August 14, 2024 • 33 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss Ja'Marr Chase's absence from everything on Tuesday, Jake Browning's injury, and his 53-man roster projection. We also briefly touched on orange pants.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Your Bengals room into Chicago for a four quarter fight
with a bear. It's got up, hey, It's a preseason
matchup that'll have the entire football world on the edge
of its seat.
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Paul Tanner Juniors. Here So am I?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
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Tony Pike Bengals are not practicing today, but Tony is
going to give us hourly training camp reports, and I
(00:57):
have asked him to either makeup or embellish things even
though they're not practicing today. I might ask him to
make like, pretend the Bengals are practicing and talk about
how awesome Joe Burrow looks today, just to make a
few people on the Internet. Happy, Paul's gonna be with us,
Paul's with us now, Tony's gonna be with us. Three
forty five, four forty five and five forty five Reds
win again. Last night, Hunter Green's awesome again. Barry Larkin
(01:20):
said some stuff on TV that I really liked. We'll
spend some time on that as well. Hi, Paul, Hi,
how's it going? Man?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Everything as well, isn't it? I mean, I'm just happy.
Are we are we gonna open with backup Center? Or
are we gonna wait on that? I had it on
the list, yeah, okay, just making sure. I mean I
didn't have it on the list, but apparently it's it's
a big topic, and is it? And I don't know,
people and my mentions really want to talk about backup
(01:48):
Center today? Okay, I don't know. Why does that mean
it's a big topic.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
If two people are mad about something on the internet,
that doesn't make it a big topic. No, as somebody
who has fallen into that trap often it does.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It Just it's just I don't know. I am always
alarmed when things like this happened, Like did I miss something?
I Mean, I feel like there's a lot of big
storylines that are happening around the team right now. So
I just I get surprised when I see, like Matt
Lee rage, I don't know, it showed up today, and
I'm just very I just get concerned when I see
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that about what's happening. Did I miss something? While there's
a lot, I just feel like there's a lot of
big topics that a lot should be starting with yeah,
you know, pretty like really big.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, Jamar Chase number one. So yesterday things took a
little bit of a pivot. And it might be a
temporary pivot, and it might be a pivot to something good,
but it's undeniable that the tone and the vibe regarding
what's happening with Jamar Chase and the Bengals took a
pivot when he was a no show for everything yesterday.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I think so, I mean, I think that this certainly
had all the all the feelings and the symptoms of
somebody who was trying to send a message. I don't
have to be around hanging out being cool about this.
We can we can take a little bit more brutal
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approach to this, and that's if that's the way it's
going to be. Drawing more attention to it. Maybe it's
a little too quiet. It's been a quiet holding I
guess maybe, yeah, it was too quiet. It feels like
that's part of it. It does feel like this is
growing a little bit the old you know, the question
that nobody has an answer to is how far it
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will grow. But for now, it just it just keeps
going on, and I think it's it's frustrating for everybody. Yes,
I mean, it's just can can everybody just sit down
and lay out a deadline or some ground rules by
you know, either this is the day that either we
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get this done by or not and we can move
forward in whatever direction that is self imposed deadline here
rather than just the dumb dragging on that this does
like it's not helping anyone. I don't know what. I'm
not super sure what Jamar's side is getting out of
it or what the I mean, I mean, the Bengals,
I guess, are trying to just dig into whatever they
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don't want to pay. Yeah, and I don't see this
stance from Jamar changing that, and so it just kind
of I get him not wanting to participate in practice. Sure,
I don't know a problem with that. No, not really.
I mean at this point, I don't know. I don't
have a problem with that. Yeah, and we'll see where
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it ends. But like when it's like, Okay, we're gonna
take it to the next level, what what is anybody
getting at? What are you getting out of that? Like
do you feel like that's gonna make Mike Brown change
his tone or make the family's gonna view guaranteed money
differently because of extra attention? Like that's I don't really
know that. I totally understand what the end game is
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and because it's not going to change what they're doing.
But I mean, maybe they think it will. Maybe they
think it will. Let me mention this really quick.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Paul writes for the Athletic dot Com Oh Yeah, and
does a podcast, The Growler, with daily camp updates after
training camp practices with Jay Morrison.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
We did Balds Don't Lie yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
We talked extensively about a Marius Mims and his absence
at least for a while. You can follow Paul on
x at Paul Danner Junior. Let's let's sift through like
what Jamar is maybe or maybe not doing today the
Bengals are leaving for Chicago.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I think here in a few hours. Do we expect
Jamar to be with his teammates? I expected him to
be there yesterday. Yeah, right, day to day, I believe
is the terms being used.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think if he doesn't get on the plane and
he's not there tomorrow, which then means he's not there Saturday,
does that does that kick this? Does this kick this
into hyper drive a little bit?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
No, I think it continues to be the same as
just he's not here and those questions are going to
be asked and have to be answered for again, and
it goes on. I don't think it changes again. I
just don't think it changes much outside of everybody was
comfortable having Jamar there hanging out and laughing and kind
of being the nice holding guy. But it doesn't change
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anything in terms of what he wants.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Do you think that yesterday is a signal that, you
know what, I might be willing to miss football games?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Maybe maybe because at the end of the day, it's
willing to ratchet it up. If that's all that matters,
it's all that matters. Are you willing to actually miss games? Games? Plural?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Are you know game? I mean a you're not going
to show up at Airhead Stadium play against Chiefs. Right
to me that that's that's what I want to know
more than anything, Like, yes, Jamar, I get what you're
doing here. I'm I understand it. I have no issue
with you not practicing. But are you gonna be on
the field when the Bengals play Week two against Kansas City?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Cool? Are you gonna be on the field week one
when the Bengals play New England? And and if the
answers are yes, I'll be there, then none of this
other as you said two weeks ago, then it's just,
you know, two people staring at each other. It's just
to me, it's just it's just a guy who's unhappy
about his job but not willing to really do anything
about it, just complains about it in the break room.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And I don't I don't know that sitting out early
games is gonna do anything about it. Like I think
it'll make a lot of people mad and nervous.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I think how it's talked about publicly changes. Not that
that matters that much, but it certainly changes it's talked
about publicly.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yes, but I don't think that that would get accomplished
with Jamar wants accomplished. Like I mean, I get again,
you're just you're you're not gonna bully them into changing
the value of what they want to do right now,
Like I just I think that they'll agree to terms
when they feel like they like the terms, and trying
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to bully them through stuff like this is not It's
there's there's just no precedent or history of it really
working at all, And so I mean, you never know.
But for that, I think that's obviously the only question
that hangs out there. Is he willing to miss any games?
