June 24, 2025 • 113 mins
The Elly show continues, a pivot from the Reds, and the part of the Bengals offseason we shouldn't be ignoring. Plus it's Chase Burns MLB debut hear from the guy who's probably watched more of Chase's starts than anyone. Paul Dehner Jr joins Mo to talk Bengals and the doof who threw a tantrum because Ja'Marr wouldn't sign an autograph.
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Speaker 1 (01:15):
How's it going. It's going going really well. It's going
to be back here.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
You know a week away you were you were managing
your season load management season last last week. I appreciate that,
you know, because it's some load management for all of us.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
It is.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It's load managements. I had to explain to my wife
because she heard me mention load management season. Yeah, and
it's kind of it's a it's a basketball term. It's
an NBA term, you know, but the players don't play
all eighty two games. They take time off and they
call it load management. And so that's I've taken on
that term load management season. And I like, I found
after about three minutes her interest it didn't just wane.
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She was like, I'm good, I don't care. I should
get asked. You just should have said, you know what,
you're not going to find it that interesting because I.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Didn't, And that's okay, but you know, I'm glad you
enjoy It's good to have you back. Nice to have
you back on the airwaves. There is plenty of plenty
to talk about. The Reds are fun this week. The
Reds are fun.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The Reds are I mean, I was I think I
tweeted this to Austin.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
This might be a fun as we reach the let's
make up some things to talk about time.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
If you can.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Get a baseball team that grabs your interest right now
and is exciting and it is in a Pennant race
in September, truly one of the best things in all
of sports fandom, Like there is nothing better, and if
the Reds are setting themselves up for that right now,
I'd love to compile a list of the top five
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things in sports fandom, like individual things across any sport
that you like for your team, It's hard to top
September when your your team is in the Pennant race.
If you can get it to there. It's just been
so long around here.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Right Yeah, Well, and I think what's fun about this team?
And I said this to somebody at lunch today, I go,
this team is fun. I'm waiting for them to cross
over into officially good because I think we're all still
trying to find figure out like they're fun, they're interesting,
Are they good?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And I still don't know. The coming weeks may determine that.
But I think what's fun about this team right now
is they're kind of with what they've done with Chase Burns,
what they did with Jamber Candelario, they're kind of behaving
like a good team.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, but this hasn't always been the case.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
This is the moment in the season where the Tito
effect needs to be re emerging.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
As a storyline.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah right, where Okay, everybody wanted to make a big
deal out of it in spring training, and that's fine, Like,
you know, yes, that's setting the tone. But the difference
is when you get to the point that the season
gets long, and the stretches get hard, and the decisions
with some people start getting a little tougher, and you've
got to start to really define the direction in getting
people still happy to come to work every single day,
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which is such the biggest part of of owning that gig.
The Tito effect can start to show up, and I
think what you're seeing you know, it's not like they
haven't been good this time of year in the.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Past, so now we only a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Yeah, obviously we've seen that, but I think it feels
so much more sustainable now and it feels like they're
acting like it isn't a surprise what's happening a little
bit more and that I think what will happen over
this next stretch The place that they haven't gone before
with even a young, exciting team is where does the
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Tito effects start to show up now in that he
starts pushing all the right buttons to get them to
find that next level that you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, you know, I've talked about this a little bit
with Tony and Austin a few minutes ago and a
lot yesterday afternoon. Chase Burns is going to pitch tonight,
which would be interesting if the Reds were twelve games out.
But it's to me, it's it's less about a glimpse
into the future and it's more about we need a
guy who can help us win two night's game, which
is not.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Always how they've behaved, right.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's typically they call a guy up and it's like, well,
let's let's see if he's any good and if he
can stick, and you know, we'll give you a glimpse
of what the future might be. Like, Hey man, we
need this guy's our best option to win tonight's game.
And I think using him instead of some other guy
Louisville or going getting a guy who was DFA or
just another bullpen game. They're behaving with what they're doing
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with Chase Burns like a team that's serious about winning,
and that is so refreshing.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I I was loving.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I was listening to Power Stacks with Charlie and Brian
last week and they were they were talking about Charlie
had gone down to Louisville and talk to Chase and
before any of this became a thing, and the conversation
then was like.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, when could he come up? When when would that be?
Speaker 5 (05:44):
And it was very It was it's not that they
didn't feel like he could get guys out right now
he can't, and they believe that he's built to handle
these moments. There's a reason they bet on him and
bet on him. And when they did this sort of
deep scout that they started doing on him, it was
that there is still a big picture plan here, of sure,
any limits and what you can do, but that doesn't
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mean there can't still be moments, and there could be
more moments to come later in the season.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Maybe this is a little one, maybe this is a
bigger one.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
But the point is that they felt like he was
built to be able to do something like this.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's just you didn't think the situation would come up
right now.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
But the fact that they leaned into it says we're
not afraid to lean in who we do believe that
we do have in Chase Berns, even if the big
picture plan doesn't necessarily change.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
So, since you're the Bengals reporter and we're talking about baseball,
do you want to spend some time on Joe Burrow
at that fanatics fest not being able to.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Is he trying to throw a new fangled slurve? Do
we think he was trying to like work on a pitch.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I don't know. I don't know what he was doing.
But I was talking about this with friends of mine
at the ballpark last yeah, and I said, you know
what that is to me is a reminder that throwing
a baseball when you haven't done it for a while
is not as easy as you think.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And we see this often with first pitches.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Yeah right right. We often see this when guys or
women throw out ceremonial first pitches. Where there are times
where you see somebody take the mound to throw one
of those and you're like, oh, this will be good,
and it's not because if it's something you haven't done
in a while, I don't care if you throw footballs
for a living, it can be kind of tricky.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Now.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I said that to somebody last night and got laughed at,
which is part for the course, but I.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Believe it to be true. Highly recommend utilizing the bullpen inside.
If you're going to be throwing out the first pitch,
just just get a get a couple in. You don't
want to go out there without a throw. You don't
want to go out there just like hoping it that
you still know what you're doing. Go use the bullpen gets,
just throw a couple down there and call it. Call
it a day before you go out there. We talked
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to Mike Mike GISICKI had to do one recently and
apparently it came in very high, and he's like, I
just had one message to me, don't durt it. It's
all anybody said was when you go out there, you
got to have him have something in your head. His was,
don't durt it, throw it up high, and maybe it was.
If it's too high, obeit, but you don't want it
to turn into a Mayor Mallory situation or something like that,
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where you're throwing it off down to the side. So
have a good clear head, get some throws in before
you go. It's just not that easy. However, Joe Burrow, Yeah,
you would think.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Hasn't he thrown out a first pitch before? Yeah? Yeah, yes,
I feel like it was fine. Sure, it certainly wasn't memorable, Okay,
but was he trying to like show something on the gun?
Was he throw a breaking ball?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
It looked like he was trying to get like they
had some sort of you know, pitch tracking on how
much movement he was getting or something he was trying
to get. That's that's what it looked like to me,
which whether it was or not, that's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
So I threw at a first pitch today. What they
were the Florence Freedom at the time, and this is
how I came to believe that there is a god
so I threw at the first pitch. I had gone
to a business day special at GABP, took the day off,
and then I made my way to Florence and it
was thirsty Thursday. Well, and I got there when the
gates opened and our friend Lindsay Patterson was with me. Yeah,
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and they had bourbon slushes. Oh wow. And so I'm like, well,
it's hot out, I'll have a bourbon slush. And then
I had another one and I had nothing but time
to kill. So then it's time to bring me down.
And it's like and I prayed to God, like just
just please, God, let me get it there. And I
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don't want to say I threw a strike, but I
got it there, and I walked away going there there
is a higher being. He just answered my prayer, because
without divine intervention, I'm not sure I could have gotten
it there.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
I feel like the person who scheduled you as the
one to throw out the first pitch for the Florence
Freedom also praying to God as he saw you coming
down the steps, oh yes.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Oh please let this not go sideways and I lose.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
My summer internship. Oh yes. Oh well, and the thing
is like there was like two corporate sponsors before me. Yeah,
and you know that they were not impressed by my
act whatsoever. And they and they got it there. So
I'm like, great, now here I go. You know, radio
Boys shows up and it was. It was the day
after Bronson Royo did the a role as Chatman did
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the summer salt after saving the game. So I try
to do a summersault. Oh not so great. Yeah, that
one wasn't as good. But I got the ball there.
That's it's all that matters, all right, fourteen after three o'clock.
I would rather talk about first pitches than the stadium deal.
I'm with you. But it's a big, big, big week.
It's a big week. It is for the future of
the Bengals. You've written about this extensively, for the athletic
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We do have to talk about it. I want to
talk about the new sort of rebranded, remade training camp
because we're gonna have morning practices. Now, I'm kind of
curious as to how this is gonna work. I guess
we have to talk about Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart
and should you throw a temper tantrum if an athlete
doesn't sign an autograph. I didn't talk about this yesterday
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because I wanted to talk about it with you. Oh
well good. So we have a lot to get to.
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We did Bengals Bets Bengals bets Best Bengals bets.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, three bees.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
It was it was good.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I was that was fun. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
There was a lot of interesting I was surprised, and
we really started diving deeper into finding some of the
more like the one the Trey Hendrickson Shamar Stuart side
by side. I mean, honestly, I mean, I just I
couldn't believe it when I saw it that Trey Hendrickson
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to win Defensive Player of the Year. He's tenth in
odds at plus twenty eight hundred, and Shamar Stewart, currently
without a team and with four and a half sacks
to his name at the college level, seventh for Defensive
Rookie of the Year at plus fifteen hundred. You're telling me,
I'm getting better value on the guy who finished second
in Defensive Player of the Year and might play is
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the angriest edge rusher in football this year versus whatever's
happening currently with Shamar Stewart. Stunning to see that, and
I was like, get that's there's value for you. But
it was a lot of a lot of fun ones in there,
and you know, I don't want to be liable for
some of our selections. But I think we had some
good ones in there. I think there's good advice in there.
We had some good ones.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And I will tell you this, every wager I talked
about on your podcast this morning is a wager I
have made.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, I have put my money where my mouth is.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Not huge sums, but a comfortable amount of money, an
amount of money that will make me nervous if if
we're on the edge of.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
A few things happening. Yeah, I mean there's good value
on the Bengals right now. I think in a number
of different spots.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You've written about this in great detail.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
This is a big week for the Bengals, pay Corpse Stadium,
the team's future in Hamilton County. Give me the dumb guy,
Cliff notes, I haven't been following this at all.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Version basically June thirtieth. There is a deadline six days
six days, but you know you have commissioner meetings that
this is where this it's the county and the team
who are negotiating, and there's a meeting on Thursday. It's
kind of the last one before the deadline, so stuff
can happen between there, but it's here.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
This week.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
We've reached this point where some sort of extension or
new lease needs to be negotiated, figured out and approved.
If not, the Bengals on June thirtieth need to send
a letter of their intention to exercise one of the
five two year rolling extension windows that they can push forward,
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and at that point they there's a pretty good chance
they're going to start exploring what their options are in
other places. They can't if we get to June thirtieth,
June thirtieth and there's no deal and the Bengals say,
we're just gonna hit the two year rolling extensions.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Which would take them through twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Through twenty seven, through the twenty seven season into twenty eight, yes,
through the twenty seven season, and at that point then
they can essentially do that, but it definitely opens up
the idea of what else is out there. The idea
is to not have to do that. Both sides have
said their emphasis is hitting this deadline, getting it done
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so nobody has to go to that staying in Hamilton County,
being downtown, renovating pay Course Stadium to keep it up
to par.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
There has been.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
You know, there's other stuff that's out there in terms
of what it could look like it may be a
watered down version of that, it may not. There's a
bunch of smaller questions that are all details that are
kind of boring, and I know most people gloss over.
The bottom line is they've got to figure out whatever
their answers are on those and everybody be happy with
it and vote it or else. It kind of is
an inflection point where it opens up a new conversation
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for the Bengals to start having. Now, is that something
that they're.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Willing to do?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Would they do it?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
The ramifications of doing that are massive. I don't know,
nobody wants to start having those conversations. But by June
thirtieth is the date where you can secure the team
here for a longer period of time in a renovated
facility to not have to worry about this or I
have to talk about it again, which wuld be great,
just not for a while.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Would that effectively be an agreement that they're gonna stay
and they're going to renovate the facility, But it would
come without details. We're not going to start seeing new
renderings and stuff like that, right.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
No, I mean it would be under the idea, this
is what's gonna happen, right, and here's the rent, here's
the plan, here's what we want, and this is what
it's gonna be. Yes, I mean, it's the time to go.
I mean Baltimore is it's a different situation. But they
put in place a few years ago a three year,
four hundred and nine million dollar renovation that they're in
the middle of now like they're they're doing it, and
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it kept Baltimore for you know, in it there for
certain number of years. Charlotte just did one in terms
of downtown stadium renovations, no new construction renovating. They just
did when they signed almost on this exact day last
year to do one in their The process is starting
for them too. It can it starts quick. I mean
they have been doing stuff to the stadium regularly and
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have had stuff that they've been clearing. But this is
kind of the big point on the bigger renovation that
everybody acknowledges needs to happen for them to stay in
pay course stadium for a longer period of time. How
long will that will be a part of this, How
much it will cost, who will pay for it? Those
are all the smaller questions, but the bottom line is
are they going to come out and say, hey, Bengals
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are still here, We're all good for X number of years,
or it's gonna be two year rolling extension.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Now we have a new set of questions to wonder
about between now and next Monday. What are the potential
hang ups? Well, I mean who's paying what? Right?
Speaker 5 (17:27):
I mean there's been attempts to get state funding that
have been haven't gone great. So who knows that the
percentages that are going to be paid by the team
versus the county. The length the hang ups could certainly
be in the length. Is it a new lease? Is
it an extension of the old lease? Those can be
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hang ups. Really to me, it comes down to the
money and who's paying for it, you know, I mean,
like all things, and so there's other stuff in there,
but I think it's going to be Look, nobody wants
to see.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
You know this. We've talked about it so many times.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
This is year, this is days, weeks, years, months, decades
of consternation about this lease that has been a thing
since the stadium felt it has been a thing, and
the whole idea being next time it can't be like
this for the taxpayer, sure, right? And and the people
that are sitting there now making those decisions understand that
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pressure or in in our tough spot like it's that's
a lot of there's a lot hanging over that, and
so but it's to make sure that this deal isn't
what the last one felt like it was to to
those people that have experienced it.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But and you could tell me if I'm dead wrong,
it feels like the Bengals have expressed that understanding. Yes, right,
we've we've enjoyed a sweetheart deal, and we we certainly
are coming to the taxpayers for more money. But our
next deal, our next lease, is not necessarily going to
be as tilted in our favor as our current one.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I think there's there's certainly been, even in the way
that they have acted in recent years with some of
the renovations, there shown a much more certainly a willingness
for their contribution to look different than it did then.
I don't know if they would stand up and say
we got a sweetheart deal. I think there's a belief
there that this the deal that was signed was good
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for everybody in terms of what happened in the banks
and what happened downtown and all of that, but I'm
saying that's so I don't know. I don't know specifically
if they would come out and say something like that,
but I do think that, yeah, I mean, there is
a different feeling of contributing, but it's it's comparing it
to what is happening in some of the other markets,
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and everybody knows like that was a main piece of
what the county wanted to feel like they were signing
something that was in line with everywhere else and not.
What it has felt like in their eyes is that
this doesn't look like so many of the other deals
other markets. Feeling like it wasn't good for them, and
so they want to feel like it is. And they
you know, they brought in the guy David Abrams who's
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done a bunch of deals at other places, to be
a consultant and try to try to help with that.
That's been a major point of eventsis for them they
wanted to feel like other market deals. But if the
Bengals aren't willing to go there then and you have
a gap that then maybe you end up at a
point where they say, well, we're not here, and they
hit the two year rolling thing and off we go.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Are you gonna start covering County Commission meeting. I don't.
I mean I don't want to that you don't want to.
I'll be watching Thursday.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I can't think of anything I'm going to do last,
no question, But I hate this and that's why, you know,
we've we've talked about this many times the show, like
I don't want to bring this in here. We have
hardly talked about on my podcast. I haven't written about it.
I was like, you said, let me know when I
need to know something. This week we need to know
something and it's relevant this week. We've kind of come
to the head here of seeing where this this moment
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ends and if whatever happens, by the thirtieth we'll know
what comes next a little bit more and what new
questions were asking or what is being celebrated or whatever.
But this is the week that we needed to know something,
and so here we are trying to help people understand it.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Does this feel like it will be an eleventh hour
thing either way? I feel like these things always are
like we're not going to know today. This is gonna
come down well Thursday, I mean Thursday at the meeting.
Thursday is the meeting. Thursday is the meeting, and then
at that point, you know, there's nothing really scheduled until
the deadline, so I you know, Thursday certainly feels significant
in terms of whatever happens there. You want to keep
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talking about it, I don't.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I don't. I want to talk about the team. I
want to talk about the offense. I want to talk
about Al Golden, I want to talk about good others
like I want to talk about other things.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
But it is fairly relevant over at pay Course Stadium.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Okay, So we're gonna talk about the offense when we
come back, because there's another prop bet that I couldn't
find on the board that I want to make, and
it's Bengals offense related.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Okay, that's coming up next. Have you already made it?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No, because I can't find any body he'll take the action, Okay,
but maybe you'll take it. I don't know. It's three
thirty Sports Headlines next. Paul Danner Junior's with us from
the Athletic and the Growlar Podcast. Paul has written in
very good detail about the Bengals stadium deadline issue, so
go read that at the Athletic dot Com. It's also
written a very good piece on Dan Pitcher and Bengals
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offensive continuity, and we're going to discuss that next on ESPN.
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Speaker 4 (22:30):
I think you should continue.
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for Cincinnati tonight, Friedel's and center McLean's at second, Elie
de la Cruz at shortstop, Steers and left Stevenson is catching.
Rehese Hines is in right field tonight, making his first
start since being called back up. Jose Trebinho's dhing Tonight
ces at first, Santiago spinal Is at third base. The
Reds officially to the contract of Chase Burns from Louisville.
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They have optioned the Yasvars, who are led it to Louisville,
and Austin Hayes is said to begin a rehab assignment
at Double A Chattanooga Also tonight, Florence Yawls hosting Windy
City Paul Danner. Jenner is here.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
You know what I can do next time I'm in here,
give you a report on the Chattanooga Lookouts really yeah,
because we're we're doing a vacation down into the mountains,
Smoky Mountains. I gonna go to Chattanooga for a couple
of days. I'm gonna pop into a Lookouts games, see
the new the first season first half champs. Yeah right,
so I can come back with a full Lookout support.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Okay on whatever I saw it. If you have any
sign me up. Very interesting. We drove through Chattanooga on
our way to Florida. Yes, and I said to my
wife have jokingly, I think the Lookouts are in town.
Do you want to go? And that was shot down quickly.
That is one of the few sort of area pseudo
regional minor league parks I haven't been to.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, it looks. It looks fun.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
They're a little it's a fun little downtown, my kids
only care, hotel, hotel, pool, a few things to do.
We're good to add on to the trip. So I'm
but I'm I'm excited. I'm I told, I told Charlie
and Brian I'm dropping in on power Stacks as well
to give my Lookouts report that night.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Very good. Oh yeah, big time, big time stuff. I
can't wait When is this trip next? Uh, it's over
the over the fourth, over the fourth of July. Very good.
You wrote about Bengals offensive continuity in year two of
Dan Pitchers. Yeah, are you ready for my prop bet? Yeah,
let's hear it. Dan picture's a head coach in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
You know, I I have certainly discussed this often and
I was might be the head coach of the Bengels
in two thousand. You know, there's a couple of things there.
Let me start by this. I will say this. I
was one of the most stunning things of this offseason
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was that Dan Pitcher didn't get a sniff of an
interview right now. I thought, it's it's underappreciated. The things
that he did and the way that he attacked, the
sort of evolution of the offense last year, and his
back I've always you know, he's gotten interviews before. I
really thought that he would have been in the head
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coach mix, at least getting one or two as amongst
a group of ten. Right we saw so many names
out there, and it's like, how is Dan Pitcher non
of the mix? Was very surprising to me. But the
end of the day, you know, these coaches will always
not get as much credit because of Burrow, and that
Burrow is just out here doing everything. And that's Brian
Callahan fought that for years and so does Zach Taylor still.
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And you can't have the lack of success in general.
But if the Bengals make a run, if they put
together a run and they go to the Super Bowl
or the AFC Championship, or they have an offense that
is currently built to very easily be the best in football,
how is he not right? How is he not getting
real interviews? How are you not talking to this guy?
