April 22, 2025 • 39 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss his NFL Draft Big Board, his final seven-round mock draft, and a whole slew of draft-related Bengals questions.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
All right, Paul Danner Juniors here. The draft is Thursday.
Today is Tuesday, so you know how it works. Paul
joins US on Tuesdays. It's his last appearance with US
before the draft. Paul Danner Junior covering the Bengals, Ford,
The Athletic and The Growler podcast where they did the
pre draft Mock Draft Spectacular, which even if you are
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mock drafted out, is a must watch or listen. Paul's here,
He's got a seven round mock draft. He's got his
big board. I have printed both, so you know, I
have a lot of questions. Yeah, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's going?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Do you know of anybody that does a good has
done a good mock draft that we could talk more about?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Has anybody done any I haven't done mine yet? Oh yeah, yeah,
when do you do yours? I'm gonna sort of squeeze
it in. I don't know. I have a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I mean I've been I've been with people, have
been asking me, well, a lot of people have been
asking me when when is it coming out?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Nixt game last night kind of depressed me. So I
stopped and then I was going to do it today,
but I decided to eat breakfast.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So I don't know, you know, I'm I'm big fans of.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Steve and Sam who were at PFF and on check
to Mike now and they did a great thing where
they had ever all these analysts uh do. It was
a great video. I recommend checking it out. Give their
favorite player in this draft and favorite It's that fun video.
It's like a half hour long. And I came away
from that thinking like, perhaps there's just too many analysts.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Like so I was, I was thinking about this today.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I was thinking about this today because Dan Patrick is
going to start the movement to get mel kiper Junior
the Rose a contributor to the Hall of Fame, and
and this is overdue, right. I don't think anybody in
the history of the Draft has done more to popularize
or grow the event than mel kiper Junior. Say what
you wanted, but you might not like his brand of analysis,
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and you might think he got it wrong with a
certain player. I don't think anybody in the history of
that event has done more to boost its popularity. It's now,
I think, quite literally the second biggest NFL event that
we have after the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And so I'm thinking about this this.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Morning and that I'm going, Yeah, but he has birthed
way too many imitators, and then those imitators have imitators. Yeah,
And so I don't maybe I don't know. I don't know,
because there's a lot of there's a lot of progeny.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Is that what we go with.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yes, there's a lot of versions of mel kiper Jr.
And I also think there's maybe a few too many.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Have you ever seen have you ever seen the movie
Multiplicity with Michael Kinton?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Are you familiar? Yeah? You know where I'm going with this.
Where the first one.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
The first one that he could figures out how to
create a clone of himself, and the first one's a
really big help, and it's like it's really great, and
then realizes well that that one's like, well, I could
really use to help too, And as they go down
the line farther and farther, it gets aware a guy
who's just like putting toothpaste on his eyes and stuff
like that and has no idea what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
There are so many good analysts with great draft takes.
But I think to your point, you know, it ends
up a touch water down. And when everybody's everybody has
an opinion and everybody has a mock draft and everybody
has all this stuff, it's like, it's just it's it
becomes a lot. Well, it just becomes like you've got
to You've gotta water it down now anymore then go
looking for it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You've got to know how to filter it. So I'll
just tell you what we did on this show.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I had like six of them and gave their names
to Taran and I'm like, here are the people I
want to have on the air and anybody else that
we're good, But I can't. I can only do there's
like five or six people we do every single year,
and if we do more than that, I lose track
of who said what, who did what? And I'd really
start asking everybody the same questions anyway, So like I've
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I've got like my half, does you're separate because you're
Bengals guy? And even said him, like, but they're the
local people. Who's the Indians? I want but like in
terms of like draft analysts, there's like six and we've
gotten them all.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
On and we're good. Those are my six. Yeah, I
mean we try to caet. I do as much as
I can to keep it in house. The athletic we
have so many good people that do that work there,
and I'm like, I'd rather tap into our network. And
there's the obvious big ones, but like you got to
kind of focus on those and realize there's just you
you will drown taking in too much information. And it's
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not that that stuff isn't good, right, it just ends
up being so much. But there's a lot I don't
want to waste all the time on contract. So there's
there's there's plenty to get to here with the Bengals,
So there is uh.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I there's a few different angles that I've looked at
this from. I'm gonna start with this. So in your
big board, you have outlined needs and wants. Right, You've
outlined there are needs and there are wants. We know
what the needs are. But then there are the wants
you have under wants a safety. Now, I'm trying to
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get myself to a.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Place that I go we talk with a dog again,
we could.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Talk about the guy we've renamed our dog after Geno Stone. Okay,
so there are Geno Stones here. Okay, So now, if
safety is I want, not a need? Uh oh, I'm
not sure I believe that, but okay, you're smarter than me,
So that's what I'm trying to trying to align myself
with someone like yourself. All right, So safety is a want.
So now I'm trying to figure out understanding that it's
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maybe not a need. I'm trying to figure out where
I can get one that could could maybe supplant genostone.
So if he's not in need, I'm drafting need in
round one. There's way too many I'm drafting need, so okay, fine,
I'm not drafting a safety. And then I want rattage
in round two. That's the guard I want. Okay, So
all right, there's a need there guard. Where am I
getting my safety? And that's the question I have today?
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Where am I getting my safety? Where could I draft
a guy who could help now, but isn't reflective of
safety being in need, and is more so reflective of
safety being a want. I hope to God that made sense. Yeah,
I see, I.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Think I think the way you're looking at the needs
in once thing is just backwards in that it's I
think in round one. Yeah, I think you would be
comfortable taking a safety if if it's Malachi star Ex
or Nicky Man Warrior, Like you're taking the player. Sure,
you're taking the person, the playmaker more so than the position.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Craft players not positions.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It's important. Yeah, I know I've heard and so, and
that's that's fine. Like, I I think that that's in
play there. I think it's more about like you can
get away with Geno Stone and so he that falls
down into the once, whereas linebacker and obviously the past
rush stuff and some other stuff to me is more
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up in the needs because I don't like, you're not
Jermaine Pratt. No one will ever say that they have
him in his plants. The plans here. We know that
it's very.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
A lot of endorsement happening, not a lot of not
a lot of any of that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And that's kind of been the response since way back
in January when that started, and and the other guard.
We know that that's obviously a massive need that has
to happen early, but you can get away with that,
and that's sort of the needs and why I think
that was sort of the line when you're drawing the tier.
It's like you can see the plan for with Gino
Stone a little more than I can see the plan
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forward with linebacker or pass rush and guard. So that's
to me the line of demarcation. It's not saying round
one no, absolutely, no way. It just seems like you
know that is where you're saying, well, you're not feeling
that pressure to reach in round two or three.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
So what I want going round one is combination of
a player that I want and somebody who satisfies an
urgent need, along with somebody who represents the safest pick.
So your verbiage in your big board, Derek Harmon, defensive
tackle from Oregon, who you have going in your your
mock draft. So this is what stands out to me,
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the safest pick in a year where my first round
pick has to play and be productive if he satisfies
a need, which I think we all believe the Bengals have.
Say what you want about what they've done in free
agency with Slayton and who they bring back from last
year's draft. I'm getting a need addressed, a player that
everybody likes oh, and he represents the safest pick according
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to you.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
At least that's what I want. Well, and I see
that too. I mean to me, it's like, I feel
like that is the position they have been looking for,
somebody who can be disruptive and be counted on. And
you know, we heard Duke Tobin talking yesterday about wanting
the complete player, not the player that is going to
be a sub package rusher. You know, he's too small
to get it, can't hold up against Derek Harmon is
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in there, he fits, He can be in there for
three downs, he can stop the run heat, but he's
more of a disruptor. And so that's the lean that
they need from that position they've been looking for. That
I had when I did the draft series last week
and I went through defense tackle. One of my favorite
things that I found was going through all the defensive
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tackles that were picked between ten and twenty five over
the last fifteen years, and they were twelve for twelve
in hits. Okay, all of them made at least fifteen
million dollars a year off their first contract, with an
average of twenty point three million dollars average annual value
on those picks. There are no misses outside of like
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Javon Kinlaw would be the clase and he just got
fifteen million dollars a year in free agency. Right, That's
the closest thing to a miss, and there are massive
names on there. If there is a player deemed worthy
of that spot at that position, it is so valuable
in this league. The Bengals should know that better than anybody.
