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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Like ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Here we go. It's five minutes after three o'clock. This
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You can listen to it tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty.
And it's like Christmas Morning for our guy. And I'm
so happy we get him every single year, and every
single year I asked him to do this show, thinking

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he's going to be pulled a thousand different directions. He's
got so much going on, he's got so much content
to create. There's no way we're going to get him.
And yet we have from Bengals Talk dot Com Enter
the Jungle, Locked on Bengals, Jane Rapeen is here.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
It is Christmas morning. I'm really excited. NFL Draft Day
and of course made time for you every single NFL Draft.
It's already penciled in for next year.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well, I'm excited. Here's what I want to know because.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
By penso, I mean sharpie, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
You you have a lot going on. What has been
the bigger deal for you and your family this month
NFL Draft weekend? Or your new addition who you have
for me? Named her after my second favorite all time
Bengals player.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
That's your second favorite all time Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
You're a little girl newborn baby? Yes, Blake Ray Rapine. Yes,
that is awesome. Jeff Blake, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I did not, but I think it'll be easy to
get her Bengals gear. I don't know if they made
newborn Jeff Blake gear.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I have a very very very old Jeff Blake jersey
that I clearly do not fit in anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
It's hers boom Dune. Great because you could make that.
You know, all these creative people that aren't me can
make that into something that will fit her absolutely when
she's like two, yeah, perfect.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
They don't have to buy diapers or anything.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
There you go, there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I love that. Congratulations.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
I literally looked on eBay for Blake's thut. I was like,
that should be her first thing. Absolutely, so how about
that shake and Blake? Everybody's good. Congratulations, she's got to
be athletic. Now, yeah, gotta have a little wiggle.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I understand. I understand already has wiggle. This is two
for you now too. It's tough outnumber all girls. Three
to one.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, I'll mount the dog three to two.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, if you count our dog, I'm in the three
to one deficit. It's kept the lizard we got. I'm
actually the four to one hole. So see, Well, congratulations,
thank you. Hopefully you're getting some sleep. I know you
won't get any this weekend.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah. That that is certainly the bigger news, I would
say than the NFL drafts. But I still found a
way because this happened last week, and last week is
a big week for me to kind of do all
the homework. Things have changed, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I'm like, oh my gosh, how do I and I
feel good? Feel good going into tonight, which is all
that people care.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm sure, well other people do. My first concern is,
of course your family, Oh for sure.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, all right, thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I appreciate it. Can we talk about your mock draft? There?
How many mock drafts did you do?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's what's crazy. So I was on with you what
three weeks ago, and I said I'd do like three
more because we were just kind of studying to do
one last year or last week.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Excuse me, you were busy.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
So I think I did one point zero and then
this one, and that might be it.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Okay now on podcasts and stuff, sure, different things, but
as far as written, it's there. It's not going anywhere.
This is one of the few that I've done this year.
So in this mock draft, which is reflective of what
you think they will do, this isn't what you want
them to do that oftentimes isn't.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I didn't even get to do that one this year.
Did I released a Big six prospects list, but I
didn't get to say, hey, this is what the Bengals
should do.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
All right? So what you have them doing tonight with
the seventeenth pick? Holding study at seventeen and take from
Shamar Stewart, Edge Rusher from Texas A and m Yes, Now,
this guy is at the epicenter of the traits versus
production debate, no doubt Bengals love traits. Yep, I like production.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I get it, I get it, and it's it's a
roll of the dice.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Four and a half sacks over three years, which is insane. Yeah,
because last year we were just having this conversation. One
and a half sacks last year, thirty nine pressures. How
do you get so many pressures in one and a
half sacks That doesn't a ten to one ratio five yes,
thirty nine to one. Yeah, it's it's in a high
mistackle percentage to doubt. It's like he's Yeah, I think

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it's traits, it's the level of competition, it's the athleticism,
and it is the the upside what he can be
in a draft, especially in the first round. Whoever the
Bengals picked tonight, there will be a yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Sure, whoever did too many needs in that? You know,
in a yeah but about that prospect? And so for
Stuart it is yeah, but he only had four and
a half sacks. And if for insert whoever, and we'll
go through different guys, I'm sure there's going to be that.
So do the Bengals value what they've.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Seen from him enough to take him over some of
these other guys. I think, based on how I believe
their board looks, he's going to be pretty darn high
on it.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Might be top ten on their board. And if he is,
don't be shocked.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
If he's of the players who are likely to be there,
who play the positions they are going to address in
this draft. Who has the biggest yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
The biggest yeah, but well, well, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
He's one of them.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
He's one of them for sure, because if he did,
if he had the production, you'd be talking about him
like a dual Carter. And so the Bengals may view
it that way. It's like we could teach him a
past rush mover too and be ready to go. So
he's one of them.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I think. Will they teach Miles Murphy some kind of nice?
I think he?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I think, because I get Miles Murphy as scared people.
We'll just stay on Shamar Stewart for a second here.
Who do they bring in? They brought in Jerry Montgomery
as the defensive line coach. What if he looks at
it and he spent years and years in Green Bay
and he says Shamar Stewart is the next for Shawn Gary,
or we're gonna be able to bring him and develop him,
and he's going to be the guy Miles Murphy maybe,

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but he's already in year three. I just got here.
Give me another dude. Trey Hendrickson one year, left, Joseph
Aside one year. It would make sense from that perspective,
But there are a lot of yeah, bud guys, you
want me to go through him?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Please?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
All right, Well let's go. Johad Campbell probably my favorite.
I want a playmaker, shocker. I like playmakers. I want impact.
I want splash players that are when opposing teams.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Talk about the Bengals, it's like, ah, man, I got
to deal with that, right, yes, right, they do that
right now with Joe, Jamar T and Trey.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
They need another one or two on defense. We all
agree Johi Campbell is that. I think Jahid Campbell could
be the face of your defense. And so if he's
there at seventeen, I'm all in. But the yeah butt,
his shoulder surgery and not just that. I think there's
some other injury stuff there. I don't know exactly what
it is. Dane Brugler mentioned the knee. I don't want

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an injured linebacker. It's going to have to run, hit
and do all the things that I want this linebacker
because I think he could be your ro quwand Smith.
Think about the Ravens. He's the face of the Ravens defense.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Real question.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, so it's yeah, but is he healthy? Is he
gonna be able to do that? And so that's a
big yeah. But I think Walter Nolan Junior or Walter
Nolan the yeah butt is is he motivated? Does he
love football? Is he going to have that football character
to be dialed in and be this game changing, game
wrecking defensive tackle that the Bengals desperately need. I don't

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want to think.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
About showing up late, leaving practice early.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Missing, not being motivated.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Is this something we would be focusing on if Jermaine
Burton didn't be didn't turn into James Jermaine Burton last year.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
I think we would probably be willing to overlook it
a little bit. Yes, But the entire league is saying
this about Walter and Ol. Yeah, so like I don't
think the league is changing and the Bengals have to
figure that out too, And so that's a huge yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Butt.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I think Derek Harmon, there's a there's a weird shoulder
rumbling about him, but let's just throw that out. You
to talk about miss tackles being good against the run,
I think he gives you some pass rush juice. He
misses a lot of tackles. And so do they feel
comfortable there? Mike Green his size, like we could go

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on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
He played, yeah, there's yeah, but yeah, but yeah but
off the field, yeah sure, So so I'm taking the
lesser of all the yeah butts, And in your opinion,
that's Shamar Stewart. I think that's how the Bengals will give.
It's not who I would take. Okay, given just all
those players, I know this isn't who you would take.

