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So the Reds are playing right now and we're counterprogramming
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who has been terrific. And right now the Reds are
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pretty busy today with a lot of draft stuff too.
Kelsey Conway from The Inquirer is going to join us.
She has done her her mock draft. I give her
credit joined us one. Her mock draft came out this morning.
Go read it and then Kelsey's going to join us

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in just about ten minutes, and we are looking forward
to that. Richard Skinner a little bit later on, and
we have seen some of the players who are coming
to schools like UC and Xavier to play basketball in
the transfer portal. What do we make of the collective
halls understanding that programs still have scholarships to fill. Evan
mia Kawa is going to join us, the outstanding college

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basketball analyst at five oh five. We are looking forward
to that. On top of the Reds game today, which
you know last night last night felt like one of
those games that was kind of pulled from last year.
Man defensive mistakes, some that can be looked at and
seen in the box score, others that can't. I have

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no idea what Graham Ashcraft was doing on that ball
that he fielded. I have no idea what jam Or
Candelario was doing standing their stationery in first base. You
cannot get swept by the Marlins. They're in a position
to if they lose this game today, which they are
not in the eighth inning because they lost last night.
You don't want to make too much out of any
one game in April. But if we're going to do

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the thing about how like, you know, the Reds be
cool if they had a winning record going into May
for the first time in forever, well, it would help
to win games in April. And right now they're two
hundred five hundred. They are winning now in the eighth inning,
Elie de la Cruz causing havoc on the base pass
four to two. We will keep you updated. We're going

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to talk about this with Kelsey Conway here in in
just about ten minutes. Duke Tobin talked on Monday, and
you know they say that this time of year pay
very little attention to what comes from teams. Duke like
anybody else in his position, is not going to tip
his hand. He's not going to tell you who he's
gonna pick. But he did let on, and I think,

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quite frankly, he did more than let on to the
fact that he wants more picks. And you can't blame him.
Right in the draft, you've always want as many picks
as possible, but when you only have six, and when
you have the abundance of needs the Bengals have, well, yeah,
you want as many picks as possible. Duke said that
it was not a surprise, So that's kind of out there, right.

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We know that the Bengals. Bengals want picks. Bengals could
use extra picks. Bengals could benefit from extra picks. Duke
toe but has pretty much let it be known. I
want extra picks. Well, you can't just buy them. The
NFL is not just going to give them to you.
You gotta trade, You gotta make a deal, you get
a trade. Okay, what is going to get the Bengals

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back the picks they seek? Well, probably probably a player,
a good player, maybe Jermaine Pratt who has asked for
a trade. Who I think the Bengals want a trade
and who if they don't trade, they're probably gonna cut.
What about Trey Hendrickson. It's interesting, you know, last year

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when there were questions about t Higgins, Duke Tobin was
asked about t Higgins and he made it be known.
T Higgins is not going to be traded. T Higgins
is not for sale. What was the quote, go get
your own wide receiver, that sort of thing. Yeah, was
that used? Okay, Well, this year, just on Monday, two

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days ago, Duke Tobin had a chance to say something
similar about Trey Hendrickson and he didn't. I can only
speak for myself. I am not nuts about the idea
of trading Tray because well, I think he has a
lot of value to this year's team. I have no

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idea what to expect from Miles Murphy and Joseph Osai.
But if you believe, as many do, that they're going
to address edge early, maybe in Round one, with any
number of players, and we'll talk about some of them today,
with both Kelsey and Skinny, well then that would suggest
that maybe a deal is in the works for Trey Hendrickson.

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But when you listen to what was said and paid
attention to what was not said on Monday, you can't
help but think that trading Tray is more of a
distinct possibility than perhaps I don't know a lot of
people would like to think. Again, I'm not nuts about
trading the guy, but it's hard to have it both ways.

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I get an ideal world, somebody would just hand the
Bengals picks for next to nothing, like good picks Day
two picks or at least early Day three picks. Well,
picks like that cost something of value. Hendrickson has value.
And so I'm certainly not a conspiratorial person, and I'm

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not gonna speak out of turn and tell you, well,
this is going to happen. I'm not qualified to do that.
But what I can't do is kind of connect dots
that the guy running the draft says we want more picks.
He didn't exactly come out and say Trey is not available,
and there's a very good chance day draft an edge
rusher early. Okay, I don't know if you're like me

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for the most part. For your say, I hope you're not.
But how are you not entertaining at least the very
distinct possibility that Trey Hendrickson is not going to be
a member of the Cincinnati Bengals. Maybe at this time
on Friday. We'll see. We'll see what Kelsey thinks coming
up here in just a few minutes. By the way,
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fourteen after three o'clock. Reds just made another out on
the base paths, but they'd lead for two going to
the bottom of the eighth inning in Miami over the Marlins.
Will update on that as the afternoon unfolds. But first,

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Kelsey Conway on her mock draft and more. Next on
ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 2 (08:11):
Thirty twenty after three. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moeger,
thank you for listening today. Kelsey Conway covers the Bengals
and which means she's very busy right now covering that
team for the Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com. She has
done her mock draft. Go read it now at Cincinnati

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dot Com. I've a tweeted out a link. I'm here
for you. Kelsey's on Twitter at Kelsey L. Conway and
kind enough to join us. Happy Draft Eve, Kelsey? How
are you?

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Happy Draft Eve?

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Mo?

Speaker 5 (08:44):
I look forward to this chat with you every year,
and I'm looking forward to having it right now.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Well, here we are. It's our annual Draft Eve conversation.
What I like about you is you only do one
mock draft, which is nice.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
You know. I just think that I'm fortunate, and this
is no disrespect to anybody that has to do multiple
of them. But I don't know. Sometimes I think that
when people start doing them in early March, at this point,
they're just picking a random new person that picked them
just to be different. So I try to wait, and

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you know, I've spent a lot of time talking to
people who really know this draft class inside and out,
and I put a lot of weight into what they say,
and I could be completely wrong, but I had fun
putting it together. So I hope people read it. And
if you don't like my picks or you do, I
you know, this is the fun part. We should be

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able to have conversations in debate and mock drafts. So
I'm just happy mock draft season's over.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, you and me both. So I want to talk
about some of the players you have them taking. You've
got them with the seventeenth overall pick, taking Georgia Edge,
Mikel Williams. And when I see Edge in the first round,
I think of edge rusher Trey Hendrickson. If take Mikel Williams,
what does that mean for Trey?

Speaker 5 (10:04):
So I was asked this earlier today. I don't think
it means anything other than the Bengals have a glaring
need at this position. I checked in on the situation
regarding the Bengals and Trey Hendrickson yesterday, anticipating this would
probably be something you and others would ask about.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
And I was.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
I asked if a trade was expected, and the response
I got from a source that I trust close to
the situation, responded and said doubtful, but you never know,
and that that tracks with basically everything that I've learned
about the situation with the Bengals and Trey and that

(10:48):
we heard from Duke Tobin this week. You can never
say never on draft weekend, just because these these weekends,
you know, never go how anybody expects. Last year, the
Bengals did receive about Trey, but that was a different
situation because they didn't have a three week period where
they could have shopped him like they did this year.

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The Bengals had several teams call them about Trey Hendrickson
before free agency, right when the Bengals allowed him to
seek a trade. They didn't move him, then, I have
no reason to believe they would then be more inclined
to move him after they didn't really do anything to
address the position in free agency. And that's where I'll

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leave it. I think that if the Bengals had plans
to move Trey, they would have moved him already because
the draft capital that they would have gotten I think
would have been more significant at that point, and I
think they probably would have had to sign at least
another one year type of contract with an edge rusher.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
So everything you just said makes sense and it comes
from a place of information. But here's where my brain
sort of starts, I don't know, running wild. I watch
Duke Tobin and he talks about it'd be great to
have extra picks, and he's asked about Trey Hendrickson and
he's very lukewarm, like he didn't he doesn't say definitively
we want Trey. We're keeping Tray, We're not trading Trey.

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And so I go, wait a minute, he wants more
picks and he's not He's not exactly saying that he's
not going to trade Tray. So maybe to get extra
picks he's going to trade him. So you're telling me
that maybe I should pipe down a little bit.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
I hear you, and your logic makes sense where I
think you should put this into your head. Also, is
there's another side to it. So the Bengals, I think,
are airing on the side of they don't want to
say too much or too little about Trey because you know,
Katie Blackburn's comments forced Trey to want to go on

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Pat McAfee and express his frustration. So I think they're
just airing on a side of caution when it comes
to questions about Trey, which I understand. But in my
in my response to what you just talked about, they
need some one to give them picks. And everything I've
read about this drafts is that so many teams want

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to trade back, and right now nobody's biting on it.
So while the Bengals sorely want to add picks, who
is giving them what they want for Trey Hendrickson if
they weren't giving that a month and a half ago.
So I just look at it as it's great that

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they want more picks, But when push comes to shove,
and let's say, for example, their top two prospects they're
on the board, are they really willing to wait? And
you're talking about a franchise that you know, Mo, you've
been covering them along a lot longer than me, Like
they don't move, And so I have a hard time
believing that they would just be willing to say, yeah,

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I think we can wait this one out five picks
just because we want, you know, an extra third round pick.
The Bangalas have made it clear they want a premier pick.
Portray Hendrickson, and whether that's a first round pick or
a second round pick, we don't know yet. But I
just have a hard time believing that they would get

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the capitol in return that they would want. It doesn't
mean that they don't want to move back or to
trade him or to acquire more picks. I just don't
think they're going to get it because this draft is
loaded at the edge position, so a team could just
you know, get an edge rusher and just say, well,
you know, we tried for Trey, but you know, we

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feel really good about this guy, and we're just going
to roll with him.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Kelsey Conway of the Cincinnati Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com
is with us. When I read about your round two pick,
I felt like you were writing specifically to me because
you have them taking Xavier watch the safety from Notre Dame,
And in the first sentence of your explanation for the pick,
you right, I know you want to guard in the
second round if the team doesn't select an offensive lineman

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in round one. In the first round, Like I read that,
I'm like, what, Kelsey just could have sent me the text.
She just could have sent me an email. She just
could have called me and said that I felt like
you were writing at me. So that's fine, We're going
to take Xavier Watts. Obviously there's the Al Golden connection.
I want to know this. If they take him in
round two forty nine overall, is he the Week one starter?

