5/16/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show w/ Chad Brendel

5/16/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show w/ Chad Brendel

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Here we go, Friday in the Queens City. Wonderful out
right now. Keep an eye out though supposed to uh
get a little hairy this evening. As always, thank you

(00:46):
for choosing me. Chad brindle in for mo Eggar today.
I think just a just a standard off day from
O right Tarn.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Maybe he's getting ready for Knicks game six to night.
He's got he's got the Reds.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm sure it's beneficial to him. Game time changed five
to ten first pitch because of the impending weather. So
Reds at five to ten. We'll talk Reds leading up
to that. Get you ready for that with jefff Car.

(01:22):
Jeff Carr from Locked On Reds is joining us at
four o'clock. Spend most of that four o'clock hour getting
you ready for Reds and Guardians the battle for the
Ohio Cup coming up tonight at GABP. I got questions.

(01:44):
I got questions because this team is it's very difficult
right now to watch this team is it is not
once a week. They're fun to watch and then the
other six days you're wondering what the heck is going on,
And when you read through the injury list, some of

(02:07):
it makes sense. You can you know, you know in
a one hundred and sixty two game season, you're going
to deal with injuries. But when you deal with the
number of injuries the Reds have right now, and you're
not a high dollar, big market, heavy spending club, there

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aren't a lot of answers. There's a lot of reliance
on your projected starting eight and the three or four
guys off the bench. There's not a lot in Louisville
right now. There's not a lot of answers on the
offensive side of the ball, on the main eight, the
positional players, given the unlucky stretch that they've had. But

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that doesn't take away from the fact that coming into
this season we had an idea that this thing was flawed,
that the roster construction day to day wasn't what it
needed to be for this team to be more than
probably a five hundred team throughout the season. And what

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do they look like so far? They look very much
like a team that is going to hover around five
hundred for most of the year and for me. A
lot of that is organizational in how the inner workings

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have been developed when it comes to their position players
and the structure of the organization. You know, it's been
a running joke for what three four years now, everybody
that comes in as a shortstop, everybody's got that middle
infielder pedigree with the thought process of they don't end

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up being a shortstop or a second baseman, then you know,
we move them around. They're athletic, they're you know, they're
they're high profile athletes, can play all over the field.
That's great to an extent until you get to the
major league level and now you've got a void in

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your organization. First base, third base, left field, right field.
Those are generally in baseball, the power spots, your your thumpers,
your power hitters, your guys that you know, the the
the athletic guys get on base and then the thumpers
come up and move them around. And there's essentially just

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what two guys that they have brought through the system
and developed, Christian Incarnaci and strand Noel v. Marte that
were brought in with that idea of corner infield or
corner outfield or whatever it may be guys that are
going to give you some thump, guys that are going

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to provide some power in the middle of your lineup.
And the reality is to this point those two guys
haven't worked. Whether it be injury or inconsistency. That there
have been flashes from both of them, but at this
point in time, this is year three really for Incarnassi

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and Strand since you get two and a half, however
you want to classify that that first year and year
two for Marte and those guys have not developed into everyday,
foundational middle of the roster, middle of the lineup guys
with not only just home run power, but double power

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like some pop And because they haven't worked out, because
they haven't provided what they were drafted to provide in
the few scarce picks that the Reds have used for
those particular roles. I think that's why you see a

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massive offensive void in this organization right now. And I
think there is something to be said for the organization
taking the easy way. And I don't blame well, I

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have blame. The hiring of Tito Francona was the mask,
was the look we're doing something. We made a big move,
and it was a big move. Francona is one of
the better managers in baseball. But why did it work

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in Cleveland? Because there was organizational structure and when something
went wrong, they were ready for it. When things got
a little off the rails, the organization was structured to
have multiple varieties of answers, not just We have spent

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most of our draft capital that we have used on
position players, on guys that have the same profile. When
you look through the minor leagues, it's not a lot
of thumpers. There's not a lot of corner guys. Still
a lot of athleticism, still shortstop, center field, second base.

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And I think until that is at until it is
acknowledged that you have to do be ready for multiple things,
you're going to be looking at a lineup that's incomplete,
that is talented, but incomplete, And when you have that,
it's very difficult to be successful. Over one hundred and

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sixty two games, Red's lineup today Freedom leading off and center,
Espina at third batting second, Daylight Cruise at short batting third,
Hayes and left batting clean up, Lux your designated hitter
today batting fifth, Steer at first batting six, Stevenson batting

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seventh behind the plate, Will Benson in right, batting eighth,
Matt McClain batting ninth at second base, Brady Singer on
the today four and one, four point nine to seven ERA.

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He is going up against Tanner BB, who is three
and three with a three point eighty ERA. Maybe a
saving grace today if you're looking at this, BB not
a big strikeout guy, at least so far this year,

(09:26):
forty five innings pitch, only thirty one strikeouts a one
point two two whip, so guys are getting on base.
He's he's done a pretty good job limiting the damage.
But the Reds have The Reds have missed the baseball
a lot this year. So we'll see if facing a

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guy that's not a high strikeout guy maybe is conducive
to putting some runs on the board for the Reds
Bengals to get to today. A lot of thoughts, a
lot of thoughts on the Bengals. The schedule was released.
We'll get to a little that a little bit, and
I know it's been hit to death yesterday after the

(10:12):
Wednesday schedule release, but I've got some thoughts and listening
to you know, Tony and Austin and listening to Moe
and listening to Lance about the outlook for this team
in twenty twenty five and what the record might be.
Can they get off to a fast start? How much
more difficult is that with you know, the front load

(10:37):
of road games coming at the beginning of the season
for the Cincinnati Bengals. So we'll do some schedule talk,
we'll we'll get into Trey Hendrickson our daily Trey Hendrickson conversation.
And the question I have is, after that display on Tuesday,

(11:02):
what was Trey Hendrickson trying to accomplish with that? What
was because there has to be a plan, right, you
don't just get up, get on a plane, fly to
Cincinnati and then gather the reporters around for a twenty
five minute essentially press conference without a plan. What was

(11:29):
he trying to accomplish? What was the goal? Because if
the goal was for him to come do that, and
in some sense he felt that that was going to
strong arm the Bengals into getting him what he wants

(11:51):
or getting closer to what he wants. Is he not
familiar with the history of this organization? Is he not
familiar with how things work here? Because You're not going
to strong arm the Bengals into anything unless you're wearing
number nine and your name is Joe Burrow. We've seen

(12:19):
this for the entirety of my life in negotiations. The
Bengals are not going to be pushed around. They truly
feel like.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
That.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Is like there's a win loss record on that, because
they're trying to win that. There's not much middle ground,
There's not much this is what you want, this is
what we want. Let's meet in the middle and make
this thing happen. It is, this is what we're willing
to do, and you either do it or we'll do
something else. Unless Joe Burrow takes the stance he did

(12:54):
with T Higgins. Because the Bengals drew that line in
the sand, it was an inevitability that at the end
of last season, T Higgins was essentially done as a
Cincinnati Bengal. And then you know, the back end of
the season, Joe started talking and Tea changed agents and

(13:15):
they started moving their chest pieces around to make sure
that Joe, Jamar and t we're going to be here
for the foreseeable future. And Joe was very vocal about it,
and this is Joe's franchise. Let's make no mistake here.
Joe is in a position that if he wants something

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and he prioritizes something, the Bengals know that they have
to meet in the middle. They have to find a
way to make what Joe wants a priority. Do we
really think Joe is gonna know, jump out in front

(14:01):
of that train for Trey Hendrickson after getting what he
wanted with Joe, with Jamar and t We're gonna find
out next week when Joe talks to the media. I
suppose and I anticipate that there will be that there
will be a showing of support for Trey. But is

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it going to be emphatic? Is it going to be
This has to happen, because if not, I don't see
the Bengals budget. Also talk about Al Golden and the
burden that is being placed on his shoulders by the

(14:49):
front office a by Zach Taylor, and can is he
the right guy? Can he be the guy that gets
this defen fence back to the middle of the pack,
doesn't have to be great, back to the middle of
the pack, and what does that look like with and
without Trey Hendrickson. We'll also get to bobbon Miller. I

(15:15):
know I was on with Moe yesterday. I'll give you
guys a chance in the five o'clock hour if you
want to talk some some UC roster, some Xavier roster,
a little college basketball. Now that it appears both rosters
are pretty much set, I think that's pretty safe to say.
I think, you know, Cincinnati has twelve. I think Xavier

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has eleven or twelve that they anticipate on being a,
you know, a significant piece of what their team looks
like this season. So we can get to that and
plenty more. But let's take a break. Let's get it started.
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Bob and Bowling Green wants to talk, Bob. How's it going?
My friend?

Speaker 9 (17:46):
Hey kid?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (17:48):
If I was any better, i'd be twins.

Speaker 10 (17:49):
Bob, Hey, Ken, I want you to dispel a rumor
for me, If you can, please, I'll try. I heard
that Miller is the black sheep of his family.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Very good, Bob, very good. He's talking, of course about
Bob a Miller, Bob, Bob black Sheep. See what Bob
did there? I couldn't resist I know, I know, it's fine,
it's fine.