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Among again, the guys that are likely to take that
are likely to be there at seventeen. Who's the guy
you would want.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Johi Campbell, Joe High Campbell. I think I would take him.
I would take him ahead of I love Colston Loveland,
and I praise you for not asking me about him
because everyone else has led with that. But Jehid Campbell
could transform your defense. That's what I want. I want
guys that can do that. Mason Graham can do that.
He's not going to be there. Jahid Campbell, if he

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gets a clean bill of health, won't be there either.
But there's a chance there's a chance he falls. And
if he's there. How many times have I endorsed linebacker
during the time though that you've known.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I've known you for twelve or thirteen years, a long time.
I don't think we've ever even talked about a linebacker
unless it was Vontes Berfect, Yeah, when he was here.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, Jahide Campbell is a unique guy.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
And can do everything. Can cover, it's good against the run,
can come off the edge. Yeah, like he he can
do everything. But that labor issues hovering over.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, just in general, did did they look at him
medical wise and give him a thumbs up? If the
answers he asked that. I'm in on him on seventeen,
even if he has to miss a few games. I
don't look at the draft that way, like I know
everyone's gonna write. I can't view it that way. Sure,
because Joe Burrow played ten games as a rookie, and
guess what he was the right pick? Like t Higgins
missed four games every year.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Guess what he was the right pick? Yeah, but those
guys played for the Bengals during a year where you
said it's they're not winning this year, no doubt, right,
And they they're not winning this year, and they're not
dogged by well they always get off to a slow start.
They're trying to win the Super Bowl this year, and
they're trying to do that by avoiding the h and
two or zero to three start. So, if you're gonna
tell me my first round pick, it ain't gonna be

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on the field week one.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
And there in the face of that, no doubt. And
there are rumblings that he's gonna be clear for camp
and all those things. We'll see, we've been there. We
don't know if that's actually going to be the case,
but Ja High Campbell would be my my target, not
the only one. There are cleaner guys, but I think
those cleaner prospects. Kevin Banks Junior, I think he's long gone.
I think he's gone before ten tonight. He's gonna be

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picked in the top ten, twelve at the worst.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
And so you've mentioned neither of the two safeties that
we've talked about most at seventeen. Yeah, let's talk about him, right, Well,
did a little we come back? How about that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Don't have to me.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
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Com locked on Bengals enter the Jungle. You got a
lot of competition now there by the way, I FanDuel
Sports Network after Reds games, Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
What else?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, you've got the Golf Show, Jimmy Hanlin and somebody else,
Natalie Golbis playing golf. Okay, And then after yesterday's game,
I think I was watching billiards. Come on, man, yeah,
what are we gonna do something better? It's draft ge draft,
let's go. If I had control of that, you know

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how it would go twenty four to seven draft around
the Reds among you what we were talking about your
mock draft Sanders or Samar Stewart from from Sex Sanders seventeen? Though?
What about controversy this summer in Cincinnati? Oh my god?
And I said of the players that are likely to
be available, that they were likely to pick. You hadn't
talked about the two safeties that have been talked about,

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a ton Yah even Worry from South Carolina and Malachi Starks.
Why not either of those two?

Speaker 3 (14:26):
There's nono, no, there's no not.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I just think that Jahad Campbell, Walter Nolan, Calvin Banks
and all of those guys could be gone.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
But I think those guys are higher. I personally would
be in on Nick, even Warry and maybe even yeah,
probably Malachi Starks over Mike Green right. Just and I
think that's a take to a lot of people listening
right now. The Nicky Man Worry thing is interesting because
it's it's going to come down to how does Al Golden?

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Because I think the front office loves him.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
It's very much like Daxelley's just bigger, but he's a
really versatile piece that can do a lot for you
six three two twenty.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Is Al Golden on board? And is the vision? Does
the visional lie? And if it does, I'm all in
because he's another guy. He's not Johiagh Campbell, but he's
a guy you can build around, help establish an identity.
I mentioned Rokwan Smith with the Ravens at linebacker. What
safety do the Ravens have that is really darn good? Well,
Kyle Hilton, Kyle Hamilton.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
If you think nickimn Worry can be ninety percent of
Kyle Hamilton, I'm in on him at seventeen right, And
maybe they do. And as far as Malachi Starks, maybe
he is your not just Jesse Bates replacement. Maybe he's
your future Pro Bowl safety and he's a guy that
projects to be high floor. Pretty darn high ceiling played
better in twenty three than twenty four. But I think

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a lot of people in the NFL view him highly.
So I'd be open to either guy. I want to
talk about what you want them to do here in
a second. But you and I both know if they
take an edge rusher at seventeen, there's going to be
a lot of speculation that Trey Hendricks since time in
Cincinnati is about to be short. Yeah, do you subscribe
to that belief? No? No, I think nobody here does.

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I think that's more of a thing outside Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Sure, because if they, let's say they take Shamar Stewart,
the guy I mock to them, but it could be
Mike Green, it could be whatever edg Rush you're listening,
that guy's gonna compliment Trey.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Right, Yes, yes, they they need.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
A guy to compliment Trey. It doesn't mean they're not
going to pay Trey. And that would be the goal
because they don't know if Miles Murphy can do that.
They don't know if to a suppose I can do that,
and if so, he's gonna get paid a heck of
a lot more money elsewhere after the season, and they
need another option there, and I think they would.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Like one, And it also gives them some insurance if
they don't get something long term done with Trey. But
I don't.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Foresee a tray trade regardless of what happens this weekend.
The only way that happens is if someone in the NFL,
a team in the NFL goes to the Bengals and
ups whatever they've offered, because right now, the Bengals have
know for a fact, they haven't even considered any of
the offers. They went like, oh man, let's let's have
a meeting, right.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
It was like, okay, thanks, yeah, yeah, second round pick high,
You're okay, sure, I'll show you you know. Yeah, But
why why would a team do that? If I could
just draft one of the many edge rushers out there,
and that's that's the whole and that's no one's gonna
do that.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
It's highly unlikely. Right in the other element is like,
let's just say Detroit did say let's go get Trey Hendrickson.
Here's pick twenty eight. Are we sure the Bengals are
in at pick twenty eight or would they want twenty
eight and a fourth rounder? Like I still don't even know, Like,
and they didn't. They never got a first round pick offfer.
But even if they did, and it's the end.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Of the first round, you're trading Shrey Hendrickson for James Pearce,
Like if you're the Bengals, Like, is that what you do?
They're trying to win.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Now, remember that we talked about.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
It win exactly well, and that's that's why you know,
all along my take on Trey specifically has been like,
negotiate with him, but if he's here under a one
year deal, Like, if he decides I'm going to miss
football games, then there's nothing you can do about that.
I'm gonna win the title this year. I'm not trading
him Trenton that can win it this year. Yeah and so,

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and by the way, it's not like they added a
pass rusher and free agency, I'm not sure how good
Joseph Osaw is, Like I think it's I think the
idea of complimenting Trey Hendrickson with a first round edge
rusher is awesome. Sure, let's do that.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
And that's like the path that's selling me on Shamar
Stewart is that Trey Hendrickson is going to command a
bunch of double teams. Right, Stewart is the super athletic
guy that creates havoc and chaos, and he does.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
He's they had.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Thirty nine pressures. He's going to make plays. He's gonna
make plays in the backfield. And so with Trey, it
makes sense. The national media is saying, oh, well, this
guy can help replace Trey. No way right, No way right,
And the Bengals don't feel that way either.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah. So if the first round went according to your plan,
who would you want them to take?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
All right, this is tough. I think Johad Campbell's one.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Because you were the ultimate and this is what NFL
teams for the most part, Do you are the ultimate?
Pick players in the positions guy? Yeah? Right, it's about
getting Does it matter if they take a trench pick
if the guy can't play, No, Like you just mentioned
Miles Murray, and maybe Miles can play, by the way,
but you don't want to wait three years, Corre. I
need a guy that can play right now. Yeah, and

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so regardless of position.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's that's definitely where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
So all right, I'm gonna give you my rankings here
go through, because I don't have him ranked in front
of me, but I have my big six in front
of me.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Johid Campbell is one, all right, so that's one. Two
would be Walter Nolan. I don't know about the character stuff,
but I do think as long as that's okay, yeah,
he can make an impact. Three is gonna surprise him people.
Kevin Banks Jr. I forgot Kevin Banks Junior. I think
he's gone, Like in my head, he's long gone. So
he's third after that. This one is gonna be the

