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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Mo Andrew, thank you for listening.
Hook You're having a great Thursday. Thursday, I said I
did not have a very good Wednesday night. We are
going to start the show by talking college basketball.

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You really?

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I'm holding it right now on my hand for no
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dot org. Chad Brendle in about forty minutes. Now, I
know what you're thinking, Well, we're going to start the
show by talking college hoops, and you're thinking mostly a
huge UCY fan, and I'm sure he has some thoughts

(01:27):
on last night's game. I'm sure he's really disappointed. I'm
sure he's got some things to say, maybe some stuff
to get off his chest. And you're right about those things.
So you're probably thinking, well, that's that's that's how we're
going to start the show. No, we're not. We're not
gonna do that because we have it's a new rule.
I'll admit this. It's a new rule, but but it's

(01:48):
a we're gonna make it permanent.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
The new rule is winners go first. UC did not
win last night, in fact, the exact opposite. So I
know there are some in the audience who are gonna
get mad at me for doing this, but that's that's
the new rule.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Now, winners go first.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Last night, the Xavier Musketeers at Hinklefield House were winners
ninety one to seventy eight over Butler. XU is not
yet safely in the NCAA tournament. Some bracketologists, I'm sure
have them in our guy Nky Brackett, Guy's gonna join
us at the top of the five o'clock hour.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
They've got work to do.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Probably can't afford to lose it home to Providence, probably
can't afford to lose their first round game in the
Big East tournament. But look, man, say what you want
about how the season has unfolded, and say what you
want about how the Muskies at times this year have
struggled to put together a solid forty minutes. They are
closing toward the finish line with a head of steam.
They have won six consecutive games. Now you could say,

(02:48):
well that they're not beating very good teams. Creighton offensively
is XU a team that oftentimes this year looked like
one that couldn't get stops. Defensively held that Creighton team
to sixty one on Saturday. And yes, they've beaten some
of the dregs of the Big East. But they put
themselves at least in a position that if they took
care of business, they would be they'd at least have

(03:10):
a chance to make the NCAA tournament. Because they more
than held their own against Marquette. They won a game
on the road against Marquette, more than held their own
against Yukon. They won a game at home against Yukon.
They should have beaten Saint John's in the game at
Madison Square Garden did not, But they've taken care of
business down the stretch, and last night, coming off an

(03:33):
emotional game on Saturday, a great performance and everything that
comes with it, they go to Indy and they take
on a Butler team that looked mostly checked out, that
certainly was ripe for a beating, and the Muskies obliged,
hammering Butler ninety one to seventy eight.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Here's Sean Miller after the game.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
I mean, very very proud of our entire group, you know,
the players, the staff. Winning on a road in a
conference like the Big East, you know, it's very challenging,
and in particular these meaningful games in the month of
February March, where you know, at times there's additional pressure
because of what's at stake with the end being near.

(04:19):
So you know, for us to get our fifth road
win in the Big East as something that we're proud of,
and now we have that one remaining game providence at
home on Saturday. What we've done a good job of
is learning from each game, leaving it, being prepared, working together,
being focused on the next thing, the things that we

(04:40):
can control. And you know, obviously that remains, that continues,
that continues for us, and that is to feel good
about the things we did, learn from the things we
could have done better tonight, have a couple of great
days and be equally prepared for the Providence game as
we would have been for tonight's game. And also, our
guys were able to leave the Creighton game, work really

(05:03):
hard and be ready for tonight's game, win or lose.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
We were ready to play. Sean apparently stuck in a well.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
While offering his postgame comments and the aftermath of his
team's thirteen point road win against Butler, he credited his
team with being ready to play.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And they were.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
But it's not just that they've gotten better. They've played well.
They shot fifty two percent last night. A team that
at times this season was a turnover machine rank in
the middle of the pack in the country in turnover percentage,
they've rectified that issue. Six in a high possession game
against Creighton on Saturday. Five in a high possession game
against Butler yesterday. Their bigs have gotten better, they've had

(05:40):
an edge on the glass. Zach Fremantle has been terrific
offensively the last couple of games, and when certain individual
players have had bad shooting performances, they've had other guys
step up. They've put themselves in a position to be
an NCAA tournament team.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
They have work to do. They're not perfect.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Frankly, they don't have the profile of a second weekend team,
but they've got a shot. And if I would have
said into this microphone a month ago or six weeks ago,
or after they lost their first two Big East games,
or after they lost to TCU, or hell, after they
lost to UC that the Muskies are going to be
an NCAA tournament team, or at least go into the
final weekend of the season, the final game of the season,

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with a chance to make the tournament, you would have
said there's no way.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
And yet here they are.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
They deserve credit for that, every amount of credit the
Muskies deserve for what I just outlined. The Bearcats deserve
the exact opposite for what we saw last night. Here's
the real troubling thing. Okay, it's not that they lost
the basketball game. It's not that their at large chances

(06:47):
have gone out the window. It's not that U see
basketball is about to barring winning five games in five
days in Kansas City, about to go through its sixth
consecutive season, not making the NCAA tournament, none of those things.
It's that what we all are focusing on in the

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aftermath of last night, the effort or lack thereof, the
toughness or lack thereof, the grit or lack thereof, the
lack of a spark, the lack of purpose, the lack
of urgency, the lack of desperation, all themes late last

(07:30):
night and into today. I think the real troubling thing,
for me at least, is what we witnessed last night.
Whether you were there, whether you watched on TV, whether
you listen to Dan and Terry, whatever it is. The
troubling thing to me is none of it's that surprising,
None of it's that surprising, because last night was not

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close to the first time that I have either walked
out of fifth Third Arena or have come away from
a Bearcat game not focusing on the final score, not
focusing on some of the in game strategy, not focusing
on a handful of plays that could have gone the
other way, not focusing on an officiating issue, but focusing

(08:16):
on effort, focus, urgency, lack of desperation.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Here's what I hoped for last night.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
A UC team coming off a tough loss against Houston,
a game that they were probably never going to win,
but still with at least a shred of hope remaining
that if they could win their last two games and
have some success in Kansas City, that Cincinnati could still
pop up on the screen on Selection Sunday. I went

(08:45):
into last night thinking there's still a chance, and thinking
that because there's still a chance, that the effort of
the team would reflect as much and you would see
something desperate and you would see something with urgency. Add
to it the fact that it was senior night, which

(09:06):
is always supposed to provide some emotional lift. Instead, what
I saw, and I think what you saw if you're
a Bearcat fan, was the exact opposite, against a Kansas
State team that, like Butler, last night, was very ripe
for the taking. I thought for the first twenty five

(09:27):
minutes last night, Kansas State, and I liked their coach,
Jerome Tang Kansas State looked like a team that had
almost no interest being there, had almost no interest being there,
was begging to be beaten, begging to be blown out,
effectively playing out the string zero at large chances, and

(09:47):
instead at halftime, you see was up by three points.
And I had a really bad feeling because you let
a team hang around long enough that has no interest
in playing, at some point they're going to go, well,
you know what, we can win this game. Why not try.
They did, killing Cincinnati's at large hopes. Here's Wes Miller
on a couple of issues in his postgame press conference
after the game.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
In the final minute, it looked like there was some
miscommunication with Disease about found Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Well, first off, they it's eight seconds, right, and then
it really six. It should have been eight because I
called time out with eight. We were in trouble there, Okay,
so I'm in the time out thinking I have six
seconds the whole full time out. My last time out
was six seconds. As we're walking out on the floor
to inbound the ball, they change it to eighteen seconds.
I've never had that happen in my career. I don't
understand how you can add ten seconds and I don't

(10:36):
even know they're reviewing the clock. I don't even know
there's a maybe a potential issue with hit hidden the rim.
So like you diagram something quick because you have six
seconds on the clock, but you find out you have
eighteen now it's too late to change it. So that
changes the whole dynamic of the situation, the time of
the situation. Okay, then obviously we were in a pressing situation.

(10:56):
We have fouls to give. Okay, we wanted to start
that process sub in. But the clock gets down. We're
now it's not a two possession game anymore, and we're
trying to then call the foul off. But the problem
was we're trying to foul really early in the shot clock.
It took it took fourteen seconds to even try to
We couldn't even.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
Get to a foul.

Speaker 8 (11:15):
That's effort. You're yelling foul.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
Thought, we have a signal for it and a communication
word for it, that's effort. They just kept banging it
around the horn. We can't even get to foul a
guy to take a foul. And we practiced that for
ten minutes two days ago, how to foul. But no,
by the time the shot clock is off. Yeah, you
want to play the possession now, it's a one possession game.
I promise I'm not that.

Speaker 9 (11:37):
Stupid Wes with so much, with so little time remaining
now in the season. What is your message and how
do you if you can go back to the drawing board,
go back to the drawing board before the tournament.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
It's March in college basketball.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
You live for this as a competitor.

Speaker 10 (11:54):
You work the whole year to be in March.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
I don't think think that I have to motivate competitors
to play in March.

Speaker 11 (12:04):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 6 (12:06):
It's March in college basketball? This is you live for
these moments, these opportunities. Man, we control our own destiny,
like you live for the opportunity to come here and
compete tonight and try to show the NCAA tournament why
you belong in the field, don't.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
I don't have any tricks for that. This Like I
don't have any tricks man, Like no, Like we've been
a competitive, hard playing team for four weeks, confident team.
I don't know what happened tonight, but I don't know.
I don't have any tricks. It's March's nothing to trick up.
We have played thirty games or whatever the heck it's been.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Wes Miller in his postgame press conference last night, you
heard a reference to the end of game sequence where
Cincinnati essentially let Kansas State dribble a bunch of time
off the clock, and then once they got it to
a one possession game with plenty of fouls to give,
they inexplicably foul and then have to spend the majority

(13:00):
of the rest of the time accumulating fouls, eventually sending
Kansas States in the line. And there was a sequence
there where Wes is in a timeout and they've got
the ball, he's drawn something up, there's six seconds on
the shot clock. They go back to review whether or
not a UC shot went off the rim. They'd put
twelve more seconds on the shot clock. Wes was unaware.

(13:23):
He's got a full bench full of staff members. Surely
one of them had to see that there was an
official at the scorer's table looking at a monitor. It
didn't occur to anybody to come over and see what
they were reviewing and find out what the result of
the review was. Are you kidding me? Second, there's something

(13:45):
troubling in there. Wes talked about how hard his team
has played, how together they've played, and what the effort
has been like for the last four weeks. Well, the
sea and started in early November, the last four weeks
go back to early February, so a high effort team

(14:10):
is not what they are. The last four weeks is
not close to the majority of the season. So the
four weeks are the outlier, which is why last night
was disappointing, troubling, damning, but not that surprising. The other

(14:34):
thing from last night that was familiar was the booing
being rained down on from the fans at Fifth Third
Arena last night, impossible to ignore if you were watching, listening,
certainly if you were there. I don't think those fans
were booing the score, the results, what the bracketologists are

(14:57):
going to say about the Bearcats. I think, for the
fourth or fifth time this season, the folks at Fifth
Third last night were booing effort. They were booing the
direction of the program, and they were expressing their dissatisfaction
with not just the season, but the direction of this
program has gone in and expressing a lack of faith

(15:21):
that this is going to get significantly better anytime soon.
Twenty minutes after three o'clock, We've got news. Adam Schefter
of ESPN has reported within the last two minutes that
the Bengals are granting Trey Hendrickson permission to seek a trade.
Here is a quote from Trey Hendrickson quote. It's been

(15:42):
an honor and a privilege to represent Cincinnati over the
last four years. I love this city and organization. I
appreciate the privilege of now being allowed to explore my options.
The Bengals telling Trey Hendrickson, go explore a trade. We'll
discuss next on ESPN fifteen thirty. Cincinnati Sports Station.

