March 26, 2025 • 10 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us on the eve of Opening Day to, uh, talk about the Bengals...and the new Reds podcast he's in charge of!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Red's Baseball tomorrow. Let's talk to Bengels right now. We
didn't get to have Paul Tayner Junior on the show
yesterday because he was on vacation. His vacation is sober.
We've got questions. Let's start with Lucas Patrick, the guard.
I think a lot of folks are wondering what's what's
his role in the team gonna be? So I'll ask
you what's his role in the team gonna be?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
He could be a starting guard. I mean he's in
the competition.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We've sort of been, you know, having some fun on
the podcast with the Royal Rumble concept and that you know,
like they should just charge they should charge admission to
an actual Royal Rumble with like a with like an
actual ring and everything out there, and then use the
proceeds from that to pay whoever the winner ends up being.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Because it's it's just.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Seems there's a lot of names and a lot of
options that are that are in there right now. I mean,
this is a guy that has started and you know,
he started sixty four games.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
He started a bunch in the last two years.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
He's had I think some some success as a pass protector.
I mean, he hasn't allowed any sacks the last two seasons.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
He's but he's he's.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
More of a you know, he's a reserve. Maybe he's
your starter. He's kind of Cody fordish in a lot
of ways. And so but I think they feel like
when they looked at the rubble of the guard market
there and and kind of picked through, I think they
felt like they saw potentially something with Lucas Patrick that
(01:25):
could fit down and and some of the qualities they
were looking for are there and can make work.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We'll see and if it busts, it busts.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I mean, it's not like we're talking about paying ten
twelve million dollars. So I think they're hopeful. At the
very least he helps their depth, which is an issue.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Unfortunately starting is as well, and so that's not great.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
But you know, you're you figure between him Cody Ford
Cordel Volson a premium draft pick. You need to find
two starters that you feel comfortable with and and we'll
see down the line if the brand and sheriffing ever
comes to fruition or whatever. But there's really no other
names out there that change the way you feel, So
that's probably you know, the competition that you're looking at
(02:10):
for those two spots right now.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Is is there something that over the last two weeks
you would argue, whether it's a specific player or maybe
even going back aways and just getting the Higgins and
Chase things done a while ago. Is there something that
you look at and go, they should have done this
by this point and it might have made an impact,
not just in terms of the team they're gonna have
(02:32):
this coming season, but it might better help shape the
draft strategy and make what they need to do in
the draft a little bit more doable.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah. Well, I think you kind of hit it on
it there.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I think having what they did with Higgins and Chase
in the pocket before free agency probably would have helped
them feel like they could focus and have a little
more aggression and calculated aggression in certain spots than they did.
I think, you know, they were getting closer, but you know,
(03:04):
when you're not all the way there, you can be
a little hesitant in it and and not get everything
accomplished that you'd like to.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I think that's probably the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I mean, that's the thing when you look at that
you could do that and you could end up coming
out of it feeling a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I mean, that's that's that's the one.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
That's the one spot because it's really one, maybe two players.
They're an upgrade over what you signed that could have
given you. Whether it was the pass rush, whether it
was the starting linebacker, whether it was a guard.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I mean, one of those you could have maybe made
an extra push for if you felt like you had
a better feel for it, but that didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
When we get to the draft, are they going to
have to reach because of what they haven't done in
free agency?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, I mean they certainly don't feel like they can
even say with a straight face, best player available.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I just when when you're in the position that they're in,
and you're not talking about just needing depth behind guys,
but you really need that you hope will play into
a starting role pretty early at multiple positions.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
You can't just sit there and wait for you know,
and say, oh, well wait, we'll get that later or whatever.
And so I think right now you've got to you're
in a spot where they need to they need to
have three or four positions, positions that they that they
need to be doing this with and and that makes
it hard. But you know, it's it's a spot they're
(04:26):
in it, it has it can get you in trouble, and.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
We've seen that a bunch of times.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Also though you know a lot of times the draft
does can fall your way. And I don't think that
I don't know this is good or bad, but like
one position is any more desperate than the other.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I think they have boxes they need to check.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
With their first four picks, and whatever order they come
in they can probably make do with. You probably prioritize
pass rush over all of those, but you can find
different ways to make that work for you. But yeah,
you're you're not gonna sit there and be like, we're
stunned some position we weren't expecting fell into our lap.
(05:04):
That's a hard call for them to make right now
when you consider where they're at in terms of, you know,
quantity and need that they have in this draft.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Another minute here with Paul Danner Jr. I want to
ask about in addition to the growler here in just
a second, but one more on the Bengals. You are
going to the owners meetings next week. Katie Blackburn is
scheduled to speak. What are you looking forward to finding
out from her.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Well, I think there's a couple obviously. I mean, you've
got to start with what happened with t and Jamar.