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one that's Colston Loveland. That's the cleanest. He's so like
you don't have to worry about fit like you would
with Nick even worry and vision. You don't have to
think about the off the field stuff and the football character.
And this idea that the Bengals offense can't get better
is kind of stupid.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I mean it is. Did we watch the last the
game they played in Pittsburgh when they couldn't move the
ball at the end of the game, like t goes
down and they're lost, Like they can get better, and
so this idea that that's like Drew Sample's their starting
tight end right now, Mike sick as their starting slot, right,
let's be one three. Yeah, And so if Colston Loveland's

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eighth on their board, because I haven't ranked ahead of
Derek Carmon and Derek Carmen's eighteenth on their board, should
they take Harmon? Like, are you telling me they should
take I will say no to that. Now.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
I don't know where Colston is. I know Colston would
be really high on my list.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I think you're gonna have someone who say, look, you
don't want to reach, but there are times you could
justify it when you have the needs the Bengals have. Right,
there are times where it makes sense to overpay for something.
There were there are times where it makes sense to
kind of get out of your your comfort zone. And
some would say, even if you're reaching a little bit,
if you're addressing a position that represents a huge, glaring need,

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go ahead.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
And do it.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Ten ten slots, ten slots as much is a bit much.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
If Colston Leveland's fifteen and Derek Carmen's sixteen, five right splitting,
But that's much different to me. But if it's like
clear cut different levels, I just can't do that. I
just that is not, especially when I know that leve
Let will help right away. You want instant impact. Well,

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instant impact. He's gonna block and he's gonna do everything
Eric All did plus some. So there aren't many guys
I'm saying this about. It's not like I have a
bunch of receivers on my list. Well, I was surprised
Serve receiver and Tyler Warren falls under that bucket too.
Plug and play guys that will help you right now.
It doesn't mean that should be your top target, but
they better be talking about him. And by the way
they are talking about him, it's not that shouldn't shock anyone.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I know what it is. It's not a non starter.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I don't think it's a non starter.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Night all right, you don't have any wide receivers in
your mock draft. No, you don't have any running backs either,
I know. So we have to talk about that we
do and the guard position. Will we come back? James
or pen failed? You'll fail me at all. I did
why I did because of the guards.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
I don't even have an that doesn't until the sixth round.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, I was surprised you didn't have a running back.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
So we have to spend I got that wrong.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, we'll we'll find out. Let's let's have to do
the thing and then we'll come back and read the
read the thing, the thing and see if my computers working.
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How late will you work tonight am two am and

(24:03):
then right back at it tomorrow early morning. Yeah, because
it'll be day two. Targets, Tomorrow is the best day
of the draft. Tomorrow is the best day of the
whole process, because you get concrete news tonight that you
can talk about and still speculate about a lot of
important stuff on Friday.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Night, which I'm sure in twenty four hours or so
we'll be doing. Right here.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I'll be I'll be calling you.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yes, I won't be here. I just mean right here
listening wherever you listen.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
My phone call toy. I don't know in the availability.
If they bring the pick in at some point, at
some point between three o'clock and six o'clock tomorrow, I'm
going to have you on the air.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
And it is fun because you're right. You get to
analyze what they could do, talk about what they already did.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
And it's not like the weeks leading up to it,
which are a lot of fun, is purely speculative. Tomorrow
you get something hard news, you get concrete, but there's
still a lot of fun speculation.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
And.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
It's uh, it's good. We'll hear from the first round pick.
I forgot about that, so that'd be a good one there.
I clearly find I know more about what you have
to do tomorrow than you do. I know, that's right.
I've done this for a while, and I'm like, what
your mock draft. You have a first round pick tomorrow
to talk to your your mock draft. You have him
taken alignment in the third round.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah, well, boys, not a guard.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
He is.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
He's played some guard, but he's a tackle.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
He's gonna be a guard. Yeah, buckle up, buckle up, butter,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
First of all six eighty three, nineteen in like in
for that buckle up, Yes, yeah, this guy could play guard.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I believe he could play from Boston College.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Can you play guard week one? Can he beat out
the other guys?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
I hate that they're in this position, but yeah, I think,
no doubt, I think he can experience guard.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay, the approach to guard this offseason, you have qualms with.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's the biggest failure of the off season.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Agreed not agreed close because there were good ones out
there that still are still are, but the ones who signed,
not one of them was. I like, I wouldn't have
done that. Kevin Zeitler, Right, you're telling me, you're telling
me that you couldn't have beat out the Tennessee Titans
for Kevin Zeitler.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Right, stop it, right, stop it. So it's the dumbest
one year deal Soda Nashville.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So I hate that they're there, but they are there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
So I think Ozzie Tripelo could.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
He could play guard Week one r NFL one. I
think he's capable of that. Dylan Fairchild another one out
of Georgia. I think that they would target in that range.
I think that they'll be in on Emery Jones out
of LSU. I have more concern about him, but I
think they really like him. Okay, so there's a few
in your Monck draft. No running back? Is that reflective
of Zach Moss being cleared and coming back? Na partially?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
And I think I failed there because so I did
this yesterday, and I just think that this running back
class I've said the whole time. I mean months ago.
I told you I was like, this running back class
is too talented. I think they drafted running back if
I and I don't redo it. But if I was
redoing it, I would find an area for a running back.
I think they take a running back over the next
three days, probably not tonight.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Just to be probably not tonight, probably not to take
up and take genty. Yeah, I don't think so. If
he's there, yes, they better. If he's there Corey Kiner,
like in round six, Sure he's getting drafted. No he
But that's the thing. So Dana and I talked about
this on Tuesday. At that point, I don't want him
to get drafted like you want it for him because

(27:22):
it's cool to say he got drafted here his name called, Yeah,
but for him to go find the best fit, like
for a running back in particular, yeah, like have your
pick of teams that want you and go to the
best spot. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
I think Corey Kiner, if you would have asked me
three months ago, I would have set drafted. But given
the talent in this class, yeah, plus didn't have a
great pre draft process, right, I think he's undrafted. Yeah,
and I think he would make sense now. I don't
think that gets in the way of drafting one because
there's just so many good ones, right, so many guys

(27:52):
that like give you another dynamic, and it matters.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I know people don't think it matters. It mattered, and
you saw it with Chase Brown last year. Right, if
you get a dude, can really help a handful of
folks who do a lot of mock drafts. I've had
Skataboo in round four. Yeah, your reaction and the look
on your face was the same as mine. I know
your your reactions, and.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
It was do you think that guy's running over Roquan Sman?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
No? I don't. And this is so like I loved
like him in the playoff this year was awesome, was awesome.
I've had people tell me that he's better than Jet
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's that that's ridiculous, insane, Like, yes, you know who's
better than Camp's Kataboo. Anyways, one ninety five, Jayden Blue
out of Texas. Because he's a guy that gives you
a different dynamic, you know, Devin h Chan.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, he's that.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
He's a little lesser version, but he's that.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's what I want. I want someone who gives you
a little, a little different wrinkle. If you want a
big back, fine, I'm fine with that. Then give me
Jordan James out of Oregon. Campskataboo's fine. But I don't
even think the Bengals look at him until round five,
and I think the NFL is lower on him than
most think. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it goes round three,
but I think everybody wants the Bengals to trade down.

(29:07):
Can that happen? If Trey Hendricks is not involved?

