August 12, 2025 • 29 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to talk about a whoile slew of Bengals-related topics in the aftermath of their preseason opener.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Reds lose a tough one last night. Terry Francona is
managing with one arm behind his back. And there is
a local, a Cincinnati sports media member who we are
going to beg to quit their job and go work
for the Reds. That coming up a little bit later
on Tony Pike with the elateas from training camp, which, uh,
(00:48):
how we're going to pull that all? Five? No idea
three forty five, four forty five and five forty five.
But it's Tuesday. Thankfully he didn't forget. Paul Danner Juniors
here the Growler Podcast, the Athletic dot Com and Paul
this morning was allowed to attend Bengals practice inside the Bubble.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hi Paul Hi, how are you doing? Wonderful? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Great, It's awesome to have you here. It's good to
be here. We have a lot to discuss, we do. Yeah,
I will do my best to be the eyes and
ears you guys in bubble.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I do appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, you could read Paul's work covering Bengals training camp
at the Athletic catch the podcast The Growler and so
much more, the YouTube channel daily training camp reports and
so much more, and on.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
X at Paul Danner Junior. You got them all. There's
a lot of there's a lot of different places, a.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Lot of different places, and a lot of different things
to discuss. Did anything interesting happen at Bengals practice today
inside the bubble?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It wasn't bad. It was fairly.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
The first Joe Burrow eleven on eleven interception of training
camp occurred Jordan Battle stepping into a pass directed to
Mitch Tinsley, who was running with the first team. All right,
just just saying form oegar ward enthusiasts out there right there.
Got the odds posted on the board are those of
(02:07):
the original. He was a plus two hundred when training
camp started. We might have to adjust.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
He might have to adjust.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
But yeah, so but there was Jordan Battle with an
interception there, and then Burrow comes back and throws a
deep ball to Yoshibash over top of Josh Newton.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
After that, a lot of trash talking.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Orlando Brown very vocal really and yes today for whatever reason,
yelling at the defense after a touchdown and then yelling
at Jordan Battle after he did you know one of
those like celebrations you see in the Savannah Bananas when
they hit a home run or something like where the
guy goes around.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I mean it just the celebration.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Went on and on and on, and he was talking
trash to everybody and had run all the way held
onto the ball all the way through the goal line,
which was good. Yeah, but it went on and so
then when as you might imagine, when Burrow goes down
and gets a touch on the next drive there or
some comments from Orlando Brown directed good battle, Yeah good.
I like this back and forth competitive very much. So
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this is what we're looking for. Yeah, that was good.
Big day tomorrow though supposedly they're going to be outside okay,
so hopefully we'll have enough space to get in out
there and we can take any but supposedly big work
day tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I think it's it's intended to be.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
A lot that they're going to evaluate off of tomorrow
and have it their last big day probably before they
get into you know, full prep and and waiting for
the game on Monday.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So when you say big day, that's big day for
certain individual players.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think for everybody. I mean, it's just gonna be
a heavy workload day. They were trying to get guys
Zach Taylor share, they're trying to get guys through today,
So maybe managing a few people because they want everybody
to be out there tomorrow for everything that they're planning
on doing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Wow, So big days, anything's like beyond the ordinary. We're
gonna bring back the Oklahoma drill.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I just think you're probably I'm gonna guess a lot
of teams a competitive, you know, a lot to move
the ball. If there's going to be a training camp fight,
tomorrow's the day if there's going to be one.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I think tomorrow is the day that maybe.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It's most likely that there's some sort of freakas donnybrook
brew haha, yeah, fluff, or it could have been that
day that Jamar Chase kept throwing the football to the
defensive players.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
That might have been the day that was closest to
there being a fight there. But yeah, tomorrow in the heat, long,
heavy workload day. Yes, where we're day, We're fourteen practices in. Yeah, yeah,
they're over it.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
There's still a few days away from another game. There's
still weeks away from the season, like tomorrow. Man, I
hope I'm there for it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I hope you are too. Yeah. Likewise, well we'll see.
I'll try to remember.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I want to start here with a with a positive
because you know, obviously there's there's lots to chew on
from what happened on Thursday, and some of it was
not good. But I'm gonna start with some positives. Are
you ready turning over to re leaf? Like Dylan Fairchild? Yeah,
Dylan Fairchild's an NFL guard. Yeah, at least he certainly
was on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You went out there and there were so many questions
in turns, what was gonna happen at right guard, left guard,
you know, the defense as a whole, all these things.
You just, I think, more than anything, wanted to see
that not go poorly because I don't know that they
really have an answer if it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Right, Yes, that's why this is a big deal.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It was, and it was a nerve wracking few series
to watch because it's like, how how far down or
is this starting? What's the foundation of where this left
guard thing is going to start. He's still a third
round rookie. They have cleared it where this is the guy.
I mean, they've made it abundantly clear this is who
it's going to be. So for him to go out
there playing against another fellow rookie, a backup for Philly whatever,
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but he's out there doing it and not just you know,
not looking like a liability, right but really making nice plays,
you know, in the run game, protecting in the past game,
felt like he blended in it, picked up a stunt
at one point, good communication, all the things that you
wanted to see. He didn't look out of place. He
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looked like he was part of a good line, you know,
in terms of playing between Kris in Orlando out there
and looked didn't look like a third round rookie like
you would expect, you know. And so now I can't
say the same for what was happening at right guard. No,
but but the fact think about how bad it would
have been if Dylan Fairchild would have gone out there
and looked like a third round rookie more so, how
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concerning that would be. So it's a major positive when
you consider the issues that were happening at swing tackle
and at right guard.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
But I assume those things, especially at right guard.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I assumed that I would walk away from the Philadelphia
game feeling even more uneasy than I already did at
right guard. So I needed Dylan Fairchild to just you
know what, you got that covered. I can't worry about
all these things at once, Okay, I only have room
in my brain to worry about one guard position. I'm
already knowing I'm gonna worry about it. So can you
just make it known that you could hold down the left.
