6/11/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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mL Season Past to tell us how FC Cincinnati can
put the air back in the balloon, so to speak.
The air has come out of the balloon for the
Reds this afternoon after last night's thrilling won nothing complete game,

(01:10):
shutout win by Andrew Abbott, a fifth consecutive victory for
the Reds. They are trailing in the bottom of the
seventh inning. They're getting clubbed by the Guardians today eleven
to two on getaway days. So maybe the Reds can
forge a comeback, and if so, it'd be like the
coolest thing ever, but it would appear at least there's
a strong likelihood that the five game winning streak is

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going to come to an end. Nonetheless, a good stay
in Cleveland. It gets harder this weekend with the Reds
in Detroit to take on the Tigers. Instant reaction from
Cleveland coming up here in just a bit eleven to two,
Cleveland as the Guards bat as they say in the
bottom of the seventh inning. We were gifted pennies from

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Heaven yesterday in the form of Shamar Stewart's comments about
the Bengal and his contract situation. Kelsey Conway is going
to join us from the Inquire in the five o'clock
hour after covering another day of Bengals Mini Camp Day
two today, and we've got some like national reaction to
the Bengals and Shamar Stuart and frankly much of it

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is pretty predictable. I don't think much of it is
very off base. I try to look at these things,
and I don't know that enough people do this, especially
folks who talk about the NFL nationally. I try to
look at each one of these things on a case
by case basis. So you know, a lot of folks
just use broad brush terms. Bengals are cheap, Bengals are frugal,

(02:37):
Bengals are outdated. And you know, again, I've said this
a billion times. I don't think the Bengals basic position
as it relates to Trey Hendrickson is wrong. I don't
love that there's going to be another distraction. I don't
love that the two sides really aren't negotiating all that
much right right now. But I don't think the Bengals
basic position is incorrect. I don't think the Bengals basic

(03:01):
position as it relates to t Higgins was incorrect when
it looked like he was going to walk. And I
don't think it was incorrect when they pivoted because of
Joe Burrow and went ahead and signed him. So I
think the best way to do this, and I know
a lot of people don't, is to look at each
one of these contract situations on a case by case basis.
Sometimes Sometimes, like with Jesse Bates, I kind of understood

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why the Bengals did what they did with Jesse Bates,
and I believed in their plan to replace him. With
the benefit of hindsight, it's easier to criticize because the
plans haven't worked, and Jesse Bates has played in some
respects at an even higher level in Atlanta than he
has here, so you kind of look back and go, man,
Bengals got that wrong. I think in this case, the

(03:47):
Bengals are just being short sighted here. It feels like
they're being petty, and it feels like they're doing something
that is completely and totally unnecessary and what you have
now or you have two sides that now are just
staring at each other and in Shamar Stewart's case, doing
so publicly. Now, I'm like many, I don't believe that
yesterday was helpful. I think it was helpful to me.

(04:08):
I think it was helpful to Tony and Austin. I
think it was helpful to anybody who creates Bengals content.
I think it was helpful to the producers of those
shows where they shout at each other about sports who
have not that much to talk about in mid June,
especially when they're seemingly not interested in really talking about
the NBA Finals. It was helpful to them. I don't
think it was helpful to Shamar Stewart. I don't think

(04:29):
it was helpful to the Bengals, And I don't think
it was helpful to the cause, to the goal of
getting the Bengals first round draft choice signed as quickly
as possible. And so I think more than anything, everybody's frustrated.
As a Bengals fan, this is deeply frustrating. I'm sure

(04:51):
for Joe Burrow, it's deeply frustrating team president Joe Burrow.
Sometimes sometimes an adult is needed. Sometimes an adult is
needed to resolve a dispute. I am the father of
an eight year old girl, and I'm kind of a
believer in, like, you know, part of socialization, part of
learning is you and your friends. When there's a disagreement

(05:13):
about what you're gonna play, or what you're gonna do,
or whether or not you're gonna share something like, you
gotta learn to resolve differences on your own. You've got
to learn to kind of, you know, figure these things out.
On your own without an adult stepping in, because in
real life, that's what you're gonna have to do. It's
part of being a grown up. And so as a dad,
I have a very long leash. Like you know what,

(05:35):
you and your friends having a hard time figuring out
what you're gonna do, what you're gonna play, that sort
of thing. Like, man, that's on you, guys. But sometimes
an adult is needed to step in. I think an
adult is needed to step in here. The adult is
team President Joe Burrow. He's the adult. I would argue

(05:57):
he is the most adult person who earns a paycheck
or has a financial interest in the Cincinnati Bengals. Right,
He's the adult. The adult in the room is needed here.
Let's let team President Joe Burrow be the adult. And
this doesn't have to play itself out publicly. You know,
we don't need Joe to call another press conference. He

(06:17):
had one yesterday and by the way, I thought he
was really good. This was before the Shamar Stewart thing
went down. In talking about year or two of Dan
Pitcher and the offensive potential for this team and all
that stuff is really exciting. It also takes a back
seat to another thing, another contract dispute, and so what

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I would like to see happen, and what I think
almost right now has to happen, is for the team president,
the adult to figure out a way to get these
two sides to come together to end this. Many have
called this Shamar Stuart thing unnecessary or avoidable, and it is.
It's avoidable. If you're the Bengals, you know you could

(06:59):
just we're gonna pivot and give Shamar Stewart a contract
that in terms of language, is similar to every other
guy they've signed who they've drafted. And I guess if
you're Shamar Stewart, this could be avoided by either signing
your waiver and practicing, or going ahead and signing what's
in front of you. I think in adults needed here,

(07:23):
and Joe Burrow has i'm sure right now more pull
than at any point in not just his career, but
I think in the career of anybody who's ever played
for the Bengals. We watch that unfold publicly with T
Higgins or he publicly brought these sides together and said,
like T Higgins is a need got the Bengals to pivot.

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Don't need that to happen. Publicly, it can happen privately.
Go up to Do Tobin, call Katie Blackburn. Anybody in
the Bengals organization will take Joe Burrow's call. I feel
very very comfortable in saying that. Whoever it is, maybe
it's Mike Brown himself. Dude, Can we just get this done?
Can we just get this over with? We're going to

(08:05):
convene for camp. Bengals release their training camp schedule today.
The first practice is going to be July twenty third,
So we're going to get back here in about six weeks,
and we're going to set forth on the beginning of
a season where the head coach is on the hot
seat and me as a quarterback, I'm going to start
to be judged more and more by how much do

(08:25):
we win. I need as few distractions as possible. Maybe
there's nothing I can do about Drey Hendrickson, but I mean,
come on, the contract language with the first round pick, dude,
just get this done. Like, here's where the adult has
to step in the neutral party, right, the guy who's
being paid a generational amount of money by the Bengals,

(08:46):
right the face of the franchise, the most important player
they've ever had, the most important draft pick they've ever had,
the most significant investment they've ever made, and a guy
who's going to be Shamar Stewart's teammate. The two sides together. Look,
take the l here, Katie, Mike Troy, whoever take the

(09:07):
l here, establish a president next year, kick this down
the sidewalk, to kick this can down the sidewalk till
twenty twenty six. Maybe next year that the first round
draft choice a little bit more carefully, he can maybe
even make it known our first round pick, whoever it is,
this is the structure of the contract we're going to offer.
But for now, for this year, for twenty twenty five,

(09:31):
get him into camp, get him into camp tomorrow, get
him signed, and get him on the field for the
last day of mini camp tomorrow. And if not that,
let's just end this. Like, you don't have to make
a big public demonstration of it, you don't have to
tweet about it, you don't have to go on a
full blown media blitz and go on everybody's show nationally

(09:54):
like you did for t Higgins. Simply go upstairs and
go come on, man, like, come on, is this it's
one thing? If I say it, it's one thing. If
somebody on social media says it, it's one thing. If
one of the other Bengals players say it, it's entirely different.
If Joe Burrow says it. Look, We're trying to win

(10:16):
a title this year. I'm trying to win a title
this year. We felt woefully short last season. We wasted
my best efforts last year. I'm trying to get through
a training camp with as few distractions, as few major
issues as possible. We drafted this guy because we need
him week one to be productive. Come on, man, dude, really, like,

(10:37):
is this a battle worth fighting? Maybe the Bengals will
look at Joe and go, hey, man, we gave it
to you. We gave you your way with t Higgins,
We're not doing it here. I don't know, but it
doesn't hurt to try. And maybe Joe is gonna do that,
and maybe we never find out, but that's my hope.
The adult in the room, the quarterback of the team,
the face of the team, the de facto team president,

(11:02):
the most influential Cincinnati athlete ever, the adult in the room.
Go upstairs, ask, plead, beg insist, whatever you gotta do,
and tell your bosses there are certain battles worth fighting.
There are certain things that are nuanced that require digging in.

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I'm trying to win us a title this year. I
need Shamar Stewart to be a part of that. I
need to know that he is going to be a
part of that, and I need to get through between
now and September seventh with as few issues as possible.
We haven't had a normal training camp during my time here.
I just and we're not going to have one this
year because of Trey. But let's do everything else to

(11:47):
make everything else normal. Get the Schamar Stewart thing done.
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Speaker 2 (12:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I think in any we've often compared the Bengals to
a workplace. I think in any dynamic, there are certain
people who have poll who have the ability to walk
into the boss's office, shut the door, sit down, and
go come on, man, here's what we need. Here's what
we need. Here's what has to happen. Here's how you
can help. We need Tamar Stewart, we need we need

(12:38):
a distraction free camp. I can't be asked questions about
a player that hasn't signed a contract yet. Let's just
end this. Tear up the contract, write up a new one,
put it in front of him. Get the dude signed.
This shouldn't be that hard. And if the Bengals tell

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him no, you find that away. Eighteen minutes after three
o'clock eleven to two Guardians reds batting in the top
of the eighth inning. We'll give you instant reaction from Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
After the series finale today, John Cunningham, the athletics director
u SE is going to join us at four thirty five.
They're unveiling the new practice facility tonight and uh, they're
they're poised for the new era of college athletics after
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fifteen thirty. Remember what this season is all about for
the two people, for the two people who have the
most riding on it. Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow next
on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Cincinnati. Yesterday, he
was with us fresh from day one of minicamp from
the Athletic and the Growler podcast. You know, poor Paul

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just wants to talk football, and now he's going to
talk about Shamar Stewart. You can hear that conversation. It
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on ESPN fifteen thirty high Steve.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Hey, Mo, just a different take on the Smart Stewart angle. Please,
it's frustrating, I know, and we're sick of it, but
just wanted to reach out and say, for one thing,
I don't know if everybody knows this, but his agent
has made quite a name for himself already far as
being an absolute pain in the butt to deal with.
At the Senior Bowl, he was turning down general managers