Speaker 10 (18:20):
You know what, though, that's a great pickup.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think, especially this late in the process.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah, I saw highlights of this guy and he
I mean, he looks very much like as he's but
he can do a few more things.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
He's skilled offensively, he can shoot, he can handle the
ball a little. He's six eleven seven foot with a
seven to three wingspan. He's about still a little light,
about two hundred and fifteen pounds. We'll see if if
Mike great Felt can get him up. I'd like to
see him probably more in that two twenty five range.
But sometimes guys with that frame, Bob, it's it's very

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difficult to put on weight.

Speaker 10 (19:05):
I heard Chad that he was six to two, yeah,
and shot up to six or eleven in like a
year or something like that.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
That that's correct, and that's you'll see in his basketball career, Bob.
He's been a guard much more longer than he's been
a big man.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (19:23):
Well, you know what his his.

Speaker 10 (19:27):
His ability to handle the ball. With what I saw,
and what was weird about a lot.

Speaker 9 (19:35):
Of times he was leading a fast break and I'm like,
my gosh, that no just Hm.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
That's something that in today's game is invaluable, Bob is
to be able to get a rebound and just go
because you're you're putting a ton of pressure on the
defense when you've got to get it, pivot, look for
a guard, make the outlet pass against teams time to
get back, and when you can just get it and
start pushing the ball up the floor, it really puts

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a lot of stress on a defense to identify to
get into their rotations quicker, and it creates more scoring opportunities.

Speaker 10 (20:13):
Jen, I don't know how you feel about it, but
I quite honestly, I really am not gonna miss any
of what they lost from last year.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Skillings to me.

Speaker 10 (20:25):
Looked like a guy who, you know what, even though
they were getting beaten things late in the year, he
always seemed to have a smile on his face, like
it really never bothered him that much, and he wasn't alone.
I think for a lot of those guys, losses really
didn't seem to have much of an impact on that group.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
They didn't have a lot of grit in that group.
I don't think that is saying anything all that controversial.
They did not have a lot of guys. That just
what's the old saying, Bob, you gotta hate to lose
more than you love to win. I think that a
lot of guys that love to win. Yeah, And if

(21:05):
you go back and look at our postgame shows on
Bearkat Journal, I talked a lot about you know, they
would lose a game and I would anticipate, Okay, you
lost a game, you lost two in a row. Where
is that like back against the wall, like we're coming
out for blood? And I just never really saw it

(21:26):
with that group last year. I thought Wes addressed it
immediately with Sincere Harris, with kerkkrisa with Jalen Haynes. If
you watch those guys play, they all play with an edge,
and I didn't think last year there was a lot
of edge. There wasn't nearly enough edge to that team.

Speaker 10 (21:45):
Jed, I know you went into last year really up
on Dan Skillings.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I mean he was honorable mention. As hard as this
is to believe, Bob, he was honorable mention all Big
Twelve and scored fourteen points a game as a sophomore. No,
I know, I know, you know what I think. I
want your opinion, Bob. Yeah, I think Dan made a

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fatal mistake in terms of his approach in that instead
of and this happens a lot, don't. We don't talk
about it enough, but it happens a lot. He focused
on the things that he needed to improve, which is
what you should do, right, but he did it at
the expense of what he was good at.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
He was not.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
He was not that that aggressive rebounder that attacked the
glass and really got after it like that was gone.
That was what got him to where he was in
his sophomore season, and we didn't see that in his
junior season. The guy that slashed you know that he
had a great explosive first step going baseline. Saw that

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last year.

Speaker 10 (23:01):
Yeah, you know, Chad. The thing for me too, that
I think is something that I believe these guys all
over college basketball and I have to look at now,
is that the money part of this thing. You know,
when you're a professional and you're making money, those guys
still play hard. These guys, it seems like when a

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lot of them start making some cash, their thought process
about basketball and really playing hard and.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Things like that seem to take a back seat.

Speaker 9 (23:31):
Sometimes.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well there's a difference. Bob of a twenty five year
old with a wife and kids getting a bunch of money,
and a twenty year old that doesn't have either of
those things getting a bunch of money, right, Like, it's
not the same thing. Yeah, yeah, you're right, So all right,

(23:52):
appreciate it. Bob, got anything else?

Speaker 9 (23:54):
I said, no, No, that's good man, all right, thank you.

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Speaker 1 (24:57):
Just bom. Since not E's ESPN fifteen thirty Brindle and
on this Friday for Mo Eggar, have you got tonight
arn Knicks Celtics? The Knicks get it done? Or do
they got sweat out of Game seven in Boston?

Speaker 11 (25:15):
Is about to be a party in New York City tonight?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
You think so?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I look like the Celtics surprised him a little bit
without Tatum. You think they get that under control?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (25:28):
I think I think they'll be ready for it this time.
I think Boston wins, But then we have to really
check on our frame.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
Mo.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
If that happens, I mean, it's Monday, won't be a
good show. I mean unless well, Sunday would be Game seven, right.

Speaker 11 (25:42):
No, No, there's game same moves Monday.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Okay, he'd be nervous on Monday.

Speaker 11 (25:46):
Yeah, that wo probably wouldn't be a good show for it.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
He'll be nervous on Monday. I don't know. I can't
get over like even in except for the one game,
even the games the Knicks have won, the Celtics have
been up by twenty twenty five. I don't know it's
gonna be a good one. Mike in La, Mike, what's out?
My friend?

Speaker 9 (26:09):
Well, great to talk to you as usual, my dear
friend's head.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Who how are you, fellas, I'm doing great. I'm doing great.

Speaker 9 (26:16):
Okay. Instead of talking, I'm not trying to disrespect bearcat basketball,
college basketball. But let's talk about what's happening right now
in basketball. And this is the best NBA playoffs in
twenty to thirty years that I can recall.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
It's been very good, it's been very entertaining. It happened well.

Speaker 9 (26:34):
I got to eye Terran. Keep your ears perked up
a little bit, Terran. You may want to take a
little bit of a stage advice from your older friend here.
First of all, you mentioned a minute ago, Dad about
how valuable it is having a good guy rebound and
get that break started right now. Yep, is the joker, unbelievable,

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is a joker on the believe the best player in
the world. There's no question.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
I don't think there's any doubt.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
He's.

Speaker 9 (27:04):
And he looks like he just got off a construction job.
You guy, he's the trip.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's a big construction worker, Mike. That's a big construction worker.

Speaker 9 (27:14):
Yeah, he's a big boy or whatever feel.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Worker, whatever it is. Right, You don't look like.

Speaker 9 (27:20):
A basketball player for sure, But he sure is talk
about basketball savvy Julius Randall. Right now, the unsung MVP
of these playoffs, Pride of the UK. What and I'm
telling you, nixt hey, nixt uh, did you make a
little mistake losing Julius Because Julius might end up in

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the finals as just as almost as valuable as Aunt.
This guy's playing his ass off, Chick.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
He's playing great. I mean, he's giving Aunt that that robin.
You know that that's the thing you've worried about because
because Aunt, Aunt isn't always an alpha scorer, because of
how good he is a facility, facilitating and passing, he
needs that second guy like he's not you know, he's not.

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He can score forty, but he's not wired to shoot
thirty five times, you know, thirty times a game. So
he needs a guy like Cat. Yeah, he needs a
guy like Randall to be his sidekick.

Speaker 9 (28:23):
Yeah, and boy is he a handy side kick. I mean,
you're playing with authority, confidence, downhill, all of it. Plus
he's a lefty, which is always a lot of fun
in basketball. But to terram One, you better get Cat
to start playing like a man instead of a little
girl and just want to shoot threes because in the
paint he's weak week week. Yeah, well he's gonna have

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Something's gonna have to change there, because Julius Randall will
eat him for a lunch if they would play each other.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
You want to know, you want to hear a funny story,
you know, you know the first time I saw Carl
Anthony Towns he was Do you remember, boy, this is
gonna make some of the UC fans in the crowd
go crazy. Do you remember Quadree More?

Speaker 9 (29:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:13):
So, Quadre Moore and Carl Anthony Towns played AAU as teammates.
So the first time I saw Karl Anthony Towns was
playing with Quadree More. And even then he was six nine,
six ten, two thirty or whatever, and boy, he loved
to hang out on the perimeter and shoot threes. Leopards

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don't change their stripes.

Speaker 9 (29:37):
No, you're right, buddy, and he sure heads, but I
don't know. The Leopards have stripes, Uh spots amstradia, pretty
spots and mostly spots.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay, good then that that that that fits for me.
If I said spot, If I said stripes and they
only have spots, That's what I was aiming for.

Speaker 9 (29:56):
We were close with hell that's like, yes, like he
had to like mammal the cat.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
It's like crossing and dotting your t's.

