8/13/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
In the Windy City. Coverage began Saturday morning at nine
on the ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
In their history, I know the answer is more than one.
In their history.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
How many.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Daytime preseason games have the Bengals played, Let's just say
over the last forty years. Obviously, the franchise goes back
to nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Saturday, they're playing at one o'clock.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I like the orange pants. I wish I had some
orange pants. HI on my leger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.
Thank you for listening. Let me get a couple of
things out of the way here. Number one, thanks to
Chad Brandel for pinch hitting yesterday. I was off. I've
got to spend some time this morning with Chad over
at Camp higher Ground watching the Bearcats. Chad's very busy

(00:51):
this time a year again, Still pinch it. Yesterday I
had a country club day. I went out to the
Cincinnati Open and watched tennis for about an hour and
a half. And then we've talked about this now for
a while. Our friends at Emory Federal Credit Union had
their annual golf outing, which eighteen years holding this golf outing.
It was at four Bridges, which is a place that

(01:12):
I the sort of place I typically am not allowed
to play, and it was a blast.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I played terribly.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I embarrassed myself, the three guys in my forrest and
spent the afternoon laughing at me and and my golf game.
But it was mainly a function to raise money for
Cincinnati Children's Hospital Charities, which was which was the sort
of the point of the entire afternoon, and I think
we raised some dough and so I want to thank
them for having us out. It was awesome and hopefully

(01:39):
could be a part of it next year. Show preview
videos available thanks to our friends at Emory Federal Credit
Union eighty five years EMORYFCU dot org. Become a member,
you'd be like me, maybe a member of the same
credit union. That'd be cool, right, Go check that out
on x Our Twitter feed is a service of Delta
Dental building healthy, smart, vibrant communities for all. Gonna teltadentooh

(02:00):
dot com. Tony Pike is going to be on this
show in forty minutes. Get the latest from Bengals training
camp which they practice today. They travel tomorrow They're in
Chicago on Thursday for a joint practice. They play that
game on Saturday. A lot of stuff is happening with
the Bengals. We have had about twenty four hours to
digest the Amarus Mims news. By the way, great Bengals

(02:25):
guests coming up at four h five, Robert Weintraub, who
joins our show every week during the season and is
a contributor to the best the best annual preseason NFL
publication there is. We're gonna talk Bengals with him coming
up in four oh five. But we've had about twenty
four hours to digest the real sobering news for Amarius Mims.

(02:47):
And I know I'm sort of at the back end
of this news cycle. I don't know that I have
any new ground to cover. This news stinks. It stinks
for a Marius Mims who was authoring a really fun,
feel good story. He was drafted in the first round
to play. He was drafted in the first round to
play at a really high level. But to emerge from

(03:11):
the draft as a guy who was a little bit
short on experience and perhaps having found the inside track
on the starting gig week one, that's pretty cool. It
is most likely completely up in smoke. I feel bad
for Marius Mims, who has impressed a lot of people,
not just with his obvious physical tools and his obvious

(03:33):
physical frame, but he has come off like a guy
who just seems to get it, and when he was
on the field on Saturday night, did more than make
a case that he should be the starting right tackle
for this football team. And so it stinks on that level.
It stinks because Marius mims rookie season will now not

(03:56):
go the way we had all hoped. Look, there's a
reason why they practice. I mean, like this whole thing
where we send Tony down every day and he goes
down and does a report every hour is completely pointless.
If practice doesn't mean anything. These practices matter, These joint
practices matter. These preseason games, to whatever extent of Marius

(04:18):
Mims would have played in them the final two, they matter,
especially for a guy who is, you know, let's face it,
a little short on overall experience. He was gonna benefit
from what is coming in the coming weeks. He would
benefit it from practicing yesterday. He would benefit from practicing today.

(04:38):
He would benefit from being in a practice against some
dudes on the Chicago Bears. Is that gonna have a
long term impact on his career, Probably not.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Could it have a little bit of.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
A short term impact on his ability to help the
team once he's healthy in his rookie season. Sure, So
this stinks for Marius Mim. It stinks for the Bengals
because you know, to me, the the whole idea behind
a Marius Mims starting in us getting excited about it
was they could and he could perhaps tap into that

(05:14):
immense potential the earlier he plays. So there's there's nothing
about this that's good. It stinks for Marius Mims. Now
for the Bengals, well, Trent Brown, come on down now.
I will admit I think a lot of us did this.
Trent Brown talked with the media last week, and I

(05:40):
think his overall attitude and demeanor, quite frankly, were the
antithesis of what this this this this offseason, in this
training camp have been about. Right with the Bengals, the
message has been about urgency, right, Urgency, Urgency to start
the season off better, Urgency to rid ourselves of the

(06:02):
crappy taste left in our mouths from last season. Urgency
to go win a title. And you know, There have
also been a lot of positive vibes about Burrow coming
back and the talent they have and the offseason acquisitions.
And then he got Trent Brown last week, who seemed like,
you know, the guy who was a little bit too
cool for school, too cool to get excited, too cool

(06:24):
to talk about, you know, anything beyond you. I got
to use the next month to get myself in football shape.
It was sort of the antithesis of the message that
has come from the Bengals. But that doesn't mean he's
going to be a bad player, and that doesn't mean
that he can't help, and it certainly doesn't mean that
he can't be a more than suitable starting right tackle

(06:45):
for a team that has championship aspirations. Look when the
Bengals acquired Trent Brown, did any of us grown, Did
any of us roll our eyes? Did any of us
not think about his ability who step in and, at
least at this stage of his career, be as good
as Jonah Williams was last season. Remember when the Bengals

(07:07):
signed Trent Brown, they hadn't yet taken Marius Mims. So
I am going to be fair and I'm gonna be
optimistic about this and I'm gonna give Trent Brown the
benefit of the doubt, which I think because of his
time in the league he deserves at least partially, and
assume that he knows what he needs to do between

(07:30):
now and September the eighth.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
And it's coming quick now.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I mean it just it feels like, you know, about
five minutes ago, we were talking about how there were
still six weeks to go before the start of the season,
and now it's less than a month away, right, less
than four weeks.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'm gonna give Trent Brown.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
The benefit of the doubt because I do this when
it comes to athletes, right, I do this when it
comes to athlete injuries. Athletes know their bodies. Athlete who's
been around for ten years, anybody who's been in their
current role for ten years, who's had a measure of success,
they know what they need to do to get ready.
They know what they need to do to answer the bell.
They know what they need to do physically and otherwise

(08:10):
to ensure that they're an asset for their team once
the games actually begin. Do we expect Trent Brown to
play at a Pro Bowl caliber level? Of course not.
But nobody was saying he would back in February and March,
nobody was saying that Marius Mims would. So if your
backup plan, if you went around the NFL, and I'm

(08:30):
no expert, I'm really no expert on anything, but I'm
no expert on right tackle play. But if you went
around to the NFL every team, let's say a Marius
Mims is choice A for the Bengals to play right
tackle Week one against the Patriots. And why wouldn't it
be right? There's a reason why they drafted him. He
would be choice A because if he is starting, it

(08:52):
tells you that he is showing everything that the Bengals
saw from him when they scouted him when he was
at Georgia. It would also tell you he's had a
very good training camp. So that's option A. Trent Brown
is option B. If you went around the NFL and
said to the other thirty one general managers or the

(09:14):
other thirty one head coaches, or hell, the other thirty
one offensive line coaches, and said, Okay, your plan B
at right tackle or Trent Brown. Aren't you led to
believe right now at least that the insane majority would

(09:36):
say I'll take Trent Brown. He might be better than
some team's Plan A. But here, you know, a week ago,
at this time, he didn't feel like Plan A. And
that's okay, that's not Trent Brown's fault. It's it's no
one's fault.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Plan A.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Looks like there's a very good chance he's not going
to be available for a week one. In fact, I'm
going to go ahead and Matt McClain this and assume
Amarius Mims will not play the first game against New England.
I will also assume he's not gonna play the first
game against Kansas City. And if I'm wrong, who's gonna
be mad about it?

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Certainly not me.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
If that's Plan B, that's not that bad. Now he's
gonna play. Okay, he's gonna hold his own. He's he's
got to prove. You know what, I knew what I
was doing when I didn't come to off season workouts.
I knew what I was doing at the start of
training camp. I knew what I was doing when I said, hey,
I've I've got a few weeks to get myself in shape.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I am gonna defer to him here.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I'm gonna I'm gonna give him the benefit of the
doubt because his time in the league would dictate that
he deserves it. I'm also not gonna set the bar
to that high for Trent Brown, but I wasn't when
they acquired him, and I'm not for any Plan B
as Plan b's go or as Plans B go, whichever
the right way of putting it is. Is Trent Brown

(10:59):
really that bad right now? I think the answer is no. Now,
there are other questions that have to be asked about
a Marius Mems and about his rookie season, and about
what were to happen if the Bengals were to suffer

(11:19):
more injuries on the offensive line. And I hate to
be the bearer of bad news, but there's a very
good chance that we're gonna see some things on the
Bengals offensive line this year that we didn't last year
because last year nobody missed a game. I hope to
God that happens this year. The smart money is on

(11:39):
that not happening. What happens if this offensive line starts
to deal with injury issues that it's already starting to
deal with in the format of a Marius Mems injury,
And is there any chance in hell that one of
those Solutions is actually gonna be Jackson KRM. Our phone

(12:02):
numbers phones are open five point three, seven four nine
fifteen thirty eight six six seven oh two three seven
seven six each. We'll get you in. You can send
me a tweet on x at mowager. Thanks to our
friends at Delta Tentel.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
We're Robert wintrop from The FTN Fantasy Preseason Almanac is
a tremendously detailed, thorough complete preseason publication. I get two
preseason annuals every summer, and if you've listened to this show,
you know what they are. I buy Phil Steele's College
Football Preview, which is the best, and I take it

(12:37):
with me on vacation, and I get used to be
football outsiders. Now it's FTN Fantasy. It's the exact same
cast of writers and contributors. It's the exact same almanac.
It's just published by a different website. I get those two.
They are the best. They are the best, especially the
FTN one. If you love wagering, specifically futures. And Robert

(13:01):
Wintraub wrote the Bengals chapter. He's gonna join us coming
up at four oh five. We'll get to the Reds
and FC Cincinnati coming up in just to Bett went
to Camp higher Ground. Today, we'll spend some time on
UC football as well. There are other questions that have
to be asked about our Marius Mims. I will ask them.
Maybe you'll have answers. We'll find out together. Seventeen after
three o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Since semestering from ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Thirty Studios, which I guess makes sense since since the
station we're on, it would be like a little bizarre
if we were broadcasting from like the Kiss one oh
seven Studios. We are powered by Cincinnati's roofing and exterior
restoration Expertsmadewill Restoration dot Com. Anything your home's exterior needs

(13:47):
made well Restoration dot Com. Little ll Cool Jay that
doesn't That doesn't make me. I like that you play
more L cool Jay less pitpull Les, Will.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Smith heren and and we'll be will be just fine.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Robert Wintraub is gonna join us, the author of the
Bengals chapter of the FTN Preseason Almanac. By the way,
last year he had the Browns being better than the
Bengals preseason, which kind of proved to be the case.
He does not have that this year. He does not
have that this year, which is I guess encouraging. The
a Marius Mims thing is something that we have talked

(14:21):
about extensively, and when I say we, we as fans
over the last twenty four hours, and obviously we who
do things like talk shows and podcasts and things like that,
this has become a Marius Mims by many many accounts,
was the story of Camp, and so the story of Camp, well,

(14:42):
there's now a different chapter to it. It's his pectoral injury,
which we'll learn more about the injury itself with one
of the experts from Wortho Sinciat for thirty three. Here's
what I think is an interesting question, and it's not
one that any of us have an answer to. First
of all, wen'sa Maris man is going to be ready physically?

