May 6, 2025 • 44 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss how the Bengals' draftees are a fit for Al Golden, his 53-man roster projection, Joe Burrow's absence from a practice because of something called the Met Gala, why the Bengals don't make trades during the draft, and more.
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an awesome Tuesday afternoon.
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That Reds game last night has given us a lot
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Plus, I have a new current sports pet Peeve.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'll tell you what it is, and an extension of
the UC conversation I just had with Tony Pike. But first,
it's Tuesday. Paul Tanner Junior is here from the Athletic
in the Growler podcast. He is just back from what
would you call that today practice face cout Phase two.
We're just gonna call it phase two. It's its own,
it's its own level of nothingness.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Paul covers the Bengals. So phase one was what just
like working out. They can run around the field, no coaches,
no football, just working on the field, being around the
building and then face to no actual ball. Yeah, no ball,
they don't have they were they were just working out.
Phase one is more of a ramp up workout. This
is glorified. We don't even let they don't know us
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watch their so embarrassed by Yeah, it's like essentially this
is more of a there is footballs. They there's route running.
You don't have like the offense and the defense going
against each other or anything. But they're they're out there
and there's a little little bit more of the real
thing happening. So then Phase three is what and when
is that they can compete against each other a little bit,
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you know, not like not like in ways where they
can like really touch each other much, but yeah, it's
a little bit more competitive. You can get out there
and do some of the seven and seven stuff and
things like that, and it's so you can be a
little bit more football.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
In the final phase, that's like that's like mini camp
and stuff like that. And then phase four is actual
training camp. Yeah, there is no phase four. Face, it's
just called training camp. Okay, they leave for a month
to come back. I kind of I lose track. So
I'm glad, Yeah, I'm glad. We guy, we could we
could tick the boxes here.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Anything among the players who were there for Phase two
stand out today.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
BJ Hill had had a boot on his left leg.
He didn't have one last week. Well, now, granted he
was in the locker room, so so, I don't know.
Maybe it's something about the activity. I don't know that
was it, but I don't I don't think it's anything serious.
Joe Burrow wasn't there. That was probably always notable. If
that's the case. Yeah, I guess he's still uh uh
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living living it up in New York. Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I had to look up with the met Gala. Yes,
he was at the met Gala. I didn't know that
the met Gala was last night because I didn't know
the met Gala was a thing.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I had to look on the internet this morning.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
When I saw you folks tweeting from Phase two that
Joe was at the Met Gala last night. I legitimately
had no idea what that was. I read three or
four sentence of sentences of the Wikipedia page for the
metal I still am not sure what it is. Does
it matter what the met Gala is?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
No, it's something very high society hollywoody Broadway. Uh that
that you know? That area very much like the Paris
thing from last year. It's in that same box. Yeah,
you know, you're in that same world of people there,
you know. And I felt like it felt like because
you know, Justin Jefferson was in Paris last year for
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the thing when Joe was there and Joe wore the
backless suit deal, and this time Justin Jefferson also there.
But I felt like it was like, Okay, last time
I had the weird wear the weird thing, you got
to wear the really weird thing this time because Justin
was in this like weird oversized suits deal, Joe was
in much more normal looking type type suit. So I
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felt like that was maybe that that was the other
side of the Paris deal.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So that was in New York last night, so that
precluded him from being at Phase two today.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, I don't I think Burrow. Burrow's career arc will
probably survive.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Uh do you think that this lands at the desk
of the producers of those shows that air on cable
TV during the day where they yell and scream a lot,
that this will be a topic.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
It feels it feels like something they'd love to yell over.
Some b roll of them standing there and ys that potential.
He does have that potential. This is the first time Wait,
you know, you you always on the injury your court.
You have the names and then their their ailment in
parentheses right afterwards. You know. It's the first time I've
ever had parentheses gala, which I'm just it was kind
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of fun to be able to do that one. Gotta
admit I'm not a big gala guy. Yeah, to a
lot of galas. How many galas have you been to?
You think? Zero? Not one? Not one gala? So gala
means like really nice clothes. It's like the next not
just going to an event. Yeah, it's bigger than.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
A stacks, even a lot of stacks. I've been to
a few receptions. Yeah, maybe a banquet. I've never been
to a gala. I feel like a gala always involves
a all that you stand in front of and somebody
takes her picture, and I've never been to one of those.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It's definitely got to have a red carpet, right, Well, yeah,
you're not allowed. Yeah, yes, I would never even know
where to do we have gala's in Cincinnati. I'm sure
there's been one. Okay, Yeah, I feel like I feel
like we might have some probably not as money as
they have in other places, but I think we've gala.
Does Joe go to them here? That's a great question.
(05:27):
Next time we talk to him, will ask him if
he's ever been to a gala before this one. I
want to know what happens when everybody in the ridiculous
clothes walks through the doors. Does anything happen in there?
Or do they all just then? Are there cars on
the other side and they just take off? Because I
don't feel like I ever know of what actually happens
when they go inside of there. It's always just about
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the absurdity of what they're wearing they walk into this
big fashion event.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Because I've never attended a gala, I couldn't tell you.
I've been a banquets, I know what happens. I've been stags. Oh,
I know what happens. I know what happens at a bank.
I've been the receptions. I know what happen up and
it's a gala? Is there like a silent auction?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
DJ does? Does Sean Casey get out and tell stories
a captain's call? Is what happens at a gala? I
don't know. I you ask Joe these things when you
guys get them. Yeah, I like the idea of like
like the one of the world's best auctioneers getting out
there and like really reeling it off and giving away.
So that that sounds like that would make sense to me.
Probably not. I think people just sit around and talk
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about their like I don't know, they're their jets and
there their yachts and things like you just talk about,
like you know, different ways that they get transported around.
Do they have a Phase two practice tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
There is, it's a fate, Yes, there's face be there
for that. Or is the gala require a two day
APPS don't know. We won't. We're not allowed there tomorrow.
We just get once a week in there for an
hour or want one practice.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I just want to show you on the list of
things at the very bottom Burrow Met Gala, so I
can check it off.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It was towards the bottom. But you know, I'm glad
we covered it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Was anybody else noteworthy for their absence Phase two? No
Trey Hendrickson obviously.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, no, Trey Hendills, Yeah, no, Trey Hendrickson, No, Jermaine
Pratt obviously that that's not notable. Those would be expected. No,
I don't. I don't think so. Dax Hill obviously working
out on the side that wasn't surprising. No, I don't.
I don't think there was anything. I mean, unlike previous years.
Was kind of fun to see, Hey, there's Jamar Chase
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and t Higgins doing things during Phase two, right, we
had no always gotten a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Did not get Met Gala invites or turned down the
invite because they wanted to come.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
To phase two. I gotta feel like maybe the new
contract has them dedicated to Phase two. I don't. Maybe
it's workout bonuses, maybe it's just a desire to be here,
and maybe it was an invite thing. I know. Again,
more for us in the thirty for thirty about the
twenty twenty five Met Gala. I'm sure all you all
that information will be in there. Met Gala's once a
year thing, I believe. So you're challenging my knowledge on
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this now too.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I want to make sure later in the show, when
I devote large swaths of airtime to the inevitable Joe
Burrow Met Gala take because now I feel like I
have to beat everybody to the punch tomorrow. All those
shows like on FS one at ESPN where they yell
at each other and talk passionately about things they really
don't care about. I feel like, now tomorrow there might
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be you. Like you'll see the clip and it's got
the big chiron, the big graphic. Burrow skips phase two
for Gala. Is he all in? Is he sending a message?
Does he not want to play for the Bengals like you?
I have to beat ready, And so I'm just trying
to get as much background on this particular item as
I can get.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
No, I know you're in a great place. I think
you've hit all the proper spots, and I think that
I'm sure you'll have a great take tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
All right, Well, let's talk about some actual football star,
can we Yeah, So I read you've written a couple
of things since we last talked. One is about how
the Bengals kind of meshed Al Golden's vision with the
players they took in the draft. And here's what was
striking about this to me. I've been falling following this
team for forty plus years. I can never recall such
a heavy emphasis on the position of linebacker. If you
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know anything about how the Bengals have historically valued that position.
This just reading this much less observing the off season
is noteworthy and to me.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Striking the last time they spent a first or second
round pick on a linebacker was Ray mal Luga two
thousand and nine. Right, so you're going you're going back. Okay,
this is not you're right, this is not who they've been.
But I think they looked at what they had and said,
this what I want to do. I would how Golden
once to do. Cannot do it with this. We must
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fix this. This, this must be a priority to overhaul
this linebacker. But not just you know, the interesting thing
to me in talking to people was not just with
a linebacker, not just don't just throw a linebacker at
the problem. There's a really specific type. They were really
looking more for versatility in their linebackers. Linebackers that can
do things like, you know, play as a stack or
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drop down off the edge if they need to, and
they can blitz them and bring them outside more, but
also be able to do a little bit more of everything,
which is asking a lot more of them. And they
also kind of wanted to run through the linebackers. I
think in the past when the remote defense, I've done
a little bit more of running through the safeties. In
terms of the checks and all the everything that they
needed to be doing. And I'm sure we'll talk about
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you know, Stone later in the show, but like you know,
his ability, their ability to do that is can be
challenging if you don't have the right guys in place there.
