May 15, 2025 • 41 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss the Bengals' 2025 schedule, and Trey Hendrickson's surreal appearance at practice.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
For the third consecutive season, the Bengals will play the
Baltimore Ravens on the road on a Thursday night, this
time on Thanksgiving. The Bengals will be playing on Turkey
Day for the first time in fifteen years. Baltimore won
both games against Cincinnati last season, and both losses were
heartbreaking for the Bengals. The game in Cincinnati was decided
in overtime by three points, and the return matchup in
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Baltimore was decided by just one point and came down
to a last second failed two point conversion. This matchup,
featuring two quarterbacks or MVP finalists, will likely have a
major impact on the AFC North race, as will the
remation Cincinnati. Just seventeen days later, it'll be the Bengals
and Ravens in Baltimore on Thanksgiving Night, Thursday, November twenty seventh.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Moe has more on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
The official hom the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'll tell you what, the guy who voices those is
really really good, really really good. He might have a
future and voiceover worth What's up Good afternoon on a Leger.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty. I feel like I haven't
been in this studio in a month. My thanks to
Chad Brendle for pinch hitting yesterday. I changed teams for
the afternoon and was on with the Boys down the
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Hall from the Holy Grail on the afternoon of Pete
Rose Night, which was a lot of fun. And then
we did our show at U See for five to
one to three day on Tuesday, and so I haven't
been in here, and frankly, I haven't had the chance
that I need that I deserve to talk about a
lot of stuff that's been going on. Specifically it relates
to the Bengals and Trey Hendricks and we had the
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schedule lease show last night. Lance and Tony really enjoyed that.
I popped on Paul Danner Junior's podcast, a Growlar Podcast
to talk about that as well, and a special Thursday
visit from Paul is in the office. Here he is.
By the way, Reds won the game today seven to one.
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Speaker 3 (02:13):
Go to EMORYFCU dot org. Hi Paul, how's it going?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I was on last night with Austin in what he
dubbed his hour five, and I was like, what is
happening over there?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But I was.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Wed six hours of schedule release on this station.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Man, it was it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It was great. I enjoyed it. It's one of my
favorite nights in sports. Yeah, it really is one of
my favorite nights in sports because there are gripes and
I've got some, but it's like Selection Sunday, no one loses.
It's just it's setting the table for excitement. It's a
piece that has to be sort of locked in and
now the season is not exactly here, but there are
no losers. I like schedule release night.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I feel like the Bengals marketing department might feel like
losers today. Yes, would have wouldn't have minded to have
a couple of primetime home games they could build some
stuff around. Yeah, you know, probably would probably probably would
have been something they felt like was pretty cool instead
of another year of, uh, I don't know, watch parties.
And stuff like that. But you're right, you're not. There
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really aren't losers, and I'm excited. There's a lot of
lot of fun trips at good times, a lot of
good stuff on the schedule. I know we'll get into
all of it, so I'll allow you to set it
up and take us for every direction you'd like.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, the first thing I was gonna do is I was,
you know, we have to check your work because you
did the mock schedule.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Box schedule, now the mock schedule.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I want to I want to preface this because I
this is not unlike when I do mock drafts. I'm
typically trying to anticipate what the Bengals will do. I
was trying to outline the best case scenario for the
Bengals for the sake of knowing what the worst case
would look like if it is the opposite.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
There were a few best case scenario hits on there.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I mean, you you nailed Minnesota week three, I did,
you nailed the bye week? I did Arizona Arizona. Yep,
you nailed the Baltimore game on the road. Maybe not
necessarily the placement in the day, but you nailed That's
not bad.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, it was okay, not bad. Yeah it was okay.
I'll take it all right.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So there's a few things with the schedule here. Let's
do this part. I know I mentioned this on yours look.
Regardless of who the Bengals were going to play week one,
the story of the summer, beyond Trey Hendrickson and where
he grandstands next is how did they get off to
a fast start? Can they win their first game? Can
they win their first two? So I'm looking for I'm
looking for bad teams. I'm looking for shaky quarterback situations.
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I'm looking for new head coaches. And granted we did
a lot of this last year with.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
The New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I don't have a new head coach in Cleveland, obviously,
but I got a weird quarterback situation, not a great team,
and then I get a rookie quarter or a rookie
head coach in Week two. This team needs to start
to and zero because of what happens over the next
five weeks after Week two.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's fair.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And it's interesting that you do get two of the
more winnable games on their schedule. If you were looking
at the most winnable games these you'd be starting pretty
close to these two and to get those early and
put that up against their history and what has happened
in terms of they don't win there. Obviously, the win
against Minnesota in twenty twenty one in overtime, a bit
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of a gift in its own right, is the only
win in the first two weeks of Zach Taylor's coaching career,
which is which is amazing. And it's been this problem
that they've had and now with so much focus on
the fast start with I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Everywhere I have gone this offseason where there has been
a Bengals representative in front of a microphone or a recorder,
this has been mentioned.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Fast start, gotta start faster. Ye, We're gonna take it
serious this year. You guys should have asked Trey Hendrickson
about that tray. But beyond this, do you think you
need a fast start? And are you impacting that right?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I'm actually surprised he didn't say that, because it has
been everywhere we've gone from Indianapolis to Palm Beach, to
practice this in the locker room, you name it. And
so if that's the case, and that's this important, and
you have this thing in the first two weeks that
has been a consistent problem there, all of a sudden
is a lot of pressure on these two games to
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be different, to look different. But to me, I have
a I'm willing to go bigger picture off of just
the first two weeks because then there's time to make
up for it and all that. My date is October seventeenth. Okay,
when you wake up the morning of October seventeenth, if
the Cincinnati Bengals are over five hundred, they are golden.
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They are in a fantastic place in the season in
the big picture of who they what they want to do.
This year's seven games, that is seven games in, that
is get to four and three. By that point, you've
had these five games straight against teams from the playoffs
last year. You had that first two where they've had
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the struggles with their winnable spots. If you're sitting there
at four and three, and now you get Jets at home,
Bears at home by Pittsburgh, New England.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I'm putting this on my phone.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
By the way, October seventeenth, Yes, October seventeenth.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
My birthday is the next day. Oh wow, which is
irrelevant and I'm older, but but you look at that
moment and say they are in a great spot if
they get to that, because this is brutal. You know,
at at Minnesota, at Denver, Detroit on a short week,
at green Bay Pittsburgh on a short week. I mean
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it's your two home games are both on short weeks.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Plus you have to do some really tough environments to
go play in and one home games against the team
that didn't lose on the road last year.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You could make arguments top five loudest venues in the
NFL Minnesota, Denver, yeah, and green Bay is its own
venue experience right right, like these are these are these
are tough spots to go play. Now, you got Joe
Burrow and a great Anti Higgins and Jamar Chase and
good team, they should be able to go win plenty
of games. So I'm not saying that this is something
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they can't get to. But if they do get to
that spot and they're sitting at four and three, off
they go. The Bengals have checked the no slow start box.
In my mind, that's how I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
All right, Well, it's there, it is, It's in my phone.
Put it in there seven am, all right? October later?
Are the Bengals it's just been a Thursday night game.
Maybe you should set that for like I got to
get my daughter to school, okay, So now I might
set another one at eleven about it after I drop
her off and then go home and go back to bed.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Maybe another one for eleven thirty or so. But there
it is. Are the Bengals over five hundred? Yes? And
if they are, they're golden? All right?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That might be my poll question. Are the Bengals going
to be over five hundred in the morning of October seventeen?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
It's it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I when it comes to things like schedules or I
mentioned selection Sunday, NCAA tournament draws, or what time games
are going to be, I typically roll my eye is
when people complain, yes, play who they tell you to play?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Go win.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So when you have me last night going, come on,
come on with the Bengals Ravens thing, fourth straight year
in primetime, You've outlined on multiple occasions too much how
hard it is to win on the road in primetime,
specifically inside the AFC North. When you have me last
night going, really a fourth straight year primetime in Baltimore,
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a third straight Thursday night. First of all, I love
playing Thanksgiving nights. Great, It's one of those games I
think if you're a fan, you want your team to
play in. Right, I'd find it annoying if I was
a Lions fan and had to do it every year,
But like, I think it's cool as hell. That's better
than Black Friday. Right, But a fourth straight year having
to go to Baltimore in primetime in a season where,
as you point out, this is really likely to be
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a two team race.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Come on, man.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, and it's impactful, and I just I'm in with you. Like,
the vast majority of things we talk about regarding the
schedule are stupid, yes, and really irrelevant in the big picture.
