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He's ESPN fifteen thirty. What's up, Good afternoon, I'm Mollegger. This
is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank youfor listening today. I hope you're having
an awesome Tuesday. We're back instudio. Thanks to the folks at Twin
Peaks in Westchester for having us yesterday. It was a blast. But we're

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back here, which means on Tuesdays, Paul Danner Junior is here covering the
Cincinnati Bengals for The Athletic. Theathleticdot Com. You could also check out
his podcast The Growler multiple episodes everyweek and had one with me yesterday,
which was good. Paul is hereas he is every single Tuesday to cover

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a whole slew of Bengals items.As we get closer and closer to the
NFL Draft, what is going on? We have to turn the microphone on.
I'll turn it on. There wego, do it. Very good.
That sounds fine, it's good.It's good to be self sufficient in
this business. Yes, no congratas you get in the off season trip
to Twin Peaks yesterday. It's nicethat in there. We always do a

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show at Twin Peaks on the Mondayof the NCAA tournament title game. It's
a great one, it is.And then we do another one the Friday
of the draft at the Florence location. Get our twin Peaks, Phil,
is the draft coming? The draftis approaching? Do you have the dates?
April twenty fifth? Okay, twentysixth and twenty seventh. I should
I have your big board here?Oh you've got your You've got your big

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board. Yeah, I guess yougot to do that right, Well,
yeah, I have to I haveto print it. But yeah, you
got a big board. Speaking ofprinting, it has everybody even put on
notice in the building about tomorrow DaneBruglers the Beast, Oh the Beast,
Yes, out tomorrow tomorrow. Yes, printers in your offices must be You
should get some of the like yellowcaution tape to go around it, so

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everyone knows that this is pretty muchgoing to be off limits. While I
print all five and eighty nine pagesof this, I meant to send a
memo today because I do this everyyear because we get Dane on. But
it's also just it's such a greatresource for just what everything we do is
it gets It's awesome. There's there'sthere is no draft guide as comprehensive,

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as thorough and as easy to sortof navigate through than then Danes. And
it's over five hundred pages. Andevery year I print it here at the
radio station, and every year Iget admonished by my colleagues. And so
I meant to send the memo yesterdaythat says, hey, by the way,
on Wednesday, DIBs on the printer. It's gonna take a while,

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so just be ready. Last yearthey got mad at me because I did
print it in color. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, I mean,
come on, little selfish of me. Yeah, but you know what,
you want to get the full feelingof the photos that are in there,
no question. So that's available tomorrow. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's
awesome. I It's one of myfavorite days too, because I it can
kind of help. It just helpsshape what I like to do after that.

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What I'm gonna do is I liketo do a Bengals Trends draft,
because nowhere can you find the truelike details of things like well, our
you know, our relentless motor Captain'scoaches say, this guy does everything the
right way. He has all theseincredible details, the stuff that begles personnel

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people and their coaches really latch onto. I mean we know that now,
and so it's a good way tofind different When you combine those with certain
trades and positions you know that they'relooking for. You can put together a
nice little look at some of thetrends of some names pop up that you
weren't previously maybe necessarily focused on ifyou're just looking at the tape. But

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Dan gives you so much more thatyou can start to bring that character side
that so often is excluded from draftconversation because only you know so ma some
people have access to it. Youcan really sort of bring that more into
it. So I love when whenthe Beast comes out and usually write multiple
things off of it. Yeah.No, it's It's terrific and it's worth
mentioning. You get it. It'sincluded with your subscription if you read the

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Athleticotic subscriber or go subscribe. I'vebeen and you have the Beast. You
have it. You want to code, do anything other than hit download.
It is awesome, all right,but your big board's really good too.
It is is you also get thatwith this you also big board. One
point which would suggest there's going tobe more more big boards. I think
we'll go as far as too.Okay, that's fine. Two big boards.

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I think a second one if necessaryit expanded. I like to expand
one into later rounds as we getright up on the draft. Okay.
So it feels like with the folksthat I'm reading at the Athletic who are
participating in mock drafts and then otherpublications, the guy that is the consensus
dude at eighteen is Byron Murphy asof right now? Does that feel semi

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accurate? I don't know about consents. I mean, I you know,
I sort of talked about this onthe podcast and we'd a little bit about
it there. That was the hardestpart of this for me, because we
can do what we've been doing andcontinue to talk about the tackles that fit
the side. I mean, weknow this, we know this group,

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and you're splitting hairs to to figureout who those are. The question to
me and that's interesting and put doingan exercise like the big board is well,
where does Murphy fit in there?Is he above one guy not another?
Is he behind all of them?Is he in the middle? Is
he really a dude? How muchdispositional you know, importance matter. I