Speaker 6 (15:23):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Yes, So I went safety there only because of Xavier Watts.
So I checked in with a number of sources around
the league that have watched the offensive lineman in this
prospects class, and what I heard is it's not that deep.
So I know I'm taking a little bit of a
gamble with that being said, and taking one in the

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third round. But everything I heard about Dylan Fairchild, who
I picked in the third round, seems like an absolute
ideal fit for the Bengals, with his wrestling background, his
familiarity with a Marius Mims, who's very much viewed league
wide as a player on the rise, So I know

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people might not know his name and be unfamiliar with him.
I talked to a couple of people and they all
brought him up as someone that they view in high regard.
So that allowed me to really be able to take
the best player on the board in the second round.
And I had Xavier Watch because it's just you brought
up the connection, but it immediately upgrades your secondary And

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as I wrote in my story, the Bengals when they
were at their best in twenty twenty one, they were
an opportunistic defense. It took the ball away. They weren't
the best defense, but they were opportunistic. They've very much
missed that aspect of their game. And if there's one
thing Watch does is he forced his turnovers. He has
the connection to Golden He's sitting right there for you.
You know, you might be able to get fair Child,

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or you know there's a guard out of West Virginia
that I'm hearing good things about too. You might be
able to wait it out for the third round. So
that's my just best case scenario dropped for the Bengals
because they fit, you know, probably three of their biggest needs.
Will it happen, I don't know, Probably not, but yeah,
I just I went with it.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Did you consider Tate Ratledge?

Speaker 5 (17:17):
I did, But what I heard about Fairchild made me
think that he might be in the Bengals offense. And
you know, I specifically asked that to the people that
have watched this class in an offense it's going to
drop Burrow back forty to fifty times a game. Who
is best suited for this? And Fairchild came up more

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than Ratledge. That's not to say that Ratledge isn't going
to be awesome if the Bengals take him. Fairchild was
just more common and more of the grades that I
saw in him were a third round grade. So that's
why I took him, all right.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Makes the thing with Fairchild that's interesting to me is
is people talking about his lack of experience. He started
twenty four games in the SEC, Like that's not nothing.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
I know, the whole inexperiencing is. It's weird to me
because that's what you just said. A lot of big
time games in the best conference in football, you could say.
And I think that also. The other thing people said
was he battled through some injuries, but he played every game.

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And you know, I mean you've talked about this a
number of times, like the Bengals need an offensive lineman
and a guard who like they can't wif on this one.
And I think he texts a lot of boxes in
football character it's important to him. He's tough. So that's
why I think I went I went back to that

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one and felt really good about that. And keep in
mind Dan Pitcher doesn't go to many proteins. He was
at Georgia Pro Day, so that's significant.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
You talked about character and off fields stuff, and you
know that's been brought up as it relates to Mike
Green at Marshall. It's been brought up as it relates
to Walter Nolan for entirely different reasons. With with Nolan,
I think there's a lot of folks who wonder, like,
is he really all about ball so to speak? Do
you think those concerns could take those players off the

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board for the Bengals if they're available at seventeen?

Speaker 5 (19:23):
No, because when I because Walter Nolan's been a very
interesting figure to me because when I first started really
digging into the draft of at the Senior Bowl, he
was the guy that I was like, Oh, this is
like no doubt, like totally going to be their pick.
When I asked about him specifically and his character stuff,

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it was a he if he goes to the right place,
the right support staff around him, I think it will
work because he has the talent to be a Pro
Bowl caliber player. So I asked, well, do you think
that the Bengals would have any fear in taking a

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player with character. They said, well, a lot of this,
A lot of the guys in this year's class defensive
linemen have some sort of character red flag. I mean,
you're looking at my Green, James Spears, Junior, Walter Nolan.
You know a couple of these guys do have some
red flags. But the red flag concern with Nolan is

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isn't to the level of Jermaine Burton. From when I
gathered and talking to people, So if that makes anybody
feel any better, it's it's a different situation than Burton.
I'm not quite sure what exactly the concerns are, other
than people just you know, want to know if he
really if it's really that important to him. Everything I've

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heard about Nolan is if they get him in the
right situation and they support him off the field, they
think that they can get him, you know, going in
the right way. So what where that leaves them, I
don't know, but I know that I mean, I sound
like Duke Toben saying this, but I truly do think
it's like a case by case basis, and his character

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stuff is different than Burton's was at this point because
last year, I mean I had I had talked to
people that were at other teams that said Burton wasn't
even on their draft board. So the Bengals definitely took
a flyer on Burton that a lot of teams had him,
you know, they were they're so uncomfortable with his character
stuff that they took him off their board. And the Bengals,

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you know, took him. So that that leads you to
believe that they think that they have a great culture
and they can get these guys going when they get there.
Didn't quite work out that way last year, but we'll see.
But I think Nolan is is a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Makes sense. Well, I know you're going to be very
busy over the coming days. We call you on Friday
just to take your thoughts on round one and look
ahead to rounds two and three.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
You can call me on Friday if I can leave
this conversation asking you who you would be the most
happy with you now, you don't do moss dressed, but
who you would be the most happy with on Friday
when we talk? How about that I turn the table
on you.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
So you want me to tell you now?

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yes, all right.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
He's the people what they want, though.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I want Tate ratligid forty nine. That's what I want,
Tate ratleigid forty nine. I don't want to wait till
the third round to address guard. I know it's deep,
but I value that position and keeping Joe Burrow upright
and not playing with fire on the offensive line that
if he's there at forty nine, I know I'm pushing
safety lower in the draft. I know we're pushing linebacker

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deeper in depending on what happens in round one. That's
what I want the most. I know that flies in
the face of what you've done, and the Xavier watch
thing makes total sense. And I'm the guy that doesn't
want to watch Geno Stone play anymore. But I want
RATLEDGID forty nine. You can steer me in a thousand
different directions in round one. I'm kind of on the
Derek Harmon train. But if you want to fling it

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back to safety and go Malachi Starks or Emon Worry
from South Carolina, I'm good there. Michel Williams, I understand
that Mike Green kind of scares me. There is the
character stuff. I'm also a little scared by the small
school stigma. Maybe that's not fair because he did play
well against Ohio State. But my wish list in terms

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of like player I want in a certain spot really
starts in round two with Tate Rallige.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
Okay, that's interesting.

Speaker 7 (23:37):
Well, I know of that.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
You probably have to get to commercial, but since you
brought him up, I will tell you because I think
you'll find this interesting. One of the sources that I
spoke to said that Malachi Starks was their highest graded
player of every single player they graded last year. So
I'll let you ponder that.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I just like the fact because the guests never ask
me questions, so usually the guests can't wait to get
done with the conversation. It's like I've given you my
eight to ten minutes, can now. I like it when
the guests asked me questions. So we'll call you on Friday,
and then we look forward to that and then you know,
you get some some free time, and you know we'll
perhaps see you at some point during your your May

(24:21):
and June where you're not doing nearly as much. Maybe
on a on a on a weekday night somewhere. I
don't know, we can discuss, but I appreciate the time
as always.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
All right, thanks so much for having me on though.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
You're the best. Kelsey Conway, The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com.
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Speaker 2 (26:41):
You're women's golf team one of six consecutive Biggies Championship
on Monday afternoon, and now they're advancing to the NCAA Tournament.
The Musketeers will compete at the Ohio State University Golf
Course in the NCAA Regional may fit through seven, so
they get the chance to stay close to homes six
consecutive Big East Championships. The head coach, as she did

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last year, joins us on the I think the day
it was the same last year, right, It was the
day that we found out where our program was going
to go in the NCAA tournament. The selection show was
just about two and a half hours ago. So we're
doing it again. Brianna Jenko is with us. Coach, congratulations,
thank you for joining us. How are you?

Speaker 7 (27:23):
I'm doing great, Meal, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Sixth consecutive Big East Championship. Every championship is unique, every
team is different. What was different about this one?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
This one?

Speaker 9 (27:35):
We've been really deep this year and been super competitive
just to get in the lineup and stay in the lineup.
And I think that really paid off for us when
it came pressure time to try to add a six
to our portfolio here.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
I mean, you know, you don't take a championship for granted,
it's the most in conference history, but like now, you
go recruit, you bring players in. The standard is really
really high.

Speaker 9 (28:01):
Yeah, and that's been something we've talked about a lot.
Is I want players to understand you don't just get
these championships by putting on the uniform. Like everybody before
them has worked really hard.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
To get that done and to keep it going.

Speaker 9 (28:13):
And they've got to come in and match that work
ethic and try to find a way to set the
bar even higher.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
All Right, you've got a full team. I do want
to single out one of your players. M Welch, second
golfer in conference history to win an individual title more
than once. She's five career top ten finishes, two tournament victories,
now the twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five Biggiest Champion.
What makes her special?

Speaker 10 (28:37):
She is super.

Speaker 9 (28:39):
Talented and you know, these last two years she's really
shown that she can show up for these big moments.
And I was really impressed this year with some of
the shots that she pulled off and in that final round,
and how confident she looked all the way around the
golf course in executing shots like that. And she's she's

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always been a player that does some special things with
the putter, and she'd struggled with the ball striking a
little bit earlier in the spring, and man, did it
look good in the practice round and that carried right
into our rounds this weekend. And she really you know,
when she comes together with the ball striking and you
put that on top of the way she's able to putt,

(29:20):
it's a special combination. And obviously she showed it with
back to back conference medalist honors.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
How does a player of her caliber from Minnesota end
up in Cincinnati, Well, for.

Speaker 9 (29:32):
A Minnesota kid, we're a little south, so that's helpful.
But she also grew up right around JP mcura, so
that probably helps us out a little bit too, having
known that his name from that state and then following
him here to Xavier.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
But both her and her.