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When you look at his background. What he's done is
track record. He's got scouting background, he's got coaching, can
handle a franchise quarterback, he has everything, and and he
has done a great job, I think with this offense,
and they.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Are set up to take to really take off right now.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
And I think the confidence anybody gets in doing a
job the second time around, even if it's a job
that you felt as prepared as you could have as
you were the quarterback coach, like really getting it to
and then on top of that, not having to do
a bunch of new stuff having all these same pieces
back as a rarity. They just are really set up
to have a special season. And if that happens, I mean,
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look around the league, look at these Look at the
coaches that.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
End up getting these job.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I mean, Dave Knalis, I mean, guys come out of nowhere,
all Liam coach guys come out of nowhere all the time.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
With even just one good year.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Man this, it's not like it wouldn't make sense if
they had the type of year that they're capable of having.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
So there's my, there's my.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That's a good bat that I don't know where you
find that.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I can't find that action, which is why I couldn't
mention it this morning. And reading the piece, which I
know came out a little while ago. You've done this
for a while, and you know, I know you talked
to different offensive coordinators. The detail that he provided and
talking about what they could do this year, what he's learned,
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what last year was like, how it translates to twenty
twenty five was striking to me.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yeah, last year, you know, they talked a lot about
starting to dictate terms to the defense and forcing the
defense to react to what they're doing. And that was
in simplistic for terms moving Jamar Chase around and making
them have to react to them, right, And we saw
what that did Triple Crown, And now it is understanding
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the counters to that because Joe has built so much
chemistry with all the other pieces now too, and they've
learned about how to have counterattacks to all the things
that teams started doing or want to do to try
to stop Jamar Chase and.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
All the moving around.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
But the bottom line is Chase has the weapon and
the way they started using them leaves defenses with not
much that they can do. You can't just sit there
and say we're doubling Jamar when you don't know where
he's going and where he's coming from. And the tactics
that they use. The Bengals as the year went on
and Burrows the year went on, really started to understand
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with Mike Kasicki and with Chase Brown how they can
specifically counter those types of things. And so now they've
had all off season to build on that stuff that
can really add in and with the recalibration of the
running game with it, you know, because now with Scott
Peters here and no run game coordinator, Dan has kind
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of taken on a little bit more of that stuff,
and they've tried to tweak with the some of the
stuff they were doing there to get a little more
going there. But all of that can help build on
having more counters to whatever teams are going to try
to do to stop Jamar, and they just keep trying
to do whatever they were doing last year. Well, you
can just keep throwing to Jamar. You used to always
have that in your back pocket when you've got those two.
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So they are in an unbelievable place in terms of
where they're at offensively and where they're starting from.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
This is a credit to your writing. But there have
been few things that I have read that have gotten
me as excited, you know, in an off season where
we've talked about turmoil and distractions and what they haven't
done in free agency and the Trey Hendrickson and Jamar
Stewart things. Just reading that, I started to think, like this,
at the very least, I'm gonna watch that this year.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
This team can have the number one offensive football and
if you have that, you know what you are probably
gonna do, compete for Super Bowl. It's just they are
set up to be that good. Now we can talk
about the offensive line and the depth and the guards,
and I get that, yeah, but I think that their
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offensive line is at the very least in the same
place it was last year, if not even a little
bit better. When you consider what we now know about
the level that Alex Kappa and court E. Wolson played
at last year, and you have year two of MEM's
healthy Orlando Brown, you're hoping that something happens better at
card But it's hard to be worse. So even with
all of that, I just, you know, I just think
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they're in a spectacular place to change things. And I'm
really curious to see how they build around Chase Brown
because that it's really been super underdiscussed. Yes, the fact
that you know, they were fine running a ball last year,
but they saw so much room for improvement and ways
(31:36):
to tweak things and get a few more you know,
we saw how explosive he is when he gets the
ball in his hands and gets space to get a
get a higher percentage of his carries. That creates some
more of that space for him. That that build the
offensive running game around his skill set. It wasn't this
time last year it was how much is he gonna play?
(31:56):
Even is it gonna be a split, how do you
feature Zach Ma. Now you know what you have and
they've had an off season to recalibrate around that, you
can maybe be you hope, more explosive in the running game.
There's just so much room for growth when you get
this kind of continuity and a coordinator who has made
his career off of these sort of very smart, calculated
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adjustments and usage of league trends and being analytical, all
these things that Dan Pitcher has had that's helped him
move up to this point. And now you give him
a year's worth of you know, tape and lessons to
build off of. I just think the possibilities are kind
of endless. And that's before we start talking about the
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next level for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Well, yeah, that too, but I mean the Chase Brown thing.
A year ago, we were still kind of wondering, you know, yeah,
and it was how are they going to use them,
which if you go back to early in the season,
they weren't. We were still getting phone calls about how
good Joe Mixon was in Houston, and that in part
was a reflection of what the running game was not doing.
But you know, a year ago, at this time, it
was how's he going to be used And no matter
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how he's used, is is he going to be able to,
you know, increase his productivity? And now he's a known
quantity on an offense has a lot of quantities.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
We were talking about this on the Betting Show today
and I said, you know, this is insane, but if
we're going to talk about wild value that you just
throw something on Chase Brown currently going off at one
hundred to one to win Offensive Player of the Year.
So this isn't saying me that it would happen. But
let's not forget that over the second half of last
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season when they did evolve into the offense that they
were going to.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Be, weeks nine through seventeen.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
A long period of time, he was fifth in the
league in yards from scrimmage. The chemistry he developed with
Burrow when the play broke down, the off script stuff
that he would consistently create was unique and what created
a ton of big time plays. And that's before they
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start talking about trying to get more out of him
in just the basic run game. I'm not saying that's
gonna happen, but at one hundred to one, I'm interested
in whatever the guy who was fifth in yards from
scrimmage the second half of last season, is gonna do
in an offense that maybe takes a stap.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Have you ever been turned down when you've asked somebody
for an autograph?
Speaker 5 (34:25):
I'm sure probably, I'm sure as a kid that I have.
I'm sure that i've. I've There's plenty of those occasions
where you're you're you're the little gapper that's standing there
on the side, you got your little baseball and you
just kind of hold it up, but you're not assertive
enough to get it, or it skips over top of
you just kind of look at you.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
And move on.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Or Yeah, that I've never although I've never been I've
never been in approach in a public place type of
guy one time in my life. Now, this wasn't for
an autograph. I've told this story a few times. But
I'm a big outcast fan. Chad knows that he plays
me without casts every time I come on with him.
But I was in the Atlanta airport and Andre three
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thousand is on the escalator right next to me as
I go up and we and I'm just kind of thinking,
like what am I gonna say? Truly, like I this
is I'm in awe that I'm here, and so we
were going he was going to the same baggage claim.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Very interesting guy. So we start.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
I just kind of strike up a conversation, tell him
I'm a big fan whatever. He's incredibly nice, and We're
just standing there waiting for our bags, and I'm thinking, like, man,
I'm so happy I checked a bag on this trip,
right and talking to him, and I'm not telling him
about We're talking about like his are they gonna get together,
They're gonna go on a tour, they gonna do whatever,
Like we're just my favorite songs. He's so nice, And
(35:43):
finally I just go can I get a picture? And
he goes, oh no, no, no picture, no picture. He goes,
that's the old I'm happy to stand here and talk
to you as long as you'd like. But one picture
turns into a thousand pictures. And I was like, at
this point, a crowd starts to gather a little bit
as we're talking, and and I so I it sort
(36:04):
of ended or whatever, and I was like, oh, okay,
I get that, Like I get it. It always becomes
a thing. One is not one, one is a thousand,
and but I always think of that, and I will.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I'll never forget that moment for the rest of my life.
But you got to talk him. You've got that experience.
It was great, better than any photo.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I mean, I would have liked a photo, but better
than any photo or automaph ever, would have been just
to have that story.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Well, this idiot who I guess, saw Jamar Chase on
an airplane and apparently asked for an autograph, and Jamar
said no, And it would have been nice had he
said yes. But Jamar Chase signs a lot of autographs. Ah,
And so this guy, instead of just sort of moving
on about his day, decides to go on TikTok and
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throw a temper tantrum and film Jamar Chase as he's
admonishing him for not signing his autograph. What are we doing?
What are we doing as a society? As as any
as anybody. I don't, I don't. I don't understand. This
is an adult ostensibly an adult here right ostensibly I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean in growth, not in like not in like intellect.
I mean, I don't.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
I don't understand the concept of anybody owes you anything
because they're fain like I don't know me anything.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
You're like, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
You don't have to, Like, if they don't want something
right now and they're sitting on a plane, they don't
have to do anything, and they'll and certainly the last
thing that you need to do is I don't care
if this is about Jamar Chase or me or you
or Josh or anyone, Like what are you doing making
a scene on a plane right right? And then I
just I'm I'm over I'm over all of this, all
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of this world of stuff that happens, of the trying
to make scenes with the phone situation, and I'm over
all of it.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Here's what I want to know. Now, this person may
have been flying by himself, but there's at least a
decent chance he had a traveling companion. What's that person
doing hiding? Like if if you're traveling with somebody and
they start throwing a social media temper tantrum about the
fact that Jamar Chase won't sign the autograph. When he
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finally comes back to his seat and you're sitting there,
what are you saying to him, like, hey man, when
we get to Boston, Chicago, wherever we're going, Like this
is we're done, We're you get in your car, We're out, Like, no,
you're hearing while he's doing it. You're in the group
chat telling everyone we're no longer friends with this person.
You're just like, hey, everybody that we all know this guy, Like,
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you're not gonna beleave. What's happening here?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
It's over, this dude is he's not invited to the
to the parties anymore. He's not coming to the house.
It's it's over and we're no longer speaking.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Also, if Jamar Chase wanted to beat at Stevie Max
five nine eight four to a pulp on the airplane,
he could have.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
He could and no one would have faulted him. No,
no one would have.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I mean I would have been the first to say, Jamorrow,
I got you, man, Just tell me when the court
date is.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I gotcha. Yeah, we're there.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
I gotta say, amazing discipline in restrict and yes, because
it's really easy to take debait on that one, and
I think he handled it pretty well.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Anything new on Trey or Shamar.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
No, just because people are talking doesn't mean that that's
a good thing, right, Like I think that's it's good.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
I mean, it's a good thing in.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
His case, where communication is always the problem that's discussed
that at least there's been some reaching out first step,
but that doesn't mean that they're closed, doesn't mean that
it's good. So I don't think there's any any movement
right now on that. I think we're going to end
up where we think we're going to end up at
the beginning as we get to camp right talking about
both these situations again.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
When when when Schamar left Mini caamp before the last day,
I was not here. I kind of took that as
that's the sort of thing that should happen. Maybe he
shouldn't have been there to begin with.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Yeah, I mean the posturing that's happening on, you know,
on both sides over the this is, you know, is crazy.
I just I think this eventually gets done. It's just dumb.
But it's all of it's dumb. All of all of
it's dumb. The like bickering and fighting over over this,
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you know. I think it eventually gets taken care of.
I certainly hope so, because I get a point where
this is this is my my thing on it. If
if I'm speaking to the team or to the agent,
it gets to the point that all you're doing is
harming the kid. All anyone doing this is like when
the adults fight at the baseball game, at the youth
(40:35):
baseball game, all you're doing is harming the kid. Like
this is Shamar Stewart is starting behind the eight ball
because of the adults in the room. Okay, because he
needs to not have this hanging over him. The fan
base already is going to have very little stuff. It's
it's just this is the stuff that happens. You're making
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it so much harder on a guy that already had
a pretty deep climb from gonna.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Disprove a lot of people already already.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
And and that is the fault of both of these
sides and whatever. And I get it, like people are
dug in over something stupid. Congratulations you you've hurt your client,
you've hurt your player, and this is where you're at.
You've done this to yourself. I just I feel for
I feel for Shamar Stewart in this situation because I
don't think it's fair what he's gonna have to deal
(41:27):
with now because of people who are supposed to have
his best interest.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Worst look his representation Trey, the way he's handled things
or at Stevie Max five.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
There's no question at Steve, You're right, it could be worse.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I guess there could be like some sort of TikTok
gotcha of the of the negotiation that's happening. But no, yeah,
that is ah Stevie Max. Maybe that maybe that'll be
his next agent. I've only got about a minute here.
I also ran into someone famous at the airport randomly once. Yeah,
and it was the dad from Little People, Big Oh
got the cinnabon at the Dayton Airport.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
What'd you say, big fan? I just I was with
my first wife at the time, who was at home,
and she was a fan of that show. And I said, like,
I was at the cinnabon this morning and Dayton and
I stood behind the dead from that show, you like
Little People, Big World. They own the pumpkin patch and stuff.
And she's like, did you get an autograph? Like, I
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didn't know the guy's name. No, really say a word
to him. No, I recognized him. And she's like, I
can't believe you didn't get And this is like late
two thousands, so it's kind of smartphones are just becoming
a thing. I didn't have one so autographs. I feel
like we're bigger part of the currency than the picture.
And she's like, I don't understand how you didn't get
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something signed, Like, I don't know, man, what do I
do with that?
Speaker 5 (42:48):
You can't ask for draft if you don't know their name,
that is that's big fan.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Don't know your name, don't watch your show? Could I
could you could just sign this napkin? Yeah, the cinnabon napkin.
Almost as cool.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
As meeting your hero from out Andre two thousands the
next week, by the way, on whatever the road trip
was the next week, I remember this, Uh, I met
Richard Petty and our who was in our gate? Really yes,
And I was like, this is this what happens now
this year where I'm just.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Gonna continue to run into famous people on all the
road trips. Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Yeah, it was as exciting as Andre, though I didn't
get an autograph. No, all right, well thank you as always,
This is great.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
This was fun, all right. Paul Danner Junior.
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It's Tommy Thrawl and Jeff Brantley last night on the
Reds Radio Network and seven hundred WLW. A huge night
for Ellie de la Cruz, a fun evening at the
ballpark and a series opening. Red's went over the New
York Yankees. Ellie overshadowed Aaron Judge, who went deep for
New York's only run. This is ESPN fifteen thirty eight
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minutes after four o'clock. Thank you so much for joining
us today. Brendan Ban and Jones on baseball. Coming up
later this hour, Chase Burns said to make his big
league debut. Jonathan Mayo from MLB Pipeline one of my
favorite guests. He's somebody we get on often around the
draft or when the Reds trade for a prospect. He
has written extensively about Chase Burns. He is going to
join us at five oh five. This should be a
(45:43):
fun night at GABP. And you know it's fun when
Hunter Green came up, and it was fun when Nicolodolo
came up, and it's been fun at different points to
see some of these guys who look like they have
bright futures come up. It's more fun when it happens
in the context of a playof And while I know
there are some among us who do not want to
(46:05):
use that verbiage, the Reds are right now in the
middle of a playoff race. Now, if they lose nine
of their next ten games, then they're not going to
be in a playoff race, And being in a playoff
race certainly doesn't mean they're a playoff team. I would
find it hard to believe that if the Reds don't
make upgrades from somewhere around the deadline, that this team's
gonna end up playing in October. And they have a
lot of things they've got to fix, but right now
(46:27):
they're in a playoff push. It's fun to watch a
guy like Chase Burns, even though we have no idea
what's going to happen tonight, even though we certainly would
acknowledge the possibility that he has a rough go of
it in his big league debut. He's obviously going to
be pitching against a terrific New York lineup. The last night,
Nick Lodolo and a whole host of relievers held in check.
(46:47):
Who knows, but it's one thing. If a guy like
Chase Burns makes his debut in the middle of a
season that is going nowhere, this is a season that
still may go somewhere, And so to me at least,
there's a little bit of an added punch to tonight's tilt. Anyway,
Jonathan Mayo coming up at five oh five, do something
(47:12):
with the dufus who got mad at Jamar Chase and
threw a temper tantrum on a plane because he wouldn't
sign an autograph. But before we do that, let's talk
about Ellie de la Cruz. In fact, you and I
can talk about Ellie Dela Cruz. I love talking about
Ellie Dela Cruz. But forget you and I for a second.
Here's Aaron Judge, perhaps the best hitter in baseball, talking
(47:34):
about Ellie Dela Cruz after last night's game.
Speaker 9 (47:38):
And he can he can do everything. He can hit
and he can throw. He's got the wheels, he's got
the power we saw tonight. He's a total package. It's
fun to watch.
Speaker 7 (47:47):
I gut like that.
Speaker 9 (47:48):
You in the middle of your lineup just just electric.
You don't want to see him come up with guys
on base or or honestly in any situation.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Game recognizes game.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Aaron Judge on Ellie Dela Cruz, who over the last
twenty six seven games has absolutely been on fire. And
maybe this is not what we're seeing, Maybe it is.
We talked to this, talked about this a lot over
the first you know, really two months of the season,
at least month and a half of the season that
we want Ellie to go from fun player capable of
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doing really cool things to a consistently uber productive guy.
And maybe we're not there yet, but it feels like
the way he has produced over the last twenty five
to thirty games, he's trending in that direction, at least offensively,
he's trending in that direction. And so since he got here,
Ellie Dela Cruz has been must watch. Since he got here,
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he has been putting together viral moments. Since he got here,
he has been putting together really good games. You're just
looking for more consistency, and you're looking for even more production.
You're also looking for clutch moments, you know, the shame
of the game on Saturday the way it unfolded was
he hits the big two run homer after he threw
up on the field that put him ahead. That was
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a cool moment. Unfortunately, it's kind of a footnote because
of how the game ended last night. Ellie Dela Cruz
was awesome and you just heard Aaron Judge talk about him.
There are two things to beg for if you're a
Reds fan. One is from Ellie Dela Cruz because he's
maturing as a hitter. He's becoming more patient. I think
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you're seeing him. He just looks more prepared from at
bat to at bat. He's probably always going to strike
out a lot, which, by the way, strikeouts really don't
matter as much in this game as they did twenty
thirty years ago. He is putting together an all star
caliber season. He's a guy who you know, I don't know,
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and I this is probably not somebody something that most
would have wagered on just a few weeks ago. But
he's got a at least an outside chance to eclipse
forty home runs, which would be something. His ops right
now is a career high. Batting average is a career high.
He's getting on base at nearly a thirty five percent
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clip that would be a career high. Like, offensively, there's
so much to like, and defensively there's still so much
to like. But when he goes to throw a baseball,
you have no idea what you're gonna get, and you
can acknowledge that, right, you could be the biggest Ellie
Dela Cruz.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Fan there is.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
You could own the jerseys, the bobbleheads, the merch, the
sliding let whatever. Admit it.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
When the ball is hit to Elie Dela Cruz, you
hold your breath.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
How do you not like? It's it's the one part
of his game, And like, he can make some throws
that you're like, dude, nobody else can do that. He's
made some throws to the plate he had won a
week ago Saturday in Detroit, where you're like, man, not
a whole lot of guys can make that toss. And
we've seen him do it with routine play. We've seen
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him do it with hard plays. We've also seen him
throw balls to first base that really weren't within the
same zip code to first base. He had another one
of them last night, And maybe that volatility is always
going to be a slight part of his game. I
just I want it to be a little bit less surprising,
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a little bit less surprising.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
When he makes the throw to first base.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
I want those airmail throws or those balls that pull
the first baseman off the bag one way or the other,
to just be slightly less frequent. I just come on, man,
you gotta admit this. When the ball is hit to
Elie Dela Cruz, you kind of hold your breath. Now,
if it's a six run game and there's two outs
in the sixth inning and he makes the throwing air,
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maybe it doesn't matter, but there are moments where the
throwing air can come back to haunt the team.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
That's the only thing. That's the only thing.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
I just I And part of it is you obviously
want your shortstop to make fewer errors. You want your
shortstop to be more dependable. You also don't want to
have to hear people when you talk about the cool
stuff that he does at the plate. You don't want
to hear those folks. Well, yeah, but when I'm at
the throw at the same time, I can't blame people
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for bringing up the throw because it's sometimes such an adventure.
And also we've talked about this on this show extensively.
There are many out there, and you may be among them,
but there are many out there who still believe that
Elie dela Cruz is best suited for the outfield. And
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by the way, if you feel that way, you may
be right. And I would be the first to admit
that there are times where he will make a play
at shortstop where he goes into the outfield or he
goes down the third baseline, and I start to think
about the amount of ground he could cover in center fee,
and so maybe that's his best position. Now, it's ridiculous
(53:08):
to suggest you just throw him out there without some training,
without some practice, without spring training, like not. Center field's
a place where if you make a bunch of mistakes,
it could really hurt the team. And we want to
give players a chance to succeed, so we're not just
gonna throw them out there. But I fully admit you
look at his physical gifts and the way he uses them,
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and you wonder, how can that translate to the outfield,
And then you watch him fail to make a times
routine throws at shortstop, and you go, all right, could
this be better used him making throws in center field?
