August 26, 2025 • 35 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to talk about Trey Hendrickson's new deal, cutdown day, and Boomer Esiason being asked to pay his own way for Ring of Honor weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, what's up to afternoon? Malagor ESPN fifteen Arty.
Thank you for listening. Hopefully you're having an unbelievable Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We are stoked because we're basically outside on a gorgeous
Tuesday afternoon. We are posting up at Oakley Greens. We
cannot thank the folks at Oakley Greens enough. We're having
us today and every single Tuesday if you haven't been
here yet.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Located in Oakley Station, right behind the movies, tons of
on site parking, tons of free on site parking. The
TV setup is perfect, whether you're thinking about a Bengals
game day, whether you're thinking about UC versus Nebraska on
Thursday night, they'll have a watch party for that obviously,
Ohio State and Texas on Saturday as well. It's the
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kickoff weekend of college football. You can watch every game
here at Oakley Greens. The staff is unbelievable. They have
two bars inside and out, great food, miniature golf close
to Paul Danner Junior's house.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh my, I know that, like you really wanted to
talk about I want to talk about Oakley Greens. Okay,
I want to thank them personally. Yeah, because I appreciate
all the places that we've gone to as we've done
these Tuesday shows. We've we've been everywhere. Yes, we've done everywhere,
but never have we been in my neighborhood at one
of my favorite places right literally, bring my kids up
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here all the time. They're always playing on the playground.
I sit, have drinks, watch whatever the games are, and
it makes it one of my favorite places, right around
the corner from my house. God bless you for giving
me home games.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, what I like about this place in terms of
like doing the show is, first of all, it's uh,
it's not that far from the radio station. Second, I
got my grocery shopping done before I came here.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Oh, there's a Kroger right there.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
There is a Kroger. Right. It's everything right here. Yeah,
my kids where my kids used to go to daycares.
Over here you can go. You have many different places
that you can get chicken, and many different places where
you can work out, all in one complex.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, we've got it all for We've got a place
here that you can grab a cold one, you can
play mini golf, you could watch sports, you could have dinner,
you can get ice cream, you can bring your family.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Sometimes you run into Tony Pike in the bunker room.
That's happened to me before.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You can't you Tony just hang We.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Were hanging out in there and all of a sudden,
Tony Pike and all his crew came in, invaded, and
they were renting out that room one day.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So we're so stoked to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Hopefully you join us one Tuesday between now and the
end of the season. And it's great for a day
like this where the weather is perfect, but when things
get colder later in the football season, we'll be able
to go inside and the inside setup is going to
be awesome as well.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
There are only a few things to discuss.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We're fifty four minutes away from finding out about what
the Bengals fifty three man roster looks like for at
least a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Sure, Yeah, I mean that's just it. I don't know
how much I get it. You want to be excited
for some of the guys that'll be like I made it,
yeah and there, but you wanna be like not yet.
Still another site or two to make sure that you
get through. But there's definitely gonna be a few decisions
that are hanging out.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
There that we don't know yet. All right, we're gonna
get to all that. We got to start with Trey
Hendrickson obviously. Yeah, I like this. I like this for me, Yeah,
I like this as a fan. You know, you wrote
about who wins? You needed a podcast on this. He
wrote about why we got here, and the overriding message
was the Bengals clearly didn't have any interest in Trey
Hendrickson in twenty twenty six. I will be honest with you,
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I don't care about the twenty twenty six Bengals. Yeah,
I care about the twenty twenty five version that Al
Golden has to fix the defense on, and now he knows.
Even if you were skeptical that Trey was ever going
to miss a game, this isn't hanging over. It's not
even hanging over next week. It's not hanging over this week.
It's not gonna loom over the preparation for the Cleveland Browns.
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I will worry about the twenty twenty six Bengals the
minute this year's team has played its last down. So
I don't care. I just wanted with so many things
unsettled with this team. I wanted one thing to get settled.
This got settled, at least for this year. That's that's
one hundred percent true. And that's that's the winner.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I mean, that was kind of when we talk about
winners and losers, if the winners are the twenty twenty
five Bengals. And that's all that the Bengals front office
really cared much about right now because they needed two things.
They needed. They needed Trey in here because they just
don't have answers right now, and they needed time to
find other answers in the long run, and they have
both of those now. And they didn't They did not
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want to give Trey the one thing that he wanted.
He wanted security beyond this year. He wanted guaranteed money
in year two. And what was consistent from the very
first day to yesterday was the Bengals had no interest
in that. They weren't gonna do that, and the plan
maybe they wanted to look like they did and and
I think that they made a kind of an attempt
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check sort of not really, I mean they because they're
because they would have easily they could have easily done
it if they if they would have taken some money
or a real deal in the first two years or
guaranteed whatever. They could have done that right, they didn't,
and that's fine. The thing is, though, you have to
think about this year's team and next year's team. This
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the time for Schamar to learn about, Shamar Stewart to
learn about I guess Miles Murphy to learn about next
year in free agency, next year's draft. You can fix
all of that. But you what you couldn't do was
sit here and say we're just gonna have Trey be
mad or they're not willing to care about beyond the
age thing mattered too much for them to go and
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give that second your money. So what you get is this,
You get a team that is saying, we're gonna kind
of do what we've done before with these types of situations.
We're gonna force the franchise tag and somebody we're gonna
just kind of assume they're gonna walk to free agency,
like t Higgins even though he didn't. Jonah Williams is
gonna play out this last year, Jamar Chase, We're not
gonna get the deal done. We'll get you next year, though, Buddy,
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and those situations have largely worked out pretty well. And
I think that in a situation now where they're gonna
get a very even by blackout Trey Sanders, a very
angry man coming off the edge awsom for your quarterbacks, right,
so you get a super motivated Trey Hendrickson in his
last year here. I think they feel like this maybe
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quietly is what they were trying to kind of bully
him into all along with something that looked like this.
And he gets fourteen million dollars. Yeah, so that's good.
That's that's that's the price they pay to get the
security of the Bengals saying one year only, fine by me. Yeah,
Trey gets they had the money.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Trey gets a consolation prize of basically they double his salary.
