July 22, 2025 • 42 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to preview Bengals training camp, including a handicapping of the field for the annual Mo Egger Award. We also talked about Shemar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson, two people you won't hear talked about anywhere else.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moeger, thank you for listening.
Hopefully you're having an awesome Tuesday. Paul Dayner Junior is
here from The Athletic and The Growler podcast and obviously
was not listening yesterday. He was busy at Mock Turtle
Soup when I spent two minutes talking about how awesome
the crossover episode was Zach Taylor Power Stack Podcast, The
(00:48):
Growler Zach talking about the Reds. I had a sense
Zach talking about the Reds was a respite from him
having to answer weeks were the questions about Trey Hendrickson
and Shamar Stewart coming up?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Has ever signed up to do a podcast with me? Quicker?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
When I was like, here's the concept you don't talk
about the Bengals for one interview, He's like, when can
I do it? Line it up? And it was phenomenal.
I'm sure he was extra happy to do it, and
I enjoyed it. I believe in giving the people what
they want. I saw this, and so you and I
are here for an hour.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Now. We would be remiss if we spent the entire
hour and didn't talk about Trey Hendrickson, who did not
report to Bengals training camp today and Shamar Stewart who
hasn't reported yet either. So we're gonna talk about that.
But I left it up to the audience. I left
it up to people on Twitter, what do you want us.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
To start with?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And the idea is, if you want us to start
with Shamar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson, fine, we'll do it.
And if you want us to wait and start with
like everybody else and all the other storylines and there's
a bunch, we'll.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Do that too.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And then we'll tell you if if we start with
all the other stuff in about a half hour, we're
gonna have to do Trey and Schamar, and that's your
chance to you know, go away for a while and
then hopefully at some point come back.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I saw the.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Poll that you posted, and I was quick to vote
and then see if I could create more social media
addresses to continue to vote.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
In what direction I was I would I'm fine with
where we end up. The number fifty.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Nine point one percent say start the show, do the
first two segments on everything else.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, I thought everything else would win. I didn't think
it would be quite that decisive. People are so over it.
So but aren't they?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And how could you not be? But we're not going
to talk about it. We're not. Now. That's about thirty
minutes save that.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
This is like the day last week or I think
about a week more than one week go now where
I tried to turn my podcast into a Shamar Stewart
free zone and.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It lasted one day.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I really tried, like it was an earnest attempt, like
I think I'm gonna do this, and then I just
you can't, You just you just can't. But I tried
and and failed. But I'm ready for what we're ever
doing right now. So let's preview training camp, which may
do it. Let's talk about the players who are there.
How many jobs starting tomorrow are legitimately up for grabs,
(03:11):
starting gigs. Starting gigs are just roster spots. I mean,
not a ton. I think the back of the roster.
We get too into the back of the roster. Probably
there's some spots there.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But and by the way, we're going to today with
the battle for the third quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Spot, well of course coming up in a bit, of course,
have you got a jersey yet?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
That's one of my questions for you.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Okay, sorry, sorry, I didn't even take that off your list. No,
I think I think there's some. There's always some. I
think there's opportunity. But you don't you know, you have
a small number of draft picks. You have a lot
of turnover, you know. I remember writing last year about
how many rookies and undrafted rookies that they had taking snaps,
(03:59):
meaningful snaps, and how many of them cause losses, right
like that was a big part of the really an
undercurrent of last year's failures, with so many of those
big moments where Ryan Rico trying to get a hold
down Dejon Anthony and Kansas City. Like some of these
late picks, undrafted guys that had mistakes, you have them
(04:19):
in their second year. So it's more about because you
have a small draft class. To me, it's more about
a lot of the leap guys, the year two leap
potential guys than it is necessarily about this year's rookie class.
I have a pretty good feel for where this year's
rookie class plots, those that show up and what that's
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gonna look like. But I think the bigger question is
when you get into some of the people that started
making an impact from the back half of last year's
draft class, can't Will they fall off and be forgotten? Okay,
you had your chance, or is there that progu and
where does that come from? And that can go a
(05:02):
long way to defining I think some of the back
of this roster in terms of what it looks like,
the starting gut jobs. I mean, Jay and I did
this on the podcast today. There's not a ton of
stuff up for grabs. I mean that both guard spots
we know, but I mean they have cleared the deck
for Dylan Fairchild. They're gonna give him every opportunity. It's
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whether he can do it or not. They like what
they've seen from him, but he's never put professional pads
on before, and so we'll see what that looks like
Cordell Wilson is there to push him at the other
guard spot or at that guard spot, and then they're
leaving the other side to the two vets to kind
of duke it out between Cody Ford and Lucas Patrick
and then the others. If they can prove something could
maybe enter the mix. But for the most part, they've
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kind of siloed those two off and to simplify those
battles a little bit. Outside of that, I mean, you've
got a bunch of guys that are gonna try it
again the same thing. These second year guys, they're going
to try to ascend at different spots, but it feels
like they really have a pretty you have a pretty
good feel of the.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
To the too deep at this point. Are you doing
a roster projection here? Yeah? At the outset of camp. Yes,
it's running tomorrow morning. I'm mostly done with it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Can we spoil running back? Are they going to carry
for Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think so. Yeah. Well, the variable.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
There is to me is Zach Moss in terms of
how healthy he looks, how healthy he plays. Did his
injury affect anything about his game? We don't really know that.
You come back from a next thing and there's a
lot of confidence in that, but you don't know until
you get out there and do it and what like,
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what is his role even if he is Yeah, I
feel like we know Samaj.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
That's what I've been trying to wrap my brain around.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Like, I just think he's just there in case, which
is good, Like you need that and Taj Brooks being
more of the upside development.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Will see what he looks like in all these preseason games.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Guy, if he's really great, maybe there is a potential
for them to only carry three and do something extra elsewhere.
I just think I like. I think they like under
the assumption that Zach Moss is healthy and looks similar
to the player that he was last year. He's a
nice rotational running back to have in your mix. And
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they like the setup of that room with four and
it makes sense with their roster.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Construction right now.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You were asking folks on the Growler Podcast's social media feed,
you know last week, things that are interesting about Camp
that have nothing to do with contracts. And I didn't
see what everybody responded, but I saw there were folks
who chimed in with wide receiver three understanding Gasiki is
the third wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Is that battle.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Underneath him as interesting or as wide open as many
seem to.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Think it is not interesting? Yeah, I don't think I don't.
I think it's that we've we've you know, sort of
plotted this out. They have a top four and I
think there is a significant tier drop after that. You
have Gisiki and Yobash behind uh, you know, Chase in
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Higgins and that's your four pass catchers. And then and
then it's hey, what do you guys got? Can can
you be something? We heard again?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Show Award?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Moegar Show Award? There are so many candidates for the
Moeger Show Award this year, and you're gonna be there, yes,
to take in everyone. Seven guys that are basically undrafted rookies.
I mean they're all Moeger Show. Can we handicap it?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
At the break, I'm going to handicap the Moeger Show Award.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Those who don't know, it's the wide receiver that kind
of emerges from nowhere, becomes a little.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Bit of a favorite generate some buzz light.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
We start talking I tweets some highlights and then we
started talking about like, you know what this guy here
tell you what jamar Che should be looking over his shoulder,
you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
That's how silly it gets.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yes, but I think that those four again yesterday though
we get another look. I'm hopeful on Jermaine Burton from
Dan Pitchers, and I appreciate that, of course, but he's
sort of laying down that you have to do this
every couple of weeks. You have to do these mile
posts where you just say, okay, still doing the right things.
(09:30):
Still showed up and it was funny, you know. Pitch
was talking about it and said exactly that, like, you know,
he has to be where he's supposed to be when
it's time to be there.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He was thinking.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
He was talking along the lines of on the field,
and we all started chuckling, and he was like, I know,
you laugh, but like, yes, obviously he has to show
up and all of that, obviously, but that's also on
the field, and he's right now. I feel like he
has come in and mentally picked up what he needs
to be picking up. Is in the right place, is
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doing all of those things, and that's a big deal
considering where we were last year. The other part that
he added on to it was like here's the thing, though,
he's gonna get a ton of reps this preseason. He's
gonna play, I mean, he is gonna play a lot.