And I think they feel like, look, let's put the
right guys in place at linebacker. That's run it through this.
That's where Al Golden's background is and was here and
and there was a very clear opinion that entering this
offseason that this is a big part of where this
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needs to start and that maybe that was undervalued in
previous years and specific with what he wants to do.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Elaborate on something you just said, because I wrote it
down to something I want to ask you you wrote
in your piece and you just referenced that Al Golden
wants the defense to run through linebacker and not safety.
For a total idiot like myself, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I think it means a lot of where the calls
and everything that you're trying to accomplish with the way
it goes is something that the linebackers do, and they
do well. They are the ones that are making sure
everybody's in the right place. They're the ones that are
seeing things. They're the ones that are kind of involved
with the more of the mental load, I guess you
should say, of what they're doing, and they need to
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have a little bit more versatility in what they do
and they can be more weapons than just guys that
are behind the defensive lineman going to tackle, you know. So,
I think I think that's a bigger part of it,
where you know, before a lot of it, especially with
Jesse and Vaughn on the level that they were playing at,
they were the ones that were really doing a lot
of the dictating. It's still the case, I mean, safety safety,
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you still have to be able to do that, but
I do think he sees it a little bit more
through the linebacker's eyes.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Paul Dayner, Junior of the Athletic dot Com Will you
be compelled to write a piece about Joe not come
into phase two because of the met gala?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm not competitors, editors going to make you chime in
on this. I feel like I've already given more time
to it than I ever thought that I would. Me
and you here, so I feel like, six man, what
do I do?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I mean, I mean, let's go on now. I will
not you. I will not be writing about that. I
have other things that I will be writing about, but
I'm not quite there yet.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I do want to ask you about something you have
coming out tomorrow. Yeah, and we have to talk about
your fifty three man roster outlook.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You like that? I do. I do.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And look ahead to next week when we're getting mock schedule. Oh,
you know what, you know, mock schedules coming up. I'm
already excited. I've already started thinking about it. All right, Well,
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Speaker 3 (13:31):
Paul Tanner is here from The Athletic and the Growler
podcast One more thing on the the Al Golden Piece,
talking about finding players who fit what he's looking for.
So and you and I have talked about this. Uh,
they have an addressed defensive tackle beyond TJ.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Slayton.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And the response to that is, well, they're you know,
on passing down is gonna throw some guys inside, which
sounds great, and Shamar Stewart is good at that, fantastic.
This is a question that is maybe not that important,
but I can't help but wonder why was the previous
defensive coordinator so adverse to doing such a thing, taking
edge guys and kicking them inside.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, I don't know how much it fit his what
he felt like his system was. You know, I think
you saw it on third down some I mean you
saw a lot of little bit like the side did
a decent amount of that.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You know, there was I feel like a while ago,
a little bit with Sam there.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Was always talk about that. I was like, why don't
you and the office he'son always be like and say, oh, yeah,
we're gonna try to do that more. And then as
the games came, he felt like he didn't really see
that much or it would be you know, in clear
third down packages. I also think that, you know, the
style of defense when he would go to the like
five down defensive lineman stuff, it's a little different than
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if you go to say more of just a three
down with a couple of linebacker types more on the outside.
So I just think he just didn't feel like it
fit as much and it just was more of a
this is kind of what they have, and you know,
I think they felt like they had had. Oh we're
Sheldon Rankins. He's gonna be a real three techniqueer and
draft Chris Jenkins and he's gonna help be a real
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three technique and and some of that stuff. Maybe it
just by the way, Yeah, long term, Chris Jenkins, you
buy Chris Jenkins on term Chris Jenkins, what about it.
I think he's gonna be good. Okay, I don't know
that he's going to be a pass rusher. No, like
that I get, but I I mean, I think they're
hoping he's going to be good, but I don't. I mean,
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you know, you're hoping. Again, that's hope. Is a year year,
one year, two jump you need. It's got a little
bit different than last year. I think there was some
stuff working against him last year, and I think there's
certainly a chance, but that's a that's a hard that's
a hard one to bank on because I don't look
in there and think I just look in there and
look for a pass rush right now. Yeah, And maybe
that's just because it doesn't feel like they have any
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I just I don't know that you can bank on
it coming from him. Maybe it does a little bit more,
but maybe No, he's not a pass rusher.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
No.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I mean, I think as construction of the defensive line goes,
there's reason to be bullish about both guys they drafted
last year stopping the run, which they've emphasized.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
They certainly need them to be good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
So, but if you knew that about Chris Jenkins, and
I kind of interrupted you there, But like, why would
you be opposed to throwing some of those guys inside?
Was it because they had children? Rankings barely played.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
They barely had children? Rancons? Now, I just think that situationally,
they that wasn't a part of what he wanted to do.
You know, I don't. It's hard to there's just so
there's so much and there's so much revisionist history over
last year, you know, where it's like we just continue
to go back to the same place where it's like, well,
everything ends the same way. Last five weeks, when we
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just simplified everything, everything worked a lot better. And I
think that's kind of what all of last year's problems,
you know, come from, whether schematic or otherwise, is just
that Defense was not ready for what they lou was
trying to have them do.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Gino Stone has apparently taken a pay cut. Yeah, one
point six mil. Talk with you guys today, Yeah, acknowledged
I'm taking a pay cut one point six mil. I
think said all the right things, right, yeah, yeah, Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Can you help me understand.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
This because when I think of a player taking a
pay cut, I think of a situation like Joe Mixon
where it's take a pay cut or else, and it
was either take the pay cut or you're gone, because
we like we have at this position, they literally have
done nothing at safety.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yes, behind him.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Are Dejon Anthony and Tyson Anderson who has played as
many safety snaps in the NFL as I have. So
what's what's the point of asking the guy to take
a pay cut? Because I can't imagine they would have
cut him had he said no. What are they doing?
It's a great question, though, what are they doing? What
are they doing to do? I mean, I think it's
weird to mix something that you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
You do that, but that's a big, way bigger number
five mil, right, I mean you're a way bigger number
than what you're talking about. But you know, Stone one
point six I mean you're less than one percent of
yourself cap and you know, and and Geno Stone mentioned
sort of like, well, you know, if you're you're moving around.
They haven't said specifically if you're moving around trying to
pay tray. If there was just one point six million,
that was a difference between what you could do with
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Trey and what you can't. What's going on here? There
are a million other ways that you can make one
point six million in cash or cap happen for yourself,
and they have plenty of cap right now. Uh So,
if that's it, I don't. The thing is, there's two
sides to this one. You're just we've talked often about
Genostone and how he did not play very well last year,
no question, Yeah that's so. But if you felt like
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you felt so low of Genostone that you're like, let's
make him take a pay cut, okay, And honestly, one
point six just feels personal at that point. If you
you say let's make him take a pay cut, you
say that, well, okay, if you feel that low about him,
then why didn't you replace him? Why didn't you draft
somebody to play safety over him? Why didn't you sign somebody?
If you've but you say no, and okay, I'm here
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to I'm here to believe that part. All right. We
believe in Genostone. We think he sounds like he understands
it better, He played better, as things simplified, Al Golden
has a vision for him all things that he's really
motivated by proving himself again. He said, today, I've got
this seventh round pick mindset back again. All right, I'm
here to believe all of that, and then at the
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end you're gonna degrease him with like, ah, yeah, but
take take one point six million dollars pay cut. We
built yep, and you're our plan. But you know, but
we want you to be our plan for one point
six million dollars less. It just feels it just doesn't
feel like it meshes, man, It just doesn't just doesn't
make that part doesn't make sense to me. Why you
would why you would do that?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Well, what I don't understand is if Gino Stone would
have said, actually, no, I'm not taking a pay cut,
then what Yeah, this was my literal question.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Like I'm just sort of listening to Geno talk and
he's talking, and I'm just like thinking, I don't I
don't mean to be captain obvious here, but why didn't
you just tell him no? And he kind of looked at.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Me and smile, Oh, the kind of things like well, yeah,
we we we we thought about that, yeah, and but
we decided to do it's best for you.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
He's like, you get rid of your agent and let
me step into your world, buddy.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
They don't have another answer. If you say no to
this pay cut. They're literally not going to do anything.
So you know what I'm gonna say is I'm good.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, I'm cool. I'd like to make the money that that.
You know, we we have all this talk of honoring
contracts right here, I really feel like this could be.
That's the other thing, like when when fans and people
hear about talks of honoring contracts, remember that, Yeah, remember
when the players do the things that the players do. Yes,
this is what happens. Yes, is that when the team
doesn't think you want to, they just come back and now.
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And he could he could have said no, sure, and
they could have done whatever. But I'm just saying, you
remember that it has to go both ways. And it
just feels it just did this one didn't. Doesn't sit right.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I don't understand the point. I can understand, Hey, we
need some coin to go get this done. They have
money to get stuff done this offseason, and as you said,
I cannot imagine that that money they're giving back to
the Bengals, that Genostone is giving back to the Bengals
is going to be what suddenly turns Trey Hendrickson into
a long term Bengal that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, it was, It's what it was. He was at
thirty point Ford. It had to be thirty two. So
we're going to steal it from Geno's Stone. There's just
no I mean, that's just such a small amount for
it to really be about that.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It just feels to me like they did this because
they could, and maybe they realized Geno's Stone is unpopular
among their fan base, and so hey, we could I
don't know, punish Geno Stone for having a bad.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Year, which he had a bad year like that year.