He can call himself among the highest paid defensive players
in the sport for this coming season if he wants,
you know, among as a general sort of open that
to term, I guess.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
But he My thing was, can we just get this done?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So I know he's gonna play against the Browns and
so they they they at least have last year's best
defensive player on the While I have no faith in
Al Golden's defense in the first game based on what
I saw in training camp in the preseason, like, can
we just get so My view was simplistic and limited,
and I will admit that, but I feel like I
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feel like that's where most fans are.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah. Well, the thing is they're gonna need while the
rest of it gets figured out. Okay, So whatever happens
defensively in these first few weeks or first month, or
however long it's gonna take for them to figure out
what their level actually is, they're gonna need their stars
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to carry them on offense and trade a close games. Yep,
that's what it's gonna have to look like until the
rest of that finds its way. And they've won a
lot of games with that formula in the past, sure,
And so I think that you can look at that
and say, the defense can be good enough, the offense
can get us leads, Trey can put it away at
the end or help put it away at the end,
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and that can get you to the point that's really
gonna matter in terms of this team super Bowl aspirations
is on November third, How good is this defense?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
But to get to that point and not be in
a hole like people are familiar with in recent years,
is gonna be the key, and I think one of
the biggest things you're getting and getting this trade thing
done and getting him in here.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
My first thought was this could be viewed as a
one year contract with a one year option because of
the franchise tag. You didn't in your piece today for
the Athletic. Didn't just throw cold water on that. You
took it and dunked it in the toilet. Well, I
just gave it a swirling.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I did.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I did. Maybe that was aggressive, but the idea of
the Bengals giving a franchise tag that appears like it'll
land in the thirty eight range one year thirty eight
when we consider what they just negotiated, and he'll only
be a year older, and how out on twenty twenty
six Trey Hendrickson they have been this whole year. Now
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there's a chance if Trey goes out and sets the
SAX record and has twenty two sacks and it shows
no signs of slowing down, I'm sure there's a world
where they consider it. I don't see it. I just
you know, they continue to bet on the cliff coming
and following. In fairness, the history of thirty plus year
(09:19):
old Edge rushers and not wanting to go that direction.
I believe I see it the same way. I wouldn't
want anything to do with that. That can change, I guess,
But that's a big that's a big dollar figure, and
it goes against everything that they've kind of been about
throughout this entire offseason with him.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
There has been reporting in recent weeks that the Bengals
have started to listen to trade offers for Trey.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
That made no sense to me, because that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Really help you this year unless you get a a
player who's comparable to Trey Hendrickson in good luck with that.
Understanding that this has how it ended, many have said
they should have traded him back in March. Is that
still a way of looking at it? Would would that
have been the preferable outcome compared to what the outcome
actually ended up being.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
In my opinion, Yes, I've stated this since March. I
mean I remember you asking me about writing they should
trade Trey Hendrickson in February. It was that was the
method to get I thought, to get the most out
of the Al Golden rebuild, knowing that you weren't going
to go to an extension. The idea of just pouring
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thirty million dollars, you know, into Trey Henderson. What's what
would have been worth? More? Like, what could you have
made a better team with thirty million dollars plus let's
say a second round pick, thirty million in free agency
an and a Day two pick or having Trey hendrickson
for this year And that's counting the longevity you get
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out of the free agency spend and the and draft pick.
I considering the direction they were going and rebuild it
that they've done and getting young and counting on a
bunch of young players, and that being Al Golden's thing,
to me, that was probably a way to fix more
of the holes that we're talking about right now. Okay,
we're talking about guard, We're talking about safety, we're talking
about defensive tackle, we're talking all of these things. Were
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talking about edge. Sure, you could have checked off three
of those boxes with ten million dollar players and thrown
a second round pick at it now and you feel
like you have a little bit more of the complete
roster that you're looking for. I understand wanting to make
Trey happy. I understand the idea of Trey is a
great player, and you just can't find those guys and
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the Super Bowl window and Burrows saying sign Trey and
all of that stuff, and I understand how it lands here.
What I said at the time, and I still think
feels the same, is the proactive GM, the one that
looks forward, the one that is able to spin the
next generation of the teams properly. Are the ones that
execute those types of moves with a little bit more
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forward vision and less of a one year band aid
and see in a few months. It just felt like
that was the opportunity to make that move and really
be aggressive to covering up all the holes that existed
on this roster like they were. They're so top heavy,
and it leaves them You just how do you not
watch the preseason and some of the stuff we've seen
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at camp and not say, man, feels like depth might
cutch up to this team at some point.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, I mean, it feels like they are finishing up
an incomplete offseason that could have been made more complete
with maybe one more.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Pick, which is weird to say when we consider where
this started with Joe Burrow putting four boxes on the
wall and then checking all of them. Yeah. Right, so,
but it's just when you do that one, it got
done in a way that left everybody not feeling great
about themselves, right right. And then two, doing that meant
that there were a bunch of other smaller ones that
all feel like a much bigger box now together. And
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and that's kind of the you know, the concern of the.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Deal got finalized what yesterday afternoon?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Has Trey started to complain about it yet? It's been
about twenty four.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Hours, not long. I don't know. We'll talk to him.
We haven't talked to him yet. He seemed very happy
in the website piece, so maybe that's so. At least
the initial happiness is still there. We'll see how he
feels about it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
On uh, I noticed and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They tweeted out a picture of Trey like on the
field playing the game. There was no picture of him
smiling signing the contract.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, I know, which is significant. We had a bet
on our podcast for people to send in what date
the wall pick will be released? Released the pick of
the guy in front of the wall signing with a smile,
And I don't know if Trey was like, look I didn't.
I've been getting clowned on that one a little bit.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, for a while. We still have been hanging in
our studio back in ken Was.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So, so perhaps just send out a picture of me
and say we've revised his contract and call it a day.
I don't know, So I'm waiting to see because they
are there are bets hanging in the balance that people
sent in to try to collect on depending on what
happens with that that photo being put out or not.
So what I'm I'm watching closely.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
The last order of business though, as it relates to Trey,
is it going to be a captain?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
What a surprise that would be if he was captain.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I think this was like one of the sticking points, right,
guy wants to be a captain.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Maybe maybe that's the one thing that got slipped into
the contract.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Must have se on chests so he was bought it, okay,
But I mean he was around. By everybody's accounts, he
was hands on and helpful and working with the other
guys on the defense. So maybe maybe there's some captaincy
vibes coming off of that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I've always wanted to see the others receiving votes category
and the captain vote. I just want to see some
of the extras that get thrown. That's why whenever it's
like you see one vote for like cow Fullerton, how'd
they get them? Oh, you know the one vote on
the end. I kind of want to just I'd love
to see the full vote laid out in front of me.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Hockey, like Trey would show up and in hockey and
they have captains and they have the assistant captain, they
put an A on his chest.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
We could do that in football.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah. Also receiving votes AARV you and then it has
the number of stars is how many also votes you received?
Like I got three?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, I'm already excited. I've blocked out segments for February.
Hopefully it's February when we start to talk about Trey
on the tag.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
On the tag, Yeah, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, it will not be great.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
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will pair the roster down to fifty three coming up
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away from finding out what the next version of the
Bengals fifty three man roster is going to look like.