Stupid fu yeah, I mean, and just in that they
don't really matter. Right, We're talking deep in the weeds
of the margins in the NFL with a lot of
this stuff. This is not that, right, This is not that.
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This is six years of experience of AFC North teams
on the road in primetime are three and thirteen. They're
five and eleven against the number in those spots. That's
just fact. That's six years of this happening, and the
Bengals will now have their eighth road primetime game in
that span, and the Ravens won, and the Bengals have
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had to do it four straight times going to Baltimore.
And it's not just that, it's that during all of
these four years, everyone has been Sunday at one o'clock
at pay course, aniay, right, And so when that it's
it's fine. No one has a problem with playing whenever
or wherever, as long as you get the return, right,
as long as you occasionally get the return of this
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to where you go, okay, well, when you come to
our house, we'll get you back then.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
And even this thing out.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
And you can't say when you look at the numbers
three and thirteen, five and eleven, you can't look at
that and say it's not worth what two three points
on a spread probably extra because of the nature of
the way that these games go and how tough they
are to win in this division. And these two teams
look at the games that they play against each other,
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Ravens and Bengals, they all look like this one point
two points that matters. And so for it to be
four straight years, it's that it's come on, really, you
gotta go do it again, and three straight years on
a Thursday, and where.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's even harder to go do on a short week.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
It's just I think if there's a gripe that's a
real one, that's a real one that can have an impact,
did have an impact last season and makes just say, Okay,
that's frustrating if you are the Bengals, more than just oh,
we'd like to have more games in primetime because it's
fun to put on those shows.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
No, this is specifically about Bengals v. Ravens, a game
I expect to be in primetime at least one every year.
You mentioned that in the mock schedule, Like those two
teams put on two unbelievable shows last year. Every network
that airs a primetime game should won a piece of
Bengals v. Ravens, two quarterbacks or stars. Like I expect
that in primetime. I just expected to be here occasionally. Yeah,
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and I'm you know, surprising, and who knows. Like the
schedules we learned last year, I mean they changed so
much now the last month of the season, I mean,
maybe the return game does end up in primetime or
it ends up in a four o'clock window, which is
I think similar in feel when you get into last
time of year, late year.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, I mean I go back to that.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
That game against the forty nine ers in twenty twenty
one was one of the coolest atmospheres ever a four
o'clock game.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
It was dark, tense, they stop having Joe Burrow throw
the ball.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
The end wasn't the greatest, but it was one of
the one entertainment games that you'll see. And so but
I look at that and say, okay, maybe it changed,
maybe they do. That game does end up in a
different How does that? How is uh CBS is that
who took that game? How does see yes end up
saying dah put that at one o'clock? Right, that's kind
of stunning to me, Right, how does that note at
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least in there, like one of those two teams is
going to be in it?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah? Probably both? Probably both.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So this is my big hot takes last prediction that
the Bengals Ravens game on Sunday, December fourteenth will not
be played at one o'clock and the Bengals Dolphins game
on December twenty first will not be played at Day twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, I think I'm.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Not counting on Miami being in the middle of anything
in December other than trying to figure out two his future.
I mean, if you were, the thing is and this
is not I mean, I hate to talk about like
injury stuff, but this is what you play in a
game of attrition. Yeah, like quarterbacks, can they make it
to the end of the year, like Miami's had so
much trouble getting healthy to the end of the season,
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getting two at the end of the season, and being
playing well at the end of the season. To me,
I look at that and say, that feels like it's
you know, more than I don't see Miami as a
team who's going to have the feel of being worth
that spot and feels very very flexible.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yes, you well, for sure, I'm with you on that.
I agree very good. Are you ready to talk about
Trey Hendrickson now? I'm always ready to talk about train acton.
I'm you know, what what else are we going to do? Today?
Is the start of seventy two days of tray seventy two?
Oh yeah, I saw I saw you doing the math
on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Exactly how you're Peter Kelsey Conway asked me between now
and September seventeenth, How many days will you spend talking
about Trey? And I did the math for I subtracted
all the weekends. I added one because I assumed the
Sunday morning of the first game. So there's thirty one
weekend days. There's a travel day, which it's not a
vacation day. I go to Kansas City for UC Nebraska.
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And then you know, I estimated twelve off days this
summer because it's load management season. So I arrived at
seventy two, seventy two days of tray starts.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Next, do you do you want to borrow?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Do you want to borrow our sounder from our podcast
our days of our live trays.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Of our last summer?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Very solids, but it's very good, all right, you can
have it if you need it.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
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Speaker 3 (16:19):
We talked about the schedule.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Paul has written about the schedule, he's podcasting about the schedule.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Now we get to talk about Trey Hendrickson, Let's do it.
I love this.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You've you've been covering the Bengals for a long time now,
and when you have that sort of job, you're gonna
cover a lot of things that I guess to outsiders
look bizarre. That looked bizarre on Tuesday morning? Is that
one of the more bizarre just scenes where Trey is
standing there talking to you guys for close to a
half hour about his side of the story as it
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relates to the Bengals, and then mere feet away his
teammates are practicing. That's that visual to me just watching
the footage with Striking. What was it like from your perspective?
Top five surreal moment?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
The entire the entire day really, And I outlined some
of it in my story where I kind of talked
to him in his car on the way in as
he was coming in because he was just, you know,
he was just kind of taking the place by storm. Yeah,
a little bit like he was showed up as everybody
was walking out to practice and I was walking up
to go out there the same and end up talking
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to him on the street for about twenty minutes or
whatever before that, and so like it's it's just really
it's really weird. It was bizarre, and he wanted but
he wanted to talk. He's like, I want my voice
out there. I want I want. I feel he was
provoked by like a shark. I guess yeah, and like
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all that and so, but yeah, when he goes out
there and he's standing out there and it's the world
of cleats and shorts and practice and everybody out there
is doing their thing.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
It's very business like.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And then here's somebody, you know, fresh off of the
eighteenth tee or whatever like was happening there. You know,
it's just and it's not to like like that's a
weird thing for a person to where it just in
that environment. It is so weird to see somebody like
that just standing there like that talking to security and
pr and like occasion he talked to Jerry Montgomery, the
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new defensive line coach, for a little bit. But outside
of that, like it's a place of business. Yeah, Like,
have you ever gone into your workplace, like for some
reason you had to go there and like at night
or something like that, and some people are in there
and maybe I don't know you were at you were
out out of dinner or something. Like that, and you're
just like, I shouldn't be here. Yes, like this is
it's weird for them, it's weird for me. I think
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we all felt like this is just too surreal to
look at. And then once the conversation starts, and I
just I felt a little bit like Trey was just
kind of on the therapy couch a little bit. He
feels like a player who feels like he's losing his mind,
and he's like, I've you know, he said I've tried
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silent that didn't work. Clearly those are his words, not mine,
I mean, and he feels like he is going to
try this. He feels like he's out of things to
do other than to say how he feels to everyone.