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This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Molegard. Thank you for
joining us today. So we started the show by talking
college hoops, and we'll jump back into that a little
bit later on. We do have breaking news from Adam
Schefter of ESPN who reports that the Bengals are allowing
Trey Hendrickson to explore a trade. Obviously, this has been
something we have been talking about a lot, really for

(17:02):
the last eleven months, ever since we found out i
think on day one of the draft last year, that
Trey had requested a trade. Obviously, that didn't happen. Trey
came back and had a terrific year for the Bengals,
led the league in sacks, defensive Player of the Year finalist,
and then the conversation since the season ended has been
about Trey and what the possibilities are with him, whether

(17:23):
it's extend him, whether it's trade him, or whether it's
just let him play with one more year on the deal.
And then you know, have to to sift through the
fallout from that.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
So for me, a couple of instant reactions. One is
I wonder what the trade market is now.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
There are a lot of teams who if you said, hey,
do you want Trey Hendrickson, would say, yeah, of course
we do, because Trey is a terrific pass rusher. That said,
there is a pretty good list of available edge rushers
in free agency. Joey Bosa just it just got added
to that mix after being released by the LA Chargers.
And you might go, well, Trey Hendrickson's a better player

(18:07):
than Joey Bosa right now, and Joey Bosa is always hurt,
and there's something to that. But if you want Joey Bosa,
you don't have to part with draft capital. You just
have to sign him as a free agent. And Khalil
Mack is out there, Josh Sweat is out there, Matthew
Judon is out there, Chase Young is out there still,
Malcolm Konz, Baron Browning, Hassan Reddick, Dante Fowler is out there.

(18:31):
Like some of these guys better than others, some of
these guys older than others. And again you might argue
none are as good as Trey Hendrickson. But if if
I'm one of those teams and I have an option
to trade for Trey Hendrickson and give up something of
value or just pay a dude in free agency, maybe
in some cases less money than I would be paying

(18:53):
Trey Hendrickson. Well, you know that limits what I might
be willing to give up to the Bengals in exchange
for Trey Hendrickson. I just I wonder. I wonder what
the market is. Also, there's Miles Garrett out there who
has not backed off his trade request from the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
We compared yesterday, and this is not at all apples
to apples, but the Kansas City Chiefs took a player
of similar profile in a Joe Tooney different position, not
as valuable a position, but a guy who had been
a part of free teams that went to Super Bowls
in Kansas City, was a first team AP All Pro
this year of an Offensive Player of the Year vote getter,

(19:35):
and they sent him to Chicago for a twenty twenty
six fourth round pick. Now, I believe Trey Hendrickson would
get you more than that, but I really do wonder
what the market is. So there's I guess my first
reaction that the second one is, well, Trey Hendrickson can

(19:55):
explore trade possibilities. Trey Hendrickson can't finalize any trade. And
so this is the Bengals, right, this is the Bengals.
So just because you come to them and go, hey,
we we got a we got a deal, we got
here's the deal. Okay, the Rams or the Buccaneers or
another end of the Patriots and the Jets or whoever,

(20:17):
they want a trade for me, and here's what they're
willing to give up. The Bengals have every right to go,
that's nice, that's okay, good luck. And so I wonder,
I wonder what it would compel the Bengals or what
would compel the Bengals to sign off on a deal
what for them is fair and appropriate compensation. Now, the

(20:42):
fact that they're doing this would suggest that they're more
open to trading trade Hendrickson than they were last year,
or more open to trading any player who's ever asked
for a deal. Last year, two players asked for trades.
This offseason, they've already gotten a trade request, according to
reports from Jermaine Pratt. And just because you ask for
a trade, this is very well documented in this franchise's history.

(21:05):
Just because you ask for a trade doesn't mean the
Bengals go, yeah, okay, cool, we'll trade you. We'll accommodatehho,
where would you like to go? They're not gonna do
it in many cases, don't even explore the possibility. But
the Bengals are gonna take care of themselves first, as
they should. So whatever trade Trey Hendrickson explores whatever trade

(21:27):
possibility he and his representation bring to the Bengals. Number one,
I guarantee you the Bengals are going to make sure
it's good for them.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Number Two, that's exactly what they should do.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I think this conversation is interesting to me, and I've
seen it with the t Higgins thing. Oh god, they
did tea dirty by franchise tagging him.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
No they didn't. The franchise tag is something you could use.
They used it.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
The Bengals are gonna take care of the Bengals, and
the Bengals are gonna take care of the Bengals when
it comes to trade Trey Hendrickson. So you might love
Trey and want to see Trey get traded and paid
and get what he's earned, and maybe that happens. But
I have a defense that I'm trying to rebuild that

(22:17):
had one good player on it last year. If I'm
trading that good player, I'm getting something of value back
that's at least equal, if not better. Maybe that happens,
but I'm not giving him up for a Day three pick.

(22:37):
I'm not giving up Trey Hendrickson unless what I get
back is something that I could use to advance the
goal of winning a championship this year. And I may
be dead wrong about this. Will not be the first time.
I don't know that that's out there. I don't know

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that there's a trade package from another team that you
could look at and say that advances the goal of
winning a championship this year more than keeping Trey Hendrickson
does this year.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
We will see.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
But I and by the way, you know Trey and
his agent, maybe he's open to going to any one
of the other thirty one teams. But if I told you,
if you worked for me, and I said, all right,
you're free to go find a better offered any one
of my competitors, are you gonna go to.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
All of them? No, You're gonna go to the ones
that you want to work for.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Well, my guess is if Trey Hendrickson's been told, which
according to Adam Schefter, he is been told, excuse me,
that he can go explore a trade. Well, he's only
gonna go. He's only gonna go to the good teams.
He's only gonna go to the teams that have a
chance to win. He's not gonna go to the bottom feeders.
He's not gonna go. I would imagine the Patriots. He's
is a dude who's gonna be thirty one years old.

(24:00):
He wants to get paid. But I'm gonna guess Trey's
gonna shop himself to contenders, which limits the pool of
teams that would be doing business with the Bengals. Are
the Bengals gonna trade Trey Hendrickson to another contender? I
did say this back in December, and I think I've

(24:25):
been proven right. Not that there's not a lot of
really interesting things happening with this franchise, because there are
Jamar t other free agents who they may bring in,
but I thought this was the most interesting offseason dynamic,
and I think it is. And by the way, free
agency starts here in a couple of days, So if

(24:49):
we're trading Trey Hendrickson, I might have to replace him,
maybe with one of those names I just read, So
the deal's gonna have to come together very, very quickly.
Another domino falls five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty.
There is there is never a shortage of things to

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talk about. That is what makes this job awesome. Never
a shortage of things to talk about. When I woke
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the Bengals have given Trey Hendrickson permission to seek a trade.

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Trey with a quote, again this is from Adam Schefter quote,
It's been an honor and privilege to represent Cincinnati over
the last four years. I love this city and organization,
and I appreciate the privilege of now being allowed to
explore my options. Hendrickson has led the NFL in sacks
over the last two seasons, including seventeen and a half
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o'clock on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. Lots of thoughts on
Trey your reaction. I've got a poll question coming up
in just a few minutes. First, Chad Brendle, He's next
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Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yi moegor, thank you for listening.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
More on the latest Bengals news, which there's a news
item every single day. Trey Hendrickson has been given permission
to seek a trade. This according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
And we have a lot of time to talk about this,
but first, it's Thursday. It's three forty five. Chad Brendel
joins us from Bearcat Journal dot com, and god knows,

(28:35):
there's a lot to talk about as it relates to
UC basketball right now.

Speaker 8 (28:38):
Hi, Chad, I would also like permission to seek a trade.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Which Bear cap players do you want to trade?

Speaker 7 (28:50):
No?

Speaker 6 (28:50):
Me?

Speaker 13 (28:51):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Me?

Speaker 8 (28:51):
Oh? I would like to seek a trade.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
To a different school's website.

Speaker 8 (28:56):
Yeah, I'm not having fun anymore.

Speaker 13 (28:58):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I said this at the top of the show that
the I think the real damning thing to me about
last night was not that they lost a basketball game. Fine,
it was that the effort's been a consistent theme this year.
Wes Miller talked about, well, the last four weeks we've
played hard. That's a problem because for four weeks they

(29:22):
did play hard, But you have to like slice that
out of the rest of the season, where for the
majority of it we've been talking about this team's lack
of effort. So the fact that we've done this already
this year that the fact that we did it last
night not that surprising. That's really damning.

Speaker 8 (29:39):
That's really damning. What really like stuck in my crawl
was that was the Kansas State team that did not
care whether they won that game or not. They like you,
you were sitting two feet from it. Though. Yeah, they
were yelling at each other like they weren't playing hard,
and Cincinnati was like, Oh, that's we're gonna do that today. Awesome.

(30:02):
I'm in no, you beat the crap out of that
team because they were begging you to do it and
they just weren't interested in doing so. Like, that's the thing.
If those two teams played a good game, like Kansas
State's got a bunch of talent, it's reasonable to think,
like I thought the first time those two teams played,
Kansas State played well, Cincinnati didn't. But like, if we

(30:25):
walked out of there and they both teams played well
and Cincinnati lost, it would be disappointing because what was
on the line. I don't think either team team played well.
I thought they both created and played like crap. Cincinnati
just played more like crap with everything to lose, and
they lost it.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
How many of these guys. Should we want to be
here next year?

Speaker 8 (30:49):
If if I can't get guys to show up and
care in March, I don't care who comes back.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
How many of these guys am I No, you're not
wrong at all? Are you not wrong?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
You know? I mean, I know the focus of the
conversation is about Wes, and we're going to talk to him,
But like, what I saw was a damning indictment against
the collection of players and most of them individually. And
if we're doing that with what was on the line
last night against that opponent, and it's not the first
time we're doing it, you know, I know everybody frets

(31:22):
about who comes and goes in the portal.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I'm I'm good with mostly cleaning house.