(07:02):
You're gonna get better. There's gonna be some growing pains,
I understand.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Just look like you belong And he did.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, I mean, you know, he's if he can come
out this season and play the vast majority of the
year and you know, not be a liability, that's such
a win out of that spot. You you go the
last decade, you know, when you look at rookie third rounders,
(07:28):
how many have played more than ten.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Games in the season.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
It's eleven in the last decade have been able to
do that, to even sustain and play that level. Some
have been good and some have been like okay, you
can see it. Some have not been as good, but
that's it's a rare thing to get there, to have,
you know, maybe one per year will be able to
do it. It certainly looks like he's positioned to do
it if he can stay healthy and continue to play
at that level. But you're you know, like we said before,
(07:53):
the biggest problem was what if he's not right. Yes,
I don't know where we're going here because they they
don't even talk about Courtell Wilson anymore right now. I mean,
his name hasn't come up hardly at all, and there's
enough issues happening at all the other spots on the
line that you can't take another thing to worry about
up there.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
When the Bengals drafted Shamar Stewart, the instant reaction was,
holy crap, they just took a guy who had one
and a half sacks last year. He can't finish plays.
And then I remember talking with you on the Growler
about like, I think the pressures can translate, and if
the pressures translate, the sacks will come. But so will
(08:34):
the mistakes by the quarterback, So will the incompletion, so
will the the third and nine incompletions. And now they
have to punt like good stuff will happen. Shamar Stewart
didn't get a sack on Thursday, but he affected the game. Yeah,
he affected the game in the way that when you
saw the amount of pressures he had, you go, Okay,
guy like that can affect the game. Now, if you
really want to nitpick, you might say, well, he didn't
(08:55):
finish those plays, that's fine. Again, if the pressures come
at this level, I assume he's gonna stumble into sacks.
I want to see a guy who could affect the game.
You and I have talked and you've written about, like
the very quick narrative change based on his first week
or soo practice where we just instantly stopped talking about
the offseason and it became about his impact. That only
continued on Thursday, and I saw a guy again one
(09:17):
preseason game against backups who can positively affect the game
for the defense.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Last year's defensive line problems weren't just about the fact
that Trey Hendrickson got all the sacks, he also got
all the pressures. They also they also couldn't stop the run.
They weren't didn't have enough havoc, if you will, created
on the defensive line in the run game. There just
weren't enough plays in general being made. And that includes
(09:45):
just disruptions and pressures and tackles for loss or rerouting
a running back coming out of the backfield, like those
are the plays that where everybody eats. That's what a
good defensive line needs to look like. The problem is
not about how many sacks he's gonna get or how
many what percentage of sacks Trey Hendrickson's gonna.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Have to get.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
It's just that everybody needs to be offering disruption. Yeah,
and they just almost never had that this year. So
if Shamar Stewart, whether they have him moved inside, whether
they have him on the edge, whether they have him,
you know, out covering Chase Brown on a wheel route
like he was today, you just want him to be
affecting the game positively and specifically affecting the game in
(10:29):
the backfield. And you saw him back there, even in
the few bountle of snaps that he played that. You
saw him back there, you saw him making plays, and
you can see where it can come from.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
During the contract standoff, one of the concerns was when
he shows up, is he gonna look ready?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The answer has been yes from the jump. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Like I give that dude credit, man, because it was
something we feared and some went is fard to assume. Now,
what did it look like when he was covering Chase
Brown on a wheel route?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
He was right there? Okay, he can hang, Oh he
can hang. I mean I'm not right.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I mean, I guess we're not too far from him
becoming a starting corner, but like he's he's not he's
not going to be starting quarter anytime. But I mean
the fact that he's out his athletic again, it's like
the freak show athleticism stuff. That's kind of the area
where stuff like that shows up. Yea where you know what,
he can even do something that you don't expect him
to be able to do or nor that you're going
(11:18):
to ask him to do a lot. But if it
comes to a situation where he does end up out
there in that spot, he can help you. But you know,
I just I think it's just that athleticism is conducive
to being the bottom level, the floor being that you're
going to be disruptive.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Sixteen minutes after three o'clock, Paul Danner Junior, Theeathletic dot
Com and The Growler Podcast Bengals working out this morning
taking on the Washington Commanders on Monday night. That game
is live on ESPN fifteen thirty. See I went positive
there to start, because there's a list of things that
aren't so positive. Yeah, and we're going to talk about them. Well,
we're coming back. Thank you on ESPN fifteen thirty. Cincinnati
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Speaker 3 (12:35):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moagger Paul Danner Juniors here
just giving me a review of the postgame Snoop Dogg
concert last night.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Great time. Yeah, I loved him. I had a big time.
Five stars, five stars for Snoop Warren G. Came out
in May surprise. That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I want to purchase the Red's home.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Two to one. Three was the number with warrang on
the back. So if you see somebody walking around wearing that,
it's either me or Warren G. Because I want that jersey.