And cause this, you know, obvious distraction, I mean, practice
is happening right behind you. And I just think he's
kind of at his at his end of what he's
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supposed to do with this anymore. And because he feels
like it's been years of this going on and he
just wants to.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Get paid what he's worth. I understand that.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I am empathetic to his situation as a as a player,
feeling like you've never gotten your worth and you've just
gone out there and performed, and you've tried many different
methods to get that. But this isn't helping him accomplish
what he wants to accomplish, which is a deal with
the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Maybe it's helping him some world of public opinion, maybe not.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Maybe it's maybe nationally, and I think that maybe.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's part of this. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Maybe he just feels like he just this is, like
he said, it became a thing of value to him
where he's not just gonna sit there and feel like
he's being wronged and be quiet about it, and he
wants to speak up and feel like his side has
been heard.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I don't know. But but that.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Type of thing, you know, you talked about how long
I've been around here is we've seen many times things
of that. ILK do zero You think that has an
impact in the corner.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Offices up there right? A contract squabble in May?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah, I mean the flowers are blooming right, this is
it's it's May. This is what happens around here, the
Kentucky Derby and contract squabble and Mike Brown's not budgeting
like this is You're not this isn't this isn't news.
This isn't something that's gonna shake the tree. And and
I understand him feeling a need to vent his frustration,
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but it's not if getting a deal done is what
he's trying to do with this. Uh, it was gonna
be ineffective, and it was ineffective in that regard. But
if he's trying to win over some grand or public
opinion of look at how they're treating me, everybody. I
feel like I'm being wronged in Cincinnati, then maybe that,
maybe that resonated, maybe that, but I don't know where
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the I don't know where the win is necessarily right.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I mean, I saw somebody desperate. I saw somebody frustrated.
I saw somebody who's maybe exhausted every other possibility. I
saw somebody who clearly has lost all leverage that he
may have had with the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And I understand that man.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Like I've said all along, as a general rule, I
don't think either side is necessarily incorrect as it relates
to their individual stances. But that said, like I watched
that entire thing twice. I was amused by it because
the visual is funny. His teammates are practicing He's dressed
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like somebody who played eighteen with clients in the morning
and then had to stop by the office and then
is going to go play eighteen with his buddies.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And I watched it. I laughed at it.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Then I asked myself, and I asked the question publicly. Okay,
what really was accomplished? If the end goal is to
bring the Bengals closer to your position, that ain't how
to do it. I don't know how to do it,
but I know that's not gonna work. So what what
was achieved? What was accomplished you? I heard you say
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this earlier this week.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
It was an announcement and a reiteration of something you
already should have known a few the Bengals. I'm gonna
be a distraction. This is what it's gonna look like.
I'm not gonna sit and be quere I'm gonna show
up fresh off eighteen, and I am gonna be standing
on the side talking to the media and saying anything
I want to say about anything, and they're gonna eat
it up because it's what we're there to do. I mean,
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if this is a if this is the thing, if
if this is what it is it's a story. And
if he wants to wage this war, I mean, I
don't know how many twenty five minute sessions we're gonna
sit through.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I want one every day every day during training camp, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
But I mean, this is this is it. This is
what it's gonna be. It's gonna be hey, this is
what distractions look like. And and last year, you know,
Jamar was not as open at this point that he
was going to be a distraction. He just wasn't around.
He was in a in a hat, but he was.
He went silent with the media and they did their
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negotiating behind closed doors, and the deal didn't get done.
It made progress, and I think that was part of
the way it was going on. We all knew what
was happening, but it wasn't he was as doing what
he did with the hold in last year. He was
as small of a distraction as that can be. And
it but it but it, you know, it was impactful.
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It cost him a game. At least we were morning
the first game, right, and so it had it had
the desired effect, but it wasn't as public and combative.
Public and combative is not going to do anything necessarily,
But if that's why he wants to approach it, just
to make sure everybody knows at every return like, Hey,
I'm not gonna sit here and take this quietly. I
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want to get my deal done. Okay, here's the thing
I'll ask you. Yeah, if you were at this point
in your career, and I think it's fair to say
it's slim to none that Trey gets traded at this point,
it's just too hard to pull off. This is they
should have done it back in March ninth. I wrote
about that this week. That's all I kept thinking watching
it the whole time was how avoidable this was. Like,
if you didn't want this to for the Bengals and
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you don't, you had an opportunity to go to the
other direction, you shouldn't. But if you're a Trey and
they have some semblance of a two year off on
the table, which is kind of what everybody is suggested
and inferring here, that's substantial enough. Don't you just say, Man,
I know it's not what I want, but I'm not
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gonna get what I want, and I'm gonna take more
risk at playing out this one year or whatever. And
just thinking that and then trying to do it again
and being a year older and hitting free agency then
made rather than just conceding that, like, you know what,
this is a lot of money and taking it. And
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I feel like that's a really hard thing to wrestle with.
When he knows he's worth more, he knows what he's are,
he knows the Miles Garrett, the Maxx Crosby, the Daniel
Hunter like those deals have set a different market than
what he sees in front of him, And I get
being frustrated by that. But if it's about life changing money,
and if it's about getting more of closer to what
you're worth, I think there's a moment where you have
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to say, man, I would love for this to be
four years and a bunch of guarantee and all of that.
It's not, but what's the better option. I think the
Bengals know they have him in that spot and they're
taking advantage of it. And I know there's a lot
of people on the other side that would say, well,
that's where I cry fout. Quit trying to take advantage
of your best players. This is what's been happening here.
(25:51):
This is part of the problem, right, But if your Trey,
you have to face that reality. And I think he's
at some point gonna face that reality where that isn't
for whatever we'll be in front of him at that moment,
and the idea of on May thirteenth. It's easy to
say I'm not going to play or I'm gonna do
this or that on September seventh. That's hard, especially when
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you have all that money sitting in front of you.
And I think everybody on the Bengal side seems to be,
by their actions, betting on the fact that Trey will
come around because he has been unhappy with his contract
every year, and he's come around every year and he's
played great every year, and I think they're willing to
go back down that path again.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's what Katie said, He's gonna have to be happy. Yes,
he's gonna, you know, essentially have to be happy with
what we've offered.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'm paraphrasing or here, but that's that's what she's what
she's said. Yeah, absolutely, what I do that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's easy for me to say yes, yeah, yeah, I'd say, Okay,
it's kind of out of my control.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I can't get what I really want, but I can
get something better than I have Yeah, Can I reconcile
myself with that and not be resentful, not be remorseful,
not be driven nuts by the what ifs and what
could have been? Like, I might have to talk myself
into that place, But at the end of the day,
if I'm bettering the situation that I'm in now, it
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might it might take some self convincing, but I think
I would ultimately say, yeah, Okay, fine, let's go ahead
and get it done. Yeah, But that's that's easy for
me to say. Man, yeah, I think he's wired differently,
but I don't know specifically how he's wired. Is he
gonna spend the entire year miserable and not being miserable
to his teammates and to you guys? But is he gonna?
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Am I gonna be miserable doing this? Because then it's
not worth it? But can I be happy with this
deal that they've put in front of me? It's easy
for me to say yes, But I say.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yes, it's so hard these guys that are you mentioned
wired driven by competitiveness and ego and proving that you're
the best every day? And how are you judged by
being the best in the NFL? Other than how much
money you make, right, and so you got to put
your ego aside, your competitiveness aside, every way that you're
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wired that got you to this spot aside, and say
I understand that this is best, this is the best
thing that's probably it's going to get for me, and
come to terms with that, or say I'll take my
chances and ride it out, but it may cost me
tens of millions of dollars and is that worth it?
That's really tough for someone to wrestle with. And I
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felt like for twenty five minutes we visually watched him
wrestle with it in front of us the other day.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
So I want to continue to continue the conversation about
how he's wired because that frames how at least I
feel about his willingness to miss games. And then there's
something that Trey said on Tuesday that lost me where
he lost me, and I want to spend some time
on that as well. And then there's one other player
(28:54):
we have to talk about before four o'clock if we
have time.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Oh, I wonder who that is. We'll keep people go
and then do you or do you know what's going on?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I got this statement from the Bengals about Hamilton County
and a consulting firm and lawyers.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I'll catch up with that during the break. You really
don't have to, Okay, it's a twenty two away from four.