Many of the cuts have already sort of trickled out.
Has anything surprising happened so far?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I mean, I think we have to start at the
most important, and that is the long snapper battle has
been settled. Yes, surprise, yes, Will Wagner.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
How about that the.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Undrafted rookie out of Michigan's plants cal adamitis. I have
a feeling that if they can, they will be trying
to keep cal around right just in case there are hiccups.
How do you feel about this?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Not great?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I don't feel great, not great at all. I understand
that there was some issue with cal last year, reason
that there's competition in camp. That was very pointed that said,
it's just bringing another variable that you don't know about
and changing the operation again. For Evan McPherson in games,
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I mean, Will Wagner played at Michigan. He did this
job in front of one hundred thousand people and in
all the biggest stages. I'm okay, like I get it.
I don't think he's gonna be rattled in front of
the dog Pound necessarily, but it is gonna be his
first time out there. It is gonna be the first
time that he is snapped. If it's the game winner,
if it's sixteen fourteen Browns with three seconds left and
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you're lining up from forty eight, and what is it
gonna be? The thing that's gonna be on your mind.
Probably not the kicker. It's probably gonna be Oh, how
is the rookie snapper gonna do it? You don't want
to be thinking like that. And he may be fine, sure,
Like there's plenty of times where this works out. Fine,
he's fine, and obviously they felt like he was the
better player. I just would when we hear so much
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about out the operation constantly changing for Evan and needing
to have confidence and trusting that is a big part
of his getting back in the in the swing of things.
It's like then you're changing it again. But obviously he
did really well in camp, he did really well in
the preseason games. They like where Evan's at and Will
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Wagner was a part of that, so perhaps you have
to trust it to a certain extent. But makes me
a little squirrely.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I read your projection of what the fifty three man
would look like and with the caveat that that is
very likely to change between today at four o'clock and
maybe by tomorrow. But when you broke down long snaper,
I'd read that thinking, Okay, it was a tie. So
the tiebreaker is familiarity in continuity where there hasn't been
a lot of that in that particular group for a while.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, and I guess it wasn't a tie. Yeah, maybe
there was a couple of snaps. They felt like they
saw that Cow wasn't quite as you know, on points
as Will Wagner was, and so they went that way.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So what's the frustrating to me, and I think to
a lot of people, is four o'clock today they have
to go shopping for a guard and a safety and
maybe other position defensive tackle, defensive tackle. I could have
said that the day of the season ended last year.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
That's right, they've got to go.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Shopping for guard, safety, and defensive tackle. The next season
is twelve days away, and they've got to go shopping
for a guard, safety, and defensive tackle. Injury has affected this,
but I don't think that drastically. I think had injury
not affected those positions, we would still be saying the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, I mean, and this is kind of this is
exactly what I was referring to in the thirty million
dollar Trey Henderson conversation, is you could have ten million
dollar players in those spots if you wanted to. No.
I think that, Yeah, there is some injury element, but
it's also some what's naturally going to happen. They never
saw development from any of the people that were kind
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of thrown into that mix. I remember us often talking
about the royal rumbleick guard and all these players who's
gonna rise up. No one really did like outside of
Dylan Fairchild, Yes, there's one player who showed up and
took a job. Everybody else kind of just stood around
and shrugged a little bit and and didn't really do
that much to impress. Maybe you're starting to see something
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from Jalen Rivers, you know. But outside of that, yeah,
there's nothing really happened there. And you can say the
same thing at defensive tackle. Some of the bodies that
they threw at it in there, and and maybe Howard
Cross makes this team, but they need to upgrade that.
You know, McKinley Jackson has fallen into a doghouse. It
seems like a lot. He's played a lot. On Saturday,
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I said, if you're out there in the fourth quarter
of that game, you are not feeling good about where
they how they view you.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I was, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
As the game went on, my attention started to drift,
and then I heard Mike Watts calling the game and
he mentioned, I'm like, whoa.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, whoa, My guy's still in there in the fourth quarner.
It was.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It was my number one question after the game was
what was going to do? Was he needed to go
prove us that he can give consistency, and they wanted
to see him give them consistency in the fourth quarter
of the third preseason game. If that tells you how
they felt about what's going on there. But but that's
my point. That's the same thing. It's it's Jackson and
and it's and it's I guess Howard Cross and the kid,
the dude they brought in Brian and Agent and then
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at safety, somebody gotta step up Tyson Anderson, Dejon Anthony, well,
Dejon Anthony's kind of been in the doghouse a little
bit now he's got this hamstring injury, and we'll see
what happens with whatever they do. There's just all of
these spots when they kind of were just throwing a
bunch of stuff at the wall. Nothing stuck, it fell
to the ground, and so that they're kind of still
trying to throw more stuff at the wall. And I'm
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gonna guess that they're gonna try to do some of
that by noon tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
The big loser, I think is gonna be cook Sporting
Goods because I was gonna buy the des Rider jersey
and then after the pick six, I sort of took
that money and stashed it away.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
For something else. The guy Dez didn't help himself.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And he didn't help himself. It hadn't been the best
camp and uh and it certainly wasn't. He didn't like
have a late charge. Oh no, that that picked six.
I think that was his NFL dream kind of going
the other way. Unfortunately. Loved as nice guy. Sure certainly
did unbelievable things for the UC program. Nothing but good
things to say about him. But yeah, it looks like
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that that was gonna be it.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I I was watching it, and I said, I was
watching it with my wife, and I go, like, this
is probably it. I'm kind of glad that this is it. Yeah,
and look, if he has a football future somewhere else,
go for it. But I'm as weird as it sounds,
and as poorly as he played, I thought it was
cool to watch him be the starting quarterback of the
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Bengals on the game that didn't count.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I know that's really stupid. I know it's hokey, but
it's like if.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It had to end, okay, fine, and it does again
tries to continue his NFL career, then you know, God
bless him. But better there than like with the Green
Bay Packers or something. I don't know, but that's just
how I.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Felt, or like, you know, on like the Panthers practice
school or something.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, but it wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
No, So four o'clock today and then they go shopping
for safety, guard, defensive tackle, practice squad, quarterback, anybody else,
any other position.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I'm curious to see, you know, corner. The corner is good.
I think they're a fine linebacker. They actually maybe have
extra linebackers, right, you know. I think they really like
Shaka and so whether he stays or whatever happened, Joe
Giles Harris is kind of the veteran there. They've reworked
that room so much. They like where it's at. I mean,
(24:35):
they really you know, defensive tackle, safety, I think corner
they feel okay, they're gonna have Ivy and Marco Wilson
and then DJ Turner Josh Newton. Curious to see who
ends up kind of being viewed as the starter there.