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that were trying to set up workouts for Stuart and
that it's just if you look at Todd McShay search him.
He had a little blurb about him. I let him
know the agent's name. I think that's one issue. Yeah,
I think that's one issue. We're gonna have to start
having like a combine for the agents of players because

(15:26):
we're drafting a player and an agent. Where are you
a jerk? Are you impossible to deal with? David Mogeta?
We're not gonna draft this player then. But the other thing,
I mean, everything Stuart's saying I understand in theory, but
it's a copy that league. They have these things in
place in their contracts. Everybody's gonna want to do as

(15:47):
the Eagles are doing. The Eagles won't have any player
blow up in their face and prevent them from signing
someone else because they were stupid. The Bengals don't get
this language in there. They absolutely could, and I think
this is only reinforce the point a lot of us
felt we didn't want this guy leading up to the combine.
It was smart. How many time you heiko benchpressh All
bench press do twenty five over thirty times? He doesn't

(16:10):
even do the bench press. He's all taught, he's no action,
pissed that we drafted him now and I would just assume,
I mean, let him sit. See how you likes not
playing and watching everybody else play. They're gonna get Trey signed.
I have no doubt that's gonna be done. I don't
know if it'll be under a grumpy one year deal,
if they'll actually do something three years. But I'm sick

(16:31):
of this guy coming in from college. Maybe they're a
little more entitled now because of this nil money. I
don't know. He's got nineteen million dollars guaranteed. As long
as he doesn't screw up, he's gone and play and
get paid. And it's not good enough, Well, fine, sit
down and don't get any of it.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, there's a part of me that would wonder what
does don't screw up me? And I don't know how
specific that language would be. My guess is it would
be pretty specific. But I think what you're getting to
speaks to a larger question, which is why they draft him?
Why'd they draft him? And not only why.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
They draft him? Go ahead, the guy that went one
pick him?

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, Walter Nolan?

Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yeah, But I mean and they were not ready.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
So there's yeah, so there's why they draft him, And
there's also did you really vet this guy out?

Speaker 6 (17:20):
Like?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It doesn't mean he's a bad guy, but there's clearly
at this point not a fit and fits really important.
Did they not do their homework and put themselves in
a position to have a plan b if Shamar Stewart
was on the board and Walter Nolan wasn't, did they not?
Did they not do their homework regarding this guy, whether

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it be his character, his willingness to sign a new
type of contract that's new to the Bengals and not
necessarily the rest of the NFL. Did they not do
their homework as to the agent and and whether or
not the agent's going to be easy to work with here,
Like these are all the questions, and it's yes, it's
easy to say, well, well, you know, tell him to set.
That sounds all well and good. But for a team

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that has whiffed on a lot of draft choices, can
you really afford to just tell your number one your
first pick this year and what we all agreed was
a huge draft for this team to just not show
up and play a game with him, I don't know, man.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
I have more hopes for the team this year than
I've ever had for any Bengals team. And it's frustrating
as how to think their first round pick might be
another nothing. Maybe we'll get something out of mouth. Maybe
I'll start like trend up like you was before you
stop getting snaps. But I just wonder it on there.
I could make a real craft storm here. And he

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created this situation.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
And he's making a big deal out of it.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Now you've got everybody in the media, Oh it's the Bengals.
Nobody said they could sign Tan Jamar. Guess what it
got done. Nobody said they get Joe Purrow done, got done,
and Trey will get done as well. I just think
they're using trade situation, the bank reputation against them, and
I'm sorry, I don't think this guy's worth it. I

(19:05):
know it's it's like, hey, what are we gonna do
that without him? Well, I think he's really gonna hate
not playing. Yeah, that's what I would think.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
But I certainly think your assessment there is fair. I think,
without question, they're using the perception of the team from
outside and they're using the Trey Hendrickson thing against him.
I appreciate the phone call, Steve. I would I guess
I would wonder this if if you're going to play
a game of chicken and go all right, fine, don't

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play now. On one hand, can the Cincinnati Bengals afford
to have their first round pick and what we all
agreed was a hugely important draft not play for them?
On the other hand, if you're gonna play a game
of chicken. On the other end of it is Shamar
Stewart who can decide to not sign a contract, sit out,

(19:55):
and re enter the draft next year. Is that really
in his best interest? Is he going to go seventeenth
overall next year? Are there going to be teams who
are scared away from taking a guy who already had
productivity issues. After he doesn't play and re enters his
name in the draft, what an ordeal. We'll switch gears.

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More on this coming up throughout the course of the
afternoon five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty, You're
gonna hear someone with a large major voice who kind
of hints at Chamar more than hints at Shamar Stewart
already seeking a way out. That coming up in about
fifteen minutes, Red still trail eleven to two against the Guardians.
Full recap from Cleveland as soon as the game finishes.

(20:38):
But next FC Cincinnati is in a tail spin. Can
they get their season back on track against New England
this weekend? Kevin Egan tells us from Apple TV.

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Speaker 1 (21:31):
Sports headlines in just a second here, I don't want
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They're on a tail stream. We'll call it that. Right now,
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Kevin Egan will be spearheading the coverage on MLS three
sixty on Apple TV, which is a terrific show as
well as the wrap up show. And as he is
whenever we ask kind enough to join us this afternoon,
the air has come out of FC Cincinnati's balloon, Kevin,
how do we reinflate it?

Speaker 9 (22:09):
We great to be chatting with you. As always.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
It's a wild one and I would like to think
that the past few training sessions for Pat Noonan and
the guys have been intense, because I'd say Nownan was
furious after the last game a home loss again DC
United of all teams.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Like on MLS three sixty.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
Let me put it this way, we have our Golden
Book competition where we have to pick a different goal
scorer every week, and the bragging rights are tremendous, and
whoever's last you have the picture punishment. And it's been
Dax now for several weeks in a row, and his
wife is getting involved in sending the craziest pictures in
But it's we all went out our way to pick
Cincinnati players in this game.

Speaker 9 (22:45):
Because Evander was picked.

Speaker 6 (22:46):
Alan's Weelo was picked, Yankey was picked. Because we thought
that Cincinnati would put DC United to the sword and
see it through pretty comfortably. That performance simply wasn't good enough.
And the biggest area of concern I think for Cincinnati
was the lack of fight, the lack of organization that
just the basics, the world class basics that you would expect,

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especially from a pat noon and lead side, and the
areas that we've never really been able to criticize them
in recent years. That's what was lacking killer instinct inside
the area, both up front and certainly defensively. How they
conceded those goals against Cincinnati, especially set pieces, that's an
area where Cincinnati mop been so good in recent years.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
It feels I'll make up a word here, watching them
feel it feels yanky, right, It just it feels not
well put together. And I know there's a lot of
underlying metrics that sort of suggest the same thing. And
I've watched FC Cincinnati thrive under pat Noonan. I've seen
them hit some speed bumps, I've seen them lose tough matches.
I've not really ever thought, man, this isn't really well

(23:50):
put together. And I have felt that way the last
couple of matches.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
Yeah, I don't disagree, but I don't for a second
think that Noonan won't get it right, you know, and
Patent and I trust, and I've said before if I
was a player, he's the coach i'd want to play
for the most in MLS. And I could just see
him channeling that old school mentality this past week in
training and really making sure these guys are fired up
ready to go. Obviously, you know, without Miles Robinson away

(24:16):
with the national team, but I do think that they
need to get back to that gritty, hard nosed, blue
collar style performance. Because we praised Cincinnati for the silky
skills at Vander the silky moves of Kevin Denke further forward.
But now it's about rediscovering who you are in many
ways and making sure you put in a really good

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performance against a New England side that have had no
issues putting in hard nosed performances of like they've turned
around their season because of that.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, no question about it. Look to a degree, we're
talking about first world problems. Right there are four points
out of the top spot in the East through in
the supporter shield race. Like you could look at the
table and go, man, FC Cincinnati, isn't it Watching them
over the last month has been frustrating, And you talked
about two players and I often felt like last year
when Lujoacosta was here, like as as awesome as he was,

(25:08):
they almost at times put too much on his shoulders.
Are they in peril of doing that with Denke and
with Evander No.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
I think I think both those guys can handle us.
I think we're praising those guys much more right now
if Cincinnati could descend in their own areas, Like there's
no way Sebastian Iviago when he scores that equalizer for
Dallas in that three to three draw, again another team,
you'd expect Cincinnati.

Speaker 10 (25:31):
To batter mode.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, and it's just.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Hard to believe that they didn't. And but the free
header inside the area, it's just so easy. And that's
that's on. That's on. Whether it's Miasga, Robinson, Hedebe, whoever
is at at the back, those leaders really need to
step up now and not Miasga. I believe is back
in full training ahead of this weekend, and there was
a concern an injury concern had been to this game.
But he should be back and rare and to go.

(25:54):
Uh and he's a huge boost at a time when
when Robinson's away with the national team. So I I
would think we're going back to old school, like removing
the metrics from the conversation, the advanced analytics, stop looking
at xgeno, and just simply focus on saying, Okay, we
are a tremendously talented group, but talent will only.

Speaker 9 (26:12):
Get you so far.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
And now it's about hard work, being organized and channeling
what brought you a supporter shield. Because all the year
we've been talking at the amount of games MO that
Cincinnati can win by a goal. It's phenomenal. Actually, fifteen
of eighteen games that they won Last year, they won
by a single goal. This year that was the case
until you rightly pointed it out. This Saturday will be
a month and until their last victory. That was the

(26:35):
case with Cincinnati this year, and something's changed, Something's gone
off the boil a little bit that Noona needs to
figure out and get right.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
What concerns me on top of all of FC Cincinnati's
individual issues is John. I just feel like the Eastern
Conference is better and deeper.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
Oh without a doubt, Without a doubt, the Eastern Conference
is superior to the West, no question about that this year.
Although if Vancouver were in the East, I still say
their top right now. But I think think there's other teams.
MLS is very street unique teams go on these sorts
of runs. Look at Columbus right now. I mean, the
state of Ohio is a fascinating conversation in Major League

(27:10):
Soccer because Columbus under Wilford Nancy, whom too many is
the best coach in Major League Soccer, are struggling in
a big time way of their own uncharacteristic errors. We're
seeing really soft defending from Columbus. Miami tore into shreds
recently with a much older Miami attack. Obvieit with Lena
and Luis Suarez. But I do think there are issues

(27:31):
that you know, Major League Soccer is forgiving. Cincinnati will
be in the playoffs.

Speaker 10 (27:36):
It's just about.

Speaker 6 (27:37):
Making sure that they get these things right so once
the playoffs come around, you know, the Miasgas, the Robinson's
at the back, Sellntano, these guys are firing.