You had to that bike.
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If I didn't already kind of know about that, that
really would have ruined my day right there.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You just saying that, trying you know what the schedule
comes out.
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I'm able to hit the golf course in the in
the morning, you know, try to go off the grid
for a hot minute.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
That was a little bit of a radio trick.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
It was me acknowledging to the audience that this thing
is out there, but I don't care.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I don't care.
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On Trays of Our Lives. Trey Hendrickson comes off as
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kind of a different cat, and that's not an insult.
He just comes off as a little bit of a
different guy. I've heard people who have spent more time
with Trey Hendrickson than I have, obviously, who have said
he's just he's wired a little bit differently. What we
saw on Tuesday would certainly suggest that compared to your
average player going through a contract negotiation with an NFL team,
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he's wired a little bit different. Again, that's fine, that's
all well and good. But because of that, I take
a little bit more seriously the threat, either if it
comes from him directly or if it's just out there
and expressed by somebody else, that he'll actually miss football
games that count.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Should I I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I mean, I would venture to say no, that he
won't only because when push has come to show before
he is, he's played. I don't know if this is different,
and I don't know how it benefits him to, you know,
not be on the field.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
I don't know that that's gonna change things. Maybe it maybe,
maybe it does.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I just don't. I don't see that. I mean, at
the end of the day, I wouldn't forego the money
that comes with.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Right, and that's also part of it. I mean, it's
also a huge part of all this upset about money.
Why give back more money?
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Give back more money, You're just jeopardizing more of it
if you're going to go that direction. And again that
takes you back to the decision if you're either gonna
go play on this and make this or you're gonna
take whatever the other the offer is that's on the table. Yeah,
but yeah, I don't think predicting this situation is stupid.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I mean, after two days, Tray, none of this stupid.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I mean, after Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I know, anybody that says I know what's gonna happen next,
it is crazy, Like there's no way you can say
that for certain. But I you know, I have a
feeling there will be there will come a point in
time where it'll get where it'll get figured out. That's
that's where my gut lives today.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
But again, it's it's quite unpredictable and you never quite
know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Trey referenced provoked shark attacks, and he was referencing I
guess this text message that he says he got from
Zach Taylor, where Zach told him in so many words,
if you don't come to mandatory mini caamp, you can
be fined. And I think there's two things about that.
Number One, none of us know what the context of
that conversation was. Zach may have just said, hey, just
(33:50):
by the way, man, like, if you don't come up,
they're gonna find you. He could have been cool about it.
He could have been funny about like.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Also, I think a private text conversation been a coach
and a player should not be put out into the
public realm. I have a problem with Trey Hendrickson doing that.
I just think that's wrong. I think it's say what
you one about Zach Taylor. Maybe you don't like Zach
Taylor as a coach. Zach Taylor's not the reason why
Trey Hendrickson's not getting what he wants financially and contractually.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
To do that. I just think it's a real crummy
thing to do.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yeah, and we heard him talk about how, you know,
when we asked about last time money was exchange and
all that, He's like, well, I feel, you know, blessed
to be in these private discussions with them, and I'm
gonna leave those private. Well, okay, well you can't leave
one private. Yeah, and then you're here talking about a
text message that was private in the other one. So
(34:45):
I think, but like a lot of things that kind
of came out of that, there was a lot of
both sides kind of showing up in the conversation, and
so it was hard to totally follow where the line
of offense is drawn and the line of privacy is drawn.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Exchange between a coach and a player should should be
yes the time.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, and and and it's and it's true, like it's
easy to.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Say, you know, on.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
The surface, they what are they doing telling them he's
gonna get fine when they're not and he goes, but
we don't know, Like you can't sit here and say that,
oh it came off that way, or it wasn't part
of day's worth of conversation like you said, or throwaway
comment or or put in put put into whatever frame
that it needed to be put into. Nobody's gonna gonna
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know that. And they're not gonna come out there and say,
you know, they're they're The Bengals have played sort of
the the quiet side of this. I mean, they haven't
said anything other than what Katie said and what Duke
said at the combine, which have all acknowledged they're trying
to give Tray more money. It's a matter of how much,
and that's where they have a difference of opinion. And
Trey said as much. They may think that they've offered
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they've offered me enough money, but I don't think they've
offered me enough money. And I get that, but like
when you when you then take it to this level
when it's just a matter of a discrepancy over how
much money you should be getting, when they're they are
offering you some more. Yeah, I mean, I understand frustration
and feeling. I bet it feels personal on both.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Sides right now.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Fine, I get it feeling personal. I understand, like that
totally makes sense. Yeah, I just think you're head coach
telling you something that frankly you should know already, but
that we don't know the context of that. I'm gonna
just guess. Wasn't Zach being threatening? It was Look, dude,
I mean, I'm your coach. But here's here's what happens.
They can find you. It's mandatory, mandatory suggests if you
(36:34):
don't show up, you could get fine, like just FYI,
I don't know what you're thinking this summer, but here's
what they could do to you.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
However that unfolded. I think it's a crummy thing to do.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Man. Yeah, I think coach and player text exchanges, conversations.
I just think that should remain between the individual parties involved.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
And you know, I think it's it becomes And Zach
Taylor has had to kind of become the shield, taking
all the arrows for this stuff for a number of years,
a good job of it, right, Like he tried to
He tried to defuse the Jamar situation, the te situation,
the Trace situation last year and Johan and Williams, like
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all of these are things he's tried to help defuse it.
And a lot of times we've heard when communication is
brought up, it has consistently been about between the front
office and the player, and it's never really been about
a lack of communication between the coaching staff and the player,
because they seem to be the ones that always have
to be out there delivering these messages or these conversations
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and it feels like it's not connecting it and and
so I understand that frustration, but then like going going
off on the person who's the one that is being
sent out when he's not the ones.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Controlling the contract situation.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Either is yeah, No, I mean I would I would
say as well, it's like, okay, what are what is
happening here?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Three more things and we don't have a lot of time.
Zach is scheduled to talk on Tuesday next week, so
is Joe bro Joe Burrow. What do you thing's gonna
happen when you guys bring up Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Well, to Zach, I can imagine, you know, it'll probably
sound a lot like a lot of stuff he said
about Trey. He's not gonna have new updates. I don't
think it's going to be you know, I think he'll
probably play it politically correct and down the middle, as
he usually does with that type of stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Joe, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I mean, look, look at one point I felt like
you could feel like you knew how the quarterback would
talk about these situations. But that was before the Dallas
game in December. Things have changed. The power has been wielded.
He is, he has every box checked on his checklist
that he put out there except for this one. So
does he still view that as a box that needs
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to be checked or does he view that as that
box is doing stuff that I don't support right.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Now, Trey Hendrickson said, And again I'm paraphrasing, Hey, if
I had four sacks last year that asked for money back,
and he's maybe right about that? How far away was
Gino Stone when Trey said that? And could Gino have
gone like, I'm right here, I'm right here, I'm right here,
you can mention me my name, I'm right here.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
It is true, which, you know, another situation of how
things just go sideways.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
But I mean, you know, I don't know about the
Geno stun't. I know, I didn't like it. I don't
like it still.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I didn't like it then, I don't like it now.
I don't understand the thing beyond the pay cut and
is he worth it or what? What should you pay him?
Is that there's just the two facts don't line up.
You either are not going to bring in competition for
this guy, and you say you're our guy Gino doesn't
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match up with But do it for four point nine?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Right? Do it take less money to do it? Like?
Speaker 4 (39:49):
That's that doesn't make any sense to me. And then
so you get it, why if people start getting into money? Yeah,
I mean, what do we Nobody understands quite what all
is happening.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I got like thirty seconds here. What do we make
of the Schamar Stewart situation.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
It's overrated. In my opinion, he'll get in, he'll practice.