I'm gonna look into getting it. How long did Snoop play?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
It was.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I felt like about an hour and a half because
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Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah roughs and stuff with my afrobuffs was out there
and did a couple songs. Warren G did a couple songs,
and then he obviously has a long line songs. He
did some medley's of some of the stuff where he's
dropped in on verses here and there.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But the crowd was happy, loose. It was good. It
was good despite the fact the home team lost the
baseball game.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Most of the people not paying attention to the baseball game.
The concourses. I'll just say, when I was walking through
to go get a drink or whatever during the game,
concourses were full, Okay they were.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
They were not a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Of folks hanging on like every Andrew rabbit pitch, Yeah,
debating with each other about leaving Andrew abbot in to
give up the the go ahead hit.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
It was being debated in my row. Okay, sure, yeah,
but not in the concourse.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I will say.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I will say it reminded me of on Happy Gilmore,
the original Happy Gilmore, the one.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well I'm not going there.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I don't want to do that on this show.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'm I don't want to do this. Can I make
my point? Go ahead? Okay? Please?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
So the the original Happy Gilmore when Happy first becomes
popular and all the like crazy people start showing up
at the PGA Tour events. I feel like that's what
it was like for the Red season ticket holders last night,
looking around, like what is going on? Because the crowd
was They're feeling good. It was a good crowd, great time.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
All right.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
How how significant would you guess the Geno stone injury is.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Soft tissue yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I mean this time of year, it look we're a
month out, okay, So I mean it doesn't I don't
think that there's concern Oh for Geno Stone being back
for week one and we've got the week to week thing.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
We never know at that mean sure, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
You know, he certainly didn't seem to have much concern
about it being anything serious like that when we talked
to him the other day. So I don't think it's
going to be super serious. But I think it's apparent
when you listen to the language that they're using about
the safety position and the fact that there's still there's
definitely one big name still available in free agency, that
(15:32):
you know they're weighing all the options on what they
need to do there this week.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I know I talked about this with you and Jay
on your podcast, and so I want people to listen
to that. But just surface level, this is so frustrating
to me that we are talking about something in relation
to this position where the Bengals weren't very good last
year and we're having the exact same conversation we were
(15:56):
six months ago about depth and experience, what plan be
is behind Geno Stone wondering if Geno Stone can perform
better this year. Like this just feels like a huge whiff,
And it feels like a whiff that at some point
this season, even if Genostone stays healthy, is going to
cost them in.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
A big way. Yeah, it's the what's the plan here? Yeah,
Like from.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
The beginning, it's felt like there hasn't been Okay, we're
behind Geno's Stone, but we're giving him a pay cut. Okay,
well he's gonna start, Okay, Well we're evaluating these other
people behind them whether they can even play. Okay, well,
maybe there'll be a free agent you can bring in,
but you're not gonna bring him in over top of
Genos Stone if you've already kind of been behind him
(16:40):
since they would otherwise you would have just moved on
then yeah, and brought somebody else in, you know, And
then they're like, I don't know if these guys can
do it behind him. I just then why wasn't there
somebody else here in the first place. It's just all
of it does feel very just kind of asleep at
the wheel with some of this stuff, and it's.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Being acknowledged by the head coach during training camp.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Well, I well, I do think that it's fair to say,
can they count on Tyson Anderson or Dejon Anthony to
play safety if need be, because there aren't a lot
of snaps for them in the regular season. On the
preseason games, there aren't and so can they I think
(17:24):
they feel like they just want confirmation that they feel
more confident about their ability to step in if necessary.
Otherwise they do have to then more seriously consider some
of the other options that are out there, whether it
be Justin Simmons or some other you know, a waiver,
a trade or whatever. Well, Tyson Anderson is not going
(17:47):
anywhere because he's too valuable a ACE. Yes, yes, he
ascended a couple of years ago from a terrific awesome.
That's that's great, That's what that you should be that
but that's fine.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
The quote from Zach Taylor are about depth and safety
is one that I would expect to.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Have read in February.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, I mean it reads like, as you're talking about
what your plan is going to be during the off season,
and Zach Taylor says, we gotta find out if these
guys can play I'm paraphrasing them here. That read like
something you read before they really, you know, start to
dig into their off season plan. Yeah, but not before
they play their second breseason and make a bet on
Genostone And then so you're gonna bail on the Geno
(18:25):
Stone bet that you made just because he's got a
soft tissue injury in training camp, like that doesn't necessarily
comply with what you've been doing this whole time.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
So I don't, you know, it's a it's a fascinating thing.
I think of the best case scenario, probably in their mind,
is that Tyson and Dejon both have played well enough
this week, and they play well in the game against
Washington and feel like, Okay, I feel good that these
guys can step in and do it and we can
(18:56):
go forward with the original plan. But leaving that tear
it out there of you know, not totally sure where
what's going to happen there, and knowing that there is
a guy like Simmons still out there certainly is an
interesting spot to be in or.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
An elevation up the depth chart to my guy, PJ Jewles.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
He.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Is, he's in your guy's in the VINX. We all
know PJ. Jewles name.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Now. He had to play the other day we're an interception.