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mean, this is a Bengals scenethat has found answers at right tackle for
you know, a decent prices inrecent years versus good luck finding a just
truly disruptive three technique. And wesee what they're getting, you know,
Derek Brown just got a contract.We know what Christian Wilkins got. We've

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seen all of these guys. Imean, their numbers are so high,
and so how much does that factorinto that other? So I found that
to be incredibly difficult. So Iwouldn't use the word consensus because I don't
know that you're gonna find consensus onthat inside of the Bengals draft room,
and certainly not across all thirty two. I think that's a really hard thing

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to know. It's it would bethe thing I would be most fascinated by
if I could sit in on themeetings that they're you know doing kind of
as we speak right now, ofsorting out that big board is where does
he fit into to their ideas?Odds of him being there at eighteen are
okay? I mean probably not becauseof what I just said, Because of

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just the positional importance and what thoseguys are getting in. There just aren't
a lot of them. You know. You can make an argument for Johnny
Newton, you could make an argumentfor some second round guys. But because
there aren't a lot, somebody's gonnawant to. He feels like the type
of guy that someone trades up forto hop in front of someone that they

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feel like might take it. Specificallythe Rams, I mean, who are
just dying to find the next airin Donald And would feel like, you
know, Manna from Heaven style,if if you had somebody like Murphy sitting
there and they believed that he couldmaybe be the next air in Donald,
no one is right fill that role, fill that positional role for them,

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you know, and give you somethinglike that. So for that fact,
I think that's what you know,that would be someone that you could see
somebody trading up for just because ofthe scarcity of it. And you can't
know that. I'm to sit hereand wait, there's like three dudes.
One of those three will make theirway to us. Now. His teammate
on the defensive line, to AndreSweat, is a guy who visited the
Bengals, but he's since gotten adui. So you see, does he

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get crossed off just because of thatcrossed off. Here's the thing. No,
he already was known to have theseissues not getting a DWI right.
You know, he didn't weigh inat the Senior Ball. He's had issues
with his weight. There's questions aboutmotivational stuff. You know, he's all

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these reports out now about how he'stalked to teams about his partying, hat
past and all that stuff. Sothat these guys knew that, and these
guys have been boots on the groundin Texas for you. They know exactly
what Tavandre Sweat is and has been. His physical skills and tape when he's
out there giving everything is first roundstuff. So I think the fact that

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you've seen him mostly in the secondor outside the top fifty has been a
reflection of that already. So doesthis push it further down? Sure,
because it's further verification of Yeah,anything you were telling us about how those
days are behind you and you won'thave to worry about that with me right
out the window. Because this isall time stupid decision making. I mean,

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you got three weeks man, Likejust Colin uber Use, anything you
tell your agent to come get,like anything other than that for three more
weeks. So to me, it'sit's okay, you just can't trust this
guy to make decisions, you know, and he's associated with your team.
I don't know that it's a totalcross off, because I think you already

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kind of knew some of that stuff. But yeah, I mean it's it's
any thoughts of a team getting realsquirrely and moving up to round one.
Yeah, those are long, longone, right, Paul Danner. Jinda,
the big board. The big board, by the way, makes me
want all these guys, Like I'malready really indecisive, which is I think
illustrates kind of the interesting position they'rein with where they're drafting, what they

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need and how the draft aligns withwhat they could use. But like,
now, like I want all theseplayers on your big board. This is
tough. That's the problem. Thisis like this is like me going to
a great restaurant but I can onlyorder one thing off the menu. It's
a bit of a It's kind ofa cheesecake factory situation or something. Lot.
I keep thinking about what I don'tget instead of enjoying what I have

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in front of me. You can'tlive life that way. I have lived
life that way for forty sixons.Every time you look at the menu,
you think about you have the instantregret. You can't have many. It
depends on where I'm going, dependson the restaurant that I'm at, depends
if it's a place I dine atfrequently, but if I go to somewhere
out of town that I might notever go again. And I'm looking at
all the things on the menu,and it's like, man, I can

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only really get one of those.I can't help but think about the things
that I didn't get, especially ifsomebody else got the thing that I didn't
get, and then they talk abouthow much they liked it, even if
I really liked what I got.But this is kind of how the draft
works. Now. Would you wouldyou then be the type to angle your
way into that plate, to belike, hey, can you cut me
off piece of that steak? It'sreally good? No? No no no

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no no, you ordered that isyour trade, right, Like you have
regret, work a trade afterwards?Is that? Are you gonna pull that
off? No? Not not reallysogret The regret? Is it that strong
to make you consider crazy thing offof someone else? Is disgusting before oh,
before any food has been touched.Yeah, if you're like, hell

