may.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
So if you have seven, the Big Twelves contract with
this event stipulates that if you qualify automatically, you have
to feel the team you have to participate.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
That is my understanding. Yes, it is a tournament that
is run by Fox. Fox has you know, commissioned they're
Big twelve or they are leagues that have TV contracts
with Box. So the Big Ten, the Big Twelve in
the Big East, Like, if somehow Xavier doesn't get in,

(01:57):
they're also going to be in the same situation of
having to play in this Crown Tournament contractually. So it's new.
We're all still learning. I was told initially like there's
no way out of it, and then I guess, you know,
as it got closer, people started talking in in Kansas

(02:20):
City and then it you know, it came out yesterday
via Dan Horde that if you didn't have seven, then
you could get out of it. So we'll see how
that goes.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
So we saw this in college football.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
We saw this I think in the College Football Playoff
where players hit the portal and then stuck around and
were a part of their teams for their postseason run.
So you could put your name in the portal if
you're a Bearcat basketball player and if the coaches are
okay with it, still play for UC in the Crown.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Technically, yes, there are some things that are going to
happen I think, very fast in the portal this year
because is the house case, which is the revenue sharecase,
is expected to be approved whatever on April seventh. So

(03:12):
there are teams that have these large anil war chests
for basketball that when this thing gets approved nil will
be moving to what they're calling quote unquote true nil.
So you're actually gonna have to have like contracts and
like things that you're actually supposed to do for the
company that're paying you nil. So you know what these

(03:33):
places want to do MO They want to empty out
those coffers by April seventh as much as possible. So
if you go in on the twenty fourth and then
you go play in this tournament hypothetically until April sixth,
that's pretty much going to eliminate you from like taking
visits and like going through the process of finding a home.

(03:56):
While teams are trying to spend this extra cash, so
I mean you can do it, yes, but if I
was a player, that wouldn't be what I would be
looking to do personally.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Do you think the coaches want to participate in that event?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
No, I think they'd probably rather I mean, if there's
gonna be roster turnover, and you know this is not
going to be like last year where we all thought, hey,
let's run this back and see what it looks like.
In year two, I think the roster is going to
look considerably different. I think you'd rather have rather not
have a tournament looming two weeks away that you don't

(04:37):
really care about other than but I guess there's three
hundred thousand dollars to the winner in nil money, So
whoever wins the whole thing, it'll probably be worth it.
But if you don't win the whole thing, what do
you really gain out of it? If your roster's not
going to look anything like what you're taking to Vegas?

Speaker 1 (04:56):
All right, you talk about roster turnover, do you do
you expect for us to hear news in that regard,
like very very soon, like in the next day or two,
or could this happen slowly?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I'm not sure, Like the portal doesn't open until the
twenty fourth, so not this coming Monday, but next Monday.
But I would think personally, if like you've had your
meeting with the coaches and the decision is you're going
to enter the portal, you want to get that out
there as soon as possible, right, You want many people
to know that you're on the market as you can get.

(05:32):
I don't know what delaying that looks like. So the
question will be Cincinnati has today and tomorrow before spring
break starts. I don't know how many of these kids
are leaving town. But you know, usually if I have
a chance to go on spring break in college, I
took that opportunity Club Lavilla. Here we come. But you know,

(05:58):
it just depends on what they can get done today
and tomorrow, I guess. And then from there who sticks around?
And do you have to wait until they get back
from spring break to have those meetings. If you didn't
get to him today and tomorrow, how many.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Of these players would you guess the coaching staff wants back.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Probably more than actually come back. You know, I think
you want Gisel James, if the money's right, if the
situation fits right, I think you want Dayda Thomas. I
think you probably want Dylan Mitchell if you can keep
him from there. I don't you know. Josh Reid would

(06:41):
certainly be a guy that you'd want as a piece.
I don't think you'd go into next year just assuming
he's a starting piece, but I think you'd want him
around just for his leadership and continuity. And from there.
Tyler McKinley didn't get to see what he can do,
but he fits the body type they're that. My understanding

(07:02):
is they're going to be looking for. You know, that's
six nine, two thirty to forty type guy that they
didn't add them this year and they got pushed around.
So if you've got a guy like that, and Tyler
McKinley on the Rochester, I certainly would want him back
to see what he looks like in this league. You
know probably five or six guys that that you'd want back.

(07:22):
How many of those do you get back? That'll be
to be determined. I guess when you sit down in
those meetings and you explain your vision for them next year,
does your vision match their vision? Does your money match
their money? And then you figure it out from there.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
You mentioned Tyler McKinley, and I thought of him often
yesterday watching Iowa State push them around. And I remember
the conversation that you and I had when we found
out that he was that he had suffered the injury
and was going to miss the season, And you know
I I walked away from that conversation thinking like, all right,
he might have been able to help a little bit
more than I originally thought. And then I thought about

(08:00):
that yesterday, and that wasn't the first time. Over the
course of the season. What difference could he have made
for this team?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Once you figured out Arrington Page couldn't play at this level,
or you determined that you didn't think he could play
at this level, probably would have helped a lot. Like
think how many times over the last three four weeks
we saw Dylan Mitchell out there for extended stretches at
the five at two hundred and ten pounds, Like that's
not ideal. You did that because you had to do that.