Speaker 9 (30:05):
The other thing is I thought when Tatum went down,
actually they were a better basketball team Boston was when
Tatum went down. Jalen Brown is actually a better leader,
is a better facilitator. They played much more impressive. Pritchett
was unreal, the bench was incorporated more, Cornette was great.
I think their style of ball right now, where they

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mixed some inside game with that deadly outside shooting from
White in the Gang, is more lethal than when Tatum
was in there. That last game, when Tatum got hurt,
he was ballhogging. Man, he was ballhogging real bad.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, but that's because he hadn't done crap the first
four games.

Speaker 9 (30:44):
I mean, I'm not saying the guy's not an unreal player,
is but right, and then they were killing Brunton the
last game on that pick and roll, they were just
killing him because of the size of the Celtics were.
So I don't know. I'm with arm leaning with Chad
on this. And I hate the Celtics because I'm a
Lakers fan. I hate them with every fiber of my beans.

(31:06):
But I think Chad's right. I think and Lula al
coach TIBs in that last game big time. So I
I really like I'm with you, Chad. I like Boston tonight,
and I hate to say it.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
But I think the Knicks win the series. Still, I
think the Knicks get him in Boston Game seven.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
No, I do, I do.

Speaker 9 (31:27):
I do you think the Knicks are going to get
him in Boston?

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah? I do.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
I think I think they they trade home wins tonight
or tonight and Monday. I think Boston wins tonight, Nicks
win Monday.

Speaker 9 (31:37):
You just want to be a contrarian, that's all.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
That's not me. That's not me.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I don't do that.

Speaker 9 (31:44):
No, I just we'll see some great basketball. That's what's
the most one of all of this.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
For sure.

Speaker 9 (31:49):
Who wins, gonna lose, it doesn't matter. But I do
really have a d C the hatred for Boston.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Try this out, Mike, NBA champion Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 9 (31:59):
Hey, I'm all in, bro. I didn't. I was trying
to get to that, but I know you can't let
me keep talking. But YO, talk to me about them.
She had talked to me. You're an expert.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Talk to me The key has been that they started
figuring it out defensively. I mean they are. They have
been an incredible offensive unit for a while now, going
going back to last year, like the offensively, they can
flat out score, but they couldn't stop anybody. And then
over the last two three months they really started to

(32:28):
find and develop an identity defensively and that has changed them.
That is that they can still score with the best
of them, but now they can get key stops, and
that's that's a dangerous, dangerous combination. If you can if
you can put up one point fifteen and in the
last four minutes get some stops down the stretch, you're

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gonna win a lot of games, including high leverage playoff games.
They've got a star. They're kind of mold into this
new version of what good in the NBA looks like,
where they're deep, they're talented, everybody can score. Now they've
figured out defense. I don't know that they're going to
get it done, but I like their chance as much

(33:14):
as anybody that's left.

Speaker 9 (33:16):
I'm going to loose for them as hard as I
possibly can. And I didn't mean to neglect them, but
I had to get that other stuff off my chest
mostly to Terrence. But uh, but Rick Carlisle, what a
what a solid coach?

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Right, very good? He's got title now.

Speaker 9 (33:31):
Is either would you credit him with the with the
improvement in the defense or the problem desire?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
I think some of it too. They're young. I think
some of it is just developing, growing as an NBA
as a professional, you know, coming together as a team.
They've been together a little while now, they they haven't
messed with the formula a whole lot. These guys are
starting to develop and evolve and become veteran players. I
think having a veteran coach and a team that's aging

(33:58):
and maturing together, I think that's big.

Speaker 9 (34:02):
I appreciate you talking to NBA with me. I know
most people in Cincinnati. Well, I bet there's more people
interested than we really are. Credit for a lot of
people like that. Can I do it? Bengals, real quick.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Very quick, very quick? Mark, Mark, Mark's getting squeezed here, Mike, I.

Speaker 9 (34:18):
Don't put I'm sorry, Mark, Now, I'll get off left
market on.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'll get all right, we'll talk next time. Okay, all right,
thanks Mike, Mark, Mark, and Florence. That's nice of Mike
to give you to give you some time. Mark.

Speaker 13 (34:30):
Yeah, yeah, we switched off, you know when you call
me and on Tony and Mosoll so hey, I would
do it for him too. H But first, I like
Chad Brando's walk up song when when you're on the
show side, don't have to tell you that I got
a Trey Henderson Uh point I want to make. I

(34:51):
think Trade screwed himself over when he signed that one
year extension.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I never understood. I never understood what he did that.

Speaker 13 (35:00):
Why would you delay your free agency another year by
adding on another year to your contract. It never made
sense to me why he did that. And you know
now you know he's making this riff. But I think
he screwed himself over when he did that. I mean,
can you give me some insight on why he did that.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I think it's a really good question. I think he won.
This question comes up a lot, and I think it's
a fair point. I don't know that he's got good representation, Mark,
like some of the decisions he's made, Like, I just
don't know that his agent is it. Their strategy has

(35:46):
has been weird to me because why, to your point,
why wouldn't you have waited when they did the extension.
And some of this is because the way that the
Bengals do come tracks. Because they only guarantee one year,
Guys think, well, then I need to get back in
there and get that guaranteed money every year. But if

(36:07):
he would have let it sit for a year, I
think he would have got a bigger deal. I think
he would have been more in a position like he was.
But the Bengals are looking at this like, look, we
signed you out of free agency, we gave you a
fair market deal. Then you came back to us quick
and wanted another one and we did that. We're not

(36:27):
going to do this a third time your way. We're
gonna do this our way now.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, okay, well, okay, I agree.

Speaker 13 (36:37):
Let me make a Rids point and then I'll get
off what I want to see from the Rids at
this point.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I want to see a vision. I want to see
a commitment.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Oh yeah, we're gonna get to that.

Speaker 13 (36:48):
Are we going young and we're going to develop the
young players? You know, cause if we're doing it that way, Dan,
I don't need to see Austin Hayes. I don't need
to see James. I didn't really need to see Gavin Lux,
I need to see the younger players, Okay, Will Benson,
Reese Hines, yea an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
You're not gonna do that with all young guys one
because they don't have enough young guys in the pipeline
to do it.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Oh okay.

Speaker 13 (37:16):
But the reason I'm bringing that point up in the
two thousands, we saw Houston and we saw Chicago stripped
their teams down on loose one hundred games for a
couple of seasons and.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
They and they built it back up.

Speaker 13 (37:31):
So my thing is, why why is this organization having
a problem doing that when we've seen the two other
organizations do the same thing because they.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Know I want I want you to stay on I
answer real quick, in my opinion, because they've been bad
at developing their position players to become stars, right like
they've done. The pitching side of it. The bullpen's been
you know, so they've had some bumps this year, but
the starting pitch he's been outstanding. Those are almost all

(38:07):
homegoing guys. The bullpen's been outstanding. Those are almost all
homegrown guys or guys that they've gotten at reasonable prices
on the free agent market. But Christian and karnassion Strand
Noel V. Marte. Like the list is is very long,
Spencer Steer and Matt McLain right now of guys that

(38:28):
they they brought up and they have so far been missus.
What did the Cubs and the Astros do they hit?
If the Reds If we were talking right now about
in Karnassi on Strand being a guy in the middle
of the lineup with with thirty home run power, he
might be a two thirty to forty hitter, but he's
got pop and Noel V. Marte's got a little bit

(38:50):
of a mix of both. And you're getting gap to
gap production from Steer and from McLean and Ellie is Ellie.
Then it looks great and they're they're right there with
the Cubs at the top of the division. But that's
not what they're getting that they're getting a good allie
and nothing much else.

Speaker 13 (39:12):
Yeah, I thought, let me make this point, Okay, I
thought at the beginning of this reveal that they should
have looked at them two organizations, Houston and Chicago, and
tried to grab somebody out of one of them organizations
and bring them into yours to help with the development. Yeah,
get somebody that's that saw it before. I agree, so

(39:35):
they can assist you on how to go about it.
And it doesn't seem like they did it that way.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
So we got what we got. So I'll get off.

Speaker 13 (39:44):
Thanks from Star Call and then see you next time.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Appreciate you man, Thank you. All right, let's take a break.
That was good, almost a whole hour of phone calls there.
Phone lines are back open. Let's keep it up. Jeff,
Jeff car jefff call are coming up at the top
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(41:20):
We are roughly an hour away from the start of
the Ohio Cup. We're supposed to once the Red Game
Reds game starts, supposed to do counter programming, so we don't.
We don't. We're gonna do Reds in the four o'clock hour.
We're gonna do some other stuff in the five o'clock
hour that's in the business, as they call it, counter programming.

(41:43):
So what better way to start off an hour of
Reds talk than to talk to my guy, Jeff ff
Car from Lockdown Reds. Jeff, how the heck are you?

Speaker 2 (41:57):
My friend?

Speaker 8 (41:59):
Chat and yoked up. We're talking about the biggest rivalry
in all of Okay. I mean, you know, it's gonna
be a really good series.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
This week, and I don't know about biggest rivalry in all.

