August 15, 2025 • 16 mins
Mike Sando from The Athletic does an annual exercise where he talks with over 50 NFL coaches and executives about the league's starting quarterbacks, breaking them down into tiers. He joined us to talk about this year's QB tiers, with an obvious focus on Joe Burrow.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ros, Cincinnati's sports station, ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, exactly five minutes after four o'clock. This is
ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Moeger. Thank you so much for
joining us. Hopefully your weekend is off to an awesome start.
We will jump back into Retz Brewers and one more
thought on yesterday's topic on Hunter Green coming up in
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I enjoy reading.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
This every August, and we're lucky enough to get Mike
Sando on with us every August. He does for Theathletic
dot Com Quarterback Tiers T I.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
E r S. We've had her, We've had a lot
of QB T e A r s.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But he separates quarterbacks into different tiers based on feedback
from people in the NFL coaches, head coaches, coordinators, GMS,
personnel folks. It's always a really good read. I like
the rankings. I like reading what is said about the
different quarterbacks. This year, Joe Burrow is a unanimous Tier
one QB. So as we bring Mike in for our
(01:01):
annual chat, first of all, thank you for joining us.
As always, I know you get pulled in a million
different directions to talk about these QB tiers. I would
imagine you've had no one from Cincinnati on Twitter yell
at you.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Well, yeah, not this year because unanimous tier one. I mean,
you can't do better than that. Was he supposed to
get fifty one out of fifty in tier one.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh oh, I'm sure I can find somebody who would
say something to that effect. Here.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
They might say Mahomes should be lowered, he should get Yeah,
he shouldn't be tied with Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Actually, I've heard from Kansas City fans saying, how can
anybody be.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
In Mahomes here?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So I think Mahomes is probably still in that top
spot until somebody stops him from playing in the Super
Bowl every year.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know, yeah, no, no, no question about that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
What I like doing with this is I like to
go back and look, and I like to go back
and see, you know, specifically with Joe Burrow here obviously,
how he's risen, you know, since he joined the NFL
and and what has been said about him. And what's
interesting is going back a couple of years, there's always
a defensive coach who talks about the amount of hits
that he takes. That's no different this year. Is that
(02:07):
refrain with him specifically being repeated more often than in
previous years.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I don't think so, because it seemed like he weathered
better last year. You know, I think it was talked
about more in terms of in the past, like is
it going to shorten his career?
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Is he going to be able to stay on the field.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I didn't feel that as much this year, But I
think he you know, he's obviously had injury issues entering
previous seasons or coming out of previous seasons, so he
feels a little cleaner that way this year, doesn't he.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
He does, yes, although you know, there were times last
year where it felt like, man, they're playing with fire.
He was on the run, took so many hits. Maybe
that's been rectified. I think the other thing that stands
out to me is if you go back a couple
of years when you were writing about Joe Burrow, there
was you know, there were people who told you, like,
pre snap, we still feel like we can fullham. We
feel like, you know, we can show him different looks.
(02:57):
And now it feels like that's maybe his biggest attreate
is that Is that a good way of looking at it?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's good yeah, I appreciate you going back and looking
at that. I think that is good context on him.
He's to a point now in his career, you know.
I think I think there was a comment in there
this year that you know, that's how you got to
try to beat him, right, or you know, you got
to try to try to fool him.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
But I think it's hard to do. Increasingly hard to do.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Is arm strength when you talk to folks, maybe still
the biggest reservation beyond the fact that he's hit a lot,
you know.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
It really doesn't come up.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I think when you when you throw, when you're a
great when you're an accurate thrower and an anticipatory thrower,
you know, you make up for that. I just think
of some of the great passers. I mean, Kurt Warner
was a great example. No one would put him on
a list of you know, the greatest arms in NFL history,
but he's one of the great passers. You know, his
best was deadly. So I think the Borough's arm strength
(03:50):
is just fine. I don't think he's like lacking an
arm strength. It's just you know, he's not he doesn't
have a maybe one hundred mile in their fastball. But
he's throwing in the nineties, you know, he's.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, no, you know that was the thing coming out
of coming out of college, right. There were folks who
are like, well, we don't know about the arm strength,
and I would think, you know, maybe he doesn't have
an absolute canon. The arm strength is plenty, and I
think we've seen that over the course of his career.