Speaker 3 (29:10):
It can? Trading down can in round one?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
It can? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:15):
I think I think Mike Green is a trade down candidate.
I think Donovan Azaraku would ideally be a Charleston College
Boston College be a trade down production off the charts,
Kenneth Grant trade down candidate. Yeah. But the thing with Asraku,
he's small like Green.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Right light yeah, right in the Bengals care about that, man,
I'm telling you, but see that matters. But no doubt
about it. There's the ultimate like compare contrast him versus Stuart.
We're Stewart. It's all the trades, it's all the measurables,
the production. And he did have thirty nine pressure. That's
a lot. That's a lot of pressures.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
That's more than the rest of the Bengals team happened.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
No, so the trades are there, the law production is not.
With Asaku, the production is insane. Yeah, sixteen and a
half sacks, million pressures. Acc defense player. He's a great
pass rusher, yeah, but he's not uber quick and he's
light and so pick your poison, right, Yeah, but with
either guy, we're gonna have questions in regardless to I

(30:13):
hate it because I lean production, because the production tells
me this is gonna sound so like old school ish,
like the kind of analysis would come from her Grandpaul.
Like the production tells me the guy knows how to
play football and get.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
The job done. I get it and finished plays.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yes, And I know that's like the most unnuanced analysis
you'll find. No, but I can't help but feel that
way un nuanced. I think it's good analysis because well,
these teams they overthink it. They overthink it, and and
that's why I'm the draft is hard enough. Just look
at the player and and decide, like everyone does the

(30:51):
position thing, and that's fine. The Bengals are going to
take a lot of defensive players. I've had so many
people say defense only this draft. Yeah, No, I mean today,
did they watched the guard play last year? And even
yet no doubt? And in general, like I just like
I would take a running back because it's the deepest position,
in the best position arguably in this draft. Where depends

(31:11):
on how the draft goes, right, and if I can
get another Chase Brown in round five, I can't say
no to that.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Honestly, what if you get him in round three? I
get it. I know, I know it sucks.

Speaker 10 (31:21):
I know you look at.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
No doubt, right, But but.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
You saying no to quin Shawn Judkins.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
No, But there's where you would go. Okay, you know
whatever positions they didn't address on defense in rounds one
and two, that could have been the guy in round three.
That's that's where I would have a hard time. And
that's why you don't go into They're going to come
out of this draft, even if they trade down and
you're gonna be like, this is the yeah butt draft.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, but they didn't get that.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's so. So my take is they can screw this
draft up. They can't really screw it up tonight because
they're gonna take a They're gonna take a good player
to position of need. Now the instant you know where
a lot of people are gonna go instantly is the yeah,
but for the player and then the position they didn't address.
But if you're looking at tonight in a vacuum, you're
gonna go, hey, they took an edge or they took

(32:13):
a guard players where they took a safety players they need?
What if they take a different position? What if they
take a corner or a tight end? So I'm just asking, well, corner,
if you subscribe to the belief you can't have too many,
And they haven't done anything to that. To me, that's like,
how do you feel about all these dudes coming back?

(32:34):
So back in January, when it's like, all right, the
position where they're most likely to not touch a thing
as corner, I kind of thought like, well, there's a
lot of guys with the upside and different coordinator, and
they drafted a lot of those guys early. Now that
we're in the heart oft spring, it's like, man, we're
really doing this with a whole bunch of guys who
were hurt or got benched or man. I just don't know.
So I won't be upset if they take a corner,

(32:55):
but I don't think that's viewed as the position of need.
Defensive tackle is interesting to me because I feel like
over the last three months we've gone back and forth
on the depth of the class at that position. Yeah, yeah,
I think there's depth. I think there's a lot of
nose tackles, but I think is interesting, and they did
take two last year who I think everybody is at
least a little bit high on. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
I think both guys can contribute. What they need is
a DT one, right ADU. That's Ah, that's the guy.
And so if you don't get him early, are you
taking one tomorrow? And maybe if Walter Nolan falls.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
To forty nine, sure, yeah, obviously if Derek Harmon's that,
but then he must hate football. Walter Nolan deflated every
football at will Miss and that's why no one.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Showed up at his birthday party and that's why he's
picked up forty teammates locker room or something like what
happened Walter, please do that? See you're there at forty nine.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
But it is interesting to me knowing the Bengals, I
still feel like you can say they have a need
there despite you know TJ. Slayton, who they draft last. Sure, yeah,
but I feel like if there's one if there's one
position where it feels like the consensus has moved a
little bit over the last couple of months, it's been
a defensive time. Agreed.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I think it's heavy at the top, and then I'm
there are guys mid rounds, like I think Ty Robinson
round four, who I mocked. I think they're Ty Hamilton
out of Ohio State on day three would be interesting.
You could go with Darius Alexander from Toledo on day two,
like there are guys throughout TYLERK. Williams out of Ohio
State round two. But how much better is he on

(34:34):
their board than Chris Jenkins Junior? Does he give them
a different element? Like because that's what you need. You
need the juice, the pass rush juice and a guy
that can hold up against the run. And there's just
only so many of those guys available, usually their first
round picks, and they're not still on the board at
forty nine.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Are you and your wife if you're not done having children.
I'm not gonna ask if you are aren't. That's a
personal question. But you just your wife gave birth last
week to your second. Would you name the third after
a Bengal? Two? We've have a we have a blake
now like a boomer a boot. No, that's you.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
That's your favorite Bengal all of course.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
No, dude, if you're my age, if you're my age
and a Bengals fan, that is your favorite all time player.
That's fair, right, Yeah, If you're your age, it's Chad Johnson,
no doubt right, No, it's your favorite all time Bengals
player Chad. Of course, not even close.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
It should be it should be. Yes, it could be Corey,
but it's not Chad. It was just different. But I'm
just saying teams that won my era, Yeah, I love.
And then you talk to people a few years younger
than I mean, it's a j Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Aj is a part of this draft. Yes, that's kind
of cool.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
We gotta go, Yeah, we have to tearing.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
We don't have to go. You have to go to work. Man,
Thanks so much as always. Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Usually this is when you ask me, do you want
to stay?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Dude? I will. I will keep doing this with you.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, let's go. Let's keep talking.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Dude?

Speaker 4 (35:48):
That was easy?

Speaker 2 (35:48):
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Speaker 3 (35:49):
Does that work?

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Was easy? I partially because our computers are broken, So.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
No, I planned. I plan on staying past four perfink.
I have to do it for another mind.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I don't know another You're new born at home. He's
a toddler, like dude.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I don't not going all the way home. Now, you
got me in throwing their Kentucky.

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Speaker 2 (38:50):
You're doing another mock dress. Good Burris getting each other.
What's what's going on over there? Is there who pick fantastic?
Fantastic I'm gonna spoil it, ruined drapped day? Yeah, the
league itself? Yeah, where are you in these quarterbacks?

Speaker 3 (39:11):
I think if I'm the Cleveland Browns who have been
starving for a quarterback like the Bengals of the nineties
but for decades, this idea that I'm too good for
Shadar Sanders is pretty stupid. H I really do feel
that way, Like I get it, Like there was a
comp like a week or two ago, and he's Andy Dalton.
The brown should do cartwheels if they can get Andy Dalton.