And I don't know the answer to that. But until
there's a until there's no more holes in his game,
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or at least until there's fewer holes in his game
at shortstop, you're always going to have those who wonder
is he best suited for the outfield. And I don't
know about you, I want that discussion to go away.
I think the Reds would be willing to tell you
that they want that discussion to go away, even though
I think it's mostly a discussion for outsiders. It's not
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going to go away as long as he's continuing to
have his throwing issues at shortstop. And again, it's not
every ball hit to him, but when he airmails a
ball or he throws one wide to the base, you're
practically anymore. You're not that surprised, and you typically have
to exhale because you kind of hold your breath when
the ball is hit in his direction. And so you
have this developing and maturing offensive force who can beat
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you with his legs, can beat you with his bat,
can get a base hit, can hit a home run.
He's becoming more patient as a hitter. He just looks
more and more of the part. And I have said
from the get go, and I'm far from the only
person who has said as much, like I'm betting on
the talent. I think Ellie Taylor Cruise is going to
be an absolute offense for many, many, many, many, many,
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many many years. I just want the throwing issues to
be resolved to the point that he is an offensive
force at the game's most important defensive position, which I
still believe a shortstop, and ideally he anchors that position
down for a very long time, and maybe they end
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up having a surtplus shortstop so they trade one away,
they convert a shortstop into a center. I don't know.
Regardless of how you feel about where Ellie should play
right now, he is a shortstop. That's undeniable because that's
where he plays. He has never played a professional any
in the outfield. Wouldn't it be cool if he could
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just rectify those issues. Wouldn't it be like last night?
He was awesome and by the way, he had plenty
of health, but he was awesome. Bullpen was terrific, Lucks
hit a home run, but the story of the game
was Elie de la Cruz, and he always seems to
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rise to the occasion against these high profile teams like
the Yankees and like the Dodgers, and yet, like I
put something on social media last night and I wanted
to just say, like this, dude, we're so lucky to
get a chance to watch him. And I know that
sounds hokey, but screw it, We're lucky to get a
chance to watch him. I'm like, well, I better acknowledge
(56:28):
the fact that he made an error, Like you just
you want those to go away so that when you
see him have awesome offensive games or hell, even when
he does cool stuff defensively, and he does plenty, you
don't have to fold into the conversation the throwing error
that he made. And you want to watch him without
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holding your breath when the ball is hit in his
direction because you still have no idea where the ball's
gonna go when he throws it. But it was fun
to watch him last night, man, And most importantly for
this team. You know, we talked about this a lot
back in April and for much of May. The team's
best players need to be the team's best players now.
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Matt McClain did not get a hit last night, but
did get on base and score a run. That includes
Matt McClain. I would argue, now that includes TJ. Friedel
who's having an excellent season leading off. It obviously includes
Elie Delacruz. The guys who are supposed to be this
team's best players have to be their best players. Tyler
Stevenson is a part of that conversation. So many of
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their starting pitchers, and then there's you know, other guys
who fill certain roles. There are certain players who I
don't know what they are. I have no remote idea
what kind of offensive player Christian and Karnassi on Strand
is supposed to be. Right, I think I know what
he is supposed to be. I'm not sure what he's
going to be. But the guys who are supposed to
be their best players, I mean, look at how they look,
(57:54):
at how they stack the starting lineup. It's Freedom, McLain
and Ellie. And you could argue that maybe Ellie should
be batting second or batting lead off, But you know,
Terry Francone is telling you those are my three best hitters.
That this has to continue. It's been really fun to
watch as it continues. I'm just begging for Ellie to
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fix the throwing and if you can do that, we
are talking about a guy who could still be one
of the very most complete players in this sport. There's
something else worth begging for. We'll get to that coming
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long and come often. You know, we've we've watched a
lot of big leaguers make their debuts, and we've watched
a lot of guys come through the system and joined
the Reds. And you know, there have been times where
a guy gets called up and he's being asked to
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give a glimpse of the future because the present isn't
very good. And that's not the case with Chase Burns
that the present is decent. It's looking up. They've played
better recently. They're three over five hundred. You may stop
short of saying they're bona fide contenders, but they're certainly
not out of it, and they're not going to be
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having a fire sale based on the way things are
right now. That could obviously change. But I feel like
since I've been doing this, whenever we start to talk
about like a prized prospect being called up, there's some hesitancy. Well,
you don't want to rush them all, you know, you
want to ease him in. What I love about this
is the Reds are treating Chase Burns like he's an adult.
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Sometimes in life you don't get a soft landing. Sometimes
in life you get throwned to the wolves. Sometimes in life,
man like, dude, you got to produce right now, and
you know what, if you don't, that doesn't mean we're
going to give up on you. But you know, we
think highly enough of you. We figured you're gonna be
able to handle what we're about to throw at you.
So Chase Burns will make his major league debut tonight,
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and he'll do it with a little bit of a
safety net. I'm sure they're gonna monitor him closely. They're
not gonna let him throw one hundred and forty You
don't let anbody throw one hundred and forty pitches. But
they're throwing him to the wolves. He's going to pitch
on a hot night, whether conditions not favorable for anything.
He's going to be pitching at home a pretty good
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crowd tonight. He's going to be pitching against Aaron Judge
and John Carlos Stanton and Paul Goldschmid and the defending
America League champion Yankees, and he's going to be pitching
for a team that has more wins and losses, which
means the way baseball works. Now they're in a playoff push,
and I maybe this hasn't been the case. I feel
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like there have been times where there is a hesitancy.
I've heard this. I've heard this from folks who have
called this show, Well, what if he fails. Okay, then
he fails, They're not gonna give up on him. If
you were gonna give up on him because he had
one or two bad starts in his debut, you shouldn't
have taken the guy. You shouldn't made a guy a
part of the organization. And I've said for the last
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couple of days, I feel like the Reds are behaving
like a contending team because right now they are one again.
Like I think they're gonna finish with eighty three wins.
I haven't moved off that since opening Day. Didn't move
off that when they were four hunder five hundred, not
moving off it now. I think they're gonna be an
eighty three win team. But if they're an eighty three
win team, they're not in all likelihood canna be that
far from a playoff spot. But I like the fact
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that they're they're behaving like a contending team, and they're
also they're demonstrating the kind of faith in Chase Burns
that you should have when you take a player with
the second overall pick. It may fail spectacularly tonight. There's
a long list of pitchers who went on to have
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awesome careers who got torched in their big league debut.
He may be awesome tonight and then fall flat in
his face in his second and third starts, and who knows.
But like I feel like, I feel like at times
we're looking for the right spot to give a guy
the soft landing. You know, he was even used a
couple of years ago with Hunter Green, who didn't make
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his big league debut until twenty twenty two. We knew
that team was gonna stink. The Reds pretty much told
you during spring training that year the team's gonna stink.
So we need to create the most favorable conditions possible
for Hunter Green and treat these guys with kid gloves.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
And they're not doing that here.
Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
This is this is a I was I don't want
to make it out to be bigger than it is.
But I think over the course of the last decade
or so, many have taken issue with how the Reds
have operated and behaved because it is they have often
operated and behaved unlike a team that's a bona fide contender.
(01:04:04):
Tonight they're behaving like one doesn't mean they are, although
I think if you look at the standings right now,
it's hard to conclude that they're not.
Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
You know, and if it fails, it fails.
Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
If you are so concerned about the makeup of a
pitcher that you can't put him out there against the
New York Yankees in your own ballpark in the heat,
during the middle of a of a postseason push, you
took the wrong guy. You have the wrong guy. You're
going to fail in this sport. And maybe he fails
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tonight and you know, learns from it and channels it
into whatever is next. Or maybe he's terrific tonight it
gives this team a boost. Or maybe he's somewhere in
the middle and he's okay, and he's you know, not
the second Coming, but he's also not a train wreck,
and that's okay too. Watching Chase Burns pitch tonight is
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better than any other option because he's still a big
piece for what they're doing down the road. He is
going to start accumulating big league experience. He is going
to start putting growing pains behind him now, and he
may also help them win a ballgame or two. We'll
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still feel compelled to do so. But I might break
that rule. Maybe in the five o'clock hour. Can we
spend a few minutes on the dufe who throw a
temper tantrum on social media because Jamar Chase wouldn't sign
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So there you go.
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What do we have? Nineteen away from five o'clock. Paul
and I were talking about this and joking about this before,
so this went viral for all the wrong reasons. Jamar
Chase was on an airplane and somebody asked him to
sign an autograph, and Jamar said no, and the person
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who he said no to decided to take to tick
took to throw a temper tantrum and take video of
Jamar Chase as he taunted him. Tarren, go ahead and
play that audio.
Speaker 9 (01:09:09):
Everybody, say hi to Jamar Chase on your way out.
Speaker 7 (01:09:14):
He don't sign autographs?
Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Upset? What a dope? What a dope? I assume we're
talking about a grown up, A grown up throwing a
temper tantrum because a football player won't sign an autograph. Now,
I don't think this needs to be said here, but
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there is tons of documented evidence of Jamar Chase showing
a willingness when he's on the clock to sign autographs,
especially for kids. James or Pen has written about this
for Bengals Talk dot com and put a video up
of Jamar Chase at training camp last year signing and
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signing patiently for the dozens of kids wanting his autograph.
And I've seen this happen firsthand at a training camp
Jamar Chase. There are certain players who don't. Most do.
I think it's the coolest part of training camp. The
fact that you can get an autograph from a player
of Jamar Chase's caliber, and for the most part, the
players are very willing to sign, especially for kids. Now,
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sometimes you'll have a weirdo adult who kind of ruins
everything for the kids. I hate when that happens. Jamar
Chase was not on the clock here now, had he
signed the autograph, that's cool. Turning down the autograph is
also cool. He's on his own time. Also, if he
signs one. I can understand the perspective of if I
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sign one, now, I'm gonna have to spend time signing
the rest. And while some of that does come with
the territory of being a well known, famous, and well
compensated football player, you don't have to honor every request.
The bad look here is not on Jamar Chase. It's
on the Goofball who went on his TikTok account and
decided on an airplane to shame Jamar Chase. By the way,
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Jamar shows an incredible amount of restraint because he could
have gotten up and decided to, you know, beat the
hell out of the guy, and he didn't do that.
And thankfully he didn't, because then Jamar would be in trouble.
But if you don't get an autograph, I'm not talking
about a little kid. Who you know, little kids throw
temper tantrums. Adults are not supposed to throw temper tantrums. Uh,
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and so just as a peek and I don't I
don't love this era that we're in, where you know,
let's try to shame everybody with our phones on social media.
Let's let's let's come up with a gotcha moment. There
are times, perhaps when such a thing as warranted. A
guy sitting in his airplane seat, minding his own business,
not causing a disruption on his own time, on free time,
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not signing his autograph, not signing your autograph is not
the occasion to try to shame somebody Like I legitimately
wonder what what what did? What did did this guy
expect Jamor to stand up and go, okay, you know what, here,
I'll sign for you. You just decided to shame me
on TikTok. And I don't really know that anybody else
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on the plane, if you watch the video, really seem
to care. I'm sure many of the people had no
idea who Jamar Chase is. Some did and just thought
with this guy's acting like a child and throwing a
temper tantrum. What's the expectation there, I'm gonna shame Jamar
Chase into signing my autograph. And then when you have
the Jamar Chase autograph, is it even cooler because you
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chose to shame him into signing one. I don't know,
man adults throwing temper tantrums because other adults won't sign
a piece of paper for him. And again, it's one
thing if like Jamar is at that fanatics fest where
you're paid to be there and sign whatever. It's one thing.
If you're at a team function where the players are
obligated to be there and you approach him for an
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autograph and he turns you down, maybe that's something else.
Although to me, it's like, what's the matter in which
you get turned down? Is it, hey, man, if I
signed for you, I got to sign for anybody, Or
is you.
Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Know a jerk about it?
Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
I don't see anything to suggest that Jamar was a jerk.
But the guy, in his own time, minding his own business, deciding,
look for reasons that are entirely personal to him, he's
not going to sign. You choose to throw a temper
tantrum on social media. What is that supposed to accomplish,
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especially when we're talking about a player here who has
a well documented track record of, you know, being a
pretty decent guy, of signing autographs, being pretty engaging with fans.
If you ask someone for an autograph and they say yes,
that's really cool, or a picture and they say, oh, yes,
that's really cool, and you would hope that a even
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if the request is turned down, it's done in a
friendly manner. But if you are turned down, if you're
an adult, please please don't throw a temper tantrum. I'm
generally anti adult throwing temper tantrum, especially when it includes
trying to shame someone on social media. I haven't asked
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anybody for an autograph in quite a while, but I
have been turned down when I've asked people for autographs
in my younger days, when I was a kid, I
might throw a temperatantrum. Chances are a to not as
an adult, no and no social media shame.
Speaker 10 (01:14:44):
This is an uncommon I'd have been an establishment where
I've seen somebody get upset because JAMRB who's refused to
take a picture with them, and then they went on
social media the next day and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Look, I mean, is it cool if he takes the picture? Yes,
But if Jamar isn't an establishment a player is well
known as Jamar Chase, and he decides while he's trying
to enjoy himself that he's gonna take one picture.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
You don't think he's suddenly gonna have to take a hundred.
Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Pictures right, Like again, if he does it and decides,
all right, I'll spend the next hour posing for photos, awesome,
like terrific, That is cool as hell. But if he's
just trying to enjoy himself and have a drink or
have a meal, or spend time with people who are
you know, his friend's family, whatever, and he's like, look,
I'm here to enjoy myself and enjoy the people that
I'm with and relax and enjoy my free time. I
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don't want to spend it taking NonStop pictures. I understand
that he's a human being. And again, if he decides, cool,
let's take a picture and then I'll tell everybody else, Now,
that's fine. If he decides I'll take one picture and
I'll take them all that's cool. I've seen that happen
and it's neat when it does. But if he's again
his own free time, especially if he's with people, with
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his family, with people that he has, you know, he's
spending time with who he's there to enjoy their company
and he doesn't want to spend the entire time there
posing for photos. That's totally fine. And then if you
decide you're gonna throw the temper tantrum, you're the one
who looks bad. That's most rational. People aren't gonna come
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to your defense. They're gonna go, why are you acting
like a nine year old? Why are you throwing the tantrum?
Just like our guy here on the airplane, Chase Burns
will make his big league debut tonight. This should be exciting.
Jonathan Mayo has watched him, maybe more than anybody. He
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and briefly at Louisville, he is set to take the
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hill tonight. Red's looking for a third straight win. This
is going to be a lot of fun. Less than
a year after he was drafted by the Reds, and
last year's draft out of Wake Forest. I knew yesterday
morning because I'm sitting down, and I knew we were
going to talk about Chase Burns, and I knew Jonathan
Mayo would have something, and lo and behold wrote a
terrific piece about what to expect from Chase Burns and
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really kind of dives into some of the changes he
has made and the improvements he has made from last
year when he was awesome at Wake Forest and taken
by the Red second overall, to what he has done
so far on a series of minor league mounds, and
what we could expect tonight. Go read that at MLB
dot com. I've put a link to that on social media.
And by the way, Jonathan also the author of one
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of my favorite recent baseball books, Smart, Wrong, and Lucky,
which is an outstanding read and awesome in its own
right for the Joey Vado chapters, So a great summertime read.
Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Jonathan kind enough during what I'm sure is a busy time.
Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Of year for him as the draft gets closer to
give us a few minutes to talk Chase Burns.
Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
It's good to have you as always, sir.
Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
How are you, Chase burning day. I'm stoked, and I
would imagine you are not going to temper my excitement.
Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
I'm excited. I am very excited. I think that, I mean,
we were just talking about this earlier, and it's rare
that it's weird to say this about a guy with
the number two pick in the draft. But Chase Burns
is much better, much more quickly than I would have anticipated.
Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
So go back a year, because when he was taken
number two overall, I think for a lot of folks
that was pretty surprising. But even those who said it's
maybe not the guy that I thought the Reds were
going to take, he at least represents somebody who has
perhaps the best chance to get to the big leagues
more quickly than anybody else. So I would imagine for
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you it's not that surprising that he's going to be
on a big league mount tonight.
Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
Yeah, I mean I think that. You know, he was
one of the best lines in the class. The rest
of the slight pause about some of the staffball quality.
I'm trying to talk about that, as I wrote a
lot about that in my piece. That kept him from
being considered a top top of the draft trended guy
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it was a little bit of a surprise that he
win too, But it's not like them as reached for
a guy who was ranked, you know, twenty fourth on lists.
Speaker 7 (01:20:15):
You know, we think at a.
Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
Six, and he got the sense that he would probably
move relatively quickly, but we'd just see how it would
play on the pro game. And I think the second
actually saw him throw in spring training and then you know,
he hit the ground running with Dayton. Got the sense
that it was to be fairly accelerated timetable, and that
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was just a question of when and not ask you
it fits persisted out of this year.
Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
So what has he been able to harness without giving
away the content that you put on MLB dot com,
what has he been able to harness? Uh? Since he
was drafted. That has allowed him to get through the
system as quickly as he has.
Speaker 7 (01:21:00):
But stuff has always been good.
Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
He could have gotten big leg hitters out with the
slider right out of college, and so he comes in
with one of the best breaking balls, probably the best
slider in the minor leagues today. So that's already in
a backpack. He's got a fastball that hits one hundred
miles an hour routine and he maintained the velocity. The
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thing that was interesting about the fastball is that it
got hit, especially by left handed hitters. In college, not
a lot of discission, was a little straight. There doesn't
seem to be that much different in terms of the
life on the fastball. The biggest thing I think is
support is his change up. It's not throwing it that
much more. He's just executing it better and no one
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is hitting it, and he's only throwing it to left
handed hitters. But that was the big issue. The change
up was hit by left he's when he was at
Lake Forest last year, so it wasn't keeping them off
the fastball. Now that he's.
Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
Throwing a better change up, so.
Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
We've had good stay to it. It's crazy money. Those
has changed at ninety miles an hour, which is the bunkers,
but it's got enough state and there's enough separation from
a fast one that averages over ninety seven miles an
hour and it really works. And that's left canded hitters
off of the fastball enough where they're not squaring enough
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and they just have not been hitting at the numbers.
Has been very, very good against leftanded hitters as a result.
Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Of that, well, what was your take on their plan
with him? And acknowledging the draft is later now than
it used to be, so maybe this is more commonplace.
But they they take him number two overall, and then
they send them to the Arizona Complex. He doesn't pitch
in games, doesn't make his pro debut until Dayton at
High A this year. I guess there's two ways of
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asking this. Number one, would you make of what they
did with him? Number two is what they did with
him becoming more commonplace, especially with college pitchers.
Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
Yeah, it's pretty common across all thirty or organizations. You
just typically don't see guys go out after a long
college season.
Speaker 7 (01:23:08):
You know, he.
Speaker 6 (01:23:08):
Threw twenty almost twenty more innings than he ever had
before in any given year, and that was back as
a freshman. He threw eighty innings if you seventy two
Tennessee as a sophomore after he lost his rotation spot.
So some of it's monitoring workloads. There's just no reason,
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after being shut down for so long to get a
guy this caliber ran back up just to throw a
handful of gettings or in his feet wet. You know,
I think you could make the argument on the drafts earlier.
This is a pitcher who didn't pitch deep into the
College World Series or something like that, that you maybe
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want to have to throw some mintings or send him
to the fall league in the Nationals of the Steven
Strasbourg back in the day. But it's a very to
see college pitchers at all, but particularly not high end
college fischers pitched off and that Lauder didn't throw a
pitch after he was drafted either. I just it's not
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worth it, you know. Let him get a little work
in the instructs, give him your off season program, and
let him hit the ground running in his first full season.
And that's what both of those guys did. But it
certainly worked for Chase Burns. And I really like how
they kind of stretched him out, you know, the courses
this year. His first couple of starts in Dayton was
pitching once a week sort of college schedule. Then they
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kept slowly sort of shortening up the time in the
seam while amping up the pitch counts. They were kind
of hoping to get him to ninety pitches that he's
been too efficient. I think he hears from eighty eight
in the seven in the game and the plaster flo
start and his last starting double A through eighty pitches
through sevenues.
Speaker 7 (01:24:54):
So it's a good problem to have.
Speaker 6 (01:24:55):
But if he steps out on it to go deep,
the stuff holds up. There's a ton of strike you know,
and he's read the help monitor his workload for the.
