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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From GABP coming up in just about fifteen to twenty
minutes one hour from now, the Georgia offensive line coach
Stacy Cereals coach to Dylan Fairchild, as well as a
Marius Mems That is in one hour. Joe Goodbary Bengals
on the Brain on YouTube recapping every Bengals draft choice.

(00:20):
Go watch it. Joe is with us. Give me one
word to describe this year's Bengals draft class.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Ooh man, there are a ton all right. One I
would say is risk. They took a lot of risk
with a lot of these players for different reasons, especially
to start off in the beginning portions. Everyone's going to
take some risk and accept some with the players in
the mid to late rounds, right, that's why they're still available.
Either they're not big enough, not fast enough, they played
at small schools, whatever it may be. From the top,

(00:47):
the Bengals took a production risk with Shamar Stewart. They
took an age risk with Demetrius Knight, and then they
took a risk for an interior off of the Alignman
and Dylan Fairchild that I think needs a little bit
of technical rebuilding, and I think that's what Peters is here,
but also in the data perspective, he didn't test athletically
before the draft, and it's typically not a good sign
for offensive.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Linemen Shamar Stewart specifically. Are we focusing a little bit
too much on the lack of sacks.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I don't think we are. I think if you're drafting
a pass rusher, and I know he's more than that, right,
he's really good against the run, he's young, he's got
all the tools and the body you want from a
first round pick. But if you're drafting a guy in
the first round, I want him to be a pass rusher.
And typically what we see from college to the NFL
is production matters, especially at the defensive end. You want

(01:36):
them to be athletic, high end athletes and have to
be super athletes. And I guess what check number one
for schmer Stewart. We have that good he's young, Check two,
big school, big games, Check three, got the character, Check four.
The only thing he doesn't have is the production. So
we got a bucket of these guys, and we've got
a history of them, whether it's a dafe O way,

(01:57):
whether it's for Shaan Gary and even Toront Walker from
a couple of years ago, I went number one to
the Jaguars, and there's a whole host of others that
have been like this. When you have that elite athleticism,
you can turn into and at a pretty high clip.
So I understand why teams do this. You do end
up being a quality player, quality starter in the NFL.
Not all of them reached the elite status or the

(02:21):
high end top twenty player, top fifteen player. At that position,
he's more than likely because of the production profile is
who he was in college. Maybe just a little bit
better at it, maybe he finishes more. He missed eight
tackles last two years that should have been sex. That
probably changes his production a big time. If he lines
half of those right, we probably feel better about it.

(02:43):
Can you teach a guy to finish? Can you teach
him how to disengage and turn those pressures into sex?
They're gonna have their handful in developing him, but at
the very least gives you a nice floor to start with.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
The number that stands out that Shamar Stewart has one
out of his way to point out are the thirty
nine pressures. How do I contextualize that? When I think
about what he may do his rookie season in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, you know, thirty any anytime you get over thirty pressures,
that's notable, I think in a lot of ways. But
when we put it into the entire draft class, I
will say, yeah, his his pressure rate is much better
than his sack rate. It still puts them in about
the fifty fourth percentile amongst edge defenders going back over
the last six years or so. So it's not great.
It's not amazing. You get to seventy nine total career

(03:33):
pressures for his career. But you know, if you look
like Abdual Carteri at one hundred and fourteen, James Pierce
hundred and thirteen, Donovan Easeraku one hundred and forty, Princely
Uman Miland one hundred and fifty four, or Eshton Geloiti
one fifty four. Uman Milan has one one hundred and
forty six career pressures. So these guys still had a
lot more pressures than Stuart did. Stuart to me, if

(03:54):
I were to classify him, he is a chaos creator,
and I think this defense needed us. I think we
talked about there this way when we talked originally, you
need a chaos creator on your defensive line as long
as your other guys are cleaning it up. And maybe
this adds to more sacks for other players because Stewart
will create the quarterback to move out of the pocket
or step up or step to the side. He won't