I get the sense in reading this, and you know,
the NFL is really good when quarterback play is really good.
There have been years where you've done this exercise where
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you've had as few as like three Tier one qbs.
This year you have double that amount. It feels like
when I read this and I see some of the
guys who are listed in Tier two and Tier three,
I feel like quarterback play is really healthy in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Would you agree.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
It's young.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I think that's that's what's different. I'm gonna I love
that you were looking at the past years. I did
this the other day and I looked at I pulled
up twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I just wanted to see, like, what did Tier two
look like in twenty twenty, And it's fascinating this is
Tier two in twenty twenty. Tom Brady Lamar Jackson, Ben Roethlisberger,
Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Carson, Wentz, Dak Prescott, and Philip
There's a lot of guys in there that are like,
you know, maybe they had been ones before and they're
kind of hanging on and they're in the twos now,
(05:08):
but they're still really good, right yeah. Uh, And now
it feels like such a younger group. I mean, that's
the old guy in there now, but Jaden Daniels, Herbert,
I guess, Goff's been around, but Stroud hurts, you know,
even Baker Mayfield, Jordan love Rock perty that this is
all new blood, Whereas I feel like those other guys
(05:28):
back then were, uh, you know, guys who you can
make a Hall of Fame case for, you know. And
so the league has gotten much younger at the position.
In fact, I think I did a column the startup
last year certainly in the last couple of years that
it was like the youngest Week one starter since the
nineteen fifties.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And so I feel that in here, you feel like
there's a lot of guys in that Tier two who
maybe have a chance to ascend or grow into it,
but they're not just guaranteed locks to be there forever necessarily.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Mike Sander was with us the Athletic dot Com. By
the way, I tweeted out a link if you want
to read the piece if you haven't already at moeger
Is it unfair to the people that you talk to that.
I was surprised to see Lamar Jackson get four Tier
two votes.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah, Josh Allen got three.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So I mean to me, that tells you more about
those voters than it does about the quarterbacks. Probably, you know,
I think there was one guy who just had Burrow
and Mahomes in Tier one.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I think there is.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
A you know, in some people, most most people are
going to value passing over rushing for quarterbacks just in general.
And so I think you may get somebody on the
extreme end of that who thinks, hey, Mahomes is in
his own class. He's in the super Bowl all the time,
and you know they're eleven and zero one score games.
He's the best finisher in the league. And then they
(06:43):
might say Burrow is the purest passer of the rest.
You know that that's the most sustainable trait is passing,
and so the most important trade and he's the best
at that, and then they may dock the Josh Allen
or the Lamar Jackson, who you know, maybe are a
little less consistent as passers, but you know, and rely
on their legs a little more. Even though I think
you can make a case that if you're a defensive coordinator,
(07:05):
shoot Josh Allen Lamar just might be a bigger pain
to prepare for than Mahomes Orborough.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, no, there's there's there's certainly validity too that I
should know this answer because I have gone back and
rode a bunch of the previous year's versions of this.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Are there other years where there's.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Been one guy by himself at the bottom and tier
five like Kenny Pickett this.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Year, I don't think so, you know, I didn't have
I wasn't.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Gonna put Kenny Pickett in to it at all. Like
there's there's multiple.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Guys like let me just look at my thing here,
like Mason Rudolph I had in it, Sam hal Jake Hayner,
Jameis Winston. I put a bunch of guys in it
just in case, because I start after the drafts and
you never know, like if something were to happen, right
like like I does before Rogers was signed. So you're like, Okay,
I gotta be ready, you know, or J. J. McCarthy's
(07:54):
coming off his knee. I better have Hall just in case, right,
And so at the end I make a decision to
exclude and you know, like Mason Rudolph, Sam Howl, Jake
Hayner would have gotten into Tier five too, but we
decided as a team, okay, let's put Picket in. And
so he was sort of a last minute edition. And
I don't know if it's fair to him to be
(08:15):
comparing into a bunch of guys, you know, with that
maybe had better prospects right now. But yeah, he's alone
in Tier five, and I actually think he could be
better than that. I think the situation matters a lot
for these guys. I don't think Pittsburgh was a good
situation when he went there those years with Matt Canada.