They're still looking for the next GENO Atkins. They suffered
from not having somebody who could be disruptive up the
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middle to counter what Trey Hendrickson was doing last year.
All of that plays in and you have somebody who
would had twelve more pressures than anybody else in FBS
last year at Oregon, playing in games, going undefeated in
regular doing all the things Oregon did, and a huge
part of that worthy of that pick from people that
I trust Dane Brugler in the what I mentioned at
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the top here about your favorite player, Dane Burgler's favorite player,
Derek Harmon. Okay, people that I trust in that he
finds a way to do it. I think he is
the safest pick for them at seventeen. Now will he
be there, I don't know. Because you have others, but
they all have a little bit of a question mark
higher ceiling. Right, we're gonna play the ceiling floor game,
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and we like the ceiling floor game, or we like
does it make us a little nauseous?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I like, I'm here for this this year, this version
of the Bengals. I'm a floor guy. I want to
high floor. I want starters that can contribute. We know
the stars, we know what the offense can do. They're
missing starters and positions, and so take that more than
in some years. Yeah, some years you have the luxury
of a deep roster with a lot of starters there,
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and you're just looking to go hit on some stars. Okay,
I don't feel like that's where they're at roster wise
right now. So I turned to someone like him over
Walter Nolan, which is like the you know, the Harmon
vers Nolan thing right now is great. Nolan probably has
more upside, He's more athletic. There's a lot of things
to love, but there's this undercurrent of does he love
football fit right? And a team that sells himself on
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the fact that he does might get the steal of
this draft. But then you also have the possibility of
maybe you're never gonna get that full potential out of
that guy, and is that what is that worth? How
big is that gap? And if you convince yourself of that,
you can go that route. And then you have character stuff,
lack of production stuff on some of the other guys
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that expected to be in that mix. And that keeps
taking me back to Derek Carmon for my guy in
terms of safest pick that can be the best fit
for this team, that brings them something they desperately need.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
The Walter Nolan red flags are just too plentiful.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, I mean maybe, I mean if he comes through
for what I'm looking for here, yeah, for what he
may turn out to be a terrific player.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
He may be a great kid. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
This pick has to help this year, man, I want
to win the Super Bowl this season. This pick has
to help them. Done could be great this year.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Maybe, But again, if I'm I mean, who had more
red flags last year than Tovandre Sweat Right, it was
just like he doesn't care, He's got criminal stuff, all
of this stuff, and he went in and last year
played great for Tennessee. Right that this doesn't mean you're
not gonna get a great year. You've got to just
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you know, it's you've got to convince yourself or you've
got to be convinced by him. And they've met with him,
they've brought him in. If that, if you were convinced
like this guy, it really does matter to him. There's
never a better chance that you'll get the big year
out of him than year one, right because when the
guy comes into the league wants to prove himself. If
you ever have those motivationalss, you can get him in
year one. It's the big picture of it, I don't
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I think it's really nip and tock on depending on
how you feel about Walter Nolan. And that's something that
only the Bengals and their personnel staff really know. We
cannot know that as much as they can.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
All I can do is what the rest of us
outside that building are doing, which is forming opinions based
on what's out there now with Walter Nolan. I mean,
I could read the Beast and I could tell you
what Dan Brugel writes about his tangibles and his measurables
and his production and all that, and then I read
all the other stuff, and again, none of that may
get in the way of him being a terrific NFL
player For his sake, I hope he is. But if
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I'm looking for a guy that I feel really, really,
really good about, and one of the things is I
got to figure out how much he loves the game
for a team that has done well recently taking gym rats,
I don't know, man, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I agree, I'm betting on I'm betting on the guy
that you know will come.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
In and it will matter to them.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'm gonna bet on the Chase Browns and the andre
Yoshibash's who don't have the same talent, but you know
it matters to them. They're going to spend their entire
off season with a wide receivers guru and improving themselves.
So you see this massive leap from year one year two,
Like those are the guys typically worth betting on, more
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so than the guys who come in with all the
physical skills. But those questions, and I don't know if
that is an unfair criticism of Waltran Nolan, but I
do know I trust Dane and he said specifically to
me on the podcast, like there are teams that are
just not sold on it. And if that's the case,
it's certainly a red enough flag for me.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
The last time they took a guy in round one
that we wondered, does he like football? Blew up in
the face. Yeah, sorry man, Yeah, I'm with you. I'm
trying to win the title this year, and I just
think you build teams and it's and if we're talking
about a reaction to some of the stuff that went
down last year has gone down and maybe been up there,
they're trying to rebuild the chemistry and they're trying to
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rebuild the culture that was stressed.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, like that's a big part of this lot.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They don't want the drama, they don't want having to
pull guys that don't maybe care like having this great room,
in this great chemistry that was so much apart part
of the winning of twenty one in twenty two, if
that's part of it, and it's probably unfair to put
Walter Nolan this deep into that conversation, but if that's
a breaking a tie, I'm going with the guy that
did what Derek Carmon did last year and doesn't have
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those same questions from anybody, and so that that matters
to me when you start getting into really picking knits
like you are at the top of maybe a realistic
board right now. There's plenty of other names that would
be excited about, but this is it is.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It's an interesting debate at the top. All right. So
based on.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Your big board, I have a small wish list. We
have to talk about that. We have to talk about
the news from yesterday. Zach Moss is back, which I
think raise some eyebrows. I'm not sure it should have,
but did. And we'll talk about how that may or
may not affect what they do in the draft.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
That and so much more.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Paul's here till four o'clock, the Athletic dot Com and
the Growler podcast, and you've got your live show.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Your live show is going to be on while we're on.
It is next Tuesday. Oh we're gonna compete, not really for.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
An hour, Yeah, not really. Can I like pipe in
do a cycle? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Pipe We can just pipe your show and in the background.
That's what we can get. That's what everybody's gonna want.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
If I see somebody in the corner our live show
with headphones on, I'll know that they're tuned in. They
can't let you go, but they want to be there
for us, and that's why that's at five o'clock. Five o'clock. Yeah,
bet MGM Nation Kitchen and Bar down at the Banks.
Bengals College scouting director Mike Potts will join us down there.