(04:16):
collect it if he's exactly who he was the Texas
A and M, but his teammates will. So you need these guys.
But do you have to spend the seventeenth pick on
that type of player? It was my criticism.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
You mentioned Demetrius Knight's age twenty five, six year college
player for me, I guess what stands out is he
played for a long time in college, but there aren't
a ton of starters reps. Is is that a red
flag along with the fact that he is twenty five
years old and probably not a guy that you're really
thinking long term about. If you're thinking about, like all
right in the second round, you know you want those

(04:49):
guys to eventually sign second contracts. I maybe this is
a I don't know a wrong way of looking at it,
but I would imagine that's not going to happen, right.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I would imagine it's not either. Right if we're talking
about he's twenty nine years old when he hits free agency.
The first time, the Bengals with every free agency we
talk were like, hey, you know, the guy's twenty nine,
he's thirty or whatever. You're at that edge where the
Bengals won't sign them or won't commit long term. Now
they did a couple of times this free agency they
did with j Hill, so maybe it'll be different. But
at the same time, why we factor age so much?

(05:22):
And it has two sides to the sword here. Number
one long term, Yes, when you get to that second contract,
the guy who's going to be a little bit older,
it's going to cut into the back half of his
career and maybe he won't have a fifteen year career
r because he's a little bit older coming out. But
the real issue I see from my experience watching draft
prospects when they're older, they tend to look really good

(05:45):
on tape, and because they're so much older, they're bigger,
they're stronger, they're they're full grown men at this point.
They I hear the same thing when people say, oh, man,
he's so mature, he's a leader out there. Yeah, he's
a grown man. He should be. It's hard to compare
them to someone that are three, four, sometimes five years
younger than them on the field. So the one saving

(06:08):
grace though for Night, he did look really good on tape.
He actually had the highest take grade I gave of
all the prospects they drafted this year. So I really
like Night as well, but I tried to temper my expectations, like,
all right, yeah he is older like this, he should
look as good. The one thing is he was a
former quarterback and he only really played one year of
starting linebacker experience at a big program, So maybe there
is more for him to develop. Maybe he's not at

(06:30):
the you know, at the ceiling that he could be at.
It's tough to weigh that when you only get one
year of experience or high end experience, and he's also
going to be twenty five years old as a rookie.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Joe Goodbarry Bengals on the Brain on YouTube goes through
every pick, and so I'm not going to ask you
about every single one, but I do want to. I
do want your thoughts on my favorite guy. Who was
the last guy they took Tosbrooks knew it.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I knew that was your guy. I was going to
try to I guess this before you is that thing?
Because he should be so every year I rank I
do a power rankings for subscribers on Twitter where I
power rank the whole rookie class, and like, I think
they have eighteen or nineteen right now, depending on how
many these under undrafted guys sign. And I was just
starting to get like a preliminary Okay, let me rank
these guys like who can make an impact their rookie year?

(07:18):
And I had Schamar Stewart and to mee Dress nine,
Dylan Fairtraald. That's the top three of course, right those
guys are in line to potentially start and make a
lot of players play last snaps And I thought, okay,
who's next? Is it Barrek Carter? Is it Jalen Rivers?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Now?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Actually, I think Taj Brooks has a chance to play
the most as a rookie because the Bengals don't really
have great depth at running back. Sure they have two
veterans behind Chase Brown right now that they like, but
there's no reason why some fresh legs, very experienced Taj Brooks.
That's a bowling ball with knives glued to him. The
way he runs, he is so hard to tackle. They're

(07:49):
saying he played at two twenty five to two thirty.
It's like shades of Rudy Johnson at times at five
to nine when I'm watching Texas attack a lot of fun,
very fun player. I think needed some density, they needed
some power, and they need a guy that could break
a little of some tackles run from the shotgun almost
ninety nine percent of the time. Hey, that's a great fit.
Any can pass per tech. I think he's a solid