(15:03):
When's he going to be cleared? Is that in time
for the opener? Let's say that magically it was. Would
the Bengals feel comfortable playing him as the starter week
one despite having missed the last three and a half
four weeks of practices.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
It feels like the safe assumption is that he's not
going to be available for week one. That seems to
be seems to be the assumption that we're all making.
And again, if we end up being wrong about that
and he's good to go for the first game, no
one's going to be upset. But it does feel like,
at least for right now, the assumption we're working with

(15:51):
is he won't be able to play the first game, which, okay,
the question I have is, and it's kind of rhetorical
because I don't think any of us have the answer
because the season hasn't started yet. When he is cleared
whenever that is, would the Bengals feel comfortable having him

(16:20):
replace Trent Brown. The answer to that question lies with, well,
how's Trent Brown playing?

Speaker 3 (16:29):
How are the other offensive lineman playing? Right?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I mean, we can't answer that right now, but I
think it's it's going to be kind of interesting. Like,
you know, again, as we talked about a Marius Mims
during camp, obviously, I think the first thing we all
think of is his size.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
He's huge, and then.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
You know, we all think of, okay, well, long term,
he's got a chance to be really, really good. Every
evaluator felt that way. In the short term if he's
a better option than Trent Brown, you can tap into
some of that upside early. But if he's not playing,
you're delaying tapping into some of that upside. And at

(17:06):
the very least, if he was gonna play early, you
knew there might be some times where he struggled, You
knew there might be some times where he played like
a rookie, but he could at least get some of
that stuff that comes with being a rookie behind him
very very early. What I think is interesting is if
he doesn't start the season healthy, but he does come

(17:27):
back healthy soon thereafter, Let's say after two games, how
long until he gets into a game. They're not NFL
teams don't rotate offensive lineman. That's maybe they should. That's
kind of a college thing, one might say, it's right
now a little bit more of a high school thing.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
How long until he sees the field?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
And then what does that do for his long term development?

Speaker 3 (17:59):
And again, I'm.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I fully believe every evaluator who says a Marius Mims
has a chance to be a very good player, and
everything he had done prior to and including the game
on Saturday, would suggest the Bengals really have someone here
who can help. But are they so bullish on a
Marius that when he's healthy he plays kind of doesn't

(18:22):
feel like that. Now the answer becomes yes, I suppose
if Trent Brown falls flat on his face, or if
Trent Brown gets hurt and they're having to play a
backup who's really a third stringer, really a third option,
and then you're gonna put a Marius Mims in. But
let's say Trent Brown plays at the level the Bengals
expected when they drafted him. Is is a Marius Mims

(18:46):
gonna take over? And if he's not, how does his
long term development get affected by missing a bunch of
time during training camp, missing as to play anymore in
the preseason, and now sitting again. These are kind of
first world problems. If we're talking about this being one

(19:08):
of the major questions, major concerns midway through August, we're
we're living, right, I mean, because all the other stuff,
I don't want to say it's all been fixed, but
all the other stuff seems pretty good right now. Bengals
first team offense played well on Saturday, emerged from that
action unscathed. T Higgins was terrific. They might have the

(19:30):
deepest wide receiver room in the history of the sport
of Jermaine Burton is their six wide receiver. They had
some guys on defense on Saturday night who showed out.
I was really impressed by what I saw from Dax Hill.
Josh Newton had kind of an up and down night,
but the up was really good. The rest of the
offensive lineman not named Jackson Carmen did some pretty good stuff.

(19:50):
Like there's we're dealing with real first world problems here.
Here's this promising first round pick who's had a great camp,
and we're wondering if and when he he comes back,
when might he be able to play? But it's still
a fair question, and again, Trent Brown's play is going
to impact the how that gets answered in a major,

(20:11):
major way. But I do think it's an interesting I
do think it's a It's an interesting thing to discuss
and will be an interesting thing to discuss assuming that
a Marius is you know, okay enough that you know
he's he's not missing a huge swath of time once
the regular season begins. But it's interesting. A week ago
we were wondering could he start Week one? Now you're

(20:34):
being reasonable if you wonder is he gonna start it
all in the first two months of the season through
no fault of his own. Three thirty uh five point
three seven four nine, fifteen thirty. We'll get the phone
calls coming up here in just a bit. Tony Pike
at Bengals training camp. Sports headlines next DESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Since he three sixty with Tony Pike, if we.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Want to move on to keep going and Boston, I
think you should continue, let me keep going.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
There Sincy three sixty tomorrow Which twelve News on ESPN
fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
ESPN lines our service of Kelsey Chevrolet, home of lfetime
power train protection and guaranteed credit approval from their family
to yours for life at kelseyschev dot com.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Another day of.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Practice for the Bengals today is they get set for
trip to Chicago.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
They leave for the Windy City tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
They'll have a joint practice against or with the Bears
on Thursday, and then play a game against the Bears
on Saturday, with a whole lot of Bengals starters not
seeing the field. Saturday's game is at one o'clock. You'll
hear it live on ESPN fifteen thirty, with pregame coverage
beginning at.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Nine oh five.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Meanwhile, Reds and Cardinals tonight at GABP, second of three
Red's looking for a third consecutive victory. They give the
ball to Cy Young candidate Hunter Green. Eric Fetti will
throw for Saint Louis. Excuse me, six forty this evening
on a seven hundred WLW. Red starting lineup hopefully hopefully
made well thanks to Madewell restoration. Jonathan India's leading off

(22:10):
Ellie de la Cruz a short bats second, Tyler Stevenson
is catching and hitting third, TJ. Friedland center, Spencer Steer
coming off a two homer nineties in left field, betting fifth,
Jamber Candelario's at first base, he will bat six. Ty
France d H's Jake Freanley's in right field. Santiago Espinal,
by the way, we've we've criticized the Reds for a

(22:31):
lot of different things, and there's been a lot of
frustration attached to how excuse me this season has unfolded.
Santiago Espinal's numbers recently have certainly boosted his overall season totals.
He has turned out to be a nice pickup and
a pickup under duress, a guy that they kind of

(22:54):
panictraded for in the aftermath of excuse me, Matt McLean's
injury and all the different injuries the Reds dealt with
as spring training came to an end. He has played
every infield position beyond first base. They've put him in
left field, which he hasn't played. I don't think is
a pro and he's done a nice job in an

(23:15):
ideal world in Santiago West. But I'll still in Toronto
Blue Jays because the team didn't deal with all the
injuries that dealt with towards the end of spring training.
But given what they were dealing with, he has turned
out to be a nice pickup. See see you do
it both ways. He has turned out to be a
nice pickup. Reds are looking for a third straight win.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Back.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Like right before the trade deadline, we.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Discussed whether or not they're going to be buyers or sellers,
and then in the immediate aftermath of the trade deadline
we talked about the fact that they.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Were really neither.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
They traded away Frankie Montas, so you know, they did
sort of wave the white flag on the season. They
threw in the towel, whatever verbage you want to use.
But it's not like the was a big fire sale.
It's only they traded like a way that decimated the
core of the team didn't make sense to because the
core of the team still has a chance to be
pretty good. And my take at the time was, all right,

(24:11):
you know, for the rest of the season, what do
we expect. Well, let's let's see the Reds clean up
some of the slop. I watched on Friday as Candelario
got thrown out being waived home in a game they
trailed eight to one. That's not exactly cleaning up the slop.
But my take at the time was there are gonna

(24:31):
be moments where maybe they make the off they make
the front office look bad because this team isn't terrible.
There are a lot of really truly terrible teams on
the sport right now. The Reds are not among them.
And the starting pitching they got a very efficient starting

(24:53):
pitching performance last night from Andrew Abbot. I'm still bullish
on Andrew Abbot's future. The team is just good enough
that it's not gonna totally fade into oblivion. They're probably
just good enough to be four and a half, three
and a half, three four somewhere that many games out

(25:14):
of the wildcard. They're not good enough to win it.
So they had a losing weekend in Milwaukee, they had
a winning road trip, they win yesterday. They've won five
out of eight, They've won six out of ten. Now,
let's be honest, they're really gonna have to kick it
in the gear, really gonna have to kick it in
the gear if they even have a prayer of coming

(25:36):
close to competing for a playoff spot. They're gonna have
to win a lot of games in a short amount
of time. I still make it about getting to a
win total than I do their proximity to the wildcard
in the game's back column. But they're probably still just
good enough that a month from now you might not

(25:57):
be able to convince yourself they're a playoff team or
going to be a playoff team. But you're gonna look
at the standings and go, you know, you know, maybe
they're just a good week away, Like they're just not
bad enough to totally. The games have taken on sort

(26:19):
of a September field. Last night at the ballpark felt
like mid September, not mid August, mid September with the
team just kind of playing out the string, and they're
not They're just they're just good enough to be on
the fringe. And if you don't like that, like I've maintained,

(26:39):
they're to the point where just call me when the
wins out number the losses. Not that I'm not gonna
pay attention either way, i am, but when the wins
out number the losses, I'll take them.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Seriously.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
They're still three hundred five hundred despite playing okay over
the last week or so. More on that insanely eight
iven Good Sports Talk Radio take coming up in uh
in just a bit five, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty.
Also tonight, Florence is taking on Windy City and the
Cincinnati Open. The Cincinnati Open, which we will be broadcasting

(27:15):
from Tony is actually going to be broadcasting from there
tomorrow from noon to three, and I'll be there on
Thursday from three to six. So most definitely looking forward
to that. It is an absolutely awesome venue. It's something I.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Was gonna do. Ben Shelton.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Ben Shelton's playing today, friend of the show and my
favorite current American tennis player is playing today, So Hopefully
he has a successful run in Cincinnati and maybe he
can appear back on the show with me on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Speaking of Tony Pike, he joins us from Bengals training camp.
Next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
I'm John Walzach, host of the new podcasts Care.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Training Camp, court Proof to you, bar Kimber, credit you
on ESPN fifteen thirty, The Official Home of the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, a lot of moving parts at Bengals training camp today.
No Jamar Chase and like not even there. And we
know he hasn't been practicing, but like not even there.
No BJ Hill, no Jake Browning. Fortunately there for us
is our buddy Tony Pike. He is at Bengals practice
right now. Tony, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (28:29):
It's just been one of the weirder days of training
camp that I can remember. So you mentioned and there's updates.
So bj Hill just had a baby. He's expected to
be back tonight. So no injury news on BJ Hill,
Jake Browning. Zach Taylor said he's got a rib issue.
He's going to miss some time. No idea what that means,
No idea what the timeframe is? Uh and then oddly enough,

(28:51):
he said Jamar Chase is day to day. No idea
because Jamar Chase hasn't practiced, so he can't have some
type of injury designation, but he said things with Jamar
Chase are day to day. He has no other comment
on that you mentioned. It's just odd that Jamar has
been out here every day and now he's not. And

(29:12):
you don't want to speculate in this situation, but if
if you wondered, okay, what could this be? You know
his has Jamar reached the point where he's now frustrated
that nothing has been done, and he says, okay, me
take myself away from the football team and see if
that changes anything. Or maybe he's missing because he's sick.
We don't know. It would be speculation. But the wording

(29:32):
very confusing is this is Zach Taylor just said this,
you know moments ago that Jamar Chase was day to
day at this point. So an odd day. And that's
not even what happened on the practice field, which I
thought collectively was the offense's worst day of training camp
and a day where I've seen Joe Burrow visibly more
frustrated than I think I've seen him on a practice

(29:52):
field before.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
At this point, Wow, is he frustrated with himself? With
his teammates? Is he just frustrated by the fact if
the Jamar's not there as he frustrated the bj Hill
didn't name the kid Joe.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Why is he frustrated?

Speaker 7 (30:05):
Right?