I've renamed my dog after him, But then cut him
this is weak and get somebody else or have have
a plan B.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And you could hold over his head and go, dude,
if you say no to this, here's the guy we're
putting it safety because sure as hell, ain't Tyson as.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Maybe and maybe it was. Maybe they sat there and
they're like, we have Justin Simmons online too. You take
one point six pay cut or the phone call goes
to Justin Simmons. I don't know there are there are
I wrote this in the fifty three Man. There are
having safeties out there right now. They played more than
fifty percent of the snaps last year, they are still
on side. So there are players that had to be it. Then,
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I mean it's the only and and it's just come on, man,
but do you want them to be your guy or not?
Like I just to me, it's it's not it's not
it's not even necessarily about the money. It's about what
what are you trying to do here? Are you trying
to say Geno's your guy and you're willing to go
with it? And if and if you felt that low
of him, why did you not do something to actually
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replace him in the draft or in free agency or
bring in competition at the very least. That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
It's those don't mesh with each other. I see better
than I hear. I hear we have confidence in Geno Stone.
And if I'm Geno Stone, I go, yeah, look at
my paycheck. I'm about one hundred grand light or per game. Like,
that's not showing confidence in me. If your boss says
we have all the confidence in the world and you're
you're the guy, and then says, but we needed you
to take a pretty big pay cut and not gonna
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do anything else with the money, Hey man, that's not
a ton of confidence in you.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I appreciate, you know. Kelsey Conway inquirer specifically, like, is
it hard not to take it personal when your employer
does this, Well, it's this point. He's like, yeah, I mean,
obviously it is no doubt. He's like, but I will
credit Gino. He stood up and said all the right
right things and admitted I didn't play great last year
and there's a lot of weight, so I understand. It's
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a business. And he's like, I've been you know, I've
moved teams, I've been played for different coordinators. I've I've
had to I've been in rooms with first round draft
picks and I've had to play certain roles. I get it,
and I've survived by having this seventh round mentality. And
I'm here to do that and do what's best for
the team, and that's all I care about. And I
just want to put my best games on tape and
(23:42):
I and I appreciate taking that attitude because this is
an easy opportunity to air the grievances. And I'm gonna
guess if it were me, if it were you, I
don't know how good I'd be in front of my
locker today of saying the right things, So I credit
I credit Geno for that. He does seem to have
the right attitude about him, but the plan doesn't mesh.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
So he has one more year past twenty twenty five
in his current contract.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Correct, he's got this year.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
If if he goes and he has an all pro
caliber season, are they gonna give him the money back?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I took it away from him because he's stunk last year. Yeah,
give more guarantee, a slight guarantee involved to cover himself.
But I mean it's it's like, no, there's there's no I.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Feel bad for Genostone, this guy that I have mocked
and made fun of and renamed my dog after, because
he takes she takes terrible angles on the toys I throw, Yeah,
playing fetch now, Like I'm I'm all in on genos Stone, Dude,
go do it because I think this is crummy.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I agree, I think he I think there's it
feels that way, And I should have asked him today
if he heard about your your dog renaming and if
that was part of the process of frustration. Well, if
the answer is yes, that doesn't mean he has to
take a one point six million dollar pay cut right,
there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I it's hey, we have all the confidence in you,
mad We think you're the ideal person for this position.
Just really quick, We're gonna need to cut your pay
by what's the percentage?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
What was he supposed to make of the total cap? Yeah? No,
for for GINO. What was gin gonna make this year
that they subtracted from? Oh yeah, so you're oh geez,
what was it? Uh seven? It was two year fourteen?
So yeah, So I mean, I don't know what the
percentage of I'm not doing math in my head, right,
so that's like twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, We're hey, we have all the confidence in the
world in you, except we're going to reduce your salary
by twenty percent.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, whatever, pal, whatever sounds great, And I'm gonna go
give my all. Who do you got behind me? Uh?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
One? Really? Yeah, yep, let me take that pay cut. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I hope Genostone has a great year. It's twenty seven
away from four o'clock. I want to talk about the
lack of trades, which you're going.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
To write about.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
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Joe Burrow not there because he was at the Oscars
or something last night.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I don't know what the met gala is.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
By this time next year, I will know what the
Met galleon is, Okay, just in case he goes and
has to miss another practice.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I think there may be a number of different gala
that you need to learn about now that Joe Burrow
is in full Hollywood mode right now.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I need Met gala for dummies. Yeah, so you explain
to me exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
How hard. Can it be all right?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Well, when we come back, Oh, we've got some other
stuff here. I'll read for you the Wikipedia entry for
the Gala of Gala Gala Gala. I'll read you the
Wikipedia entry and you can tell me what it means.
You're a literary guy. You keep putting this on me
like literary guy, so I must know all about this. Okay,
(28:30):
I'll do my best. Paul Danner Junior with us for
the rest of the hour. You have a piece coming
out tomorrow about trades and from a Bengals perspective, a
recent lacked era.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, mostly in the draft. I mean it's kind of
looking at what we just went through, uh, in the draft.
And you know, this is two straight years now that
you have had the Bengals surprisingly stick and pick sixteen
consecutive picks the last two years where they have done
they've not moved. They've just sat there and taking the
(29:00):
players that came to them. Last year it was, oh,
you'd think probably they would consolidate all those late picks
and maybe come up and find some targets. They didn't.
They just took a bunch. This year. It was open before.
We want more picks. We desire to have more picks.
They had opportunities to do so, specifically in the second
the third round, they passed on those to take the
Meetri Site and Dalan Fairchild and sat still. Meanwhile, as
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anyone who watched the draft knows, everyone is trade. Nick
Cassario in four years has had thirty five selections, thirty
one of which were traded. Yeah, this is what you know.
Howie Roseman is making a you know, a persona off
of this, off of all the movies, and this is
(29:45):
in there, and I love the league is taken over
now by all of these young or at very at
least if they're not young, just aggressive GM styles that
are happening. And the Bengals are, and I'm not saying
right or wrong they are they I have been conservative. Now,
it's not like they've never traded before in the past
they have, but in the last three years there have
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been one hundred and seven trades on draft days. Just
on draft days last three years, one hundred and seven,
So that's two hundred and fourteen teams the Bengals have
been part of. One two hundred and fourteenth that was
Jordan Battle, moving back three spots for Jordan Battle a
couple of years ago. That's it. And so the thing
(30:28):
is is that overrated? Is this GM saying look at
me and all the wizardry, when at the end of
the day you just have a player and you're judged
by your player. Or is the conservative nature of the
Bengals specifically these last two to three years what we
talk about when we talk about winning or losing in
(30:49):
the margins in the NFL adding a pick, Well, when
you come out of this and what's the thing that
we we've all come out of the saying, where's the
Have you seen the defensive tackle around here?
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Anywhere?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Where's the defensive tackle? Right? Sure could have used one
more pick? Well, they had opportunities. We had Mike Potts
on our show last week and we talked kind of
specifically about this, and he's talking about some other places too. Yeah,
they had offers. They were all putting them together. They
are on the table and they you know, they had
conviction on Demetrious Night, they had conviction on Fairchild and
didn't think the move back was worth the risk of adding.
(31:22):
But they could have added and chose not to do so.
And when it's a pick where people say, ah, maybe
you could have gotten them later, and maybe they couldn't
have they that wasn't worth the risk to them, and
obviously it wasn't, or they would have made the choice
to make the move. But when you have these opportunities
and then you look at the big picture of an
entire league doing this all over the place, it's I
(31:46):
think that's one where you got to say, is this
conservative style? Is it hurting them? Or is this just
people making too big of a deal out of all
the trading and the moves that that happened. Can the
answer both? Yeah, I think too big of a deal
is made at it, but it's also it's probably never
good to be totally on any side of the spectrum. Yeah,
(32:08):
I probably want to be more right. So I certainly.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Believe there are probably general managers who are making trades
just to make trades, Yeah, just to hey, let's show
how creative I am the wheeler dealer, uh and and
reap the immedia he r benefit from it. I certainly
do think watching this year's draft, and you wrote about
Al Golden and Demetrious Knight and mentioned like they could
(32:34):
have traded but that's who they wanted. There's a part
of me that I really can appreciate the oversimplification of like,
hey man, we want this guy. Let's just make sure
we get this guy. And you know what, maybe we
could still get this guy, but we really want this guy,
and so screw it, we're just taking him. I can
kind of appreciate that. At the same time, I guess
for me with the Bengals, I just I look at
recent drafts, and I look at the numbers with this
(32:55):
year's draft in particular, and I wish they would be
would have been a little bit more bold, bit more aggressive,
and I think I think you could do that without
gratuitously making trades just so Adam Schefter could tweet about
you on Draft.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Night, right, and and they have. It's just like when
you're in a situation like they have been the last
couple of years, where it feels like there's opportunity to
make more out of these drafts for yourself with movement
and so much of the league is doing so you
can lose. But if it just looked a little bit
more like some of the drafts where they just you know,
here comes the Bengals second round move back to AD
(33:29):
picks or whatever, and it's like it just feels like
the reluctance to do that and then also the same way.