First of all, you should see how much they're not
doing out there right now, just.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Until it looks real, until it matters more.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
It's silly, like this is stuff that's easily avoidable, and
they're screwing it up. I also don't think that whatever
he's not doing on the field right now is going
to impact whether he's going to be a good player
or not at any point in camp or this year.
And so for that fact, it's not a huge deal.
It's silly that that how do you screw this one up?
I mean, how do you botch the layup on the pick?
(40:38):
I don't understand that. It's silly. I also don't think
it necessarily would have a big impact on him as
a player in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
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I'll tell you what, the guy who voices those is
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This is ESPN fifteen thirty. I feel like I haven't
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the afternoon and was on with the Boys down the
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Go to EMORYFCU dot org. Hi Paul, how's it going?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I was on last night with Austin in what he
dubbed his hour five, and I was like, what is
happening over there?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But I was.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Wed six hours of schedule release on this station.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Man, it was it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It was great. I enjoyed it. It's one of my
favorite nights in sports. Yeah, it really is one of
my favorite nights in sports because there are gripes and
I've got some, but it's like Selection Sunday, no one loses.
It's just it's setting the table for excitement. It's a
piece that has to be sort of locked in and
now the season is not exactly here, but there are
no losers. I like schedule release night.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I feel like the Bengals marketing department might feel like
losers today. Yes, would have wouldn't have minded to have
a couple of primetime home games they could build some
stuff around. Yeah, you know, probably would probably probably would
have been something they felt like was pretty cool instead
of another year of, uh, I don't know, watch parties.
And stuff like that. But you're right, you're not. There
(03:15):
really aren't losers, and I'm excited. There's a lot of
lot of fun trips at good times, a lot of
good stuff on the schedule. I know we'll get into
all of it, so I'll allow you to set it
up and take us for every direction you'd like.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, the first thing I was gonna do is I was,
you know, we have to check your work because you
did the mock schedule.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Box schedule, now the mock schedule.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I want to I want to preface this because I
this is not unlike when I do mock drafts. I'm
typically trying to anticipate what the Bengals will do. I
was trying to outline the best case scenario for the
Bengals for the sake of knowing what the worst case
would look like if it is the opposite.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
There were a few best case scenario hits on there.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I mean, you you nailed Minnesota week three, I did,
you nailed the bye week? I did Arizona Arizona. Yep,
you nailed the Baltimore game on the road. Maybe not
necessarily the placement in the day, but you nailed That's
not bad.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, it was okay, not bad. Yeah it was okay.
I'll take it all right.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So there's a few things with the schedule here. Let's
do this part. I know I mentioned this on yours look.
Regardless of who the Bengals were going to play week one,
the story of the summer, beyond Trey Hendrickson and where
he grandstands next is how did they get off to
a fast start? Can they win their first game? Can
they win their first two? So I'm looking for I'm
looking for bad teams. I'm looking for shaky quarterback situations.
(04:34):
I'm looking for new head coaches. And granted we did
a lot of this last year with.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
The New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I don't have a new head coach in Cleveland, obviously,
but I got a weird quarterback situation, not a great team,
and then I get a rookie quarter or a rookie
head coach in Week two. This team needs to start
to and zero because of what happens over the next
five weeks after Week two.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's fair.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And it's interesting that you do get two of the
more winnable games on their schedule. If you were looking
at the most winnable games these you'd be starting pretty
close to these two and to get those early and
put that up against their history and what has happened
in terms of they don't win there. Obviously, the win
against Minnesota in twenty twenty one in overtime, a bit
(05:16):
of a gift in its own right, is the only
win in the first two weeks of Zach Taylor's coaching career,
which is which is amazing. And it's been this problem
that they've had and now with so much focus on
the fast start with I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Everywhere I have gone this offseason where there has been
a Bengals representative in front of a microphone or a recorder,
this has been mentioned.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Fast start, gotta start faster. Ye, We're gonna take it
serious this year. You guys should have asked Trey Hendrickson
about that tray. But beyond this, do you think you
need a fast start? And are you impacting that right?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I'm actually surprised he didn't say that, because it has
been everywhere we've gone from Indianapolis to Palm Beach, to
practice this in the locker room, you name it. And
so if that's the case, and that's this important, and
you have this thing in the first two weeks that
has been a consistent problem there, all of a sudden
is a lot of pressure on these two games to
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be different, to look different. But to me, I have
a I'm willing to go bigger picture off of just
the first two weeks because then there's time to make
up for it and all that. My date is October seventeenth. Okay,
when you wake up the morning of October seventeenth, if
the Cincinnati Bengals are over five hundred, they are golden.
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They are in a fantastic place in the season in
the big picture of who they what they want to do.
This year's seven games, that is seven games in, that
is get to four and three. By that point, you've
had these five games straight against teams from the playoffs
last year. You had that first two where they've had
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the struggles with their winnable spots. If you're sitting there
at four and three, and now you get Jets at home,
Bears at home by Pittsburgh, New England.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I'm putting this on my phone.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
By the way, October seventeenth, Yes, October seventeenth.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
My birthday is the next day. Oh wow, which is
irrelevant and I'm older, but but you look at that
moment and say they are in a great spot if
they get to that, because this is brutal. You know,
at at Minnesota, at Denver, Detroit on a short week,
at green Bay Pittsburgh on a short week. I mean
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it's your two home games are both on short weeks.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Plus you have to do some really tough environments to
go play in and one home games against the team
that didn't lose on the road last year.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You could make arguments top five loudest venues in the
NFL Minnesota, Denver, yeah, and green Bay is its own
venue experience right right, like these are these are these
are tough spots to go play. Now, you got Joe
Burrow and a great Anti Higgins and Jamar Chase and
good team, they should be able to go win plenty
of games. So I'm not saying that this is something
(08:04):
they can't get to. But if they do get to
that spot and they're sitting at four and three, off
they go. The Bengals have checked the no slow start box.
In my mind, that's how I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
All right, Well, it's there, it is, It's in my phone.
Put it in there seven am, all right? October later?
Are the Bengals it's just been a Thursday night game.
Maybe you should set that for like I got to
get my daughter to school, okay, So now I might
set another one at eleven about it after I drop
her off and then go home and go back to bed.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Maybe another one for eleven thirty or so. But there
it is. Are the Bengals over five hundred? Yes? And
if they are, they're golden? All right?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That might be my poll question. Are the Bengals going
to be over five hundred in the morning of October seventeen?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
It's it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I when it comes to things like schedules or I
mentioned selection Sunday, NCAA tournament draws, or what time games
are going to be, I typically roll my eye is
when people complain, yes, play who they tell you to play?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Go win.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So when you have me last night going, come on,
come on with the Bengals Ravens thing, fourth straight year
in primetime, You've outlined on multiple occasions too much how
hard it is to win on the road in primetime,
specifically inside the AFC North. When you have me last
night going, really a fourth straight year primetime in Baltimore,
(09:27):
a third straight Thursday night. First of all, I love
playing Thanksgiving nights. Great, It's one of those games I
think if you're a fan, you want your team to
play in. Right, I'd find it annoying if I was
a Lions fan and had to do it every year,
But like, I think it's cool as hell. That's better
than Black Friday. Right, But a fourth straight year having
to go to Baltimore in primetime in a season where,
as you point out, this is really likely to be
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a two team race.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Come on, man.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, and it's impactful, and I just I'm in with you. Like,
the vast majority of things we talk about regarding the
schedule are stupid, yes, and really irrelevant in the big picture.
Stupid fu yeah, I mean, and just in that they
don't really matter. Right, We're talking deep in the weeds
of the margins in the NFL with a lot of
this stuff. This is not that, right, This is not that.