You know there inside view of how that got down,
some of the things we just talked about in terms
of timing and some of the precedent they broke in
structure there.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
To do things that they hadn't really done.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
We're going to be interested in what's going on with
Trey Hendrickson and her view on that. I think the
stadium conversation is going to be the fascinating headline here,
though we don't get an opportunity to talk to them
very often. They're in the middle of this, and you know,
I'm sure that they're you know, these things.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Are are fairly quiet.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You're not gonna want to be out there saying anything,
but it's it's important moment in time there, and so
her thoughts and where they're at with the stadium is
is gonna be a big deal, I think, And so
I think that's probably gonna gonna be what I'm most
interested in because it's the one that's most murky and
(06:27):
most unknown of what exactly is going on with those negotiations.
As you you know, a deadline which is quickly approaching
here in the future.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm really excited to spend a lot of time talking
about the stadium situation. That's that's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I know you are.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I know you are before I let you run. Obviously,
it's opening day eve, and we're we're all excited for
the season. I'm excited for what you've added to the
Growler podcast because you're gonna You're gonna do something regulated
with two people who I think are awesome at their jobs.
Charlie Goldsmith, whose newsletter is terrific, long time writer The Inquirer.
(07:00):
He is teaming up with Brian Geeson's log, who's obviously
part of the Reds pre and post game and does
a terrific job. You're calling it power Stacks. I'm excited
for it. Tell me about it.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, So, I mean it's I really We've gotten a
lot of emails and people talking about, man, you guys
should add some kind of Reds podcast, And I was
a little hesitant because they don't want to just like
dip your toe into that water.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's you know, that's such a thing. But if you could.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Show up and make a splash once Charlie and Brian
were like, we're interested, we want to do it, we
think this would be great.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I was like, I'm I'm here to.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Support anything you guys want to do, and I just
think this can be really cool.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So it's it's it's.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Under the under the Like podcast network, But this is
basically their show. I mean, this is this is this
is Charlie and Brian with starting everybody's week off on
Monday mornings with stuff that they've held back that they
saved for the show from being around the team all
the time in the club house.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Of course, Brian and Charlie.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I mean I think they're they're uh, you know, their
reputation precedes themselves there and what you're gonna expect, and
it's gonna be great. It's gonna be insightful, it's going
to be inside. We're gonna it's gonna try to be
different and kind of fill a space that feels that
it could be filled, and it's gonna be fun. I'm
excited to see what happens for it. It's cool to
have them sort of you know, being any way a part.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Of what they want to do.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I'm thrilled about it and it's gonna be it's gonna
be a great show. When I just look, when you're
talking about Monday mornings, I think in baseball, you wake
up and you're like, this is the weekend series happened,
and you're like, let's look big picture at what's going
on in what should be a fascinating season. And that's
why I love I love the entry point for two
people like them to kind of try to step into it.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm looking forward to it. I love Charlie's work. Brian
does a terrific job. I think we should invite them, though,
to one of those games where we sit out, like
to stand out there in right field and see if
they can bring the podcast stuff and just do their
thing from there, like on on a random Sunday afternoon
while we're there.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That could be.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
That could be fun for me at least.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well, I know, judging by a lot of the conversations
and things that happen to right field they're in the games,
there'll be a lot that we probably will have to edit.
I just I feel like some of the takes are
a little too hot for consumption when you get out there.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But I'm all, I'm all for it. Let's bring I
don't know, is there.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
A is that in the ABP policy anything about microphones
and recording equipment ending up in the outfield? Is that?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I feel like in today's day's age, where where everybody
has a podcast, yeah, I feel like microphones should be
allowed just about anywhere.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Everybody has a microphone in their pocket. It's called a
cell phone. Yes, we don't. We don't need an elaborate setup.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
No, an elaborate setup. It must be an elaborate set up. Well,
I'll let you.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
There's no parking lot that you haven't done a show
from at this point. We've had you on from multiple
parking lots at this point with your whole rig. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And I've been thinking about like the you know, the
off season and the upcoming season, you know, kind of
expanding my horizons and on a weekly basis, maybe joining
you from a different place and maybe make you guess
where I am.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I know you have a lot going on. Talk to
Katie Blackburn next week first, and then we'll work on that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's it's in my notes somebody to do list of
things to do. Find places that MO can do shows
from uncomfortably.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, the key is uncomfortably The Athletic dot Com Paul
Danner Junior covering the Bengals, The Growler Podcast and the
new edition starting for baseball season, Power Stacks with Brian
Geeson's log and Charlie Goldsmith Enjoy the owners meetings. I'll
bother you from there.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Thank you, as always awesome Simo
Red's Baseball tomorrow. Let's talk to Bengels right now. We
didn't get to have Paul Tayner Junior on the show
yesterday because he was on vacation. His vacation is sober.