And I know they finally made a trade at the
deadline this past year, but that's obviously been they've been
reluctant to do over the course of time. That plays
into this too, the reluctance to make trades there where
you don't see as much of that, and that usually
can end up in whether it's draft capital or a
(33:50):
player or something like that, just that you know, as
the league becomes more trade heavy, and this has been
a trade a trend that's been going on for a
decade now, as it becomes more and more that way,
it sticks out even larger when you have a couple
of drafts and things like like this where there's just
where it's just the one team we had. I thought
(34:10):
of it. I wanted to look further into it when
Mike Sando did a sort of anonymous execs story about
their thoughts on everybody's draft, and in it we had
our little graphics of and it was the graphic of
everybody's draft, and but next to it, in addition that
they are are fine graphic people, to this year, where
they had if the pick was traded and who with
and all of them are just this pick had moved,
(34:33):
like almost all of them, and you just see it
on the on down the line. Fifty three percent of
this year's picks were not the original pick of that team,
three percent of the entire draft when you had that,
And then there's the Bengals with nothing in that left
side column. Only Tampa Bay could say the same thing,
(34:53):
and that they just sat there and had their own
picks most of them have. The entire thing is just
move picks and trying to find a way to get
an angle here there. Again, I think you end up
in this same place where it's like, probably needs to
be a little bit more aggressive. It doesn't need to
be full Casario, right, but it's notable the last two
(35:15):
to three years how different they've been operating than a
majority of the league.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
I just would have liked to have had this year
as many picks as they had needs.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
And they were one away in my opinion, right, I
thought they were one away. That was I wanted.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I may have said this to you before the draft,
I know I said it in this in this studio.
I want as many picks as they have needs.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
That's it. And to me.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Getting that doesn't require some sort of huge, bold, you know,
uber aggressive strategy. It's just some deafness and identifying players
that are good plan bs for the players who are
plan A if you don't get them right. Yeah, that's
all I wish they would have done. And so the
way I look at the class is I'm all in
(36:02):
on most.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Of these guys. Yeah, Like, it's not about the players.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It's not about the players, like the Shamar Stewart thing
I said on your podcast, Like I think the pressures
can translate, and I like drafting a twenty five year
old with two kids a linebacker, and Dylan Fairschild looks
the part God knows. After talking to his offensive line
coach at Georgia, I was all ready to go.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And I'm big on Taje.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Brooks and Barrett Carter looks like a guy who's kind
of the antithesis of what they've had at that position
in terms of just athleticism.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Like it's not about the players. I just wish they
would have.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Had one more Yeah, And I don't think that's an
unreasonable take. And you get yelled at for being too
pessimistic if you're like, yeah, the players are fine, but
like I like these six, I would have liked to
have had a seventh because they had one more, at
least one more need and maybe one more beyond that.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, and maybe you know, we're ripping them if they
have to move back ten or fifteen spots in round
two and Night goes away and they feel like now
they don't solve their linebacker problem, or they have to
overdraft Barrett Carter now and and and it falls the
wrong way for them, and then we'll rip them because
that fourth round pick ends up being you know, like
(37:10):
Tyler Shelvin or Khalid Kareem or or Renelle ren or
any number. But you know, sometimes that's a deep cut.
I'm just I'm just I just went through him today.
I was I had to do this line today in
my story going back. Hey, there's more, there's more Renel Wrens.
Then there's Carl Lawson's and Geno Atkins. Okay, they're easier
to find when you go down the list, But I'm
(37:30):
just saying you you you doesn't mean you stop swinging,
and you obviously have to keep adding. And they know
that that's a philosophy that they've lived by. And so
I just feel like it ends up where I'm with you.
It felt like a willing to play a little less
conservative could have helped them tick that one last box here.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
All right, last week, you were on the show with
me and we kind of made fun of Jermaine Burton
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It's never happened before he was there.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
He was must have gotten a lead start, so he
was there doing his He was, you know what, good
he had in the right direction. So I want you
to write the piece this summer. Okay, what if Jermaine
Burton ends up getting it.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm not writing that this summer because he's got to
get through more than a summer perforeming a right down.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Okay, what if he makes the team? Can he make
the team? And then you write.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Because there's a lot of ways he makes the team. Okay, Well,
then go ahead and write it, and then June, I'm
gonna need to see it. I think he's got to
go execute beyond fake game in a preseason game that's
not in the fourth quarter against dudes who are not
going to play in the NFL. If he can go
through and play an entire preseason game without running the
(38:44):
wrong route, Look, you had a picture of him in
your thing. You know, I didn't put that picture in there.
Everything I don't write in the mix for the Bengals
after a tumultuous rookie year. You can thank saving on
that one. He picked that out. So there's a reason
why they took him.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Okay, there's a reason to be skepticism, to be skeptical
about him. It's not has to do with his talent.
It's maturity, it's work ethic, it's having an alarm clock,
it's all these things. Okay, if he can fix all
that stuff, why then can I think about the tantalizing
athletic ability worked into an offense that is already tantalizing.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, there's a reason he's still here. There's a reason
they put up with everything they just put up with
is because, yeah, that's tantalizing. It's also far off, mo.
I know. The slot machines are too right there. It's
it's just it's just right down the road and you
can find them all over the place. I was.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
We did our show from bell Terra Park on Friday.
My show next to a slot machine, and you look around.
It'll be awesome. If Jermaine Burton sits down here just
as me in the middle of May as a glass
half full guy. That's a good place to be excitement
for this. Maybe he'll be the winner of the Moegger Award.
He's eligible. So Yosha vass is one of the consecutive years.
(40:02):
Take third year, and I was actually doing that. I
was looking at your roster breakdown. None of these I
don't even know who Michael Tinsley Mitchell Tinsley is, so
Jamoy Mays also would like to root for him too.
But if I'm handicapping the field, Jermaine Burton, I got
like five.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
To one to be the Muleger Award winner. Yeah, I
like that. I mean I think that. I think that
there's a reason that he's still here, and I just, ah,
it's just too far off for me to be considering that.
There's it's when you have so much distrust and things
went so wrong, like I need, I need to see
(40:39):
a game plan executed. I need months and months of consistency. Okay,
No one's saying that he won't have he can't have flashes.
He had flashes last year. Yeah, but I need I
need to know that I can trust you to show
up the day before week three against the Patriots, or you're.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Gonna throw this in my face like he doesn't show
up for a day of training camp.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I'm not throwing anything in your face. You're asking me
to write a story that I'm not gonna write until
I see something that's a little more substantial. That's all
I'm saying. The first start answering questions. You're asked me questions,
and I'm answering them. I'm telling you my answer to
your question about why I'm not writing a piece or
in one of my what do you call my little articles?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Your little article, there's a big picture theatre in this
entire roster breakdown.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
You know much color ain't got used here at the
radio station. I'm just happy you're still printing.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
The met Gala, formally called the Costume Institute Benefit, is
the annual Hot Cuture fundraising festival. Right there is when
I kind of lost interest, Like when I started looking
at this out this morning.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Okay, what's the Metcala.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
It's an annual hot culture fundraising I don't know what
hot Cuture is. Right there, I kind of lost interest,
but I kept going hell for the benefit of the
Metropolitan Museum of Arts costume Institute in Manhattan, Like we
have Capitals downtown. Is that what that is? It's a
costume store.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
It's very very similar, very similar, Just like like does
pop up Halloween series show? This should be you know,
everybody wants some publicity. I think this is a great
opportunity for Capitals to be like, hey, we're gonna have
our own little Cincinnati met Gala and and invite mister Burrow.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
So you know how like deserted malls come September will
pop up those Halloween stores.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, this is yeah Halloween spirit.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
The MET Gala is often regarded as the world's most
prestigious and glamorous fashion events. Uh it costs seventy five
thousand dollars per seaed Wow, yeah, how about that because
it says here a genre of fundraising gala contribution of
seventy five thousand dollars per seed to enter last.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Year's Met Gala, Why so you should go? I don't know,
this is up your alley afford to get in, and
I'm sure I'm not going to be invited tougher ticket
Met Gala or salstack Salstak's a tough time. I know
it is. I've been Yeah, it's awesome. I was the
I went the year that they had all the former
Bengals of the eighty eight team. It was awesome. Uh
(43:07):
that was the that was the Samwisch tribute. Yeah, yeah,
that was cool. Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Well, I've hosted a bunch of the house sports tags.
I'm likely not going to MC. I assume this thing
has an MC. Maybe the Wikipedia page is quite large.
There's a lot there, all right, so you keep going
through it to be fine. Uh, thank you as always.
This was great, it was I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
I enjoyed it. Got mad at me for suggesting you
write stuff. It was no. I answered your question, you did.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I didn't get mad. You were belaboring the point it was. Buddy,
it's May sixth I know we had a long way
to go. Read Paul Danner Junior at the Athletic dot
com and catch the Growler podcast. Uh. We'll get into
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
That Reds game last night has given us a lot
to discuss and we will.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Plus, I have a new current sports pet Peeve.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'll tell you what it is, and an extension of
the UC conversation I just had with Tony Pike. But first,
it's Tuesday. Paul Tanner Junior is here from the Athletic
in the Growler podcast. He is just back from what
would you call that today practice face cout Phase two.