They're gonna put him to the test, good as you should. Good,
go out there, prove you can run the right route
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and be in the right place and do the right
thing for three games and some practices and do all
that right and that, you know, it opens the door.
They're laying out the red carpet for a path to
being a part of this team. And that's something considering
where we were at. And so we'll see if he
can do it. But they're you know, another sort of
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you know, stamp of approve on where he's currently at
right now.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You mentioned year two guys, and I think of Chris
Jenkins and McKinley Jackson, and I think and again, I'm
looking at what some of the answers were to your
question last week, Thursday or Friday whenever that was. I
agree with those who think it's gonna be interesting just
to hear and see and follow what the rotation looks
like on the defensive line. Who can do what a
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defensive tackle and what that unit's gonna look like. Understanding
that on the edge. There's no Chamar and Trey who
I'm not supposed to mention the segment.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I'm not supposed to mention them yet.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You know, the the year two of Chris Jenkins is
such a massive variable here because you know, they just
don't they don't have it. They don't have somebody who
you really you know, bj Hill, we know what he is, okay,
and that's fine, and I like the Slaton ad like
it's fine. I like those those those pieces. But they
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need another guy and we just don't know if Chris
Jenkins is gonna be another guy.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I just wee.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
There's there's hope, there's belief, and you know it would
you know, follow a standard career arc if he became
a guy this year, a second round pick. You know,
you don't have to be great a rookie. You can
you can take a step in year or two at
that position. It happens, right like, It's not like that's
something that would be. But there's plenty of, you know,
(12:09):
examples of a guy who doesn't quite do much as.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
A rookie and then it just kind of fades away.
And that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
They can't afford that because they didn't really bring in
anything to as an insurance policy despite the Haven Brian
and McTelvin agent stuff that was for the back of
the roster, you know, and maybe maybe it happens, but
they they really it changes the entire dynamic of this defense.
If they can get him to play up to the
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pedigree and the guy they thought they were getting.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, I just think of last year's class. We're all
high on a Marius Mems. Jermaine Burton has to play
himself out of the doghouse, Eric All Unfortunately, I hope
that kid plays football again. The odds don't seem like
they're in his favor. There are two players that I
feel like, how we look at that class is going
to hinge on and they both played the same position.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah, one of those guys to work out. You need
one of those guys to work out. Yeah, And and
we'll see if it does. And that's you know, there's
a there's it's a fine line between faith in your
picks and reckless and I feel like Duke Tobin is
riding it there, you know, Like there's we've talked about
the big bet on Al gold in a lot. It's
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it just continues to come back over and over again.
When we now get into this camp like this is
this is where you're gonna learn how your BET's looking.
You know, are you're gonna hit the cash out button?
Do you need to rebuy? Because if you get into
midway through camp and the nine top one hundred picks
that they have that are gonna be a huge part
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of this defense, all are kind of yeah, looking like
they're middling again, or you're seeing issues or or injury.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Stuff props up again.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
With some of these guys, you start to say, man,
this was why you didn't want to make this bet.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
They believe in those guys and and you know, we'll
see how it goes, but we're going to start learning
real quick about the status.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Of that bet.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I need you when we come back to look ahead
to one year from now, plus, we have to talk
about he's still here. Okay, let's assume we're still here. Yes,
one year from now, suite, we're still here. Do you
know something I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I don't know. It's always a chance, Okay, I guess,
so you never know. Man, I want you to.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I want you to flash forward, fast forward ahead a
year and I well, I'll make that make sense coming
up after the break, and we have to talk about
the battle for the third quarterback spot, which I think
should already be decided. And then at three thirty five
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is here till four. Tony Remo Training Camp Show Tomorrow
morning ten am, broadcasting from Bengals training camp with the
normal noon to six schedule on this radio station completely
and totally unchanged.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I assume we're going to ask you to join us
for some of that. I don't know how or when
or what that shit.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Should Does that mean I should save my moegerwarding handicapping?
I just I just used your pen and paper and
everything to line up my odds.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah for it this year.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So you've handicapped the race to win the Moeger Award, Yes,
the Mugger Show Award.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You know what the thing is just yours is mind.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Nobody else cares at all. All right, this is for
the wide receiver who emerges from the shadows to become
the talk of camp.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Can shut this for me? All right, I'm going there's quickly.
Not to interrupt you. Let's talk about who's not eligible
the top I'm putting none of the top five. So
Chase Higgins is not going to be part of this.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yoshah, Burton and Jones are not part of this. I
don't think we can people that have already been there,
We've seen them like that. So you there are a
ton of these young guys and this is it could
be anyone.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
But I see a I see a tear here.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Okay, okay, I'm gonna go Isaiah Williams at plus two hundred. Right,
a little got a little run last year, got some love,
made an impression. I think he's gonna get some opportunity,
might even catch some balls from Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Get him talking a little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Then you if you get people start talking about that city,
are they gonna keep a sixth or seventh through?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's how you win that award.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Right, So I'm gonna put him at the top because
I think he has the best chance of actually sneaking in.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Okay, Now I think highlights though.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Jordan Moore, Okay, okay, kid from Duke, I think there's
a I think he has a chance to get the
viral highlight. It has the people calling in, what about
Jordan Moore who doesn't want more Duke receivers? And there
you go. Okay, Then I think it's a drop. Then
there's a lot of there's a lot of it's gonna
take something talking value here, now, value down here, Mitchell Tinsley,
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I got a plus five hundred. Okay, I got my guy,
the guy Sudney Courtland Cole Burgess. He is my guy.
I wrote about him last year, The Pride of Sydney Courtland.
Sudney Courtland, I think is where Allen Cutler went to college.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's where Dan Pitcher went to college. Yeah, but Dan
Pitcher is not obnoxious, like cog is not obnoxious. Cole
Burgess is a great kid.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
He's stuck around now for a second camp, and I'm
just gonna keep staying on because I like him. Uh So,
then Rashad owns a plus eight hundred and then Kendrick
Pryor all the way back in a plus one thousand,
who he may be the best receiver on among the group.
But when you've been around and eligible for the Moegger
Award too many times, yeah, it's hard to then like
you're not gonna have like the the breakthrough in year three.
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He was a very serious He may have even won it.
I don't know if he won it, but he was
definitely in the mix when it was like you got
to keep Kendrick por you can't expose him to waivers. Yeah, right,
but he's he's here. He might be the best receiver
of the bunch, but he's probably the least likely to
win your.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Sort of like being on the Bengals Ring of Honor ballot,
like the seventh time. Yeah, you know, it's just kind
of loses its fizzle. Yeah, a little bit for old Kendrick.
Should I get a orange, black or white Desmond Rider jersey?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Once he beats up? What's this other guy's name? Peyton Thorn?
Peyton Thorn?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, once Doz just torches him and throws like
eight touchdown passes in the three preseason games, and you know,
generate some real.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Buzz about you know, you know they did they overpay
for Burrow because you know, I'm stoked.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm excited that des Ridder has a chance to stay
in the NFL with the team that I root for.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I did make sure to ask specifically if there is
any shot of Desmond Ridder thrown in Jake Browning. It
took approximately one point two seconds for Dan Pitcher to say,
Jake is the backup and should be No, No, I know,
I'm just you know, just make sure we're all everyone's
on the same page here. You know, get black, It
doesn't I mean, shouldn't you get the color that coincides
(19:35):
with the UC color? If you look, you can crossover
or is that not important to you? That's I don't
own a Bengals jersey. Okay, I've owned one in my
life and I lost it. I feel like you could
have a you have a better chance of wearing a
black Bengals Desmond Ridder jersey to a UC event. Yeah,
and getting away with it rather than like orange or
(19:56):
something like that. So I don't know, I mean, am
I wrong?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
No is?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I'm just thinking about you coordinating with the color of
the crowd, which I know is important.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It is.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I might make it a pole question. I'm leaning white, Okay.