Speaker 9 (29:51):
Sister were golfers, and her sister was older, so they
had been through the process once and I think they
had a pretty good idea of what they were looking for.
They were really impressed with our facilities and so it
all work out.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
By the way, the final margin of twenty three strokes
the largest margin of victory in the Big East since
the two thousand and three Conference Championship. The Musketeers will
play may Fit through seventh in Columbus. How and this
is a stupid question, I get it, but I do
have folks who are wondering, how does the NCAA tournament work.

Speaker 9 (30:24):
So for golf, you get qualified for the NCAA Regional
and there are six regional sites. In the top five
teams from each we'll go on to the national Championship.
So there's just thirty teams represented at the actual national Championship.
So everybody has to compete through this regional stage to

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go on to that, and we have not been there yet.
So that is next next goal on our list here
is to find a way to make some noise at
regionals and try to be one of those teams that
advances onto the national champ.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Being chap well, can you tell me about the course?

Speaker 9 (31:04):
Ohio State's course is a is a really good one.
It's a good challenge. I would expect U scores to
be a little higher than potentially other locations that we've
played at in the past, but it has a lot
of the same features that our home course here at
Makatiua has. The ruff will probably grown up this time
of year. You know, the Midwest rough conditions can be

(31:28):
pretty brutal, and we've had good, rainy growing conditions here
this spring, so I would anticipate some challenging rough. The
greens out there are interesting too, and I know there's
pin locations where you're kind of aiming in spots you
wouldn't necessarily think that you want.

Speaker 7 (31:45):
To aim for those pins. So those are things that
we'll talk about. We've been fortunate to have played some some.

Speaker 9 (31:52):
Golf out there before we've I've coached at that course before,
I played in it when I was a player here.
And then Madison Reader, who is in our top five.
She is from Ohio, so she's played at a time,
she's tried to do US Open qualifiers at it. So
I think we'll have a pretty good feel of what
to expect at that course.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
I know I asked you this when you join me
a year ago. You mentioned your your playing career at Xavier,
wound up your playing career in twenty thirteen and jumped
instantly into coaching, went to Akron for a year and
then came back and you've been the coach at Xavier
ever since. Obviously some time has passed, But what is
it like when you're the head coach of a program

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and your players are i'll say close to your age.
I'm sure maybe you were coaching some former teammates. What
was that like?

Speaker 9 (32:42):
Yeah, that first year I was back coaching the girl
that was a senior now was a freshman when I
was a senior on the team.

Speaker 7 (32:53):
So that was definitely a challenge.

Speaker 9 (32:55):
I think probably the hardest challenge I had that first
year was to step into coaching role with her instead
of you know, being pretty good friends with her.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
I mean, she ended up being in my.

Speaker 9 (33:06):
Wedding and everything, so that was an interesting dynamic. But
I couldn't have asked for a better person to be
in that position, because she did an awesome job of
you know, we kind of put the barricade up for
a year and I said, you know, I got to
be your coach. I need that respect from you, and
then I'd love to go back to being friends after that.

Speaker 7 (33:26):
And she was.

Speaker 9 (33:27):
She handled it awesome and she was a great kind
of side kick and leader for us that first year.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
So it was interesting.

Speaker 9 (33:33):
And I think, you know, Michayla Smith, who was a
freshman that year, would tell you that in her mind,
I got a lot easier as a coach as the
years went on, because I think that first year I
was so nervous of not having the respect that I
needed to be the coach that I kind of really
put the barricade up and.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
Said, like, no, you can't talk to me like I'm
your friend.

Speaker 9 (33:54):
You know I'm your coach and I need to get
that respect from you all and make sure you unders stand,
you know, my position in this whole thing. But I'm
sure they appreciated kind of having that mentor.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
Role from me as well, having been there and done.

Speaker 9 (34:09):
That and been in their shoes and not that long ago.
I mean now as I age, I'm kind of like
I'm getting so far removed from how things were when
I was here, and the college landscape in athletics is
really changing, so it's almost becoming foreign to how it
was when I played.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
You. You mentioned you guys practice at mctewah. Do like
morons like me ask if like you can get them.

Speaker 9 (34:31):
On you know, I don't know. We could probably talk
to Dave bar about that at some point, but yeah,
they they have been such a good partnership for us,
and I attribute a ton of our success to them
and the facilities that.

Speaker 7 (34:47):
We're able to offer to our players. I think that's,
you know, a huge drawing piece.

Speaker 9 (34:52):
For our players, and then it's also a huge piece
of what we're able to do to help them develop
while they're here.

Speaker 7 (34:58):
I mean, if you don't have the facility.

Speaker 9 (35:00):
To help them develop, you can put all the knowledge
into your head that they want, but they really need
to be able to get the reps and be able
to see the ball land and you know, react the
way that it will on a golf course. And that's
what makes their practice facilities so special and we're so
fortunate to have access to that.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Well, have a great postseason, have a great NCAA tournament,
and then you know, if if at some point during
the summertime you're like, let's let's bring that radio guy
out here, I will say, yes, okay, okay, no problem,
We'll make it happen. Congratulations and row. It's remarkable. Best
of luck up in Columbus in a couple of weeks.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
All right, thanks.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Brandon Jenko is the women's golf coach at Zeta University.
Six consecutive Biggies championships will play in their NCAA tournament
regional at the Ohio State University Golf Course starting on
May fifth. Congratulations to a coach Jenko and her players.
Congratulations to the Reds. They didn't get swept by the
Marlins five to two the final score today. Reds win

(36:01):
on getaway day. They're off to Colorado.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
You don't like to attach terms like must win to
you know, a game on April of twenty third, but
today felt like one you have to have. Right, Like
we've we've done the whole thing about you know, this
large stretch of games against teams that don't have winning records.
This is something we talked about on Monday. After they
score twenty four runs, right, the next twenty games we're
gonna be against teams that at the time had losing records,

(36:25):
starting with the Marlins. You're not gonna win all of them.
Maybe you're not gonna win every series. But if you're
gonna do the whole thing about how you gotta you gotta,
you gotta make a dent, you gotta make a move
here in these twenty games when you're playing not great teams.
The best way to do that is to not start
that stretch at ozh to three. Fortunately they avoid that.
Brady Singer was good today. Austin wins was good today.

(36:46):
The Reds win five to two. Richard Skinner is always good,
he joins us. In twenty minutes. It's four o'clock on
ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
This is sports.

Speaker 11 (36:55):
Un Christine doesn't look like the Celtics. We'll have forward
Jason Tatum on the floor for Game two of their
NBA first round playoff series tonight. He's doubtful against the
Magic with a bone bruise in his right wrist. Boston's
up one game to none. A little more than twenty
four hours away from the start of the NFL Draft,
and one of the biggest questions remains, where will quarterbacks

(37:17):
you Dors Sanders, who's received a great deal of criticism,
be drafted.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
The Steelers would be ideal for him.

Speaker 11 (37:24):
ESPN. NFL front office insider Mike Tannenbaum Jador.

Speaker 12 (37:27):
Standers is a really good quarterback. I think he can
come in and start right away. And if I'm Pittsburgh Jay,
I'm in a must get quarterback mode because if you're
the Steelers, you have to come out of Tomorrow night
with the quarterback of your future because you're really out
of options beyond Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Steelers have the twenty first pick.

Speaker 11 (37:45):
Rudolph and Skyler Thompson are the only qbs currently on
Pittsburgh's roster.

Speaker 7 (37:49):
Freshman CJ.

Speaker 11 (37:50):
Carr and sophomore Kenny Minshee will compete for the starting
quarterback job at Notre Dame this summer. Cincinnati transferre Dylan
Mitchell's committed to Saint John's adds valuable frontcored depth for
the Red Store with his versatility.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
And two way ability.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
How it's a.

Speaker 13 (38:06):
Residence super Bowl Chap Chris Kenny coming on Thursday. It's
Draft Day, and I'll tell you exactly what teams should
do if they want to win in twenty twenty five.
It's unsports been like we think one in that's six
right here on ESPN Radio, ESPN two and ESPNU.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
If that's check, enter it now, check check check what's up?
Mulllegger ESPN fifteen thirty. Richard Skinner is going to be
with us in twelve minutes, and when he is, he'll
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percent off any roof Brendiman and Jones on Baseball later
on this hour plus. I want to make an imaginary bet,
and I don't want the Bengals to trade Trey Hendrickson.
We'll see if they do. I am a little bit
too conspiratorial. I guess to dismiss what was said and
not said on Monday, but I'm gonna use the Cleveland Browns.

(39:05):
I'm gonna make an argument for the Cleveland Browns that
we will apply to the Bengals if if they take
an edge rusher in round one that coming up here
in just a bit, also one hour from right now.
If you're a ucer Xavier fan, specifically, if you want
to know how is my team done? In the portal,
Evan Miakaw was gonna tell us the outstanding college basketball analyst.

(39:28):
He's gonna be with us at five oh five Reds
win five to two on a getaway day in Miami.
Brady Singer. Red's got what they needed from Brady Singer today.
He has been mostly pretty good. Six innings of a
four hit, two run ball, did not walk anybody, struck
out eight. The bullpen today was good. Bullpen today was solid.
Bullpen has been kind of leaky here recently. Ian Jabo,

(39:51):
Tony Santien, and Amelia Pagan good enough today. The offense
came mainly from Austin Wins. A home run in the
third inning tied the game at two, and then he
had a run scoring double in the ninth that gave
the Reds an insurance run. Cincinnati wins five to two.
Let's hear from Austin. Austin Wins. Austin Wins was with

(40:11):
the Reds last year? Did you even know that? Chances
are he did in a very very small amount of time.
Austin batted three to sixty eight in twenty appearances. This year,
he's batting five hundred. He has three home runs this season.
Prior to this season, he had thirteen in his big
league career. He has a career two thirty eight hitter.
Austin Wins is thirty four years old. Maybe not a
big part of this team's future. But one of the

(40:34):
things that makes baseball fun is you can have like
these sudden bursts of production from guys who become temporary
but important heroes. Austin wins one of them. Here he
is after the game on the FanDuel Sports Network.