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a slish off a sliver of this, you're having regret. You're talking about
it while they're making it and somebodyelse got it. Be like, hey,
let's talk. Look, do youwant any how about the sides that
I got? What do you thinkmac and cheese? Like? Can I
offer you something to some kind ofideas? When it shows up, you
make a move. Not he's gota half eaten piece of steak. The
draft works like there's somebody else.I'm done talking about the draft. I'm

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talking about your eating habits, yourbig board. Yeah, on big board,
all right, Wennyway, get Paul'sbig board at the Athletic dot com.
It's sixteen minutes after three o'clock.I do want to talk about another
position and wrote, So I broughtout the green highlighter though, oh wow,
some stuff. I didn't know itwas going to be that perfect highlighter.
Oh yeah, why not yellow?Because I didn't have a yellow one.

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And the only highlighter that I couldfind was at Austin's desk, and
it was green, and then hecaught me stealing it. It was the
worst thing. He came out ofthe studio during a break. I know
there's one in heresing his desk lookingfor a highlighter. And now he thinks
I'm like being weird, and soit's a whole big thing now. But
that was in this studio I didn'thave I usually have a yellow one at

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my desk. It's gone. Itwalked away, so I had to steal
loft there. We walked away intoyour recording studio. It is the last
four minutes, absolutely outstanding radio.Seventeen minutes after three o'clock, exactly,
very very hot. He's Paul DannerJunior. He's here till four. We're
here till six. I'm gonna takemy Ladyla Cruz Victory lap. We're gonna
talk about John Caliperry, who wastalked today about leaving the University of Kentucky,

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the title game last night, andan abundance of issues to get to
between now and six o'clock on ESPNfifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station, Cincinnati's
ESPN fifteen thirty Moegger Paul Danner Juniorshere covering the Bengals for the athletic and
planning a baseball practice for later tonight. It's big. I'm just hoping to
avoid me. You know, youbecome not only is this a very dad

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thing, you know you can understandthis, but you know, if you
get into the world of youth sports, you spent a lot of time monitoring
the weather. You know, Likewe were talking on Friday on Hoo day
Light about dads and like watching storms. Like there's something about something about when
you have a kid, you justreally want to watch a storm. Yeah,
saying I'm still on the porch,stand in the garage, drink a

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beer, take it in. I'venever really had an itch to do that
until I was a father. Ithink it's just something that happens out.
It's protective. I don't know whatit is, but like that, and
then this with between baseball and I'mlike sitting here and I'm on the Weather
Channel app like five times today tryingto judge the timing. It's it's not
great. It's not great. Sorryagain, more great radio. It sounds

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it sounds painful. No, it'snot. It'sad in theory will be great.
It's just got to get to thefinish line of getting this practice in,
you know, big game weekend openingdays this weekend, Opening days this
week opening days this weekend for thefirst grade team. So, and you're
the head coach, yes, okay, I'm a product of our entire coaching

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staff. Okay, so somebody hadto emerge as somebody had to emerge to
be the one to hit buttons afew times and deal with the equipment bag
in their trunk. That's really that'slike ninety percent of it. It's just
hauling the equipment background, I understand. Yeah, So that's my life,
very good, well above and beyond. We look forward to updates next week
and how the team did. We'vegot they're gonna have had fun hopefully.

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Well, yeah, that without notabout the results. You're in the first
grade. I'm just saying you said, how the team did well? You're
how did they play? How diddid they have a good time? Did
they enjoy the experience? They didthey learn anything? Okay, I'll bring
you a full report. Please dokeep book. I'll have what am I
gonna do? Have a big boardranking their skill level. I mean,

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I'm just saying it's gonna be fun. You want to come keep book,
I'll come keep book that we mightneed that. I'm here for that.
Yeah, yeah I am. I'ma little bit of a harsh scorer.
So like our our guy in centerfieldlast night for the Brewers. Uh,
you know, there's gotta be somewherebetween error and inside the park home run

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for scoring that like I'll get you, Okay, he chose to die like
the decision was an error. Okay, that was an error in decision making,
So that should be like e DSeighty right, yes, I well,
the thing is, as it wasunfolding, I'm I'm obviously rooting for
him to do what I was yellingfor him not to do. But as

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he's charging in, I'm going don'tdo it, man, No, don't
don't do it. Buddy, You'regonna like this. This isn't going to
turn out well for you. Andas soon as it got behind him,
you knew what was going to happen. It was over. So yes,
it's a home run, and yesit's awesome. No it's not an error,
but I agree with you there doesneed to be some sort of scoring
decision. Yeah, that encapsulates exactlywhat happened there. Yeah, like can