I think white jerseys. You know, in the wintertime, I
wear blue jeans. I think white with the blue jeans
looks good. But the black jerseys are cool.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, So how often how often you playing on sporting?
This a couple of games?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I love it, really, I'm just gonna do it to
make people mad.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Really, you don't get a burrow. No, everybody else is
a burrow. I want a doz. Has Desmond approached Joe
about taking number nine? There is there amount of money
that can be exchanged.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So I tweeted about this and and I got some pushback,
but you get pushback on Twitter for anything.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
But I got some pushback and it was great.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
They're doing this instead of you know, getting a corner
or safety or a guard like you you're allowed to do,
You're allowed to do more than one thing. And you
know they've had four quarterbacks in camp before. It is
it's okay. Like if des Ridder has to play, God
love them, they're screwed. So like, can we just have
something that's like it's kind of neat He played at UCEE.
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Now he's a Bengal.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Sure the word the phrase net positive was used about.
I think, you know, just his personality, his likabilities, leadership
stuff is good for a scout team, for the room,
you know what I mean, all of that stuff, and
he's a good story here. I just think that, you know,
you just look for something new and hope that that
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can be something that helps the room as a whole.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And the people who are gonna tell me I'm stupid
for getting a des Ritter jersey probably just got rid
of their aj mccaron jerseys, so you know, it might
still have them hoping he somehow Someway comes back again.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I still have a soft spot for for aj Id to.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I have one more question before we talk about the
elephants in the room. Evan McPherson stunk last year? Can
we see things in tree? And when I say stunk,
like he was just another kicker by his own style,
he is no saying he wasn't a weapon. Field goals
from forty beyond, he was six of twelve. Evan McPherson
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was drafted and invested in because he's different, because he's
a weapon. We might not get this answer during training camp,
but I think it's like, you know, everybody has, like
here's the storyline nobody's talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
That's one for me. Yeah, we did. We did a
draft of the most interesting players on the pot a
couple of weeks ago. Is myself and Charlie Goldsmith and
Jeremi Rout Fox nineteen and Jeremy had the first pick
and he picked Evan McPherson and we sort of laughed
about it a little bit. Yeah, because he wasn't really
on our board. But it wasn't because he's not interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, I mean that to me.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
The interesting element of this is what is the conversation
like in.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Week seven, if his first seven weeks looked like last year,
at what point?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
At what point do they start to say we need
to win games if it cost you another game or
two and he's fifty percent from forty plus, and it
seems to be a lot of the same stuff. And
he's now had this same operation for a couple of years.
You know, I just wonder at what point they are
willing to start having those conversations, especially you know, after
(23:19):
having gone through the K York experience last year. I mean,
that's what that looks like when you start considering other things.
So that's interesting to me. But I you know, everything
that we know about it is they want to get
more consistency and trust between all three pieces, and that
that is as much a part of this equation as
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it is anything that Evan was doing. But Evan has
to be able to be the one to develop that trust.
It's it's his confidence in the way he's hitting the
ball that matters, no matter what's happening in front of him.
Now do we do have we do have a long
snapper competition, I know, so I'm very excited about this.
I'm gone judging spin ray, It's an accuracy, and I'm
(24:03):
excited about you know, the the dumber. You're gonna be
spending a lot of time. You got a lot of
time to kill. Okay, You're gonna be like, can we
get our booth moved in front of the special teams
field so I can get a better look at cal
Adamitas's So I'm just saying that is important. Yeah, sure,
and and that is I think a big part of
this is just the time on task found out he
(24:25):
apparently had an ankle injury and he's what shit we
didn't know about But he's fine, I guess now, at
least according to Darren Simmons yesterday. But that is the
question for me is what happens how far into the
season does it have to look like last year until
they start looking around and saying, what are the.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
As upright in Cleveland? When it gets done wobbling after
he hits one off of it in week one, there's
your answer. You know, if I'm you know recycling the
you know money mac is now bitcoin Mac, then there
we are week one.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It was a good joke. Though, it was a good joke. Yeah,
you had a good run of it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I still need you to predict the future. But now
is the part of the show where we have to
talk about Shamar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson, Okay, and mock
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The Athletic was yesterday the most eventful mock turtlesup day ever.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I don't know about eventful.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I would say the twenty eleven Carson Palmers stand off
Carol Soup is probably the most eventful, with the most
kind of fireworks that we've that we've had, but this
was one of the spiciest. Okay, Duke Tobin was just
suffering no fools yesterday. He just he had a message
(27:43):
to get across and he sent it, and he sent
it was no, no, he didn't want any You know,
they have essentially sat on their side of the story
throughout this whole thing. They've they've never themselves gone public,
They've never gone out there, and meanwhile just get crushed
because you know, so much of the other side has,
(28:06):
whether it's Shamar and the locker room or his agent,
has gone on and talked to a lot of people,
and it ends up in all those NFL media circles
have had plenty of opportunity to put their side out.
So he wanted to be very clear obviously about their
feelings about what is actually happening.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Here, and.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The message was we have zero problem with Shamar. We
have every problem with his representation, and that is how
we feel about it, which is an understandable take in
regards to how do we salvage this. We got to
make sure Schamar knows we have love for him and
believe in him, while also directing what's happening here we
(28:48):
feel is idiotic. And so they take aim at the
agent and you can be on whatever side you want
to with that. That was their message. It was abundantly clear.
They wanted that to be their message, and they repeated
it at every pod they went through, and when the TV,
and with the writers and with everywhere they went. That
was it, and I think it was delivered loud and clear.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
How does this get resolved without either Schamar telling his
agent let's cave I'm going to sign, or him changing
agents entirely.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I think those are the only two ways.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I think it inevitably lands at Shamar Stewart's feet. I mean,
the agent works for him, and if he wants to
play football in Cincinnati, if that matters to him, you know,
I think it's pretty clear right now that the two sides,
the alleged adults in the room here above him, the
(29:47):
two sides responsible for him playing are not going to
agree and appear very far apart on this inane language
that is probably not gonna even matter. So if that
you have to decide at a certain point, you have
to you have to grow up and say what do
I want to do to start my career? Do I
(30:09):
want to go full blow it up? Do I want
to go full nuclear here? Or do I want to
play football? Does playing football matter to me? And he's
going to have to make that decision. It doesn't seem
like either side that is involved with him is going
to figure out and you know, a middle ground here,
and so I don't see I don't see many other
(30:31):
options other than Shamar standing up and saying all right enough, I.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Want to play.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Is there a valid criticism that the Bengals should have
done a better job knowing which agent they would be
working with.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I think they should have done a better job vetting
Schamar as a whole. I mean, no top thirty. You know,
we've that's been That's not really ever been the case
with them. I think a lot of you know, I
talked to Mike Elcho a couple of days ago at
you know, it's like that's not the depth that you're
used to here with a PIX when you can usually
(31:08):
narrow down pretty well. You think you're gonna get the
agent's a part of that, but honestly, not in anyone's
wildest dreams. Do you think that a first round slotted
contract is really gonna be a problem for anybody with
any agent.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think they.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Bring David willlegeta back. This isn't a problem. Yeah, right,
Like it's just line it up, knock it down. That's
the way. It's always been a worst case scenario. You're,
you know, talking about this a week in the camp,
like for it to feel and look like this over this,
no matter who it is, you never could have anticipated
(31:48):
it to be this silly.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I guess, to quote what Mike Brown said yesterday.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Then there's Trey Hendrickson who put on Instagram this morning
a picture of him driving in Florida.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, which was interesting. I guess can we talk more
about what you then put on.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
The way so he For those who are not on Twitter,
the or Instagram, I guess the picture that he took
the way the trees set up on the highway that
he was on it looked like a It looked like
the state of Ohio. And I noticed that, and I
decided to make a little map, and I put little
(32:25):
dots where Cincinnati, dayon, Columbus, Cleveland, and Toledo art no
knock on Finley or.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Zanesville or Portsmouth or Hillsboro.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I just I went with those five cities, hoping everybody
would just get a chuckle out of it because it
looks like the state of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Was that really his subconscious message that I'm in Florida
but I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Driving could have been Ohio.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Could have been Now I need to point this out
that ten minutes before my little Joe Kelly Rippin at
Channel five tweeted out something similar.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh so you look like you totally stole it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
She she has like an important job doing the news
in the morning. She's a real journalist. I am just
a guy sitting at his keyboard at my house. So
I had a little bit more time to draw up
a map. She probably would have been able to do
that had she not been, you know, reporting the news. Yeah,
so she did say to me, She's like, I beat
you to that joke, and not what she said, but
like I had ten minutes before we both think, I'm like, fine, whatever,
(33:19):
but I thought it was funny, nice to think about
the Trey Hendrickson thing. And it's it's frustrating, but it's also,
I guess amusing. We knew this was gonna be the
outcome in December. We knew this was gonna be the
training camp Eve outcome before last season even ended.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And and we know what it's probably gonna look like.