Speaker 8 (42:08):
Of sports, but I'm excited to see if the Reds
can get right against the Cleveland Guardians.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I've got a stat for you right now.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
You ready, it's probably not good.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
No, it is, it is good.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Oh it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Elie de la Cruz is four hits away. This is
from OPTA stats on twitterc Did you see this today? Okay?
Four hits away from reaching three hundred hits, one hundred
and fifty RBIs and one hundred stolen bases for his
career and fewer games than any other player since RBI

(42:46):
became official in nineteen twenty. He's entering his three hundred
and fourth game of his career. The record is three
hundred and twenty eight games by Hamley Ramirez. We are
hard on Elie de la Cruise, but it feels like
once every week or two, one of these stats pop

(43:07):
up where Ellie is the youngest player to do x
y Z in fifty years, one hundred years, ever, whatever
the case may be, because everything else has not come
together around him. Are we two judge of Elie de
la Cruz and what he has actually accomplished?

Speaker 8 (43:30):
One hundred percent? But I think he deserves it, Like
I think that good is boring for Ellie dela Cruz.
That's a great thing if you're talking about every other player,
But he has like positioned himself as being a stratospear
type of guy, right, Like, I know, it seems a
little unfair, like when you I mean, you're right, Like

(43:50):
the different statistics that we can put out there of
how good he is and the accomplishments that he's had
in such a short time make it seem as though
like he should be up there with Shohotani in the
conversation right now, But it just seems as though it's
all brought down by everything around them. And I think,
I think, really what we do that's unfair to him

(44:12):
is that we put the teams blame onto him. We
did it with Joey Vado too, and so we're doing it.
We're doing it with Eli de la Cruz. But I
do think, and you know, yesterday's game was a perfect
example of a just Schiff's hiss of a play where
he goes Apo Taco on a breaking ball, low and away,

(44:34):
like he does things that need to be celebrated, and
it's just for the lack of his teammates' success that
I feel like we don't give him enough flowers.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Jeff, I want to dial in on two guys here,
Christian and Karnaci and Strand Neelvi Marte. This team, it
feels like for the past seven eight years, when they
have used their draft capital, their their roster building mechanism,
it has been shortstops. It has been rangy athletic, not

(45:10):
exactly like corner power guys, middle of the roster type guys.
These are the two guys that they have invested resources
in and neither of them to this point are working out.
Is a lot of this a result of the Reds.

(45:32):
One the Reds putting too much emphasis on those two guys,
and two those guys not delivering.

Speaker 8 (45:39):
I definitely think it's it's definitely a little bit of both, right, Like,
it's hard to completely blame one side of this. It
seems like Christian and Karnassian strain comes up with new
injuries that he's going through, and Noldy Marte of course
had the one thing that nobody else in this organization
has dealt with, at least nobody at the major league
level has dealt with, and that is the ped suspension.

(46:02):
But I do feel like they have been grouped in,
and I've grouped them in as part of the speculative
core of the future, and if they're not in there,
then this picture looks a lot more murky, and I
think that's where you do start to wonder who's going
to be at the corners.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
It's interesting you mentioned Noelvie Marte.

Speaker 8 (46:25):
Because he was drafted as a shortstop by the Mariners
and played shortstop for a decent amount of time while
he was with the Mariners. It was only until he
came over to Cincinnati that he was moved to third base.
Those scouting reports did say that he was likely to
move off of shortstop at some time, even before the
Reds traded for him. But that's kind of been our

(46:47):
curiosity with how Nick Caral has decided to build not
just the major league roster, but the organizational roster from
the middle out, and we really haven't seen success full
position realignment for some of these guys.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's fine to have a belief that,
like we're gonna draft the most athletic guys, sure right,
Like I don't have any problem with that, But building
a baseball roster, building a functional team, if you're gonna
have to do it internally like this franchise is, means

(47:25):
that you got to mix in some guys at first
and third and left and right field, like it. If not,
it ends up a team that strikes out a ton,
doesn't get on BASI a toon and also doesn't really
have anybody in the in the lineup that is a
thirty thirty five. And I'm not even getting into like
great home run hitters forty and plus thirty twenty five thirty,

(47:49):
Like those guys aren't really there in the organization, right,
And I mean.

Speaker 8 (47:54):
Baseball is so strange and that other than golf, it's
the most skill driven. I mean, you can out athlete
a bad jump shot, just as Simmons but at this,
but you cannot out athlete a back.

Speaker 10 (48:09):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (48:11):
Ask he made it to the pros though, I mean, yeah,
all right, Sean Marian. But but no, I would say
that like guys like Billy Hamilton, while we love them,
when we look at their career we say, Okay, that's
not exactly what we're looking for here to ninety eight

(48:32):
on base percentage is not what we're looking for.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
So I totally agree with you.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
You cannot just focus on the athletic skill set of
a player.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's got to be you know, what's what's his bat speed?

Speaker 13 (48:44):
Right?

Speaker 8 (48:44):
What does his mechanics look like on the mound, how
does he throw the ball in the field, all that
different stuff like baseball has this added element to it.
But it feels like the Reds either don't develop well
enough or they don't scout well enough, one of those
two things.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
But why are they so good at pitching? Why are
they so good at identifying pitching? And then on the
position player side, they're a disaster.

Speaker 8 (49:11):
Derek Johnson, I really feel like they hit the biggest
home run they ever hit when they hired him, And
it wasn't because of what he does at the major
league level, but how he has set up the entire organization.
They sort of course corrected a bit at the beginning
of the Dick Williams there by hiring Kyle Body to

(49:33):
be the pitching coordinator for the minor leagues. But then
Derek Johnson sort of took his major league experience and
a little bit of what Kyle Body did as the
pitching coordinator and combined the two. So I feel like
they put together a great program for pitchers that develop,
And to be honest with you, some of the guys
that we really get to see a lot of their

(49:54):
high draft picks, I mean, right, Red louder, jimp lodolo.
But Derek Johnson's able to get the best out of
those guys.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Is there an equivalent to that on the On the
other side, it's easier to do with pitching, right, because
pitching is kind of its own individual entity in the sport, right.

Speaker 14 (50:15):
And and just about any athlete would tell you that
the hardest thing to do is.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
To hit a baseball. Sure, that's why I bunned a
lot when I was like.

Speaker 8 (50:25):
That's that's why I ate a lot of sunflower sees
this kid, I But no, I don't believe. I mean,
Chris Flaka just got here, so it's a little bit
hard to say yay or nay on him. But the
guys that came before him, No, there's not that sort
of guy on the hitting side for the Reds.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
What was that guy's name, alan Z?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Him him. I just had to look him up because
he was the most forgettable uh maybe the most forgettable
name in Red's history, alan Zinter.

Speaker 8 (50:56):
If somebody put together a sporkle quiz of past it's
hitting coaches, because you get more than two.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Uh, probably not was Pete The spot was Pete Rose,
the hitting coach at some point in time.

Speaker 8 (51:10):
I mean a Teed Klesluski was the guy from Machine I.
Everybody knows that guy. So there's one and then the
current guy. But yeah, like five years ago, eight years ago, Yeah,
what what is this team?

Speaker 1 (51:25):
And they they've kind of, uh, what's a good word
that's not going to get tearing to push the dump button.
They've they've screwed up an opportunity where the schedule got
easier and they basically essentially did nothing. They lost two
games in the standings I think, or lost two games
to five hundred. I think, uh, in this stretch that

(51:47):
was supposed to be manageable for them. What what's this
team got to do? Or are you kind of like,
I know, you're not like me, Jeff, You're you're more optimistic.
I'm not pessimistic, but like, I'm not as optimistic as you.
I think this is a five hundred team and we
are just gonna see them play somewhere in the range

(52:07):
of five games under to five games over from here
until October.

Speaker 14 (52:11):
I don't think that's a that's an unfair assessment.

Speaker 8 (52:15):
Like the way that they have played here recently has
made me reconsider my position on this team.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
This year, like, they've got to they've.

Speaker 8 (52:23):
Got to prove me wrong that I was wrong about
them being good, because I felt before the season there
were a number of guys that were ready to take
a step forward, and pretty much every single one of
those guys have taken a step back. And when you
look at their biggest weakness being scoring runs, they are

(52:44):
going up against the Chicago Cubs where that is their
biggest strength, their bigness weaknesses.

Speaker 14 (52:51):
You know how many runs are they going to allow?

Speaker 8 (52:53):
But if the Reds can neutralize that with a bad lineup,
then that series where here in a couple of weeks
they play the Cubs six times in nine days, that's
going to be a huge barometer, litmus tests, whatever you know,
thing you want to use there to say, like, all right,
by the end of those nine days, I think we're

(53:14):
gonna know what we're gonna know about where the Reds
are going to finish in these standings.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Give me a rundown on the the twenty twenty five
Battle for Ohio, Sir, the Indians are better than the Reds.
They they are guardians. I'm sorry, they are better at
the plate.

Speaker 14 (53:34):
I believe the Reds are actually better on the mound.