Would he do that? I still don't think so. I
still think when push comes to shove, Joe Burrow will
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give him the nod on Labor Day and say let's go.
Time to go, And I think that changes it. But
I don't think anybody. I don't think anybody knows that.
I don't think Jamar has that answer for you yet
in his head. I don't think Jamar knows if he's
actually going to be willing to do that. I don't
think the Bengals know if he will actually be able
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willing to do that. I think they're trying to get
day to day literally right now through this thing and
just keep focusing on what they got going on.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I feel for Zach Taylor even more now. I mean
in the middle of our practice yesterday when he's got
to come over and announce a bunch of other stuff
that we have to talk about, because a lot of
it was really interesting. But hey, he's day to day
and sort of have this look on it, like what do.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You want me to do?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Do? Man? Like I can't sign him. I'm trying to
coach the team, Like what do you want me to do?
Like I I feel. I know it's part of the job.
I know he's paid handsomely for that job. But it's
a part of the job that's really hard. There's nothing
it sucks.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's yeah, he's just he's just trying to explain something
that he can't talk about. So you just I mean, honestly,
it's been a pretty good run for Vague timelines, Zach,
I think has been he's going I think for the
Pulleitzer Prize and like vegue coach timelines. This year we
have we've had several the Dictionary making appearance with several
(09:38):
beautiful we have so well done. We had some time
showed up about Jake Browning, yesterday. We've had week to week,
day to day We've had I mean, it's just we
just keep getting new ones. In part of the plan communication.
I like my communication, like this is a lead. This
is Patrick Mahomes level timeline vegaries that we've gotten this year.
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So I've actually enjoyed that part of it. It's a
lot of creativity. It's not Joe Burrow level. I mean,
I'm just trying to save you from the internet.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Man. The Internet is really sensitive today, really sensitive, very sensitive. Okay,
between getting mad at Tony and the fight over orange
pants and now there's a Matt Lee controversy. I'm just
trying to I'm trying to keep everybody out of the
shark infested internet water today.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I think if there's something that we need to do,
we do need to heed words from Joe Burrow and
is that you got to stop caring what other people think.
I think that's where I'm at with it. That Burrow
told us that I like that, I love Zaz stop
caring what other people think think, And I've lived that
model for a while. Yeah, it's a quarter to three.
Paul Danner Juniors here joins us.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Usually on Tuesdays, obviously with the Bengals practicing yesterday, we
are here today.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It's Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Bengals off to Chicago, playing the Bears on Saturday after
a joint practice tomorrow. The game on Saturday Live on
ESPN fifteen thirty kicks off at one o'clock. Pregame coverage
starts at nine oh five. There was a lot of
other really interesting stuff from yesterday. Paul also has at
the Athletic dot Com a fifty three man roster projection, which,
since it's not cut down day, isn't final. No things
(11:13):
could change, Yeah they're expected to. Yeah, things could change,
but we are going to spend some time on it.
And I need Paul's take on the simmering orange pants
debate that has enveloped the entire state of Ohio.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I love orange pants debate.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
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Speaker 1 (11:47):
Was I the most recent one yes, yes, Jane and
I have a camp report it from yesterday. But you
don't have to do camp reports when they don't practice. No, Now,
we leave that to Look, I'm not gonna try to
infringe on Tony's breastand that's his deal. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, the Jake Browning news yesterday he's gonna miss some
time with a rib issue. First of all, did that
contribute to him playing like the guy that I thought
we were gonna see when he had to play last
year on Saturday Night?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I don't think so. Otherwise, it lingered on through a practice.
I mean he was out there Monday. Logan Woodside gonna
be the backup week one. Hey, Logan Woodside firing dimes
into the to the sideline to Burten for touchdown.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I mean you're see a lot of Woodside guys. This
is it man, Logan Woodside day. That's right, that's what
you got. This was like when I got to Fantasy
Camp and I got to pitch. Yeah, well that might
be actually if Rocky Lombardy gets saved in all respect
to Rocky, but I've seen enough snaps to know that
that's probably be more yours. Yeah, sure, Yeah, Logan Woodside
(12:58):
has bounced around the NF. You know what it is?
Startling forget bounced carved out an NFL. I mean it's
from he's gotten paid from seventh round pick. The CUI
thing here is a rookie to now can still in
the league. I gotta go do that. I've been meaning
to go back and look at how many seventh round
picks from his draft are still in the league. I
need to go back and do that. Okay, I'm gonna
(13:20):
do that, right, I'm gonna do it. The next break,
I'm gonna say, yeah, that's not gonna. It's not gonna.
We have we have the tools available. Tools I want to.
I want to. I like to focus on our conversation.
I'm not gonna fade off into the distance.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So Joe Burrow like takes a hit and he's got
to miss a series week one. Do I have to
think that might be Logan Woodside.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I don't think so. Okay, I mean we're still a month.
I mean, I know it's just depressed. We've got a
lot of time to go. Oh we do we? I
mean when when we're in orange pants world and we
look and we see a ly four like four weeks
goodness till we get to that opener. So yeah, no,
(14:02):
we've got a ways to go, I think, Browning, I
think the hope is that everything will be okay by
that point.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
All right, so lots of different stuff, I guess it.
So much has happened since you and I podcasted your
the Grawlar podcast Balls Don't Lie and focused a lot
on a Marius mems in the fallout from that. I'm
gonna give Trent brown Here the benefit of the doubt.
I he was kind of a wet blanket when he
talked last week. Yeah, time has sort of run together, Yes, right,
(14:31):
but okay, fine, in the role that he was brought
here to play, can he get himself to a point
where he could be serviceable week one?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yes, the answer should be yes. Yeah. I mean at
the end of the day, I mean he's he was
nonchalant about it because he's kind of like men's is
a little well, too cool for school. This is what
I've been doing my whole life. Yeah, I kind of
don't really necessarily do all the things, and you're not
gonna be you know, and have all that stuff. And
I go out there and guess what you know who
I've been when I've played in games, and I think
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his point is I can get to that level that
I've played in games before in the next month without
a problem.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
He won't be the guy that like when they do
the huddle before the game and the NFL films boom
microphone operators dipping his mic into the huddle. That won't
be Trent Brown leading the chorus. But he could play
at a decent enough level that were like I said yesterday,
if you went around the league and said back up
(15:29):
right tackle or Trent Brown, your backup right tackle or
Trent Brown, I think most coaches, most GMS, most offensive
line coaches would say, I'll take Trent Brown.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, so that's plan B. That's okay, Yeah, you would
prefer that. There weren't phrases like you know, what is
he north of three years seventy sixty five. I'm taking
a leap of faith here, I admit that, but but
I think that's again, that's the Trent We're living the
Trent Brown experience. This has been his reputation and his
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other side of his reputation, beyond you know, having issues
with Wade and then playing all the time and he's
had lots of injuries, has been when he has been
out there, he's been pretty good, especially enough on an Island.