We've been calling what this is gonna look like for months. Yes,
it's gonna be. You know, I had to. I had
to take the time to specifically remind everyone today, like,
let's go through the last five years here, Okay, this
is what it's been. We go through Joe Mixing in
twenty twenty up until September, we had two years of
(33:58):
Jesse Bates drama. One where he was like on the
team live stream in the press conference taking shots. In
the next year, he's he didn't show up on the
tag when he's gonna sign the tag, he's in the suite.
Right that distraction, we get into the Burrow years, right
the Borough year where he signs at the Thursday kickoff game.
Last year with Jamar and t and spliced in between
(34:20):
that were other smaller things this year Hendrickson and Stewart
like this is I mean, Mike Brown said it yesterday
talking about it's like this is just kind of the
way the system is.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well, it is here here, this is the system.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
One of these things always exists, and I don't, like,
I have some doubts and I push back a little
bit on the idea that this is connected directly to
their slow starts in some cases, yeah, like not totally though,
Like I I give you know.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Joe Burrow's been dealing with stuff and that's why they
like that start.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Joe Burrows slow starts, and in the history of of
what's going on there leading into season, to me, is
like ninety percent of this distract Last year, I think
you could say the New England game and that Tea
injury and jam are not having practiced, and obviously along
with burrows wrist played into one thing. But like, there's
not a ton of examples where I feel like that's
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just in fact, of all those players I just mentioned,
most of them had really good seasons and so it's
it's not always the case. It can be, and we
saw last year was the most impactful because of the
kind of just disjointed nature of the entire operation.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Necessarily think, and especially here, this is the Trey Hendrickson experience.
This is Trey has always had problems with his contract
this time of year. Well, I mean, and I don't
mean that in life flippantly like it's just true. He
has Trey Henderson gets sacks and is mad about his contract.
That's what his that's what he is, and that's where
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they're at with it again. And so I don't think
that that, you know, distracts people. I think if the
Bengals show up, regardless of what happens to Shamar Suit
and Trey Hendrickson, the Bengals show up with a fully
healthy and engaged Big three in Cleveland, they're winning that game.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Burrow, Chase and Ritter.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
That's right, I was, Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
Just let ridder eat, just let Ridterer eat. Sure, I
agree wholeheartedly. Yeah, here's what I want to know a
year from now. Which player are we talking about holding out?
Who's the guy Chase Brown? Yeah, it feels like the
most likely O. That's probably strong.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Okay, who is the player that we spend all off
season discussing their contract status.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Chase Brown, I think you know I've told everybody Chase.
I think Chase Brown's kind of a monster year.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He'll be up.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Kyen Williams is going through this right now with the
Rams like he's gonna rapport.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
He's gonna rapport.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
He still wants his money, and running backs especially know
they need to be aggressive early to try to get
their value. It'll be the first time for him to
possibly get an extension if he's coming off some massive
year and on an offense where all these guys got paid.
He has a right to say, and that's gonna be
probably a tough spot to be going from. But to me,
that's one that certainly stands out when you look at
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the eligibility in that draft class.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Also, we found out yesterday that Mike Brown is not
worth four billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I enjoyed that moment.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I see, this is this is why I can't do
what you guys do, because then I would go three, how.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Much are you worthing two and a half. It's gonna
be higher or lower?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Am I hot? My cold one? Like I would want
to if you say I'm not worth four billion dollars.
How is the next question not how much are you worth?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Are you worth? Right now?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Somebody says I'm not worth a million dollars, then I
don't care, okay, But if you say I'm not worth
four billion dollars, I have to know, like, all right, well,
is how much are we subtracting before we get to
where you are?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Mike?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, that's how do you drop the I'm not worth
four billion dollars?
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Man?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
How do you get by? How do you get by?
It's tough, tough one. Yeah, you gotta cut corners. I
thought there was.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
I actually I actually thought that was a really one
of the more interesting comments that I don't really know
what to do with. Yes, was him talking about how
I'm not I'm not in this to maximize profit. Yeah,
and you know this is when we talk so often
about the way the league is different with all these
(38:31):
new owners, Like, that's exactly what he's talking about.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
He's not out there trying to do that. Now.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
The point would be you should be trying to maximize
profits so you can pour it back into the team. Yes,
obvious is the is sort of the the other side
of that coin. But there's something adorable. It is not
that's not the right word. There's something nice about I
guess that concept. I think it's it's meant to be humble.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
That's the most humbled. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I'm not worth billion dollars. Oh, more like a two
six okay.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Your w two though, looks a lot different than mine though, right,
I mean yeah, your your tax time is a little
bit different from you than me.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
We know the check the NFL cuts and I still
have sweets brown and I have that in common. Neither
one of us are worth four billion dollars. Yes, all right?
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
The Growler podcast, Yeah, and you did one today with
Jay and then I popped on for a while and
that was fun. And then the crossover episode. And I
mentioned this on air yesterday because I really thoroughly enjoyed
Zach Taylor talking with you and Charlie and Brian Geese's
log about Red's Baseball and his experiences with his son
and the sport of baseball.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
That was that was top notch. That was really good. Thanks.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, I thought it was. I mean, you don't it was.
It was the last chance to kind of do something
a little different. Uh, And I like, I like anytime
I can get somebody to that. You hear a lot
things you don't hear them asked about a lot, and
you know, credit to Brian and Charlie kind of cooked
up the idea and we were able to kind of
turn it into something that was fun. And is that
(40:10):
throwing some questions at Charlie checks He was throwing some
questions at Charlie, which I appreciate. It got him, I
mean caught him off guard. He was not ready for that. Yeah,
I like that. We're back Thursday night. Well, we have
our Jay and I are doing our training camp wrap
ups on the YouTube channel after every camp practice, but
Thursday night, who day Nights is back. Yes, it'll be
the it'll be a four box myself, Charlie, j Mark
(40:32):
Challafu kind of wrap it. First two days of camp
are always very eventful, So we'll be live on the
YouTube channel and X at eight thirty on Thursday night
kind of going through a lot of the stuff from
the week and we'll have those periodically going on. But
make sure you're subscribed to the YouTube channel because we'll
be sending out those recaps every day night.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
You have that and the Athletic dot Com as well.
Follow Paul on x at Paul Danner Junior awesome as always.
We'll see, We'll see tomorrow. I cannot wait to see
how you're gonna do it. Why I might bring an
extra stool just to make sure you're taking care of
I'm going something to sit on if you need me.
Fair enough, We're excited, you need Thank the Bengals for
(41:11):
letting us come down there and wait. It's gonna be fun.