Speaker 8 (53:37):
But I think overall, I think the Reds are going
to really have to scratch and claun to get two
out of three. They're put behind the eight ball in
that the first game they face Tanner Bidy, and Tanner
bide is just as good as he's ever been, with
a great strikeout to walk ratio and pitching.

Speaker 14 (53:54):
Really well for the Guardians, so he's going tonight.

Speaker 8 (53:57):
The weekend is going to be interesting because they lost
then Lively, former Red who actually has been really good
ever since leaving the Reds, but he has hit the
IL just a couple of days ago, so he's not
going to pitch where he was supposed to be the
Saturday starter. So that is TBD, and that's kind of
thrown up Sunday in the air. So I kind of

(54:18):
wonder if one of these games the Reds get a
shot at just the Guardian's bullpen. And while in year's path,
that bullpen has been manned by the best closer in
the game of baseball, and Emmanuel class A, Manual class
A has not been his typicult self so far this season,
giving up a lot of hits. So if the Reds
can just get up on the starters and at least

(54:40):
forced them to throw a lot of pitches and force
them into their bullpen around the sixth or seven penny.
I think they've got a really good shot to win
two out of three here, but it feels like they
have to beat Tanner Bybe today in order to do that,
because you know as well as I do, Sunday day
games are always.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
What's the word I'm looking.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
For, dreadful? Yeah, you've been in this business. Could you
imagine having to do Sunday extra innings every Sunday?

Speaker 9 (55:15):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (55:15):
I did a few of those a few years back,
and I think that's about when the time starts. So
maybe it's my fault.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I don't know it.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Could I mean, it's Audie now, I think, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I know he has a whole lot. Yeah, it's it's
Audi now.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
It's that.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Can't be a fun shift. Can't be a fun shift?
Do they do they do it? Do they do they
get two out of three in this series? No, I'm
gonna say it for you because you don't want to
say it out loud.

Speaker 14 (55:40):
No, No, I have a hard time seeing it.

Speaker 8 (55:44):
I think that they won't get swept for sure, but
I have a hard time seeing them beat Tanner Baby
and Sunday. All bets are off. It doesn't matter who
the Guardian's pitch, the threads are going to find a
way to to mess that up. I mean, you know,
the odds have just been so against yeah here in
times past. But I was encouraged by you know, Matt
McLean and Will Benson there at the end of the

(56:06):
White Sox series.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Hopefully that is a sign that those two guys. Look,
it's not out of the realm of possibility that a
guy the guys are a little slow in the in
the month of April, start to come around in May
and still put together a good season. I mean they
you know what they're at the I heard them say
this on three sixty. They're at the equivalent of like
the four game mark in the NFL season. There's time

(56:29):
to turn it around, but it would be nice to
see it happen start happening soon.

Speaker 14 (56:36):
Yeah, Zach Taylor made him go one and three again.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I guess what happened here.

Speaker 14 (56:40):
But I'm feeling like I'm with you.

Speaker 8 (56:44):
I think if they get to June, either like one
or two games under five hundred, or they're around five
hundred and then they go on their June run. Then
mind prediction for the season will happen. But there's a
lot that's gonna happen between him because these next two
weeks are going to be busy for sure.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Appreciate your brother. Where can they find you?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Thanks Chad.

Speaker 8 (57:07):
You can always follow the podcast on every podcasting app,
including the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 14 (57:12):
You know, so follow me on Twitter and on TikTok
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Speaker 1 (57:15):
With three fs JEFFF. Car as I affectionately call him.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Thanks man.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
We'll talk soon.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Hey, thanks Jed.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Go right there there you go, Jeff car locked on
Rad's podcast. Just take a break, we'll come back with more.
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of what the crap song?

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It?

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Ludicrous?

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Speaker 11 (01:00:16):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
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Speaker 13 (01:00:31):
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Yeah, it's it's not too many currents.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
And I hate that because it makes me like, yeah,
I always you know, you look back and you're like, oh,
we said that when we were kids to our parents,
and they said that when they were kids to their parents.
But like you look back and that music was incredible
sixties and seventies to eighties, nineties, even the early two thousands,
and now it's just it's not the same.

Speaker 11 (01:01:04):
It goes back then. And I say back then because
I mean I'm getting up there.

Speaker 12 (01:01:07):
But y'all used to dance in the cliff, Yeah we did.
Now people go to clubs. Everybody's standing around buying bottles.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Right bottle service, made bottle service, ruined music tarn Nobody
goes to the dance floor anymore.

Speaker 12 (01:01:23):
Oh boy, looking for your for your weddings and backyard parties?
Will how make you tarn?

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I have it going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Red's game moved up to five ten, So getting ready
to start here in about forty minutes.

Speaker 9 (01:01:39):
UH.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Line up TJ Friedel in center batting, lead off, Santiago
Espina at third batting second, Li Da light Cruise at
short batting third, Austin Hayes and left batting, Fourthkevin lux
Dh batting fifth, Spencer Steer at first, batting six, Tyler
Stevenson behind the dish bat seventh, Will Benson and Wright

(01:02:03):
batting eighth, and Matt McClain at second, batting ninth. Brady
Singer on the mound for the Reds. He is four
and two with a four ninety seven era. Let's get
the let's get the clock back organized, Teraran, Let's take

(01:02:26):
a break. Phone lines are open when we come back.
What's what's the plan. What's the plan? I touched on
it a little bit with Jeff Carr, But organizationally, how
can there be such a drastic difference between what they
do with the pitching staff and what they do with

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the position players? And maybe that's the problem. Maybe they're
trying to do the position players like they do the
pitching staff. I'll tell you why I think that after this,
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Due Welcome back.

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Since I ESPN thirteen thirty Jed Brenda and for well
be back on Monday. Yeah, Nicks, Yeah, I mean Moe's
mood is gonna be highly impacted by what happens tonight.
And I'm not talking about the battle for Ohio. Nick
Celtics game six, Knicks up three to two, chance to

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close it out at home. No, Jason Tatum defending champs
on the ropes. If they don't get it done tonight,
it's gonna be rough. Will not be a fun Monday
for Taran. No, you should get hazard pay on Monday.

(01:04:51):
If the Knicks don't win tonight, I I've got a
I think I might kind of have a night to
my sell tarn.

Speaker 11 (01:05:02):
Tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
So the Kelsey is I don't know if you're familiar
with this disaster of a show, but uh, secret Lives
of Mormon Wives.

Speaker 11 (01:05:13):
Yeah, no, not familiar.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
The new season released yesterday. So Kelsey and my now
girlfriend Liz are are having a secret Lives of Mormon
Wives like watch party tonight, and I have informed them
that I am not a part of that. I don't
mind if you all do it. It's fine. You watch
what you want to watch. I'm going to be in

(01:05:35):
my office doing other things. Whatever, there's other things might
be anything, but what's going on in my living room,
so I'll probably get a chance to watch it if
my my my internet speed at my house has been
a disaster since since Wednesday, we.

Speaker 11 (01:05:52):
Have a little breaking news for folks going to the
Zach Brown Concept Tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Concert canceled, Yeah, postponed, postponed to when it has been
announces's yet.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Okay, Tony's Tony's devastated. I was about to say something,
but yeah, devastated. I know he was excited to go
more than anything. He just wanted an answer on whether
it was it was gonna happen or not. But I mean,
you know, he bolted early, He took off early, and

(01:06:23):
you benefited today, Arran. I didn't want to say that,
but yeah, I mean, you know that's it. If you leave,
that's that's kind of what happens. I brought something in
for Tony. Tony wasn't here, so I gave it to Arran.
I told Tony on Wednesday I was going to bring

(01:06:44):
him something in. That's on him. If you would have
waited like three more minutes, we would have seen each other.
He was getting off the air as I was coming
up the elevator, and by the time I got to
the studio, he was gone, that's on him, That's not
on you, Terran, that's not on you.

Speaker 11 (01:07:01):
Well, I will wear this proudly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Okay, there's there's another big baseball game in town tonight, Tarren.
Did you know that no Cincinnati Bearcats playing for a
berth and at large bid in the NCAA Tournament hosting
Kansas State tonight. Cincinnati is right on the bubble right

(01:07:25):
now that most of the projections have them in the
field as an at large team. They are playing Kansas State,
who they are kind of neck and neck with in
the Big twelve standings, tied for sixth place right now.
And Cincinnati got the win last night, seven to four,
and they're back at it again. They like the Reds.

(01:07:45):
They moved the game up to five o'clock.