Speaker 8 (31:29):
What last night told me MO was got the wrong guys.
If my guys don't look at that game as out
for blood, come out with my hair on fire and
put Kansas State away before the ten minute mark in
the first half, Like I don't those aren't guys I
wont like. And you know there have been hints. If

(31:50):
you've listened to Wes, and I know you hear him
the postgame show, like the postgame interview, you hear him
listening back to the Coaches Show, he's talked about not
being able to coach these guys hard. Then those aren't
your guys. Like if you can't coach, yes, you have
to adjust and adapt to you know, each individual personality, right, Like,

(32:15):
maybe this guy doesn't respond to it. This guy responds
to this, that guy responds to that. I understand that collective,
my team doesn't like to be coached hard, then then
it's your job to get a new team.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
The response to that is going to be that's all
well and good, But these are his guys, and you've
hearn the dooing, and I know what you get on
your message boards, and I know what you see on
social media. This is a coach who is a tough
sell right now. It's four years and it's ending the
way it's ending this year in an extraordinarily dissatisfaction dissatisfying manner.

(32:52):
How do you sell your average Bearcat fan, especially one
who is a season ticket holder and has to make
decision about next year on West Miller.

Speaker 8 (33:04):
It's a heck of a question. I mean, it's a
tough sell right now, and people aren't you know. The
reality is I think there was an underestimation of how
easy hard the transition would be to this league. They're
not far off, but they're not good enough. Like that's

(33:25):
an awful place to be, right, because it's hard to
sell we're close because people don't want to hear that.
They want to hear we're there. But when I look
at you know, we talked about this, what's the right
when we were going into the season. You said, if
they don't meet their expectations, why they don't have a

(33:46):
top one hundred player. They don't have They have a
good collection of talent, but they don't have what you
know last night, what for sure Coleman Hawkins for you know,
David Gason, maybe Doug McDaniel before you get to the
first bear Cat that I would say was the best
player on the floor last night. And that's a common

(34:08):
theme throughout most of these games that they've played. So
that part of it, they've got to figure that out.
Some of it is internal, some of it is money revenue.
You know, these teams are paying more for better players
than what you've got. You've got to figure out a
way to be good in spite of that, and they

(34:29):
haven't figured that out. So in terms of like selling
Wes Miller for next year. He's going to have to
do it, probably through this is what we got in
the portal, and people are going to be skeptical until
they see it on the floor. And that's reasonable, that's understandable.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Does Cincinnati basketball under west Miller have an identity?

Speaker 8 (34:52):
Not a not a every night in, night out one.
I think when it's going well, it's easy to see like, Okay,
this is what they wanted to be. But the problem
is it's not that enough. It's not that consistently enough.
And that falls on the head coach. That's the head

(35:14):
coach's responsibility to develop that identity and develop that culture,
and you know, to ensure that it shows up every night.
It can't be showed up for five games, didn't show
up for three games, showed up for two games, didn't
show up for a month. Like that's that's how you
end up where they're at right now, best case scenario,

(35:36):
they're gonna essentially be the same team as last year.
Right they were seven and eleven in the Big twelve
last year. Yes, and it's a big If they win
at Oklahoma State, they'll be eight and twelve. So they
added two games Cincinnati would go one and one in
those extra two games. The progression that everybody believed was
in store for this year didn't deliver. So are people

(36:00):
now going to believe that it's just inherently going to
happen next year? With what sounds like is probably going
to have to be a fairly new roster at least
the top of it.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
In your approximation in the five biggest college basketball conferences,
how many of those schools have a general manager.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
It's not as many as you think. In basketball, it's
getting there. I've been wrestling with this myself today. MO
I do think it's something because of the scope of
how large a football roster is that it is something
you need. I don't. I'm torn on whether it is

(36:43):
like a necessity in college basketball because that generally, like
at most you're dealing with what adding six seven new
guys a year. You've got to go out of house
to add six or seven new guys. You need somebody
to come in and manage. That's small of a you know, football,

(37:07):
they're adding thirty forty new guys a year. I I
understand like the thought process of it. I just don't
know that in basketball it's it's super necessary. You're gonna
see it. Everybody's gonna do it eventually, just out of
you know, keeping up with the Jones is. But shouldn't

(37:29):
your staff of one head coach and five assistant coaches
and you know, a recruiting director and guys on the
support staff, you're adding five or six new guys. And
here's the thing, most of the time, you're adding three
or four of those guys in like a five week window.

(37:49):
So if your argument is, you know, maybe the GM
is the guy that is the guy scouring through all
the tapes and going through all the guys that might
be in the portal, I can see it eat for that,
But I don't. I'm I'm I'm fifty to fifty on
a general manager in college basketball, and some of that
is probably it's just not that prevalent yet. So I

(38:12):
need to see more situations where it's in use than effective.
I don't know that there's a lot of that yet
in the sport.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
It looks like they're a very good bet to play
in something called the College Basketball Crown, which is this
new event in Vegas that starts on the last day
of March. What is this and what is this going
to look like for programs where there could be a
roster overhall are those are they gonna if they're in
that event? Are they gonna have enough guys there to

(38:40):
play in it?

Speaker 8 (38:43):
So the Crown is owned by Fox. Yeah, Fox owns
the rights to the Big Ten, the Big Eiaest, and
the Big Twelve. The way that this is going to
work is there are six spots in this sixteen sixteen
team tournament that are guaranteed to those three leagues, and
the way they select those three to those six teams,

(39:05):
it's the top two teams in the net that didn't
make the NCAA tournament from those three leagues. Cincinnati in
the net is twenty two spots clear of falling out
of that tournament. And the two teams that are that
are down there, Utah and Arizona State. Cincinnati is not

(39:26):
dropping far enough. Those two teams are not climbing high enough.
I can't imagine for Cincinnati to fall out of this tournament.
So they're gonna be in the Crown and you're contractually
obligated to play in it. Are they gonna have enough guys?
The Transfer portal opens March twenty fourth. The Crown starts

(39:47):
March thirty first, So if Cincinnati is gonna have anyone
in the transfer portal, it is almost a certainty it's
gonna happen before March thirty first, I would imagine. So
will those guys play what? I need to know what
I don't know. There's been talks of like there's nil

(40:09):
there's money involved in this tournament for the players. How
much like that's gonna determine whether guys are going to
be willing to go to Vegas and play in this thing,
right if there's no money involved or a you know,
if it's like ten thousand dollars, Because these guys are
making a crap ton of money right now. Are they

(40:29):
really gonna not get in the portal and start taking
visits and trying to determine their future over ten thousand dollars?
I can't. I wouldn't. I'd be looking out for my
next bag.

Speaker 14 (40:41):
MO.

Speaker 8 (40:43):
Who knows. I have no answer to this because we
haven't seen it. I don't know what it looks like.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's rare that I hear more frustration in your voice
than mine, but I think we've achieved that today.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
It's annoying it is that that team that came out
last night defies logic. There's no there's nothing you could
say that would make me understand why it looked like that.
And it looked like that immediately Mo immediately we saw

(41:19):
each other at halftime and both of us were like,
what was that? Crap? What was that? And then they
didn't get They got worse in the second half. They
scored twenty four points in one half and twenty five
in the other.

Speaker 15 (41:33):
Good God, I'll be listening tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
You're on in this time slot. Thank you as always.

Speaker 8 (41:41):
I'm sure that the dcjpot will be fun tonight. If
you want to listen to that too, I will.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Listen to I will. I will not participate, but I
but I will. I will most definitely listen.

Speaker 8 (41:51):
No, I was just hoping you would come on and
save me some talking, but I'm gonna have to talk a.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Lot at Brendel Bearcat Journal dot com on Twitter at
Chad Brendel. All right, it's coming up on four o'clock.
Adam Schefter reports Bengals have given Trey Hendrickson permission to
explore a.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Trade, which I guess to a degree, this is good news.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
If your biggest Bengals offseason priority is Joe Burrow's biggest
Bengals offseason priority. We'll discuss next four o'clock ESPN fifteen
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Speaker 1 (42:34):
Bengals like ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati's sports.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Right here we go a couple of minutes late seven
after four ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm o Edgar, thank you
for joining us today. We are guest free until five
thirty three. There's a lot to discuss. We found this
out right around three fifteen three twenty today Adam Scheffer
of ESPN reporting Bengals have given Trey Hendrickson permission to

(43:00):
seek a trade bad and we're dealing with the college
basketball as well.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
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twenty twenty six, and sixty three and a half percent

(43:30):
of you said no, No, I would have agreed with
you yesterday, and I certainly agree with you now, just
quickly a few a few thoughts on this, and we'll see.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
We'll see how this unfolds. You know, I.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Am going to guess that Trey Hendrickson gets traded because
I this is a to the best of my recollection,
and you're welcome to correct me if I'm wrong. I
can't recall the Bengals doing this. We've seen them trade players,
of course, but we've watched the Bengals have a lot
of players request trades, like Trey Hendrickson last year, like

(44:15):
t Higgins last year, and the team doesn't do anything.
I cannot recall a situation like this where the Bengals
have said to a player, go see what's out there
and come back to us, and maybe there's a deal
we can make. Maybe it has happened. Maybe it's happened,
and it's involved a high profile player. And I can't

(44:37):
remember again, they've had players ask for trades, they've made trades.
I can't recall a situation where the Bengals have said
to somebody, yep, go ahead and see what's out there,
which tells me they're very open to doing this, and

(44:58):
so my guess is that's what they do.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
My guess is Trey Hendrickson gets traded. Now just look
at it this, look at look at this through this lens,
and I'm gonna make this a kind of a very
narrow lens, which is hard to do.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
With a situation like this.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
You could trade Trey Hendrickson and the first thing that
happens is you have sixteen million dollars to spend. You
clear his salary off the books for twenty twenty five.
There is a cap hit, but you basically say sixteen
million bucks. I recited earlier the list of available edge

(45:43):
rushers out there, and it's actually a pretty lengthy list
of guys who could be there for the taking. Joey
Bose's name got added to the mix yesterday, Khalil mac
Josh Sweat, Matthew Judah, Dante Fowler, Hassan Reddick, Malcolm Koons,

(46:03):
Baron Browning, Chase Young's still out there, Chase Young still
just twenty four years old or twenty five years old.
So a fair amount of players out there. Maybe the
Bengals are in the market for one of those guys,
and the player costs less than Trey Hendrickson, and he's
maybe not quite as good, but you're getting some pretty
good value there. Then you still have some extra money

(46:25):
to spend, and you could pay it to t Higgins,
but you're saving sixteen million dollars. I would like to
think the Bengals aren't trading Trey Hendrickson unless what they
get directly back from another team is really valuable. Now,

(46:49):
that doesn't have to mean a first round pick. I'm
guessing it won't mean a first round pick, but good
draft capital. So I'm getting picks. I'm freeing up some money,
and it might make them a little bit more willing
to finally get the deal done with Jamar Chase?