We'll talk about all the picks and we'll give a
bunch of stuff away free graders, all that kind of
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stuff when in all the great deals that you always
get down there.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
So it's gonna be fun. I can't it's one of
my favorite Night's gonna be a blast.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
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The Athletic dot Com and The Growler Podcast. Zach Moss
is back.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, it's good, very good for him. I's scary, man.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Sure, you play in the NFL and you hear neck
injury no matter what it is. That was scary and
they hope to get good news. And you know, Zach
Moss gets pushed into the back of the conversation because
of what Chase Brown came last year, and you saw
how he kind of helped the offense take off. But
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it was I don't I didn't feel like Zach Moss
was some sort of a zero free agency addition. You know,
I thought he was solid enough. You obviously saw Chase
Brown should have been playing more and that he grew
into that role, but as if the platoon switched into
a seventy five to twenty five the other way, I
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like Zach Moss in that role, like I like having
a veteran backup you know you can count on who
has done well in that type of a complimentary role
in the past. He can play passing downs. Same with
Samaj p Ryan. I feel like him and p Ryan
are kind of become a little bit of the same
type of guy, and that's good. More of those guys
that are dependable there and that leaves to me one
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spot still open in that room to draft the next
Chase Brown still, which I think still exists. Like I
don't think that this in any way changes the fact
that they're still looking for the next Chase Brown, potentially
because this is the type of draft to find that
late in a draft, and so I think I don't
think it changes that. But he's in that mix and
to beat a complimentary back and the more you can have,
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the better. And if it's in a reworked deal where
they don't feel like they are paying as much because well,
maybe you're not worth what this number was, But if
you want security to know that you'll be here but
at this number, then let's do that. I think that
works for both sides, and I'm happy that that he's
healthy enough to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
So Chase is clearly the one that goes without saying
Zach is the two.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
And then I don't know that feels like a battle maybe, okay,
I mean I think that feels like something where let's see,
you know, see how that interesting? Yeah, well, you know
what's I mean? You know, Samaj's trust that he has
with Burrow and you know him in that past pro
role is solid. But also I think the fact that
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Chase Brown and pitch Dan Pitcher talked about this at
the combine with us about Chase Brown being so much
better than they thought he was gonna be at past
protection last year changed kind of a little bit of
the way that they view what the room needs to
look like because he proved that he can obviously do that.
I mean, you played every single snap and then what
he brings as a checkdown weapon for Burrow, and we
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saw that time and time and time again of his
ability to get in phase with him on off script
plays and and hold up and pass pro and do
all those things. Makes you kind of want him to
have him out there in some of those situations. So
I think you know those roles, but you're not like
solely dependent on Samaji p Rhynd to be that or
Zach Moss to be some version of this. I think
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everybody that can do a little bit of everything can
can help there. But there's still a spot for one
more and I think that's where you see them look
late in this draft, or I guess maybe undrafted free
agent would be in playable.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
So I was gonna go sort of go there next
because you said last week that if you were too,
and I'm gonna try to pair for Asia as best.
I can't hang your hat on any one thing happening
in this draft. It would be the fifth round running back,
you still feel that way, Maybe it's the sixth round
running back. Two fifth or sixth round.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I mean maybe maybe having Zach Moss here now makes
you say if they're between two guys in round five
and you're like, well, maybe the guy will the running
back that we from this group will still be there
in the sixth round, but we don't think the other
and we do have Zach mo maybe it breaks a tie,
maybe it pushes a little bit up where it's maybe
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not as certain. I still it still feels the right
way to get somebody there. But maybe Zach Moss being
okay and being healthy pushes that down a smidge. But
I still think it's very viable and it still makes
a ton of sense for this team to try to
take advantage of what will be a very strong point
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of this draft, which is that that running back depth
that can develop behind Jase.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
So, looking at the big board before the Zach Moss
news came out, the guy that just kind of fit
the profile was Laquinn Allen. Yeah, excuse could do like everything. Yeah,
receiving running pass pro. Brugler's got a four to five
fourth round to fifth round grade on him. So doesn't
strike me if I'm going on that that he's going
to be there in the sixth round. But that was
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the guy that on your board that just kind of
going through everybody here, I'm like that, that's that's Chase
Brown's that's Chase Brown two point up?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Is he going to be as good?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Because Chase Brown had to, you know we talked about earlier,
had had to develop as a receiver and a pass protector,
whereas you know, I think Laquin Allen would come in
that would be more his strength. You don't have to
develop that as much. I love my guy in this draft.
I love Jarques Hunter from Auburn. I love the way
he runs. I love his north South. I love the
he's just tenacious with the ball in his hands, like
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running downhill and getting ten to fifteen yards and doing
it consistently and just being an absolute animal. I love
his style with the way the Bengals would run the ball,
and he can do it. He can do enough of
everything and could developed some of the rest of his game.
He just did it in the SEC at a high level.
Chase Brown was high volume out of Illinois, coming out
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same type of thing where it's proven. I think you
know he had six point four yards per carry lead
in the SEC last year. Love his style, love that fit.
The thing to me is when you see the grades
there and your reference days grades are four to five
or wherever, how much of those grades that's a grade
in an ordinary year. How much does the volume make
that actually five to six? How much does a fourth
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round grade running back go in the fifth this year
has third fourth. So is he become fourth fifth because
of this? The crazy numbers here? Is that how it goes?
Does it push everybody who you're getting value there? That's
my question if that's how this ends up playing. I mean,
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every team is not going to take a running back,
and so are you getting in the sixth round Corey Kiner?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Is Corey Kiner going to come here? Maybe maybe he's
the guy? Sure? Why not? One of my all time favorites.
I mean, he's got fans.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
He was at the Mini camp fantasy camp thing they
did last week, right, he was there.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
He was there. It's good one of the guys.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Dane has a six seven on him. Babes don't have
a seventh round pick.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yes, so maybe if he doesn't get drafted, staying home
knowing that you could maybe be guy four here behind
Chase Brown, you'd love that. I mean, and I think
a lot of those you know, we talk about the
meaning of the visits from whether we're talking about thirty
visits or private workouts or local workouts, is often the
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recruiting pitch ahead of time to try to get somebody
that's going to be an undrafted free agent. And I
hope for Corey's sake that he does get to hear
his name and does get drafted. But I say this
a lot, man, I think I might rather be an
undrafted free agent than a seventh round pick. Agree, I
want to pick where I want to go more than
be forced into somebody else's situation. A lot of times,
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I'm still having to earn my way on that roster regardless.
You know, there's no there are no seventh round picks
that show up with guaranteed roster spots.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So I don't mind it.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
If I'm feel like I'm a preferred undrafted free agent,
I can pick the spot that I like.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Sometimes I like that more than.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
He would need to be able to say I was
an NFL draft pick. What is a great accomplishment?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
What else that is? I'm an NFL player?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Right, That's better to say you took the words up
right out of my mouth. It's easier to say I'm
an NFL player. And if I have my pick of
where I can go and find the best fit and
find the best you know, just I don't know situation
for me based on the competition I'm gonna have during camp.
I watch some of those dudes as a UC fan.
There are oftentimes where I'll see guys there in the
seventh round, and I go for them as a human being.
(25:43):
I think it'd be cool for them to hear their
name for their professional aspirations. I want them to have
their pick of any number of teams. Yeah, and that's
kind of where I'd be with Corey if he falls
to the seventh round.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Is it kind of like if you're getting married, do
you want to put the money into the wedding or
a down payment on a house?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You know, do you want to have that moment everybody
talks about how great that moment was, or do you
want to actually have, you know, starting your life with
the house?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
This might act.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
This is probably better for me actually in the long run,
but it's not as cool to say I did it,
and people won't really remember.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
You're asking a guy who had a big wedding and
is no longer married to the person he had the
big wedding with.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Oh, a lot of draft picks deal with this too.
This sounds familiar. This sounds familiar.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I see where you're going. Twenty three away from four o'clock.
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to have an agreement. Paul explain what happened today for me?
Do you really want me to Yeah? I do.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, it's it's you've got the opportunity. They're moving forward together, okay,
to try to get that. They have this established of
money and the renovation that they want it to be.