Speaker 10 (27:45):
See.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I took solace in watching Columbus get club by Miami.
That made me feel better about my.

Speaker 9 (27:51):
Yeah, I mean, you're a Cincinnati guy.

Speaker 11 (27:54):
I'm not surprised by that whatsoever, right.

Speaker 6 (27:56):
But I think that well, I'm really hoping we get
a hell.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
As real in the posted with a different result than
last time, no question about that. FC Cincinnati taking on
New England, first of three consecutive road matches for the
Orange and Blue. They haven't won a match since May fourteenth,
seven thirty. Kevin Egan heading up MLS three sixties wrap
around coverage of the entire league on Saturday Night and
the wrap up show as well. Awesome to have you

(28:20):
as always enjoy this week's matches. I know you're busy, man,
Thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
Yeah, Tom MANA mouth take care less me, sim.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I got it that guy Kevin Egan is awesome. MLS
three sixty HOSTS seven thirty FC Cincinnati at New England,
and of course you could listen on ESPN fifteen thirty.
We we don't have time for a silly game, so
you're gonna get off easy here because we have a
lot of giveaways today. Now we do have Tarren Bland's
Big Three Trivia coming up in four forty five for

(28:48):
Big Three tickets. We have no trivia game to speak
of here. We have nothing that you need to do
except Taran. What caller number do we want our caller
to be? We're gonna do this in the laziest old
school FM fashion we possibly can. What number caller do
you want to take for these FIFA Club World Cup?
By the way, FIFA Club World Cup does not roll

(29:10):
off my tongue. What number caller do we want to take?

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Now?

Speaker 10 (29:13):
In honor of Game three at NBA Finals, let's do
call it number.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Three Game three tonight, so caller number three, you'll win
tickets to go see CF Pachuka from Mexico's Liga MX
versus FC Salzburg from the Australian Buddhesliga. I'm saying some
things I never thought that I would say, and I'm
not sure I'm saying them correctly. This match is going
to be a TQL Stadium on Wednesday. It's a six

(29:36):
o'clock game, so kind of early. It's part of the
FIFA Club World Cup. All these internationally renowned cup club
teams playing in the FIFA Club World Cup. So caller
number three, five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty,
you'll win two tickets again. This game is a week
from tonight downtown or on the West End, TQL Stadium,

(29:57):
six o'clock, CF Yuca versus f C Salzburg. It's gonna
be an incredible night of international club soccer at stadium.

Speaker 10 (30:09):
You know, when you were reading those names, I was
having my hand on a dumb button just in case.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Well, we already had a dump a caller. I got it?
Did you get it? I hit the red button in here?
Can we got it?

Speaker 10 (30:17):
Very good?

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Anyway? Caller number three c f Pachuca versus f C
Salsburg next Wednesday night, good luck. You're gonna hear a
former Felon Craig Carton On Shamar Stewart by the way
I got into quick sports headlines thanks to a Kelsey Chevrolet.
Red's lost at the Guardians eleven and two. By the way,
scary moment in the top of the ninth inning, Christian

(30:39):
and Carnassi on Strand was hit by an Emmanuel Clause fastball.
I think it was a fastball in the bill of
his helmet. Now he stayed in the game. He is
very lucky that didn't hit him flush in the face.
He stayed in the game, looked to be okay, certainly
didn't seem very happy, and you can't blame him. I
don't think there was any intent there. That's the good

(31:00):
news is he's okay. Bad news as he got hit.
Other bad news is Red's lost the game eleven to two.
Carlos Santana, who nearly who nearly gave me a heart
attack in the ninth inning last night hit a grand
slam today and Nico Lotola was not very good. Red's
five game winning street comes to an end. Cincinnati off tomorrow.
In Detroit on Friday, started a three game set against

(31:21):
the Tigers NBA Finals Tonight, Game three, Indianapolis hosting series
tied at one. Pacers and Thunder and I had something
else and I totally lost it. Anyway, we'll get to
that later on. Could not sound more disorganized. Former Felon
talks about Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
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aren't playing well and they've recently played very well at
lost today, which fine, but they've won five out of six.
Sometimes when the Reds aren't playing very well and losing games,

(33:42):
I will hear about how good the run differential is.
So what I'm hopeful here is that maybe the results
of the poll question can help me understand. So the
Reds and Guardians played three games this week. The first
game the Reds won seven to four. The second game
Andrew Abbott through a complete game shut out. The Reds
win one ZIP today though they got blown out eleven

(34:04):
to two. So the Reds did win two of the
three baseball games. But the Guardians did score five more runs,
so their run differential in the series was plus five,
meaning the Reds run differential in the series minus five.
So who won the series? Vote now at Maleger Craig Carton.
What TV show on FS one does Craig Carton host

(34:27):
Tarren Is his breakfast breakfast Ball, breakfast Ball on? Who
else is on breakfast Ball with Craig Carton, Mark, Mark
schlare Stink, who else? That's all I know, Mark shlaris
Stink and some other people. I'm more of a good
morning football guy. But anyway, So Craig Carton, who served
time in prison, which I guess is neither here nor there,

(34:47):
he had some things to say about the Shamar Stewart
situation and what he's hearing Schamar's camp is doing.

Speaker 12 (34:54):
I was on a conference call yesterday with people that
represent him all right, just randomly, not by choice, just
kind of happened. His dad, who obviously is very close
with has gone to the agents and said, can we
get him traded?

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Is that on the table? And they're like, no, it'll
get worked out.

Speaker 12 (35:14):
This is just, unfortunately at times, part of the business
with this particular franchise. That's not the kids saying it,
it's his dad asking.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
The question, is a trade possible.

Speaker 10 (35:24):
He's a kid who wants to play football.

Speaker 12 (35:26):
You drafted him in the first round, so the money
is set, it's all slotted. So this has nothing to
do with what's the money. It does have to do it.
Cincinnati's saying, well, just in case you don't pan out,
we want to avoid year three. The other problem with
this human nature is you have not heard a word
from Joe Barr about this. I have not heard a

(35:46):
word from Jamoar Chase about this. Tie Higgins hasn't said
I maybe haven't been asked either.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
But it's interesting, you know, that's separation.

Speaker 12 (35:55):
Also, you know, because you've got the quarterback and the
two star wide receivers they got right, and here's the
kid that is drafted in the first round, so by
default you expect him to be on the field for
the majority of defensive snaps, had to be a difference maker.
And the kid has not taken a single snap in practice.

(36:15):
Because your front office is front officing.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
There's Craig Carton. I don't know what was going on
in the background. Could we give that person a mic?
I don't know if he has somebody on that show
whose job is to just like yell stuff at him.
But that was Craig Carton on Breakfast Ball on FS one,
which airs weekday mornings from six to eight or something.

Speaker 10 (36:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Craig Carton. What's interesting about that is he says he
ended up on a conference call, not by choice, but
he was on a conference call where it was expressed
that Shamar's dad is asking the agent, can we be
traded now? Regardless of how you feel about this, is
this the way to start the relationship. And doesn't it

(36:58):
like there's a disconnect here. Don't you use the pre
draft process to explore whether or not there's gonna be
a disconnect? And like the Bengals could have taken other players,
the Bengals could have taken other edge rushers. It is
completely fair to wonder, maybe assume but more than anything,

(37:18):
wonder like if if Walter Nolan was there at sixteen,
are they taking him? My understanding is it's a very
good chance. The answer is yes, but he's not. You
can't control that. If you wanted him so bad, he
should have traded up. It could not have been Walter
Nolan or Shamar Stewart or bust like you, there were
other players you could have taken. So I think there's

(37:39):
something to be said about, like the potential sloppiness of
the pre draft process. Did you draft him thinking no,
chances of a disconnect? One hundred percent chance we're gonna
get this guy signed by the time we get to
the part of the offseason that matters. More phone calls

(38:00):
coming up, and we'll hear from Tito Francona on ESPN
fifteen thirty Men is good enough? Really what you want?
You should do that that guy knows what he's talking
about when it comes to windows. This is ESPN fifteen
thirty on Moeger, Thank you for thank you for listening
this afternoon. Wait way some big free tickets later on

(38:22):
if you cannot play Tarren Bland's Big Three Trivia plus
Brendan and Jones on baseball, and we'll chat with ucad
John Cunningham. More on Shamar Stewart. More of your phone
calls are coming up. Red's lost today's game by score
of eleven to two. An unfortunate and to what was
a productive series in Cleveland because the Reds won two

(38:44):
of the three games obviously took the Ohio Cup today.
Nick Loodolo Nicolodolo, but Tony and Austin were talking about this.
I don't think he's just another guy, but I will
admit to when I watched nic Lodolo, there's just something
that I'm not seeing and there's a frustration that I
feel with him that I don't necessarily feel with others,
if if that makes sense. He gave up a grand

(39:05):
slam to Carlos Antenna, made it a five to nothing game,
and that was frankly pretty much at Ellie Dela Cruz
went deep today. TJ. Friedel went deep today. Lodola went
three and the third, gave up six runs, five hits,
struck out six walked to. Joela Soursa pitched in relief,
as did others, but Jola Soursa, who looked awesome in
his stirrups like sign me up for anybody who's going

(39:27):
old school stirrups. But I'd rather he get hitters out,
or at least get them out before giving up four runs.
If the Reds had any chance of forging a comeback,
it went out the window in Jola Sources inning, which
was the bottom of the sixth, eleven to two to
final score. Reds lose to the Cleveland Guardians on Getaway Day.
That said, Cincinnati did win two of the three five

(39:48):
game winning streak is snapped. They're off tomorrow. They're in
Detroit to take on a terrific Tigers team on Friday night.
Very very under the radar. The Detroit Tigs have the
best record in baseball and a very comfortable lead in
the American League Central, which was eight games this morning.

(40:10):
Here's Tito Francona, Tito the Infallible, talking with reporters after
today's eleven to two Reds loss.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
Do you think the longer maybe first, the second inning,
maybe got to Ludolo a little bit in the third there?

Speaker 13 (40:23):
Well, I mean, I just think from the gig go
his stuff was really good, maybe too good. He wasn't
commanding anything, you know, it was all kind of all
over the place and kind of paid the price for it.
And the other thing, I mean a couple of those
balls when the when he gets warms up here and
the winds bowing to right, well really carries in Santanna.

(40:43):
That was a really nice swing and there was traffic anyway,
you know. The next one on the right field line,
I didn't off the bat. I was just hoping it
would stay in play so we could make a play
on it. And you look up at a three to
run homer, Is.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
It any consolation to you? Personally?

Speaker 13 (41:00):
Haven't taken five out of six games against never.

Speaker 10 (41:03):
Ever ever we show up to play today.