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
And I'll ask you at five point three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty, is is that a good deal? I'm I'm
I'm not gonna come up with these specific package the
Bengals would get back in return, because I'm frankly, I'm
one of the things I'm curious about is what the
market is going to be. But I get sixteen mil
to spend a pretty good list of edge rushers out

(47:40):
there at a draft capital, good class of defensive lineman,
and this might compel me to give T Higgins more
of what he wants. I think it's a fair question.
Like the nuclear scenario, I think is you traded away

(48:02):
you're one really good defensive player, and then you subsequently
couldn't get anything done with T.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Higgins.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Like, you want to talk about something, whether or not
this matters to you, we can discuss. You want to
talk about something that would make the Bengals a bit
of a laugh not a bit would make the Bengals
a laughing stock. They trade tray and with the money
they say, they still can't come to an agreement with T.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Higgins. Can you imagine that?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Now there's the other part of this, the pure football
part of this too, which is, and god knows, we've
gone down this road often since the season ended. The
Bengals defense was not very good last year. That goes
without saying. There are some players from last year's team
who will be a part of what Al Golden tries

(48:56):
to come up with to solve that problem. Certainly in
the secondary, a couple of young guys on the defensive line,
and Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson, Logan Wilson is back.
But you're asking Al Golden to fix this defense, and
you're you're immediately taking away you know, they're one really

(49:17):
good defensive player from a year ago. So what I
wonder is what's Al Golden had to say about this.
Surely he has an opinion of Trey hendrickson, uh and
and surely he has, you know, an opinion of what
might be out there in the draft at Trey's position
and elsewhere on the defense. Maybe Al Golden looks at

(49:41):
Miles Murphy as the type of player that he can
he can get something out of. I was gonna say,
get more out of, but we're just trying to get
something first. I don't know, but that's that's an important
component to this, right because one of the themes I've
touched on a bunch and a lot of us have

(50:02):
has been the Bengals recent track record of allowing good
players to get away and the guys they had in
place to replace them not working out, you know, I mean,
most notably recently Jesse Bates. And you could apply this
to Von Bell, and you could apply this this past
season to DJ Reader, you know, and even to a

(50:22):
small degree, I guess Tyler Boyd leaving, but definitely t
Higgins because they drafted Jermaine Burton, and so the Bengals
do have a little bit of a track record, and
again you can go all the way back to Andrew
Whitworth and it's a significant track record of good players
get away. Bengals have a plan to replace them and
the plan doesn't work out. This is maybe an entirely

(50:44):
different conversation involving Trey Hendrickson. If Miles Murphy by now
was an established player, he's not. I cannot imagine you
trade Trey Hendrickson if that's what they do, and you know,

(51:05):
not factor in what Miles Murphy can get them. This
is a guy who's gonna be under the microscope. Well, yeah,
there's they have. They have to go get edge rushers.
And again, there are a bunch of free agents out there,
and maybe they're involved with one or two of them,
and I would be stunned if they didn't draft one.
But they're you know, they did draft Miles Murphy in

(51:25):
the first round just two years ago for a reason,
and I would imagine that one of those reasons was
there's gonna be a point where we move on from
Trey Hendrickson and this guy is gonna be you know
what's next. This guy is gonna be thrust into a
larger role. So I think that's that's a big part

(51:45):
of it too. The other thing to ask is what
if they don't get a deal done, what if there's
just not a market out there now? Again, there are
gonna be a lot of teams who are interested in
Trey Hendon. I'm seeing on social media the Atlanta Falcons
are really really interested in this, and they should be.
Every team should be interested in Trey Hendrickson. But again,

(52:13):
it's the Bengals who have to pull the trigger on
the trade. I have wondered, and I asked this to
Tony and Austin earlier today. It's interesting we seem to
have we seem to have developed this belief that it's
like the worst thing in the world if you tell
a guy you're going to play under the one year

(52:37):
that's left on your contract. So I would imagine if
they don't trade Tray after allowing him to explore trade possibilities,
and he's with the Bengals in twenty twenty five, that
the next step isn't to give him a long term contract.

(52:58):
And I would imagine, look the draft is less than
two months away. Free agency starts next week. I would
have to think like any trade involving Trey Hendrickson is
going to unfold here soon, because you know, do you
if you're the Bengals, you want to know what you're
gonna have to spend in free agency, So that's sixteen

(53:19):
million dollars you could have to spend. You certainly want
the t Higgins done as soon as possible. Like, if
you're the Bengals, you want a very quick resolution to this.
I've got to think Trey Hendrickson does too. So but
what if the resolution is there's no deal out there,
the Bengals love and Trey comes back, then what because

(53:41):
we have treated this all along as if the worst
possible option is Trey Hendrickson plays for the Bengals this
year with no guarantee by on twenty twenty five, is
it a disruption?

Speaker 3 (53:57):
A distraction?

Speaker 6 (53:59):
Like?

Speaker 8 (53:59):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Look like? We said this.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
At the end of the season that this was going
to be the most interesting offseason ever and it's not
even Saint Patrick's day. The league year hasn't even started,
and already it's lived up to that billing. We have
a lot of folks waiting. I do got to get
a break in to get us on time, and then
it sure turned five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen

(54:24):
thirty and eight sixty six seven oh two three seven
seven six. We do not have to push the college
basketball way to the back seat, because I know specifically,
and we started the show by talking savior because the
new rule on this show is winners go first. But
I I there's UC fans are not in a good
place right now, and I'm certainly one of them. More

(54:48):
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Speaker 2 (55:30):
Part of this, and this is very obvious, but it's
it's worth mentioning. Train's gonna go seek a trade and
gonna be looking for a team that obviously has interest
in him playing for them this year, but also is
looking for a team willing to give him what he's
looking for, which.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
My many accounts is thirty million dollars a year.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
And so again, like, I'm genuinely curious here, and I'm
not going to pretend that I know what the answer
to this is, but I'm genuine curious what's the market
out there, the market out there for a player like
Trey and again, he's a terrific player, but a player
who's looking for an extension that's gonna pay him Max
Crosby money or something comparable, and a team that is

(56:16):
willing to do that and give the Bengals what they're
looking for. Again, like the Bengals should be looking for
a package that helps advance the goal of winning the
Super Bowl this season. We've talked a lot about the
window and you might say, well, yeah, I got Joe
Burrow for the next five years. I make it about
the next three. So yeah, there were sixteen million dollars

(56:38):
you could free up. Is just is that enough that
you would go? You know what, just give us something
in return. We'll find out. I guess, all right, your
turn five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. I
do appreciate everybody's patience. Ron and Milford. You're on ESPN
fifteen thirty. Good afternoon, Ron.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
How are you hey?

Speaker 6 (56:56):
Mo?

Speaker 5 (56:57):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 14 (56:59):
When you were gone on, I listened to the podcast
with Kelsey and Richard and they said the same thing
you said earlier, which is the Bengals have to get
two of these three situations figured out before free agency starts,
otherwise they don't know how much money they're going to
have to improve the team. Well, I don't think they're
going to get one thing figured out before uh, free
agency starts. I mean, it doesn't appear that they're going

(57:21):
to get the Chase situation straightened out. They're not getting
t Higgins situation straightened out. And I guess because Max
Crosby got paid so much money. That's why A coincidentally,
the next day, Trede's looking to, you know.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Find a trade. He's Crosby's about a little bit over.

Speaker 8 (57:37):
I looked it up.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
He's a little bit of three years and some months
younger than Trey, So I mean, I don't know if
that's what Tray's thinking, but like you said, he's got
to find someone to pay him too if he's wanting,
you know, that kind of money, and we got to
get something because we're not giving him away for free.
And uh, I think you know, if we are giving

(58:00):
them away at some point for compensation, we have to look,
like you said, some of these other guys out there.
But that's my thing. Aren't these teams, you know, instead
of paying him to thirty million, they can get Chase
Young and pay him maybe sixteen million. I mean, I
don't know what your thoughts are.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
No, I think that's what kind of complicates this. Right, Yes,
you would like Trey Hendrickson on your team, but would
you be happy paying somebody a little bit less that
you don't have to give up draft capital in order
to acquire? And I think that's what every general manager
who's potentially involved in this is going to have to
ask themselves. That's not to say there are that many

(58:36):
players who are better than Trey Hendrickson. You could argue
there are none. You could certainly. Excuse me argue there
are none who are as good. But it's all about value.
It's all about what you could fit within what you're
gonna pay. It's it's all about like, I could acquire Trey,
but then the gun's going to be his condition for
coming here is going to be he wants a long
term deal. We could I sign one of these guys

(58:57):
for a shorter term deal for less money and get
nearly as much in return and make up for the
gap between Trey and that player by drafting someone else
or signing a free agent somewhere who's kind of a
bargain basement type guy, and I don't have to give
up a lot of draft capital in order to get
any of that done. I think that's what a lot
of general managers are going to weigh, And I would

(59:18):
imagine there are going to be some who go, you
know what, Trey's a nice player, But I could still
accomplish what I need to accomplish on my defense and
not make that trade and instead dip into that free
agency pool and use the draft and not have to
give up any draft capital.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Yeah, and I don't know, am I wrong? But I
don't think they're going to get anything done before free
agency starts. We know how they operate. It's not very quick.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Well, I mean, all you read now is that they're
not close to getting a deal done with Jamar. The
sides are far apart there, that they've at least hit
a bit of a stalemate with t Higgins. And look,
you know, maybe they get a Trey Hendrickson d done
here quickly and that pushes them closer to what Tea

(01:00:05):
is looking for, and that gets done. But you're right,
like to me, the worst outcome is free agency officially
begins and you're still in limbo as it relates to
three very highly paid players, and now you've got to
cross certain players off your list or make on the

(01:00:26):
fly adjustments and maybe not do what you would like
to do because of the uncertainty regarding what you're going
to pay at least one of those players and then
maybe two of the others moving forward. What you know
about Trey is if he's on your team, what he's
going to cost this year. What you know about t
Higgins is if he's on your team under the franchise tag,
what he's going to cost this year. Heck, you know

(01:00:46):
the same thing about Jamar Chase to a large degree.
But sure, you want to know if you're looking at
signing guys to long term contracts, you want to know
what you have to spend. And as long as there's
this amount of uncertainty out there regarding these three players,
you can't speak with much certainty about what you have
to spend.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
No, and no, I'll leave you because I know you've
got other callers. But it was funny because I don't
know which one of the talking heads because there are
so many of them on Esken. But they said that
Mike Brown doesn't want to go to the super Bowl
again because that's just more money he has to spend
on hotel rooms and getting families there. So I mean,
let's face it, we know how cheap he is. It
sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah, Look, that criticism is not going to go away,
thank you. That criticism is not going to go away
while you have players of this statue are hanging in limbo,
and while there are so many high profile contract negotiations
going on. It's just it's not I don't believe. I
don't believe it's cheap. I believe it's stubbornness. I believe

(01:01:46):
it's I believe it's ineffective planning to a large degree.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I do wonder this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Had they done what they should have done last summer
and Gott in the long term ex tension done with
Jamar Chase. Are they are where they are now? I
mean part of it is moving forward again. Jamar's under
contract this year right now, all three players, the big
three are you know, t hasn't signed his, but they're

(01:02:16):
all three players that they're going to play NFL football
in twenty twenty five have to play for the Bengals.
That's inarguable, right, But Jamar made it easy for him
last offseason. Here's what I want. Pay me what I want,
Structure the contract the way I ask. If you don't
and I go out and do Jamar Chase things, it's

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going to cost more, and now it does, and that
has complicated a lot of things. I suspect it's four thirty.
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There's a room for you. Five one, three, seven, four nine,
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permission to go seek a trade. This obviously doesn't guarantee

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that he will be traded, but permission to seek a trade.
His tweet his story and Ben Baby wrote about this
as well for ESPN dot com includes a quote from
Trey Hendrickson who says, quote, it's been an honor and
a privilege to represent Cincinnati over the last four years.
He says, quote, I love this city and organization. I

(01:04:22):
appreciate the privilege of now being allowed to explore my
options on top of all this, and this is something
that I've neglected to mention. Diana Russini of The Athletic
reports that multiple teams have been contacting the Bengals about
the availability of t Higgins, and they have been told

(01:04:42):
that t is unavailable as they continue to pursue a
long term deal. She wrote for The Athletic, I think
it was yesterday. It might have been lost track of
my days, might have been Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
That if.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
With the objective being to get all three done, Jamar
long term, tea long term in Trey long term, that
Trey would be most likely the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Odd man out, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
No game for the rests today. They host the Giants
tomorrow at three to five. In goodyear, good start yesterday
for Hunter Green and an impressive performance for Chase Burns
or by Chase Burns in a Cactus League lost to
the Rangers yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
College trop tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
NKU is looking for a spot in the Horizon League
Semifinals at.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
That Dumpy Arena, Indie. Tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
They battled Cleveland in the quarterfinals of that tournament. Cleveland State,
I should say, the Vikings dated a girl from Cleveland
State in college. Wonder if she'll be at the game.