Speaker 11 (01:07:48):
I was just about to say, hopefully they're get in before.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
The Yeah, they moved it up to five, so they
should be good. I mean, actually, in actuality, looking at
the radar right now, I don't think it's going to
rain long around here, maybe four forty five minutes an hour,
but it's gonna it's gonna be. It could be pretty
nasty where it does hit. Not that I'm a meteorologist,
but you know I like to I like to dabble

(01:08:10):
in radar observations. So we'll see. But they are They
are a fun team to watch, Tarran. If you like
old school baseball stealing bases, you know, guy gets a
walk and next thing you know, he's stealing second and
third and then they're suicide squeezing him home. Like if

(01:08:32):
you like that brand of baseball, Jordan Bishel's your guy.
And I know you guys have had him on tarn.
If I could like pay him to just host a
podcast every week in my network, I would. He's that good.
He's hilarious, dry, deadpant sense of humor, and the guy
can really really coach baseball. Last year was his first

(01:08:54):
year at Cincinnati. They just missed the NCAA tournament. This year,
he's got them right now. If they can get I
think one more of these this weekend. They play today
and then they play tomorrow to close out the regular
season against Kansas State, and then onto the Big Twelve

(01:09:14):
Tournament next week. If they can get one more this
weekend and then get one in the Big Twelve Tournament,
I think they're in, and that is a fun deal.
If you can get into the NCAA tournament and try
to play your way to Omaha.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
There's Big twelve Baseball tournament. One and done or one
and done. Yeah, okay, most of them aren't most of them.
You got like an element of you got to win
a couple of games here and there. Big twelve is
solely one and done, no losers bracket. So that starts Tuesday,
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
So if you get a chance tonight tomorrow afternoon, make
it out to campus and check out the baseball Bearcats
closing out their regular season against Kansas State tomorrow could
be wild. They're supposed to be. It's supposed to be clear,
but there's like a potential wind gus up to forty

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miles an hour tomorrow in the forecast.

Speaker 11 (01:10:16):
Am I right over there and check them? Check them out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
They're fun, dude, I'm telling you like they are. They
they play a really fun brand of baseball.

Speaker 11 (01:10:26):
Then stare at the new facility that was built.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
It's I mean, it's right behind you, like it's unbelievable
how big it is. It does not it does not
fit that piece of what you would think would be
in that piece of property, but you stand next to
it and you're like, my god, what happened here? How
did how did they do this? All right, let's take

(01:10:50):
a break. We'll finish up with the red stalk and
close out. Uh you want you want me just go
five more minutes here, or you want me to take
a break. You want me to take a break. Okay,
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Speaker 11 (01:12:09):
Are you d a music question? You know he's here?

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Yeah, I don't know where. There's a lot being invested
into uh Kendrick and Siza in Saint Louis. That's here,
I know. But a month later you're giving me tickets.
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Might know. Guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Okay, I'm not saying I won't go. I'm just saying
I'm not sure yet. I've only got I'm going to.
We're going to Florida for vacation in July. Okay, Okay,
spending a week in Florida, Like you know, you got it?
There's a bear cut. Journal has not yet made me infinite,
and it's made me wealthy, Tarran, but it hasn't made
me infinitely wealthy.

Speaker 11 (01:12:49):
Yeah, I didn't know about the Florida Triple.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Uh real quick back to uh the red stought that
I was having a couple of segments ago. But when
you're drafting pitching like the Reds have done and done
really well, they have obviously a formula an equation for
what they're looking for. Spin rate velocity. You know that

(01:13:13):
they have traits that they're looking for. I think they've
tried to do that with their offense with their position players,
but that's not how that works. And pitching, you can
have a lot of guys that are the same and
as long as they throw strikes and miss bats, it

(01:13:34):
doesn't really matter. You get some right e's, you get
some lefties. The rest kind of works itself out. You
can't do that with your position players. You've got to
have different stop. You got to be able to dance
all the dances like. You got to have some guys
that can get on base. You gotta have some guys

(01:13:55):
with some speed, some guys that can play defense. You
gotta have some guys that can hit home runs. And
it feels like I was just looking at a mock
draft for the major league draft that's coming up here
in a couple of weeks. What did they mock the
Reds taking a high school shortstop. Shocking? I know, right,

(01:14:18):
because that's their m O. If they're gonna take a
position player, they're gonna they're gonna go that route, and
it just don't think it works. They they really only
had two guys that can play the corners in the
in the ready for Major League Baseball, Christian and Karnacion
Strand Noel Vie Marte, and those two guys right now

(01:14:39):
are hurt and they haven't hit real well when they've
been available. Marte was coming on. He had a good
week before he got hurt. But you get my point.
You gotta have a variety. You gotta have multiple guys.
You have guys you can turn to and not put
all the weight on. Just this is how we're gonna

(01:15:00):
do it. And then we'll mix in a couple guys
here and there, because you're not gonna hit all the time.
They're not gonna all be makes you're gonna miss. Take
a break stock some Bengals when we come back. Sincinaty
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Here we go our number three Cincinnati ESPN fifteen thirty.
Chad Brindle filling in from o Egger on this uh
so far delightful Friday afternoon storms in the forecast. A
little bit later, if thank you for choosing me and Tarin,

(01:15:59):
thank you for choose We're a team here. It doesn't
happen often, right, Tarren, Like the the producer and the
fill in host become a team.

Speaker 11 (01:16:10):
Not often.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
You get a little more freedom with me instead of
your normal host. He puts restrictions on you. No Will Smith,
no pit Bull. Yeah, the Will Smith one is real
hard for me, I know, like just no, like I get,
I get the pit Bull thing kind of like for
bumper music pit Bulls. Fine, I'm not putting pit Bull

(01:16:39):
on like in the car, I don't think. But sometimes
you need some Will Smith in your life. Sometimes you
gotta get jiggy with it sometimes coming up like you know,
you know what next weekend is, Tarren. It's the start
of so much summer time. You're gonna play it, and

(01:17:00):
he's gonna get mad, aren't you. Well, he doesn't mind
so much.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
He gonna play summertime, okay, but getting jiggy with it,
oh the like he doesn't like the old stuff, but.

Speaker 11 (01:17:13):
That's the one he doesn't like. Like he likes the
I'll Fight Mike Tyson song.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Okay, Okay, parents just don't understand that's a that's a
non starter with mo.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Huh.

Speaker 11 (01:17:22):
That getting jiggy with it?

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Men in black, Yeah, some of that stuff's a little corny,
like Will Smith got a little corny, but like DJ
Jazz Jeff and the Fresh Prince, that was good stuff.
He makes it tough on you. I don't do that.
I give you carte blanche to do whatever feels right.

Speaker 11 (01:17:43):
He might get some wils with Miami this summer. I'm
not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I mean, that's not a bad one. That's not a
bad one. Let's get to it. Red's about to get underway, hear,
in about two minutes, so be ready for that.

Speaker 11 (01:18:03):
The pictures from down there like it doesn't even look
like it's going to rain and later on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Yeah, I mean it is literally like a one line
of storms that's going to move through here in like
thirty forty minutes. Now it could be incredibly strong storms
for that thirty five to forty minutes, but it doesn't
look like there's going to be like a lot of
I know, earlier the thought was it was going to

(01:18:29):
rain pretty hard for a while, like seven to ten
something like that. Now this looks like it's, at least
as it looks right now, it's not going to be
as drastic as they were maybe thinking earlier today. But
if you're driving with the thought of heading to the
Zach Brown Band concert at TQL Stadium that has been postponed.

(01:18:53):
That is not happening tonight. That's gotta be tough.

Speaker 11 (01:18:58):
Got to sit, like you got kids, got to sit
and everything situated, and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Especially like a situation like this, like like you know,
ten hours ago, that was an easy call with the
way the forecast looked ten hours ago. But now, I
mean I get it, Like, what's that would be funny
if oh, yeah, they're like just gidding. Come on, we

(01:19:25):
we thought, but now we changed our mind, come on back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I would hate to be the person having to make
that decision because a lot of times, what unfortunately happens,
is that decision has made I remember there was earlier
this year, earlier this school year, like they let the
kids out because there was a strong storm that was
supposed to you know, heavy tornadic activity and then it

(01:19:53):
didn't even rain, like it didn't do anything. They let
the kids out at Like, yeah, I had to pick
my daughter up at like eleven third that day and
nothing happened. The storm fell apart before it got to
Cincinnati and there was nothing. Thank goodness, we don't have
to make those kind of decisions. Taran right, Red starting

(01:20:16):
lineup for today, Friedol and center, Espina at third day,
La Cruise at short, Hayes and left lux the DH
Steer at first, Stevenson the catcher, Benson and Wright and
McLain at second. Brady Singer on the mound for the

(01:20:37):
Reds City Connect night. Chance to go up one nothing
in the Ohio Cup. You know what I like, Taran?
I like three game sets with the Indians. It feels
like the past couple of years we've had those like
two game weekday like Tuesday and Wednesday series. I hate,

(01:21:01):
I hate those. Give me three games. It's it's supposed
to be a big thing, right, the Ohio Cup. Give
me three games on a weekend, three games here, then
three games in Cleveland.

Speaker 12 (01:21:14):
Yeah, we returned, Well I don't because we're not going
to be there, but we turn to flavor in Cleveland
June ninth through eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
I like that much better than the two game series,
the midweek two game series that we had been getting recently.
So hopefully the Reds can build off of what they
did yesterday in a was it seven to one win?