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we just put an asterisk next toit? Like one guy was kind of
a do fist, but it stillcounts one will no one will care later,
but maybe just in the actual boxcars I see. I said to
my wife last night, I go, I want Ellie to lead the league
in home runs and win by one. Yeah, and that's the one.
That's the one. That's the one. You did a Q and A as
you often do a mailbag of sorts. And it feels like over the last

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two weeks this has crystallized a littlebit more for folks. The wide receiver
in the draft where I think ifsix seven weeks ago, when we were
kind of getting into the teeth ofthe off season, if you would have
said, well, the Bengals aregoing to draft a wide receiver early,
I think most would have shaken theirhead. I feel like a lot of
people have come to the understanding,understanding that this is something that is going

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to happen early. As you putit, the receiver pick is coming,
it's coming early, and it makestotal sense. And now I can't wait
to see what they do specifically atthat position, maybe more than any other
acknowledging they have of their needs.Yeah, No, I think it's I
think it's going to be a lotof fun. I think you can start
to, you know, mold thefuture of what's going to happen offensively with

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the type of player that you're goingfor. I've spent a lot of time
doing that, and I have astory. We're doing the full Receiver episode,
Jay and I are tomorrow and Ihave a story coming out in collaboration
with it. Really diving in thisbecause you just take. We talked about
this, somebody take with the givesyou. Okay, So the draft is

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giving you these offensive tackles in thefirst round, and the draft is giving
you an absolute cornicopia of receivers onon day two and they still haven't filled
to Tyler Boyd. Need you know, they still don't really have a slot.
I think you're Charlie Jones is goingto be in competition there, but
you're probably drafting over Charlie Jones andhoping that Charlie Jones reaches leaps to that

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level more than you're doing anything else. You also are thinking about the future
beyond t Higgins. You're also andthis is to me my favorite part of
this decision, how can you makeJamar Chase better? How can you take
Jamar Chase and what he's currently doingand they have used him in a plethora
of different ways. But how canyou take that in and make him more

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explosive? And that includes assuring thathe can move around to really any spot
at any time and not just bethere. And you know, okay,
there, one must be trying oneof those wide receiver screens because they've done
that so much. You know,of all the mass volume top receivers,
like they're all of a certain amountof slot usage, it's just how they're

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used. And Jamar is used moreconservatively in there than almost any I mean,
it's mostly underneath stuff they're trying toutilize yact. But if you can
have somebody who's more of an insideoutside versatile piece alongside him in the Tyler
Boyd role, if you will,you can have more shot plays out up
where you switch them and put Chaseinside, or you move stuff to it

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and try to find more ways touse him, like justin Jefferson is using
Minnesota, which is interesting with youknow, with the new Bengals passing in
coordinator just Er Scotti coming over fromMinnesota. A lot of the things they
did, so I had this,I looked this up today and this will
be in something later, it wasof all those that there's fourteen of these

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high volume receivers two hundred and sixtyplus targets over the last two years,
fourteen of them and if you lookat their slot usage, a targets of
at least twenty plus are yards throwingthem down the field when they're in the
slot. Jamar, it's three percentJustin Jefferson thirty you got like the ideal

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black hit. You use Jamar Chaselike Justin Jefferson, Yeah, okay.
And so having more of a versatilepiece who's in the slot where Tyler Boyd,
you know, in his prime,was doing a little bit of both,
but he was predominant. He wasin the eighty percent range for first
slot. If you can find somebodywho's a little bit more of both ways,

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it allows you to to really,I think, augment what what Chase
can do. And there's a lotof guys that fit that mold here that
you could look at. I mean, Lad McConkey is at the top.
I don't know how he's not probablynot gonna make it to forty nine,
but he's kind of the ideal versionof what we're talking about there. But
there's there's another Ricky Piersoll. Youcould say that about too. There's there's

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a few in that range that thatyou could you see, you know,
ending up in that role in themgoing that and going that direction and all
of a sudden, now the offensecould could feel a little different. Yeah,
since you mentioned Justin Jefferson, shouldI should I be conspiratorial? And
wonder if as an entry point?Yeah, that searches back on. Yeah,

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don't. Yeah, that's it.Yeah, you don't. Don't use
Jamar Chase like Justin Jefferson just acquiredJustin Jefferson, because I promise you there's
a large chunk of the audience that, as you said that, parked up
and said to themselves the exact samething. Yeah, maybe me being one
of them, Yeah, probably wouldn'tcount. I want to ask about a
trade that didn't happen and probably wasnever gonna happen, and then your thoughts