(39:34):
And so that's coming from you, Andy Dalton will yeah, correct,
people remember what I used to nickname it about. But
he's not bland. He's got some star to him too,
And so I think for the Browns, of course they
should be in and I think that's weird. The Steelers
same thing. Their quarterbacks starve. Now I think that's fair

(39:55):
to say. But maybe he does fall, maybe he's rubbed,
team is the wrong way, or maybe this is all
pre draft stuff and he's a first round pick and
all of those things go go by the way side.
I would say this, Jackson Dart scares the hell out
of me far more than should or Sanders.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
The shardor Sanders logic. I think Adam Schefter put this
out there that Pittsburgh would be the team that made
the most sense because you know, wherever Chador goes, instantly
people are gonna wonder as his dad gonna take over
his head coach the moment things go wrong. Maybe not
in Pittsburgh because they got Mike Tomlin. Yeh, say one

(40:32):
about Mike Tomlin. It feels like he's not going anywhere,
so that maybe from that standpoint, that would be best
for for him. If if i'm Chudor, I'm rooting for Pittsburgh,
no doubt, Yeah, perfect Landings, Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
You're You're not gonna be a throw first team. You're
gonna run defense structure around DK Metcalf. Yeah, yeah, I
don't know if you're gonna have that George Pickens guy.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
See, but I don't have to throw it forty times.
But when I do throw, I got guys and go
get it.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
That's it, right, And so if I'm him, That's what
I'm rooting for. But if I'm Cleveland, like I'm a
weapons guy, does Travis Hunter change your your team? Like
when Joe Burrow was in the draft, we weren't talking
about Joe Burrow or no, Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
No, it was the quarterbacks, right, Some idiots talked about
Chase Young and I was stupid, but it was about
the quarterbacks. When you draft that early, you don't know
when you're gonna get back up there. So I think
Travis Hunter is the best college football player I've ever seen.
I believe that. I had a chance to watch him
when you See played him and went to Boulder for that.

(41:40):
But watching I mean they're on TV every week.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I think he's the best college foball player I've ever seen.
And part of that is just workload, right, fifteen hundred snaps.
I have no idea how good he's going to be
in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
I think he's gonna be really good.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, I would love him here, sure, because do you
think he's gonna be a really good corner and like
a a gimmick receiver or the dude could be a
wide receiver one and a.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
C be like really good at what That's why Cleveland
sucks for him because he they don't have a quarterback.
They have a forty year old Joe Flacco, So you
don't have a guy that that's going to be able
to get the most out of him, and then you're
going to be tempted to play him at corner. I'm sure,
just fine, but when you don't have the quarterback, it
just feels very hollow. And it's not just Cleveland. I'm
not picking on Cleveland. The Giants. Same thing. Like, if

(42:26):
they end up with Travis Hunter, it's like, Okay, is
Russell wil wil Russell Wilson going to maximize him and
at least they have Russell Wilson. I think he's better
than Joe Flacco at this stage. Sorry, but no, I
believe in Hunter in the right situation. And that's what's
tough is I could totally see him going to Cleveland,
which I think is the right pick. I would never
argue it at all. Yeah, but does it work? Tough

(42:50):
for me to see that work? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
I mean part of any player's success is where they go,
how they're coached, you know, the the environment around him.
And part of that is, like he's obviously extraordinarily gifted,
and every evaluation has said, like his his toolbox. He
isn't even fool yet, like he's he's still doing a lot.
He still did a lot of Colorado just based on

(43:12):
his raw athleticism, like once he learns NFL techniques like dude,
look out. But all of that gets watered down if
he's in Cleveland and the Browns continue to be the
Browns exactly a quarterback when you don't have one, it's
a it's a rough, rough spot. As a Bengals fan,
should I want the Steelers to have Aaron Rodgers next year?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
No, I do I want that to happen. Okay, I
want to see him sabotage in Pittsburgh's I don't think.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I don't think he will.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
They're too they're too built for like, I don't think
so I want to. They might be Cleveland, they might
be built chaos for him. But but the Browns aren't
going to be good next year, no matter what you sure. Yes,
the Steelers might be okay, Steelers last year.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Steel are going to be good with Aaron Rodgers. That's
why I don't want him there.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
No, I think Aaron Rodgers is washed, and I want
to see him try to sabotage the Steelers and maybe
it won't happen, but I want to see him try.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Sixty year old Aaron Rodgers is better than Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Okay, I mean Mason Rudolph. Mason Rudolph won't like sabotage
the team.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Sure, I see what you're saying. I don't think the
Steelers will allow that though, Like the Jets kind of
sold their soul and said, all right, what do you want?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Then got all his buddies. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I just think Aaron's gonna have to go in there
and be part of something.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, I just don't.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
I mean, I don't want the Steelers to be relevant.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
No, I don't either.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Mason Rudolph is the way that they are irrelevant? Fine,
but I want to Dart.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
I want him to not be good, but I also
want him to kind of be a train wreck, because
they're never a train wreck, and the best way for
them to be a train wreck is to bring in
this walking train wreck rage.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, maybe he just completely derails Mike Tomlin and Tomlin's
fired at the end of the year. Yeah, I mean,
I just think that's less likely than them winning eleven
games with Aaron Rodgers and being really annoying for the
Bengals and everybody else in the Alf's.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Maybe maybe I just him going on like the McAfee
show and throwing Mike Tomlin under the bus and the
Rooney family, Like, what's that would be fun?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Or he leads the Steelers to a forty to thirty
seven win over the Bengal Russell Wilson did this forty,
but that's more of.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
A byproduct of the Bengals having an atrocious defense. Yeah,
but not knowing that Justin Fields is going to run
the ball when the game's hanging to the balance.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
You don't got to tell me, right, you don't got the.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Entire stadium knows what Justin going to do. Jermaine Pratt,
what miss tackles? Will they like just cut him on Monday?

Speaker 3 (45:37):
It feels like Andy, don't Andy, don't Joe. Everyone knew
they were taking Joe, and he was still on the
roster until that Monday.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Right and then what I hate about and Jermaine Burton
or Jimmie Burton and Jamie Burton was a different is
Jermaine Pratt. Watching him this year was painful. He missed
a lot of tackles and I didn't like how he
handled the criticism that came his way. What I hate
about what happened with him this year is sort of
for a lot of people obscures the fact that this
guy was a big part of when they were good,
no doubt, is one of the biggest plays in the

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history of the franchise.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
And multiple big plays during both of those rounds.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I mean the Travis Kelce fumble in twenty two, right
of course is that and then they begin in the
city and it's like, oh, Joe brows three and zero
against my homes. It's like, oh, yeah, well, defense showed
up and played. Yeah, it's a shame that it's gone
this way. Yeah, hopefully lose Watching that tape and the
Colts trade for him Saturday, that'd be fun.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Don't think it's gonna happ that'd be fun. So nobody's
gonna trade for Jamaine Burton. They'll cut him on Monday. Jermaine,
you're trying to break news here. The Bengals had two
guys named Jermaine who were not helpful last year. But
Jermaine Burton I heard was that the practices this week,
the workouts. That's that's step one. Man. You gotta show up.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
You gotta show up, right, you do. Gotta show up.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
The first step in that dude's career, it's like to
not being a screw up is show up at work.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
He's talented. If he handles his business, of course he's talented,
it'll be okay, but he's got to handle his business.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
First thing you have to do is show up, no doubt,
and he did that this week. Is there anybody else
on the team right now that could be a trade candidate?

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Do they take a corner tonight?

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Well, because camp Cam's going into the last year his due, Like,
if you're going that route, I think that's kind of edgy,
but I for them. But if you take Will Johnson
seventeenth overall, are you keeping Cam going into a contract
here knowing you're not extending him?

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Maybe not? If they take Tyler Booker as Cordell Wilson,
does he have any trade value? Like maybe he does
run first team, Maybe he does.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Maybe we haven't talked seems.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Redundant with Cody Ford and Lucas Patrick, like you have
your backups.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
We haven't talked about Tyler Booker yet. He has been
the lineman that has been talked about most in connection
to the Bengals in the first round, no doubt. Why
have we not talked about him yet?

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Maybe that's me trying to steer the Bengals in a direction.
I think Tyler Booker is going to be a solid
NFL player, but at seventeen there's a certain level of
upside that you want, and history says that he's not
going to hit that.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
All right, here's been my sort of overall draft take.
I want them to take rat Ledge at forty nine, okay, right, yep,
and then what they do around that will make work.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
If you take Ratlage at forty nine, I would say
he's got a high floor and a really high ceiling,
and so he can give you everything Booker would give
you at seventeen.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Right, Just so I think that's more to them. What
is the difference the difference between Booker and Ratledge. If
it's thirty two picks, if it's Booker at seventeen.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Or rat Ratledge might not be there at forty nine, right,
I think?