Then he gets thrown in there with the first team
in the red zone lockout drill, and which that actually
was more concerning than anything, because it's like, oh, well,
you know, we feel so up in the air about
this position that we're just throwing PJ. Jewels in there
because he made one nice play. Oh I hate to
(19:44):
say that was my takeaway. A week ago. I didn't
know this guy existed, and now he's running with the ones. Yeah,
in red zone. That's nice, that's good.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, all right, hang ty Paul Danner Juniors with US
Sports Headlines. Next Tony Pike coming up at about fifty
minutes on Moeger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
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Speaker 2 (21:48):
I feel like my life's a lie.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Mo.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I really thought that to Bratt did the the Afropuff song,
and that was the Bratt and it wasn't. Apparently Lady
of Rage did it. And now my whole life I'm thinking,
what else have I had so terribly wrong?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I used to date the Lady of Rage between the marriages.
You know you didn't have to miss out. You know
you didn't.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
You didn't have to point out your own foe pos
It's okay, I want to I want to be transparent.
That's what I'm about here, you know, transparent and honest.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I can appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
The the overall performance of the defense against Philadelphia, and
we talked about their questions the Bengals have at safety.
How how much of a pass should we give them
based on who didn't play? How they dumbed down the
scheme where they are in the early stages of Al
Golden putting his fingerprints on the defense, uh their reliance
(22:45):
on younger players. How much of a pass should we
give them for that performance against Philly.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I will give you a pass on one of those
four things you just mentioned, Al Golden still putting his
fingerprints on the defense and getting it all figured out.
Pass on that patient's gonna be necessary while he sees
what the problems are as they pop up. I mean,
the whole point of having the new coordinator his ability
to take the problems that are gonna pop up and
better handle them and better get players to play confidently
(23:14):
as these things and work the problems out of these
players as as they evolved. Which what was a problem
last year the other ones. No young players are gonna
play and these aren't all like rookies. There's a bunch
of guys that should know better that were out there. Okay,
they played against It was Tanner McKee. People keep talking about, Oh,
(23:38):
they didn't have Cam Taylor britt or Deck.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It was Tanner McKee and a bunch of Eagles backups.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Okay, like it can't, that doesn't that doesn't work for
me are like, it doesn't work for me, using the
con like that was their backups. You, as the Bengals
first team defense should have some level of success, Yeah,
and not have look that lost.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I am.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It's just it's to me, it's more from a Bengals perspective,
just disappointing than it is like some fatal flaw of
their season. You know, you see, I mean, of course,
because it's just what Twitter does.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I mean, I saw more.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Everyone needed to be fired after the first quarter already
the first quarter of the preseason, and we've already got.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That it's gonna be a long It's gonna be a
long season.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
But I think that there is a patience necessary here
to give Al Golden time to try to work through
the kinks and find the players that will do the
things that he wants that won't have those issues, to
work through those issues and teach young players to be better.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
That's why he's here.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
It's sort of it's the same way that we've discussed
Tito Francona's impact on the Reds in that he's gonna,
You're gonna the team was still making those mistakes of
last year early in the season and all of that
was happen, and then the point is that he's supposed
to be here to help work those out, so over
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the long haul you see the improvement. It doesn't just
continue to be the same things happening over and over again,
which happened with the Reds last year and happened with
the Bengals last year as well. That's gonna be the idea,
and now that doesn't Can he do it? I don't
know if how Golden's going to be able to do
that or not, but I do think there's a patiences there.
I want to know what they look like four weeks
(25:25):
into the season or in Thanksgiving at Thanksgiving in that
time more so than I'm gonna make some massive judgment
off of Thursday Night that said they were terrible, right,
And that is a concern, yes, because there was you
lose so much of the positive momentum that you gained
(25:46):
through those ten practices where it's like the theme was, man,
this defense is really gaining confidence. They're making plays, they're
stopping Joe Burrow like they seem to know what they're doing,
They're they're playing fast. All of this. Everyone was feeling
that that was not fake, that was real. And for
it then to go out and look like that is
(26:08):
just it's a concerning result because you just I think
you felt like they felt like they were in a
better place defensively than what showed.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
It's interesting you say that because I had somebody say
to me that night, mo, I thought you said the
Bengals defense had been pretty.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Good, right, and they had. Yeah, And you've.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Been to more practices and watch it, I think with
a far more critical eye than I'm able to. But
that was my big takeaway so many days was how
much confidence they were playing in how good they looked,
you know, how they were standing toe to toe with
an established offense that's one of the best in the NFL.
Nothing that they put on the field on Thursday would
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suggest that what we had watched in practice actually happened.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
M H.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
And you know, you go back to something that Zach
Taylor said on Saturday, I think talking about the operational issues,
and it just literally he said, like the right amount
of people being on the defensive.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Line, how's that where we're at? Right?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
But the fact that that's the type of stuff that
we're talking about, like that's the type of stuff that's
crazy to me. But you know, giant gaps in the
run game and dudes just getting turned around left and right,
I mean wide open then not knowing situationally what's happening,
and you get hit over the top before halftime, and
(27:33):
dumb penalties and you know, all of that stuff. It
just it's it makes you wonder, you know, you like
we talked about Dylan Fairchild of what level of foundation
are you starting at with this thing? It's like, Okay,
we thought that it was going to be at five,
but it's apparently we're actually going to start.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
To I've lobbied for years to be their director of
common sense, and I still want that role. I will
add to it being the person in charge of counting
how many defensive linemen in the game.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, it's gonna be important apparently.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Four yeah, one, show three, Okay, we're good, We're good.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Al lining up off sides on it a fifty five
yard I mean, I just you know, that's the stuff
where you're like slop, what is it's slop?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Slop?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
And the players that commit those penalties should not be
in the games, and you can't trust them.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And that's the frustrating part. I'll see in two weeks
I cannot wait.