Speaker 7 (01:05:42):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
I do know the game is going to be on
ESPN fifteen thirty tonight pregame with Jim and Rick at
seven thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
By the way, Rick Boring was on the show yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
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You can hear that.

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Speaker 17 (01:06:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Thanks to those of you who have hung on five, one, three, seven,
four nine. Fifteen thirty is our phone number. Bob, You're
on ESPN fifteen thirty. Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
How are you?

Speaker 11 (01:06:20):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Mo?

Speaker 11 (01:06:20):
Doing good? How about you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I'm doing well, Bob? What's up?

Speaker 8 (01:06:24):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:06:25):
Can we talk TV for just a second month?

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Sure?

Speaker 13 (01:06:29):
All right?

Speaker 11 (01:06:30):
Are you familiar with a show bar rescue?

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
John Taffer?

Speaker 11 (01:06:34):
Yes, somehow I thought you might be his producers are
meeting with my son right now at Yllingers and Banaqua, Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Now that at phase value is good, but that means
his bar needs rescuing.

Speaker 11 (01:06:53):
You know what, mo, he really doesn't okay, which which
I think he's brilliant or taking advantage of this if
he can get a spot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, Now, is he okay that John Tafford comes in
and he fixes people's bars? But while he does this,
he yells and screams at them and calls them names.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Is your son gonna be okay with this?

Speaker 13 (01:07:14):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:07:15):
He's more than cool with it. Yeah. And here's the thing, though,
I haven't watched much over the last few years, but
I did see the new season. I think it started
on Sunday night, I believe. Yeah, and Taffer is actually
not doing all.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Of them now, Oh really, he's got other people.

Speaker 11 (01:07:36):
Yeah, he had another guy out I don't remember the name.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
But I kind of stopped watching that show like four
or five years ago because I, you know, like, but
I don't like to be yelled at. And if I'm
sitting down to just watch TV and relax, watching some
guy just scream at people that that that doesn't that
does that's not uh, that's not I don't that doesn't
mess with relaxing if that makes sense.

Speaker 11 (01:08:02):
Oh it does. Yeah, yeah, now he I'll I'll let
you know how the talk goes today. In fact, he's
meeting one of them as we speak, so he'll he'll
probably give me a call later.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
I can't wait to find out how it went.

Speaker 11 (01:08:22):
Yeah, and also tell me this, A buddy of mine
was mentioning to me that is ESPN totally out of
the baseball business now as far as doing games.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Uh well, so, Major League Baseball and ESPN are their
agreement dissolved. Baseball got out of it effective next year,
so it ran through twenty twenty eight, and they got
out of the last three years. Baseball will be on

(01:08:54):
ESPN this year. In fact, they've carried a bunch of
Cactus League games and Great Fruit League games, and they're
going to carry Sunday Night Baseball and an Opening Day package,
and they'll have the Wildcard Round after twenty twenty five,
though Baseball's national TV rights at least the home Run Derby,
the weekly package which is Sunday Night Baseball, which I

(01:09:14):
think they should reinvent, the Wildcard Round that could go anywhere.
I've read that NBC is interested, a lot of streaming
services are interested. But right now Baseball and ESPN and
then and both sides reserve the right to negotiate with
the other for a new deal. But as of right now,
Baseball on ESPN will be a thing of the past
at the end of this coming season.

Speaker 11 (01:09:36):
Gotcha?

Speaker 13 (01:09:37):
Okay?

Speaker 11 (01:09:38):
And finally, Mo and as far as TV, I, like
all your other guests so far, today, was sorely disappointed
with last night's effort for UC just you know, I mean,
I think everyone is kind of caught on that there
needs to be a major overhaul, and I know that

(01:10:00):
that won't include the coach, nor do I think it
necessarily needs to be. But you've got a real problem
when the coach is the guy on the bench that
seems to care more about everything than any of the players.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
It's fair, yeah, I mean, it's I said this at
the top of the show. What I saw last night
was not surprising because I've seen it all year long.
And while at the end of the day, those players,
they're the coaches players. He brought each one of them here,
He recruited them, maybe in some cases lobbied to get

(01:10:38):
money to them. At the same time, watching them individually
is sorely disappointing to me because I just there is
a level of competition that I expect from U SEE
basketball players that I think players themselves are responsible for,
and no UC player on the floor last night came

(01:11:00):
even close to rising to that level.

Speaker 11 (01:11:03):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Hey, well, thanks again, nice
talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
I can't wait to hear about John Taffer and your son.
Thank you, Bob. I appreciate the phone call. Somebody said
to me today about UC basketball. They're you know, they're
not that far away, and they're not. They're not that
far away from being an NCAA tournament team.

Speaker 17 (01:11:28):
They're not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
I mean, they went into last night some bracket geeks
had them as among the last four out. That's probably
not so much the case today. But they took the
Flora last night. I thought we would see an effort
reflective of this. But they took the Flora last night
at least with a chance might have been a small chance,

(01:11:50):
but a chance of getting an at large bid to
the tournament. Kansas State did not take the floor. Butler
last night in Indianapolis. Again, Xavier to take the floor
in that position. So yeah, they're close. But you know,
it's interesting to me when you see last appeared in
the NCAA Tournament, which was twenty nineteen, Mick Cronin's last season.

(01:12:13):
They lose to Iowa, and so many of us, and
I mean us like I'm among them, so many of
us just kind of threw our hands in the air
and exasperation with the inability to get to the second
round of the tournament. And remember when Mick left, And
as much as we all deeply appreciated all the good

(01:12:35):
hard work that Mick did, and as much as most
of us wished him nothing but the best at UCLA,
and as much as I root for him every time
his team takes the floor, and as much as I
think he's a really good basketball coach, there was this
real sense of, all right, it might be best to
have a new voice and prioritize getting to the second

(01:12:58):
week end of the tournament. Year.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
But prioritize it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
And if you remember when John Brannon got hired, that
was the big thing, right, The incentives in his contract
were going to be about winning two games in the
NCAA Tournament. This program, Yes, they go to the NCAA's
every year. Yes they compete for and win conference regular
season championships, Yes they compete for and win conference tournament titles.
But what matters most is the Sweet sixteen. Get to

(01:13:25):
the second weekend and maybe just maybe get to the
final four for the first time in over three decades.
That was the conversation. So that's where the bar was
when there was a coaching change in April of twenty nineteen,
second weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
In fact, there were a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Us, myself among them again who said, look, yes, I'm
going to get to the sweet sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Yes, the early round exits are tiresome.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yes, the Nevada debacle, dibacle, debacle hovered over everything that
went down in last season. But don't take for granted
what it's like to get to the tournament every single year.
Don't take that for granted. Yet the bar still was,
The standard still was every time a coaching candidate got

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brought up. John Brandon was asked about it when he
got introduced, can you get to the second weekend? So
for me all along, that's been the goal to have
a program where you're not guaranteed to get to the
second weekend every year, that's really hard to do. But

(01:14:35):
most years you think, all right, this is a team
that's good enough to get to the Sweet sixteen, and
this is a team that's good enough to compete for
conference championships.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Along with that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Now you might go, well, what I mang on, mo,
it's the Big Twelve. I think we've all built in
a little bit of a grace period for the Big Twelve.
Nobody this year, Nobody this season went into the season
thinking or talking about how they could they could challenge
for a Big Twelve title. It was have a tournament team,
finish in the middle of the pack. But obviously the

(01:15:11):
goal should be, like you could say, with the Big
twelve's tougher. But you only join that conference. You don't
join it just for the lucrative TV money. You joined
it because we're gonna compete.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
And so much of what's happened with conference realignment, I
think it makes no sense because like Rutgers is never
gonna win the Big Ten ever ever, never gonna win
the Big Ten in football. Don't think they're gonna win
the Big Ten in basketball either, So like, yeah, you
get your TV money, it's cool, but your alum's gonna
be happy, Your fan's gonna be happy. You're gonna be
able to recruit players who have no chance of winning

(01:15:46):
a conference title if you're gonna join a conference or
joining it to legitimately compete in it. So yeah, man,
you could say, well, you know, they're not that far away,
and I do agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
I don't think they're that far away at all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
If the goal is to every year have an eleven
next to your name when the NCAA tournament bracket comes out.
And Tony was talking about this on SINCY three sixty today.
The aftermath of the Houston game, there was a lot
of this out there.

Speaker 15 (01:16:21):
Well, they played hard, we think about it right now,
this is UC basketball. You got folks clutching to the
idea that they at least played hard in a game
against the team that's won the conference championship. So when

(01:16:42):
I hear, hey, they're not that far away, my response
is a question how far away from what? Because if
the standard right now is just have a team that
can get to the tournament, okay, that's fine. If you
barely miss that goal, you're on the outside looking in.