Speaker 6 (48:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
And that's my thing, Like, if you can convince me
he'll be there at forty nine, do what you gotta
do on defense? Got it at seventeen?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I mean, I think Ratledge is the better prospect.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
And you follow this a lot more closely than I do.
But everybody that not everybody, but a lot of people
that I have read, do not have that much of
a separation between the two or think Ratledge is better.
So I've looked at this from the standpoint of like,
if you could tell me I can get Ratledge at
forty nine, let's go.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yeah, And in Booker, maybe you can. I don't think
I'll fall away to forty nine.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
So, but like.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
He checks everything, But then then in the pre draft
process he tested so poorly and that matters.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
For offensive linemen. We haven't talked about Xavier Wats yet.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Does the al Golden connection compel them to try to
get him at forty.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Nine if he's there? I think if he's there and
they haven't addressed safety. It'll be him and Kevin Winston
Junior out of Penn State. I think those are the
two safeties that are in playing round two.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
If Xavier Watts and Tate Ratledge are both on the
board at forty nine, then they could pick one. Who
would they pick and who would you pick?

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I would take Tate Ratlicic, simple, Right, you're protecting your quarterback.
I think they They may say Dylan Fairchild is just
as good of a player at Georgia. He could be
there round three. Jonas I Neat out of Arizona. Maybe
he's still there, like Ozzy Trapillo out of Boston. Like
there are guys. This is our last safety and we

(50:25):
have a first round grade, like they could have a
first round grade on Xavier.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, you know Fairchild, the knock is not a lot
of experience that twenty four starts of the sec. What
experience was lacking?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah, and he may go sooner too, right, they may
have him. That's the thing is usually with these linemen.
We like a few years ago, it was the t.
Higgins Draft, it was Josh Jones made it through round one, right,
and then he made it to round three because the
NFL just felt different. Yeah, and that could be the
case with Ratlic. You just never you never know.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
But yeah, I could see them saying, Xavier Wats, come
on down, stabilize our defense.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Shocked me? What kind of shock me? If he's there,
I think he's just stable. I think you get him
in it. Maybe it goes to night. Wouldn't floor me.
We've seen much crazier things, mane.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
But it feels like everybody has made it about starts
and even Worry and then some Room and then Watts Watts.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
And I Winston is awesome, right, I like Winston a lot,
and then Mkuba in round three. I think there are
other guys after that, but these big four or five
could come.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
In and start. So yeah, all right, you got a
sandwich to eat. It's twenty four after four o'clock. We're
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Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, twenty four after our r You gotta go to
work now. I mean it's up to you.

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No good? Brendanman and Jones on Baseball's coming up in
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less than six hours away mo from the like from
from Bengals, less than six hours away. Yeah, would you
want to go to Green Bay? Would you want to
go watch the Draft in person? And I know, like
your job, you kind of could.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, it would be cool if it wasn't work at all, right,
but like no, I would be too even if everything
was covered, I would want to talk about it, be
doing it, like that's so right. Yeah, I would feel
like I was missing out. I feel like as weird
as that is.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Uh. The year I graduated from college, my then girlfriend
eventual wife, we decided to go to Times Square for
New Year's Eve, Yeah, because I always thought on TV
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(54:53):
just stand here for like the next ten hours. It
was like nothing really to do. There's no entertainment, Like
you really know where to go to the bathroom either,
which is just stood there. And I I feel like
the draft would be a somewhat similar experience.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
If correct, like unless you had like front row knowing
the prospects are going to be there. Yeah, that's a
big part of it too. I mean, how many guys
at the Bengals drafted in recent years where they're home? Yeah,
I mean, and I don't just mean the COVID year,
I mean after that, like Dax was home, ma Marius
was home, like a lot of these guys are home.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, So yeah, it would be a little different. I
don't need to see Roger Goodell that much that too.
Did you prefer him in his basement or on the stage?
Him and his basement wearing his likes medium shirt. I
thought was a bowl of candy there next to him,
you know, so he's trying to look relatable, like, Oh,
I sit in my basement just like you.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
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Speaker 3 (55:51):
That's low a little Biteah, it probably is, isn't it fifty?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I don't know, man, does it matter at that point?
You don't think Trey Hendrickson's going to get traded? No,
what outcome of the Trey Hendrickson thing do you think
will be talking about when the season starts.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
I think he maybe he bets on himself again, But
I don't think there's a clause in his deal that
could prevent him from getting tagged. So if you're him
and you like Cincinnati, and I think the Bengals are
kind of going this route now and playing this out,
and they offer you a substantial raise, are you turning

(56:28):
it down?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Do you want to do that? I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
And so that's that's it now. I think a big
part of this is the Bengals need to show Trey
a little more, hug him a little bit and communicate
with him and show him, show him some love.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I think that matters to him, and that Like I
when Katie Blackburn talked a few weeks ago, I understood
what she was saying. Sure, I understood it, and I
don't think what she was saying was necessarily wrong. I
defended her, but I could understand why Trey would go really.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Well say that.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
But also talk with Trey. Yeah, like that's the problem, Like,
make sure that the communication is there so he doesn't
say I haven't heard anything, Like what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
It should be open.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Dialogue with a guy like that, not every player. I
get it.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
You can't trade every guy that say different, trade should
be different. The best defensive player by a large large, large, large,
large margin.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
All right, anything else we haven't covered, not really.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I think the Bengals are most likely to address defense tonight.
Certainly could go offensive line, trade down, certainly in play
I would I would consider trading up if a Will
Campbell fell or a Mason Graham fell, if you give
up that eighty first pick, you move up a few
spots and you get one of those guys, do it.
I know they don't have a lot of picks, don't
care elite player. I think that's it. I think that's

(57:57):
the last thing.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
If the with in the draft this year, not you know,
two years from now, but if this year's draft class
doesn't yield immediate dividends, can they win the Super Bowl?
Not unless they get super aggressive and free agency, like
go get Brandon Surf, go get Zadarius Smith, go get

(58:19):
I mean, which by the way, helps your roster a
tone like they still could do that.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
But that's not bengalsy. No, we know they're not. Maybe
they get sure, maybe, but they're telling you, hey, we're
comfortable with drafting a guarter two this weekend. So we'll
see what they do.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
But yeah, they still could a bunch of different ways
because of who is under center, but they don't make
it easy on themselves. I'll say that. Yeah, I mean
because of who is under center. That's all will and good.
But we said all year last year, you can't ask
him to do everything. Sure, and you know this offseason
when the season ended last year, we all said, this

(58:57):
is a huge off season, got to be an overhaul,
infusion and of talent. Well, they really didn't get one
in free agency. So if they don't get one in
the draft, was that just something we said or is
that something we actually meant.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Yeah, I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
I still don't get why they didn't do more free agency. No,
it's frustrating. It's really maddening because they could have waited
to do Tea and Jamar right now, and that clearly
took their attention and their resources, and in structure of
the contract like all of those things. It's like, by
Katie's on ad mission, you didn't have to structure it
that way if that's what you were worried about, Like.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
That irks me.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
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Whether it's been the people who cover the team here
locally or folks who are part of the cottage industry
of draft analysts, we've had someone I think almost every
single day over the last three or four weeks. The
only angle we haven't covered yet is maybe my favorite gambling.
We've got a draft gambling expert coming up in just

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about ten minutes. First among our experts on our show,
the always popular Joe Goodberry from Bengals on the Brain.
When we had him on the show two weeks ago,
I asked him, if the first sixteen picks went according
to plan, who would he want the Bengals to take
with the seventeenth overall pick.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Ooh, that's a good way to start it. I would say,
I'm circling down to my last few guys, and I
would really love Calvin Banks Junior. He's a left tackle
at Texas. We're talking about a five star recruit twenty
one years old, but I think he'd be a better guard,
especially early in his career the way he plays. I
just put on the Michigan game for Bengals on the Brain,
our last episode, and he's taking on Mason Graham Kenneth

(01:05:40):
Grant because they slide the protection a lot, and he
ends up inside even playing left tackle, but he gets
Josiah Stewart. I'm another fifteen or so reps, and man,
he has a dominant performance versus all three of them.
He plays low, he plays aggressive, he's strong, he's got
great balance and anchor. I think he'd make an excellent guard,
and one of the few guards probably hit the ground

(01:06:01):
running as rookies because they don't tend to perform really
well offensive lineman offense. Defensive linemen tend to take a year.
But I still would do it and say, hey, because
we have such a big need, because I think he'd
normally be a top ten pick in every other class.
But it's a pretty strong a line class. If Calvin
Banks is still there, I would see that as a
home run.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Joe Goodbarry Bengals on the brain. I think this is
one of the most important questions as we look at
this class because there's a lot of needs. Many of
the needs. Many of the needs line up with where
the depth is in this draft. But I still think
it's worth asking and we'll talk about it tonight. Talked
about it with Joe. Where is the position that the
Bengals starting tonight could least afford to wait?