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Reds lose a tough one last night. Terry Francona is
managing with one arm behind his back. And there is
a local, a Cincinnati sports media member who we are
going to beg to quit their job and go work
for the Reds. That coming up a little bit later
on Tony Pike with the elateas from training camp, which, uh,
(00:48):
how we're going to pull that all? Five? No idea
three forty five, four forty five and five forty five.
But it's Tuesday. Thankfully he didn't forget. Paul Danner Juniors
here the Growler Podcast, the Athletic dot Com and Paul
this morning was allowed to attend Bengals practice inside the Bubble.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hi Paul Hi, how are you doing? Wonderful? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Great, It's awesome to have you here. It's good to
be here. We have a lot to discuss, we do. Yeah,
I will do my best to be the eyes and
ears you guys in bubble.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I do appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, you could read Paul's work covering Bengals training camp
at the Athletic catch the podcast The Growler and so
much more, the YouTube channel daily training camp reports and
so much more, and on.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
X at Paul Danner Junior. You got them all. There's
a lot of there's a lot of different places, a.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Lot of different places, and a lot of different things
to discuss. Did anything interesting happen at Bengals practice today
inside the bubble?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It wasn't bad. It was fairly.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
The first Joe Burrow eleven on eleven interception of training
camp occurred Jordan Battle stepping into a pass directed to
Mitch Tinsley, who was running with the first team. All right,
just just saying form oegar ward enthusiasts out there right there.
Got the odds posted on the board are those of
(02:07):
the original. He was a plus two hundred when training
camp started. We might have to adjust.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
He might have to adjust.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
But yeah, so but there was Jordan Battle with an
interception there, and then Burrow comes back and throws a
deep ball to Yoshibash over top of Josh Newton.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
After that, a lot of trash talking.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Orlando Brown very vocal really and yes today for whatever reason,
yelling at the defense after a touchdown and then yelling
at Jordan Battle after he did you know one of
those like celebrations you see in the Savannah Bananas when
they hit a home run or something like where the
guy goes around.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I mean it just the celebration.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Went on and on and on, and he was talking
trash to everybody and had run all the way held
onto the ball all the way through the goal line,
which was good. Yeah, but it went on and so
then when as you might imagine, when Burrow goes down
and gets a touch on the next drive there or
some comments from Orlando Brown directed good battle, Yeah good.
I like this back and forth competitive very much. So
(03:06):
this is what we're looking for. Yeah, that was good.
Big day tomorrow though supposedly they're going to be outside okay,
so hopefully we'll have enough space to get in out
there and we can take any but supposedly big work
day tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I think it's it's intended to be.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
A lot that they're going to evaluate off of tomorrow
and have it their last big day probably before they
get into you know, full prep and and waiting for
the game on Monday.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So when you say big day, that's big day for
certain individual players.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think for everybody. I mean, it's just gonna be
a heavy workload day. They were trying to get guys
Zach Taylor share, they're trying to get guys through today,
So maybe managing a few people because they want everybody
to be out there tomorrow for everything that they're planning
on doing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Wow, So big days, anything's like beyond the ordinary. We're
gonna bring back the Oklahoma drill.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I just think you're probably I'm gonna guess a lot
of teams a competitive, you know, a lot to move
the ball. If there's going to be a training camp fight,
tomorrow's the day if there's going to be one.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I think tomorrow is the day that maybe.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It's most likely that there's some sort of freakas donnybrook
brew haha, yeah, fluff, or it could have been that
day that Jamar Chase kept throwing the football to the
defensive players.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
That might have been the day that was closest to
there being a fight there. But yeah, tomorrow in the heat, long,
heavy workload day. Yes, where we're day, We're fourteen practices in. Yeah, yeah,
they're over it.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
There's still a few days away from another game. There's
still weeks away from the season, like tomorrow. Man, I
hope I'm there for it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I hope you are too. Yeah. Likewise, well we'll see.
I'll try to remember.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I want to start here with a with a positive
because you know, obviously there's there's lots to chew on
from what happened on Thursday, and some of it was
not good. But I'm gonna start with some positives. Are
you ready turning over to re leaf? Like Dylan Fairchild? Yeah,
Dylan Fairchild's an NFL guard. Yeah, at least he certainly
was on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You went out there and there were so many questions
in turns, what was gonna happen at right guard, left guard,
you know, the defense as a whole, all these things.
You just, I think, more than anything, wanted to see
that not go poorly because I don't know that they
really have an answer if it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Right, Yes, that's why this is a big deal.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It was, and it was a nerve wracking few series
to watch because it's like, how how far down or
is this starting? What's the foundation of where this left
guard thing is going to start. He's still a third
round rookie. They have cleared it where this is the guy.
I mean, they've made it abundantly clear this is who
it's going to be. So for him to go out
there playing against another fellow rookie, a backup for Philly whatever,
(05:48):
but he's out there doing it and not just you know,
not looking like a liability, right but really making nice plays,
you know, in the run game, protecting in the past game,
felt like he blended in it, picked up a stunt
at one point, good communication, all the things that you
wanted to see. He didn't look out of place. He
(06:09):
looked like he was part of a good line, you know,
in terms of playing between Kris in Orlando out there
and looked didn't look like a third round rookie like
you would expect, you know. And so now I can't
say the same for what was happening at right guard. No,
but but the fact think about how bad it would
have been if Dylan Fairchild would have gone out there
and looked like a third round rookie more so, how
(06:31):
concerning that would be. So it's a major positive when
you consider the issues that were happening at swing tackle
and at right guard.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
But I assume those things, especially at right guard.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I assumed that I would walk away from the Philadelphia
game feeling even more uneasy than I already did at
right guard. So I needed Dylan Fairchild to just you
know what, you got that covered. I can't worry about
all these things at once, Okay, I only have room
in my brain to worry about one guard position. I'm
already knowing I'm gonna worry about it. So can you
just make it known that you could hold down the left.
