5/23/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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and I'll be playing in that, and maybe you will
play in it as well. So the Reds play the
Cubs tonight, we have to get to that. Sam Lekuire
is going to join us at about fifteen minutes. Taylor
Twelman from Apple TV MLS Season Pass a little bit
later on in the four o'clock hour, I've been accused
of slandering Trey Hendrickson, which could not be less accurate.
Let's start with tonight at GABP. I think this is

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a big series now. Honestly, I think I think the
Reds are at a very critical stage of their season.
They're twenty five and twenty six. At twenty five and
twenty six, I, as it relates to the way the
first two months have played out, maybe you are as well.
I'm glass half full because I think the Reds have
a good enough starting staff to be legitimate contenders, at

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least to make the postseason. This team has not hit.
I don't know if that's going to change dramatically, although
the arrival of Garrett Hampson or Samson might change that.
Maybe I'll learn his name by the end of the show.
This team has not hit. Some of their better players
haven't started to produce yet. I hope they do. We're

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talking Ellie, we're talking Tyler Stevenson, We're talking Matt McClain.
They've had a lot of things go wrong, They've lost
some series they should have won, and yet they're twenty
five and twenty six, which is obviously not great. But frankly,
it's not as bad as I thought it would be
if you would have told me this team was going
to be as bad offensively as it has been. The

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question is how does that improve? Also, the question is
if you want to make noise in the division, if
you legitimately want to make noise in the division, which
should be the goal. Like you could point to the
wildcard standings, which to me has a lot more to
do with just the overall parody in the sport and
the fact that the regular season is watered down because

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we have too many wildcard teams and the stage we
are in the season. The ideas should be to win
the division. The ideas should be to win the National
League Central. Well, it's not to say that the Reds
can't win the National League Central if they don't start
playing better baseball, don't start reeling off wins, don't get
comfortably out in front of the five hundred mark, and
don't beat the Chicago Cubs head to head. But it

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would help to make a dent. It would help to
make a dent in that five and a half game
deficit the Reds are staring at right now. It would
help to make a little bit of a move against
the team they're chasing down. They've got Free with Chicago
here this weekend, Free with Chicago at Wrigley Field next weekend.
The staff ace is back, Haunter Green is back. I

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think this is a big series. It might not be
do or do. It might not mean that if they
win this series or sweep it, that it's time to
break out the bubbly and start talking about magic numbers.
The Reds would still be two and a half games
out of first place. And by the way, there are
two other teams. One is as close to first place
as the Reds are, the Milwaukee Brewers, who are playing

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the Pirates this weekend, and the other is closer to
the Chicago Cubs in second place, that obviously being the
Saint Louis Cardinals, who have cooled down just a little
bit after they won nine straight games. I think the
Pennant race start tonight, Like if we're gonna take them
seriously as contenders, and you're being fair if you're not

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ready to do that, I guess. But if you're taking
them seriously as contenders, well, now's the time to make
a move. And if you're not taking them seriously as contenders,
the way that you could be won over, perhaps is
by watching the Reds play better against the better teams.
And the Cubs right now are the best team in
this division. They're the first in this division, and coming

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into the season they were the odds on favor to
win this division. So I'm interested to see if the
Reds can make a little bit of a move this weekend.
And when I say move, like make a move in
the standings, go ahead to head against the best team
in the division. Win two out of three. That wouldn't
gain a game, which in the grand scheme of things
isn't all that much. But you know, they did win

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five straight games. Wasn't that long ago. Many of us
were excited about them winning five straight games. That's not enough.
They've got to go in a little bit of a
role here. It'd be great if within a couple of
weeks they're comfortably above five hundred start this weekend with
the Chicago Cubs. Maybe we're making a mountain out of

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a mole hill, so to speak. But Will Benson's again
not in the starting lineup tonight. And I understand, I
think I understand why Matthew Boyd is a terrific left
handed pitcher for the Chicago Cubs, or at least a
left handed pitcher having a terrific season, and Will Benson historically,

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historically hasn't been great against left handed pitching at the
major league level this season. This season, Will Benson is
zero for four. So this surge that he went on
that earned him the hardware for being the National League
Player of the Week last week, it didn't come because
of his prowess against left handed pitching. And if you

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watched him last season, Will Benson was atrocious against lefties
over the course of his big league career. I can
give you the numbers if you want. Against lefties, he's
batting one thirty eight, his ops is four fifty one.
His numbers against right he's he's got a batting average
over one hundred points higher than it is against lefties,

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and his OPS is nearly double what it is against lefties.
He is a pretty decent batter against right handed pitchers,
he is an atrocious batter against left handed pitchers. So
let's acknowledge that there's a lot of evidence to suggest
that it doesn't make a lot of sense to play
Will Benson against lefties. But if you watched him go

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to Louisville and figure it out enough that he warranted
a call up, and you know, the call up might
have been necessary because of the injuries, and you know,
having guys like Don and Herdibi's w h just aren't
that good. But he was called up here at least
partially on the merits of him going to Louisville and

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putting in the work. And if that work paid off
enough for him to earn National League Player of the
Week honors, aren't you at least a little curious to
see whether or not the improvements he's made and this
sudden burst of production we've seen in Cincinnati can translate

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to success against left handed pitching. I would, I would,
And like I'm not saying they are getting this wrong.
I certainly understand that there's a possibility here that Will
Benson kind of turns into a pumpkin. And there have
been lots of flashes in the pan who have had

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a great week or a great month. We all remember
Aristida Zequino, how we all remember rees signs last year.
We all remember Derek Dietrich, who you know, folks were
yelling and screaming they should sign long term, and then
a month later it was like, oh boy, can he
and his gold chains go somewhere else? But just tonight
tonight that granted, he may have cooled off just because

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he's not played. Uh, he didn't play yesterday because the
Reds didn't have a game. He did pinch it on Wednesday,
got hit in the foot and got thrown out trying
to steal. He didn't play on Tuesday. So maybe maybe
whatever he was doing is as war off. I don't know.
I just I wonder if it makes sense. And you're
welcome to tell me, yeah your nay. At five point
three seven, four nine, fifteen thirty. You know what the

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evidence suggests, you know what the stats say, and I
like stats. I'm a stats guy, like I love you know,
when people say they hate analytics, I go, well, you
hate information. So there is a lot of really good
credible information that you have at your disposal. If you're
making a decision about who's gonna play against the left
handed pitcher, there's a lot of good credible information that

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would suggest playing Will Benson against the left handed pitcher
is not a smart move. But I'm kind of asking
here based on what he's done against righty's here recently,
based on his recent torrid stretch, based on the work
that he did in Louisville. If for just tonight, when

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they've got Connor Joe in left field, nothing against Connor Joe,
But when they've got Connor Joe in left field, would
you rather see Will Benson tonight? And I like, I'm
gonna have folks in mode. That's your guy. And I'm like,
I just like Will Benson. It's random. I understand we
all sometimes drift toward random players. I like Will Benson,

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like his story. I think he's a very easy guy
to root for, easier to root for when he's hitting
at the rate that he hit on the last Homestand
but is is tonight a night, this game, this evening
where you've just scored one run over the last two games, offensively.
You've got a team that just I think it's fifteen

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times they've been held to one run or fewer in
fifty one games. You've got a guy and Will Benson
who could maybe at least run into one and by
the way, with Hunter Green on the mountain, that might
be enough, isn't Will Benson's recent stretch. Isn't what else
the Reds have on their team worth worth looking at

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and giving Will Benson a shot tonight? I'm not saying
you should ignore the stats or ignore or the evidence
or ignore what you saw from Will Benson last year,
but tonight instead of Connor Joe, who, by the way,
I watched tonight, He'll had three home runs instead of
Connor Joe, wouldn't you rather see Will Benson? I think

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I would five point three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty.
By the way, Connor Joe this season against lefties has
one for eleven. I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no,
he's one for ten. He does have a walk, so okay,
It's not a very big sample size, not a huge
sample size at all, But wouldn't you rather see them

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play the hot hand? And by the way, maybe he's
not hot anymore because of the inactivity. Didn't play Tuesday,
barely played Wednesday, didn't play it all yesterday. I don't know.
But if we're gonna nitpick about the lineup, I'll do that.
And if I'm dead wrong, then I'm dead wrong. Man
Connor Joe has a big night. Or if Will Benson
pinch hits in a big situation and strikes out maybe

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against the lefty, I'll do it me at COPA. But
with where things stand right now, instead of second guessing,
I'll first guess. I think this game's big tonight. Your
ace is pitching against the team you're chasing, the start
of a three game series in your stadium, and the
beginning of a stretch where you play the Cubs, uh
six times and nine days. Yeah, I think this game

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is pretty big tonight. I want to play my best
guys right now. I think Will Benson's one of their
best guys, regardless of which arm the opposing pitcher uses
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And fifteen thirty Moeger thank you for listening today. Hopefully
you're enjoying your Friday afternoon. Reds and Cubs. Tonight, Sam
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This is a team that has good pitching, good relief
pitching as well. Good starting pitching and relief pitching. So

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it means you have good pitching, which we'll talk about
here in a second offensively, uh one run over the
last two games in Pittsburgh, which unfortunately is not an outlier.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
We all know this team has to hit more. My
question for you, can they I do?

Speaker 8 (15:02):
I mean, just because they've shown signs of it, I
guess this is my deal. And everybody on the team
has shown it well, I mean for short periods of time.

Speaker 9 (15:15):
It's just been the consistency that's.

Speaker 8 (15:16):
Eluded them and for and I can't figure that out
as to why, you know, I mean, I feel like
they've been around.

Speaker 9 (15:24):
You know, some of these guys have been around long enough.

Speaker 8 (15:26):
That you know you're past the sophomore slump, You're past
to this. You know you're into a point where you
need to start really establishing yourself as a bona fide
Major leaguer, which I feel like a lot of their
guys are.