They don't have established who's paying for that yet or
where they're going to try to go get it from
the state according to what came out today, and hopefully
they can make that happen. But it's these are the
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four things they're in line. That they've got what they
wanted to be, how much it's going to cost, it's
gotta figure out how it's gonna get paid for. Which
seems like a pretty significant chunk of the conversation. But
they're working together, which I'd say, considering where we've been,
is a pretty significant development.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Whatever happens, is the escalator going to work.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I love the idea of like, let's put more escalators
in Like no, no, no, no, they have to They
often don't work. Yes, they at least the one on
the side of the stadium that I sit in oftentimes
not working.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Part of this, part of this investment needs to be
in a company that is the best in the world
escalator upkeep.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Who is that?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I don't know, not my job to know, but I
need I want that to be the team that comes
in here and regularly, perhaps I don't know, before every
home game.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That'd be nice, like is on it.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
So you know, the Bengals have done a lot to
that stadium to make it more fan friendly, a lot
inside the bowl of the stadium, inside the concourses. They've
taken the place that I always felt was kind of
underwhelming and they've made it better. I give them a
lot of credit for that. But the first year of
all the new changes, right, they painted the place, new
video boards. Place looks awesome. Walk up to the escalator
(29:36):
and the guy knew what was coming. Yeah, and I'm
sure had been getting it for much of the early
portion of the afternoon before the game. Where he sees
me coming. He sees me looking at the non working
escalator on day one of all the changes, and before
I could even say anything, is like, dude, you know
I'm gonna tell you man, like they make you stand
here in front of a broken escalator where your only
(29:58):
purpose is to get yelled at and cursed at people.
He's like, yeah, you know you're not gonna add to it,
are you. I'm like, no, you didn't break the escalator.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
My concern is Mitch Hedberg said it best famous comedian
escalators don't break, They just become stairs, okay, And so
that can you can at least just walk?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Can I walk in it thet where I can at
least walk up them? Yes, you know, like don't don't
don't turn me down from that.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yes, I mean maybe that's the point, is that they
haven't done the full renovation where this can be taken
care of properly. So maybe that is, but I don't
know it actually getting done by the dates that were
set forth in UH in today's announcement. Sure sure would
be something I would welcome, because no one wants this
to see this drag out anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I talked about this a little bit with you last week.
If Tate Ratlich is there at number forty nine, I
think I'm gonna be pretty happy about everything else unfolds,
like they need a guard, right, yeah, And so I'm
I'm willing to kind of kick that to Friday if
if if there's obviously no guarantee, it's what makes this fun.
(31:01):
If I can get him at forty nine.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, I think you gotta feel pretty good that you
can get one of the guards in that tier group
at forty nine. There's a there's a number of them.
I think you can feel pretty good about that right
now when you consider all the other strengths of the draft,
the defensive linemen and some of the other positions, you know,
the running backs are gonna start going off, Like, I
(31:24):
think you can feel pretty good about that group of
Savanaea Ratledge, Donovan Jackson. There's a there's a bunch in
there that that, and there's others that you could entertain
that you can certainly talk yourself into there or maybe
even in round three. But I think you can feel
good enough that one of those guys should be there.
(31:46):
And if it is that pressing, you know, and you
gets to forty six and there's only one, you gotta
be willing to say, all right, I hate to do
this like they did a couple years ago with Cam
Taylor Britt. But we got to move up a few
to make sure we get that guy. And if that's
the case, you don't want that to happen. But if
that is, you've got to be willing to do it.
Don't say I'll just take our medicine and I guess
(32:08):
we'll just take somebody who's not doesn't really fit or whatever.
I think if that's such an important position to check
that box and somebody like that that already has the
built in chemistry with a Marius Mims that can come
in there and you love that immediately. It just feels
like that's where you need to be making sure that
you check that box the right way.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Now that specific scenario, there is the part of me
that has gotten mad at the Bengals before for being
too passive, that would love the aggressiveness. Here's the guy
you want you move up to get him. At the
same time, they need more picks well established. It's the
theme of the last five or six weeks as we
have talked about this. So if I am moving up,
(32:50):
am I giving up anything in this draft to move up?
And what does that come at the expense of Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I mean they don't have a lot, they don't have
hardly any clateral to use. That's that's the challenge. I mean,
you've got to have a good feeling that what you
need will be there at that point. You're you're moving
back and you are adding picks, and you're taking a
couple extra chances, you hope. I am fascinated to see
what happens in terms of trading in this draft, for sure.
But I think the idea of moving up is this
(33:18):
is it's never a good year. I mean they've in
the first and second round. They've moved up on draft
day one time since Kajana like it, and that was
Camp Taylor Bread. I mean, it's not something they ever
want to do. And this year, of all years, they
really don't. I don't see them doing that part because
of their history and because of their current situation. They
(33:38):
are looking to and you Duke made this evidently clear.
I mean yesterday, we want to add more picks, like,
we want to do that, we need to do that.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Anything didn't say yesterday. That's what struck me the most.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, And that was what I was most interested in
because it's not just Okay, Well, everybody in the teens
is trying to move back in round one, and we
know their history. Five of the last eight drafts they
have moved back in round two to add picks in
that fourth round range, a fourth round value. We know
what they maybe would like to do what they try
to do there, But they have other options here that
(34:13):
are really interesting to dive into. Whether you're talking about
Trey Hendrickson, whether you're talking about whatever you could maybe
get for Jermaine Pratt as part of something, and maybe
anything else that could be out there on the table,
you know, I mean whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I'm just throwing this out there, just me talking. I'm
curious what the conversation would be about Jake Browning. Like
if if a team like Minnesota, right, who's trying to
figure out their quarterback thing?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Like what did you get those calls happen?
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
And and and what would it take for you to
be willing to part with something that you really like
about your team? You like that depth, you like your
you I mean, you love your quarterback er mor Thaney
in football, But like what would it take, you know,
to part if you felt like you really needed picks
is there and is there a number there?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
I just throw out there is like they have things
that people could be interested in on their roster, how
willing would they be to part with them? And what
is that price? I think is kind of a fascinating
thing to watch over the course of this weekend. Trey Hendrickson,
I mean it's I think it's it's just as fascinating
as any pick that's going to come off the board.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Is what's going to happen?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
In No News yesterday kind of asked very as bluntly
as I could about it, and and I thought, again,
these are all opportunities to be like, you know, I
don't want to parse through the details of like every
word of what's said. That's happened enough here, But I
do think it's every one of these is an opportunity
to say we don't want to I'm not trading Trey Hendrickson.
(35:44):
I don't want to trade Trey Hendrickson. It's on the table.
It has to be on the table. I was listening
on the way down here, you guys, you and and
Tony and Austin were talking about a first round.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Pick needs to play.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, Okay, well, Okay, if it's an edge rusher at
seven team, the first round pick is in the mix
with Hendrickson and Murphy and Osai and whoever that other
person is. Okay, Well, if that's the case, then and
you could now go essentially and look at it as
a two for one, and you could trade Trey Hendrickson
(36:17):
for something and maybe you can get Washington at twenty
nine or something in day two, and you could now
have a first round edge and a late first early
two defensive tackle. You're now going two for one with
young players and Murphy and you're throwing it all at it,
and maybe you can even get another late pick thrown
in with that deal and you clear the money. That
(36:39):
makes sense, Like I'm not saying that, but it makes sense.
And so it makes sense that you would be sitting
there like Duke Tobin saying, you know, I don't know,
I'm not gonna I don't know about the future, Like
there are options that are very enticing for a team
that needs more picks, and he is probably not the
thing of most value that they have and is currently
in a.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Pretty public dispute. Yeah no about him.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yesterday there was no go get your own edge Rusher
not at all. Right, there was no no definitive. We
can't wait to have Trey on the field with us
this year. And they value him, Shane, they love what
they've done with him.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
But yeah, this would be the point that you would
and we gosh, what we've talked about this so many times,
but like, this would be the point if you were
going to do it, now's the time. And if they
go edge at seventeen, I think all ears go up,
you know, and and and you start to think about
what that could look like as you should sure if
you're doing your if you're doing your job as a GM,
(37:33):
that's what should happen if you go edge at seventeen.
Is look at now we have this asset, we need
more picks. We can go full young and take advantage
of defensive line draft.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Why not.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Have a great weekend. I will enjoy. You'll be very busy, Yes,
I'll be consuming at all. The live show is Tuesday.