(10:13):
This is six years of experience of AFC North teams
on the road in primetime are three and thirteen. They're
five and eleven against the number in those spots. That's
just fact. That's six years of this happening, and the
Bengals will now have their eighth road primetime game in
that span, and the Ravens won, and the Bengals have
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had to do it four straight times going to Baltimore.
And it's not just that, it's that during all of
these four years, everyone has been Sunday at one o'clock
at pay course, aniay, right, And so when that it's
it's fine. No one has a problem with playing whenever
or wherever, as long as you get the return, right,
as long as you occasionally get the return of this
(10:55):
to where you go, okay, well, when you come to
our house, we'll get you back then.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
And even this thing out.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
And you can't say when you look at the numbers
three and thirteen, five and eleven, you can't look at
that and say it's not worth what two three points
on a spread probably extra because of the nature of
the way that these games go and how tough they
are to win in this division. And these two teams
look at the games that they play against each other,
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Ravens and Bengals, they all look like this one point
two points that matters. And so for it to be
four straight years, it's that it's come on, really, you
gotta go do it again, and three straight years on
a Thursday, and where.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's even harder to go do on a short week.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
It's just I think if there's a gripe that's a
real one, that's a real one that can have an impact,
did have an impact last season and makes just say, Okay,
that's frustrating if you are the Bengals, more than just oh,
we'd like to have more games in primetime because it's
fun to put on those shows.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
No, this is specifically about Bengals v. Ravens, a game
I expect to be in primetime at least one every year.
You mentioned that in the mock schedule, Like those two
teams put on two unbelievable shows last year. Every network
that airs a primetime game should won a piece of
Bengals v. Ravens, two quarterbacks or stars. Like I expect
that in primetime. I just expected to be here occasionally. Yeah,
(12:17):
and I'm you know, surprising, and who knows. Like the
schedules we learned last year, I mean they changed so
much now the last month of the season, I mean,
maybe the return game does end up in primetime or
it ends up in a four o'clock window, which is
I think similar in feel when you get into last
time of year, late year.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, I mean I go back to that.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
That game against the forty nine ers in twenty twenty
one was one of the coolest atmospheres ever a four
o'clock game.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
It was dark, tense, they stop having Joe Burrow throw
the ball.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
The end wasn't the greatest, but it was one of
the one entertainment games that you'll see. And so but
I look at that and say, okay, maybe it changed,
maybe they do. That game does end up in a
different How does that? How is uh CBS is that
who took that game? How does see yes end up
saying dah put that at one o'clock? Right, that's kind
of stunning to me, Right, how does that note at
(13:05):
least in there, like one of those two teams is
going to be in it?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah? Probably both? Probably both.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So this is my big hot takes last prediction that
the Bengals Ravens game on Sunday, December fourteenth will not
be played at one o'clock and the Bengals Dolphins game
on December twenty first will not be played at Day twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, I think I'm.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Not counting on Miami being in the middle of anything
in December other than trying to figure out two his future.
I mean, if you were, the thing is and this
is not I mean, I hate to talk about like
injury stuff, but this is what you play in a
game of attrition. Yeah, like quarterbacks, can they make it
to the end of the year, like Miami's had so
much trouble getting healthy to the end of the season,
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getting two at the end of the season, and being
playing well at the end of the season. To me,
I look at that and say, that feels like it's
you know, more than I don't see Miami as a
team who's going to have the feel of being worth
that spot and feels very very flexible.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yes, you well, for sure, I'm with you on that.
I agree very good. Are you ready to talk about
Trey Hendrickson now? I'm always ready to talk about train acton.
I'm you know, what what else are we going to do? Today?
Is the start of seventy two days of tray seventy two?
Oh yeah, I saw I saw you doing the math
on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Exactly how you're Peter Kelsey Conway asked me between now
and September seventeenth, How many days will you spend talking
about Trey? And I did the math for I subtracted
all the weekends. I added one because I assumed the
Sunday morning of the first game. So there's thirty one
weekend days. There's a travel day, which it's not a
vacation day. I go to Kansas City for UC Nebraska.
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And then you know, I estimated twelve off days this
summer because it's load management season. So I arrived at
seventy two, seventy two days of tray starts.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Next, do you do you want to borrow?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Do you want to borrow our sounder from our podcast
our days of our live trays.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Of our last summer?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Very solids, but it's very good, all right, you can
have it if you need it.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
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Speaker 3 (16:19):
We talked about the schedule.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Paul has written about the schedule, he's podcasting about the schedule.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Now we get to talk about Trey Hendrickson, Let's do it.
I love this.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You've you've been covering the Bengals for a long time now,
and when you have that sort of job, you're gonna
cover a lot of things that I guess to outsiders
look bizarre. That looked bizarre on Tuesday morning? Is that
one of the more bizarre just scenes where Trey is
standing there talking to you guys for close to a
half hour about his side of the story as it
(16:48):
relates to the Bengals, and then mere feet away his
teammates are practicing. That's that visual to me just watching
the footage with Striking. What was it like from your perspective?
Top five surreal moment?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
The entire the entire day really, And I outlined some
of it in my story where I kind of talked
to him in his car on the way in as
he was coming in because he was just, you know,
he was just kind of taking the place by storm. Yeah,
a little bit like he was showed up as everybody
was walking out to practice and I was walking up
to go out there the same and end up talking
(17:19):
to him on the street for about twenty minutes or
whatever before that, and so like it's it's just really
it's really weird. It was bizarre, and he wanted but
he wanted to talk. He's like, I want my voice
out there. I want I want. I feel he was
provoked by like a shark. I guess yeah, and like
(17:40):
all that and so, but yeah, when he goes out
there and he's standing out there and it's the world
of cleats and shorts and practice and everybody out there
is doing their thing.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
It's very business like.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And then here's somebody, you know, fresh off of the
eighteenth tee or whatever like was happening there. You know,
it's just and it's not to like like that's a
weird thing for a person to where it just in
that environment. It is so weird to see somebody like
that just standing there like that talking to security and
pr and like occasion he talked to Jerry Montgomery, the
(18:13):
new defensive line coach, for a little bit. But outside
of that, like it's a place of business. Yeah, Like,
have you ever gone into your workplace, like for some
reason you had to go there and like at night
or something like that, and some people are in there
and maybe I don't know you were at you were
out out of dinner or something. Like that, and you're
just like, I shouldn't be here. Yes, like this is
it's weird for them, it's weird for me. I think
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we all felt like this is just too surreal to
look at. And then once the conversation starts, and I
just I felt a little bit like Trey was just
kind of on the therapy couch a little bit. He
feels like a player who feels like he's losing his mind,
and he's like, I've you know, he said I've tried
(18:55):
silent that didn't work. Clearly those are his words, not mine,
I mean, and he feels like he is going to
try this. He feels like he's out of things to
do other than to say how he feels to everyone.
And cause this, you know, obvious distraction, I mean, practice
is happening right behind you. And I just think he's
kind of at his at his end of what he's
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supposed to do with this anymore. And because he feels
like it's been years of this going on and he
just wants to.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Get paid what he's worth. I understand that.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I am empathetic to his situation as a as a player,
feeling like you've never gotten your worth and you've just
gone out there and performed, and you've tried many different
methods to get that. But this isn't helping him accomplish
what he wants to accomplish, which is a deal with
the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Maybe it's helping him some world of public opinion, maybe not.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Maybe it's maybe nationally, and I think that maybe.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's part of this. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Maybe he just feels like he just this is, like
he said, it became a thing of value to him
where he's not just gonna sit there and feel like
he's being wronged and be quiet about it, and he
wants to speak up and feel like his side has
been heard.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I don't know. But but that.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Type of thing, you know, you talked about how long
I've been around here is we've seen many times things
of that. ILK do zero You think that has an
impact in the corner.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Offices up there right? A contract squabble in May?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah, I mean the flowers are blooming right, this is
it's it's May. This is what happens around here, the
Kentucky Derby and contract squabble and Mike Brown's not budgeting
like this is You're not this isn't this isn't news.