And last year you could see those numbers kind of
play themselves out. And and now he's gonna have theoretically
a month of reps next to Alex Kappa and with
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the first team line to get fully up to speed
on on all the Bengals calls and chemistry and all
that stuff. And and you know, let's let's not forget
some of the people that have managed this position in
recent years, and they've been able to get by just fine.
I think Trent Brown is at the very least at
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or above that level today. I hate this for Marius
Mems more than anything else. Yeah, you do all everything right, Yeah,
you come in and you're just killing it. And everybody
now just is like, you're the starter, right. I mean
to the point that even with the injury, they're like, ah,
you know what, if he comes back, I think we
still might want to be the starter like he really could.
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And I think that's as encouraging of a sign as
you can have. And I we talked about this in
the pop but I am really curious to see how
they manage that if he comes back in week two,
three or four, whatever, and they you have to are
you just gonna replace Trent Brown or are you gonna do?
But that'd be fascinating. But to get himself to that
level that we're talking about him that way speaks to
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how impressive he has been since showing up. I you know,
these snaps, this joint practice and whatever he was gonna
do in the games and then next week against the
culture was gonna be so critical he was gonna go
up against big time addressers, real starters because he hasn't.
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He's done that sum here obviously, but not a ton
you had, Hubbard and Hendrickson have been out. They haven't
lined up in front of him, and so you get
you were gonna have that, and now to not have
that for a guy who you wanted to see that
next level of experience, you still believe in him, That's
that stinks, and that's something that everybody would have been
much more comfortable with. But you know, this is this
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is it.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
As it relates to last Saturday night with Jermaine Burton.
What should be the bigger takeaway what we saw him
do when he got on the field or how long
it took for him to get on the field.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it. Yeah. I mean I
have a cup two mottos that I follow in the NFL.
Follow the money, follow the reps. Always, that's where the
truth lives. The truth always lives in the money and
the reps. So don't listen no word that you're told,
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don't listen to press, don't follow the money, follow the reps.
So when Jermaine Burton had five reps through three quarters
of a preseason opener against Chicago, that was a major
red flag Tampa Bay. Yeah, thank you, I'm already thinking
about Chicago, Tampa Bay. But when that was a major
red and he comes in and makes a couple of
(19:03):
plays and is good, like he's what you would expect
a guy of his talent level to be against guys
of well that talent level. Right that we're out there
for Tampa. But and then what do you hear afterwards
from Joe Burrow needs to get his head in the playbook,
so couldn't get on the field. He needs to get
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his head in the playbook. From the quarterback. How many
times have I sat in front of this microphone and
we've talked about. Trust with Joe Burrow is the absolute
most important quantity of anything you can have in that building,
and you know he's got to go gain that. He
needs to make big strides in that department, it seems,
I mean, that's that's the way it certainly sounds. In
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order to be trusted by Joe Burrow, and that's the
only way he gets on the field, you know, because
if if nine doesn't trust you, they can't put you
out there because he won't. He won't tolerate that. When
there's other guys he does trust, they'd have to sit
down in order to do that. He has clearly all
the physical abilities in the world. But the snap count,
(20:09):
to me was a much bigger deal than the two plays.
We knew he could make those plays. Yeah, right, The
fact that they don't view him as being trusted to
even be out there. Amrius Mims was starting, yes, okay,
playing the whole like that's the deal, okay. And meanwhile,
you have another guy who you maybe thought was going
to be a part of your offensive profile this year,
(20:33):
not even getting into the game until when all the
scrubs come in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Well and plays a position where they're loaded, yes, loaded
with guys that Okay, we know Jamar and t but
beyond that that, Joe Burrow has expressed very explicitly that
he has trust in who might not have the same
athletic profile as Jermaine Burton, but has, in Trent Irwin's case,
has an established track record of obtaining Joe Burrow's trust.
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And andre Yoshabas's case, you know, he's been here and
and Joe has gone out of his way to talk
about how much he trusts Andre. So when you play
that position and you don't have the quarterbacks trust, that
doesn't strike me as something you're going to be able
to gain in a couple of throwing sessions or a
couple of good practices, in large part because that trust
factor with those other guys isn't going to go away. Yeah, exactly.
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And and he's got to do it on the field.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And if he's so far off that they can't even
get him in for a half a series or some
kind of package, at this point, you know, when the
season starts, you don't get reps with Joe, right, Yeah,
you don't, not if you're a sixth receiver on the
roster and so that becomes a lot hard. This was
that this is a time to be building that. So
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finding that trust is going to be a big part.
And I mean it's not just talking about guys like
Andre and Charlie Jones or whatever. I mean, you're no
disrespect Kendrick Pryor and shed Je and Kwame Lasseter, but
you're behind those guys. Yeah yeah, So I mean, and
we're not talking about a sixth round pick. We are
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talking to Day two guy, Day two first round talent,
raving about his physical ability and what he could be
for a while now. So yeah, I think big time
red flag moment on the snap count more so than
the plays because just because I think we've seen the
plays before.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
All right, I have like one, two, three, four or five,
so like nine other things.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Well, we got time, we do not much. We have
to get to Tony. You know, we did the lightning
round line. I like a good lightning round.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Okay, we're pretty good at all right, this is gonna
be a long lightning round, Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Next.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
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Speaker 1 (23:54):
With us for another few minutes. I don't I hope
Arren it's not just McCarthy. Addison off on a cart
today too. In the same day. Oh, I probably shouldn't
have brought it up, because Terrence gotta get through this
hole he go to get to the show and stuff. Yeah,
now I might have ruined that.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Sorry, well you're responsible now, Yeah, I know Terrence performance
on me.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Rest of the way.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
You did a fifty three man roster projection, what was
the position that.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Was toughest offensive line to the point that I, you know,
wrote more about it the day before. I was gonna
have the fifty three out on my whenever the day
of the MEMS injury, and there was so much to
dive into in that room on top of the MEMS injury,
I was like, I need space for this, like, and
(24:40):
we had Frank Pollack doing dancing bear conversations and all
that stuff was happening, and so I was like, I
did that needs It's it's really complicated, you know. I mean,
they could keep any number of guys I think, you know,
your top seven, but then they could keep eight, nine, ten,
They could keep a couple of undrafted guys, Jackson, Carmen,
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thing happens, you've got you know, just there. It's just
all over the map. And you know, the word open
mindedness was used by Zach Taylor to my question about it.