We're just gonna call it phase two. It's its own,
it's its own level of nothingness.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Paul covers the Bengals. So phase one was what just
like working out. They can run around the field, no coaches,
no football, just working on the field, being around the
building and then face to no actual ball. Yeah, no ball,
they don't have they were they were just working out.
Phase one is more of a ramp up workout. This
is glorified. We don't even let they don't know us
(01:11):
watch their so embarrassed by Yeah, it's like essentially this
is more of a there is footballs. They there's route running.
You don't have like the offense and the defense going
against each other or anything. But they're they're out there
and there's a little little bit more of the real
thing happening. So then Phase three is what and when
is that they can compete against each other a little bit,
(01:33):
you know, not like not like in ways where they
can like really touch each other much, but yeah, it's
a little bit more competitive. You can get out there
and do some of the seven and seven stuff and
things like that, and it's so you can be a
little bit more football.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
In the final phase, that's like that's like mini camp
and stuff like that. And then phase four is actual
training camp. Yeah, there is no phase four. Face, it's
just called training camp. Okay, they leave for a month
to come back. I kind of I lose track. So
I'm glad, Yeah, I'm glad. We guy, we could we
could tick the boxes here.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Anything among the players who were there for Phase two
stand out today.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
BJ Hill had had a boot on his left leg.
He didn't have one last week. Well, now, granted he
was in the locker room, so so, I don't know.
Maybe it's something about the activity. I don't know that
was it, but I don't I don't think it's anything serious.
Joe Burrow wasn't there. That was probably always notable. If
that's the case. Yeah, I guess he's still uh uh
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living living it up in New York. Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I had to look up with the met Gala. Yes,
he was at the met Gala. I didn't know that
the met Gala was last night because I didn't know
the met Gala was a thing.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I had to look on the internet this morning.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
When I saw you folks tweeting from Phase two that
Joe was at the Met Gala last night. I legitimately
had no idea what that was. I read three or
four sentence of sentences of the Wikipedia page for the
metal I still am not sure what it is. Does
it matter what the met Gala is?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
No, it's something very high society hollywoody Broadway. Uh that
that you know? That area very much like the Paris
thing from last year. It's in that same box. Yeah,
you know, you're in that same world of people there,
you know. And I felt like it felt like because
you know, Justin Jefferson was in Paris last year for
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the thing when Joe was there and Joe wore the
backless suit deal, and this time Justin Jefferson also there.
But I felt like it was like, Okay, last time
I had the weird wear the weird thing, you got
to wear the really weird thing this time because Justin
was in this like weird oversized suits deal, Joe was
in much more normal looking type type suit. So I
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felt like that was maybe that that was the other
side of the Paris deal.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So that was in New York last night, so that
precluded him from being at Phase two today.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, I don't I think Burrow. Burrow's career arc will
probably survive.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Uh do you think that this lands at the desk
of the producers of those shows that air on cable
TV during the day where they yell and scream a lot,
that this will be a topic.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
It feels it feels like something they'd love to yell over.
Some b roll of them standing there and ys that potential.
He does have that potential. This is the first time Wait,
you know, you you always on the injury your court.
You have the names and then their their ailment in
parentheses right afterwards. You know. It's the first time I've
ever had parentheses gala, which I'm just it was kind
(04:35):
of fun to be able to do that one. Gotta
admit I'm not a big gala guy. Yeah, to a
lot of galas. How many galas have you been to?
You think? Zero? Not one? Not one gala? So gala
means like really nice clothes. It's like the next not
just going to an event. Yeah, it's bigger than.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
A stacks, even a lot of stacks. I've been to
a few receptions. Yeah, maybe a banquet. I've never been
to a gala. I feel like a gala always involves
a all that you stand in front of and somebody
takes her picture, and I've never been to one of those.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It's definitely got to have a red carpet, right, Well, yeah,
you're not allowed. Yeah, yes, I would never even know
where to do we have gala's in Cincinnati. I'm sure
there's been one. Okay, Yeah, I feel like I feel
like we might have some probably not as money as
they have in other places, but I think we've gala.
Does Joe go to them here? That's a great question.
(05:27):
Next time we talk to him, will ask him if
he's ever been to a gala before this one. I
want to know what happens when everybody in the ridiculous
clothes walks through the doors. Does anything happen in there?
Or do they all just then? Are there cars on
the other side and they just take off? Because I
don't feel like I ever know of what actually happens
when they go inside of there. It's always just about
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the absurdity of what they're wearing they walk into this
big fashion event.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Because I've never attended a gala, I couldn't tell you.
I've been a banquets, I know what happens. I've been stags. Oh,
I know what happens. I know what happens at a bank.
I've been the receptions. I know what happen up and
it's a gala? Is there like a silent auction?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
DJ does? Does Sean Casey get out and tell stories
a captain's call? Is what happens at a gala? I
don't know. I you ask Joe these things when you
guys get them. Yeah, I like the idea of like
like the one of the world's best auctioneers getting out
there and like really reeling it off and giving away.
So that that sounds like that would make sense to me.
Probably not. I think people just sit around and talk
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about their like I don't know, they're their jets and
there their yachts and things like you just talk about,
like you know, different ways that they get transported around.
Do they have a Phase two practice tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
There is, it's a fate, Yes, there's face be there
for that. Or is the gala require a two day
APPS don't know. We won't. We're not allowed there tomorrow.
We just get once a week in there for an
hour or want one practice.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I just want to show you on the list of
things at the very bottom Burrow Met Gala, so I
can check it off.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It was towards the bottom. But you know, I'm glad
we covered it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Was anybody else noteworthy for their absence Phase two? No
Trey Hendrickson obviously.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, no, Trey Hendills, Yeah, no, Trey Hendrickson, No, Jermaine
Pratt obviously that that's not notable. Those would be expected. No,
I don't. I don't think so. Dax Hill obviously working
out on the side that wasn't surprising. No, I don't.
I don't think there was anything. I mean, unlike previous years.
Was kind of fun to see, Hey, there's Jamar Chase
(07:26):
and t Higgins doing things during Phase two, right, we
had no always gotten a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Did not get Met Gala invites or turned down the
invite because they wanted to come.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
To phase two. I gotta feel like maybe the new
contract has them dedicated to Phase two. I don't. Maybe
it's workout bonuses, maybe it's just a desire to be here,
and maybe it was an invite thing. I know. Again,
more for us in the thirty for thirty about the
twenty twenty five Met Gala. I'm sure all you all
that information will be in there. Met Gala's once a
year thing, I believe. So you're challenging my knowledge on
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this now too.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I want to make sure later in the show, when
I devote large swaths of airtime to the inevitable Joe
Burrow Met Gala take because now I feel like I
have to beat everybody to the punch tomorrow. All those
shows like on FS one at ESPN where they yell
at each other and talk passionately about things they really
don't care about. I feel like, now tomorrow there might
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be you. Like you'll see the clip and it's got
the big chiron, the big graphic. Burrow skips phase two
for Gala. Is he all in? Is he sending a message?
Does he not want to play for the Bengals like you?
I have to beat ready, And so I'm just trying
to get as much background on this particular item as
I can get.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
No, I know you're in a great place. I think
you've hit all the proper spots, and I think that
I'm sure you'll have a great take tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
All right, Well, let's talk about some actual football star,
can we Yeah, So I read you've written a couple
of things since we last talked. One is about how
the Bengals kind of meshed Al Golden's vision with the
players they took in the draft. And here's what was
striking about this to me. I've been falling following this
team for forty plus years. I can never recall such
a heavy emphasis on the position of linebacker. If you
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know anything about how the Bengals have historically valued that position.
This just reading this much less observing the off season
is noteworthy and to me.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Striking the last time they spent a first or second
round pick on a linebacker was Ray mal Luga two
thousand and nine. Right, so you're going you're going back. Okay,
this is not you're right, this is not who they've been.
But I think they looked at what they had and said,
this what I want to do. I would how Golden
once to do. Cannot do it with this. We must
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fix this. This, this must be a priority to overhaul
this linebacker. But not just you know, the interesting thing
to me in talking to people was not just with
a linebacker, not just don't just throw a linebacker at
the problem. There's a really specific type. They were really
looking more for versatility in their linebackers. Linebackers that can
do things like, you know, play as a stack or
(10:02):
drop down off the edge if they need to, and
they can blitz them and bring them outside more, but
also be able to do a little bit more of everything,
which is asking a lot more of them. And they
also kind of wanted to run through the linebackers. I
think in the past when the remote defense, I've done
a little bit more of running through the safeties. In
terms of the checks and all the everything that they
needed to be doing. And I'm sure we'll talk about
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you know, Stone later in the show, but like you know,
his ability, their ability to do that is can be
challenging if you don't have the right guys in place there.
And I think they feel like, look, let's put the
right guys in place at linebacker. That's run it through this.
That's where Al Golden's background is and was here and
and there was a very clear opinion that entering this
offseason that this is a big part of where this
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needs to start and that maybe that was undervalued in
previous years and specific with what he wants to do.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Elaborate on something you just said, because I wrote it
down to something I want to ask you you wrote
in your piece and you just referenced that Al Golden
wants the defense to run through linebacker and not safety.