Turner has been on the side with a little bit
of injury, So assuming he comes back, who do they
think is the other besides Cam and Dax Hill will
(24:59):
be important. They'll all eventually play, but I'm curious to
see where they have that viewed. We've seen both. I
think he is. I think he's the last receiver on
the roster. I think he got he got passed over
by Mitch Tinsley. I think they feel like they can
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count on Mitch Tinsley. This is the ultimate trust right now,
and not that they you know, Burton is somebody that
hasn't been doing all the right things, but Mitch has
come in and always done the right things, and he's
made plays for Joe Burrow and he's he's the one
that Joe is talking up and all that stuff. So
I think when it comes down to it, I think
he's He's Burton sitting there in the back. He's dealing
(25:43):
with whatever. We'll see this knee injury that reaggravated in
the last preseason game. How seriously they view that will
be something that will learn over the next couple of days.
But you know, I think he's going to have more
time where I think this is going to be a
good How does he handle this right? Does he handle
this the right way? Does he stay after stay in
(26:04):
his books? Is he breaking hard on whatever he's asked
to do in practice, whether it's scout team or whatever
he's doing. How does he handle maybe this potentially being
a little bit of disappointment, depending what happens between now
and the active list coming out in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Hangtig, there's one more topic we have to discuss. We'll
do that when we come back. Paul Danner Junior.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I feel like you're saving something big.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's not big at all.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Okay, you should know what surprise. This is not a surprise.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Okay, I think, Paul, you should know what's coming. Okay,
all right, just jogg through all.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
The different things that have happened with this franchise just
over the last week.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Okay, this is you should see this coming to the
Moeger Award, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
No, that's been decided.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Mitchell Tinsley won that two weeks ago. Paul Danner Junior's
with this. We're broadcasting from Oakley Greens today. It's twenty
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I think you should continue.
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Speaker 1 (28:05):
Many of the cuts are out.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
The big news William Wagner will be the team's long
snapper at least as the four o'clock today, cal Latamitas
will be cut. Anybody else, anybody else I should care about.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I saw that. I know Charlie Clifford had that. Cam
Grandy is on the team for now. That fifth tight
end the spot heels like one of those that the
next day he ends up moving. Note to a PS
potentially got they had, But they did keep five tight
ends last year, so it's not totally out of the question.
They really like Cam. I they just think, yeah, you know,
there's only so many spots on the active roster.
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and home against the Boston Red Sox on March twenty
sixth of next year. We're broadcasting from Oakley Greens. Paul
Danner Juniors with us for another few minutes. We've talked
about the roster, We've discussed Trey Hendricks, and now we
have to talk about I think the biggest story of
the last week, and that is the fact that when
the Bengals invited boomeris Ice and the comeback for this
year's Ring of Honor weekend, they offered him two complimentary tickets,
(29:24):
told Tom he had by the end of the week
to respond in RSVP, and then basically said, if you
want to join us, you're going to have to pay
your own way airfare and lodging your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I am just happy that I didn't have to write
anything about this right, because there was only one thing
too write, What are you doing right? I mean, what
are we doing here when I think that a defense
mechanism that the Bengals organization has is to being called cheap?
And obviously we know that they don't like that. Who
(29:59):
would is often pointing out, but the cap we pay
to the cap right, cash right, and we pay the
players and we that, to those that really know, is
not what that argument is about. It's stuff like this.
It's stuff like this that that doesn't cost millions of
dollars or what you know, to to go and pay
(30:21):
play all that. It's not about that it's stuff like this.
It's it's this is what you're supposed to do if
you're a real organization is bring people in. And if
you want to have the ring of arm, you want
to have the weekend, you want to have the activities
you want to have that day, well, treat these people
that are part of that main part like they matter,
like they are first class. And this is just that
(30:44):
to me is more when people talk about that, this
is the stuff that. It's more that, to me is
what it should should more be about and less about
how much they pay to their you know, quarterback or
receiver or Trey Hendrickson or whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
For me, it was simple as a fan.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Do you like to say, you know what, I root
for a franchise that does stuff like this first class
all the way?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Or I don't. Yeah, I mean, that's that's what it is.
I was. I said this to you off air.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I was surprised by the number of people who said,
you know, Boomer could afford it.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
That's not what this is about. It's you either do.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
For things first class all the way, and if you do,
then stuff like that is covered. Stuff like that is
taken care of. In the absence of that, it's not
first class all the way. It could still be nice,
it could still be special, it could still be meaningful.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Boomer could still come and.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I'm sure Dave Lapham and Lamar Paris will appreciate his presence.
But then you can't say first class all the way
if you're gonna defend them for telling Boomer is gonna
pay for his hotel and his airplane?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I do believe they did come back around and pay
for Boomer's airfare and hotel and all.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
That's nice, Allegian Frontier. Don't know, don't know it, wrote wrote.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Thirty one A not sure, not sure for the.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Carry on Boomer.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Sorry, you know, look I.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Don't have to share a room with like Corey Dillon
or do all the others to double up.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I like that, But you're gonna have to double up
with Ken Anderson. Okay, yeah we got.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
We actually kind of converted one of the locker room
corner of the locker room the training room. Yeah there,
we threw a couple of air mattresses down. Yeah you
do that. No, I I you know, I just it's
you can't step on the rake like this, you know,
because it's it's an easy like. This isn't the hard stuff, right,
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this is the and it's it's not the expensive stuff.
It's not the It really isn't. It's it's if you're
gonna do this stuff, there's a there's an obvious easy
way to do it.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
But you know, well, my thing was also like boomers
size and once laid down in front of a bus. Yeah,
you knew what you were getting in the during the
eighty seven player strike. Yeah, this this was a guy
who wasn't going to be afraid to go to war
with you, No, in a public forum, which he has.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
That's just it.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's the other thing I feel like, even if it's
it's hard to defend, even if you take out the
public relations aspect, that this man has a national radio
and you knew that this is exactly what what what
could happen is.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
To fight with Al Michael's on Monday night football. So
one of the reasons I love him is zero blanks
given man.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
No, absolutely not. And and that's apparent here. And I'm
sure if you're the Bengals, you're like, come on, did
you have to. But yeah, this is what you open
yourself up to when it goes like that. I don't know,
so I want to. I want to see if Corey
ever found that email. That's not what I know. I
do believe that they did email Corey, but I don't
Maybe it went to spam.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
We'll see you next Tuesday. We'll have a game to discuss.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
What game is that? The next game? I thought playing football?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, we do that too, of course.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, I want to. I thought we would talk about
a game. That's That's what I want to start talking about.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
That's more fun.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
But I mean, there will be a football game for
us to spend a little time on on top of
whatever's making Tray mad and roster cuts.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
And talk about who we like on Mason Graham Versus
Lucas Patrick matcha.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Okay, yeah, sign me up for Yes a pretty good
place to start, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
We are stoked because we're basically outside on a gorgeous
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Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh my, I know that, like you really wanted to
talk about I want to talk about Oakley Greens. Okay,
I want to thank them personally. Yeah, because I appreciate
all the places that we've gone to as we've done
these Tuesday shows. We've we've been everywhere. Yes, we've done everywhere,
but never have we been in my neighborhood at one
of my favorite places right literally, bring my kids up
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I sit, have drinks, watch whatever the games are, and
it makes it one of my favorite places, right around
the corner from my house. God bless you for giving
me home games.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, what I like about this place in terms of
like doing the show is, first of all, it's uh,
it's not that far from the radio station. Second, I
got my grocery shopping done before I came here.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Oh, there's a Kroger right there.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
There is a Kroger. Right. It's everything right here. Yeah,
my kids where my kids used to go to daycares.