(07:02):
You're gonna get better. There's gonna be some growing pains,
I understand.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Just look like you belong And he did.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, I mean, you know, he's if he can come
out this season and play the vast majority of the
year and you know, not be a liability, that's such
a win out of that spot. You you go the
last decade, you know, when you look at rookie third rounders,
(07:28):
how many have played more than ten.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Games in the season.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
It's eleven in the last decade have been able to
do that, to even sustain and play that level. Some
have been good and some have been like okay, you
can see it. Some have not been as good, but
that's it's a rare thing to get there, to have,
you know, maybe one per year will be able to
do it. It certainly looks like he's positioned to do
it if he can stay healthy and continue to play
at that level. But you're you know, like we said before,
(07:53):
the biggest problem was what if he's not right. Yes,
I don't know where we're going here because they they
don't even talk about Courtell Wilson anymore right now. I mean,
his name hasn't come up hardly at all, and there's
enough issues happening at all the other spots on the
line that you can't take another thing to worry about
up there.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
When the Bengals drafted Shamar Stewart, the instant reaction was,
holy crap, they just took a guy who had one
and a half sacks last year. He can't finish plays.
And then I remember talking with you on the Growler
about like, I think the pressures can translate, and if
the pressures translate, the sacks will come. But so will
(08:34):
the mistakes by the quarterback, So will the incompletion, so
will the the third and nine incompletions. And now they
have to punt like good stuff will happen. Shamar Stewart
didn't get a sack on Thursday, but he affected the game. Yeah,
he affected the game in the way that when you
saw the amount of pressures he had, you go, Okay,
guy like that can affect the game. Now, if you
really want to nitpick, you might say, well, he didn't
(08:55):
finish those plays, that's fine. Again, if the pressures come
at this level, I assume he's gonna stumble into sacks.
I want to see a guy who could affect the game.
You and I have talked and you've written about, like
the very quick narrative change based on his first week
or soo practice where we just instantly stopped talking about
the offseason and it became about his impact. That only
continued on Thursday, and I saw a guy again one
(09:17):
preseason game against backups who can positively affect the game
for the defense.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Last year's defensive line problems weren't just about the fact
that Trey Hendrickson got all the sacks, he also got
all the pressures. They also they also couldn't stop the run.
They weren't didn't have enough havoc, if you will, created
on the defensive line in the run game. There just
weren't enough plays in general being made. And that includes
(09:45):
just disruptions and pressures and tackles for loss or rerouting
a running back coming out of the backfield, like those
are the plays that where everybody eats. That's what a
good defensive line needs to look like. The problem is
not about how many sacks he's gonna get or how
many what percentage of sacks Trey Hendrickson's gonna.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Have to get.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
It's just that everybody needs to be offering disruption. Yeah,
and they just almost never had that this year. So
if Shamar Stewart, whether they have him moved inside, whether
they have him on the edge, whether they have him,
you know, out covering Chase Brown on a wheel route
like he was today, you just want him to be
affecting the game positively and specifically affecting the game in
(10:29):
the backfield. And you saw him back there, even in
the few bountle of snaps that he played that. You
saw him back there, you saw him making plays, and
you can see where it can come from.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
During the contract standoff, one of the concerns was when
he shows up, is he gonna look ready?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The answer has been yes from the jump. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Like I give that dude credit, man, because it was
something we feared and some went is fard to assume. Now,
what did it look like when he was covering Chase
Brown on a wheel route?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
He was right there? Okay, he can hang, Oh he
can hang. I mean I'm not right.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I mean, I guess we're not too far from him
becoming a starting corner, but like he's he's not he's
not going to be starting quarter anytime. But I mean
the fact that he's out his athletic again, it's like
the freak show athleticism stuff. That's kind of the area
where stuff like that shows up. Yea where you know what,
he can even do something that you don't expect him
to be able to do or nor that you're going
(11:18):
to ask him to do a lot. But if it
comes to a situation where he does end up out
there in that spot, he can help you. But you know,
I just I think it's just that athleticism is conducive
to being the bottom level, the floor being that you're
going to be disruptive.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
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aren't so positive. Yeah, and we're going to talk about them. Well,
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Speaker 3 (12:35):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moagger Paul Danner Juniors here
just giving me a review of the postgame Snoop Dogg
concert last night.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Great time. Yeah, I loved him. I had a big time.
Five stars, five stars for Snoop Warren G. Came out
in May surprise. That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I want to purchase the Red's home.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Two to one. Three was the number with warrang on
the back. So if you see somebody walking around wearing that,
it's either me or Warren G. Because I want that jersey.
I'm gonna look into getting it. How long did Snoop play?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
It was.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I felt like about an hour and a half because
he had the bratt.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah roughs and stuff with my afrobuffs was out there
and did a couple songs. Warren G did a couple songs,
and then he obviously has a long line songs. He
did some medley's of some of the stuff where he's
dropped in on verses here and there.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But the crowd was happy, loose. It was good. It
was good despite the fact the home team lost the
baseball game.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Most of the people not paying attention to the baseball game.