Speaker 14 (40:48):
Only the fifth Red in a two game span app.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Nine or more hits. It's a long history for the Reds. So, yeah,
what's going on with you right now?

Speaker 8 (40:56):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Man?

Speaker 15 (40:56):
I think just going in with a good game plan
and like talking to the hitting coaches like yeah, it's
just sticking with it, man, and just being having a
pro bat, just put it in a barrel of.

Speaker 14 (41:04):
The ball, putting yourself into the Red's record book like that.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I'm special?

Speaker 14 (41:09):
Can that be when you look back?

Speaker 3 (41:10):
You know?

Speaker 15 (41:10):
That's hey, my lie, it's pretty incredible. I had no idea.
That's pretty cool. So cool stat for sure, we.

Speaker 14 (41:17):
Talk about your hitting, but how much did pitching win
this game today?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Huge?

Speaker 15 (41:21):
After a singer guy basically punched in the face right
there on that homer, he answered back, and we had
good defense and we shut the.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Door right there.

Speaker 15 (41:31):
From that point on and on, both sides, like again,
Sandy's he's nasty.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
He's nasty. So we came out.

Speaker 15 (41:40):
We needed an answer back after our two losses too,
So like now we have a happy flight going in
to the off day and going into Colorado.

Speaker 14 (41:47):
First Singer, at one point, you've retired twelve in a
row stretches like that, and he was working, I mean
he was painting, working it up and down, in and out.
How close was he to textbook and stretches of the
game today?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Oh he was. He was doting, he was spinning it.

Speaker 15 (42:02):
He was two seeming it, front hipping, cutting it like
he was doing it. And we were talking every inning
on what works, what feels good, and like again after that, Homer,
we answered back and we shut him down from there.

Speaker 14 (42:17):
You mentioned a better flight. You lose the series, but
how important could just salvaging a game like this be
going forward?

Speaker 2 (42:23):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 15 (42:24):
You said, salvage this game moving forward, enjoy good off day,
and then let's take it to Colorado.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
You know what I mean? Thirty four year old journeyman
catcher Austin wins with Jim Day on the FanDuel Sports Network.
He is now, you know, he obviously had a huge game,
and the numbers are skewed because Baltimore was using some
position players, but he went six for seven in the
twenty four run game. On Sunday he went three for four.
Today's now nine for his last eleven. By the way,

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he's been pretty good behind the plate. He's thrown out
forty percent of the runners who have tried to steal
against him. If you're wondering the league average this year,
Austin wins the big hero today along with the pitchers.
Here is Terry Francona. Also in the FanDuel Sports Network
after the.

Speaker 14 (43:08):
Game, how much did pitching win this game for you?

Speaker 10 (43:11):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (43:12):
Man, Brady Singer was so good, and you know, he
got to a point where we think he.

Speaker 8 (43:17):
Was at eighty eight maybe, and he was he was.

Speaker 16 (43:22):
Like kind of politican to go back out, and I
just didn't feel like, if you know, I hate to
bring somebody into a dirty inning, and the way he
pitched the I just thought, Okay, let's give Jabola clean inning.

Speaker 8 (43:36):
And I'm glad it worked out because he probably had.

Speaker 14 (43:40):
A little bit left when he's going as good as
he was in the stretches of the game.

Speaker 8 (43:43):
But is he almost textbook. The way he's pitching. What's
so nice about it?

Speaker 16 (43:47):
He's hard to run on because you know they want
to run on everybody. But he's so quick to the
plate and when he's pumping strikes.

Speaker 8 (43:54):
Yeah it, then you got to beat him. He doesn't
beat himself. How good is your catching situation?

Speaker 17 (43:59):
Right now?

Speaker 8 (44:00):
I'm gonna tell you something.

Speaker 16 (44:01):
I mean, you know, when when Stevenson got hurt and
we want him back. Don't get me wrong, but I mean,
what these two guys have done is been above and beyond.

Speaker 14 (44:11):
The add on runs I mentioned, particularly that fourth run.
You know, Ellie, at times this is not doing much
at the plate and then all of a sudden manufacturing
or run out.

Speaker 8 (44:20):
How pleasing is there?

Speaker 16 (44:21):
You know? And they scored on that run, I think,
And then there's probably more.

Speaker 8 (44:25):
There's two guys I think score on that in all baseball.

Speaker 16 (44:28):
The other one's Mookie Bets. But and there's probably somebody
else that I'm forgetting. But I mean, that's that's pretty
special that play right there.

Speaker 8 (44:36):
I'm talking about the catching situation. I think that hitting
numbers speak for themselves when comes to win the lot.

Speaker 14 (44:41):
The last couple of starts with behind the plate, how much?

Speaker 8 (44:45):
How much has he contributed to the pitching side of things?

Speaker 16 (44:47):
Both both of our guys have They've been there very
well prepared. I mean, Travino's as prepared as anybody I've
ever seen, and I've been around some really really good ones.

Speaker 8 (44:57):
But they both do a good job. They put down
good fingers. Honestly, guys is putting a great numbers at
the plate.

Speaker 14 (45:04):
But what have you seen from him that's that you
feel like he's working so love.

Speaker 16 (45:07):
For well, I mean, he's he's he's so confident of
the plate. He should be goodness hitting everything in sight.
Just he's playing good baseball though, that's you know, he's
plays situational baseball. He tries to move the runner when
he needs to, gets an account where he can maybe
do something, and he takes a bigger swing.

Speaker 8 (45:26):
He plays a game.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
That's Terry Francona after his team's five to win over
the Miami Marlins. He you heard him reference. He talked
about the catching and Jose Travino has been terrific defensively.
He's very easy to run on. He also caught Alexis
Diaz the other night and that didn't help the numbers.
But Austin Wins has been better behind the plate. Both
have been good offensively. And yes they want Tyler Stevenson back,

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and yes they should carry three catchers. He referenced there.
You heard him answer a question about Elie dela Cruz.
In the eighth inning, the Reds are up three too,
needed an insurance run, and if he didn't see it
or hear it, Ellie let off with a single. He
stole second, He took third on a ground ball to
shortstop h and then with the infield in, Jamber Candelario

(46:11):
hit a groundball to Otto Lopez, the second baseman Miami
second baseman was playing in. Ellie takes off, took off
at the crack at the bat. There's only one player
you would want to do that on the team. You
heard Terry francona mention, maybe in all of baseball too.
And I know Blake done his fast but hard pass
on that one. They tried to get him at the plate.

(46:32):
It was close, they reviewed it, he was safe, They
confirmed the call. It's the kind of run, the kind
of thing that pretty much only Ellie de la Cruz
can do. You know, we wanted to hit more. We
want him to hit more. Home runs. We want to
hit for power and drive in runs. But you know
he could also create havocman. He almost single handedly created

(46:52):
a run with the hit, the steal, taking third on
the ground ball, and then he scores on a ground
ball to the second baseman. The Reds would end up
running themselves out of the inning and h kind of
killing a chance to blow the game kind of open there.
But to go from three to two, four to two
basically because of the speed of Ellie Dela Cruz on
a ball hit to second base that no one even
dares run on, an awesome play, a big run and

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a big win, five to the final score in Miami.
More on that here a little bit later on Brendemant
and Jones, possibly on baseball coming up in just about
thirty five minutes. But first from Local twelve our buddy
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how's it going. It's going well, mo.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
I'm sitting in the parking lot at Saint Javier High
School's baseball stadium about the broadcast of Saint Xavier Moler
Baseball Wow with Moler's finest one, Zion Theophilis as LSU
commit on the mound. I'm sure they'll be Major League
Baseball scouts here. I'm looking very forward to it, looking forward.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
To the draft to very cool and you should have
good weather for it tonight as well, which is most important.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yes, we should.

Speaker 10 (48:43):
That hasn't happened good season.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I hear that now, correct? Me if I'm wrong. You've
done three mock drafts. Correct, That is correct.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I'm doing my last one tonight and posting it in
the morning the finale. So the ones I did, I
did them all in one week, right before I took.

Speaker 10 (48:59):
A week of they came.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
So I did one where they kept the six picks right,
and then I did one where okay, I'm gonna let
the simulator offer me trades, and I took a trade
offer there, traded with the Texans. I traded down to
twenty five and got a extra couple third round picks
out of that. And then I did one We're just
just take the new corraption of what can I get
if I trade Trey Hendrix vision. On that one, I
got a second, third and a fourth round pick from

(49:22):
the Lions. That that one was interesting to me because
I thought, I'm just gonna keep asking to see what
they do, and they use the jim you know, the
Jimmy Johnson trade chart most people do. They try to
stay true to that. So I kept thinking, I think
I'm getting a steal here, and this doesn't seem right,
but okay, if you want to give it to me,
I'll take it. So I'll do one tomorrow, one tonight.
That's just going to keep the six rounds until they

(49:42):
until they make whatever trades they may make.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
So three point zero was my favorite one because it
was the most interesting because I had, if I looked
at this correctly and I got it in front of me, now,
I had five picks between number twenty five and number
one oh two, trading Trey Hendrickson. So sign me up
for that now. But what's interesting about what you did
is you had the Bengals with nine picks. There's not

(50:06):
a defensive tackle in the mix.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, And that's the thing, and I probably aired on
not doing that later in that particular draft. And I
know Walter Nolan's a nice name. I know Harmon's a
nice name. In the first round, there are some other guys.
I mean, there's twenty tackles from Dan Brugal or grated
fourth round or better, and you would think, Okay, that
seems like a spot to get somebody. I just can't

(50:30):
pull the trigger, at least in the first round. I
probably should have pulled the trigger one other round with that.
But listen, you brought back BJ Hill, you signed TJ. Slaton,
you spent second round capitol last year on Chris Jenkins.
You spent third round capitol last year on McKinley Jackson.
In a perfect world, and you're gonna probably have to
go get a veteran to be an extra body. Your
rotation is Slayton and Jackson at noseguard, Jenkins and Hill