Over here you can go. You have many different places
that you can get chicken, and many different places where
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Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, we've got it all for We've got a place
here that you can grab a cold one, you can
play mini golf, you could watch sports, you could have dinner,
you can get ice cream, you can bring your family.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Sometimes you run into Tony Pike in the bunker room.
That's happened to me before.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You can't you Tony just hang We.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Were hanging out in there and all of a sudden,
Tony Pike and all his crew came in, invaded, and
they were renting out that room one day.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So we're so stoked to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Hopefully you join us one Tuesday between now and the
end of the season. And it's great for a day
like this where the weather is perfect, but when things
get colder later in the football season, we'll be able
to go inside and the inside setup is going to
be awesome as well.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
There are only a few things to discuss.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We're fifty four minutes away from finding out about what
the Bengals fifty three man roster looks like for at
least a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Sure, Yeah, I mean that's just it. I don't know
how much I get it. You want to be excited
for some of the guys that'll be like I made it,
yeah and there, but you wanna be like not yet.
Still another site or two to make sure that you
get through. But there's definitely gonna be a few decisions
that are hanging out.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
There that we don't know yet. All right, we're gonna
get to all that. We got to start with Trey
Hendrickson obviously. Yeah, I like this. I like this for me, Yeah,
I like this as a fan. You know, you wrote
about who wins? You needed a podcast on this. He
wrote about why we got here, and the overriding message
was the Bengals clearly didn't have any interest in Trey
Hendrickson in twenty twenty six. I will be honest with you,
(03:28):
I don't care about the twenty twenty six Bengals. Yeah,
I care about the twenty twenty five version that Al
Golden has to fix the defense on, and now he knows.
Even if you were skeptical that Trey was ever going
to miss a game, this isn't hanging over. It's not
even hanging over next week. It's not hanging over this week.
It's not gonna loom over the preparation for the Cleveland Browns.
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I will worry about the twenty twenty six Bengals the
minute this year's team has played its last down. So
I don't care. I just wanted with so many things
unsettled with this team. I wanted one thing to get settled.
This got settled, at least for this year. That's that's
one hundred percent true. And that's that's the winner.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I mean, that was kind of when we talk about
winners and losers, if the winners are the twenty twenty
five Bengals. And that's all that the Bengals front office
really cared much about right now because they needed two things.
They needed. They needed Trey in here because they just
don't have answers right now, and they needed time to
find other answers in the long run, and they have
both of those now. And they didn't They did not
(04:28):
want to give Trey the one thing that he wanted.
He wanted security beyond this year. He wanted guaranteed money
in year two. And what was consistent from the very
first day to yesterday was the Bengals had no interest
in that. They weren't gonna do that, and the plan
maybe they wanted to look like they did and and
I think that they made a kind of an attempt
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check sort of not really, I mean they because they're
because they would have easily they could have easily done
it if they if they would have taken some money
or a real deal in the first two years or
guaranteed whatever. They could have done that right, they didn't,
and that's fine. The thing is, though, you have to
think about this year's team and next year's team. This
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the time for Schamar to learn about, Shamar Stewart to
learn about I guess Miles Murphy to learn about next
year in free agency, next year's draft. You can fix
all of that. But you what you couldn't do was
sit here and say we're just gonna have Trey be
mad or they're not willing to care about beyond the
age thing mattered too much for them to go and
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give that second your money. So what you get is this,
You get a team that is saying, we're gonna kind
of do what we've done before with these types of situations.
We're gonna force the franchise tag and somebody we're gonna
just kind of assume they're gonna walk to free agency,
like t Higgins even though he didn't. Jonah Williams is
gonna play out this last year, Jamar Chase, We're not
gonna get the deal done. We'll get you next year, though, Buddy,
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and those situations have largely worked out pretty well. And
I think that in a situation now where they're gonna
get a very even by blackout Trey Sanders, a very
angry man coming off the edge awsom for your quarterbacks, right,
so you get a super motivated Trey Hendrickson in his
last year here. I think they feel like this maybe
(06:16):
quietly is what they were trying to kind of bully
him into all along with something that looked like this.
And he gets fourteen million dollars. Yeah, so that's good.
That's that's that's the price they pay to get the
security of the Bengals saying one year only, fine by me. Yeah,
Trey gets they had the money.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Trey gets a consolation prize of basically they double his salary.
He can call himself among the highest paid defensive players
in the sport for this coming season if he wants,
you know, among as a general sort of open that
to term, I guess.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
But he My thing was, can we just get this done?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So I know he's gonna play against the Browns and
so they they they at least have last year's best
defensive player on the While I have no faith in
Al Golden's defense in the first game based on what
I saw in training camp in the preseason, like, can
we just get so My view was simplistic and limited,
and I will admit that, but I feel like I
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feel like that's where most fans are.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah. Well, the thing is they're gonna need while the
rest of it gets figured out. Okay, So whatever happens
defensively in these first few weeks or first month, or
however long it's gonna take for them to figure out
what their level actually is, they're gonna need their stars
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to carry them on offense and trade a close games. Yep,
that's what it's gonna have to look like until the
rest of that finds its way. And they've won a
lot of games with that formula in the past, sure,
And so I think that you can look at that
and say, the defense can be good enough, the offense
can get us leads, Trey can put it away at
the end or help put it away at the end,
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and that can get you to the point that's really
gonna matter in terms of this team super Bowl aspirations
is on November third, How good is this defense?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
But to get to that point and not be in
a hole like people are familiar with in recent years,
is gonna be the key, and I think one of
the biggest things you're getting and getting this trade thing
done and getting him in here.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
My first thought was this could be viewed as a
one year contract with a one year option because of
the franchise tag. You didn't in your piece today for
the Athletic. Didn't just throw cold water on that. You
took it and dunked it in the toilet. Well, I
just gave it a swirling.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I did.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I did. Maybe that was aggressive, but the idea of
the Bengals giving a franchise tag that appears like it'll
land in the thirty eight range one year thirty eight
when we consider what they just negotiated, and he'll only
be a year older, and how out on twenty twenty
six Trey Hendrickson they have been this whole year. Now
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there's a chance if Trey goes out and sets the
SAX record and has twenty two sacks and it shows
no signs of slowing down, I'm sure there's a world
where they consider it. I don't see it. I just
you know, they continue to bet on the cliff coming
and following. In fairness, the history of thirty plus year
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old Edge rushers and not wanting to go that direction.