That's gonna be some open mind is happening back there,
otherwise known as it's absolutely wide open at all those
positions beyond that type types I've include including how many
(25:24):
are actually gonna they're actually gonna keep at all? So
that was the hardest. And defensive line is no picnicking.
They have eleven defensive tackles. When you wrote that, like
I mean literally like took a step back. It's unbelievable.
And and and there's just they just have all of
these guys that they're just thrown into the mix, especially
(25:44):
with the McKinley Jackson injury, Like they don't have any
big other big body guys. I think Davis hasn't been
out there, and and and they just they're looking for
anything to help with that. And then it's certainly not
helped when you have the game happen on Saturday and
you see plays where Zach Carter and Chris Jenkins are
just getting you know, washed out of the middle or
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pancaked out of the way, and Zach Carter not to
be not that that wasn't expected.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I was really disappointed relative to my expectations in Chris Jenkins.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, you know what, though, I think a guy in
his first NFL experience ever, I tend to give a
loose give benefit of the doubt too. I was disappointed
in that performance. Agreed, Yeah, I think you expected more
and didn't expect to see, you know, a five yard
(26:39):
touchdown run where he's on the other hash with a
guy on top of him, like and even in his
first experience. And there's plenty of time, you know, you learn,
you learn stuff, you figure it out as you go,
and they're going to be counting on that. But there
were some moments from Chris in that game that were
very disappointing starting spot. And so you just by the
(27:00):
time you get to this week and next, you can
start to kund him because he's need to be part
of that rotation and and you just start to wonder
how they're gonna stop the run because you don't have
DJ Reader and you are hoping that Jenkins could be
a part of that answer. You don't have a big
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body guy that you can lean on. I mean, you
have Jackson, the ninety seventh overall pick who's hurt. Like,
I mean, there's there's a lot of questions there in
terms of what that's going to look like. And so
you you you would like to see a little bit
more progress. I think that you can get some positive
contribution there.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I think the thing that maybe has stood out to
me when I combined what I watched on Saturday with
reading your roster projection is there is an abundance of
riches in the secondary.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah. You know what though, And and I really I
really like talking to Dax after a game on Saturday
because and that's why, you know, I kind of put
him in the category after the game of a guy
that made me think more because I don't think we
expected him to look that good at outside corner, but
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there were still some of those extra mistakes like that
deep not being able to locate. We've I've seen that
a lot in practice from him, and just stuff where
you're just not quite making the play even though you're
in position and that, and he kind of talked about
that like that's where he's at where he feels like
he's good and comfortable at a lot of the hardest stuff,
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but that extra little bit that is just instincts of
a corner of when to turn and put your hand
up and win to knock the ball out, and like
that stuff you build over time playing that specific position.
He's still getting there and that was an example of
it on that play. But he's right there and that's
incur really, I mean a really really encouraged No, not
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at all. No, you need to see more. You need
to see it our starters and a and we've you know,
we seen in camp days where you know guys have
beat him and you expect that. But I yeah, I
thought that was a really encouraging first performance from him.
And he is very understanding of what the next step
needs to be in the type of place he needs
to be able to make. But the fact that he's
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in good position, looks looks comfortable, says he's comfortable, was
a big deal because now you feel better about everything.
Josh Newton, Yeah, you know you feel bad, man, Josh Newton.
That guy would be a great fifth corner. Yes, you
know what I mean, Like, that's a great fifth corner
to have you had him. I think with the second
you graded all the rookies.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, well all the draft picks, and I think he
had the second highest grade after Marius if I'm not
If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, one of the stories of camp,
that's your fifth corner, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And he seems to make a play every practice and
then then obviously gets the interception in the game, and
that's just been consistent. He's he's tenacious, he's confident, he's
sticky as a corner, like he's right there all the time,
and he just makes He's always making plays around the football,
and you know he's gonna have he has a ways
(30:06):
to go as a rookie in general, to get out
there and actually do it. But you know, I think
it's really encouraging with where all those guys are at.
They were banking on that. We spent a lot of
time talking about veteran corners and how they can maybe
add one. And I think you don't feel that way
after what has happened the first seeks to camp, because
you can go with the young guys comfortably. I've got
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like ninety seconds. Yes, is the punter battle over? I
don't think so. I think this is more variables mo
now it's like, well, how long un till this hit
flex That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
When I saw yesterday Brad Robbins is walking off the field,
he's got a hip flex er.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
My thought is punter battle over. Maybe I don't. I mean,
I think there's enough on tape, you know enough about
Brad Robbins level that you still are going to have
it up to Rico to either go above it or
below it over the next couple of weeks and in
these last two games, and then Darren Simmons has a
(31:00):
decision to make assuming that Brad, if you're assuming that
he would be fully healthy and recovered by the time
the Why do you hate Matt Lee? Just hate him? No?
At least fine he's been. He hasn't been running with
the second team. Trey Hill has been running with the
second team until he played in Game one against in
(31:22):
the fourth and with the Scrubs and seem to do
okay there, and then now he rotated in a little
bit the last practice along with Trey Hills. They start
moving guys around to get a better look at him.
I don't hate him, okay, he could very easily make
the team. He just hasn't been in front of Trey
Hill at this point, I understand that seems fair. Totally. Yeah,
I apologize.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Are two teams in the same state both allowed to
have orange pants?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
No, you can't. I think the NFL should actually have
not let anyone have the same colored pants. All thirty
two teams should have different colors and shades.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
We're gonna have to go deep into the box of crayons, right,
get get the get the big Crayola pack out.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Okay, where you can say it's specifically a different shade.
I think I think we've come far enough that we
can make this, that we should make this happen and
just put up absolute rule no color sharing amongst pants
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
What's the schedule next week? Like, what's they got a
game on Thursday? So joint practice on Tuesday?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yes, okay, so Wednesday. We will be back back on Wednesday.
It will be a lot to discuss. There's a lot
of stuff that's gonna happen in a short amount of time.
There is, and then there's stuff that we haven't even
thought about that's gonna happen. Oh oh, I can't wait.
Maybe maybe Jamar Chase will be back in a hat,
or maybe he'll just be like hanging out on the
street corner trying to get Joe Burrow's autograph with the
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fans or something that'd be fun. You're taking video content.