This isn't something that's gonna shake the tree. And and
I understand him feeling a need to vent his frustration,
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but it's not if getting a deal done is what
he's trying to do with this. Uh, it was gonna
be ineffective, and it was ineffective in that regard. But
if he's trying to win over some grand or public
opinion of look at how they're treating me, everybody. I
feel like I'm being wronged in Cincinnati, then maybe that,
maybe that resonated, maybe that, but I don't know where
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the I don't know where the win is necessarily right.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I mean, I saw somebody desperate. I saw somebody frustrated.
I saw somebody who's maybe exhausted every other possibility. I
saw somebody who clearly has lost all leverage that he
may have had with the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And I understand that man.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Like I've said all along, as a general rule, I
don't think either side is necessarily incorrect as it relates
to their individual stances. But that said, like I watched
that entire thing twice. I was amused by it because
the visual is funny. His teammates are practicing He's dressed
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like somebody who played eighteen with clients in the morning
and then had to stop by the office and then
is going to go play eighteen with his buddies.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And I watched it. I laughed at it.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Then I asked myself, and I asked the question publicly. Okay,
what really was accomplished? If the end goal is to
bring the Bengals closer to your position, that ain't how
to do it. I don't know how to do it,
but I know that's not gonna work. So what what
was achieved? What was accomplished you? I heard you say
(22:21):
this earlier this week.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
It was an announcement and a reiteration of something you
already should have known a few the Bengals. I'm gonna
be a distraction. This is what it's gonna look like.
I'm not gonna sit and be quere I'm gonna show
up fresh off eighteen, and I am gonna be standing
on the side talking to the media and saying anything
I want to say about anything, and they're gonna eat
it up because it's what we're there to do. I mean,
(22:44):
if this is a if this is the thing, if
if this is what it is it's a story. And
if he wants to wage this war, I mean, I
don't know how many twenty five minute sessions we're gonna
sit through.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I want one every day every day during training camp, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
But I mean, this is this is it. This is
what it's gonna be. It's gonna be hey, this is
what distractions look like. And and last year, you know,
Jamar was not as open at this point that he
was going to be a distraction. He just wasn't around.
He was in a in a hat, but he was.
He went silent with the media and they did their
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negotiating behind closed doors, and the deal didn't get done.
It made progress, and I think that was part of
the way it was going on. We all knew what
was happening, but it wasn't he was as doing what
he did with the hold in last year. He was
as small of a distraction as that can be. And
it but it but it, you know, it was impactful.
(23:44):
It cost him a game. At least we were morning
the first game, right, and so it had it had
the desired effect, but it wasn't as public and combative.
Public and combative is not going to do anything necessarily,
But if that's why he wants to approach it, just
to make sure everybody knows at every return like, Hey,
I'm not gonna sit here and take this quietly. I
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want to get my deal done. Okay, here's the thing
I'll ask you. Yeah, if you were at this point
in your career, and I think it's fair to say
it's slim to none that Trey gets traded at this point,
it's just too hard to pull off. This is they
should have done it back in March ninth. I wrote
about that this week. That's all I kept thinking watching
it the whole time was how avoidable this was. Like,
if you didn't want this to for the Bengals and
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you don't, you had an opportunity to go to the
other direction, you shouldn't. But if you're a Trey and
they have some semblance of a two year off on
the table, which is kind of what everybody is suggested
and inferring here, that's substantial enough. Don't you just say, Man,
I know it's not what I want, but I'm not
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gonna get what I want, and I'm gonna take more
risk at playing out this one year or whatever. And
just thinking that and then trying to do it again
and being a year older and hitting free agency then
made rather than just conceding that, like, you know what,
this is a lot of money and taking it. And
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I feel like that's a really hard thing to wrestle with.
When he knows he's worth more, he knows what he's are,
he knows the Miles Garrett, the Maxx Crosby, the Daniel
Hunter like those deals have set a different market than
what he sees in front of him, And I get
being frustrated by that. But if it's about life changing money,
and if it's about getting more of closer to what
you're worth, I think there's a moment where you have
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to say, man, I would love for this to be
four years and a bunch of guarantee and all of that.
It's not, but what's the better option. I think the
Bengals know they have him in that spot and they're
taking advantage of it. And I know there's a lot
of people on the other side that would say, well,
that's where I cry fout. Quit trying to take advantage
of your best players. This is what's been happening here.
(25:51):
This is part of the problem, right, But if your Trey,
you have to face that reality. And I think he's
at some point gonna face that reality where that isn't
for whatever we'll be in front of him at that moment,
and the idea of on May thirteenth. It's easy to
say I'm not going to play or I'm gonna do
this or that on September seventh. That's hard, especially when
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you have all that money sitting in front of you.
And I think everybody on the Bengal side seems to be,
by their actions, betting on the fact that Trey will
come around because he has been unhappy with his contract
every year, and he's come around every year and he's
played great every year, and I think they're willing to
go back down that path again.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's what Katie said, He's gonna have to be happy. Yes,
he's gonna, you know, essentially have to be happy with
what we've offered.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'm paraphrasing or here, but that's that's what she's what
she's said. Yeah, absolutely, what I do that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's easy for me to say yes, yeah, yeah, I'd say, Okay,
it's kind of out of my control.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I can't get what I really want, but I can
get something better than I have Yeah, Can I reconcile
myself with that and not be resentful, not be remorseful,
not be driven nuts by the what ifs and what
could have been? Like, I might have to talk myself
into that place, But at the end of the day,
if I'm bettering the situation that I'm in now, it
(27:10):
might it might take some self convincing, but I think
I would ultimately say, yeah, Okay, fine, let's go ahead
and get it done. Yeah, But that's that's easy for
me to say. Man, yeah, I think he's wired differently,
but I don't know specifically how he's wired. Is he
gonna spend the entire year miserable and not being miserable
to his teammates and to you guys? But is he gonna?
(27:31):
Am I gonna be miserable doing this? Because then it's
not worth it? But can I be happy with this
deal that they've put in front of me? It's easy
for me to say yes, But I say.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yes, it's so hard these guys that are you mentioned
wired driven by competitiveness and ego and proving that you're
the best every day? And how are you judged by
being the best in the NFL? Other than how much
money you make, right, and so you got to put
your ego aside, your competitiveness aside, every way that you're
(28:05):
wired that got you to this spot aside, and say
I understand that this is best, this is the best
thing that's probably it's going to get for me, and
come to terms with that, or say I'll take my
chances and ride it out, but it may cost me
tens of millions of dollars and is that worth it?
That's really tough for someone to wrestle with. And I
(28:26):
felt like for twenty five minutes we visually watched him
wrestle with it in front of us the other day.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
So I want to continue to continue the conversation about
how he's wired because that frames how at least I
feel about his willingness to miss games. And then there's
something that Trey said on Tuesday that lost me where
he lost me, and I want to spend some time
on that as well. And then there's one other player
(28:54):
we have to talk about before four o'clock if we
have time.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Oh, I wonder who that is. We'll keep people go
and then do you or do you know what's going on?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I got this statement from the Bengals about Hamilton County
and a consulting firm and lawyers.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I'll catch up with that during the break. You really
don't have to, Okay, it's a twenty two away from four.
You had to that bike.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
If I didn't already kind of know about that, that
really would have ruined my day right there.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You just saying that, trying you know what the schedule
comes out.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I'm able to hit the golf course in the in
the morning, you know, try to go off the grid
for a hot minute.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
That was a little bit of a radio trick.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
It was me acknowledging to the audience that this thing
is out there, but I don't care.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
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On Trays of Our Lives. Trey Hendrickson comes off as
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kind of a different cat, and that's not an insult.