I believe I see it the same way. I wouldn't
want anything to do with that. That can change, I guess,
But that's a big that's a big dollar figure, and
it goes against everything that they've kind of been about
throughout this entire offseason with him.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
There has been reporting in recent weeks that the Bengals
have started to listen to trade offers for Trey.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
That made no sense to me, because that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Really help you this year unless you get a a
player who's comparable to Trey Hendrickson in good luck with that.
Understanding that this has how it ended, many have said
they should have traded him back in March. Is that
still a way of looking at it? Would would that
have been the preferable outcome compared to what the outcome
actually ended up being.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
In my opinion, Yes, I've stated this since March. I
mean I remember you asking me about writing they should
trade Trey Hendrickson in February. It was that was the
method to get I thought, to get the most out
of the Al Golden rebuild, knowing that you weren't going
to go to an extension. The idea of just pouring
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thirty million dollars, you know, into Trey Henderson. What's what
would have been worth? More? Like, what could you have
made a better team with thirty million dollars plus let's
say a second round pick, thirty million in free agency
an and a Day two pick or having Trey hendrickson
for this year And that's counting the longevity you get
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out of the free agency spend and the and draft pick.
I considering the direction they were going and rebuild it
that they've done and getting young and counting on a
bunch of young players, and that being Al Golden's thing,
to me, that was probably a way to fix more
of the holes that we're talking about right now. Okay,
we're talking about guard, We're talking about safety, we're talking
about defensive tackle, we're talking all of these things. Were
(11:10):
talking about edge. Sure, you could have checked off three
of those boxes with ten million dollar players and thrown
a second round pick at it now and you feel
like you have a little bit more of the complete
roster that you're looking for. I understand wanting to make
Trey happy. I understand the idea of Trey is a
great player, and you just can't find those guys and
(11:31):
the Super Bowl window and Burrows saying sign Trey and
all of that stuff, and I understand how it lands here.
What I said at the time, and I still think
feels the same, is the proactive GM, the one that
looks forward, the one that is able to spin the
next generation of the teams properly. Are the ones that
execute those types of moves with a little bit more
(11:51):
forward vision and less of a one year band aid
and see in a few months. It just felt like
that was the opportunity to make that move and really
be aggressive to covering up all the holes that existed
on this roster like they were. They're so top heavy,
and it leaves them You just how do you not
watch the preseason and some of the stuff we've seen
(12:13):
at camp and not say, man, feels like depth might
cutch up to this team at some point.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, I mean, it feels like they are finishing up
an incomplete offseason that could have been made more complete
with maybe one more.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Pick, which is weird to say when we consider where
this started with Joe Burrow putting four boxes on the
wall and then checking all of them. Yeah. Right, so,
but it's just when you do that one, it got
done in a way that left everybody not feeling great
about themselves, right right. And then two, doing that meant
that there were a bunch of other smaller ones that
all feel like a much bigger box now together. And
(12:48):
and that's kind of the you know, the concern of the.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Deal got finalized what yesterday afternoon?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Has Trey started to complain about it yet? It's been
about twenty four.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Hours, not long. I don't know. We'll talk to him.
We haven't talked to him yet. He seemed very happy
in the website piece, so maybe that's so. At least
the initial happiness is still there. We'll see how he
feels about it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
On uh, I noticed and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They tweeted out a picture of Trey like on the
field playing the game. There was no picture of him
smiling signing the contract.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, I know, which is significant. We had a bet
on our podcast for people to send in what date
the wall pick will be released? Released the pick of
the guy in front of the wall signing with a smile,
And I don't know if Trey was like, look I didn't.
I've been getting clowned on that one a little bit.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, for a while. We still have been hanging in
our studio back in ken Was.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So, so perhaps just send out a picture of me
and say we've revised his contract and call it a day.
I don't know, So I'm waiting to see because they
are there are bets hanging in the balance that people
sent in to try to collect on depending on what
happens with that that photo being put out or not.
So what I'm I'm watching closely.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
The last order of business though, as it relates to Trey,
is it going to be a captain?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
What a surprise that would be if he was captain.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I think this was like one of the sticking points, right,
guy wants to be a captain.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Maybe maybe that's the one thing that got slipped into
the contract.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Must have se on chests so he was bought it, okay,
But I mean he was around. By everybody's accounts, he
was hands on and helpful and working with the other
guys on the defense. So maybe maybe there's some captaincy
vibes coming off of that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I've always wanted to see the others receiving votes category
and the captain vote. I just want to see some
of the extras that get thrown. That's why whenever it's
like you see one vote for like cow Fullerton, how'd
they get them? Oh, you know the one vote on
the end. I kind of want to just I'd love
to see the full vote laid out in front of me.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Hockey, like Trey would show up and in hockey and
they have captains and they have the assistant captain, they
put an A on his chest.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
We could do that in football.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah. Also receiving votes AARV you and then it has
the number of stars is how many also votes you received?
Like I got three?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, I'm already excited. I've blocked out segments for February.
Hopefully it's February when we start to talk about Trey
on the tag.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
On the tag, Yeah, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, it will not be great.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It is nineteen minutes after three o'clock. We're broadcasting from Oakley.
Green's hanging out on a gorgeous Tuesday afternoon. Zach Taylor's
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for you. Also, we'll go to link in Nebraska coming
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(15:39):
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Com and his podcast, The Growler Podcast is available as
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have the Trey Hendrickson thing covered front and back. Bengals
will pair the roster down to fifty three coming up
in just about forty minutes.
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away from finding out what the next version of the
Bengals fifty three man roster is going to look like.
Many of the cuts have already sort of trickled out.
Has anything surprising happened so far?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I mean, I think we have to start at the
most important, and that is the long snapper battle has
been settled. Yes, surprise, yes, Will Wagner.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
How about that the.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Undrafted rookie out of Michigan's plants cal adamitis. I have
a feeling that if they can, they will be trying
to keep cal around right just in case there are hiccups.