You'll be here.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
First and then go down there. Is that how it's
gonna work? Yes, sure sounds good. Figure that out.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
That was very Duke Tobin style answer. That is at
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
All right, Paul Danner Juniors here. The draft is Thursday.
Today is Tuesday, so you know how it works. Paul
joins US on Tuesdays. It's his last appearance with US
before the draft. Paul Danner Junior covering the Bengals, Ford,
The Athletic and The Growler podcast where they did the
pre draft Mock Draft Spectacular, which even if you are
(00:34):
mock drafted out, is a must watch or listen. Paul's here,
He's got a seven round mock draft. He's got his
big board. I have printed both, so you know, I
have a lot of questions. Yeah, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's going?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Do you know of anybody that does a good has
done a good mock draft that we could talk more about?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Has anybody done any I haven't done mine yet? Oh yeah, yeah,
when do you do yours? I'm gonna sort of squeeze
it in. I don't know. I have a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I mean I've been I've been with people, have
been asking me, well, a lot of people have been
asking me when when is it coming out?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Nixt game last night kind of depressed me. So I
stopped and then I was going to do it today,
but I decided to eat breakfast.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So I don't know, you know, I'm I'm big fans of.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Steve and Sam who were at PFF and on check
to Mike now and they did a great thing where
they had ever all these analysts uh do. It was
a great video. I recommend checking it out. Give their
favorite player in this draft and favorite It's that fun video.
It's like a half hour long. And I came away
from that thinking like, perhaps there's just too many analysts.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Like so I was, I was thinking about this today.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I was thinking about this today because Dan Patrick is
going to start the movement to get mel kiper Junior
the Rose a contributor to the Hall of Fame, and
and this is overdue, right. I don't think anybody in
the history of the Draft has done more to popularize
or grow the event than mel kiper Junior. Say what
you wanted, but you might not like his brand of analysis,
(02:05):
and you might think he got it wrong with a
certain player. I don't think anybody in the history of
that event has done more to boost its popularity. It's now,
I think, quite literally the second biggest NFL event that
we have after the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And so I'm thinking about this this.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Morning and that I'm going, Yeah, but he has birthed
way too many imitators, and then those imitators have imitators. Yeah,
And so I don't maybe I don't know. I don't know,
because there's a lot of there's a lot of progeny.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Is that what we go with.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yes, there's a lot of versions of mel kiper Jr.
And I also think there's maybe a few too many.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Have you ever seen have you ever seen the movie
Multiplicity with Michael Kinton?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Are you familiar? Yeah? You know where I'm going with this.
Where the first one.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
The first one that he could figures out how to
create a clone of himself, and the first one's a
really big help, and it's like it's really great, and
then realizes well that that one's like, well, I could
really use to help too, And as they go down
the line farther and farther, it gets aware a guy
who's just like putting toothpaste on his eyes and stuff
like that and has no idea what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
There are so many good analysts with great draft takes.
But I think to your point, you know, it ends
up a touch water down. And when everybody's everybody has
an opinion and everybody has a mock draft and everybody
has all this stuff, it's like, it's just it's it
becomes a lot. Well, it just becomes like you've got
to You've gotta water it down now anymore then go
looking for it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You've got to know how to filter it. So I'll
just tell you what we did on this show.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I had like six of them and gave their names
to Taran and I'm like, here are the people I
want to have on the air and anybody else that
we're good, But I can't. I can only do there's
like five or six people we do every single year,
and if we do more than that, I lose track
of who said what, who did what? And I'd really
start asking everybody the same questions anyway, So like I've
(03:54):
I've got like my half, does you're separate because you're
Bengals guy? And even said him, like, but they're the
local people. Who's the Indians? I want but like in
terms of like draft analysts, there's like six and we've
gotten them all.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
On and we're good. Those are my six. Yeah, I
mean we try to caet. I do as much as
I can to keep it in house. The athletic we
have so many good people that do that work there,
and I'm like, I'd rather tap into our network. And
there's the obvious big ones, but like you got to
kind of focus on those and realize there's just you
you will drown taking in too much information. And it's
(04:26):
not that that stuff isn't good, right, it just ends
up being so much. But there's a lot I don't
want to waste all the time on contract. So there's
there's there's plenty to get to here with the Bengals,
So there is uh.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I there's a few different angles that I've looked at
this from. I'm gonna start with this. So in your
big board, you have outlined needs and wants. Right, You've
outlined there are needs and there are wants. We know
what the needs are. But then there are the wants
you have under wants a safety. Now, I'm trying to
(04:59):
get myself to a.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Place that I go we talk with a dog again,
we could.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Talk about the guy we've renamed our dog after Geno Stone. Okay,
so there are Geno Stones here. Okay, So now, if
safety is I want, not a need? Uh oh, I'm
not sure I believe that, but okay, you're smarter than me,
So that's what I'm trying to trying to align myself
with someone like yourself. All right, So safety is a want.
So now I'm trying to figure out understanding that it's
(05:24):
maybe not a need. I'm trying to figure out where
I can get one that could could maybe supplant genostone.
So if he's not in need, I'm drafting need in
round one. There's way too many I'm drafting need, so okay, fine,
I'm not drafting a safety. And then I want rattage
in round two. That's the guard I want. Okay, So
all right, there's a need there guard. Where am I
getting my safety? And that's the question I have today?
(05:45):
Where am I getting my safety? Where could I draft
a guy who could help now, but isn't reflective of
safety being in need, and is more so reflective of
safety being a want. I hope to God that made sense. Yeah,
I see, I.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Think I think the way you're looking at the needs
in once thing is just backwards in that it's I
think in round one. Yeah, I think you would be
comfortable taking a safety if if it's Malachi star Ex
or Nicky Man Warrior, Like you're taking the player. Sure,
you're taking the person, the playmaker more so than the position.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Craft players not positions.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It's important. Yeah, I know I've heard and so, and
that's that's fine. Like, I I think that that's in
play there. I think it's more about like you can
get away with Geno Stone and so he that falls
down into the once, whereas linebacker and obviously the past
rush stuff and some other stuff to me is more
(06:44):
up in the needs because I don't like, you're not
Jermaine Pratt. No one will ever say that they have
him in his plants. The plans here. We know that
it's very.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
A lot of endorsement happening, not a lot of not
a lot of any of that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And that's kind of been the response since way back
in January when that started, and and the other guard.
We know that that's obviously a massive need that has
to happen early, but you can get away with that,
and that's sort of the needs and why I think
that was sort of the line when you're drawing the tier.
It's like you can see the plan for with Gino
Stone a little more than I can see the plan
(07:19):
forward with linebacker or pass rush and guard. So that's
to me the line of demarcation. It's not saying round
one no, absolutely, no way. It just seems like you
know that is where you're saying, well, you're not feeling
that pressure to reach in round two or three.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
So what I want going round one is combination of
a player that I want and somebody who satisfies an
urgent need, along with somebody who represents the safest pick.
So your verbiage in your big board, Derek Harmon, defensive
tackle from Oregon, who you have going in your your
mock draft. So this is what stands out to me,
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the safest pick in a year where my first round
pick has to play and be productive if he satisfies
a need, which I think we all believe the Bengals have.
Say what you want about what they've done in free
agency with Slayton and who they bring back from last
year's draft. I'm getting a need addressed, a player that
everybody likes oh, and he represents the safest pick according
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to you.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
At least that's what I want. Well, and I see
that too. I mean to me, it's like, I feel
like that is the position they have been looking for,
somebody who can be disruptive and be counted on. And
you know, we heard Duke Tobin talking yesterday about wanting
the complete player, not the player that is going to
be a sub package rusher. You know, he's too small
to get it, can't hold up against Derek Harmon is
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in there, he fits, He can be in there for
three downs, he can stop the run heat, but he's
more of a disruptor. And so that's the lean that
they need from that position they've been looking for. That
I had when I did the draft series last week
and I went through defense tackle. One of my favorite
things that I found was going through all the defensive
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tackles that were picked between ten and twenty five over
the last fifteen years, and they were twelve for twelve
in hits. Okay, all of them made at least fifteen
million dollars a year off their first contract, with an
average of twenty point three million dollars average annual value
on those picks. There are no misses outside of like
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Javon Kinlaw would be the clase and he just got
fifteen million dollars a year in free agency. Right, That's
the closest thing to a miss, and there are massive
names on there. If there is a player deemed worthy
of that spot at that position, it is so valuable
in this league. The Bengals should know that better than anybody.
