5/14/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show w/ Chad Brendel

Happy Pete Rose Day!

Episode Transcript

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Well and Pete Rose ends it with an iconic moment.

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He rose Earl and the Ray Popsey who was bowing getting.

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Up Charlie Hudgs as you call him Pete Rose, but
everybody calls him. It looked like he was going to
fly at first, head first and looked up until the
catcher had to play clock and you just can't fly
a headhurst into the ocean guard. So at the last
minute he just sort of hit Posy with a buddy
block and broke off to play and did not much.
Poty even gag the ball and then just fell down

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and eat both of them on the plane.

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I'm not going to tell you where Moegger is right now.
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but try to get through it today. Arn, it's gonna

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Speaker 7 (02:11):
Including about maybe ten minutes on this show.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I was on this show for ten minutes. We simulcast,
first time we've ever done that. We didn't know who
was supposed to ask the questions. Was I the guest
on Moe's show? Or was Moe the guest on my show?
It's confusing, but we figured it out. Let the voice
rest a little bit last night and this morning, we'll

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see if we can get through three hours today. If not,
you're gonna be talking to Tarring a lot, or we're
just gonna be replaying segments from five to one to
three day. On five to one four Day one of
the two A couple guests coming up today. Richard Skinner
joins us at three point thirty. Sure, we'll touch on
a plethora of topics. Clay Snowden at four point thirty

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to talk Cincinnati reds. Clay from Just Baseball, one of
my favorite baseball guys in the city. Love talking to Clay.
I hope we have fun today. I don't know what
we're going to talk about that's positive, but we're gonna try.
I will thank Moe. Because of five to one to

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three day yesterday and Mo being on campus at the
University of Cincinnati doing a live broadcast as well, he
didn't get a lot of time yesterday to spend on
the two big topics of the week. One, obviously Trey
Hendrickson and his impromptu session with the Cincinnati media during

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OTAs some of that happening as practice was going on
behind him. And then Pete Rose Pete Rose Day today.
Pete Rose is lifetime ban lifted by Commissioner Rob Manfred

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yesterday on the Trey Hendrickson situation, I am torn, am torn.
I want to pick a side, but I don't know
which side to pick. Maybe you guys can help me

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out today phone lines are open five one, three, seven, four,
fifteen thirty. On one hand, I think this is a
much different situation than contract negotiations with Joe Burrow or
Jamar Chase or t Higgins. Those three guys were all

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operating on their first contract on their rookie deals. Tea
obviously a little different playing last year or under the
franchise tag, But he has not signed a second contract
until it had not signed a second contract until a
couple of weeks ago. Same with Joe, same with Jamar.

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Trey Hendrickson had already played out his rookie deal, his
second deal was with the Cincinnati Bengals, and his third
deal an extension on that original deal with the Cincinnati Bengals.
This is someone that is much later in the process.

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This is someone that has a year left on a
contract that he negotiated. Has he put up outstanding sack numbers? Absolutely?
Has he been one of the best sack artists in
the NFL? Yes? Is there a situation where he deserves

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a ray, Yes, But there is kind of a stalemate
here because the Bengals have clearly have Trey at thirty
years old price lower in value than Trey has himself.

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I understand Trey wanting more money. I understand Trey believing
he should be paid as one of the best edge
defenders in the NFL. But I also understand where the
Bengals are coming from. Trey is pretty one dimensional. He

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gets to the quarterback, does it at a very high level,
really doesn't do a whole lot to help the defense. Otherwise,
not a guy that's good against the run, not a
guy that's good at setting an edge. I I think
there are reasons for the Bengals to say, one one

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being aged, two being style of play. We have you
valued at this number, and it's not Miles Garrett, you know,
crazy top of the market numbers. But here's my problem
with taking the Bengal side. Historically they are bad at this.

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They're not good at assigning value. When that value is
we are not going to pay you what you think
you're worth or what the market says you're worth. We
have loads of examples over the years on that. You

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know in recent memory, Andrew Whitworth and Just Bates come
to mind. Those guys knew their worth, they wanted demanded
their worth. The Bengal said no, thank you. They moved on.
People gave them what they were worth and guess what,
they proved that they were worth it. So I think

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it's hard to take the Bengals side here because they
have not proven to be good at this. They can
get the obvious done, Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, obvious t Higgins.
I don't think they wanted to get t Higgins done.

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I think Joe Burrow told them, if you want me
to be happy, you will get t Higgins done. And
they held their nose and for one of the few
times in my lifetime, the Bengals front office blinked and
did something they probably didn't want to do. Good for them,

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But do I trust them to accurately assess the value
of Trey Hendrickson. No, I don't. So I'm stuck in
no man's land here because I don't necessarily want to
back Tray in this situation because I don't think he's
handling it well, and I think he is in a

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situation that he agreed to. He agreed to this deal.
You can go back and say all you want. Well,
they they told me this. They told me that, yeah, well,
you know what, at that point in time, I don't
think they planned on having T. Higgins under long term

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contract for the money that T Higgins is getting. Plans change, brother,
So now the Bengals have a different valuation. If you
don't want to play for that valuation, you play out
this season, you make your eighteen million dollar and then

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when next offseason rolls around, you keep it moving. But
I'm not going to give the Bengals blind credit for
drawing a line in the sand when we have seen
them draw that line in the sand and end up
like Wiley Coyote. The side of the line that they're

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on is the edge of a cliff. Boy, I lost
a lot of people with that Wily Coyote reference, didn't
I tearran?

Speaker 5 (10:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
No, you think people still still watch the Roadrunner in
Wiley Coyote. They don't watch, But I mean, but they
should know who those two are, Okay, I mean that's
a you know, that's a Wiley Coyote move. The Roadrunner
draws a line in the sand and then Wiley Coyote
falls off a cliff because he's on the wrong side
of the line. The Bengals have fallen off many cliffs

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when it comes to lines in the sand. So there
is a very real possible ability the Bengals are wrong here,
but I don't like the way Trey Henderson's going about it.
So we'll talk about that plenty. If you've got thoughts,
I'm starting with that next phone, lines are open. Pete Rose.

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This has always been an interesting one for me because
I was alive at the end of Pete Rose's career.
I didn't get to see Pete Rose play baseball a lot,
but I did. I was alive when he was the
manager of the Reds through the eighties as a child
growing into my fandom. I was alive and sports conscious

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when he was banned from baseball. I watched a lot
of that play out. And my stance on that is,
I understand that Pete Rose is a let jenden Cincinnati,
and he should be. There has really only been one
dynasty in sports in this town on the professional side.

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On the collegiate side, Cincinnati had a five year stretch.
They went to five straight final fours. They won two championships.
That's pretty damn good. But the seventies Reds, especially seventy
five and seventy six, were clearly the best team in baseball.
You could very much argue the best team in all

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of sports. Everything clicked, everything happened perfectly, everything fell into place.
They were an absolute dominant force that still has talked
about as one of the best baseball teams ever. Pete
Rose was one of the faces of that team. He's
from Cincinnati. He is and represents everything that Cincinnati is about. Hustle,

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hard work, determination, you know, leaving it all out on
the field. Like there's a reason that this city loves
Pete Rose as much as they do.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
I'll actually about to go to the hustle loyalty respect.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I was about to, but I decided not to. I
thought better of it. But the reality is Pete Rose
bet on baseball, and betting on baseball came with a
lifetime ban, and I think that could have been negotiable

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down the road had Pete Rose cooperated at the beginning.
But he didn't. He dug his heels in. I didn't
do that. The problem is he did, and they had
the evidence and they knew that he did it, but
he was being stubborn. He wouldn't give in. He wouldn't

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admit that he did what he did. And because of that,
that bridge was essentially forever burned. And I know there's
a lot out there that feel that he should have
been given this opportunity while he was alive, but I

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don't fully agree. What he did and the way he
handled himself garnered a lifetime ban. His lifetime has now ended, unfortunately,
rest in peace and the ban is lifted, and now
he can potentially get into the Hall of Fame if

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they elect him to do so. But at the end
of the day, you're gonna do the crime, you better
be ready to do the time. And because of the
Black Sox scandal, because a World series was fixed, Baseball

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took a hard line stance that they weren't going to
allow that to be an option again by imposing very strict,
long term, lifetime of impacting implications restrictions. And not only

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did Pete break those, but he doubled down and he
lied about it, and he wasn't truthful, and he set
himself too far on the other side of the aisle
to get back. And it's unfortunate and it stinks, and
I wish that it could have happened a different way,

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but it didn't. In life, you make choices, if you
make bad choices, those choices have consequences. Pete's consequence was
a lifetime ban, and now that he's gone, the lifetime
ban is lifted. I hope we see him in Cooper's town.