As I pointed out in the piece, I mean, the
offense was a tick better statistically under Canada when when
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Pickett was in there compared to Big Ben. Not the
picket was better, but I mean, you know, if Pickett
had gone to Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell, would he be
seen the same way right, Like I just feel like
I feel like, yeah, he's a five, but it's not
to make fun of you five, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, no, I well, I mean he's a browns QB,
so we have to make fun of him to a degree,
but from we're used to and I get yea, you know,
that's just how it works. I look forward to to
this list coming out every single year. So many NFL
fans do, and you're always kind enough to join us.
Thanks so much, Mike, appreciate the time.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Thank you, really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Read his work The Athletic dot Com Mike Sando separating
qbs into tiers. Joe Burrow unanimous Tier one QB for
the first time in twenty twenty three. For context, he
got forty nine of fifty Tier one votes.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
One guy.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
One voter had him a Tier two guy. I think
last year was a forty three seven split. He was
coming off an injury. This year fifty votes fifty Tier
one votes. There you go go. Read that at The
Athletic dot Com fourteen after four o'clock ESPN fifteen thirty
on Oeger. We have a big series this weekend. Look,
we'll put it in the right context. The Reds are
(09:49):
not catching the Milwaukee Brewers. So it's not like this
is a big series because hey, they can put a
dent into that lead Milwaukee has over them. But look, man,
it's a home series against a good opponent. They're set
to go out west. The Mets are floundering right now.
Blew another game last night. They've pulled within a half game.
(10:10):
So you know, like this, this is a playoff race.
I hate to say Pennant race because to me, Pennant
race is, you know, a first place chase. But this
is a playoff race, and it's also an opportunity for
the Reds to get a very up close look at
the franchise they should aspire to be. So I brought
(10:31):
this up about an hour ago with our guest Bill
Michaels from Milwaukee. You and I hear it, and you
may say this all the time right in the offseason,
especially if the Dodgers spent a lot of money on
a free agent or the Mets or the Yankees or
someone like that. There's always the refrain, right, Reds can't compete.
Reds can't compete with the Dodgers. And that's fine. Like,
(10:53):
if you want to take swings at baseball's economic structure.
That's completely fair. Maybe one day it'll look different, doubt
it ever will We will see. But okay, you can't
compete with the LA Dodgers. Can you compete with the
Milwaukee Brewers? You can't do what the Dodgers do? Can
you do what the Brewers do?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Milwaukee hasn't had a postseason breakthrough yet, which is why
I think this year is going to be interesting for
them because you know, let's say they are the one
seed in the National.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
League, but.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
They've made the postseason six out of seven years, and
parts of how they run their team you don't love
like you don't love letting Willie a Damas get away.
You don't love trading Corbyn Burns before you should. You
don't love trading Josh Hayter before you should. But regardless,
they're there every year, and so you know, this is
it's an up close look. Milwaukee figures it out. They're
(11:47):
in the postseason every year, they win the Central on
a regular basis. Can that tide turn in favor of
the Reds? The big Reds news of today is Chase Burns.
Chase Burns is going on the injured list. I cannot
emphasize this enough. I don't want to be I don't
want to be irresponsible, and I think it would be
(12:08):
irresponsible to act like I or anyone else knows that
this Chase Burns thing is not really about him being hurt.
It's they're trying to save them so they could use
them later. Right, there's only so many innings. We'd rather
have those innings come in September. We'd rather use him
when we're not having to keep as close an eye
on the innings because he's taken a couple of weeks off.
(12:32):
I don't want to be irresponsible and just say that
I've arrived at the conclusion that that's what they're doing.