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on a few things that have happenedaround the National Football League, all right
since you were last here. PaulDanner Junior covering the Bengals for The Athletic.
The podcast The Growler is out threetimes a week. The Wide Receiver
episode with Jay Tomorrow tomorrow. Yeah, we're diving in all right, can't
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(21:49):
about an hour ago where he saysthat quote, the fans need to hear
another voice. We loved it here, but we think it's time for us
to step away and step away completelyfrom the pro strongly strongly suggesting he is
leaving UK where he's probably gonna bounceto go be the head coach at Arkansas.
Cyclones play a Kansas City tonight,Jackets play at Tampa Bay. There

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are your sports headlines. Paul DannerJunior iss here from the Athletic. Do
you agree that it was time fora new voice at Kentucky. Yeah.
Yeah, it felt like a divorcethat just kind of had to happen.
I mean, I just don't understandsomebody, So I get it, like
wanting to be somewhere where the fanbase has decided. They just despise you,

(22:32):
right, like just what are westicking around? What are's sticking around?
What are you trying to do?What's the point. Yeah, So
I'm glad that I'm glad that itk it ended up going the right way.
It works out best for all parties. What I'm curious is, you
know there's this tier one of hopefulsthat the Kentucky fans and Kentucky administration won,

(22:52):
Dan Hurley and Natoates and Jay Wrightand Billy Donovan and Scott Drew Who's
on tier too? That's what Iwant to know. Yeah, and will
we ever find out? Yeah,I don't. That's a good question.
I mean in the world of collegesports, though, it seems like it's
a endless bucket of money when youreally need there to be. So I

(23:14):
wonder would that be the case inthe basketball world with a place like it's
not the case in Kentucky, thenwhere is it? Yeah, it'll be
the case. Yeah, So it'llbe a case. So is you know
who? Everybody has their price?Right? Sure, we'll find out.
We'll find out. We'll find outit is. It is fascinating. Last
week, Derek Brown gets a contractextension from the Carolina Panthers and Bengals.

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Fans I looked at on social mediawere crestfallen because they thought the Bengals were
going to trade for him. Yeah. I mean, if you were looking
at a can there's there's a lotof reaching the grasping Straw's portion of the
program because Okay, is there anyway right who is who would it be?
And it'd be he was entering afifth year, he's in a contract

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dispute Carolina, Like they just tradedBrian Burns, maybe they would be willing
to be like, like, wecan't get a deal done here, so
maybe they'll they'll want the receiver,maybe they'll you have to trade t Higgins
or whatever it is. I thinkthat was who's even out, Like,
who could you ever? Is thereany scenario you could see anything maybe happening.

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I think that was one of themaybe if everything fell possibly and then
million Yeah that was that. Okay, Yeah, I mean no, it
was never probably gonna happen. Butand then DJ Reader goes on a on
the k Adams Show and had somecomments about his departure from the Cincinnati Bengals.
What did you make of them thatI'm not super I'm a little surprised

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in the side where Okay, therewas never any communication with him until actual
free agency started. That's a littlesurprising. But like again, I think
everybody ends up surprising how free agencyworks, and it's much harder when you're
an older player, like and soI'm a little you would think he's around

(25:10):
the building every day. Yeah,he obviously has good relationships with these coaches.
He's been pretty vocal that he wantedto be back if possible. You
would have thought maybe not a hey, let's sit down and talk numbers,
but a lot of like keep yourphone on, like will be will be
in contact. The idea of therenot being anything like that. I understand

(25:30):
feeling hurt by shot. Absolutely thatthat's the surprising them. But the fact
that it ended the way it didand went down the way that it did.
Uh No, that I don't thinkthat any of that was necessarily the
surprising side, but more that itwasn't you know, handle better. But
that's stuff that we've heard in thepast. I mean, it's similar to
what John Williams said was he feltvery blindsided by everything the previous year and

(25:52):
it kind of, you know,made him. Is that just sort of
standard operating procedure in the NFL?Yeah? Whether it should is a different
question, I guess, But itjust that strikes me as that's probably in
most cases how it works, unlessunless you're a you know, unless they

(26:15):
have an undeniable interest in get inbringing you back. Yeah, And but
when they don't, you know,they'll typically just kind of let things stand
until they have an idea of wherethey're gonna fall on it. I I
you know, it's hard to sayspecifically how exactly how every team has handled
that kind of stuff, but it'shard. That's why so many feelings end
up hurt when guys go elsewhere,because you just want to feel like it