Speaker 9 (15:36):
I mean they are.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
Will Benson's like it's kind of a perfect example right now,
because he showed a flash in twenty twenty three and
it wasn't a flash. I mean, it was four months
where he was a top fifteen hitter in baseball and
then he goes I mean a wall, right, and then
he comes back and he's shown it for a week,
just none of them have really shown it consistently over
a period of time. And I think that's what this

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has eluded this team as consistency. It's not talent, it's
not ability, It's just the ability to do it over
and over again, which is essentially what makes you a
bona fide Major leaguer.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I think for the most part, you pitched for teams
that had good offenses. But do you have it in
the back of your mind where you're not getting the
run supports that some of these starters aren't getting.

Speaker 9 (16:22):
I guess a little bit.

Speaker 8 (16:24):
I mean, each run feels like it takes on more value,
you know, I guess you know, you come out of
the bullpen.

Speaker 9 (16:33):
I'll just kind of speak to that.

Speaker 8 (16:35):
It feels like a three run run versus a one
run run.

Speaker 9 (16:40):
You know, Is that that makes any sense? That was
like a run on that was like a run run
run Rudolph.

Speaker 8 (16:45):
But you know, I mean, so you're pitching, so it
feels like you're pitching with your back against the wall
more often.

Speaker 9 (16:49):
But I don't think it changes.

Speaker 8 (16:51):
The mentality of You're still going to go out there
and you're gonna try to put up a zero. Now,
you can't you know, you can't beat yourself up if
you go out and give up a run because you're
just one, you know, part of the tripod, right it's offense, defense, pitching,
what you know, all that stuff.

Speaker 9 (17:07):
So you can't beat yourself up.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
You have to have somebody pick you up along the way,
whether that's the guy that comes in behind you that
you know strams the inherited runners, or it's the offense
that comes in and puts together an inning to answer back.
I mean, it's not on one person or one piece
of the team. Right now, it feels like it's on
one piece of the team, but you don't. You know,
you don't win individually and you don't lose individually.

Speaker 9 (17:29):
It's a group effort.

Speaker 8 (17:31):
And you have to remind yourself that because once you
start pointing a finger at somebody, then your chemistry is
lost a little bit.

Speaker 9 (17:37):
And that's in times like these is where chemistry.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
Becomes so important because you have to know that you're
in this thing together. And and I think that they
still believe, you know, I mean they you know, they
come off. We're talking about the two games in a
row they lost versus the five that they won, right,
and it's a five. It's a five, it's a five
and two week, and it's kind of a oh my god,
what happened because of who they like to the.

Speaker 9 (18:01):
White Sox and the Pirates.

Speaker 8 (18:03):
So, I mean, it's it's been a frustrating team to
try to cover because you never know who's going to
show up. And I think that that's what you know, ultimately,
you want as an organization, as a managers, you want
to know the back of the baseball card is going
to show up. But these guys don't have a long
enough back of the baseball card to know yet.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
So I often ask you about starting pitching. I want
to talk specifically about one here in just a second,
but I'm curious as to your thoughts on how the
bullpen has performed this year and the evolution of of it,
how Terry Francona has sort of used it, and and
how guys have sort of fit into certain roles.

Speaker 9 (18:45):
Okay, I think the bullpen has been great.

Speaker 8 (18:49):
I mean, I don't think there's there's much denying that,
And you're, you know, first in some ways you feel
like it could get better if Alexis d As becomes
Alexis Das again. But I think that that's a kind
of one of those prime examples of guys stepping up
and being giving, you know, having wanted more responsibility. You know,

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talk about Tony Santion kind of wanting to pitch and
hire leverage situation, Emilia Pegon stating that he's wanted the
opportunity to close over the course of his career. Now
getting the opportunity to do it and running with it.
One because they've wanted it, and two the team needs it, right,
So that's kind of a that's that's a nice little
package to come together, is that you want that and

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the team needs that. So you're gonna go out there
and you're gonna do everything you can on two fronts
to make sure that it's happening. You've got a Taylor
Rogers down there who's save thirty games and you can
hardly get him into a game. Graham Ashcraft has been
a big lynchpin and all this because he's provided length,
he's provided you know, some domination at times, and he's.

Speaker 9 (19:53):
Taking to a role that's trial by fire.

Speaker 8 (19:56):
I think Terry, you know, we talk the what is
it the closer role kind of came on Tony Laruss
had kind of created that right with Dennis Seckersley, Terry Francona.
If you'll remember with it was probably the Indians at
the time, but it was Andrew Miller, and he started
using Andrew Miller in those situations where it became higher

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leverage earlier in games because he knew that those were
the most important outs and if you didn't get those,
you weren't really going to have.

Speaker 9 (20:23):
An opportunity to win the game.

Speaker 8 (20:25):
In the ninth I think he still manages it that
way with a different group. He doesn't have that one
single guy like an Andrew Miller that he goes to,
but I think he manages each game to that effect,
and they've got enough depth with Scott Barlow can be better.
He's I didn't love him when he came into the

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game at first. I didn't love Taylor Rodgers when he
was coming in the games. I just didn't feel as comfortable.
But they've looked better and better sometimes with the more
opportunity they've got. They weren't pitching a ton but those
guys have now becomes viable options so that he can
mix and match a little bit more and not have
to wear his you know, kind of his main guys out.

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But he manages with the intent of winning the game
that day and worrying about the next day the next day,
and has enough depth to do so only because the
starting rotation for the most part has given length.

Speaker 9 (21:20):
You know, has given six innings at a time.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
So guys, even if they are pitching multiple days in
a row, it's one inning a the time, and they
know that they're going to get a six inning start
the next day, and if they lose on the road,
they don't have to cover eight innings. So there's just
a ton of stuff that goes into it. But for
a guy that's won two thousand games, I'm gonna trust
what Terry does and it confirms a lot of what
I think, which you know, makes me feel like I
know a.

Speaker 9 (21:41):
Little bit about baseball, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
But I think, but I think he's done a fantastic job,
and I think who knows that.

Speaker 9 (21:49):
I don't want to speculate on.

Speaker 8 (21:50):
If it wasn't Terry, But this team has the ups
and downs have just been so crazy, man. I mean
to go from just even when they won the five
in rows, they weren't scoring twelve runs a game, but
it felt like a more advantageous offense and then it
just looks like I mean, my mom texts me, it's like, man,
I didn't know Pittsburgh had so many thy young winners.

Speaker 9 (22:11):
I was like, man, when you're getting eighty three year
old grandma at the time of your ass like you,
that's a bad time, right. So you know, Granny calls
it likes the season. Yeah, you know, it's just that
Ebb and flow is that's the lack.

Speaker 8 (22:23):
Of inconsistency from a young team that understands that there's expectations,
wants those expectations, but it's trying too hard to meet them,
maybe externally rather than trying properly internally to meet them.
And I think that that's where they're probably a better
shape at fifty games in than they should be.

Speaker 9 (22:42):
Yeah, record wise.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I think I said, I'm sort of I'm still glass
half full despite what happened in Pittsburgh, despite the offensive issues,
I'm still glass half full because I think I think
the starting staff has given Tito options Later in the game.
By the way, we talk about the bullpen. Didn't even
mentioned my guy Luis May.

Speaker 9 (23:02):
Oh my god, Yeah, he looks the right, the real deal.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oh, kild me.

Speaker 9 (23:06):
He looks like the real deal. I love.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
I mean, obviously the stuff is great, but man, he
just looks real comfortable out there, doesn't he.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, no, he I feel like that.

Speaker 9 (23:15):
I feel like he does, absolutely.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
And you know that's a guy that you know, you
keep an eye on for the next couple of years
and talk about wanting opportunities having He's already been given
opportunities by Terry, and I think that's you know, calculated
by Terry to throw him in there and see see
what the kids made of. And I feel like he's
answered the bell big time. I want to ask you,
but but I mean, the pitching staff is certainly a

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huge weapon.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
No question, no question. And a huge part of the
pitching staff has been Andrew Abbott, somebody that you and
I have talked about in over the last couple of years,
ever since he got to Cincinnati. And you know, there
are outings he will have like the one in Atlanta,
which was unfortunately a game they lost, where he really
just makes it look easy. And then I'll have an
outing like this past Sunday against Cleveland. I thought like

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the start was going to fall apart in the first
inning he loads the bases. Yeah, but he gets through
five and he doesn't allow a run, and he clearly
doesn't have his best stuff. And it's cliche for somebody
like me to say, so I want you to elaborate
on this from your standpoint, Like, I love it when
guys get through games and help their team win when
they're not at their best, and I feel like that

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is a sign of development imaguration. And we saw that
Sunday from Andrew.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
Abbit absolutely, and I think he's they have guys on
this staff, you know who can really all of them.
Now Hunter has gotten to that point where you know
he can obviously overwhelm me with some of the stuff,
but we saw in Baltimore that if he doesn't have
command of it, it's he's still is gonna get beat
around because everything's for the most part hard. The guys

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that have the multiple pitch types, Martinez feels like he's
always going to give you a chance because if one
thing's not working, he can go to another. Abbott Lodolo
feel like there's pitch ability within those guys, and I've
always felt like the.

Speaker 9 (25:03):
Term make a pitch when you have to.

Speaker 8 (25:06):
They have guys that can do that, and nobody, I
feel like exemplifies that more than Andrew Abbott, And I
mean even Terry said it on a postgame show. Well,
what do you think about Abbitt being able to get
through that? Let me put this politically, big balls, you know,
like just just just just a belief in your stuff
that you can out compete somebody within that moment by

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not letting the moment get recognizing that it's a pitch
that needs to be made, but having the big balls
to believe that you're going to make it and it's
going to be the result that you want. And obviously
it's not always going to happen, but it seems to
happen more often than not for Andrew Abbitt, and I
just I love the way that he goes about it.
You sit there and you look at the stuff and
you kind of wonder how a lot, you know, how

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he went out there and punched out eleven, or how
he without his best up gets through six with two
hits and three.

Speaker 9 (25:57):
You know, or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 8 (25:59):
But the length of the rotation has been awesome. I
feel like the pitching staff, you know, maybe if you
don't including Alexis is at full strength the offense, not really,
because McLean and Stevenson are still kind of playing catch up.