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He was one of the greatest baseball players of all time.
He deserves to be there. He jeopardized and damaged being
able to see that happen while he was alive. We'll
talk to about the Reds Bearcats win total for football

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released along with the rest of the Big twelve plenty
to get to let's take a break more after this,
since he's ESPN fifteen thirty. You bet on baseball on me,

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bet on the Reds. We got, we got receipts. Well done, Tarnce,
well done Reds. Reds back in action tonight after pretty

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much an unmitigated disaster last night. Uh Ellie Dela cruise.
It's a home run in the ninth, bottom of the
ninth to tie it at one. They go to extra innings,
one strike away from taking it to the bottom of
the tenth with a chance to win. Instead, give up

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four runs one, two, three in the bottom of the
tenth and away they go. Did you see the Reds tearing.
They've played six extra inning games so far this year.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
And haven't scored a run.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
And no, no, I don't think they have a hit
one hit, one bleep bleep hit. They got a ghost
runner in six games and that guy hasn't scored at all.
Not a ground ball to the right side to get
him to third and then a fly ball to get
him across the plate. Not a single, not anything. I'm

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I'm about at my wits end. How about a double
with one out in the top of the eighth, their
bottom of the eighth double, You're down one nothing, double,
bottom of the eighth, All right, got a rally going
right here we go, Connor Joe double, second base, one out,

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incident at the plate. Who has left handed Mind you,
if you're not familiar with how baseball works, that means
that the catcher has a clear, unobstructed view to third
one in two count, just turn out a third. The

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second inning a row in a row, the Reds had
a runner gunned down at third base, trailing one to
nothing against a dreadful Chicago White Sox team, and your
rabbit six innings, one run, excellent, again, nothing to show
for it. We'll get to this at the five o'clock hour.

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What is this team supposed to be offensively? What is
the desired identity? Because whatever it is, they are not
meet up expectations. Nick Lidolo Tonight, Pete Rose Knight. We'll

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Speaker 7 (21:04):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
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Speaking of gangsters, Let's talk to my guy. Richard Skinner,
Local twelve digital content editor shot him skinny. I'm I'm
gonna go out on a limb here. I'm gonna guess
you're a big Pete Rose guy.

Speaker 9 (21:25):
As a player, for sure. I know he's a flawed character.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
In many many ways. I got a chance to actually
he was in serio, I guess, a client of mine
when I worked at Turflay Park every so often, and
I would I would take you know, we had a
little private room. I would take care of him. I'll
be honest. He was great. I mean, he didn't ask
hardly anything. Occasionally, you know, people would find a way
and to try to get an autograph. He was always

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good about that. Again, he's a he's a very complex
guy because there's a lot of flaws there. But I
mean a kid who I mean, I was born in
nineteen sixty three, Chads, So he started playing baseball in
nineteen sixty three, And it was hard watching that guy
to not try to emulate. That guy's a player, right,
like a crazy, crazy little I first started playing little
league baseball in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and then obviously played not

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who when I came here in high school ball. It
was hard not to do all the things he did.
I mean literally, like a goof nut when I was
eight years old and drew a walk. I ran the
first base. I mean, so it was hard not to
enjoy it. I tried to switch hit. I tried to
initially hit out of the crowds as he get out
of So, yeah, it was hard not to emulate him.
But he's a complex person, there is no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I Unfortunately, I think if he would have handled the
situation better, I think he would have been reinstated while
he was alive.

Speaker 9 (22:43):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
I here listen in the talk show radio days when
I was doing morning radio, I was probably I probably
took as much flat from my stance on Pete Rose
that he was lying all the time than I did
about anything else. And because I knew more, I trust me.
I my uncle knew the bookie that he used to
bet with. I mean, so I knew all these things

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and knew that.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Listen to that.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
If you're doing those things, you are certainly betting on
the game. My hope was always you weren't betting against
her on your team.

Speaker 10 (23:14):
That would have been awful.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
But I mean, everybody knew it, and you know, and
then the worst part of it to come out in
a book is the I think it was almost just like, Okay,
now you're gonna do this for a money grab, right,
So yeah, I think that that if he'd have been forthright,
I don't think it would have been the year that
he hoped it was going to be. No, I think
he was always going to be banished from getting back
into the game. But I do think that the overall

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banishment would have been lifted at some point in his lifetime.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
And because he did the crime, he did the time,
the punishment was a lifetime ban. He was banned for
his lifetime. Like I hate that it that it is that,
but that is what he signed up for.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
That's correct. And that's where I think everybody thinks losing
their mind of you know, it's it would have been
nice to get could have gone his lifetime. Now what's
it gonna matter? Now, Well, there's two parts of this.
To your point. You know, if you have to serve
twenty years for robbery, and you serve the twenty years,
you served your time, right, I mean, you know, hopefully
you you've found a way to rehabilitate yourself and be

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abruptive member of society. But that was the punishment you
were given. You served your time, you're his time was
a lifetime ban his unfortunately his lifetime ended. And the
other part too, It is his family. I think I
really wants to get him into the Hall of Fame,
and that's I think that's that's their choice. I think
any of us should be critical of that or say,
you know, it doesn't do any good now, Well, apparently

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it does to the family because the family wants to
mean and that's your wish, Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Then exactly. I think we're on the exact same page here.
I just I think it sucks that this is the
way it all went down. But you know why you
get out, Like if you if you robbed the bank
and you got twenty years, you know why you get out.
You get out for good behavior, right like he served
twelve years for good behavior. Pete's behavior wasn't good. Didn't

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go out for him.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
No, honestly, to your point, throw yourself literally on the
mercy of the court. Yeah you will and say yeah,
I did it. You guys know I did it. You
got the receipts that I did it, And I'm gonna
admit that I did it, and I have.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
A problem, and I'm gonna seek help, and I, you know,
I understand I can't be in baseball anymore, but I
want to be like on the right side of this.
And he didn't get on the right side until too late, unfortunately.
But there's a celebration tonight. He should be celebrated, he
should be honored. He was one of the great players
in the history of the sport.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Yeah, no question, And I think that that's the part
that listen. I thought dan Let's Lenispan wrote a great
column today about you know, history is not always pretty, right.
I mean, you want it to be pretty, but it's
not always pretty. But it's history. It's part of it.
And I think you have to in order to maybe
learn and understand, you have to continue to embrace the history.

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And Pete Rose is a significant part of the history
of baseball.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, and he is mentioned and in Cooperstown. He's just
not enshrined right because he was because he wasn't allowed
to be because he messed up, speaking a messed up.
I don't know what side to take on Trey Hendrickson's skinny.
I this is how I framed it to start the show.

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It's a different situation than Joe and Jamar and t
Those are rookie contracts. Trey got himself into this. Trey
signed contracts that were negotiated by his agent. He still
has one year left. Clearly the Bengals have a different
value on him than he has on himself, but he's
still under contract for one year. The talk of sitting

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out this year is ridiculous. The Bengals. I want to
give them the benefit of the doubt, but a lot
of how many times have they put a value on
somebody in this similar situation and that valuation ended up
being as wrong as you could possibly be. So I
don't know who to side with because I don't trust
either of them.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
No, both sides have compelling arguments. The one thing I
will say to the point you just made is you're
under contract, Tray. I get why you want an extension,
you want the security. You see where the market went
all of those I get it. But you know last
year there's a there's a The Bengals actually took a
photo and played on Twitter of a smiling Trey Henderson

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signing an extension a couple of years ago because he
thought he was getting a nice deal and he and
at the time he did here's the thing, and this
is where everybody compares market rates, and it drives me
crazy because the market's gone crazy at defensive end. In
my opinion, I love Miles Garrett. I don't think he's
a forty million dollars year player. MaTx Crosby's a good player.
He's not better than Trey Henderson. He's at thirty five mil.

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Daniel Hunter, somebody gave him thirty five mil. I know
people are you manson Edge Rusher, They're a premium in
the league. Hey, I'm not so sure you're not better
off having push in the middle sometimes too. But anyway,
just because other teams did stupid thing, do you think
the Browns are well run? Do you think the Raiders
are well run?

Speaker 11 (27:58):
Right?