(01:17:03):
And at least if you barely missed the goal, of
making the Sweet sixteen, You've made the tournament. If you
barely missed the goal of winning a conference championship, chances
are you're still in the NCAA Tournament, maybe with a
very high seed. So we talk about like how far
away they are, how close they are. The measuring stick
isn't team sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
It's not the eighth place team in the ACC, or
the seventh place team in the Big East, or the
eighth place team in the Big Ten, or even the
eighth place team in the Big Twelve. It's it's the
upper crost of the sport. It's the teams that are

(01:17:43):
near the top or at the top of the Big
twelve standings. It is Houston, it is Texas Tech, it
is Arizona not having a great year this year, but.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
It is Kansas. And it's the teams that when they
do draw up the bracket, you look at and know
they can win two and the ones that do win too,
and frankly, it feels like they're they're not even close
to that right now. That's the standard it was six
years ago. And what I hate about six years of

(01:18:14):
not making the tournament, and obviously two of those seasons
Wes Miller wasn't here for. And we've I think all
of us have built in like all right, the transition
from one coach to another to another, and all of
that occurring within a two year stretch, that makes things difficult.
And we're all getting used to the new rules with
nil and the portal and well, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
There is the Big Twelve. Like we've done this, We've
been fair about this. The problem with not making it
this year is we're gonna go into next year and
the goal is going to be what we hope they
couldn't get to this year, which is to barely get
into the tournament, barely sneak in, and maybe they do
better and maybe they do win two games in the

(01:18:56):
tournament next year. But when you hear or when you
hear someone or when you say, yeah, they're close close
to what close to what? Close to the teams that,
as we think about the greatest event in sports for

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my money, can win multiple games, play to the second
weekend the teams that compete for Big Twelve titles held
the teams that next week you give a puncher's chance
to win the Big Twelve Championship tournament championship, and I
think that's what frustrates me the most. We've gone from

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not being happy with a coach who got to the
tournament every single year and, by the way, was the
only thing he didn't do, like everything else was good,
to now we're just we're just we're just simply hoping
maybe maybe they can sneak in, maybe they can be
team number sixty eight, Maybe maybe they can jump that
imaginary line between last four out or a last four in.

(01:20:05):
And for years I never even looked at who the
last four out and last four in were.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
So they're not. You're right, they're not that far away
from that. They're not.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
But I'm going to be not that far away from
something else. And as much as I hate to say,
it feels like they're a very far away from that.
Our buddy Robert Wintraub predicted this Trey Hendrickson thing on
this show. He joins us at five point twenty on
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Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Right, what's up? It's five oh five ESPN fifteen thirty.
Im Oeger, thank you for listening. Hopefully you're having a
an awesome Thursday afternoon. We have been busy today, as
has been the theme in the last couple of days,
a lot of fluid stuff. Trent Hendrickson has been given

(01:21:39):
permission by the Bengals to go seek a trade, so
we'll see free agency looms, the draft not too far
behind it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
The t Higgins thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Diana Russini of The Athletic reporting that multiple teams have
inquired about t Higgins available via trade and the Bengals
have said no, he's not available. So if you're telling
Trey Hendrickson go find a trade, and you're telling other
teams that t Higgins is not available. Then I'm left
to assume that they basically made this an either or thing,

(01:22:18):
and a lot of us did basically made this an
even or a thing. I don't think they had to
make it an even or thing, but it tells me
they've made it an either or thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
T or Trey.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
They use what they have at their disposal to keep
t in the fold and keep him from getting the
free agency. Trey is under contract for this year, so
either or means we're gonna do with t maybe not
to the dollar what he wants, but we're gonna We're
gonna pay him, and we're not gonna pay Trey, and

(01:22:54):
we're not gonna let him get to free agency. This
is all I want to know that at the end
of this off season, which already feels like it's dragged
on for months, Let's be honest, right, we started talking
about the twenty twenty five season well before the twenty
twenty four to one was over, and because we've been
talking about Jamar Chase's contract, and because we've been talking

(01:23:14):
about Trey Hendrickson's contract, and because we've been talking about
T higgins contract for such a long time. The T
Higgins thing has dragged on now for three years. The
Jamar Chase thing started last year at this time, Trey
Hendrickson to a degree as well. Because of all that,
it's March sixth. It feels like this offseason has lasted

(01:23:36):
three off seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
All I want to know at the end of.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
This offseason is can the Bengals win the Super Bowl
in twenty twenty five. Now, I know for many of
you the answer is going to be yes, because Joe
Burrows on the team, And that may be fair. Look,
the Bengals didn't have a good roster last year and
Joe still dragged them to within a game of the postseason.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
But that's all I want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
And then, of course, with every individual move, does this
push the Bengals further away from winning the Super Bowl
this year or closer to it? You might go, MO,
that's a very short sighted way of looking at things. Look, man,
the clock is ticking. Joe Burrow is going into year six.

(01:24:25):
He plays a position where there's a lot of other
dudes who are very good as good in some cases
maybe considered to be better and the clock is ticking
for them too.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
The idea is to win super Bowls plural.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
While Joe is in his prime, He's not getting old
by any stretch, but he's not a rookie either, not
to be twenty nine years old. Five quarterbacks in the
history of the NFL have won Super Bowls after their
first Super Bowl after their eighth NFL season. So like,

(01:25:05):
I kind of make this about the here and now.
So what I want to know with every decision they
make free agency, their own players, trades, draft is does
this make them more likely or less likely to win

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the championship this season?

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
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dot com. So I think it's I think the bank
those are going to trade. Trey Hendrickson. There's there's my guess.
I'm not exactly going on in the limb right the
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Moeger that's what I want to know. Now you might go, okay, moh,
we got to find out who they're getting back and
we do or what they're getting back, and find out
what they're gonna do with the sixteen million dollars they're
gonna save.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Now consider this like we can.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
We can be excited that Joe Burrow is on the
team and be excited that Jamar Chase is going to
be a Bengal this year. Hopefully they get the extension done,
and the same with with t Higgins. But the team's
fortunes last year were sunk by a terrible defense. Can

(01:26:54):
you make the defense significantly better this all season without
its best player from last year.

Speaker 7 (01:27:08):
Part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Answer is, look, they don't need any eleite defense. They
need something middle of the pack. And I agree with that,
And I also do think there's some young players on
this defense that are that are not worth giving up on,
or I should say worth not giving up on. I'm
being semantically responsible. You might go, well, free agency in

(01:27:32):
the draft and maybe trading Trey Hendrickson gives them more
cracks at it in the draft and frees up a
little bit more money for Duke Tobin to spread around
the defense. And that's certainly the case. I'm the guy,
and I'm not the only one, but I'm a person
who has spent the last couple of weeks expressing a

(01:27:54):
belief that they can get to the Super Bowl next
year and keep Trey Tea and Jamal on the team
this year. Jamorrow obviously has already been under contract for
this season, and you could keep those guys here and
you could maybe even pay him long term, and you
could still get a lot done. You can get a
lot done with the money you save from guys you've cut,
like Alex Kappa and Sheldon Rankins, and the draft picks

(01:28:17):
you have, and the list of free agents who are available, which,
by the way, there's a lot of pass rushers out there.
So here's where Duke Tobin comes into the frame. The
Bengals are where they are in large part because Duke
Tobin and his staff have done a bad job of

(01:28:41):
building the roster the last couple of years. The poor
performance of the defense last season. While lou Anarumo may
have been the fall guy. Was mainly a byproduct of
the players they chose, the players they chose in the draft,
the players they chosen free agency, the players.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
They chose to let walk.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
We've discussed for weeks on end about how Joe Burrow
has made his public declarations about wanting t Higgins to
stay here, in large part because the team has such
a bad recent track record of not successfully executing the
plan to replace a good player when they leave.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
That's gonna have to change. That's gonna have to change.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
The onness is on Duke Tobin, even if Trey Hendrickson's
here right, The onness is on Duke Tobin to have
a draft this year where the guys they take at
least in the first two days can make an immediate
impact this season. And he's got to do it a
good enough job in free agency that the players they
acquire can be a part of the turnaround this season.
He's also going to make the right decisions on the

(01:29:53):
offensive line. They've got to fortify the running back room.
We'll see what happens with tight end. They might need
to go get one in free agency, depending on what
happens with Mikeasicki now you could argue Duke Tobin's job
in terms of free agency and the draft could be
a little bit easier if there's more draft capital to spend,

(01:30:13):
and if there's more money to spend because you're saving
the coin. You'd be paying Trey Hendrickson very fair. But look, man,
they are. If this trade happens, you're trading away a
defensive Player of the Year finalist. You're removing him from
your team this season. The Bengals pass rush last year

(01:30:34):
without Trey Hendrickson was nonexistent. Forget the financial part of this.
Just from a football perspective, you're taking your one really
good player. You're removing him from the equation. You're still
having to overhaul so many other areas of the defense,
and you've got to do it in time to win now,

(01:30:54):
to win while you have Joe Burrow, to win, while
you have your quarterback in that absolute window of his prime.
When they extended Joe Burrow, it was out of great
appreciation for what he has done, but it was also
with the understanding, we're paying you this because we can

(01:31:15):
win a title with you, not even at the end
of the contract now. So I don't know what the
market for Trey Hendrickson is going to be There are
a lot of edge rushers out there. I wonder how
many teams a really want to extend Trey Hendrickson. I
wonder how many teams be would take one of those

(01:31:38):
other edge rushers who don't cost nearly as much but
you wouldn't have to trade for. I wonder what the
highest bidder is willing to give the Bengals. But more
than anything, I want to know, if you take Trey
Hendrickson out of the equation and he's not playing on
your team in twenty twenty five, what do you got

(01:32:00):
that can push the Bengals closer to winning a title
this season?

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
That's the question at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Is as complex as this is, as many opinions are
out there, as many different things that can happen or
should happen. For as much as we could dive into
the complexities of the salary cap and do advanced calculus,
That's what I want to know every individual move this

(01:32:28):
season twenty twenty five. I'm very much about the here
and now this one year. I'm frankly not that interested
in what the Bengals are in twenty twenty seven or
twenty twenty eight. Does it put them in a better
position to win? Now, the majority of you on Twitter
right now think you can win the Super Bowl without

(01:32:48):
Trey Hendrickson, and I certainly believe that you could lead
me down a path where at the end of the
offseason you look at what they've done, you understand who
the quarterback is, and you go, you know what this
team can win. But you know, again, you're taking away
a really good player, away from a team that went
nine to eight. You've got a lot of work to

(01:33:08):
do this offseason, and maybe you've made that work a
little bit easier by you got a little bit more
money to spend, maybe an extra draft choice or two.
But that's what I want to know. Without your best
defensive player by far last year, how can you put
this team in a better position to win the championship?

(01:33:30):
That's Duke Tobin's job. I'll be honest with you, I'm
not sure he's up to it. Robert Weintraub, Cincinnati Magazine
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Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Oegger. Thank you for joining us today.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
You know, during the football season we chat on Thursdays
at five twenty with our friend Robert Weintraub of Cincinnati
Magazine dot com, FTN Fantasy and other outlets. And you know,
as we've been doing the show this afternoon, talking mostly
about Trey Hendrickson in the fact that Bengals have given
him permission to go find a trade. I look there

(01:34:51):
on Twitter, which is what I still call it, and
Robert Weintraub taking a bit of a victory lap. Hey,
I told mo this was going to happen. So here
we we are. So I shot back at him and said, well,
let's do this on the air. So here he is.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
How's it going?

Speaker 17 (01:35:07):
When you call me in March bad things, it means
usually for the Bengals, And.

Speaker 7 (01:35:12):
Here we are.

Speaker 17 (01:35:13):
But you know, again, like I, as you point out,
I posted on Twitter, which I still call it as well.

Speaker 7 (01:35:19):
I don't think anybody will ever recall it. X.

Speaker 17 (01:35:22):
Yeah, you could see this one coming, you know, during
the season really, which is when we spoke about it,
and right at the end, certainly when we were already making.