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mattered more to the team, andit usually doesn't like it usually is just
strictly about business and reconstructing your rosterand all kinds of stuff that makes everybody
uncomfortable. And that's why everybody wasso mad and hurt for dj Reader when
he got hurt. Yes, exactly, that's not how they want it to
end. But I think when thathappened, everybody knew, yes, that's

(27:03):
probably how it's gonna end, right, And no one wanted that, you
know, no one, nobody so, But that's that's when the business side
shows up. That's where we are. Do we cross the Buffalo Bills off
the list of teams that could representthe AFC and the Super Bowl in the
aftermath of these Devon Diggs trade.No, No, they still Josh Allen,
they do, right, So that'sgood. Right, they have extricated

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somebody who was problematic internally. Thereis a loaded wide receiver class incoming.
Josh Allen should be able to raisesome boats. Okay, they can still
use that twenty twenty five second ascollateral to make moves this year if they
want to. They don't have to, you know, they I just I'm

(27:51):
just not gonna If you got thequarterback right like you put some these young
receivers that just keep coming in andtaking over the lead in there with them,
they'll they can find a way toscore plenty of points. Are they
hitting a reset Yeah? I meanI think more than the digs trade.
I look at everything else they've hadto do right as why you would maybe

(28:17):
push them down the list for thesuper Bowl this year but love them for
twenty twenty five. That's the thing. I feel like over the last four
years, when the season has started, you have included them among the teams
that you think could play for thewhole thing. Obviously that didn't materialize.
I don't know if I view themthat way right now, but they're going
to be relevant and if you're goingto hit the reset button having your quarterback

(28:41):
in place, that's a pretty decenttime to hit the reset button. You
mentioned the crop of wide receivers,what they get in terms of draft capital.
I think if they dip, it'sa very brief dip, and a
year from now we're talking about howthe Bills are right back among the list
of contenders in twenty twenty five.I mean, I don't know the lines
on it, and maybe they're outand I haven't seen them or paid attention,

(29:03):
uh to me, the Bills arethe favorite twin the East still.
I mean Miami. Miami has justgot too much weird stuff going on down
there. I mean, just theconstant cycle of coordinators and unhappy players and
things. I mean, are wereally going to say the Jets? No,
I mean, sure, talk aboutyour house of cards. It's not

(29:23):
the Patriots. I bet they're stillthe favorite. Bills are right now slight
favorites. I'm looking at over theDolphins, Buffalo plus one sixty, Miami
plus one seventy, the Jets plustwo forty, and then the Patriots plus
seventeen hundred slight favorites. So Idon't know what that was the last week.

(29:44):
They find a way to win theEast. These young receivers that they're
gonna come away with, probably atleast two from early enough in this draft,
have a full season to develop aroundJosh Allen. I'm not counting anybody
out if they make it to January. I don't you know, I just
I feel like we see too oftena player, usually a very very talented

(30:07):
player, taken away and everyone instantlysays their screw. But when it is
a thing that it has been wearingon everyone in the building, a freedom
that that team plays with afterwards,it's just so natural, especially when you're
have young energy on that offense.Dalton Kinkaid is still there, like they
still have a lot of things theycould do. I'm not I'm not counting

(30:30):
them well. And then they addLayl Collins. Maybe that hurts them.
I just look forward to some Instagramvideos of of his his work that he's
doing. I hope the best forI hope he's feeling healthy and can get
back on the field. Yeah.I look forward to those Instagram videos too.
And then Diggs goes to Houston,who are like the most interesting team
in the league. Yeah, Imean they're going for it, they're using

(30:53):
the they're using the rookie quarter theyshould and that that's look again, the
same conversation here, how's it gonnago with Stefon Dix when he's wide receiver
three down there? I mean takeDell was awesome, right, Okay,
and everyone knows what's going on withI mean, Nico is a real one.

(31:14):
I mean, so now it's great, like they've got a big three
that they're fantastic. You just ismixing gonna be able to bring them what
they want in the running game.Is stefan lightbox talk with Joe Mixon last
week, We've never you know,because he saw zero light boxes here.
Look, I I that's it.That's that's fine. I just think there's

(31:38):
a lot of an older running back, an older receiver. I always get
nervous when that stuff enters any equation, and so I'm not gonna crown them
that said, yeah, take thatout of the equation, give me,
give me Nico Collins and take Delland c J. Stroud and that defense.