Speaker 6 (27:59):
Argue the Texans were pretty well run. Just because other
teams did stupid things don't mean you have to do
stupid things at market rate. And so if Trey's thinking
and he brought Max, he brought all those guys up
yesterday when he talked to us, and he did it
for a reason, and he said, I'm not gonna apologize
for the market win. I get it, man, you are
better than all those guys. Besides milescuse Miles Garrett in
my opinion, and honestly, Miles Garrett fall off a cliff

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at his age. So I understand that part from from Trey,
but you're not getting that. You're just not. So that's
the part that we're not We're not gonna be privy
to know because neither side's gonna give us a figure.
Where are we have the Bengals low balled at twenty
two mil? Have they gone to what they feel is
a fair twenty eight to thirty mil offer? And Trey
sticks to his guns and says, no, I'm as good

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as these and he is, but again doesn't mean you're
going to get it. And I think that's where we're at.
And unfortunately for Trey, you saw it play out yesterday.
His only leverage now is to complain about this and
to say again you made the point too, to say
I'm not gonna play again. I'm not playing on this contract.

Speaker 9 (28:59):
Okay, So you're gonna give up.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
The sixteen to eighteen million dollars that you were going
to make this year, not put any production on the
field this year, the Bengals would still retain your rights
and then think that you could somehow gallop up the
free agency and somebody's gonna pay you at age thirty
one going into thirty two. Good luck, man, good luck
with that. And I get that he talked yesterday too
that the Bengals are looking for a short term and

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he's looking for a longer term. I mean, I think
if you were gonna do an extension, it's probably two
years in addition to this year, which would be the
twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven season. Again, we can
argue what those figures are. I think anything longer than that.
He's into his thirties. And again, not every thirty three
year old is built the same. Hey, Trainerson takes terrific
care of himself. He was clearly not even close to
losing a step yet. But if you told me that

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what aj greenshrew would fall off the cliff because of
one injury, I would have laughed at him. No, not
a chance. He's not gonna get hurt A and B
he's not gonna fall what he did. And so you can't.
You have to take those things into account. And so
Trey's only leverage is to say he's not gonna play
so with to sade in May and do it in
September are two very different things to me. I said

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it to a bunch of rider rocking yesterday. I said,
right now, Mike Brown's holding a pair of vases. Craze
got you know, five six nine Jack Queen unsuited, and
he's drawn dead and he's trying to bluff and he's
not going to bluff his way through this.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
It's just crazy that he showed up and held court
like while practice was going on. I don't think that's
the image that you wanted.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
So I walked in yesterday and Paul Deer, get your
sprinting down. He goes, Dude, you got to hurry out here.
This is going to be crazy today.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
I'm like, wait what?

Speaker 6 (30:31):
And so I walked out. He goes, I just talked
straight for like twenty minutes in the street, like wait,
he's here.

Speaker 9 (30:36):
I look at her.

Speaker 6 (30:36):
Oh my gosh, he's here. And he goes, Dude, he
wants to get a lot of stuff off of his chest. Apparently.
I'm like, oh, here we go, and again I I
He talked in whittles at times, he also was clear
at times. I mean he point blank answered the question
will you play.

Speaker 9 (30:49):
Under the current contract.

Speaker 8 (30:50):
No.

Speaker 7 (30:51):
You know.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
The one thing I also say about this is I
really feel for Zach Taylor in this that the organization
made him send that text. Sure, I mean, you can't
tell me that the front office hung him out to
drive like that's that's a rift you don't need. And
they created an unnecessary riff because Traderson doesn't have to
deal with Duke Tobin or or some of the other

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folks in the front office on a daily basis like
he does his coach. Now, he sounded angry at Zach
and then he kind of backtracked about I respect Zach
and you know, we still have a good relationship and
all those things. And again, like I said, he talked
in riddles and circles at times. But boy, that was
a crappy place for the organization to put Zach Keller
to say, hey, man, send him his text.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Wouldn't be the first time they've thrown their head coach
under the bus to solve the lack of uh structure
in their front office and in the organization. Red's really quick,
Uh what what is the identity? Like they have drafted
and developed pitching with an identity. They have known what

(31:55):
they are doing in structuring their minor league pitching portion
of the operation. What the hell is their identity offensively, well,
it was.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
Supposed to be the young core of Matt McClain twenty
to twenty five home running guy, Ellie De la Cruz
thirty to thirty five to forty home run guys hes
twenty five to thirty home run guy No La Mark
a twenty homer So this was going to be a
home run hitting team that could also run. Matt McClain
when healthy, can run, Ellie obviously can run. Noel they
can run. Was harder runing you don't get on base, yeah,
not hitting home runs either. And unfortunately, and again I

(32:30):
partly doesn't blame them for this, but you got about
the rest of this year to figure out who can
play it who can't. Look, they thanked on that young
corps of the guys I just brought up, yep, that
were going to not just be good Chad in my pid,
they were going to be, in their opinion, some of
them all stars and maybe one of them the shortstop
a mega star. And no offense to Ellie, he hasn't
developed into that yet. He still shines bright at time

(32:52):
at the home run last night I went nine thousand feet.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
That's great.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
He hasn't He still is on pace for I think
less than thirty home runs this year. And this is
a guy that when he shows off powers mega power.

Speaker 9 (33:02):
Ll I keeps doing a little more consistently.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
What's the issue. So I don't think they overvalue these guys.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (33:07):
I mean, who didn't love what you sawing Matt McClain
And maybe the oblique injury just totally robbed him of
everything and the year off messed him up completely. Tes
has been dealing with injuries. You know, Marte did come
up this year and hit and then he's dealing with
an oblique now. Or you know, you could also argue,
was that maybe just a one week hot streak that
he got on and inflated his numbers and you know,
maybe he's not that good.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
But I think that's what they.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
Banked on it. I don't blame him for that, but boy,
you better make a decision after this season, and if
you didn't figure out a way to develop these guys,
and maybe you overvalue these guys, and shame on me
because I think I overvalue these guys, then you need
somebody else doing the evaluations.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I wonder how much of the it is the development skinny,
because Jonathan India and Tyler Stevenson, like the two of
the top three to five rookies in the National League,
and then they fell off the cliff. I mean, you
know that Stevenson's rounded out to be, you know, a solid,
a solid Major League baseball player, but certainly not one

(34:05):
of the better catchers in baseball. India is having a
bad year. Again, some of these guys came up last
as rookies than the league adjusted. We have not seen
really anybody come up in this organization offensively over the
past seven eight years that has adjusted to the adjustments

(34:25):
and gone on to have a really, really good career.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
And again it's way early. He's twenty sure, and that
includes Ellie. I mean, he's in the seven hundred zhps.
That's that speaks to a good player. And that's fine.
He's a good But we didn't we weren't expecting good player.
We're expecting megastar. And again, it can still happen. It
can happen between now and the end of this year.
It could happen next year. It happen a year after
twenty five. Everybody matures in understantifically. But I don't think

(34:55):
it's unfair to expect a lot out of him because
you see the signs of greatness. It's the greatness is
off the charts when it flashes. But it's one hundred
and sixty two game season. It can't flash forty to
fifty times a year.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, all right, man, I got around. I appreciate it.
It was great talking to you. It's been a little while,
but we'll talk soon.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
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Speaker 7 (36:47):
According to the stead Yes, okay, thank.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
You for choosing men. I can roll with that. That's
fine with me.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
I was going to have to double check with Mo.
But yeah, you both show. You both show up here.
You just you show together.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I'm fine with that. I think we should do that
every day, but it's not my call. I'd love to
co host with Mo.

Speaker 7 (37:16):
Well, you're a busy man bearcat journal, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
But then, like you know that one if one of
us needs a day, then the other one's here, like
they do it with Sincy three sixty. That's a two
man show.

Speaker 7 (37:30):
I don't know how MO would take to the music though, Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Would be rough. It would be his show, so we'd
probably have to you know, acquiesce and then just do
our thing on the day he's not here. Days he's
not here, it means every June and July. Yeah, load
management June and July. I am you know, I'm going

(37:54):
to a concert June fourth, Terren where Saint Louis k
Dot Sizza, damn you. It's gonna be a good time.
I'm excited. It should be fun. And then going to

(38:15):
Florida the end of the month. So I don't know
how much of June I'm gonna be able to cover.
We'll make it work, though a lot. Going on Acrosstown
Shootout December fifth, a Friday, I think it could end
up being interesting. That is generally that is college football

(38:41):
Conference Championship weekend, because it's at Xavier, It'll be on Fox.
It'll be a Fox property, so Fox regular Fox on
that Friday night has generally had the Mountain West Conference
Championship game on Friday night on Fox. That's gonna be

(39:03):
a West Coast game, probably start at nine o'clock, let's
say nine thirty. That would mean there is a window
seven to nine on Fox, where if you could get
the Crosstown shootout on a Friday night on Fox, and
then you get the rest of that weekend, don't have

(39:24):
to worry about anything. On Saturday, you can hang out
and watch college football all day, watch UC playing the
Big twelve Championship game, something along those lines, and then
Sunday you get the NFL. That would be awesome. If
it's on FS one, whatever, it's a big enough network,
it's fine. I don't think you need to do it
on that week because it's generally been the following week.