Speaker 7 (01:35:30):
Our twenty twenty five what of the Bengals look like?

Speaker 17 (01:35:33):
Discussions happen, and you know, we sort of knew a
few facts, one of which was they were already in
the business probably of trying to page the mark and
t both that they only had six draft picks, that
they needed a lot of help, especially on defense, and
that their main trade asset was Trey Hendrickson, and also

(01:35:53):
that he was going to command a lot of money,
and that he was turning thirty years old, and that's
at a point where the Bengals don't necessarily like to
pay their players big money, and he was going to
want more than they most likely were going to want
to give them.

Speaker 7 (01:36:06):
I find it fascinating that we were.

Speaker 17 (01:36:09):
At this point last year, you remember, and Trade demanded
a trade.

Speaker 7 (01:36:13):
This year it's I seek permission and the Bengals granted it.

Speaker 17 (01:36:17):
You know, the verbiage is always so fascinating when it
comes out from the schefters and the pealisaros via the agents.
So I think we should keep that in mind first
and foremost. Just because that he's seeking permission for a
trade does not mean that a trade has happened.

Speaker 7 (01:36:31):
It doesn't mean that trade will necessarily happen.

Speaker 17 (01:36:34):
I think Hendrickson may go out there and one or
two things may happen. A he may discover that nobody
is going to pay him in the vicinity of what
Max Crosby just got resigned for over thirty million dollars
a year, that they're just not getting as productive as
Hendrickson has been. He's just not going to see that
kind of money given to a player of his age.

(01:36:55):
That's just the reality of the NFL. And you know,
the the trade return may not really be in anywhere
any way, shape or form to what the Bengals would want.
Trade is under contract still for next year. I mean,
he can hold out, he can go into the corner.

Speaker 7 (01:37:14):
And hold his breath. He can do a lot of things.

Speaker 17 (01:37:15):
But you know, he is a Bengal technically under contract
for next year, and we'll see what that how that
plays out, I would say it's still the more likely aspect,
as we've said all along, that he does get traded
and the Bengals increase their their draft equity with the trade.
And it's a good time to do it because there's
a lot of defensive ends and a lot of defensive

(01:37:36):
linemen out there, and you just have to I hate
to drown on like this, sorry, but I'm just thinking
about these things. And you know it's it's a reactionary response.
That's what the Bengals are.

Speaker 7 (01:37:48):
You know, he calls him cheap and short.

Speaker 17 (01:37:51):
Sighted and slow, and you know, all those things are
true to an extent, but really what they are is reactionary. Right,
they make the trade up for Kajana Carter and that
blows up in their never trade up in the draft again?
Who they signed Antonio'bryant and he got hurt and he
never played, and they sat out a decade of free agency, right,
and then they paid Gino Atkins and Carlos Dunlap right

(01:38:12):
around age thirty to big dollars relatively speaking, and didn't
get much back in.

Speaker 7 (01:38:18):
Return, and they're just you know, I mean, it's again.

Speaker 17 (01:38:22):
You hate to bring it all back to Bill Belichick,
but here it is again. Same with DJ Reader a
year ago. You don't pay for past performance. You let
him go a year too early.

Speaker 7 (01:38:30):
Better that than a year too late.

Speaker 17 (01:38:32):
It's already really been an outlier kind of situation with Trey.

Speaker 7 (01:38:36):
I mean, I don't think anybody expected this kind of
high quality four years on from his.

Speaker 17 (01:38:42):
Original signing, and it's been just incredible what he's given
the Bengals, far out performing his contract.

Speaker 7 (01:38:48):
And that's, of course the way the Bengals like it.

Speaker 13 (01:38:50):
They've got such a huge bargain out of him.

Speaker 17 (01:38:52):
And now would it behoove them to pay extra for
his declining years?

Speaker 7 (01:38:59):
Look at in that ass Probably not. So you understand
where they're coming from as well, Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
I guess at the end of the day, what I
wonder is, we've we've almost we've almost made the conversation
about how it's the worst thing in the world to
ask a player to play with one year left under
his contract and for a franchise that I think if
the offseason has executed successfully, I believe can be in

(01:39:24):
a position to win the whole thing. And with that
being the objective here with Joe Burrow twenty nine years old,
is is it that bad to ask Trey Hendrickson to
do exactly that and go have a big year and
if you want to do a hold in, you want
to do all that stuff, which I acknowledge is is
not ideal, but we would all expect him to show

(01:39:47):
up week one, go have a great year, help us win,
and then either we'll revisit this or you'll hit free
agency and maybe have a championship ring on your finger,
Like why can't they do that?

Speaker 7 (01:39:58):
Yeah, I think he's sort of behind the scenes.

Speaker 17 (01:40:01):
They may have had a little bit of those discussions,
and I think, you know that's certainly, but the Bengals
would have preferred obviously. And I think if Hendrickson hadn't
been so, you know, incredibly good last year, if he
hadn't led the league in sacks, like if you had
just finished like fifth, you know, this wouldn't be a discussion,

(01:40:21):
like you had a few extras.

Speaker 7 (01:40:23):
This a thrown on and he can like point to it.
It's it's a counting thing.

Speaker 11 (01:40:26):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:40:26):
It's like, yeah, it's so many.

Speaker 17 (01:40:29):
It's one of the few defensive positions where you can
really look at. It's like the guys who get you know,
super Bowl MVP for returning having a couple of pick
sixes in the Super Bowl, right, and then they cash
in with that huge contract even though they're not that great.
But it's like, hey, I had to pick six in
the Zuper Bowl, I must be awesome. Same the year
he's like he led the league in sex, he must
be awesome. Well, yeah, he's awesome, but you know he's

(01:40:50):
not thirty million dollars a year awesome. Maybe not at
this stage of his career. And uh yeah, I mean
we have gotten to the point where it seems like
a slap in the face to the player. God forbid
they fulfill their contract, and certainly the Bengals history is
asking the players to do just that for the most part,
fill out your contract, play to the end, earn every

(01:41:11):
dollar that we've agreed to, and then you know, we'll
take it from there. I think you know it makes
what makes it hard is because they see other teams
and especially you know, Philadelphia just splashing money around like
they're just you know, in the in the champagne room,
and you know they wonder to themselves, why can't the
Bengals least just one time, just take care of a

(01:41:32):
guy early or spend a little bit extra. The month
of the league is in such an incredible place that
it's hard for us to say that overpaying.

Speaker 7 (01:41:41):
A little bit for a guy.

Speaker 17 (01:41:43):
Yeah, all right, maybe you can add a little bit
extra to that last year of the contract and maybe
both sides.

Speaker 7 (01:41:48):
Come out looking.

Speaker 17 (01:41:49):
You know, every contract negotiation doesn't have to be or
one side gets pulled into a fiery pit of death.

Speaker 7 (01:41:55):
You know that both sides can come out smiling at
the end of it. It's okay.

Speaker 17 (01:42:00):
I think that's where the problem lies for most fans
is that they see that in the Bengals, even with
Jamar right now and Tea, it's like, we know it's
going to happen, and it seems like they just are
knuckle dragging and making everything a little bit of it
so difficult for reasons that most of the fans really
can't understand why.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
I acknowledge that this is maybe not the easiest question
to answer, but I've got like a minute, heure, what
is fair return on a trade involving Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 17 (01:42:31):
Well, you'd like to It kind of depends on the team. Obviously,
you'd think, you know, late first, second rounder, late first
might be a bit optimistic. But it seemed like, let's
say Detroit, you know, they're thinking themselves, what cost us
last year was past rush? After Aiden Hutchinson then went down,
Let's get ourselves a really damn the guy across from them,

(01:42:51):
so we're covered in case somebody does get hurt. They pick,
you know, whatever it is, twenty seven to twenty eight,
something like that.

Speaker 7 (01:42:57):
It's virtually a second rounder.

Speaker 17 (01:42:59):
Anyway, when you get to that point, you're kind of
splinting hairs with it. Except for that fifty year option,
it's really basically the same pool of players. So I
can see something like that happening. If they wanted to
go that route, they could get maybe a late first round.
They're most likely to get a second, and maybe you know,
toss in another Day three pick just to just to
make it a little bit of an extra cherry, you know.

(01:43:22):
But again, the problem is going to come at the
other end. It's going to be what team is willing
to really write that huge check for Hendrickson and how
much is he willing to band. What we don't know
is where the contract. You know, where's the middle ground
between Hendrickson and the Bengals?

Speaker 7 (01:43:38):
You know, is it?

Speaker 17 (01:43:39):
Are the Bengals locked in and saying you gotta you know,
take it.

Speaker 7 (01:43:42):
Or leave it with this? You know, one year mini
bump that.

Speaker 17 (01:43:45):
We're offering on top of next year and that's it.
Or you know, can they find a bit of an hour,
maybe they go two years, twenty five or twenty four
million per year and.

Speaker 7 (01:43:54):
Everybody walks away happy. That would be nice.

Speaker 17 (01:43:56):
That would alleviate everybody's feelings and you know, we can
go back to enjoying Trey Hendrickson being the only quality
defensive player on the defensive set of ball for Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Awesome to hear your voice in March and maybe we'll talk.

Speaker 17 (01:44:10):
So I'm the four seasons, twelve months of year, Candida guest.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
You are and very last minute, very last minute.

Speaker 7 (01:44:18):
And I'm always standing by with the batphone ready.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
Yes we're on the erend. You're just you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
You have a thirst to talk to me, just shoot
a tweet out. We'll call you no matter what we're
talking about.

Speaker 17 (01:44:28):
My thirst for talking to you is hardly ever sleepd
but I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:44:31):
Thank much.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
You're the best.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
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Pretty disappointing performance for one loss at Philadelphia. They read
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Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Am I accurate? Are you? Is that true? Do you
live here?

Speaker 11 (01:46:51):
I do in fact live here.

Speaker 18 (01:46:53):
I live in Loveland with my fiance and our dog,
and I actually met her after a Cincinnati and Seattle
game at TQ well two years ago out at Igby's
after the game, and I was living in Chicago at
the time, and I ended up moving here and we're
getting married in down Thompsincinnati in November.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
Very cool. That's that's all. You like living here?

Speaker 8 (01:47:13):
I do?

Speaker 13 (01:47:13):
I do.

Speaker 18 (01:47:13):
It's definitely different than Chicago. And you know, I'm from
Jersey originally, so my so my standards from pizza, bagels
and other food are pretty high. But uh, but you know,
Skylon Chilly will do. You know, it's it's not a
good substitute, but it is a substitute at the bare minimum,
at least some m culinary's.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
But I'll work on that. I will convince you it's
the greatest food on Earth. Uh, Stepsis, Cincinnati did not
play like the greatest team on Earth on Saturday. I
know you are bullish on this squad because you picked
them to finish second in the Eastern Conference. We'll talk
about this Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
First. What did you make of their performance against Philly?

Speaker 18 (01:47:49):
Yeah, I mean, it was just one of those games
where it's just you know, burn the tape and and
and just move on, right.

Speaker 8 (01:47:54):
I mean, they as you said.