Speaker 7 (01:25:04):
Rest of the year. So he stays in the big leagues.
Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
And I don't they're gonna soon him throw nine innings
or one hundred and thirty pitches at any pointy time.
Speaker 7 (01:25:12):
But you know, he's already up.
Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
To a good amount of total pitches. I think at
sixty six pitches. So he's got that far off from
what his career high has been, and I'll be mindful
of that.
Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Jonathan Mayo with us the Talk Chase Burns MLB dot com.
The numbers at all three stops, in particular Chattanooga are
beyond impressive. When we've had a chance to watch highlights
of them. The stuff certainly looks like it translates to
the big league level. Is there a concern and if
there is, what is it?
Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
I have no concerns. I can't think of one.
Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
Well.
Speaker 6 (01:25:47):
I usually err on the side of caution because the
old pitchers, we'll hit some bumps, but you know, I
won't say he had any bad starts, but once or
twice where he struggled a little bit, he would invariably
come back the next start and it made adjustments. It's
just it's such an exciting combination of stuff and command.
Speaker 7 (01:26:10):
Which team has always had. He's always thrown a.
Speaker 6 (01:26:12):
Ton of strikes, stuff come in and athleticism that it's
just like I said, I think the only surprise is
that it quick this well, this quickly, you know, and
missould was shocking because it was all there, and just
thought maybe would take them a little while thing to
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the fastenal to get hit and we'd have to adjust
what kind of thing, you know. It was a similar
criticism for Hunter Green that took him a while to
adjust to and figure out. But because I think because
Burns is a better strike thrower and had a larger
array now pitches, it helped them to pitch off that
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fastball much more effectively.
Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Ret Louder in twenty twenty three, and we had a
chance to watch him late last season. Unfortunately, we haven't
had a chance to watch him this year because he's
dealt with injuries. Chase Burns tonight. Wake Forest has produced
a ton of players. What are they doing with pitchers
that other colleges apparently are.
Speaker 6 (01:27:14):
Well, you know, there are other teams that the young
man to ls pitching for Pittsburgh right now is pretty good,
pretty good.
Speaker 7 (01:27:21):
That's for those of you where he has.
Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
Scars and they have uh, they have a potential number
one pick this year in Kate Anderson. For those who
loast of college world's serious that what I'm talking about.
Wake Forest has a pitching lab. A lot of teams
have some semblance of one. There's is be really good
where they just dig into the data and pitch shape
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and all that kind of stuff, and it's uh, you know,
a little a little bit of witch doctory. You know,
you should try to talk to Chase about it. He's
the first submit that kind of out there. But they
really fine race and these guys had success, And I
mean the big reason why Burns moved from Tennessee to
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wake Forest he missed out of winning a national championship,
you know, and he lost his rotation spot. And Tennessee
does good stuff with pitchers as well, but he wanted
the opportunity to take the stuff he had and kind
of thrown into their Matt Sciences popper and pitching a
lot and seeing what came out. And it's not like
he's come out with the fast leave, but suddenly they
had some more scanner life or ride or anything like that.
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But I think he came out of it with a
better understanding of how to use what he has, and
he has, you know, his plenty. It might end up
being three plus pitchers were all of a sudden done.
Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Uh, while I have you and I know you're getting
ready for the draft here in just a couple of weeks,
the Reds picked ninth overall.
Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Is this a good year to have the ninth overall pick?
Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
You know, it's it's not the best draft in the world.
Last year was better and up top it's I think
they're a good position because there is a I think
there's a set eight or nine guys and they can
kind of wait to see who might drop to this,
you know, and if someone up a love them, cuts
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a deal and you know, and one of the top
half guys stops down there, they're ready to swoop. They're
not afraid to take anybody. So it could be a
good year to pick nine because they can wait to
see who's there. They're not afraid to take say high
school right hand or like Seth Fernandez, who you know.
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I've had the Reds take a time or two with
book books and counsel, and I have in armock drafts.
I'm working on newmock right now, and they might end
up that way again. So that would be Yank. He's
the best high school pitcher and probably now continue the
second best pitcher in the entire draft class. So to
get a guy like that at nine, because they're not
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a a lot of teams that you the dice on
a high school right in that high that could.
Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Work out well for the awesome stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
I know you're you're busy preparing for the draft, but
I wanted your take on Chase Burns. I appreciate you
doing this, man, Thanks so much. Pusure you got it.
That's Jonathan Mayo, Mlbpipeline, MLB dot com. I tweeted out
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you on the iHeartRadio app. Also on my page at
ESPN fifteen to thirty dot com. A whole slew of
Bengals questions and issues, and there is something from that
conversation that I want to touch on here in in
just a bit. The star of last night's show. The
star of last night's game. Was Eli Delacruz a double
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shy the cycle He was the story last night. The
Reds bullpen also a part of the story last night,
and the Red's getting a second consecutive win. Fun atmosphere
at the ball part kind of a playoff feel. Yes,
tons of Yankee fans. By the way, As a quick aside,
I have a question if you're a Yankees fan, because,
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and I've noticed this before, but I it stood out
to me last night being at the ballpark a lot
of Yankee fans, which you would expect. The Yankees have
a huge national brand, huge global brand, and any number
of iconic players whose jerseys you may want to wear
if you're a Yankees fan, and so a lot of
Yankees jerseys were spotted last night. Chances are you know
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that the New York Yankees have never had names on
the backs of their jerseys. I think they're the only
baseball team that to this day has never had their
players' last names on the backs of either their home
or road jerseys. When I was a kid, the Cubs
didn't have their names on their home jerseys. Now they do,
but they would have them on the road jerseys. The
Yankees have to the best of my knowledge, and I
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think this is true, never had the name of their
players on the backs of their jerseys. Yet when you
see fans wearing jerseys, which I own two Reds jerseys,
I will occasionally wear one to a game. I got
no problem doing that. One's a Dave Parker, the others
of Barry Larkin. That's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Maybe your anti jersey look to each their own.
Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
But if I were a Yankee fan and I were
to get a jersey, I cannot imagine getting a jersey
of a Yankees player, current or former that has the
name on the back of the jersey. Like last night,
I saw a guy with a Derek Jeter jersey on
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and had said Jeter on it. And the only time
Derek Jeter ever played a baseball game with his name
on the back of his jersey I believe would have
been in an All Star Game if it was one
of those where they don't wear their typical uniforms. Pretty
damn good chance. Derek Jeter never played a Major League
baseball game, certainly did not wearing a hole Roade Yankee
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uniform with his name on the back. Maybe in spring training.
If you're a Yankees fan, do you wear the jersey
that has the last name, like I saw at number nineteen,
Paul O'Neill. That's fine. O'Neil was on the back of
his Rex jersey. It was never on the back of
his Yankees jersey. It was a Babe Ruth number three
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Ruth on the back. I promise you, Babe Ruth never
had his name on the back of the jersey anyway.
Ellie dela Cruz, that tangent aside, was the star of
the show last night. Last hour, I was begging for
Ellie to get better at throwing because like a game
like last night, and maybe I shouldn't care what people
say on social media, and for the most part, I don't,
but all I wanted to do is tweet about Ellie
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de la Cruz last night. I did not feel like
hearing from people about his error. But the reality is
when a ball is shit to Ellie de la Cruz,
he kind of holds your breath. And so I'm begging him,
begging for him to be better at throwing, just so
it doesn't slightly watered down all the cool stuff he
can do offensively. And over the last month he has
been awesome with the bat Chase Burns makes his big
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league debut tonight. I have no idea how it's gonna go.
I'm excited to find out. It's fun to watch high
end prospects get their chance. Maybe he'll succeed, maybe he'll fail.
Maybe he'll fail but still be awesome. I don't know.
I can't wait to find out. What I love most
about this is the Reds are not throwing caution to
the wind, but they're prioritizing the here and now. And
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they're doing it because of circumstance. Right like, if Wade
Miley were healthy, Chase Burns would not be pitching tonight.
If Hunter Green were healthy, perhaps Chase Burns would not
be pitching tonight. So circumstance has shifted or changed, or
at least shaped their decision making. But they view him
as the best option. They're using the best option. They're
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not worrying about tomorrow. They're not worrying about they're ruining
his psyche, They're not worrying about the well, what are
we gonna do with the starting his his clock of
accumulating service time. We're trying to win tonight's game. We're
trying to stack wins so that is very refreshing if
you're a Reds fan, and maybe it tells you that
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they're going to be aggressive at the deadline, and maybe
it tells you that they're actually going to prioritize winning
this year. And by the way, maybe they don't because
the team itself falls flat in its face. And look,
if the Reds go out there and lose twelve out
of fifteen, we're not gonna be talking about buying it
the deadline anymore, and we're not going to be talking
about the Reds being contender. So how the team plays
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is obviously gonna dramatically shape what they do or don't
do it the deadline. But I also beg this man, like,
we've talked so much about Ellie Dellacruz and his future
and what's he going to cost to keep and will
he sign here a long term? Will the Reds really
try to sign him long term? Could he be Baseball's
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first one billion dollar player? Could he make one sodo money?
And I have no idea. Here's what I know. When
you have talents like this, and there are others, but
when you have talents like this, you cannot waste them.
Ellie Delacruz has yet to play on Sunday Night baseball obviously,
has yet to play in the postseason. He has yet
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to start an All Star Game. He'll be in the
All Star Game this year, I believe for the second time.
He's had very few opportunities for the sport's biggest stages.
Give Ellie Delacruz a chance to play on the biggest stage.
Maybe that does or doesn't compel him to want to
stay here. I have no idea, none, but do not
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waste them. The shame of it would be not Ellie
leaves when he can. The shame of it would be
that Ellie leaves and he never got a chance to
play in the playoffs here. I think one of the
saddest things in recent Reds history is that you have
a player in Joey Vado, who will be in Cooper's
town one day, who was a beloved player, an accomplished player,
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one of the best hitters the Reds have ever produced,
one of the finest offensive players of this century, never
got a chance to play in a National League championship series,
was only on a handful of teams that had more
wins than losses, and unfortunately, through no fault of his
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own is not a player who you identify with team success.
Every other revered Red, every other franchise icon is connected
to at least some level of team success. Joey Vado,
you don't think of team success. They obviously had a
couple of years when they won divisions and they played
in the playoffs. But I think you understand the point.
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It's a shame the Reds wasted Joey Vado. Joey stayed
here forever and played his entire big league career here.
I don't know if Dela Cruz is going to do that.
My guess is Elliot, at some point in the twenty
thirties is going to be playing somewhere else. And that's okay.
That's a reflection of him hitting free agency and him
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having the ability to go and choose where he wants
to play. He will have earned that right. The shame
of it won't be him leaving. If he does, the
shame of it would be he leaves. And while they
had them, they never really competed. So if you have
a chance this year, you know, we talked about this
a little bit yesterday. You can be aggressive, and you
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can be bold, and you could take some risks, And
that doesn't necessarily mean you have to totally screw up
your chances of winning down the road just for the
sake of trying to win this year. You can make
acquisitions and give up pieces and be comfortable giving up
those pieces and it doesn't wreck your farm system. If
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in four or five weeks this team's wins outnumber the
losses and they're only a handful of gain out of
the wildcard and they have a legitimate chance, just ask
that question, what would Ellie want you get extended? What
would Matt McLain want, Tyler Stevenson, maybe Hunter Green, Andrew
Abbot who's having an all star caliber season. TJ friedel
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you know, two years ago and I I I rarely
get mad at media tropes, but two years ago, when
the Reds didn't do anything at the deadline, remember they
were in Chicago, they were in first place, they were
in Chicago, and they didn't do anything at the deadline,
and all the reporting was, well, you know, the guys
in the clubhouse were actually, you know, pretty happy that
they didn't make any trades, and it's like, really, don't
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really believe that, really, you know, the players looked at
the front office, and so let's just proceed with our
awful starting pitching as is. Come on, man, so you
know who knows what's gonna happen. They may lose tonight,
they may lose tomorrow, they may lose the next eight games.
And you know this is a moot point. But if
they play well over the next couple of weeks, chances
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are they will have done so. With elidalor Cruz continuing
his tear and over his last twenty seven or twenty
eight games he has been awesome. But give that due
to chance. Give that dude to chance to play on
the game's biggest stage. Give that guy a chance to
play in October, because he's only going to get so
many chances here, don't waste one. Twenty four minutes away
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on seven hundred WLW Chase Burns making his Big League
debut against two time All Star lefty Carlos rode On.
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Starting lineup for Cincinnati tonight, TJ Friedels and center McLean's
at second, Elli's at short Spencer Steers and leftfield Tye Stevenson.
I called him tie Ty Stevenson's catching Reese Hines and
right field Travino is dhing Tonight's cees at first and
Santiago Espinal's at third base, batting ninth.
Speaker 7 (01:43:53):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
John Carlos Stanton, who's always hurt. He is a not
in the starting lineup for the Yankees this evening. Garrett Hampson,
who was DFA by the Reds, has been claimed off
waivers by the Saint Louis Cardinals. Best of luck to
Garrett Hampson. I guess Chase Burns officially added to the roster.
Yas Vorzueleta has been sent to Louisville. Austin Hayes sent
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to begin a rehab assignment at Double A Chattanooga, Florence
Yaw's home tonight for Windy City. I mentioned before that
Paul Danner Junior was with us in the first hour
of the show. He wrote and this came out, I
think while I was on vacation, an excellent piece on
the Bengals offense and year two of Dan Pitcher as
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the offensive coordinator and the continuity the Bengals should enjoy
with the same offensive coordinator, same head coach, obviously, the
same quarterback. Another year for Jamaar, another year for t Higgins,
the Chase Brown being an established commodity and somebody who
I think you have a better sense of what he
can do. And the Bengals early last season were barely
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using him Mike Esicki in year two of this offense,
some of the other wide receivers coming back, no real turnover.
Samash A. P Ryan is back. For what that's worth,
My guy, Taj Brooks, you know what it is interesting
and to a degree said and to a degree the
faults of people like me. So the off season conversations
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have been about free agency, which, let's face it, for
the Bengals was at least a little bit of a letdown.
The draft, obviously, the Jamar Jason T. Higgins contracts, the
decisions about some players that they let get away, and
then obviously the contracts stand off with Trey Hendrickson, which
has you know, really taken on a life of its own,
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and the Shamar Stewart thing, which has now also taken
on a life of its own. And those things are
important topics, right, like it's it's Trey Hendrickson, a Defensive
Player of the Year finalist, Like his contract status and
his availability willingness to play under his current deal and
all that stuff. Whether or not he's going to show
up for camp, whether or not he's going to play
the first game, all of the he's important. So those
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things are important. Shamar Stewart is also important. That goes
without saying, but so much time and effort and energy
has been spent on those things that you kind of
maybe you don't forget, but maybe slightly let drift to
the background the excitement and hopes for an offense, the
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legitimately has a chance to be the best in the league.
I mean, there were times last year where they were
absolutely unstoppable, and that's before they started winning games. That
stretch they had where they scored ninety nine points in
three games. What we should have been talking about was
how good Joe Burrow was and how good the overall
performance of the offense was, and how hard and difficult
they are to defend. I think one of the most
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fascinating storylines about this NFL season, and I think this
would apply even if you weren't a Bengals fan, is
how are NFL defense is going to adjust to what
the Bengals unleashed last year. With Jamar Chase, who obviously
has been a statistically productive player for a very long time,
but they used him in so many different ways last year.
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How do opposing defenses adjust to that? What's the Bengals
counter to how the league adjusts?
Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
How do they.
Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
Benefit from more continuity by the way, how might they
benefit from perhaps perhaps an improved offensive line. We will
spend a lot of time on Trey and Chamar and
whatever other issues come up, and it's going to be
interesting to see how this version of training camp impacts
their ability to start the season getting off to a
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better start. But looming above all of this is an
offense that legitimately has a chance to be the best
in the history of the franchise and maybe this season
the best in the NFL. And if that ends up
being the case, with a quarterback who was an MVP
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finalist last year, with a wide receiver who was the
most productive in the sport last season, would you bet
on them not making the playoffs? I would not, Mike,
go ahead, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. How's it going?
Speaker 11 (01:48:19):
It's going. Would you bet on those two guards that
they're going to start for the season to do a
really great job?
Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Well, that's subjective. What's a great job? It's define define
great job.
Speaker 11 (01:48:32):
What dom I bet to keep Jill from getting whacked
and pressured and stuff. Do you think that they will
be above average starting guards week one?
Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
Do I think they have a chance to be better
in Week one than the guards they had weeks week
eighteen last year. Absolutely, we'll see. I mean they're not
gonna They're not going to play at a Pro Bowl level.
Uh And and look, man, the offensive line the Cincinnati
Bengals will be a concern until it's not, and it's
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been one for nearly a decade. But I think it
was completely reasonable to expect the guard played to be
better than it was last season.
Speaker 11 (01:49:11):
Oh, we better hope. So. But if you if I
were a wagering man and you said, hey, Mike, I'll
take the Bengals. You've got the field for the best
offense in the league. I gotta take the field.
Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
I mean, I mean, in any situation where it's thirty
one choices versus one, I'll always take the field.
Speaker 7 (01:49:31):
But well, I was hoping.
Speaker 4 (01:49:33):
But I mean, would you would you be surprised if
statistically the Bengals had the best offense in the NFL.
Speaker 11 (01:49:41):
I wouldn't be surprised that they had the best passing
offense in the in the league. I don't know about
the running offense, but I think the passing for sure.
I don't see how you couldn't, especially like you said,
with Pasuki back for another year and then the younger guys.
I sure hope that kid from Alabama, Well, it wouldn't
have to be one wonderful if he could all of
a sudden just be like, dude.
Speaker 6 (01:50:04):
Wouldn't that be?
Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
Would be?
Speaker 7 (01:50:07):
Would be?
Speaker 11 (01:50:07):
Howes? Oh my god, because if that happened the week
better watch out. You're right, but that that great tight end,
that Joe All, he's out for what another year?
Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
Eric All? Unfortunately? Yeah. And and look, by the way
you talk about the Bengals running offense, they're They're never
They're never going to be I think ranked in the
top half of the league in rushing yards per game
because when they run the football, they're doing what the
other team's defensive coordinator wants them to do. So if
they're averaging they averaged ninety two point six yards per
game on the ground last season, which I think was
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third or fourth worst. That number I don't think increases
that that much. Even if they're better on the ground,
because I don't expect him to run the ball that
that much. What I do hope is they can run
the ball more efficiently. Now.
Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
Last season they were right.
Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
In the middle of the pack in yards per attempt,
right in the middle of the pack. I think they
averaged four point one yards per attempt and like half
the league average four point three, four point two or
four point one. I think it's reasonable to expect that
number to go up slightly. And if they have a
league average rushing attack with what they can do throwing
the football, that could add up to the most productive
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offense in the NFL.
Speaker 11 (01:51:25):
Yeah. Plus they got your your your, your youngster that
you're all jacked.
Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
Up with, Tom Bruk, Todge Brooks. Yeah, it's my guy.
Speaker 11 (01:51:32):
I'm thinking, I'm thinking James Brooks. Wouldn't that be something.
Speaker 4 (01:51:36):
I would like? James Brooks. I would I would like
I would take James Brooks right now.
Speaker 11 (01:51:41):
Oh my god, would he fit this deal or what?
Speaker 7 (01:51:44):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (01:51:45):
So, no, I know Ron doon'es pitching tonight. That worries
me a little bit. I thought Freed was pitching tomorrow night,
but when I googled it, they said it was still
to be announced.
Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
Yeah, I saw the same thing and didn't it didn't
dive into it. But I but ied I noticed the
same thing. I know he most recently pitched Friday, he
was originally gonna pitch and uh it's still listened as TBD.
Speaker 11 (01:52:12):
Well, let's hope he does it.
Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
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Speaker 1 (01:15):
How's it going. It's going going really well. It's going
to be back here.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
You know a week away you were you were managing
your season load management season last last week. I appreciate that,
you know, because it's some load management for all of us.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
It is.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It's load managements. I had to explain to my wife
because she heard me mention load management season. Yeah, and
it's kind of it's a it's a basketball term. It's
an NBA term, you know, but the players don't play
all eighty two games. They take time off and they
call it load management. And so that's I've taken on
that term load management season. And I like, I found
after about three minutes her interest it didn't just wane.