Speaker 9 (26:18):
That excuse is about to go out the window. To
be honest with you, I mean.

Speaker 8 (26:23):
They're two of your they should be two of your
best hitters, maybe two of your top three or four hitters,
and they're hitting seventh and ninth, So there's room for
them to grow, you know, like you're fifty to fifty.

Speaker 9 (26:34):
You're at five hundred, but there's room for them to
get better in.

Speaker 8 (26:38):
That aspect, you know, having steer starting to come on.
You know, there's signs that are showing, and you hope
that once they.

Speaker 9 (26:50):
Put that all together and have everybody together on.

Speaker 8 (26:52):
The field and for a consistent amount of time, then
the consistency is built by the consistency and the personnel.

Speaker 9 (26:58):
But you can't wait for that to happen. You have
to make some kind of an adjustment.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I think it was after an Andrew Rabbit start. You
were talking about his chemistry with Jose Travino, and to
be fair, he's thrown well no matter who's been behind
the plate. But something else to elaborate on. Walk me
through the process for a new catcher like Jose Travino
who shows up and he's got to learn all the pitchers. Typically,
how long does it take for the battery to develop

(27:22):
the chemistry that I think we see a lot of
these guys have with the new catcher.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
Well, it happened a lot quicker than I thought.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
And maybe that's you know, you've seen more growth in
the pitching staff than you have offensively. That seems that
kind of goes out saying if you just look at
the numbers and the consistency of what they've done, Hunter
was going to get better.

Speaker 9 (27:43):
Nick is pitching. We've always known he was going to
be good. Lodolo.

Speaker 8 (27:47):
Nick Martinez even struggled trying to trust I mean, he
was the one guy that kind of struggled more than
any in the beginning with trying to get on the
same page with Travigno and when But I think for
the younger guys, they're going to trust to Travino. I
think that he's done a great job of probably recognizing

(28:09):
their misses.

Speaker 9 (28:11):
I think recognizing where those guys miss.

Speaker 8 (28:14):
I mean, when you see Andrew Abbott miss he's usually
kind of firing that ball into the left high and
a way to the left handers. Batter's box right up
and away from the righty. That's that's kind of his miss.
What is the pitch that gets him back to his
release point? That's probably a breaking ball down and end
or the change up kind of and where.

Speaker 9 (28:33):
He sets up middle.

Speaker 8 (28:35):
So making those guys comfortable recognizing their miss and then
being able to hone them back into the zone in
a pitch or two, I think that's a big part
of it. I think Tyler's learned, and Tyler's done a
great job. I feel like the last couple of years
of kind of doing that. But it's communication, it's kind
of trusting each other. And I think that after starts,

(28:59):
everybody is giving the catcher credit. You know, oh, Treviy
did a great job of guidman through, Steve O did that,
whatever the case may be. And I don't see a
ton of shaking, So I think once they got through,
you know, the guys have known Tyler so kind of
understand what he's about. But after the first few times out,

(29:20):
when there's not a lot of shaking going on and
they're having the success that they had, I mean, trust
is built, right.

Speaker 9 (29:27):
I'm like, this guy knows what he's talking about.

Speaker 8 (29:29):
Like I'm not shaking a whole lot, and I just
went six with eight strikeouts, four hits in a run.
You know, I'm gonna so the trust then and the
chemistry is built because it success breeds confidence, you know.

Speaker 9 (29:42):
So I think that's where a lot of it had
to do. So they had it built.

Speaker 8 (29:45):
Soon because they had so much success coming out of
the gate this year. As a pitching staff, it's continued,
you know. I mean, obviously there's gonna be a little
bit of the loll here and there, but I think
this is this pitching staff is for real, and I
think that the offense has a chance to be too.

Speaker 9 (29:58):
But they need to.

Speaker 8 (30:01):
Find a way to create the confidence within the structure
of the lineup, you know, with the situational that I
mean they're like tenth and home runs, fourth and doubles
and last and runs or something like that, you know
what I mean. Like, and that's not lasting runs because
they've had some of those stats favor games. That's what
we always used to call the twenty four run game,

(30:21):
the fourteen run game, and then they've been shut out
eight times. You know that that can't happen because your
pitching staff is giving you a chance to win pretty
much every game they've played this year. You know, you
if you put feel like if you put four runs
on the board, you've got an eighty percent chance to
win the games.

Speaker 9 (30:39):
You know.

Speaker 8 (30:39):
Yeah, and I may and maybe that comes with pressure,
but uh, they've got a tough stretch coming up here.
Hopefully that they don't press any harder than they have,
then you know, hopefully they kind of maybe a play
with a nothing to lose.

Speaker 9 (30:53):
They feel like they.

Speaker 8 (30:54):
Have something to lose and they look like they're playing
like it offensively. Maybe they can play with a little
bit of those team's supposed to bease we got nothing
to lose, and go out there and kind of play
spoiler a little bit here in.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
May Well said one of these like fridays when you're
not working, which I hope you are every week because
I love watching you come like hang out in the studio.

Speaker 9 (31:12):
Do thatga, I can do it, all right, We'll.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Make it happen, brother Well.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
Enjoy enjoying the weekend. Just now you a couple of
wins for me out there. Tell Turner to shave his
beard or at least diet I was on I was
on him earlier. He's he's a great one man. He's
one I wish they would have brought the Cincinnati for years.
He's just such a good part of it. But yeah,
that Crow Armstrong. I mean, Chicago's playing well. It's gonna
be a tough weekend. Should be hopefully a full stadium

(31:39):
for you.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, they got they got a good club. There's there's
no doubt about that. Awesome to have you as always,
Thanks so much a brother, Sam lackierr Fandel Sports Network.
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(32:56):
pitching against lefty Matthew Boyd. You want the Red Star
lineup for tonight. You may already have it, but you
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(33:17):
Austin Hazen left field, Spencer stear at first, Tyler Stevenson
is dhing, Jose Travino is catching tonight, Connor Joe and Wright.
Matt McClean is playing second base and batting ninth. Red's
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Cincinnati has also transferred to the sixty day injured list.

(33:40):
Carson Spyers. Reese Hines has been sent to Louisville, and
the Reds have signed infielder slash outfielder Garrett Hampson, who
has a versatile glove, can play anywhere in the field.
He has been in the big leagues for eight years.
He is a bad hitter. He was a bad hit

(34:00):
her earlier this year for the Arizona Diamondbacks. And so
I got the other stuff. I gotta get here, get
to here in just a second. Here's what doesn't make
a lot of sense to me. So Tyler Stevenson was
injured to start the season. The Reds needed another catcher.
They had Jose Travino. They added Austin Wins to the
major league roster and he was terrific. Like in the

(34:23):
month of April, Austin Wins was awesome, awesome, had some
huge games, fine behind the plate, worked well with the pitchers,
was a bit of a savior this month. The month
of May, which is twenty three days old, Austin Wins
has a total of six played appearances. He has not

(34:46):
started a game since May sixth. He hasn't appeared in
a game since last Thursday. It makes no sense to
carry three catchers. We saw it the other night. Had
some inflexibility. You couldn't take Santiago Espinal out of the game,
we were told, because well, they don't have somebody who

(35:07):
could play defense if they use Will Benson in the
ninth inning for Santiago Espinal, which isn't true because Spencer
Steer could play some third base, Gavin lux can play
some third base, but okay, maybe having one more guy
who could play third base, and in Garrett Hampson, they've
added that this guy adds nothing to the table offensively.

(35:30):
This team can't hit. What they don't need is another
can't hit guy. And you might argue, well, Austin Wins
can hit. Okay, career ops is six thirty eight despite
his proficiency this year. But if if Austin Wins can
hit well, then you know, use them. They've used them.

(35:52):
It makes no sense to carry three catchers, does it.
That might be our poll question. Florence Yall is on
the road tonight against Washington Big East Tournament at Prasco
Park Baseball Tournament. Xavier takes on Yukon these two teams
played a great game on Wednesday. Elimination game starts at
five o'clock. Winner will play the championship game tomorrow against Creighton.

(36:14):
Baseball America's latest bracketology. After both you See and Xavier
lost their respective conference tournament games yesterday, You See the
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Baseball America still has both in now the Bearcats hey
is in the barn, so to speak. Their season a
regular season and Big Twelve run are over, so they

(36:35):
can't do anything else. Both are in according to Baseball
America's bracketology, which you should probably take with the same
grain assault as men's basketball. But Baseball America has both in.
Xavier is a three you See down from a two
yesterday now to a three. FC. Cincinnati on the road

(36:56):
Sunday against Atlanta. The game starts at seven on ESPN fifteen.
Third NBA Tonight, Eastern Conference Finals Madison Square Garden, Pacers, Knicks,
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the Edmonton Oilers one game to none. With game two tonight,
it makes no sense to carry two catchers. Taylor Twelman's

(37:19):
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Thank you for joining us today. Hopefully Memorial Day weekend
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Brendanman of Jones on Baseball. A little bit later on,
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(38:43):
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(39:04):
We're scheduled to talk with him coming up at four twenty.
I did all the local sports headlines and we've been
pretty red heavy today and I got some Bengal stuff
I got to get to here in a bit, including
a guy who doesn't think they're gonna be all that good.
Something we did not mention, which is not insignificant. Ret
Louder was pulled from his start at Louisville A rehabs

(39:24):
started at Louisville Rehet Louder obviously late last season. It
got caught up and was really really good, and then
his spring training ended up being interrupted because of that
oblique issue that he had. If this video has circulated
around social media, he was pulled from last night start

(39:48):
for Louisville in the top of the second inning, and
as Doug Gray points out redleg Nation dot Com, the
good news is, I guess that it wasn't a shoulder,
wasn't a wrist, or wasn't an elbow that compelled him
to stop pitching, but he was kind of rubbing his side.