Speaker 13 (41:06):
That's and I do think now the guy's got a
good day off tomorrow. It'll be good for him because
we're gonna go play a good Detroit team.

Speaker 10 (41:15):
How did wind up looking before the game? Where do
you get a run?

Speaker 13 (41:19):
He he went and got another MRI. We just wanted to, Uh,
we just wanted to.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (41:29):
Probably the best way is be respectful to him, Like,
you know, he's trying so hard to get out there
and he still feels it. So we just wanted to
and and it showed he has a you know, pretty
deep bone bruise that I think we knew. So we'll
kind of watch him over the weekend see how he's doing.
See he's still probably day to day.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Ish seyes Okay, after taking him one, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (41:54):
I think he was just more like it didn't hurt
or anything. It was kind of glancing, but you know
that's a scary thing and it takes you a minute
to kind of regroup a little bit.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I couldn't tell. Did you get the results back.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
From the MRI?

Speaker 8 (42:07):
I already, yeah, okay, anyone?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, all right, So there you go, Tito Francon a
couple of different issues there. You heard him and I'm
not sure you could hear the question that audio. I
think we steal that audio from Ballely' Sports enough about
from FANDOL Sports Network. Yes, any Sabo asking the first
couple of questions. Good thing Charlie Goldsmith didn't ask that
second one anyway, you might have heard in there. Well

(42:32):
you heard his answer. I'm not sure you heard the question.
But Austin Hayes, who has been doing some running drills
in Cleveland, they were hopeful that he would be activated
during this series. You heard Tito say that he went
and had another and went and had another MRI on
the foot obviously banged a ball off his foot a
couple of weeks ago, been dealing with a bone bruise,

(42:52):
and so they say he's still probably day to day.
But they also you just heard him say we're going
to watch him over the weekend, which certainly doesn't suggest
his return is imminent. We will see, and didn't really
reveal the results of the MRI because he says he
wants to be respectful to Austin Hayes, so there's one
issue there. They've got to get Austin Hayes back. You
also heard him mention or heard him ask about Christian

(43:13):
and Cronassian strand and if you weren't watching, he took
a pitch off the bill of his helmet in the
ninth inning. He stayed in the game, but that was
pretty scary. It appears that he is okay, which is
good news. So eleven to two the final score today.
I would rather, and I bet you, if I bet you,
you would rather talk about last night's game. Now we've

(43:34):
we've poked fun at Tito the infallible and not so
much Tito the Infallible. We've poked fun at those who
would suggest you cannot second guess the Reds manager because
he's Terry Francona. He's infallible, which I don't believe. We've
also kind of given him a hard time, and I
think deservedly so when he's been as exasperated with one

(43:57):
reporter's line of questioning the way he has. But I
thought last night Terry Francona was awesome. So chances are
you know what happened Andrew Abbott through a complete game.
Those are rare complete game shutouts, really rare complete game
shutouts where your team has only given you one run,
really really really really really rare. Here's what I loved

(44:21):
about it. I love the fact that he let Andrew
Abbot pitch through trouble in the eighth inning when Ellie
Dela Cruz made the error. And by the way, we
all love Ellie Dela Cruz homer today two hits. He
made a really nice throw in that double play in
the ninth inning. But when a ball is hit to

(44:43):
Ellie Dela Cruz, I now hold my breath. I have
no idea what's going to happen with the throw. It
might be an awesome throw, he might throw it to
a different zip code, but that happened last night, and
Terry Francona let Andrew Abbot pitch through it and he
gets a flyout and strikeout. Inning ends. He brings him

(45:04):
back out for the ninth. He walks Stephen Kuan the
first batter of the ninth inning. Terry Francona stays with
Andrew Abbot. David Fry comes up, Andrew Abbot works in
the three and zero ends up getting the double play.

(45:25):
Jose Ramirez then comes up, hits one right back up
the middle for a hit. Game is still alive. Carlos
Santana comes up. Terry Francona stays with his starting pitcher.
Now be honest. When Santana hit the ball that ended
the game, Will Benson caught it in left field. When
that contact was first made, you thought the same thing

(45:49):
I did. Right? Uh oh, ball game over two to one,
gut punch. Reds loss, an absolute heart wrencher for Andrew
Abbot and some tough questions for Tita the infallible after
the game. Fortunately the ball was caught Reds. When Andrew
Abbott gets his first career complete game, first career shutout,
Reds extend their winning streak. What I loved about it

(46:11):
was this, not just that he stayed with his starting pitcher.
I like the fact that he managed the game, not afraid.
I think often, not necessarily here, but I'm sure including here.
I think often managers pull their starters because it's the

(46:33):
easier of the two choices. Pulling the starter in favor
of any reliever is easier than sticking with him, especially
sticking with him through multiple periods of trouble, both in
the eighth and the ninth. And look, the state of
the bullpen obviously had something to do with that, I guess,
But it's the ninth inning. It's the eighth and ninth
thinning of a one run game. There's no wiggle room.

(46:56):
I think often managers pull starters because doing so is
not going to create as much criticism as when they
leave guys in. I think a manager who leaves a
starter in subjects himself to more criticism and more second
guessing than when he goes to the bullpen, regardless of
who he brings in. I love the fact that in

(47:20):
that situation last night, in a one nothing game, not
only did he stick with his starter, not only did
he give Andrew Abbot a chance to finish what he started,
and by the way, didn't do so irresponsibly. It's not
like his pitch count was through the roof. He didn't
take the easy way out. I believe this. I'm not saying,
you know that Terry Francone has done it, but I

(47:41):
believe this that sometimes managers just take the starter roup
because they're kind of supposed to, and if I take
them out, you know, the questions after the game aren't
going to be as hard. I've complained about this with
a lot of coaches across a lot of different sports
over the years that I think sometimes coaches and managers
make decisions thinking about what the questions after the game
are going to be like. I don't think Tito Francona

(48:02):
does that, but he certainly didn't do it in the
eighth and ninth inning last night, and he made what
I think was the more difficult of the two choices. Now,
he could have gone to the bullpen in the eighth
Reds get out of it, win the game. He could
have started the ninth inning with a reliever, Reds win
the game, won nothing. He could have called upon a
reliever of multiple occasions in the ninth inning last night,
maybe the Red still win, and you know, we could

(48:26):
talk about the choices that he had and the different
options he had in the bullpen, and maybe some of
the ones he didn't have last night he could have
copped out and said, you know what, the easy way
out is take the starter round. I think a lot
of young managers probably do that. I love the fact
that Terry Francona in that game last night didn't manage scared,

(48:49):
and by the way, I don't think he has ever
managed scared since he's been here, which obviously hasn't yet
been a half a season. I love coaches and managers
who make decisions understanding there's going to be a torrent
of criticism that comes their way. Now, had the criticism
come their way, we can then wonder how is the

(49:10):
manager going to handle it? And I've been critical of
Terry Francona because I think some of the questions legitimate questions,
fair questions he has gotten this year, I haven't liked
how he's answered them. That's kind of a different story.
But I love the fact that he made the decision
to stick with Andrew Abbott last night, because that was
the more difficult of the two decisions, and it's the
one you make if you're not afraid. So good for

(49:34):
the Reds manager, good for Andrew Abbott, and last night
at least good for the Reds. Unfortunately, there were basically
no moves to make today because Nicolodolo got shelled, Joela
Sarsa got shelled, though he looked good in his stirrups,
and the Reds lost the game eleven to two quarter
after four ESPN fifteen to thirty. Paul questions up on
Twitter thanks to United Heartland Insurance, run differential guy, not

(49:55):
happy with me today? Who won the series? Guardian scored
five more runs than the Reds did? Run differential guys
always in my face when the Reds are not playing well,
but they've scored more runs than they've given up. All right, Like,
how do we do this run different If we're going

(50:17):
to make it a part of our everyday discussion, do
we look at series?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Go?

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Well, you know, the Reds won the two of the
three games, but the Guardian, I'll score them. Vote now
that one. Your phone calls are coming up. John Cunningham
from UC is going to join us in just a
few minutes. Two words that begin with the letter E

(50:40):
apply most to you and I as fans when it
comes to the Shamar Stewart situation. How about the two
people who have the most riding on this season? Next
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Speaker 1 (51:30):
In an hour fresh from day two of Bengals Mini camp.
See if anything interesting happened today? Five fifteen thirty is
our phone member? Uh, I'd say Boston. John is calling
from it says Boston. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty, High John,
what's going on?

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Hey Mo?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
How are you?

Speaker 11 (51:53):
And yes, it is Boston, Massachusetts, believe it or not?

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Wow? Very cool? Awesome? Yeah, did did absolutely Wei or
this forwards hub turned things off and you're listening to me.

Speaker 11 (52:02):
No, well, no, they're still really good. But you know what,
I'm a brand new Bengals, not a brand new Bengals fan,
but I like listening to you guys to keep up
on my new favorite team because I'm a huge Joe
Burrow fan and I think his prime is being wasted
by this franchise that you know, runs itself like a
candy store at times. But just wanted to echo this story.
I do some work for a local website that covers

(52:25):
high school and college football in New England. Also covers
the Patriots. And there was a pro day at the
University of Connecticut back in early April, and there were
some other players there from other schools, you know, as
a pro day so all the scouts could see them.
I'm going to give you one guest. Guess which NFL
team did not attend the pro day. There were thirty
one teams there. One did not attend.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
M see, would it, by any chance be the Bengals.

Speaker 11 (52:50):
Yeah. So it's just like there are players in New England,
believe it or not. In fact, the best tight end
in Bengals history is from Northeastern was a good friend
of mine. Danny Ross, who I think, you know, you're
talking about Bengals Hall of Fame or you know, resigning
numbers or whatever. He should be considered. He's a great,
great player and died way too soon. But I just

(53:13):
think that that shows that there's just got up the
speed with some of the other teams. And and you
look at the quarterback. I think he's the best in
the business, but he's competing against Lebro Jackson, Baltimore, Great
Run Organization, Kansas City Great Run Organization. When Patrick Mahomes
Buffalo is spending money to support Josh Allen. We know
what Philadelphia does, and here's Joe, you know, basically trying

(53:33):
to drive the Lamborghini with a sixteen year old.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Uh yeah, I mean, look, there's there's still this the
sense of you know what we have Joe, that's We're
going to overcome everything with Joe. Joe's going to fix it.
We've got Joe, and sometimes it'll work, and it nearly
got him to the playoffs last year. But as a
formula for winning championships, it's it's Number one isn't sustainable.

(53:58):
Number two is eventually going to make your quarterback go.
You know what, maybe I can do it as well,
if not better elsewhere with more infrastructure, better infrastructure, more help.
I mean it's you know, last year it kind of
felt like everything was, you know what, Joe's going to
figure it out. That's that's not going to work. It
may work on a week to on a weekly basis,
or on an individual week basis. It may work in

(54:20):
one individual season, but if your idea is to have
a franchise that enjoys a sustained run of success, that's
not a formula that's going to work.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
No.