How do you feel about this?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Not great?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I don't feel great, not great at all. I understand
that there was some issue with cal last year, reason
that there's competition in camp. That was very pointed that said,
it's just bringing another variable that you don't know about
and changing the operation again. For Evan McPherson in games,
(18:14):
I mean, Will Wagner played at Michigan. He did this
job in front of one hundred thousand people and in
all the biggest stages. I'm okay, like I get it.
I don't think he's gonna be rattled in front of
the dog Pound necessarily, but it is gonna be his
first time out there. It is gonna be the first
time that he is snapped. If it's the game winner,
if it's sixteen fourteen Browns with three seconds left and
(18:38):
you're lining up from forty eight, and what is it
gonna be? The thing that's gonna be on your mind.
Probably not the kicker. It's probably gonna be Oh, how
is the rookie snapper gonna do it? You don't want
to be thinking like that. And he may be fine, sure,
Like there's plenty of times where this works out. Fine,
he's fine, and obviously they felt like he was the
better player. I just would when we hear so much
(18:59):
about out the operation constantly changing for Evan and needing
to have confidence and trusting that is a big part
of his getting back in the in the swing of things.
It's like then you're changing it again. But obviously he
did really well in camp, he did really well in
the preseason games. They like where Evan's at and Will
(19:20):
Wagner was a part of that, so perhaps you have
to trust it to a certain extent. But makes me
a little squirrely.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I read your projection of what the fifty three man
would look like and with the caveat that that is
very likely to change between today at four o'clock and
maybe by tomorrow. But when you broke down long snaper,
I'd read that thinking, Okay, it was a tie. So
the tiebreaker is familiarity in continuity where there hasn't been
a lot of that in that particular group for a while.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, and I guess it wasn't a tie. Yeah, maybe
there was a couple of snaps. They felt like they
saw that Cow wasn't quite as you know, on points
as Will Wagner was, and so they went that way.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So what's the frustrating to me, and I think to
a lot of people, is four o'clock today they have
to go shopping for a guard and a safety and
maybe other position defensive tackle, defensive tackle. I could have
said that the day of the season ended last year.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
That's right, they've got to go.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Shopping for guard, safety, and defensive tackle. The next season
is twelve days away, and they've got to go shopping
for a guard, safety, and defensive tackle. Injury has affected this,
but I don't think that drastically. I think had injury
not affected those positions, we would still be saying the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, I mean, and this is kind of this is
exactly what I was referring to in the thirty million
dollar Trey Henderson conversation, is you could have ten million
dollar players in those spots if you wanted to. No.
I think that, Yeah, there is some injury element, but
it's also some what's naturally going to happen. They never
saw development from any of the people that were kind
(20:52):
of thrown into that mix. I remember us often talking
about the royal rumbleick guard and all these players who's
gonna rise up. No one really did like outside of
Dylan Fairchild, Yes, there's one player who showed up and
took a job. Everybody else kind of just stood around
and shrugged a little bit and and didn't really do
that much to impress. Maybe you're starting to see something
(21:15):
from Jalen Rivers, you know. But outside of that, yeah,
there's nothing really happened there. And you can say the
same thing at defensive tackle. Some of the bodies that
they threw at it in there, and and maybe Howard
Cross makes this team, but they need to upgrade that.
You know, McKinley Jackson has fallen into a doghouse. It
seems like a lot. He's played a lot. On Saturday,
(21:38):
I said, if you're out there in the fourth quarter
of that game, you are not feeling good about where
they how they view you.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I was, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
As the game went on, my attention started to drift,
and then I heard Mike Watts calling the game and
he mentioned, I'm like, whoa.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, whoa, My guy's still in there in the fourth quarner.
It was.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It was my number one question after the game was
what was going to do? Was he needed to go
prove us that he can give consistency, and they wanted
to see him give them consistency in the fourth quarter
of the third preseason game. If that tells you how
they felt about what's going on there. But but that's
my point. That's the same thing. It's it's Jackson and
and it's and it's I guess Howard Cross and the kid,
the dude they brought in Brian and Agent and then
(22:16):
at safety, somebody gotta step up Tyson Anderson, Dejon Anthony, well,
Dejon Anthony's kind of been in the doghouse a little
bit now he's got this hamstring injury, and we'll see
what happens with whatever they do. There's just all of
these spots when they kind of were just throwing a
bunch of stuff at the wall. Nothing stuck, it fell
to the ground, and so that they're kind of still
trying to throw more stuff at the wall. And I'm
(22:36):
gonna guess that they're gonna try to do some of
that by noon tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
The big loser, I think is gonna be cook Sporting
Goods because I was gonna buy the des Rider jersey
and then after the pick six, I sort of took
that money and stashed it away.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
For something else. The guy Dez didn't help himself.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And he didn't help himself. It hadn't been the best
camp and uh and it certainly wasn't. He didn't like
have a late charge. Oh no, that that picked six.
I think that was his NFL dream kind of going
the other way. Unfortunately. Loved as nice guy. Sure certainly
did unbelievable things for the UC program. Nothing but good
things to say about him. But yeah, it looks like
(23:16):
that that was gonna be it.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I I was watching it, and I said, I was
watching it with my wife, and I go, like, this
is probably it. I'm kind of glad that this is it. Yeah,
and look, if he has a football future somewhere else,
go for it. But I'm as weird as it sounds,
and as poorly as he played, I thought it was
cool to watch him be the starting quarterback of the
(23:38):
Bengals on the game that didn't count.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I know that's really stupid. I know it's hokey, but
it's like if.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It had to end, okay, fine, and it does again
tries to continue his NFL career, then you know, God
bless him. But better there than like with the Green
Bay Packers or something. I don't know, but that's just
how I.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Felt, or like, you know, on like the Panthers practice
school or something.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, but it wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
No, So four o'clock today and then they go shopping
for safety, guard, defensive tackle, practice squad, quarterback, anybody else,
any other position.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I'm curious to see, you know, corner. The corner is good.
I think they're a fine linebacker. They actually maybe have
extra linebackers, right, you know. I think they really like
Shaka and so whether he stays or whatever happened, Joe
Giles Harris is kind of the veteran there. They've reworked
that room so much. They like where it's at. I mean,
(24:35):
they really you know, defensive tackle, safety, I think corner
they feel okay, they're gonna have Ivy and Marco Wilson
and then DJ Turner Josh Newton. Curious to see who
ends up kind of being viewed as the starter there.