(01:21:41):
Red score seven? It's you know they either score seven
plus or they score one or less. There's no middle
ground with this team. There is no The Reds won
five to four this season. It is either an offensive
onslaught or a lot of swings and misses. Let's get

(01:22:02):
some Bengals talk since the Reds are now underway. I
believe let's get to some Bengals talk as we have
moved past the schedule release. We'll talk some schedule release
as the hour rolls along. But now we get into
that really long stretch from now. Essentially, I mean, you'll

(01:22:24):
get Joe Burrow talking next week, which is going to
be fascinating to hear. Where Joe Burrow falls on Trey
Hendrickson in his situation. It's like I said in the opening,
if Joe wants it, Joe pretty much gets what he wants.

(01:22:48):
Is this a major priority for Joe? Is he going
to stand on the table and, uh, you know, make
the the pitch for Trey Hendrickson or is he gonna
mention it in passing and say, you know, look, we'd
love to have Trey here. Trey's one of the best

(01:23:09):
players in the NFL. If we want to be a
championship team, we need to have our best players, need
to have as many good players as we can, and
Trey is one of those and we'd like him here.
Or is it kind of like he did with t Higgins,
which is like this isn't optional. I'm telling you, I'm
not going to be happy if you let t Higgins walk.

(01:23:35):
It'll be interesting that that'll be fascinating sports talk radio
content for next week to see which side Joe kind
of lands on. So I think this franchise right now,
they are who they are until Joe Burrow says I

(01:23:57):
don't agree. And look, they're not arrn, They're not stupid.
The Brown family. I think it's a smart family. They
know what happened with Carson Palmer. They don't want that
to happen with Joe Burrow. If you don't want that
to happen with Joe Burrow. When Joe Burrow says I'm

(01:24:18):
going to need this ears stand up. People listen. When
Joe Burrow talks, the Brown slash Blackburn family listens. So
here's my thought on that, Tarn. If Trey knew that

(01:24:38):
Joe was gonna because Joe was supposed to talk Tuesday,
right yep, and he didn't talk because of what happened.
If Trey knew Joe was going to be in his corner,
he wouldn't have had to come to Cincinnati and talk
to the media, would he. Because Joe would have gone
up there in front of the media made his case

(01:24:59):
for Trey. Trey wouldn't have had to say a word.
We'll get to more of that as the hour goes on.
I have more thoughts on why Trey did what he did,
and honestly, I'm not sure. I don't know why he
used kind of his last bit of leverage. But anyhow,
Al Golden I want to get to Al Golden here.

(01:25:21):
A lot is being made of the Bengals not doing
a whole lot defensively in terms of adding to the roster,
in terms of changing the roster from a defense that
was one of the worst in the NFL. It has
been compared to kind of the Reds and Tito Francona, right,

(01:25:45):
didn't do a whole lot to the roster. They hired
Tito and said, we hired this guy. We think he's great,
he's going to fix it. We don't have to do
a whole lot outside of adding a couple, you know,
mid level pieces to enhance the because we have belief
that the guy that we just hired to be the
coach is going to be that fix And guess what,

(01:26:08):
doing that is a lot cheaper than adding the players
adding the coach for four I mean, look at what
Jamer Candelario got. Fourteen million dollars a year. He's making
a heck of a lot more money than Terry Francona is.
It's a lot easier to hire the manager and say
the manager is going to fix it. It's a lot
easier to fire your defensive coordinator and say, hey, we

(01:26:32):
brought in this new defensive coordinator, he's going to fix it.
Here's where I am positive on that situation. I think
lou Ana Rumo is a fantastic defensive coordinator if he's
put in the right situation to succeed. What is the

(01:26:52):
right situation for what lou Ana Rumo wants to do.
Veteran defense guys that can think on their feet, that
know what lou is looking for. Because lou wanted to
be multiple, he wanted to be kind of in that
Patriots style when Bill Belichick was running that show. We

(01:27:15):
want to take a look at what you do and
then take away what you do best. When this defense
was operating at a you know, pretty high level, That's
how they did it. Veteran guys understood, you know, how
to play and the mental aspect of the game. When

(01:27:39):
that group from the Super Bowl and AFC Championship started
to break up, the Bengals went young. You know what's
really hard to do when you go young is to
be multiple, is to be a team that kind of
you know, shapes its identity week to week based on
the game plan. Now you go to Al Golden, and

(01:28:03):
Al Golden is known he did it here. Remember when
he was the linebacker's coach. That was when that group
UH first came in of Logan Wilson and a Keen
Davis Gaither and like that, they were a young linebacker
corps and Al Golden got the most out of them.

(01:28:24):
He goes to Notre Dame. He does very much the
same thing with a Notre Dame. With a college defense.
It's not over complicated.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
In you know, in.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
In a world of you either simplified things make it
easy allow you guys to go play fast, or you
make things complicated and you you try to scheme your
game plan every week to take away certain things, to
be to be multiple is the word that they love

(01:29:00):
to use in football. Al Golden is not that. Al
Golden is a guy that likes to kind of put
a plan in place and then let his guys just
read and react. He's going to have a young defense,
He's going to have development that needs to happen at

(01:29:22):
a lot of different spots from guys that have been
drafted here and have yet to meet their full potential.
I think that's the right type of hire to bring
in given the profile of how the Bengals are trying
to build this thing right now. I think Al Golden

(01:29:44):
is a really good fit for that. So the question
then becomes how long does it take? What is the
window for Al Golden to get this young, athletic defense.
A lot of speed guys, you know in the skills

(01:30:06):
spots trying to kind of restart things at linebacker as
we saw in the draft, don't have a you know.
I think they have a good defensive line, especially with
Hendrickson included in that, but the defensive line has not
been a strength as a whole over the past couple

(01:30:29):
of years, and they're very young there now. I think
Al Golden's a good fit for that. I think he
is the type of defensive coordinator that this franchise needs
right now. But if he isn't able to get them playing,
and it would be crazy to expect him to, he

(01:30:52):
isn't able to get them playing at the highest level.
Weeks one through five, when the Bengals have what four
road games for their first five on the road?

Speaker 11 (01:31:00):
Up one in Minnesota?

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Are you going.

Speaker 11 (01:31:05):
We'll see you've thought about it. I'm thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Yes, Minnesota is not the easiest get to, right, it's
not a drive. I mean it's drivable, but it's right
on the cusp. But like, I don't want to drive
that far.

Speaker 11 (01:31:18):
Oh no, I'm flying. I'm not driving. This about thirteen
hours from here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Yeah, yeah, anything over eight is like you got to
think about stopping and spending the night. You're still a
little young, Terran. You could probably do a twelve thirteen,
but you're right on the You're right on the edge
of that being too long to be in the car.
Although I guess Taran, if I can sit at my

(01:31:43):
desk and do a twelve hour live stream, you'll probably
do a twelve hour drive.

Speaker 11 (01:31:50):
No bathroom breaks for you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Uh, well, that was the nice part is you know
we had me and Aaron Smith and Kegan Nicholson. You
hear Kegan on these airwaves all the time, like the
three of us kind of rotated through. Okay, so there
was a little bit of time here and there to
actually like stand up, go to the bathroom, refill your
glass water, maybe grab a doctor pepper from the fridge,

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things of that nature. But yeah, I mean it was
I was sitting down for I think Keegan said he
had he had like three he only had like three
thousand steps that day, and I was like, man, I
don't think I had three hundred steps that day. I
think it's the right place, right time for Al Golden.

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But how long does it take to get this young
defense up to speed, to get them playing without thinking,
playing fast, being able to play to their athleticism, Like
that's the million dollar question here. If it happens early.
We've talked about this, there's no because you have Joe

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and Jamar and t This defense doesn't have to be
top ten in the league, just can't be bottom five.
Can Al Golden get him to twenty and can he
do it early? Because if he can't you're once again

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looking at a slow start and looking at a team
that's gonna have to dig out of a hole. And
it's just not sustainable one because you're never gonna catch
Kansas City or Buffalo or Baltimore to get home field advantage.

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You lose three of your first four, three of your
first five. Those teams are only gonna lose three, four
or five games the whole season. So it's a lot
of pressure to put on al golden I think by
the end of the year, I'll be there. How many
games does it cost them on the front end as

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that process plays itself out, Let's talk from Trey hendrickson.
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Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
That's truth. It's all on Trey, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Things ain't going like he thinks they should. So it's
causing the problems for Trey Hendrickson right now. I'm like
a lot of this Taran as an as an outsider,
because this isn't easy, Like the narrative on the Bengals
nationally is is not changing. Poorly run organization, cheap, don't

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take care of their guys like that has been and
and a lot of it is because of guys that
have played here have gone into the media and you
know that they they talk to their peers, and that
narrative is is earned to some stunned by the Bengals.
So the outside narrative is going to be that they've

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got the the NFL sack leader on their team under
under contract, he wants more and the Bengals are being cheap.
I don't think it's that easy. As an outsider, does
it feel like perception favors Trey in this because in
town it doesn't. Tarren Oh Tarror.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Must be busy.