At least he's not l o ling the owner on
Twitter yet. Yeah. Yet, You never know, You never know.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
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have asked him to either makeup or embellish things even
though they're not practicing today. I might ask him to
make like, pretend the Bengals are practicing and talk about
how awesome Joe Burrow looks today, just to make a
few people on the Internet. Happy, Paul's gonna be with us,
Paul's with us now, Tony's gonna be with us. Three
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said some stuff on TV that I really liked. We'll
spend some time on that as well. Hi, Paul, Hi,
how's it going? Man?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Everything as well, isn't it? I mean, I'm just happy.
Are we are we gonna open with backup Center? Or
are we gonna wait on that? I had it on
the list, yeah, okay, just making sure. I mean I
didn't have it on the list, but apparently it's it's
a big topic, and is it? And I don't know,
people and my mentions really want to talk about backup
(01:48):
Center today? Okay, I don't know. Why does that mean
it's a big topic.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
If two people are mad about something on the internet,
that doesn't make it a big topic. No, as somebody
who has fallen into that trap often it does.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It Just it's just I don't know. I am always
alarmed when things like this happened, Like did I miss something?
I Mean, I feel like there's a lot of big
storylines that are happening around the team right now. So
I just I get surprised when I see, like Matt
Lee rage, I don't know, it showed up today, and
I'm just very I just get concerned when I see
(02:19):
that about what's happening. Did I miss something? While there's
a lot, I just feel like there's a lot of
big topics that a lot should be starting with yeah,
you know, pretty like really big.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, Jamar Chase number one. So yesterday things took a
little bit of a pivot. And it might be a
temporary pivot, and it might be a pivot to something good,
but it's undeniable that the tone and the vibe regarding
what's happening with Jamar Chase and the Bengals took a
pivot when he was a no show for everything yesterday.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I think so, I mean, I think that this certainly
had all the all the feelings and the symptoms of
somebody who was trying to send a message. I don't
have to be around hanging out being cool about this.
We can we can take a little bit more brutal
(03:11):
approach to this, and that's if that's the way it's
going to be. Drawing more attention to it. Maybe it's
a little too quiet. It's been a quiet holding I
guess maybe, yeah, it was too quiet. It feels like
that's part of it. It does feel like this is
growing a little bit the old you know, the question
that nobody has an answer to is how far it
(03:34):
will grow. But for now, it just it just keeps
going on, and I think it's it's frustrating for everybody. Yes,
I mean, it's just can can everybody just sit down
and lay out a deadline or some ground rules by
you know, either this is the day that either we
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get this done by or not and we can move
forward in whatever direction that is self imposed deadline here
rather than just the dumb dragging on that this does
like it's not helping anyone. I don't know what. I'm
not super sure what Jamar's side is getting out of
it or what the I mean, I mean, the Bengals,
I guess, are trying to just dig into whatever they
(04:16):
don't want to pay. Yeah, and I don't see this
stance from Jamar changing that, and so it just kind
of I get him not wanting to participate in practice. Sure,
I don't know a problem with that. No, not really.
I mean at this point, I don't know. I don't
have a problem with that. Yeah, and we'll see where
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it ends. But like when it's like, Okay, we're gonna
take it to the next level, what what is anybody
getting at? What are you getting out of that? Like
do you feel like that's gonna make Mike Brown change
his tone or make the family's gonna view guaranteed money
differently because of extra attention? Like that's I don't really
know that. I totally understand what the end game is
(05:00):
and because it's not going to change what they're doing.
But I mean, maybe they think it will. Maybe they
think it will. Let me mention this really quick.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Paul writes for the Athletic dot Com Oh Yeah, and
does a podcast, The Growler, with daily camp updates after
training camp practices with Jay Morrison.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
We did Balds Don't Lie yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
We talked extensively about a Marius Mims and his absence
at least for a while. You can follow Paul on
x at Paul Danner Junior. Let's let's sift through like
what Jamar is maybe or maybe not doing today the
Bengals are leaving for Chicago.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I think here in a few hours. Do we expect
Jamar to be with his teammates? I expected him to
be there yesterday. Yeah, right, day to day, I believe
is the terms being used.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think if he doesn't get on the plane and
he's not there tomorrow, which then means he's not there Saturday,
does that does that kick this? Does this kick this
into hyper drive a little bit?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
No, I think it continues to be the same as
just he's not here and those questions are going to
be asked and have to be answered for again, and
it goes on. I don't think it changes again. I
just don't think it changes much outside of everybody was
comfortable having Jamar there hanging out and laughing and kind
of being the nice holding guy. But it doesn't change
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anything in terms of what he wants.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Do you think that yesterday is a signal that, you
know what, I might be willing to miss football games?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Maybe maybe because at the end of the day, it's
willing to ratchet it up. If that's all that matters,
it's all that matters. Are you willing to actually miss games? Games? Plural?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Are you know game? I mean a you're not going
to show up at Airhead Stadium play against Chiefs. Right
to me that that's that's what I want to know
more than anything, Like, yes, Jamar, I get what you're
doing here. I'm I understand it. I have no issue
with you not practicing. But are you gonna be on
the field when the Bengals play Week two against Kansas City?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Cool? Are you gonna be on the field week one
when the Bengals play New England? And and if the
answers are yes, I'll be there, then none of this
other as you said two weeks ago, then it's just,
you know, two people staring at each other. It's just
to me, it's just it's just a guy who's unhappy
about his job but not willing to really do anything
about it, just complains about it in the break room.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And I don't I don't know that sitting out early
games is gonna do anything about it. Like I think
it'll make a lot of people mad and nervous.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I think how it's talked about publicly changes. Not that
that matters that much, but it certainly changes it's talked
about publicly.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yes, but I don't think that that would get accomplished
with Jamar wants accomplished. Like I mean, I get again,
you're just you're you're not gonna bully them into changing
the value of what they want to do right now,
Like I just I think that they'll agree to terms
when they feel like they like the terms, and trying
(07:53):
to bully them through stuff like this is not It's
there's there's just no precedent or history of it really
working at all, And so I mean, you never know.
But for that, I think that's obviously the only question
that hangs out there. Is he willing to miss any games?
Would he do that? I still don't think so. I
still think when push comes to shove, Joe Burrow will
(08:16):
give him the nod on Labor Day and say let's go.
Time to go, And I think that changes it. But
I don't think anybody. I don't think anybody knows that.