They're still looking for the next GENO Atkins. They suffered
from not having somebody who could be disruptive up the
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middle to counter what Trey Hendrickson was doing last year.
All of that plays in and you have somebody who
would had twelve more pressures than anybody else in FBS
last year at Oregon, playing in games, going undefeated in
regular doing all the things Oregon did, and a huge
part of that worthy of that pick from people that
I trust Dane Brugler in the what I mentioned at
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the top here about your favorite player, Dane Burgler's favorite player,
Derek Harmon. Okay, people that I trust in that he
finds a way to do it. I think he is
the safest pick for them at seventeen. Now will he
be there, I don't know. Because you have others, but
they all have a little bit of a question mark
higher ceiling. Right, we're gonna play the ceiling floor game,
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and we like the ceiling floor game, or we like
does it make us a little nauseous?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I like, I'm here for this this year, this version
of the Bengals. I'm a floor guy. I want to
high floor. I want starters that can contribute. We know
the stars, we know what the offense can do. They're
missing starters and positions, and so take that more than
in some years. Yeah, some years you have the luxury
of a deep roster with a lot of starters there,
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and you're just looking to go hit on some stars. Okay,
I don't feel like that's where they're at roster wise
right now. So I turned to someone like him over
Walter Nolan, which is like the you know, the Harmon
vers Nolan thing right now is great. Nolan probably has
more upside, He's more athletic. There's a lot of things
to love, but there's this undercurrent of does he love
football fit right? And a team that sells himself on
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the fact that he does might get the steal of
this draft. But then you also have the possibility of
maybe you're never gonna get that full potential out of
that guy, and is that what is that worth? How
big is that gap? And if you convince yourself of that,
you can go that route. And then you have character stuff,
lack of production stuff on some of the other guys
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that expected to be in that mix. And that keeps
taking me back to Derek Carmon for my guy in
terms of safest pick that can be the best fit
for this team, that brings them something they desperately need.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
The Walter Nolan red flags are just too plentiful.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, I mean maybe, I mean if he comes through
for what I'm looking for here, yeah, for what he
may turn out to be a terrific player.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
He may be a great kid. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
This pick has to help this year, man, I want
to win the Super Bowl this season. This pick has
to help them. Done could be great this year.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Maybe, But again, if I'm I mean, who had more
red flags last year than Tovandre Sweat Right, it was
just like he doesn't care, He's got criminal stuff, all
of this stuff, and he went in and last year
played great for Tennessee. Right that this doesn't mean you're
not gonna get a great year. You've got to just
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you know, it's you've got to convince yourself or you've
got to be convinced by him. And they've met with him,
they've brought him in. If that, if you were convinced
like this guy, it really does matter to him. There's
never a better chance that you'll get the big year
out of him than year one, right because when the
guy comes into the league wants to prove himself. If
you ever have those motivationalss, you can get him in
year one. It's the big picture of it, I don't
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I think it's really nip and tock on depending on
how you feel about Walter Nolan. And that's something that
only the Bengals and their personnel staff really know. We
cannot know that as much as they can.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
All I can do is what the rest of us
outside that building are doing, which is forming opinions based
on what's out there now with Walter Nolan. I mean,
I could read the Beast and I could tell you
what Dan Brugel writes about his tangibles and his measurables
and his production and all that, and then I read
all the other stuff, and again, none of that may
get in the way of him being a terrific NFL
player For his sake, I hope he is. But if
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I'm looking for a guy that I feel really, really,
really good about, and one of the things is I
got to figure out how much he loves the game
for a team that has done well recently taking gym rats,
I don't know, man, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I agree, I'm betting on I'm betting on the guy
that you know will come.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
In and it will matter to them.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'm gonna bet on the Chase Browns and the andre
Yoshibash's who don't have the same talent, but you know
it matters to them. They're going to spend their entire
off season with a wide receivers guru and improving themselves.
So you see this massive leap from year one year two,
Like those are the guys typically worth betting on, more
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so than the guys who come in with all the
physical skills. But those questions, and I don't know if
that is an unfair criticism of Waltran Nolan, but I
do know I trust Dane and he said specifically to
me on the podcast, like there are teams that are
just not sold on it. And if that's the case,
it's certainly a red enough flag for me.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
The last time they took a guy in round one
that we wondered, does he like football? Blew up in
the face. Yeah, sorry man, Yeah, I'm with you. I'm
trying to win the title this year, and I just
think you build teams and it's and if we're talking
about a reaction to some of the stuff that went
down last year has gone down and maybe been up there,
they're trying to rebuild the chemistry and they're trying to
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rebuild the culture that was stressed.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, like that's a big part of this lot.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They don't want the drama, they don't want having to
pull guys that don't maybe care like having this great room,
in this great chemistry that was so much apart part
of the winning of twenty one in twenty two, if
that's part of it, and it's probably unfair to put
Walter Nolan this deep into that conversation, but if that's
a breaking a tie, I'm going with the guy that
did what Derek Carmon did last year and doesn't have
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those same questions from anybody, and so that that matters
to me when you start getting into really picking knits
like you are at the top of maybe a realistic
board right now. There's plenty of other names that would
be excited about, but this is it is.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It's an interesting debate at the top. All right. So
based on.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Your big board, I have a small wish list. We
have to talk about that. We have to talk about
the news from yesterday. Zach Moss is back, which I
think raise some eyebrows. I'm not sure it should have,
but did. And we'll talk about how that may or
may not affect what they do in the draft.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
That and so much more.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Paul's here till four o'clock, the Athletic dot Com and
the Growler podcast, and you've got your live show.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Your live show is going to be on while we're on.
It is next Tuesday. Oh we're gonna compete, not really for.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
An hour, Yeah, not really. Can I like pipe in
do a cycle? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Pipe We can just pipe your show and in the background.
That's what we can get. That's what everybody's gonna want.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
If I see somebody in the corner our live show
with headphones on, I'll know that they're tuned in. They
can't let you go, but they want to be there
for us, and that's why that's at five o'clock. Five o'clock. Yeah,
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We'll talk about all the picks and we'll give a
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The Athletic dot Com and The Growler Podcast. Zach Moss
is back.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, it's good, very good for him. I's scary, man.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Sure, you play in the NFL and you hear neck
injury no matter what it is. That was scary and
they hope to get good news. And you know, Zach
Moss gets pushed into the back of the conversation because
of what Chase Brown came last year, and you saw
how he kind of helped the offense take off. But
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it was I don't I didn't feel like Zach Moss
was some sort of a zero free agency addition. You know,
I thought he was solid enough. You obviously saw Chase
Brown should have been playing more and that he grew
into that role, but as if the platoon switched into
a seventy five to twenty five the other way, I
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like Zach Moss in that role, like I like having
a veteran backup you know you can count on who
has done well in that type of a complimentary role
in the past. He can play passing downs. Same with
Samaj p Ryan. I feel like him and p Ryan
are kind of become a little bit of the same
type of guy, and that's good. More of those guys
that are dependable there and that leaves to me one
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spot still open in that room to draft the next
Chase Brown still, which I think still exists. Like I
don't think that this in any way changes the fact
that they're still looking for the next Chase Brown, potentially
because this is the type of draft to find that
late in a draft, and so I think I don't
think it changes that. But he's in that mix and
to beat a complimentary back and the more you can have,
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the better. And if it's in a reworked deal where
they don't feel like they are paying as much because well,
maybe you're not worth what this number was, But if
you want security to know that you'll be here but
at this number, then let's do that. I think that
works for both sides, and I'm happy that that he's
healthy enough to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
So Chase is clearly the one that goes without saying
Zach is the two.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
And then I don't know that feels like a battle maybe, okay,
I mean I think that feels like something where let's see,
you know, see how that interesting? Yeah, well, you know
what's I mean? You know, Samaj's trust that he has
with Burrow and you know him in that past pro
role is solid. But also I think the fact that
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Chase Brown and pitch Dan Pitcher talked about this at
the combine with us about Chase Brown being so much
better than they thought he was gonna be at past
protection last year changed kind of a little bit of
the way that they view what the room needs to
look like because he proved that he can obviously do that.