We've got questions. Let's start with Lucas Patrick, the guard.
I think a lot of folks are wondering what's what's
his role in the team gonna be? So I'll ask
you what's his role in the team gonna be?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
He could be a starting guard. I mean he's in
the competition.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We've sort of been, you know, having some fun on
the podcast with the Royal Rumble concept and that you know,
like they should just charge they should charge admission to
an actual Royal Rumble with like a with like an
actual ring and everything out there, and then use the
proceeds from that to pay whoever the winner ends up being.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Because it's it's just.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Seems there's a lot of names and a lot of
options that are that are in there right now. I mean,
this is a guy that has started and you know,
he started sixty four games.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
He started a bunch in the last two years.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
He's had I think some some success as a pass protector.
I mean, he hasn't allowed any sacks the last two seasons.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
He's but he's he's.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
More of a you know, he's a reserve. Maybe he's
your starter. He's kind of Cody fordish in a lot
of ways. And so but I think they feel like
when they looked at the rubble of the guard market
there and and kind of picked through, I think they
felt like they saw potentially something with Lucas Patrick that
(01:25):
could fit down and and some of the qualities they
were looking for are there and can make work.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We'll see and if it busts, it busts.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I mean, it's not like we're talking about paying ten
twelve million dollars. So I think they're hopeful. At the
very least he helps their depth, which is an issue.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Unfortunately starting is as well, and so that's not great.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
But you know, you're you figure between him Cody Ford
Cordel Volson a premium draft pick. You need to find
two starters that you feel comfortable with and and we'll
see down the line if the brand and sheriffing ever
comes to fruition or whatever. But there's really no other
names out there that change the way you feel, So
that's probably you know, the competition that you're looking at
(02:10):
for those two spots right now.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Is is there something that over the last two weeks
you would argue, whether it's a specific player or maybe
even going back aways and just getting the Higgins and
Chase things done a while ago. Is there something that
you look at and go, they should have done this
by this point and it might have made an impact,
not just in terms of the team they're gonna have
(02:32):
this coming season, but it might better help shape the
draft strategy and make what they need to do in
the draft a little bit more doable.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah. Well, I think you kind of hit it on
it there.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I think having what they did with Higgins and Chase
in the pocket before free agency probably would have helped
them feel like they could focus and have a little
more aggression and calculated aggression in certain spots than they did.
I think, you know, they were getting closer, but you know,
(03:04):
when you're not all the way there, you can be
a little hesitant in it and and not get everything
accomplished that you'd like to.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I think that's probably the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I mean, that's the thing when you look at that
you could do that and you could end up coming
out of it feeling a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I mean, that's that's that's the one.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
That's the one spot because it's really one, maybe two players.
They're an upgrade over what you signed that could have
given you. Whether it was the pass rush, whether it
was the starting linebacker, whether it was a guard.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I mean, one of those you could have maybe made
an extra push for if you felt like you had
a better feel for it, but that didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
When we get to the draft, are they going to
have to reach because of what they haven't done in
free agency?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, I mean they certainly don't feel like they can
even say with a straight face, best player available.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I just when when you're in the position that they're in,
and you're not talking about just needing depth behind guys,
but you really need that you hope will play into
a starting role pretty early at multiple positions.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
You can't just sit there and wait for you know,
and say, oh, well wait, we'll get that later or whatever.
And so I think right now you've got to you're
in a spot where they need to they need to
have three or four positions, positions that they that they
need to be doing this with and and that makes
it hard. But you know, it's it's a spot they're
(04:26):
in it, it has it can get you in trouble, and.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
We've seen that a bunch of times.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Also though you know a lot of times the draft
does can fall your way. And I don't think that
I don't know this is good or bad, but like
one position is any more desperate than the other.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I think they have boxes they need to check.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
With their first four picks, and whatever order they come
in they can probably make do with. You probably prioritize
pass rush over all of those, but you can find
different ways to make that work for you. But yeah,
you're you're not gonna sit there and be like, we're
stunned some position we weren't expecting fell into our lap.
(05:04):
That's a hard call for them to make right now
when you consider where they're at in terms of, you know,
quantity and need that they have in this draft.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Another minute here with Paul Danner Jr. I want to
ask about in addition to the growler here in just
a second, but one more on the Bengals. You are
going to the owners meetings next week. Katie Blackburn is
scheduled to speak. What are you looking forward to finding
out from her.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Well, I think there's a couple obviously. I mean, you've
got to start with what happened with t and Jamar.