It's gonna be different, all right, Paul Danner Junior. Check
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here from The Athletic and The Growler podcast and obviously
was not listening yesterday. He was busy at Mock Turtle
Soup when I spent two minutes talking about how awesome
the crossover episode was Zach Taylor Power Stack Podcast, The
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Growler Zach talking about the Reds. I had a sense
Zach talking about the Reds was a respite from him
having to answer weeks were the questions about Trey Hendrickson
and Shamar Stewart coming up?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Has ever signed up to do a podcast with me? Quicker?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
When I was like, here's the concept you don't talk
about the Bengals for one interview, He's like, when can
I do it? Line it up? And it was phenomenal.
I'm sure he was extra happy to do it, and
I enjoyed it. I believe in giving the people what
they want. I saw this, and so you and I
are here for an hour.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Now. We would be remiss if we spent the entire
hour and didn't talk about Trey Hendrickson, who did not
report to Bengals training camp today and Shamar Stewart who
hasn't reported yet either. So we're gonna talk about that.
But I left it up to the audience. I left
it up to people on Twitter, what do you want us.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
To start with?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And the idea is, if you want us to start
with Shamar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson, fine, we'll do it.
And if you want us to wait and start with
like everybody else and all the other storylines and there's
a bunch, we'll.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Do that too.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And then we'll tell you if if we start with
all the other stuff in about a half hour, we're
gonna have to do Trey and Schamar, and that's your
chance to you know, go away for a while and
then hopefully at some point come back.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I saw the.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Poll that you posted, and I was quick to vote
and then see if I could create more social media
addresses to continue to vote.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
In what direction I was I would I'm fine with
where we end up. The number fifty.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Nine point one percent say start the show, do the
first two segments on everything else.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, I thought everything else would win. I didn't think
it would be quite that decisive. People are so over it.
So but aren't they?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And how could you not be? But we're not going
to talk about it. We're not. Now. That's about thirty
minutes save that.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
This is like the day last week or I think
about a week more than one week go now where
I tried to turn my podcast into a Shamar Stewart
free zone and.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It lasted one day.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I really tried, like it was an earnest attempt, like
I think I'm gonna do this, and then I just
you can't, You just you just can't. But I tried
and and failed. But I'm ready for what we're ever
doing right now. So let's preview training camp, which may
do it. Let's talk about the players who are there.
How many jobs starting tomorrow are legitimately up for grabs,
(03:11):
starting gigs. Starting gigs are just roster spots. I mean,
not a ton. I think the back of the roster.
We get too into the back of the roster. Probably
there's some spots there.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But and by the way, we're going to today with
the battle for the third quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Spot, well of course coming up in a bit, of course,
have you got a jersey yet?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
That's one of my questions for you.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Okay, sorry, sorry, I didn't even take that off your list. No,
I think I think there's some. There's always some. I
think there's opportunity. But you don't you know, you have
a small number of draft picks. You have a lot
of turnover, you know. I remember writing last year about
how many rookies and undrafted rookies that they had taking snaps,
(03:59):
meaningful snaps, and how many of them cause losses, right
like that was a big part of the really an
undercurrent of last year's failures, with so many of those
big moments where Ryan Rico trying to get a hold
down Dejon Anthony and Kansas City. Like some of these
late picks, undrafted guys that had mistakes, you have them
(04:19):
in their second year. So it's more about because you
have a small draft class. To me, it's more about
a lot of the leap guys, the year two leap
potential guys than it is necessarily about this year's rookie class.
I have a pretty good feel for where this year's
rookie class plots, those that show up and what that's
(04:42):
gonna look like. But I think the bigger question is
when you get into some of the people that started
making an impact from the back half of last year's
draft class, can't Will they fall off and be forgotten? Okay,
you had your chance, or is there that progu and
where does that come from? And that can go a
(05:02):
long way to defining I think some of the back
of this roster in terms of what it looks like,
the starting gut jobs. I mean, Jay and I did
this on the podcast today. There's not a ton of
stuff up for grabs. I mean that both guard spots
we know, but I mean they have cleared the deck
for Dylan Fairchild. They're gonna give him every opportunity. It's
(05:22):
whether he can do it or not. They like what
they've seen from him, but he's never put professional pads
on before, and so we'll see what that looks like
Cordell Wilson is there to push him at the other
guard spot or at that guard spot, and then they're
leaving the other side to the two vets to kind
of duke it out between Cody Ford and Lucas Patrick
and then the others. If they can prove something could
maybe enter the mix. But for the most part, they've
(05:45):
kind of siloed those two off and to simplify those
battles a little bit. Outside of that, I mean, you've
got a bunch of guys that are gonna try it
again the same thing. These second year guys, they're going
to try to ascend at different spots, but it feels
like they really have a pretty you have a pretty
good feel of the.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
To the too deep at this point. Are you doing
a roster projection here? Yeah? At the outset of camp. Yes,
it's running tomorrow morning. I'm mostly done with it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Can we spoil running back? Are they going to carry
for Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think so. Yeah. Well, the variable.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
There is to me is Zach Moss in terms of
how healthy he looks, how healthy he plays. Did his
injury affect anything about his game? We don't really know that.
You come back from a next thing and there's a
lot of confidence in that, but you don't know until
you get out there and do it and what like,
(06:44):
what is his role even if he is Yeah, I
feel like we know Samaj.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
That's what I've been trying to wrap my brain around.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Like, I just think he's just there in case, which
is good, Like you need that and Taj Brooks being
more of the upside development.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Will see what he looks like in all these preseason games.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Guy, if he's really great, maybe there is a potential
for them to only carry three and do something extra elsewhere.
I just think I like. I think they like under
the assumption that Zach Moss is healthy and looks similar
to the player that he was last year. He's a
nice rotational running back to have in your mix. And
(07:23):
they like the setup of that room with four and
it makes sense with their roster.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Construction right now.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You were asking folks on the Growler Podcast's social media feed,
you know last week, things that are interesting about Camp
that have nothing to do with contracts. And I didn't
see what everybody responded, but I saw there were folks
who chimed in with wide receiver three understanding Gasiki is
the third wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Is that battle.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Underneath him as interesting or as wide open as many
seem to.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Think it is not interesting? Yeah, I don't think I don't.
I think it's that we've we've you know, sort of
plotted this out. They have a top four and I
think there is a significant tier drop after that. You
have Gisiki and Yobash behind uh, you know, Chase in
(08:17):
Higgins and that's your four pass catchers. And then and
then it's hey, what do you guys got? Can can
you be something? We heard again?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Show Award?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Moegar Show Award? There are so many candidates for the
Moeger Show Award this year, and you're gonna be there, yes,
to take in everyone. Seven guys that are basically undrafted rookies.
I mean they're all Moeger Show. Can we handicap it?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
At the break, I'm going to handicap the Moeger Show Award.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Those who don't know, it's the wide receiver that kind
of emerges from nowhere, becomes a little.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Bit of a favorite generate some buzz light.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
We start talking I tweets some highlights and then we
started talking about like, you know what this guy here
tell you what jamar Che should be looking over his shoulder,
you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
That's how silly it gets.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yes, but I think that those four again yesterday though
we get another look. I'm hopeful on Jermaine Burton from
Dan Pitchers, and I appreciate that, of course, but he's
sort of laying down that you have to do this
every couple of weeks. You have to do these mile
posts where you just say, okay, still doing the right things.
(09:30):
Still showed up and it was funny, you know. Pitch
was talking about it and said exactly that, like, you know,
he has to be where he's supposed to be when
it's time to be there.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He was thinking.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
He was talking along the lines of on the field,
and we all started chuckling, and he was like, I know,
you laugh, but like, yes, obviously he has to show
up and all of that, obviously, but that's also on
the field, and he's right now. I feel like he
has come in and mentally picked up what he needs
to be picking up. Is in the right place, is
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doing all of those things, and that's a big deal
considering where we were last year. The other part that
he added on to it was like here's the thing, though,
he's gonna get a ton of reps this preseason. He's
gonna play, I mean, he is gonna play a lot.