(32:00):
Yeah, but not as much becauseof you know, the digsistion is
very nice. Assuming it works out, and they'll probably get a good version
of him, certainly for a year. I would think, yeah, all
right, we don't know, butI think it's fascinating and I can see
what the high end looks like.I could also see I could see it
not worse. Look, but it'sfascinating. Off season champs, right and

(32:21):
yeah, sure always the big moveis just not always often what no you
think it will be when this seasoncomes along. No, I'm not saying
this won't be it, but rightI just think there's more questions in it
than people would would like to talkabout it. Yeah, no question about
that, all right. Twelve minutesaway from four o'clock, Paul Danner Junior
cover the Bengals the Athletic dot Com, The Growler Podcast where you get your

(32:43):
podcasts and on Twitter slash x atPaul Danner Junior. He's here for another
segment. This is ESPN fifteen thirtyCincinnati Sports station. Hey, there minutes
with our friend Paul Danner Junior coveringthe Bengals for the Athletic and then I'm
gonna talk about Ellie Deayler Crew.At four oh five, we have John
Calip, Harry's Farrewell that will playfor you if you don't have an Internet

(33:06):
access, and so much more,and talking about last night's National Championship game,
Connecticut rolling Perdue in the second halfto win the Husky second consecutive national
title under Bengals fan Dan Hurley,Big Bengals Fan, Huge Bengals Fan.
One of my more enjoyable podcasts wasThat's Right Yes, it was after right,

(33:27):
it was after Burrows rookie year thatsummer reached out and he couldn't have
been more excited to come on.Yeah. It was one of those where
you reach out to Yukon like,hey, you think you'd have interest,
and got a direct message from him, not the pr person. He was
like, let's go, I'm here, and we talked for it had been
forty five minutes and he just couldn'tcouldn't get enough Bengal sauce. Yeah,

(33:49):
and it came out when you didthat. He's not one of these like
famous people that like, oh yeah, I like the Bengals. No,
No, he knows his stuff.No, he said, I said,
do you have any photos of Hetalked a lot abouthim and his kids,
going did you have any photos?When you guys went yeah. The one
he chose to sent me was himin front of Paul Brown Stadium, him
wearing a uh three what was itthree Johnson's in a big Willie T shirt?

(34:14):
Remember that one? Like, that'sthat's what he chose. That was
his submitted contributed photo to me.I'm like, that's how hardcore of a
fan he is. He's like,that's deep Dan Horde tells the story when
Dan Hurley was at Rhode Island.His team was at the same tournament site
as you see, and so they'rethey're there, I guess for the off

(34:34):
day, the practices or whatever.And Dan's there doing you know, god
knows what, and Dan Hurley walksup to him and introduces him and starts
peppering Dan with like the most hardcoresort of geeky like draft questions and questions
about dudes low on the depth chart. And Dan's like this guy from Jersey
City. He's a Bengals fan.Yeah, like a hardcore one. Yeah.
No. I have a feeling that, like on their flight back from

(34:59):
Phoenix, he might be throwing ona thrown on the podcast, you know
what I mean. Just got alot of catching up to do on dressing
season, and I bet he's readyto do it. Yeah, no,
no, no, And that's whya lot of people think he's gonna come
to UK because he likes the Bengals. That's it. So there you go,
that's gonna be. That's gonna bethe card that Mitch Barnhart can play.
The Hurly Suite. I can hangout down there for when he comes

(35:20):
for preseason game number one. Thereyou go, there you go. That's
right. Well, you have tHiggins in the sweet weather. That's what
I was gonna say. It'll beright next to the T suite, right
because he's got to do the samething, the same thing as Jesse Baits.
Jesse Bates did have to. That'sthat's pre game number three, though
that's not the first one. Dothey have two home preseason games this year?
Howes it work? Yes? Becausethey have? Yes, Okay,

(35:40):
you address this in your your mailbag. There are a lot of people
who think the Bengals are gonna playoverseas this year. Yeah, probably not.
You don't think that's gonna happen.No, because the NFC teams,
they've been the league has been sending, you know, same conference, not
same division over the last two years, almost across the bar, except for
the Jags, who like do weirdstuff. But like, so this year
is they're not, They're very unlikelyAnd then they could, obviously, but

(36:04):
you'd be very unlikely to see ifit doesn't follow the same path of it
just of it being same conference notthe same division, and that Carolina has
three possible opponents, including the Cowboys, which feels like something. I feel
like when they went the last timeto play the Rams, the football people
knew weeks before it came out,in an effort to kind of set forth
the plan for what it was goingto be like from there. Yeah,

(36:24):
in the original one. I meanI remember the original one doing a story
about how it comes. That wasback in twenty sixteen when they put the
tie. They were against Washington andit was I mean, it was a
big process months and nine months inthe making, and they knew early.
But that was because it was sucha challenge. Then now it's just another
road game, Yeah, because everybody'sdone it. Everybody knows how to handle