I mean, you played every single snap and then what
he brings as a checkdown weapon for Burrow, and we
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saw that time and time and time again of his
ability to get in phase with him on off script
plays and and hold up and pass pro and do
all those things. Makes you kind of want him to
have him out there in some of those situations. So
I think you know those roles, but you're not like
solely dependent on Samaji p Rhynd to be that or
Zach Moss to be some version of this. I think
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everybody that can do a little bit of everything can
can help there. But there's still a spot for one
more and I think that's where you see them look
late in this draft, or I guess maybe undrafted free
agent would be in playable.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
So I was gonna go sort of go there next
because you said last week that if you were too,
and I'm gonna try to pair for Asia as best.
I can't hang your hat on any one thing happening
in this draft. It would be the fifth round running back,
you still feel that way, Maybe it's the sixth round
running back. Two fifth or sixth round.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I mean maybe maybe having Zach Moss here now makes
you say if they're between two guys in round five
and you're like, well, maybe the guy will the running
back that we from this group will still be there
in the sixth round, but we don't think the other
and we do have Zach mo maybe it breaks a tie,
maybe it pushes a little bit up where it's maybe
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not as certain. I still it still feels the right
way to get somebody there. But maybe Zach Moss being
okay and being healthy pushes that down a smidge. But
I still think it's very viable and it still makes
a ton of sense for this team to try to
take advantage of what will be a very strong point
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of this draft, which is that that running back depth
that can develop behind Jase.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
So, looking at the big board before the Zach Moss
news came out, the guy that just kind of fit
the profile was Laquinn Allen. Yeah, excuse could do like everything. Yeah,
receiving running pass pro. Brugler's got a four to five
fourth round to fifth round grade on him. So doesn't
strike me if I'm going on that that he's going
to be there in the sixth round. But that was
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the guy that on your board that just kind of
going through everybody here, I'm like that, that's that's Chase
Brown's that's Chase Brown two point up?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Is he going to be as good?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Because Chase Brown had to, you know we talked about earlier,
had had to develop as a receiver and a pass protector,
whereas you know, I think Laquin Allen would come in
that would be more his strength. You don't have to
develop that as much. I love my guy in this draft.
I love Jarques Hunter from Auburn. I love the way
he runs. I love his north South. I love the
he's just tenacious with the ball in his hands, like
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running downhill and getting ten to fifteen yards and doing
it consistently and just being an absolute animal. I love
his style with the way the Bengals would run the ball,
and he can do it. He can do enough of
everything and could developed some of the rest of his game.
He just did it in the SEC at a high level.
Chase Brown was high volume out of Illinois, coming out
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same type of thing where it's proven. I think you
know he had six point four yards per carry lead
in the SEC last year. Love his style, love that fit.
The thing to me is when you see the grades
there and your reference days grades are four to five
or wherever, how much of those grades that's a grade
in an ordinary year. How much does the volume make
that actually five to six? How much does a fourth
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round grade running back go in the fifth this year
has third fourth. So is he become fourth fifth because
of this? The crazy numbers here? Is that how it goes?
Does it push everybody who you're getting value there? That's
my question if that's how this ends up playing. I mean,
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every team is not going to take a running back,
and so are you getting in the sixth round Corey Kiner?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Is Corey Kiner going to come here? Maybe maybe he's
the guy? Sure? Why not? One of my all time favorites.
I mean, he's got fans.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
He was at the Mini camp fantasy camp thing they
did last week, right, he was there.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
He was there. It's good one of the guys.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Dane has a six seven on him. Babes don't have
a seventh round pick.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yes, so maybe if he doesn't get drafted, staying home
knowing that you could maybe be guy four here behind
Chase Brown, you'd love that. I mean, and I think
a lot of those you know, we talk about the
meaning of the visits from whether we're talking about thirty
visits or private workouts or local workouts, is often the
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recruiting pitch ahead of time to try to get somebody
that's going to be an undrafted free agent. And I
hope for Corey's sake that he does get to hear
his name and does get drafted. But I say this
a lot, man, I think I might rather be an
undrafted free agent than a seventh round pick. Agree, I
want to pick where I want to go more than
be forced into somebody else's situation. A lot of times,
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I'm still having to earn my way on that roster regardless.
You know, there's no there are no seventh round picks
that show up with guaranteed roster spots.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So I don't mind it.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
If I'm feel like I'm a preferred undrafted free agent,
I can pick the spot that I like.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Sometimes I like that more than.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
He would need to be able to say I was
an NFL draft pick. What is a great accomplishment?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
What else that is? I'm an NFL player?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Right, That's better to say you took the words up
right out of my mouth. It's easier to say I'm
an NFL player. And if I have my pick of
where I can go and find the best fit and
find the best you know, just I don't know situation
for me based on the competition I'm gonna have during camp.
I watch some of those dudes as a UC fan.
There are oftentimes where I'll see guys there in the
seventh round, and I go for them as a human being.
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I think it'd be cool for them to hear their
name for their professional aspirations. I want them to have
their pick of any number of teams. Yeah, and that's
kind of where I'd be with Corey if he falls
to the seventh round.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Is it kind of like if you're getting married, do
you want to put the money into the wedding or
a down payment on a house?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You know, do you want to have that moment everybody
talks about how great that moment was, or do you
want to actually have, you know, starting your life with
the house?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
This might act.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
This is probably better for me actually in the long run,
but it's not as cool to say I did it,
and people won't really remember.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
You're asking a guy who had a big wedding and
is no longer married to the person he had the
big wedding with.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Oh, a lot of draft picks deal with this too.
This sounds familiar. This sounds familiar.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
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to have an agreement. Paul explain what happened today for me?
Do you really want me to Yeah? I do.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, it's it's you've got the opportunity. They're moving forward together, okay,
to try to get that. They have this established of
money and the renovation that they want it to be.
They don't have established who's paying for that yet or
where they're going to try to go get it from
the state according to what came out today, and hopefully
they can make that happen. But it's these are the
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four things they're in line. That they've got what they
wanted to be, how much it's going to cost, it's
gotta figure out how it's gonna get paid for. Which
seems like a pretty significant chunk of the conversation. But
they're working together, which I'd say, considering where we've been,
is a pretty significant development.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Whatever happens, is the escalator going to work.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I love the idea of like, let's put more escalators
in Like no, no, no, no, they have to They
often don't work. Yes, they at least the one on
the side of the stadium that I sit in oftentimes
not working.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Part of this, part of this investment needs to be
in a company that is the best in the world
escalator upkeep.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Who is that?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I don't know, not my job to know, but I
need I want that to be the team that comes
in here and regularly, perhaps I don't know, before every
home game.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That'd be nice, like is on it.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
So you know, the Bengals have done a lot to
that stadium to make it more fan friendly, a lot
inside the bowl of the stadium, inside the concourses. They've
taken the place that I always felt was kind of
underwhelming and they've made it better. I give them a
lot of credit for that. But the first year of
all the new changes, right, they painted the place, new
video boards. Place looks awesome. Walk up to the escalator
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and the guy knew what was coming. Yeah, and I'm
sure had been getting it for much of the early
portion of the afternoon before the game. Where he sees
me coming. He sees me looking at the non working
escalator on day one of all the changes, and before
I could even say anything, is like, dude, you know
I'm gonna tell you man, like they make you stand
here in front of a broken escalator where your only
(29:58):
purpose is to get yelled at and cursed at people.