(50:53):
at technically free technique or the other tackle, whatever you
want to call it, and then maybe Jenkins and Hill
together in pass rush situation, or you move o science
side in pass rush situations. I'm just not big on
the needed tackle. It feels like a luxury pick to me.
And I say that and on my first round, you know,
I thought you're gonna ask me this part of it.
You probably will, But I mean, I've got Walton Nolan listen,

(51:15):
I've got Derrett Carmen Listen. I could be talked into
those guys in a right scenario. So I'm not anti that.
I just just feel like, man, you need a guard,
and you need a safety, and you need a linebacker,
and you could maybe use a little more juice at
wide receiver, and it just it feels like this is
almost a luxury pick. I know it's not, because you
need more pass rush juice there, but you got four dudes.
You spent some capital at that position.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Now you mentioned getting back to your your three point
oh mon draft three point oh here you mentioned, well,
they need they need a guard, and you have them
taking one and a guy that we all like, and
Luke Candra at one free overall round five. I think
for a lot of folks who have talked about that need,
in particular understanding the classes deep, that still feels late.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
No, it probably is, and I think I think I
admit that in when I wrote there, the one I
did this morning just to do one, Kate Rutledge was gone,
or Kate Ratleig's Rother was gone. Jodyn Savana from and
I probably watched this pronunciation from Arizona was there. He
did take a he did take a visit with the Bengals.
He took a top thirty here, and those are important.
The Bengals like their top thirty visits. Guys not always,

(52:18):
but that's an important move in my opinion. So I
ended up taking him today. So I did bill guard
second round. But the one you did, I mean, I've
I've been I've heard this, I've been told this. It
was kind of reiterated a little bit with Duke Tobin
and Zach Killer. I know fans don't want to hear this.
They like the flour guards that are in the mix
at the moment, Cordyl Wolson, Jackson, Kirkland, Cody Ford, Lucas

(52:38):
Patrick probably in reverse order, will probably Ford and Patrick.
But if you do that, if you're if you're gonna
plug Cody Ford in at guard and say listen, this
is your position, you still need then to get a
swing tackle. So there's a lot of stuff that's still
flu with some of this stuff that if you go,
all right, Cody, you're you're that now again. You know,
maybe you like if cord Ole Wolson's a backup and
you go, hey, we got to kick Cody out to
write tackle because men's asked to miss a put Volca

(53:00):
in it left guard. We can do that whatever. But
that that swing tackle, to me is the most underrated
need in my opinion. Maybe it's a swing tackle that
can kick in and give you a chance to start
a guard too, and gives you a little more versatility
as both four in him.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Uh all right, at some point I'll ask you about
something that has nothing to do with this particular mock draft.
But this is this involves them trading Trey Hendrickson. How
likely do you think such a scenario is.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I don't think they do. I don't. I heard Kelsey
town went on with you earlier. Mike Petraley and I
did a podcast on Monday, and some people clap back
when I said, I just don't see it taking the place.
I don't have that decinative. Kelsey action to where credit
probably is a more definitive than me. I think if
they were going to do it, I think they would
have done it by now.

Speaker 17 (53:44):
Now.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
As you know, teams get in panic mode right on
when they're on the clock of oh crap, there's our guy.
But the Bengals are on the clock. Okay, let's go
ahead and move. It won't be a first round pick.
I just I mean, if if it would have been
a first round pick, it would have been a first
round pick by now. Because let's not forget this part
of whatever team trades for Trey Hendrickson better be prepared

(54:04):
to do an immediate extension with Trey Henderson, right, and
those teams are few and far between. That narrows it down.
I mean, I mind are saying There are only a
couple of teams that were in the Trey Henderson conversation.
You know this all season about when he requested the trade,
and those teams weren't willing to get the Bengals back
what they wanted. And I don't blame them wanting probably
a first round pick. I don't know that definitively, but

(54:24):
that seems to be what the sticking point was. And
so on the clock, could they change their mind? Maybe
could it be a team that goes, man, we're gonna
just have we'll trade with you guys in the first
round with swat spots, and we'll give you a second
and or whatever a third, or we'll give you a
second this year and a second next year. Maybe that's
enough to entice them. But to me, it's either I
didn't see that it get some level of extension done

(54:45):
or they just say, my man, you're under contracted and
we're expecting me to play, and he's got to play
if he wants to get paid next year. And beyond.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
You mentioned Walter Nolan, and people wonder about whether or
not he loves football. I'm not sure how fair that is.
There's the Mike Green Uh pick, which a lot of
people have mocked there's character concerns there. How much of
those are deal breakers, tie breakers or non starters for
the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah. I don't think Walter Nolan is a deal breaker
because I do think the red flags of Jermain Burton
were just wild, right, And I was all in on Okay,
you guys vetted him and you've been really good at
doing this and not taking these knuckleheads. And man, what
a talent he's got a chance to be. And he
turned out to be a knucklehead. I mean the shocking,
the most shocking of Monday MO was him actually sitting

(55:31):
in his locker. His locker was clean. I'm like, whoa, wow, Okay,
let's start my man. You're there, You're there, the lockers
plain that's a great place to start, all right. I
don't know if that means that he think it was
a good place to start. Yeah, No, one less And
I'm not even sure Mike glean from a character standpoint.
The thing that's turned me off and it may not
turn them off, is okay. He had seventeen sacks at

(55:53):
Marshall this past season, and good for him. They played
Ohio State. He did nothing he played at Virginia before
Marshall and did nothing.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Was this just play?

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Was this that classic tweener kid that against great competition
just isn't good enough, and against mediocre to lessen me,
he just burns them up. It's the It's the player
who goes, you know, zero for twelve against three aces
and then goes, you know, about three seventy against the duds.
You go, well, which one is he? Is he a
three h two hitter or is he the guy that
can't can't do it against top competition. That's that worries

(56:24):
me more than in character issues for Mike Green, I
got even listed as the first round possibility. I just
I'm just not sold on that.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Part of it makes sense. Have a great call, enjoy
the game. Thank you as always.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Oh, I appreciate it. Thanks most.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Richard Skinner Local twelve dot com on Twitter at Local
twelve Skinny. I think we've reached uh and Skinny is awesome.
We love Skinny. I think we've reached a peak draft
analysis right now. I got the I had the Reds
game on TV here in the studio, and the postgame
show is over, and so now I don't have this

(57:00):
sound on but apparently discussing the ins and outs of
the NFL draft are Dave Wantstatt and NFL Hall of
Famer Dan Hampton. I don't know man, and both look
like both look like a couple of guys who are
the first one to go to the wedding reception. It's
on the TV now, uh twenty eight away from five o'clock.

(57:25):
A five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty is
our phone number. I don't want the Bengals to trade
Trey Henderson. I will understand if they do, but I
don't want them to because I want the Bengals to
do what the brown should do. I'll make that make sense.

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do we have? Tyler Stevenson did, by the way, begin
his rehab assignment last night for TRIPA A Louisville, and
by all accounts, reading from Doug Ray in Redlakenation dot com,
Tyler Stevenson struck out the first time he was at
the plate, came to the plate and had an RBI

(59:44):
double his second time up, came up in the fifth
inning and took a call third strike. He also threw
out a guy, so that was kind of cool. And
Sam Mall pitched too as the clunkiest like rehab update
ever done in my life, because the piece of paper
that I had written everything down on is across the

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room from me, and I tried to do it all
from memory, and I that couldn't have sucked anymore. What
else do we have? Wade Miley started for the Dayton
Dragons and that didn't go so well. Wade Miley coming
off Tommy John surgery and he gave up a double
and a single to start the game. Got out of
that jam. Then in the second he gave up three
more doubles, hit a guy, gave up a single, then

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got three outs, came out for the third, gave up
two more doubles in a home run. Final line two
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three of them were strike Sam Maull pitched obviously and
pitched last couple of weeks because of the shoulder impingement.
He pitched the seventh inning last night through seventeen pitches
with nine strikes and worked around a walk and had

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a strikeout during his inning of work. I'm obviously reading
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Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
One other note, the Cincinnati Cyclones have let go head
coach Jason Payne and assistant coach Chad McLeod. Payne spent
four seasons as the head coach of the Clones. He
went one forty three one fourteen and thirty one. Best
season was two years ago when he took the Cyclones
to the playoffs second round of the playoffs and had
a forty seven, sixteen and nine regular season record. The

(01:01:39):
search for a new coach has begun immediately. Brendanman and
Jones on Baseball coming up in just about ten minutes,
and I could assure you whatever, whatever they talk about,
the segment will be better than the one that you
just listen to. We do have a really good guest

(01:02:05):
coming up in just about twenty minutes. Evan Miakawa, college
basketball analyst, is going to tell us about the players
that area schools have gotten in the portal and whether
or not these programs have improved their fortunes for the
upcoming twenty twenty five twenty twenty six season. Today, I
was asked to go on a radio station in Cleveland

(01:02:27):
to talk about the draft, and god knows they didn't
have me on to provide draft expertise because I don't
pretend to be one. I don't do a mock draft.
I look at this from the standpoint of guy on
his couch who watches college football, knows what NFL teams
need and rely heavily on the opinions of people that
I respect. That's not that hard to do. But anyway,

(01:02:50):
they had me on to talk about like where are
the Bengals in relation to the draft, what other needs,
all that sort of stuff. I'm marginally qualified to do that.
And then at the end of the inner I was asked,
what would you do if you're the Browns? And my
response was, and I'll paraphrase it here, I am a
huge Travis Hunter fan Travis Hunter, and I'm lucky enough

(01:03:10):
to have a Heisman vote as awesome as Ashton Genty was.
This was a no brainer for me. Travis Hunter is
the best college football player that I have ever seen.
I'm not hot taking that he is the best college
football player that I have ever seen. I don't know
how awesome of a pro he's going to be. And

(01:03:31):
so I think most people who have done the mock
draft exercise have the Browns taking Travis Hunter and if
he's the best prospect at number two once cam Ward
inevitably goes to the Tennessee Titans, which is all but
a done deal, fine whatever, But I said if I
ran the Browns, which they should be happy that, I
don't if I ran the Browns, I think the first