(36:45):
these international games anymore, even ifyou're going somewhere new. Uh So it's
you know, they don't know asfar in advance. A lot of work
went into tying the uh at thetime, Washington Redskins. I've said it
many times my favorite result ever thetie. Yeah, the tie that football
game, because all the fans inLondon knew exactly how to handle it.
Yes, basall stood up and kindof clapped and walked right out, no

(37:05):
problems in all. Anyone that actuallymade the trip from America was like wait
what what? And everyone's like,oh, good, see the pub.
The game goes to overtime, andI assured the people sitting in front of
us, uh uh okay, non, this isn't soccer, We're gonna have
a winner. And then ten minuteslater they looked at me like what happened?
Pal was drawn? What I rememberabout the overtime before overtime, going

(37:28):
to the bathroom, and then asI'm walking out of the men's room to
go back in my seat, there'sa guy holding four beers as overtime is
about to start, and I go, where'd you get those? He was
a native and he basically is likethe beer stand, like, wait a
minute, it's overtime and you're stillselling. Like I'm not, they are.
So I walked back to the seatswith four beers, a conquering hero

(37:52):
to watch the Bengals tie. Didyou also walk into what? Oh?
I remember about it as well,the betting kiosks. Yes, that were
all there. This is you know, seven years ago, and I remember
thinking, well, that's gonna bethe future. Yeah, like that,
if that's happening here, that's definitelygonna be happening before too long on our
side and then sure enough, sureenough was that in Tyler Eifert being he

(38:15):
played unbelievable in that game, yeah, and was in as much pain after
that game as I remember. Iremember thinking, God, that is gonna
be a long flight back if youare hurting that bad, because he took
a ton of hits and it wasone of his first games back. I
want to say, yeah, butanyway, weird stories about twenty sixteen games.
The other thing I remember about thatday was Anthony Munhos was there,

(38:37):
and you know, he got deluxeaccommodations, and we were comparing our our
trips home and I said, whenare you flying back? He goes,
I'm gonna fly back on Wednesday?How about you? When I said tomorrow,
I'm going to Amsterdam, and Iinvited him to go with me.
As you would imagine, Anthony Munyosprobably passed no interest in Amsterdam, yeah,

(38:59):
or really anywhere you would be going, no question about. And so
God love him. He looked atme, he goes, I'll be praying
for you. I said, man, that is the coolest thing of all
time. I'm walking around amsterday andthe Hall of Fame or the goat is
you're still standing here today. That'sone of the reasons. Yeah. That
and good friends, all right.Paul Danner Jr. Covering the Bengals for

(39:22):
the The Athletic. Read his workat the Athletic dot com. If you're
a subscriber, get The Beast DameBruglers. Do we know how many pages?
Specifically? I haven't seen it yet. I don't have an early edition,
but it's usually up in the fivehundred page plus draft guide that's out
tomorrow, Paul's Big Board, andthe podcast The Growler, which is the

(39:44):
next episode's out tomorrow with Jay andthen Who day Light with Mark Marschalifu program
Alum on Friday. That's right,and follow Paul on X that's where you
can find me absolutely all right.We have a lot of ground to cover
between now and six o'clock five whenthree seven, four, nine, fifteen

(40:06):
thirty and eight six six, sevenoh two, three seven, seven six
are our phone numbers. I sathere six days ago and I took it
like a champ. Everybody telling methat Ellie de la Cruz was a bust
and that I should wager against himbeing an All Star. And so now
I get my turn to tell thosepeople they were wrong. Next four o'clock

(40:27):
on ESPN fifteen thirty. This isSports. I'm Christine Lacy. John Kella
Perry confirmed today he's leaving Kentucky afterfifteen seasons. Posted his announcement in a
video on x He did not indicatehis next move, which reportedly is the
head coaching job at Arkansas. Connecticutcoach Dan Hurley, asked about the Wildcats
opening, said he plans to staywhere he is and try to win a

(40:51):
third straight national title. First takehost Steven A. Smith, he shouldn't
even consider Kentucky. It's no longera job as once was. John Parver,
he has contributed to the job notbeing what it once will. You
got one title in fifteen years.You got one title since nineteen ninety six,

(41:12):
kN got six. Alabama's Natos tookhimself out of consideration for the Kentucky
job as well. Kentucky freshman RobDillingham told the ESPN's NBA Today he will
enter the upcoming NBA Draft. He'sthe number four prospect in ESPN's draft projections.
In a game that will impact NBAplayoff positioning, Lakers hosts the Warriors
tonight. LA is ninth in theWest Golden State. A game and a

(41:32):
half back intent the Lakers Lebron Jamesand Anthony Davis both listed as questionable.
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