Speaker 11 (54:30):
I don't even know who to compare him to. It's
someone like Peyton Manning in a sense that you know,
they were built around the great quarterback, the great receivers,
but they had two great head rushers so that when
they built a ten or fourteen point leading big games,
they could protect it. I mean, the Bengals can't even
do that because they're you know, Kenny pitching with Trey
Henderson and now you've got your rookie who you're going

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through language on a contract to see if you know,
they can try to squeeze in for something. It's really
unfortunate because I do believe he's the best quarterback in football.
And he seems like one of the last guys that
would start banging on the door to say, get me
out of here the way Carston Palmer. That seems like
he's totally committed to bring in a title to the city.
And look, if he can bring a Super Bowl championship
to cincinnati'd be very similar to Lebron bringing the NBA

(55:13):
championship to.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Cleveland, Oh, without question. And look, I think he's committed
a winning and I think for now he's committed to
winning here. But I mean, I certainly don't think Joe
is going to pull a Carson Palmer anytime soon. But
you know I've said this before, there's only a handful
of quarterbacks who have won their first Super Bowl after
their eighth season in the league. I don't think we

(55:34):
want to get to a place where Joe has played
three more seasons and he's still looking around at the
league and he's seeing more of his peers win rings,
or he sees a guy like Mahomes maybe win another,
or a guy who has taken in the same class
and Jalen Hurts maybe win another. I don't think you
want to get to a place where Joe is entering
that stage of his career, examining what he has done,
looking at his prospects of winning here and thinking, you

(55:56):
know what, maybe I have to go somewhere else for
that to happen. So I think these next years are
are vital. I will say this, I don't think their
penny pinching as it relates to Trey Hendrickson. I do
think they're being a little too obstinate in the fact
that it really doesn't feel like they're begging him to
come to the negotiating table. And what's frustrating to me
about you know that, is like, there's there's the benefit

(56:18):
of time, there's time between now in training camp. But
if you know he's not going to show up, and
if you know there's the potential for him to be
a sideshow if he does show up, how do you
not go to the end of the earth over the
next four to five weeks to negotiate with him as
often as frequently and as in a good faith as possible.
The lack of negotiation is what frustrates me. I don't
think their basic position is that incorrect. They have offered

(56:41):
the guys seventy five percent raise. But to say that, well,
this is our deal and he's just going to have
to accept it, that's a level of obstinence that is deeply,
deeply frustrating, I think to anybody who cares about this franchise.

Speaker 11 (56:55):
So he's through sixteen million this year, they've bought him
what twenty eight for this year next year? Yeah, that
seems fair enough. And again I think you highlighted this
and the fact that Max Crosby and Miles garretting and
make so much money, but they're the two best players
on their particular franchise. Those franchises don't have a franchise
quarterback and a franchise wide receiver, so at best, Hendrickson
is the third best player on the roster. So sometimes

(57:17):
that's just the way that works. No, I agree with you.
I think they've been fair with those offers if that's
the case, to get them in. But maybe you have
to push that offer up to thirty or thirty two
million a year. They've got the room get it done,
because you know that defense was so bad last year
that he was the one standout on it, so why
would you want to get rid of him? But I
think that the defense when you look at it, we

(57:37):
do know that defenses have a tendency to return to
the mean at times. Yeah, so twenty eight last year,
maybe they're sixteenth this year with the young players developing,
the new defensive coordinator. You hope that your field goal
kicker doesn't miss three game winning field goals. You hope
you don't get screwed in Kansas City by the officials,
you know, play here or there. That is a twelve
win team with that quarterback and those wide receivers. They

(57:59):
should win twelve thirteen games based on that if they
get support from the defense, special teams and people around them.
Almost like just stay out of the way and let
the boys do what they have to do.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
There's something too that, John, It's nice to have a
new Bengals fan in the audience.

Speaker 11 (58:11):
Thank you for the call, all.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Right, appreciate it. Like again, I kind of go case
by case here. I don't think the Bengals are wrong
as it relates to what they have done so far
with Trey Hendrickson. I refuse to accept the notion that, well,
their offer is out there and it's up to Tray
to take it. Like there's room, there's room between what

(58:34):
Trey is looking for and what the Bengals have offered.
Find some middle ground there be reasonable. But I don't
think you know, I've said this two dozen times just
over the last month. I don't think their basic position
as it relates to Trey Hendrickson is incorrect. I think
the Shamar Stewart thing is evidently avoidable, and it just

(58:58):
I think you should be doing everything you can at
this stage in your franchise's history to avoid potential roadblocks.
This is a roadblock that's easy to remove. Just give
Schamar Stewart the garden variety contract you've given everybody else,
and get the dude on the field. Five one, three, seven,
four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number. Tarren Bland's

(59:20):
Big Three Trivia is coming up. John Cunningham is going
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Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
They are going to cut the ribbon tonight in at
U see's new indoor practice facility, which if you've been
anywhere near UC's campus you've seen sprout up the Shakey
Indoor Practice Facility and Performance Center. And obviously it's been
an interesting week if you follow college athletics, I'm sure
it's been an interesting time to be working in college
athletics with the house settlement and the ushering in of

(01:00:31):
the revenue sharing era. And so I wanted to talk
about those things and more with our next guest, the
Director of Athletics at the University of Cincinnati, John Cunningham,
getting ready for a big night. It's good to have you, sir.
How are you?

Speaker 11 (01:00:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:00:44):
Good, mo. It is a busy day here in bearcat
Land and.

Speaker 14 (01:00:48):
Really exciting to open up this beautiful state of our
building and get to just celebrate a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
This kind of unfolded pretty quickly, relatively speaking as it
relates to buildings being built.

Speaker 14 (01:01:02):
It did in a sense, yes, I mean we we
from from start to finish, we moved very efficiently and quickly.
But there's another sense that you know, this has been
talked about for ten years probably you know, I mean
we were were functioning for a long time with a
with a bubble that served a purpose but was not
up to clearly up to uh Big twelve standards and

(01:01:24):
Power five standards.

Speaker 9 (01:01:25):
But so you know, it was just something that we
always talked about.

Speaker 14 (01:01:28):
We needed a permanent indoor for all of our sports,
not just football, but but but clearly you've got to
have that in this day and age.

Speaker 9 (01:01:36):
And so we didn't. We didn't just build a nice one.

Speaker 14 (01:01:39):
We built an absolutely stunning one and we're excited to
open it up today.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
It has been described as two buildings in one elaborate
done on that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
For me, yeah, we uh we I was.

Speaker 14 (01:01:51):
As I wrote my speech today, I kept calling it
a facility.

Speaker 9 (01:01:55):
But it's not just that.

Speaker 14 (01:01:56):
If it's it's it's multiple facilities. It's an indoor and
then it's all to a performance center that's going to
house our football program and then also a nutrition center
for all of our student athletes. So I'm referring to
it as a complex. So it's it's you know, a
lot of square footage, a lot of things are going
to happen here. It's it's, like I said, state of
the art. It's going to help us prepare our football

(01:02:18):
team to you know, compete and win obviously in our league,
but also send players to the NFL. Guys are going
to want to come here and have these facilities and
have you know, all of this at their at their
fingertips to prepare them for the rest of their lives.
So anyway, very excited to open up both buildings and

(01:02:39):
the Shakely Indoor and the Shakey Performance Center.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
And it's worth mentioning, you know, folks are going to
see and understandably so football facility. But this is going
to impact every sport at the university absolutely.

Speaker 14 (01:02:52):
I mean, just as we use the Bubble for every sport,
We're going to have every sport working out in here.
We built we built this to be able to handle
obviously any weather issue that we have with soccer, lacrosse
or you know, baseball was a big, a big deal
for us. We wanted to put some netting in here
for coach Bischel and so they'll they'll be able to
use it all year round as well, and so it'll

(01:03:13):
get get a lot of use morning tonight. And then
the nutrition center is really what kind of ties the
whole department together. When you when you get together and
break bread together, you can really build a one team motto,
which we have, and I think that's going to help
us just as the department really, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:03:29):
Become tighter.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
John Cunningham, as well as the director of Athletics at
the University of Cincinnati, I have spent the week reading
a lot of opinion pieces about the House Settlement and
the new era that is being ushered in in college athletics.
I know this is something that you and I have
talked about. It's something you've been working on. You've been
a member of the House Settlement Implementation Committee, and I
know you You've probably been asked multiple times over the

(01:03:53):
course of the week to talk about what this is
going to mean for the University of Cincinnati. So I'll
be the latest to throw some questions your away. Uh,
you've you've talked about the school being ready, you've talked
about the athletic department being ready for what's next in
college athletics. Walk me through the run up to this
era and and specifically what's been involved.

Speaker 14 (01:04:14):
Sure, I mean, the run up became very quickly dominated
by third party collectives, which are groups of donors that
were gathering money and paying players through nil contracts, and
and it just became frankly unruly. There were no real
regulations around it, partly because it was a third party.

Speaker 9 (01:04:35):
And and you didn't know the game that you were playing.

Speaker 14 (01:04:37):
You didn't know what everybody was spending. The agents wherever
able to spin a lot of things and really drive
up some pricing, and and it just, frankly it wasn't sustainable. Everybody,
I think across the board, no matter what level you're at,
agrees with that. So we had to you know, pull
pull us back in house. That's exactly you know, no

(01:04:57):
no pun intended, but we're able to move because of
the house settlement. We're able to move operations in house
and you know, distribute revenue share from television contracts, and
you know, we just feel like as an industry I
was just with you know, eighty eight Athletic Directors, Division
one Athletic Directors DAN in Orlando, and we just feel

(01:05:19):
like we have to re establish some rules and regulations
and this is the start of doing that. And so
now it's going to be incumbent upon us to, you know,
like I said, re establish compliance and get some rules
around it. But but number one, it's going to create transparency,
which is so important because when you have transparency, at
least you know what's taking place. And we're going to

(01:05:41):
create this commission with a commissioner and he's going to
be able to come in and have some enforcement that
we haven't been able to have recently.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I know, around the country, whether you're an alum or
a fan of any school in intercollegiate athletics, you want
to know what this is going to mean for the
institution you care about the most, So for UC alums
and Bearcat fans like myself. Give me an idea of
how you see is ready for this next era?

Speaker 9 (01:06:10):
Yeah, I mean we've been.