Speaker 11 (01:36:33):
No, sorry, somebody walked in studio.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
I tell them I'm talking. I'm talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Who was it?

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Was it Austin?

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
No, no, no, okay, okay, that's fine, Charlie, Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
But does it does it feel like perception wise that
that people outside the city favor Trey Hendrickson in.

Speaker 11 (01:36:55):
This based on history?

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Yeah? And I get it, like the Bengals have earned
this reputation. Far be it from me who has had many, many,
many issues with the Bengals over the years, But.

Speaker 12 (01:37:08):
Also think the Bengals have helped themselves, most recently sign
resigning T Higgins when yeah, last year we thought, oh
this year T Higgins has gone, there's no way to
want to pay him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
I do think they've helped themselves some. They took a
situation that I think they misplayed because I think they
could have had T Higgins for four years at eighteen
million dollars a year two years ago, correct, and they
didn't want to pay him, and they played this win
the negotiation game, which I think is the dumbest thing ever.

(01:37:41):
Nobody cares if you win the negotiation Taran. They care
if you win games in the NFL. They don't care
if you really we won the negotiation. Nobody's keeping score.
I can't go to Bengals dot com or NFL dot
com and find the record in negotiations. They don't keep

(01:38:03):
score there. But I think internally tearing the vibe I
get in this city is most people kind of side
with the Bengals because Trey put himself in this situation.
Mark earlier had a great point. Why did he feel
the need to rush to get that second deal with

(01:38:25):
the Bengals. I mean, I think I told you why
the Bengals only do one year guaranteed contracts if your
name's not Joe and Jamar and there's an urgency to
protect yourself, I guess. But I think if he waits
a year and proves to this organization that he's one

(01:38:47):
of the most consistent rushers of the quarterback in the NFL,
I think he already has that second deal with the Bengals.
And we're not talking about this, but he negotiated a
deal coming out of free agency, then he renegotiated that
deal and got an extension, and now he wants to

(01:39:08):
do it again. That's generally not how this works. And
it's also not how this works because in a lot
of ways, Trey is a one dimensional pass rusher. We've
talked about this before. He had seventeen sacks. Last year,

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he had seventeen tackles that weren't sacks. The entire season.
He averaged one sack of the quarterback per game. Awesome,
one tackle of everybody else on the field the rest
of the game, and he played over sixty percent of

(01:39:51):
the snaps. And this organization has also been very clear
in their desire to maintain a young roster, to not
have guys under contract into their thirties when guys fall off.

(01:40:15):
That has been their stance for the throughout the Zach
Taylor era. When they've gone into free agency, they have
not gone after guys the veterans that had been around
a while. They almost exclusively have gone after guys coming

(01:40:36):
off of their rookie deal and getting their second contract,
Guys that are in that twenty four twenty five range.
Sign them to a four year deal. You're gonna have
them here until twenty eight or twenty nine, and then
you recycle and do it again. Has it always worked, No?
Has it worked at times? Absolutely? Go look at the

(01:40:57):
Super Bowl, in the AFC Championship game years that plan worked.
Trey right now doesn't fit into that box.

Speaker 12 (01:41:12):
And honestly, to your point, going back to the Al
Goldon thing, you would have to think Al Golden is
is probably talking behind the scenes about Hey, like I
guarantee he probably had a hand. And if we take
Shamar Stewart, if Trey doesn't decide to sit out, we'll
probably work around him. Yeah, but I mean even more
pressure on Al Golden. But like you said, how much

(01:41:34):
more pressure can I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
I mean they're already saying it's it's it. We're counting
on him. We did not make significant additions to the
roster and free agency, we put an emphasis on defense
in the draft, but I don't think there's anybody that
like just instantly like, oh, this guy's going to be
a star. Right, We're counting on our guy that has
made a career of developing young guys and and and

(01:42:00):
turning that into a good defensive scheme, a good defensive unit,
not making him think too much, just letting him line
up and play, letting him go.

Speaker 12 (01:42:10):
Yeah, I mean, as good as Trey Henderson has been
for the Bengals, I mean he's still like almost like
a Anroumo guy. Let alt go and get here and
find his his centerpiece.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
I agree. I just what what what did Trey Hendrickson
think he was going to get out of the the
media scrum that he pulled on Tuesday? What's the play?

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
What? What?

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Where's when you do things like this, you're looking for leverage?
What leverage did Trey Hendrickson give himself over the Cincinnati
Bengals front office by showing up talking to the media
talking about uh, disrespect and trust?

Speaker 12 (01:42:57):
Really none? I mean only think I only thinking he
really say that. I mean he's willing's I guess he
say he's wid the miss miss Games? Okay, I said,
and Paul said it on the Early This Week with
Mo it sounds good said it in May. Sure, when
you when you start, when you see it, start seeing
O dollars signs come out your your your make account.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
Didn't talk to me sixteen to eighteen million dollar range.
He's gonna leave it on the table. I don't buy it.
I don't buy it. And when it comes down to it,
you're gonna play.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
In the conversation about being mad that that Zach texted
him and told him he's gonna get fined when if
he doesn't show up to mandatory activities. You you think
they were gonna let.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
You not do that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
Jamar was here last year exactly standing there watching, and
you're not gonna show the ball together. Okay, good luck, bro,
Let's take our final break. I don't know, maybe it's
not our final break. One more, two more, something like that. No, No,
we're late.

Speaker 11 (01:44:07):
This might be our last break.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Okay. I was kind of looking. I thought that I'd
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Let's uh, let's uh. Let's let's take a little look
at the schedule. I know it's been it's been hit
on a lot since the schedule release on uh was
that Wednesday? Yeah, but I have thoughts this is the

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NFL did them no favors because we have talked a
lot about this is a team that needs to start fast,
got to start fast. They have started slow and have
had to dig themselves out of holes the last four years.
Two of those years they did it, two of those

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years they didn't. It is not and it's just not
how you want to have to operate in the NFL.
Even last year they they played well down the stretch,
but the hole was too big to dig out of.

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The Bengals start with four of their first six games
on the road. I know everybody is quick to look
at Cleveland and say that's a win.

Speaker 11 (01:47:10):
But they said the same thing about New England last year.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
And also they have not exactly had an easy time
with the Cleveland Browns. Joe Burrow has not been great
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just the harsh reality of the situation. It has not
been his strong suit.

Speaker 12 (01:47:42):
No that we just don't know what the defense look like.
So right, they can make Joe Flacco look like twenty
thirteen Joe Flacco.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
Yeah, so you know what was it? Twenty twenty three
they opened with the Browns and everybody thought the same thing.
They lost twenty four to three and got dominated. So
that's not a walk in the park Jacksonville here. I

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think Jacksonville's going to be improved, but you should if
you're as good as we think the Bengals should be,
you should win that one. But then you get at Minnesota,
at Denver, Detroit, at Home Green Bay on the road
week three, four, five, six. So even if they start
two to zero, if they start one to one, this

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could get Harry again tarn.

Speaker 12 (01:48:39):
Or ifew as much. Refuse to start talking trash until
I see what Ja McCarthy does.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
I know, but I'm just saying like that is not
a fun stretch. That is not a fun four week stretch.
The Lions are going to be again probably one of
the best teams in the NFL. The Packers are very good,
the Vikings traditionally, Yes, a lot hinges on JJ McCarthy,

(01:49:04):
but the rest of that roster is good. Denver has
been a playoff contender.

Speaker 11 (01:49:11):
Oh just remember the game last year. It took them overtime.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Right, So by the time you get to week seven,
I mean this thing, could they could again be in
a situation where they are fighting for their lives in
Week seven? Then you get is that a three game

(01:49:39):
homestand yes, Steelers, Jets, Bears all three at home, so
you got a chance to make some of it up there.
I don't think the Steelers are going to be good,
even if they get Aaron Rodgers. I don't think the
Jets are going to be very good. Everybody's back on
the Bears hype train again, but we hear that every
year the Bears are gonna allow look out for the Bears.

Speaker 11 (01:50:03):
Why could have Ben Johnson?

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
I guess because of the you know you've got the quarterback,
you've got the coach. Now everything, Remember everybody said last
year coming in all that's a tailor made team for
Caleb Williams. There'll be a contender real quick.

Speaker 15 (01:50:19):
Like what can they do to go? Like the start different?
What play them preseason? All three preseason games? I mean,
I think it's some of it is that I think you.
I don't think you play all three, but I think
you definitely. Some of it is you got to be
harder on your veteran, your core guys in camp. How
many times at camp is Tony down there like so

(01:50:41):
and so is in a hat? Jamar's in a hat today?
Now you gotta you gotta start fast.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
And you got three pretty good preseason games, right, Eagles, Commanders,
Colts Yep. But man, just look at those first six.
It gets a little easier from there. But I mean,
I don't want to have to do this again when
we're in week seven going, I'm back against the wall

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It's my outro music. Thanks everybody for tuning in this week.
We will uh, I'll be back.

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