They're gonna put him to the test, good as you should. Good,
go out there, prove you can run the right route
(10:24):
and be in the right place and do the right
thing for three games and some practices and do all
that right and that, you know, it opens the door.
They're laying out the red carpet for a path to
being a part of this team. And that's something considering
where we were at. And so we'll see if he
can do it. But they're you know, another sort of
(10:46):
you know, stamp of approve on where he's currently at
right now.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You mentioned year two guys, and I think of Chris
Jenkins and McKinley Jackson, and I think and again, I'm
looking at what some of the answers were to your
question last week, Thursday or Friday whenever that was. I
agree with those who think it's gonna be interesting just
to hear and see and follow what the rotation looks
like on the defensive line. Who can do what a
(11:10):
defensive tackle and what that unit's gonna look like. Understanding
that on the edge. There's no Chamar and Trey who
I'm not supposed to mention the segment.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I'm not supposed to mention them yet.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You know, the the year two of Chris Jenkins is
such a massive variable here because you know, they just
don't they don't have it. They don't have somebody who
you really you know, bj Hill, we know what he is, okay,
and that's fine, and I like the Slaton ad like
it's fine. I like those those those pieces. But they
(11:41):
need another guy and we just don't know if Chris
Jenkins is gonna be another guy.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I just wee.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
There's there's hope, there's belief, and you know it would
you know, follow a standard career arc if he became
a guy this year, a second round pick. You know,
you don't have to be great a rookie. You can
you can take a step in year or two at
that position. It happens, right like, It's not like that's
something that would be. But there's plenty of, you know,
(12:09):
examples of a guy who doesn't quite do much as.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
A rookie and then it just kind of fades away.
And that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
They can't afford that because they didn't really bring in
anything to as an insurance policy despite the Haven Brian
and McTelvin agent stuff that was for the back of
the roster, you know, and maybe maybe it happens, but
they they really it changes the entire dynamic of this defense.
If they can get him to play up to the
(12:37):
pedigree and the guy they thought they were getting.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, I just think of last year's class. We're all
high on a Marius Mems. Jermaine Burton has to play
himself out of the doghouse, Eric All Unfortunately, I hope
that kid plays football again. The odds don't seem like
they're in his favor. There are two players that I
feel like, how we look at that class is going
to hinge on and they both played the same position.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah, one of those guys to work out. You need
one of those guys to work out. Yeah, And and
we'll see if it does. And that's you know, there's
a there's it's a fine line between faith in your
picks and reckless and I feel like Duke Tobin is
riding it there, you know, Like there's we've talked about
the big bet on Al gold in a lot. It's
(13:20):
it just continues to come back over and over again.
When we now get into this camp like this is
this is where you're gonna learn how your BET's looking.
You know, are you're gonna hit the cash out button?
Do you need to rebuy? Because if you get into
midway through camp and the nine top one hundred picks
that they have that are gonna be a huge part
(13:43):
of this defense, all are kind of yeah, looking like
they're middling again, or you're seeing issues or or injury.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Stuff props up again.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
With some of these guys, you start to say, man,
this was why you didn't want to make this bet.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
They believe in those guys and and you know, we'll
see how it goes, but we're going to start learning
real quick about the status.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Of that bet.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I need you when we come back to look ahead
to one year from now, plus, we have to talk
about he's still here. Okay, let's assume we're still here. Yes,
one year from now, suite, we're still here. Do you
know something I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I don't know. It's always a chance, Okay, I guess,
so you never know. Man, I want you to.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I want you to flash forward, fast forward ahead a
year and I well, I'll make that make sense coming
up after the break, and we have to talk about
the battle for the third quarterback spot, which I think
should already be decided. And then at three thirty five
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Speaker 2 (15:22):
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is here till four. Tony Remo Training Camp Show Tomorrow
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normal noon to six schedule on this radio station completely
and totally unchanged.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
I assume we're going to ask you to join us
for some of that. I don't know how or when
or what that shit.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Should Does that mean I should save my moegerwarding handicapping?
I just I just used your pen and paper and
everything to line up my odds.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah for it this year.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So you've handicapped the race to win the Moeger Award, Yes,
the Mugger Show Award.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You know what the thing is just yours is mind.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Nobody else cares at all. All right, this is for
the wide receiver who emerges from the shadows to become
the talk of camp.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Can shut this for me? All right, I'm going there's quickly.
Not to interrupt you. Let's talk about who's not eligible
the top I'm putting none of the top five. So
Chase Higgins is not going to be part of this.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yoshah, Burton and Jones are not part of this. I
don't think we can people that have already been there,
We've seen them like that. So you there are a
ton of these young guys and this is it could
be anyone.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
But I see a I see a tear here.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Okay, okay, I'm gonna go Isaiah Williams at plus two hundred. Right,
a little got a little run last year, got some love,
made an impression. I think he's gonna get some opportunity,
might even catch some balls from Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Get him talking a little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Then you if you get people start talking about that city,
are they gonna keep a sixth or seventh through?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's how you win that award.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Right, So I'm gonna put him at the top because
I think he has the best chance of actually sneaking in.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Okay, Now I think highlights though.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Jordan Moore, Okay, okay, kid from Duke, I think there's
a I think he has a chance to get the
viral highlight. It has the people calling in, what about
Jordan Moore who doesn't want more Duke receivers? And there
you go. Okay, Then I think it's a drop. Then
there's a lot of there's a lot of it's gonna
take something talking value here, now, value down here, Mitchell Tinsley,
(17:31):
I got a plus five hundred. Okay, I got my guy,
the guy Sudney Courtland Cole Burgess. He is my guy.
I wrote about him last year, The Pride of Sydney Courtland.
Sudney Courtland, I think is where Allen Cutler went to college.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's where Dan Pitcher went to college. Yeah, but Dan
Pitcher is not obnoxious, like cog is not obnoxious. Cole
Burgess is a great kid.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
He's stuck around now for a second camp, and I'm
just gonna keep staying on because I like him. Uh So,
then Rashad owns a plus eight hundred and then Kendrick
Pryor all the way back in a plus one thousand,
who he may be the best receiver on among the group.
But when you've been around and eligible for the Moegger
Award too many times, yeah, it's hard to then like
you're not gonna have like the the breakthrough in year three.
(18:19):
He was a very serious He may have even won it.
I don't know if he won it, but he was
definitely in the mix when it was like you got
to keep Kendrick por you can't expose him to waivers. Yeah, right,
but he's he's here. He might be the best receiver
of the bunch, but he's probably the least likely to
win your.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Sort of like being on the Bengals Ring of Honor ballot,
like the seventh time. Yeah, you know, it's just kind
of loses its fizzle. Yeah, a little bit for old Kendrick.
Should I get a orange, black or white Desmond Rider jersey?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Once he beats up? What's this other guy's name? Peyton Thorn?
Peyton Thorn?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, once Doz just torches him and throws like
eight touchdown passes in the three preseason games, and you know,
generate some real.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Buzz about you know, you know they did they overpay
for Burrow because you know, I'm stoked.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm excited that des Ridder has a chance to stay
in the NFL with the team that I root for.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I did make sure to ask specifically if there is
any shot of Desmond Ridder thrown in Jake Browning. It
took approximately one point two seconds for Dan Pitcher to say,
Jake is the backup and should be No, No, I know,
I'm just you know, just make sure we're all everyone's
on the same page here. You know, get black, It
doesn't I mean, shouldn't you get the color that coincides
(19:35):
with the UC color? If you look, you can crossover
or is that not important to you? That's I don't
own a Bengals jersey. Okay, I've owned one in my
life and I lost it. I feel like you could
have a you have a better chance of wearing a
black Bengals Desmond Ridder jersey to a UC event. Yeah,
and getting away with it rather than like orange or
(19:56):
something like that. So I don't know, I mean, am
I wrong?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
No is?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I'm just thinking about you coordinating with the color of
the crowd, which I know is important.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It is.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I might make it a pole question. I'm leaning white, Okay.