(40:08):
Terry Francona, in his pregame session with reporters at GABP
a little while ago, said that Rhet Louder is dealing
with quote a fairly significant left oblique strain. Fairly significant
left oblique strain, so a major issue for Rhet Louder,
a guy that we were all hoping we would see

(40:28):
at some point this season. Now we don't know. We
don't know, And the good news is the Reds starting
pitching has been terrific and the red starting pitching, which
we thought was going to be a strength of the team,
has been a strength of the team. And by the way,
his issues during spring training, I mentioned oblique, his issues

(40:50):
during spring training were sort of elbow related, so he
was rehabbing from the elbow issue and during the course
of that started dealing with a problem on his and
Terry Francona says pretty significant oblique issues. So it's going
to be a while before we see RT Louder in
a big league uniform or frankly, any uniform for a while.
In that, to put it quite frank stinks. So Reds

(41:16):
are getting crushed. By the way, if you're at all
on Twitter social media, Reds are getting crushed for the
Garrett Hampson acquisition. And the chances are you have internet access,
you could go and look up Garrett Hampson's offensive numbers.
They're atrocious. He's a guy that has played all over
the field. Now, you don't want to make a big
deal about a team in the middle of the season

(41:36):
acquiring bench help, acquiring somebody who brings to the table
some versatility. But I do subscribe to this, and I've
made probably a bigger deal than I need to make
out of Will Benson again not playing tonight. This team,
this team offensively has got problems, just no other way
to put it. They've hung in there because of their
starting pitching in bullpen. They are game below five hundred,

(42:01):
and they lost that series in Pittsburgh because offensively they stink.
And they lost two out of three to the White
Sox because offensively they stink. And the team's offensive ceiling
is pretty low. The team's collective ceiling is pretty low,
I think because the offense frankly stinks. I do subscribe
to this. Garrett Hampsen offensively does nothing for you and I.

(42:25):
It might sound harsh, but like nothing, nothing. And we're
talking about somebody whose track record is very, very long.
He's gonna be thirty one years old by the end
of the season. What Garrett Hampson doesn't do more than
anything else with the bat is hit home runs. He
had zero this year before he got cut loose by

(42:46):
the Arizona Diamondbacks. Zero home runs. His career high would
be eleven. You have to go back to twenty twenty one.
Garrett Hampson has hit five home runs since along with
if you want to do this, a career ops of
six sixty, a career batting average of two thirty nine,
and you could go find all the other underlying or

(43:07):
advanced metrics if you wish. I subscribe to this belief.
Resigns may or may not be a starting caliber big
league player, and maybe he is not getting playing time
on a decent team, and maybe he's not even bench
help on a really good team. But he does have

(43:28):
some pop, Like we acknowledge that right, Like he does
have some pop. He's kind of feast or famine. But
in seventy one big League played appearances, Resigns has seven
home runs. Will Benson just had five and four games.

(43:50):
I think as as long as we're waiting for Matt
McClain to get going, and Elie Dela Cruz to get going,
and Tyler Stevenson to get going, and for some of
the other more foundational pieces, I guess we'll say to
get going. I certainly do subscribe to the belief that
it's worth taking a chance on either keeping on the

(44:15):
roster or giving playing time to somebody who might quote
just run into one. This team doesn't have an issue
a major issue defensively. It's major issue is offense. So
like it sounds like we're being really overly dramatic about
Garrett Hampson and the Reds adding a versatile piece who

(44:38):
could do a lot of different things. In the field,
and maybe we are, but I'm looking to fill needs,
address holes, fixed problems. This doesn't do that. Reese Hines
has been sent out. Reese Hines might not be a

(45:00):
guy who hits for much average. Reese Hines might not
be a guy that you want starting in right field.
But for a team that plays in a lot of
close games, that has a hard time manufacturing runs and
doesn't have that many guys who can really hit the
ball out of the ballpark, I'd rather have a guy

(45:20):
on the team that just, you know what, might run
into one. I'd rather play Will Benson for now, at
least even against a lefty if he might just run
into one and the other one is on the Reds
carrying three catchers like Austin Wins was awesome in April.

(45:46):
I do not subscribe to the belief that just because
he had an awesome April that that meant you had
to completely rethink your plans when it came to what
to do at catcher. My guess is this, when the
Reds put Tyler Stevenson on the interur list to start
the season and Jose Travigna became basically the starting catcher,

(46:08):
and they decided to go with Austin Wins as his backup.
The plan was whenever Tyler Stevenson gets back though DFA,
Austin wins. Austin wins. Offensive proficiency, I'm guessing made them
reconsider And on some level that's fine because the guy

(46:28):
did hit. And if you're going and by the way,
I'm not gonna lie to you as kind of a
proponent of this, Hey, let's work Tyler Stevenson in and
gradually get him back on the field and we don't
have to force things if his oblique problem becomes an
issue with him, you know, working behind the plate. But
he's had no issues behind the plate. He's had all
sorts of issues offensively. But if you're gonna carry three

(46:51):
catchers and you're gonna carry one who you were going
to DFA because of what he brought to the table offensively,
then use them. Get he's gotten six plate appearances this month.
It doesn't make any sense. And you know, maybe that's
not related to the Garrett Hampson thing, but if you're

(47:11):
looking for a guy, well he could play a lot
of different positions, which which gives us some versatility. That's fine,
but he doesn't hit so I have another guy who
doesn't hit. I just sent down a guy who can
hit the ball out of the ballpark, and I'm still
carrying a catcher who never plays. But why is he
on the team. Well, in April he hit okay, But

(47:33):
if he's not hitting now, and his presence on the
team has kept you from making certain individual moves in games,
and the idea behind rectifying those moves is, well, let's
go get somebody who could play a bunch of different positions. Yeah,
but he can't hit. How about you get rid of
that catcher that you never play. Was Austin wins April

(47:54):
so insanely good that you reconsider what you're original plan?
Was it Catcher? And was his April so good that
you should ignore an otherwise lengthies rack record of not
being able to hit all that much? Like what they're
doing just doesn't collectively seem to make all that much sense.

(48:14):
Maybe maybe maybe somebody else could make it make sense
for me. By the way, if you do that, as
we take phone calls, and we will get to some
a little bit later on. Today is the last airing
of the show Around the Horn on ESPN, which has
been a mainstay at five o'clock in the afternoon for
twenty three years. Often we have it on here in studio,
though obviously the volume is not on on that show.

(48:36):
The host Tony really awards panelless points when they have
a good take, and so throughout the course of the
afternoon between now and six to pay homage to around
the Horn. If you call the show and have a
good take, we'll give you points. Just FYI, we do
have to talk about this dude from a Sports Illustrated

(48:58):
who says the Bengals are knocking to win more than
nine games, and I don't agree with him, but as
his rationale is not that off base. That's coming up
a little bit later on. But first, FC Cincinnati has
a game on Sunday, a rare Sunday tilt against Atlanta.
The Great Taylor Twelman has the call for MLS Season

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(51:02):
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Speaker 3 (52:22):
Hey, Moll, you know, thanks for taking my call. Obviously,
this Memorial Day, I really think it's probably the most solemn,
secular holiday in American Americana, don't you agree?

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yes? And it's my sincere hope that as folks enjoyed
the three day weekend, if they have one, or doing
whatever they do on Monday, that they take a moment
to remember the men and women who have given all
for this country.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Yes, so sometimes guys get killed, that's what people focus on,
but a lot of times they don't. And I'll get
off to the kind of more of a subject, but
it's pertinent. A lot of times people won't talk about
the wounded, but a lot of times those people are
physically and mentally set up for a pretty crappy quality
of life after So I just wanted to mention that in.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Honor of and they often get and they often get forgotten.
I think sometimes what happens, Mike, and I notice this
every year, and I think people are well intended, but
I think folks confuse Veterans Day for Memorial Day. And
Veterans Day is an awesome holiday, but I think sometimes
what happens is people, you know, they thank veterans on
Memorial Day, which is nice. It's always nice to thank

(53:29):
a veteran. But what Memorial Day is for are for
honoring those who have suffered the ultimate price in service
to this country. And I will certainly add to it.
Veterans who have been wounded, have had physical harm done
to them, and I think oftentimes are unfortunately forgotten, and

(53:50):
so it's great to bring them up on Memorial Day
or pretty much any day.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Yeah, and you know, I did combat duty in Vietnam
and I'll never go through anything like that again. You're
nineteen or eighteen, nineteen years old, it kind of sets
the tone for some of your mental processes for the
rest of your life. Whether you like it or not, sure,
I love it when you have Sam le cure On.
I just love that. I think he is so interesting.

(54:16):
Whenever he's on the TV, I try to catch him
because he's got a great sense of humor. Number one,
kind of a dry sense of humor I get a
kick out of. And he's off the wall quite a bit. Man,
He's fun. He was one of my favorite Red starters
for years, along with billing him and little Freddie Norman,
the little left hander during some of the Red good seasons.

(54:39):
Gary Nolan, Some of these guys are kind of forgotten,
but they were integral parts of some good Red seams.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Well, you know those guys were not teammates of samly Cure.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Right, no, no, no, no, much earlier than Sam.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
You know, you know what my favorite Sam Licure outing was.
This tends to get forgotten. Game one against Game one
against the Giants, twenty twelve. Reds are in San Francisco.
Johnny Cuato gets hurt, comes off after just eight pitches,
right and uh, you know, we're thinking this is bad.