(39:48):
It's generally been the week after college football conference championship week.
So if you're gonna move it to college football championship week,
let's put it on. Let's put on Fox. Put on
the big network after being on ESPN Plus last year.
Let's let's get this thing back up, get it back
in the public eye. Thank you, biggies. Well, we don't

(40:10):
know yet, though I'm hypothetically saying, this is what I
would like to see. Is the game on Fox either way?
No ESPN Plus this year? Yeah, I Terarren, I love
ESPN Plus. I'm not gonna lie, but you can afford it,
you right, You're yeah, I'll give you my log in,

(40:30):
mainly because like on weekend games or on weekday like
nine o'clock tip offs, you don't have to wait for
the previous game to end. There's nothing worse than missing,
you know, the first two TV timeouts because you're watching
a game you have no interest in finish. I hate
that drives me nuts. That's the one thing, the one

(40:54):
redeeming quality I like about ESPN Plus is your game
starts on time every time. But the leaks are all
over the place. On the schedule release Tony Lance McAllister
six o'clock, right after I'm done with the schedule release show,
and then Austin Elmore at nine. What leaks do we

(41:17):
know so far? Terran, We've we've seen rumors of Cincinnati Cleveland,
Cincinnati at Cleveland in week one. I saw you retweet
a rumor of Cincinnati at Minnesota in week three. Yep,
we don't have we haven't seen any other ones, have
we h Yeah?

Speaker 13 (41:36):
Not Bengals related. No, Yeah, that's what I was looking
for me personally, Like I stand, I probably know much
have our darnch schedule who overseas game? The Christmas game?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I mean, if we're gonna do the schedule release. You
gotta be a little tighter about letting these out because
there's leaks everywhere. And you know why there's leaks everywhere, tarn,
because these teams make these elaborate productions for the schedule
release right right, so everybody knows it's already out there.

(42:13):
You have too many people. You don't keep secrets by
telling a bunch of people. See antithesis of how you
keep a secret. Red's in action tonight, TJ friedel Bone Brews.
They are gonna get a bat in his hand and

(42:35):
see how he feels he is not in the lineup,
Gavin Lux leading off as Santiago Espinol batting second, De
la Cruz third, Austin Hayes Ford, Spencer Steer, fifth, Trevino sixth,
Benson seventh, McLain eighth and rees Hin's ninth, luxon left,
espinal third, Dal La Cruz short, Hayes dh Steer it first, Trevino,

(42:58):
the catcher, Benson and center, McLean at second and Hines
and right your starting pitcher, Nick Ladolo. Let's get back
to uh Let's get back to Pete Rose and the
festivities tonight. I think obviously great for Cincinnati to create

(43:28):
this night. Pete Rose meant a lot to a lot
of people in this city for most of his life,
Eskinny mentioned, came up in sixty three, was his first
year in Major League Baseball, played forever, played into the eighties,

(43:48):
was a player, manager for a little bit, then was
the Reds manager. Was unfortunate back then because I think
they finished second five years in a row with Pete's manager.
In today's day and age, they would have been a
wildcard team. They'd have been in the playoffs, but they
just couldn't get over the hump. And then Pete leaves
and the ninety team goes on to win the World

(44:10):
Series under Loopanela. But you know, you're talking twenty five
years that Pete was part of the fabric of this town.
Pete was part of the identity that Cincinnati embraced. He

(44:34):
was part of the core of the city of Cincinnati
because he was on a generational some still say maybe
the best baseball team ever, the seventy five to seventy
six Cincinnati Reds, and Pete was the heart and soul.

(44:54):
He wasn't the best player, but he was the heart
and soul. He was someone this town is a tough
nut to crack. This town never loved Joey Vado. I
think a majority of the town came around ultimately at
the end, but Joey was seen as kind of aloof

(45:19):
what wasn't seen as quote unquote one of us. And
that's in large part because of that standard Pete set.
So tonight is about the city and the love they

(45:39):
had Taren, would you disagree with me if I said
Pete Rose inside the two seventy five loop is the
biggest sports figure in the history of Cincinnati sports. Maybe
not to the outside world, but to the inside segment.

Speaker 7 (46:03):
Oh no, that's about actress back a.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, especially for people forty and up, you know, maybe
the you know, people in their thirties and twenties, like
they've heard a lot about Pete Rose, but they never
they never really their dads loved Pete Rose, but they
didn't get to really experience it, and I only did

(46:26):
for a small segment of time as a player and manager.
And then obviously he was banned from the game. But
tonight is for the city. This news coming out yesterday
that Pete is no longer on the Lifetime Banned list.

(46:48):
I think it's for Pete's family more so than it
is for those fans, because I think the fans are
still angry at Major League Baseball. I think that anger
is misguided, but I get it. Major League Baseball vilified

(47:09):
their hero, made their hero the bad guy, made the guy,
like Skinny said in the Last Hour, grew up trying
to switch hit in the crouch batting stance and sprinting
to first base on a walk like that is how
an entire generation grew up with their view of Pete

(47:33):
Rose and his Cincinnati Reds teams and his connection to
the city. Ultimately, I do think he'll get into the
Hall of Fame. I think that will be for his family,
but also more those fans finally getting to see what

(48:00):
they have longed for for a long time. Nuts Pete
being enshrined in Cooperstown. He's not going to be here
to see it. I get the emotion and the anger
and the passion about that, but that's not what tonight

(48:21):
is about. Tonight is about a city that fully embraced
one of its native sons who went on to greatness,
multiple World Series wins, hit king longevity, did things in

(48:51):
the sport that no one had ever accomplished to that
point or since that point, because of his approach, because
of his mentality, because of who he was and what
made him tick. That's what's being celebrated tonight, and I

(49:13):
kind of wish that. The Hall of Fame stuff and
the reinstatement stuff. I get why they did it when
they did it, but I wish tonight was more about
the original purpose of a town. And it's war torn

(49:36):
A bad phrasing, I guess, I don't know exactly how
to describe it, but it's less than perfect hero idol
and his recognition for what he meant to the city,
for what he meant to the people of Cincinnati. That's

(50:01):
what tonight is about to me. The Hall of Fame stuff,
the reinstatement stuff, you had to have excuse me, you
had to have the reinstatement before you could put him
in the Hall of Fame. I get the uh, the process,
But tonight it's supposed to be about Pete Rose. Just

(50:25):
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Speaker 5 (51:24):
What time.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
My thinking?

Speaker 7 (51:30):
I had a bushy in the little Bogga.

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Speaker 7 (51:43):
Man, what's up?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Man?

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Hey?

Speaker 14 (51:46):
I got a couple couple things. One I think I'd
love to hear your irony thing with Major League Baseball
with multiple scandals a cup decades.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Of course, this Brandon, you're cutting out Brandon's fun.

Speaker 14 (52:02):
Those fans for they didn't refund those fans for those years.
And let's talk about betting. MLB is doing nothing but
getting rich of all all these people's betting habits. So
if they want to be high and mighty and be
a quote League of Principle, why don't they start a
fund in Pete's name and help people with gambling addictions?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I call bs on Brandon. Do you know why baseball
went the route that they did on gambling? I mean,
either way, why, why why did they do it? I
mean they had no choice.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
It was going to happen no matter what.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
No, Why why was the punishment lifetime banishment from baseball?
Why was that implemented?

Speaker 5 (52:47):
I assumed it was just the uh they had a
grudge with Pete.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
No, the World Series was compromised the Chicago White Sox
through the World Series and nineteen nineteen the Black Sox scandal.
Baseball reacted to that and said, if you do this,
if there is gambling involved in baseball, we can't have
another champion. We can't have something like this ever happened again.

(53:16):
That's why the penalty was lifetime banishment. Pete knew that
either way.

Speaker 14 (53:23):
Pete knew that either way, either way I think it's
it's garbage, and I think they're talking out of both
sides of their mouths, and they want to act like
there's some sort of integrity.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I call bs Okay, thanks Brandon, Paul, what's going on?

Speaker 7 (53:38):
How are you go?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I'm good.

Speaker 10 (53:42):
My biggest thing is is you look at the ballplayer
versus the band on a lot of different athletes that
played baseball.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Bab sure for one, sure, and a lot of people.

Speaker 10 (53:55):
I think that's so, and I totally agree with you.
I actually got to speak with Arvin Killerbrew in nineteen
ninety nine. This is one of the greatest moments of
my life. I actually got to go to his house
and speak with him. And one of my questions was,
this was in nineteen ninety nine. Does Deep Rose belong
in the Hall of Fame? He said no, he said,
when you signed that first contract, it states in that

(54:19):
contract that you will want make any bedding or any
wagers on baseball period or any sporting events, and if.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
You do, you will be banned for life.