Speaker 18 (01:47:55):
They're they're enduring in this sort of crazy start to
the season with cocka cap, Champian's Cup, very little time
to train at the beginning of the year, while other
teams like Toronto are you know, just playing one game
every Saturday, and Cincinnati simply is in play recover, play,
recover mode. Bad performance. You know, they rotated a little
bit as far as pieces are concerned in the middle
of the field to Nono got the Startkubo started again

(01:48:18):
with Luca Roshana working his way back from not only
some injuries but also some contract negotiation stuff. But just
a game that I think Cincinnati want to forget about,
but had a very good bounce back performance against one
of the best teams in Mexico and one of the
best teams in North America in Tigrets on Tuesday, despite
coming away with a one to one draw.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
They had such a weird offseason and weird preseason, and
yet some of the things that went down toward the
end of it. We talked a lot about the acquisition
of Evander. The expectations haven't changed. I mentioned you're bullish
on this team. What's the main reason why.

Speaker 18 (01:48:52):
The main reason why is Pat Noonan as well as
keeping the majority of the core together. Now they've had
significant losses as well as additions basically on every single
line of the defense of the of the field, whether
it the defense, midfield, and then of course up top
with with DENTK. But this team, you know, you're not

(01:49:14):
going to get much better of a like for like
replacement with Luchu Akasa with a vanderd Now they operate
in very different ways, but as far as impact in
the overall game, I think that that that was the
best that you could do with the market that was
given within the league and this new cast for Players initiative,
and then DENTK. You know, we're we're seeing just exactly
how good he is, and I think he's only going
to get better. And then you look at some of

(01:49:35):
the you know, guys who are going to be coming
back from injury, like a Matt Miaska hopefully going to
get him back in the next few months. And then
adding this young kid from Paraguay Flores. He's he's been really,
really solid and I thought he did really well for
just being twenty one years old and only playing in
his fifth game in this continent. I thought he was
excellent against Segres, who sports some really good attacking talent.
So the Cincinnati group, you know, they're their battle test

(01:49:57):
that I think that the mentality is really good too.
And talking with Pat noon At ahead of the game
on Saturday earlier today, you know, he just basically said,
like the mentality and the overall you know, fortitude of
this group is probably a little bit stronger than he's
had in years past because they understand that despite the
fact that the relationships on the field and the understanding
and the synergy between everyone is not going to be
perfect right now, that they're still capable of grinding out results.

(01:50:20):
Really outside of the Philly game, you know, you can't
really ask for much better at a start, and hopefully
they can pull off some magic not only Saturday night
with having to you know, rotate some players and get
some guys minutes, but also heading down to Mexico next
Tuesday and Concycap Champions Cup and needing to at least
score a goal in order to advance into the quarterfinals.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
You talk about Toronto here for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
If you look at the bottom half of the Eastern
Conference table the last couple of years, Toronto has been
a fixture.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Are they any better this.

Speaker 11 (01:50:52):
Year remains to be seen.

Speaker 18 (01:50:55):
And I think, you know, I think I had them
pretty close to the bottom if I'm not mistaken in
my season predictions as well. But they're in an interesting spot.
I mean, they have two of the best players in
the league, and Lorenzo and Senior and Federico Bernabeski, but
one of them in Lorenzo and Sienie, has sort of
been IPEd out from the team. I mean, he's healthy,
and he's been a healthy scratch from the roster for
the past two games. He didn't travel to Orlando, he

(01:51:17):
didn't play in the opener, and the team is bleeding
goals left and right. From an attacking standpoint, you know,
they've scored four goals in the first two games. But
Robin Fraser is an experienced coach. I do think he's
a good coach. But I also think that from a
locker room standpoint in Toronto right now, they got a
lot to sort out. And that's nothing new. I mean
It was a great article in The Athletic a couple

(01:51:38):
of years ago about just sort of what was going
down under Bob Bradley in the locker room, whether it
be guys vaping in the locker room after games and
just sort of doing something that professional soccer players should
not be doing. But this team is talented and I
think Cincinnati will be wary of them, and Pat nan
and said as much. And you know they're not desperate
in the third game of the season, but there's certainly

(01:52:00):
going to be looking to pick one off of against
the Cincinnati team who's coming off of an emotional and
you know, physically taxing game against Siegris on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Should be a fun atmosphere on Saturday night always is
on the West end of Cincinnati. Well, guess way late,
Welcome to Cincinnati. Hope you enjoy it, Hope you have
a good call on Saturday, and hope you can join
us throughout the course of the season.

Speaker 7 (01:52:19):
Thanks so much, Thank you appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
I'm exactly going out on a limb there, uh eleven
away from six. This is ESPN fifteen thirty tomorrow on
the show. I'm not going to be here now now
before you start in on me, I'm not off tomorrow.
I'm working at night for Lance. Lance is going to
be off flame Lance, so Chad Brenda will do this show.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
I will do.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Lance's show, and you can listen to that one, which
you should anyway, even when I'm not filling in. You
should just listen to Lance, but you should also listen
to Chad, and before Chad, since he three sixty tomorrow
on our show Downlo Hall, Kelsey Conway is going to
join us, you see tight end. Joe Royer is going
to join us rescheduled from today. N k hy bracket

(01:54:09):
guy is going to join us, and so much more,
one or two other things perhaps as well, maybe Michael
join us. Mike, Well, okay, you sound like your Dauber's
down a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:54:25):
Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 11 (01:54:27):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Well, you want to talk about it, you want what's
going on? Talk to me.

Speaker 13 (01:54:32):
Nobody wants to hear about that corrupt.

Speaker 11 (01:54:34):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
Know what's going on. Tell me, Tell me how you're doing.

Speaker 13 (01:54:40):
I got a new treatment. It's making me sick as hell,
and story have no choice, I understand. But anyway, there's
a guy for thanks for taking a call.

Speaker 11 (01:54:55):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (01:54:55):
There's a guy played for Tampa Bay this season. I
don't know if you've heard about the Tampa Bay Rays
his name is Curtis Mead or mean one of the
other mean.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
Or Curtis meat Yes, from Australia teen.

Speaker 13 (01:55:11):
For eighteen in seven seventy eight, leaving me Major Wids.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
If he had seven seventy eight during the regular season,
that would establish a new modern American League record.

Speaker 13 (01:55:23):
You think, yes, you think it's incredible. I don't put
much stock in it, but so it's pretty cool. I
thought it was a nice tidbit to share with your
listener that they even care. Okay, I was gonna do Bengals,
but Higgins has gone, so they'll do lightning around Higgins

(01:55:43):
is gone. So that means Curtis Goodwin is probably the
top white out available.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
I don't think Higgins is gone. I think well, I mean,
I don't think they're going to trade to Higgins. They
franchised tagged him and they did so. I believe the
reporting which says that they did it with the.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
Intention of signing him long term.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
And I'm gonna guess that, and I'm going to guess
that Trey Hendrickson's let's call it likely trade, maybe not
the strongest likelihood. The likely trade of Trey Hendrickson would
suggest to me a stronger likelihood that they do get
something done long term with t Higgins.

Speaker 13 (01:56:20):
No, I'm meant to. I'm sorry I didn't clarify my statement.
Te's off the charts for free agencies this year. That's
why I'm saying Curtis's is now probably the number one
white out over Metcalf, over Adams. But they all want

(01:56:43):
too much frick in money. It's like hendrickson the Tampa
is interested. It's got a good buddy in Tampa. So
I talked to everyth and he said, yeah, we we
need a head rusher. We love Henderson, but we're going
to pay him thirty six dollars a year. That ain't
gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:56:58):
No, I mean, you're you're you're paying for.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
By the way, I think I go Davanta Adams ahead
of Chris Goodwin.

Speaker 13 (01:57:09):
You're on the fact that he's just them with craft
organizations for.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
A while, or what with Chris Chris Adams, Godwin Adams.

Speaker 13 (01:57:19):
He's been jumping around from one bad team to another.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
Yeah, I mean I I obviously didn't work out in Vegas.
He was on some good Green Bay teams. The Jets
thing I sort of throw out the window. Yeah, I mean,
he's never had he's never advanced me on a conference
championship game. But his his resume is like ridiculous. I
mean DeVante and yeah, Chris Godwin's a good player, Devonte

(01:57:43):
Adams is ridiculous. But with Trey Hendrickson, it comes down
to do you want to pay for past performance? Because yes,
he has led the league in sacks over the last
two years.

Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
Right is he going to give you?

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
And again he's if you trade for Treyson, you get
him this year. If you extend him, we're talking about
twenty twenty six, is he going to give you twenty
twenty three and twenty twenty four production in twenty twenty
six when he's thirty two years old?

Speaker 13 (01:58:11):
Ouch? Ouch, Hey, no, I really want to get into
I'll do it some other time, but I'm just so
worried about Joe with all the hits he takes and
stuff that we still don't have to make you over line,
it's bad as the defense is that we still got
to protect him because you know he's the deal. But
while talk to you about that later, I wanted to hit

(01:58:33):
you with a couple of quick basketball things, Chad, and
I know you know I'm all over the place as usual. Sorry.
Chad asked Taren the other day when he was on
if Taren would agree that rich Tettino was the top
college basketball coach in his lifetime. Would you agree with.

Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
That, without questions, you, guys, with without without question took
Providence to a Final four, resuscitated the Kentucky program won
a national title, came within five minutes really closer than
that of winning another, and set the stage for Tubby
Smith to win one in nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
Wins one at Louisville.

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
Don't care that it was vacated, went to other final fours,
revived that Dorman program, took Iona to an NCAA tournament
as Saint John's as a bona fide final four contender.
He has done it style. What's most interesting to me
about Rick Patino is, you know, if you think of
his teams at Providence and for most of his run

(01:59:37):
at UK, you think of pressing, attacking defense, and shooting
the three. Now nobody presses anymore, but everybody shoots the three.
He goes to Saint John's, he wins without making threes.
Rick Patino is the best college basketball coach of my
lifetime and dare I say maybe every I think one

(01:59:59):
of the I think one of the great what ifs
in the history of college basketball is what if Rick
Patino says in nineteen ninety seven, know to the Boston
Celtics and stays there for the next two decades.

Speaker 11 (02:00:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (02:00:14):
Yeah, I've wondered doubt myself now when he was when
he was coaching the next with your boy, Bernard King.
Same thing. He did a good job with the Knicks, right.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
Well, he never coached Bernard King, but yeah, I mean
he revived that program as well, took him to the
playoffs in eighty eight, wins the division in nineteen eighty nine,
and sort of set the stage for what they would
do in nineteen ninety when they again won their division
loss to the Pistons in five games. Did a very
good job, Mike. I gotta go.

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
Hope you're okay, man, we'll talk to you.

Speaker 13 (02:00:45):
Compare him to Wooden in your mind, just comparison, just
John Wooden.

Speaker 3 (02:00:48):
Thanks boh, Yeah, Rick, I'm taking Rick.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
Multiple schools, different era, more competitive, bigger tournament, different styles.

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
I got Rick. We're done, gotta go, have a great night.
Thanks to Tarran. Thanks to you. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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