For a total idiot like myself, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I think it means a lot of where the calls
and everything that you're trying to accomplish with the way
it goes is something that the linebackers do, and they
do well. They are the ones that are making sure
everybody's in the right place. They're the ones that are
seeing things. They're the ones that are kind of involved
with the more of the mental load, I guess you
should say, of what they're doing, and they need to
(11:26):
have a little bit more versatility in what they do
and they can be more weapons than just guys that
are behind the defensive lineman going to tackle, you know. So,
I think I think that's a bigger part of it,
where you know, before a lot of it, especially with
Jesse and Vaughn on the level that they were playing at,
they were the ones that were really doing a lot
of the dictating. It's still the case, I mean, safety safety,
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you still have to be able to do that, but
I do think he sees it a little bit more
through the linebacker's eyes.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Paul Dayner, Junior of the Athletic dot Com Will you
be compelled to write a piece about Joe not come
into phase two because of the met gala?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm not competitors, editors going to make you chime in
on this. I feel like I've already given more time
to it than I ever thought that I would. Me
and you here, so I feel like, six man, what
do I do?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I mean, I mean, let's go on now. I will
not you. I will not be writing about that. I
have other things that I will be writing about, but
I'm not quite there yet.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I do want to ask you about something you have
coming out tomorrow. Yeah, and we have to talk about
your fifty three man roster outlook.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You like that? I do. I do.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And look ahead to next week when we're getting mock schedule. Oh,
you know what, you know, mock schedules coming up. I'm
already excited. I've already started thinking about it. All right, Well,
I have a question about mock schedule sixteen after three o'clock.
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Speaker 1 (13:28):
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Speaker 3 (13:31):
Paul Tanner is here from The Athletic and the Growler
podcast One more thing on the the Al Golden Piece,
talking about finding players who fit what he's looking for.
So and you and I have talked about this. Uh,
they have an addressed defensive tackle beyond TJ.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Slayton.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And the response to that is, well, they're you know,
on passing down is gonna throw some guys inside, which
sounds great, and Shamar Stewart is good at that, fantastic.
This is a question that is maybe not that important,
but I can't help but wonder why was the previous
defensive coordinator so adverse to doing such a thing, taking
edge guys and kicking them inside.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, I don't know how much it fit his what
he felt like his system was. You know, I think
you saw it on third down some I mean you
saw a lot of little bit like the side did
a decent amount of that.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You know, there was I feel like a while ago,
a little bit with Sam there.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Was always talk about that. I was like, why don't
you and the office he'son always be like and say, oh, yeah,
we're gonna try to do that more. And then as
the games came, he felt like he didn't really see
that much or it would be you know, in clear
third down packages. I also think that, you know, the
style of defense when he would go to the like
five down defensive lineman stuff, it's a little different than
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if you go to say more of just a three
down with a couple of linebacker types more on the outside.
So I just think he just didn't feel like it
fit as much and it just was more of a
this is kind of what they have, and you know,
I think they felt like they had had. Oh we're
Sheldon Rankins. He's gonna be a real three techniqueer and
draft Chris Jenkins and he's gonna help be a real
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three technique and and some of that stuff. Maybe it
just by the way, Yeah, long term, Chris Jenkins, you
buy Chris Jenkins on term Chris Jenkins, what about it.
I think he's gonna be good. Okay, I don't know
that he's going to be a pass rusher. No, like
that I get, but I I mean, I think they're
hoping he's going to be good, but I don't. I mean,
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you know, you're hoping. Again, that's hope. Is a year year,
one year, two jump you need. It's got a little
bit different than last year. I think there was some
stuff working against him last year, and I think there's
certainly a chance, but that's a that's a hard that's
a hard one to bank on because I don't look
in there and think I just look in there and
look for a pass rush right now. Yeah, And maybe
that's just because it doesn't feel like they have any
(15:52):
I just I don't know that you can bank on
it coming from him. Maybe it does a little bit more,
but maybe No, he's not a pass rusher.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
No.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I mean, I think as construction of the defensive line goes,
there's reason to be bullish about both guys they drafted
last year stopping the run, which they've emphasized.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
They certainly need them to be good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
So, but if you knew that about Chris Jenkins, and
I kind of interrupted you there, But like, why would
you be opposed to throwing some of those guys inside?
Was it because they had children? Rankings barely played.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
They barely had children? Rancons? Now, I just think that situationally,
they that wasn't a part of what he wanted to do.
You know, I don't. It's hard to there's just so
there's so much and there's so much revisionist history over
last year, you know, where it's like we just continue
to go back to the same place where it's like, well,
everything ends the same way. Last five weeks, when we
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just simplified everything, everything worked a lot better. And I
think that's kind of what all of last year's problems,
you know, come from, whether schematic or otherwise, is just
that Defense was not ready for what they lou was
trying to have them do.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Gino Stone has apparently taken a pay cut. Yeah, one
point six mil. Talk with you guys today, Yeah, acknowledged
I'm taking a pay cut one point six mil. I
think said all the right things, right, yeah, yeah, Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Can you help me understand.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
This because when I think of a player taking a
pay cut, I think of a situation like Joe Mixon
where it's take a pay cut or else, and it
was either take the pay cut or you're gone, because
we like we have at this position, they literally have
done nothing at safety.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yes, behind him.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Are Dejon Anthony and Tyson Anderson who has played as
many safety snaps in the NFL as I have. So
what's what's the point of asking the guy to take
a pay cut? Because I can't imagine they would have
cut him had he said no. What are they doing?
It's a great question, though, what are they doing? What
are they doing to do? I mean, I think it's
weird to mix something that you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
You do that, but that's a big, way bigger number
five mil, right, I mean you're a way bigger number
than what you're talking about. But you know, Stone one
point six I mean you're less than one percent of
yourself cap and you know, and and Geno Stone mentioned
sort of like, well, you know, if you're you're moving around.
They haven't said specifically if you're moving around trying to
pay tray. If there was just one point six million,
that was a difference between what you could do with
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Trey and what you can't. What's going on here? There
are a million other ways that you can make one
point six million in cash or cap happen for yourself,
and they have plenty of cap right now. Uh So,
if that's it, I don't. The thing is, there's two
sides to this one. You're just we've talked often about
Genostone and how he did not play very well last year,
no question, Yeah that's so. But if you felt like
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you felt so low of Genostone that you're like, let's
make him take a pay cut, okay, And honestly, one
point six just feels personal at that point. If you
you say let's make him take a pay cut, you
say that, well, okay, if you feel that low about him,
then why didn't you replace him? Why didn't you draft
somebody to play safety over him? Why didn't you sign somebody?
If you've but you say no, and okay, I'm here
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to I'm here to believe that part. All right. We
believe in Genostone. We think he sounds like he understands
it better, He played better, as things simplified, Al Golden
has a vision for him all things that he's really
motivated by proving himself again. He said, today, I've got
this seventh round pick mindset back again. All right, I'm
here to believe all of that, and then at the
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end you're gonna degrease him with like, ah, yeah, but
take take one point six million dollars pay cut. We
built yep, and you're our plan. But you know, but
we want you to be our plan for one point
six million dollars less. It just feels it just doesn't
feel like it meshes, man, It just doesn't just doesn't
make that part doesn't make sense to me. Why you
would why you would do that?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Well, what I don't understand is if Gino Stone would
have said, actually, no, I'm not taking a pay cut,
then what Yeah, this was my literal question.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Like I'm just sort of listening to Geno talk and
he's talking, and I'm just like thinking, I don't I
don't mean to be captain obvious here, but why didn't
you just tell him no? And he kind of looked at.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Me and smile, Oh, the kind of things like well, yeah,
we we we we thought about that, yeah, and but
we decided to do it's best for you.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
He's like, you get rid of your agent and let
me step into your world, buddy.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
They don't have another answer. If you say no to
this pay cut. They're literally not going to do anything.
So you know what I'm gonna say is I'm good.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, I'm cool. I'd like to make the money that that.
You know, we we have all this talk of honoring
contracts right here, I really feel like this could be.
That's the other thing, like when when fans and people
hear about talks of honoring contracts, remember that, Yeah, remember
when the players do the things that the players do. Yes,
this is what happens. Yes, is that when the team
doesn't think you want to, they just come back and now.
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And he could he could have said no, sure, and
they could have done whatever. But I'm just saying, you
remember that it has to go both ways. And it
just feels it just did this one didn't. Doesn't sit right.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I don't understand the point. I can understand, Hey, we
need some coin to go get this done. They have
money to get stuff done this offseason, and as you said,
I cannot imagine that that money they're giving back to
the Bengals, that Genostone is giving back to the Bengals
is going to be what suddenly turns Trey Hendrickson into
a long term Bengal that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, it was, It's what it was. He was at
thirty point Ford. It had to be thirty two. So
we're going to steal it from Geno's Stone. There's just
no I mean, that's just such a small amount for
it to really be about that.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It just feels to me like they did this because
they could, and maybe they realized Geno's Stone is unpopular
among their fan base, and so hey, we could I
don't know, punish Geno Stone for having a bad.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Year, which he had a bad year like that year.