(01:51):
She was like, I'm good, I don't care. I should
get asked. You just should have said, you know what,
you're not going to find it that interesting because I.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Didn't, And that's okay, but you know, I'm glad you
enjoy It's good to have you back. Nice to have
you back on the airwaves. There is plenty of plenty
to talk about. The Reds are fun this week. The
Reds are fun.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The Reds are I mean, I was I think I
tweeted this to Austin.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
This might be a fun as we reach the let's
make up some things to talk about time.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
If you can.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Get a baseball team that grabs your interest right now
and is exciting and it is in a Pennant race
in September, truly one of the best things in all
of sports fandom, Like there is nothing better, and if
the Reds are setting themselves up for that right now,
I'd love to compile a list of the top five
(02:43):
things in sports fandom, like individual things across any sport
that you like for your team, It's hard to top
September when your your team is in the Pennant race.
If you can get it to there. It's just been
so long around here.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Right Yeah, Well, and I think what's fun about this team?
And I said this to somebody at lunch today, I go,
this team is fun. I'm waiting for them to cross
over into officially good because I think we're all still
trying to find figure out like they're fun, they're interesting,
Are they good?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And I still don't know. The coming weeks may determine that.
But I think what's fun about this team right now
is they're kind of with what they've done with Chase Burns,
what they did with Jamber Candelario, they're kind of behaving
like a good team.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, but this hasn't always been the case.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
This is the moment in the season where the Tito
effect needs to be re emerging.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
As a storyline.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah right, where Okay, everybody wanted to make a big
deal out of it in spring training, and that's fine, Like,
you know, yes, that's setting the tone. But the difference
is when you get to the point that the season
gets long, and the stretches get hard, and the decisions
with some people start getting a little tougher, and you've
got to start to really define the direction in getting
people still happy to come to work every single day,
(03:58):
which is such the biggest part of of owning that gig.
The Tito effect can start to show up, and I
think what you're seeing you know, it's not like they
haven't been good this time of year in the.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Past, so now we only a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Yeah, obviously we've seen that, but I think it feels
so much more sustainable now and it feels like they're
acting like it isn't a surprise what's happening a little
bit more and that I think what will happen over
this next stretch The place that they haven't gone before
with even a young, exciting team is where does the
(04:32):
Tito effects start to show up now in that he
starts pushing all the right buttons to get them to
find that next level that you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, you know, I've talked about this a little bit
with Tony and Austin a few minutes ago and a
lot yesterday afternoon. Chase Burns is going to pitch tonight,
which would be interesting if the Reds were twelve games out.
But it's to me, it's it's less about a glimpse
into the future and it's more about we need a
guy who can help us win two night's game, which
is not.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Always how they've behaved, right.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's typically they call a guy up and it's like, well,
let's let's see if he's any good and if he
can stick, and you know, we'll give you a glimpse
of what the future might be. Like, Hey man, we
need this guy's our best option to win tonight's game.
And I think using him instead of some other guy
Louisville or going getting a guy who was DFA or
just another bullpen game. They're behaving with what they're doing
(05:24):
with Chase Burns like a team that's serious about winning,
and that is so refreshing.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I I was loving.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I was listening to Power Stacks with Charlie and Brian
last week and they were they were talking about Charlie
had gone down to Louisville and talk to Chase and
before any of this became a thing, and the conversation
then was like.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, when could he come up? When when would that be?
Speaker 5 (05:44):
And it was very It was it's not that they
didn't feel like he could get guys out right now
he can't, and they believe that he's built to handle
these moments. There's a reason they bet on him and
bet on him. And when they did this sort of
deep scout that they started doing on him, it was
that there is still a big picture plan here, of sure,
any limits and what you can do, but that doesn't
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mean there can't still be moments, and there could be
more moments to come later in the season.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Maybe this is a little one, maybe this is a
bigger one.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
But the point is that they felt like he was
built to be able to do something like this.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's just you didn't think the situation would come up
right now.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
But the fact that they leaned into it says we're
not afraid to lean in who we do believe that
we do have in Chase Berns, even if the big
picture plan doesn't necessarily change.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
So, since you're the Bengals reporter and we're talking about baseball,
do you want to spend some time on Joe Burrow
at that fanatics fest not being able to.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Is he trying to throw a new fangled slurve? Do
we think he was trying to like work on a pitch.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I don't know. I don't know what he was doing.
But I was talking about this with friends of mine
at the ballpark last yeah, and I said, you know
what that is to me is a reminder that throwing
a baseball when you haven't done it for a while
is not as easy as you think.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And we see this often with first pitches.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Yeah right right. We often see this when guys or
women throw out ceremonial first pitches. Where there are times
where you see somebody take the mound to throw one
of those and you're like, oh, this will be good,
and it's not because if it's something you haven't done
in a while, I don't care if you throw footballs
for a living, it can be kind of tricky.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Now.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I said that to somebody last night and got laughed at,
which is part for the course, but I.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Believe it to be true. Highly recommend utilizing the bullpen inside.
If you're going to be throwing out the first pitch,
just just get a get a couple in. You don't
want to go out there without a throw. You don't
want to go out there just like hoping it that
you still know what you're doing. Go use the bullpen gets,
just throw a couple down there and call it. Call
it a day before you go out there. We talked
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to Mike Mike GISICKI had to do one recently and
apparently it came in very high, and he's like, I
just had one message to me, don't durt it. It's
all anybody said was when you go out there, you
got to have him have something in your head. His was,
don't durt it, throw it up high, and maybe it was.
If it's too high, obeit, but you don't want it
to turn into a Mayor Mallory situation or something like that,
(08:06):
where you're throwing it off down to the side. So
have a good clear head, get some throws in before
you go. It's just not that easy. However, Joe Burrow, Yeah,
you would think.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Hasn't he thrown out a first pitch before? Yeah? Yeah, yes,
I feel like it was fine. Sure, it certainly wasn't memorable, Okay,
but was he trying to like show something on the gun?
Was he throw a breaking ball?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
It looked like he was trying to get like they
had some sort of you know, pitch tracking on how
much movement he was getting or something he was trying
to get. That's that's what it looked like to me,
which whether it was or not, that's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
So I threw at a first pitch today. What they
were the Florence Freedom at the time, and this is
how I came to believe that there is a god
so I threw at the first pitch. I had gone
to a business day special at GABP, took the day off,
and then I made my way to Florence and it
was thirsty Thursday. Well, and I got there when the
gates opened and our friend Lindsay Patterson was with me. Yeah,
(09:04):
and they had bourbon slushes. Oh wow. And so I'm like, well,
it's hot out, I'll have a bourbon slush. And then
I had another one and I had nothing but time
to kill. So then it's time to bring me down.
And it's like and I prayed to God, like just
just please, God, let me get it there. And I
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don't want to say I threw a strike, but I
got it there, and I walked away going there there
is a higher being. He just answered my prayer, because
without divine intervention, I'm not sure I could have gotten
it there.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
I feel like the person who scheduled you as the
one to throw out the first pitch for the Florence
Freedom also praying to God as he saw you coming
down the steps, oh yes.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Oh please let this not go sideways and I lose.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
My summer internship. Oh yes. Oh well, and the thing
is like there was like two corporate sponsors before me. Yeah,
and you know that they were not impressed by my
act whatsoever. And they and they got it there. So
I'm like, great, now here I go. You know, radio
Boys shows up and it was. It was the day
after Bronson Royo did the a role as Chatman did
(10:12):
the summer salt after saving the game. So I try
to do a summersault. Oh not so great. Yeah, that
one wasn't as good. But I got the ball there.
That's it's all that matters, all right, fourteen after three o'clock.
I would rather talk about first pitches than the stadium deal.
I'm with you. But it's a big, big, big week.
It's a big week. It is for the future of
the Bengals. You've written about this extensively, for the athletic
(10:32):
We do have to talk about it. I want to
talk about the new sort of rebranded, remade training camp
because we're gonna have morning practices. Now, I'm kind of
curious as to how this is gonna work. I guess
we have to talk about Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart
and should you throw a temper tantrum if an athlete
doesn't sign an autograph. I didn't talk about this yesterday
(10:53):
because I wanted to talk about it with you. Oh
well good. So we have a lot to get to.
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We did Bengals Bets Bengals bets Best Bengals bets.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, three bees.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
It was it was good.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I was that was fun. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
There was a lot of interesting I was surprised, and
we really started diving deeper into finding some of the
more like the one the Trey Hendrickson Shamar Stuart side
by side. I mean, honestly, I mean, I just I
couldn't believe it when I saw it that Trey Hendrickson
(12:15):
to win Defensive Player of the Year. He's tenth in
odds at plus twenty eight hundred, and Shamar Stewart, currently
without a team and with four and a half sacks
to his name at the college level, seventh for Defensive
Rookie of the Year at plus fifteen hundred. You're telling me,
I'm getting better value on the guy who finished second
in Defensive Player of the Year and might play is
(12:37):
the angriest edge rusher in football this year versus whatever's
happening currently with Shamar Stewart. Stunning to see that, and
I was like, get that's there's value for you. But
it was a lot of a lot of fun ones in there,
and you know, I don't want to be liable for
some of our selections. But I think we had some
good ones in there. I think there's good advice in there.
We had some good ones.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And I will tell you this, every wager I talked
about on your podcast this morning is a wager I
have made.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, I have put my money where my mouth is.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Not huge sums, but a comfortable amount of money, an
amount of money that will make me nervous if if
we're on the edge of.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
A few things happening. Yeah, I mean there's good value
on the Bengals right now. I think in a number
of different spots.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You've written about this in great detail.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
This is a big week for the Bengals, pay Corpse Stadium,
the team's future in Hamilton County. Give me the dumb guy,
Cliff notes, I haven't been following this at all.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Version basically June thirtieth. There is a deadline six days
six days, but you know you have commissioner meetings that
this is where this it's the county and the team
who are negotiating, and there's a meeting on Thursday. It's
kind of the last one before the deadline, so stuff
can happen between there, but it's here.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
This week.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
We've reached this point where some sort of extension or
new lease needs to be negotiated, figured out and approved.
If not, the Bengals on June thirtieth need to send
a letter of their intention to exercise one of the
five two year rolling extension windows that they can push forward,
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and at that point they there's a pretty good chance
they're going to start exploring what their options are in
other places. They can't if we get to June thirtieth,
June thirtieth and there's no deal and the Bengals say,
we're just gonna hit the two year rolling extensions.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Which would take them through twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Through twenty seven, through the twenty seven season into twenty eight, yes,
through the twenty seven season, and at that point then
they can essentially do that, but it definitely opens up
the idea of what else is out there. The idea
is to not have to do that. Both sides have
said their emphasis is hitting this deadline, getting it done
(14:55):
so nobody has to go to that staying in Hamilton County,
being downtown, renovating pay Course Stadium to keep it up
to par.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
There has been.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
You know, there's other stuff that's out there in terms
of what it could look like it may be a
watered down version of that, it may not. There's a
bunch of smaller questions that are all details that are
kind of boring, and I know most people gloss over.
The bottom line is they've got to figure out whatever
their answers are on those and everybody be happy with
it and vote it or else. It kind of is
an inflection point where it opens up a new conversation
(15:28):
for the Bengals to start having. Now, is that something
that they're.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Willing to do?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Would they do it?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
The ramifications of doing that are massive. I don't know,
nobody wants to start having those conversations. But by June
thirtieth is the date where you can secure the team
here for a longer period of time in a renovated
facility to not have to worry about this or I
have to talk about it again, which wuld be great,
just not for a while.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Would that effectively be an agreement that they're gonna stay
and they're going to renovate the facility, But it would
come without details. We're not going to start seeing new
renderings and stuff like that, right.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
No, I mean it would be under the idea, this
is what's gonna happen, right, and here's the rent, here's
the plan, here's what we want, and this is what
it's gonna be. Yes, I mean, it's the time to go.
I mean Baltimore is it's a different situation. But they
put in place a few years ago a three year,
four hundred and nine million dollar renovation that they're in
the middle of now like they're they're doing it, and
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it kept Baltimore for you know, in it there for
certain number of years. Charlotte just did one in terms
of downtown stadium renovations, no new construction renovating. They just
did when they signed almost on this exact day last
year to do one in their The process is starting
for them too. It can it starts quick. I mean
they have been doing stuff to the stadium regularly and
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have had stuff that they've been clearing. But this is
kind of the big point on the bigger renovation that
everybody acknowledges needs to happen for them to stay in
pay course stadium for a longer period of time. How
long will that will be a part of this, How
much it will cost, who will pay for it? Those
are all the smaller questions, but the bottom line is
are they going to come out and say, hey, Bengals
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are still here, We're all good for X number of years,
or it's gonna be two year rolling extension.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Now we have a new set of questions to wonder
about between now and next Monday. What are the potential
hang ups? Well, I mean who's paying what? Right?
Speaker 5 (17:27):
I mean there's been attempts to get state funding that
have been haven't gone great. So who knows that the
percentages that are going to be paid by the team
versus the county. The length the hang ups could certainly
be in the length. Is it a new lease? Is
it an extension of the old lease? Those can be
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hang ups. Really to me, it comes down to the
money and who's paying for it, you know, I mean,
like all things, and so there's other stuff in there,
but I think it's going to be Look, nobody wants
to see.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
You know this. We've talked about it so many times.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
This is year, this is days, weeks, years, months, decades
of consternation about this lease that has been a thing
since the stadium felt it has been a thing, and
the whole idea being next time it can't be like
this for the taxpayer, sure, right? And and the people
that are sitting there now making those decisions understand that
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pressure or in in our tough spot like it's that's
a lot of there's a lot hanging over that, and
so but it's to make sure that this deal isn't
what the last one felt like it was to to
those people that have experienced it.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But and you could tell me if I'm dead wrong,
it feels like the Bengals have expressed that understanding. Yes, right,
we've we've enjoyed a sweetheart deal, and we we certainly
are coming to the taxpayers for more money. But our
next deal, our next lease, is not necessarily going to
be as tilted in our favor as our current one.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I think there's there's certainly been, even in the way
that they have acted in recent years with some of
the renovations, there shown a much more certainly a willingness
for their contribution to look different than it did then.
I don't know if they would stand up and say
we got a sweetheart deal. I think there's a belief
there that this the deal that was signed was good
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for everybody in terms of what happened in the banks
and what happened downtown and all of that, but I'm
saying that's so I don't know. I don't know specifically
if they would come out and say something like that,
but I do think that, yeah, I mean, there is
a different feeling of contributing, but it's it's comparing it
to what is happening in some of the other markets,
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and everybody knows like that was a main piece of
what the county wanted to feel like they were signing
something that was in line with everywhere else and not.
What it has felt like in their eyes is that
this doesn't look like so many of the other deals
other markets. Feeling like it wasn't good for them, and
so they want to feel like it is. And they
you know, they brought in the guy David Abrams who's
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done a bunch of deals at other places, to be
a consultant and try to try to help with that.
That's been a major point of eventsis for them they
wanted to feel like other market deals. But if the
Bengals aren't willing to go there then and you have
a gap that then maybe you end up at a
point where they say, well, we're not here, and they
hit the two year rolling thing and off we go.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Are you gonna start covering County Commission meeting. I don't.
I mean I don't want to that you don't want to.
I'll be watching Thursday.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I can't think of anything I'm going to do last,
no question, But I hate this and that's why, you know,
we've we've talked about this many times the show, like
I don't want to bring this in here. We have
hardly talked about on my podcast. I haven't written about it.
I was like, you said, let me know when I
need to know something. This week we need to know
something and it's relevant this week. We've kind of come
to the head here of seeing where this this moment
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ends and if whatever happens, by the thirtieth we'll know
what comes next a little bit more and what new
questions were asking or what is being celebrated or whatever.
But this is the week that we needed to know something,
and so here we are trying to help people understand it.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Does this feel like it will be an eleventh hour
thing either way? I feel like these things always are
like we're not going to know today. This is gonna
come down well Thursday, I mean Thursday at the meeting.
Thursday is the meeting. Thursday is the meeting, and then
at that point, you know, there's nothing really scheduled until
the deadline, so I you know, Thursday certainly feels significant
in terms of whatever happens there. You want to keep
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talking about it, I don't.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I don't. I want to talk about the team. I
want to talk about the offense. I want to talk
about Al Golden, I want to talk about good others
like I want to talk about other things.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
But it is fairly relevant over at pay Course Stadium.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Okay, So we're gonna talk about the offense when we
come back, because there's another prop bet that I couldn't
find on the board that I want to make, and
it's Bengals offense related.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Okay, that's coming up next. Have you already made it?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No, because I can't find any body he'll take the action, Okay,
but maybe you'll take it. I don't know. It's three
thirty Sports Headlines next. Paul Danner Junior's with us from
the Athletic and the Growlar Podcast. Paul has written in
very good detail about the Bengals stadium deadline issue, so
go read that at the Athletic dot Com. It's also
written a very good piece on Dan Pitcher and Bengals
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offensive continuity, and we're going to discuss that next on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Fifteen thirty Sincy three sixty with Tony Pike. We'll want
to move on, we'd have to keep going and Boston Elmore.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I think you should continue.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Let me keep going there Sincy three sixty Tomorrow at
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Speaker 5 (24:13):
You know what I can do next time I'm in here,
give you a report on the Chattanooga Lookouts really yeah,
because we're we're doing a vacation down into the mountains,
Smoky Mountains. I gonna go to Chattanooga for a couple
of days. I'm gonna pop into a Lookouts games, see
the new the first season first half champs. Yeah right,
so I can come back with a full Lookout support.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Okay on whatever I saw it. If you have any
sign me up. Very interesting. We drove through Chattanooga on
our way to Florida. Yes, and I said to my
wife have jokingly, I think the Lookouts are in town.
Do you want to go? And that was shot down quickly.
That is one of the few sort of area pseudo
regional minor league parks I haven't been to.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, it looks. It looks fun.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
They're a little it's a fun little downtown, my kids
only care, hotel, hotel, pool, a few things to do.
We're good to add on to the trip. So I'm
but I'm I'm excited. I'm I told, I told Charlie
and Brian I'm dropping in on power Stacks as well
to give my Lookouts report that night.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Very good. Oh yeah, big time, big time stuff. I
can't wait When is this trip next? Uh, it's over
the over the fourth, over the fourth of July. Very good.
You wrote about Bengals offensive continuity in year two of
Dan Pitchers. Yeah, are you ready for my prop bet? Yeah,
let's hear it. Dan picture's a head coach in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
You know, I I have certainly discussed this often and
I was might be the head coach of the Bengels
in two thousand. You know, there's a couple of things there.
Let me start by this. I will say this. I
was one of the most stunning things of this offseason
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was that Dan Pitcher didn't get a sniff of an
interview right now. I thought, it's it's underappreciated. The things
that he did and the way that he attacked, the
sort of evolution of the offense last year, and his
back I've always you know, he's gotten interviews before. I
really thought that he would have been in the head
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coach mix, at least getting one or two as amongst
a group of ten. Right we saw so many names
out there, and it's like, how is Dan Pitcher non
of the mix? Was very surprising to me. But the
end of the day, you know, these coaches will always
not get as much credit because of Burrow, and that
Burrow is just out here doing everything. And that's Brian
Callahan fought that for years and so does Zach Taylor still.
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And you can't have the lack of success in general.
But if the Bengals make a run, if they put
together a run and they go to the Super Bowl
or the AFC Championship, or they have an offense that
is currently built to very easily be the best in football,
how is he not right? How is he not getting
real interviews? How are you not talking to this guy?
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When you look at his background. What he's done is
track record. He's got scouting background, he's got coaching, can
handle a franchise quarterback, he has everything, and and he
has done a great job, I think with this offense,
and they.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Are set up to take to really take off right now.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
And I think the confidence anybody gets in doing a
job the second time around, even if it's a job
that you felt as prepared as you could have as
you were the quarterback coach, like really getting it to
and then on top of that, not having to do
a bunch of new stuff having all these same pieces
back as a rarity. They just are really set up
to have a special season. And if that happens, I mean,
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look around the league, look at these Look at the
coaches that.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
End up getting these job.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I mean, Dave Knalis, I mean, guys come out of nowhere,
all Liam coach guys come out of nowhere all the time.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
With even just one good year.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Man this, it's not like it wouldn't make sense if
they had the type of year that they're capable of having.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
So there's my, there's my.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That's a good bat that I don't know where you
find that.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I can't find that action, which is why I couldn't
mention it this morning. And reading the piece, which I
know came out a little while ago. You've done this
for a while, and you know, I know you talked
to different offensive coordinators. The detail that he provided and
talking about what they could do this year, what he's learned,
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what last year was like, how it translates to twenty
twenty five was striking to me.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yeah, last year, you know, they talked a lot about
starting to dictate terms to the defense and forcing the
defense to react to what they're doing. And that was
in simplistic for terms moving Jamar Chase around and making
them have to react to them, right, And we saw
what that did Triple Crown, And now it is understanding
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the counters to that because Joe has built so much
chemistry with all the other pieces now too, and they've
learned about how to have counterattacks to all the things
that teams started doing or want to do to try
to stop Jamar Chase and.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
All the moving around.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
But the bottom line is Chase has the weapon and
the way they started using them leaves defenses with not
much that they can do. You can't just sit there
and say we're doubling Jamar when you don't know where
he's going and where he's coming from. And the tactics
that they use. The Bengals as the year went on
and Burrows the year went on, really started to understand
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with Mike Kasicki and with Chase Brown how they can
specifically counter those types of things. And so now they've
had all off season to build on that stuff that
can really add in and with the recalibration of the
running game with it, you know, because now with Scott
Peters here and no run game coordinator, Dan has kind
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of taken on a little bit more of that stuff,
and they've tried to tweak with the some of the
stuff they were doing there to get a little more
going there. But all of that can help build on
having more counters to whatever teams are going to try
to do to stop Jamar, and they just keep trying
to do whatever they were doing last year. Well, you
can just keep throwing to Jamar. You used to always
have that in your back pocket when you've got those two.