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
I would say defensive tackle, and defensive tackle is an
interesting one because I want a pass rusher. Right If
we're saying, if we're trying it with needs, they need
to get more explosive inside, they need to get more athletic,
and side, they need some pass rush help. Signing TJ
Fighting is great for defending the run and giving you
a big body nose tackle but for sixty percent of
the game, when the other team's throwing the ball, you
need someone to go get the quarterback, and I'm not

(01:07:05):
sure they have a guy that can do that. Chris
Jenkins was never profiled as a high end pass rusher.
Neither was Kiley Jackson. I assume they expect those guys
to take steps in year two. But is that enough.
Do you have defensive tackle number one or is that
bj Hill? Because I would say that's not good enough
for a championship team. They need a DT one. But
because you drafted McKinley Jackson and Chris Jenkins last year,

(01:07:27):
kind of that's your second and third round pick. I mean,
are you gonna spend another second third rounder on a
similar player? I think if it happens, it would be
first round. It would be Walter Nolan out of Old
miss It beat Derek Hartman out of Oregon. Guys that
can rush the pass or get upfield, provide some athleticism,
give you an instant impact, and give you something you
don't have of the four guys on the roster right

(01:07:48):
now in that room. But if you don't get them
at seventeen and you wait, I think you're adding similarly
similarly graded players as Chris Jenkins, which at that point,
if it's a position that takes a year to develop,
is helping you in twenty twenty five, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Joe Goodbary Bengals on the brain. Get more of that
conversation on our page ESPN fifteen thirty dot com or
the podcast page at ESPN fifteen thirty dot com podcast
of our show A service of long necks, which is
where we are right now. One more. Nick bomb Gardner,
draft analyst for the Athletic. In his mock draft, he

(01:08:24):
had the Bengals taking Mike Green, the edge rusher from Marshall.
I think he is probably the player who across the
board has been mocked most to the Bengals. And he
had Mike Green going one spot ahead of Tyler Booker,
the guard from Alabama. And so I asked Nick why

(01:08:44):
he likes Mike Green slightly more than Tyler Booker.

Speaker 9 (01:08:49):
That's a really good question. I mean, honestly, I think
you could go either or right. You know, I went
Mike Green on that one, you know, because like we said,
it's a situation with it's Hendrickson or nobody in terms
of pass rush there for the most part in Cincinnati.
So that was my sort of tie break. But like
you said, he's a really complicated sort of evaluation for
a lot of off the field you know, concerns and
all that sort of thing. Teams are really gonna have

(01:09:09):
to do their homework there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
But you know you mentioned it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:13):
I mean, Tyler Booker would be a terrific pick there.
I feel like, I mean, we've talked a lot over
the years about Cincinnati trying to fortify things up front,
not just for you know, pass protection purposes, but for also,
you know, to give Burrow a run game that can
also protect him. I feel like Cincinnati's run game if
it could, you know, develop a little moreton for a
little more you know, beef in there, which is all

(01:09:35):
Booker really is at this point. I mean, he's the
most physical, probably the most physical offensive lineman. I would
argue maybe in the draft tackle or guard a guy
who you know, I like as a fit for a
lot of teams, and I'm not sure how long he'll
be around. By frankly, I think that that would be
perfectly fine for him to be gone there where Cincinnati
is that I think I did end up giving him
to Seattle, right, I think right after there. So yeah,

(01:09:58):
I mean I think Booker is a guy who can
come in right away and make an impact in the
run game and be a guy who probably even helps
you know, the guy next to him and that in
that standpoint as well. But I think the one question
with that a lot of people have with him is
he's a little slow footed. I think that that's been
you know, you get a big range on him in
terms of some people like him a lot, even a

(01:10:18):
little bit higher on their board, some people like him
a little bit lower. Uh big based on you know,
what he can can or can't do in terms of
passpro But for Cincinnati, absolutely, I think that pass rush
or a guard or you know, or offensive line in general.
But in this case it would probably be a guard
because I'm not sure about a tackle there. But I
think those are the two that I looked at the most,
either edge or somebody inside, and I think it was

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It's twenty five minutes after five o'clock ESPN fifteen thirty
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our guests come to us on the CCHI Roofing Hotline,
including our last draft expert of this entire process. We
do this every year. The last expert is our gambling guy,
Andrew Kayley from Covers dot com on Twitter at Covers Underscore.
Kaylee canna help us talk about the draft from a

(01:12:56):
gambling angle. We love having you, Andrew. Thank you so much.
You know, I think there's a lot of folks who
maybe dabble in betting on football, basketball, that sort of stuff,
but they don't really well, they don't bet on the draft.
And this started for me back in twenty twenty. I
think the the NFL Draft is an underrated gambling event.

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
For me, it is my It's my super Bowl. It
honestly is like people love betting on the super Bowl,
but for me, it is the most fun event to
bet on during the year at any point just because
one I think you're right. There is a lot of
value to be found if you've really got the time
to invest in in searching up for good odds and

(01:13:41):
putting your ear to the ground to listen to the
right people who are speaking. The only problem is with
NFL Draft betting is that what most people don't realize
is this is like one of the only markets we
have the whole year that is determined by basically here
say and rumors, and they can change at the drop

(01:14:02):
of a hat, like it doesn't take anything. I'm just
looking right now. I just tweeted right now I'm looking
at Shadara Sanders his draft position, which was three and
a half a week at Horisoto, then it jumped to
six and a half, then eight and a half. That
I have, I'm now looking at twenty one and a half.
The over is plus one sixty, so he's favored to
you go under that at mine is two hundred. Of course,

(01:14:26):
the Steelers picking at twenty one there but chees so much.
There's so much volatility with the draft betting. Your best
bet when it comes to draft betting is to find
what you think is the most probable outcome and try
to find the best value.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
Along with that.