Speaker 10 (54:29):
You will be banned for life. Now, really quick, do
you find the irony in it that the Reds are
playing the White Sox on people?

Speaker 6 (54:37):
That night?

Speaker 10 (54:41):
The nineteen nineteen Black Sox.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
And get reinstated and get read and stated.

Speaker 10 (54:47):
And also Kennesa Landis that did all of that nineteen nineteen.

Speaker 9 (54:52):
Was born in No Double Hut.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah he's local.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
Yeah right, so yo.

Speaker 10 (54:57):
I mean you couldn't have planned this any better. I
mean major League baseball kind of play. I don't know.
I don't think they purposely.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Played, but it like they did. Yeah, it sure feels
like they did appreciate it. Paul cool story, thank you,
thank you. Oh more Bob and bowling Green. Bob was up.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Hey, uh, Chad, everybody stole my thunder man. I was
gonna I was gonna talk about the fact that they're
playing the White Soup.

Speaker 7 (55:24):
Yeah nights.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
How quite iron.

Speaker 7 (55:29):
Like that?

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Yeah for sure. Hey, uh, while I got you down here,
Chad has uh as you see, signed anybody else since the.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
The big senter that brought in from uh well, they
signed chom uh moved off Chalm from u c F
and uh Jalen Celestine on the same day. Essentially Salestine
played at Baylor, uh right, you know, started his career
at Cal forty three point shooter. They have not added

(56:05):
anybody else yet. I do think that they will be it.

Speaker 9 (56:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
There's there's one more guy that are in on in
the transfer portal as it currently stands h from Florida
Atlantic because name is Bob A. Miller.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
I've seen the highlights on that guy and then incredible.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
And then there's a couple of international guys that the
that they're tracking. You know, they're looking either like a
three or a four or kind of a hybrid guy
that that can that can help you at either spot. So, uh,
they're not done yet. I do think they'll add at
least one and potentially two more guys. Uh, but we're
not quite Uh, we're not quite to that point yet.

(56:47):
And you know, now that the portal's closed, nobody else
is going in.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I think you'd like to have something done by you know,
the start of June, when uh summer workouts begin. But
if it goes a little bit longer than that, it's
not a huge deal with so much of your roster
already in place.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
Now, Hey, Chad Mullow, thing kind of interesting about and
I can't give you the exact year, but it's been
oh gosh, probably at least twenty five years, maybe even
a little longer than that. Dan Patrick spoke at a
gathering in Nashville at the what's now Nissan Stadium, and

(57:29):
he took questions after he was finished, and I asked
him about Pete Rose, and just to show you, I
guess how everybody was thinking. This is what happened. I
asked him about Pete in the Hall of Fame, and
he said he'll get in posthumously, and I thought, wow,

(57:50):
you know, some almost twenty five thirty years later, exactly
what he said came to pass.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
So yeah, Bob, I think it's what we talked about earlier.
Like Pete didn't do anything to help himself. He didn't cooperate,
he didn't do anything. He didn't throw himself at the
mercy of the court. He stood defiantly in the middle
of the court and claimed his innocence when Major League
Baseball knew he was guilty. And that is not going

(58:18):
to ingratiate yourself to people that are you know, ultimately
that have the gabble.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
And whoever whoever was giving peace advice was a terrible job.
Oh my gosh, terrible job.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yeah, all right, sure appreciate the Callbob, thank you. Just
take a break place note and just baseball up next
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But it's the quick coming around the south throve.

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(01:00:00):
fifteen thirty. Chand Brenda And for my let's keep the
Reds topic conversation moving along. We go out now to
my good friend Clay Snowden. Just baseball, Clay, How was
that for an intro well outcast for you?

Speaker 9 (01:00:20):
And I don't know I just don't know if there's
gonna be much happiness today after what's going on the
red chat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I mean, if Outcast doesn't bring you happiness, Clay, I
don't know what to tell you, buddy.

Speaker 9 (01:00:33):
I mean, it's dark, dark day here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
What in the sam heck is going on with this team? Offensively,
it is, It's miserable. It's not even hard to watch.
It's almost impossible to watch.

Speaker 9 (01:00:49):
Yeah, I think part of it is the pitch has
been so good for the most parts, so now it's
step up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Hey, Clay, Hey, Clay.

Speaker 9 (01:01:00):
The first.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
You are very choppy. Can you hang up and call
that number right back? Yes, okay, thank you, hang up
the car right back. I don't know what that was
our phones.

Speaker 13 (01:01:12):
It seems like when we called the guests phones chopping,
but when they call us five.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Okay, let's try it again, Clay, are you there?

Speaker 9 (01:01:22):
I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
That is much better, I think it. Terrence said, it's
on our end. It's not your fault, it's our it's
our issue.

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
I thought.

Speaker 9 (01:01:28):
I thought it was choppy too. I was just trying
to push through.

Speaker 10 (01:01:31):
I couldn't even really hear the song.

Speaker 9 (01:01:33):
I was just trying to play along here.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
And winging it.

Speaker 9 (01:01:36):
But I'm glad to know that it wasn't just me.
But yeah, this this, this pitching has been good enough
for a good team, and the office is just lagging behind.
And that's the most frustrating part is it's not even
an enjoyable watch. It's different if you're scoring a bunch
of runs and losing, But when you're getting good pitching

(01:01:57):
and every single time it's out after out after out,
when the offense comes, it's just hard to keep up with.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
What is the desired identity of this offense. I was
talking to Richard Skinner about it earlier and he said,
when constructed, they planned on Cees being a power hitter
and Marte being a power hitter, and you know, Steer
and McLain and Ellie, you know, not maybe not being
forty plus home run guys, be twenty five thirty home

(01:02:25):
run guys. And I just look at it. There's there's
no power, there's no on base, there's no speed. Like
once a week they have an explosion and then the
rest of the week, like you, I'd rather run my
head through a wall.

Speaker 9 (01:02:41):
There's really no identity, all right, And it's it's pretty ridiculous.
To play in great American ballpark, and so often you
just don't have power hitters. They may profile as power hitters,
you may convince yourself they are, but at the end
of the year, when you run down that home run column,
you're left underwhelmed. And at some point it's either got
to be with development coming up through the miners or

(01:03:05):
it's got to be with the person building the rosters,
because at the end of the day, there's just simply
not enough talent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
That's ultimately the thing. And the crazy part is it
can't be that hard if you consider we could see
this coming going through the offseason. We could see they
didn't do enough at the corners, either infield or outfield.
They they didn't really do enough to address the depth.
They are relying heavily on guys that that you know,

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haven't proven it long term. Who was going to be
the leader in the clubhouse, Like, who was going to
get these guys get on these guys when they made
a mistake in the field or did something stupid running
the bases. And we were worried about that coming into
the season. We're worried about that at the quarter pole
because nothing has done anything to change our minds exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:03:59):
And that's the thing, you know, two years ago we're
talking about the trades they made, these prospects, they're all
going to be great, they're starting to come up, the
corps coming together, and that core, at least to me
so far, has just fallen flat.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:04:14):
I don't think that they're downright bad players. I don't
think they're unplayable. They just aren't as many quote unquote
stars or they're not on the trajectory that we had expected.
And of course they're still young. But every day we
say that they get a little bit older and a
little bit closer to becoming free agents, and the picture
gets clearer and clearer that the team that nickral is

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constructing is simply not good enough. And what happens after
you fire a head coach, Chad, who's the next person
in line? The next excuse? Ownership will always use GM.
And I think that he might be closer to the
chopping blog than I would have thought.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
And it's unfortunate because he did make a couple decent
moves this past offseason.

Speaker 9 (01:05:01):
I think he's I think he's a good GM. But
you know how sports are, Yeah, it rarely is about performance.
Of the GM or coach. It's about ownership, not doing
enough in ownership, needing scapegoats. And after you've used the
quote unquote head coach or manager in this situation, then
the next scapegoat is always the general manager. Sometimes it's

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a year, sometimes it's two. But right or wrong, that's
how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
It always stuff like this always takes me back to
an old Mick cronanism from back in the mc cronan
days when he was here. He said, every October they
tie you to the tracks, and you better get off
the tracks by April because the train's coming. Nick Nick
Nick carals tied to the tracks right now, and he

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ain't doing a real good job getting untied.