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So they are in an unbelievable place in terms of
where they're at offensively and where they're starting from.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
This is a credit to your writing. But there have
been few things that I have read that have gotten
me as excited, you know, in an off season where
we've talked about turmoil and distractions and what they haven't
done in free agency and the Trey Hendrickson and Jamar
Stewart things. Just reading that, I started to think, like this,
at the very least, I'm gonna watch that this year.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
This team can have the number one offensive football and
if you have that, you know what you are probably
gonna do, compete for Super Bowl. It's just they are
set up to be that good. Now we can talk
about the offensive line and the depth and the guards,
and I get that, yeah, but I think that their
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offensive line is at the very least in the same
place it was last year, if not even a little
bit better. When you consider what we now know about
the level that Alex Kappa and court E. Wolson played
at last year, and you have year two of MEM's
healthy Orlando Brown, you're hoping that something happens better at
card But it's hard to be worse. So even with
all of that, I just, you know, I just think
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they're in a spectacular place to change things. And I'm
really curious to see how they build around Chase Brown
because that it's really been super underdiscussed. Yes, the fact
that you know, they were fine running a ball last year,
but they saw so much room for improvement and ways
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to tweak things and get a few more you know,
we saw how explosive he is when he gets the
ball in his hands and gets space to get a
get a higher percentage of his carries. That creates some
more of that space for him. That that build the
offensive running game around his skill set. It wasn't this
time last year it was how much is he gonna play?
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Even is it gonna be a split, how do you
feature Zach Ma. Now you know what you have and
they've had an off season to recalibrate around that, you
can maybe be you hope, more explosive in the running game.
There's just so much room for growth when you get
this kind of continuity and a coordinator who has made
his career off of these sort of very smart, calculated
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adjustments and usage of league trends and being analytical, all
these things that Dan Pitcher has had that's helped him
move up to this point. And now you give him
a year's worth of you know, tape and lessons to
build off of. I just think the possibilities are kind
of endless. And that's before we start talking about the
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next level for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Well, yeah, that too, but I mean the Chase Brown thing.
A year ago, we were still kind of wondering, you know, yeah,
and it was how are they going to use them,
which if you go back to early in the season,
they weren't. We were still getting phone calls about how
good Joe Mixon was in Houston, and that in part
was a reflection of what the running game was not doing.
But you know, a year ago, at this time, it
was how's he going to be used And no matter
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how he's used, is is he going to be able to,
you know, increase his productivity? And now he's a known
quantity on an offense has a lot of quantities.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
We were talking about this on the Betting Show today
and I said, you know, this is insane, but if
we're going to talk about wild value that you just
throw something on Chase Brown currently going off at one
hundred to one to win Offensive Player of the Year.
So this isn't saying me that it would happen. But
let's not forget that over the second half of last
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season when they did evolve into the offense that they
were going to.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Be, weeks nine through seventeen.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
A long period of time, he was fifth in the
league in yards from scrimmage. The chemistry he developed with
Burrow when the play broke down, the off script stuff
that he would consistently create was unique and what created
a ton of big time plays. And that's before they
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start talking about trying to get more out of him
in just the basic run game. I'm not saying that's
gonna happen, but at one hundred to one, I'm interested
in whatever the guy who was fifth in yards from
scrimmage the second half of last season, is gonna do
in an offense that maybe takes a stap.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Have you ever been turned down when you've asked somebody
for an autograph?
Speaker 5 (34:25):
I'm sure probably, I'm sure as a kid that I have.
I'm sure that i've. I've There's plenty of those occasions
where you're you're you're the little gapper that's standing there
on the side, you got your little baseball and you
just kind of hold it up, but you're not assertive
enough to get it, or it skips over top of
you just kind of look at you.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
And move on.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Or Yeah, that I've never although I've never been I've
never been in approach in a public place type of
guy one time in my life. Now, this wasn't for
an autograph. I've told this story a few times. But
I'm a big outcast fan. Chad knows that he plays
me without casts every time I come on with him.
But I was in the Atlanta airport and Andre three
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thousand is on the escalator right next to me as
I go up and we and I'm just kind of thinking,
like what am I gonna say? Truly, like I this
is I'm in awe that I'm here, and so we
were going he was going to the same baggage claim.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Very interesting guy. So we start.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
I just kind of strike up a conversation, tell him
I'm a big fan whatever. He's incredibly nice, and We're
just standing there waiting for our bags, and I'm thinking, like, man,
I'm so happy I checked a bag on this trip,
right and talking to him, and I'm not telling him
about We're talking about like his are they gonna get together,
They're gonna go on a tour, they gonna do whatever,
Like we're just my favorite songs. He's so nice, And
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finally I just go can I get a picture? And
he goes, oh no, no, no picture, no picture. He goes,
that's the old I'm happy to stand here and talk
to you as long as you'd like. But one picture
turns into a thousand pictures. And I was like, at
this point, a crowd starts to gather a little bit
as we're talking, and and I so I it sort
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of ended or whatever, and I was like, oh, okay,
I get that, Like I get it. It always becomes
a thing. One is not one, one is a thousand,
and but I always think of that, and I will.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I'll never forget that moment for the rest of my life.
But you got to talk him. You've got that experience.
It was great, better than any photo.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I mean, I would have liked a photo, but better
than any photo or automaph ever, would have been just
to have that story.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Well, this idiot who I guess, saw Jamar Chase on
an airplane and apparently asked for an autograph, and Jamar
said no, And it would have been nice had he
said yes. But Jamar Chase signs a lot of autographs. Ah,
And so this guy, instead of just sort of moving
on about his day, decides to go on TikTok and
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throw a temper tantrum and film Jamar Chase as he's
admonishing him for not signing his autograph. What are we doing?
What are we doing as a society? As as any
as anybody. I don't, I don't. I don't understand. This
is an adult ostensibly an adult here right ostensibly I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean in growth, not in like not in like intellect.
I mean, I don't.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
I don't understand the concept of anybody owes you anything
because they're fain like I don't know me anything.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
You're like, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
You don't have to, Like, if they don't want something
right now and they're sitting on a plane, they don't
have to do anything, and they'll and certainly the last
thing that you need to do is I don't care
if this is about Jamar Chase or me or you
or Josh or anyone, Like what are you doing making
a scene on a plane right right? And then I
just I'm I'm over I'm over all of this, all
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of this world of stuff that happens, of the trying
to make scenes with the phone situation, and I'm over
all of it.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Here's what I want to know. Now, this person may
have been flying by himself, but there's at least a
decent chance he had a traveling companion. What's that person
doing hiding? Like if if you're traveling with somebody and
they start throwing a social media temper tantrum about the
fact that Jamar Chase won't sign the autograph. When he
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finally comes back to his seat and you're sitting there,
what are you saying to him, like, hey man, when
we get to Boston, Chicago, wherever we're going, Like this
is we're done, We're you get in your car, We're out, Like, no,
you're hearing while he's doing it. You're in the group
chat telling everyone we're no longer friends with this person.
You're just like, hey, everybody that we all know this guy, Like,
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you're not gonna beleave. What's happening here?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
It's over, this dude is he's not invited to the
to the parties anymore. He's not coming to the house.
It's it's over and we're no longer speaking.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Also, if Jamar Chase wanted to beat at Stevie Max
five nine eight four to a pulp on the airplane,
he could have.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
He could and no one would have faulted him. No,
no one would have.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I mean I would have been the first to say, Jamorrow,
I got you, man, Just tell me when the court
date is.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I gotcha. Yeah, we're there.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
I gotta say, amazing discipline in restrict and yes, because
it's really easy to take debait on that one, and
I think he handled it pretty well.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Anything new on Trey or Shamar.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
No, just because people are talking doesn't mean that that's
a good thing, right, Like I think that's it's good.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
I mean, it's a good thing in.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
His case, where communication is always the problem that's discussed
that at least there's been some reaching out first step,
but that doesn't mean that they're closed, doesn't mean that
it's good. So I don't think there's any any movement
right now on that. I think we're going to end
up where we think we're going to end up at
the beginning as we get to camp right talking about
both these situations again.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
When when when Schamar left Mini caamp before the last day,
I was not here. I kind of took that as
that's the sort of thing that should happen. Maybe he
shouldn't have been there to begin with.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Yeah, I mean the posturing that's happening on, you know,
on both sides over the this is, you know, is crazy.
I just I think this eventually gets done. It's just dumb.
But it's all of it's dumb. All of all of
it's dumb. The like bickering and fighting over over this,
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you know. I think it eventually gets taken care of.
I certainly hope so, because I get a point where
this is this is my my thing on it. If
if I'm speaking to the team or to the agent,
it gets to the point that all you're doing is
harming the kid. All anyone doing this is like when
the adults fight at the baseball game, at the youth
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baseball game, all you're doing is harming the kid. Like
this is Shamar Stewart is starting behind the eight ball
because of the adults in the room. Okay, because he
needs to not have this hanging over him. The fan
base already is going to have very little stuff. It's
it's just this is the stuff that happens. You're making
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it so much harder on a guy that already had
a pretty deep climb from gonna.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Disprove a lot of people already already.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
And and that is the fault of both of these
sides and whatever. And I get it, like people are
dug in over something stupid. Congratulations you you've hurt your client,
you've hurt your player, and this is where you're at.
You've done this to yourself. I just I feel for
I feel for Shamar Stewart in this situation because I
don't think it's fair what he's gonna have to deal
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with now because of people who are supposed to have
his best interest.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Worst look his representation Trey, the way he's handled things
or at Stevie Max five.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
There's no question at Steve, You're right, it could be worse.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I guess there could be like some sort of TikTok
gotcha of the of the negotiation that's happening. But no, yeah,
that is ah Stevie Max. Maybe that maybe that'll be
his next agent. I've only got about a minute here.
I also ran into someone famous at the airport randomly once. Yeah,
and it was the dad from Little People, Big Oh
got the cinnabon at the Dayton Airport.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
What'd you say, big fan? I just I was with
my first wife at the time, who was at home,
and she was a fan of that show. And I said, like,
I was at the cinnabon this morning and Dayton and
I stood behind the dead from that show, you like
Little People, Big World. They own the pumpkin patch and stuff.
And she's like, did you get an autograph? Like, I
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didn't know the guy's name. No, really say a word
to him. No, I recognized him. And she's like, I
can't believe you didn't get And this is like late
two thousands, so it's kind of smartphones are just becoming
a thing. I didn't have one so autographs. I feel
like we're bigger part of the currency than the picture.
And she's like, I don't understand how you didn't get
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something signed, Like, I don't know, man, what do I
do with that?
Speaker 5 (42:48):
You can't ask for draft if you don't know their name,
that is that's big fan.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Don't know your name, don't watch your show? Could I
could you could just sign this napkin? Yeah, the cinnabon napkin.
Almost as cool.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
As meeting your hero from out Andre two thousands the
next week, by the way, on whatever the road trip
was the next week, I remember this, Uh, I met
Richard Petty and our who was in our gate? Really yes,
And I was like, this is this what happens now
this year where I'm just.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Gonna continue to run into famous people on all the
road trips. Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Yeah, it was as exciting as Andre, though I didn't
get an autograph. No, all right, well thank you as always,
This is great.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
This was fun, all right. Paul Danner Junior.
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It's Tommy Thrawl and Jeff Brantley last night on the
Reds Radio Network and seven hundred WLW. A huge night
for Ellie de la Cruz, a fun evening at the
ballpark and a series opening. Red's went over the New
York Yankees. Ellie overshadowed Aaron Judge, who went deep for
New York's only run. This is ESPN fifteen thirty eight
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us today. Brendan Ban and Jones on baseball. Coming up
later this hour, Chase Burns said to make his big
league debut. Jonathan Mayo from MLB Pipeline one of my
favorite guests. He's somebody we get on often around the
draft or when the Reds trade for a prospect. He
has written extensively about Chase Burns. He is going to
join us at five oh five. This should be a
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fun night at GABP. And you know it's fun when
Hunter Green came up, and it was fun when Nicolodolo
came up, and it's been fun at different points to
see some of these guys who look like they have
bright futures come up. It's more fun when it happens
in the context of a playof And while I know
there are some among us who do not want to
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use that verbiage, the Reds are right now in the
middle of a playoff race. Now, if they lose nine
of their next ten games, then they're not going to
be in a playoff race, And being in a playoff
race certainly doesn't mean they're a playoff team. I would
find it hard to believe that if the Reds don't
make upgrades from somewhere around the deadline, that this team's
gonna end up playing in October. And they have a
lot of things they've got to fix, but right now
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they're in a playoff push. It's fun to watch a
guy like Chase Burns, even though we have no idea
what's going to happen tonight, even though we certainly would
acknowledge the possibility that he has a rough go of
it in his big league debut. He's obviously going to
be pitching against a terrific New York lineup. The last night,
Nick Lodolo and a whole host of relievers held in check.
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Who knows, but it's one thing. If a guy like
Chase Burns makes his debut in the middle of a
season that is going nowhere, this is a season that
still may go somewhere, And so to me at least,
there's a little bit of an added punch to tonight's tilt. Anyway,
Jonathan Mayo coming up at five oh five, do something
(47:12):
with the dufus who got mad at Jamar Chase and
threw a temper tantrum on a plane because he wouldn't
sign an autograph. But before we do that, let's talk
about Ellie de la Cruz. In fact, you and I
can talk about Ellie Dela Cruz. I love talking about
Ellie Dela Cruz. But forget you and I for a second.
Here's Aaron Judge, perhaps the best hitter in baseball, talking
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about Ellie Dela Cruz after last night's game.
Speaker 9 (47:38):
And he can he can do everything. He can hit
and he can throw. He's got the wheels, he's got
the power we saw tonight. He's a total package. It's
fun to watch.
Speaker 7 (47:47):
I gut like that.
Speaker 9 (47:48):
You in the middle of your lineup just just electric.
You don't want to see him come up with guys
on base or or honestly in any situation.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Game recognizes game.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Aaron Judge on Ellie Dela Cruz, who over the last
twenty six seven games has absolutely been on fire. And
maybe this is not what we're seeing, Maybe it is.
We talked to this, talked about this a lot over
the first you know, really two months of the season,
at least month and a half of the season that
we want Ellie to go from fun player capable of
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doing really cool things to a consistently uber productive guy.
And maybe we're not there yet, but it feels like
the way he has produced over the last twenty five
to thirty games, he's trending in that direction, at least offensively,
he's trending in that direction. And so since he got here,
Ellie Dela Cruz has been must watch. Since he got here,
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he has been putting together viral moments. Since he got here,
he has been putting together really good games. You're just
looking for more consistency, and you're looking for even more production.
You're also looking for clutch moments, you know, the shame
of the game on Saturday the way it unfolded was
he hits the big two run homer after he threw
up on the field that put him ahead. That was
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a cool moment. Unfortunately, it's kind of a footnote because
of how the game ended last night. Ellie Dela Cruz
was awesome and you just heard Aaron Judge talk about him.
There are two things to beg for if you're a
Reds fan. One is from Ellie Dela Cruz because he's
maturing as a hitter. He's becoming more patient. I think
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you're seeing him. He just looks more prepared from at
bat to at bat. He's probably always going to strike
out a lot, which, by the way, strikeouts really don't
matter as much in this game as they did twenty
thirty years ago. He is putting together an all star
caliber season. He's a guy who you know, I don't know,
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and I this is probably not somebody something that most
would have wagered on just a few weeks ago. But
he's got a at least an outside chance to eclipse
forty home runs, which would be something. His ops right
now is a career high. Batting average is a career high.
He's getting on base at nearly a thirty five percent
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clip that would be a career high. Like, offensively, there's
so much to like, and defensively there's still so much
to like. But when he goes to throw a baseball,
you have no idea what you're gonna get, and you
can acknowledge that, right, you could be the biggest Ellie
Dela Cruz.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Fan there is.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
You could own the jerseys, the bobbleheads, the merch, the
sliding let whatever. Admit it.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
When the ball is hit to Elie Dela Cruz, you
hold your breath.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
How do you not like? It's it's the one part
of his game, And like, he can make some throws
that you're like, dude, nobody else can do that. He's
made some throws to the plate he had won a
week ago Saturday in Detroit, where you're like, man, not
a whole lot of guys can make that toss. And
we've seen him do it with routine play. We've seen
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him do it with hard plays. We've also seen him
throw balls to first base that really weren't within the
same zip code to first base. He had another one
of them last night, And maybe that volatility is always
going to be a slight part of his game. I
just I want it to be a little bit less surprising,
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a little bit less surprising.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
When he makes the throw to first base.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
I want those airmail throws or those balls that pull
the first baseman off the bag one way or the other,
to just be slightly less frequent. I just come on, man,
you gotta admit this. When the ball is hit to
Elie Dela Cruz, you kind of hold your breath. Now,
if it's a six run game and there's two outs
in the sixth inning and he makes the throwing air,
(51:55):
maybe it doesn't matter, but there are moments where the
throwing air can come back to haunt the team.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
That's the only thing. That's the only thing.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
I just I And part of it is you obviously
want your shortstop to make fewer errors. You want your
shortstop to be more dependable. You also don't want to
have to hear people when you talk about the cool
stuff that he does at the plate. You don't want
to hear those folks. Well, yeah, but when I'm at
the throw at the same time, I can't blame people
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for bringing up the throw because it's sometimes such an adventure.
And also we've talked about this on this show extensively.
There are many out there, and you may be among them,
but there are many out there who still believe that
Elie dela Cruz is best suited for the outfield. And
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by the way, if you feel that way, you may
be right. And I would be the first to admit
that there are times where he will make a play
at shortstop where he goes into the outfield or he
goes down the third baseline, and I start to think
about the amount of ground he could cover in center fee,
and so maybe that's his best position. Now, it's ridiculous
(53:08):
to suggest you just throw him out there without some training,
without some practice, without spring training, like not. Center field's
a place where if you make a bunch of mistakes,
it could really hurt the team. And we want to
give players a chance to succeed, so we're not just
gonna throw them out there. But I fully admit you
look at his physical gifts and the way he uses them,
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and you wonder, how can that translate to the outfield,
And then you watch him fail to make a times
routine throws at shortstop, and you go, all right, could
this be better used him making throws in center field?
And I don't know the answer to that. But until
there's a until there's no more holes in his game,
(53:50):
or at least until there's fewer holes in his game
at shortstop, you're always going to have those who wonder
is he best suited for the outfield. And I don't
know about you, I want that discussion to go away.
I think the Reds would be willing to tell you
that they want that discussion to go away, even though
I think it's mostly a discussion for outsiders. It's not
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going to go away as long as he's continuing to
have his throwing issues at shortstop. And again, it's not
every ball hit to him, but when he airmails a
ball or he throws one wide to the base, you're
practically anymore. You're not that surprised, and you typically have
to exhale because you kind of hold your breath when
the ball is hit in his direction. And so you
have this developing and maturing offensive force who can beat
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you with his legs, can beat you with his bat,
can get a base hit, can hit a home run.
He's becoming more patient as a hitter. He just looks
more and more of the part. And I have said
from the get go, and I'm far from the only
person who has said as much, like I'm betting on
the talent. I think Ellie Taylor Cruise is going to
be an absolute offense for many, many, many, many, many,
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many many years. I just want the throwing issues to
be resolved to the point that he is an offensive
force at the game's most important defensive position, which I
still believe a shortstop, and ideally he anchors that position
down for a very long time, and maybe they end
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up having a surtplus shortstop so they trade one away,
they convert a shortstop into a center. I don't know.