But you kind of have to allow for the possibility,
and you might not, and you might do more than allow.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
For the possibility.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You might you might just acknowledge it's it's possible and
maybe even likely that this is what they're doing, and
if so, good for them. Manipulation is legal. Breaking the
rules is not manipulating. Thing is you're not allowed to
break the rules. Michigan football broke the rules. You're allowed
(13:06):
to manipulate things within the context of the rules. If
the Reds are doing that. Good for them. It's a
smart strategy. Again, maybe he's dealing with some discomfort, and
you know what he's he's dealing with discomfort. He could
probably keep pitching, but you know what, we'll just we'll
put him on the shelf. We're kind of stacked right
(13:26):
now in the starting rotation. We're okay, we don't need
him in the bullpen right now. Hopefully he gets healthy
come September one we expand the rosters, he's good to go.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It beats playing shorthanded, it beats not using him, but
keeping him on the active roster. So it's interesting. We'll see.
If I had to guess, I guess that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
But it's just a guess. We'll see.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty is our
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column in The Inquirer. Also, something I cannot emphasize enough.
When we talk about what someone wrote, we're not talking
about the person who wrote it. We're talking about the
idea that was put forth. This is and I hate
that this is what this becomes. Because I saw it
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on social media, like Jason did his job. He wrote
a thought provoking piece. It created conversation. I disagree with
the idea like that's that's fine, that's that's that's good.
It's not about Jason as a guy, and I hate
that that's where this goes sometimes. Anyway, he he kind
of defended himself and defended his take on his back
(14:39):
and forth with Gordon Wittenmeyer, which I liked. I liked
he threw a shade at some folks on social media.
He might have thrown some shade at me. Hell I
have no idea and I don't care. The Hunter Green situation,
the Hunter Green conversation, I should say, it takes place
against the backdrop of what a pe There is to
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be a little bit of a disconnect between the Reds
and how they would have liked to have seen Hunter
Green handle his recovery and rehab and how Hunter Green
actually handled his recovery and rehab. I don't think you
have to read too much between the lines to arrive
at the conclusion that the club, the organization, and Hunter
(15:23):
Green were not exactly on the same page. And I
don't think it would be far fetched if someone suggested
that there's a little bit of a disconnect between Hunter
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We will jump back into Retz Brewers and one more
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fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I enjoy reading.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
This every August, and we're lucky enough to get Mike
Sando on with us every August. He does for Theathletic
dot Com Quarterback Tiers T I.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
E r S. We've had her, We've had a lot
of QB T e A r s.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But he separates quarterbacks into different tiers based on feedback
from people in the NFL coaches, head coaches, coordinators, GMS,
personnel folks. It's always a really good read. I like
the rankings. I like reading what is said about the
different quarterbacks. This year, Joe Burrow is a unanimous Tier
one QB. So as we bring Mike in for our
(01:01):
annual chat, first of all, thank you for joining us.
As always, I know you get pulled in a million
different directions to talk about these QB tiers. I would
imagine you've had no one from Cincinnati on Twitter yell
at you.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Well, yeah, not this year because unanimous tier one. I mean,
you can't do better than that. Was he supposed to
get fifty one out of fifty in tier one.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh oh, I'm sure I can find somebody who would
say something to that effect. Here.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
They might say Mahomes should be lowered, he should get Yeah,
he shouldn't be tied with Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Actually, I've heard from Kansas City fans saying, how can
anybody be.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
In Mahomes here?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So I think Mahomes is probably still in that top
spot until somebody stops him from playing in the Super
Bowl every year.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know, yeah, no, no, no question about that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
What I like doing with this is I like to
go back and look, and I like to go back
and see, you know, specifically with Joe Burrow here obviously,
how he's risen, you know, since he joined the NFL
and and what has been said about him. And what's
interesting is going back a couple of years, there's always
a defensive coach who talks about the amount of hits
that he takes. That's no different this year. Is that
(02:07):
refrain with him specifically being repeated more often than in
previous years.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I don't think so, because it seemed like he weathered
better last year. You know, I think it was talked
about more in terms of in the past, like is
it going to shorten his career?