Speaker 14 (01:06:11):
We've been prepping for it and working with across campus
to you know, get ready for this new era and
understand what our finances are going to look like, you know,
we have the benefit next year of getting getting a
full share of Big twelve money, which really helps cover
the expenses of what what House is going to create.
And in the Big twelve, you've got to be at

(01:06:33):
a full share, which is twenty point five million of
distributed money to student athletes through nil contracts or very
close to that, and so we're going to be right there.
We know that we were going to be competitive with
our conference peers and really nationally with everybody around the country,
and so we just feel like, you know, we've we've
fought hard to put some things into place so that

(01:06:55):
we can we can go toe to toe and again
hopefully it's transparent, hopefully we know the game that's being played,
and then from there we can we can adjust and compete.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
What is the Athletics Impact Fund.

Speaker 14 (01:07:09):
So that is our our version of covering some of
the expense of this new twenty point five million dollar
expense line that's hit every every Division one major college program.
So you know, everybody across the country is finding ways
to raise money into this, and so that this is
our version of that. We're asking for you know, the masses.

(01:07:33):
I mean, I think that that's how we're going to
attack this.

Speaker 9 (01:07:35):
At Cincinnati.

Speaker 14 (01:07:36):
We have three hundred and fifty thousand living alumni that
care about this place, that want us to be successful,
and so we feel like there's a play to get
to the masses kind of like an annual fund, you know,
donations into this fund to help us cover any gap
that we have between money that we have coming in
from the Big twelve media rights deal and the gap

(01:07:56):
between that and what it's going to cost to be
a full ship school, which is absolutely our intention and
I believe very strongly we'll be there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
In the middle of everything happening this week, the University
of Cincinnati has partnered with Ticketmaster. What is that going
to mean for Bearcat fans?

Speaker 14 (01:08:14):
You know, there's there's kind of two players in college
ticketing and and one is Ticketmaster. The other one was
the one that we were with for a long time,
Paty olin Uh. You know, we made a we made
a decision after you know, really a thorough evaluation of
sort of what was going to be best for us,
and to be honest, as we try to do some
really unique things around our fan experience and in the

(01:08:37):
technology side of where ticketing is going we just felt
tech ticket Master was a better a better fit for us.

Speaker 9 (01:08:44):
But you know, it's it's.

Speaker 14 (01:08:45):
Going to allow us to do some things with with
a new app and a new website and some different
things where we can we can push some elements to
our our fans through the Ticketmaster platform and through our
own apps using Ticketmaster. But you know it's about about
fifty percent of schools use Ticketmaster, fifty percent use another
company very similar. Should be able to still obviously have

(01:09:10):
your mobile ticketing, share your mobile ticketing and and all
those good things. But we felt like it was the
best fit and offered our fans the best experience.

Speaker 9 (01:09:20):
So now we're getting to work and.

Speaker 14 (01:09:23):
Making sure that we're we're ready to go and get
to launch it correctly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Good stuff, as always, should be an interesting summer and
upcoming fall season at the University of Cincinnati. John, I
appreciate the time as always, man, Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (01:09:38):
Thank you, Mom. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
The director of Athletics at the University of Cincinnati, John Cunningham.
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Question number two, who's the only team in the Big
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Who's still involved in the Big Three? Correct? Yes, Yes,
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Question number four, Which of these former NBA All Star
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So have not played in the Big Three?

Speaker 15 (01:14:04):
Is it a Allen Iverson, b Paul Pierce, Ce, Jermaine O'Neill.

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Mhmm, I'm gonna say the answer is the answer Alan Iverson?

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Oh oh ai is played in the Big Three? Paul Pierce,
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Speaker 10 (01:14:27):
Yes, he has not played in the Big Three.

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Interesting, all right, so it all comes down there.

Speaker 10 (01:14:30):
I was hoping he gets this one, because I I
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Star Game in twenty twenty three.

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I say that's a trick question, of course, but I'm
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of Bengals Mini Camp. We'll see if anything interesting happened today.
I don't think anybody popped off. I haven't seen any
Schamar Stewart headlines out there that coming up at about
fifteen minutes plus doctor Nick Early from Ortho since he
is going to join us to talk about Hunter Green,
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going to be measured in weeks and not days. Speaking
of Hunter Green's team, which I really wasn't. The Riad's
loss at eleven to two to the Cleveland Guardians, Nicolodolo
was not good. Today Cincinnati does win two out of three.
The five game winning streak is over. Not great news
about Austin Hayes, although Terry Francona after the game didn't

(01:17:12):
seem to think that a longer stay on the injured
list was going to be necessary, called him day to day.
I guess he's still dealing with some soreness. He's been
doing some running tests. There's been another MRI. I heard
nothing from Terry Francona suggesting what the results of the
MRI are. But I think a lot of us went

(01:17:33):
into this week hoping that by midweek Austin Hayes would
be back with the team, and that just simply hasn't
yet been the case. So that's worth paying attention to.
We're going to talk specifically about Hunter Green coming up
here in just about thirty minutes. Today's game came in
the afterglove what Andrew Abbot did last night. Andrew Abbott
has a very good case to be an All Star.

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He doesn't qualify for a lot of the leaderboard stats
because in order to like at the end of the season,
I'll try to make this as quick as possible. At
the end of the season, to qualify for the ERA
title or any of the major statistical leadership positions, you
have to have appeared in one hundred and sixty two

(01:18:17):
innings one inning per game. Andrew Abbitt has thrown just
over sixty two innings. The Reds haven't played sixty two games.
That being said, most of many of his metrics are
comparable to those of Paul's skeins. And last night Andrew
Abbott was awesome. He has been terrific this year and
he's kind of become the staff ace. And part of

(01:18:38):
that is Hunter's lack of availability. In between stints on
the injur list, he wasn't very good, but that has
more to do with Andrew Abbott being just lights out
more than anything else. I talked about this a little
bit yesterday, and it's a really obvious statement. We talk
a lot about what the front office can do, who

(01:19:00):
the front office can acquire, what the manager can do,
and are there roster tweaks that could be made between
now in July thirty first, Sure, I still really have
no idea why Garrett Hampson is on the team, But
it really is on the twenty six men right now
to put the team in a position where by the
end of July they matter. It's up to this team

(01:19:22):
is currently constructed, and it's up to this team is
currently constructed to get through. You know, whenever a schedule
is brought up, like every year on NFL schedule release night,
somebody references the gauntlet, right, like the Bengals, where is
the gauntlet? Well, the Rats are about to go into
a little bit of a gauntlet here, and frankly, it

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kind of started in Cleveland this week and the Reds
did win two of those three games. But the Detroit
Tigers are awesome. They go to Detroit this weekend. Minnesota
here at Saint Louis. The Cardinals are better than I
ever believe they would be. The Yankees are great, are
very good. Boston just called up baseball's top prospect. I'm

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not sure how good the Red Sox are, but I
know how good the Phillies can be. And the Reds
go there fourth of July weekend. Now the good news
is out of that. Then they get four at home
with Miami and three here against Colorado. So at the
end of the tunnel, leading into the All Star Break
are seven games of which you should win the majority
of them. But between now and then twenty one games

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against either really good or pretty good or supposed to
be good teams. We'll see if the Reds can get
through it. So all of that on top of the
Shamar Stewart stuff, which you know it was the big
story yesterday, and there is a lot riding on this
season for the Cincinnati Bengals. They drafted Joe Burrow to

(01:20:49):
win a Super Bowl with him. They signed him to
win a Super Bowl with him. They fell woefully shy
the last two years. I think most gave the Bengals
a pass for two years ago. Nobody gave him a
pass for last year. To not make the postseason when
your quarterback has an MVP finalist season is just a

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massive organizational failure. It's something that cannot be repeated this year.
It might not be championship or bust, but you can't
be nine to eight and on the outside looking in,
especially if Joe Burrow is as good as he was
last season. He was awesome. They have a guy who
for my money and you can say, I'm biased, is
the best quarterback in football? When you have the best
quarterback in football, barring some series of mitigating circumstances, you

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gotta be a playoff team at the very least. They
weren't last year. So there's a lot riding on this.
It's a lot riding on this season for Zach Taylor.
Coaches only get so many coaching overhauls. I do not
believe for a second that just because Marvin Lewis got
more than a decade and a half, that Zach Taylor
has a job for life. I don't believe that for

(01:21:56):
a second. I think at times during his tenure in Cincinnati,
Zach Taylor has been on thin ice. I know for
a fact it was openly discussed at the end of
the twenty twenty season. Are we moving forward with this guy?
I promise you there were discussions internally toward the end
of last season about Okay, what are we going to
do and moving forward to Zach Taylor going to be

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a part of what we do. Obviously, right now the
answer is yes. A whole bunch of coaches paid for
the organizational failures of last season. So many call Zach's
seat warm or hot, but he's in the position that
he's in because the idea is to win big with
Joe Burrow. So there's a lot riding on this season

(01:22:39):
for Zach Taylor. There's also a lot riding on this
season for Joe Burrow. Now you might go, well, wait
a minute, mane He's got a contract not going anywhere.
He's one of the most high, highly paid players in football.
His position is secure as any athlete maybe in the
history of Cincinnati, And there's certainly something to that. But
if you're Joe Burrow, do you hear what's out there?

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You and I both know there are people, as absurd
as they may sound, who when we talk quarterbacks, who
when we talk about you know, upper tier guys will
hold it against Joe the fact that his team has
been on the outside looking in the last couple of years.

Speaker 13 (01:23:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
I don't know how anybody in their right mind could
Number one hold two years ago against Joe Burrow because
he was hurt for most of it. But who could
Number two look at last year and see all the
problems the Bengals had and even include Joe Burrow on
the list of reasons why the Bengals fell short last year.
But at the end of the day, quarterbacks are judged
by how much do they win? Name me a quarterback,

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Name for me a Hall of Fame quarterback, or even
a not Hall of Fame quarterback who just had a
really good career, And what we will talk about first
is how many did they win? Especially with guys who
are on the outside looking in, and including guys who
are in the Hall of Fame, you cannot talk about,
for example, Dan Marino without somebody almost instantly mentioning that

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he might be the best quarterback to not win a
big one. Can't do it. You can't mention Aaron Rodgers
without mentioning without somebody bringing up, well, you know what,
as awesome a career as he has had, guy only
went to and won won Super Bowl. These guys are
judged by how much do they win. The early phase

(01:24:22):
of Joe Burrow's career is over. He's going into year six,
entering the prime years. He's closing in on thirty. So
with each year that he doesn't win, the more that
his team not winning is going to be held against him.
I said this to a caller earlier, I think there's
only five quarterbacks when the history of the Super Bowl

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era have won their first super Bowl after they've played
eight seasons. Doesn't happen that often. So it really genuinely
feels like if the Cincinnati Bengals are going to win
a Super Bowl with Joe Burrows the quarterback, it's going
to happen in the next three years. There is a
lot riding on this for Joe. He is among many
quarterbacks who have accomplished a lot statistically, who have done

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a lot of really good things for their teams and
won a lot of games, who don't have a ring yet.
Now Joe's different because he has been to a Super Bowl.
But you know that conversation is being had about Josh Allen,
It's being had about Lamar Jackson, It's being had, It's
going to start to be had about Justin Herbert. Happen
about a lot of guys in this league. So there's
a lot riding on this for every member of the organization.