(55:12):
This is as bad as it gets. And people remember
Matt Lato's would come on to give the Reds four
shutout innings. Sam le Cure was the first guy out
of the bullpen. Sam LeCure was the guy if you remember,
Johnny Quato struck out the first hitter and then Sam
le Keure cold came on and got through the first
couple of innings while they waited for Matt Lato's to

(55:33):
warm up.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yeah, he was a dog. Is that the year you
were on ESPN? Was that the World Series of that year?
When you were doing the national broadcast? And I used
to get you in West Virginia or wherever the.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Hell I was twenty twelve. No, I started doing that
in twenty thirteen.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Okay, so I was close. I can't I'll never forget that.
I told you. I turned on the radio. It's late
at night, and I think, damn, that sounds like No.
I couldn't believe it. I was like, oh my god,
more Cincinnati's on the map. This is really cool. I
do think he brought up a good point of the
distinction between Abbot, Leboo, and Green in that when Hunter

(56:13):
craps out, he craps out kind of hard when he
doesn't have his stuff as opposed to the other two guys.
That's that's the that's the value in those other two guys.
When Hunter's right, he's better than those two. But when
he's if, he those two guys are better than him.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
I think that's fair. Yeah. I mean, Lodolo's had his
share of clunkers throughout the course of his career, including
this season. But I think there's some validity to that.
I think when when Hunter is hitable, he's really hittable.
Now he still has the stuff to get out of
certain situations. And obviously the good dramatically outweighs the bad.

(56:48):
But I would I would go along with that when
when Hunter's bet I think Hunter's good is better than
everybody else's and Hunter's bad is worse than everybody else's.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Yeah, And that was saying. Point was was like Abbit,
He's got so many pitches when when this isn't right
or that's not right, he just goes to three, four
and five or what have you. Yeah, and not the
Hunter maybe has that.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I mean the game the game last Sunday, he struggled
with his control throughout his five innings, and you know,
because he threw so many pitches, he could only get
through five, but the Guardians didn't score, and he runs
and it felt like as as his five innings unfolded,
you could see him go, Okay, I can't throw this

(57:29):
pitch today, so I'm not going to or you know what,
this pitch isn't working today, so we're going to focus
on this. And and he figured out a way to
get out of it. He figured out a way to look.
I think there's a lot of pitchers who get to
the big leagues and they they they're great when when
they have their stuff, when they have their outpitch, when
they're hitting their spots and they have command, you know,

(57:49):
they're what I what I want to know is what
happens on the days where you kind of have to
make it up as you go along. That's what I
always loved about Bronson Arroyo. There were days where you
could tell him. He would talk about this, I don't
have my command today, but I still have to get
through this and give my team a chance. And you
could almost play along with him on the mound and
see him going, Okay, I might not have my breaking

(58:11):
ball today, but all right, I can maybe get an
extra mile or two on my fastball, right, could you know,
gear it up with two strikes to this hit or here?
And I think with Andrew Abbott you saw him on
Sunday do that and to me and I'm no Sam LeCure,
I'm no pitching expert. That is a sign of development immaturity.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Yeah, I And the other thing, you know, all these
in the Reds are lucky mode. We're really lucky with
this staff. So many teams, my dollars, they're decimated. I mean,
there are a lot of teams are decimated with pitching injuries.
And I've heard so many people talk about it. I'm
sure you have. I've heard Glavin and Smolts and Chilling
talk about it ad nauseum that the problem today is

(58:52):
these kids are just throwing as hard as they can
from nine year old and the arms are just wearing out.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Well, you know, the Baseball is self did a study
on this that came out last offseason, and for a
lot of us, we went, yeah, no kidding. But the
results of the study. The finding was that there's too
much emphasis on velocity, which we all we all realize,
we all understand. But who's gonna stop throwing hard. Who's
gonna stop telling their pitchers at any level don't throw hard?

(59:19):
You know, I know a handful of high school coaches.
None of them are gonna tell their pitchers don't throw hard.
No college coach is gonna say don't throw hard. No
coach in the minor league system is gonna say don't
throw hard. And god knows, no big league pitching coach
or manager is gonna say, hey, don't throw hard. They
may say develop secondary pitches. They may say develop pitches
that you could use off of your fastball. But everybody

(59:42):
can diagnose the problem. I haven't seen anybody agreeing on
what the solution is because the solution is not one
that anybody wants to confront, which is guys shouldn't throw
nearly as hard. Mike, I gotta run because we haven't
asked a contest winner. Have a great weekend. Okay you too.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Look on which you tonight I'll take I'll take the
money on I. You're gonna run the connects off to
court tonight again that they're gonna be tired, and that's
what's gonna happen. Sorry, though I.

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to Teresa, and again thanks to everybody who signed up
for this year, is mo your long contest? I already
can't wait for next year. You're number fifteen. There you go,
twenty minutes away from five o'clock. Can we we can
do this now? So I saw this piece, actually I

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saw it on Bengals Talk dot Com. Rapine's website where
he links to this piece by Gilberto Manzano, who is
with SI not bullish on the Bengals chances of winning
double digit games this fall. He has the team going

(01:06:51):
under it's nine and a half win total. Now, I
haven't looked this up in a few weeks, but I
think and I can be wrong about this. When the
when the over unders came out, I think the number
for the Bengals was ten and a half at most books. Obviously,
the Bengals have gone under their total each of the
last two years. Obviously, the Bengals have failed to make
the postseason each of the last two years. Gilberto Manzano

(01:07:15):
rights quote, don't let this team fool you into going
over just because they have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase.
Last year, the Bengals had one of the best offenses
in the league, but only produced nine wins and missed
the postseason. Due to a poor defense. Cincinnati didn't do
much to improve the defense, and there's a chance edge
rusher Trey Hendrickson isn't on the roster by week one,

(01:07:38):
all right, So a couple of things. Do I think
the Bengals will win more than nine and a half games?
I do because I think they have the best quarterback
in the NFL, and if he turns in what I
have come to expect is a normal Joe Burrow season.
I think that's gonna I think that's gonna equal at
least ten wins. By the way, I just I don't

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think the Browns are going to be very good. I
think the Bengals will beat them twice. And I know
everybody's waiting for Aaron Rodgers to sign in Pittsburgh. And
the Steelers did beat the Bengals in Cincinnati last year.
Those are winnable games. They beat the Steelers in their
building in the season finale. And so yeah, my gut

(01:08:21):
tells me that Joe Burrow plays seventeen games, they win
at least ten. Again, the threshold here is nine and
a half. Ten might not be enough to win the division.
In fact, I don't think it will be. Ten might
not be enough to make the playoffs, so though I
do think it will be. But we're talking about the
over under threshold here, which I think we sort of

(01:08:42):
talk about a little bit too much. If Joe plays
a full season and if he's not coming off an injury.
I understand their slow starts have been an issue, and
Burrow's play has been a part of the issue, but
there's like no built in excuse as of right now,
no built in excuse for Joe Burrow to look bad

(01:09:02):
in the first game. You know. Last year it was
well he's not quite himself coming off the hand injury, okay,
and two years ago, well, you know, and not quite
himself with the appendectomy. This year, no excuse, no excuse
at all. Or the two years ago was the calf,
the year before was the appedect. I lose track of
my Joe Burrow Week one excuses that said, the rationale

(01:09:29):
isn't too far fetched.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I would be stunned if Trey Hendrickson wasn't under contract
for the Cincinnati Bengals. Week one. He may decide I'm
not going to play. That's going to be the story
of training camp. But he ain't gonna be traded and
Trey Hendrickson is not going to be traded. And if
I'm wrong about that, go back and revisit this. But
I don't think Trey's gonna be traded. I do think

(01:09:53):
it is completely and totally reasonable to look at the
Bengals with some degree of skepticism because of the defense.
Now I know what they're they're putting their faith in.
They're putting their faith in Al Golden and they're putting
their faith in some players who underperformed last year being better,
certainly in the secondary. And they're putting their faith in
Shamar Stewart being able to make an impact in the

(01:10:15):
first season of his NFL career, assuming he ends up
getting his contract signed. But I understand the skepticism about that. Again,
I look at last year's team and go, well, they
still won nine games. A healthy Joe Burrow for seventeen weeks,
a typical Joe Burrow season when he's healthy, that will

(01:10:38):
mean more than nine victories. But I understand skepticism. I
share the skepticism, like I want to talk about the Bengals,
and so many of us do want to talk about them,
like in like legitimate AFC championship contender terms, not until
I see what that defense looks like. Uh man. And

(01:11:02):
let's be honest, as much as you can hang your
hat on. Yeah, wow, they were only a half game
shy of that nine and a half win threshold last year.
Remember what that involved. This team was bad last season
and then over the last five games they got a
whole run of awful quarterbacks and beatable teams. Get credit
for beating them, no question, and they certainly made things

(01:11:24):
fun down the stretch. But if you, as a fan
or somebody as an outside observer looks at this team
and goes, I need to see it before I believe it.
With the defense, they have a track record of slow
starts and so they don't earn the benefit of the
doubt that they're gonna rectify that. And yeah, Burrow was

(01:11:47):
awesome last year, but they still had to win their
last five to just get to nine. Again. If you're saying,
here's one thousand dollars, wager it on over or under,
my money is on Joe Burrow getting to ten wins.
But if you told me I have to put it
on under nine and a half, I'd feel like I

(01:12:08):
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One other thing with the Bengals on this show, we've
obviously we've talked a lot about Trey Hendrickson, which I
will admit to you. I think some contractual standoffs are
kind of boring. I thought Jesse Bates a couple of
years ago and the grand scheme of things was sort

(01:12:28):
of boring. I think this one's interesting because I think
there's a legit possibility he chooses to not play week one.
I think it's a different conversation because he's under contract.
He's obviously handled this a little bit differently than others,
and that's not a criticism. I just I think this
entire dynamic is fascinating, and I don't most of what

(01:12:53):
the Bengals have used as their position, I don't think
is wrong. Saying that is not slandering Trey Hendrickson. We'll
spend a few minutes on that coming up in the
next hour plus, we'll look ahead to Red's Cubs, try
to figure out why the Reds are signing guys who
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the way that Brendanman and Jones bred and Brendanman and
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(01:15:31):
it's mostly been about baseball. Number two has been outstanding.
I think the way we talk about Ellie Dela Cruz
is interesting sometimes because it feels like and this is
how things exist. I believe in this day and age
of discourse where everything is either the greatest thing ever
or the worst thing ever. I love to watch Ellie

(01:15:51):
Dela Cruz, love l O V love to watch Ellie Delacruz.
I am gonna bet on youth and talent and you
accumulation of experience getting him to a point where he
can legitimately be considered one of the very best players
in baseball. Best, in my opinion, means productive. Best doesn't