Speaker 4 (30:06):
I think it's a little bit of everything. I think
everything's just starting to boil over. Offense didn't have a
good day yesterday. He missed three or four throws that
he normally makes. Today, he threw a ball behind andre
Yosi Vash that got batted up that Joe Batchi intercepted.
There was constant pressure on him in the team drills
today that would have likely resulted in socks. So I

(30:27):
think on one point, he's frustrated because he probably doesn't
feel like himself yet, and he's been very open to
talk about that with the risk and the development. Add
on that, now you've got rotating pieces at the offensive
line a day like today, Jamar is not even out here.
He didn't go through team drills, So I think there's
frustration on every level. The offense is not operating like

(30:50):
he wanted it to. Probably doesn't feel like he's himself yet,
and his two favorite targets weren't out here practicing. One
of them hasn't been out here all of training Camping
didn't even show up to the practice today. So it's
just like I said, it's just a weird day today.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
The Jake Browning situation, so he's gonna miss some time
with a rib issue. Who is the quarterback that plays
Week one if Jake Browning's not available and Joe Burrow
something happens to him.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Logan Woodside currently, Yeah, Logan Woodside would currently be the guy.
So you know, I just it is it from a
from a day to day standpoint. We mentioned the word
day to day from Zach Taylor. From a day to
day standpoint, things have been very interesting this weekend. You know,
when you look at things in the grand scale mode.

(31:41):
This was the last practice in Cincinnati this week. They
travel Tomorrow, joint practice, Thursday off Friday, they play Saturday,
they come back on Sunday, practice, Monday, joint practice, Tuesday
off day, Wednesday, colts on Thursday, and then the season's here.
Turn camp is over. So there's not a ton more
opportunities left for this team to get the work that

(32:02):
they need to get done on the field, and I
think that does require a little bit of a sense
of urgency right now.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
The I'm gonna play the audio here in a second
Zach Taylor talking about Jamar Chase. This amplifies something that
you and I have both talked about. Jamar Chase's issue,
to the best of our knowledge, is not with Zach Taylor.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
It's not with his teammates.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
It's with the lack of movement by people that Zach
Taylor works for. And yet again you have somebody here
who's effectively middle management, who has to be the spokesperson
for all parties involved. I feel for Zach Taylor, like
I feel bad for him, but I do think the
verbiage he used day to day for a player who

(32:45):
hasn't practiced yet is interesting, in particular given the fact
that the team is traveling tomorrow and they do practice
on the road on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Well, to this point, Mo, it's been what, there's been
a plan in place. Communication has been great, that's all
we've heard. And the unique part about today is they
make an announcement to the media at the middle of
practice and say, Zach is going to give a comment
on Jamar Chase after practice, which is odd in itself, right,
because if it's just day to day or if it's
another day, why wouldn't you just address that with the

(33:15):
media and say, hey, you know someone from Bengals media
can come over, Hey, click update on Jamar. You know
he's not out here and everything's still going. Well, it's
just a day where he's doing stuff inside. Right, It's
just weird in the middle of practice to say, well,
there's going to be a quote on Jamar Chase and
then it's a day to day quote. It just didn't
add up to the messaging that's been happening all training

(33:35):
camp to this.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Why does Zach have to to go?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I mean, like, I know there are there are certain
set you know, media availabilities, and that has often you know,
grabbed off the field once the day's practice is over.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
If there's no real change in Jamar's status.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Right, they haven't announced a new contract extension, he's not
announced a hold out.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Why, I I don't understand.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Why make it a dog and pony show like that?

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yeah that I I don't.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I don't understand, and I'm gonna and I'm willing to
bet to like Zach Taylor didn't go, you know what
I'm gonna do is I'm gonna take this and go
ahead and make a statement that boy, this this just
gets weirder by the moment.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Yeah, Bengals, the Bengals communication department could have easily because
they're around, you know, like today every day at camp
there is media members around from the Bengals that say, hey,
you can video this period or not. You can film
and take pictures, but don't in this you could have
very easily said, hey, it's no big deal with jamorrow.
He's not here today, he'll be traveling tomorrow, or you know,

(34:40):
the communication is still there. But like you said, it's
just weird that in practice they announced that Zach's gonna
address Jamar Chase after practice and in addressing him, all
they say is he's day to day. It's just it's
it's a bizarre day and it comes on the heels
of a bad offensive practice.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, and then that Jake Browning news isn't isn't great?
All right, we'll chat again coming up at four forty five. Tony,
Thank you so much. All right, Tony, back at it
tomorrow as well. For Sincy Threety sixty Bengals Bears, Saturday
afternoon kickoff at one Live HONEYESPN fifteen thirty, Tara, go
ahead and play this. We pill for this from our
buddy Joe Daniman at Fox nineteen. Here is Zach Taylor's

(35:20):
very very brief update on the players or who are
among those not available today during the workout.

Speaker 8 (35:28):
Yep, quick update, Jamar, day to day. We'll take it
one day at a time. I don't have any comment
beyond that. DJ Hill out of baby. He'll be back
tonight and Jake Browning has rib issue and he'll miss
some time with that. Troy Walter Scott punts for audience.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
Think, okay, so appreciate you about Brad Robbin.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
All right, Brad Robbins also not practicing today. Congratulations to
BJ Hill and his significant other. The Jake Browning news
is not significant by any stretch of the imagination, because well,
if he's going to miss some time, oh miss some
time means what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Week one? Are you comfortable going into the season?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Logan Woodside has kind of knocked around the NFL, I
think for a longer time than anybody would have imagined.
When the Bengals first picked him up a few years ago.
Are you comfortable with Logan Woodside having to play meaningful
snaps in again in the counts and the Jamar Chase thing.
I can only go based on what we know, And
what we know is Jamar Chase has held a sit

(36:31):
in since camp started. The sit in is let's go
ahead and assume connected to the team's unwillingness to sign
him to a long term contract extension or inability might
be the better word, inability to sign him to a
long term contract extension. The approach to this point has
not manifested itself in a new deal getting done. Hasn't

(36:54):
resulted in a new deal getting done. I don't know
why I had to get fancy there. The approach to
this point hasn't resulted in a new deal getting done.
So is Jamar changing his approach? And do the Bengals responding? Kind?
Interesting day? Interesting guest on the Bengals coming up next.

(37:17):
Robert wintrob is awesome. He joins us at four h
five on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
All right, there you go, It's four oh four ESPN
fifteen thirty. Moegger here, Glad, lad that you're with us today.
Robert Wintraub. In just a second, one thing really quick.
We played Zach Taylor audio from Bengals practice. Jamar Chase
isn't there and not not there in the way he
hasn't been there so far, like nowhere to be seen.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Zach called him day to day.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Jake Browning's got a rib issue that'll keep him out
for a while. He also at the end there you
heard him mention Brad Robbins. Brad Robbins was at practice
at the beginning and then left with a trainer.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
So a bizarre day.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
The good news is Bjhill's wife had a baby, which
is awesome.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
BJ is expected back tonight.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Tony is gonna join us again from a Bengals training
camp coming up at four forty five. Plus we have
a Brennman and Jones on baseball as well. We have
this conversation around this time every single year. It goes
back god by now maybe ten years. Robert Weintraub contributes
a weekly Bengals column for Cincinnati Magazine and last year
joined us every single week during the football season to

(38:33):
talk about it. He is also one of the contributors
to an almanac that we started to talk about and
have Robert on to comment on when it was put
together by Football Outsiders. It has since moved to Ftnfantasy
dot Com, which last year was the first year. It's
the exact same almanac, most of the same contributors. Robert
typically does the Bengals chapter. He's done it this year.

(38:57):
It is an absolute must. It is the single best
preseason NFL publication you can find. Get it now at
ftnfantasy dot Com. And you could correct me if I'm wrong, Robert.
Last year, you did not write the Bengals chapter. They
don't make the playoffs. If it could go wrong, it did,
so the editors did the right thing. They put you
back on the Bengals this year.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Oh as much as I would love to go down
that road with you and think along those lines, I
did write the Bengals, Okay, I couldn't remember I did. Okay,
he did the happy years when I when I did not.
And I like to think that the Bengals right fortunes
rise and fall with whether or not I write about
them in the preseason.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
But it's not necessarily cause and effect.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
However, what I do know is that I did it
this year, and the Bengals are going to have a
much better season than they did last year, much less
injury hit.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
As we see in training camp already. Nothing was going wrong.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Nobody's falling, no players are holding out. Everything's copasetic and perfect.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Great to talk to you again, though, It's awesome to
have you so you he did a good job in
sort of outlining in the this year's chapter, which you
did right what went wrong last year? And I've said
really for months that from a very basic perspective, one
of the reasons why I'm bullish is last year, if
it could go wrong, it did. They were terrible on defense,

(40:18):
They had a healthy and productive Joe Burrow for a
handful of weeks, they were in the toughest division in
the sport, They had a first play schedule, and they
went nine and eight.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
If half of the stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
That went wrong goes right and Joe plays sixteen seventeen games,
there's no reason for me to expect they shouldn't improve
upon that.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
When you look at.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Things, maybe on a more granular level, where do you
expect this team to be markedly better?

Speaker 5 (40:46):
Yeah, as you mentioned, obviously we'll leave out Burrow because
if he doesn't play, all bets are off.

Speaker 7 (40:52):
You mentioned the schedule.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Not only was it difficult last year, it was actually
the eighth hardest schedule we've ever charted back to the
the late eighties, So it was pretty difficult.

Speaker 7 (41:02):
Your eyes did not deceive you this year.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
The schedule, you know, obviously you never really know what's
going to happen with these teams, but just based on
where we project them, shakes out much easier. In fact,
it's actually the fifth easiest. That's because in part because
they're playing the last play schedule, of course, and you know,
some of those teams that had incredible years last year,
like the Ravens by our efficiency numbers, and other teams

(41:26):
that were really good up there at Buffalo San Francisco,
aren't necessarily on the schedule this year. So that's part
of it. And I think you touched on things going wrong.
Really where it all begins and ends for me is
the tackling, which receded terribly in twenty twenty three. They
missed only seventy six tackles by our numbers. In twenty
twenty two that it ballooned to one hundred and twenty

(41:48):
four missed tackles last year, and when you look at
the terrible run numbers and all those explosive plays that
they gave up twenty three more twenty yard plays last
year than they did in twenty twenty two, run defense
bottom of the league, and virtually every advanced number. Really,
to me, it all comes back to tackling. I mean,
you can talk about this personnel, this scheme, whatever. You

(42:09):
get the guy on the ground and you do it
in you know, without having to chase him down from
fifteen yards away because the first guy missed. That makes
your defense look a whole lot better. Their run defense
in the red zone especially was atrocious, second to last
in the league last year, and that's another place.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
Where if you just fix that.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
It's one thing to get gashed, you know between the twenties,
but if the other team doesn't even have to pass
inside your twenty, then you.

Speaker 7 (42:36):
Got real issues there too.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
So if they can, you know, get the tackling back
to anywhere close to where it was in twenty twenty two,
and they improved greatly from the twenty twenty one numbers,
which were very similar to what they were last year.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
If you remember they.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Tightened it up for that playoff run and that carried
over into twenty twenty two, so it's not like they
haven't been able to do it in the past. And
if they can just repeat that, that sells a lot
of your issues on defense, and then Joe Burrow has
the ball more often, you have what you want, which
is the game being decided by the Bengals offense and
not their defense, and everything flows from there. So that's

(43:11):
really where it all begins and ends for me.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
It's one thing to expect the run defense to be better,
we all do. It's something else to expect the run
defense to be good. So what does what does fixing
that part of the defense look like?

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Well, that's again a great question, and it you know,
it takes a village.

Speaker 7 (43:27):
It wasn't just the defensive line, which is so easy to.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Point to, and of course without DJ Reader in there,
you know, it's not like Sheldon Rankins, his nominal replacement,
isn't a good run defender. He's actually he had basically
the same run advanced run stop numbers that that Reader
did last year. But you know, they're different kind of players.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
Readers more of.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
An absorbed the blocker type guy, and Rankins more of
a knife in and tackle, make the actual play type
of player, and he'll have to do some of that.