Turner has been on the side with a little bit
of injury, So assuming he comes back, who do they
think is the other besides Cam and Dax Hill will
(24:59):
be important. They'll all eventually play, but I'm curious to
see where they have that viewed. We've seen both. I
think he is. I think he's the last receiver on
the roster. I think he got he got passed over
by Mitch Tinsley. I think they feel like they can
(25:21):
count on Mitch Tinsley. This is the ultimate trust right now,
and not that they you know, Burton is somebody that
hasn't been doing all the right things, but Mitch has
come in and always done the right things, and he's
made plays for Joe Burrow and he's he's the one
that Joe is talking up and all that stuff. So
I think when it comes down to it, I think
he's He's Burton sitting there in the back. He's dealing
(25:43):
with whatever. We'll see this knee injury that reaggravated in
the last preseason game. How seriously they view that will
be something that will learn over the next couple of days.
But you know, I think he's going to have more
time where I think this is going to be a
good How does he handle this right? Does he handle
this the right way? Does he stay after stay in
(26:04):
his books? Is he breaking hard on whatever he's asked
to do in practice, whether it's scout team or whatever
he's doing. How does he handle maybe this potentially being
a little bit of disappointment, depending what happens between now
and the active list coming out in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Hangtig, there's one more topic we have to discuss. We'll
do that when we come back. Paul Danner Junior.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I feel like you're saving something big.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's not big at all.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Okay, you should know what surprise. This is not a surprise.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Okay, I think, Paul, you should know what's coming. Okay,
all right, just jogg through all.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
The different things that have happened with this franchise just
over the last week.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Okay, this is you should see this coming to the
Moeger Award, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
No, that's been decided.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Mitchell Tinsley won that two weeks ago. Paul Danner Junior's
with this. We're broadcasting from Oakley Greens today. It's twenty
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Speaker 3 (27:01):
I think you should continue.
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their roster down to fifty three in twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Many of the cuts are out.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
The big news William Wagner will be the team's long
snapper at least as the four o'clock today, cal Latamitas
will be cut. Anybody else, anybody else I should care about.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I saw that. I know Charlie Clifford had that. Cam
Grandy is on the team for now. That fifth tight
end the spot heels like one of those that the
next day he ends up moving. Note to a PS
potentially got they had, But they did keep five tight
ends last year, so it's not totally out of the question.
They really like Cam. I they just think, yeah, you know,
there's only so many spots on the active roster.
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(29:00):
and home against the Boston Red Sox on March twenty
sixth of next year. We're broadcasting from Oakley Greens. Paul
Danner Juniors with us for another few minutes. We've talked
about the roster, We've discussed Trey Hendricks, and now we
have to talk about I think the biggest story of
the last week, and that is the fact that when
the Bengals invited boomeris Ice and the comeback for this
year's Ring of Honor weekend, they offered him two complimentary tickets,
(29:24):
told Tom he had by the end of the week
to respond in RSVP, and then basically said, if you
want to join us, you're going to have to pay
your own way airfare and lodging your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I am just happy that I didn't have to write
anything about this right, because there was only one thing
too write, What are you doing right? I mean, what
are we doing here when I think that a defense
mechanism that the Bengals organization has is to being called cheap?
And obviously we know that they don't like that. Who
(29:59):
would is often pointing out, but the cap we pay
to the cap right, cash right, and we pay the
players and we that, to those that really know, is
not what that argument is about. It's stuff like this.
It's stuff like this that that doesn't cost millions of
dollars or what you know, to to go and pay
(30:21):
play all that. It's not about that it's stuff like this.
It's it's this is what you're supposed to do if
you're a real organization is bring people in. And if
you want to have the ring of arm, you want
to have the weekend, you want to have the activities
you want to have that day, well, treat these people
that are part of that main part like they matter,
like they are first class. And this is just that
(30:44):
to me is more when people talk about that, this
is the stuff that. It's more that, to me is
what it should should more be about and less about
how much they pay to their you know, quarterback or
receiver or Trey Hendrickson or whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
For me, it was simple as a fan.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Do you like to say, you know what, I root
for a franchise that does stuff like this first class
all the way?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Or I don't. Yeah, I mean, that's that's what it is.
I was. I said this to you off air.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I was surprised by the number of people who said,
you know, Boomer could afford it.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
That's not what this is about. It's you either do.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
For things first class all the way, and if you do,
then stuff like that is covered. Stuff like that is
taken care of. In the absence of that, it's not
first class all the way. It could still be nice,
it could still be special, it could still be meaningful.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Boomer could still come and.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I'm sure Dave Lapham and Lamar Paris will appreciate his presence.
But then you can't say first class all the way
if you're gonna defend them for telling Boomer is gonna
pay for his hotel and his airplane?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I do believe they did come back around and pay
for Boomer's airfare and hotel and all.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
That's nice, Allegian Frontier. Don't know, don't know it, wrote wrote.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Thirty one A not sure, not sure for the.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Carry on Boomer.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Sorry, you know, look I.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Don't have to share a room with like Corey Dillon
or do all the others to double up.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I like that, But you're gonna have to double up
with Ken Anderson. Okay, yeah we got.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
We actually kind of converted one of the locker room
corner of the locker room the training room. Yeah there,
we threw a couple of air mattresses down. Yeah you
do that. No, I I you know, I just it's
you can't step on the rake like this, you know,
because it's it's an easy like. This isn't the hard stuff, right,
(32:40):
this is the and it's it's not the expensive stuff.
It's not the It really isn't. It's it's if you're
gonna do this stuff, there's a there's an obvious easy
way to do it.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
But you know, well, my thing was also like boomers
size and once laid down in front of a bus. Yeah,
you knew what you were getting in the during the
eighty seven player strike. Yeah, this this was a guy
who wasn't going to be afraid to go to war
with you, No, in a public forum, which he has.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
That's just it.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's the other thing I feel like, even if it's
it's hard to defend, even if you take out the
public relations aspect, that this man has a national radio
and you knew that this is exactly what what what
could happen is.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
To fight with Al Michael's on Monday night football. So
one of the reasons I love him is zero blanks
given man.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
No, absolutely not. And and that's apparent here. And I'm
sure if you're the Bengals, you're like, come on, did
you have to. But yeah, this is what you open
yourself up to when it goes like that. I don't know,
so I want to. I want to see if Corey
ever found that email. That's not what I know. I
do believe that they did email Corey, but I don't
Maybe it went to spam.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
We'll see you next Tuesday. We'll have a game to discuss.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
What game is that? The next game? I thought playing football?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, we do that too, of course.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, I want to. I thought we would talk about
a game. That's That's what I want to start talking about.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
That's more fun.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
But I mean, there will be a football game for
us to spend a little time on on top of
whatever's making Tray mad and roster cuts.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
And talk about who we like on Mason Graham Versus
Lucas Patrick matcha.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Okay, yeah, sign me up for Yes a pretty good
place to start, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
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