Speaker 9 (01:05:57):
No, and you know who's to blame. You know, people
want to blame a hitting coach or this or that.
I just think there's so little information that we have
day to day evidence we see with our eyes of
what the hitting coach is doing or working with to
fully blame him. Chris Fllake of the hitting coach has
said some things that I disagree with in terms of philosophy,

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and he deserves some blame. But at the end of
the day, the guy holding the baseball bat. Those guys
have to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Be better, I agree, but some of it has to
be like these guys. Not many of these Some of
them were, but not many of these guys were super
high strikeout guys coming here like that, that wasn't Their
reputation was just man, this guy. This guy's got a
hole in his bat, And quite a few of them
now look like they've got a damn hole in their bag.

Speaker 9 (01:06:48):
And I think a lot of it has to do with,
you know, this philosophy of we want to hit the
ball the other way, put the ball in play like that.
That sounds good in theory. The problem is everyone throws
one hundred miles an hour. Yeah, and as a right
handed hitter, if you're trying to hit the ball the
other way, you're going to get jammed on ninety seven
through ninety nine, and you're not hitting the ball the

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other way with any type of authority or productivity. It's
one of those things that sounds so good in theory
and it's cool when it works, but in practice, which
is how hard these pitchers are throwing now, it's a
lot harder to be productive with this type of mentality.
At least that's my own opinion on it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Are they going to waste what looks like an outstanding
pitching staff because I don't understand why they are so
good at drafting and developing and bringing up pitching and
equally as bad at doing the same for offense.

Speaker 9 (01:07:50):
Yeah, and you see this in organizations. I mean, you
can go certain in the White Sox, which just happens
we're playing them and loss to them, But they are
terrible at developing hitters. And maybe the Reds are in
that position, and maybe it's an organizational thing that needs
to start at the very bottom and be rebuilt. And
of course, you know, the word rebuild gives everyone a

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little jump scare there. But maybe it's just a whole
new organizational philosophy. I don't know. We don't have enough
information about what is said or tossed to these hitters
coming up, but overall it's been underwhelming. The good news
is we're twenty five percent of the way.

Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
They're right.

Speaker 9 (01:08:34):
There's a possibility they can turn around. I'm not projecting that,
I'm not saying that, but it's still there. Last year,
the Detroit Tigers had a point zero or excuse me,
a zero point two percent chance of making the playoffs,
traded at the deadline to rebuild, and boom, they made
the playoffs. All I'm saying is it's possible, but we

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need to see difference from day in and day out,
not just day in, day out of year to year.
It feels like we're watching the same Reds team year
after year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Yeah, it's the same where we are repeatedly every April,
we put in the same like TV series season one,
and we just watch it over again expecting something different
to happen, and we watch it for formal. You know,
it's we just got past Mother's Day and it already
feels like what do we do?

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
What what are we doing?

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
I'm just frustrated. I guess it's a good way to
put it. Clay, I know you are too. What's the
deal with the bullpen? Is it just they're being put
in too many high leverage situations because the bats can't
do any damn thing?

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:09:41):
I think bullpens always get highlighted when your team relies
on so few runs win. If they were winning games
five to nine, we wouldn't talk about the bullpen, right,
you know what I mean? Like, so when they're winning
all these or excuse me. Losing these games by one run,
no runs. It's a lot of pressure on that bullton

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and to down going out after you've thrown thirty pitches.
You know, this is just not a great strategy to me.
But I will say Luis May looks looks legit. He's
a guy who I've I've enjoyed watching the Miners the
past few years, and Tony Santios had some moments like
I don't think it's as awful or anything as it

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could be. And I do think that there's enough interesting
arms within the organization and maybe some former starters moving
to the bullten in the minor, somebody like a Connor
Phillips or something that I don't have, like too too
much overall concern. And at the end of the day,
the bullten should be the last thing you're worried about

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if you can't score runs, right Like, if you can't
score runs, who cares about the bullten?

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Your starter gives up one run and you're doomed. Like
the starter's got a one sixty four era and can't
win a game. Andrew Abbott's been incredible and can't win
a game.

Speaker 9 (01:11:00):
I feel like we have a lot of the same conversations,
and that says all we need to know about since
he whoats over the past few years.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
I should not be able to We should not we're
in the media. We should not be able to look
at this stuff in the summer and go, here's where
it's going to go wrong. And then when the you know,
we're not even to June yet and we're already right, Like,
I hate that that it shouldn't be that difficult.

Speaker 9 (01:11:27):
It shouldn't. It shouldn't. And you know, I don't know
what is going on with Tito and what his plans
are long term, but obviously he was here with this
idea of winning now, and I would imagine this has
not gone anything close to how he imagined it. And
you know what happens if in a year, two years,
three years, whatever. I don't know, they have a new

(01:11:48):
man manager and he wants to change everything again and
change all these different philosophies. And that was always the
risk with hiring t As much as I love the guy,
there's always this risk. You're changing, you're bringing a new code, coaches,
you're bringing in new philosophies, and players have to learn
something new. And I think that's what we're seeing right
now with some of these players who are just thinking
too much at the plate and not just playing baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Uh, got about a minute left before I let you go.
The mistakes, the base running mistakes, the defense mistakes, the
defensive mistakes. Like everybody wanted to blame that on David Bell.
It clearly wasn't David Bell. It's just that's all broken, Like,
how does that not te bet?

Speaker 9 (01:12:29):
There's literally no excuse if me who quit playing baseball
at you know, right after t ball more or less
understood not to run home or like Spencer Steer last night,
halfway home, then decide that you either go all the
way home and just see if they can make the play,
or you don't go at all. Like I's also one

(01:12:49):
trying to blame Jay our house. That's where we're at,
where we're just trying to blame whoever. But at the
end of the day, it's basic baseball. It's fundamentals. It's
all about being in the right head space and knowing
the situation. And they just keep coming up short two
outs of third base last night. Inexcuseable.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Damn it, Clay, where can they find you?

Speaker 9 (01:13:08):
I'm gonna put on some Gang Star. Chad, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Where can they find you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
At?

Speaker 9 (01:13:16):
Play Underscore snow Just Baseball dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Appreciate your brother. Thanks, we'll talk soon.

Speaker 9 (01:13:21):
All right, I have a good one.

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that to talk about. Trey Hendrickson still to talk about plenty.
I know that that touched a nerve in the city
yesterday as it felt very performative. It did not feel
uh necessary. Maybe Trey Hendrickson feels disrespected. I don't think

(01:15:30):
he's been disrespected. He felt disrespected because his coach told
him need j ot as. You're not gonna show up,
you're gonna get fined. If you're gonna dig in, you'd
better be ready to eat those fines. That's how this works.
You want leverage, okay, you go. You gotta be ready

(01:15:53):
to do what it takes to get that leverage. You're
gonna be upset that your coach expects you're under contract, tray,
if you don't like that contract, that's understandable. The market exploded.
You feel like you should be compensated uh more for
your your services. All right, but you're still under contract.

(01:16:15):
You're you're not a free agent. If you don't want
to show up to something that's mandatory, be ready to
eat the fine. That doesn't sound like a lot of conviction.
If that's what you're upset about. Guess what. You don't

(01:16:37):
want to show up to camp under contract, you're gonna
get fined there too. You don't want to play the
whole season, You're gonna sit out unless you get a
new contract. Boy, you better be able to eat some hardship.
You can't do this halfway. You're gonna hold their feet

(01:16:58):
to the fire and you're going to insist that they
pay you and you're going to do the things necessary
to exercise your leverage or you're not. Why should the
Bengals allow you off the hook? They feel they've offered

(01:17:23):
you what they value you at. If you disagree, okay,
that's you can do that. It's like the it's it's
very similar to the free speech crowd. I can say
whatever I want. I've got free speech. Yes that is.
That is a fact. But there are also consequences when

(01:17:47):
you exercise that free speech. Free speech is not without consequence.
You're you're allowed to say whatever you want. Breaching your
contract is not without consequence. If you want to breach
your contract, if you wanted to do things that are
against what you have agreed to, you can do that.

(01:18:10):
You can't do it and be surprised that there are
consequences to those actions. As it stands, he may not
like that he's under contract with the Bengals for one
more season, but you know what he did, with a
big smile, he signed that contract. I know, no printed

(01:18:34):
out of copy yesterday of Trey Hendrickson signing that contract,
big smile on his face, happy to do it. If
you want to be unhappy, that's fine, no problem with that.
But that contract you signed has clauses, has repercussions if

(01:18:58):
you decide that you no longer want to honor said contract.
That's the reality of the situation for Trey Hendrickson. Do
I agree that the Bengals made Zach text him and

(01:19:19):
be the one to let him know that he was
going to be held accountable. No, that's not the head
coach's job. That's the front office's job. The head coach
didn't have any Did they let Zach in the room
when they were doing the contract negotiations. I don't believe
that's how contract negotiations go. Less the head coach is
also the GM. Oh wait, the Bengals don't have a GM.