(08:09):
receiver in the passing game as well. I think todge
Brooks has a good shot to be RB two. Maybe
it's not this year, maybe it's not right away, but
maybe towards the end of the year, maybe, you know,
during his rookie contract. And if the Bengals find RB
one and RB two in the fifth and sixth round, respectively,
between Chase Brown and Todge brook that's a great way
to recoup some value and say, hey, we're doing the

(08:32):
right things here and not spending high resources at running
back for a high output passing offense. Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Are you surprised and are you concerned that they did
not address the three technique in this draft?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I am, you know, I think three tech and safety
were both probably positions they wanted to draft and wanted
to address. And I wonder if we felt the same
way as the draft was approaching, right as they kind
of shut down free agency. Well, you're not going to
be able to get everything, So what position are you
going to bypass? What position do you feel comfortable bypassing?

(09:05):
And they've drafted a lot of corners, safeties, and defensive
tackles recently, And maybe that was the logic, right of
you know, we have Chris Jenkins, We've got McKinley Jackson,
just spent a second and third round pick. We should
see a second year bump. Maybe they don't turn into
all pro players, right, they're still defensive tackle number three
and four in the depth trat right now behind J

(09:25):
Hill and TJ. Slayton. But if they take a small
step in the right direction, that's big for the development
and for the depth of your defensive line. So maybe
you get to the rounds three and you say, all right,
is this guy that's available better than Chris Jenkins? No,
so why draft him? Right? He's not gonna play right away.
They may be inactive. Go with the guys we still

(09:46):
have that we had high opinions on last year. So
that's the way I rationalized that. I thought there was
some chances, and I think they wanted to get a
detackle it just it didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
The undrafted free agency class, which you are currently doing
work gone, is there somebody that to this point has
stood out more than the others?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
More than the others, because there's a handful that have
so far, you know, I'll run through some names that
have been interesting. Jordan Moore, the wide receiver from Duke,
Chaquan Loyal, safety from Rutgers. Howard Cross, defensive tackle from
Notre Dame, the only Notre Dame guy we got for
Al Golden, which is kind of interesting. I wondered if
if we'd end up with more, but they bypassed the
Notre Dame guys the entire draft. Steph McLaughlin from the

(10:26):
center from Oho State, and then Caleb atn from the
offensive tackle from BYU. And I should mention because I
got a guy A special shout out to a guy
on Twitter that follows me, he says. Eric Gregory, the
defensive tackle from Arkansas, is a stud. I haven't gotten
to the film yet, but I can't if he's I mean,
this guy's standing on the table as they say this
time of year for Eric Gregory. But Jordan Moore, to me,

(10:47):
the wide receiver from Duke, the Mango's death that wide
receiver right now. Let's see if Jermain Burton liked himself
on fire, does some you know, outrageous act in the
preseason or camp too, And if he doesn't, he's probably
got a roster spot. But who is the sixth guy?
Who is the sixth guy? Is it Charlie Jones? Still?
Is that Isaiah Williams? You know? Ken Jordan Moore crack
that lineup? I think he can. And he's a good player,

(11:09):
played a lot of slot at Duke, high output for production,
decent enough athlete, six six fight, good rot runner, makes
some crazy catches. I mean you can watch his highlights
and he's got a bunch of announcers going, that's the
catch of the year, like four times in a year,
So you know, that's a good thing. I think he
could stick on the on the back end of the roster.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Joe, you're the best, uh, I know you have a
lot going on. I can't thank you enough. We'll bother
you perhaps before training camp begins. I appreciate the time
as always. Man, thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Sounds good, mol, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
You got a Joe Goodberry Bengals on the brain on YouTube.
Watch it. He does a great deep dive into all
six picks made by the Bengals. Here in the twenty
twenty five draft, Reds Lou's six zip to the Cardinals
to the Cardinals. The Reds lost six zip to the Cardinals.
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