Speaker 7 (43:55):
But as we.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
Mentioned before, it's it's really not just the front floor,
but to me, it's it's the linebackers and the secondary.
Not to single out of Jermaine Pratt, but he has
six tackles in all of twenty twenty two in a
contract year, and then last year he missed seventeen. I
think we all know the linebackers weren't as good as
they played in twenty twenty two, and that has to improve.
Similar you know, the secondary. Not just do they have

(44:18):
to tackle better, but I think you saw, especially with
the safeties, that they got burned and they began to
doubt themselves and some of those big plays they gave
up really kind of bled over into other more fundamental
parts of the game, including just the basics of tackling
and playing against the run. And I think if you know,
you eliminate sort of the big plays against you and

(44:40):
make teams go to the full length of the field,
you know, a little bit of a time, and you
make them work harder, that just gives your defense much.

Speaker 7 (44:48):
More of a boost all the way through.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
And I think that's part of the reason why their defense,
the run defense was so bad last year. And if
they can just you know, get to a baseline level,
it's kind of the same way we talked about the
offensive line for all those years. If they can just
be league average in terms of mistackles and playing the run,
the games themselves and the overall unit looks so much different.
So I think that's where they'll get look to concentrate on.

(45:12):
And again, that's if they can manage that. Everything looks rosy.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
From your perspective. Robert win Trup is with us.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
The FTN Fantasy twenty twenty four preseason almanac is available
right now. Robert wrote the Bengals chapter Significant Changes at Safety.
I'm a big Geno Stone guy. Anybody who has watched
the Bengals loves von Bell. It just it feels like
significant improvement. Where should we see that play out the most?

Speaker 5 (45:41):
Well, I mean, yes, like we were talking about in
terms of those.

Speaker 7 (45:44):
Big plays, you know, I mean so many of.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
Those were really a product of guys either not being
in the right place or assuming that somebody was going
to be in the right place and letting them go
kind of handing off. If you will from one defender
to another in the passing game, only to turn around
and look, you know, like the Superman the Spider Man
name I should say, where the two guys on the

(46:07):
Bengals appointing each other saying you had him, no, you
had that was really a big problem.

Speaker 7 (46:13):
We know with von Bell that's not an issue. He
knows where everybody has to be.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
And it's not just you know, kind of making up
where they mess up and covering.

Speaker 7 (46:21):
For other guy's mistakes.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
It's getting into the huddle and getting into the even beforehand,
you know, into the film room and saying, look, the
other team wants to do this, here's where you have
to be when they present this certain look. And with
Geno Stone, you know, he's.

Speaker 7 (46:36):
Another heady player. He's not necessarily a guy's going to
wow you with his tackling or his ability to hit you.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
And you know, even some of his gaudy interception numbers
last year might have been a little flucish.

Speaker 7 (46:47):
I don't know if we can expect that this year.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
But the one thing he does do well is nowhere
he has to be on the.

Speaker 7 (46:52):
Field in relation to his own guys.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
So much of what Baltimore did well defensively last year
is because they allowed Kyle Hamilton to run and be a.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
Wrecking ball wherever they needed and wherever.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
They wanted, because they knew that Geno Stone was back
in the mouth and was going to be in the
right place to you know, cover that area of the
field that Kyle left to cause trouble. You know, if
the Bengals can have that, maybe to a smaller effect,
but if they can know for a fact that the
parts of the field where they were so worried about
last year are in good hands with both with Gino

(47:25):
and Von and also Jordan Battle, who played real well
as a rookie last year and can only get better.
You know, that takes a lot of the pressure off.

Speaker 7 (47:32):
Of your defense as well.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
And then again they're not thinking about, you know, worrying
about that. They can just fly to football and make
some of those tackles they didn't make last year.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
So it's all.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
It all flows, you know, back to front and front
to back, as I like to say. And if you're
not worrying about so much about one specific area of
your defense or part of the field, that that helps
your whole defense totally.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Let's talk about the other side of the football. We've
got to start with the offensive line. And obviously things
have changed over the last twenty four hours or so,
finding out that Amarus Mims is dealing with an injury
and it feels quite likely that he's not going to
play Week one. Before they drafted him, they signed Trent
Brown and we were okay with that. Put him under
the microscope for me, is he is he good? Is

(48:17):
he is he a guy that's just found a way
to survive? Is he a significant upgrade from what they've
had there? Break Trent Trent Brown down for me?

Speaker 5 (48:26):
Well, I think he could say that he is very
good when he plays, which is seldom. I mean, that's
really the issue with him. Again, it's the injury bugaboo.
He's missed thirty games in five years. At his highest,
when he's out there and when he's at his you know,
playing his best, he is an upgrade over over at
Jonah Williams and certainly an upgrade over the what we
call replacement level tackle, which is most of the backups

(48:49):
on the offensive line that we see the Bengals run
out there over the years. He's you know, he's got
excellent feet, he's physically just impossibly strong.

Speaker 7 (48:58):
I mean, you know, one of these streaks of nay.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
Sure that you just don't see very often, as you
can see by his size, you know, as in the side.

Speaker 7 (49:05):
The Bengals, actually we do a.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Thing where we wait every team's players by height, you know,
we kind of determine what's the tallest and shortest teams
in the league.

Speaker 7 (49:15):
The Bengals were the tallest.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
Team before they got Amarius Mims and Brown, so you
can imagine now you got a what they they have
to raise some of the doorways around the facility because
of these mammoth news that they have. So it all
comes down to me. For Brown, is you know, how
many games is.

Speaker 7 (49:31):
He gonna play? We talked a lot last year about
the fact that all.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
Five starters played all seventeen games and how rare that
was for any team, much less the Bengals especially, And
now we're already seeing Mims, a guy who came in
with injury concerns and not being able to make it
through the summer. He was super promising and we knew that,
and he looked like he was the part. But he's
got to be available, and now you're relying on Trent

(49:54):
Brown and the big bugaboo on him throughout his career
has been availability.

Speaker 7 (49:59):
And then we you don't have guys like that.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Every time you take away a potential starter or one
of your quote unquote elite players. Now you're well, you know,
you're turning to your depth pieces, and as we know,
those are best left untalked about. So you know, they
had basically we gaverage play up front last year and
that was a big reason why they could survive with
Jake browning in instead of Joe Burrow, you know, and

(50:23):
play very effectively on offense even without the great Burrow
in there. But you know, maybe now this year you'll
have Burrow back there. But again, the offensive line is
the is the part of the team where injuries take
their toll and you hate to see that. So hopefully
Brown will last as long as we need them to.
Him and MEM's can actually play together a little.

Speaker 7 (50:42):
Bit, which would be fascinating to see.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
And there won't be, you know, an all around breakdown
up front that you know obviously hasn't started particularly well
this summer.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, no question, And you know you you mentioned what
they did enjoy last year. They had league average offensive
line play from a line that that enjoyed remarkable connuity.
All five players started every game. Obviously there has been
a change of right tackle regardless of who's out there
week one. Should I just assume because they were so
healthy last year, that things are going to be I

(51:14):
don't want to say a rack, but that their depth
is going to be significantly tested this year because it
wasn't tested at all last year.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
And when it is, will they be up to the task?

Speaker 7 (51:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
It's kind of like in roulette, right, just because it
comes up red in one spin doesn't mean it's gonna be.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
Black the next.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
Uh yeah, I you know, listen, I think there's no
question we have to assume that they're not going to
get five times seventeen from the starters, you know. I mean,
that's just it's unusual for any team. And then it
becomes who goes down and for how long you know,
you can absorb a guy going I'm missing a game
here there?

Speaker 7 (51:50):
If Alex cares this is a game, Matt.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Lee looks like he's a promising backup perhaps and you
know it wouldn't hurt him.

Speaker 7 (51:57):
Like Quay as much.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
On the other hand, if both Brown and Men's are
out at the same time, and you're relying on a
lot of Cody Ford for the you know, back half
of the season, and god for bid, Jackson I won't
even say his last name pressing.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
You know, that looks a lot different.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
So it's not just the fact that they're gonna be
guys getting hurt. Almost certainly they're not going to have
that same level of health they did last year. But
the question is just how severe is it and for
sort of is a cluster injury is at a particular
spot on the line, or is it just a bunch
of nagging things that don't go away for guys that
they can sort of play through, you know, the Bengals
approve and they can mitigate you know, bad, flat out

(52:37):
bad offensive lines over the past couple of seasons. The
question is just how you know just how bad is
bad and what that means for a quarterback who you know,
we already have obviously great injury concerns about himself and
how much you know is is it going to be
worse for him to avoid injury while he's also running
for his life?

Speaker 7 (52:57):
I mean, you know, it's one.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Thing when he he's a spry rookie and he gets
hurt on kind of a fluke play, but now he's
been in the league four years and hasn't completed two
of them.

Speaker 7 (53:06):
The whole point of.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
It is to, you know, build a giant, impassable wall.

Speaker 7 (53:10):
Around him that's proven to be almost impossible. So the
question is just how many bricks have to be replaced?
And when I think is really the key.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
There are two more individual players who want to ask
you about Robert win Trump is with us. Mike Kisiki
becomes the latest in a long line of one year
prove it deals for tight ends in an offseason where
they've drafted two more, so they've got some versatility here.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
What do you like about Mike Kisiki, Well, he's you.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
Know, not even really a tight end. I mean, to
be honest, let's let's start there. He had forty five
targets last year. We charted him for only three when
he lined up in line. The rest were slot or
wide out. I mean, you know, that's the kind of
player he is. He's not going to block for you,
but he does give you a good deep scene threat,
which when they were sorely missing last year, and as

(53:59):
we know with you know that's one of his favorite
targets even going back to LSU, so.

Speaker 7 (54:04):
He'll give you that.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
You know, he is kind of as you mentioned, they
drafted a couple of tight ends. They have Drew Sample
and Tanner Hudson.

Speaker 7 (54:12):
Who give you, you.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
Know, certain things that are very important that they need,
you know, in terms of blocking and in terms of
how they're going to run their personnel. It's it's almost
but you can't play five different tight.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
Ends at once.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
You know, you can't play three running backs, and they
have all these wide receivers. You know, they can't line
up with seventeen or eighteen guys on offense. So how
they do and how they manage their personnel groupings this
year is really going to be fascinating, and how they
can disguise what they want to do from the other
team without giving it away based purely on who's on
the field. You know, when you see mikea Siki out there,

(54:45):
you're like, okay, well he's not going to be a
guy they're going to wham block behind. So how are
they going to you know, stay out of obvious either
pass or run situations depending on who they trot out there.
And I think that's going to be the real challenge,
not just for Zach Taylor, but for you know, first
year offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher, and you know, it maybe
helps it the first month of the season they only have,

(55:07):
really on paper, these one very difficult game in Kansas City,
and you'll see a lot of experimentation and a lot
of different guys out there playing with other different players.
You know, it's kind of getting away from what the
Bengals have been over the last few years, which is
you run out Chase Higgins, Boyd mixing and just our
guys are better than your guys and try and stop it.

Speaker 7 (55:26):
You know, we're going to do what we do. I
think you're going to see a lot different.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
You know way approached this year, whether it's you know,
scheme and how they line up under center or how
they line up, you know, with who is where on
the field, and it's going to be MIKEA.

Speaker 7 (55:41):
Sicky really fits into that. How are they going to
use him, deploy him, and how are they going to
disguise when he's on the field.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
What they want to do is going to be you know,
a very interesting aspect and it'll probably you know, turn
out to be a determination on how well he plays
this year.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
All right, I've got about two minutes.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
They have effectively traded Joe Mixon for Zach Moss.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Is that a net game?

Speaker 5 (56:06):
I think it's probably a slight net game at this point,
just based on the age and he can't rely on Mixing,
you know, at this stage of his career really anymore.

Speaker 7 (56:15):
How much more?

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Maybe he his one good year left in him. But
you know, they kind of did the Belichick got rid of.

Speaker 7 (56:20):
Him a year early rather than the year too late.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
I mean, we've been talking about Mixon in the past
game ever since we've been talking, you know, about Joe
Mixing coming to Cincinnati. They finally used him effectively that way.