I think white jerseys. You know, in the wintertime, I
wear blue jeans. I think white with the blue jeans
looks good. But the black jerseys are cool.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, So how often how often you playing on sporting?
This a couple of games?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I love it, really, I'm just gonna do it to
make people mad.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Really, you don't get a burrow. No, everybody else is
a burrow. I want a doz. Has Desmond approached Joe
about taking number nine? There is there amount of money
that can be exchanged.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So I tweeted about this and and I got some pushback,
but you get pushback on Twitter for anything.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
But I got some pushback and it was great.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
They're doing this instead of you know, getting a corner
or safety or a guard like you you're allowed to do,
You're allowed to do more than one thing. And you
know they've had four quarterbacks in camp before. It is
it's okay. Like if des Ridder has to play, God
love them, they're screwed. So like, can we just have
something that's like it's kind of neat He played at UCEE.
(21:10):
Now he's a Bengal.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Sure the word the phrase net positive was used about.
I think, you know, just his personality, his likabilities, leadership
stuff is good for a scout team, for the room,
you know what I mean, all of that stuff, and
he's a good story here. I just think that, you know,
you just look for something new and hope that that
(21:31):
can be something that helps the room as a whole.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And the people who are gonna tell me I'm stupid
for getting a des Ritter jersey probably just got rid
of their aj mccaron jerseys, so you know, it might
still have them hoping he somehow Someway comes back again.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I still have a soft spot for for aj Id to.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I have one more question before we talk about the
elephants in the room. Evan McPherson stunk last year? Can
we see things in tree? And when I say stunk,
like he was just another kicker by his own style,
he is no saying he wasn't a weapon. Field goals
from forty beyond, he was six of twelve. Evan McPherson
(22:11):
was drafted and invested in because he's different, because he's
a weapon. We might not get this answer during training camp,
but I think it's like, you know, everybody has, like
here's the storyline nobody's talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
That's one for me. Yeah, we did. We did a
draft of the most interesting players on the pot a
couple of weeks ago. Is myself and Charlie Goldsmith and
Jeremi Rout Fox nineteen and Jeremy had the first pick
and he picked Evan McPherson and we sort of laughed
about it a little bit. Yeah, because he wasn't really
on our board. But it wasn't because he's not interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, I mean that to me.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
The interesting element of this is what is the conversation
like in.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Week seven, if his first seven weeks looked like last year,
at what point?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
At what point do they start to say we need
to win games if it cost you another game or
two and he's fifty percent from forty plus, and it
seems to be a lot of the same stuff. And
he's now had this same operation for a couple of years.
You know, I just wonder at what point they are
willing to start having those conversations, especially you know, after
(23:19):
having gone through the K York experience last year. I mean,
that's what that looks like when you start considering other things.
So that's interesting to me. But I you know, everything
that we know about it is they want to get
more consistency and trust between all three pieces, and that
that is as much a part of this equation as
(23:40):
it is anything that Evan was doing. But Evan has
to be able to be the one to develop that trust.
It's it's his confidence in the way he's hitting the
ball that matters, no matter what's happening in front of him.
Now do we do have we do have a long
snapper competition, I know, so I'm very excited about this.
I'm gone judging spin ray, It's an accuracy, and I'm
(24:03):
excited about you know, the the dumber. You're gonna be
spending a lot of time. You got a lot of
time to kill. Okay, You're gonna be like, can we
get our booth moved in front of the special teams
field so I can get a better look at cal
Adamitas's So I'm just saying that is important. Yeah, sure,
and and that is I think a big part of
this is just the time on task found out he
(24:25):
apparently had an ankle injury and he's what shit we
didn't know about But he's fine, I guess now, at
least according to Darren Simmons yesterday. But that is the
question for me is what happens how far into the
season does it have to look like last year until
they start looking around and saying, what are the.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
As upright in Cleveland? When it gets done wobbling after
he hits one off of it in week one, there's
your answer. You know, if I'm you know recycling the
you know money mac is now bitcoin Mac, then there
we are week one.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It was a good joke. Though, it was a good joke. Yeah,
you had a good run of it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I still need you to predict the future. But now
is the part of the show where we have to
talk about Shamar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson, Okay, and mock
turtleshoot that is next Paul Danner Juniors with us till
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I think you should continue.
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The Athletic was yesterday the most eventful mock turtlesup day ever.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I don't know about eventful.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I would say the twenty eleven Carson Palmers stand off
Carol Soup is probably the most eventful, with the most
kind of fireworks that we've that we've had, but this
was one of the spiciest. Okay, Duke Tobin was just
suffering no fools yesterday. He just he had a message
(27:43):
to get across and he sent it, and he sent
it was no, no, he didn't want any You know,
they have essentially sat on their side of the story
throughout this whole thing. They've they've never themselves gone public,
They've never gone out there, and meanwhile just get crushed
because you know, so much of the other side has,
(28:06):
whether it's Shamar and the locker room or his agent,
has gone on and talked to a lot of people,
and it ends up in all those NFL media circles
have had plenty of opportunity to put their side out.
So he wanted to be very clear obviously about their
feelings about what is actually happening.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Here, and.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The message was we have zero problem with Shamar. We
have every problem with his representation, and that is how
we feel about it, which is an understandable take in
regards to how do we salvage this. We got to
make sure Schamar knows we have love for him and
believe in him, while also directing what's happening here we
(28:48):
feel is idiotic. And so they take aim at the
agent and you can be on whatever side you want
to with that. That was their message. It was abundantly clear.
They wanted that to be their message, and they repeated
it at every pod they went through, and when the TV,
and with the writers and with everywhere they went. That
was it, and I think it was delivered loud and clear.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
How does this get resolved without either Schamar telling his
agent let's cave I'm going to sign, or him changing
agents entirely.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I think those are the only two ways.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I think it inevitably lands at Shamar Stewart's feet. I mean,
the agent works for him, and if he wants to
play football in Cincinnati, if that matters to him, you know,
I think it's pretty clear right now that the two sides,
the alleged adults in the room here above him, the
(29:47):
two sides responsible for him playing are not going to
agree and appear very far apart on this inane language
that is probably not gonna even matter. So if that
you have to decide at a certain point, you have
to you have to grow up and say what do
I want to do to start my career? Do I
(30:09):
want to go full blow it up? Do I want
to go full nuclear here? Or do I want to
play football? Does playing football matter to me? And he's
going to have to make that decision. It doesn't seem
like either side that is involved with him is going
to figure out and you know, a middle ground here,
and so I don't see I don't see many other
(30:31):
options other than Shamar standing up and saying all right enough, I.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Want to play.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Is there a valid criticism that the Bengals should have
done a better job knowing which agent they would be
working with.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I think they should have done a better job vetting
Schamar as a whole. I mean, no top thirty. You know,
we've that's been That's not really ever been the case
with them. I think a lot of you know, I
talked to Mike Elcho a couple of days ago at
you know, it's like that's not the depth that you're
used to here with a PIX when you can usually
(31:08):
narrow down pretty well. You think you're gonna get the
agent's a part of that, but honestly, not in anyone's
wildest dreams. Do you think that a first round slotted
contract is really gonna be a problem for anybody with
any agent.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think they.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Bring David willlegeta back. This isn't a problem. Yeah, right,
Like it's just line it up, knock it down. That's
the way. It's always been a worst case scenario. You're,
you know, talking about this a week in the camp,
like for it to feel and look like this over this,
no matter who it is, you never could have anticipated
(31:48):
it to be this silly.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I guess, to quote what Mike Brown said yesterday.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Then there's Trey Hendrickson who put on Instagram this morning
a picture of him driving in Florida.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, which was interesting. I guess can we talk more
about what you then put on.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
The way so he For those who are not on Twitter,
the or Instagram, I guess the picture that he took
the way the trees set up on the highway that
he was on it looked like a It looked like
the state of Ohio. And I noticed that, and I
decided to make a little map, and I put little
(32:25):
dots where Cincinnati, dayon, Columbus, Cleveland, and Toledo art no
knock on Finley or.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Zanesville or Portsmouth or Hillsboro.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I just I went with those five cities, hoping everybody
would just get a chuckle out of it because it
looks like the state of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Was that really his subconscious message that I'm in Florida
but I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Driving could have been Ohio.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Could have been Now I need to point this out
that ten minutes before my little Joe Kelly Rippin at
Channel five tweeted out something similar.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh so you look like you totally stole it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
She she has like an important job doing the news
in the morning. She's a real journalist. I am just
a guy sitting at his keyboard at my house. So
I had a little bit more time to draw up
a map. She probably would have been able to do
that had she not been, you know, reporting the news. Yeah,
so she did say to me, She's like, I beat
you to that joke, and not what she said, but
like I had ten minutes before we both think, I'm like, fine, whatever,
(33:19):
but I thought it was funny, nice to think about
the Trey Hendrickson thing. And it's it's frustrating, but it's also,
I guess amusing. We knew this was gonna be the
outcome in December. We knew this was gonna be the
training camp Eve outcome before last season even ended.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And and we know what it's probably gonna look like.