(08:34):
You'd have had another guy that you could have thrown
in there with that kind of size that maybe he
isn't going to get shoved off the block trying to
get defensive rebounds. Maybe that helps you out. Maybe he
helps you out defensively because he can hold his ground
a little bit more and doesn't get like pushed back
into the basket like we saw them get Asease and
Dylan and Page when he was in there. So, you know,

(08:57):
I don't think it would have made a drafted difference,
But I do think as you got into conference play
and had this realization that we don't have enough physicality,
Tyler certainly would have been a guy you would have
turned to a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I was asked this question yesterday, because they got players
in the portal from high major programs. In the case
of Dylan Mitchell, it worked, in the case of Arrington Page,
it didn't work in the case of Sea Moss Lukasis.
Over the course of his time in Cincinnati, I would
say it mostly worked. It did not over the last
nine or ten games. From a shooting perspective with see
Moss and the shoulder may have been an issue there.

(09:33):
In fact, I'm gonna guess that it was. But do
you think there was a little bit too much emphasis
on we have to get players from those programs, where
maybe it might have made a little bit more sense
to go into that well of mid majors or programs
from smaller conferences, lower conferences if you will, and find
guys who could take the step up.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
I mean that's a case by case. It's it's easy
to look back on that, like in retrospect. But with
Arronton Page it didn't work out, but he was the
top fifty type talent when he was in high school.
So you get into that world where you decide, do
we bet on what can what can this player become?

(10:21):
Or do you take a guy at a low major
program and say, Okay, we've seen this guy do it
at this level, we project that he can jump up
and while he might not be you know, say you
get a big that's seventeen points and eight rebounds, is
it probably going to be less than the big twelve? Yeah,
but if it's fourteen and six, boy, they sure could

(10:43):
have used fourteen and six from a big guy this year. Right.
So that's the the hard part about doing your evaluation.
I think ideally, Mo, what you do is you get
guys from power conferences that have produced in power conferences,
but those guys are expense and that comes down to
what I think when I look at this league, what

(11:08):
I think is probably the proper mindset for Cincinnati is
go get a guard that's got some physicality and some
scoring ability at the top of your roster, and then
go get a big that you think can score and rebound,
and then build around them. Because there are a bunch

(11:29):
of teams that did that that had success. Taylor did
it with VJ. Edgecomb and Norchetto, Mere Texas Tech did
it with JT. Toppin and Chance McMillan. You know, there's
a bunch of teams that if you look at kind
of how they were constructed, this is how they were constructed.

(11:49):
And if you don't have the abundance of wealth where
you can just buy it starting five, I think you're
probably best going and getting too high end guys and
then fitting pieces around those two high end guys that
you think will work.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Chad Brendel, Bearcat Journal dot Com. I'm going to keep
you past the top of the hour, so my apologies
are Terran. Let's do a couple here really quick. The
NIL discussion. It reminds me of the arguments I'm watching
people have about the Bengals, where you have the folks
who go they have the money, they're just being cheap,
and then the people who carry the water for them
and say, actually, they have a cash problem. What is

(12:26):
uc'snil situation as it relates to men's basketball.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I think it's solid, but the problem is you're in
a league where solid might I might not be good enough.
You know, when I broke it down in the middle
of the season, I made a bunch of calls around
the league. Cincinnati had a quality in IL, but it
ended up being in like the third tier of the league,

(12:53):
which was like nine through twelve essentially, so you're you're
in that same group. A team like Iowa State was
in that group. They did a great job talent evaluation
and finding guys that fit into what they could afford.
West Virginia kind of similar. Like it would have been
interesting to see West Virginia what they look like with

(13:16):
Tucker Debris, because I think that would have been a
better team. But when I looked at West Virginia, this
is what was frustrating about losing twice to West Virginia.
I never thought they were like they were that good
of a roster. They had a really good player in
Javon Small and Armani Hansbury came on later in the year,
but they weren't loaded, you know what I mean, Like that,
that wasn't a roster that had a bunch of talent.

(13:37):
It's just they constructed it with two guys at the
top of the roster, and they kind of put some
pieces around them that they think would supplement those guys,
and it worked out for them. They're probably gonna get
in the tournament. So I think you have to look
at like, who's working with the amount of money that
you had, at the level that you had, what worked
for them, and kind of I don't say copy it,

(14:00):
but find a way that that works for you. Find
a way that that path works for you, because you're
not gonna outspend Kansas. You're not gonna outspend Dyu, who's
bringing in a six million dollar player next year. But
there are ways to win when you're in that middle ground.
Like they're not at the bottom, they're not looking up

(14:21):
at the field and thinking we've got no chance. They
have enough. If they are good at the evaluation process
and they bring in the right guys, they have enough
money to compete in this league, maybe not for a championship,
but certainly enough to be an NCAA tournament team.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
One more if it's the Thursday of the Big Twelve
Tournament a year from now, and you and I are
talking and the Bearcats are home from Kansas City, and
we know their name's not gonna pop up on the
screen on Selection Sunday, what will we be talking about.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I mean, I'd have to guess we're talking about the
possibility that they're looking for a new coach. Three years
in this league, not being able to get into the
NCUBLEA tournament. It's not good enough for this program. And
I would assume Wes Miller knows that. What did Wes
Miller talk about when he beat Xavier? That's a relief

(15:19):
because if I didn't start beating Xavier, they were gonna
run me out of town. Well, they're gonna do the
same for the NCAA tournament. So he's not a dumb guy.
I think he knows if they don't get the job
done next year, that seed is gonna be incredibly hot,
to the point of is John Cunningham gonna pull the
trigger or not? I think that'll be what we're talking about.

(15:41):
If that's the case.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Awesome stuff is always Thanks so much, all right, thanks Moll,
Thank you at that. Chad Brendel bearcatjournal dot com. We
are late. This is ZESPN fifteen thirty

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