I don't think Jamar has that answer for you yet
in his head. I don't think Jamar knows if he's
actually going to be willing to do that. I don't
think the Bengals know if he will actually be able
(08:39):
willing to do that. I think they're trying to get
day to day literally right now through this thing and
just keep focusing on what they got going on.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I feel for Zach Taylor even more now. I mean
in the middle of our practice yesterday when he's got
to come over and announce a bunch of other stuff
that we have to talk about, because a lot of
it was really interesting. But hey, he's day to day
and sort of have this look on it, like what do.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You want me to do?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Do? Man? Like I can't sign him. I'm trying to
coach the team, Like what do you want me to do?
Like I I feel. I know it's part of the job.
I know he's paid handsomely for that job. But it's
a part of the job that's really hard. There's nothing
it sucks.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's yeah, he's just he's just trying to explain something
that he can't talk about. So you just I mean, honestly,
it's been a pretty good run for Vague timelines, Zach,
I think has been he's going I think for the
Pulleitzer Prize and like vegue coach timelines. This year we
have we've had several the Dictionary making appearance with several
(09:38):
beautiful we have so well done. We had some time
showed up about Jake Browning, yesterday. We've had week to week,
day to day We've had I mean, it's just we
just keep getting new ones. In part of the plan communication.
I like my communication, like this is a lead. This
is Patrick Mahomes level timeline vegaries that we've gotten this year.
(10:01):
So I've actually enjoyed that part of it. It's a
lot of creativity. It's not Joe Burrow level. I mean,
I'm just trying to save you from the internet.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Man. The Internet is really sensitive today, really sensitive, very sensitive. Okay,
between getting mad at Tony and the fight over orange
pants and now there's a Matt Lee controversy. I'm just
trying to I'm trying to keep everybody out of the
shark infested internet water today.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I think if there's something that we need to do,
we do need to heed words from Joe Burrow and
is that you got to stop caring what other people think.
I think that's where I'm at with it. That Burrow
told us that I like that, I love Zaz stop
caring what other people think think, And I've lived that
model for a while. Yeah, it's a quarter to three.
Paul Danner Juniors here joins us.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Usually on Tuesdays, obviously with the Bengals practicing yesterday, we
are here today.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It's Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Bengals off to Chicago, playing the Bears on Saturday after
a joint practice tomorrow. The game on Saturday Live on
ESPN fifteen thirty kicks off at one o'clock. Pregame coverage
starts at nine oh five. There was a lot of
other really interesting stuff from yesterday. Paul also has at
the Athletic dot Com a fifty three man roster projection, which,
since it's not cut down day, isn't final. No things
(11:13):
could change, Yeah they're expected to. Yeah, things could change,
but we are going to spend some time on it.
And I need Paul's take on the simmering orange pants
debate that has enveloped the entire state of Ohio.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I love orange pants debate.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
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Speaker 1 (11:47):
Was I the most recent one yes, yes, Jane and
I have a camp report it from yesterday. But you
don't have to do camp reports when they don't practice. No, Now,
we leave that to Look, I'm not gonna try to
infringe on Tony's breastand that's his deal. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, the Jake Browning news yesterday he's gonna miss some
time with a rib issue. First of all, did that
contribute to him playing like the guy that I thought
we were gonna see when he had to play last
year on Saturday Night?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I don't think so. Otherwise, it lingered on through a practice.
I mean he was out there Monday. Logan Woodside gonna
be the backup week one. Hey, Logan Woodside firing dimes
into the to the sideline to Burten for touchdown.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I mean you're see a lot of Woodside guys. This
is it man, Logan Woodside day. That's right, that's what
you got. This was like when I got to Fantasy
Camp and I got to pitch. Yeah, well that might
be actually if Rocky Lombardy gets saved in all respect
to Rocky, but I've seen enough snaps to know that
that's probably be more yours. Yeah, sure, Yeah, Logan Woodside
(12:58):
has bounced around the NF. You know what it is?
Startling forget bounced carved out an NFL. I mean it's
from he's gotten paid from seventh round pick. The CUI
thing here is a rookie to now can still in
the league. I gotta go do that. I've been meaning
to go back and look at how many seventh round
picks from his draft are still in the league. I
need to go back and do that. Okay, I'm gonna
(13:20):
do that, right, I'm gonna do it. The next break,
I'm gonna say, yeah, that's not gonna. It's not gonna.
We have we have the tools available. Tools I want to.
I want to. I like to focus on our conversation.
I'm not gonna fade off into the distance.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So Joe Burrow like takes a hit and he's got
to miss a series week one. Do I have to
think that might be Logan Woodside.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I don't think so. Okay, I mean we're still a month.
I mean, I know it's just depressed. We've got a
lot of time to go. Oh we do we? I
mean when when we're in orange pants world and we
look and we see a ly four like four weeks
goodness till we get to that opener. So yeah, no,
(14:02):
we've got a ways to go, I think, Browning, I
think the hope is that everything will be okay by
that point.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
All right, so lots of different stuff, I guess it.
So much has happened since you and I podcasted your
the Grawlar podcast Balls Don't Lie and focused a lot
on a Marius mems in the fallout from that. I'm
gonna give Trent brown Here the benefit of the doubt.
I he was kind of a wet blanket when he
talked last week. Yeah, time has sort of run together, Yes, right,
(14:31):
but okay, fine, in the role that he was brought
here to play, can he get himself to a point
where he could be serviceable week one?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yes, the answer should be yes. Yeah. I mean at
the end of the day, I mean he's he was
nonchalant about it because he's kind of like men's is
a little well, too cool for school. This is what
I've been doing my whole life. Yeah, I kind of
don't really necessarily do all the things, and you're not
gonna be you know, and have all that stuff. And
I go out there and guess what you know who
I've been when I've played in games, and I think
(15:04):
his point is I can get to that level that
I've played in games before in the next month without
a problem.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
He won't be the guy that like when they do
the huddle before the game and the NFL films boom
microphone operators dipping his mic into the huddle. That won't
be Trent Brown leading the chorus. But he could play
at a decent enough level that were like I said yesterday,
if you went around the league and said back up
(15:29):
right tackle or Trent Brown, your backup right tackle or
Trent Brown, I think most coaches, most GMS, most offensive
line coaches would say, I'll take Trent Brown.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, so that's plan B. That's okay, Yeah, you would
prefer that. There weren't phrases like you know, what is
he north of three years seventy sixty five. I'm taking
a leap of faith here, I admit that, but but
I think that's again, that's the Trent We're living the
Trent Brown experience. This has been his reputation and his
(16:00):
other side of his reputation, beyond you know, having issues
with Wade and then playing all the time and he's
had lots of injuries, has been when he has been
out there, he's been pretty good, especially enough on an Island.