You know there inside view of how that got down,
some of the things we just talked about in terms
of timing and some of the precedent they broke in
structure there.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
To do things that they hadn't really done.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
We're going to be interested in what's going on with
Trey Hendrickson and her view on that. I think the
stadium conversation is going to be the fascinating headline here,
though we don't get an opportunity to talk to them
very often. They're in the middle of this, and you know,
I'm sure that they're you know, these things.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Are are fairly quiet.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You're not gonna want to be out there saying anything,
but it's it's important moment in time there, and so
her thoughts and where they're at with the stadium is
is gonna be a big deal, I think, And so
I think that's probably gonna gonna be what I'm most
interested in because it's the one that's most murky and
(06:27):
most unknown of what exactly is going on with those negotiations.
As you you know, a deadline which is quickly approaching
here in the future.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm really excited to spend a lot of time talking
about the stadium situation. That's that's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I know you are.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I know you are before I let you run. Obviously,
it's opening day eve, and we're we're all excited for
the season. I'm excited for what you've added to the
Growler podcast because you're gonna You're gonna do something regulated
with two people who I think are awesome at their jobs.
Charlie Goldsmith, whose newsletter is terrific, long time writer The Inquirer.
(07:00):
He is teaming up with Brian Geeson's log, who's obviously
part of the Reds pre and post game and does
a terrific job. You're calling it power Stacks. I'm excited
for it. Tell me about it.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, So, I mean it's I really We've gotten a
lot of emails and people talking about, man, you guys
should add some kind of Reds podcast, And I was
a little hesitant because they don't want to just like
dip your toe into that water.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's you know, that's such a thing. But if you could.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Show up and make a splash once Charlie and Brian
were like, we're interested, we want to do it, we
think this would be great.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I was like, I'm I'm here to.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Support anything you guys want to do, and I just
think this can be really cool.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So it's it's it's.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Under the under the Like podcast network, But this is
basically their show. I mean, this is this is this
is Charlie and Brian with starting everybody's week off on
Monday mornings with stuff that they've held back that they
saved for the show from being around the team all
the time in the club house.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Of course, Brian and Charlie.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I mean I think they're they're uh, you know, their
reputation precedes themselves there and what you're gonna expect, and
it's gonna be great. It's gonna be insightful, it's going
to be inside. We're gonna it's gonna try to be
different and kind of fill a space that feels that
it could be filled, and it's gonna be fun. I'm
excited to see what happens for it. It's cool to
have them sort of you know, being any way a part.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Of what they want to do.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I'm thrilled about it and it's gonna be it's gonna
be a great show. When I just look, when you're
talking about Monday mornings, I think in baseball, you wake
up and you're like, this is the weekend series happened,
and you're like, let's look big picture at what's going
on in what should be a fascinating season. And that's
why I love I love the entry point for two
people like them to kind of try to step into it.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm looking forward to it. I love Charlie's work. Brian
does a terrific job. I think we should invite them, though,
to one of those games where we sit out, like
to stand out there in right field and see if
they can bring the podcast stuff and just do their
thing from there, like on on a random Sunday afternoon
while we're there.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That could be.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
That could be fun for me at least.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well, I know, judging by a lot of the conversations
and things that happen to right field they're in the games,
there'll be a lot that we probably will have to edit.
I just I feel like some of the takes are
a little too hot for consumption when you get out there.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But I'm all, I'm all for it. Let's bring I
don't know, is there.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
A is that in the ABP policy anything about microphones
and recording equipment ending up in the outfield? Is that?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I feel like in today's day's age, where where everybody
has a podcast, yeah, I feel like microphones should be
allowed just about anywhere.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Everybody has a microphone in their pocket. It's called a
cell phone. Yes, we don't. We don't need an elaborate setup.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
No, an elaborate setup. It must be an elaborate set up. Well,
I'll let you.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
There's no parking lot that you haven't done a show
from at this point. We've had you on from multiple
parking lots at this point with your whole rig. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And I've been thinking about like the you know, the
off season and the upcoming season, you know, kind of
expanding my horizons and on a weekly basis, maybe joining
you from a different place and maybe make you guess
where I am.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I know you have a lot going on. Talk to
Katie Blackburn next week first, and then we'll work on that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's it's in my notes somebody to do list of
things to do. Find places that MO can do shows
from uncomfortably.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, the key is uncomfortably The Athletic dot Com Paul
Danner Junior covering the Bengals, The Growler Podcast and the
new edition starting for baseball season, Power Stacks with Brian
Geeson's log and Charlie Goldsmith Enjoy the owners meetings. I'll
bother you from there.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Thank you, as always awesome Simo
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