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And there's a lot riding on it for you and
I as fans because we've put a lot of time
into this team. But there's more riding on it for
Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor than anybody else. Those two
guys have more to gain or lose than anybody else
even remotely associated with the Cincinnati Bengals a lot riding
on the success or failure of the team this season.

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So if you're either of those two guys, how are
you looking at this Shamar Stewart situation. Just make it
about Joe here for a second. You've you're finally, you're finally,
you've gotten to an off season. There's no injury issue.
There's no health issue. Knock On Wood. You know last
year he was coming off a season ending hand injury

(01:26:13):
that required surgery. This year, nothing, nothing, You've you've gotten through.
And again, like knock On Wood, who knows what's gonna
happen during training camp in the preseason. But you're healthy.
You've had the most normal off season of your career.
You're begging for one normal training camp. You've got a

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lot riding on this year. How exhausting must it be
to have not only the almost inevitable Trey Hendrickson thing
looming over the start of training camp in all likelihood,
maybe the end of training camp, possibly the start of
the season. But now you've got this Shamar Stewart thing,

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which has been in my opinion, at least completely avoidable.
How exhausting must this be? If you're the quarterback of
the team, you have more riding on this season than
maybe anybody except your head coach. You've checked every box.
You handle yourself with the utmost professionalism. You're known as

(01:27:17):
a gym rat, like you're the guy around which everything revolves.
You're begging for one semi normal training camp, and now
we got to spend the next five weeks wondering if
the team's first round pick is going to be there.
You're Zach Taylor hot seat. Playoffs are bust? Maybe playoffs

(01:27:38):
advancement or bust. At the end of the day, you
were hired to win a Super Bowl. Now you came
before Joe Burrow, but it's abundantly clear when you were
gifted Joe Burrow. The directive was, Zach, when is a title?
Your seat is hot? Despite the fact you've taken the
Bengals to consecutive AFC Championship games. Why is it hot?

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Because of last year's failures? And he can cash in
some equity, he doesn't have a Super Bowl title to
cash in, So dude's got a lot riding on this season.
Every day at training camp frequently during the offseason. He's
the guy that's got to be the spokesperson for the team.
He's the guy that's got to do press conferences, media availabilities,

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and every time he's going to answer questions that he
has nothing to do with, like contracts, talemates. You know
you've got Trey Hendrickson. You're gonna have to answer questions
about you. You're well versed in having to put on
a smile, put on a game expression, and maybe crack
a joke about a player's lack of availability. And now
you gotta do this with Shamar Stewart. How exhausting and

(01:28:44):
exasperating must this be. You might not be a big
Zach Taylor fan, but come on, man like, at some
point you got to give the people who have the
most riding on your success or failure every single chance
to succeed again. You might think that Trey Hendrickson thing
is all but unavoidable. I'm kind of with you there.
One of the things you could do for your coach

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and your quarterback who have a lot riding on this
season is take away all the unnecessary stuff. A contract
stalemate with your first round draft choice falls under the
category of unnecessary stuff. Kelsey Conway next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Last Thursday, I was watching
Good Morning Football on NFL Network, which I watched most mornings,
and they had an all female cast. I don't know
if it was all week. I know it was Thursday
and Friday, and on Thursday, Kelsey Conway was a part
of that cast, co hosting Good Morning Football with Jamie

(01:30:22):
Erdall and others, which was awesome to watch, And so
I didn't know if she was too big to be
on our show, but much to my surprise, she said yes.
When I asked her to be on today to talk
about the Bengals day too of Mini Caamp wrapping up
today and so here she is.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
How's it going, It's going great? How you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
I'm well. I did a good job in Good Morning Football.
I liked it. Are you gonna be back on that
show again?

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
I would hope.

Speaker 6 (01:30:46):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
I loved it. It was a great experience. I'm really
really grateful for the opportunity and would love to go
on again.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
All right, Well it was. It was fun watching you
and I appreciate you doing that and then lowering yourself
to join me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Oh please, this is never I would never consider that.
I look forward to these opportunities when I get to
come on here and.

Speaker 14 (01:31:08):
Talk with you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Well, thank you very much. So yesterday at Mini Caamp
was sort of a circus. Was there anything circus like today?

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Today? It was extremely tame compared to yesterday. Yesterday, I
got home at like five pm and I was just
like what happened today? It was surreal in just from
the minute I woke up, I got up and I

(01:31:38):
got right online to prepare a story for if Trey
Hendrickson was going to show up or not, so we
could be prepared for that, and then as that's going on,
news breaks that he's not coming. And then the next
thing I know, I'm writing a story about, well, they
didn't get Tamar Stewart signed, so he's not practicing. And
we get down there and practice was, you know, pretty

(01:32:02):
pretty tame and not a lot going on that first
first Mini Camp practice, and then after we were waiting
for Joe Burrow. And I don't think there's ever been
a time in my career here in Cincinnati where I've
left the Bengals facility saying, well, Joe Burrow talked, but
he wasn't my priority when I thought about what I
was gonna write. But yeah, yesterday was Yesterday was crazy.

(01:32:25):
Today was pretty chill. Not a lot going on, heard
from the coordinators after. But honestly, Mini Camp has become
just essentially just another two days of OTAs for the Bengals.
It's an opportunity for the players and coaches, I think
to you know, wrap some things up and put a
bow on it. But I don't think it's the spectacle

(01:32:46):
that it once was in terms of you know, they're
doing different things right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Yeah, But what it has done it has given a
platform to us Shamar Stewart and so you know you
were there talking with him yesterday. There's I've watched in
my life a lot of Bengals players pop off and
express frustration and bewilderment and kind of lay out their
case for why the Bengals should treat them differently, or
in some cases, why the Bengals should treat them better

(01:33:12):
or pay them more or trade them. All of those
players have played it down for them. Not a guy
who hasn't yet signed his contract. So here's what I'm curious,
because he he talked at great length, and you were
there and you were talking with him initially, and he
kind of made a reference to, like, you know, the
stars of the team having his back and I'm paraphrasing
him here. Should I be skeptical of that claim?

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
No, I don't think he would say something that isn't accurate. So,
having only gotten to know him a little bit, He's
only been with the team for what six weeks?

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
He everything you heard about him pre draft and when
the Bengals selected him is that there's absolutely no character
issues there. He's not someone that they've had to worry about,
you know, Dizzy loveful, He checked all of those boxes.
So I think we should take him at his word
in that if he says something that he's telling the truth.
And I would not be shocked if there were certain

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players who have dealt with the Bengals in recent years
from a contract standpoint that have said, yeah, you're doing
the right thing because you have to try and stand
up for yourself with this franchise sometimes when you're negotiating
with them, or they'll try and walk all over you.

(01:34:33):
So I would not be shocked knowing how ugly some
of those negotiations got. I mean, it was not smooth
sailing with Jamar Chase. We know it worked out, and
it worked out with Tee Higgins, but both of those
negotiations got really nasty at various points over the last
three years. So and I'm not saying that it was
Jamar and Tea. I'm saying I think that there are

(01:34:53):
people in the locker rooms that have had experience and
sometimes some of the tough conversations that happened with the
bank negotiations, and players you know, they want to stick together.
So I think that we should take him at his word.
And if you said that they're star players that have
told him that what he's doing is right, then I
think she's telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Uh do you think this gets resolved before training camp
starts on July twenty third.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
I I don't know, because why did it not get
resolved before this week? And it's easy to say, well,
it'll just get done before training camp. And my point
in bringing that up is, at what point are the
Bengals going to say, we wanted to try and introduce

(01:35:45):
this new clause. It didn't work out. It in turns
limited our first round pick from being able to do
what we need him to do. We should just bag
this and try again another year. I honestly thought that
it's at some point, right before Mini camp they would
have said, you know what, if you've made your stance

(01:36:06):
clear that you won't practice until you signed the contract,
let's take this clause out and let's go from there.
Because they have gone back and I put out a
video today on Twitter, I think this hasn't been reported
a lot, and I think it's important for people just
so that we're giving schmar Stewart the benefit of the
doubt here. The Bengals didn't just try and change one

(01:36:26):
thing in this contract. They tried to change a couple
of things, and from what I have been told, because
of his holdout, the Bengals have then gone back on
two of the things and there's only one issue left.
So that's where leverage comes into place. So for people
that don't understand why he's not practicing, everybody gets to

(01:36:47):
make a decision for themselves that's in their best interest.
And in this situation, when they have held strong and
used their leverage, it's forced the Bengals to go back
to the original language that he's So I would have
thought I would have gotten done by this week. It didn't,
so I it's easy for me to just come on

(01:37:07):
here and say, yeah, I think it'll be done by
mock turtle soup that Monday. We talked to Mike Brown.
But there's no reason to believe if they didn't cave
now that they will on training camp. And I think
that the Bengals front office, you know, has a little
bit to show here, and that is they haven't come
out with their side of what's going on. They clearly

(01:37:30):
have reasons for why they want to do what they
have to do, and they haven't shared it. So we
only have his side. So I think that the Bengals
are going to have to, you know, take the clause
out or find a middle ground, and the only way
that seems to happen is if they want to play
ball and make sure that he gets on the field.
So I honestly don't know. I would love to say

(01:37:53):
yes to appease fans listening and wondering if this is
going to be another training camp disaster, but I don't know,
because I thought it was going to be done this week.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
Do you think that these clauses would be a part
of the contract for the first round pick had it
been anybody but Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Yes. I think this isn't specific to Shamar Stewart. I
think it's clear that the Bengals want to add this
clause into the into the rookie contracts moving forward, and
I think they're choosing this year to do it for
whatever reason, we do not know, and that will be
something we ask when we get a chance to talk
to Mike Brown and Duke Tobin at the beginning of

(01:38:35):
the season. I don't think it's I don't think it's
because of Shamar Stewart because again, like he has checked
all the green boxes for characters, so it's not, you know,
like he comes into the checkered past. I think they
clearly want to set a new precedent, and they chose
this year to implement it, and it's just turning out
that this isn't the year that they're going to be
able to get away with it without having to sacrifice

(01:38:59):
their rookie eye being able to practice.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
I have and many have used the word avoidable. Right,
this feels avoidable. So how do you how do you
think it plays with the players who matter the most
that something avoidable is looming over the preparation for a
season that is immensely important to this team.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Well, that's where I go back to avoidable. But I
also use the word self inflicted here because I understand
they want to change the way they do business in
their contract and as Shamar told me, it's their contract.
They can choose to do what they want to do.
But the part of this that is missing here, and

(01:39:45):
this seems to be a common thread with some of
the things that have gone wrong with negotiations with the
Bengals in years past. It is the start of the
negotiations that gets things twisted sometimes. And I've said on
your show before I've talked to multiple people who have
been involved in the negotiation process with the Bengals at

(01:40:06):
some point that have said they're tough. They're tough negotiators,
and sometimes their initial offers don't make the person on
the other side feel great. And that is one hundred
percent the situation here with Shamar Stewart. His side is
we are already getting off on the wrong foot here,
and that is the reason why he's not signing the waiver.