And last year you could see those numbers kind of
play themselves out. And and now he's gonna have theoretically
a month of reps next to Alex Kappa and with
(16:25):
the first team line to get fully up to speed
on on all the Bengals calls and chemistry and all
that stuff. And and you know, let's let's not forget
some of the people that have managed this position in
recent years, and they've been able to get by just fine.
I think Trent Brown is at the very least at
(16:45):
or above that level today. I hate this for Marius
Mems more than anything else. Yeah, you do all everything right, Yeah,
you come in and you're just killing it. And everybody
now just is like, you're the starter, right. I mean
to the point that even with the injury, they're like, ah,
you know what, if he comes back, I think we
still might want to be the starter like he really could.
(17:07):
And I think that's as encouraging of a sign as
you can have. And I we talked about this in
the pop but I am really curious to see how
they manage that if he comes back in week two,
three or four, whatever, and they you have to are
you just gonna replace Trent Brown or are you gonna do?
But that'd be fascinating. But to get himself to that
level that we're talking about him that way speaks to
(17:27):
how impressive he has been since showing up. I you know,
these snaps, this joint practice and whatever he was gonna
do in the games and then next week against the
culture was gonna be so critical he was gonna go
up against big time addressers, real starters because he hasn't.
(17:48):
He's done that sum here obviously, but not a ton
you had, Hubbard and Hendrickson have been out. They haven't
lined up in front of him, and so you get
you were gonna have that, and now to not have
that for a guy who you wanted to see that
next level of experience, you still believe in him, That's
that stinks, and that's something that everybody would have been
much more comfortable with. But you know, this is this
(18:09):
is it.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
As it relates to last Saturday night with Jermaine Burton.
What should be the bigger takeaway what we saw him
do when he got on the field or how long
it took for him to get on the field.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it. Yeah. I mean I
have a cup two mottos that I follow in the NFL.
Follow the money, follow the reps. Always, that's where the
truth lives. The truth always lives in the money and
the reps. So don't listen no word that you're told,
(18:41):
don't listen to press, don't follow the money, follow the reps.
So when Jermaine Burton had five reps through three quarters
of a preseason opener against Chicago, that was a major
red flag Tampa Bay. Yeah, thank you, I'm already thinking
about Chicago, Tampa Bay. But when that was a major
red and he comes in and makes a couple of
(19:03):
plays and is good, like he's what you would expect
a guy of his talent level to be against guys
of well that talent level. Right that we're out there
for Tampa. But and then what do you hear afterwards
from Joe Burrow needs to get his head in the playbook,
so couldn't get on the field. He needs to get
(19:23):
his head in the playbook. From the quarterback. How many
times have I sat in front of this microphone and
we've talked about. Trust with Joe Burrow is the absolute
most important quantity of anything you can have in that building,
and you know he's got to go gain that. He
needs to make big strides in that department, it seems,
I mean, that's that's the way it certainly sounds. In
(19:47):
order to be trusted by Joe Burrow, and that's the
only way he gets on the field, you know, because
if if nine doesn't trust you, they can't put you
out there because he won't. He won't tolerate that. When
there's other guys he does trust, they'd have to sit
down in order to do that. He has clearly all
the physical abilities in the world. But the snap count,
(20:09):
to me was a much bigger deal than the two plays.
We knew he could make those plays. Yeah, right, The
fact that they don't view him as being trusted to
even be out there. Amrius Mims was starting, yes, okay,
playing the whole like that's the deal, okay. And meanwhile,
you have another guy who you maybe thought was going
to be a part of your offensive profile this year,
(20:33):
not even getting into the game until when all the
scrubs come in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Well and plays a position where they're loaded, yes, loaded
with guys that Okay, we know Jamar and t but
beyond that that, Joe Burrow has expressed very explicitly that
he has trust in who might not have the same
athletic profile as Jermaine Burton, but has, in Trent Irwin's case,
has an established track record of obtaining Joe Burrow's trust.
(20:59):
And andre Yoshabas's case, you know, he's been here and
and Joe has gone out of his way to talk
about how much he trusts Andre. So when you play
that position and you don't have the quarterbacks trust, that
doesn't strike me as something you're going to be able
to gain in a couple of throwing sessions or a
couple of good practices, in large part because that trust
factor with those other guys isn't going to go away. Yeah, exactly.
(21:22):
And and he's got to do it on the field.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And if he's so far off that they can't even
get him in for a half a series or some
kind of package, at this point, you know, when the
season starts, you don't get reps with Joe, right, Yeah,
you don't, not if you're a sixth receiver on the
roster and so that becomes a lot hard. This was
that this is a time to be building that. So
(21:48):
finding that trust is going to be a big part.
And I mean it's not just talking about guys like
Andre and Charlie Jones or whatever. I mean, you're no
disrespect Kendrick Pryor and shed Je and Kwame Lasseter, but
you're behind those guys. Yeah yeah, So I mean, and
we're not talking about a sixth round pick. We are
(22:09):
talking to Day two guy, Day two first round talent,
raving about his physical ability and what he could be
for a while now. So yeah, I think big time
red flag moment on the snap count more so than
the plays because just because I think we've seen the
plays before.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
All right, I have like one, two, three, four or five,
so like nine other things.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Well, we got time, we do not much. We have
to get to Tony. You know, we did the lightning
round line. I like a good lightning round.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Okay, we're pretty good at all right, this is gonna
be a long lightning round, Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Next.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
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Speaker 1 (23:54):
With us for another few minutes. I don't I hope
Arren it's not just McCarthy. Addison off on a cart
today too. In the same day. Oh, I probably shouldn't
have brought it up, because Terrence gotta get through this
hole he go to get to the show and stuff. Yeah,
now I might have ruined that.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Sorry, well you're responsible now, Yeah, I know Terrence performance
on me.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Rest of the way.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
You did a fifty three man roster projection, what was
the position that.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Was toughest offensive line to the point that I, you know,
wrote more about it the day before. I was gonna
have the fifty three out on my whenever the day
of the MEMS injury, and there was so much to
dive into in that room on top of the MEMS injury,
I was like, I need space for this, like, and
(24:40):
we had Frank Pollack doing dancing bear conversations and all
that stuff was happening, and so I was like, I
did that needs It's it's really complicated, you know. I mean,
they could keep any number of guys I think, you know,
your top seven, but then they could keep eight, nine, ten,
They could keep a couple of undrafted guys, Jackson, Carmen,
(25:02):
thing happens, you've got you know, just there. It's just
all over the map. And you know, the word open
mindedness was used by Zach Taylor to my question about it.
That's gonna be some open mind is happening back there,
otherwise known as it's absolutely wide open at all those
positions beyond that type types I've include including how many
(25:24):
are actually gonna they're actually gonna keep at all? So
that was the hardest. And defensive line is no picnicking.