(01:03:53):
thing I would do would be move him out of Cleveland.
I didn't say that on the show. The second thing
that I would do, though, is I would take Abdul
Carter from Penn State edge rusher by every account, pretty
much best edge rusher in the class. And my logic was,
be elite at this one thing. You have Miles Garrett.
You have all sorts of team needs. They obviously need

(01:04:16):
a quarterback. It doesn't make any sense for them to
take any of these qbs with a second overall pick.
They have a lot of team needs. They still have
Miles Garrett. They didn't trade them, they paid them because
you know, Miles Garrett said he was all about winning
until they paid aim more money than suddenly he didn't care.
And you could address any number of positions in the
Browns have to. But my take was be elite at

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getting after the quarterback, be elite at being unblockable up front,
be elite at having chess pieces that you can move
all over the place, which the Browns do with Miles Garrett,
and which I think you can do with Abdull Carter
based on what I've seen. Even if you can't have
these two dudes that no matter what else you have,
no matter what you do or don't have on offense,

(01:04:59):
no matter what what else you do or don't have
on defense, no matter who you are playing, when you're
playing the Cincinnati Bengals, well they got to figure out,
how are we blocking Miles Garrett and Abdul Carter? Right,
So that's who I would take. Be elite at this,
build your defense around that, and if you are elite
at getting to the quarterback with those guys and others,

(01:05:21):
well then you have an easier job covering downfield. I
think something similar applies to the Bengals here. So a
lot of people have speculated that if the Bengals take
an edge rusher in round one, that that's going to
mean the end of Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati. Whether or
not that's the case, I don't know. We've had two
guests on today who are close to it, who cover

(01:05:42):
the team, who are well sourced, Kelsey Conway and Richard Skinner,
who have kind of thrown cold water over that premise. Basically,
neither seems to think the likely outcome is trade gets traded.
I don't want them to trade him Now, yes, I
understand Duke Tobin wants more picks, and ideally you'd find
a way to get more picks because they don't have

(01:06:03):
that many, only six, and they have a lot of needs.
But if I'm taking an edge rusher in round one
and there's a lot of them out there, I'm still
keeping Trey Hendrickson because they have a They haven't overhauled
their defense to the extent that a lot of us
thought they would, or to the extent that a lot
of us thought they should have. But Trey Hendrickson's money

(01:06:27):
is on the books. Like they don't have to sign
him for twenty twenty five. His money is on the books.
Rookie contracts are really cheap. If I can have some
combination of rookie edge rusher, not Abdul Carter, obviously he's
gonna be long gone by the time the Bengals are

(01:06:47):
on the clock, but a first round edge rusher and
Trey Hendrickson, I've got a chance to be. Maybe not elite,
because the Bengals pass rush last year was terrible. It's
hard to go from terrible to elite. But I'd like
to tell Al Golden, all right, man, you gotta get
some stuff fixed on defense, and you got to figure

(01:07:09):
out a way to make some of these corners that
we've drafted early in the past work. And you have
to figure out ways to not spoil awesome offensive performances
by Joe Burrow. But here's what we're gonna start with.
We're gonna give you Trey and you get a first
round edge rusher, and other teams good luck blocking that. Plus,

(01:07:30):
if you believe in Joseph Osai and I'm not sure
I do, but the Bengals do. They've at least believed
in him enough to give him a one year quote
prove it contract, and they still are showing faith in
Miles Murphy. And I'm not sure I have as much faith.
But you know, all right, hey, Al Golden, we're gonna
give you a first round edge rusher this year, a
first round edge rusher from two years ago, and the

(01:07:52):
reigning NFL sack leader. Plus on the interior of the
defensive line, you know, we've got some guys that we
drafted two years ago. We did go sign J. T.
Slaton or TJ. Slayton likes. That's pretty good. If I
tray Trey Hendrickson, I can't say that I don't want
to trade basically Trey Hendrickson for a first round edge

(01:08:15):
rusher and extra picks. I want to start up front.
I know there are some who say, look the way
you build modern NFL defenses as you start in the back,
and there's some validity to that, and the Bengals have
to be have to be better in the secondary. You're like,
I'm very skeptical that they're gonna get more out of
Geno Stone. And by the way, I'm the guy who
was so stoked that they signed Geno Stone. I look
at Trey Hendrickson and I go, I got one more

(01:08:36):
year of this. I'm not sure how much he's gonna
tutor a young edge rusher, but I've got a very
good pass rush guy built in on my team. The
money is set, it's earmarked. We know what he's gonna make.
I can I can add to that early in the draft,

(01:08:57):
maybe a round one. Now, you might argue they shouldn't
take an edge rusher in round one. You could make
arguments for any number of positions on the team. But
I think there's sort of a similar principle in play here.
If you're revamping, if you're starting kind of from scratch
in Cleveland. Take the edge guy. Add that to Miles Garrett,
and at the very least, no matter what your team

(01:09:18):
looks like, you are gonna be an absolute load up front.
You're gonna be hard to block, and teams are gonna
have to figure out ways to keep you from getting
to their quarterback. Why can't you do the same here?
You can only do that if you don't trade Trey Hendrickson. Now,
that doesn't mean you extend him. That's kind of a

(01:09:38):
different story. I certainly, and I think I'm in the
minority here. I believe you could just make him play
under the year on his contract and then see what
happens at the end of this season. I don't think
there's anything wrong with that. And if you believe this
team's culture is as strong as everybody seems to think,
you'll get through this summer. If he holds in or
holds out, I do not think he's gonna forego game checks.

(01:09:59):
I want to be elite at something. I want to
be high end at something. I want to build my
defense around something that I pretty much know I'm gonna
be really good at, or at least have a chance
to be really good at that's getting after the quarterback.
If I add to the edge, if I add to
the defensive line, and I keep Trey Hendrickson, Evan Miakawa

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Now, kay, what's not five o five ESPN fifteen thirty
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five to two more on that and more on the draft,
which is tomorrow night. I was thinking about this over
the weekend. We have like an off season in college
basketball now, and there's there's been obviously a lot of goings,

(01:11:31):
a lot of cummings, been some big transfer portal news
for UC, Richard Patino obviously trying to fill out a roster,
Xavier Kentucky spending reportedly twenty million dollars on Mark Pope's
second team in Lexington. And and so I was thinking
over the weekend, you know, I'm more interested in roster
construction that I am just looking at the individual profile

(01:11:53):
of some of these players, or you know, trying to
figure out how they might fit in at the next
level if they're jumping up a lot, or you know
that sort of thing. And so I started to think
about Evan Miakawa, who has been on this show and
is an awesome college basketball analyst evanmia dot com. He
actually has a post that he put up earlier today
how to build a college basketball roster in twenty twenty five,

(01:12:15):
And I was thinking, I want to get Evan on
just to talk about how some area schools are building
their roster and maybe how we should start to formulate
opinions for the upcoming season for some of those schools.
So Evan, we reached out. He said yes, and now
he's here. What's going on? Glad to be here.

Speaker 17 (01:12:35):
And like you mentioned, you know with all of this
transfer portal movement that we have seen this FOS season
more than ever. I think the question of how do
you build a roster as a you know, a high
major in this day and age to you know, have
championship level or Final four aspiration? Well, what is the
best way to do that? Because there's more avenues than

(01:12:57):
ever for recruiting, but not all of them are the
right one. So it's really important to get that right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Well, there's assembling a collection of talent and there's building
a roster. And so you know, I go back to
UC last year and you and I talked about him
early in the season. There was a pretty nice collection
of talent. The team itself didn't gel, the pieces didn't fit.
I think there's a lot of folks who looked at
where some of the players who left UC went scratch
their heads and I go, those are really good individual players.

(01:13:22):
The collection of parts didn't add up to as much
as maybe we would have liked. It's about roster construction
and team building and less so much about an accumulation
of talent. You want talented players, but that's not necessarily
constructing a good roster.

Speaker 17 (01:13:37):
Yeah. Well, basically, what my analysis in my study from
the last four years has shown is that obviously the
most important thing that a team can do in building
a roster is getting more talented players. You're always going
to want a more talented player over a less talented player.
I think that goes without saying. And so that's why
a team like Duke this year, who was you know,

(01:14:00):
mostly reliant on these you know, freshmen that were new
as well as some transfers, could still be successful enough
to be arguably the best team we saw this season
make a Final four, and you know, they came up
a little bit short of what they were capable of,
but it's because they have three lottery picks on their
roster and a bunch of other players who are really,
really good. But outside of that, the teams that have

(01:14:21):
been the most successful the last several years in this
day and age where you can retool an entire roster
from scratch if you want is the teams that have
focused on retaining the key players that they had from
the previous team that were really good and really important,
and then adding a couple key new faces through the

(01:14:42):
transfer portal or through the high school ranks in order
to raise the talent level on that roster. But the
bulk of the minutes on that team, over fifty percent
of those minutes need to come from returning players. That's
the trends that we've seen for all of the last
four national champions is that a majority of their minutes
have been played by returning players. We saw that for
the other three teams in the final four this year

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outside of Duke, they were all at seventy percent or
more in terms of percentage of minutes played by returners.
And so I really think when you're as a coaching
staff looking at your roster and saying, what is our
strategy for funding long term success, step number one is
to raise the talent level. If you have a crappy team,
it's fine to let guys go and recruit better ones,
but when you're talking about, hey, our team was already

(01:15:24):
like pretty good last season, we're trying to get to
that next step. You don't want to overlook the guys
on your own roster in prioritizing bringing them back as
opposed to just saying, hey, we can let this guy walk,
we can replace him like for like, because a lot
of times those, you know, those cases are not quite
as successful as the teams that are built mostly around
having that continuity from the previous season.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
So that was well said. Let's let's talk about some
area schools here specifically, understanding that nobody's roster is complete
right now. There are still there are still players out there,
and there are still decisions to be made, and the
Bearcats have had what I think most would call a
productive week after maybe a slow start during the portal period.