Speaker 7 (56:32):
I mean, he had fifty catches last year. They're going
to have to replace that.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
Fortunately, Zach Moss is a guy who made a lot
of plays in the passing game in Indianapolis last year.

Speaker 7 (56:41):
You're not losing anything in that respect.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
You are losing about twenty pounds, however, which does you
know from a strictly physical budgeoning sledgehammer AFC North standpoint.

Speaker 7 (56:53):
Worries me a little bit. You know, he's a guy
who really only played.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
About half the year last year as featured back before
Jonathan Taylor returned from injury. Mixon had about eighty more
carries than he did last year. And how well will
will Moss hang up hold up over the year, You.

Speaker 7 (57:10):
Know, it remains to be seen.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
And inside the five yard line he was only three
of eleven in his carries getting into the end zone.
Things like that where you really need just more weight
in your running back play. I worry that that's where
they'll they'll miss mixing.

Speaker 7 (57:24):
Overall, I think it's basically a bit of a wash.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
They'll get more explosive plays out of Moss than they
did mixing and more tackles broken and eluded.

Speaker 7 (57:32):
I think so.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Between that and the lack of heavyweight play in the
backfield and the excellence in the passing game, it's basically
about the same.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
The FTN Football Almanac twenty twenty four Aaron Shotz is,
I don't want to make him man. Aaron shots Is.
FTN Football Ominac twenty twenty four is available right now
Ftnfantasy dot Com. You know, I'm a fan for the uninitiated.
When they get it, what are they going to read?

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Well, it's you know, team team breakdown of just what
we've been talking about. Advanced numbers, a lot of film study,
a lot of fantasy, especially with FTN in charge.

Speaker 7 (58:08):
Now that's a fantasy company. So there's you know.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
Whole reams of fantasy advice and who's going to be
a breakout candidates, guys who wouldn't have thought about, and
you know, just really good and witty and informative writing that.

Speaker 7 (58:23):
You don't find I like to thank you anyway in
a lot of other places.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
And you know, a real kind of holistic view of
all the teams in the league and how they want
to try and win and whether or not they'll be
capable of it this year.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Go get it now. It is an awesome resource. Ftnfantasy
dot Com. Robert Wintroup wrote the Bengals chapter always awesome
to have you. We are going to chat throughout the
season every week. Man, I can't wait. Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (58:48):
Should be great Mo. Thanks as always, Buddy, Thanks.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
The preseason almanac is a must Ftnfantasy dot Com. We
are way late twenty six after four ESPN fifteen to thirty.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Thanks going to.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Join us in fifteen minutes plus Bredeman and Jones on baseball,
Zach Taylor says Jamar Chase is day to day.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I feel for I feel for Jim. I was gonna
say I feel for Jamar. I feel for.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Zach here because he's he's really you know, I've talked
about this a ton, He's really stuck in the middle.
Jamar Chase's issues aren't with Zach Taylor. Jamar Chase's issues
are with the organization not giving him a contract.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
And I again like, I don't I don't blame either
side here.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I just I have a hard time yelling and screaming
that Jamar Chase is in the wrong, and I have
a hard time yelling and screaming that the Bengals are
in the wrong.

Speaker 7 (59:39):
Here.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
What I do know is that Zach Taylor's being asked
to speak about something that clearly matters to him because
his job is easier if he has Jamar Chase. Jamar
Chase can't be given a contract by Zach Taylor. Zach's
gotta very carefully thread the needle. He can't alienate his players,
want to alienate his player at least, and doesn't want

(01:00:00):
to piss off the people that he works for. The
question that I have remains, is Jamar Chase willing to
miss football games. Maybe his absence today and maybe not,
by the way, but maybe his absence today is meant
to send a message that I'm willing to miss football games.
By the way, maybe his absence today is connected to

(01:00:20):
the possibility, the distinct possibility of a deal getting done
here very soon, and maybe one being imminent. I don't know.
I don't know. What I do know is Zach is
constantly being asked to answer to something that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
He really does have very little to do with sports.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Headlines, And we'll learn more about what Amarus Mins is
dealing with next on ESPN fifteen thirty Sports Headlines. Service
at Kelsey Chevrolet, home of lifetime powertrain protection and guaranteed
credit approval from their family to yours for life kelseyshev
dot com as Tony Pike put it a wee day

(01:01:00):
at Bengals training camp, Jake Browning didn't practice today. He's
dealing with a rib issue. According to Zach Taylor, he
will miss some time. Jamar Chase nowhere to be seen today.
Taylor says Jamar is right now quote day to day.
Brad Robbins left the field early in practice with a trainer.

(01:01:22):
Bengals are off tomorrow. They're in Chicago on Thursday for
a joint practice. They play the Bears in Chicago on
Saturday afternoon. That game at one live on ESPN fifteen
thirty Pregame coverage begins at nine o'clock in the morning. Meanwhile,
Reds and Cardinals Tonight at GABP Hunter Green and Eric
Fetti on the Hill six forty Tonight seven hundred WLW. Hey,

(01:01:45):
let's hope tonight's Red starting lineup is made well. It
comes to you thanks to our friends at Madewell Restoration.
Go to Madwell Restoration dot com India. L. E. Stevenson,
friedel Steer, Candelario, France's, Dhing Freeley's and Right espinall at
third base and Red's looking for a third consecutive victory
and looking for a series victory if they can beat

(01:02:07):
the Cardinals. Tonight, Florence takes on Windy City. We do
this typically on Wednesdays, but we're doing it today because
of the Amarus Mims situation. We chat injuries with the
experts from Orthos. Since Orthos, since he has specialists and
locations across the tri State, they offer walk in Orthopedic
Urgent Care walk in meeting. You don't need an appointment

(01:02:29):
nine A to nine P and Saturday's nine A to
one P. Learn more at Orthosinc dot com. That's Ortho
ci ncy dot com. Doctor Matthew Grnkemeyer from Orthos. Since
he is with us, let's begin with Amrius Mimes. So
he suffers this injury, it's a pectoral strain. Remind us

(01:02:51):
what the pectoral muscle does.

Speaker 9 (01:02:54):
Yeah, the pectoral muscles. What helps you give somebody a
hug or a bear hug or in the case of him,
probably a tackle or defend a tackle.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Are there for an injury like this? Are there different grades?

Speaker 9 (01:03:05):
Yes, there are. Any muscle injury, you can have a mild, moderate,
or severe muscle there, and that's going to be really
what dictates his recovery. Hopefully it's mild or moderate, with
which case he could be back within a week or two.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
What is the normal course of treatment for an injury
like this, I mean it's really going.

Speaker 9 (01:03:24):
To be your rest ice, anti inflammatories, probably some physical therapy,
maybe some e stem or something to try to get
that muscle, those muscle fibers to heal up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Are there any concerns based on what we know that
he'll be able to play at one hundred percent this season.

Speaker 9 (01:03:40):
I would think so.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Yes, most muscle injuries that these athletes can can fully
recover from.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Are there risks if he attempts to play through pain?

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
Probably not, as long as there's no structural damage.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Is a sports medicine physician? Can you evaluate on the
sideline and determine in real time when an athlete strains
a peck muscle? Or do you need a series of
other tests?

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Yeah, most muscle inters.

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
Can be pretty acutely diagnosed. You may not know the
full extent of it without further testing, though.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
All right, so a strain pec twirl, we're dealing with
something that doesn't make you think this could be the
sort of thing that really lingers too deep into the season.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
All right, let's talk about Charlie Jones, wide receiver punt returner,
who's dealing with a patella contusion. He suffered this while
banging knees during a practice. What range of injuries typically
come from one athlete banging knees with another.

Speaker 9 (01:04:36):
Yeah, that's easy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
A blunt trauma, and it could be really painful if
it gets down deep and it's what we call a
bone bruise. It's hopefully more superficial. He should bounce back
from this within a week or.

Speaker 9 (01:04:48):
Two, but a bone bruise can take a long time,
even as long as a month even.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Six weeks to heal up, especially at the level of
a kneecap, so that'll be kind of a wait and
see thing.

Speaker 7 (01:04:58):
I didn't get the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Privilege to look at his MRI, which might give me
a little more information here, so that'll definitely be a
wait and see. Thankfully, there's no structural damage liking an
injury it's reported.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
So is this typically something that you could you could
at least do some sort of physical activity while it heals.

Speaker 9 (01:05:14):
Yes, yeah, it's not one of those where you can
kind of play through it, but of course you want
to do that safely, within the range of what it's
comfortable is so he doesn't go on to develop a
stress fracture or something more severe that would knock him
out for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
All right, I want to ask you about another NFL
player dealing with an injury that might be for someone
like myself a bit of a tongue twister. Hollywood Brown,
Kansas City Chiefs Wide receiver suffered a sterno clavicular joint dislocation.
I think I said that. Okay, I'm not going to
try it again. Tell me what that injury is.

Speaker 9 (01:05:48):
That's potentially life threatening injury. Wow, that is where the
collar bone meets sternum. And right behind there, of course,
is your major blood vessels that feed your next such
as a crowdit art, your wind pipe trick, yeah, you're esophagus.
All those really important structures live right there. So we
usually don't see that from sports. It's usually like a

(01:06:08):
high grade car accident or really high time trauma. So
it just shows you the level of course that these
athletes are playing with. I don't know there are some
surgical techniques that they'll use to try to repair that
if it becomes chronically unstable, but my guess is he'll
be out for at least sixtieths twelve weeks because that's

(01:06:30):
pretty serious injury.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
No, this strikes me as a pretty big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Not that not that the other injuries aren't, but you
talked about this being life threatening. Kind of walk me
through during that timeline, what the treatments and the recovery
and rehab looked like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
My guess is.

Speaker 9 (01:06:46):
He'll be in a sling starting extented period time to
allow those ligaments to heal, and then they'll do some
type of you know, imaging or stress testing to see
if the ligaments around the joint have healed, and if so,
he may be able to resume play. But like I said,
I put this on the longer end of recovery and short.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
All right, One more to ask you about Matt McClain
of the Reds. We have been dealing with this all
year long. Suffered cartilage dabber, cartilage damage and a laboram
tear on his left shoulder that was the original injury
suffered back during spring training. He has been ramping up
toward returning and doing a rehab assignment that has been
put on ice for a while because he is dealing

(01:07:23):
with a stress reaction in his rib cage. He's had
oblique strains before. Let me let me start with that.
Could the rib cage stress reaction be related to the
oblique injury with him that we talked about last year?

Speaker 9 (01:07:36):
Yeah, it could be most likely. I mean that's where
the attachments are for those and just his whole you know,
kind of the way he's torquing his thore axe and
in order to get the force that he needs to
propel the ball is going to be probably an issue there.

(01:07:58):
And you know also with the damage to labraam is throwing,
the kicks are probably a little different. So yeah, these
are all these are all issues that would probably be
best treatd with some time off.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
And in my opinion, it's mid August.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
The season ends in a month and a half. I
think most of us as fans, we kind of throw
our hands up and go, look, matt we'll see in
goodyear next February. Don't worry about twenty twenty four. Let's
work with an ie toward twenty twenty five. From a
medical professionals perspective, is that a valid opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
I think it is.

Speaker 7 (01:08:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
I mean I'm going to defer to his treatment team,
but yeah, they got to be very reasonable decision for
him to make.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
That good stuff there. You go appreciate the time. As always,
we do this usually on Wednesdays. Today we did it
on Tuesday. Dr Matthew Grnkemeyer from Orthos Sincy say this
all the time. The great thing about the people at
Arothos Sincy is they have specialist locations across the Tri State,
which includes walk In Orthopedic urgent care during the week
nine to nine, nine a to nine p in on

(01:09:00):
Saturdays nine am to one pm, and Edgewood and Anderson,
which is where I took my daughter when she broke
her foot. It's easier and cheaper than going to an
er when you have an urgent orthopedic injury. Just go
to Orthosinc dot com. That's Ortho c I n c
Y dot com. Tony Pike at Bengals training camp next.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Okay, sorry, training Camp Training Hollywood Casino, Lauras, ESPN fifteen thirty.
The official home of Pike.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Is with us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Joins us every hour during training camp. About an hour ago,
he described today as weird. No, Jamar Chase, Jake Browning
not practicing. He's got a ribbage you. Brad Robbins came
off the field with a trainer. Has has anything happened
since we talked an hour ago?