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Is he going to be able to stay on the field.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I didn't feel that as much this year, But I
think he you know, he's obviously had injury issues entering
previous seasons or coming out of previous seasons, so he
feels a little cleaner that way this year, doesn't he.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
He does, yes, although you know, there were times last
year where it felt like, man, they're playing with fire.
He was on the run, took so many hits. Maybe
that's been rectified. I think the other thing that stands
out to me is if you go back a couple
of years when you were writing about Joe Burrow, there
was you know, there were people who told you, like,
pre snap, we still feel like we can fullham. We
feel like, you know, we can show him different looks.
(02:57):
And now it feels like that's maybe his biggest attreate
is that Is that a good way of looking at it?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's good yeah, I appreciate you going back and looking
at that. I think that is good context on him.
He's to a point now in his career, you know.
I think I think there was a comment in there
this year that you know, that's how you got to
try to beat him, right, or you know, you got
to try to try to fool him.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
But I think it's hard to do. Increasingly hard to do.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Is arm strength when you talk to folks, maybe still
the biggest reservation beyond the fact that he's hit a lot,
you know.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
It really doesn't come up.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I think when you when you throw, when you're a
great when you're an accurate thrower and an anticipatory thrower,
you know, you make up for that. I just think
of some of the great passers. I mean, Kurt Warner
was a great example. No one would put him on
a list of you know, the greatest arms in NFL history,
but he's one of the great passers. You know, his
best was deadly. So I think the Borough's arm strength
(03:50):
is just fine. I don't think he's like lacking an
arm strength. It's just you know, he's not he doesn't
have a maybe one hundred mile in their fastball. But
he's throwing in the nineties, you know, he's.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, no, you know that was the thing coming out
of coming out of college, right. There were folks who
are like, well, we don't know about the arm strength,
and I would think, you know, maybe he doesn't have
an absolute canon. The arm strength is plenty, and I
think we've seen that over the course of his career.
I get the sense in reading this, and you know,
the NFL is really good when quarterback play is really good.
There have been years where you've done this exercise where
(04:21):
you've had as few as like three Tier one qbs.
This year you have double that amount. It feels like
when I read this and I see some of the
guys who are listed in Tier two and Tier three,
I feel like quarterback play is really healthy in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Would you agree.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
It's young.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I think that's that's what's different. I'm gonna I love
that you were looking at the past years. I did
this the other day and I looked at I pulled
up twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I just wanted to see, like, what did Tier two
look like in twenty twenty, And it's fascinating this is
Tier two in twenty twenty. Tom Brady Lamar Jackson, Ben Roethlisberger,
Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Carson, Wentz, Dak Prescott, and Philip
There's a lot of guys in there that are like,
you know, maybe they had been ones before and they're
kind of hanging on and they're in the twos now,
(05:08):
but they're still really good, right yeah. Uh, And now
it feels like such a younger group. I mean, that's
the old guy in there now, but Jaden Daniels, Herbert,
I guess, Goff's been around, but Stroud hurts, you know,
even Baker Mayfield, Jordan love Rock perty that this is
all new blood, Whereas I feel like those other guys
(05:28):
back then were, uh, you know, guys who you can
make a Hall of Fame case for, you know. And
so the league has gotten much younger at the position.
In fact, I think I did a column the startup
last year certainly in the last couple of years that
it was like the youngest Week one starter since the
nineteen fifties.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And so I feel that in here, you feel like
there's a lot of guys in that Tier two who
maybe have a chance to ascend or grow into it,
but they're not just guaranteed locks to be there forever necessarily.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Mike Sander was with us the Athletic dot Com. By
the way, I tweeted out a link if you want
to read the piece if you haven't already at moeger
Is it unfair to the people that you talk to that.
I was surprised to see Lamar Jackson get four Tier
two votes.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah, Josh Allen got three.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So I mean to me, that tells you more about
those voters than it does about the quarterbacks. Probably, you know,
I think there was one guy who just had Burrow
and Mahomes in Tier one.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I think there is.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
A you know, in some people, most most people are
going to value passing over rushing for quarterbacks just in general.