(01:16:05):
What do you make of what the new GM, Corey
Evans and Wes Miller have done to the Bearcat roster?

Speaker 17 (01:16:12):
Yeah? Well, you know, one of the things that I
look at on my website is I rank every single
incoming transfer class just the same way that you would
do high school and looking at based on the both
the equality and quantity of the players that you've brought in.
How good is your talent that you've amassed a transfer
portal kind of compared to all these other teams. I
have Cincinnati sixteenth in the entire country in terms of

(01:16:34):
the quality of their incoming transfer class. That's second in
the Big twelve, and so I really like a lot
of the pieces that they brought in. I think the
player I'm the most high on is, you know, the
big man from UCF with stoppathm who as a freshman
showed a ton of potential last year and now you're
getting him in his sophomore season, where a lot of
players like him can see an even bigger jump. So

(01:16:56):
if he's able to realize that potential, I mean, he's
one of the best, has one of the best defensive
grades of any player in the portal in terms of
his predicted kind of value that he's going to bring
on the defensive end. So I really like that. It
is disappointing that, you know, Cincinnati lost Dylan Mitchell and
Dan Skillings just because those are the types of players
that you know, assuming that you still feel like they are,

(01:17:19):
would be a valuable addition to your team for the
next year and fit with the culture and all that stuff,
which I don't have any information on, but you know,
those are the types of players that like man. If
Cincinnati had been able to keep even one of those guys,
like the outlook for this team in terms of next year,
he'd be even better than where it is right now. Obviously,
it's it's easier said than done to retain players because

(01:17:39):
they can potentially get more lucrative offers welsewhere. That's just
kind of how it goes now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Unfortunately, you're a man after my own heart because and
I don't feel quite the same way about Dan Skillings.
I kind of felt like I was ready to move
on Dylan Mitchell, and I think a lot of folks
looked at where he just went. You know, he's gonna
play for Saint John's Rick Patino defending Biggie's champs the
two seed this year, and maybe have taken another look
at his game. I thought, with a better constructed roster,

(01:18:06):
if he would have stayed at Cincinnati this year, he
could have been a He could have been more than
just an asset.

Speaker 17 (01:18:13):
Yes, I agree. I mean, Dylan Mitchell is a player
that I've always loved, and I think my analytical model
that looks at more than just your counting stats, but
it also looks at while you were on the floor,
are you having an impact on your team's production. He
has been one of these players going back to his
days at Texas who always had a bigger impact on

(01:18:34):
the game than people realize just from looking at his
individual stats. I mean, get this, when he was on
the court this year. Defensively, this year for Cincinnati, they
were night and day a much better defensive team. Their
defense when he was on the court gave up seventeen
points fewer per one hundred possessions when he was on
the court versus on the bench. That amounts to the

(01:18:56):
difference between a fine, okay defense to a great defense.
He was on the court there, and I think if
you watch Cincinnati closely enough, you understood the impact that
he had even if he wasn't there, you know, leading scorer,
most efficient shoot or anything like that. So I do
think it's a shame for them to lose him. I
think in terms of fit like he the kind of
player that he is does really fit the type of

(01:19:17):
player that Rick Patino loves to use in kind of
his unique system at Saint John's. So I think he
will be successful there, But it's definitely a shame that,
you know, Cincinnati wasn't able to retain him for another year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Evanmia dot com is the website and by the way,
he has transfer class rankings which are are worth your
your attention. It's it's it's a different offseason at Xavier
with a new head coach and they go outside the family,
so to speak, for the first time in over two decades.
Give me an assessment of the way Richard Patino has
started to put together his first ever roster REDAXU.

Speaker 17 (01:19:51):
Well, obviously, there's not really a lot of options in
terms of how you know Richard Patino. You know, with
an entirely you know, new squad with all these players leaving,
you know, there's only so much power that he has
to kind of retain guys who are on the team
the previous year because he didn't have a relationship with them,
and so, you know, I think it's one of these
situations where it's like, hey, you have to you know, retool,

(01:20:14):
rebuild an entire roster from scratch through the portal. That's
that's the only option you have. And so the best
that you can do is is, you know, identify guys
from the portal. You know, a couple guys who can
come with you from your previous school what she's done,
and then finding some other guys who might be underrated
potentially to kind of fill up that roster. I do
think generally speaking, that it is concerning for Xavier in

(01:20:37):
year one with Richard Patino that they are not going
to have a single minute of production returning from last
year in terms of players who played you know, minutes
on the team. And we saw I think six time
majors this year, this this last season who had exactly
zero percent of their minutes returning. Only two of them

(01:20:58):
made the tournament, and that was Kentucky and Louisville, who
I think everyone would generally agree where he had some
outstanding coaching this year where they were able to achieve
more than maybe the sum of what people thought was
possible with the parts that they had. But a lot
of these other teams who were in a similar boat,
we're definitely disappointing and had higher hopes than what they
were able to do. So, you know, that is concerning

(01:21:19):
to me, and I think there's not really a lot
you can do about that. You just have to have,
you know, a solid enough year one that you can
build on that hopefully retain some of these guys the
following year and then you're really cooking with gas. But
this first year could be a bit of an uphoke line.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
So this might be a bit of a bizarre question.
In pro sports right which college basketball has become, we
could look at a player's statistical output, look at his age,
all those sort of things, and attach a general dollar,
you know, figure to what he's worth, maybe what you
would want to pay him. Have we started to be

(01:21:54):
able to do that in college basketball?

Speaker 17 (01:21:57):
Yes, And I'm actually doing that with my website this
year year, which I think I'm the only public place
that you can find that. So basically the way that
this works is the it's it's an easier task at
the NBA level because we have very defined rules about
how much can or can't be spent on players. We
have salary caps, we have all these we have minimum
player amounts. In college it is a much harder exercise

(01:22:21):
to trying to figure out how much a player should
be worth because it's all dependent on this fluid, ever
changing market of how much players are going for. Based
on kind of the numbers that I've crunched in going
rates for players this year versus last year, the a
player this year or last year, who would have been
worth about a million dollars in the transfer portal, is

(01:22:41):
going for about two point five million dollars roughly speaking
this year. So we're seeing at two hundred and fifty
percent increase just in just one season from one season
to the next. And so the way that my tool
works is basically, my model figures out, based on every
single player's predicted production for next year, how much they
should be worth kind of relative to other players in

(01:23:03):
the country. And then you, as a coaching staff, can
use my tool and actually put in data points of
what represents the going market rates for players. So if
you're you know, let's say you're the Xavier staff and
you know what you're paying a couple of your players,
you could put those exact dollar amounts in there. You
could put in public other publicly known or you know,

(01:23:24):
suggested amounts for players, and basically you put it as
many as possible to kind of represent where the market
is at. And then my model goes in and fills
in how much every other player in the country should
be worth if they were to play in college basketball
next year based on those going market rates. And so
this tool has been really helpful for teams this offseason
in kind of, you know, getting a lot closer to

(01:23:45):
the ballpark of what they should be playing players, because
the reality is there is so much inefficiency in this
market where some guys are going for more than a
million dollars than what they should be worth, even with
these high market rates, just because of you know them
just you know, knocking on people's doors and demanding more money.
And the reality is that the teams that are going

(01:24:07):
to be the most successful are the ones who are
smart with their money, make good investments, and that Austin
can open up a whole extra roster spot that they
can give money to instead of just burning it for
one guy who maybe won't be as productive as they
think he'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
All right, one more And again, that was because I've
struggled with that, right hear you hear in some of
its conjecture, you hear rumors of what a certain player
is making, and I have said, like, I don't know,
is that a lot Like I think we're still having
a hard time wrapping our brains around like what's good
value for you know, Let's say a point guard who
averages nine points and four assists a game and at

(01:24:42):
the big twelve level, like I don't know, and so
a tool like that is exceptionally valuable. One more, and
you mentioned Kentucky and the job that Mark Pope did
this past season. Kentucky fans are really excited about the
Portal Hall so far on top of the players who
decided to not leave Les and give me a snapshot
of Mark Pope's off season as he gets said for

(01:25:04):
year number two.

Speaker 17 (01:25:06):
Yeah, well, obviously, I think the big, big storyline with
Kentucky has been the amount of money that they're willing
to have been willing to invest through the Portal, specifically
in you know, building off this roster. And so when
you look at their you know, potentially their their starting
lineup for next year, it's basically otega Oway, who was
a really solid shooting guard for them, and then the

(01:25:26):
rest of their lineup potentially in terms of starters, could
all be really high level transfers. When you look at
the overall amount of work that they've done in terms
of these five guys that they brought in, all of
them are really really quality pieces. And when you amass
all of that, I have Kentucky ranked second in the
country in terms of their incoming transfer class and second

(01:25:46):
overall in terms of transfer activity. So that's both looking
at the quality of guys they brought into the portal
minusing out the quality of guys that they've lost through
the portal, and so all things considered, they've been really,
really good in this part. And I think, you know,
they they were left in a little bit of a
pickle with last year's roster because a lot of the

(01:26:08):
guys that they recruited last offseason when they completely rebuilt
that roster were guys who were only going to have
one year of eligibility left. So I think the only
player on that team, notable player really who you know,
could have played somewhat significant minutes for them this year
but they you know, went left through the portal was
Kerkrisa who you know is in you know, in the

(01:26:31):
Cincinnati neck of the wins now. But outside of that,
they've kept all the key players from last year and
they've really really invested through the portal, and so I
think the the amassment of talent they have there has
been pretty impressive, and so yeah, they're not necessary. They
didn't have the option of having the same level of
roster continuity as some of these other teams. But they've
they've they've obviously kept the players they could, and they've

(01:26:52):
gotten a lot of really good guys for the portal.
So I'm really excited to see what happens there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Awesome insight. Man. I can't thank you enough. We love
having you. Have a great offseason. I'm sure we'll bother
you as we get closer and closer. October Man, thanks
so much.