Regardless of how you feel about where Ellie should play
right now, he is a shortstop. That's undeniable because that's
where he plays. He has never played a professional any
in the outfield. Wouldn't it be cool if he could
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just rectify those issues. Wouldn't it be like last night?
He was awesome and by the way, he had plenty
of health, but he was awesome. Bullpen was terrific, Lucks
hit a home run, but the story of the game
was Elie de la Cruz, and he always seems to
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rise to the occasion against these high profile teams like
the Yankees and like the Dodgers, and yet, like I
put something on social media last night and I wanted
to just say, like this, dude, we're so lucky to
get a chance to watch him. And I know that
sounds hokey, but screw it, We're lucky to get a
chance to watch him. I'm like, well, I better acknowledge
(56:28):
the fact that he made an error, Like you just
you want those to go away so that when you
see him have awesome offensive games or hell, even when
he does cool stuff defensively, and he does plenty, you
don't have to fold into the conversation the throwing error
that he made. And you want to watch him without
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holding your breath when the ball is hit in his
direction because you still have no idea where the ball's
gonna go when he throws it. But it was fun
to watch him last night, man, And most importantly for
this team. You know, we talked about this a lot
back in April and for much of May. The team's
best players need to be the team's best players now.
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Matt McClain did not get a hit last night, but
did get on base and score a run. That includes
Matt McClain. I would argue, now that includes TJ. Friedel
who's having an excellent season leading off. It obviously includes
Elie Delacruz. The guys who are supposed to be this
team's best players have to be their best players. Tyler
Stevenson is a part of that conversation. So many of
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their starting pitchers, and then there's you know, other guys
who fill certain roles. There are certain players who I
don't know what they are. I have no remote idea
what kind of offensive player Christian and Karnassi on Strand
is supposed to be. Right, I think I know what
he is supposed to be. I'm not sure what he's
going to be. But the guys who are supposed to
be their best players, I mean, look at how they look,
(57:54):
at how they stack the starting lineup. It's Freedom, McLain
and Ellie. And you could argue that maybe Ellie should
be batting second or batting lead off, But you know,
Terry Francone is telling you those are my three best hitters.
That this has to continue. It's been really fun to
watch as it continues. I'm just begging for Ellie to
(58:17):
fix the throwing and if you can do that, we
are talking about a guy who could still be one
of the very most complete players in this sport. There's
something else worth begging for. We'll get to that coming
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long and come often. You know, we've we've watched a
lot of big leaguers make their debuts, and we've watched
a lot of guys come through the system and joined
the Reds. And you know, there have been times where
a guy gets called up and he's being asked to
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give a glimpse of the future because the present isn't
very good. And that's not the case with Chase Burns
that the present is decent. It's looking up. They've played
better recently. They're three over five hundred. You may stop
short of saying they're bona fide contenders, but they're certainly
not out of it, and they're not going to be
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having a fire sale based on the way things are
right now. That could obviously change. But I feel like
since I've been doing this, whenever we start to talk
about like a prized prospect being called up, there's some hesitancy. Well,
you don't want to rush them all, you know, you
want to ease him in. What I love about this
is the Reds are treating Chase Burns like he's an adult.
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Sometimes in life you don't get a soft landing. Sometimes
in life you get throwned to the wolves. Sometimes in life,
man like, dude, you got to produce right now, and
you know what, if you don't, that doesn't mean we're
going to give up on you. But you know, we
think highly enough of you. We figured you're gonna be
able to handle what we're about to throw at you.
So Chase Burns will make his major league debut tonight,
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and he'll do it with a little bit of a
safety net. I'm sure they're gonna monitor him closely. They're
not gonna let him throw one hundred and forty You
don't let anbody throw one hundred and forty pitches. But
they're throwing him to the wolves. He's going to pitch
on a hot night, whether conditions not favorable for anything.
He's going to be pitching at home a pretty good
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crowd tonight. He's going to be pitching against Aaron Judge
and John Carlos Stanton and Paul Goldschmid and the defending
America League champion Yankees, and he's going to be pitching
for a team that has more wins and losses, which
means the way baseball works. Now they're in a playoff push,
and I maybe this hasn't been the case. I feel
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like there have been times where there is a hesitancy.
I've heard this. I've heard this from folks who have
called this show, Well, what if he fails. Okay, then
he fails, They're not gonna give up on him. If
you were gonna give up on him because he had
one or two bad starts in his debut, you shouldn't
have taken the guy. You shouldn't made a guy a
part of the organization. And I've said for the last
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couple of days, I feel like the Reds are behaving
like a contending team because right now they are one again.
Like I think they're gonna finish with eighty three wins.
I haven't moved off that since opening Day. Didn't move
off that when they were four hunder five hundred, not
moving off it now. I think they're gonna be an
eighty three win team. But if they're an eighty three
win team, they're not in all likelihood canna be that
far from a playoff spot. But I like the fact
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that they're they're behaving like a contending team, and they're
also they're demonstrating the kind of faith in Chase Burns
that you should have when you take a player with
the second overall pick. It may fail spectacularly tonight. There's
a long list of pitchers who went on to have
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awesome careers who got torched in their big league debut.
He may be awesome tonight and then fall flat in
his face in his second and third starts, and who knows.
But like I feel like, I feel like at times
we're looking for the right spot to give a guy
the soft landing. You know, he was even used a
couple of years ago with Hunter Green, who didn't make
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his big league debut until twenty twenty two. We knew
that team was gonna stink. The Reds pretty much told
you during spring training that year the team's gonna stink.
So we need to create the most favorable conditions possible
for Hunter Green and treat these guys with kid gloves.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
And they're not doing that here.
Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
This is this is a I was I don't want
to make it out to be bigger than it is.
But I think over the course of the last decade
or so, many have taken issue with how the Reds
have operated and behaved because it is they have often
operated and behaved unlike a team that's a bona fide contender.
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Tonight they're behaving like one doesn't mean they are, although
I think if you look at the standings right now,
it's hard to conclude that they're not.
Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
You know, and if it fails, it fails.
Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
If you are so concerned about the makeup of a
pitcher that you can't put him out there against the
New York Yankees in your own ballpark in the heat,
during the middle of a of a postseason push, you
took the wrong guy. You have the wrong guy. You're
going to fail in this sport. And maybe he fails
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tonight and you know, learns from it and channels it
into whatever is next. Or maybe he's terrific tonight it
gives this team a boost. Or maybe he's somewhere in
the middle and he's okay, and he's you know, not
the second Coming, but he's also not a train wreck,
and that's okay too. Watching Chase Burns pitch tonight is
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better than any other option because he's still a big
piece for what they're doing down the road. He is
going to start accumulating big league experience. He is going
to start putting growing pains behind him now, and he
may also help them win a ballgame or two. We'll
see sports headlines are coming up next. Uh. I just
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I have avoided stadium talk on this show, and I
still feel compelled to do so. But I might break
that rule. Maybe in the five o'clock hour. Can we
spend a few minutes on the dufe who throw a
temper tantrum on social media because Jamar Chase wouldn't sign
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He gets the ball against Carlos Road one seven ten,
tonight's first pitch on seven hundred WLWD darting lineup. Are
you ready to channel my colleague and friend Lance McCallister.
Get your pencils and scorecards ready. A. TJ. Friedel is
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in centerfield, Matt mclan is in second base, Eli Delacruz
a shortstop. Spencer Steer is in left field. Tyler Stevenson
is catching tonight. Reese Hines gets the start in right field.
Jose Travino is dhing Christian and Karnassi on Strand is
playing first base and batting eighth and Santiago Espinhall is
at third base and he is batting ninth. By the way,
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really quick, Just as a brief aside, because I mentioned
Lance McCallister, congratulations, this is overdue. This went down while
I was on vacation. Lance McAllister will be honored as
the twenty twenty five winner of the Joe Nuxall Humanitarian Award.
This was announced by the Knuxsall Miracle League last week.
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Congratulations to Lance. I know the hands on work he
does with that awesome organization, and it is well deserved.
There's gonna be the ball that they have, the annual
Miracle Ball, which is on Friday, October the twenty fourth.
Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Lance will be honored and it's well deserved.
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The Garrett Hampson era is officially over in Cincinnati after
he was DF eight. He has been claimed off waivers
by the Saint Louis Cardinals. Also tonight, the Florence Yall
is hosting Windy City.
Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
What do we have? Nineteen away from five o'clock. Paul
and I were talking about this and joking about this before,
so this went viral for all the wrong reasons. Jamar
Chase was on an airplane and somebody asked him to
sign an autograph, and Jamar said no, and the person
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who he said no to decided to take to tick
took to throw a temper tantrum and take video of
Jamar Chase as he taunted him. Tarren, go ahead and
play that audio.
Speaker 9 (01:09:09):
Everybody, say hi to Jamar Chase on your way out.
Speaker 7 (01:09:14):
He don't sign autographs?
Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Upset? What a dope? What a dope? I assume we're
talking about a grown up, A grown up throwing a
temper tantrum because a football player won't sign an autograph. Now,
I don't think this needs to be said here, but
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there is tons of documented evidence of Jamar Chase showing
a willingness when he's on the clock to sign autographs,
especially for kids. James or Pen has written about this
for Bengals Talk dot com and put a video up
of Jamar Chase at training camp last year signing and
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signing patiently for the dozens of kids wanting his autograph.
And I've seen this happen firsthand at a training camp
Jamar Chase. There are certain players who don't. Most do.
I think it's the coolest part of training camp. The
fact that you can get an autograph from a player
of Jamar Chase's caliber, and for the most part, the
players are very willing to sign, especially for kids. Now,
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sometimes you'll have a weirdo adult who kind of ruins
everything for the kids. I hate when that happens. Jamar
Chase was not on the clock here now, had he
signed the autograph, that's cool. Turning down the autograph is
also cool. He's on his own time. Also, if he
signs one. I can understand the perspective of if I
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sign one, now, I'm gonna have to spend time signing
the rest. And while some of that does come with
the territory of being a well known, famous, and well
compensated football player, you don't have to honor every request.
The bad look here is not on Jamar Chase. It's
on the Goofball who went on his TikTok account and
decided on an airplane to shame Jamar Chase. By the way,
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Jamar shows an incredible amount of restraint because he could
have gotten up and decided to, you know, beat the
hell out of the guy, and he didn't do that.
And thankfully he didn't, because then Jamar would be in trouble.
But if you don't get an autograph, I'm not talking
about a little kid. Who you know, little kids throw
temper tantrums. Adults are not supposed to throw temper tantrums. Uh,
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and so just as a peek and I don't I
don't love this era that we're in, where you know,
let's try to shame everybody with our phones on social media.
Let's let's let's come up with a gotcha moment. There
are times, perhaps when such a thing as warranted. A
guy sitting in his airplane seat, minding his own business,
not causing a disruption on his own time, on free time,
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not signing his autograph, not signing your autograph is not
the occasion to try to shame somebody Like I legitimately
wonder what what what did? What did did this guy
expect Jamor to stand up and go, okay, you know what, here,
I'll sign for you. You just decided to shame me
on TikTok. And I don't really know that anybody else
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on the plane, if you watch the video, really seem
to care. I'm sure many of the people had no
idea who Jamar Chase is. Some did and just thought
with this guy's acting like a child and throwing a
temper tantrum. What's the expectation there, I'm gonna shame Jamar
Chase into signing my autograph. And then when you have
the Jamar Chase autograph, is it even cooler because you
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chose to shame him into signing one. I don't know,
man adults throwing temper tantrums because other adults won't sign
a piece of paper for him. And again, it's one
thing if like Jamar is at that fanatics fest where
you're paid to be there and sign whatever. It's one thing.
If you're at a team function where the players are
obligated to be there and you approach him for an
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autograph and he turns you down, maybe that's something else.
Although to me, it's like, what's the matter in which
you get turned down? Is it, hey, man, if I
signed for you, I got to sign for anybody, Or
is you.
Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Know a jerk about it?
Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
I don't see anything to suggest that Jamar was a jerk.
But the guy, in his own time, minding his own business, deciding,
look for reasons that are entirely personal to him, he's
not going to sign. You choose to throw a temper
tantrum on social media. What is that supposed to accomplish,
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especially when we're talking about a player here who has
a well documented track record of, you know, being a
pretty decent guy, of signing autographs, being pretty engaging with fans.
If you ask someone for an autograph and they say yes,
that's really cool, or a picture and they say, oh, yes,
that's really cool, and you would hope that a even
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if the request is turned down, it's done in a
friendly manner. But if you are turned down, if you're
an adult, please please don't throw a temper tantrum. I'm
generally anti adult throwing temper tantrum, especially when it includes
trying to shame someone on social media. I haven't asked
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anybody for an autograph in quite a while, but I
have been turned down when I've asked people for autographs
in my younger days, when I was a kid, I
might throw a temperatantrum. Chances are a to not as
an adult, no and no social media shame.
Speaker 10 (01:14:44):
This is an uncommon I'd have been an establishment where
I've seen somebody get upset because JAMRB who's refused to
take a picture with them, and then they went on
social media the next day and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Look, I mean, is it cool if he takes the picture? Yes,
But if Jamar isn't an establishment a player is well
known as Jamar Chase, and he decides while he's trying
to enjoy himself that he's gonna take one picture.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
You don't think he's suddenly gonna have to take a hundred.
Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Pictures right, Like again, if he does it and decides,
all right, I'll spend the next hour posing for photos, awesome,
like terrific, That is cool as hell. But if he's
just trying to enjoy himself and have a drink or
have a meal, or spend time with people who are
you know, his friend's family, whatever, and he's like, look,
I'm here to enjoy myself and enjoy the people that
I'm with and relax and enjoy my free time. I
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don't want to spend it taking NonStop pictures. I understand
that he's a human being. And again, if he decides, cool,
let's take a picture and then I'll tell everybody else, Now,
that's fine. If he decides I'll take one picture and
I'll take them all that's cool. I've seen that happen
and it's neat when it does. But if he's again
his own free time, especially if he's with people, with
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his family, with people that he has, you know, he's
spending time with who he's there to enjoy their company
and he doesn't want to spend the entire time there
posing for photos. That's totally fine. And then if you
decide you're gonna throw the temper tantrum, you're the one
who looks bad. That's most rational. People aren't gonna come
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to your defense. They're gonna go, why are you acting
like a nine year old? Why are you throwing the tantrum?
Just like our guy here on the airplane, Chase Burns
will make his big league debut tonight. This should be exciting.
Jonathan Mayo has watched him, maybe more than anybody. He
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Good afternoon on mowegar. Thank you so much for listening today.
It's going to be a fun night tonight at GAVP
Reds and Yankees, with Chase Burns making his big league debut.
After a dominant series of stops at Dayton, certainly Chattanooga
and briefly at Louisville, he is set to take the
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hill tonight. Red's looking for a third straight win. This
is going to be a lot of fun. Less than
a year after he was drafted by the Reds, and
last year's draft out of Wake Forest. I knew yesterday
morning because I'm sitting down, and I knew we were
going to talk about Chase Burns, and I knew Jonathan
Mayo would have something, and lo and behold wrote a
terrific piece about what to expect from Chase Burns and
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really kind of dives into some of the changes he
has made and the improvements he has made from last
year when he was awesome at Wake Forest and taken
by the Red second overall, to what he has done
so far on a series of minor league mounds, and
what we could expect tonight. Go read that at MLB
dot com. I've put a link to that on social media.
And by the way, Jonathan also the author of one
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of my favorite recent baseball books, Smart, Wrong, and Lucky,
which is an outstanding read and awesome in its own
right for the Joey Vado chapters, So a great summertime read.
Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Jonathan kind enough during what I'm sure is a busy time.
Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Of year for him as the draft gets closer to
give us a few minutes to talk Chase Burns.
Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
It's good to have you as always, sir.
Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
How are you, Chase burning day. I'm stoked, and I
would imagine you are not going to temper my excitement.
Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
I'm excited. I am very excited. I think that, I mean,
we were just talking about this earlier, and it's rare
that it's weird to say this about a guy with
the number two pick in the draft. But Chase Burns
is much better, much more quickly than I would have anticipated.
Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
So go back a year, because when he was taken
number two overall, I think for a lot of folks
that was pretty surprising. But even those who said it's
maybe not the guy that I thought the Reds were
going to take, he at least represents somebody who has
perhaps the best chance to get to the big leagues
more quickly than anybody else. So I would imagine for
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you it's not that surprising that he's going to be
on a big league mount tonight.
Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
Yeah, I mean I think that. You know, he was
one of the best lines in the class. The rest
of the slight pause about some of the staffball quality.
I'm trying to talk about that, as I wrote a
lot about that in my piece. That kept him from
being considered a top top of the draft trended guy
(01:20:07):
it was a little bit of a surprise that he
win too, But it's not like them as reached for
a guy who was ranked, you know, twenty fourth on lists.
Speaker 7 (01:20:15):
You know, we think at a.
Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
Six, and he got the sense that he would probably
move relatively quickly, but we'd just see how it would
play on the pro game. And I think the second
actually saw him throw in spring training and then you know,
he hit the ground running with Dayton. Got the sense
that it was to be fairly accelerated timetable, and that
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was just a question of when and not ask you
it fits persisted out of this year.
Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
So what has he been able to harness without giving
away the content that you put on MLB dot com,
what has he been able to harness? Uh? Since he
was drafted. That has allowed him to get through the
system as quickly as he has.
Speaker 7 (01:21:00):
But stuff has always been good.
Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
He could have gotten big leg hitters out with the
slider right out of college, and so he comes in
with one of the best breaking balls, probably the best
slider in the minor leagues today. So that's already in
a backpack. He's got a fastball that hits one hundred
miles an hour routine and he maintained the velocity. The
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thing that was interesting about the fastball is that it
got hit, especially by left handed hitters. In college, not
a lot of discission, was a little straight. There doesn't
seem to be that much different in terms of the
life on the fastball. The biggest thing I think is
support is his change up. It's not throwing it that
much more. He's just executing it better and no one
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is hitting it, and he's only throwing it to left
handed hitters. But that was the big issue. The change
up was hit by left he's when he was at
Lake Forest last year, so it wasn't keeping them off
the fastball. Now that he's.
Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
Throwing a better change up, so.
Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
We've had good stay to it. It's crazy money. Those
has changed at ninety miles an hour, which is the bunkers,
but it's got enough state and there's enough separation from
a fast one that averages over ninety seven miles an
hour and it really works. And that's left canded hitters
off of the fastball enough where they're not squaring enough
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and they just have not been hitting at the numbers.
Has been very, very good against leftanded hitters as a result.
Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Of that, well, what was your take on their plan
with him? And acknowledging the draft is later now than
it used to be, so maybe this is more commonplace.
But they they take him number two overall, and then
they send them to the Arizona Complex. He doesn't pitch
in games, doesn't make his pro debut until Dayton at
High A this year. I guess there's two ways of
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asking this. Number one, would you make of what they
did with him? Number two is what they did with
him becoming more commonplace, especially with college pitchers.
Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
Yeah, it's pretty common across all thirty or organizations. You
just typically don't see guys go out after a long
college season.
Speaker 7 (01:23:08):
You know, he.
Speaker 6 (01:23:08):
Threw twenty almost twenty more innings than he ever had
before in any given year, and that was back as
a freshman. He threw eighty innings if you seventy two
Tennessee as a sophomore after he lost his rotation spot.
So some of it's monitoring workloads. There's just no reason,
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after being shut down for so long to get a
guy this caliber ran back up just to throw a
handful of gettings or in his feet wet. You know,
I think you could make the argument on the drafts earlier.
This is a pitcher who didn't pitch deep into the
College World Series or something like that, that you maybe
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want to have to throw some mintings or send him
to the fall league in the Nationals of the Steven
Strasbourg back in the day. But it's a very to
see college pitchers at all, but particularly not high end
college fischers pitched off and that Lauder didn't throw a
pitch after he was drafted either. I just it's not
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worth it, you know. Let him get a little work
in the instructs, give him your off season program, and
let him hit the ground running in his first full season.
And that's what both of those guys did. But it
certainly worked for Chase Burns. And I really like how
they kind of stretched him out, you know, the courses
this year. His first couple of starts in Dayton was
pitching once a week sort of college schedule. Then they
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kept slowly sort of shortening up the time in the
seam while amping up the pitch counts. They were kind
of hoping to get him to ninety pitches that he's
been too efficient. I think he hears from eighty eight
in the seven in the game and the plaster flo
start and his last starting double A through eighty pitches
through sevenues.
Speaker 7 (01:24:54):
So it's a good problem to have.
Speaker 6 (01:24:55):
But if he steps out on it to go deep,
the stuff holds up. There's a ton of strike you know,
and he's read the help monitor his workload for the.