Speaker 7 (01:09:54):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
When we talked an hour ago, practice was wrapping up.
That is when Zach Taylor gave us the the update
on Jamar Chase and bj Hill and Jake Browning and
mostly both the last hour, I've learned that social media
can be a dangerous place if you have to report
on anything negative that happens over the course of practices
instead of just mostly the positives.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
So are people mad at you for reporting what you've observed?

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
I think it's more so mad that I am observing
what I'm observing. You know, I have. I've been asked
for a couple of years now to just go down
and talk about what I see at practice, stuff that
I've kind of accumulated from playing college ball in a
small portion in the NFL. But you know, I think
there's a portion of what can be misconstrued in Joe

(01:10:40):
Burrow being frustrated and Joe Burrow not being able to
play to his capabilities this year. I think that's where
the problem is. I believe in Joe Burrow, but I
think you could see why things would be boiling up,
correct you. You don't having Marius Mims for a couple
of weeks, he was playing really well. The offensive line
struggle for the last group a couple of days. Has
thrown a couple of picks over the last couple of days,

(01:11:02):
and well he's been He's been much more vocal the
last couple of days of getting guys. There are still
alignment issues with some of the young wide receivers or
route issues, and at the beginning of camp we viewed
this as a positive right as well. These guys are
getting a lot of reps and they're developing some depth
at wide receiver. Joe Burrow's mindset now is there's a

(01:11:23):
joint practice on Thursday, there's a game on Saturday, there's
a joint practice next Tuesday, and then the final preseason
game in the season is here. It's not like there's
time to continue to bring these guys along. I'm sure
Joe Burrow is frustrated in himself a little bit. He's
talked about not being one hundred percent healthy yet, and
I'm sure there's frustration that he would, if you asked him,

(01:11:45):
would like to be thrown on a daily basis to
T Higgins and Jamar Chase, and he's not been able
to do that once in training camp with Jamar Chase.
T Higgins missed today, and I think all those things
they had together and creates frustration, visible frustration, which is
what he had today.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah, and that's okay. It's okay to report that. I
know you talked about this on your show, and you
spend some time on this in these reports yesterday with
Chad Brendel, how do you handle Jermaine Burton now? Because
they had him running with the guys who are not
going to make the team, playing against guys who are
not going to make the team, and it looked like

(01:12:21):
the varsity versus the freshman. So very good NFL debut
for Jermaine Burton. We all know physically what he can do.
We all know also how loaded that wide receiver room is.
What do you do with him next?

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
I think you give him more opportunities, I would venture
to say, if I'm looking at it. And Joe Burrow
after the preseason game said very good things about Jermaine Burton,
but also said he's just got to get into his playbook.
That to me says that he's just not there mentally yet.
There's no questions physically. You saw what he could do
when the ball was in the air. You see the
plays he made in one on one coverage. I just

(01:12:57):
don't know if they can trust him right now to
go out up there and run a complex route tree
or line them up in the slot and say, hey,
read what the defense is doing and make your adjustments. Accordingly,
it's more line up and run this route, which still
has value, but I don't think it has value early
on in the season. Whereas, again we talked about Yoshiva,
he's been in the system for a year. We've talked

(01:13:18):
about Trent Irwin in the consistency that he's provided. That is,
assuming you have Jamar Chase and t Higgins in week one,
that is more valuable in wide receiver number three in
knowing that they know protections, they know when to adjust
their routes, and they're not going to make mental errors
even if they're sealing as a receiver isn't as high
as maybe Jermaine Burtons is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
NFL teams don't do what college teams do and rotate
offensive lineman. So you and I haven't had a chance
to talk about a Marius Mims yet. Let's say that
what he is dealing with is okay, but he still
misses Let's say the first two games, and let's say
in those first two games, Trent Brown plays to the
level that you signed him to play, which is not

(01:13:58):
great but good enough. What do you then do this
season with the Marius Mims I.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
Think it still affords you the chance to bring him
on slowly. The biggest concern with memes from an offensive
line standpoint, Moh, you got to think about every time
a defensive line is rushing at him, a defensive player,
he's using that punch and that pet to stunt the
speed of the defensive lineman or to stop the twist game.
So first he needs to let it heal completely. And

(01:14:26):
then I would assume, and again I'm not a doctor
or a trainer, but I would assume that in doing so,
he's not going to be able to lift upper body
wise to the extent he wants to for the next
couple of weeks. So how long does it take to
get the physical strength back? And then as only knock
with game reps, he was going to have unbelievable opportunities
the next two weeks with these joint practices to go
ones versus ones against other teams and continuing to learn

(01:14:49):
and get those valuable reps. Now that he misses those,
when he comes back, it's more scout teamwork. It's less
ones the ones. You might need a little bit more
time to ramp him back up than what you would
have had if he continued the trajectory he was on,
which was an unbelievable one through the start of training camp.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
All right, well, chat again, coming up at five forty
five tone, Thanks so much.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Hi Mo.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Tony Pike with Bengals training camp reports he is broadcasting
tomorrow since he three to sixty from the Cincinnati Open
and right now we have Brendaman and Jones on.

Speaker 6 (01:15:20):
Baseball Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 10 (01:15:26):
Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center. Nearly sixty percent
of Americans waiting on an organ transplant are from multicultural communities.
Give the Gift of Life. Sign up today to be
an organ donor. You're looking at an hour slowdown due
to an accident that's blocking two right lanes on southbound
two seventy five between Milford Parkway and Eastgate and stop
and go traffic has a fifteen minute slowdown on southbound

(01:15:49):
seventy five between Glendale Milford Road and Paddock Road. And
there's a ten minute delay on northbound seventy one at
Norwood Lateral. I'm Nicole with traffic.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
This report is sponsored by USPS Ground Advance fifteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
All right, Oh, oh, guess what day it is?

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Guess what day it is?

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Day it is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
It is not Taco Tuesday at my house because tomorrow
is the first day of school. My daughter starts second
grade tomorrow. Now, it is an entirely different issue. The
fact that schools are now starting in early to mid August.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
That is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
The earliest I ever started school was my senior year
of high school at Scott August twenty ninth. I looked
it up. We're now starting school the middle of August.
This is insane and it's solely the work of adults
who NonStop go out of the way to screw up
things for kids. It is ridiculous to start school in

(01:16:53):
mid August. That said, it's not Taco Tuesday because we've
given my daughter the option and we're gonna go out,
We're gonna eat, and she chooses.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
I don't know what she has chosen.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
This is gonna be a surprise for me because I'm
here working, But I don't think it's Tacos.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
My daughter's not a big taco fan.

Speaker 7 (01:17:13):
Well do you think, Well, do you think she'll pick.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
I think we're gonna go out somewhere. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
She has talked a lot about going somewhere where she
hasn't been so I don't know, but we are going
out for the last night of It is absurd that
we're doing this on the night of August the thirteenth.
Schools should not The earliest school should start would be
like maybe August twenty eighth. This is ridiculous. I feel
awful for children these days. And by the way, I

(01:17:39):
know schools that have been under way for a while.
That is ridiculous. If you're a parent, if you're in
charge of a school district, and you've decided we're gonna
start on August tenth, or August seventh, or August fifth,
or hell, yes, I'll even say it August fourteenth, you
gotta be embarrassed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
I gotta be embarrassed. Anyway, enjoy the back to school kids.
Can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
And tomorrow morning we'll send the obligatory picture. You'll get it.
It'll be out there. You know, every parent has to
do it. I love these pictures. First day of whatever,
great tomorrow be me, my wife, my daughter, first day
of second grade. The picture should be taken sometime around
the first week of September, not in mid August. Anyway,

(01:18:23):
it's five o'clock happy hour. Thanks to a Michelobulture tern
you have something to say, No, I'd say, I agree, yeah,
mid August?

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
What are we doing? And for me it was worse.

Speaker 7 (01:18:31):
My birthday is always around August, so I had to
start school around my birthday.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
The earliest I ever started school was August twenty ninth.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Mikeelobultra five o'clock Happy Hours, a service of michelob Ultra.
If you're a Bengals fan, you might need mic culture.
There's a lot happening right now. By the way, can
you get off my guy, Tony's back? He said, Joe
Burrow in the offense had a bad day at practice.
Do you want him to make up what he's not seeing?
Do you want him down there to report on what
he sees from the standpoint of having a pretty damn

(01:19:05):
informed opinion, from the standpoint of a guy who played
pretty high level football and has been doing this for
a while.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Do you want him to lie?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Do you want us to like treat the Bengals like
where I don't know, North Korea or Russia or.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Something where we just lie? Do you want no? This
isn't cable news, so.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Get off Tony's back on social media on top of
practice today, we'll go back to Tony. There's a lot
to talk about. Let's begin with the Jamar Chase news.
Jamar Chase has not practiced all along, and Zach Taylor
has insisted all part of the plan. Well, today, Jamar
Chase did not practice. But not only did he not practice,

(01:19:45):
he was nowhere to be seen. He was not at
the facility, he was not at the stadium, he was
not in meetings.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
He wasn't working out on the side. Nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I don't know what this means. I don't think any
of us really knows what this means. Zach Taylor talked
about it briefly. It was interesting. The first person that
I saw report this, It doesn't mean they were The
first was Charlie Clifford from Channel five, who said on Twitter, well,
Zach's gonna issue a statement about Jamar Chase. And then
I guess and we stole this audio from Joe Danaman,

(01:20:16):
the TV flagship guy for Fox nineteen to the Bengals.
Here's Joe Daneman. His is his audio, his video. Here's
Zach kind of talking about who wasn't at practice today?
You're gonna hear him talk more about more people than
Jamar Chase. So we're gonna get to all these folks
in a second. But here's that audio. Go ahead and
play it.

Speaker 8 (01:20:35):
Yep, quick update Jamar day to day. We'll take it
one day at a time. I don't have any comment
beyond that, DJ Hill out a baby, he'll be back
tonight and Jake Browning has rib issue and he'll miss
some time with that. Troy Walter Scott punch for an audience.

Speaker 7 (01:20:50):
Okay, so I appreciated you about Brad Robbins.

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
Not yet, not yet. That happened at the beginning of practice,
so we'll find out more from mission off tonight night.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
So Brad Robbins came on off the field once practice
started with a trainer. BJ Hill's absence explained, good for
him and his family. Hopefully everybody's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
The Jake Browning news is not insignificant. He is QB
two dealing with a rib issue. He's going to miss
some time, and you heard him talk about Jamar Chase
being day to day. This could be anything. It could
Jamar Chase may may have a may have an illness,
you know. Zach Moss didn't play in the game on
Saturday because of illness. Maybe it's that Jamar is back

(01:21:28):
with the team tomorrow when they go to Chicago. Uh.
It is interesting that Zach didn't mention as being part
of the plan. This could be Jamar and the Bengals
are close to a deal getting done.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Okay, maybe and if so, awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
This could be Jamar having held into this point and
perhaps seeing no movement toward a deal, deciding I'm going
to take the next step and I'm just not going
to show up to anything, and I'm gonna make everybody
guess that. Tony and I have talked about this, and
I think he's right. Like tomorrow could be telling. If

(01:22:09):
if Jamar Chase is not on the plane, then you've
got to figure, Okay, well, he's not going to be
around Thursday when they practice in Chicago. There's no workout
on Friday, there's a game on Saturday. If he's not
going with the team the Chicago, chances are he's not
going to show up and show that soldier field on Friday,
and so then this goes into next week. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't think any of us knows.