He just comes off as a little bit of a
different guy. I've heard people who have spent more time
with Trey Hendrickson than I have, obviously, who have said
he's just he's wired a little bit differently. What we
saw on Tuesday would certainly suggest that compared to your
average player going through a contract negotiation with an NFL team,
(31:32):
he's wired a little bit different. Again, that's fine, that's
all well and good. But because of that, I take
a little bit more seriously the threat, either if it
comes from him directly or if it's just out there
and expressed by somebody else, that he'll actually miss football
games that count.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Should I I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I mean, I would venture to say no, that he
won't only because when push has come to show before
he is, he's played. I don't know if this is different,
and I don't know how it benefits him to, you know,
not be on the field.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
I don't know that that's gonna change things. Maybe it maybe,
maybe it does.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I just don't. I don't see that. I mean, at
the end of the day, I wouldn't forego the money
that comes with.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Right, and that's also part of it. I mean, it's
also a huge part of all this upset about money.
Why give back more money?
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Give back more money, You're just jeopardizing more of it
if you're going to go that direction. And again that
takes you back to the decision if you're either gonna
go play on this and make this or you're gonna
take whatever the other the offer is that's on the table. Yeah,
but yeah, I don't think predicting this situation is stupid.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I mean, after two days, Tray, none of this stupid.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I mean, after Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I know, anybody that says I know what's gonna happen next,
it is crazy, Like there's no way you can say
that for certain. But I you know, I have a
feeling there will be there will come a point in
time where it'll get where it'll get figured out. That's
that's where my gut lives today.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
But again, it's it's quite unpredictable and you never quite
know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Trey referenced provoked shark attacks, and he was referencing I
guess this text message that he says he got from
Zach Taylor, where Zach told him in so many words,
if you don't come to mandatory mini caamp, you can
be fined. And I think there's two things about that.
Number One, none of us know what the context of
that conversation was. Zach may have just said, hey, just
(33:50):
by the way, man, like, if you don't come up,
they're gonna find you. He could have been cool about it.
He could have been funny about like.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Also, I think a private text conversation been a coach
and a player should not be put out into the
public realm. I have a problem with Trey Hendrickson doing that.
I just think that's wrong. I think it's say what
you one about Zach Taylor. Maybe you don't like Zach
Taylor as a coach. Zach Taylor's not the reason why
Trey Hendrickson's not getting what he wants financially and contractually.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
To do that. I just think it's a real crummy
thing to do.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yeah, and we heard him talk about how, you know,
when we asked about last time money was exchange and
all that, He's like, well, I feel, you know, blessed
to be in these private discussions with them, and I'm
gonna leave those private. Well, okay, well you can't leave
one private. Yeah, and then you're here talking about a
text message that was private in the other one. So
(34:45):
I think, but like a lot of things that kind
of came out of that, there was a lot of
both sides kind of showing up in the conversation, and
so it was hard to totally follow where the line
of offense is drawn and the line of privacy is drawn.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Exchange between a coach and a player should should be
yes the time.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, and and and it's and it's true, like it's
easy to.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Say, you know, on.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
The surface, they what are they doing telling them he's
gonna get fine when they're not and he goes, but
we don't know, Like you can't sit here and say that,
oh it came off that way, or it wasn't part
of day's worth of conversation like you said, or throwaway
comment or or put in put put into whatever frame
that it needed to be put into. Nobody's gonna gonna
(35:31):
know that. And they're not gonna come out there and say,
you know, they're they're The Bengals have played sort of
the the quiet side of this. I mean, they haven't
said anything other than what Katie said and what Duke
said at the combine, which have all acknowledged they're trying
to give Tray more money. It's a matter of how much,
and that's where they have a difference of opinion. And
Trey said as much. They may think that they've offered
(35:52):
they've offered me enough money, but I don't think they've
offered me enough money. And I get that, but like
when you when you then take it to this level
when it's just a matter of a discrepancy over how
much money you should be getting, when they're they are
offering you some more. Yeah, I mean, I understand frustration
and feeling. I bet it feels personal on both.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Sides right now.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Fine, I get it feeling personal. I understand, like that
totally makes sense. Yeah, I just think you're head coach
telling you something that frankly you should know already, but
that we don't know the context of that. I'm gonna
just guess. Wasn't Zach being threatening? It was Look, dude,
I mean, I'm your coach. But here's here's what happens.
They can find you. It's mandatory, mandatory suggests if you
(36:34):
don't show up, you could get fine, like just FYI,
I don't know what you're thinking this summer, but here's
what they could do to you.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
However that unfolded. I think it's a crummy thing to do.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Man. Yeah, I think coach and player text exchanges, conversations.
I just think that should remain between the individual parties involved.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
And you know, I think it's it becomes And Zach
Taylor has had to kind of become the shield, taking
all the arrows for this stuff for a number of years,
a good job of it, right, Like he tried to
He tried to defuse the Jamar situation, the te situation,
the Trace situation last year and Johan and Williams, like
(37:14):
all of these are things he's tried to help defuse it.
And a lot of times we've heard when communication is
brought up, it has consistently been about between the front
office and the player, and it's never really been about
a lack of communication between the coaching staff and the player,
because they seem to be the ones that always have
to be out there delivering these messages or these conversations
(37:36):
and it feels like it's not connecting it and and
so I understand that frustration, but then like going going
off on the person who's the one that is being
sent out when he's not the ones.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Controlling the contract situation.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Either is yeah, No, I mean I would I would
say as well, it's like, okay, what are what is
happening here?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Three more things and we don't have a lot of time.
Zach is scheduled to talk on Tuesday next week, so
is Joe bro Joe Burrow. What do you thing's gonna
happen when you guys bring up Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Well, to Zach, I can imagine, you know, it'll probably
sound a lot like a lot of stuff he said
about Trey. He's not gonna have new updates. I don't
think it's going to be you know, I think he'll
probably play it politically correct and down the middle, as
he usually does with that type of stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Joe, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I mean, look, look at one point I felt like
you could feel like you knew how the quarterback would
talk about these situations. But that was before the Dallas
game in December. Things have changed. The power has been wielded.
He is, he has every box checked on his checklist
that he put out there except for this one. So
does he still view that as a box that needs
(38:43):
to be checked or does he view that as that
box is doing stuff that I don't support right.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Now, Trey Hendrickson said, And again I'm paraphrasing, Hey, if
I had four sacks last year that asked for money back,
and he's maybe right about that? How far away was
Gino Stone when Trey said that? And could Gino have
gone like, I'm right here, I'm right here, I'm right here,
you can mention me my name, I'm right here.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
It is true, which, you know, another situation of how
things just go sideways.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
But I mean, you know, I don't know about the
Geno stun't. I know, I didn't like it. I don't
like it still.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I didn't like it then, I don't like it now.
I don't understand the thing beyond the pay cut and
is he worth it or what? What should you pay him?
Is that there's just the two facts don't line up.
You either are not going to bring in competition for
this guy, and you say you're our guy Gino doesn't
(39:42):
match up with But do it for four point nine?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Right? Do it take less money to do it? Like?
Speaker 4 (39:49):
That's that doesn't make any sense to me. And then
so you get it, why if people start getting into money? Yeah,
I mean, what do we Nobody understands quite what all
is happening.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I got like thirty seconds here. What do we make
of the Schamar Stewart situation.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
It's overrated. In my opinion, he'll get in, he'll practice.
First of all, you should see how much they're not
doing out there right now, just.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Until it looks real, until it matters more.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
It's silly, like this is stuff that's easily avoidable, and
they're screwing it up. I also don't think that whatever
he's not doing on the field right now is going
to impact whether he's going to be a good player
or not at any point in camp or this year.
And so for that fact, it's not a huge deal.
It's silly that that how do you screw this one up?
I mean, how do you botch the layup on the pick?
(40:38):
I don't understand that. It's silly. I also don't think
it necessarily would have a big impact on him as
a player in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
We covered a lot of ground, thank you, as always,
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