(01:16:14):
mean viral. Best doesn't necessarily mean most fun to watch.
Best in my opinion, is productive. Ellie's not there yet,
and I think you could say that, and I think
you could say that, and that's not you know, the
word is slander. You hear used this year. He's not
there this year, I think relative to what a lot

(01:16:35):
of us hoped for with Ellie Dela Cruz in particular,
has been kind of a disappointment. That doesn't mean that
Ellie Dela Cruz is going to have a disappointing career,
or that he should be given up on, or that
he's not capable over the final two thirds of the
season of putting up marvelous numbers. But like Marty and
Tracy were just talking about the errors. Sometimes you see

(01:16:57):
him do the amazing It's terrific. This season to me
was all about does he do the routine as well?
Does he cut down on the errors, does he cut
down on the strikeouts? Does he start to put up
numbers that put him legitimately in the conversation of being
the very best just at his position, much less the
entire sport So far fifty one games in, the answer

(01:17:20):
has been no. You could acknowledge a couple of different
things simultaneously. The dude is must watch. Like if the
Reds are on and I can't be necessarily locked into
every pitch because we got stuff going on around the
house and it's dinner time and bedtime for my daughter
and stuff like that. If Ellie's coming to the plate,
I watch when the ball is hit in Ellie's direction,

(01:17:43):
it's worth paying attention to. If I'm at the game
and a ball goes down the left field line, I
want to see if Elliott's shortstop can go get it.
He is capable of doing things that are awesome. And
if we're doing that silly game where we're buying or
selling or holding stock imaginary stock of athletes' holding all
my Elie Dela Cruz Stock. But the Reds are twenty

(01:18:04):
five and twenty six in large part because offensively they're
not very good. They've got to be better. That starts
with the guys who are supposed to be their better players.
Elie Dela Cruz is supposed to be one of their
better players. You can acknowledge that, and that doesn't mean
you're slandering Ellie or giving up on him. I feel
like when he makes a mistake, and you know, social

(01:18:25):
media is not a good gauge because there are some
truly miserable people on social media, there are also some
truly just bizarre people on social media, And if he
makes a mistake, it's like he's the worst player of
all time. And if he has a two hit game
and you know, hits one four hundred and thirty feet,
you know we're talking about a guy who should be
enshrined into Cooperstown. Neither are the case. I just want

(01:18:46):
to see more production.

Speaker 7 (01:18:47):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
I just want to see more production, and more than anything,
this team just needs more production. I did this topic yesterday.
Their best players need to start being their best players.
Sam l. Kure mentioned this with me in the first
hour of this show. Matt McClain, Tyler Stevenson, and Elie
Dela Cruz. Coming into the season, I think we all
believed where their most likely position player all Stars are?

(01:19:10):
Any of those three guys performing like all Stars this year. No,
In the absence of that, this team's offensive struggles are
probably going to continue and the team's potential is going
to continue to be kind of limited. Reds and Cubs Tonight.
I know there's always some wariness against you know, declaring

(01:19:31):
that a series in late May is big. Don't get
too far ahead of yourself, you know what. Maybe it's
time for this franchise, which has played in so few
big games over the last ten years or so, to
kind of wrap their arms around a series being bigger
than others. Maybe as fans we should do the same.
Reds and Cubs, this weekend is big. You want to

(01:19:54):
win the division, you know, start making a dent. No
better way to do it than against the team you're chasing,
and no better way to start than with your ace
on the mound. Hunter Green is off the injured list
to pitch to night. So I put I put a
lot of stock in this weekend series. I put a
lot of stock in this weekend series and next weekend series.
That doesn't mean that anybody's gonna be pouring champagne on anybody,

(01:20:17):
although that does sound kind of fun. If the Reds
win this series, or sweep this series, or win five
out of six against the Cubs, but it could go
a long way toward getting them closer to first place.
And if they go in the opposite direction, it's going
to make catching the Cubs all that more difficult. And
that's hard enough as is. Will Benson is not playing tonight.

(01:20:38):
This is my question for you. I am an information person.
Whenever I hear someone say that they don't like analytics,
I go cool, how do you make your decisions in life?
I make mine based on information. Information is currency. I
think information is valuable. I like to think that pretty

(01:21:00):
much every decision we make, every important decision at least
we make, is made based on info, intel knowledge. So
whenever I hear people get mad the nerds with their stats, Okay,
you don't like information, you don't think decisions should be
based on information, So I say that to acknowledge. I

(01:21:23):
do not want to discount statistical evidence that one decision
should be made instead of another. So my question is
about Will Benson. I'm a big Will Benson guy. Maybe
you're not. Will Benson historically is atrocious against lefties. You

(01:21:44):
can look up the numbers if you want. It is
brief burst of productivity here in Cincinnati. He has done
nothing against left handed pitching. All those homers, all those hits,
all those moments that made him the NL Player of
the Week last week came against right handed pitchers. Last year,
he was beyond atrocious offensively against left handed pitching. It's

(01:22:06):
one of the reasons why I think very few of
us kind of factored him in in the outfield, and
when we talked about this team, it's guy was a
strikeout machine last year. And it's not like he was
awesome against righties, but he was useless against left handed pitching.
Do you want me to give you last year's numbers
against lefties? Want me to share some of that information?

(01:22:26):
Against lefties, he batted one fifty three. He's struck out
twenty two times in fewer than sixty at bats. Now again,
dude batted below two hundred against righties. But over the
course of his career, all of its ups and downs,
he has been a decently productive hitter against rightyes, He's
been almost non productive entirely against lefties over the course

(01:22:49):
of his entire career. His batting average is one hundred
points less. It's actually one hundred and eight points less
against lefties, and it is Rightyes, His ops is three
hundred and fifty four points lower against lefties than it
is against righty's. He has twenty nine career homers against righty's,

(01:23:09):
he has one against lefties. So there's all the evidence.
And so if I'm just using that, Chicago has a
left hander on the mount tonight, Matthew Boyd who's good,
having a very good year's tough lefty. So all the
statistics would tell you it makes no sense to play
Will Benson tonight. And so I'm not mad at Will

(01:23:29):
Benson not playing because Terry Francona is making a decision
based on information. The information is Will Benson sucks when
a lefty is on the mound. My question is are
there situations where you go screw it. I'm ignoring the evidence.
I'm ignoring the information. I'm ignoring the stats because we

(01:23:51):
all know what Will did on last week's homestand we
all know the five homers in four games. The sudden
burst of offense pretty much came from Will Benson. He
didn't play Tuesday, pinchit on Wednesday. The Reds didn't play yesterday,
And so you could argue, Look, you can't play the
hot hand because the hot hand is cool, because the

(01:24:11):
guy hasn't played. Wouldn't you just for a team that
is starving for offense and that could use the benefit
of a home run in this ballpark? And again, he's
only hit one against lefties? Would this be a night?
And I will admit, like I lean toward wanting Will Benson,
but I can't be a stats guy and then totally

(01:24:32):
ignore the stats. If you ignore the stats, you're playing
Will Benson. If you look at the stats, you're like
horrified at the idea of playing Will Benson. Should the
Reds ignore the numbers? I kind of believe the answer
is yes. I have a hard time crushing them for
not playing Will Benson because again, the numbers. But the

(01:24:55):
reads could use a guy who can run into a pitch.
Connor Joe against lefties he's playing in right fields has
not been very good. He's got one hit in ten
at bat. It's very small sample size. Connor Joe is
not the reigning National League Player of the Week. Will
Benson is tonight. It wouldn't bother me, I'll put it
that way. It wouldn't bother me to see the Reds

(01:25:21):
do something that kind of flies in the face of
the information. Should the Reds ignore the information? That's the question?
Five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight sixty
six seven h two three seven seven six. We talk
about lack of offense. No team in Major League Soccer
has more points than FC Cincinnati, but sixteen teams have
more goals. Can they get more offense? On Sunday when

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the call along with a friend of the show, Jake
Zivin is the great Taylor twelvem and kind enough to
give us a few minutes on this Friday afternoon. Taylor,
it's awesome to have you. Good afternoon. How are you good?

Speaker 7 (01:26:59):
How are you well? I'm just a friend, like Jake's
the friend of the show. What am I?

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
This is your second appearance, Jake is made for I agree.
So once we get to to three, I think you're
officially friend of the show. Right now, you're an acquaintance.

Speaker 7 (01:27:12):
I'd rather say as an acquaintance. I do my best
work as an acquaintance.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Likewise, now it's awkward. It's it's good to have you.
I appreciate you doing this. FC Cincinnati. No team in
Major League Soccer has more points. Sixteen teams in Major
League Soccer have more goals. Do we see a little
bit more offense on Sunday? I think so.

Speaker 7 (01:27:34):
I mean it's interesting, you know, playing at Atlanta, you're
playing on turf, the environment Atlanta is a real wounded animal,
and oftentimes you don't want to play that type of team. However,
they don't really know who they are. Yeah, they've gone
out and spent fifty two million over the last couple
of transfer windows, but the reality is they're underperforming by

(01:27:55):
a level that we really haven't seen in this league.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
I would say we goals.

Speaker 7 (01:28:00):
Here's the thing about Cincinnati that I appreciate is if
it's a one goal game, they've got confidence they're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Win that game.

Speaker 7 (01:28:07):
They've got two game changers in Denke and Evander. They've
got the ability to find a way to win games.
I do think Cincinnati fans and even myself to a
certain extent, want to see a team that can win
a game and blow a team out, because I do
think they have the firepower. But when it comes to
playoff time and then the bigger games, you've got to

(01:28:28):
have the ability to win tight games, and that's where
I think Cincinnati under Pat Noonan and the leadership of
Chris Albright have really changed the mentality of the group
and understanding that I'll be shocked if we don't see goals.
But I don't want to really jinx it because I'm
flying down to Atlanta and the mound. I don't want
to jinx a good game.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
I think a lot of us have kind of taken
our queue from Pat where they're winning, and I think, frankly,
you know, given all the tumult of the preseason and
who wasn't there and trading away Lucho Acosta and some
players who got injured, where they are right now as
a minor miracle. But on a game in a game
out basis just listening to Pat, you know, he wants
more offense, he wants a more crisper attack, and I

(01:29:08):
think a lot of us have taken RQ from him
where we've kind of focused on what they're not doing
againstead of what they are and they're piling up points.