(01:40:29):
And he didn't at first because he didn't believe that
the franchise is operating in good faith and that if
he were to get injured, he didn't think that the
team that is already trying to find a clause to
potentially not have to pay him if something goes wrong
down the line, he doesn't believe that that same team
would take care of him. And so when you look

(01:40:51):
at this from a thirty thirty foot view, I think
that this is the first time we're really seeing some
of the other contract situations that have gone sideways trickle
into a current situation. Because I know for a fact,
having talked to people on Shamar's side, almost every time

(01:41:12):
they bring up, well, do you see what they're doing
a Trey Hendrickson like. It's almost like this is a
shift in some of these things that we spent hours
talking about. With contract stuff with the Bengals, it's seeming
like it's all kind of coming to a head, and
Shamar Stewart is saying, well, I'm not going to be
the one that caves here. So I think it. I

(01:41:33):
think it is an issue, and I'm glad that Jill
Burrow came out and said that contract stuff is a
distraction and it's not just us media people, you know,
making that up. It is a distraction. And that's why
it would be in the Bengals' best interest to at
least get the Shamar situation figured out so that they
are not dealing with not having Trey and Schamar out

(01:41:55):
on the practice field that first training camp practice on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
The coordinators say anything interesting today, I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
What Al Golden said about the defense. When he looks
at the biggest things that stand out to him, he
keeps using to turn attention to detail, And I find
that interesting because it really sounds like his new voice
and leadership has kind of sharpened the edge there and

(01:42:26):
really kind of made everybody, you know, like posture up,
and it just kind of seems like there's a more
business like approach in terms of be on your p's
and q's all the time. And that is absolutely no
disrespect to lou Ana Rumo and what he was doing.
But sometimes you just need a new voice to reshape
and refocus your attention to detail, and it seems like

(01:42:47):
he thinks that that's coming across. And I thought what
he said about Miles Murphy. You know, Paul Danner Junior
asked him about Miles Murphy specifically, and he didn't just
come up with a way decide to up the question.
He said, it's go time. He knows it, it's go time.
So I think that those are two things that really
stand out to me about what al Golden specifically said.

(01:43:09):
I didn't really think there was a huge newsy item
that came out of Dan Pitcher. But the offense for
the most part, other than who's going to be playing
guard for them, is kind of we know what to
expect on that side of the ball. So that's why
I think, you know, he doesn't have to deal with
a lot of tough questions right now.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
I can't thank you enough for joining the show. And
giving us your time. I thought I was going to
have to go through an agent to get you to
do this, but that wasn't the case. So thanks very much.

Speaker 7 (01:43:38):
Thanks so much for having me on anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
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Cleveland would go on to win. In the series finale,
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the Florence yass Excuse me. We have a cough button
for a recent Florence Yaws play Wendy City. Tonight. There's
a bunch of wrestling matches before the game. The Bengals
held Day two of Mini Caamp today. They also announced
their twenty twenty five training camp schedule, a bit of
a change. Most of the practices are in the morning.
The first one open to the public will be on Wednesday,
July twenty third, and then you know, for years they've

(01:45:57):
practiced like between three and five. Now the practices open
to the public are going to be between ten and noon,
with the exception of the Saturday night stadium practice, which
a ticket will be quiet but will be required for
easy for me to say, on Saturday, August second, that
practice is at night. They also have a couple of
US season ticket and waitless members only practices. So there

(01:46:19):
you go. A full information I'll say a Bengals dot com.
Maybe we have it at ESPN fifteen to thirty dot com.
I don't know. I will look. I hope we do.
Tonight in Indianapolis, it's Game three of the NBA Finals.
OKC and Pacers tied at one game apiece. I think

(01:46:39):
Indie wins tonight. I think Indy. I still believe Oklahoma
City is going to win the series. I think Indiana
is going to win tonight. I think tonight, Haliburton has
to be less of a distributor and more of a scorer.
I also think Rick Carlile, for as deep as the
Pacers are, that depth is an advantage, and it was
against all the teams in the East. Okay sees as deep,

(01:46:59):
and I think in this series they've been deeper. If
I'm Rick Carlisle, I'm shortening my.

Speaker 10 (01:47:03):
Bench the night the last game Indy wins.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
You think you think Indy wins tonight and then okc
roles in six. Yes, that's kind of where I am too.
That's kind of where I am to. We will see,
we will see.

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Day revealed that on the TV broadcast over the weekend.

(01:47:58):
And so I guess, I guess let's begin with this.
They've done an MRI. They're trying to determine that the
groin issue is clean. So when they do that, what
are they looking for.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
In that situation, specifically, after somebody's had a groin injury
a groin pool, you're looking to see if there's any
significant damage to the tenons that are inserting around the groin,
to see if there's anything that would potentially even just
show tearing or significant injury that may require a longer
period of time of healing or potentially even some kind

(01:48:31):
of intervention. So, you know, from a standpoint of it
being clean, it doesn't necessarily mean that there's not an
issue at all. It just means that there's probably nothing
there that would be you know, considered a high grade
injury or something that's an identifiable, you know, kind of
tear that would require some kind of surgery or something
along those lines.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
So with the initial injury, he went on the injured
list for you know, basically two and a half weeks,
a little bit less than two and a half weeks,
missed a couple of starts, came back, made three stars.
Now they're talking about him missing multiple weeks and yet
no new damage revealed with the MRI. So I think
for a lot of folks, those two things don't add up.
How do they add up?

Speaker 5 (01:49:13):
So for the most part, you know, if you have
a straight up growing strain, you will get better with
time and healing and you know, some therapy and things
along the lines that I think that you.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
Know, most people will will improve with.

Speaker 5 (01:49:25):
However, the hip is a very complicated area in terms
of anatomy and in terms of things that could potentially
be causing trouble. And if you have an injury in
one area, it's very possible to sometimes start to have
compensatory injuries or other things that are going on. Sometimes
you could have an injury in a couple of different places,
so you can injure the growing muscles, which are some

(01:49:48):
of the muscles that are kind of attached to the
They come all the way down your leg. You're a
large kind of hamstring muscles that come up into the
area where we think of our typical growing muscles and
growing attachment there. But there's also a lot of different
structures and the hip that could be associated with you know,
hip and groin pain that may not be just from

(01:50:10):
those structures. And that's where I think you can start
to you know, see, okay, the MRI looks okay, but
we're still having pain in this area. Is there something
you know from another structure that we're not seeing on
the MRI potentially that could be causing an issue. One
of those structures you know, can be associated with back
you know back issues or other parts of the hip

(01:50:31):
in pelvis or even adominal wall sometimes which can can
lead to pain in the area of the groin without
necessarily having you know, damage to the to those growin
muscles on the inside part of your leg that we
typically typically think of when you think of a groin injury.
And so that's where it can get a little bit

(01:50:52):
you know, unclear sometimes and I think you can sometimes
have to get additional imaging of other structures or just
try to treat other areas in addition to the growing
pool that's you know, giving you some issues, and it
can become a little bit less predictable, and I think
you know, that's where the time frame becomes a little bit, uh,

(01:51:14):
you know, a little less clear.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
Does similar explanation work for answering the question about how
this might be affecting as lower back?

Speaker 5 (01:51:24):
Yeah, So, for one thing, what we see is that
people who have hip issues oftentimes will you know, have
some back issues or back tightness as well. For one thing,
you can start to change your gate and walk funny,
you can start to get tightness in some of the
muscles against some compensatory tightness. The other side of it

(01:51:45):
is that sometimes back issues can sometimes cause hip issues,
or you can actually have some you know back tightness
or or you know, some other kind of lower grade
types of injuries that can just lead to potentially having
you know, some tight to some some soreness in the hip.
So they oftentimes kind of play off each other and
can be separate but related. And so for sure, you know,

(01:52:10):
it would not be out of the question that you
could be having a back issue that could be contributing
to your hip.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
How is the treatment and rehab effected given the fact
that we're now talking about possibly something here that just
goes beyond a groin injury.

Speaker 5 (01:52:23):
So you know, once again, it really depends most of
the time. You know, if it's something that's it's going
to be muscle related or you know, kind of muscle
and tended and potentially some of the deeper ligaments in
the uh in the area around that part of the body,
you know, it's gonna be something that's still gonna be
treated with time, rest, rehab, and the time frame kind

(01:52:46):
of depends on the severity of the problem, you know,
without without knowing exactly what the situation is now in
terms of the back, most back things are going to
are going to be treated the exact same way in
terms of just trying to approach it. It's just a
matter of how exactly you know to to manage the
rehab and and the big thing about you know, the

(01:53:08):
back is also is obviously you know, that's a little
bit less predictable in terms of you know, just the
timeframe of how how that will affect him over the
course of of of his kind of recovering here than
just like a normal muscle strain, because back issues tend
to be kind of more recurrent for people once a once,

(01:53:30):
like a growing strain, is healed up for the most part,
you know that will get back to where it's one
hundred percent normal. The question is with any back issues,
are there underlying, you know, structural things or is this
just more of a muscle tightness issue that just is
going to require some some you know, recovery time and
some rehab. However, even that tends to be something that
is a little bit more recurrent for people.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
Often on makes total sense. Hunter Green, very important to
this team and going to be out for a while.
Hate that we're talking about this, but awesome inside as always.
Doctor Nick Curley from Orthosincy, thanks so much.

Speaker 5 (01:54:04):
All right, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
That's our guy. Doctor Nick Early from Orthos Sincy. I
say it every single week because it's true. The great
thing about Orthos Sincy is they have specialists and locations
all over the Tri State, including walk in orthopedic urgent
care weekdays nine a m. To nine pm and on
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Learn more at Orthosincy dot com. It's definitely cheaper than

(01:54:28):
going to an er, and it's certainly easier because you
never need an appointment. Whenever you have an urgent orthopedic injury,
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That's orthos ci ncy dot com. Tarn is playing music,
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(01:54:52):
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(01:55:17):
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(01:55:42):
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