The concourses. I'll just say, when I was walking through
to go get a drink or whatever during the game,
concourses were full, Okay they were.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
They were not a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Of folks hanging on like every Andrew rabbit pitch, Yeah,
debating with each other about leaving Andrew abbot in to
give up the the go ahead hit.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
It was being debated in my row. Okay, sure, yeah,
but not in the concourse.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I will say.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I will say it reminded me of on Happy Gilmore,
the original Happy Gilmore, the one.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well I'm not going there.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I don't want to do that on this show.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'm I don't want to do this. Can I make
my point? Go ahead? Okay? Please?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
So the the original Happy Gilmore when Happy first becomes
popular and all the like crazy people start showing up
at the PGA Tour events. I feel like that's what
it was like for the Red season ticket holders last night,
looking around, like what is going on? Because the crowd
was They're feeling good. It was a good crowd, great time.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
All right.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
How how significant would you guess the Geno stone injury is.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Soft tissue yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I mean this time of year, it look we're a
month out, okay, So I mean it doesn't I don't
think that there's concern Oh for Geno Stone being back
for week one and we've got the week to week thing.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
We never know at that mean sure, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
You know, he certainly didn't seem to have much concern
about it being anything serious like that when we talked
to him the other day. So I don't think it's
going to be super serious. But I think it's apparent
when you listen to the language that they're using about
the safety position and the fact that there's still there's
definitely one big name still available in free agency, that
(15:32):
you know they're weighing all the options on what they
need to do there this week.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I know I talked about this with you and Jay
on your podcast, and so I want people to listen
to that. But just surface level, this is so frustrating
to me that we are talking about something in relation
to this position where the Bengals weren't very good last
year and we're having the exact same conversation we were
(15:56):
six months ago about depth and experience, what plan be
is behind Geno Stone wondering if Geno Stone can perform
better this year. Like this just feels like a huge whiff,
And it feels like a whiff that at some point
this season, even if Genostone stays healthy, is going to
cost them in.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
A big way. Yeah, it's the what's the plan here? Yeah,
Like from.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
The beginning, it's felt like there hasn't been Okay, we're
behind Geno's Stone, but we're giving him a pay cut. Okay,
well he's gonna start, Okay, Well we're evaluating these other
people behind them whether they can even play. Okay, well,
maybe there'll be a free agent you can bring in,
but you're not gonna bring him in over top of
Genos Stone if you've already kind of been behind him
(16:40):
since they would otherwise you would have just moved on
then yeah, and brought somebody else in, you know, And
then they're like, I don't know if these guys can
do it behind him. I just then why wasn't there
somebody else here in the first place. It's just all
of it does feel very just kind of asleep at
the wheel with some of this stuff, and it's.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Being acknowledged by the head coach during training camp.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Well, I well, I do think that it's fair to say,
can they count on Tyson Anderson or Dejon Anthony to
play safety if need be, because there aren't a lot
of snaps for them in the regular season. On the
preseason games, there aren't and so can they I think
(17:24):
they feel like they just want confirmation that they feel
more confident about their ability to step in if necessary.
Otherwise they do have to then more seriously consider some
of the other options that are out there, whether it
be Justin Simmons or some other you know, a waiver,
a trade or whatever. Well, Tyson Anderson is not going
(17:47):
anywhere because he's too valuable a ACE. Yes, yes, he
ascended a couple of years ago from a terrific awesome.
That's that's great, That's what that you should be that
but that's fine.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
The quote from Zach Taylor are about depth and safety
is one that I would expect to.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Have read in February.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, I mean it reads like, as you're talking about
what your plan is going to be during the off season,
and Zach Taylor says, we gotta find out if these
guys can play I'm paraphrasing them here. That read like
something you read before they really, you know, start to
dig into their off season plan. Yeah, but not before
they play their second breseason and make a bet on
Genostone And then so you're gonna bail on the Geno
(18:25):
Stone bet that you made just because he's got a
soft tissue injury in training camp, like that doesn't necessarily
comply with what you've been doing this whole time.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
So I don't, you know, it's a it's a fascinating thing.
I think of the best case scenario, probably in their mind,
is that Tyson and Dejon both have played well enough
this week, and they play well in the game against
Washington and feel like, Okay, I feel good that these
guys can step in and do it and we can
(18:56):
go forward with the original plan. But leaving that tear
it out there of you know, not totally sure where
what's going to happen there, and knowing that there is
a guy like Simmons still out there certainly is an
interesting spot to be in or.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
An elevation up the depth chart to my guy, PJ Jewles.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
He.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Is, he's in your guy's in the VINX. We all
know PJ. Jewles name.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Now. He had to play the other day we're an interception.
Then he gets thrown in there with the first team
in the red zone lockout drill, and which that actually
was more concerning than anything, because it's like, oh, well,
you know, we feel so up in the air about
this position that we're just throwing PJ. Jewels in there
because he made one nice play. Oh I hate to
(19:44):
say that was my takeaway. A week ago. I didn't
know this guy existed, and now he's running with the ones. Yeah,
in red zone. That's nice, that's good.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
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Do we want to move on? Have to keep going?