Speaker 7 (01:25:04):
Rest of the year. So he stays in the big leagues.
Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
And I don't they're gonna soon him throw nine innings
or one hundred and thirty pitches at any pointy time.
Speaker 7 (01:25:12):
But you know, he's already up.
Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
To a good amount of total pitches. I think at
sixty six pitches. So he's got that far off from
what his career high has been, and I'll be mindful
of that.
Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Jonathan Mayo with us the Talk Chase Burns MLB dot com.
The numbers at all three stops, in particular Chattanooga are
beyond impressive. When we've had a chance to watch highlights
of them. The stuff certainly looks like it translates to
the big league level. Is there a concern and if
there is, what is it?
Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
I have no concerns. I can't think of one.
Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
Well.
Speaker 6 (01:25:47):
I usually err on the side of caution because the
old pitchers, we'll hit some bumps, but you know, I
won't say he had any bad starts, but once or
twice where he struggled a little bit, he would invariably
come back the next start and it made adjustments. It's
just it's such an exciting combination of stuff and command.
Speaker 7 (01:26:10):
Which team has always had. He's always thrown a.
Speaker 6 (01:26:12):
Ton of strikes, stuff come in and athleticism that it's
just like I said, I think the only surprise is
that it quick this well, this quickly, you know, and
missould was shocking because it was all there, and just
thought maybe would take them a little while thing to
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the fastenal to get hit and we'd have to adjust
what kind of thing, you know. It was a similar
criticism for Hunter Green that took him a while to
adjust to and figure out. But because I think because
Burns is a better strike thrower and had a larger
array now pitches, it helped them to pitch off that
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fastball much more effectively.
Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Ret Louder in twenty twenty three, and we had a
chance to watch him late last season. Unfortunately, we haven't
had a chance to watch him this year because he's
dealt with injuries. Chase Burns tonight. Wake Forest has produced
a ton of players. What are they doing with pitchers
that other colleges apparently are.
Speaker 6 (01:27:14):
Well, you know, there are other teams that the young
man to ls pitching for Pittsburgh right now is pretty good,
pretty good.
Speaker 7 (01:27:21):
That's for those of you where he has.
Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
Scars and they have uh, they have a potential number
one pick this year in Kate Anderson. For those who
loast of college world's serious that what I'm talking about.
Wake Forest has a pitching lab. A lot of teams
have some semblance of one. There's is be really good
where they just dig into the data and pitch shape
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and all that kind of stuff, and it's uh, you know,
a little a little bit of witch doctory. You know,
you should try to talk to Chase about it. He's
the first submit that kind of out there. But they
really fine race and these guys had success, And I
mean the big reason why Burns moved from Tennessee to
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wake Forest he missed out of winning a national championship,
you know, and he lost his rotation spot. And Tennessee
does good stuff with pitchers as well, but he wanted
the opportunity to take the stuff he had and kind
of thrown into their Matt Sciences popper and pitching a
lot and seeing what came out. And it's not like
he's come out with the fast leave, but suddenly they
had some more scanner life or ride or anything like that.
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But I think he came out of it with a
better understanding of how to use what he has, and
he has, you know, his plenty. It might end up
being three plus pitchers were all of a sudden done.
Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Uh, while I have you and I know you're getting
ready for the draft here in just a couple of weeks,
the Reds picked ninth overall.
Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Is this a good year to have the ninth overall pick?
Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
You know, it's it's not the best draft in the world.
Last year was better and up top it's I think
they're a good position because there is a I think
there's a set eight or nine guys and they can
kind of wait to see who might drop to this,
you know, and if someone up a love them, cuts
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a deal and you know, and one of the top
half guys stops down there, they're ready to swoop. They're
not afraid to take anybody. So it could be a
good year to pick nine because they can wait to
see who's there. They're not afraid to take say high
school right hand or like Seth Fernandez, who you know.
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I've had the Reds take a time or two with
book books and counsel, and I have in armock drafts.
I'm working on newmock right now, and they might end
up that way again. So that would be Yank. He's
the best high school pitcher and probably now continue the
second best pitcher in the entire draft class. So to
get a guy like that at nine, because they're not
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a a lot of teams that you the dice on
a high school right in that high that could.
Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Work out well for the awesome stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
I know you're you're busy preparing for the draft, but
I wanted your take on Chase Burns. I appreciate you
doing this, man, Thanks so much. Pusure you got it.
That's Jonathan Mayo, Mlbpipeline, MLB dot com. I tweeted out
a link to his piece, what do you expect from
Chase Burns? He makes his big league debut in less
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Bengals questions and issues, and there is something from that
conversation that I want to touch on here in in
just a bit. The star of last night's show. The
star of last night's game. Was Eli Delacruz a double
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shy the cycle He was the story last night. The
Reds bullpen also a part of the story last night,
and the Red's getting a second consecutive win. Fun atmosphere
at the ball part kind of a playoff feel. Yes,
tons of Yankee fans. By the way, As a quick aside,
I have a question if you're a Yankees fan, because,
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and I've noticed this before, but I it stood out
to me last night being at the ballpark a lot
of Yankee fans, which you would expect. The Yankees have
a huge national brand, huge global brand, and any number
of iconic players whose jerseys you may want to wear
if you're a Yankees fan, and so a lot of
Yankees jerseys were spotted last night. Chances are you know
(01:33:34):
that the New York Yankees have never had names on
the backs of their jerseys. I think they're the only
baseball team that to this day has never had their
players' last names on the backs of either their home
or road jerseys. When I was a kid, the Cubs
didn't have their names on their home jerseys. Now they do,
but they would have them on the road jerseys. The
Yankees have to the best of my knowledge, and I
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think this is true, never had the name of their
players on the backs of their jerseys. Yet when you
see fans wearing jerseys, which I own two Reds jerseys,
I will occasionally wear one to a game. I got
no problem doing that. One's a Dave Parker, the others
of Barry Larkin. That's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Maybe your anti jersey look to each their own.
Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
But if I were a Yankee fan and I were
to get a jersey, I cannot imagine getting a jersey
of a Yankees player, current or former that has the
name on the back of the jersey. Like last night,
I saw a guy with a Derek Jeter jersey on
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and had said Jeter on it. And the only time
Derek Jeter ever played a baseball game with his name
on the back of his jersey I believe would have
been in an All Star Game if it was one
of those where they don't wear their typical uniforms. Pretty
damn good chance. Derek Jeter never played a Major League
baseball game, certainly did not wearing a hole Roade Yankee
(01:35:00):
uniform with his name on the back. Maybe in spring training.
If you're a Yankees fan, do you wear the jersey
that has the last name, like I saw at number nineteen,
Paul O'Neill. That's fine. O'Neil was on the back of
his Rex jersey. It was never on the back of
his Yankees jersey. It was a Babe Ruth number three
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Ruth on the back. I promise you, Babe Ruth never
had his name on the back of the jersey anyway.
Ellie dela Cruz, that tangent aside, was the star of
the show last night. Last hour, I was begging for
Ellie to get better at throwing because like a game
like last night, and maybe I shouldn't care what people
say on social media, and for the most part, I don't,
but all I wanted to do is tweet about Ellie
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de la Cruz last night. I did not feel like
hearing from people about his error. But the reality is
when a ball is shit to Ellie de la Cruz,
he kind of holds your breath. And so I'm begging him,
begging for him to be better at throwing, just so
it doesn't slightly watered down all the cool stuff he
can do offensively. And over the last month he has
been awesome with the bat Chase Burns makes his big
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league debut tonight. I have no idea how it's gonna go.
I'm excited to find out. It's fun to watch high
end prospects get their chance. Maybe he'll succeed, maybe he'll fail.
Maybe he'll fail but still be awesome. I don't know.
I can't wait to find out. What I love most
about this is the Reds are not throwing caution to
the wind, but they're prioritizing the here and now. And
(01:36:31):
they're doing it because of circumstance. Right like, if Wade
Miley were healthy, Chase Burns would not be pitching tonight.
If Hunter Green were healthy, perhaps Chase Burns would not
be pitching tonight. So circumstance has shifted or changed, or
at least shaped their decision making. But they view him
as the best option. They're using the best option. They're
(01:36:53):
not worrying about tomorrow. They're not worrying about they're ruining
his psyche, They're not worrying about the well, what are
we gonna do with the starting his his clock of
accumulating service time. We're trying to win tonight's game. We're
trying to stack wins so that is very refreshing if
you're a Reds fan, and maybe it tells you that
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they're going to be aggressive at the deadline, and maybe
it tells you that they're actually going to prioritize winning
this year. And by the way, maybe they don't because
the team itself falls flat in its face. And look,
if the Reds go out there and lose twelve out
of fifteen, we're not gonna be talking about buying it
the deadline anymore, and we're not going to be talking
about the Reds being contender. So how the team plays
(01:37:34):
is obviously gonna dramatically shape what they do or don't
do it the deadline. But I also beg this man, like,
we've talked so much about Ellie Dellacruz and his future
and what's he going to cost to keep and will
he sign here a long term? Will the Reds really
try to sign him long term? Could he be Baseball's
(01:37:55):
first one billion dollar player? Could he make one sodo money?
And I have no idea. Here's what I know. When
you have talents like this, and there are others, but
when you have talents like this, you cannot waste them.
Ellie Delacruz has yet to play on Sunday Night baseball obviously,
has yet to play in the postseason. He has yet
(01:38:16):
to start an All Star Game. He'll be in the
All Star Game this year, I believe for the second time.
He's had very few opportunities for the sport's biggest stages.
Give Ellie Delacruz a chance to play on the biggest stage.
Maybe that does or doesn't compel him to want to
stay here. I have no idea, none, but do not
(01:38:41):
waste them. The shame of it would be not Ellie
leaves when he can. The shame of it would be
that Ellie leaves and he never got a chance to
play in the playoffs here. I think one of the
saddest things in recent Reds history is that you have
a player in Joey Vado, who will be in Cooper's
town one day, who was a beloved player, an accomplished player,
(01:39:04):
one of the best hitters the Reds have ever produced,
one of the finest offensive players of this century, never
got a chance to play in a National League championship series,
was only on a handful of teams that had more
wins than losses, and unfortunately, through no fault of his
(01:39:26):
own is not a player who you identify with team success.
Every other revered Red, every other franchise icon is connected
to at least some level of team success. Joey Vado,
you don't think of team success. They obviously had a
couple of years when they won divisions and they played
in the playoffs. But I think you understand the point.
(01:39:48):
It's a shame the Reds wasted Joey Vado. Joey stayed
here forever and played his entire big league career here.
I don't know if Dela Cruz is going to do that.
My guess is Elliot, at some point in the twenty
thirties is going to be playing somewhere else. And that's okay.
That's a reflection of him hitting free agency and him
(01:40:10):
having the ability to go and choose where he wants
to play. He will have earned that right. The shame
of it won't be him leaving. If he does, the
shame of it would be he leaves. And while they
had them, they never really competed. So if you have
a chance this year, you know, we talked about this
a little bit yesterday. You can be aggressive, and you
(01:40:32):
can be bold, and you could take some risks, And
that doesn't necessarily mean you have to totally screw up
your chances of winning down the road just for the
sake of trying to win this year. You can make
acquisitions and give up pieces and be comfortable giving up
those pieces and it doesn't wreck your farm system. If
(01:40:53):
in four or five weeks this team's wins outnumber the
losses and they're only a handful of gain out of
the wildcard and they have a legitimate chance, just ask
that question, what would Ellie want you get extended? What
would Matt McLain want, Tyler Stevenson, maybe Hunter Green, Andrew
Abbot who's having an all star caliber season. TJ friedel
(01:41:15):
you know, two years ago and I I I rarely
get mad at media tropes, but two years ago, when
the Reds didn't do anything at the deadline, remember they
were in Chicago, they were in first place, they were
in Chicago, and they didn't do anything at the deadline,
and all the reporting was, well, you know, the guys
in the clubhouse were actually, you know, pretty happy that
they didn't make any trades, and it's like, really, don't
(01:41:37):
really believe that, really, you know, the players looked at
the front office, and so let's just proceed with our
awful starting pitching as is. Come on, man, so you
know who knows what's gonna happen. They may lose tonight,
they may lose tomorrow, they may lose the next eight games.
And you know this is a moot point. But if
they play well over the next couple of weeks, chances
(01:41:59):
are they will have done so. With elidalor Cruz continuing
his tear and over his last twenty seven or twenty
eight games he has been awesome. But give that due
to chance. Give that dude to chance to play on
the game's biggest stage. Give that guy a chance to
play in October, because he's only going to get so
many chances here, don't waste one. Twenty four minutes away
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Sports headlines are a service oh Kelsey chevroalet home of
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and Yanks Tonight at GABP seven ten Tonight's first chuck
on seven hundred WLW Chase Burns making his Big League
debut against two time All Star lefty Carlos rode On.
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Starting lineup for Cincinnati tonight, TJ Friedels and center McLean's
at second, Elli's at short Spencer Steers and leftfield Tye Stevenson.
I called him tie Ty Stevenson's catching Reese Hines and
right field Travino is dhing Tonight's cees at first and
Santiago Espinal's at third base, batting ninth.
Speaker 7 (01:43:53):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
John Carlos Stanton, who's always hurt. He is a not
in the starting lineup for the Yankees this evening. Garrett Hampson,
who was DFA by the Reds, has been claimed off
waivers by the Saint Louis Cardinals. Best of luck to
Garrett Hampson. I guess Chase Burns officially added to the roster.
Yas Vorzueleta has been sent to Louisville. Austin Hayes sent
(01:44:16):
to begin a rehab assignment at Double A Chattanooga, Florence
Yaw's home tonight for Windy City. I mentioned before that
Paul Danner Junior was with us in the first hour
of the show. He wrote and this came out, I
think while I was on vacation, an excellent piece on
the Bengals offense and year two of Dan Pitcher as
(01:44:37):
the offensive coordinator and the continuity the Bengals should enjoy
with the same offensive coordinator, same head coach, obviously, the
same quarterback. Another year for Jamaar, another year for t Higgins,
the Chase Brown being an established commodity and somebody who
I think you have a better sense of what he
can do. And the Bengals early last season were barely
(01:45:00):
using him Mike Esicki in year two of this offense,
some of the other wide receivers coming back, no real turnover.
Samash A. P Ryan is back. For what that's worth,
My guy, Taj Brooks, you know what it is interesting
and to a degree said and to a degree the
faults of people like me. So the off season conversations
(01:45:23):
have been about free agency, which, let's face it, for
the Bengals was at least a little bit of a letdown.
The draft, obviously, the Jamar Jason T. Higgins contracts, the
decisions about some players that they let get away, and
then obviously the contracts stand off with Trey Hendrickson, which
has you know, really taken on a life of its own,
(01:45:44):
and the Shamar Stewart thing, which has now also taken
on a life of its own. And those things are
important topics, right, like it's it's Trey Hendrickson, a Defensive
Player of the Year finalist, Like his contract status and
his availability willingness to play under his current deal and
all that stuff. Whether or not he's going to show
up for camp, whether or not he's going to play
the first game, all of the he's important. So those
(01:46:07):
things are important. Shamar Stewart is also important. That goes
without saying, but so much time and effort and energy
has been spent on those things that you kind of
maybe you don't forget, but maybe slightly let drift to
the background the excitement and hopes for an offense, the
(01:46:30):
legitimately has a chance to be the best in the league.
I mean, there were times last year where they were
absolutely unstoppable, and that's before they started winning games. That
stretch they had where they scored ninety nine points in
three games. What we should have been talking about was
how good Joe Burrow was and how good the overall
performance of the offense was, and how hard and difficult
they are to defend. I think one of the most
(01:46:52):
fascinating storylines about this NFL season, and I think this
would apply even if you weren't a Bengals fan, is
how are NFL defense is going to adjust to what
the Bengals unleashed last year. With Jamar Chase, who obviously
has been a statistically productive player for a very long time,
but they used him in so many different ways last year.
(01:47:14):
How do opposing defenses adjust to that? What's the Bengals
counter to how the league adjusts?
Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
How do they.
Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
Benefit from more continuity by the way, how might they
benefit from perhaps perhaps an improved offensive line. We will
spend a lot of time on Trey and Chamar and
whatever other issues come up, and it's going to be
interesting to see how this version of training camp impacts
their ability to start the season getting off to a
(01:47:41):
better start. But looming above all of this is an
offense that legitimately has a chance to be the best
in the history of the franchise and maybe this season
the best in the NFL. And if that ends up
being the case, with a quarterback who was an MVP
(01:48:02):
finalist last year, with a wide receiver who was the
most productive in the sport last season, would you bet
on them not making the playoffs? I would not, Mike,
go ahead, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. How's it going?
Speaker 11 (01:48:19):
It's going. Would you bet on those two guards that
they're going to start for the season to do a
really great job?
Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Well, that's subjective. What's a great job? It's define define
great job.
Speaker 11 (01:48:32):
What dom I bet to keep Jill from getting whacked
and pressured and stuff. Do you think that they will
be above average starting guards week one?
Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
Do I think they have a chance to be better
in Week one than the guards they had weeks week
eighteen last year. Absolutely, we'll see. I mean they're not
gonna They're not going to play at a Pro Bowl level.
Uh And and look, man, the offensive line the Cincinnati
Bengals will be a concern until it's not, and it's
(01:49:03):
been one for nearly a decade. But I think it
was completely reasonable to expect the guard played to be
better than it was last season.
Speaker 11 (01:49:11):
Oh, we better hope. So. But if you if I
were a wagering man and you said, hey, Mike, I'll
take the Bengals. You've got the field for the best
offense in the league. I gotta take the field.
Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
I mean, I mean, in any situation where it's thirty
one choices versus one, I'll always take the field.
Speaker 7 (01:49:31):
But well, I was hoping.
Speaker 4 (01:49:33):
But I mean, would you would you be surprised if
statistically the Bengals had the best offense in the NFL.
Speaker 11 (01:49:41):
I wouldn't be surprised that they had the best passing
offense in the in the league. I don't know about
the running offense, but I think the passing for sure.
I don't see how you couldn't, especially like you said,
with Pasuki back for another year and then the younger guys.
I sure hope that kid from Alabama, Well, it wouldn't
have to be one wonderful if he could all of
a sudden just be like, dude.
Speaker 6 (01:50:04):
Wouldn't that be?
Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
Would be?
Speaker 7 (01:50:07):
Would be?
Speaker 11 (01:50:07):
Howes? Oh my god, because if that happened the week
better watch out. You're right, but that that great tight end,
that Joe All, he's out for what another year?
Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
Eric All? Unfortunately? Yeah. And and look, by the way
you talk about the Bengals running offense, they're They're never
They're never going to be I think ranked in the
top half of the league in rushing yards per game
because when they run the football, they're doing what the
other team's defensive coordinator wants them to do. So if
they're averaging they averaged ninety two point six yards per
game on the ground last season, which I think was
(01:50:41):
third or fourth worst. That number I don't think increases
that that much. Even if they're better on the ground,
because I don't expect him to run the ball that
that much. What I do hope is they can run
the ball more efficiently. Now.
Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
Last season they were right.
Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
In the middle of the pack in yards per attempt,
right in the middle of the pack. I think they
averaged four point one yards per attempt and like half
the league average four point three, four point two or
four point one. I think it's reasonable to expect that
number to go up slightly. And if they have a
league average rushing attack with what they can do throwing
the football, that could add up to the most productive
(01:51:23):
offense in the NFL.
Speaker 11 (01:51:25):
Yeah. Plus they got your your your, your youngster that
you're all jacked.
Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
Up with, Tom Bruk, Todge Brooks. Yeah, it's my guy.
Speaker 11 (01:51:32):
I'm thinking, I'm thinking James Brooks. Wouldn't that be something.
Speaker 4 (01:51:36):
I would like? James Brooks. I would I would like
I would take James Brooks right now.
Speaker 11 (01:51:41):
Oh my god, would he fit this deal or what?
Speaker 7 (01:51:44):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (01:51:45):
So, no, I know Ron doon'es pitching tonight. That worries
me a little bit. I thought Freed was pitching tomorrow night,
but when I googled it, they said it was still
to be announced.
Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
Yeah, I saw the same thing and didn't it didn't
dive into it. But I but ied I noticed the
same thing. I know he most recently pitched Friday, he
was originally gonna pitch and uh it's still listened as TBD.
Speaker 11 (01:52:12):
Well, let's hope he does it.
Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
Thanks Moll, all right, you gotta go. Yes, we're done.
Shows over, we'll talk about Chase Burns, we'll look ahead
to FC Cincinnati's match, and so much more. Thanks to
Tarren Blandford producing the show. Thanks to you for listening.
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