Speaker 7 (01:14:43):
Like earlier in the week, I was seeing tenorro McMillan
on the board at plus four fifty plus five hundred
to be a top ten pick, and I know that
he I know I consider him to be the top
receiver in the draft, and I just don't see him
getting out of the top ten. So that's value for me.
And now that's changed. He's in the plus two hundred
grade as people have come closer and he's being linked

(01:15:04):
to the Jaguars, he's being linked to the Raiders. So
you really have to try to narrow down these markets
and find kind of like more long shot bets, I
would say, and you hope a couple of those hits leading.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
Up to Draft day.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Yeah, it's it's a really fun way to watch the draft.
I mentioned the pandemic. You know, five years ago, there's
no other sports. I hadn't made a wager in like
a month, and so the NFL Draft came and went,
and I thought, I'm gonna go ahead and play, and
I've done it every year since. Give me, give me
your what's your favorite NFL draft related betting market.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
Right now? At this point, it's probably draft position props.
This close to the draft, there's so much changing at
all times. The draft position props were where they will
be selected. Like I said, jitter standards right now said
it over under twenty one and a half, can't board

(01:15:59):
at over under one and a half sort of thing.
But see under is minus thirty thousand, so you're not
gonna be wasted any wagers on that one. But those
are the bets that I really like at this point.
For a little earlier, I like the top ten pick markets,
the top five pick markets, and searching for those guys
who are maybe not the consensus guys in those mocks,
but guys that maybe teams can like. Like we've heard

(01:16:21):
recently that a guy like Today Baron is being linked
to the Jets as high as number seven, and you
can get him at six to one to be a
top ten pick at this point, where his draft position
prop is sitting at over under eighteen and a half
with the under it heavily juiced at minus two forty,

(01:16:41):
and that is wagering two hundred and forty dollars to
win one hundred, So big, big favorite to go under
that number. So those are my favorite right now because
I'm a guy here. You talk about everybody and their
grandmother having a box draft. I have a guy who
watches a lot of college football and I try to
make it so I use what I've seen to make

(01:17:04):
Mike mock draft, and I if the process, the draft process,
the combine, the pro days, the testing, whatever, if that
helps a guy, I'm going to I'm going to use
that in my in my mocking. But I'm not going
to dig a guy if they don't maybe test so well,
but the game film is there. So a guy like
Malachi starts, I think that's a great guy that Cincinnati

(01:17:26):
should be a targeting. Right now, his draft position is
twenty three and a half with the under at plus
one's sixty. I actually I actually love that bet a
lot right now. He's my top safety in the draft.
I don't really get it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
He's to do it all.

Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
He's a do it all guy, and for Georgia he
is a super high huge football football IQ and the
Bengals lead guys who can play on the defensive side
of the ball, and that's Malachi Starts. Like I said,
hasn't tested overly great. That's why his over runners at
twenty three and a half for the under at plus
one sixty looks like a great value to me today.
And that he's he's one of those guys where you say,

(01:18:03):
now the profits doesn't really matter. I see on film
that this guy's a really good football player.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Yeah, you know, I don't do a mock draft, but
I look at it from the similar standpoint, from from
the standpoint of a guy sitting on my couch during
the fall watching college football. And then I'll use some
of the other stuff that happens during the draft process
to maybe inform me a little bit. But it takes
a lot for me to sway my thinking that I
started to develop when I was actually watching the guys

(01:18:28):
play college football games. Andrew Kayley covers dot Com senior
betting analysts with us one let me run one past
you that I like and this is a specific player
at a specific position. I feel like we've finally reached
a little bit of a consensus on how the top
four is going to play out. Obviously, a trade could
screw things up, but I like the Ashton genty at

(01:18:50):
number five to Jacksonville. I like the value might not
be great, but if I'm going to pick a player
to go to a certain team in a certain spot,
that's where my money is.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
What do you think?

Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
I just I just wrote, I just submitted my final
block draft and I have him known f four to
the Bears because I've been hearing a lot of rumbling
about the Bears trading up and getting him. So, uh,
that's that's my spot. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
wait all the values gone. Unfortunately, he's now minus one
sixty to go at that spot. He sorry, No, he's

(01:19:21):
minus one fifty to be a top five pick the
number five market. H he is the favorite now, I
believe at minus one fifteen. But that was like plus
five fifty just a few days ago. Like it's moved
so radically. I don't overly get it from the Jacksonville standpoints.
I still have some some faith in ettn and if

(01:19:42):
I'm Jacksonville, I want to get either Trevor Lawrence some
more protection or I want him to have another weapon
on the outside. So I have I have Tenerro McMillan
getting mocked to the Jaguars at that spot. But I
certainly see Jens Now pretty firmly as a as a
top ten, top five pick. Now and the oddsmakers are

(01:20:03):
agree now nowadays minus minus one sixty to go in
the top five. And hey, it's it's the return of
running back drafting running backs earlier sexte again. We've had
Jean Robinson a few years ago, and I put three
running backs in the first round of my mock draft,
which is not something I've done for a long long time.

(01:20:24):
So hey, running backs are fun. I like I like
them going early. You guys don't get too many chances
that a second contract, So give them first round contract
money and have some uh and let them enjoy their
lives a little bit early.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
That's that's that's why I got John, you know, to
sort of sway me if I was maybe going in
the wrong direction, and maybe I was. Can we bet
on can we bet on trades? Can we bet on
a number? Of trades per round, and can I bet
on specific NFL players established NFL players being traded during
the draft.

Speaker 7 (01:20:58):
Not I haven't seen any those at regulated books. Maybe
there's so many two offshore markets.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
That'll that'll have those, but those are those are.

Speaker 7 (01:21:09):
Hard to determine. Like we obviously have numbers from previous years,
like how many, how many trades have been made in
the first round, and it's always be very excited. It's
been really quiet to this point. We have I think
zero trades as we record this right now for the
first round, but it appears that everybody wants to trade
up and down at this point. I don't think we
see too many in the first few picks. I think

(01:21:31):
the even though we're hearing rumblings that both the Browns
and the Giants are are looking or at least listening
to calls in for those two and three picks. But
if the Titans go with Ward at one, as everyone
expects them to do, both the Titans or both the
Browns and Giants will have the opportunity to get what
I think are the only two Blue Jet prospects in

(01:21:52):
the draft, in a Carter and Hunter. So I would
be shocked if they've moved out. Yeah, betting on trade
is obviously a fun thing, but I most regulated books
will not have that option for you unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
All right, good the no, you know, you know as
well as anybody. When we get to the super Bowl,
people want to bet on exotics and crazy stuff and
oftentimes stuff that has nothing to do with the actual
game itself. Are such wages available during the draft.

Speaker 7 (01:22:19):
It's not the same. It's like the most crazy things
that you can bet all the positions of the mister irrelevant,
like will it be a defensive lineman sort of thing.
But most of the draft prop betting is is pretty straightforward.
Maybe you can select the position of the player that

(01:22:41):
your team will draft, like will Cincinnati draft a defensive
lineman or an edge rusher that is minus one seventy five,
But you can select any position sort of thing. I
kind of like the value with cornerback at plus three
twenty or safety at plus six hundred there. But it's
pretty straightforward just because there's just like I said before,
it it's it's all based on rumor, it's all based

(01:23:04):
on hearsay, and when you're you're putting real dollars down
on these markets, it's you've got to be pretty sure
that some of these things are going to happen. So
the sportsbooks that are now regulated are are not getting
too are not getting too wild with some of these props.
But there are a lot of product options now, like

(01:23:25):
there are so many things that you can bet on,
whether it's how many players from the SEC are drafted
in the first round, offensive players, who will be the
first quarterbacks elected, who will be the second quarterbacks elected?
The exact positions of certain players.

Speaker 5 (01:23:45):
You can do.

Speaker 7 (01:23:47):
Combination bets, the exact of the exact order will it be, say,
cam War Trappers under Abdul Kartner go one, two three.
There's a lot of options, and like I said, if
you're willing to try to sort through the no which
there is a lot of and it is very difficult
aid to sort through it. But if you are, there's
definitely value to be found in betting the NFL Draft.

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michelob Ultra five o'clock Happy Hour. My guess is Derek Harmon.
My wish is Derek Harmon or Tyler Booker. I've said
all along, I have formulated my draft opinions around the
likelihood of getting Tate Ratlage from Georgia the Guard at
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(01:26:54):
don't know, that's the beauty of the draft. If you can,
if you could guarantee me that, then we can go
in any number of any number of areas. On defense,
Shamar Stewart scares me. I understand trades versus production. I
leaned toward production. The Walter Nolan noise is just a
little bit too loud right now. I've got to nail

(01:27:16):
this first round pick, and I can't give whoever they
draft a year to figure it out. I need a
guy who can step in and play week one and
without knowing about the g hot Campbell medicals. I'm going
for likely the safest pick. I come back to what
Paul Danner Junior and I talked about on Tuesday. That's

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