(01:22:32):
I feel bad for Zach Taylor. He's He's the only
person with the Bengals that is almost required to address
this situation that he has, frankly, very little to do with.
Zach Taylor can't give Jamar Chase a new contract. Zach
Taylor would love it if Jamar Chase were to practice.
There's nothing he can really enforce. So I guess what

(01:22:54):
I kind of wonder, and I'm wondering, is Jamar Chase
making it known. Hey, Look, I've tried to get what
I want doing this. What I've done to this point
hasn't resulted in me getting what I want, And so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
We'll kick things up a notch and now I'm not
going to be around at all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
And you know what, if I'm not around at all,
then the next step is I'm willing to not play
against the Patriots, and then I'm willing to not play
against the Kansas City Chiefs. I said this maybe last
week or the week before. It's really the only question
that matters as it relates to Jamar using his availability.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Is he willing to miss regular season games?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
We are twenty six days away from the Patriots game,
and really, for me, is he willing to miss the
Kansas City game, which is in thirty three days, because
I if what he is doing is a tactic to

(01:24:00):
force the Bengals to get him his new deal and
put it in front of him and get him to
sign it, the track record of the organization would suggest
they're not going to be compelled to move because you
decided to miss some practices but still hung around the periphery.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
And they're probably not going.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
To be compelled to move just because you've chosen to
like go a wall. Could you force their hand by
threatening to miss games? Could you force their hand by
actually missing games? Let's face it, for us as fans,
that changes the conversation. Would you and I prefer that
he practice? Of course? Do you and I really want

(01:24:40):
him to play in the games that matter? Yes, that's
that's what we That's what we care about most.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Is he willing?

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
And is this what he and again, what he's doing
could be, could be health related, could be a personal issue,
could could be a negotiating tactic. Could be, Hey, he
and the Bengals are close, and you know what, let's
just let's just let's separate for a while and keep
Jamar away while we while we put together the big
It could be anything, it could be legitimately anything, but

(01:25:10):
it does a company a hold in. And when something
like this the company is a hold in, you can't help.
But wonder, is this the next step in the standoff,
if you will, between Jamar and the Bengals, And will
it results in the Bengals being compelled to act and
pay him, or put a blank contract in front of him,

(01:25:32):
or run to the negotiating table. And does this give
you any sort of belief that, you know what, maybe
he's actually willing to miss Gaines And I keep harping
on this because I think it's the most important thing
as things stand right now. There's no new contract, there's

(01:25:58):
no deal beyond two twenty five. Me personally, I can't
really blame either side if the Bengals hold their position.
Is Jamar willing to set out games and not get
paid for them, by the way, which is an important component.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
In an effort to get the Bengals to act.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Conversely, does Bengals management view this as something that's just
not worth everybody going through. I've been a fan of
this team for almost forty years. I've observed them through
the lens of a frustrated fan fan who has been

(01:26:44):
on board with whatever it is the Bengals are doing.
I've watched them in a lot of negotiations. I've watched
players hold out and miss football games. I don't know
what the Bengals would do if Jamar decided to football games,
But I've never seen the Bengals decide, you know what,

(01:27:06):
let's put an end to this and give the player
what he wants so we can end hold out or
the controversy or the whatever it is. I maybe I'm wrong,
and I have seen it, and at the top of
my head, I can't think of an instance where things
have been different. But like legitimately, if question number one
is is Jamar willing to miss games? Question number two

(01:27:28):
is are the Bengals ever going to get to a
point Bengals management ever gonna get to a point where
they go this is stupid? Fine, Fine, we want this
to go away. We want this to go away as
a talking point. We don't want to ask our coach
to answer questions about this anymore. We want this as
a thing to go away. So you know what, Jamar,
here's the contract, Go ahead and put your name on it.

(01:27:51):
I don't know But those are the two questions right
now that I have. I think it's fair to wonder,
what does it mean if Jamar doesn't go to Chicago?
What does it mean if Jamar is not around the
team at all over the next four or five days.
What does it mean if we're sitting here a week
from now and suddenly the preseason is about to end,
the last preseason game is a week from Thursday, and

(01:28:12):
Jamar is still a wall. What happens if the preseason
comes and goes, the joint practices come and go, and
now we're in that weird sort of elongated stretch between
the end of the preseason and the start of the
season and Jamar is still a wall.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Like unfortunately, the unknowns outweigh the nones. What I could
tell you is one, if Jamar is willing to miss games,
it changes the conversation. And two, if the Bengals really
want this to go away, well there's probably a way
that that can happen, and that's give the dude his contract.

(01:28:48):
Nothing about how the Bengals have been run for my
entire life and well before I was born, would suggest
that they're just going to go ahead and give Jamar
what he wants because he's using a certain negotiating tactic.
They've always been a franchise, right or wrong, that's willing
to dig in, willing to take the criticism from outside
that comes with it, willing to be made fun of,

(01:29:09):
willing to be lampooned.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
And they're getting some of that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
But the whole thing, I will admit, has taken on
enough of a life that it is a thing that
sort of runs counter to what this training camp is
supposed to be about, which is the urgency for a

(01:29:38):
season where the Bengals have a chance to win a title.
It's just this training camp is supposed to be from
almost a single minded standpoint, focused on what do we
need to do to be ready to go week once
we can go win a championship this year. By the way,

(01:30:01):
Jamar Chase could still be a part of that. If
the Bengals win a championship in twenty twenty four, Jamar Chase.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Will be a part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
But as storylines go, and his narratives go, and his
themes go, and as as just the overall vibe around
this team goes, this today took a little bit of
a weird turn. I think that's the best way to
put it. It just took a little bit of a

(01:30:30):
weird turn, and Zach Taylor's caught in the middle. And
as much as he has insisted for a while the
Jamar's absences from the practice field are a part of
the plan, the verbiage was a little bit different today.

(01:30:51):
This doesn't feel like a part of the plan. And
the head coach saying all along this is a part
of the plan, would say, just the coach is understanding
of what Jamar is doing Today didn't quite come off
that way. And again, day to day, it might mean
guy walk up with a Tommy yak, doesn't feel very good,
ain't coming to work. Couldn't mean he's got an issue

(01:31:13):
in his life that he needed today to go deal
with and it wasn't Zach's place to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
Couldn't mean the deals close to getting done.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
I have no idea, but it has sort of taken
on a life of its own.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Five point three fifteen thirty. There is a lot there.

Speaker 7 (01:31:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
The last two days have been chock full of stuff.
Marius Mims hurt. We'll spend a few minutes on that.
Jake Browning also is going to miss time with a
rib issue, and uh boy, you know a year ago
at this time we're wondering is Jake Browning the guy
to back up Joe Burrow? And now we feel like
he is, And now the question becomes, is Jake Browning

(01:31:50):
going to be healthy enough to be the guy to
back up Joe Burrow?

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Game one?

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Lots going on you and I between now and five
point forty five, when Tony Pike checks in one more time.
I had a whole list of other stuff to get
to today that I'm not sure is gonna fit. We'll
maybe touch on some of that stuff tomorrow. It's twenty
one after five o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
If you are there up in Mason or in Mason,
you shouldn't say up in Mason. If you are there
in Mason at the event, you'll be able to find
Tony at the Western Southern. There's a little like booth.
I think that's the best way to put it. It's
right off the food court. And so go say hi
to Tony tomorrow and say hi to me on Thursday
from three to six, and feel free to bring me

(01:32:37):
well some skyline cheese Cony's or a refreshing cold beer
or some ice cream.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
Feel free shower me with gifts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
And then Friday, we're doing our show from the Holy Grail,
so we hope to see you there. For that, we
got poll questions thanks to our friends that United Heartland Insurance.
Whatever your insurance needs are, United Heartland Insurance can help,
go to UHNS dot com. Estion's one, do you believe
Jamar Chase is willing to miss Bengals regular season games?

(01:33:05):
The very early voting and I literally just posted these
the very early voting, most of you say, no, do
you trust Trent Brown to play effectively if he is
the Bengals starting right tackle? And the very early voting
reveals that most of you think the answer is yes.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Look back in March, back when they signed Trent Brown.
This is before they took a Marius Mims. All of
us were like, yeah, okay, cool, fine, he could be
Jonah Williams okay. And then the last one, is it
patently absurd for the school year to begin in mid August?
And honestly, if you're voting no, what do you what?

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Do you have?

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
A soul?

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
You have a purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
All right, Uh, terror, do you want me to get
back on time? Here and ask the folks waiting patiently
to hang on longer? Do you want me to take
a phone call?

Speaker 7 (01:33:52):
Take a phone call?

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
All right, we'll take a phone call. Uh, John and Finley,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
Hey, No, just I was.

Speaker 11 (01:34:02):
Laughing at your starting a school and yeah it is early,
but you kind of you're starting that. You sound a
little bit like get off by lawng guy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
If I was get off my long guy, I would
be in favor of kids going to school twelve months
out of the year. I heart, My heart rests with
the kids. I am a kid at heart. I want
the kids to have a summer. Summer really doesn't kick
in the gear until mid June. They've been gone for
a while. We're putting them back in school when it's
still going to be eighty nine degrees out.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
That's ridiculous. I'm on the side of the kids.

Speaker 11 (01:34:37):
Well, the thing is, they go to school, they go
to school a certain number of days.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
Of a year.

Speaker 11 (01:34:43):
So my cat that you'll have a longer Thanksgiving break,
Christmas break, Spring break, and plus I think you'll probably
get out sooner. So just remember this that when you
go early, that you go the same number of days. Yeah,
it really doesn't matter when you start.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
As as somebody who has the fondest of memories of
being a child during summertime, the best times are when
you're outside and it's hot, not when you're outside and
it's seventy one degrees. Okay, I love the month of May.
It's beautiful outside. Summertime isn't mid May, it's mid August.

(01:35:22):
Yet we're putting kids in school and it's stupid.

Speaker 11 (01:35:26):
No one ever complains about getting out of school earlier
in May, though.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
No, but I mean like it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
But again, but again, as somebody who went to school
in late August early September for thirteen years of public school,
for school to start on August the fourteenth is ridiculous
and I'm not going to change my mind.

Speaker 11 (01:35:49):
Yeah. The other thing to consider too is I don't
know what what school your daughter goes to, but most
most schools these days have air conditioning. So I think
one of the reasons that school is always pushed back
further is because a lot of the especially older schools,
didn't have air conditioning. It was I mean, it was
ridiculous to send them in a in a oven like that.

(01:36:11):
I think most of the schools nowadays have air conditions.
I think that's that's off the table, at least, at
least from the school standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
My daughters, my daughters, my daughter's school has air conditioning. Right,
that's fine. I grew up with schools that had air conditioning.
What's not fun is staring outside when it's sunny and
hot out and you're in a school classroom listening to
some teacher when you know you should be outside playing

(01:36:39):
and being a kid, and instead school administrators have you
in a classroom in the middle of August.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
We can't wait two weeks? What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
John?

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Well, that's say.

Speaker 11 (01:36:51):
I bet that same kid would be in on January fifteenth,
when there's snow outside. They're probably looking out the window
on the plate when the snowmen together.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Yeah, but I mean, being a kid ain't about being
outside in January. It's about being outside in the summertime.
And it's still summertime. Like I hear people now say
when it's August first, like summer's over. No, we've chosen
to make it over in mid August because we have
kids going to school in mid August. August, first, you
should be saying it's the last month of summer, not
it's the last two weeks of summer. But again, idiotic

(01:37:23):
school administrators in this part of the country have decided
kids have to go to school in the middle of August.
And kids, I just want you to know I'm on
your side. I'm opposed to it.

Speaker 11 (01:37:34):
Yes, some of the schools around where I live don't
go back until after Labor Day.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Good, that's how it should be. That's how it should be.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Schools should not start until after Labor Day and they
should end right around or perhaps right after Memorial Day.
We did it this way for hundreds of years. We've
decided to screw it up, and now my kids got
to go to school tomorrow and neither one of us
like it.

Speaker 11 (01:37:59):
Well, good luck with the school picture.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Hey.