Speaker 7 (01:29:15):
Yeah, I've known Pat since I was five years old,
and Pat was one of the good attacking players in
this league. He was one of the best teammates I've
ever had because he held you accountable. And I think
that's the mentality that he has within this group and
who he's turned into as a manager.

Speaker 9 (01:29:31):
So I agree with you.

Speaker 7 (01:29:31):
I don't think Cincinnati fans are wrong to ask the question,
can this team provide a little more.

Speaker 9 (01:29:37):
In the attack? Absolutely they can.

Speaker 7 (01:29:39):
However, I'm coming from completely different perspective. In big games,
Vincinnati has never outplayed. They may not be the best
team on the day, but they've always always got a
chance to win. How many teams can you say that about.

Speaker 9 (01:29:54):
MLS right inner?

Speaker 7 (01:29:56):
Miami right now has given up twenty plus goals in
their last six games in all competitions. And so you
want to have stability, you want to have continuity, you
want to be consistent. Cincinnati's consistently in games, which in
a league of parody like Major League Soccer, that's a positive.
I do agree with Cincinnati fans. This team's got to

(01:30:16):
hit another gear. I think they're always in third or
fourth gear in the attack. I think there is another gear.
And to go back to your point about Luciano Acosta,
I was of the mindset and in the camp, very
small camp, and I know Cincinnati fans didn't agree with me,
but I was completely fine with the movie because they
were replacing that with Evander, and I think Evander's a
different player, and I think adding Denke with Evander becomes

(01:30:41):
a completely different situation than what Cincinnati was with just
Luciano Acostas. So I like Cincinnati, but I do agree
with majority of the talking points in the sense that
can they hit another gear? I think they need to,
and I think Pat Nenon wants them to.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Certainly helps when you have a guy like Roman Celatano
the back end of that defense, and he's obviously been
their goalkeeper for a while and he's been really, really good.
But I think you talk about like players who have
kicked it into a different gear this season, He's at
the top of that list. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
And that's the one thing about goalkeepers versus any other
position in the sport around the world is it can
take them a little time to go. It can take
them a little time to find who they are. I
thought a couple of staves that he had against Columbus
were the kind of saves that I think many people
who saw Celentano when he was little, when he was
grown up, when he came into Cincinnati. That's the potential.

(01:31:35):
He showed it. He's really come into his own. I
think the more fit and confident Miosga gets because obviously
Miles Robinson's going to be in and out of the
lineup with national team duties and whatnot. I do think
Celentano gives them a little bit of an extra hand.
And now you put him into the conversation, well, we've
got two game changes in the attack, do we have

(01:31:56):
a game changer in the defense? And now as a goalkeeper,
you really can't ask for a better situation if you're
an MLS fan and a Cincinnati fan and saying we're
in that conversation of we do have a game changer
a goal and we have two in the final third.
So Sellentino looks the part. I think he's got a
bright future ahead of him. And as a goalkeeper, age

(01:32:18):
is really not an issue. You can really grow into
things a little bit later in your career. He looks
the part to me, and I think they should be
very pleased with where he's at.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Taylor twelvemn is with us mL season pass Apple TV.
Sunday Night FC Cincinnati on the road against Atlanta last
year it felt like the Eastern Conference was a three
team race, which it was during the regular season, and
then it was an entirely different stories once we got
to the MLS Cup playoffs. How do you handicap the
East this year?

Speaker 7 (01:32:47):
The East looks like a four team race. It really
does to me. I think it's gonna be Cincinnati Columbus
when it's all said and done. I think they're going
to be in the conversation. I've been against it in Miami.
Against is the wrong word, but you know what I'm
trying to say, I just haven't really believed in what
they're doing. They don't look like the same juggernaut that

(01:33:08):
we saw last year under Totza Martino and Philadelphia is
gonna surprise people. And the reason why is their style
just makes.

Speaker 9 (01:33:15):
You play an ugly game in a game that.

Speaker 7 (01:33:17):
You're uncomfortable with, and it grinds out points for the team.
I do think at some point there's gonna be a
team that plays themselves into the conversation. If you would
ask you this four weeks ago, I would have said
it Laney. I don't know if it's at Laney United,
but there will be another team in the East that
will play themselves in the playoff race and the conversation.
But when it comes to winning the one seed, I

(01:33:40):
think it's gonna come down to the four teams we.

Speaker 9 (01:33:41):
Just talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
I think we've made the decision to upgrade you to friend.
Is that okay?

Speaker 7 (01:33:46):
No, I'm lose my number.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
You know what, You're not the first person to tell
me that. You're not even the first person to tell
me that on the air, So I don't know what
to say. We do look forward to having you again, though.

Speaker 7 (01:34:00):
I look forward to being there, and I look forward
to Sunday night on Apple TV. Cincinnati Atlanta should be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
It should be a lot of fun Sunday night at
seven o'clock. Taylor, thanks so much, you buddy. FC Cincinnati
looking for three points on the road against Atlanta that
game Sunday at seven o'clock. Of course you could hear
it live right here on ESPN fifteen thirty. Has this
ever happened where there's something you want to see on

(01:34:25):
television and the remote control just stops working? Like I
wanted to see the end, I actually wanted to watch
the entire show around the horn. I wanted to see
how they treated their finale, and so right before we
started the five o'clock hour, I grabbed the remote control
and it broke. And now it's working and I might
catch the last like ten seconds. There's tony reality around

(01:34:49):
the Horn I I have. I don't think I've ever said, hey,
I'm going to and usually I'm working that show's on
at five, our shows on until six. But I've been
to a few happy hours where that has been on
in the bar, and it's one of those phenomenons where
something is on and the sounds not on, but you
keep looking at it. Whenever I've watched that show, I've

(01:35:11):
always really enjoyed it, and it's not been that often
because of my work schedule. But it's what's weird to
me about it is they have still like no hardcore
plan to replace it with anything permanent, which is bizarre.
Can I also share with you another somewhat around the
Horn related anecdote. One of the frequent panelists on that

(01:35:32):
show is Mina Chymes, who's on NFL coverage on ESPN,
And I could assure you I'm saying this in the
least inappropriate way possible, but over the last month, Mina
Chimes keeps showing up in my dreams. Three nights ago,
we were playing tennis. Like a week before that, we

(01:35:55):
were flying on an airplane together. I don't know they're
try I'm not one of these, you know, cavemen that
talks inappropriately about people on TV, at least not anymore.
For some reason, Mina chimes long time Around the Horn
panelist keeps popping up in my dreams. Just doing random
stuff two nights ago at playing tennis doesn't make any sense,

(01:36:16):
all right? Well, I caught the last two minutes of
Around the Horn while talking to Taylor twelve minutes twenty
nine away from six o'clock sports headlines. I have advice
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Trey Dowey. This is yes, we okay, what Yeah? I

(01:36:37):
think we have an obligation to talk to I've been
accused of Trey Hendrickson slander, which I'm not guilty of,
and uh, I'll prove it next on ESPN fifteen.

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Tonight don't get mad at Me. Big three Game Series
of GABP six forty is Tonight's first pitch all the

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actions on seven hundred wl W. Hunter Green is off
the interur list. He pitches against Lefty Matthew Boyd. Your
starting lineup for the good guys tonight. Are you ready? Hell? Yeah,
you are, Get out your scorecards.

Speaker 9 (01:37:58):
TJ.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Friedel is leading off Santiago Espinals the third Elie de
la Cruz at short Austin Haysen left field, Spencer Steers
at first, Stevenson is dhing, Travigno is behind the plate,
Connor Joe and right Matt McLain at second base. Red's
have signed to a major league contract infielder outfielder Garrett Hampson,
who could play a lot of positions. Unfortunately, batter really

(01:38:19):
isn't one of them. Carson Spyers transferred to the sixty
day injured list. In Reese Hines has been sent to Louisville.
Terry Francona says, unfortunately, pretty significant oblique strain for Rhett Lauder,
who was pulled from his rehab start at Louisville last night.
That's a bummer. U. Florence Yawl's are home tonight for
I'm sorry, they're on the road. Don't don't go. Don't

(01:38:42):
go to the Florence Yawls. I mean you can. They're
playing the Washington wild Things, which is just outside of Pittsburgh.
Chances are you can't make it by first pitch. But
if you go to the ballpark in Florence tonight, well
they're not going to be there. What you could do, however,
and you catch the game in progress the Big East Tournament.

(01:39:03):
Xavier is playing at Prasco Park Right now, they're battling
Yukon in an elimination game, and at last check a
game is scoreless. I clicked on the link to watch
the Flow Sports link. It's as reliable as our roku
in here. If they win the Musketeers, they'll play Creighton

(01:39:26):
in the Big East Tournament championship game tomorrow. Mentioned this before.
Baseball America in their Bracketologist has both Xavier and UC
currently in the NCAA Baseball Tournament. Field is announced Monday
at noon, and the Bearcats, obviously they're done in the
Big Twelve Tournament. Prior to their loss to West Virginia.

(01:39:48):
Baseball America had them as a two seed, now as
a three. Xavier holding study as a three seed after
their loss in the Big East Tournament last night. Hey tonight,
Nickson Pacers at Madison Square Garden. I have no idea
what to expect. I've tried to talk myself into like
metally tough team. They've won every game after a playoff

(01:40:10):
loss this year. At the same time, I'm worried about
the hangover, and more than anything else, I'm worried about
an awesome Pacers offensive team. We'll see Game two tonight
in New York Hockey Western Conference Final Dallas and Edmonton.
I'most said Houston because I wrote down Oilers Dallas leads
won nothing. Game two is tonight and again on ESPN
fifteen thirty on Sunday afternoon. I guess it's really evening.