(01:19:40):
But you get my point. But I don't think he
has anything to be upset about. That's your name on
the paper, sir. Those are the terms you agreed to.
Like I said at the beginning of the show, this
is not a rookie deal. This is not Trey Hendrickson's

(01:20:03):
first contract after the draft and that original rookie deal
that you're slotted. And yeah, you can negotiate that things
about that contract, but that contract is what it is.
For pretty much everybody, it's that second contract and for
Trey the extension after that, that third contract. Do I

(01:20:30):
think the Bengals are handling this perfectly. No, because there's
very little that I think the Bengals front office handles perfectly.
The results play that out. The number of guys that
have felt like the Bengals didn't do right by them,
play that out. I am not giving the Bengals a

(01:20:52):
pass on this at all, but I am saying, so
Trey has a deal, if he wants to go against
that deal in his attempt to restructure that deal, Okay,
that's fine, but understand if they want to find you

(01:21:16):
for not being in things that are mandatory, it as
well within their rights. Get out to the phones real
quick here, Mike, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
It's you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
I'm delightful. How about you?

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
Not so delightful? But uh got some funky ass today, so.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
I'm sorry to hear that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
Yeah, I'm not good. Talk about losing my legs, so
right now, so.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
I'll be thinking of you, brother.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
Thanks. So, Trey Henderson, I don't really give a crap
whether he stays leave, you know what I mean? I
don't really give a crap.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
I mean, I just know I think the guy's getting
bad advice first and foremost, like whoever is agent is
is not doing him any favors.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
I don't care what the what is? What cool?

Speaker 6 (01:22:15):
Have you had to eat?

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
Something that's really important? That's more important than that guy contract,
which is none of my business. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
I've been on a little Indian kick lately.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
You know, I like I like a good I like
a good garlic. Non been doing some chicken, vindaloos, some
butter chicken, a little little tiki massala from time to time.
So uh that that's been the uh the extent of it, uh,
not a whole you know, pretty basic.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
Once I get started on Indian sometimes I'll go a
few months and not have anything.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
I have some and you have to have it.

Speaker 7 (01:22:50):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
I'll drive thirty miles to get the best whatever, uh
that's available that I have, especially that I'm somewhere before.
But you know, one thing I did want to mention
about these pro franchises, especially in football. You know, people
talk about, well, the Bengals have thirty million dollars, they

(01:23:13):
are thirty million dollars under the cap. But what's interesting
to me about that is, so what that doesn't mean
they have to spend any of it. There's a basic premise,
right in capitalism or Americana, to run in a business
where the owner gets to decide exactly what his profit
margin is going to be, and he may be flexible,

(01:23:35):
but he may be rigid. And that's pretty basic. Whether
it's a Mama Pop store or some big football franchise.
Just because they have so much money under the cap
doesn't mean just because the fans think they could spend it.
It's not their money. So if they don't, if they're

(01:23:56):
committed to not spending all of it or.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Part of it the way it comes, I agree. But
but you're then more than open for criticism if your
season doesn't go how people expect it to go, and
it goes.

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
Still, if they're still going to show up, then you
just continue to do it, which is what happens in
certain cities like here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Well, I mean, the reason that Marvin's gone and Zach
Taylor is here is because people did stop showing up,
like they finally said enough is enough, I'm not coming anymore.
I mean, it happened.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
So they pushed it for a while until it wouldn't
work anymore. Now they'll push it again.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Until it doesn't work anymore. The problem now is you
actually have an open window because you have one of
the three best quarterbacks in the sport and a guy
that is going to put you at least in a
position to be a playoff contender as long as he's
on the field. And now it's up to the front

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office to take that salary cap, spend it wisely, and
put a team around Joe that takes you from a
team that is a playoff you know, a regular in
the playoff conversation, to a team that is a regular
in the super Bowl conversation. And they were headed that way.

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And then the last two seasons have gone off the rails.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
So I can see Joe's getting involved with tea for
a couple of weeks. You know, obviously it makes time
a better offensive team. Sure, it's the huge Joe because
his numbers should get better because he's on the field.
If he's on the field as much as he needs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
To be on the field, that's a part of t Higgins. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
Yeah, So Joe did a nice thing there. But to
think that Joe can go in end up. He may
never do this in the world, but I've heard this conjecture. Well, Joe,
Mike go and and say hey, Kate, honey, Uh, this
guy's real important to our defense, and that's important to
our success. And I really think that that's what you

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should do, or I'm not gonna be too happy with you.
I mean, there's a limit. Joe Burrow's not God. He's
not going to come in there and dictate policy on
players ad nausea. He's just not gonna They're not gonna
do that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Joe's a very smart guy, and he knew the button
he could push was T because they were always going
to extend Jamar. Yeah, Jamar was always gonna happen like
that's that wasn't even part of the conversation. They were
gonna do whatever it took to get Jamar done. T.
They were gonna let walk. I mean, we all knew

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that a year ago. Everybody knew at the end of
the last season, the odds were ninety five percent. That
was That was it for Tea. What saved him? Joe said,
T stays, Okay, so he played his trump card? Does
he want? Does he what? What's the did he have

(01:27:02):
the ace and and now he's got the ten you
know what I mean, the chance he's got the ace
and the king. That's not how the Bengals typically negotiate.
We all know that, Right, what else you got?

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
I wanted to jump on the Pete thing for a second.
The only thing, the only I mean, he broke that rule.
So it's pretty categorical. Yeah, unfortunately, but that's I'm not
really concerned about that. What I'm concerned about is how
the MLB has propped it off him immeasurably over all
these years. You ever been to coopers Down, I have not.

(01:27:42):
It's a freaking cathedral to Pete Rose in one section
of the Cooperstown Hall of Fame, not surprising. Yeah, And
so the MLB, and it comes about twenty twenty five
bucks to pop to get into that joint. So you know,
there's there's some hypocrisy involved on this thing from the
MLB side of it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Sure, I've never disputed that, like I but but and
I get that being a bother. But you know, Pete
is part of baseball history and the the Baseball Hall
of Fame, you know the last word that, the Baseball
Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame, and museum museum. So

(01:28:25):
Pete is part of the history of baseball. He's an
integral part of the history of baseball. But but that
doesn't mean he gets to be enshrined.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
Yeah, I know, that's it's it's kind of like splitting here,
it is. It's kind of like splitting hairs. And they
did it to their benefits.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Absolutely, That's how business works, baby.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
Yeah. Sometimes yeah, it depends which end you're on. You're on,
how's your family?

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Don't tell doing good doing good. Little One says she's
not so little anymore. She's too months from getting her
license or attempts at least Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
From missing California is so bad, Chad, I can't even
tell you, but I'm planning to be back here, close
to the family and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
But I get it. I miss California. I miss California
every day, Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
All right, brother, I'll let you go. Thanks for talking
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:20):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Hope you get some better news tomorrow. Thanks for calling in, brother.
I'll be back on Friday. We'll talk then.

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
Can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Thanks, All right, there you go. All right, just take
a break. Plenty more to get to. Phone lines are open.
You want to talk, Trey, you want to talk Pete.
You want to bang your head against the wall talking
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pretty good, all things considered. Just one more data this week,
one more day this and I'll get a chance to
give it a little rest. Tomorrow We'll have we'll have
a couple uh you know, quick shows this week. A
lot going on in college sports, uh to talk about,
but uh nothing nothing too long. And then three more

(01:31:22):
hours on Friday and I'm done. But twelve hours yesterday.
I thought Wednesday's going to be a battle. But hanging
in there. Pretty good Reds and White Sox. Pete Rose
night tonight. How about this game? First pitch seven fourteen
to honor Pete nic Lodolo on the mound three and three,

(01:31:43):
three twenty three ERA against Davis Martin, who's won and four.
He has a four oh one ERA and uh. Unfortunately,
the Reds have made some guys like Davis Martin look
like potential cy Young candidates at times this season. I
guess the good news is they didn't a bunch of
runs yesterday, so it's always possible they score a bunch
of runs today when they do have their once a

(01:32:06):
week outburst the next day. Bet the under every time. Now,
I'm not a gambler, tarn ironic on Pete Rose Day.
I guess I think everyone should place a waiter and
on on a Pete. Yeah, that's that should be. Uh,
that should be mandatory. Line up for the Reds today,

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Gavin lux In left leading off, Santigo Espinal at third, batting, second,
Elie de la Cruz at short batting third, Austin Hayes
the DH at clean up, Spencer Steer at first, batting fifth,
Trevino behind the dish batting six, Benson in center batting, seventh,
McLain back down in that eight hole, at second and

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at second base, and then re signs in right field
batting ninth. Lodolo on the bump looking for win number four.
I just want, I just want to be able to
enjoy following this team, and it's almost impossible. It's almost impossible.