Speaker 17 (01:27:06):
Yeah, Mo, this is great. Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Good stuff. Evan mia Kay would check out his website.
Evan Miya, he is awesome. We are late. By the way.
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One is about Trey Hendrickson, whom we've talked about a
lot today. And I probably I will admit this, I
probably am reading more into Duke Tobin's media availability on
Monday that I should have or should be where he

(01:29:44):
was asked about Trey Hendrickson and it was an opportunity
for him to say we're not trading Trey Hendrickson, and
he didn't say that. And he also did talk about
wanting to move up and if you if you combine
those two things it would make you go, well, god,
you know what I mean, Maybe they'll trade Trey Hendrickson
and get draft picks and I'll have picks, and maybe
that happens. I hope it doesn't. I hope it doesn't

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because I think you can make this year's team better
with the draft capital you have. And I won Trey
Hendrickson on this year's team because I want to try
to win the super Bowl with him. But we'll see, so, Paul,
question number one, do you want the Bengals to trade
Trey Hendrickson in exchange for draft picks? Sixty six point

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two percent of you say no. And by the way,
like I didn't throw in there extend them, I don't
even I can't even begin to tell you how that's
gonna end, because nobody that I've talked to who would
have like intel on that can predict how that's gonna end.

Speaker 8 (01:30:46):
Vote.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
The other one is, you know, Austin wins today maybe
the greatest Reds catcher ever. Arguably perhaps Austin wins today.
Three hits, home run, drove in another run in the
ninth inning on a double. It's done a good job
behind the plate, spatting five hundred, which if he does
that for an entire season, would be a franchise record.
Austin Wins And so the Reds have obviously retired a

(01:31:09):
lot of jersey numbers. They have never retired someone's number
while they were still an active player. I think the
player whose number was retired in closest proximity to them
finishing their career. And I'm kind of doing this off
the top of my head. Bench retired in eighty three.

(01:31:30):
They formally retired as jersey number in ninety seven. I
believe Fred Hutchinson's number was retired I think soon after
his passing. He was obviously a manager and not you know,
his jersey number was not retired for his work as
a player. So anyway, they've never retired anybody's jersey number

(01:31:52):
while they were an active player. Should they break that
long standing policy and permanently remove Austin Wins number thirty
eight from circulation to honor arguably their greatest ever catcher,
Austin Wins number thirty eight? Should they retire it? And
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I genuinely do wish. I think if you're a Bengals fan,
you would agree with me. I genuinely do wish that
they had more picks. That's I mean, they don't have
a seven this year, right, so we all wish they
had more picks. But it's not like they only have two.
It's not like you know, the Browns the last couple
of years, who haven't had a one. This is the

(01:32:42):
first time since twenty one the Browns have a first
round pick. They have six. Unfortunately, they have a lot
of needs, and so you have a better chance of
addressing all those needs. The more picks you have, you
have a better chance of having a great draft. The
more picks you have. It's like you know, playing a lottery,
you have a better chance of winning a raffle if
you buy more raffle tickets. But I just don't know

(01:33:06):
that it's a net gain for this year. And again,
like I'm all about this year, and like I understand
Duke Tobin's job is to balance short term and long term.
But as a fan, like my focus is on winning
the Super Bowl this coming season, which I think with
a good draft they can. But I don't think it's
a net gain for this year's team if you trade

(01:33:27):
Trey Hendrickson and add picks, even if you use those
picks on players who can help. I can be dead
wrong about that wouldn't be the first time, so I
lean toward not wanting Tray to be traded. But I
think it will be fascinating to see or maybe find
out after the fact. What kind of interest do they get,

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What do teams reach out to the Bengals with if
they do take an edge rusher at seventeen. You know,
we'll see, we'll see what I don't want in this draft.
Are I was talking about this with some folks in
the office today, you know, we talked about like Derek
Harmon from Oregon kind of being the safest pick maybe

(01:34:11):
in round one. I just I asked Kelsey Conway this
question earlier today. She was on the show with us
in a three o'clock hour. We were talking about Xavier
Watt from from Notre Dame, and you know, he may
be a terrific player. You know, obviously there's the Al

(01:34:31):
Golden connection, and maybe Xavier Watts ends up being the
starting safety Week one instead of Geno Stone. But like
those first three picks, I'm looking for guys who Week one,
I pretty much know that they've got the inside track
on starting and helping this team win the first football
game of the season. Where you get away from that

(01:34:52):
not so much Xavier Watts, but you know some players
that maybe lack of production or maybe their biggest selling point.
Are there measurables or traits. I'm looking for production experience
you'll see. But yeah, I lean I lean toward not
wanting to trade. Trey Hendrickson. We are way late. Five

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I'd rather be in Boulder. I don't know. They'll be
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been with the Cyclones each of the last four war seasons,
and as it says, here in the press release, the
search for the team's next head coach will begin immediately.
Has there ever been a release like this, whether it's
college or pro, no matter the sport, where they fire
the coach. And at the end of it, it says
the search for the next coach is going to start
in two weeks after we get back from vacation. Hey,

(01:39:22):
we've got the circus down here at the arena, so
we're not going to be able to interview coaches. Sorry,
we'll get around to it. Taren, how are we doing
on time? About three minutes left? Three minutes Mike, you
could you could have those three minutes? Congratulations? What's up?

Speaker 7 (01:39:40):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
And you are?

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
I am?

Speaker 10 (01:39:44):
Yeah, I know you are?

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
You and Karin both Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:39:48):
I think we had some confusion yesterday when you were
kind enough to let me on. I had mentioned Donovan
Zarako when you said, oh, yeah, that guy is six
four seventy, but I must have mispronounced his name or something,
because that's the ed Rusher that's about two fifty and
sixty two and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Yes, I thought about that after the show. We got
our wires crossed.

Speaker 10 (01:40:09):
Mike, Yeah, that's cool. I just want to make sure yeah,
because usually you're right. I'm very rarely am I right?
So okay, that's done. Patino versus Miller on the portal.
As far as my optimism for both, I'm gonna ride
Patinos just because of the lineage, just because of his notoriety,

(01:40:34):
not because I wasn't able to be better than you
see at all.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Well there, I think there's there's there's two things. There's
getting players in the portal. I think Wes Miller has
a good track record of getting talented players in the portal. Now,
if you're saying winning with the players that they recruit, well,
you know, Wes Miller had some players this year that
other programs seemingly coveted and they didn't win. And so
I think I think you're being reasonable, even if you're

(01:40:59):
like me and you really like hell for Wes Miller,
if you go, you know what, based on the limited
results of this past season, I'm a little bit skeptical,
and so maybe I'm gonna side with a coach who has,
you know, coached a high major in the NCAA tournament before.
I don't. I don't have a problem. I don't think
that it has to be either or, Like I know,
most fans of each school dislike the other. I don't

(01:41:21):
really operate that way. I don't think that Wes Miller
has to have success at the expense of Richard Patino,
and I don't think that Richard Patino has to have
success at the expense of of Wes Miller. There's there's
enough good players for both. The question from Wes's perspective
is whatever the makeup of his team is, can he
make the pieces fit? Because that didn't happen last year,

(01:41:43):
and with Richard Patino, with basically nobody coming back in
a very good league, can he can he do what
Sean Miller often did, which is take players who came
from quote lower levels and get them to play better
In the Big East, we will see.

Speaker 9 (01:41:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:41:59):
I like, well, you you've explained it perfectly earlier with
roster building, and that should be a very prevalent phrase
from here on in, because you hit the nail on
the head big time there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Well, thank you. I think it's I think it's roster building,
and also I think it's making the pieces fit. Like
UC had some good pieces last year, they didn't fit.
I mean, Baylor wanted Dan Skillings, you know, he didn't.
He didn't go, you know, drop down two levels. Baylor
wanted Dan Skillings and I think Dan will play, and
Saint John's wanted Dylan Mitchell. I think Dylan Mitchell is

(01:42:29):
gonna play, and I think he's going to be excellent
for for Rick Patino. Like I think there are some
good pieces.

Speaker 9 (01:42:34):
C J.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Frederick was unfortunately, you know, often hurt this year. But
that's a guy who had success at Iwan, a very
good Iowa team. Like there's some good Simas Lukasias is
not a bad college basketball player. They just didn't make
the pieces fit. Yes, you want to accumulate talent. Yes,
you want to accomplish players and skilled players and players
who maybe have NBA potential, but you've it's not it's

(01:42:57):
not fantasy basketball. You've got to build a team and
you've got to make the pieces fit. And last year
you see with some good quality, talented players, some of
whom underperformed. I didn't like how Dan Skillings played this
past season, but Wes, I think he'd be the first
to admit this never really made the pieces fit, and
that has to be much much different this coming season.

Speaker 17 (01:43:19):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:43:20):
And I wonder why the tea Wolves decided not to
show up last night that I don't know if they
felt comfortable with the split in LA or what. Wasn't
that weird?

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Yeah, it was interesting. I was watching the pregame show
on TNT and Charles Barkley said, I think LA is
going to win the game, but I want to see
I want to see how Minnesota approaches this. And they
made a little bit of a run to make the
game kind of interesting in the fourth quarter. But I
it in the first half had the vibe of we
got the game, were good, let's go back to Minnesota

(01:43:48):
one one and you know, I mean on a night
and luk at Doncic was defending last night, and he
was terrific, especially early in the game. But that was
an LA team that wasn't exactally great offensively last night.
They didn't shoot it well from outside, they did defend well.
I just if I'm a t Wolves fan, I feel

(01:44:08):
like we may have let LA off the hook, and
they did so in the first half last night, and
by the time they started to play better, the deficit
was too steep. Mike, I got a run, man, Thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:44:21):
Yeah, wait for your show tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

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Turkey Foot and Madison Pike is moving better. Accident has
cleared for seventy one southbound Grand to seventy five and

(01:45:14):
Kentucky still stop and go. We have a seventy five
southbound hopple to the Brent Spence Bridge by a ten
minute drive northbound seventy five metro to Paddock. It's about
a twelve minute commune. I'm rick shrunk with traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
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