He's like, yeah, you know you're not gonna add to it,
are you. I'm like, no, you didn't break the escalator.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
My concern is Mitch Hedberg said it best famous comedian
escalators don't break, They just become stairs, okay, And so
that can you can at least just walk?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Can I walk in it thet where I can at
least walk up them? Yes, you know, like don't don't
don't turn me down from that.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yes, I mean maybe that's the point, is that they
haven't done the full renovation where this can be taken
care of properly. So maybe that is, but I don't
know it actually getting done by the dates that were
set forth in UH in today's announcement. Sure sure would
be something I would welcome, because no one wants this
to see this drag out anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I talked about this a little bit with you last week.
If Tate Ratlich is there at number forty nine, I
think I'm gonna be pretty happy about everything else unfolds,
like they need a guard, right, yeah, And so I'm
I'm willing to kind of kick that to Friday if
if if there's obviously no guarantee, it's what makes this fun.
(31:01):
If I can get him at forty nine.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, I think you gotta feel pretty good that you
can get one of the guards in that tier group
at forty nine. There's a there's a number of them.
I think you can feel pretty good about that right
now when you consider all the other strengths of the draft,
the defensive linemen and some of the other positions, you know,
the running backs are gonna start going off, Like, I
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think you can feel pretty good about that group of
Savanaea Ratledge, Donovan Jackson. There's a there's a bunch in
there that that, and there's others that you could entertain
that you can certainly talk yourself into there or maybe
even in round three. But I think you can feel
good enough that one of those guys should be there.
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And if it is that pressing, you know, and you
gets to forty six and there's only one, you gotta
be willing to say, all right, I hate to do
this like they did a couple years ago with Cam
Taylor Britt. But we got to move up a few
to make sure we get that guy. And if that's
the case, you don't want that to happen. But if
that is, you've got to be willing to do it.
Don't say I'll just take our medicine and I guess
(32:08):
we'll just take somebody who's not doesn't really fit or whatever.
I think if that's such an important position to check
that box and somebody like that that already has the
built in chemistry with a Marius Mims that can come
in there and you love that immediately. It just feels
like that's where you need to be making sure that
you check that box the right way.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Now that specific scenario, there is the part of me
that has gotten mad at the Bengals before for being
too passive, that would love the aggressiveness. Here's the guy
you want you move up to get him. At the
same time, they need more picks well established. It's the
theme of the last five or six weeks as we
have talked about this. So if I am moving up,
(32:50):
am I giving up anything in this draft to move up?
And what does that come at the expense of Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I mean they don't have a lot, they don't have
hardly any clateral to use. That's that's the challenge. I mean,
you've got to have a good feeling that what you
need will be there at that point. You're you're moving
back and you are adding picks, and you're taking a
couple extra chances, you hope. I am fascinated to see
what happens in terms of trading in this draft, for sure.
But I think the idea of moving up is this
(33:18):
is it's never a good year. I mean they've in
the first and second round. They've moved up on draft
day one time since Kajana like it, and that was
Camp Taylor Bread. I mean, it's not something they ever
want to do. And this year, of all years, they
really don't. I don't see them doing that part because
of their history and because of their current situation. They
(33:38):
are looking to and you Duke made this evidently clear.
I mean yesterday, we want to add more picks, like,
we want to do that, we need to do that.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Anything didn't say yesterday. That's what struck me the most.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, And that was what I was most interested in
because it's not just Okay, Well, everybody in the teens
is trying to move back in round one, and we
know their history. Five of the last eight drafts they
have moved back in round two to add picks in
that fourth round range, a fourth round value. We know
what they maybe would like to do what they try
to do there, But they have other options here that
(34:13):
are really interesting to dive into. Whether you're talking about
Trey Hendrickson, whether you're talking about whatever you could maybe
get for Jermaine Pratt as part of something, and maybe
anything else that could be out there on the table,
you know, I mean whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I'm just throwing this out there, just me talking. I'm
curious what the conversation would be about Jake Browning. Like
if if a team like Minnesota, right, who's trying to
figure out their quarterback thing?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Like what did you get those calls happen?
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
And and and what would it take for you to
be willing to part with something that you really like
about your team? You like that depth, you like your
you I mean, you love your quarterback er mor Thaney
in football, But like what would it take, you know,
to part if you felt like you really needed picks
is there and is there a number there?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
I just throw out there is like they have things
that people could be interested in on their roster, how
willing would they be to part with them? And what
is that price? I think is kind of a fascinating
thing to watch over the course of this weekend. Trey Hendrickson,
I mean it's I think it's it's just as fascinating
as any pick that's going to come off the board.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Is what's going to happen?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
In No News yesterday kind of asked very as bluntly
as I could about it, and and I thought, again,
these are all opportunities to be like, you know, I
don't want to parse through the details of like every
word of what's said. That's happened enough here, But I
do think it's every one of these is an opportunity
to say we don't want to I'm not trading Trey Hendrickson.
(35:44):
I don't want to trade Trey Hendrickson. It's on the table.
It has to be on the table. I was listening
on the way down here, you guys, you and and
Tony and Austin were talking about a first round.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Pick needs to play.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, Okay, well, Okay, if it's an edge rusher at
seven team, the first round pick is in the mix
with Hendrickson and Murphy and Osai and whoever that other
person is. Okay, Well, if that's the case, then and
you could now go essentially and look at it as
a two for one, and you could trade Trey Hendrickson
(36:17):
for something and maybe you can get Washington at twenty
nine or something in day two, and you could now
have a first round edge and a late first early
two defensive tackle. You're now going two for one with
young players and Murphy and you're throwing it all at it,
and maybe you can even get another late pick thrown
in with that deal and you clear the money. That
(36:39):
makes sense, Like I'm not saying that, but it makes sense.
And so it makes sense that you would be sitting
there like Duke Tobin saying, you know, I don't know,
I'm not gonna I don't know about the future, Like
there are options that are very enticing for a team
that needs more picks, and he is probably not the
thing of most value that they have and is currently
in a.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Pretty public dispute. Yeah no about him.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yesterday there was no go get your own edge Rusher
not at all. Right, there was no no definitive. We
can't wait to have Trey on the field with us
this year. And they value him, Shane, they love what
they've done with him.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
But yeah, this would be the point that you would
and we gosh, what we've talked about this so many times,
but like, this would be the point if you were
going to do it, now's the time. And if they
go edge at seventeen, I think all ears go up,
you know, and and and you start to think about
what that could look like as you should sure if
you're doing your if you're doing your job as a GM,
(37:33):
that's what should happen if you go edge at seventeen.
Is look at now we have this asset, we need
more picks. We can go full young and take advantage
of defensive line draft.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Why not.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Have a great weekend. I will enjoy. You'll be very busy, Yes,
I'll be consuming at all. The live show is Tuesday.
You'll be here.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
First and then go down there. Is that how it's
gonna work? Yes, sure sounds good. Figure that out.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
That was very Duke Tobin style answer. That is at
the Nation at MGM on Tuesday week from today, at
five o'clock, Yes, sort of, the draft wrap up.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Draft wrap up with Bengals Director of College Scouting Mike Potts,
and then.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Full coverage of the draft from Paulvieathletic dot Com and
the Growler Podcast. Thank you so much, Thank you mo.
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