(01:40:34):
Seven o'clock would be evening. FC Cincinnati on the road
against Atlanta. There we go tared out. How much time
do we have in the remainder of the show. We
have about eight and a half minutes. Eight and a
half minutes, all right, We have folks waiting on hold,
and I want to take them. So you know what
we're gonna do is unless Trey Hendrickson is what these

(01:40:55):
folks want to talk about, We're going to table the
tray talk to next week because they'll plenty of time
to talk about Trey. We have no show on Monday
because of Memorial Day. As a really quick well we
do there is a show. Who's hosting it?

Speaker 9 (01:41:08):
Trags?

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Trags? All right, Mike PETRELLI you be here on Monday.
I'll be here too. You and trags, tearing and trags
In the afternoon, you know, when you host a show,
you at times get asked by people to help publicize events,
and we're usually very happy to do that and it
causes outings, different events, things, and it's to me, it's

(01:41:33):
it's part of the responsibility of having a job like this.
Typically when we're asked for airtime, you know, it comes
in like an email and sometimes if it's someone I know,
a text and it usually acknowledges that we have a show,
and then it's on from three to six, and we

(01:41:53):
usually try to be pretty accommodating just because I've gone
through this this afternoon while we're on the air. If
you are, however, like looking for publicity for an event,
here's what not to do. Text the person who's on
the air while they're on the air and go And
I'm reading this verbatim, you wan air. You know, I

(01:42:18):
don't have a very big ego at all to suggest
that everybody's listening for all three hours when I'm on
the air. But you know, you could answer that question
yourself by oh, you could turn on a radio. You
can go to the iHeartRadio ad and go to ESPN
fifteen thirty dot com. All you gotta do is listen
for fifteen seconds. Oh Moe is on? Yes, you want
air all right, so you're not even listening. But now

(01:42:40):
the next one is can I get some pub not
of how you doing, not at what's going on? Not
a house the show today that I'm not listening to.
Just as a quick piece of advice, if you're ever
in a position to ask someone who has a show
for airtime and you're gonna you're gonna text them while

(01:43:01):
they're normally on the air, it would perhaps help to
at least acknowledge that they are on the air by
finding out if they are by you know, tuning in.
I just did those ninety seconds for myself. Well, we
got people waiting, John and Finley. You're on ESPN fifteen
thirty John, how's it going great?

Speaker 11 (01:43:23):
Great?

Speaker 9 (01:43:24):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (01:43:24):
I guess the strategy for to beat the Pacers tonight
trying to be up by like thirty with five minutes
to go, because it seems like if it's anything under
than that, they've got your right way they want you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Yeah, that's true. It was true against the Bucks, was
true against the Calves, true against the next I would
suggest this, maybe make your free throw so you can
have a lead closer to thirty points.

Speaker 11 (01:43:45):
That's always a good strategy making free throws. Well, I'm
with you. I I think a lot of times sports
people make sports a lot harder than they really are.
If I have a guy who's the Nation League Player
of the week and seemingly is seeing beach balls come

(01:44:05):
up to the plate, you'd have to fight me to
get me get him out of Lina. I don't understand it.
I think especially just makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Especially in the absence of a better alternative, right, Like
if you exactly, if you've got a team where it's like, look,
we've got a guy who rakes against lefties or owns
Matthew Boyd who's pitching tonight, and he's just a better fine,
The better option can't be Connor Joe, the better.

Speaker 11 (01:44:31):
Option even a game tonight. If you if you told
me I couldn't start Benson, I'd have started Reese Hind. Yes,
I mean, like you said, at least I mean he
he doesn't hit, he hits like the rest of us,
but at least he hits home runs when.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
He hits one, right, Like if I mean, I'm I'm
sifting through a bunch of guys and say what you
want about batting average as a stat I'm sifting through
a bunch of guys who have low batting averages. If
I get a bunch of guys who have low batting average,
the guy who can hit one that clears the wall
occasionally rhese Hines can do that. Will Benson can do that.

Speaker 11 (01:45:06):
Yeah, and just the small amount of it bats he has,
it seems like he either if he gets out, the
guy's like jumping over the wall to catch it.

Speaker 9 (01:45:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:45:15):
He just has the ability to put a charge in
a ball.

Speaker 9 (01:45:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
I just John, thanks for the call, and I hope
you have a great weekend. I the Benson thing again,
there's every piece of statistical evidence to suggest you don't
play him against lefties. I respect that. And look, the
flip side of this is Benson plays goes Oh for
four strikes out for a time, and Terry Francona takes
criticism from morons like me for playing a guy who

(01:45:41):
can't hit lefties. I just this is one of those instances.
Part of it is just where the rest of the
team is right now. He is their only hot hitter.
I'd overlooked the lefty righty thing at least once Rob
in Northern Kentucky. Hi Rob, how are you?

Speaker 10 (01:45:58):
Oh yeah, good afternoon. Quick comment about pitching in major leagues.
Back in the day, two hundred plus innings was a
barometer for very good starting pitching. Now it's one hundred
and eighty innings. And if you do that, heck, you're
making twenty plus million a year. All these pitchers today
are buffed with advanced support from every standpoint, But back

(01:46:21):
in the day they didn't have that kind of support.
You had guys like Louis Tenant, wilburd Wood, Nolan, Ryan,
Bill Micro. Those guys would give you two hundred and
fifty innings every year, some of them, no one, Ryan
would give you three hundred innings. And those guys weren't
buffed your thought the game has changed.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Look, I am all here for romanticizing about the era
when you watched a game or went to the ballpark
and you thought that, barring a huge offensive showing by
one team or the other, that you were going to
see both guys for at least seven innings. I am
a huge proponent of the idea of the starting pitcher

(01:47:03):
being the main protagonist instead of somebody who's just gone
after five or six innings. I don't think we're going
back to that day and age, whether it's right, wrong
or indifferent. First of all, I think bullpens are just better.
You know, it used to be back in the day,
most teams would have a closer and then you know,
the bullpen would consist of guys who didn't throw hard,
or failed starters, or guys that the team didn't know

(01:47:26):
what to do with. So bullpens are better. Pitchers are
going all out earlier in the game, there are heavier
investments than they've ever been because of the money they make.
They have not come up throwing as much as guys
from you know, thirty forty years ago. And so while
I'm with you, and there is a part of me
that wishes that when I watch Hunter Green tonight, I'm
thinking he's gonna go nine, we're just not going back

(01:47:48):
to that.

Speaker 10 (01:47:50):
Well, I guess my point, and I understand where you're
coming from, is that, you know, maybe that needs to
be you know, somebody needs to say you're out, or
some team needs to figure out that maybe there needs
to be a different way of these starting pictures and
their conditioning, you know, I mean, instead of being buffed

(01:48:11):
all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
So like you mean like buffed, like they're big and
ripped and just chiseled.

Speaker 10 (01:48:18):
Yeah, a lot of them are.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Yeah, well sure, but I mean, you know that doesn't
necessarily equate all the time to arm strength or you know,
they're all buffed and they're all throwing hard, and there's
a correlation between the amount of pitchers who are throwing
you know, over ninety five since many cases over one
hundred and arm injuries. Athletes, as a general ruler in

(01:48:40):
better shape now than they were thirty years ago. They
eat better, they take care of themselves more, they have
modern scientific and medical advantages that athletes from you know,
twenty thirty, forty fifty years ago didn't have. I don't
think it as much a to do with them being buff.
I just think they're they're not conditioned and not trained
anymore to throw nine innings. They just aren't, and I

(01:49:01):
don't think they're going to be anytime soon.

Speaker 10 (01:49:04):
Yeah. Well, I guess you have a good point, but
I you know, and you're right about bullpens. You know,
back in the day, you know those sin Tee hot Wood,
Ryan Nicro, they didn't have great bullpens. But you know,
it does strike you funny that these guys could go
seven and eight innings and give you two hundred and

(01:49:25):
fifty two hundred and fifty innings every year?

Speaker 7 (01:49:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Last yek, last year. Last year, in the entire sport,
four pitchers pitched more than two hundred innings. I think
the league leader pitched two nine Like tonight. I mean,
here's where I'm with you. Tonight, you have a good
pitching matchup, Hunter Green versus Matthew Boyd. I certainly am
old enough to remember when you would see a matchup
like that and think, you know what, these guys might
duel each other the entire night, or you know, you

(01:49:50):
would you would get a premiere postseason pitching matchup involving
two aces, you know, starting the opening game of a
postseason series, where you thought, this is going to be
a duel between those two and they're gonna get to
the order a third time and maybe get into it
a fourth time. I prefer that. I prefer the starting
pitcher kind of being the main character instead of somebody

(01:50:10):
who's gone, you know, when there's three more innings to play.
I wish we would look at starting pitching matchups like
the one tonight and think, unless the Cubs are red
score seven runs in the second inning, we're gonna watch
these two guys go head to head for most of
the night, and instead, you know that the likelihood is
both are gonna be gone by the seventh inning, if

(01:50:31):
not before I do. There is a big part of me,
Randy that misses that that era, But sadly, I don't
think it's coming back. Randy, have a great weekend.

Speaker 10 (01:50:39):
Thank you, Thank you, Bob, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Did I hang up on the wrong guy? Was that Rob?
That was Rob? I was saying, I was talking to Rob,
and I thought I was talking to Randy, and then
I just hung up on Randy. Wow, really well executed
talk radio segment by me. I'm looking at the screen,
I'm talking to Rob, Randy's on hold. I say goodbye
to Randy even though I'm talking to Rob, and then
I hang up on Randy. Randy in the two and

(01:51:06):
a half minutes we have remaining, If you are there,
a my apologies for being completely inept. B If you
get back to us, we will give you the rest
of the show. Take a break and see if Randy
calls back. I am a moron. This is ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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from Turkey Foot Road on River Road, an accident at
Inderson Ferry Road. Police there on scene. I'm at Ezelk
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