We've been calling what this is gonna look like for months. Yes,
it's gonna be. You know, I had to. I had
to take the time to specifically remind everyone today, like,
let's go through the last five years here, Okay, this
is what it's been. We go through Joe Mixing in
twenty twenty up until September, we had two years of
(33:58):
Jesse Bates drama. One where he was like on the
team live stream in the press conference taking shots. In
the next year, he's he didn't show up on the
tag when he's gonna sign the tag, he's in the suite.
Right that distraction, we get into the Burrow years, right
the Borough year where he signs at the Thursday kickoff game.
Last year with Jamar and t and spliced in between
(34:20):
that were other smaller things this year Hendrickson and Stewart
like this is I mean, Mike Brown said it yesterday
talking about it's like this is just kind of the
way the system is.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well, it is here here, this is the system.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
One of these things always exists, and I don't, like,
I have some doubts and I push back a little
bit on the idea that this is connected directly to
their slow starts in some cases, yeah, like not totally though,
Like I I give you know.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Joe Burrow's been dealing with stuff and that's why they
like that start.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Joe Burrows slow starts, and in the history of of
what's going on there leading into season, to me, is
like ninety percent of this distract Last year, I think
you could say the New England game and that Tea
injury and jam are not having practiced, and obviously along
with burrows wrist played into one thing. But like, there's
not a ton of examples where I feel like that's
(35:17):
just in fact, of all those players I just mentioned,
most of them had really good seasons and so it's
it's not always the case. It can be, and we
saw last year was the most impactful because of the
kind of just disjointed nature of the entire operation.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Necessarily think, and especially here, this is the Trey Hendrickson experience.
This is Trey has always had problems with his contract
this time of year. Well, I mean, and I don't
mean that in life flippantly like it's just true. He
has Trey Henderson gets sacks and is mad about his contract.
That's what his that's what he is, and that's where
(35:59):
they're at with it again. And so I don't think
that that, you know, distracts people. I think if the
Bengals show up, regardless of what happens to Shamar Suit
and Trey Hendrickson, the Bengals show up with a fully
healthy and engaged Big three in Cleveland, they're winning that game.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Burrow, Chase and Ritter.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
That's right, I was, Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
Just let ridder eat, just let Ridterer eat. Sure, I
agree wholeheartedly. Yeah, here's what I want to know a
year from now. Which player are we talking about holding out?
Who's the guy Chase Brown? Yeah, it feels like the
most likely O. That's probably strong.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Okay, who is the player that we spend all off
season discussing their contract status.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Chase Brown, I think you know I've told everybody Chase.
I think Chase Brown's kind of a monster year.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He'll be up.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Kyen Williams is going through this right now with the
Rams like he's gonna rapport.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
He's gonna rapport.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
He still wants his money, and running backs especially know
they need to be aggressive early to try to get
their value. It'll be the first time for him to
possibly get an extension if he's coming off some massive
year and on an offense where all these guys got paid.
He has a right to say, and that's gonna be
probably a tough spot to be going from. But to me,
that's one that certainly stands out when you look at
(37:16):
the eligibility in that draft class.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Also, we found out yesterday that Mike Brown is not
worth four billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I enjoyed that moment.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I see, this is this is why I can't do
what you guys do, because then I would go three, how.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Much are you worthing two and a half. It's gonna
be higher or lower?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Am I hot? My cold one? Like I would want
to if you say I'm not worth four billion dollars.
How is the next question not how much are you worth?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Are you worth? Right now?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Somebody says I'm not worth a million dollars, then I
don't care, okay, But if you say I'm not worth
four billion dollars, I have to know, like, all right, well,
is how much are we subtracting before we get to
where you are?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Mike?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, that's how do you drop the I'm not worth
four billion dollars?
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Man?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
How do you get by? How do you get by?
It's tough, tough one. Yeah, you gotta cut corners. I
thought there was.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
I actually I actually thought that was a really one
of the more interesting comments that I don't really know
what to do with. Yes, was him talking about how
I'm not I'm not in this to maximize profit. Yeah,
and you know this is when we talk so often
about the way the league is different with all these
(38:31):
new owners, Like, that's exactly what he's talking about.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
He's not out there trying to do that. Now.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
The point would be you should be trying to maximize
profits so you can pour it back into the team. Yes,
obvious is the is sort of the the other side
of that coin. But there's something adorable. It is not
that's not the right word. There's something nice about I
guess that concept. I think it's it's meant to be humble.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
That's the most humbled. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I'm not worth billion dollars. Oh, more like a two
six okay.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Your w two though, looks a lot different than mine though, right,
I mean yeah, your your tax time is a little
bit different from you than me.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
We know the check the NFL cuts and I still
have sweets brown and I have that in common. Neither
one of us are worth four billion dollars. Yes, all right?
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
The Growler podcast, Yeah, and you did one today with
Jay and then I popped on for a while and
that was fun. And then the crossover episode. And I
mentioned this on air yesterday because I really thoroughly enjoyed
Zach Taylor talking with you and Charlie and Brian Geese's
log about Red's Baseball and his experiences with his son
and the sport of baseball.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
That was that was top notch. That was really good. Thanks.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, I thought it was. I mean, you don't it was.
It was the last chance to kind of do something
a little different. Uh, And I like, I like anytime
I can get somebody to that. You hear a lot
things you don't hear them asked about a lot, and
you know, credit to Brian and Charlie kind of cooked
up the idea and we were able to kind of
turn it into something that was fun. And is that
(40:10):
throwing some questions at Charlie checks He was throwing some
questions at Charlie, which I appreciate. It got him, I
mean caught him off guard. He was not ready for that. Yeah,
I like that. We're back Thursday night. Well, we have
our Jay and I are doing our training camp wrap
ups on the YouTube channel after every camp practice, but
Thursday night, who day Nights is back. Yes, it'll be
the it'll be a four box myself, Charlie, j Mark
(40:32):
Challafu kind of wrap it. First two days of camp
are always very eventful, So we'll be live on the
YouTube channel and X at eight thirty on Thursday night
kind of going through a lot of the stuff from
the week and we'll have those periodically going on. But
make sure you're subscribed to the YouTube channel because we'll
be sending out those recaps every day night.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
You have that and the Athletic dot Com as well.
Follow Paul on x at Paul Danner Junior awesome as always.
We'll see, We'll see tomorrow. I cannot wait to see
how you're gonna do it. Why I might bring an
extra stool just to make sure you're taking care of
I'm going something to sit on if you need me.
Fair enough, We're excited, you need Thank the Bengals for
(41:11):
letting us come down there and wait. It's gonna be fun.
It's gonna be different, all right, Paul Danner Junior. Check
out the Growler podcast and read his work at the
Athletic dot com. We have a lot of ground to
cover between now and six o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty
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