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Right now. Over a quarter of the time, two runs
are fewer, they don't put the ball in play. The
strikeout numbers are at times laughable fifteen sixteen, seventeen, eighteen

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strikeouts a game. Regularly it's twenty seven outs, nine innings
of opportunity. They're sending three guys to the plate far
too often, no momentum, no rally, and when they do

(01:34:02):
get on base, they run themselves out of it. Or
they'll take a great pitching performance and turn it upside
down by missing a cutoff man or somebody not communicating,
an infielder going out, an outfielder coming in, the infielder
not giving way to the outfielder. Little league stuff, little

(01:34:24):
league stuff, stuff that was supposed to be fixed when
you brought in Terry Francona, He'll get these guys to
do it, He'll get them better. Well, we're at the
quarter pole. They haven't gotten better. It's frustrating as a fan.

(01:34:49):
There's literally nothing worse than watching your favorite professional team
play like amateurs. That's how the Reds are playing so
far in twenty twenty five. Like amateurs. Their approach, the
starting pitching, aside the approach in the field, at the plate,

(01:35:18):
they're single a managers that would pull their hair out
if this is what was happening in front of them
on a night to night basis. Getting picked off, getting
thrown out, taking a base that you had no business taking,
trying to steal third with a lefty in the box

(01:35:38):
and a wide open angle, one out, eighth, inning down,
a run, thrown out at third, stealing but better have
been Elie day light cruise. Oh it wasn't. What are
we doing? It makes you not want to watch, It

(01:36:00):
makes you not want to follow.

Speaker 8 (01:36:03):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
That's the opposite of what Where's the window is supposed
to be open? Right now? Twenty twenty five? Time to
start playing for championships. They are eleventh in the National
League fifteen teams in the National League right now the
Reds are eleventh. What the hell's the fun in that? Fund?

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Sweat tripping. Should play Freaks of the Industry. Yeah, you
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the underlay, that's all. That's it. Then we couldn't play
anything else there. There's a trend on TikTok that's it's

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all people my age playing like hip hop for their
for their teenage kids. And it's so funny watching the
kids reaction looking at their parents, like you listen to this,
and the parents are like, yeah, when I would your
age if not younger, Yeah, of course of course. The

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one that like, I haven't seen anybody do Freaks of
the Industry yet, I'm waiting for somebody to play Freaks
of the Industry for their kid to get. The kid's
reaction sounds like you and Kelsey, I'm not that's not me.
I didn't say me as somebody. Uh Win totals in
college football over unders are out from circa sports. You

(01:39:25):
know what's crazy about the Big Twelve tearan.

Speaker 6 (01:39:29):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
In the SEC, Alabama and Georgia and Texas are all
projected at nine and a half way or the betting
line is at nine and a half wins Mississippi State
three and a half. At the bottom of that conference
Big ten, Ohio State and Oregon projected at ten and
a half or set at ten and a half wins

(01:39:53):
Purdue at three seven and a half is the difference there,
and in the ACC Notre Dame at ten, Clemson at
nine one and a half, Stanford at three seven games
separate there. In the Big Twelve, Arizona State, Kansas State,
and Texas Tech are projected at eight and a half wins.

(01:40:14):
Oklahoma State in West Virginia at five three and a
half games is the gap between first and sixteenth in
the Big Twelve. That's the difficulty of getting footing in
this league. Every game is a coin flip. Now, you know,

(01:40:36):
as the season plays out, a couple teams will be
better than expected, a couple teams will be worse than expected.
But the reality is in this league you're playing a
bunch a bunch of coin flip games. Nine games in
the conference six or seven of them are going to

(01:40:58):
be decided in the fourth quarter pretty much no matter
who you are. That is the challenge for Scott C.
Siderfield and the Cincinnati Bearcats. They have been dreadful his
first two seasons at winning those you know, put them

(01:41:19):
on the table and get your team across the finish
line for a win. They have not been able to
do it, especially in Big Twelve play. We would be
having such different conversations if even a couple of those
games go the way of the Bearcats. But they haven't,
and once again, you're gonna be up against it. You're

(01:41:43):
gonna be in a position where you have to win
if you're gonna get to seven eight wins. The Bearcats
are at six projected eleventh in the six team team
Big Twelve, as if win total projected win totals mean anything,

(01:42:03):
eleventh if you want to get to seven eight wins,
those coin flips can't keep coming up tails. You've got

(01:42:24):
the leadership, You've got veterans in place, you should have
enough talent to now compete in this league. I think
from what I've seen, I think the defense is going
to be pretty good next year. I really like Tyson Bite,
I like the way that the defense progressed through last

(01:42:45):
season into the offseason. I like how they looked in
the spring. I think the defense got a chance to
be pretty good. Can Brendan Soresby get the job done?
Four minutes left, one score game, Either go score a

(01:43:06):
touchdown to make it a two score game in your favor,
or if you're down to score, go score tie it,
take the lead, whatever the case may be. But this
team's gotta find a way in a conference with everybody
bunched so tight to win those coin flips, because if not, boy,

(01:43:33):
I mean having some uncomfortable conversations November and December about
what the future of the program is because they can't
get over the hump. I think this is a seven
to eight win team. I genuinely do. But if they

(01:43:54):
keep falling short, if they keep missing the key kick
or throwing the key interception, or muffing a punt or
you name it, a third down that you're supposed to
get off the field and somebody smacks the quarterback in
the head on accident as they run by, keeps the

(01:44:15):
drive alive for the other team. We've seen too much
of it good enough to be a seven or eight
win team on paper, but they don't play the games
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Got a drag.

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We got a brand new bag. But first I got
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Speaker 6 (01:45:52):
Check it out out.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Now you're trying to give me some egg, listen to
some Quick, I'd rather have a multiple quicker potion make me.
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't I wouldn't go
as far to say as like everything Quick is on
as a hit. But he does have like a great
sound that I agree with, Like when I hear like

(01:46:13):
that's one of those he's one of those. You know,
when DJ Quick is on the mic, you know, uh.
Cincinnati has made it official. Luke Piscoal, the special teams
coordinator for the Cincinnati Bearcats, one of the better special
teams coordinators in the country over the past four or

(01:46:34):
five seasons. That was one area the the thought process
for UC football was special teams by committee going into springball.
Talked to coach Ciderfield about it yesterday, asked him this
question about his new edition and said, you know, we

(01:46:54):
looked at it and said, hey, let's let's go see
if we got a chance to get a guy that's
really good like what we saw in the spring, Like
how we have things kind of divided up, but let's go.
Let's go find somebody to kind of head that operation
and be kind of the lynchpin of it. And look,
you gotta win. If you're Scott Ciderfield, you have to

(01:47:18):
have a good year. Five wins isn't gonna do it.
Six wins people still aren't gonna be real happy. I
don't think. I don't think getting to a bowl game
is enough. Seven wins. I think people will be They'll
tolerate it. I don't think they'll be thrilled per se,

(01:47:42):
but I think they'll be. Okay. That's a lot of wins.
And Cincinnati has lost at least one, probably two games
per season in the last two years because the special
teams wasn't good enough, because the punts were too short,

(01:48:03):
because a punt returner couldn't field a ball, or made
a really bad decision to try and field a ball,
miss field goals, and key opportunities to give you a
lead or tie a game late. So now they have
somebody in place that has run really productive quality special

(01:48:26):
teams units. The other thing before we go, Crosstown shootout
is set. According to John Rothstein December fifth, that's a
Friday night. It is the weekend of conference championship games
in college football. That part I don't love. I don't

(01:48:46):
love moving it off of that. Next weekend, when the
focus is college basketball, tends to be a huge college
basketball weekend would be the twelfth, thirteen, Saturday, the thirteenth.
But if you get Fox seven o'clock leading into the

(01:49:10):
Mountain West Championship game, I don't hate it. It's at
that gross gym in Norwood. I don't go to that
place anyway. We'll see if since Cincinnati's only well you know,
I don't go there, Terran Cincinnati's only won one since
it was built. That's the real that's the real truth

(01:49:35):
to that story.

Speaker 7 (01:49:37):
You ready spend a Friday night there in December.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
No, I'll be at my house. I don't go there.
I'm good. They don't like me there anyway I get
sucker punched or something. That's gonna do it. I'll see you.
We'll be here tomorrow. I'll be back Friday. The Molegger Show, ESPN,
fifteen thirty