Speaker 11 (01:38:01):
One comment on Jamar Chief. Yes, I mean one thing
that the Bengals and and Chase may want to keep
in mind that there there's one team that they could
you could kind of look at a modern team that's
kind of done the same thing, and that's the Chiefs
with Tyreek Hill. I mean, the Bengals may say Hey,
we can probably get a whole lot out of this guy.

(01:38:24):
If this is the game he wants to play. Dig
their heels then, and I mean, they've got you've got
the quarterback, which as we know now is a heck
of a lot more important than the receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
There's validity too that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
I guess what I would say though, is if you decide,
you know what, we're gonna trade Jamar Chase, I would say, well, well,
then why did you do what you did with T Higgins?
Then what was the point because they they went through
the entire t Higgins thing when and I had no
issue with the Bengals with how the Bengals and anal
T Higgins you did the whole T Higgins thing with

(01:38:58):
us sort of operating under thessie up. They weren't signing
Tea so they could sign Jamar and then you trade Jamar.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Well what happens with T Higgins?

Speaker 7 (01:39:06):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
You're gonna let him walk in a year or do
you hope you could you know, you get a franchise
tag him again? I mean, like like to me, those
two things are are interconnected in.

Speaker 11 (01:39:18):
Along the same case with the kind of the Chiefs model.
Maybe it isn't so much having top flight wide receiver.
You can get away with having. I mean, obviously there's
so many teams down that run spread offenses. There are
a boat load of quality receivers that come out of
college every year. You can probably get away with that

(01:39:40):
going on the Chief on the receiver side, as long
as you have your quarterback and you haven't protected.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
There's validity to that now.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
I mean it's it's not like the Chiefs have ignored
wide receiver. I mean they've taken They've taken a wide
receiver in each of the first two rounds or in
the in within the first two rounds in each of
the last three years. So it's not like they haven't
prioritized that position. They just chose not to take. They
just chose not to pay Tyreek Hill and got a
boat load in exchange for them they have. I think

(01:40:09):
if you look at what they've tried to find, cheap talent,
it wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
The Bengals not so much.

Speaker 11 (01:40:15):
I mean it's well, it's kind of flipping the draft
thing with the teams used to well, we'll draft the
quarterback young and go on the cheap one the quarterback
and pay everyone else well, the Chiefs kind of flipped
and say, Okay, we'll keep our quarterback, we'll pay him
a lot, but we'll go on the cheap with our
receivers because receivers can be plentiful, and if we draft

(01:40:37):
them and have them for two or three years until
they get expensive, we might go that route.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Yeah, And I think if you just watch college football
looking how the draft is unfolded the last couple of years,
I think there's some validity to that, and I think
that's why T Higgins isn't being resigned.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
But I find it hard to believe.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
That after back to back years where they go, you
know what, we're gonna go heavy on wide receiver. We're
gonna take Higgins with the first pick of the second round,
and that we're going to ignore, not ignore, but we're
going to bypass the ability to take a potentially generational
offensive lineman for the sake of taking a wide receiver
because that's what we want the identity of our team

(01:41:15):
to be. And with it having worked, I just I
find it hard to believe that they're going to totally
go back to the drawing board at wide receiver. But
I guess until Jamar signs his contract extension. The conversation
is on the table. John, I enjoyed it, man, Thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:41:32):
Thank you, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Good luck tomorrow, Thank you very much. First day of
school mid August. Stupid sports headlines Next ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
Get it on in the Windy City. Cobridge begins Saturday
morning at nine on ESPN fifteen thirty, The official home
of the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
We are insanely short on time. Sports headlines and service
of Kelsey Chevrolet, home of lifetime powertrain protection and a
guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours for life,
Kelsey chev dot com. Bengals practice today. Jake Browning didn't
rib issue. Brad Robinson taken off the field with the trainer.
Jamar Chase nowhere to be seen. Bengals off to Chicago tomorrow.

(01:42:12):
They practice with the Bears on Thursday. They play the
Bears in a game on Saturday, live on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Reds and Cardinals tonight at GABP Hunter Green Eric Fetti
six p forty this evening. Hopefully red starting lineup is
made well it comes your way thanks to Madewell Restoration.
Go to Madewell Restoration dot com India, Da La Cruz, Stevenson,

(01:42:32):
Fried ol Steer, Candelario, France's Dhing Freiley and Espinal Red's
looking for a third consecutive victory. Florence taking on Windy City.
We do not talk about politics on this show. This
is one of those safe havens, and trust me, you
will need it. You probably already needed it, you will
need it in the coming weeks and months. We do

(01:42:55):
not talk politics. No politician has ever appeared on this show,
nor will they ever appear on this show. That said,
anyone running for any office who runs with the platform
including school not starting until right before or after Labor Day,
gets my vote.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
I don't care what party.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Very simple, you want the official endorsement of this show
run on that platform. School doesn't start October or October
August fourteenth. Thank you, Mike, I have like forty five seconds.
My apologies for squeezing you out. We've been busy. What's
on your mind?

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
Cool thing?

Speaker 12 (01:43:36):
I started kindergarten in fifty six and at Mount Washington Elementary,
and there weren't a stitch to air conditioning to be
seen anywhere. And we never started before the weekend after
Labor Day and.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
That went all the way through.

Speaker 12 (01:43:50):
I went to Dakota High School and the later in
the middle sixties.

Speaker 7 (01:43:54):
So I'm with you one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
You're a smart man. You're a good man. Mike.

Speaker 12 (01:44:00):
In California, these kids for thirty years have been going.
They go year round. They get a couple of weeks off,
a month off there. Uh, that's the system they've adopted
out there. Okay, back to sports.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Uh with this him?

Speaker 12 (01:44:16):
Okay, really quick, well on on, yeah, very quick with you.
The guys, the guys have stud m but his his
whiff and as kickout. He's not going to beat Chris
Saale out unless Chrysale goes into the tank and to
reach the ball over in the other wid will probably

(01:44:36):
win it. Lets Barnes tears it up.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Yeah, sales, sales the front runner odds on favorite. But
you know my point is you cannot you cannot vote
on the award without vetting the other candidates. And there
are others hundred greens one of those candidates, and to me,
that's that's a major win for him and the rats.

Speaker 12 (01:44:55):
He's seventh in the alright, the guys have started there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
No question he's been fantastic.

Speaker 12 (01:45:00):
You got to go on about eight seconds. Yeah, I'm
starting to think maybe we should have taken Maybe, if
Jamar is gonna start pulling this crap, maybe we should
have went with Tenna Seoul and then we'd have a
solid right tackle for years to come. Thanks Moll.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
All right, Mike will address that tomorrow. Tony Pike with
me next.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
It's just a training camp report. Brook to you by Skylight.
Julie feeling good. It's Skyline time on ESPN fifteen thirty,
the official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Yes, one more check in with Tony Pike at Bengals
training camp. Angles with the workout today. No Jamar Chase today,
no Jake Browning, Brand Robbins left early.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Bengals are off to Chicago tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
They practiced with the Bears on Thursday, Tony, lots of
moving parts. Let's start with the recap of those who
did practice.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
What stood out today?

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
The defense was dominant today. They were dominant physically and
I thought mentally as well. It felt like two different
contrast and styles because every play the defense made you
heard about it on the sideline from the defense, and
for the first time in camp, the offense really didn't
have an answer. It's been a lot of good back
and forth. I think the offense has won most days,

(01:46:18):
but yesterday the defense won. Today the defense won, and
they let the offense know about it. I thought the
defense's intensity was much higher. There were multiple plays where
the starting defense would have registered sacks on Joe Burrow
if it were a game situation. Joe Batchie came up
with an interception. Josh Newton continued to make some good plays.

(01:46:38):
I thought Dax Hill has progressed really nicely since Saturday. Offensively,
it was slow. It was frustrating for Joe Burrow. There
were pre snap penalties, there were pre snap alignment mistakes.
That has not been the case at all through training
camp to this point. But install you're adding more every
single day, and I think that hit a little bit

(01:47:00):
of a boiling point today and there was significant frustration
in what the offense was doing or or not able
to do on the field today.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
All right, let's talk about some of the headlines of
the day. Let's begin with Jamar Chase. Now, Jamar Chase
was nowhere to be seen today. That's not the same
as him being at practice but not practicing. Zach Taylor
came over and chatted with reporters and said that Jamar
is day to day. I know I'm asking you to
speculate instead of observe, but but what do you make

(01:47:32):
of just how things played out today as it relates
to Jamar Chase.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
I see it as one of two things that can happen.
And you know you mentioned the quote from Zach Taylor.
It's day to day. We're taking it one day at
a time.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
The message we've been given the whole time is what
it's not day to day. There's always been a plan
in place from from day one of Jamar Chase not practicing.
What we've heard from Zach Taylor, there is a plan
in place for Jamar Chase today. It's day to day,
which means if I'm taking day to day, I don't
know what tomorrow is. That's what I took Zach Taylor's

(01:48:08):
comments for. So if you're asking to speculate, I would
speculate one of two things. One would be that you know,
Zach Moss didn't play on Saturday, he had an illness.
Maybe there's a bug going on around the team. Jamar
Chase isn't just feeling one hundred percent and he's not
out there. The second speculation would be the one to
concern yourself with as a Bengals fan, which would be

(01:48:29):
the conversation between the Jamar Chase camp and the Bengals
camp has not gone the way that the Chase camp wants,
and the next piece of action from the Chase camp
would be, let's just not show up and see if
that changes anything. I would speculate if if we don't
see Jamar Chase get on that plane tomorrow and go

(01:48:50):
to Chicago, I would be concerned about the latter and
again not getting into the regular season. But Jamar Chase
saying Okay, I've tried to be amicable in this process.
Nothing's getting done. Let me step away from the team
and see if that changes anything, that would be my concern.
That was also why it was so weird in the
middle of practice for the Bengals communication department to say,

(01:49:13):
Joe is going to give or I'm sorry, Zaka is
going to give an update on Jamar after practice. There
hasn't been updates. It's been day to day. It's been
a plan in place that changed today, and I think
that's a little peculiar.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Yeah, no, it's definitely weird. The other headline today, Jake
Browning is going to miss some time. He is dealing
with a rib issue, which means, I guess Logan Woodside
at least temporarily slides up the depth chart. Logan Woodside
has bounced around the NFL and frankly lasted longer than
I would have imagined. He is actually more experienced in
the NFL than Jake Browning was when he became the

(01:49:44):
Bengals backup quarterback last year. But please God tell me
if something were going to happen to Joe Burrow, Logan
Woodside's not going to be the answer week.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
One that would you would certainly help so and that's
not what it is for Logan would that's just what
this team miss. Teams expecting to win super Bowls.

Speaker 9 (01:50:02):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
It was a very quick update. It was simply, it's
a rib issue. He's gonna miss some time. What sometime is,
we don't have the luxury of knowing. But he played
on Saturday. I would think most people watching him Saturday
would say he wasn't sharp. I don't think he was
very sharp in yesterday's practice, and today he's out there
not practicing, so obviously something to watch for because we

(01:50:26):
know the important role that Jake Browning played for this
team last year.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
Damn straight, Tony. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Back at it with Tony tomorrow three forty five, four
forty five, and five forty five.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
Paul Dayner Junior and I will have a lot to
talk about tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
By the way, I was on his podcast today and
we talked about it. Marius Men's, Trent brown and more.
Go get that where you get your podcasts, including YouTube.
You could you could watch my face as I talk.
Paul's here tomorrow three o'clock hour.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
We have to go.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Thank you for listening, have an awesome night. Thanks to
Tarren Bland for producing. We're back at it tomorrow at
three h five. Tony and Austin have since he three sixty.
At noon, Tony will be at the Cincinnati Open. Looking
forward to that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
CIA. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. This
report

All Episodes

8/13/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show

Episode Transcript

Mo Egger News

Popular Podcasts

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

Dateline NBC

24/7 News: The Latest

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}8/13/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show

Episode Transcript

Mo Egger News .css-1q01m3q{margin:0 0 -2px 0;}

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}On Purpose with Jay Shetty

Dateline NBC

24/7 News: The Latest

All Episodes