And so I think you may get somebody on the
extreme end of that who thinks, hey, Mahomes is in
his own class. He's in the super Bowl all the time,
and you know they're eleven and zero one score games.
He's the best finisher in the league. And then they
(06:43):
might say Burrow is the purest passer of the rest.
You know that that's the most sustainable trait is passing,
and so the most important trade and he's the best
at that, and then they may dock the Josh Allen
or the Lamar Jackson, who you know, maybe are a
little less consistent as passers, but you know, and rely
on their legs a little more. Even though I think
you can make a case that if you're a defensive coordinator,
(07:05):
shoot Josh Allen Lamar just might be a bigger pain
to prepare for than Mahomes Orborough.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, no, there's there's there's certainly validity too that I
should know this answer because I have gone back and
rode a bunch of the previous year's versions of this.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Are there other years where there's.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Been one guy by himself at the bottom and tier
five like Kenny Pickett this.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Year, I don't think so, you know, I didn't have
I wasn't.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Gonna put Kenny Pickett in to it at all. Like
there's there's multiple.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Guys like let me just look at my thing here,
like Mason Rudolph I had in it, Sam hal Jake Hayner,
Jameis Winston. I put a bunch of guys in it
just in case, because I start after the drafts and
you never know, like if something were to happen, right
like like I does before Rogers was signed. So you're like, Okay,
I gotta be ready, you know, or J. J. McCarthy's
(07:54):
coming off his knee. I better have Hall just in case, right,
And so at the end I make a decision to
exclude and you know, like Mason Rudolph, Sam Howl, Jake
Hayner would have gotten into Tier five too, but we
decided as a team, okay, let's put Picket in. And
so he was sort of a last minute edition. And
I don't know if it's fair to him to be
(08:15):
comparing into a bunch of guys, you know, with that
maybe had better prospects right now. But yeah, he's alone
in Tier five, and I actually think he could be
better than that. I think the situation matters a lot
for these guys. I don't think Pittsburgh was a good
situation when he went there those years with Matt Canada.
As I pointed out in the piece, I mean, the
offense was a tick better statistically under Canada when when
(08:39):
Pickett was in there compared to Big Ben. Not the
picket was better, but I mean, you know, if Pickett
had gone to Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell, would he be
seen the same way right, Like I just feel like
I feel like, yeah, he's a five, but it's not
to make fun of you five, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, no, I well, I mean he's a browns QB,
so we have to make fun of him to a degree,
but from we're used to and I get yea, you know,
that's just how it works. I look forward to to
this list coming out every single year. So many NFL
fans do, and you're always kind enough to join us.
Thanks so much, Mike, appreciate the time.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Thank you, really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Read his work The Athletic dot Com Mike Sando separating
qbs into tiers. Joe Burrow unanimous Tier one QB for
the first time in twenty twenty three. For context, he
got forty nine of fifty Tier one votes.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
One guy.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
One voter had him a Tier two guy. I think
last year was a forty three seven split. He was
coming off an injury. This year fifty votes fifty Tier
one votes. There you go go. Read that at The
Athletic dot Com fourteen after four o'clock ESPN fifteen thirty
on Oeger. We have a big series this weekend. Look,
we'll put it in the right context. The Reds are
(09:49):
not catching the Milwaukee Brewers. So it's not like this
is a big series because hey, they can put a
dent into that lead Milwaukee has over them. But look, man,
it's a home series against a good opponent. They're set
to go out west. The Mets are floundering right now.
Blew another game last night. They've pulled within a half game.
(10:10):
So you know, like this, this is a playoff race.
I hate to say Pennant race because to me, Pennant
race is, you know, a first place chase. But this
is a playoff race, and it's also an opportunity for
the Reds to get a very up close look at
the franchise they should aspire to be. So I brought
(10:31):
this up about an hour ago with our guest Bill
Michaels from Milwaukee. You and I hear it, and you
may say this all the time right in the offseason,
especially if the Dodgers spent a lot of money on
a free agent or the Mets or the Yankees or
someone like that. There's always the refrain, right, Reds can't compete.