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Bengals had a practice this morning. We were not allowed
(21:41):
to go, but hopefully we're back tomorrow at ten am
for the Toni and Mo Training Camp show on ESPN
fifteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I feel like my life's a lie.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Mo.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I really thought that to Bratt did the the Afropuff song,
and that was the Bratt and it wasn't. Apparently Lady
of Rage did it. And now my whole life I'm thinking,
what else have I had so terribly wrong?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I used to date the Lady of Rage between the marriages.
You know you didn't have to miss out. You know
you didn't.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
You didn't have to point out your own foe pos
It's okay, I want to I want to be transparent.
That's what I'm about here, you know, transparent and honest.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I can appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
The the overall performance of the defense against Philadelphia, and
we talked about their questions the Bengals have at safety.
How how much of a pass should we give them
based on who didn't play? How they dumbed down the
scheme where they are in the early stages of Al
Golden putting his fingerprints on the defense, uh their reliance
(22:45):
on younger players. How much of a pass should we
give them for that performance against Philly.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I will give you a pass on one of those
four things you just mentioned, Al Golden still putting his
fingerprints on the defense and getting it all figured out.
Pass on that patient's gonna be necessary while he sees
what the problems are as they pop up. I mean,
the whole point of having the new coordinator his ability
to take the problems that are gonna pop up and
better handle them and better get players to play confidently
(23:14):
as these things and work the problems out of these
players as as they evolved. Which what was a problem
last year the other ones. No young players are gonna
play and these aren't all like rookies. There's a bunch
of guys that should know better that were out there. Okay,
they played against It was Tanner McKee. People keep talking about, Oh,
(23:38):
they didn't have Cam Taylor britt or Deck.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It was Tanner McKee and a bunch of Eagles backups.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Okay, like it can't, that doesn't that doesn't work for
me are like, it doesn't work for me, using the
con like that was their backups. You, as the Bengals
first team defense should have some level of success, Yeah,
and not have look that lost.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I am.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It's just it's to me, it's more from a Bengals perspective,
just disappointing than it is like some fatal flaw of
their season. You know, you see, I mean, of course,
because it's just what Twitter does.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I mean, I saw more.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Everyone needed to be fired after the first quarter already
the first quarter of the preseason, and we've already got.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That it's gonna be a long It's gonna be a
long season.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
But I think that there is a patience necessary here
to give Al Golden time to try to work through
the kinks and find the players that will do the
things that he wants that won't have those issues, to
work through those issues and teach young players to be better.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
That's why he's here.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
It's sort of it's the same way that we've discussed
Tito Francona's impact on the Reds in that he's gonna,
You're gonna the team was still making those mistakes of
last year early in the season and all of that
was happen, and then the point is that he's supposed
to be here to help work those out, so over
(25:05):
the long haul you see the improvement. It doesn't just
continue to be the same things happening over and over again,
which happened with the Reds last year and happened with
the Bengals last year as well. That's gonna be the idea,
and now that doesn't Can he do it? I don't
know if how Golden's going to be able to do
that or not, but I do think there's a patiences there.
I want to know what they look like four weeks
(25:25):
into the season or in Thanksgiving at Thanksgiving in that
time more so than I'm gonna make some massive judgment
off of Thursday Night that said they were terrible, right,
And that is a concern, yes, because there was you
lose so much of the positive momentum that you gained
(25:46):
through those ten practices where it's like the theme was, man,
this defense is really gaining confidence. They're making plays, they're
stopping Joe Burrow like they seem to know what they're doing,
They're they're playing fast. All of this. Everyone was feeling
that that was not fake, that was real. And for
it then to go out and look like that is
(26:08):
just it's a concerning result because you just I think
you felt like they felt like they were in a
better place defensively than what showed.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
It's interesting you say that because I had somebody say
to me that night, mo, I thought you said the
Bengals defense had been pretty.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Good, right, and they had. Yeah, And you've.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Been to more practices and watch it, I think with
a far more critical eye than I'm able to. But
that was my big takeaway so many days was how
much confidence they were playing in how good they looked,
you know, how they were standing toe to toe with
an established offense that's one of the best in the NFL.
Nothing that they put on the field on Thursday would
(26:50):
suggest that what we had watched in practice actually happened.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
M H.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
And you know, you go back to something that Zach
Taylor said on Saturday, I think talking about the operational issues,
and it just literally he said, like the right amount
of people being on the defensive.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Line, how's that where we're at? Right?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
But the fact that that's the type of stuff that
we're talking about, like that's the type of stuff that's
crazy to me. But you know, giant gaps in the
run game and dudes just getting turned around left and right,
I mean wide open then not knowing situationally what's happening,
and you get hit over the top before halftime, and
(27:33):
dumb penalties and you know, all of that stuff. It
just it's it makes you wonder, you know, you like
we talked about Dylan Fairchild of what level of foundation
are you starting at with this thing? It's like, Okay,
we thought that it was going to be at five,
but it's apparently we're actually going to start.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
To I've lobbied for years to be their director of
common sense, and I still want that role. I will
add to it being the person in charge of counting
how many defensive linemen in the game.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, it's gonna be important apparently.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Four yeah, one, show three, Okay, we're good, We're good.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Al lining up off sides on it a fifty five
yard I mean, I just you know, that's the stuff
where you're like slop, what is it's slop?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Slop?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
And the players that commit those penalties should not be
in the games, and you can't trust them.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And that's the frustrating part. I'll see in two weeks
I cannot wait.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
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Speaker 2 (28:41):
You got it.
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Tony Pike will give us the latest from training camp,
which I can't wait to hear how he does this
next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
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