I've renamed my dog after him, But then cut him
this is weak and get somebody else or have have
a plan B.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And you could hold over his head and go, dude,
if you say no to this, here's the guy we're
putting it safety because sure as hell, ain't Tyson as.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Maybe and maybe it was. Maybe they sat there and
they're like, we have Justin Simmons online too. You take
one point six pay cut or the phone call goes
to Justin Simmons. I don't know there are there are
I wrote this in the fifty three Man. There are
having safeties out there right now. They played more than
fifty percent of the snaps last year, they are still
on side. So there are players that had to be it. Then,
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I mean it's the only and and it's just come on, man,
but do you want them to be your guy or not?
Like I just to me, it's it's not it's not
it's not even necessarily about the money. It's about what
what are you trying to do here? Are you trying
to say Geno's your guy and you're willing to go
with it? And if and if you felt that low
of him, why did you not do something to actually
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replace him in the draft or in free agency or
bring in competition at the very least. That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
It's those don't mesh with each other. I see better
than I hear. I hear we have confidence in Geno Stone.
And if I'm Geno Stone, I go, yeah, look at
my paycheck. I'm about one hundred grand light or per game. Like,
that's not showing confidence in me. If your boss says
we have all the confidence in the world and you're
you're the guy, and then says, but we needed you
to take a pretty big pay cut and not gonna
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do anything else with the money, Hey man, that's not
a ton of confidence in you.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I appreciate, you know. Kelsey Conway inquirer specifically, like, is
it hard not to take it personal when your employer
does this, Well, it's this point. He's like, yeah, I mean,
obviously it is no doubt. He's like, but I will
credit Gino. He stood up and said all the right
right things and admitted I didn't play great last year
and there's a lot of weight, so I understand. It's
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a business. And he's like, I've been you know, I've
moved teams, I've been played for different coordinators. I've I've
had to I've been in rooms with first round draft
picks and I've had to play certain roles. I get it,
and I've survived by having this seventh round mentality. And
I'm here to do that and do what's best for
the team, and that's all I care about. And I
just want to put my best games on tape and
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I and I appreciate taking that attitude because this is
an easy opportunity to air the grievances. And I'm gonna
guess if it were me, if it were you, I
don't know how good I'd be in front of my
locker today of saying the right things, So I credit
I credit Geno for that. He does seem to have
the right attitude about him, but the plan doesn't mesh.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
So he has one more year past twenty twenty five
in his current contract.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Correct, he's got this year.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
If if he goes and he has an all pro
caliber season, are they gonna give him the money back?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I took it away from him because he's stunk last year. Yeah,
give more guarantee, a slight guarantee involved to cover himself.
But I mean it's it's like, no, there's there's no I.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Feel bad for Genostone, this guy that I have mocked
and made fun of and renamed my dog after, because
he takes she takes terrible angles on the toys I throw, Yeah,
playing fetch now, Like I'm I'm all in on genos Stone, Dude,
go do it because I think this is crummy.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I agree, I think he I think there's it
feels that way, And I should have asked him today
if he heard about your your dog renaming and if
that was part of the process of frustration. Well, if
the answer is yes, that doesn't mean he has to
take a one point six million dollar pay cut right,
there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I it's hey, we have all the confidence in you,
mad We think you're the ideal person for this position.
Just really quick, We're gonna need to cut your pay
by what's the percentage?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
What was he supposed to make of the total cap? Yeah? No,
for for GINO. What was gin gonna make this year
that they subtracted from? Oh yeah, so you're oh geez,
what was it? Uh seven? It was two year fourteen?
So yeah, So I mean, I don't know what the
percentage of I'm not doing math in my head, right,
so that's like twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, We're hey, we have all the confidence in the
world in you, except we're going to reduce your salary
by twenty percent.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, whatever, pal, whatever sounds great, And I'm gonna go
give my all. Who do you got behind me? Uh?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
One? Really? Yeah, yep, let me take that pay cut. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I hope Genostone has a great year. It's twenty seven
away from four o'clock. I want to talk about the
lack of trades, which you're going.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
To write about.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yes, all right, we'll do that when we come back
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Red's now trying to break a three game losing streak.
Andrew Abbott and Lefty Chris Sayle on the Hill seven
(27:08):
fifteenth tonight on seven hundred WLW Tyler Callahan to the
injured list with that left fore arm fracture he suffered
during that ugly play trying to catch a ball down
a left field line last night. Also, Zululeda Zulueda god
Yaz Vszulueda has been sent to a Triple A Louisville.
Jacob Hurdabies is back for some reason, so is Ryan
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Complex League for the start of a rehab assignment. Paul
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Joe Burrow not there because he was at the Oscars
or something last night.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I don't know what the met gala is.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
By this time next year, I will know what the
Met galleon is, Okay, just in case he goes and
has to miss another practice.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I think there may be a number of different gala
that you need to learn about now that Joe Burrow
is in full Hollywood mode right now.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I need Met gala for dummies. Yeah, so you explain
to me exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
How hard. Can it be all right?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Well, when we come back, Oh, we've got some other
stuff here. I'll read for you the Wikipedia entry for
the Gala of Gala Gala Gala. I'll read you the
Wikipedia entry and you can tell me what it means.
You're a literary guy. You keep putting this on me
like literary guy, so I must know all about this. Okay,
(28:30):
I'll do my best. Paul Danner Junior with us for
the rest of the hour. You have a piece coming
out tomorrow about trades and from a Bengals perspective, a
recent lacked era.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, mostly in the draft. I mean it's kind of
looking at what we just went through, uh, in the draft.
And you know, this is two straight years now that
you have had the Bengals surprisingly stick and pick sixteen
consecutive picks the last two years where they have done
they've not moved. They've just sat there and taking the
(29:00):
players that came to them. Last year it was, oh,
you'd think probably they would consolidate all those late picks
and maybe come up and find some targets. They didn't.
They just took a bunch. This year. It was open before.
We want more picks. We desire to have more picks.
They had opportunities to do so, specifically in the second
the third round, they passed on those to take the
Meetri Site and Dalan Fairchild and sat still. Meanwhile, as
(29:24):
anyone who watched the draft knows, everyone is trade. Nick
Cassario in four years has had thirty five selections, thirty
one of which were traded. Yeah, this is what you know.
Howie Roseman is making a you know, a persona off
of this, off of all the movies, and this is
(29:45):
in there, and I love the league is taken over
now by all of these young or at very at
least if they're not young, just aggressive GM styles that
are happening. And the Bengals are, and I'm not saying
right or wrong they are they I have been conservative. Now,
it's not like they've never traded before in the past
they have, but in the last three years there have
(30:07):
been one hundred and seven trades on draft days. Just
on draft days last three years, one hundred and seven,
So that's two hundred and fourteen teams the Bengals have
been part of. One two hundred and fourteenth that was
Jordan Battle, moving back three spots for Jordan Battle a
couple of years ago. That's it. And so the thing
(30:28):
is is that overrated? Is this GM saying look at
me and all the wizardry, when at the end of
the day you just have a player and you're judged
by your player. Or is the conservative nature of the
Bengals specifically these last two to three years what we
talk about when we talk about winning or losing in
(30:49):
the margins in the NFL adding a pick, Well, when
you come out of this and what's the thing that
we we've all come out of the saying, where's the
Have you seen the defensive tackle around here?
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Anywhere?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Where's the defensive tackle? Right? Sure could have used one
more pick? Well, they had opportunities. We had Mike Potts
on our show last week and we talked kind of
specifically about this, and he's talking about some other places too. Yeah,
they had offers. They were all putting them together. They
are on the table and they you know, they had
conviction on Demetrious Night, they had conviction on Fairchild and
didn't think the move back was worth the risk of adding.
(31:22):
But they could have added and chose not to do so.
And when it's a pick where people say, ah, maybe
you could have gotten them later, and maybe they couldn't
have they that wasn't worth the risk to them, and
obviously it wasn't, or they would have made the choice
to make the move. But when you have these opportunities
and then you look at the big picture of an
entire league doing this all over the place, it's I
(31:46):
think that's one where you got to say, is this
conservative style? Is it hurting them? Or is this just
people making too big of a deal out of all
the trading and the moves that that happened. Can the
answer both? Yeah, I think too big of a deal
is made at it, but it's also it's probably never
good to be totally on any side of the spectrum. Yeah,
(32:08):
I probably want to be more right. So I certainly.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Believe there are probably general managers who are making trades
just to make trades, Yeah, just to hey, let's show
how creative I am the wheeler dealer, uh and and
reap the immedia he r benefit from it. I certainly
do think watching this year's draft, and you wrote about
Al Golden and Demetrious Knight and mentioned like they could
(32:34):
have traded but that's who they wanted. There's a part
of me that I really can appreciate the oversimplification of like,
hey man, we want this guy. Let's just make sure
we get this guy. And you know what, maybe we
could still get this guy, but we really want this guy,
and so screw it, we're just taking him. I can
kind of appreciate that. At the same time, I guess
for me with the Bengals, I just I look at
recent drafts, and I look at the numbers with this
(32:55):
year's draft in particular, and I wish they would be
would have been a little bit more bold, bit more aggressive,
and I think I think you could do that without
gratuitously making trades just so Adam Schefter could tweet about
you on Draft.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Night, right, and and they have. It's just like when
you're in a situation like they have been the last
couple of years, where it feels like there's opportunity to
make more out of these drafts for yourself with movement
and so much of the league is doing so you
can lose. But if it just looked a little bit
more like some of the drafts where they just you know,
here comes the Bengals second round move back to AD
(33:29):
picks or whatever, and it's like it just feels like
the reluctance to do that and then also the same way.