Reds can't compete with the Dodgers. And that's fine. Like,
(10:53):
if you want to take swings at baseball's economic structure.
That's completely fair. Maybe one day it'll look different, doubt
it ever will We will see. But okay, you can't
compete with the LA Dodgers. Can you compete with the
Milwaukee Brewers? You can't do what the Dodgers do? Can
you do what the Brewers do?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Milwaukee hasn't had a postseason breakthrough yet, which is why
I think this year is going to be interesting for
them because you know, let's say they are the one
seed in the National.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
League, but.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
They've made the postseason six out of seven years, and
parts of how they run their team you don't love
like you don't love letting Willie a Damas get away.
You don't love trading Corbyn Burns before you should. You
don't love trading Josh Hayter before you should. But regardless,
they're there every year, and so you know, this is
it's an up close look. Milwaukee figures it out. They're
(11:47):
in the postseason every year, they win the Central on
a regular basis. Can that tide turn in favor of
the Reds? The big Reds news of today is Chase Burns.
Chase Burns is going on the injured list. I cannot
emphasize this enough. I don't want to be I don't
want to be irresponsible, and I think it would be
(12:08):
irresponsible to act like I or anyone else knows that
this Chase Burns thing is not really about him being hurt.
It's they're trying to save them so they could use
them later. Right, there's only so many innings. We'd rather
have those innings come in September. We'd rather use him
when we're not having to keep as close an eye
on the innings because he's taken a couple of weeks off.
(12:32):
I don't want to be irresponsible and just say that
I've arrived at the conclusion that that's what they're doing.
But you kind of have to allow for the possibility,
and you might not, and you might do more than allow.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
For the possibility.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You might you might just acknowledge it's it's possible and
maybe even likely that this is what they're doing, and
if so, good for them. Manipulation is legal. Breaking the
rules is not manipulating. Thing is you're not allowed to
break the rules. Michigan football broke the rules. You're allowed
(13:06):
to manipulate things within the context of the rules. If
the Reds are doing that. Good for them. It's a
smart strategy. Again, maybe he's dealing with some discomfort, and
you know what he's he's dealing with discomfort. He could
probably keep pitching, but you know what, we'll just we'll
put him on the shelf. We're kind of stacked right
(13:26):
now in the starting rotation. We're okay, we don't need
him in the bullpen right now. Hopefully he gets healthy
come September one we expand the rosters, he's good to go.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It beats playing shorthanded, it beats not using him, but
keeping him on the active roster. So it's interesting. We'll see.
If I had to guess, I guess that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
But it's just a guess. We'll see.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty is our
phone number. We talked a lot yesterday about Jason Williams's
column in The Inquirer. Also, something I cannot emphasize enough.
When we talk about what someone wrote, we're not talking
about the person who wrote it. We're talking about the
idea that was put forth. This is and I hate
that this is what this becomes. Because I saw it
(14:18):
on social media, like Jason did his job. He wrote
a thought provoking piece. It created conversation. I disagree with
the idea like that's that's fine, that's that's that's good.
It's not about Jason as a guy, and I hate
that that's where this goes sometimes. Anyway, he he kind
of defended himself and defended his take on his back
(14:39):
and forth with Gordon Wittenmeyer, which I liked. I liked
he threw a shade at some folks on social media.
He might have thrown some shade at me. Hell I
have no idea and I don't care. The Hunter Green situation,
the Hunter Green conversation, I should say, it takes place
against the backdrop of what a pe There is to
(15:00):
be a little bit of a disconnect between the Reds
and how they would have liked to have seen Hunter
Green handle his recovery and rehab and how Hunter Green
actually handled his recovery and rehab. I don't think you
have to read too much between the lines to arrive
at the conclusion that the club, the organization, and Hunter
(15:23):
Green were not exactly on the same page. And I
don't think it would be far fetched if someone suggested
that there's a little bit of a disconnect between Hunter
Green and his teammates as a result. If that's the case,
let's not trade them, Let's do something else. I'll tell
you what that is next on ESPN fifteen.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
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Ronald Reagan Highway. That's over seventy one three minute delay.
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