They have eleven defensive tackles. When you wrote that, like
I mean literally like took a step back. It's unbelievable.
And and and there's just they just have all of
these guys that they're just thrown into the mix, especially
(25:44):
with the McKinley Jackson injury, Like they don't have any
big other big body guys. I think Davis hasn't been
out there, and and and they just they're looking for
anything to help with that. And then it's certainly not
helped when you have the game happen on Saturday and
you see plays where Zach Carter and Chris Jenkins are
just getting you know, washed out of the middle or
(26:06):
pancaked out of the way, and Zach Carter not to
be not that that wasn't expected.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I was really disappointed relative to my expectations in Chris Jenkins.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, you know what, though, I think a guy in
his first NFL experience ever, I tend to give a
loose give benefit of the doubt too. I was disappointed
in that performance. Agreed, Yeah, I think you expected more
and didn't expect to see, you know, a five yard
(26:39):
touchdown run where he's on the other hash with a
guy on top of him, like and even in his
first experience. And there's plenty of time, you know, you learn,
you learn stuff, you figure it out as you go,
and they're going to be counting on that. But there
were some moments from Chris in that game that were
very disappointing starting spot. And so you just by the
(27:00):
time you get to this week and next, you can
start to kund him because he's need to be part
of that rotation and and you just start to wonder
how they're gonna stop the run because you don't have
DJ Reader and you are hoping that Jenkins could be
a part of that answer. You don't have a big
(27:21):
body guy that you can lean on. I mean, you
have Jackson, the ninety seventh overall pick who's hurt. Like,
I mean, there's there's a lot of questions there in
terms of what that's going to look like. And so
you you you would like to see a little bit
more progress. I think that you can get some positive
contribution there.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I think the thing that maybe has stood out to
me when I combined what I watched on Saturday with
reading your roster projection is there is an abundance of
riches in the secondary.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah. You know what though, And and I really I
really like talking to Dax after a game on Saturday
because and that's why, you know, I kind of put
him in the category after the game of a guy
that made me think more because I don't think we
expected him to look that good at outside corner, but
(28:14):
there were still some of those extra mistakes like that
deep not being able to locate. We've I've seen that
a lot in practice from him, and just stuff where
you're just not quite making the play even though you're
in position and that, and he kind of talked about
that like that's where he's at where he feels like
he's good and comfortable at a lot of the hardest stuff,
(28:34):
but that extra little bit that is just instincts of
a corner of when to turn and put your hand
up and win to knock the ball out, and like
that stuff you build over time playing that specific position.
He's still getting there and that was an example of
it on that play. But he's right there and that's
incur really, I mean a really really encouraged No, not
(28:55):
at all. No, you need to see more. You need
to see it our starters and a and we've you know,
we seen in camp days where you know guys have
beat him and you expect that. But I yeah, I
thought that was a really encouraging first performance from him.
And he is very understanding of what the next step
needs to be in the type of place he needs
to be able to make. But the fact that he's
(29:18):
in good position, looks looks comfortable, says he's comfortable, was
a big deal because now you feel better about everything.
Josh Newton, Yeah, you know you feel bad, man, Josh Newton.
That guy would be a great fifth corner. Yes, you
know what I mean, Like, that's a great fifth corner
to have you had him. I think with the second
you graded all the rookies.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, well all the draft picks, and I think he
had the second highest grade after Marius if I'm not
If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, one of the stories of camp,
that's your fifth corner, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And he seems to make a play every practice and
then then obviously gets the interception in the game, and
that's just been consistent. He's he's tenacious, he's confident, he's
sticky as a corner, like he's right there all the time,
and he just makes He's always making plays around the football,
and you know he's gonna have he has a ways
(30:06):
to go as a rookie in general, to get out
there and actually do it. But you know, I think
it's really encouraging with where all those guys are at.
They were banking on that. We spent a lot of
time talking about veteran corners and how they can maybe
add one. And I think you don't feel that way
after what has happened the first seeks to camp, because
you can go with the young guys comfortably. I've got
(30:26):
like ninety seconds. Yes, is the punter battle over? I
don't think so. I think this is more variables mo
now it's like, well, how long un till this hit
flex That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
When I saw yesterday Brad Robbins is walking off the field,
he's got a hip flex er.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
My thought is punter battle over. Maybe I don't. I mean,
I think there's enough on tape, you know enough about
Brad Robbins level that you still are going to have
it up to Rico to either go above it or
below it over the next couple of weeks and in
these last two games, and then Darren Simmons has a
(31:00):
decision to make assuming that Brad, if you're assuming that
he would be fully healthy and recovered by the time
the Why do you hate Matt Lee? Just hate him? No?
At least fine he's been. He hasn't been running with
the second team. Trey Hill has been running with the
second team until he played in Game one against in
(31:22):
the fourth and with the Scrubs and seem to do
okay there, and then now he rotated in a little
bit the last practice along with Trey Hills. They start
moving guys around to get a better look at him.
I don't hate him, okay, he could very easily make
the team. He just hasn't been in front of Trey
Hill at this point, I understand that seems fair. Totally. Yeah,
I apologize.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Are two teams in the same state both allowed to
have orange pants?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
No, you can't. I think the NFL should actually have
not let anyone have the same colored pants. All thirty
two teams should have different colors and shades.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
We're gonna have to go deep into the box of crayons, right,
get get the get the big Crayola pack out.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Okay, where you can say it's specifically a different shade.
I think I think we've come far enough that we
can make this, that we should make this happen and
just put up absolute rule no color sharing amongst pants
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
What's the schedule next week? Like, what's they got a
game on Thursday? So joint practice on Tuesday?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yes, okay, so Wednesday. We will be back back on Wednesday.
It will be a lot to discuss. There's a lot
of stuff that's gonna happen in a short amount of time.
There is, and then there's stuff that we haven't even
thought about that's gonna happen. Oh oh, I can't wait.
Maybe maybe Jamar Chase will be back in a hat,
or maybe he'll just be like hanging out on the
street corner trying to get Joe Burrow's autograph with the
(32:43):
fans or something that'd be fun. You're taking video content.
At least he's not l o ling the owner on
Twitter yet. Yeah. Yet, You never know, You never know.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Paul tannergan to read him in the Athletic ny Times
dot com as well, and get the podcast The Groular podcast,
most recent version had me on it. Balls Don't Lie,
and Paul is also podcasting daily after a training camp
with Jay Morrison. Thank you, sir, Thank you, Tony Pike
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