And I know they finally made a trade at the
deadline this past year, but that's obviously been they've been
reluctant to do over the course of time. That plays
into this too, the reluctance to make trades there where
you don't see as much of that, and that usually
can end up in whether it's draft capital or a
(33:50):
player or something like that, just that you know, as
the league becomes more trade heavy, and this has been
a trade a trend that's been going on for a
decade now, as it becomes more and more that way,
it sticks out even larger when you have a couple
of drafts and things like like this where there's just
where it's just the one team we had. I thought
(34:10):
of it. I wanted to look further into it when
Mike Sando did a sort of anonymous execs story about
their thoughts on everybody's draft, and in it we had
our little graphics of and it was the graphic of
everybody's draft, and but next to it, in addition that
they are are fine graphic people, to this year, where
they had if the pick was traded and who with
and all of them are just this pick had moved,
(34:33):
like almost all of them, and you just see it
on the on down the line. Fifty three percent of
this year's picks were not the original pick of that team,
three percent of the entire draft when you had that,
And then there's the Bengals with nothing in that left
side column. Only Tampa Bay could say the same thing,
(34:53):
and that they just sat there and had their own
picks most of them have. The entire thing is just
move picks and trying to find a way to get
an angle here there. Again, I think you end up
in this same place where it's like, probably needs to
be a little bit more aggressive. It doesn't need to
be full Casario, right, but it's notable the last two
(35:15):
to three years how different they've been operating than a
majority of the league.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
I just would have liked to have had this year
as many picks as they had needs.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
And they were one away in my opinion, right, I
thought they were one away. That was I wanted.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I may have said this to you before the draft,
I know I said it in this in this studio.
I want as many picks as they have needs.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
That's it. And to me.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Getting that doesn't require some sort of huge, bold, you know,
uber aggressive strategy. It's just some deafness and identifying players
that are good plan bs for the players who are
plan A if you don't get them right. Yeah, that's
all I wish they would have done. And so the
way I look at the class is I'm all in
(36:02):
on most.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Of these guys. Yeah, Like, it's not about the players.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It's not about the players, like the Shamar Stewart thing
I said on your podcast, Like I think the pressures
can translate, and I like drafting a twenty five year
old with two kids a linebacker, and Dylan Fairschild looks
the part God knows. After talking to his offensive line
coach at Georgia, I was all ready to go.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And I'm big on Taje.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Brooks and Barrett Carter looks like a guy who's kind
of the antithesis of what they've had at that position
in terms of just athleticism.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Like it's not about the players. I just wish they
would have.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Had one more Yeah, And I don't think that's an
unreasonable take. And you get yelled at for being too
pessimistic if you're like, yeah, the players are fine, but
like I like these six, I would have liked to
have had a seventh because they had one more, at
least one more need and maybe one more beyond that.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, and maybe you know, we're ripping them if they
have to move back ten or fifteen spots in round
two and Night goes away and they feel like now
they don't solve their linebacker problem, or they have to
overdraft Barrett Carter now and and and it falls the
wrong way for them, and then we'll rip them because
that fourth round pick ends up being you know, like
(37:10):
Tyler Shelvin or Khalid Kareem or or Renelle ren or
any number. But you know, sometimes that's a deep cut.
I'm just I'm just I just went through him today.
I was I had to do this line today in
my story going back. Hey, there's more, there's more Renel Wrens.
Then there's Carl Lawson's and Geno Atkins. Okay, they're easier
to find when you go down the list, But I'm
(37:30):
just saying you you you doesn't mean you stop swinging,
and you obviously have to keep adding. And they know
that that's a philosophy that they've lived by. And so
I just feel like it ends up where I'm with you.
It felt like a willing to play a little less
conservative could have helped them tick that one last box here.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
All right, last week, you were on the show with
me and we kind of made fun of Jermaine Burton
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It's never happened before he was there.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
He was must have gotten a lead start, so he
was there doing his He was, you know what, good
he had in the right direction. So I want you
to write the piece this summer. Okay, what if Jermaine
Burton ends up getting it.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm not writing that this summer because he's got to
get through more than a summer perforeming a right down.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Okay, what if he makes the team? Can he make
the team? And then you write.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Because there's a lot of ways he makes the team. Okay, Well,
then go ahead and write it, and then June, I'm
gonna need to see it. I think he's got to
go execute beyond fake game in a preseason game that's
not in the fourth quarter against dudes who are not
going to play in the NFL. If he can go
through and play an entire preseason game without running the
(38:44):
wrong route, Look, you had a picture of him in
your thing. You know, I didn't put that picture in there.
Everything I don't write in the mix for the Bengals
after a tumultuous rookie year. You can thank saving on
that one. He picked that out. So there's a reason
why they took him.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Okay, there's a reason to be skepticism, to be skeptical
about him. It's not has to do with his talent.
It's maturity, it's work ethic, it's having an alarm clock,
it's all these things. Okay, if he can fix all
that stuff, why then can I think about the tantalizing
athletic ability worked into an offense that is already tantalizing.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, there's a reason he's still here. There's a reason
they put up with everything they just put up with
is because, yeah, that's tantalizing. It's also far off, mo.
I know. The slot machines are too right there. It's
it's just it's just right down the road and you
can find them all over the place. I was.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
We did our show from bell Terra Park on Friday.
My show next to a slot machine, and you look around.
It'll be awesome. If Jermaine Burton sits down here just
as me in the middle of May as a glass
half full guy. That's a good place to be excitement
for this. Maybe he'll be the winner of the Moegger Award.
He's eligible. So Yosha vass is one of the consecutive years.
(40:02):
Take third year, and I was actually doing that. I
was looking at your roster breakdown. None of these I
don't even know who Michael Tinsley Mitchell Tinsley is, so
Jamoy Mays also would like to root for him too.
But if I'm handicapping the field, Jermaine Burton, I got
like five.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
To one to be the Muleger Award winner. Yeah, I
like that. I mean I think that. I think that
there's a reason that he's still here, and I just, ah,
it's just too far off for me to be considering that.
There's it's when you have so much distrust and things
went so wrong, like I need, I need to see
(40:39):
a game plan executed. I need months and months of consistency. Okay,
No one's saying that he won't have he can't have flashes.
He had flashes last year. Yeah, but I need I
need to know that I can trust you to show
up the day before week three against the Patriots, or you're.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Gonna throw this in my face like he doesn't show
up for a day of training camp.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I'm not throwing anything in your face. You're asking me
to write a story that I'm not gonna write until
I see something that's a little more substantial. That's all
I'm saying. The first start answering questions. You're asked me questions,
and I'm answering them. I'm telling you my answer to
your question about why I'm not writing a piece or
in one of my what do you call my little articles?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Your little article, there's a big picture theatre in this
entire roster breakdown.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
You know much color ain't got used here at the
radio station. I'm just happy you're still printing.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
The met Gala, formally called the Costume Institute Benefit, is
the annual Hot Cuture fundraising festival. Right there is when
I kind of lost interest, Like when I started looking
at this out this morning.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Okay, what's the Metcala.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
It's an annual hot culture fundraising I don't know what
hot Cuture is. Right there, I kind of lost interest,
but I kept going hell for the benefit of the
Metropolitan Museum of Arts costume Institute in Manhattan, Like we
have Capitals downtown. Is that what that is? It's a
costume store.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
It's very very similar, very similar, Just like like does
pop up Halloween series show? This should be you know,
everybody wants some publicity. I think this is a great
opportunity for Capitals to be like, hey, we're gonna have
our own little Cincinnati met Gala and and invite mister Burrow.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
So you know how like deserted malls come September will
pop up those Halloween stores.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, this is yeah Halloween spirit.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
The MET Gala is often regarded as the world's most
prestigious and glamorous fashion events. Uh it costs seventy five
thousand dollars per seaed Wow, yeah, how about that because
it says here a genre of fundraising gala contribution of
seventy five thousand dollars per seed to enter last.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Year's Met Gala, Why so you should go? I don't know,
this is up your alley afford to get in, and
I'm sure I'm not going to be invited tougher ticket
Met Gala or salstack Salstak's a tough time. I know
it is. I've been Yeah, it's awesome. I was the
I went the year that they had all the former
Bengals of the eighty eight team. It was awesome. Uh
(43:07):
that was the that was the Samwisch tribute. Yeah, yeah,
that was cool. Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Well, I've hosted a bunch of the house sports tags.
I'm likely not going to MC. I assume this thing
has an MC. Maybe the Wikipedia page is quite large.
There's a lot there, all right, so you keep going
through it to be fine. Uh, thank you as always.
This was great, it was I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
I enjoyed it. Got mad at me for suggesting you
write stuff. It was no. I answered your question, you did.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I didn't get mad. You were belaboring the point it was. Buddy,
it's May sixth I know we had a long way
to go. Read Paul Danner Junior at the Athletic dot
com and catch the Growler podcast. Uh. We'll get into
what happened last night in suburban Atlanta and more next
on ESPN fifteen.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Thirty Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty.
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